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hehe, this is very cute. I appreciate this candor a lot. These are the things that make me smile. Specially the learning curve thing. I am constantly learning so I can definitely relate.B.B.Baghor wrote:Carol's comment here:
"One of the things I've noticed after Tony and Raven were banned (closing the door to that active energy on the forum where they would also constantly spam other member's threads) is the increase in internet traffic, posting and membership."
Makes me so happy, for I've felt all along, that the presence of the Thuban world here, was an obstacle to many who felt drawn to register and/or actively post and share with others. I've meant to discuss this often, but the freedom to share as one of MoA's rules, made me decide to leave it. And instead, leave this place for some fresh air, a break, finding new perspectives. As I see it now, I myself had as much freedom to share, sharing my view on it, although I would have done it probably through a pm to Carol and others. That's another learning curve
orthodoxymoron wrote:I call it "Masturbation of the Mind"!! It's actually quite enjoyable -- but then I guess I'm a sucker for "Tough-Love"!!
Yes, good observation, i was not asked. But i did it anyway.Spregovori wrote:You are free to share your thoughts and experiences with people in any place. The only thing here is that, you were not asked to do it. It was of your own volition and as a forum member you have this "right" and ability to do so.
spec·u·la·tionSpregovori wrote:Speculation by itself implies an error. Be it in judgement or the methods or both.
No. It is not that simple.Spregovori wrote:People will be informed and will make their own minds?
I know nobody asked me to inform them.Spregovori wrote:People (had) already made their own minds even before this thread here. They did not ask you to inform them, this goes for the lurkers too. What you write might give confirmation to what they think - parts they agree with, the rest will be ignored.
And maybe it didn't cross your mind yet but, it could be that i had this impulse, that i felt this inner calling to do this because someone somewhere, maybe not even now, but in the future, will need to know and will seek my words and will take into consideration what i have to say, and maybe that will turn out to be important even if it is for a single lineage.SuiGeneris wrote:It is not completely dead yet, and it will still be alive so long there is a single person believing in it; and this is exactly the reason why I feel what I’m doing has to be done. Since this Thuban amm…”program” was ‘downloaded’ into the Matrix, incepted into the mind of someone alive at this time on Earth, that alone has made a record of it in the Akash and as a result of this it is now able to be ‘downloaded’ by others also. It is available to download and install into your own personal vessel in order to run its program to a T. IF the soul allows it. Now, the truth about “Thuban”, as a cult, as a group, as an idea, as a sect as whatever anyone wants to take it as, was nowhere to be found. It only existed in the memory of a few of us who had actually gone through the developing of that “experiment” from day one. When I first realized this I knew I had to do it somehow.
Spregovori wrote:Despondency is, curiously, fairly common these days and i would not say thuban itself is a cause for that.
Just because you cannot see it does not mean it is not there. Thuban 'datastream' is not intended to help any human exit the matrix. It is intended to maximize hybridization potentials to benefit a race who sees humans as nothing but monkeys.Spregovori wrote:I would say people with an already preexisting condition seek out what might give them something new, something different, some glimmer of hope or just simply something to play around with in their minds. How thuban might affect their condition can not be generalized.
Spregovori wrote:Without the sex part thuban would have a chance to not just be a group but a movement. Just a thought, not relevant to the topic. I will go along with your stance and will not touch upon the details.
Spregovori wrote:Well yes his reactions, in regard to women, were that of a human male.
Spregovori wrote:If it is related to demiurge (Enlil), which is to be the false god, the pretender god, the christian bible god, the jewish god...one hidden branch (of the two)....same father, different mother... If you say thuban is in its service...then how is it off topic?
SuiGeneris wrote:
Yes of course. And if i forget any detail please remind me.
Spregovori wrote:Might be the right timet for me to say that...and you can correct me if i am wrong...that:
- you in general agree with the thuban databank since it is not the thuban databank as you say, it is merely borrowed existing data put under a thuban label
Spregovori wrote:- there is an agenda behind if, for which you say is not what it is claimed. you say the agenda is actually a reptilian one (be it a memeplex or a real one)
Spregovori wrote:- what you dislike most about thuban is how this databank is being used/applied
Spregovori wrote:- the sexuality itself is also not a problem for you, the problem is (again) the usage of it
Spregovori wrote:- what you also dislike is how you personally were treated, which is also what caused you to slam the door and you also never liked how others (those on the inside and outside) were treated, you dislike the management
Spregovori wrote:- what you wish to keep people away from is them being misused to fuel the archetypes thuban stands for, you wish to strip thuban of its meta power and you hope posting here (or like this) can help achieve that
Sanicle wrote:Poor 'Rich' (the author of the comments that Paul posted above) really seems to be suffering.Do you know when it was posted at Lightworkers Paul? I'm wondering if it was around the same time that he contacted the Thubans, as Sui Generis mentioned in her posts. And, I have to ask, are you 'Rich' by any chance Paul?
