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    Post  SophiasChoice Sun Dec 13, 2015 5:00 am

    Pris wrote:
    SophiasChoice wrote:The priest casts in every modality has a lot to answer for. They are not the spokesmen of the gods.

    There are no 'gods' to begin with.  'Gods' are pretenders.  Anyone who considers themselves to be a god is a megalomaniac.

    The greatest power of all is the love that resides in your own heart and soul.  Love is the essence of what you are.

    Nothing 'above' you.  Nothing 'below' you.



    In ur sunlight
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    Almost. I do believe there are entities that pose as gods..
    It's all in the definition we choose to plaster over such an identity or mind made construct.
    In my view that doesn't make them more or less real.

    As we are co-creators we have a heavy hand in how these gods are shaped, how powerfull they are and which powers they posess even.
    We allow the amount of control they have. But as you say they aren't above or below is in any way more than we allow them to be..

    Now I know they (the gods) and their minions. (people who believe them and empower them) don't always (almost never) see it that way.
    But many an enlightened soul does.

    With Love
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    Post  Brook Sun Dec 13, 2015 1:01 pm

    Yep Eelco not all Muslims like ISIS....Just like not all Jews promote Zionism.

    http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/Zionism/opposition.cfm

    http://www.truetorahjews.org/mission

    http://www.freewebs.com/jewsagainstzionism/

    Just google Jews against Zionism and it's quite evident.


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    But wait!.... do you hear that?



    Was it something I said?  

    Brook

    You better believe it!  I think the term is Busted!  

    Can I prove it?  You'd better believe I can.  Just wait...

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    Post  Brook Sun Dec 13, 2015 1:28 pm

    And the people bowed and prayed to the neon god they made...

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    I think, I think I am, therefore I am, I think.

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    Of course you are my bright little star,

    I've miles And miles Of files Pretty files of your forefather's fruit

    and now to suit our great computer,

    You're magnetic ink.

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    I'm more than that,

    I know I am, at least,

    I think I must be.

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    There you go man, keep as cool as you can.

    Face piles And piles Of trials With smiles.

    It riles them to believe that you perceive the web they weave

    And keep on thinking free...

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    Post  SophiasChoice Sun Dec 13, 2015 1:31 pm

    Yeah the silence is deafening....

    I can just hear the self righteous ways in which one would justify not responding though....
    Not that I'm thinking anyone would think those..
    Except for me.. being human and all...
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    Post  Brook Sun Dec 13, 2015 1:38 pm

    SophiasChoice wrote:Yeah the silence is deafening....

    I can just hear the self righteous ways in which one would justify not responding though....
    Not that I'm thinking anyone would think those..
    Except for me.. being human and all...
    Crazy Happy Lmao  Flowers

    With Love
    Eelco

    I like your sense of humor Eelco...I think you and I will get along splendidly.

    I did this little diddy on patter recognition. Which happened to include the I Ching which I saw you post on once. I think you'd probably like it.

    But...pattern recognition is something you can't miss here. Think of it like a tick and it sticks out like a soar thumb...You'll see.

    Thanks for just being you Eelco.... I can appreciate that all day long!

    Flowers

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    Post  Brook Sun Dec 13, 2015 9:47 pm

    out-of-body experience

    Yes, a very old practice among cultures worldwide.  Not new by any means and even taugh by some religions. (((gasp)))

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    The act of discretion encompasses cause and effect as well as free will.

    Discretion:  the right to choose what should be done in a particular situation

    : the quality of being careful about what you do and say

    : the quality of having or showing discernment or good judgment

    :  ability to make responsible decisions

    :  individual choice or judgment

    And so on.

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    One example is of OBE:

    Yellow Court Classic

    This process of Internal Alchemy doesn't rely on society, environment or any external ingredients.
    (according to Jade Emperor's "Mind Sealing Classic", Elixir of Immortality is fully in ourselves, very subtle and neither physical nor intellectual). Transformations start and end (in every cycle) in Oneself, through Oneself, by Oneself. The Alchemy (Divine Chemistry) is an internal Symmetry of the Spiritual Beings, that preserves their awareness and identity through all changes of the temporal world.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Court_Classic


    astral travel is an interpretation of an out-of-body experience (OBE) that assumes the existence of an "astral body" separate from the physical body and capable of travelling outside it.



