My Liberation from the Thuban Sex Cult

mudra wrote:Spregovori ,

Exuse me if I don't copy paste your last post here for it is quite a long one and what comes to mind reading it is related to the different ideas you expressed in it.

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orthodoxymoron wrote:
Is 'Tony' simply a facilitator? I'm going to spend some quality time on his site. It seems to make a lot more sense than 'his' posts on the Thuban Q&A.

Sanicle wrote:I apologize if I've said anything to offend or upset you Sui.  

SuiGeneris wrote:

Sanicle wrote:I apologize if I've said anything to offend or upset you Sui.  

If you did i missed it. I don't know what you mean.

Sanicle wrote:I would like to say at this point that I think some Thubans may have a slightly skewed perception of how those who didn’t get involved may view the whole belief system and the activities therein, especially in relation to it being seen generally as “bad/dirty”.  I think that assumption is unfair and fits in with the view so often expressed by TR in the blogs they posted here that those who don’t go along with it all are stupid Nabsers (or whatever the term was) who are just too tied up in memes to comprehend it all.  Thubans know as little of us as individuals as we know of them and should no more assume than we do.

Sanicle wrote:That's good to hear Sui.  As you hadn't logged on for a while and/or haven't responded to our/my, what could be construed as insulting (?), musings about Thuban and what you've shared thus far I decided to pop that in 'just in case'.  I know that when you've given your heart and soul to something/someone it's always easier to criticize it/them yourself than to hear others doing the same.  

Sanicle wrote:I'm also not sure how much of Spregovori's mindset towards us and what we're doing here is 'Thubanized' and how much of it you might or might not still share, especially re his "communications problems" post http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t8603p30-my-liberation-from-the-thuban-sex-cult#119006 given that we hadn't heard from you since that was said.  

SuiGeneris wrote:orthodoxymoron on Fri Nov 19, 2010 4:32 pm

orthodoxymoron wrote:
Is 'Tony' simply a facilitator? I'm going to spend some quality time on his site. It seems to make a lot more sense than 'his' posts on the Thuban Q&A.

Oxy, notice this question you asked yourself 6 years ago.

Now you finally have your answer.

The following excerpt is from the Wes Penre papers:

Normally, when we ask the source a question, they look in the memory bank of the vehicles (the channeler), which often go back thousands and thousands of years due to the genetic memories from previous life, and they look in the Akashic Records for an answer, in case they don't know it already. Bashar (one of these sources) explains it pretty well when he says that the Akashic Records are not, like many think, some sort of "library in the sky" where you have to go to find the answer. The Records are all around us in the ether; it's there to immediately pick up and use.
Then apparently, according to some sources (something I was not aware of), such as Harone (who is a Gray whom Lyssa Royale channels), these entities are using computer systems to gather their thoughts so that they become transmittable. Harone says:
"Emotions on my end are not necessary to channel, though I am working with physical facilitators on my end [Bashar and Sasha] and the three of us are linked into a computer device [my emphasis] that will synthesize our thoughts. They provide a balance for my thoughts so that the biological vehicle can receive them. Thus they are translated."[7]

Bashar is of a Gray species as well, while Sasha is supposedly a Pleiadian. In the above case the computer was apparently used in order to combine the thoughts of these three very different species (is that really necessary?) and make sense of it to humans, but if this is true, it makes me wonder how often channeled sources (called only "sources" from here on) use computers when answering questions that humans.
http://wespenre.com/3/paper02-in-wait-for-things-to-come.htm#7

facilitator's first post on AV1 wrote:

<<"I am introducing myself here from the 12th dimension, that is I do not reside in the physical universe of space and time, but I shall enter this universe simultaneously with the transformation of this planet of the cosmic humanoids called Earth or Gaia or Terra or Akashia, but known as Serpentina the Mother of the Dragons, by many extraterrestrial sentiences. Even more, as 'Hunab Ku's' Beloved, Gaia will be able to transform her galactic consciousness into Cosmic-Universal Consciousness through and by the opening of the 12th dimension and our entry into universal consciousness as the creator race of the universes as something I shall label for the moment as the Council of Thuban."
In the Honour of the Dragons
Sirebard Beardris>>

Xeia

Spreg does not like me speaking about his mindset so he can answer you directly. I guess you mean 'thubanized' by him? If you mean by me i don't understand your question.