Warning :A Revelation firefly Yesterday at 11:58 pmFrom my own experience with this type of writing a message appearing to be from a 'high' source is often how it begins, to reel us in, but it can all degenerate from there. I'll reply more to firefly on the thread she initially wrote it on so as not to distract too much from Xeia's thread here.firefly wrote:However, a couple of months after she received this message she had a complete turn around and rejected all that was written an no longer believes in God or his son, but has mentioned that she feels there is a force in the universe. She was a vegetarian and now not only eats meat but has her own live animals for consumptions. To me it seems like someone or something has messed with her mind.
) with many lessons to be learned at multiple levels. Also, upon further reflection it was a revelation to understand from the experience of too much hormones and not enough hormones - how one's sex drive is regulated and the dragon (Kraken) awakened. by sticking with my own inner sense of spiritual integrity.) 
Spregovori wrote:There is no such thing as "equal terms" on the battlefield. There is just victory by cunning, brutality, superiority in numbers and means...or a defeat.
Some make it, some don't, why save just some, cant save them all.
I think it is not worth your time, not that it is a crime. Large majority simply does not care. They would not mind to get some of that dragon air.
Who are you helping? That few, maybe just one, wretched soul. What will that change, if anything at all.
Those who are offered the thuban "ways of things"...haven't they the free will to decide for themselves, such as yourself? Let them take one of those rings.
Look, a cupcake, have a taste. You like that, yes? Now, let me serve you some icing...dab slowly, feel the taste in your mouth...swallow.
Here a portal i open for you, now if you dare...go on...step through.
There is for a type of people. There is for the warrior. Warriors uphold a different set of values than everybody else and live their lives accordingly. Words like honor and loyalty are not just words to them. But only warriors understand this. Like Bruce Lee for example. You speak of physical war...this is a spiritual war too, a mental war, a metaphysical war right now that has its consequences on the physical plane as we speak...the resolution of which is still yet to be seen. Your words indicate that you think fighting in a war is futile, your actions indicate that you want to be neutral and impartial including regarding thuban playing devil's advocate...Tony is proud of you i am sure. Just because you have found nothing in your life worth fighting for doesn't mean there is actually nothing in life worth fighting for. There is always Love. There is a battlefield yes. A very real live active one and it is not just on a physical region of the planet. So there are in fact many fronts and it is all very dynamic. What you see with your physical eyes is not the all. Cunning can turn into virtue when you are trying to defend yourself and your loved ones against an evil than ensues. Cunningness, artful deception, dexterity, craftiness, being able to adapt in performance and alike skills are characteristics that not only the bad people can have but also the good people can have and should have, if they want to be able to see beyond and overcome the enemy. being brutal is ugly, but there is a very clear distinction between fighting with rage and fighting with furor and courage. If you don't understand this difference try imagining a fight between the orcs and the elves in Lord of the Rings. Defeat...If you see yourself already defeated, you will see no point in fighting. You will never give yourself any real chance of winning; then how could you expect to help anyone else from this position. Perhaps this is why you think it is not worth my time. But this is only because you still remain stuck on the very purpose of this thread. Who in you is really resenting this so? It is nice to think of a utopia, of a world without war, but then what would the alternative be? if it is anything like in this film "The Giver" then i don't want it.Spregovori wrote:There is no such thing as "equal terms" on the battlefield. There is just victory by cunning, brutality, superiority in numbers and means...or a defeat.
