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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 11:01 pm

    Reality=Check, Mar 14 2010, 08:37 PM

    You can bet your XXX anyone that logs on to PC/A is on someone�s checklist. You can bet your XXX any email sent to Kerry or Bill is read, logged and IP checked before they even get it.

    The wacky stuff will not bother them because they can deny it but there will be a day a whistle blower shows up with plans and chit. Hard core proof. They are the one's the PTB want to catch.



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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 11:02 pm

    mkspllmn, Mar 14 2010, 08:46 PM

    I hope we can all behave as a group here. Bonded in truth and good intentions.

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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 11:03 pm

    LadyofTheLake, Mar 14 2010, 08:47 PM

    QUOTE (mkspllmn @ Mar 14 2010, 08:26 PM)
    I cant get over how PC/PA act like the NWO/PTB.

    There are several correlations that I can see.

    1. Operating in secrete.
    2. Totalitarian rule.
    3. Elitist mentality.
    4. Saying things they know are not true.
    5. Eliminating anyone who disagrees.
    6. No regard for truth and justice.
    7. Little or no regard for others in general.
    8. Power tripping.
    9. In fighting.
    10. Causing divisions in order to gain control.

    The whole time claiming to be opposed to the present world structure by trying to expose them. Claiming to be ushering in the new paradigm.

    I am starting to wonder if the whole thing was a ruse to begin with. Just a method of the PTB/NWO to find out who is thinking outside the box (we are probably all on a list of some kind as a result). I was sooo taken by it. It is so compelling.

    Has anyone else had this thought?


    yep. That's why I didn't stay long, saw it right away.


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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 11:05 pm

    Raven, Mar 14 2010, 08:49 PM

    Juno @ Mar 14 2010, 10:33 AM wrote:
    btw..

    gaialove does read pm's. it's ONE of his tools to keep track of who is with him and who is against him.

    mods probably don't know he does it. this is because it has to be done at the server level. only people with database access can view them.

    not going to say any more about that.


    This statement makes me ill to my stomach. I consider invasion of privacy to be one of the worst crimes. Having experienced this myself on a personal level ie: an ex hacking my email account, i can say this is extremely violating. If this is true, even more reason i wan't nothing to do with the C&R show. Raven
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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 11:06 pm

    mkspllmn, Mar 14 2010, 08:53 PM

    mkspllmn @ Mar 14 2010, 08:26 PM wrote:
    I cant get over how PC/PA act like the NWO/PTB.

    There are several correlations that I can see.

    1. Operating in secrete.
    2. Totalitarian rule.
    3. Elitist mentality.
    4. Saying things they know are not true.
    5. Eliminating anyone who disagrees.
    6. No regard for truth and justice.
    7. Little or no regard for others in general.
    8. Power tripping.
    9. In fighting.
    10. Causing divisions in order to gain control.

    The whole time claiming to be opposed to the present world structure by trying to expose them. Claiming to be ushering in the new paradigm.

    I am starting to wonder if the whole thing was a ruse to begin with. Just a method of the PTB/NWO to find out who is thinking outside the box (we are probably all on a list of some kind as a result). I was sooo taken by it. It is so compelling.

    Has anyone else had this thought?


    11. Sneaking around in the shadows.


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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 11:08 pm

    Eleni, Mar 14 2010, 09:00 PM

    Juno @ Mar 14 2010, 04:33 PM wrote:
    btw..

    gaialove does read pm's. it's ONE of his tools to keep track of who is with him and who is against him.

    mods probably don't know he does it. this is because it has to be done at the server level. only people with database access can view them.

    not going to say any more about that.


