My Liberation from the Thuban Sex Cult

MCJosiah wrote:This cult just proves that any believe system or ideas can be used for control. This man is taking metaphysical science, elements of "true love" ideas(I say it that way cause I can't come up with words), elements of various religions, & mashing them together into a crazy sex polygamy harem cult. That does sound like something a hippy would definitely do(since you said he was one in his prime). Let me start by breaking each of these downs. This man uses Science & elements of religions(specifically metaphysical Science & elements of Eastern Religions & New Age), to channel various entities & control the various energy's of people around him for selfish & terrible reasons. While metaphysical Science & Science in general is obviously not bad & is much needed to understand this multiverse we live in, it is a tool that can be used for good or bad.

MCJosiah wrote:It can also be used as a tool of control, just like any organized Religion or Religious text, & just like almost any ideology or idea can be. A good example of this is mainstream Orthodox Science with Darwinism. Despite not being fully proven, & even been disproven in many cases it claims, Darwinism has become the major element in mainstream Orthodox Science. Darwinism is pushed like a religion by the state in many public school systems & from late elementary school all the way to collage is forced down the minds of late children, teenagers, & young adults. Many first world governments across the word who are controlled by the PTB(either directly or indirectly) force Darwinism in a similar way, brain washing people all over the world into believing it & locking mainstream Orthodox Science into a cage, forcing scientists in it too trying to describe the origins of man & life in completely terrestrial &  a "naturalistic" & "3-D" terms.

MCJosiah wrote:Scientists or anybody for the matter who trys to question it or comes with an Theory that's much more reasonable but does not describe human origins in completely "terrestrial", " Natural ", or " 3-D" will get labeled as crazy, conspiracy theorists, or some other nasty terms. Any Theory that someone comes up with that might even seem "Supernatural", even if its much more plausible & has much more backing, will get called crazy & people will automatically reject it without actually thinking about it. You see what's going on here?  

MCJosiah wrote:Now with the whole elements of "true love", what I'm talking about here is erotic sex. What this man does is takes the idea of "erotic sex" & twist it for his own selfish desires. While I do believe sex should be erotic, I believe it is something that should be between 2 individuals who truly love each other, individuals who love each other for the connection they have soul wise, that's what makes it erotic.

MCJosiah wrote:What this man is doing is taking just straight up sex & labeling it "erotic sex". Using this twisted false form of " erotic sex" & mixing it with his twisted form of "metaphysics", he can bring in & trick various people, manly woman, into his sex cult, building a huge polygamy harem.

MCJosiah wrote:This guy is a genius, but very corrupted & is using metaphysics, & lies for his own selfish desires.  

MCJosiah wrote:It's good you left & your exposing him. If you wanna know how I know about you, its cause I've been lurking around your sites(not too sound like a stalker) manly cause I love reading & studying things on the PTB(Powers That Be), the AIF(Alien Invader Force), Aliens & space in general, Science & metaphysics, history & things on the world, & also Supernatural stuff. The people I manly study are Wes Penre, the LPG-C, the Pleadians, & other various sources. But I've been lurking around studying what you have to say.

So cool of you to come out and say hi and expressed your thoughts about this. I think it is nice when we all share our experiences and learn from each other. So comforting to know there is always good people who help you get up after you trip and fall, to have friends and know we can lean on each other; that makes the journey so much more bearable and fun and many times worth it just for the people we meet along the way.

Big Kiss  

Shine bright Josiah!

Sanicle wrote:
 
I also had to smile wryly when I read that you were told, “‘But Xeia, the real ET’s are the plants and animals…you must love them all cosmically while you can go $%*# yourself because I despise your human mind.’” It reminded me of when I first looked at the Thuban stuff and spoke up in objection to some of what Tony wrote re these ‘dragons’ taking over – possessing - the animals and plants In this reality.  I took serious offence to that on their behalf and was told by Tony that he was only speaking “symbolically”. Now I’ve read what was said to you – well – I’m sure you can well imagine what I’m thinking now.      


Oh, I also wanted to include this quote from our friend Mudra's Don Juan Matus thread:

To defend is to act from a point of self-importance which can cause imbalance and create anger and ill-will. Many people, basically fundamentalists of any belief, will defend the fixated position of their assemblage point in order to preserve and maintain the patterns and stories as they perceive them and even attempt to impose those patterns upon others no matter how superfluous their stored data has become. For a warrior, it is a waste of energy to defend the position of an assemblage point when the point is to keep the assemblage point fluid.

http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t986p180-the-teachings-of-don-juan-matus#118310

Maybe you'll be able to relate to that as much as I did when I read it.

