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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:16 pm

    Gone Fishing, Mar 14 2010, 04:53 PM


    Its not so much the taking of sides that bothers me but the lack of fairness and the consolidation of power for there own ends. These are not ways to move forward.
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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:17 pm

    metaw3, Mar 14 2010, 04:59 PM wrote:

    QUOTE (Stargazer @ Mar 14 2010, 03:42 PM)
    Hey MP3...glad to "see" you.

    And All the rest

    So ...No one thinks this is deeper than standard ..."I screwed up...sweep under rug" scenario??

    The Thuban thing was IMHO other worldly....

    Comments?


    All I see is a guy and his wife in their living room, perverting the words 'positivity' and 'love' as political lingo to say who they don't like and inventing problems where there are none, in order to come up with solutions, gain more influence, and prove to Bill that they are much needed or else all would fall apart. Why? Because it feels great to be leaders of a large online community, even more if you already like web design and programming like GaiaLove does. The problem here is that he and his wife are not good leaders and the old problem reaction solution does not work with people like us quick to detect and feel lame political intrigues and power plays. We know what good leaders are and GaiaLove can solve all the imaginary problems that he wants, it's not enough to be a good leader among truth seekers.
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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:20 pm

    majorion, Mar 14 2010, 05:04 PM

    K626 @ Mar 14 2010, 07:52 PM wrote:
    Can people start starting threads already...



    Every time one of these 'major' forums start changing things, and many of their members are outraged by said 'change', a new forum is quickly established, perhaps more than one forum, where people congregate and the first thing they do is 'vent'... this process goes on for a lot longer than you're assuming right now... believe me!

    I don't know all the details about Avalon2.0 or what they are planning to change exactly, though some members here have some pretty strong opinions and they're not gonna hold back, this is understandable.

    Though what this place needs is a LOGO.
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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:25 pm

    UncleJohn, Mar 14 2010, 05:22 PM

    Hi fellow Mist'ers,

    The reason I came to the Avalon forum was to support the Project Camelot work. That still is my motivation and I don't want to bring a cloud over Project Camelot and whatever it may involve into, but I have to.

    I believe I'm the reason for all the good posters being tossed into the mists. I would generally not discuss what went on in the moderator only discussion groups, but there are higher responsibilities which override this.

    It all gets down to the charge of sexual harassment by GaiaLove. This was a lie.

    Let us go back to Sat., March 5th. In the morning there was some discussion about Abrax. Nothing wrong with that, although at this time my ability to read the mod only section of the forum was removed. How rude.

    All Sat. afternoon, I was the only mod showing online. Then about 5:30 California time, Abrax was banned and his or others threads were removed from view.

    Stunned, because there was no mod vote or decision about this, or at least not in the area's we had done these before.

    I asked, and the only answer I got was we can't talk about this because it is a legal issue. That's when I got hot and started challenging the rest of the mods.

    Next morning I googled "sexual harassment" and learned that it only applied to an employment setting. When I suggested to the rest of the mods to google sexual harassment themselves, the only response I got was a comment that there were lot of sexual predators on google. Excuse me!

    I email/PM'ed Bill and Gareth about this and the only response was Gareth said he would set up a meeting with me to discuss this situation and it never occurred.

    I just drove some of the mods crazy. I would not shut up. I considered myself to be a team member and when one of team members lie to me, things cannot continue as normal.

    As a moderator, I was there for the community, not the owners or the senior admin/mods. When honest posters asked honest questions about what was going on, I did the only thing I know how to do is tell the truth.

    I posted on the main forum that the sexual harassment charge was a lie. It was quickly edited out by some of the mods who I had previously trusted. Please note that this post was from publicly available information from google and GaiaLove's public post. I did not reveal any moderator discussions in public.

    My main concern and still is, is this lie. Who knew about it before the lie and did Gareth or Bill approve it before hand. After the lie, I asked "who knew what and when did they know it." This question will be asked by me for the rest of my life till at least I get a reasonable person to person answer from both Gareth and Bill.

