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    The Fallout From Av2., Truth, lies and love

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    Post  SuiGeneris Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:25 pm

    Nebula, Mar 18 2010, 08:27 AM

    QUOTE (Bobbie @ Mar 16 2010, 08:25 PM)
    QUOTE (Nebula @ Mar 16 2010, 06:05 PM)
    You mean kick em out the door!


    Hey Nebula (you look like Yoda to me) I don't really have any authority to kick em out the door but I can show them where it is by means of expressing my thoughts on the interruptions. That decision will have to come from the majority.


    (Here is my yoda impression ) Right you are Bobbie, Decision must be from majority to mentally show them the way out


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    Post  SuiGeneris Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:26 pm

    Nebula, Mar 18 2010, 08:43 AM

    QUOTE (Paul @ Mar 17 2010, 02:17 AM)
    QUOTE (Nebula @ Mar 16 2010, 11:29 PM)
    QUOTE (MP3 @ Mar 16 2010, 05:26 AM)
    QUOTE (Paul @ Mar 16 2010, 07:53 AM)
    I would say after initial anger, dismay and sadness, this forum could be one of two things. A place to move on (it would be best to ignore trouble makers, infiltrations and so on...we will do our best to deal with them...dont take the bait) or a chance to show that the folks who pull the strings over at PA got things a bit wrong somewhat and could have done with a bit of a change.
    Either way while we are here just do what we do so just enjoy it, move forwards and enjoy the amazing spectrum of knowkledge and insights offered by our members.
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    I'm in favour of just letting the place develop naturally. It'll find an identity. Opinions are great, but steering, maybe not so much. Steering along the lines of personal bias was one of the huge problems in Avalon's downfall.

    I'd love to see letting the members take this place where their interactions takes it.

    I cringe at "we'd like", or "we're supposed to be about...". Who is we in those made up examples. We is the steering committee. Already been some rubbing up against, and not in the nice way over perceived control attempts.

    While still smarting from a big ugly one, which proceeds unimpeded.

    My .02 cents, for a change, instead of 3,333.33 (Hi Susan)



    I concur w/u MP3. We are all growing this baby, so to say. We are all smart and can see and discern if anyone tries to make trouble or infiltrate against the wishes and good of ALL.


    Thats fine but by allowing them in you are compromising the security of your own computer and all the details stored therein. Do you still want them around??
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    Of course not, But I see what you are saying, hopefully it won't get to that stage.
    My perspective is, everybody is welcome and we can all discern and identify a trouble maker by their actions/deeds etc.


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    Post  SuiGeneris Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:26 pm

    TRANCOSO, Mar 18 2010, 03:26 PM

    QUOTE (DisConnecting with Sauce @ Mar 17 2010, 01:00 AM)
    The first 3-4 weeks of avalon forum when it started is what I'm looking for free thought by aware people... we may find it here I suppose.

    Will all here get banned there do you think? Not that I'm bothered


    To me it's simple: anybody who accepts an invitation for PA2, also agrees with the way PA2 has been set up. The banning, the misting, the whole power & control game.
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    Post  SuiGeneris Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:27 pm

    Truthseeker, Mar 18 2010, 10:27 PM

    Hello everybody,

    Here is my take on what has ocurred at Avalon over the last year or so. It is the larger part of a PM that I sent to Anchor (minus the personal stuff, so I hope you don't mind Anchor) on 28th February.

    I have been here at Avalon since its inception in September 2008. Before that I had been following Camelot for a year or so. I have kept my comments at Avalon to a minimum, as I like to be pretty clear and sure of what I want to say before I present it on a public forum. However, if you take a look at most of my posts, when I do write them, they tend to be on the lengthy side.

