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i prefer to focus on what is inspirational and share that. It is this type of sharing that raises the frequency of humanity.
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What is life?
It is the flash of a firefly in the night, the breath of a buffalo in the wintertime. It is the little shadow which runs across the grass and loses itself in the sunset.
With deepest respect ~ Aloha & Mahalo, Carol
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I might be completely wrong and/or out of line BUT I keep thinking in terms of God as CEO of Solar Systems Incorporated (at least within this particular solar system). I don't know if things work this way (past and/or present). I found "Mr. Edgars" in Babylon 5 to be quite interesting. What if Mr. Edgars was representative of a Local Solar System God aka Sun God aka Solar Deity aka Star Lord?? I mean ZERO Irreverence. I'm simply attempting to understand how things REALLY Work -- or how things SHOULD REALLY Work -- without giving the finger to the rest of the universe. Namaste and Godspeed.
"You Earthlings Are CRAZY!!"
"You Earthlings Are CRAZY!!"
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If you surrender power and responsibility to a 'god' ,don't be surprised when he does things you don't like.
Lazy people look for 'God' to do it for them . The devil makes the same proposition. Let me take care of it for you ! Trust me !
Welfare state ,same thing .Communism,fascism,religious affiliation. Support us and we will support you .
They are all protection rackets. They are all pimping you for profit.
In the old days they called it paying tribute. You had to submit a regular donation to keep up the policy.
Lazy people look for 'God' to do it for them . The devil makes the same proposition. Let me take care of it for you ! Trust me !
Welfare state ,same thing .Communism,fascism,religious affiliation. Support us and we will support you .
They are all protection rackets. They are all pimping you for profit.
In the old days they called it paying tribute. You had to submit a regular donation to keep up the policy.
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As for all surrendering.
There are some valuable lessons in there for those with eyes to see.
But if it's not your cup of tea then don't.
That said as much grief that has come from it.. It has brought many blessings as well. sad people seem to focus on only one or the other and neglect to see both..
It's much like life really.
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Good one Eelco. 
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With deepest respect ~ Aloha & Mahalo, Carol
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Yes there you have it Sophieschoice . You just proved my point . Any god you like BUT YOU MUST PICK ONE .
That's Choice?
No, Its the illusion of choice. They are all one and the same . How ?
Because all these gods Tell you exactly that. Funny thing eh ?
Coincidence ? hardly.
Choose me and I will be anything you want me to be as long as you just surrender to me ! Talk about the devil and the deep blue sea.
Amazing how twisted the mind of a believer can be and still be convinced they are right.
Is that the same logic you would apply to someone who asked you to jump off a cliff to prove your faith ?
Because they get people to do that ,the 'gods'.
That's Choice?
No, Its the illusion of choice. They are all one and the same . How ?
Because all these gods Tell you exactly that. Funny thing eh ?
Coincidence ? hardly.
Choose me and I will be anything you want me to be as long as you just surrender to me ! Talk about the devil and the deep blue sea.
Amazing how twisted the mind of a believer can be and still be convinced they are right.
Is that the same logic you would apply to someone who asked you to jump off a cliff to prove your faith ?
Because they get people to do that ,the 'gods'.
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What if a False-God overthrew a True-God in antiquity -- and proceeded to secretly rule humanity by creating 5,000 gods?? What scares me is the possibility that most souls presently in this solar system followed the False-God into battle against the True-God -- and that they might've been paying a very high price for their rebellion -- lifetime after lifetime after lifetime. I have no proof -- yet when one spends way too much time worrying about such things, certain possibilities and probabilities become all too real and frightening. I've intended my United States of the Solar System threads to be study-guides for a certain strain of Sirius-Researchers -- but I seriously doubt that ANYONE has bothered to go the extra kilometer with me in my quest. The trouble with "No God" is that someone will always end-up ruling the roost -- probably in a mostly secret and sinister manner. If the universe is filled with Bad@$$ Gods and Goddesses -- fighting for the control of civilizations and solar-systems -- the Right-Kind of Monotheism might be a useful concept -- to keep the bad guys and gals OUT. On the other hand -- the Wrong-Kind of Monotheism might result in the most horrible corruption, enslavement, abuse, torture, and extermination imaginable. This stuff is not superficially-obvious -- but I think the City-State Guys and Gals know exactly what I'm talking about. I'm trying to be a Reformed Judeo-Christian by focusing upon Job through Daniel -- studied side-by-side with Romans through Jude -- in the KJV. I realize this sounds primitive and backward -- and it probably is sort of a Latter-day Luddite approach to understanding where we came from -- what's going on -- and where we're going -- but it's a nasty-task which SOMEONE must perform (for better or worse -- I know not). I've simply selected certain areas of research (because I can). I knew a guy who used to solve calculus-problems -- just for the heck of it -- and he was a Theology-Student!! I've had private discussions with very-bright theologians -- with degrees from Princeton, Manchester, Edinburg, the University of Chicago -- and who knows where-else?! I'm a completely ignorant fool -- yet I enjoy speaking with those who know a hell of a lot more than I do. I think a lot of those who frequent this forum, know a hell of a lot more than I do -- which is a major reason I post here -- even though I don't seem to fit-in here. I'm presently thinking about immersing myself in a very-private study of the United Kingdom relative to Church and State -- going back hundreds of years -- as a possible middle-way between Rome and Washington D.C. But I've grown weary of overexposing myself to hostile and unappreciative observers and critics. At this point, I mostly want to watch without being seen or heard. It's easier that way. BTW -- I once sang "You Raise Me Up" in church!!
