The Fallout From Av2., Truth, lies and love

Truman, Mar 15 2010, 07:48 AM

QUOTE (Linda @ Mar 15 2010, 06:34 AM)
I find this forum very refreshing and it's so good to hear everyone's opinion.

I saw Celine being very hostile and foul mouthed in the chat and anybody who asked questions was called a troll, had an agenda and/or was banned.

When I posted this on the forum, she said my post was one-sided and if anyone wanted to see the chat logs, to ask a mod.

I told her I had the logs and asked if she would like me to post them......she then tried to make light of it by saying who would want to see her acting crazy when she was obviously being baited!!

She is 2 faced by posting all this love act in the forum. I knew she had some serious problems.

As far as what happened to her, I found this post by Abraxasinus that could explain her behavior.

I will only put a few snips that I found quite alarming, you could read the rest of his post at the site.


What happened to Avalon forum.

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by Abraxasinus John Paul Anthony

Ok first up, I'd like to share with you what happened at Avalon, not from some conspiracy perspective, but from a rather human viewpoint.

A private 3-way skype conversation between Celine Dragaon, Mary Elizabeth and myself and upon invitation by Celine, crystallized certain psychosomatic issues within Celine and her relationships.

Being well aware of causes and mentality issues regarding this, I could, with Mary E's help help to process and resolve some of very deep issues in Celine's subconscious.

The nature of these issues was sexual and so sexual archetypes and symbols became nessecity to be used.

However the drummed up 'sexual harrassment' was akin a 'patient' of Sigmund Freud on a couch describing sexual fantasies and related self expressions with the psychotherapist, the nlatter then engaing and participating in the fantasies with words and say sexual poetry (see Song of Songs in the bible KJV).

Anyway, this episode 'changed' Celine from being anti-Thuban to becoming intrigued with it on a personal level.

The 'bigger plan' was also served however; as the explosion of the subconscious in Celine could in fact manifest particular archetypes and symbols.

Now I am not the only 'pundit' on symbols here; Ashera carries academic qualifications in Semiotiks - The Science of Symbols; and shehe can shed muchy light on the underpinning agtenda here.

Celine's 'change of heart' then resulted in infighting with her husband, who authorized Tango to ban Abraxas under the pretense of 'protecting' Mary Elizabeth from the sex cult of Thuban.

Tango's own 'perdition' followed in his 'split' from Mudra and then the 'misting' of Myplanet2 after confronting Celine at her own website added the fuels to the fires of Avalonian self destrruction.

On a more rational note, three old moderators joining 'Sexy Thuban' in Eleni, Jonah and Luminari; became untenable and the long touted 'Mission of Avalon' became the next 'raison de etre' to confiscate the group postings and the old Thuban thread.

The mission statement of Avalon was to spread the light and the love and to BRING PEOPLE OF VASTLY DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALITIES YET UNITED IN A COMMON SENSE OF PURPOSE TOGETHER.

And as the sexcult from Thuban was seen to actually accomplish this within an environment of mutual respect, harmony and a common vision for a new world; this 'nasty infiltrator' had to be stopped at all costs.
John Anthony Abraxinus

http://thuban.ning.com/forum/topics/what-h...to-avalon-forum


I've never read the Thuban thread on Avalon, and I don't want to bring the
controversy over here, but it does seem like they are preying on the
vulnerabilities of peoples weaknesses.
Sexuality is always a means to be exploited if a persons libido is at a low
ebb, or if it's enhanced, dependent upon circumstances.

There is a formidable case made on this very subject by Eve Lorgen which can be seen here : http://www.alienlovebite.com/articles/evel...-love-bite.html .
It is well worth the time and effort to read the various articles relating
to Alien/Human relationships and the extraction of sexual energy, which is probably the most potent force exhibited by humans.., even more so than anger!

Truman.

Topaz, Mar 15 2010, 08:11 AM

QUOTE (LadyofTheLake @ Mar 14 2010, 04:29 PM)
QUOTE (tacodog @ Mar 14 2010, 10:47 PM)
QUOTE (LadyofTheLake @ Mar 14 2010, 04:05 PM)
QUOTE (MP3 @ Mar 14 2010, 03:00 PM)
One thing that isn't broadly known, is that Some mods and any admins on av can stealth themselves. Don't assume Bill isn't around. He's watching this like a hawk, and sweating enough to require a new hat soon.