    In the early days I truly respected and trusted Bill and Kerry�s judgement on whistleblowers, witnesses and the other individuals that they interviewed. Indeed, I still respect the two of them as individuals now. However, my trust and faith in their judgments, opinions and beliefs began to crack fairly soon after the inception of Avalon. It was the first interview with Bill Deagle that first led me to question their credibility as unbiased truth seekers. I am sure Bill Deagle is a very pleasant man on a one to one, and I am sure he has certain intuitive and psychic abilities. Many here at Avalon and elsewhere have accused him of being a charlatan and a hoaxer. Their may or may not be some truth to this claim, though he certainly does appear to have had a colorful history with some strongly fundamentalist Christian overtones. The latter is something that always raises a red flag for me, as I have had many frustrating interactions with fundamentalist Christians (I have a couple of aunts like that). I get on fine with such people, but can not get beyond some very fixed thinking when I try to take them beyond their narrow mind set. My own interest in subjects like Astrology and the Paranormal seem to disturb such folk deeply, leading them to believe that I am being led astray by the Devil, Satan, Lucifer or one of their minions.

    Since that first interview with Deagle, both Bill and Kerry seem to have become far too wrapped up in his rather gloomy prognostications and seemingly giving him far more credibility than some of their other much more worthy interviewee�s. So for me this was the first sign of a crack in their judgement and thinking.

    Next came the Michael St Clair debacle, when Bill and Kerry decided to remove their interviews with him. I am unclear as to the reasons for that decision, but I believe it had something to do with St Clair making rather uncomplimentary remarks about them upon his own website. However, whatever he said, removing their videos with him seemed unnecessarily extreme and more than a little immature to me. I had enjoyed the St Clair interviews, though, as for most people interviewed by Bill and Kerry did not find myself in agreement with all that he said. I liked him particularly because, like myself, he is a serious student of astrology. Indeed, I actually had some interaction with him through a couple of posts here at Avalon. However, certain conclusions that he drew from both his own study of astrology and from his own spiritual source did not resonate with me. I was not convinced of either the credibility or integrity of some of the information that he was presenting.

    So again my doubts about Bill and Kerry� judgment increased.

    Next up was the Dan Burisch fiasco that first became evident at the Zurich Conference last summer. Now in this instance, I feel both Bill and Kerry behaved very appropriately. They very wisely chose not to respond to the increasing insults that were arising from Dan and Marcia after that conference. These insults have continued and intensified ever since then, culminating in the recent irrational and completely baseless racist allegations aimed at Camelot by Dan, Marcia and some of their supporters. Apart from the possibly questionable presentation by Bill, on Camelot, of himself as a child photographed with Black Africans, I believe Bill and Kerry have behaved in an exemplary manner toward these ridiculous accusations. I raise a question mark over Bill�s photo�s, not because their was any thing wrong with them in them selves but because this merely provided Dan and Marcia with yet more fuel in the form of accusations (highly questionable ones) about Bill�s possible colonial past. In other words the photos merely served to feed the finger pointing accusers.

    However, my main problem with the Burisch fiasco is how it reflects the inconsistency in the Camelot response to different interviewee�s, when they attack Bill, Kerry or Camelot and Avalon as a whole. With St Clair they removed his videos and terminated contact. With Burisch they kept quiet whilst allowing all his videos to remain on the Camelot website. The former was just plane wrong-minded, in my view, whilst the latter was definitely the right response. However, this seems like double standards to me. Though it is possible that they learned from their experience with St Clair, I truly doubt this as their responses to Steven Greer and Cliff High�s criticisms of them was much closer to the St Clair response. In truth, I suspect the difference had more to do with the fact the Burisch testimony (especially the looking glass technology and differing time line options) was central to the Camelot perspective, whereas the St Clair testimony (together with both the Greer and High perspectives) was not.

    So again I found myself questioning the judgment and integrity of Bill and Kerry.