If you can't save them all you do not save anyone? This is not clear to me, what you tried to say here. In any situation I save who I can, but you cannot save anyone if you do not save yourself first, if you wish to help by example. In a swift situation of life and death then you save according to your priorities and your heart. Maybe you think i believe i can save this world and that is what you really resent. What make look like a foolish act for you may not be for me. What may look like a selfish act for you may also be an act of kindness at the same time. What if i am selfish and only wish to save myself? I already explained why i felt i couldn't remain quiet. I am sorry if i did not explain myself to your liking. But i wanted the truth to be known, to be at least...available somewhere. I know...at least 'my' truth. The hardest battles in this end of history are one against oneself and they happen so deep...in silence...without anyone noticing. Nevertheless i know the results have great consequences that echos in other places...in other times. In any case I cannot save those who do not want to be saved...but even then, on the worst of circumstances, some women try. You do not know the immense power of resilience in women. Knowing this I bid mySelf 'Wings and good Wind', so I shall succeed in my one...selfish...act.Spregovori wrote:Some make it, some don't, why save just some, cant save them all.
You are trying to save me my time. It is a very nice opinion but i do no concern myself with majorities, or handle myself based on what they might or might not care. Yes, i am sure many would, hence my actions.Spregovori wrote:I think it is not worth your time, not that it is a crime. Large majority simply does not care. They would not mind to get some of that dragon air.
Maybe there is one thing you are not considering. What if this person i am helping is myself, in another time, in another place, in another body of my same lineage. And what if 'reincarnation' is happening now at the same time...then, I salute the me on them...over there.Spregovori wrote:Who are you helping? That few, maybe just one, wretched soul. What will that change, if anything at all.
I am not obstructing free will, I am energizing Free Will. I am shining a Light from the shadow, so that the Self could see the all and not just a portion. Only then Free Will can be protected.Spregovori wrote:Those who are offered the thuban "ways of things"...haven't they the free will to decide for themselves, such as yourself? Let them take one of those rings.
Spregovori wrote:Look, a cupcake, have a taste. You like that, yes? Now, let me serve you some icing...dab slowly, feel the taste in your mouth...swallow.
In its beginnings, Tony spoke a lot about Integration. It caught my attention because i knew about the concept of integrating the shadow, and what better way to practice self taming than in a place where everything is freely exchanged without any taboos, mirrored back at you. This was the theory presented anyway. What was most alluring to me was the possibility to actually put into practice what we as people already knew in theory. A chance of overcoming the faults of the self i thought. It was a fascinating idea for me to see that attempted in a group of many, or at least in a pair. I became intrigued about what it could manifest if successful. During the first couple of years we talked about negative emotions but in a set environment of mutual respect and friendship, so there were also many positive emotions involved, not only talked about but actually felt. Speaking for myself i can say at least i felt them. So it felt safe to be involved in a project when you are assured your opinion has value, and i was under the impression my ideas were being integrated into the greater structure in order to help a common goal of helping bringing in the new world as we were told. They weren't. Only my energy was, and it was being integrated to help the common goal of a single Logos directive. The truth only became apparent much later. There was never any real debate on the inside, whenever it was attempted, you could see there was a single guiding force all leading up to one mindframe. This happened very slowly and very subtle on the mental level.Sanicle wrote:There’s much been written about the appetites of the reptilian species and how they feed on our (mainly) negative emotional and sexual energies and it’s impossible not to notice that the instructions given to the Thubans, flowing over to their readers, promotes the expression of such, both openly and subtly. Smorgasbord time for them through their links, clearly with the intention of making it a bigger and bigger feast over time. As part of this pattern so often see, our softer emotions, like love and compassion, are used to manipulate us to their cause initially during that process, but once they believe they have you hooked, the instruction begins to come through that you should think more like they do, without such ‘weak sentimentality’ if you truly want to be one with them. Ho-hum. (To be fair though, I can see, on a purely mental level, why they perceive our gentler emotions to be a waste of energetic expression when you have the type of goals they do and when such emotions can so readily be ignored by such as them.)
To my mind, looking at the situation in purely black and white terms, if Tony is the main facilitator between them and the rest of humanity then he should have been strengthened by all the energies presumably flowing through him, both ways, particularly if the source truly is the ‘Logos’ as claimed. You can look at that dynamic so many different ways, none of them flattering to the source of these directives. Parasites………yes.