    So I raise my sword into the mist and ask, who will join me on this pursuit for an answer?

    Uncle John
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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:26 pm

    GoneFishing, Mar 14 2010, 05:31 PM

    I though the Thuban thing was a load of rubbish and I just couldnt be bothered with it but then who gives a flying do do what I think. If we can the material on here thats great. I dont recall it being offensive..just long....very long.......
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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:27 pm

    Stargazzer, Mar 14 2010, 05:43 PM

    QUOTE (LadyofTheLake @ Mar 14 2010, 04:25 PM)
    QUOTE (LadyofTheLake @ Mar 14 2010, 03:19 PM)
    >Now I have to acclimate to a whole new space~~

    I was a new member who quickly caught on to the games. When I opted out, I was silenced

    I want it to be known that myself and another member have seen ourselves "logged in" when we were not.

    I concur with Lionhawk here: http://projectavalon.org/forum/showthread....t=20842&page=12 read 279, 280, 281.

    I have contacted admin many times about my concern. My account was being hacked. I saw it myself, along with another member who has been silenced---we both saw our accounts being accessed. We were never logged in yet our names showed on member list.

    My privacy and integrity have been violated
    I knew the truth would come out, just a matter of time.


    Stargazer--
    I have explained what happened to me. Being silenced I had no recourse but to watch from outside.. I have absolutely no idea what went on beyond what I personally experienced. Read the thread and Lionhawks statement.


    I spoke to LH about this....There are lots of thing on the server side that looks funny to users..

    If someone was logging in as you...to what end??

    What would they accomplish??


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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:32 pm

    Adv, Mar 14 2010, 05:44 PM

    QUOTE (PaulLandry @ Mar 14 2010, 05:31 PM)
    PaulLandry wrote :


    I though the Thuban thing was a load of rubbish and I just couldnt be bothered with it but then who gives a flying do do what I think. If we can the material on here thats great. I dont recall it being offensive..just long....very long.......




    And therein lies the rub .... See how easy it is to disagree with something ... rather than being disagreeable.

    We can still respect each other for our views and I agree with you about the long part. That was a big downside to that thread. Made it petty tedious. Some of us were willing to go along with that.

    Now ... do you promise you won't claim Sexual harassment and start anti threads ?

    Just kidding bro ...







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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:34 pm

    ladyofTheLake, Mar 14 2010, 05:50 PM

    LadyofTheLake @ Mar 14 2010, 03:19 PM wrote:
    >Now I have to acclimate to a whole new space~~

    I was a new member who quickly caught on to the games.� When I opted out, I was silenced

    I want it to be known that myself and another member� have seen ourselves "logged in"� when we were not.

    I concur with Lionhawk here: http://projectavalon.org/forum/showthread....t=20842&page=12� read 279, 280, 281.

    I have contacted admin many times about my concern.� My account was being hacked.� I saw it myself, along with another member who has been silenced---we both saw our accounts being accessed.� We were never logged in yet our names showed on member list.

    My privacy and integrity have been violated
    I knew the truth would come out, just a matter of time.






    What don't you get about that?

    This post has been edited by LadyofTheLake on Apr 2 2010, 02:26 AM


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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:35 pm

    Stargazer, Mar 14 2010, 05:50 PM

    UncleJohn @ Mar 14 2010, 05:22 PM wrote:
    Hi fellow Mist'ers,

    The reason I came to the Avalon forum was to support the Project Camelot work. That still is my motivation and I don't want to bring a cloud over Project Camelot and whatever it may involve into, but I have to.


    Uncle John


    Hey John...Glad to have you!!

    I guess my question is:

    Was Richard acting alone...??

    From his ANSWERS...seemed so

    But I feel Celine had a huge SAY!