GaiaToy is stealthed all the time too. watching and acting, from a cloak of invisibility. (which does not extend to his energy imprint. lol)


i believe you--as i saw my account being accessed


I was wondering about that. I was not logged in and I saw that I was listed as if I was logged in. I thought there must have been a mistake or something, some kind of glitch.


For me, I saw red flags, BIG red flags. I contacted admin and never received any answer. To me it was saying that someone was in my account even though I myself could not access. Access NADA-- no user CP no friends, unable to post NADA=shut out.


When was that? For months the admin email was going into a black hole. I started getting reports from people at my Karen@projectavalon.net email that something was wrong and I told Gareth about them, Just one of my many frustrations as a mod there - it would take me months to get admin to fix anything. I don't know if they thought I was some stupid woman that didn't know what she was talking about or what. I know Gareth was taking care of the forum from his workplace and his time was limited, but it was just surreal, how I had to nag for months to get anything taken care of.

I was so glad when GaiaLove/Richard was finally an admin and could take care of things immediately or in a couple of days. I was devastated when this sexual harassment crap came down and threads and posts started being deleted by Richard. Celine would complain and things would disappear. When I became a moderator I insisted that we stop trying to clean up everything and leave people's posts and threads alone. We then basically required respectful posts. And any one banned happened for a good reason. It wasn't about what info you wanted to share or if you wanted to disagree - only if you could do it respectfully without attacking other people

Topaz, Mar 15 2010, 08:27 AM

QUOTE (tacodog @ Mar 14 2010, 03:47 PM)
QUOTE (LadyofTheLake @ Mar 14 2010, 04:05 PM)
QUOTE (MP3 @ Mar 14 2010, 03:00 PM)
One thing that isn't broadly known, is that Some mods and any admins on av can stealth themselves. Don't assume Bill isn't around. He's watching this like a hawk, and sweating enough to require a new hat soon.

GaiaToy is stealthed all the time too. watching and acting, from a cloak of invisibility. (which does not extend to his energy imprint. lol)


i believe you--as i saw my account being accessed


I was wondering about that. I was not logged in and I saw that I was listed as if I was logged in. I thought there must have been a mistake or something, some kind of glitch.


What does mods/admins being able to be in "invisible mode" on the forum have to do with people seeing themselves logged in when they weren't logged in? That's two separate things as far as I know.

I was in invisible mode near the end, because I wanted people to go to the other moderators for their issues like changing a subject line. Oh, I put Bill in invisible mode because we were trying to out some infiltrators. I went back a few hours ago and changed that. I don't know if Bill even knew he was invisible for a week or two.

The forum software has a little trick where the admins can set it to 1 hour or 4 hours or whatever after you log out, you still look logged in. I heard about this over at Astrovera - the reason would be so it looks like the forum is getting more traffic than it actually is.

I don't know what that setting was at PA. But that could be one explanation for it looking like peoples accounts were being accessed by someone else.

I never heard talk of info from anyone's PMs. I never saw any conspiracy planning over there. In fact, for the last half of the summer and the fall, I was mostly running the forum by myself with a little help from Anchor, Sara, Steve and Gareth. Bill and Kerry were not around the forum running anything for most of the time I was a moderator.

Jeeeezzzzz, we are just a few volunteers helping out from our home or work computers.

Many Blessings,
Karen

Truman, Mar 15 2010, 08:29 AM

Carol,
Thank you for your forthrightness and shedding the light that would have stopped the dark rumours long ago, if only the administrators had the balls to do so themselves. But the past is past and we have another chance
to start afresh here.., with hurtful honesty, boldness and downright
'in yer face' honesty. No hidden agenda's, no secrecy but rather the thing the 'dark ones' hate..openness!.
We can behave like adults and be respectful and build a good place to be,
a place to share information and strengthen ourselves against the hidden ones. If this place is successful, we will soon know. This forum will be attacked and the divide and conquer tactic used by personality division.
If that happens, then we will build another place, frig 'em!!
In the meantime, let's use this forum as a rallying point.
Thank you L, much appreciated.
Onward and upward!

Truman.

Anchor, Mar 15 2010, 09:26 AM

QUOTE (K626 @ Mar 14 2010, 08:23 PM)
Probably had to agree not to go on about things before let out.


That isn't true actually.

Celine told me Richard changed me back to a normal member.

Celine made the statement that she talked to me every morning. It is true that I have had quite a number of skype conversations with Celine over the recent evenings my time (morning hers) - maybe 3 or 4 usually initiated by her but in one case me when I asked if she knew why I had been misted.