What caused the rattling of the door, and why does this seem to happen to some people and not others? What do you think is the determining factor for these 'visitations'?Sanicle wrote:I was taught long ago that the mere act of closing a door for privacy on this level has the effect of presenting a barrier to those on the subtle levels as well, as our WILL to have that privacy for ourselves makes it so there. This has been proven to me to be truth. (Actually, just this past weekend, I was visited by something nasty. I appear to have developed clairolfactance over past months and the powerful stench of this being was that of rotten meat. I didn't notice it until I went to the bathroom and shut the door and that's when the stench came to me, accompanied by strong rattling of said door. It had to give up in the end as I had no fear of it so no link/hook was able to be made with me.) As is said so often, what you believe, but moreso what you KNOW to be true, is your defense against all from those realms. They can only do to you what you believe they can and/or allow them to.
What you said about trust is true and perhaps i was naive, but i never liked doing things half way or whenever i liked something i always put all my heart into it otherwise it doesn't feel real. It is true that there is power in numbers but i was never after power, i was after the secret of Love. I might have been careless at some point but i wasn't blinded, at least not by me. i didn't change my essence, the direction of the group is what changed because its guru changed and we were all blinded by the deception. I am aware of fluidity...the realm of the soul is fluid. Everything is subject to change is a great truth yes, my thoughts change, my feelings change, but i feel that Spirit never changes. I liked what you said about defining your goals. In my case, my goal is to achieve total freedom, then my orientation is in place and my strategy put in action but these strategies are ever fluid and i must redefine them as i go. I must have room to do that on my own...by my Self, but it ended up that Thuban never gave us that choice. A 'freedom' give by another...bestowed upon you IF you follow this or that directive is no freedom at all.mudra wrote:I think we enter in cult like relashionship when we give someone our trust so fully that we go go there heart and soul. And in a way this gives us power for we now have a group backing us but it also makes us blind or careless as we forget everything is subject to change always.It is our responsability to constantly define our goals with clarity and accept when the time comes that these may not be in alignment with those of the group we gave our allegiance to in the first place. That way we can outgrow any place we feel trapped in and keep our own space whole.
When I hear of your story Sui I can't help but being reminded of the butterfly finding it's way out of the cocoon realizing the bounderies that were once his to grow no longer serve their purpose and must be left behind.
Much Love for you
mudra
I will tell you my approach.B.B.Baghor wrote:The magic that began to unfold from then on is a great surprise and very welcome, for things began to unfold in a way that was beneficial to my being and my life in all aspects. I began to create my reality based on that new attitude. If I'm right, I tend to see the step that Sui Generis takes, the liberation from the Thuban Sex Cult, as chosen in a similar stance or calibre. Regarding the cutting of strings and attachments, although it's an understandable action, it usually isn't effective on the long run. Naturally, the effect is relative to the strength of the string or contract. When it concerns a one time event, it's relatively easy to let go, although the impact of it can be very strong. When it concerns a long connection with a person, or a group, also through more than 1 lifetime, it's often a more complex attachment.
Indeed, but the ones who do, know their responsibility and they don't bear that burden lightly.B.B.Baghor wrote:I've learned a thing or two in how those actions or attitudes of others, which cause me to feel hooked, hurt and abandoned, find their way into my energy-system, due to unclear or missing boundaries. We speak here of autonomy and awareness of what happens in one's energetic playground and about discernment of what's owned as one's own and what's entering as energy of others. In the trainings of intuitive development, that's called "Dealing a blow to a person's 3rd chakra" it's a forceful attempt to bend another person's personal will. By projecting one's own. See what I mean? It makes little difference if this happens in the 3D world, or in the virtual world. Although a physical presence may offer an acuteness of sensation, when expressed also a chance to discuss.... what on Earth.....? is happening.
Often participants in such an experience, are unaware of those kind of energetic acrobatics. Most of us don't receive an education on that sort of things, do we?
The empty space inside is an illusion, in the sense that no one should ever go and seek...to fill. From the soul's perspective the hurt is real, the disappointments, the feelings are real and when you perceive you lose something or when you think you lack you go and seek to fill. But in truth there is nothing to fill. When you look at yourself from the Spirit's perspective you know you are already whole.B.B.Baghor wrote:Fill up any empty space in your energy-system that you find present. Drink water and eat something as a treat.
I like this advise and i agree. people should be more conscious and kinder to themselves. Love themselves properly.B.B.Baghor wrote:Take your time to let go of tears or laughter, both forms of healing and clearing. Eat something. Become familiar with having ended the contract and get settled, adjusting your physical body and energy-system to the new situation and new experience of your-self. You may find a need for much sleep, swimming, quietude and silence, your presence in nature. Allow yourself a rest of 3 days, if possible. At least, be gentle with yourself for some time, while adjusting to a greater sense of freedom.