    Next up and soon following the Burisch breakup, was the controversial interview with Steven Greer. This truly demonstrated, to me at least, a lack of judgment on Camelot�s part. Particularly Kerry in this case, though quietly backed by Bill. It seems to me that this whole good verses bad ET debate is something of a distraction. It would have been much more constructive for Kerry and Bill to have clarified where they are in agreement with Greer, rather than focus on the differences and engage in attacking him and putting him on the defensive. This had been their usual manner in previous interviews, so why abandon it now. Apparently, Greer had made some comment about Project Camelot having been a disinformation site. I can certainly see why Bill and Kerry might take some exception to this, but publicly airing their differences in that video, in such a hostile manner, really was a poor judgment call on their part. Later public claims from both Kerry and Bill that they intuitively know that something is not right with Greer (implying that he is either a clone or is under mind control by the PTB) and his message, only leads me to question, yet again, their judgment and integrity.

    It would have been fine to have discussed these differences with Greer privately, but to do so publicly in such an aggressive manner was a mistake. Indeed, if they would own up to such being a mistake, then perhaps many of us that are losing faith in their actions and judgments as truth seekers, would be somewhat appeased and prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt about their decreasing credibility and integrity. However, both Kerry and Bill have continued to maintain that their very public and hostile manner toward Greer was perfectly justified. I began to wonder then if both Kerry and Bill had got sucked into the �now I am famous, I can do no wrong� bug. They were increasingly coming across as arrogant and opinionated.

    More recently this hostility toward Steven Greer has again reared its ugly head at Avalon when Bill Ryan, on his own question and answer thread, presented a link to a gay pornographic site allegedly hosted by Greer. This demonstrated to me that Bill Ryan had lost the plot. Any integrity he had before this was now almost completely lost, in my humble opinion. Their was no excuse for even mentioning such a possibility about Greer�s sexual inclinations, let alone directing Avalon posters to the site. Whether it is true or not is neither Bill�s or our business. It seems more likely to me that this pornographic site was created by an enemy of Greer in an attempt to discredit him and smear his name. The fact that Bill took that site seriously can only lead to us questioning, once again, his judgment and integrity. For me at least, Bill really needs to answer for this unwise link from Avalon to the alleged Greer pornographic site, if he is to regain any credibility and integrity. Quite apart from anything else, it flies in the face of the rules of this forum.

    Even after the controversial Greer video things did not end. Next was the fall out between Camelot and Cliff High, after he openly challenged the credibility of key Camelot whistleblowers like Bill Deagle and Dan Burisch. High may well have overstated his case. However, Bill�s response just seemed like yet another nail in the Camelot/Avalon coffin. Following that was the Kinsumei2 ban, by Bill Ryan, relating to the �Heather Material�. Even Kerry Cassidy opposed that one. All of this undermines both Bill and Kerry�s integrity and credibility as the co-founders of Camelot and Avalon, though Kerry certainly comes off looking better in this instance.

    Finally, we come to this closure of Abraxas� Thuban thread by Bill Ryan, on which I have already commented in my recent post. Bill Ryan seems to have transformed from a genuine truth seeker into an arrogant dictator who will have nothing within his territory of Avalon and Camelot that does not fit his version of the truth. I hope that you, Anchor, and any other moderators that have supported you (perhaps even Kerry Cassidy) can engage with Bill and encourage him to see the error of his ways and take some kind of remedial action. Otherwise I fear that Avalon may fall into a deep abyss of chaos, confusion and fear, dragging Camelot and all who have so bravely presented information on both of these websites, with it.

    At the end of the day, I still respect Bill and Kerry for their hard work over the years. The commentary above clearly demonstrates that they are imperfect and potentially vulnerable human beings like the rest of us. All I ask is that they acknowledge this and recognise that some of their interactions with others over the last year or so have been far less than ideal. There is a lot they could both do to heal some of these still festering wounds. We all need to be coming together during the difficult times ahead, not sniping at each other either openly or behind each others backs. If we are to graduate into the higher beings that many at Camelot and Avalon believe is our destiny, then we need to begin to heal the wounds between the main players in the alternative community. So why not start here at Avalon and set a precedent for the rest of that wider community?