I wasn't angry about being misted, in fact I couldn't stop laughing for the first few minutes. In fact MP2 told me I had been misted before I even logged in to see for myself.

I still don't know why it happened - had they just done the moderators who were in the Thuban group then that would have had some semblance of reason.

Anyway during my mist time I had some nice skype chats with people including Celine who I was trying to help.

Celine posted that I had chosen to see positives or something like that. Forums down so I can't find the quote

If that is her interpretation of my skype chats, then so be it. I'm actually quite a positive person, so perhaps it shows in skype if you talk to me long enough.

I don't have an axe to grind. I think everyone should do whatever they want in relation to joining other forums or AV2 or the Elders Of Thuban (which I joined yesterday).

"Truth is a pathless land".

AJ..

tacodog, Mar 15 2010, 09:27 AM

Karen:
It is great to see you here. Your logging in/out explanation makes a lot of sense.
I know you worked very hard at PA and I am sure there are many who know this and have a lot of respect for you. I know I do! I hope that now you can just relax (well deserved, I might add) and enjoy. I am looking forward to your posts!


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Anchor, Mar 15 2010, 09:28 AM

QUOTE (Reality=Check @ Mar 14 2010, 08:37 PM)
You can bet your XXX anyone that logs on to PC/A is on someone�s checklist. You can bet your XXX any email sent to Kerry or Bill is read, logged and IP checked before they even get it.

The wacky stuff will not bother them because they can deny it but there will be a day a whistle blower shows up with plans and chit. Hard core proof. They are the one's the PTB want to catch.



We are all.

In fact the ones that do not kowtow to the systems and follow along are probably on special lists. That would include all of us on this forum.

AJ..

Anchor, Mar 15 2010, 09:49 AM

QUOTE (Raven @ Mar 14 2010, 09:29 PM)
QUOTE (UncleJohn @ Mar 14 2010, 03:23 PM)
As far as the ability to read private PM's on Vbulletin software, I believe I was the first one the bring this up in the mod discussions.� Karen responded to me with an upper caps, spelled out, f u.� Sorry Karen, but you can just bet that those kind of responses are not going to be kept secret by me.

I'm still question this.� As far as I can see, an anonymous login can go to select a member's profile and at least see the private images that are being sent to them.� Try it for yourself and report back here.

Ok course, if those PM's are stored in the database without being encrypted then we should not be using this forum software.

I wonder what Gareth would say?� Perhaps I should post the latest Microsoft memo, for law enforcement eyes only, covering the mechanism to look inside of anyone's hard drive without them knowing it. Many years ago, I chatted with a former Microsoft official who quit because of this.� I doubt that would be too hard to hack.

Uncle John


Uncle John you are giving me nightmares about this is this a safe forum in that sense and if not can we assure folks that it will be fixed and secure? BTW glad to see you here I really appreciate your honesty and integrity John, thank you. Love and hugs, Raven


It is certainly possible to install software additions to vBulletin that can be used to read peoples personal emails. It was not done in my opinion.

It is a non trivial task.

I can tell you that in my time as moderator and admin with full back end access, no such module was ever seen to be installed. I often did full security reviews of the site. The security was pretty good. Part of my real life job is in IT security.

I realised the other day whilst in the mists thinking, that I own the vBulletin license that ran AV1. Funny eh? The person who helped keep Avalon on its feet in a Chaotic time with no help, almost gets banned from a forum for which he donated the license! That happened last June or so when they changed hosts because the license had expired and the original moderator (referenced by Carol in her post) was unwilling to part with the customer keys, for software he had paid for. vBulletins systems still think I own the software license - I have the software here, I know what it looks like - and there were no extra modules installed over and above the ones we added deliberately (chat, some caching etc). It was the only way we could legally get a secure version with the latest security fixes.

What happened after I stepped down as moderator - I cannot vouch for.

The only people who could do it are administrators.

The hosting company is in my judgement ethical and would not collude to allow such a module to be installed.

Finally if such a module/hack had been done - there would be no trace or evidence that the email had even been read. I found the testimony of Brook and Lionhawk as to their observations of "account" access on avalon today before it went down puzzling and I cannot explain it. It was reported to me by Lionhawk while I was still admin, but the logs that were easily accessible at the time had nothing odd in them, and the detailed ones are hard to work on and it ended up in my to-do list that never got done, as I stepped down as moderator because I was unhappy at the way Bill was starting to do things related to the Thuban material and I made the decision to quit ever since the kinsuemei2 debacle I had started to feel that it was going wrong. Anyway after I left the BAN got put in Thuban - and I think the musical version of MP2 has it bang to rights with his analysis.