    That is so UNETHICAL AND HIGHLY DISTURBING if true! Karma is all I can say........... I had the same issue Raven.
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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 11:22 pm

    roque trooper, Mar 14 2010, 09:15 PM

    I only joined avalon last month and thought wow what a cool place with real cool switched on people, then all of sudden the whole show started to crash and burn,
    this cant be i thought!! (A conspiracy on a conspiracy forum)... no surly not, well i havnt been around long enough to judge the people of the forum but one thing is for sure, Mr bill Ryan may be busy doing his thing but my view is if he realy cares about his forum, that he created, he should with out doubt be on there reasuring and explaining what the hell is going on,
    just my thoughts but hey at least they are my thoughts and no one controles them


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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 11:23 pm

    UncleJohn, Mar 14 2010, 09:23 PM

    As far as the ability to read private PM's on Vbulletin software, I believe I was the first one the bring this up in the mod discussions. Karen responded to me with an upper caps, spelled out, f u. Sorry Karen, but you can just bet that those kind of responses are not going to be kept secret by me.

    I'm still question this. As far as I can see, an anonymous login can go to select a member's profile and at least see the private images that are being sent to them. Try it for yourself and report back here.

    Ok course, if those PM's are stored in the database without being encrypted then we should not be using this forum software.

    I wonder what Gareth would say? Perhaps I should post the latest Microsoft memo, for law enforcement eyes only, covering the mechanism to look inside of anyone's hard drive without them knowing it. Many years ago, I chatted with a former Microsoft official who quit because of this. I doubt that would be too hard to hack.

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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 11:24 pm

    Raven, Mar 14 2010, 09:29 PM

    QUOTE (UncleJohn @ Mar 14 2010, 03:23 PM)
    As far as the ability to read private PM's on Vbulletin software, I believe I was the first one the bring this up in the mod discussions. Karen responded to me with an upper caps, spelled out, f u. Sorry Karen, but you can just bet that those kind of responses are not going to be kept secret by me.

    I'm still question this. As far as I can see, an anonymous login can go to select a member's profile and at least see the private images that are being sent to them. Try it for yourself and report back here.

    Ok course, if those PM's are stored in the database without being encrypted then we should not be using this forum software.

    I wonder what Gareth would say? Perhaps I should post the latest Microsoft memo, for law enforcement eyes only, covering the mechanism to look inside of anyone's hard drive without them knowing it. Many years ago, I chatted with a former Microsoft official who quit because of this. I doubt that would be too hard to hack.

    Uncle John


    Uncle John you are giving me nightmares about this is this a safe forum in that sense and if not can we assure folks that it will be fixed and secure? BTW glad to see you here I really appreciate your honesty and integrity John, thank you. Love and hugs, Raven
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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 11:24 pm

    Carol, Mar 14 2010, 09:32 PM

    Actually the real problem started with Henry Deacon/Art Neumann back in 2008 when Kerry took a lob at him on the forum while he was also a moderator there. Art immediately went into destruct mode and started deleting all of the other witnesses threads along with his own. Then he blamed the current forum moderator for the deed which Bill bought and outed the guy who gave them the money and set up Avalon in the first place.

    Next, Art told me personally he was out to destroy Avalon and went about it in a variety of ways. He wanted to post on the forum that Bill was involved with someone else in Europe. We told him the members wouldn't care due to the fact that they (B&K) are business partners. He was in contact via skype with a number of other witnesses and continued to trash B&K to them on a regular basis. He was furious with Kerry for selling his story to Nexus magazine as he felt all information should be free and if there was money to be made off of him he wanted it.

    So yes, this whole situation has been an ongoing mess for months. Bill refused to believe that Art took down the forum. I think Kerry was more aware of what Art was capable of. However, I did not hear about Avalon 2 being a paid forum because if it is I serious wonder how many will go through this again. Project Light Forum may have 900 members but I registered to have a look and I don't see any posting.

    We shall see how they all play out and what the new guidelines/intention/direction will be. As of yet, I'm still confused and up in the air about all of this. I like Mists because it is neutral. And it's a good place to settle while the dust is flying around elsewhere.


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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 11:25 pm

    k626, Mar 14 2010, 10:02 PM

    Deacon is interesting, but I wish he wouldn't claim to have been on Mars.


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    Post  SuiGeneris Thu Apr 15, 2010 11:58 pm

    metaw3, Mar 14 2010, 10:14 PM

    QUOTE (UncleJohn @ Mar 14 2010, 09:23 PM)
    Ok course, if those PM's are stored in the database without being encrypted then we should not be using this forum software.