Thank you, Sanicle   so good to see you here. I say cheers to your point of view,
regarding what Tony meant "symbolically" by calling the real ET's the beings of the animal/plantworld.

That teaching of Don Juan is awesome "Keeping the assemblage point fluid" Yes to that, wholeheartedly!
I love the femalewarrior publications that mudra shares with us here. It keeps me in touch with Don Juan's
teachings, for the whole set of pinguin pockets is still in my home in Holland. That fluidity is what I meant to convey in the post present in this thread, about Oranda, the meaning of this noun and verb:

" The nature of the N. American indian-warrior required knowledge of the prevailing rules in diplomacy, of tribes they visited, the art of moving and juggling between arguments of parties and to be in the know of secrets and history, that created relationships of all kinds".

B.B.Baghor wrote:Hello Sui-Generis, I don't think we've met before, really, but I salute you for such clarity of mind and courage of heart.
Thank you very much! Your recent posts here, this Spirit's stance, reading them offers great relief to me, for I've known always,
that the Thuban world was a "no go" area to me. I've ignored that world, while registering in Project Camelot and later Avalon,
end of 2009. Only last year I began to reply to Thubans, present here. Mainly with shilo. I've always made clear that I cannot
and will not accept the ridiculing and gossip behind member's back, in the chat-room. Why on Earth these needed to be shared
in Thuban posts I can't grasp fully. Of course, I have my thoughts about it, but let's leave that for now.

Now, as you can see in this image he made, he calls himself "librarian"

Good health to you too and big hug


Xeia Kali SuiGeneris

SuiGeneris wrote:

B.B.Baghor wrote:Hello Sui-Generis, I don't think we've met before, really, but I salute you for such clarity of mind and courage of heart.
Thank you very much! Your recent posts here, this Spirit's stance, reading them offers great relief to me, for I've known always,
that the Thuban world was a "no go" area to me. I've ignored that world, while registering in Project Camelot and later Avalon,
end of 2009. Only last year I began to reply to Thubans, present here. Mainly with shilo. I've always made clear that I cannot
and will not accept the ridiculing and gossip behind member's back, in the chat-room. Why on Earth these needed to be shared
in Thuban posts I can't grasp fully. Of course, I have my thoughts about it, but let's leave that for now.

hi BBB,

I know it looks like ridicule and gossip but the agenda at play here is much deeper than that...i will try to explain the best i can.
Since Tony always said that it is NOT 'Tony the man', that he merely FOLLOWS directives, then i am sure the decision to include these chats was not made by him but came from the beings he works for. When these private chats first began to emerge on published posts and I asked Tony about it, he said it was “record keeping” and left it at that. He always called himself a “scribe” for the ‘logos’…used words like “record keeper” but NOT for the posterity of humans' sake, but for the benefit of the ET’s. He always said the thuban data was for them and not for humans…that it was information only they could understand and decode and use. being this the case i am sure all chats were saved, even though only some were published.

Now, as you can see in this image he made, he calls himself "librarian"

As a dragonisation "facilitator", he is facilitating the flow of information from this plane of significance onto another, as well as from that level into here, so the communication goes both ways and this is very important for people to understand. As a librarian, record keeper and scribe, he is to record absolutely everything the program he follows deems worthy and necessary for its agenda; and since this agenda has to do with the successful hybridization of at least some humanoids, it is necessary for the agenda to gather any and all data concerning their state of mind. "Private" chats then constitute a crucial aspect of this record keeping, as it is in that atmosphere of 'relaxed intimacy' where the deepest parts of the subject's psyche can be observed and analyzed after being properly triggered and handled.

Sharing them publicly then served a double purpose, not only to reach the person on the other end of the chat but to reach a larger audience; increasing the chances certain things said would fish in new potential dragonized hybrids. Since the "inspiration" of the thuban data does not come from the facilitator himself but from a source outside from him, and the facilitator —in this case at least— is very well depleted of energetic CHARGE himself, it is not guaranteed that he will have the same constancy of emotion in order to be able to 'decode' the messages received with the same precision all the time. That is, what he says and how he says on the chatrooms at the specific time that he says it, is not easy to be replicated again and even if he repeats himself a hundred times, it will not have the very same energetic impulse. Why those chats had unique characteristics that 'the agenda' needed spread about and not remained solely on a single person's computer chat history. This is a pattern i observed emerged gradually and went hand in hand with his own physical exhaustion. i would pay attention to the way he would talk to us while in group chat and i learned to recognize the moment when he was ready to share the chat just by the subtle way he changed his tone in his 'speech'.

