Truthseeker, Mar 18 2010, 10:27 PM
Hello everybody,
Here is my take on what has ocurred at Avalon over the last year or so. It is the larger part of a PM that I sent to Anchor (minus the personal stuff, so I hope you don't mind Anchor) on 28th February.
I have been here at Avalon since its inception in September 2008. Before that I had been following Camelot for a year or so. I have kept my comments at Avalon to a minimum, as I like to be pretty clear and sure of what I want to say before I present it on a public forum. However, if you take a look at most of my posts, when I do write them, they tend to be on the lengthy side.
In the early days I truly respected and trusted Bill and Kerry�s judgement on whistleblowers, witnesses and the other individuals that they interviewed. Indeed, I still respect the two of them as individuals now. However, my trust and faith in their judgments, opinions and beliefs began to crack fairly soon after the inception of Avalon. It was the first interview with Bill Deagle that first led me to question their credibility as unbiased truth seekers. I am sure Bill Deagle is a very pleasant man on a one to one, and I am sure he has certain intuitive and psychic abilities. Many here at Avalon and elsewhere have accused him of being a charlatan and a hoaxer. Their may or may not be some truth to this claim, though he certainly does appear to have had a colorful history with some strongly fundamentalist Christian overtones. The latter is something that always raises a red flag for me, as I have had many frustrating interactions with fundamentalist Christians (I have a couple of aunts like that). I get on fine with such people, but can not get beyond some very fixed thinking when I try to take them beyond their narrow mind set. My own interest in subjects like Astrology and the Paranormal seem to disturb such folk deeply, leading them to believe that I am being led astray by the Devil, Satan, Lucifer or one of their minions.
Since that first interview with Deagle, both Bill and Kerry seem to have become far too wrapped up in his rather gloomy prognostications and seemingly giving him far more credibility than some of their other much more worthy interviewee�s. So for me this was the first sign of a crack in their judgement and thinking.
Next came the Michael St Clair debacle, when Bill and Kerry decided to remove their interviews with him. I am unclear as to the reasons for that decision, but I believe it had something to do with St Clair making rather uncomplimentary remarks about them upon his own website. However, whatever he said, removing their videos with him seemed unnecessarily extreme and more than a little immature to me. I had enjoyed the St Clair interviews, though, as for most people interviewed by Bill and Kerry did not find myself in agreement with all that he said. I liked him particularly because, like myself, he is a serious student of astrology. Indeed, I actually had some interaction with him through a couple of posts here at Avalon. However, certain conclusions that he drew from both his own study of astrology and from his own spiritual source did not resonate with me. I was not convinced of either the credibility or integrity of some of the information that he was presenting.
So again my doubts about Bill and Kerry� judgment increased.
Next up was the Dan Burisch fiasco that first became evident at the Zurich Conference last summer. Now in this instance, I feel both Bill and Kerry behaved very appropriately. They very wisely chose not to respond to the increasing insults that were arising from Dan and Marcia after that conference. These insults have continued and intensified ever since then, culminating in the recent irrational and completely baseless racist allegations aimed at Camelot by Dan, Marcia and some of their supporters. Apart from the possibly questionable presentation by Bill, on Camelot, of himself as a child photographed with Black Africans, I believe Bill and Kerry have behaved in an exemplary manner toward these ridiculous accusations. I raise a question mark over Bill�s photo�s, not because their was any thing wrong with them in them selves but because this merely provided Dan and Marcia with yet more fuel in the form of accusations (highly questionable ones) about Bill�s possible colonial past. In other words the photos merely served to feed the finger pointing accusers.
However, my main problem with the Burisch fiasco is how it reflects the inconsistency in the Camelot response to different interviewee�s, when they attack Bill, Kerry or Camelot and Avalon as a whole. With St Clair they removed his videos and terminated contact. With Burisch they kept quiet whilst allowing all his videos to remain on the Camelot website. The former was just plane wrong-minded, in my view, whilst the latter was definitely the right response. However, this seems like double standards to me. Though it is possible that they learned from their experience with St Clair, I truly doubt this as their responses to Steven Greer and Cliff High�s criticisms of them was much closer to the St Clair response. In truth, I suspect the difference had more to do with the fact the Burisch testimony (especially the looking glass technology and differing time line options) was central to the Camelot perspective, whereas the St Clair testimony (together with both the Greer and High perspectives) was not.