    No forum software is encrypting its PMs. They are stored in clear in the database. It is not that easy to browse however. The way it works is that PMs have their own table and the author id and recipient id are stored with each message. So it can be time consuming to follow a conversation.

    There are add-ons to encrypt PMs in vBulletin but it can't be completely safe. It's always a matter of how hard the bad admin is willing to try and read the PMs.

    Here's the DB table fro PMs in phpBB:
    http://wiki.phpbb.com/Table.phpbb_privmsgs

    and here is an add-on to encrypt PMs in vBulletin:
    http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=140064

    Also, it's rather easy for one admin (by 'admin' I mean with DB and server access) to install an add-on allowing only himslef to read PMs from his usercp:
    http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=92815
    Nobody would know if they can't have access to the file system of the software. I believe they are at least two to have such access: Gareth and GaiaLove (and Bill of course). Gareth posted today that PMs can't be read. He probably meant that the software does not allow this, but he obviously does not want people to know that he and GaiaLove can do it directly in the DB. Anyway if GaiaLove reads PMs he probably keeps it between he and his wife. They do seem to like logs. They mention logs all the time in their messages. Do you want to see the log of this, or the log of that.

    So it all comes down to having an admin you know you can trust not to read PMs. I know I trusted Anchor but not GaiaLove. I think the fear of PMs read by an admin tells a lot about whether or not you have a good leader. No need to analyze over complicated theories. If you can't trust the guy not to read your PMs...
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    Post  SuiGeneris Fri Apr 16, 2010 12:01 am

    Misty, Mar 14 2010, 10:15 PM

    QUOTE (UncleJohn @ Mar 14 2010, 05:23 PM)
    As far as the ability to read private PM's on Vbulletin software, I believe I was the first one the bring this up in the mod discussions.� Karen responded to me with an upper caps, spelled out, f u.� Sorry Karen, but you can just bet that those kind of responses are not going to be kept secret by me.

    I'm still question this.� As far as I can see, an anonymous login can go to select a member's profile and at least see the private images that are being sent to them.� Try it for yourself and report back here.

    Ok course, if those PM's are stored in the database without being encrypted then we should not be using this forum software.

    I wonder what Gareth would say?� Perhaps I should post the latest Microsoft memo, for law enforcement eyes only, covering the mechanism to look inside of anyone's hard drive without them knowing it. Many years ago, I chatted with a former Microsoft official who quit because of this.� I doubt that would be too hard to hack.

    Uncle John


    Why would Karen responded with all Cap F. U.? It is an honest question. Why so defensive, offended and upset on her part unless she knows something about PMs being read, I just don't see why she would have responded that way. It does not gel with her loving image on the forum. I am not bashing her. Just call it as it is.

    I have been in the PA chat. I have seen Celine you use the F word couple of times unlike her self professed loving and wonderful first lady image on the forum. Two face is what I see here.

    You can tell people how loving and wonderful you all you want but if you cannot walk the talk, then you are just full of shxt IMO.
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    Post  SuiGeneris Fri Apr 16, 2010 12:13 am

    Gone Fishing, Mar 14 2010, 10:22 PM

    That's interesting about Henry Deacon Carol. Did someone bump him off or has he gone back to Mars?

    I can assure people that no one here, myself or mods will be reading anyones private communications on point of principle. I havent checked to see if its possible and wont be doing so.
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    Post  SuiGeneris Fri Apr 16, 2010 12:18 am

    LadyofTheLake, Mar 14 2010, 10:36 PM

    like these colors BTW, soft and easy on the eyes~~


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    Post  SuiGeneris Fri Apr 16, 2010 12:18 am

    tacodog, Mar 14 2010, 10:47 PM

    QUOTE (LadyofTheLake @ Mar 14 2010, 04:05 PM)
    QUOTE (MP3 @ Mar 14 2010, 03:00 PM)
    One thing that isn't broadly known, is that Some mods and any admins on av can stealth themselves. Don't assume Bill isn't around. He's watching this like a hawk, and sweating enough to require a new hat soon.