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Pris wrote:Carol wrote:
Beautiful song... but, I do not see anyone raising these kids up.
I see two courageous kids,
...............each standing confidently in their own power,
.................................side by side.
I'll do it myself if I have to, but I'd rather have you stand by me.
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These children are Chinese singing in English to a Chinese audience. The song "You Raise Me Up" is sung as a contemporary hymn in church services. Did you notice the faces of the children and audience during their performance and how everyone was moved "spiritually quickened" throughout their performance? Now can you imagine two American children singing in Chinese to an American audience a Chinese "church" type song? I wonder how they would have been received by an American audience. What was happening during that performance was more then two brave children standing side by side singing. They were basically raising the spiritual consciousness of their audience via their performance sung in English.. a song about god that transcends religion, while it also quickens the heart center. These children can also be viewed are spiritual messengers doing something quite remarkable and somewhat astonishing when examined from a variety of perspectives. God is not about religion as some profess. To experience the presence of god requires a spiritual quickening of the heart. While those children sung their hearts out they touched all the other hearts who were with them, where those present experienced something much bigger then what some religion offers. It didn't matter what anyones beliefs were or how they may have been entrained by their culture. What did matter is that they were all united as one within the healing experience of the music and with full hearts.
Lyrics: You raise me up, so I can stand on mountains; / You raise me up to walk on stormy seas; / I am strong when I am on your shoulders; / You raise me up to more than I can be.
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What is life?
It is the flash of a firefly in the night, the breath of a buffalo in the wintertime. It is the little shadow which runs across the grass and loses itself in the sunset.
With deepest respect ~ Aloha & Mahalo, Carol
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The question I would ask is "who is raising who up exactly" The parents, the church ,Jesus, allah, some dude down the road who likes kids a little bit to much?
Innocence is a precious thing. When loving parents have children they protect them ,love them , teach them, and hopefully encourage them to think for themselves.
Church says " Dont think ,just believe in Jesus/Allah/Jehovah or who the hell ever and put your blind faith in our God ,our religion and our way '
Otherwise you will go to hell . Circumcision is 'gratis' (thanks for nothing) but the guilt you will be paying out for a lifetime . Some deal.
Every religion knows the best time to get adherents is when they are young and vulnerable to suggestion/manipulation. There is nothing cute about forcing kids to look cute and sing fluffy hymns at church. I Hated it . Jesus wants me for a Sunbeam ! Barf.
It should be Illegal to press any religion on innocent minds . Its a violation of the mind, not care.
Children instinctively sing , paint, create and play. They are already in the kingdom of heaven. The church takes them out of it and puts them in a mind prison of fear and lies and Bible class.
'Oh god please not the Bible class Mum , its all thou shalt not do this and thou shalt worship that and I am not worthy lord to suck your toenails clean with my desert parched tongue...................'
And Kneeling in church to pray ! Why does god need you to grovel before he will listen ? What does that say about him ?
Here's a good definition of Religious Writing .
Innocence is a precious thing. When loving parents have children they protect them ,love them , teach them, and hopefully encourage them to think for themselves.
Church says " Dont think ,just believe in Jesus/Allah/Jehovah or who the hell ever and put your blind faith in our God ,our religion and our way '
Otherwise you will go to hell . Circumcision is 'gratis' (thanks for nothing) but the guilt you will be paying out for a lifetime . Some deal.
Every religion knows the best time to get adherents is when they are young and vulnerable to suggestion/manipulation. There is nothing cute about forcing kids to look cute and sing fluffy hymns at church. I Hated it . Jesus wants me for a Sunbeam ! Barf.
It should be Illegal to press any religion on innocent minds . Its a violation of the mind, not care.
Children instinctively sing , paint, create and play. They are already in the kingdom of heaven. The church takes them out of it and puts them in a mind prison of fear and lies and Bible class.