    Best Wishes,

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    Post  SuiGeneris Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:28 pm

    Truthseeker, Mar 18 2010, 10:32 PM

    Now, here is something I wrote on 13th February, when I discovered that so many ex-moderators, plus Anchor and MP2, had been sent into the "Mists of Avalon". I never actually got around to posting it on Avalon. So here it is in full for the first time.

    Dear all,

    This dismissal of so many good folk into the mists of Avalon is a disgrace. If this is Avalon 2, then I want no part of it. Feel free to throw me in the mists if you please. At least I would be in good company. Or you can ban me, of course. The Abraxas-Thuban thing was a witch hunt from the start. Unfortunately the witch-hunters are still holding the reins as they gallop toward Avalon 2.

    Even Mudra has left now! She represented that beacon of love, light and positivity that the �New Avalon� appears to crave for. However, the New Avalon seems to be missing part of the package, as it seems to be a very conditional (as opposed to unconditional) kind of light and love that seems to want to take over now. One that offers love, light and positivity only to all those that agree. If anyone dares to question the new regime or to suggest they have acted wrongly they are either expelled to the 'Mists of Avalon' (a metaphor for having been a very, very naughty boy or girl who has broken the increasingly draconian rules) or they are banned, temporarily or permanently.

    Ooh, did I mention that devilish word, 'Draconian'. Dracon basically means Dragon in English. So who are the big bad dragons now? Could it be those moderators (maybe a founder as well) and members that refuse to acknowledge their own darkness and baggage within, thus projecting it out there on to anyone who challenges their entrenched stance?

    We all have our own inner dragons and demons. They do their worst when we suppress and deny them and try to tell ourselves and others that they are not within us at all. However, when we do this, we see those same dragons and demons in those that oppose us. We suggest that our opposers are being led astray by negative beings, or worse they are already controlled or possessed by such entities. On the other hand, if we acknowledge our inner dragon and demons we are better able to control the extremely powerful, and potentially creative energy that such represent.

    The New Avalon is in very real danger of setting itself up as a restrictive �internet cult� before it even starts. You can not have truth, integrity and unconditional love if you do not allow for dissent and disagreement within a group or forum. There is a very real difference between closed minded debunking and ridicule on the one hand and constructive criticism and healthy criticism on the other. We have seen much of the former on Old Avalon and much less of the latter. However, if this New Avalon is to go ahead as planned at present, it seems that their will be no room for any kind of dissent or disagreement at all, positive or negative. This will lead Avalonian�s up a blind alley in my view. However, with the right kind of leadership, something lacking at present, something much more positive and constructive could be created.

    Some transparency and honesty about what has really occurred at Avalon in recent weeks would be a great start. Release those banished to the �Mists of Avalon� so they can have their say, however uncomfortable that might make those that banished them there in the first place. This Avalon 2 will have absolutely no chance of becoming a force to be reckoned with, if it commences without the transparent openness that is now required. This needs to be done with great integrity and unconditional love. Forgiveness for all those moderators and members that have made rash and unwise decisions, comments and accusations, is essential. Duality and polarity needs to end here at Avalon. Unity needs to begin with a major allowance for constructive criticism and healthy scepticism. Ridiculing, debunking, name-calling and attacking must also end, which ever �side� you might think you are on.

    I have grave doubts that Avalon 2 is sufficiently developed to embrace these ideas and concepts yet. Better to stick with Avalon 1 for a while longer. A lot of healing is required. Pretending all the attacks, accusations and hurt feelings can be put behind us without further discussion will not work. If this is done the old divisions will simply fester and smolder away until the next crisis, when they will erupt and explode yet again.

    That is all I have to say.

    Best Wishes to you all,

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    Post  SuiGeneris Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:28 pm

    Truthseeker, Mar 18 2010, 10:42 PM

    Hi again,

    I wrote that last peice on 13th March, not 13th February.

    Best Wishes,

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    Post  SuiGeneris Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:29 pm

    Eleni, Mar 19 2010, 02:00 AM

    Thank you for writing the above Truthseeker.
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    Post  SuiGeneris Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:30 pm

    Mercuriel, Mar 19 2010, 02:19 AM

    Geesh. I wasn't aware of the whole Porn Link - Dr Greer thing though.