The chatrooms...this is where the magic happens quite literally. The testing grounds upon which the Dracos are to select and further induce those with whom it was able to create a mental almost parasital symbiotic relationship after a certain time of necessary induction; where the "self-selected" humanoids are found to be either accepting or rejecting the program which later assigns well defined "allegiances" and continue accelerating its agenda on a more individual basis until reaching maximum polarization. By this point the humanoid has lost all independence of thought with connection to Spirit severed. By all intent and purposes this "ex human" is now part of the hive mind of the "Logos" (fig.1), another follower whose sole purpose would be sharing itself (not only mentally but sexually as well, by blood memory or biogenetic transfer) in order to perpetuate, replicate itself further expanding the souls' salvation mentality; which is the complete opposite of the other lineage of humanity, the one who fights for individual sovereignty, individuation and independence of the Self.

Figure 1

Good health to you too and big hug


Xeia Kali SuiGeneris

orthodoxymoron wrote:Try watching the first-four episodes of the 2009-10 version of "V" -- without a break -- followed immediately by the "Unholy Alliance" episode from the second-season. The effect should be quite chilling. It wouldn't surprise me if Earth turns out to be some sort of a "V" Genetics-Laboratory (going way, way, way back). I liked the best aspects of Anna and the "V's" -- and HATED the worst aspects. I'm honestly a "V" -- and I'm related to "Anna". I often feel somewhat like a "Chad Dekker" character (with my meek-demeanor and incessant-questioning). I wonder why "V" got cancelled after only two seasons?? I also wonder what a third season would've been like?! I liked the general idea behind "V" -- but I thought the plot was weak and disjointed. It was impressive -- but it could've been SO Much Better. A few years ago, I could've attended a $100 Dinner at a "V" Celebrity's Home -- but I was broke -- so I didn't go. I wonder what a combination of Stargate SG-1 -- Babylon 5 -- Jupiter Ascending -- Guardians of the Galaxy -- Ex Machina -- and "V" might be like?!

SuiGeneris wrote:

B.B.Baghor wrote:Hello Sui-Generis, I don't think we've met before, really, but I salute you for such clarity of mind and courage of heart.
Thank you very much! Your recent posts here, this Spirit's stance, reading them offers great relief to me, for I've known always,
that the Thuban world was a "no go" area to me. I've ignored that world, while registering in Project Camelot and later Avalon,
end of 2009. Only last year I began to reply to Thubans, present here. Mainly with shilo. I've always made clear that I cannot
and will not accept the ridiculing and gossip behind member's back, in the chat-room. Why on Earth these needed to be shared
in Thuban posts I can't grasp fully. Of course, I have my thoughts about it, but let's leave that for now.

hi BBB,

I know it looks like ridicule and gossip but the agenda at play here is much deeper than that...i will try to explain the best i can.
Since Tony always said that it is NOT 'Tony the man', that he merely FOLLOWS directives, then i am sure the decision to include these chats was not made by him but came from the beings he works for. When these private chats first began to emerge on published posts and I asked Tony about it, he said it was “record keeping” and left it at that. He always called himself a “scribe” for the ‘logos’…used words like “record keeper” but NOT for the posterity of humans' sake, but for the benefit of the ET’s. He always said the thuban data was for them and not for humans…that it was information only they could understand and decode and use. being this the case i am sure all chats were saved, even though only some were published.

.....

The chatrooms...this is where the magic happens quite literally. The testing grounds upon which the Dracos are to select and further induce those with whom it was able to create a mental almost parasital symbiotic relationship after a certain time of necessary induction; where the "self-selected" humanoids are found to be either accepting or rejecting the program which later assigns well defined "allegiances" and continue accelerating its agenda on a more individual basis until reaching maximum polarization. By this point the humanoid has lost all independence of thought with connection to Spirit severed. By all intent and purposes this "ex human" is now part of the hive mind of the "Logos" (fig.1), another follower whose sole purpose would be sharing itself (not only mentally but sexually as well, by blood memory or biogenetic transfer) in order to perpetuate, replicate itself further expanding the souls' salvation mentality; which is the complete opposite of the other lineage of humanity, the one who fights for individual sovereignty, individuation and independence of the Self.

