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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:57 pm

    k626, Mar 14 2010, 02:04 PM

    I'd like to hear what people really think is going on.

    Confused.

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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:59 pm

    asshat, Mar 14 2010, 02:11 PM

    you're seeing the culmination of a power play that's been going on behind the scenes for a long time.

    started with bill and kerry. they've been split for awhile. it just came to a head wtih the forum shutdown.

    gaialove and celine want to consolidate power with just a few mods who will do as they say - with bill's backing.

    anchor and the other mods sided with kerry.

    the thuban thing is bs...but it's a flashpoint. it brought all the issues to a head and in public.

    bill now has full control and has handed the reins to gaialove. it's a profit thing now. gaialove, celine and the remaining mods want to get paid. bill will remain behind the scenes with a minority interest.
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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:00 pm

    Adv, Mar 14 2010, 02:15 PM

    It's sad and amazing at the same time, what some will do in a fit of rage and ego. It's also amazing how much truth can not be suppressed and people's BS meters will start alarming, when they see something fishy going on.

    The worst one mistified was Anchor imo. That person was very balanced and even created that huge thread to bring people back together. That was their last chance to restore a sense of normalcy.

    Misting Anchor was like shooting themselves in the foot.

    As a long time lurker, I have a lot more observations about the whole situation.

    Will add as I go.

    I was also "banned" in Chat ( never signed up for the forum ) a few days ago for calling out Mrs-I-Love-you-even-though-it-sounds-bs.

    btw- Luminari and Eleni are already at lightwarrior.

    PS : I would have never wanted to join any forums/chat, I was happy lurking. But the BS pulled by the couple made me pretty mad that I'm signing up just to call out their BS.






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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:01 pm

    Gone Fishing, Mar 14 2010, 02:15 PM

    Yep. That situation is pretty bummed out. Oh well if they close it down this will do for now
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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:02 pm

    k626, Mar 14 2010, 02:16 PM

    How will AV2 unpack do you think?
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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:02 pm

    Misty, Mar 14 2010, 02:21 PM

    Anchor was out of the mist. I saw his avatar changed back to purple color. I really doubt Celine talk to Anchor every morning but what do I know.

    I just hope more people are waking up to see GaiaLove and Celine for what they are. Love is not just words. It is in what you do.

    I have been in the chat and I saw how Celine acted in there, totally different as in the forum. She and GaiaLove can keep saying I love you, I am not buying that crap from them.
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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:03 pm

    asshat, Mar 14 2010, 02:22 PM

    QUOTE (K626 @ Mar 14 2010, 02:16 PM)
    How will AV2 unpack do you think?


    av2 will be like a cult...but not really.

    they don't care who leaves p/a. they want a few super-loyal followers who will toe the line.

    they're setting the stage now...

    you need to decipher the euphanisms...


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    people will be interacting and helping with real time community projects of every scale,each according to their talents and resources



    euphemism to english translation: you will work or donate cash

    and this



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    There is also plans for an outreach program to educate & enlighten others with a panel of spiritual teachers......( of course still honoring free will choices )




    euphemism to english translation: we will use you to recruit more cult members - but not interested in people who can think for themselves

    they'll keep the people in line with demands for 'positivity'. if you step out of line you'll be accused of being 'unloving' or 'negative'. the weak minded will desparately want to be known as loving and positive.

    the sad thing is, it will work.

    they don't care who leaves. they need all the strong willed ppl gone. they only want the people they can control with the above.
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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:03 pm

    Adv, Mar 14 2010, 02:24 PM

    My guess would be they don't really know. If you read the answers thread, Gaia is talking in a lot of platitudes about love and freedom, without any clear thought around what it will be or providing any real answers ( as pointed out by others in the thread )

    At the end of the day, it's a game of numbers, if their elitist, conformist rules don't bring the numbers, they have to change their MO and start marketing.

    It will be Richard and Celine show for a while. That will be clear

    "I have balls of steel and I will do what ever needed .. damn it"

    " ooo ... but I love you all and nothing bad has happened and have I told you, I'm very emotional"


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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:07 pm

    mp3, Mar 14 2010, 02:42 PM

    It's really stupid for people to think they can hide their shenanigans. Who believes the cover up stories anymore? And the attempted distractions?
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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:08 pm

    k626, Mar 14 2010, 02:54 PM

    Intersting that Bill (the father love) has gone missing at such a crucuial time...