    All I can say is - No way - A Porn Link - Really ? Did He vet this heavily before doing so ?




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    Post  SuiGeneris Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:32 pm

    Mar 19 2010, 02:32 AM

    Wow Andrew! Thank you for blowing a breeze to difuse the Mists


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    Post  SuiGeneris Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:33 pm

    Eleni, Mar 19 2010, 02:57 AM

    QUOTE (Mercuriel @ Mar 19 2010, 02:19 AM)
    Geesh. I wasn't aware of the whole Porn Link - Dr Greer thing though.

    All I can say is - No way - A Porn Link - Really ? Did He vet this heavily before doing so ?




    My interest with Greer's statements is how he feels the ET's are all benign- odd statement to me.

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    Post  SuiGeneris Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:36 pm

    Adv, Mar 19 2010, 03:01 AM

    Those were 2 well laid out posts Andrew.

    My opinion ( maybe rather unpopular ) here is not directed towards you but more general in nature.

    So ...the problem I think is not with whoever's actions are being discussed and judged. It is more with the people who mistakenly idolize them and make them out to be more than they really are.

    The way I see them is that they are 2 really passionate people who ran into each other at some point and were interested in the same subject. Some joint ventures led to fandom and success. The subject they deal with has to do with the 2 extremes of the spectrum of good and evil.

    That's all ... Just because the word love and light is thrown around, doesn't make them egoless, angerless ( I made that up ), perfect human beings and should never be mistaken for any of it.

    Once you are in public scene and have a crowd following, you do whatever's needed to add to/maintain your image ... which means you will break rules when faced with a situation that threatens it.

    They're not Monks/yogis/ascetics. If you think about it, it takes a lifetime ( often several ) even for these monks to achieve an egoless state and even then most are not successful.

    Don't even get me started on the whole TIger woods debacle. Tiger's example could be perceived as apples and oranges, but at it's core, it's the same principle. People expecting a mythical perfection from these public personas, because they do one thing well.

    I'm not knocking or defending B & K here, all I'm saying is, they're humans and are driven by the same elements of ego, anger etc like the rest of us.


    Dang it ... now you made me write a long post.


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    Post  SuiGeneris Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:37 pm

    Mercuriel., Mar 19 2010, 03:09 AM

    My incredulousness was in that an Unvetted or Unverified Link would be used by Bill or anyone for that Matter at all. Call Me a purist, I don't care...

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    Post  SuiGeneris Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:37 pm

    Carmen, Mar 19 2010, 03:11 AM

    Thank you Andrew, for your excellent posts. Bill and Kerry lost credibilty with me over their treatment of Steven Greer. It showed lack of integrity and professionalism.

    Cheers

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    Post  SuiGeneris Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:38 pm

    Mercuriel, Mar 19 2010, 03:24 AM

    QUOTE (Adv @ Mar 18 2010, 10:01 PM)
    People expecting a mythical perfection from these public personas, because they do one thing well.

    I'm not knocking or defending B & K here, all I'm saying is, they're humans and are driven by the same elements of ego, anger etc like the rest of us.


    Dang it ... now you made me write a long post.


    You know - I'd even add this...

    The Only way You can expect Perfection is through being Perfect. Even the Prime Creator is not Perfect. As We are All part of It in the All That Is - We're always moving forward into Experiencing Knowledge into Wisdom within the Potentiality of Matter to varying degrees at varying levels of Consciousness...

    As the All That Is - Is always learning through Us as We are part of All That Is, not even mentioning other Races and forms of Life in the Omniverse - The Prime Creator/Source is always approaching perfection but never attaining It as until We all cease to experience - Its Game on to one extent or another and pardon the Pun.

    Therefore Perfection attained or valued should only be Perfection that One seeks to attain within Oneself through that Expereince of Knowledge into Wisdom on the Path back to Source or away - All within the First Source and Center of All Things...