    In Ancient Egyptian tradition; soul travel teachings present the soul as having the ability to hover outside the physical body in the "Ka" or subtle body.

    The "Ba"  was everything that makes an individual unique

    Mer was a rotating light...

    Hence Mer-ka-ba

    In Japan:

     Ikiryō  was the manifestation of the soul of a living person separately from their body and could temporarily leave their body.

    In India:

    Lin'ga S'ari-ra are found in ancient Hindu scriptures such as the YogaVashishta-Maharamayana of Valmiki, vouching for astral projection undertaking astral journeys in the astral body leaving the physical body.

    Theosophical belief is that one may access a compendium of mystical knowledge called the Akashic records. In many accounts the experiencer correlates the astral world with the world of dreams. Some even report seeing other dreamers enacting dream scenarios unaware of their wider environment.

    prana, is the "vital force" that empowers the physical forms to change.

    Etc etc....

    Now I've only added a very few...there are MANY more.


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    From the Yellow Court Classic:

    Elixir base property = Liquid/WATER ~  Heart/Fire



    One method in the Laozi zhongjing consists in causing the breaths of the heart and the kidneys to descend and rise within one’s body, respectively, so that they may join and become one.

    An analogous practice would be performed by Neidan adepts when they join the Fire of the heart and the Water of the kidneys

    There are clear analogies between these essences and breaths and the Yin and Yang essences and breaths whereby a Neidan adept would conceive and feed his inner “embryo.” An additional source of nourishment is the practitioner’s own salivary juices. These juices have the function of “irrigating” (guan) the inner organs. The terms used to denote the salivary juices have clear alchemical connotations; they include:

    Jade Liquor (yuye)

    Golden Nectar ( jinli )

    and even Golden Liquor ( jinye, the name of one of the Taiqing elixirs).

    FIRE OF THE HEART ~ WATER OF THE KIDNEYS

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    Exercising Discretion in The Infinite Field of Potential is rather important no?

    Discretion would certainly encompass a Universal Principal to achieve...dot dot dot eh?


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    Post  Brook Sun Dec 13, 2015 11:42 pm

    Hence....The act of discretion...

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    Post  SophiasChoice Mon Dec 14, 2015 2:05 am

    Pris wrote:

    They're real alright -- real a-holes.  But, that's about it.

    They can attempt to confuse, coerce... threaten all they want.  But, they cannot dominate you unless you submit.


    I'd like to think that the entities known as gods are as diverse as humans, although a bit less flexible maybe as they embody certain absolutes..
    That said there's bound to be a few good ones in the lot as well.

    Thank you for starting this thread. It's been an interesting ride and has helped me nuance my point of view on gods.

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    Post  Brook Mon Dec 14, 2015 10:25 am

    You know I didn't just happen upon this thread due to some conflict of ego among the membership here.

    I've actually spent long hours writing about this subject of the Gods and there are some pretty bad one's out there.

    But what is worse are the people that worship them.  If guided to do some of the things they've done are from such Gods well shame on that God.

    The Alter...is of primary interest and has been used for horrendous crimes against humanity through ritual sacrifice for such things as a better crops to appease these gods.  Unfortunately these still are occurring today unbeknownst to the general population.  rumors abound about it but proof is covered by hordes of money that would squash such rumors.

    It would seem unfathomable and unbelievable to even consider I know.  But it does occur.  Children are the primary target and this is the most disturbing aspect of it.  Again only rumored but I know....I KNOW...it happens.  KNOW does not mean think...it means KNOW.

    And it happens not by gods but by ordinary men and women who have lost their sense of ALL reason to self glorification and stature.  Period!

    Somewhere on this forum I spent a great deal of writing about it and it made me sick.  

    Which begs the question....did the gods they are serving these rituals up to require this or was this simply a man made concept?  If it is man made there is a sickness so perverse among humanity that I simply cannot fathom.

    From the time I was a child and most children will adhere to this which is innocence.  What is common in such ritual is it must be repeated as it has a half life that needs to be repeated.  Which is again seen in the ritual of church worship and seems to be a hidden component. Hence the repetition of such worship at an alter.