Sanicle wrote:Brilliant post Xeia.
This is interesting...Aquaries1111 wrote:Spregovori wrote:Look, a cupcake, have a taste. You like that, yes? Now, let me serve you some icing...dab slowly, feel the taste in your mouth...swallow.
Here a portal i open for you, now if you dare...go on...step through.
Come on... let's step through.
Hi koR
...how cute Carol wrote:Sui, I truly appreciate your courage in all of this and sharing your story as this has cleared up quite a few questions I've had regarding Tony's relationship with the dragons. Pretty much anyone can learn how to go into an altered state of consciousness and channel some type of entity from another dimension.. and subsequently become self-delusionalbelieving everything that is channeled. One just needs to keep in mind the TRICKSTER element in these types of communications.
SuiGeneris wrote:Sanicle wrote:I was taught long ago that the mere act of closing a door for privacy on this level has the effect of presenting a barrier to those on the subtle levels as well, as our WILL to have that privacy for ourselves makes it so there. This has been proven to me to be truth. (Actually, just this past weekend, I was visited by something nasty. I appear to have developed clairolfactance over past months and the powerful stench of this being was that of rotten meat. I didn't notice it until I went to the bathroom and shut the door and that's when the stench came to me, accompanied by strong rattling of said door. It had to give up in the end as I had no fear of it so no link/hook was able to be made with me.) As is said so often, what you believe, but moreso what you KNOW to be true, is your defence against all from those realms. They can only do to you what you believe they can and/or allow them to.
What caused the rattling of the door, and why does this seem to happen to some people and not others? What do you think is the determining factor for these 'visitations'?
Xeia
Sanicle wrote:SuiGeneris wrote:Sanicle wrote:I was taught long ago that the mere act of closing a door for privacy on this level has the effect of presenting a barrier to those on the subtle levels as well, as our WILL to have that privacy for ourselves makes it so there. This has been proven to me to be truth. (Actually, just this past weekend, I was visited by something nasty. I appear to have developed clairolfactance over past months and the powerful stench of this being was that of rotten meat. I didn't notice it until I went to the bathroom and shut the door and that's when the stench came to me, accompanied by strong rattling of said door. It had to give up in the end as I had no fear of it so no link/hook was able to be made with me.) As is said so often, what you believe, but moreso what you KNOW to be true, is your defence against all from those realms. They can only do to you what you believe they can and/or allow them to.
What caused the rattling of the door, and why does this seem to happen to some people and not others? What do you think is the determining factor for these 'visitations'?
Xeia
That is rather a large question to answer Xeia as there could be various answers dependent on the situation and the beings involved IMO.
As regards the door rattling it was the same you’d hear when a really strong gust of wind hits against an outside door or window. This was an inside door however and I can only assume that there was a strong influx of energy forced up against the door in an attempt to get through it. I know astral beings (including humans having an out of body experience) can manipulate energy thus through an effort of will backed by strong emotions, having experienced it before in different ways. I’ll give you a couple of examples.
Many long years ago a very irate ‘friend’ was unhappy with the lack of attention he was receiving while I was quietly doing some research on the computer, so he gave me a blow to the solar plexus which resulted in me feeling instantly sick and dizzy. I had to lie down on the cold floor in the bathroom for around half an hour before the sickness passed. This happened more than once. Another time, this same possessive and angry soul also took his temper out on a male friend of mine whom I was quite taken with. While this man was driving in the country, the jealous one caused his car to veer off the road into a tree. And yes, that dear friend died in the accident. Obviously that still upsets me………a lot.
So I would say that it most probably depends on who is hanging around you in each case and how intense their temper is, if they have the knowledge of directing their will in this way, and if they seek to cause harm and/or fear in this realm for purposes of their own. Most will wait to deal with you in the astral when you sleep which is a much fairer way of battling you, as there you have the same power of will to use to protect yourself against them IF you know how to use it. Or maybe some are just too impatient to wait for you to go to sleep.
I think it’s also fair to say that many may have been attacked like this from the astral but may not have recognized it consciously as being that or, more likely, would refuse to acknowledge that such a thing is possible and chosen to ‘forget’ it.
) and I'm now wondering if it might depend also on the type of entity making the attack, whether it be human or of some other origin.