Now I will say after all that, I do intend, if possible to join AV2. I don't see why it should not be right.

I do really like this forum. If it gets popular there may be some scaling issues - you'll start to see them if and when you hit 2000+users

So admins - start taking notes of the stats and plan ahead.

Anchor, Mar 15 2010, 10:11 AM

QUOTE (Misty @ Mar 15 2010, 12:39 AM)
QUOTE (anomalous cowherd @ Mar 14 2010, 07:05 PM)
hmmmm, the plot is indeed thick. I find it strange they didn't ban me ( swordsmith) especially after I asked for deleted /edited posts to be restored, and they were.
I always assume they read PMs and so say what the hell I like in em., especially about R and C.

Why is anchor so heavily promoting AV2? I don't trust that, sorry. Everyone likes him, he's too cold for me, dispassionate maybe but selling AV2 now and saying how frustrating it was not to be able to read his visitor messages, has he been cloned or gotten a taste for punishment?
I dunno and it has been mentioned to me Celine may be bi polar, so damn, I might just have to cut her some slack. I thought Richard was a fake day one.
Oh well, I do tend to have strong opinions.


I find Anchor cold and dispassionate too. He is too much of a fence sitter to me. He would not take a stand as he is too much a love and light person. I know he is very devoted to PA. But R & C are destroying PA, he has to see that. What is the point of clinging to something that is no longer what it is and be part of the toxic energy of R & C.

Sometimes in life you have to take a stand and stand up for you believe in. It is OK to call people out on their lies and BS and if I am wrong, I would apologize. Nothing wrong in that.

I tend to agree with MP3 that Anchor is promoting the vision of AV2. However, AV2 is just an empty shell to me, nothing like what its original purpose of the PA. The thing about spiritual leaders blah blah all that just smell rat to me.


Thats ok.

I did see that PA was being destroyed and I wanted no part in the process. I did not realise just how extreme that process would be.

MP3 didnt say I was promoting THE vision of AV2 :


QUOTE (mp3)
It looks to me Like Anchor is promoting the vision the new forum was modeled on rather than Samarkis' comments about it.



Almost - actually it was my vision I was promoting - somewhat arrogant, but as a freewill endowed non-moderator, I was not breaking any rules.

We dont actually know yet what it will be like - the probabilities are a spectrum from complete failure to a harmonious forum based on pure anarchy.

I am not into prejudging.

Truman, Mar 15 2010, 10:51 AM

QUOTE (Anchor @ Mar 15 2010, 09:49 AM)
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I do really like this forum. If it gets popular there may be some scaling issues - you'll start to see them if and when you hit 2000+users

So admins - start taking notes of the stats and plan ahead.


Unfortunately AJ, we won't have to wait for 2000 members. The smurfs were in right at the start. hello blue boys & gals! Are you going to change tactics or play the waiting game?
Ready when you are.

Truman.

k626, Mar 15 2010, 10:57 AM

QUOTE (Truman @ Mar 15 2010, 10:51 AM)
QUOTE (Anchor @ Mar 15 2010, 09:49 AM)
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I do really like this forum. If it gets popular there may be some scaling issues - you'll start to see them if and when you hit 2000+users

So admins - start taking notes of the stats and plan ahead.


Unfortunately AJ, we won't have to wait for 2000 members. The smurfs were in right at the start. hello blue boys & gals! Are you going to change tactics or play the waiting game?
Ready when you are.

Truman.





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Reality=Check, Mar 15 2010, 12:00 PM

Well fascinating read.

Thanks Carol for the history lesson. Good to know some of the background. The �NEVER� is intriguing and I wondered why his stuff was pulled. Thought I shouldn't ask and I couldn't be arsed to search

Karen and Anchor thanks for the gen. Always best to hear both sides of the story.

Was that really Celine fishing on here earlier on? I have seen the name Lost in the AV1 forum.



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mp3, Mar 15 2010, 12:41 PM

Hey. this place is now "Anchored" and has a "Heart of Gold". How good is this going to get?

Nice to see you two, and everyone else. And it's great to see some candid postings. Isn't this what we were yammering for over there? Tell us WTF is going on, so our minds can stop chattering on about it.

Reality-Check, Mar 15 2010, 01:06 PM

QUOTE (MP3 @ Mar 15 2010, 12:41 PM)
Hey. this place is now "Anchored" and has a "Heart of Gold". How good is this going to get?