    I could go on but I'll quit there and simply say humanity has the free will to stop such ritual if they were aware exactly what it was they were worshiping.  To worship some dead guy on a cross is rather primitive and will not make up for the massive sins of humanity praying on itself.
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Mon Dec 14, 2015 1:56 pm

    I wish to be religious -- yet the more I examine religion, the more I wish to seek alternative methodologies of Self-Development and Creator-Appreciation. In a sense, secularism might be a friend of genuine-spirituality -- simply because the old-approaches are so deeply-flawed. I've been attempting to look more closely at Job through Isaiah, to determine what is REALLY taught in these six books. My initial-impression is that all is not well with nearly all religions. Again, what saves us might be the superficiality of most religious people. They mostly don't dig-deeply, so they don't have a clue how dark and deep things can get when one closely-examines what they claim to be true and exemplary. I keep thinking in terms of Imperfect Gods and Goddesses fighting each-other in nasty Star-Wars -- going way, way, way back. What if the Illuminati and All Megalomaniacs-Anonymous are somehow reflective of Very-Real Gods and Goddesses (who they didn't tell us about in Sunday-School)?? What if All-Religions are Cover-Stories for Real-Stories 99.99% of us could NOT handle?? That wouldn't surprise me -- and the more I think about it, the more I think I might have some emerging memories of past-life experiences with Bad@$$ Gods and Goddesses (here and elsewhere)!! It's probably just my overworked imagination -- but it sometimes seems unbearably real. I don't do regression-hypnosis or remote-viewing -- and I don't go out of my way (or out of my body) to know the unknowable. Persons of Interest seem to stimulate memories of Ancient Triumph and Tragedy. What if the Eucharistic-Liturgy goes way-back to Ancient-Egypt (or even further back than that)?? Saying anything negative regarding someone's religion is probably a bad-move. Expect knee-jerk hatred as the reward for well-intentioned truth-seeking and truth-speaking. The Truth is SO Overrated. It might be wise to Give Them What They Want -- Tell Them What They Wish to Hear -- and Make Sure You Get Paid!! I think I might re-read One More Sunday by John D. MacDonald!! My emerging-cynicism scares the hell out of me!!

    I just noticed that I was born two-months after Pope Pius XII died -- and that he was Venerated on my Birthday (in 2009)!! I thought that was sort of creepy!! A few years ago, a Catholic-Priest who was moving out of the area, said he'd be seeing me again (and I didn't know him well at all)!! I thought that was sort of creepy!! One last thing about Pope Pius XII. He was born shortly after Vatican I -- and died shortly before Vatican II. It might be interesting to study Vatican I and II -- in conjunction with the Life and Teachings of Eugenio Pacelli. Studying the church is very different than belonging to the church. I think Pacelli had a doctorate in Theology -- and another doctorate in Canon and Civil Law (if I remember correctly). He taught International Law for many years. That is a VERY Interesting Combination -- especially in light of what I've been considering over the past few years. What Would Monseigneur Bowe Say?? What Would Nicola Tesla Say?? What Would Adolph Hitler Say?? What Would Gizeh Intelligence Say?? What Would Curious George Say?? What Would Werner Von Braun Say?? What Would Charles Marie Widor Say?? I keep wondering what would've happened if the Nazis had NOT gone to war -- and had NOT messed with the Jews?? What if there were (and are) multiple Nazi and Vatican factions (good and bad)?? It's probably fortunate that most of what I post is merely religious and political science-fiction -- and that I have very little drive and skill connected with all of this madness. That's all I'm going to say -- and I think I've said too much. I honestly mean no harm. I simply think most of us are incredibly naïve regarding how things really work in Heaven and Earth. "On Earth As It Is In Heaven"??


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    Hear my cry, O God; attend unto my prayer. 2 From the end of the earth will I cry unto thee, when my heart is overwhelmed : lead me to the rock that is higher than I. 3 For thou hast been a shelter for me, and a strong tower from the enemy . 4 I will abide in thy tabernacle for ever: I will trust in the covert of thy wings. Selah. 5 For thou, O God, hast heard my vows: thou hast given me the heritage of those that fear thy name. 6 Thou wilt prolong the king's life : and his years as many generations. 7 He shall abide before God for ever: O prepare mercy and truth, which may preserve him. 8 So will I sing praise unto thy name for ever, that I may daily perform my vows.

    Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. 2 He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved . 3 How long will ye imagine mischief against a man? ye shall be slain all of you: as a bowing wall shall ye be, and as a tottering fence. 4 They only consult to cast him down from his excellency: they delight in lies: they bless with their mouth, but they curse inwardly. Selah. 5 My soul, wait thou only upon God; for my expectation is from him. 6 He only is my rock and my salvation: he is my defence; I shall not be moved . 7 In God is my salvation and my glory: the rock of my strength, and my refuge, is in God. 8 Trust in him at all times; ye people, pour out your heart before him: God is a refuge for us. Selah. 9 Surely men of low degree are vanity, and men of high degree are a lie: to be laid in the balance, they are altogether lighter than vanity. 10 Trust not in oppression, and become not vain in robbery: if riches increase , set not your heart upon them. 11 God hath spoken once; twice have I heard this; that power belongeth unto God. 12 Also unto thee, O Lord, belongeth mercy: for thou renderest to every man according to his work.

    O God, thou art my God; early will I seek thee: my soul thirsteth for thee, my flesh longeth for thee in a dry and thirsty land, where no water is; 2 To see thy power and thy glory, so as I have seen thee in the sanctuary. 3 Because thy lovingkindness is better than life, my lips shall praise thee. 4 Thus will I bless thee while I live: I will lift up my hands in thy name. 5 My soul shall be satisfied as with marrow and fatness; and my mouth shall praise thee with joyful lips: 6 When I remember thee upon my bed, and meditate on thee in the night watches. 7 Because thou hast been my help, therefore in the shadow of thy wings will I rejoice . 8 My soul followeth hard after thee: thy right hand upholdeth me. 9 But those that seek my soul, to destroy it, shall go into the lower parts of the earth. 10 They shall fall by the sword : they shall be a portion for foxes. 11 But the king shall rejoice in God; every one that sweareth by him shall glory : but the mouth of them that speak lies shall be stopped .

    Hear my voice, O God, in my prayer: preserve my life from fear of the enemy . 2 Hide me from the secret counsel of the wicked ; from the insurrection of the workers of iniquity: 3 Who whet their tongue like a sword, and bend their bows to shoot their arrows, even bitter words: 4 That they may shoot in secret at the perfect: suddenly do they shoot at him, and fear not. 5 They encourage themselves in an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily ; they say , Who shall see them? 6 They search out iniquities; they accomplish a diligent search: both the inward thought of every one of them, and the heart, is deep. 7 But God shall shoot at them with an arrow; suddenly shall they be wounded. 8 So they shall make their own tongue to fall upon themselves: all that see them shall flee away . 9 And all men shall fear , and shall declare the work of God; for they shall wisely consider of his doing. 10 The righteous shall be glad in the LORD, and shall trust in him; and all the upright in heart shall glory .

    Praise waiteth for thee, O God, in Sion: and unto thee shall the vow be performed . 2 O thou that hearest prayer, unto thee shall all flesh come . 3 Iniquities prevail against me: as for our transgressions, thou shalt purge them away . 4 Blessed is the man whom thou choosest , and causest to approach unto thee, that he may dwell in thy courts: we shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house, even of thy holy temple. 5 By terrible things in righteousness wilt thou answer us, O God of our salvation; who art the confidence of all the ends of the earth, and of them that are afar off upon the sea: 6 Which by his strength setteth fast the mountains; being girded with power: 7 Which stilleth the noise of the seas, the noise of their waves, and the tumult of the people. 8 They also that dwell in the uttermost parts are afraid at thy tokens: thou makest the outgoings of the morning and evening to rejoice . 9 Thou visitest the earth, and waterest it: thou greatly enrichest it with the river of God, which is full of water: thou preparest them corn, when thou hast so provided for it. 10 Thou waterest the ridges thereof abundantly : thou settlest the furrows thereof: thou makest it soft with showers: thou blessest the springing thereof. 11 Thou crownest the year with thy goodness; and thy paths drop fatness. 12 They drop upon the pastures of the wilderness: and the little hills rejoice on every side . 13 The pastures are clothed with flocks; the valleys also are covered over with corn; they shout for joy , they also sing.