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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:35 pm

    Stargazer, Mar 14 2010, 05:53 PM

    QUOTE (LadyofTheLake @ Mar 14 2010, 05:50 PM)
    QUOTE (LadyofTheLake @ Mar 14 2010, 03:19 PM)
    >Now I have to acclimate to a whole new space~~

    I was a new member who quickly caught on to the games.� When I opted out, I was silenced

    I want it to be known that myself and another member� have seen ourselves "logged in"� when we were not.

    I concur with Lionhawk here: http://projectavalon.org/forum/showthread....t=20842&page=12� read 279, 280, 281.

    I have contacted admin many times about my concern.� My account was being hacked.� I saw it myself, along with another member who has been silenced---we both saw our accounts being accessed.� We were never logged in yet our names showed on member list.

    My privacy and integrity have been violated
    I knew the truth would come out, just a matter of time.


    No, Stargazer, I am NOT Brook. How you could even ask that question (if you actually read what I wrote) boggles my mind.

    I have posted this here to alert others to what has happened to me. If I could have posted it on PA I would have stood up and done so. However, I was silenced

    What don't you get about that?


    Well besides you being very defensive...

    you write in the style...

    And

    I keep hearing I WAS SILENCED and provide no details..

    I was trying to get to the bottom but HEY

    If you want to Yell I WAS WRONGED and not do anything about it...Hey

    I'm Good with that

    Sorry for the bother

    Peace Y'all


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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:36 pm

    Gone Fishing, Mar 14 2010, 05:55 PM

    QUOTE (Adv @ Mar 14 2010, 05:44 PM)
    QUOTE (PaulLandry @ Mar 14 2010, 05:31 PM)
    PaulLandry wrote :


    I though the Thuban thing was a load of rubbish and I just couldnt be� bothered with it but then who gives a flying do do what I think. If we can the material on here thats great. I dont recall it being offensive..just long....very long.......




    And therein lies the rub .... See how easy it is to disagree with something ... rather than being disagreeable.

    We can still respect each other for our views and I agree with you about the long part. That was a big downside to that thread. Made it petty tedious. Some of us were willing to go along with that.

    Now ... do you promise you won't claim Sexual harassment and start anti threads ?

    Just kidding bro ...


    If the guy grabs my backside he may get a sexual harrasment case put his way!. Really I dont know what all that was about but I guess we dont need it here.
    As far as PM's ago I dont know how to read/if its possible and am not remotley interested anyway so you can rest easy there.
    I will however be breaking into your homes whilst you are out and stealing your used underwear...If you wanna intrude on someone you gotta do it in style
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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:36 pm

    Reality=Check, Mar 14 2010, 05:58 PM

    Thank you Uncle John for that. I can understand your frustration to being locked out of the moderator protocols. Just for the sake of clarity you say the Abrax ban was based on a lie. Was the lie that sexual harassment charges had a possible effect on the forum OR that there was no sexual harassment charges.

    Tango sent some obscure PM to someone. They posted in the Abraxinis banned thread that was locked. Tango said it was his/ her fault abraxinis was banned. He / she did it to save a friend.

    DID WHAT? Report abuse or make up a tail of abuse?



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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:37 pm

    UncleJohn, Mar 14 2010, 06:07 PM

    QUOTE (Stargazer @ Mar 14 2010, 05:50 PM)
    Hey John...Glad to have you!!

    I guess my question is:

    Was Richard acting alone...??



    I don't know if Richard acted alone in concocting the lie or not.

    I assume he had support from some of the mods in the Abrax ban and the misting.
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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:38 pm

    metaw3, Mar 14 2010, 06:18 PM

    Tango: "Abrax is negative (I don't like him) and my dear friend TruthWillSetYouFree finds him positive (she likes him). It's not good for the sake of Avalon (I need a favor)."