So again I found myself questioning the judgment and integrity of Bill and Kerry.
Next up and soon following the Burisch breakup, was the controversial interview with Steven Greer. This truly demonstrated, to me at least, a lack of judgment on Camelot�s part. Particularly Kerry in this case, though quietly backed by Bill. It seems to me that this whole good verses bad ET debate is something of a distraction. It would have been much more constructive for Kerry and Bill to have clarified where they are in agreement with Greer, rather than focus on the differences and engage in attacking him and putting him on the defensive. This had been their usual manner in previous interviews, so why abandon it now. Apparently, Greer had made some comment about Project Camelot having been a disinformation site. I can certainly see why Bill and Kerry might take some exception to this, but publicly airing their differences in that video, in such a hostile manner, really was a poor judgment call on their part. Later public claims from both Kerry and Bill that they intuitively know that something is not right with Greer (implying that he is either a clone or is under mind control by the PTB) and his message, only leads me to question, yet again, their judgment and integrity.
It would have been fine to have discussed these differences with Greer privately, but to do so publicly in such an aggressive manner was a mistake. Indeed, if they would own up to such being a mistake, then perhaps many of us that are losing faith in their actions and judgments as truth seekers, would be somewhat appeased and prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt about their decreasing credibility and integrity. However, both Kerry and Bill have continued to maintain that their very public and hostile manner toward Greer was perfectly justified. I began to wonder then if both Kerry and Bill had got sucked into the �now I am famous, I can do no wrong� bug. They were increasingly coming across as arrogant and opinionated.
More recently this hostility toward Steven Greer has again reared its ugly head at Avalon when Bill Ryan, on his own question and answer thread, presented a link to a gay pornographic site allegedly hosted by Greer. This demonstrated to me that Bill Ryan had lost the plot. Any integrity he had before this was now almost completely lost, in my humble opinion. Their was no excuse for even mentioning such a possibility about Greer�s sexual inclinations, let alone directing Avalon posters to the site. Whether it is true or not is neither Bill�s or our business. It seems more likely to me that this pornographic site was created by an enemy of Greer in an attempt to discredit him and smear his name. The fact that Bill took that site seriously can only lead to us questioning, once again, his judgment and integrity. For me at least, Bill really needs to answer for this unwise link from Avalon to the alleged Greer pornographic site, if he is to regain any credibility and integrity. Quite apart from anything else, it flies in the face of the rules of this forum.
Even after the controversial Greer video things did not end. Next was the fall out between Camelot and Cliff High, after he openly challenged the credibility of key Camelot whistleblowers like Bill Deagle and Dan Burisch. High may well have overstated his case. However, Bill�s response just seemed like yet another nail in the Camelot/Avalon coffin. Following that was the Kinsumei2 ban, by Bill Ryan, relating to the �Heather Material�. Even Kerry Cassidy opposed that one. All of this undermines both Bill and Kerry�s integrity and credibility as the co-founders of Camelot and Avalon, though Kerry certainly comes off looking better in this instance.
Finally, we come to this closure of Abraxas� Thuban thread by Bill Ryan, on which I have already commented in my recent post. Bill Ryan seems to have transformed from a genuine truth seeker into an arrogant dictator who will have nothing within his territory of Avalon and Camelot that does not fit his version of the truth. I hope that you, Anchor, and any other moderators that have supported you (perhaps even Kerry Cassidy) can engage with Bill and encourage him to see the error of his ways and take some kind of remedial action. Otherwise I fear that Avalon may fall into a deep abyss of chaos, confusion and fear, dragging Camelot and all who have so bravely presented information on both of these websites, with it.
At the end of the day, I still respect Bill and Kerry for their hard work over the years. The commentary above clearly demonstrates that they are imperfect and potentially vulnerable human beings like the rest of us. All I ask is that they acknowledge this and recognise that some of their interactions with others over the last year or so have been far less than ideal. There is a lot they could both do to heal some of these still festering wounds. We all need to be coming together during the difficult times ahead, not sniping at each other either openly or behind each others backs. If we are to graduate into the higher beings that many at Camelot and Avalon believe is our destiny, then we need to begin to heal the wounds between the main players in the alternative community. So why not start here at Avalon and set a precedent for the rest of that wider community?
Best Wishes,
Andrew