orthodoxymoron wrote:I still don't know who to trust.

orthodoxymoron wrote:In fact, I especially do NOT trust myself (mostly because I feel unbelievably supernaturally harassed 24/7).

orthodoxymoron wrote:However, I have sort of brought some of this upon myself by wishing to know "The Truth" regardless of whether it sets me free, or not.

orthodoxymoron wrote:An example of this would be to study that original Thuban Q & A on Project Avalon (after all these years). I still think it's quite dangerous to read this thread.

orthodoxymoron wrote:It's a nasty-task but someone must relentlessly pursue the truth with all deliberate speed and diligence.

orthodoxymoron wrote:Once again, forgive my often standoffish approach. It's mostly an act, which facilitates the modeling of certain personalities and concepts.

orthodoxymoron wrote:I probably won't respond to any responses for a while (if ever). Namaste and Godspeed.

Sanicle wrote:I meant 'thubanized' in relation to all you were taught via Tony primarily, particularly in relation to the 'teaching' that it's preferable to have an ET mind, the human one being 'less than', in that instance.

Sanicle wrote:I was wondering if all Thubans were taught to see the human mind as animalistic nature.......if what Spregovori shared is that perception.  

Sanicle wrote:From what you've said already I've gained the impression that you don't agree with that premise generally but, as you've said, we 'on the outside' still don't know a lot about all that was taught and I don't know if you are still in agreement with some of that or not.  

Sanicle wrote:As I tried to explain to Xeia, I don't know you or she well enough yet, or the full teachings of Thuban, to be able to tell which is coming purely from your own minds and which may still be framed within the Thuban teachings.  I'm learning that as I go along as you can see.

Sanicle wrote:The word 'thubanized' was an attempt to depict a mind inculcated with Thuban teachings and so maybe still sprouting such.  Surely there must be some of it that resonated with you and which you still might use to explain a concept under discussion?  No?

orthodoxymoron wrote:I've intended only the best by using the word "NAMASTE" BUT I've gotten my head handed to me over and over when using that particular word. Perhaps I should take it all back -- and NEVER use "NAMASTE" under ANY circumstances. Also, I've intended only the best by being open and honest with the "Information-War" BUT I've gotten my head handed to me over and over when attempting to be "Awake and Aware". Perhaps I should circle the wagons around the "Tried and True" and simply say "Good-Bye".

My dear Oxy,

I am aware you've intended the best for me when you say Namaste. I did not reproach you for your usage of it at all. On the contrary. You did not offend me, I just wanted you to become aware of the divine IN you since this word is used as the recognition of this very fact.
I said: Pay attention to your own words. I said that specifically because you said you did not trust yourself, and that is a huge problem that you need to solve.
You have paid so much attention to the words of others for so long, that you seem to have forgotten or lost an inner connection to your own Self, or are unsure as to which ones are your own ideas and which ones aren't.
This has a way out, You can fix this for yourself. Just as you got in, you can get out. Retrace your own steps...backwards. Counterclockwise.

I don't feel you should take anything back unless you really mean to, but these decisions should never be dependent upon the reaction of others.

Reading you over the years I can tell you this, I know you've meant only the best by being open and honest with the information you've shared, and I am sure I am not the only one who can sense this.

If people lash back at you, take it as a test of your own strength in life, and stand your ground. And again, never be dependent of others to make conclusions about yourself.

TEMET NOSCE


Big hug,

Xeia  

orthodoxymoron wrote:I think one should question themselves constantly.

SuiGeneris wrote: The key is to recognize what exactly is this human mind in the first place. Who is talking to you when you think you are talking to yourself 'in your mind'. Is it your created soul, or is it your immortal Spirit? Or even an idea from someone or something external you picked up from the collective sphere of human thought.

orthodoxymoron wrote:I place this idea side-by-side with "Praying Without Ceasing".

orthodoxymoron wrote:One Must Have an Objective-Standard of Knowledge and Ethics OUTSIDE OF THEMSELVES.

B.B.Baghor wrote:I created a boundary at some point, but I had to believe my intuitive hunches to be real. There's a very interesting aspect in putting boundaries, in that by stating my perception as valid, without the need of an outside confirmation by any person or being, a boundary is created as a circle around a centerpoint. I guess I could call that definition.
The definition of self in a non-defensive state, in absence of opposition or merging...