    GaiaLove: "Sure. After all I'm here to make sure that the community is full of love and positivity."
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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:44 pm

    asshat, Mar 14 2010, 06:23 PM

    QUOTE (metaw3 @ Mar 14 2010, 06:18 PM)
    Tango: "Abrax is negative (I don't like him) and my dear friend TruthWillSetYouFree finds him positive (she likes him). It's not good for the sake of Avalon (I need a favor)."

    GaiaLove: "Sure. After all I'm here to make sure that the community is full of love and positivity."


    tango has a lot more influence at p/a than anyone realizes.

    he's also batshit crazy
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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:50 pm

    mp3, Mar 14 2010, 06:35 PM

    Reality=Check @ Mar 14 2010, 05:58 PM wrote:
    Thank you Uncle John for that. I can understand your frustration to being locked out of the moderator protocols. Just for the sake of clarity you say the Abrax ban was based on a lie. Was the lie that sexual harassment charges had a possible effect on the forum OR that there was no sexual harassment charges.

    Tango sent some obscure PM to someone. They posted in the Abraxinis banned thread that was locked. Tango said it was his/ her fault abraxinis was banned. He / she did it to save a friend.

    DID WHAT? Report abuse or make up a tail of abuse?


    This whole affair has so many veiled claims and rumours and suppositions and assmptions floating around it, that it makes closure very difficult. The thing is that it's likely the rumours are true and the suppositions correct, and the assumptions justified.

    why would they want that to continue, might be a good question, because they make sure it continues by refusing to come clean with what really happened.

    I'm aware of two of the sexual harassment claims bandied about. One I became aware of when the claimant came to me privately because she could see I was taking a stand for the truth, and she said she didn't make or mean for there to be a big deal over it. Just that she didn't think what happened was appropriate or in good taste. After talking a bit, I learned that she hadn't read the posts and messages in the Thuban Social club. So she was not aware that the focus had shifted from the subject matter in the Thuban Q&A thread, to what it became in the Thuban social club area.

    Without making any judgement on whether there was any intent of any kind behind it, the language and subject matter in the off the beaten path social club turned very sexually oriented. But again, this is hugely open to interpretation what was actually meant by any of it. Most of it sounded like metaphoric discussion of Feminine/Masculine archetypes discussed in the context of what sexuality if it were even possible in higher states of consciousness, would look like or consist of. Without going into any of the details, I can say that if you received a private communication in that kind of language, without having followed any of the discussion, you might be made a tad uncomfortable.

    So after some discussion with this lady, it became sort of obvious that the significance was out of context. Again, no comment here on whether it was appropriate. Just that it meant something different than it would have had she been following the discussion in the social club.

    The second claim, all I know is what I've been told from sources with varying degrees of second hand information, on the promise of anonymity, that it was a deliberate set up. A sting. This person was Sent in to dig dirt, and found what could be construed as dirt. And although I don't know that Bill engineered the sting, or even whether he even specifically approved it, he certainly was looking for Abraxasinas to be made gone. Of that there is no question. I'm given to believe he didn't really check any of it out beyond satisfying himself that it was delusional rambling, and perhaps of sinister origin, and needed to be expunged at any cost. I believe he would consider hundreds of lost (non paying) members an acceptable price for the removal of Abraxasinas.

    And then Noble Ridhard takes up the cause and "gets er done". Amidst the insane squawking of his melted down wife.

    But rash actions are easily. Much easier than reliable get away plans and exit strategies. And they underestimated how little the bright members of the forum would be able to be hoodwinked into being distracted by the shiny new forum where billion year contracts can't be too far in the future. (if you get my drift )

    Now you also see a new phenomenon in Avalon land. Mods breaking ranks en masse and just not having the bullshit. Calling the perps out on their actions, and holding firm.

    the rest is just one stupid act of cover up and damage control after another. If there isn't a "puke" smilie here, just imagine one and put it here.
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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:52 pm

    Eleni, Mar 14 2010, 06:37 PM

    QUOTE (UncleJohn @ Mar 14 2010, 05:22 PM)
    Hi fellow Mist'ers,

    The reason I came to the Avalon forum was to support the Project Camelot work. That still is my motivation and I don't want to bring a cloud over Project Camelot and whatever it may involve into, but I have to.