    GaiaToy is stealthed all the time too. watching and acting, from a cloak of invisibility. (which does not extend to his energy imprint. lol)


    i believe you--as i saw my account being accessed


    I was wondering about that. I was not logged in and I saw that I was listed as if I was logged in. I thought there must have been a mistake or something, some kind of glitch.


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    Post  SuiGeneris Fri Apr 16, 2010 12:19 am

    Lost, Mar 14 2010, 10:56 PM

    okay i posted somewhere else cause i didnt know this place so here is what i posted. i hope this is the right place to post it

    OK, I don't know if this is the right place to ask but I need to ask you some things.

    Im pretty lost about what is happening so could anyone explain me why you went here instead of PA?

    Is it because you have been silenced? (why have you been silenced)
    Is it because you think PA have been infiltrated?
    Is it because you didnt get answers?
    Etc etc,
    I would appreciated if you answer honestly. I also want to know what is happening to you all. I want to know your views on this. your situations.

    Thanks
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    Post  SuiGeneris Fri Apr 16, 2010 12:20 am

    Misty, Mar 14 2010, 11:01 PM

    For me, it is a little of the above. Fake love and hateful action.

    What brought you here then? Perhaps you should tell us instead of asking all the loaded questions and tell us your view about the whole situation.

    If you are from PA, be it a member or lurker you would know what has been going on at PA.

    To sum it up, I'm here because I'm repulsed by the fake loving words, backed up by the spiteful, hateful actions. This tells me that the leadership and much of the membership is hypocritical and dishonest. Because of that, I have zero trust in any of them.

    You can read PA and this forum and you will get some answers if not all.

    Answer honestly - hmmm ...

    I have answer the questions honestly. Will you answer why you're here in the same honest fashion?
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    anomalous cowherd, Mar 14 2010, 11:05 PM

    hmmmm, the plot is indeed thick. I find it strange they didn't ban me ( swordsmith) especially after I asked for deleted /edited posts to be restored, and they were.
    I always assume they read PMs and so say what the hell I like in em., especially about R and C.

    Why is anchor so heavily promoting AV2? I don't trust that, sorry. Everyone likes him, he's too cold for me, dispassionate maybe but selling AV2 now and saying how frustrating it was not to be able to read his visitor messages, has he been cloned or gotten a taste for punishment?
    I dunno and it has been mentioned to me Celine may be bi polar, so damn, I might just have to cut her some slack. I thought Richard was a fake day one.
    Oh well, I do tend to have strong opinions.


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    Reality=Check, Mar 14 2010, 11:17 PM

    QUOTE (Lost @ Mar 14 2010, 10:56 PM)
    okay i posted somewhere else cause i didnt know this place so here is what i posted. i hope this is the right place to post it

    OK, I don't know if this is the right place to ask but I need to ask you some things.

    Im pretty lost about what is happening so could anyone explain me why you went here instead of PA?

    Is it because you have been silenced? (why have you been silenced)
    Is it because you think PA have been infiltrated?
    Is it because you didnt get answers?
    Etc etc,
    I would appreciated if you answer honestly. I also want to know what is happening to you all. I want to know your views on this. your situations.

    Thanks


    From what I understand. This forum was set up for those sent to the mist on Avalon, for what ever reason. It is also a meeting place should the Avalon2 forum turn people away or people don't like it.

    The handy thing is you can say what ever the hell you like in here. With the exception of going over board with bad language. It's nice to be nice without being a wanker with it



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    Post  SuiGeneris Fri Apr 16, 2010 12:23 am

    Lost, Mar 14 2010, 11:25 PM

    I think there was a bigger reason for the split between mods etc.. You went here to say whatever you want? lol ok, nice answer.
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    Post  SuiGeneris Fri Apr 16, 2010 12:23 am

    LadyofTheLake, Mar 14 2010, 11:29 PM

    QUOTE (tacodog @ Mar 14 2010, 10:47 PM)
    QUOTE (LadyofTheLake @ Mar 14 2010, 04:05 PM)
    QUOTE (MP3 @ Mar 14 2010, 03:00 PM)
    One thing that isn't broadly known, is that Some mods and any admins on av can stealth themselves. Don't assume Bill isn't around. He's watching this like a hawk, and sweating enough to require a new hat soon.