    As long as Experience continues in one form or another - Expansion is the Push - And Expand the Creation will until the Prime Creator is done with Expansion. Then will Perfection be attained and in that the Prime Creator may go back to Void for another Eternity waiting to create once again.

    Will We wake up and be there for that Expansion ? I think so...



    Geesh - You made Me Channel. Arrrrggghhh...


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    Post  SuiGeneris Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:39 pm

    Linda, Mar 19 2010, 04:35 AM

    QUOTE (Truman @ Mar 15 2010, 12:48 AM)

    I've never read the Thuban thread on Avalon, and I don't want to bring the
    controversy over here, but it does seem like they are preying on the
    vulnerabilities of peoples weaknesses.

    Sexuality is always a means to be exploited if a persons libido is at a low
    ebb, or if it's enhanced, dependent upon circumstances.

    There is a formidable case made on this very subject by Eve Lorgen which can be seen here :

    http://www.alienlovebite.com/articles/evel...-love-bite.html .
    It is well worth the time and effort to read the various articles relating
    to Alien/Human relationships and the extraction of sexual energy, which is probably the most potent force exhibited by humans.., even more so than anger!

    Truman.


    Now that information from Eve Lorgen deserves a thread of its own!!!!!

    She and James Bartley talk about those forbidden subjects.
    No wonder they are not in the spotlight and threatened.

    Not a warm feeling to know how things can happen to us without even knowing about it. But knowledge is POWER.

    Great stuff.
    Thanks for the link.


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    Post  SuiGeneris Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:42 pm

    Carol, Mar 19 2010, 05:17 AM

    Wow Andrew... Wow! You took the words right out of my mouth. I thought the whole Deagle fiasco a very real crack in the credibility of the two and was already concerned about all the stuff I saw going on behind the curtains from the onset. There was so much excitement and energy when we all first started and it was exciting with all the witnesses posting.

    And the part that really saddened me was to see the stand-off stance they developed with St. Claire, Burish, Greer, Reense and others. WTF was that all about? I thought your assessment of them becoming wrapped up in their own celebrity status right on target. Basically they used their witnesses to further themselves in the eyes of the public at the personal expense of others, including a number of the many volunteers that stepped up to the plate to help them.

    Being free of that environment is truly liberating. Recently watching all the mods and others locked out into the mists and being treated so badly was a real shocker. I just couldn't and didn't want to believe that this was happening. Hence the train wreck analogy. What a mess.

    One should not have to be afraid to express the truth as long as it is being shared in a respectful manner. And I was so, so tired of experiencing how Kerry would repeatedly stab her own volunteers in the back just to save face (her image) for someone (a member) she didn't even know. Sad, truly sad.

    I really appreciate your sharing your thoughts here Andrew because you are spot on with your assessment. Bill should be ashamed for that link about Greer that he posted and provide a public apology. That was when Bill lost my respect. And the part that got me was how he would go on that he had absolute proof that his take on the story was true. Well, I don't buy it for one nano second. I just think it so wrong to trash these other old timers when it is Bill and Kerry who are the new kids on the block. Their tactless behavior demonstrated a crassness that I found appalling.




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    Post  SuiGeneris Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:43 pm

    TRANCOSO, Mar 19 2010, 10:03 AM

    Let's quit talking about Avalon.
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    Post  SuiGeneris Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:43 pm

    TRANCOSO, Mar 19 2010, 10:06 AM

    QUOTE (TRANCOSO @ Mar 19 2010, 10:03 AM)
    Let's quit talking about Avalon.


    At Avalon I had 898 posts!!!

    But look at my member nr. !!!

    From now on it's CHIEF TRANCOSO!
    Or Nr. 9.

    And where the f#ck is Admiral Swanny?



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    Post  SuiGeneris Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:44 pm

    hippihillbobbie, Mar 19 2010, 11:36 AM

    Hi ya'll--

    there are some profoundly thoughtful posts on this thread ...... by some pretty awake and aware souls, i dare say! i really appreciate and agree with so much of what ya'll have already said, that there seems no point in trying to say much more ..... no need to improve on perfection, as they say.