    Make a joyful noise unto God, all ye lands: 2 Sing forth the honour of his name: make his praise glorious. 3 Say unto God, How terrible art thou in thy works! through the greatness of thy power shall thine enemies submit themselves unto thee. 4 All the earth shall worship thee, and shall sing unto thee; they shall sing to thy name. Selah. 5 Come and see the works of God: he is terrible in his doing toward the children of men. 6 He turned the sea into dry land: they went through the flood on foot: there did we rejoice in him. 7 He ruleth by his power for ever; his eyes behold the nations: let not the rebellious exalt themselves. Selah. 8 O bless our God, ye people, and make the voice of his praise to be heard : 9 Which holdeth our soul in life, and suffereth not our feet to be moved. 10 For thou, O God, hast proved us: thou hast tried us, as silver is tried . 11 Thou broughtest us into the net; thou laidst affliction upon our loins. 12 Thou hast caused men to ride over our heads; we went through fire and through water: but thou broughtest us out into a wealthy place. 13 I will go into thy house with burnt offerings: I will pay thee my vows, 14 Which my lips have uttered , and my mouth hath spoken , when I was in trouble. 15 I will offer unto thee burnt sacrifices of fatlings, with the incense of rams; I will offer bullocks with goats. Selah. 16 Come and hear , all ye that fear God, and I will declare what he hath done for my soul. 17 I cried unto him with my mouth, and he was extolled with my tongue. 18 If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear me: 19 But verily God hath heard me; he hath attended to the voice of my prayer. 20 Blessed be God, which hath not turned away my prayer, nor his mercy from me.

    God be merciful unto us, and bless us; and cause his face to shine upon us; Selah. 2 That thy way may be known upon earth, thy saving health among all nations. 3 Let the people praise thee, O God; let all the people praise thee. 4 O let the nations be glad and sing for joy : for thou shalt judge the people righteously, and govern the nations upon earth. Selah. 5 Let the people praise thee, O God; let all the people praise thee. 6 Then shall the earth yield her increase; and God, even our own God, shall bless us. 7 God shall bless us; and all the ends of the earth shall fear him.

    Let God arise , let his enemies be scattered : let them also that hate him flee before him. 2 As smoke is driven away , so drive them away : as wax melteth before the fire, so let the wicked perish at the presence of God. 3 But let the righteous be glad ; let them rejoice before God: yea, let them exceedingly rejoice . 4 Sing unto God, sing praises to his name: extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name JAH, and rejoice before him. 5 A father of the fatherless, and a judge of the widows, is God in his holy habitation. 6 God setteth the solitary in families: he bringeth out those which are bound with chains: but the rebellious dwell in a dry land. 7 O God, when thou wentest forth before thy people, when thou didst march through the wilderness; Selah: 8 The earth shook , the heavens also dropped at the presence of God: even Sinai itself was moved at the presence of God, the God of Israel. 9 Thou, O God, didst send a plentiful rain, whereby thou didst confirm thine inheritance, when it was weary . 10 Thy congregation hath dwelt therein: thou, O God, hast prepared of thy goodness for the poor. 11 The Lord gave the word: great was the company of those that published it. 12 Kings of armies did flee apace : and she that tarried at home divided the spoil. 13 Though ye have lien among the pots, yet shall ye be as the wings of a dove covered with silver, and her feathers with yellow gold. 14 When the Almighty scattered kings in it, it was white as snow in Salmon. 15 The hill of God is as the hill of Bashan; an high hill as the hill of Bashan. 16 Why leap ye, ye high hills? this is the hill which God desireth to dwell in ; yea, the LORD will dwell in it for ever. 17 The chariots of God are twenty thousand, even thousands of angels: the Lord is among them, as in Sinai, in the holy place.

    Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive : thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell among them. 19 Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits, even the God of our salvation. Selah. 20 He that is our God is the God of salvation; and unto GOD the Lord belong the issues from death. 21 But God shall wound the head of his enemies , and the hairy scalp of such an one as goeth on still in his trespasses. 22 The Lord said , I will bring again from Bashan, I will bring my people again from the depths of the sea: 23 That thy foot may be dipped in the blood of thine enemies , and the tongue of thy dogs in the same. 24 They have seen thy goings, O God; even the goings of my God, my King, in the sanctuary. 25 The singers went before , the players on instruments followed after; among them were the damsels playing with timbrels . 26 Bless ye God in the congregations, even the Lord, from the fountain of Israel. 27 There is little Benjamin with their ruler , the princes of Judah and their council, the princes of Zebulun, and the princes of Naphtali. 28 Thy God hath commanded thy strength: strengthen , O God, that which thou hast wrought for us. 29 Because of thy temple at Jerusalem shall kings bring presents unto thee. 30 Rebuke the company of spearmen, the multitude of the bulls, with the calves of the people, till every one submit himself with pieces of silver: scatter thou the people that delight in war. 31 Princes shall come out of Egypt; Ethiopia shall soon stretch out her hands unto God. 32 Sing unto God, ye kingdoms of the earth; O sing praises unto the Lord; Selah: 33 To him that rideth upon the heavens of heavens, which were of old; lo, he doth send out his voice, and that a mighty voice. 34 Ascribe ye strength unto God: his excellency is over Israel, and his strength is in the clouds. 35 O God, thou art terrible out of thy holy places: the God of Israel is he that giveth strength and power unto his people. Blessed be God.