    I believe I'm the reason for all the good posters being tossed into the mists. I would generally not discuss what went on in the moderator only discussion groups, but there are higher responsibilities which override this.

    It all gets down to the charge of sexual harassment by GaiaLove. This was a lie.

    Let us go back to Sat., March 5th. In the morning there was some discussion about Abrax. Nothing wrong with that, although at this time my ability to read the mod only section of the forum was removed. How rude.

    All Sat. afternoon, I was the only mod showing online. Then about 5:30 California time, Abrax was banned and his or others threads were removed from view.

    Stunned, because there was no mod vote or decision about this, or at least not in the area's we had done these before.

    I asked, and the only answer I got was we can't talk about this because it is a legal issue. That's when I got hot and started challenging the rest of the mods.

    Next morning I googled "sexual harassment" and learned that it only applied to an employment setting. When I suggested to the rest of the mods to google sexual harassment themselves, the only response I got was a comment that there were lot of sexual predators on google. Excuse me!

    I email/PM'ed Bill and Gareth about this and the only response was Gareth said he would set up a meeting with me to discuss this situation and it never occurred.

    I just drove some of the mods crazy. I would not shut up. I considered myself to be a team member and when one of team members lie to me, things cannot continue as normal.

    As a moderator, I was there for the community, not the owners or the senior admin/mods. When honest posters asked honest questions about what was going on, I did the only thing I know how to do is tell the truth.

    I posted on the main forum that the sexual harassment charge was a lie. It was quickly edited out by some of the mods who I had previously trusted. Please note that this post was from publicly available information from google and GaiaLove's public post. I did not reveal any moderator discussions in public.

    My main concern and still is, is this lie. Who knew about it before the lie and did Gareth or Bill approve it before hand. After the lie, I asked "who knew what and when did they know it." This question will be asked by me for the rest of my life till at least I get a reasonable person to person answer from both Gareth and Bill.

    So I raise my sword into the mist and ask, who will join me on this pursuit for an answer?

    Uncle John


    For the sake of clarity- some of us mods were not involved in this Abrax issue. We were questioning as well. We were left out of the scheme and by grace I am glad. I don't need that karma.
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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:53 pm

    asshat, Mar 14 2010, 06:40 PM

    i'm outta here. there isn't much i can contribute anyway.

    i wish you all the best of luck with your new forum. i hope you all find what you're looking for. don't let anyone tell you what you can and can't say.

    ONE last thing....for p/a. some might know what this means



    take care and good luck.
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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:55 pm

    LadyofTheLake, Mar 14 2010, 06:42 PM

    QUOTE (Stargazer @ Mar 14 2010, 05:53 PM)
    QUOTE (LadyofTheLake @ Mar 14 2010, 05:50 PM)
    QUOTE (LadyofTheLake @ Mar 14 2010, 03:19 PM)
    >Now I have to acclimate to a whole new space~~

    I was a new member who quickly caught on to the games.� When I opted out, I was silenced

    I want it to be known that myself and another member� have seen ourselves "logged in"� when we were not.

    I concur with Lionhawk here: http://projectavalon.org/forum/showthread....t=20842&page=12� read 279, 280, 281.

    I have contacted admin many times about my concern.� My account was being hacked.� I saw it myself, along with another member who has been silenced---we both saw our accounts being accessed.� We were never logged in yet our names showed on member list.

    My privacy and integrity have been violated
    I knew the truth would come out, just a matter of time.


    No, Stargazer, I am NOT Brook. How you could even ask that question (if you actually read what I wrote) boggles my mind.