Figure 1

Good health to you too and big hug


Xeia Kali SuiGeneris

Thank you, Sui Generis, for a clear and valuable post. I'm again... as often happens, reminded how my intuition is keen. Sometimes, after communicating with shilo, I felt like there was an energy intruding, a probing almost. I know of shilo's excersizes in telepathically "scan"
members. He decribed these in the chatroom and although I felt that he was accurate in his "perceptions" I also think he was intruding without respect. It felt as if this practice, this intruding in my energy-system, was a one-way-interest to glean info without any warmth in it. But I didn't feel drained of energy, just vaguely annoyed for brief periods of time. I created a boundary at some point, but I had to believe my intuitive hunches to be real. There's a very interesting aspect in putting boundaries, in that by stating my perception as valid, without the need of an outside confirmation by any person or being, a boundary is created as a circle around a centerpoint. I guess I could call that definition.
The definition of self in a non-defensive state, in absence of opposition or merging.... compromize in order to belong (the longing for a hive?)

Your clarification, Sui Generis, is very helpful, for it "fills" in the gaps that were inviting me to fill them by believing my intuition, looking at
them from this point of view now, enriched by reading this post of yours and those of others in this thread. Isn't that peculiar and humorous?
Sanicle, thank you for your take on it, in that recent post of yours, very well put, great.

Carol's comment here:
"One of the things I've noticed after Tony and Raven were banned (closing the door to that active energy on the forum where they would also constantly spam other member's threads) is the increase in internet traffic, posting and membership." makes me so happy, for I've felt all along, that the presence of the Thuban world here, was an obstacle to many who felt drawn to register and/or actively post and share with others. I've meant to discuss this often, but the freedom to share as one of MoA's rules, made me decide to leave it. And instead, leave this place for some fresh air, a break, finding new perspectives. As I see it now, I myself had as much freedom to share, sharing my view on it, although I would have done it probably through a pm to Carol and others. That's another learning curve  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qRYtdYLkQk


Yesterday, I looked into this tubby, several topics discussed in it involve the subject of relationships, symbiotic, parasitical or within a hive-mindset. Regarding Archons, which seem to work towards the robotization of humanity, I wonder if it's possible that their existence is tied in with ours, as living beings in different expressions of form, karmically. At the same time, the possible reason for their presence in our Solar System in connection with us, part of us even? I wonder if that goes for the reptilians too, who seem to invest in humanity's survival but not
in its evolution, according to Simon Parkes, in this tubby.

The survival of a living being without the possibility to evolve, sounds pretty much like a hive-existence. Other (inter-dimensional) beings invest in humanity to encourage survival as well as evolution and to me, freedom of will is inherent to that. Creation with the capacity to transform (change), in a broadening perception and consciousness is  equal to freedom, as I perceive it. I also wonder if Archons and other beings that are only familiar with a hive-mind, serving their own agenda, are created by divine source as much as we humans and other flavors of beings.
A divine source that is indiscernable, in the sense that freedom of experience and creation is allowed fully. Just as itself came into being.

I wonder if their attempts might be of value, in that they're meant to be potential catalysts, for us human beings, part of a "script" in a human-soul-purpose before incarnating, to offer experiences that lead to consciously and intentionally choose LIFE over MACHINE. Warmth over coldness. And directed by free will, create a life as it's meant to be, according one's soul-purpose, moving towards a future and unending evolution. Possibly causing the Archons to transform or transmute, depleted of their abusive power in hive-existence with human beings.
By us stepping in ours. An enlivening of matter and a material manifestation of life's spark. I imagine it done with the element of fire, which to me is the enemy of Archons, seemingly lacking any warmth. The Industrial Revolution might be deliberately introduced by Archons, as it's the introduction of the machine (and the computer). Metal can't stand the fire, except the Ring of Sauron. Isn't his world an Archon world?

And Voldemort's world, with his servants, causing ice-flowers on the windows, sucking the spirit out of the Hogwarth School students in the train? I know of the name Ahriman, the name given to beings that seem to be similar to Archons, by Rudolf Steiner, a visionair and the initiator of antroposophy. The roles of Ahriman and Lucifer are clearly and dramatically expressed in the Mystery Dramas (in German "Mysteriendramen") by euritmy-performances in the Goetheanum in Dornach, each year. Of course it's a matter of taste, if it's appreciated in that way.