    GaiaToy is stealthed all the time too. watching and acting, from a cloak of invisibility. (which does not extend to his energy imprint. lol)


    i believe you--as i saw my account being accessed


    I was wondering about that. I was not logged in and I saw that I was listed as if I was logged in. I thought there must have been a mistake or something, some kind of glitch.


    For me, I saw red flags, BIG red flags. I contacted admin and never received any answer. To me it was saying that someone was in my account even though I myself could not access. Access NADA-- no user CP no friends, unable to post NADA=shut out.




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    Post  SuiGeneris Fri Apr 16, 2010 12:24 am

    LadyofTheLake, Mar 14 2010, 11:31 PM

    QUOTE (anomalous cowherd @ Mar 14 2010, 11:05 PM)
    hmmmm, the plot is indeed thick. I find it strange they didn't ban me ( swordsmith) especially after I asked for deleted /edited posts to be restored, and they were.
    I always assume they read PMs and so say what the hell I like in em., especially about R and C.

    Why is anchor so heavily promoting AV2? I don't trust that, sorry. Everyone likes him, he's too cold for me, dispassionate maybe but selling AV2 now and saying how frustrating it was not to be able to read his visitor messages, has he been cloned or gotten a taste for punishment?
    I dunno and it has been mentioned to me Celine may be bi polar, so damn, I might just have to cut her some slack. I thought Richard was a fake day one.
    Oh well, I do tend to have strong opinions.


    agreed. I find it hard to understand why some very controversial members are not misted~~~


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    ladyofTheLake, Mar 14 2010, 11:35 PM

    QUOTE (anomalous cowherd @ Mar 14 2010, 11:05 PM)
    hmmmm, the plot is indeed thick. I find it strange they didn't ban me ( swordsmith) especially after I asked for deleted /edited posts to be restored, and they were.
    I always assume they read PMs and so say what the hell I like in em., especially about R and C.

    Why is anchor so heavily promoting AV2? I don't trust that, sorry. Everyone likes him, he's too cold for me, dispassionate maybe but selling AV2 now and saying how frustrating it was not to be able to read his visitor messages, has he been cloned or gotten a taste for punishment?
    I dunno and it has been mentioned to me Celine may be bi polar, so damn, I might just have to cut her some slack. I thought Richard was a fake day one.
    Oh well, I do tend to have strong opinions.


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    Post  SuiGeneris Fri Apr 16, 2010 12:25 am

    Carol, Mar 14 2010, 11:42 PM

    This is what happened. Both Bill and Kerry have very different views on how to run a forum. Bill is European and has a lot more class with respect that he likes people to be respectful, not to swear, not to post porn, keep to topic with respect to ground crew activities and focus and tends to work within boundaries.

    Kerry is an emotional batterer which we all unfortunately witnessed in the chatbox. She is into free speech and not banning anyone.

    Bill is into banning folks he considers disrespectful and trouble makers... unfortunately, Kerry can be a trouble maker herself and would sacrifice pretty much any mod or admin to save her own face/image ~ which she did on a regular basis. Kerry is more into using and discarding folks.. and Bill can do that as well.

    They have different styles. Bill is more breezy, open and warm in his posting style. Kerry had to be reminded a number of times how she comes across and has since modified her public behavior quite a bit. Both can be two-faced. They call a number of their witnesses their friends and trust me, some are not their friends but enemies.