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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:09 pm

    Blacklight43, Mar 14 2010, 02:55 PM

    Thank you for this site. In my 20+ year search for truth, justice and freedom I thought I had found it at pc/pa but that seems to have been cut off at the knees.
    After the chaos started I distanced myself from the fray and just sat back and watched it unfold. Couldn't figure out how to become and un-member.
    Not that I had much to contribute since I am ever searching out new material to discern.
    If duality is indeed coming to an end it seems it is going out with a vengence.

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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:10 pm

    mp3, Mar 14 2010, 02:57 PM

    Per OP, What's going on, is Bill decided Abrax was bad news and wanted him gone. Nothing wrong with that. And he made him gone, with only a little behind the scenes pressures applied. Starting to get a little bit wrong. Then Kerry waltzed in and put her foot down. Ouch. Better go covert on this.

    Do it by proxy. Inspire a crusade to get the thing done, by what ever expedients are necessary, with minimal visibility. The ends justify the means.

    The less than bright dupe charges in, all inspired, with sword drawn, and sets up the "expedient". Next thing you know, mission accomplished. Abrax gone, and a plausible justification created out of whole cloth, but which is not easy to question. Wronger still.

    Then damage control. Getting really wrong now. How many wrongs does it take to make a right? Trick question. You can't get there from here.

    So you have to shut up anybody who knows anything, or who can't be made to follow the distractions put out. The timing was a little tricky. They figured the excitement over AV2 would overshadow the concerns over all the wrong, and permit the double dealing BS to fade from peoples minds. But the new and improved invite only on track with original intentions and visions cash cow, is not yet ready for launch. STALL. throw water on the fires as fast as they spring. "Try and put a muzzle on that woman of yours already, will you?"

    But it didn't work. What they did was orders of magnitude worse than anything Abrax may have had going on.

    Can anybody really still be so ignorant as to think these old and ghastly PTB style techniques still fly, in the face of increased awareness all around?

    Seems just a little on the naive side.

    MP3, with skin missing from the lips where the tape was yanked off. And thanks for the yanking. Now I can get back to my yanking. (chains, that is.)
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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:11 pm

    mp3, Mar 14 2010, 03:00 PM

    One thing that isn't broadly known, is that Some mods and any admins on av can stealth themselves. Don't assume Bill isn't around. He's watching this like a hawk, and sweating enough to require a new hat soon.

    GaiaToy is stealthed all the time too. watching and acting, from a cloak of invisibility. (which does not extend to his energy imprint. lol)
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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:12 pm

    Jonah, Mar 14 2010, 03:01 PM

    http://thuban.ning.com/forum/topics/what-h...e=msg_com_forum


    Hey all... so much love to all who are here ....and very special thanks to the ones responsible for this...hahaha wow... this is really special... there is some hope left... hahaaah

    Above link should answer some question as to how this all got started.... as for the questions about why it started... well your guess is as good as mine.. but... lets just say when I first found avalon it was about a week old... I wrote Bill asking if he thought it was such a good idea allowing all these people to essentially out themselves to the ptb.... he saw no reason to believe so..and i got the impression that it was no big deal.... it seems he is way over his head now...

    Anyway .... to new beginnings
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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:13 pm

    asshat, Mar 14 2010, 03:02 PM

    QUOTE
    So you have to shut up anybody who knows anything, or who can't be made to follow the distractions put out.



    this has been going on since p/a's inception. it became more prevalent the past months. (CONTROL is a hard thing to maintain.)

    i can say with 100% certainty...

    anyone who goes against what the inner circle believes or wants is silenced and made to disappear.

    also...

    ONE of the things the mods always claim is that they warn people before a ban. i can say with 100% certainty that this is rarely or never true.

    they quickly delete anything they don't like, and quickly ban the 'offending' member. most members don't see the drama and buy into the whole 'mods are protecting us' bs.
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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:14 pm

    k626, Mar 14 2010, 03:05 PM

    MP3 @ Mar 14 2010, 03:00 PM wrote:
    One thing that isn't broadly known, is that Some mods and any admins on av can stealth themselves. Don't assume Bill isn't around. He's watching this like a hawk, and sweating enough to require a new hat soon.

    GaiaToy is stealthed all the time too. watching and acting, from a cloak of invisibility. (which does not extend to his energy imprint. lol


    You crack me up MP!!