I tend to see this year and the following years as positively crucial, in that "stepping in our power." I refrain from stating that it's a task, as a task in a classroom. That's part of the old world. Each of us should find a path to one's liking and chosen destiny. In Steiner's view "der Mensch" the human being, is the one who stands in the middle between Lucifer and Ahriman. Balancing the forces that, to some, feel like conflicting forces, draining life-force energy and to others, the alchemical elements of creator-abilities. I find truth in that and can relate to the latter.
And to this:

Quote“…it should never so much as occur to anyone to attach an iota of guilt to the victim of such a calamity or to withhold compassion in the fullest measure. It must be absolutely clear to an anthroposophist that the karma of these individuals has nothing to do with the guilt to which the catastrophes are due and it should never occur to him to withhold help from anyone because — to put it trivially — he believes in karma and therefore assumes that this destiny was brought on by the man himself. Karma demands of us that we help human beings because we may be sure that our help means something that is written in their karma and will turn that karma in a more favorable direction. Understanding that is based upon the recognition of karma must necessarily lead to compassion; our compassion for the victims of such catastrophes will be all the greater, for our knowledge tells us that there is a collective karma of humanity from which the individual members have to suffer, that just as such happenings are brought about by humanity as one whole, so too must humanity be answerable for them; we must regard such a destiny as our own and help not only out of a spontaneous impulse but because we know that we are involved in the karma of humanity and share the guilt incurred!” End of quote   Rudolf Steiner

Now I can have a proper break in a good way   Thank you all for a great discussion!

Source of quote Rudolf Steiner: https://rileybrad.wordpress.com/2011/04/

Carol wrote:
I probably would have banned Tony and Raven for all the spamming on other people's heads that they did a long time ago if Mercurial has been around to help out.

Sanicle wrote:

 
Suddenly it all adds up (from my perspective) and I found myself having a bit of a chuckle

Spregovori wrote:This thread here can either be an open discussion or daily dose of "yellow press" which people just love, as long as it does not happen to them. Problem is, it can not be an open discussion if a mind is already made up. In this case it can only be a community bashing and cheering one (you) up for making this move.

Spregovori wrote:The databank is there "for all to see". The bad part is that is has "take it or leave it" slogan attached to it and yes, it did not use to be like that at the beginning. I will not speculate on the origins, there is no point in doing that. This is where the "take it or leave it" becomes something of a benefit, you take what you like, you leave the rest and then you simply just move on. If someone else wants to give it energy, let them.

Spregovori wrote:Someone wants to jump off a bridge? By the holy Ignoramus, go(let them) DO IT. Free willy ftw. Never forget that.

Spregovori wrote:Humans do not rule the world. The stupid "mind" of man does.

Spregovori wrote:No, thuban had no need for the sexual element which was later "personalized". Without one, it would more than just took off, it would go to the moon. All doors should ofc always be opened, but you decide what you let through them.

Spregovori wrote:Oh you just had to go into that...

Spregovori wrote:When you mention sharing here, people might be getting all kinds of ideas.
To "clarify" the theory for the reader (was probably already posted at one time i guess): a Core is to be 2 people of opposite gender who share everything including the unconditional love and all the romance and good and bad that comes with it and are together as one. Their bodies however "extend" to those of others. The mental loyalty is to be exclusive "old world" 1-1 marriage like. The physical not. One is meant to enjoy others via its Core. Something which was said is being wrongly manifested in homosexuality or changing gender. As your Core is having an intercourse the other Core partner is to feel the sensation via him/her as him/her. The difference from swinging here is the mental presence or the "state of mind" one is to have during the act. One is to "include" others with the mind as to "bring them in". Most notably that other is to be the Core partner. Because then "He will be in the midst of them". That is theory. Weather or not such an "energetic exchange" can be misused, hijacked, taken advantage of...etc that is again (without the proper concept) a speculation.

Spregovori wrote:You mention demiurge....just to provide the concept on this and then to relate it to thuban, you can "write a book about it".

Spregovori wrote:Yes he sent her the ring, in spite of "there is no marriage in heaven", yet this came later as circumstances changed. Here i can agree with you that some of the "databank" was "personalized" (adjusted) in this manner. It did however hurt him, a lot. The feelings were/are true and this is important to mention since you are putting his character on the spot here.