    However, having said this, who can resist the opportunity to add their two-cents worth?! LOL I think this DEBACLE in all its facets can be a major opportunity for growth for each of us involved in any way. it depends on the choices we make now, whether or not we strive toward a more unifying understanding of this community crisis, or a more polarizing one. God is here in and with us, same for PA2, PA1, and any OTHER sites we visit.

    i'm certainly not downgrading the necessary task of processing and assimilating the recent events at PA/PC which have been so emotionally charged. Without doing this, all the pain will have been in vain! i'm just agreeing with what many of you have already said -- that as we transition through this fairly major "event horizon" in many of our lives--we can look forward to the grace and fluidity which comes as Gift from such deaths-resurrections/rebirths in our personal and communal lives. And to that, at least, we should all be able to shout: Hallejuah!!!

    Linda-- good point about the "sensitivity" of trying to discuss sexual topics on forums such as these ..... such an explosive topic ...... so many divergent views and vulnerable people, as you say. and, of course, society agrees that it's best just to leave it alone. but WHY would we do that at a Project Camelot or Avalon, when the founding principles of these sites seems to emphasize the importance of having the freedom to explore WHATEVER we think is important to our individual/social/planetary growth. Why would "sex" be the sole topic that is taboo here? the only subject we MUST NOT discuss?? are we afraid of influencing any under-age posters, cause that's the only legitimate reason i can think of for an outright ban on open conversations among adults about something that is SUCH an essential aspect of our humanity, as well as that of all-other-living-things??? but, i suppose this point has already been made elsewhere.....no need to beat a dead horse, just to use yet one more cliche!

    one more thing ..... as a member of the wild 'n crazy Thuban sex dragon cult, i would just like to add that there have been no "cult-members" who complained of anything as being sexually offensive in any of our Thuban Social Group discussions. These threads, just as the original Thuban Q&A thread, were all open to public perusal. Had there been anything that remotely smacked-of sexual harassment in any of that material, it would be public knowledge by now. the charge of "witch-hunt" has not been made idly, in many people's opinions. but that's the "old news" and the "new news" is forgiveness, growth, rebirth!

    I love you, my sisters and brothers in the mist. Let us join hands and hearts and get on with the Great Work!

    love,
    hippihillbobbi

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    Post  SuiGeneris Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:45 pm

    Eleni, Mar 19 2010, 04:46 PM

    I don't get sex as taboo topic, how do people think the universes/es operate? We are micrososm's of the macrocosm's. Something being taboo as discussion topic is childish IMO.
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    Post  SuiGeneris Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:46 pm

    Eleni, Mar 19 2010, 04:51 PM

    QUOTE (hippihillbobbi @ Mar 19 2010, 11:36 AM)
    Hi ya'll--

    there are some profoundly thoughtful posts on this thread ...... by some pretty awake and aware souls, i dare say! i really appreciate and agree with so much of what ya'll have already said, that there seems no point in trying to say much more ..... no need to improve on perfection, as they say.

    However, having said this, who can resist the opportunity to add their two-cents worth?! LOL I think this DEBACLE in all its facets can be a major opportunity for growth for each of us involved in any way. it depends on the choices we make now, whether or not we strive toward a more unifying understanding of this community crisis, or a more polarizing one. God is here in and with us, same for PA2, PA1, and any OTHER sites we visit.

    i'm certainly not downgrading the necessary task of processing and assimilating the recent events at PA/PC which have been so emotionally charged. Without doing this, all the pain will have been in vain! i'm just agreeing with what many of you have already said -- that as we transition through this fairly major "event horizon" in many of our lives--we can look forward to the grace and fluidity which comes as Gift from such deaths-resurrections/rebirths in our personal and communal lives. And to that, at least, we should all be able to shout: Hallejuah!!!