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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:15 pm

    asshat, Mar 14 2010, 03:05 PM

    MP3 @ Mar 14 2010, 03:00 PM wrote:
    One thing that isn't broadly known, is that Some mods and any admins on av can stealth themselves. Don't assume Bill isn't around. He's watching this like a hawk, and sweating enough to require a new hat soon.

    GaiaToy is stealthed all the time too. watching and acting, from a cloak of invisibility. (which does not extend to his energy imprint. lol




    YEP.
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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:17 pm

    Eleni, Mar 14 2010, 03:12 PM

    MP3 @ Mar 14 2010, 02:57 PM wrote:
    Per OP, What's going on, is Bill decided Abrax was bad news and wanted him gone. Nothing wrong with that. And he made him gone, with only a little behind the scenes pressures applied. Starting to get a little bit wrong. Then Kerry waltzed in and put her foot down. Ouch. Better go covert on this.

    Do it by proxy. Inspire a crusade to get the thing done, by what ever expedients are necessary, with minimal visibility. The ends justify the means.

    The less than bright dupe charges in, all inspired, with sword drawn, and sets up the "expedient". Next thing you know, mission accomplished. Abrax gone, and a plausible justification created out of whole cloth, but which is not easy to question. Wronger still.

    Then damage control. Getting really wrong now. How many wrongs does it take to make a right? Trick question. You can't get there from here.

    So you have to shut up anybody who knows anything, or who can't be made to follow the distractions put out. The timing was a little tricky. They figured the excitement over AV2 would overshadow the concerns over all the wrong, and permit the double dealing BS to fade from peoples minds. But the new and improved invite only on track with original intentions and visions cash cow, is not yet ready for launch. STALL. throw water on the fires as fast as they spring. "Try and put a muzzle on that woman of yours already, will you?"

    But it didn't work. What they did was orders of magnitude worse than anything Abrax may have had going on.

    Can anybody really still be so ignorant as to think these old and ghastly PTB style techniques still fly, in the face of increased awareness all around?

    Seems just a little on the naive side.

    MP3, with skin missing from the lips where the tape was yanked off. And thanks for the yanking. Now I can get back to my yanking. (chains, that is.)


    Yes, some of us mods started questioning this on mod biz and were booted off for questioning.
    The super mods had been privy to behind the scenes info.

    I wish I could get my profile off there.......argh.........
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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:17 pm

    Luminary, Mar 14 2010, 03:13 PM

    Wow- the mists of avalon

    Awesome!

    I dont sneak around on stealth btw but yes GaiaLove most likely does lol

    I know what you mean about the energy imprint.
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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:19 pm

    k626, Mar 14 2010, 03:16 PM

    Good to see you Eleni and Luminari.

    Peace.

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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:20 pm

    Luminari, Mar 14 2010, 03:18 PM

    I refuse to call them SUPER mods either E...

    "Pretenders" because they pretend they aren't destroying Avalon?

    OR

    "Posers"

    "traitor-mods" ??
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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:21 pm

    mp3, Mar 14 2010, 03:18 PM

    Juno. Re: "they quickly delete anything they don't like, and quickly ban the 'offending' member. most members don't see the drama and buy into the whole 'mods are protecting us' bs."

    Interesting comment. anybody else catch the cross flavouring of this over to the whole take over of the USA? The whole push on terror and you need us to protect you from all the evils out there waiting to pounce? I smell a familiar brand of gas there.
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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:22 pm

    ladyofthelake, Mar 14 2010, 03:19 PM

    >Now I have to acclimate to a whole new space~~

    I was silenced



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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:23 pm

    mp3, Mar 14 2010, 03:20 PM

    Hey, Luminari and Eleni. Nice to see you.
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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:24 pm

    asshat, Mar 14 2010, 03:22 PM

    MP3 @ Mar 14 2010, 03:18 PM wrote:
    Juno. Re: "they quickly delete anything they don't like, and quickly ban the 'offending' member. most members don't see the drama and buy into the whole 'mods are protecting us' bs."

    Interesting comment. anybody else catch the cross flavouring of this over to the whole take over of the USA? The whole push on terror and you need us to protect you from all the evils out there waiting to pounce? I smell a familiar brand of gas there.


    it's all about control.

    but i think it's more human nature than conspiracy.

    it only takes ONE wolf in sheeps clothing to destroy a flock.

    that's why the sheep need to grow teeth to protect themselves.

    remember this...the wolves don't want to eat the sheep...they want to control them. in the real world and at p/a.

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