Spregovori wrote:Ok see you mention fallout in regard to spirit and kali yuga. What is which, what are you telling these people here or to whomever is reading this. Where are you taking it from? What makes it different from thuban? Do you see the point?

Spregovori wrote:Do you want to be rational about your experience and share it with whoever due to whatever, or do you want to counter one super abstract cluster with another?

Spregovori wrote:You have established that human belief is a juice for manifestation. Good. We are the battery in so many ways, as it was also depicted in so many ways already. Your further point being (at least i think so) that thuban is working in service of a demiurge?

Spregovori wrote:You know it would really not hurt sometimes to write less and say more. But since you did bring that up

Spregovori wrote:"To you, therefore, I say what I say, and write what I write. And the writing is this. Of the universal Æons [periods, planes, or cycles of creative and created life in substance and space, celestial creatures] there are two shoots, without beginning or end, springing from one Root, which is the power invisible, inapprehensible silence [Bythos]. Of these shoots one is manifested from above, which is the Great Power, the Universal Mind ordering all things, male, and the other, [is manifested] from below, the Great Thought, female, producing all things. Hence pairing with each other, they unite and manifest the Middle Distance, incomprehensible Air, without beginning or end. In this is the Father Who sustains all things, and nourishes those things which have a beginning and end."Do you spot any correlations to thuban?

Spregovori wrote:And then an "already formed opinion":

Spregovori wrote:So, where to begin?

you could begin considering exactly where you are so you would be able to position yourself according to where you find yourself and what your individual goals are. This is a strategic position. It's like chess. Only once you've seen where the real enemy is only then you can place yourself in a place of strategic opposition...much like in martial arts. If you have studied about the matrix and the grid, and your goal is to exit triumphant, then you could study a little bit about the mechanics of how it is inside this circle. It is a closed circle with a law of eternal return. You do not exit by dying or by suicide, that will only make it harder for you. Your awareness changes after death yes, but you retain the same level of knowledge and spiritual charge even after dying, so dying is not the answer. The work needs to be done while embodied because then it is when you possess the strongest impulse and electrical charge you will need to turn yourself inside out. This circle is at the same time inside a much greater structure. So consider then what that greater structure is and the nature of how it works. Then you will slowly begin to realize the nature of what is being said inside this circle or "Ring", and why WORDS are used the way they are. http://paulapeterson.com/Bock_Saga.html  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMZHfDapoiU

Study everything they tell you to ignore.

If the Odyssey is mainly taught in schools and they want you to ignore the Iliad, devour the Iliad many times over.
If they tell you to read only the new testament and ignore the old testament, study the old testament and pay attention to the old stories.
If they do not teach the Mahabharata at all, you do it on your own.  
If they tell you the old Greek stories are merely fantasy, consider them real and what they would mean to you if they were.
If they tell you to only consider facts that can be proven, don't. Use your instinct instead.
If they tell you you can't know or can't do, trust yourself and know that you can do and that you do know.
If they tell you to focus only on what you are good at then try to better yourself at what you lack.
If they tell you to hope for things and then wait, don't wait. Live your life in a way to make yourself worthy of all you desire instead.
If they tell you be at peace and do nothing, battle for the things you know are right instead. You will find the real peace after you've won. The Pax.
If they tell you do not judge, do it. Use your judgement for all things and at all times.
If they tell you to have no desires, do not go against yourself. Do your own will so long Love is the law that governs you.
If they tell you we are all the same, see how we are but then don't be blind and realize how we are all unique also and fight for your own individuality.
If they tell you love everything and everyone, use discernment and you will realize where the fault is on that.

Above all begin by questioning yourself about what your priorities are in life and then ask yourself why and then ask yourself why again and so on. Learn to go deep into yourself and do not be superficial or have horizontal thinking only. Learn to use vertical thinking like the letter "L" also; it goes left and then it goes up. Re-train your mind.

In the Vesica,

Xeia

SuiGeneris wrote:
Yes of course. And if i forget any detail please remind me.

Sanicle wrote:I would like to say at this point that I think some Thubans may have a slightly skewed perception of how those who didn’t get involved may view the whole belief system and the activities therein, especially in relation to it being seen generally as “bad/dirty”.  I think that assumption is unfair and fits in with the view so often expressed by TR in the blogs they posted here that those who don’t go along with it all are stupid Nabsers (or whatever the term was) who are just too tied up in memes to comprehend it all.  Thubans know as little of us as individuals as we know of them and should no more assume than we do.