    Save me, O God; for the waters are come in unto my soul. 2 I sink in deep mire, where there is no standing: I am come into deep waters, where the floods overflow me. 3 I am weary of my crying : my throat is dried : mine eyes fail while I wait for my God. 4 They that hate me without a cause are more than the hairs of mine head: they that would destroy me, being mine enemies wrongfully, are mighty : then I restored that which I took not away . 5 O God, thou knowest my foolishness; and my sins are not hid from thee. 6 Let not them that wait on thee, O Lord GOD of hosts, be ashamed for my sake: let not those that seek thee be confounded for my sake, O God of Israel. 7 Because for thy sake I have borne reproach; shame hath covered my face. 8 I am become a stranger unto my brethren, and an alien unto my mother's children. 9 For the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up ; and the reproaches of them that reproached thee are fallen upon me. 10 When I wept , and chastened my soul with fasting, that was to my reproach. 11 I made sackcloth also my garment; and I became a proverb to them. 12 They that sit in the gate speak against me; and I was the song of the drunkards . 13 But as for me, my prayer is unto thee, O LORD, in an acceptable time: O God, in the multitude of thy mercy hear me, in the truth of thy salvation. 14 Deliver me out of the mire, and let me not sink : let me be delivered from them that hate me, and out of the deep waters. 15 Let not the waterflood overflow me, neither let the deep swallow me up , and let not the pit shut her mouth upon me. 16 Hear me, O LORD; for thy lovingkindness is good: turn unto me according to the multitude of thy tender mercies.

    And hide not thy face from thy servant; for I am in trouble : hear me speedily. 18 Draw nigh unto my soul, and redeem it: deliver me because of mine enemies . 19 Thou hast known my reproach, and my shame, and my dishonour: mine adversaries are all before thee. 20 Reproach hath broken my heart; and I am full of heaviness : and I looked for some to take pity , but there was none; and for comforters , but I found none. 21 They gave me also gall for my meat; and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink . 22 Let their table become a snare before them: and that which should have been for their welfare, let it become a trap. 23 Let their eyes be darkened , that they see not; and make their loins continually to shake . 24 Pour out thine indignation upon them, and let thy wrathful anger take hold of them. 25 Let their habitation be desolate ; and let none dwell in their tents. 26 For they persecute him whom thou hast smitten ; and they talk to the grief of those whom thou hast wounded. 27 Add iniquity unto their iniquity: and let them not come into thy righteousness. 28 Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous. 29 But I am poor and sorrowful : let thy salvation, O God, set me up on high . 30 I will praise the name of God with a song, and will magnify him with thanksgiving. 31 This also shall please the LORD better than an ox or bullock that hath horns and hoofs . 32 The humble shall see this, and be glad : and your heart shall live that seek God. 33 For the LORD heareth the poor, and despiseth not his prisoners. 34 Let the heaven and earth praise him, the seas, and every thing that moveth therein. 35 For God will save Zion, and will build the cities of Judah: that they may dwell there, and have it in possession . 36 The seed also of his servants shall inherit it: and they that love his name shall dwell therein.

    Make haste, O God, to deliver me; make haste to help me, O LORD. 2 Let them be ashamed and confounded that seek after my soul: let them be turned backward, and put to confusion , that desire my hurt. 3 Let them be turned back for a reward of their shame that say , Aha, aha. 4 Let all those that seek thee rejoice and be glad in thee: and let such as love thy salvation say continually, Let God be magnified . 5 But I am poor and needy: make haste unto me, O God: thou art my help and my deliverer ; O LORD, make no tarrying .