    I have posted this here to alert others to what has happened to me. If I could have posted it on PA I would have stood up and done so. However, I was silenced

    What don't you get about that?


    Well besides you being very defensive...

    you write in the style...

    And

    I keep hearing I WAS SILENCED and provide no details..

    I was trying to get to the bottom but HEY

    If you want to Yell I WAS WRONGED and not do anything about it...Hey

    I'm Good with that

    Sorry for the bother

    Peace Y'all


    Please don't twist my words. I am irritated (not defensive) by your digging. My statement is cut and dry---clear as a bell. Yet you keep digging. You dug about emails previously--which I never mentioned. You asked me if I am Brook. If you actually read my words it is quite clear that I am in the mists--that's what silenced means

    I have not yelled anything so again---do not twist my words. I don't know anyone's motivations or agenda so I cannot and will not answer that.



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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:55 pm

    Misty, Mar 14 2010, 06:43 PM

    Honestly I find PA to be very highly moderated. There is no free speech. If someone comes along and question or put out a point of view or an argument other than what PA or its members agree to, you are all a troll. I have seen that many many times.

    Members are so afraid to speak for fear of being banned. PA is not about love, it is about fear, fear about psychic attack, PTB, speaking out among many others. Anything out of the ordinary is psychic attack and there are members there that who do not take personal responsibility for their own actions. Not everything is a psychic attack or external force, it could be just a lie from the mods or admin or even the owners. Even right now reading PA, there are members that still cling on to PA and not see pass that lie. Some are even willing to live the lie so as to be part of AV2 for fear of not getting an invite. It is very sad reading it.

    I don't really like the mods at PA. The way I see it they are like thought police not about moderating. Sorry nothing personal and I know all of you are doing your job carrying out orders for the higher up. This is the reason I rather lurk than be part of it. I have posted there but was not welcome and I got ban without warning and 100 of posts deleted.

    One of the mods at PA that I found was a laughingstock was Northern Boy. I don't know how he made the cut to be a mod. From a orange color mod to red color mod, then in the mist and now he is back to be a member again. That has to be a joke.

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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:56 pm

    Reality=Check, Mar 14 2010, 08:00 PM

    Thanks MP3

    My guesswork from reading through the lines wasn't far off. Just a cover up with a massive PR backlash. What on earth made them think they could sneak about and try cover ups on a conspiracy site. People here question their own shadow so mass deletions and misting is going to be screaming louder than a gay boy in a jailhouse.

    I'm going to give AV2 a chance. I'm hoping it is going to be more realistic and I hope they keep those psychic attack screamers in check. If anyone deserves a ban it's idiots like that for making such an unprovable claim.



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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:56 pm

    Misty, Mar 14 2010, 08:13 PM

    Brook is the mist now. Probably just a show IMO.

    Anchor is out of the mist and posting but not saying much.
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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:57 pm

    k626, Mar 14 2010, 08:23 PM

    Probably had to agree not to go on about things before let out.


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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:58 pm

    mkspllmn, Mar 14 2010, 08:26 PM

    I cant get over how PC/PA act like the NWO/PTB.

    There are several correlations that I can see.

    1. Operating in secrete.
    2. Totalitarian rule.
    3. Elitist mentality.
    4. Saying things they know are not true.
    5. Eliminating anyone who disagrees.
    6. No regard for truth and justice.
    7. Little or no regard for others in general.
    8. Power tripping.
    9. In fighting.
    10. Causing divisions in order to gain control.

    The whole time claiming to be opposed to the present world structure by trying to expose them. Claiming to be ushering in the new paradigm.

    I am starting to wonder if the whole thing was a ruse to begin with. Just a method of the PTB/NWO to find out who is thinking outside the box (we are probably all on a list of some kind as a result). I was sooo taken by it. It is so compelling.

    Has anyone else had this thought?


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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:58 pm

    LadyofTheLake, Mar 14 2010, 08:37 PM

    Don't ask Don't tell

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