Carol wrote:Awesome post Sanicle and good tip about closing the door.

One of the things I've notice after Tony and Raven were banned (closing the door to that active energy on the forum where they would also constantly spam other member's threads) is the increase in internet traffic, posting and membership.

Sui, I truly appreciate your courage in all of this and sharing your story as this has cleared up quite a few questions I've had regarding Tony's relationship with the dragons. Pretty much anyone can learn how to go into an altered state of consciousness and channel some type of entity from another dimension.. and subsequently become self-delusional believing everything that is channeled. One just needs to keep in mind the TRICKSTER element in these types of communications.

"In mythology, and in the study of folklore and religion, a trickster is a character in a story (god, goddess, spirit, man, woman, or anthropomorphisation), which exhibits a great degree of intellect or secret knowledge, and uses it to play tricks or otherwise disobey normal rules and conventional behaviour."

Lewis Hyde describes the Trickster as a "boundary-crosser".[2] The Trickster crosses both physical and often breaks societal rules. Tricksters "...violate principles of social and natural order, playfully disrupting normal life and then re-establishing it on a new basis."[3]

Read more about tricksters at this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trickster

Carol wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:Try watching the first-four episodes of the 2009-10 version of "V" -- without a break -- followed immediately by the "Unholy Alliance" episode from the second-season. The effect should be quite chilling. It wouldn't surprise me if Earth turns out to be some sort of a "V" Genetics-Laboratory (going way, way, way back). I liked the best aspects of Anna and the "V's" -- and HATED the worst aspects. I'm honestly a "V" -- and I'm related to "Anna". I often feel somewhat like a "Chad Dekker" character (with my meek-demeanor and incessant-questioning). I wonder why "V" got cancelled after only two seasons?? I also wonder what a third season would've been like?! I liked the general idea behind "V" -- but I thought the plot was weak and disjointed. It was impressive -- but it could've been SO Much Better. A few years ago, I could've attended a $100 Dinner at a "V" Celebrity's Home -- but I was broke -- so I didn't go. I wonder what a combination of Stargate SG-1 -- Babylon 5 -- Jupiter Ascending -- Guardians of the Galaxy -- Ex Machina -- and "V" might be like?!

In reading up on "V" it was mentioned that it cost one million per episode so costs were likely a factor. However, I too thought the story plot weak and continued to get worse as time went on. I did watch SG-1, Jupiter Ascending, Guardians of the Galaxy.. loved SG-1 with all of the science and Jupiter Ascending. Thought Guardians of the Galaxy a bit hokey. "V" got more gruesome as the story plot evolved. Haven't viewed Ex Machina yet. SG-! is more on target as this likely exists within the Secret Government. Jupiter Ascending was more along the lines of harvesting the essence of the human body / souls.. from different planets where the so-called elite converted to use as a substance to emerge themselves in for rejuvenation and ever lasting youth. However, one could easily see that they valued "time" having a long life looking beautiful as compared to spiritual evolvement. In fact, they were very attached to materialism and maintaining their elitism. The humanoids from that particular system interfaced with reptilians and both species were without compassion.. except for the winged hybrids and Jupiter Jones. Hers was a story of awakening to what has real meaning in life. Ones personal relationships and protecting humanity.

Future series.. ahh.. one could go in a multitude of directions when focusing on Sci Fi. Some of what I know to be true is too awful to view. Sean David Morton wrote a book, Sands of Time, which is probably more on target for what is going on with some of the negative types of ET on the planet. I'd probably like to see a cross between SG-! (jump room to different planets/dimensions), Dr. Steven Greer, Sean David Morton and Dolores Cannon. Something along the lines of Ex Machina should be included but where they assist humanity in it's evolution and cleaning up the planet's pollution.

Carol wrote:"Hive mind" with respect to ants and bees insure the survival of their species. They work together and share in one consciousness. This is also similar to where suddenly a flock of birds take off and fly in one direction and a similar situation with fish where schools travel in one direction and then all turn together. There is a sense of comfort when working along members who are joined in the same "consciousness" frequency.

Ironically, after a kundalini experience, I discovered I enjoyed my aloneness where my thoughts could travel outward without interruption (bumping into the thought energy of others) or dwell within at that inner quiet peaceful place undisturbed.

Having someone's negative emotions or something (inter dimensional entity intrude) felt invasive. The desire for alone time was something that came about after being a parent and in public service for years and years.

