The White Supremacist and fascist 'UFO Contactees'

Chimpsky wrote:

Very interesting finds, I've bookmarked both of them for reference, I've been dibbing in & out of this thread for some time, as some of the strands are pertinant to my own experiences / path, and I definately think there is a lot of truth behind the mumbo jumbo, to do with bloodlines, re-incarnation & UFOs', as well as covert agendas, hidden occult groups, black projects and double bluff "charletans" to blurr truth & fiction.

I think that in recent times a lot of these "Templar" groups are on a sliding scale from dodgy occult groups to social clubs in capes, that said there is a wealth of symbology and mystery that is perfect for exploitation by mind control "agencies", either to embed & obscure "missions" or to create false memories to hide some thing else.

I agree, whilst many Templar groups are fixated on ceremony and with schizoid fascinations of the Knights Templar, there are however, those involved with nazi milita and extreme right politics as can be seen with Origas and Jouret. The former a disciple of St Germain. Some of these French Templar groups are associated with Italian Freemasonry. I think it is highly probable that the enjoyment of being associated with the myth of St Germain along with the notion of being part of an elite Templar group, no matter what guise it manifests itself in, attracts individuals of a particular superlative and self indulgent psychology. Ritual. Horses for Courses. Some folk just like to be special.

It seems that St Germain is rather fond of employing, neo nazis, naval gazing pseudo Templars or right wing bigots or con men does it not?


Even from his his little imaginary hole of Agartha.

Or perhaps they are all programmes lol.


After all it takes two to tango.

Next up... an elite race who will only survive by changing their bodies. Skin shedding perhaps?

Right.

Perhaps we have a new set of Templars on our hands?


Sometimes they die as in the case of Jouret's Solar Temple. Jouret, a neo nazi who told his followers that heaven awaits and that they were chosen. They would change the world. He told of the apocalypse. He found it. His followers died of bullet wounds, plastic bags over their heads or lethal injection. Who did it? The French secret service perhaps. Themselves? A right wing esoteric Templar group accused of gun running and money laundering?

Who is St Germain's new disciple? St Germain likes a good Nazi does he not?

Cults come and go. That is certain. But are they cults?

Personally, I wouldn't trust these turdburgers, no matter what flowery language they use to cover themselves in, as far as I could throw them.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.france-secret.com/socsec_art6.htm&ei=Ef88T_OWFYqs0QWZreTGBw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CGUQ7gEwCA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Djulian%2Borigas%2Bnazi%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DjSh%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26prmd%3Dimvnsob

Initiatory orders or neo-Nazi movements?

translated from french with google translate.

More on Origas and Jouret and Templar and quasi Masonic groups.

Floyd wrote:http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.france-secret.com/socsec_art6.htm&ei=Ef88T_OWFYqs0QWZreTGBw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CGUQ7gEwCA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Djulian%2Borigas%2Bnazi%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DjSh%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26prmd%3Dimvnsob

Initiatory orders or neo-Nazi movements?

translated from french with google translate.

More on Origas and Jouret and Templar and quasi Masonic groups.

So it could be to do with arms smuggling / dealing, that could easily account for all the deaths, by any number of agencies or criminal gangs.

France has long teetered at the brink of facism, this sounds as bad as the CIA; "SAC: Civic Action Service
Founded in 1959 in order to provide "unconditional support to the objectives defined by the General", the agency became, over the years, a nebula mixing gangsters, policemen, politicians (the "Mr. Africa" ​​by Charles De Gaulle) and future elected officials (Charles Pasqua).
It was a paramilitary organization that specializes in murder, blackmail, corruption, arms trafficking and drug money laundering "dirty", short, crime in all its forms, and also devoted body and soul to General de Gaulle."

There are errors on the translation, such as the brief case was missing (introuvable) after the aircrash, so here is the original http://www.france-secret.com/socsec_art6.htm, I now know why the instructions on my Japanese camera are so infuriating

The large number of deaths has had a huge impact in France, and it is now almost impossible to start an organisation that looks like it could be a cult, or has any "mystical" conotations, even though from this it is clear that it was very unlikely to have been a "heavens gate" type scenario.

Chimpsky wrote:

Floyd wrote:http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.france-secret.com/socsec_art6.htm&ei=Ef88T_OWFYqs0QWZreTGBw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CGUQ7gEwCA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Djulian%2Borigas%2Bnazi%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DjSh%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26prmd%3Dimvnsob

Initiatory orders or neo-Nazi movements?

translated from french with google translate.

More on Origas and Jouret and Templar and quasi Masonic groups.

So it could be to do with arms smuggling / dealing, that could easily account for all the deaths, by any number of agencies or criminal gangs.

France has long teetered at the brink of facism, this sounds as bad as the CIA; "SAC: Civic Action Service
Founded in 1959 in order to provide "unconditional support to the objectives defined by the General", the agency became, over the years, a nebula mixing gangsters, policemen, politicians (the "Mr. Africa" ​​by Charles De Gaulle) and future elected officials (Charles Pasqua).
It was a paramilitary organization that specializes in murder, blackmail, corruption, arms trafficking and drug money laundering "dirty", short, crime in all its forms, and also devoted body and soul to General de Gaulle."