Nice to see you two, and everyone else. And it's great to see some candid postings. Isn't this what we were yammering for over there? Tell us WTF is going on, so our minds can stop chattering on about it.


Thats about the bottom line of it but when you have paranoia and drama queens pulling strings. It�s a bit like Greek plumbing. Once it gets blocked up it gets blocked up all the way to Athens.


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mkspllmn, Mar 15 2010, 01:07 PM

QUOTE (mkspllmn @ Mar 15 2010, 05:06 AM)
QUOTE (Carol @ Mar 15 2010, 04:42 AM)
She publicly humiliated him on her forum after MaryLou had reported him to the FBI for being involved with 911 and posted about it. He wanted me to pull the thread and Kerry was insistent it stand. I suggested to Bill that she apologize since this was their witness which she flat out refused to do. Subsequently HD went after MaryLou as well complaining to Bill about her and wanting her removed as a mod.

Remember, Kerry recently did the same thing to Greer. He too was furious. One thing you have to say about Kerry is at least she is consistent.


I almost want to laugh.

Here is one of the most respected research teams on the internet and it seems that K wishes to disassociate herself with all those who helped in the success. Bill, HD and Greer are the ones I can think of off hand. Not Wilcock though (hehe). I am sure the other interviewees are looking side ways at the whole ordeal. It may make it harder to continue getting people to expose themselves worldwide if they think they may be ridiculed by the interviewer later on.

I have been very confused by this behavior. Especially since she is a child of Hollywood and should know better.

I dont mean to be condescending but there was a really good thing going there and it just seemed to self destruct. I dont know if there are any real answers to this but a discussion in the study of the behavior is most interesting.

Care to shed any light?


I am still wondering about K's appearant dismantling behavior.

This seems odd to me and I am asking if anyone could shed some lite on it.


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LadyofThaLake, Mar 15 2010, 01:39 PM

QUOTE (MP3 @ Mar 15 2010, 12:41 PM)
Hey. this place is now "Anchored" and has a "Heart of Gold". How good is this going to get?

Nice to see you two, and everyone else. And it's great to see some candid postings. Isn't this what we were yammering for over there? Tell us WTF is going on, so our minds can stop chattering on about it.


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This post has been edited by LadyofTheLake on Apr 2 2010, 02:13 AM


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enemyofNWO, Mar 15 2010, 02:01 PM

QUOTE (Carol @ Mar 15 2010, 04:42 AM)
She publicly humiliated HD on her forum after MaryLou had reported him to the FBI for being involved with 911 and posted about it. .
Again this is sensitive info and I would appreciate folks keeping it here in this forum.




Fancy reporting HD to the FBI ?
It is just like me going to the police to complain that I am followed by the spooks .
Carol are you at liberty to tell us why HD was humiliated by Kerry ?
Cheers

LadyofTheLake, Mar 15 2010, 02:04 PM

QUOTE (LadyofTheLake @ Mar 14 2010, 11:35 PM)
QUOTE (anomalous cowherd @ Mar 14 2010, 11:05 PM)
hmmmm, the plot is indeed thick. I find it strange they didn't ban me ( swordsmith) especially after I asked for deleted /edited posts to be restored, and they were.
I always assume they read PMs and so say what the hell I like in em., especially about R and C.

Why is anchor so heavily promoting AV2? I don't trust that, sorry. Everyone likes him, he's too cold for me, dispassionate maybe but selling AV2 now and saying how frustrating it was not to be able to read his visitor messages, has he been cloned or gotten a taste for punishment?
I dunno and it has been mentioned to me Celine may be bi polar, so damn, I might just have to cut her some slack. I thought Richard was a fake day one.
Oh well, I do tend to have strong opinions.


Key word here for me is cold~~~
these are exactly the words I used Cold and Freezing~~~


For the sake of clarity, I was not referring to anyone in particular as being cold--I was referring to my instincts regarding the PA forum in general. I knew something was amiss--I felt it, the atmosphere felt cold to me.

It is not my intent to direct harmful words towards anyone. Please Forgive me if it came out wrong


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Walk Tall and remember who you are.....
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Iysun777, Mar 15 2010, 02:55 PM

I've not read through everything on this thread but I agree with most about this new PA2 thing and the stange actions by Bill and the official 'mods' at avalon.