During my 20s, for entertainment relaxation, I would use the colleges' sensory deprivation room to practice meditation in. It was refreshing to block out all external sound and work on expanding consciousness via meditation.

Enjoy your break B.B. I probably would have banned Tony and Raven for all the spamming on other people's heads that they did a long time ago if Mercurial has been around to help out. As it was, with spinal stenosis, bone spurs and a disc pressing into my spinal cord creating havoc (significant nerve damage) along with a great deal of pain, it was difficult to cope with the basics at home, so I spent less and less time participating in the forum. Surgery was on Oct 1st and all is good again.

It appears others are feeling more chatty as well - which is a good sign.

Sanicle wrote:I would like to say at this point that I think some Thubans may have a slightly skewed perception of how those who didn’t get involved may view the whole belief system and the activities therein, especially in relation to it being seen generally as “bad/dirty”. I think that assumption is unfair and fits in with the view so often expressed by TR in the blogs they posted here that those who don’t go along with it all are stupid Nabsers (or whatever the term was) who are just too tied up in memes to comprehend it all. Thubans know as little of us as individuals as we know of them and should no more assume than we do.

Speaking for myself, my main objection was mainly to the pedantic nature of it which fits in with the ‘my way is the only way’ mindset, just like so many belief systems out there. My perception is that the consciousness (from individual to planetary etc) is like a sun in miniature, with each ray being a potential pathway (which can become a belief system) for us to explore which becomes ‘lit up’ when we achieve enlightenment along the way (to over-simplify it). Within that image it can be seen that there are ‘opposite’ pathways that need to be explored (as Sui’s cool list expressed), indeed pathways at every angle from that centre of perception, along with those that run alongside that we can also choose to step into, and each one is as valid as another if we are to achieve a ‘fully rounded’/universal ability to Be. I could go on and on about how this symbology can be applied to every realm and dimension the consciousness can explore along those rays in any of various bodies, but what I’ve stated exemplifies my point I think as regards there being no one ‘right’ and ‘only’ pathway as we continue to evolve in this way.

I could also tell you about my own experiences with dragons (one of which has been my best friend for years in the astral realms) and reptilians (in various stages of evolution) which don’t fit with the Thuban perspective yet which have proven to be valuable to me during my own journeying. I could tell you that my current mentor claims to be an angel and that when I asked him if he is Anunnaki he replied that he is “Anunna no more”, reminding me that humans are not the only ones who evolve. (Another human-ego based assumption, that dragons and humans are still the same as they were thousands of years ago when they were first described?) I’ve also experienced the sex thing involving astral energies and can confirm that it is much more torrid and erotic than that which is normally experienced here in the physical with another partner.

But let me go back to my angel friend. He gave me another perception of the reptilian/human interface, as per the “We are you” claim the Thuban dragons make. I’ve known for some time that I’ve had a ‘past life (or lives?)’ as a reptilian being. I even know my reptilian name. But this is the general human way of seeing things through the veil of time. In the angel’s view (like so many others) all lives are occurring now and each ‘incarnation’ is an aspect of our ‘higher selves’ made manifest in various dimensions of experience. He put it to me that the reptilians that are challenging we humans are actually aspects of ourselves, serving our overall evolution by doing so. In this case the predator/prey dynamic, among others, is being explored but that they mainly do so from the subtle realms has its obvious benefits as well.

One last point. I don’t care who claims to have played with genetics to ‘create’ we humans, they only manipulated the matter/bodies we choose to incarnate into. WE ARE NOT OUR BODIES, so they have NO ownership of or jurisdiction over who we are or what we do. And it certainly doesn’t give them the right to ‘eat’ or ‘possess’ us because we have something they want.

Above and beyond all of that, of course, is the question of whether all that we experience as voices and images, etc. in our heads is come from deep within our own unconscious, or if the beings we perceive are merely empowered tulpas and egregore humans have created themselves that exist as maybe the sum total of our astral realms for us to work through.

The Sun image though is why I study everyone's inner world experiences I come across, which included the Thuban material, looking for and often finding more pieces to fit my own 'puzzle' on my pathway to understanding, rejecting none of it outright. Hearing someone, like you Sui and Spregovori, who fully explored it and held onto their own perceptions and principles throughout is, to my mind, a gift you are giving to those of us who didn't have the time, energy or inclination to. Again, I thank you for sharing those here.