There are errors on the translation, such as the brief case was missing (introuvable) after the aircrash, so here is the original http://www.france-secret.com/socsec_art6.htm, I now know why the instructions on my Japanese camera are so infuriating

The large number of deaths has had a huge impact in France, and it is now almost impossible to start an organisation that looks like it could be a cult, or has any "mystical" conotations, even though from this it is clear that it was very unlikely to have been a "heavens gate" type scenario.

Yes it is clear that all that many of these movements have aligned themselves with right wing politics and it is highly probable that agencies have used them or infiltrated them to one extent or another. The paranoid anti communist, elitist and anti Semitic Church Universal and Triumphant had a high ranking theologian who was part of a right wing American think tank promoting the Star Wars Military programme. The fraudulent con man and racist Guy Ballard was also influenced by fascist Pelley and his idea of placing St Germain on the the throne of the White House was in many ways a metaphor for placing an Aryan Master at the helm of the New Atlantis in the USA.

St Germain appears again as a figure head for right wing supremacism with Mark and Elizabeth Prophet's cult but also with Julien Origas founder of the prototype of the Solar Temple. Both he and Origas had been part of Nazi organisations or neo nazi political movements. Origas working under his thousands of year old master St Germain, who was clearly a mythical front for extreme rightist occultism, Templar mythology and neo nazism. Jouret was connected to right wing terrorist attacks in Canada. There have also been allegations of child cruelty and paedophilia levelled against Jouret's cult also.

The Solar Temple, a direct descendent of the fanatical Origas' ORT was in many ways nothing more than a front for money laundering and gun running whilst espousing extreme right politics under the auspices of hidden masters that no one ever actually saw. There is no doubt however that its leaders , where schizoid superlative types who believed that an elect new race would survive the impending apocalypse.

Another good example of religious cults being a front for far right paranoia and fronts for intelligence agencies is the Moonies or Reverend Moon's Unification Church and you can read about his involvement with intelligence agencies here.
http://www.cuttingedge.org/News/n1818.cfm

In a similar fashion, some of the the contactee religions have also been used to push an extreme right wing agenda, including the advocation of spiritual eugenics as has been detailed throughout this thread.

It is clear many new religions and cults are much more than what they appear to be.

Thats a cracking article you've found there, Floyd.

My own take on ALL evangelists is that they are actually performing a "black mass" everytime they do the "speaking in tongues".In the Bible it is quite clear that when they speak in tongues, they are talking in real languages previously unknown to the person speaking.

However when evangelists do this they are producing hideous sounds, nonsense, and animal noises, which is some thing that properly belongs to the black mass and the sabat.

It comes as no suprise to find there is such a money trail, there are a lot of "anomalies" with these evangelical "churches", Al-Jazeera did an excellent documentary on how these organisations are promoted in the US military, especially in theatre.( Which again begs the question; who is funding these people ?)

Whilst I'm on the corruption of Christians, the recent changing of the words "God" and "Lord" to yahweh in most Bibles is also part of the satanic agenda, as yahweh is the "dark" or Sinister power of the Moon, opposed to Jehova the "White" or good power of the Moon, meaning that millions are now praying to a sinister lunar deity.

Chimpsky wrote:Thats a cracking article you've found there, Floyd.

Well. Its a bit Christian heavy, nevertheless there are some excellent revelations about Moon and his connections in there which makes it worth the admission fee alone.
As for Jehovah. Moon deity or otherwise. (noticed the word Reverend Moon)

And so.... Julian Origas, Nazi, and esoteric Templar forms the Renewed Order of the Temple. Origas claims himself of the new King of Jerusalem.

His Master, along with others come from an underground Kingdom in the hollow earth known as Agartha.

His master was St Germain

St. Germain, the God of Ballard, Prophet and others who have an agenda of far right politics. There is no doubt about this.

The new elite race will be saved by changing their bodies for a new earth.

A guy turns up on Project Avalon with an hooligan and a far right history. His master, 'Germain', who as usual no one has seen, is thousands of years old. He splits the alternative community and makes a move to form an elite group. Many offer themselves. Some leave, others arrive. There is much acrimony.

Is this a new move. An attempt to use the cultism of the special Neo Templars on the conspiracy community? Rich pickings, no? Not been done before.

Under the auspices of the Master? What is his name?

But no one has seen him.

Cult?
Operation?
Farce?
A force for good in the world? But Given those associated with Germain we can only be alarmed. No?

So as we hear about St Germain and his neo nazi affiliates as we have discovered in this thread I wonder who is the master of Charles the founder of the Atticus1 thing
Is it another master?

Can anybody tell us? Is it not St. Germain. Is it another Master? Are we allowed to know?

Any chance of a pic?

Any chance of truthful answer?

Brook tried to dismay me as far as making a response to you Floyd. She said you were baiting us. She's right.

Who is saying this has anything to do with you? Im sure others can speak for themselves if willing.

Its a simple question that requires a simple answer that nobody is willing to give and I am wondering why that is given St Germain's connections to neo nazi groups that are thoroughly documented.

I certainly wasnt asking you.