    Bill and Kerry's relationship went south after they returned from Australia and Kerry humiliated Bill in the chat box with all mods and admins watching. She went as far to sent them emails, which we all hated. Bill disappeared from Avalon for a year. I suggested to Bill that Kerry apologize to Henry Deacon for what she posted on Avalon about him and she flat out refused stating that she would walk away from both at that time before she would apologize. Bill was over a barrel. He took his absence from Avalon telling the mods/admins to make of it what they wanted. Kerry basically turned the forum over to Bill back in 2008 but Bill wasn't there to deal with problems that arose so Karen called Kerry who stepped in to pick up the ball. The admin should have taken Kerry's keys away at that time but didn't since she was the co-founder of the forum. So Kerry continued to have access to chat and the admin controls. Basically she left the running of the forum to the admins and mods until someone complained. She didn't want to be bothered but was interested in what money she could make off the forum. She also allowed other members onto the forum who could not pay so she did "right" by them.

    HD was out to destroy them and Avalon from the beginning and was pretty successful in the various things he did. That man is like a dog with a bone and very vengeful. He would not be satisfied until Avalon was destroyed. He constantly professed to others that he was furious with B&K but two-faced and nicy-nice to B&K when he wanted something. Meanwhile, behind their backs he was constantly in communication with other witnesses and I suspect some of the fallout with those witnesses was due to some of HD's handiwork.

    Don't blame any of the mods or admins. The issue is always what you see at the top is how it is played out from the top down. They were all working in the worst of situations because the forum was split from the time I was there starting back in the early fall of 2008. It's just taken this long for the final showdown.

    Since Bill is in Europe and Kerry in the States there are always some difficulties with communication just given the time difference. Also, the two of them together were quite a force to reckon with and there were others wanting to see them split for other nefarious reasons. Of course the goal was to completely destroy them and their projects. That is also why Jack/John is in the picture. He is there to take Bills place. The skuttle butt is that he and Kerry are an item and that he is MKultra. This means he is also into mind control and would have control over Kerry and all of the newer witnesses. Others think this is what is going on and see it as an evil plan. Camelot could then be used as disinfomation central.

    Meanwhile, Kerry was busily making enemies of the Exopolitcs group and created a lot more animosity toward themselves after the recent conferences in Europe last summer. My inside sources were there and reported to me what happened and the various conversations that took place so this is where this information is from.

    Now that the split has occurred between the two as business partners two new forums are being created. Project Light Warrior is Kerry's and Avalon 2 Bill. i have no idea how these two new forums will play out but I am tired of the games and animosity. Frankly, I prefer being somewhere where truth-the whole truth is valued and where we don't have to tiptoe around making sure we don't damage fragile egos... or not so fragile egos as the case may be.

    Believe it or not, I both like and dislike both of them for different reasons. I like the body of work they created and that they make it free to the public. I like that they had the courage to seek out witnesses and put their money where their mouth was. I liked that they were committed to getting the truth out and not afraid to do so.

    I did not like Kerry's style of interview where she would sometimes interrogate the witness (she was not being respectful in tone or manner), nor did I like how they endangered some of the witnesses where Mr. X was, in my personal opinion, taken out just a week after his last interview with them. I never liked the polarization between the two or Kerry's temper, nor how she would use/sacrifice the admins and mods. I didn't like how Bill disappeared for a year on the forum nor how he always stood behind Kerry while she treated him so horribly. He did say they used to have huge battles and later I concluded that they were brilliant at times as a couple yet basically toxic for one another on an interpersonal level.

    I also liked how their vision brought all of us together and gave us something of value to consider. I sincerely wish each of them the best and of course am very curious as to what happens next. i would like to be a part of each forum just to track what comes up so we can be prepared ahead of time for the events which are unfolding.

    I hope this explains what was going on behind the scenes. There is more but this pretty much sums it up. And I would appreciate it if NO ONE copies or pastes this to another forum. This information is sensitive yet I've always felt if folks just knew the truth of the situation they wouldn't have to go around making false assumptions trying to fill in the gaps for what we don't know or blaming admins/mods for things they had no control over.




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    Aloha, do jeh, toda, arigato, merci, grazie, salamat po, gracias, tack, sukria, danke schoen, kiitos, dank u, mahalo nui loa ~ Heaven

    With deepest respect ~ Aloha & Mahalo, Carol

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