    Linda-- good point about the "sensitivity" of trying to discuss sexual topics on forums such as these ..... such an explosive topic ...... so many divergent views and vulnerable people, as you say. and, of course, society agrees that it's best just to leave it alone. but WHY would we do that at a Project Camelot or Avalon, when the founding principles of these sites seems to emphasize the importance of having the freedom to explore WHATEVER we think is important to our individual/social/planetary growth. Why would "sex" be the sole topic that is taboo here? the only subject we MUST NOT discuss?? are we afraid of influencing any under-age posters, cause that's the only legitimate reason i can think of for an outright ban on open conversations among adults about something that is SUCH an essential aspect of our humanity, as well as that of all-other-living-things??? but, i suppose this point has already been made elsewhere.....no need to beat a dead horse, just to use yet one more cliche!

    one more thing ..... as a member of the wild 'n crazy Thuban sex dragon cult, i would just like to add that there have been no "cult-members" who complained of anything as being sexually offensive in any of our Thuban Social Group discussions. These threads, just as the original Thuban Q&A thread, were all open to public perusal. Had there been anything that remotely smacked-of sexual harassment in any of that material, it would be public knowledge by now. the charge of "witch-hunt" has not been made idly, in many people's opinions. but that's the "old news" and the "new news" is forgiveness, growth, rebirth!

    I love you, my sisters and brothers in the mist. Let us join hands and hearts and get on with the Great Work!

    love,
    hippihillbobbi


    The sexual harassment was fabricated- that's what made me question it and when I did as well as others who did- we were misted. Abrax displayed nothing towards me other than a gentleman like manner.
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    Post  SuiGeneris Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:47 pm

    enemyofNWO, Mar 19 2010, 05:19 PM
    My two cents on the Sex energy and Eve Lorgen website .

    http://www.alienlovebite.com/index.html

    Joining the above dots knowing that we humans taste better to some ET when we are scared and the adrenalin is running wild .
    This is consistent with the use of human's sex energy as discussed in the above link . I regret not having read the Thuban thread , that could possibly have same extra useful hint . It appears that our most extreme emotions could feed ET vampires . This feeding has more than one meaning . It is strange but possible . This is , possibly is one of the reasons why disclosure will never take place . The other reason is the fact that the military are probably impotent .
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    Post  SuiGeneris Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:48 pm

    Eleni, Mar 19 2010, 05:27 PM
    QUOTE (enemyofNWO @ Mar 19 2010, 05:19 PM)
    My two cents on the Sex energy and Eve Lorgen website .

    http://www.alienlovebite.com/index.html

    Joining the above dots knowing that we humans taste better to some ET when we are scared and the adrenalin is running wild .
    This is consistent with the use of human's sex energy as discussed in the above link . I regret not having read the Thuban thread , that could possibly have same extra useful hint . It appears that our most extreme emotions could feed ET vampires . This feeding has more than one meaning . It is strange but possible . This is , possibly is one of the reasons why disclosure will never take place . The other reason is the fact that the military are probably impotent .


    Some types of sexual energy opens up portals- there is no doubt. Black ops have utilized this to the max, so do various ET races, think law of attraction here though. The type of sexual experiences you create for yourself are going to have an impact on whether you draw in entities or not.
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    Post  SuiGeneris Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:49 pm

    Mercuriel, Mar 19 2010, 05:40 PM

    Yeah - Sexuality with Love is a Vibration harmful to Them. Sexuality with Lust is a Vibration They'll have Their Straws out for...

    Slurp, Slurp...

    At any rate - Love - Love - Love is the only way. The rest is Sex Majick...




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    Peace, Love, Light, Unity and Harmony...
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    Post  SuiGeneris Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:50 pm

    Devajas, Mar 19 2010, 05:51 PM

    QUOTE (Mercuriel @ Mar 19 2010, 05:40 PM)
    Yeah - Sexuality with Love is a Vibration harmful to Them. Sexuality with Lust is a Vibration They'll have Their Straws out for...

    Slurp, Slurp...

    At any rate - Love - Love - Love is the only way. The rest is Sex Majick...




    Mercurier, well said...

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