The silence however speaks volumes.

This ancient Master sounds very similar to that of Julian Origas' mentor.

I can entertain an idea without commiting myself either way, why are people so jumpy on these forums, its only the internet

That atticus thing was interesting from a psychological / social science perspective, but not much else, Whats the big deal with Atticus1 ? Just seems like an obscure small forum with a few harmless people using the internet to socialise, the rest seems like hyperbole really

Are people really afraid of a ficticious character ?

What really brassed me of with PA was the Inelia Benz stuff, that video where Bill was interviewing her, strewth ! I've never cringed so much in my entire life, I couldn't watch more than a couple of minutes.

Chimpsky wrote:I can entertain an idea without committing myself either way, why are people so jumpy on these forums, its only the internet

I thought the inelia stuff was boring myself but at least with the atticus kerfuffle and from a certain perspective one would wonder why an ex football hooligan and extreme rightist would align himself with an imaginary master of neo nazi and right wing groups. Hardly good PR lol. Not particularly well thought it is easy to say.
Clearly any variety of genius was lacking in this thought process
They were good at one thing however and that was dividing the alternative community. Interesting sociological dynamics.


Yeah I can see why there is jumpyness but you are right its a forum and people do need to relax sometimes.
Guess some people are a bit precious.

Floyd wrote:Who is saying this has anything to do with you? Im sure others can speak for themselves if willing.

Its a simple question that requires a simple answer that nobody is willing to give and I am wondering why that is given St Germain's connections to neo nazi groups that are thoroughly documented.

I certainly wasnt asking you.

The silence however speaks volumes.

This ancient Master sounds very similar to that of Julian Origas' mentor.

So does this thread have exclusive limits as to who responds or not, like a list perhaps of members who can respond?

The silence however speaks volumes. You can say that again. Glad you finally took notice, Mr. Smith.

Chimpsky wrote:I can entertain an idea without commiting myself either way, why are people so jumpy on these forums, its only the internet

That atticus thing was interesting from a psychological / social science perspective, but not much else, Whats the big deal with Atticus1 ? Just seems like an obscure small forum with a few harmless people using the internet to socialise, the rest seems like hyperbole really

Are people really afraid of a ficticious character ?

What really brassed me of with PA was the Inelia Benz stuff, that video where Bill was interviewing her, strewth ! I've never cringed so much in my entire life, I couldn't watch more than a couple of minutes.

You hit the nail on the head Chimpsky, on the Atticus thing. It is exclusive to keep out folks who act like trolls or agents. Imagine that? Trolls and agents who don't have a life and have to suck on something like a forum to feel alive. They are everywhere to. Atticus is cool in my book. The people there are cool too. But you have to meet and then grow to know them. Kind of like here. No difference. Calling them a cult is an asinine statement and just demonstrates the awareness level of some folks in such matters. Thanks for your balanced statements.

Lionhawk wrote: Atticus is cool in my book.

Why I am not suprised.

Is chimpsky on your payroll by any chance lol.

You never know these days lol

Dear oh dear

My advice would be..avoid him, Atticus blah blah, his master and all the dark energies that follow them, like the plague.

You can see the rest.

Getting back on topic, it is difficult to find info on Julian Origas unless one speaks french.

But the good news is that we can around it.

What we do know about him is that he had an ancient master that came from a mystical kingdom underground called Agatha. St Germain or other pseudo twits are always looking for new right wing recruits bless them.

His theory (Origas') was that there would be a new race who would change their bodies and become part of an elite nonsense.



I find the whole Atticus nonsense deeply satanic. It is clear as you look across the boards that many relate. Few take it seriously apart from its members.

I doubt many of its current members will be involved in it in 12 months time. Many have already left, even before its proper inception and more will leave in the future. The organisation as a whole will probably flirt with insignificance within three years if not sooner.

No mater how many forums it infiltrates, it will, now, after its first disastrous attempt, be ignored, apart from the special call of the few.

Like all badly organised cults it wont last long.

If you want to put money it I will do so gladly.

One has to remember that to change this planet we have to do so from consciousness..not from an elite group.

Floyd said,
"One has to remember that to change this planet we have to do so from consciousness."

There is nothing wrong with this Planet. Why would you want to change her? At what level of consciousness did you ascertain that statement from?

The rest of the spew is rumor milling. You are not in the know as to the Atticus group. You just seem to like throwing your distaste around as if it counts some how. Typical gossiping. Plus the rest of the contradictions.

Chimpsky is on his own payroll. As others have visited this thread and attempted to raise the consciousness level with their balanced contributions, they have basically left the building, willingly I might add. Now with your comments, I think Chimpsky has left the building. I thought you had noticed this. In any regard, Chimpsky didn't deserve what you dished out. And he is just one example of your graciousness or level of consciousness, which ever you prefer.

You say the Atticus cult won't last 3 years? The Atticus cult doesn't exist so how can it last for 3 years? Only in your own consciousness with all the Satanic tags you have prescribed to it.

I hope you don't mind if I stick around. I think you have great potential and I wouldn't mind sticking around to see that potential actually manifest into something greater. As I have said, "I am not giving up on you."