    In thee, O LORD, do I put my trust : let me never be put to confusion . 2 Deliver me in thy righteousness, and cause me to escape : incline thine ear unto me, and save me. 3 Be thou my strong habitation, whereunto I may continually resort : thou hast given commandment to save me; for thou art my rock and my fortress. 4 Deliver me, O my God, out of the hand of the wicked, out of the hand of the unrighteous and cruel man . 5 For thou art my hope, O Lord GOD: thou art my trust from my youth. 6 By thee have I been holden up from the womb: thou art he that took me out of my mother's bowels: my praise shall be continually of thee. 7 I am as a wonder unto many; but thou art my strong refuge. 8 Let my mouth be filled with thy praise and with thy honour all the day. 9 Cast me not off in the time of old age; forsake me not when my strength faileth . 10 For mine enemies speak against me; and they that lay wait for my soul take counsel together, 11 Saying , God hath forsaken him: persecute and take him; for there is none to deliver him. 12 O God, be not far from me: O my God, make haste for my help. 13 Let them be confounded and consumed that are adversaries to my soul; let them be covered with reproach and dishonour that seek my hurt. 14 But I will hope continually, and will yet praise thee more and more . 15 My mouth shall shew forth thy righteousness and thy salvation all the day; for I know not the numbers thereof. 16 I will go in the strength of the Lord GOD: I will make mention of thy righteousness, even of thine only. 17 O God, thou hast taught me from my youth: and hitherto have I declared thy wondrous works . 18 Now also when I am old and grayheaded, O God, forsake me not; until I have shewed thy strength unto this generation, and thy power to every one that is to come . 19 Thy righteousness also, O God, is very high, who hast done great things: O God, who is like unto thee! 20 Thou, which hast shewed me great and sore troubles, shalt quicken me again , and shalt bring me up again from the depths of the earth. 21 Thou shalt increase my greatness, and comfort me on every side . 22 I will also praise thee with the psaltery , even thy truth, O my God: unto thee will I sing with the harp, O thou Holy One of Israel. 23 My lips shall greatly rejoice when I sing unto thee; and my soul, which thou hast redeemed . 24 My tongue also shall talk of thy righteousness all the day long: for they are confounded , for they are brought unto shame , that seek my hurt.

    Give the king thy judgments, O God, and thy righteousness unto the king's son. 2 He shall judge thy people with righteousness, and thy poor with judgment. 3 The mountains shall bring peace to the people, and the little hills, by righteousness. 4 He shall judge the poor of the people, he shall save the children of the needy, and shall break in pieces the oppressor . 5 They shall fear thee as long as the sun and moon endure, throughout all generations. 6 He shall come down like rain upon the mown grass: as showers that water the earth. 7 In his days shall the righteous flourish ; and abundance of peace so long as the moon endureth. 8 He shall have dominion also from sea to sea, and from the river unto the ends of the earth. 9 They that dwell in the wilderness shall bow before him; and his enemies shall lick the dust. 10 The kings of Tarshish and of the isles shall bring presents: the kings of Sheba and Seba shall offer gifts. 11 Yea, all kings shall fall down before him: all nations shall serve him. 12 For he shall deliver the needy when he crieth ; the poor also, and him that hath no helper . 13 He shall spare the poor and needy, and shall save the souls of the needy. 14 He shall redeem their soul from deceit and violence: and precious shall their blood be in his sight. 15 And he shall live , and to him shall be given of the gold of Sheba: prayer also shall be made for him continually; and daily shall he be praised . 16 There shall be an handful of corn in the earth upon the top of the mountains; the fruit thereof shall shake like Lebanon: and they of the city shall flourish like grass of the earth. 17 His name shall endure for ever: his name shall be continued as long as the sun: and men shall be blessed in him: all nations shall call him blessed . 18 Blessed be the LORD God, the God of Israel, who only doeth wondrous things . 19 And blessed be his glorious name for ever: and let the whole earth be filled with his glory; Amen, and Amen. 20 The prayers of David the son of Jesse are ended .