'Oh god please not the Bible class Mum , its all thou shalt not do this and thou shalt worship that and I am not worthy lord to suck your toenails clean with my desert parched tongue...................'
And Kneeling in church to pray ! Why does god need you to grovel before he will listen ? What does that say about him ?
Here's a good definition of Religious Writing .
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I totally agree with what you say below Carol...this particular piece first sung by Josh Groban is a message of transcendence beyond any particular religion. However there is no use "casting pearls (words of wisdom) before swine." Another 26,000 years on Planet Earth might do the trick.
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As it is below; so it is above
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Carol wrote:Pris wrote:Carol wrote:
Beautiful song... but, I do not see anyone raising these kids up.
I see two courageous kids,
...............each standing confidently in their own power,
.................................side by side.
I'll do it myself if I have to, but I'd rather have you stand by me.
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These children are Chinese singing in English to a Chinese audience. The song "You Raise Me Up" is sung as a contemporary hymn in church services. Did you notice the faces of the children and audience during their performance and how everyone was moved "spiritually quickened" throughout their performance? Now can you imagine two American children singing in Chinese to an American audience a Chinese "church" type song? I wonder how they would have been received by an American audience. What was happening during that performance was more then two brave children standing side by side singing. They were basically raising the spiritual consciousness of their audience via their performance sung in English.. a song about god that transcends religion, while it also quickens the heart center. These children can also be viewed are spiritual messengers doing something quite remarkable and somewhat astonishing when examined from a variety of perspectives. God is not about religion as some profess. To experience the presence of god requires a spiritual quickening of the heart. While those children sung their hearts out they touched all the other hearts who were with them, where those present experienced something much bigger then what some religion offers. It didn't matter what anyones beliefs were or how they may have been entrained by their culture. What did matter is that they were all united as one within the healing experience of the music and with full hearts.
Lyrics: You raise me up, so I can stand on mountains; / You raise me up to walk on stormy seas; / I am strong when I am on your shoulders; / You raise me up to more than I can be.
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blue roller wrote:Yes there you have it Sophieschoice . You just proved my point . Any god you like BUT YOU MUST PICK ONE .
That's Choice?
No, Its the illusion of choice. They are all one and the same . How ?
Because all these gods Tell you exactly that. Funny thing eh ?
Coincidence ? hardly.
Choose me and I will be anything you want me to be as long as you just surrender to me ! Talk about the devil and the deep blue sea.
Amazing how twisted the mind of a believer can be and still be convinced they are right.
Is that the same logic you would apply to someone who asked you to jump off a cliff to prove your faith ?
Because they get people to do that ,the 'gods'.
Nope I said surrendering holds some valuable lessons.
I also stated that if it doesn't feel right (used the cup of tea metaphor) Then don't.
I never said one has to choose.
There are some people I would gladly jump off of a cliff for.
It will depend on the why, but faith in the fact I am eternal even if my ego will die right there and then is enough for me to seriously contemplate jumping if need be,,
But hey that too is not everyone's cup of tea.
In my work with violent mentally challenged people in order to stand with them I always give them the first punch for free.
Now many people in my field declared I am mad to do so. In actual fact. Allowing them to take that first swing whenever fear and panic overcomes them helps them to trust me to act in a consistent and predictable manner over time. Allowing me to help them.
Many who don't, show signs of fear, which many of these people pick up. What that does in effect is make there fear and panic grow.
Now do I expect all my colleagues to take that first hit? No I understand the fear for getting hit, I know of the shame involved..
Do I keep doing it? You betya. Maybe stupid, maybe smart... It's a lesson I learned by surrendering to whatever comes up.
An added bonus is that I don't seem to get hit much these days.. I wonder why that is..
With Love
Eelco
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My definition of ego:
A construct that makes choices based on past experiences.
I don't really believe that a soul exists any more other than they are ego-like constructs.
Making choices based on experiences.. I am unsure whether soul's experience linear time so they may be choosing from future experiences as well.
As an energy being I am transient, always mutating/morphing into something else that is.. I hold little to no faith that the personality(ego) that is now Eelco will exist after I die.
I am actually unsure that the ego exists at all really.. I think it's just an illusion.
With Love
Eelco
A construct that makes choices based on past experiences.
I don't really believe that a soul exists any more other than they are ego-like constructs.
Making choices based on experiences.. I am unsure whether soul's experience linear time so they may be choosing from future experiences as well.
As an energy being I am transient, always mutating/morphing into something else that is.. I hold little to no faith that the personality(ego) that is now Eelco will exist after I die.
I am actually unsure that the ego exists at all really.. I think it's just an illusion.
With Love
Eelco
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