Ever since Bill Ryan started talking about his so called abduction experience I was sure he was a wolf in sheeps clothing. This last incident, as well as a few leading up to this, has now proved that to me without doubt.

I was just reading the Avalon home url and Bill mentions on that page that the new avalon2 is being created by the same people who do Wilcocks site. I've been saying Wilcock is a sell out paid dis info agent for years and so for me its another nail in the coffin for Bills credibility. The people who run Wilcocks site are some of the most free speech gagging people you could meet.

Yup Bills trying to create a sort of Cult Like zombie following just like Wilcock has... I guess good ole Bill has not found the truth after all.

And those two mods... Un-Gaia and Celine... Well their actions speak louder then my words could, and my words are not kind for them. Even though I love their souls.

metaw3, Mar 15 2010, 03:01 PM

QUOTE (Anchor @ Mar 15 2010, 09:49 AM)
there were no extra modules installed over and above the ones we added deliberately (chat, some caching

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"account" access on avalon today before it went down puzzling and I cannot explain it.


Maybe online stats are cached by your add-on and there is a flush bug.

Nice to see you here Anchor and Karen. Thank you Linda for the Abrax explanation.

Sexy Skype with admin's wives... LOL Nothing good can comme out of it on a community level. Now I understand the first post of Celine in the Thuban thread. This post had a different energy to it than her other posts and I couldn't understand why.

Things would be so easier to figure out if it was public who chat with who. That's why I keep my private communications to a minimum, possibly none at all, on online forums. And bear in mind this is just a forum. If you transpose this to presidents and diplomats, it's not hard to understand why we are stuck in a war pattern on Earth. Intrigues... That makes me puck. When I was young, my mother used to watch The Bold and the Beautiful religiously and she was just like a weird animal to me. I was observing her in front of the TV set, and I was trying to understand what was this show about and why my mother is watching this. That is how immune I am to intrigues and people who like them. I was vulnerable when I was young, but I built up defenses against these type of people. Rule #1: never argue with them. They want you mad and the only way they can get it is to argue with you and interfere in your affairs.

Jenny, Mar 15 2010, 03:10 PM

Hi Metaw3

-[Things would be so easier to figure out if it was public who chat with who. That's why I keep my private communications to a minimum, possibly none at all, on online forums.]-

It is like the unconscious of a forum.

Private and concealed convo's of forum members creates cliques..and it shows clearly out front.

If you don't keep an eye on that you are going to experience your own personal XXXX you dissociated from.

It is the main source of distrust and conflicts on a forum.
imho.


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Namaste, Mar 15 2010, 04:00 PM

Its Monday morning here for me. I tried to log into Avalon forum, but keep getting a blank screen with this page is unavailable, please try back later. I wonder if I have been pushed out, or the forum is now down. anyone else have trouble getting onto the forum?

Bobbie, Mar 15 2010, 04:16 PM

Nameste - I hadn't tried until you mentioned it. I got the same thing - "this page is unavailable - try later" or something to that. Don't know if it would have happened that way anyway or not or if it is because of the founding of this forum - again thank you very much Paul.

toothfairy, Mar 15 2010, 05:40 PM

QUOTE (Iysun777 @ Mar 15 2010, 02:55 PM)
I've not read through everything on this thread but I agree with most about this new PA2 thing and the stange actions by Bill and the official 'mods' at avalon.

Ever since Bill Ryan started talking about his so called abduction experience I was sure he was a wolf in sheeps clothing. This last incident, as well as a few leading up to this, has now proved that to me without doubt.

I was just reading the Avalon home url and Bill mentions on that page that the new avalon2 is being created by the same people who do Wilcocks site. I've been saying Wilcock is a sell out paid dis info agent for years and so for me its another nail in the coffin for Bills credibility. The people who run Wilcocks site are some of the most free speech gagging people you could meet.

Yup Bills trying to create a sort of Cult Like zombie following just like Wilcock has... I guess good ole Bill has not found the truth after all.

And those two mods... Un-Gaia and Celine... Well their actions speak louder then my words could, and my words are not kind for them. Even though I love their souls.


I think thats the Wilcock view that got me kicked off Avalon - glad I'm not alone. I started a thread to flush/name some more dis-info/agents/shills and it was too much for the Mods - of course Mr "my EGO is bigger than yours" wormed his way in with Kerry/Bill and PC so the Mods wouldn't allow any criticism - and of course my opinion didn't conform.

CosmicSuspect, Mar 15 2010, 05:40 PM

I am curious does anyone know who got the big invite up to avalon 2?