    Truly God is good to Israel, even to such as are of a clean heart. 2 But as for me, my feet were almost gone ; my steps had well nigh slipped . 3 For I was envious at the foolish , when I saw the prosperity of the wicked. 4 For there are no bands in their death: but their strength is firm. 5 They are not in trouble as other men; neither are they plagued like other men. 6 Therefore pride compasseth them about as a chain ; violence covereth them as a garment. 7 Their eyes stand out with fatness: they have more than heart could wish. 8 They are corrupt , and speak wickedly concerning oppression: they speak loftily. 9 They set their mouth against the heavens, and their tongue walketh through the earth. 10 Therefore his people return hither: and waters of a full cup are wrung out to them. 11 And they say , How doth God know ? and is there knowledge in the most High? 12 Behold, these are the ungodly, who prosper in the world; they increase in riches. 13 Verily I have cleansed my heart in vain, and washed my hands in innocency. 14 For all the day long have I been plagued , and chastened every morning. 15 If I say , I will speak thus; behold, I should offend against the generation of thy children. 16 When I thought to know this, it was too painful for me; 17 Until I went into the sanctuary of God; then understood I their end. 18 Surely thou didst set them in slippery places: thou castedst them down into destruction. 19 How are they brought into desolation, as in a moment! they are utterly consumed with terrors. 20 As a dream when one awaketh ; so, O Lord, when thou awakest, thou shalt despise their image. 21 Thus my heart was grieved , and I was pricked in my reins. 22 So foolish was I, and ignorant : I was as a beast before thee. 23 Nevertheless I am continually with thee: thou hast holden me by my right hand. 24 Thou shalt guide me with thy counsel, and afterward receive me to glory. 25 Whom have I in heaven but thee? and there is none upon earth that I desire beside thee. 26 My flesh and my heart faileth : but God is the strength of my heart, and my portion for ever. 27 For, lo, they that are far from thee shall perish : thou hast destroyed all them that go a whoring from thee. 28 But it is good for me to draw near to God: I have put my trust in the Lord GOD, that I may declare all thy works.

    O God, why hast thou cast us off for ever? why doth thine anger smoke against the sheep of thy pasture? 2 Remember thy congregation, which thou hast purchased of old; the rod of thine inheritance, which thou hast redeemed ; this mount Zion, wherein thou hast dwelt . 3 Lift up thy feet unto the perpetual desolations; even all that the enemy hath done wickedly in the sanctuary. 4 Thine enemies roar in the midst of thy congregations; they set up their ensigns for signs. 5 A man was famous according as he had lifted up axes upon the thick trees. 6 But now they break down the carved work thereof at once with axes and hammers. 7 They have cast fire into thy sanctuary, they have defiled by casting down the dwelling place of thy name to the ground. 8 They said in their hearts, Let us destroy them together: they have burned up all the synagogues of God in the land. 9 We see not our signs: there is no more any prophet: neither is there among us any that knoweth how long. 10 O God, how long shall the adversary reproach ? shall the enemy blaspheme thy name for ever? 11 Why withdrawest thou thy hand, even thy right hand? pluck it out of thy bosom . 12 For God is my King of old, working salvation in the midst of the earth. 13 Thou didst divide the sea by thy strength: thou brakest the heads of the dragons in the waters. 14 Thou brakest the heads of leviathan in pieces, and gavest him to be meat to the people inhabiting the wilderness. 15 Thou didst cleave the fountain and the flood: thou driedst up mighty rivers. 16 The day is thine, the night also is thine: thou hast prepared the light and the sun. 17 Thou hast set all the borders of the earth: thou hast made summer and winter. 18 Remember this, that the enemy hath reproached , O LORD, and that the foolish people have blasphemed thy name. 19 O deliver not the soul of thy turtledove unto the multitude of the wicked: forget not the congregation of thy poor for ever. 20 Have respect unto the covenant: for the dark places of the earth are full of the habitations of cruelty. 21 O let not the oppressed return ashamed : let the poor and needy praise thy name. 22 Arise , O God, plead thine own cause: remember how the foolish man reproacheth thee daily. 23 Forget not the voice of thine enemies : the tumult of those that rise up against thee increaseth continually.

    Unto thee, O God, do we give thanks , unto thee do we give thanks : for that thy name is near thy wondrous works declare . 2 When I shall receive the congregation I will judge uprightly. 3 The earth and all the inhabitants thereof are dissolved : I bear up the pillars of it. Selah. 4 I said unto the fools , Deal not foolishly : and to the wicked, Lift not up the horn: 5 Lift not up your horn on high: speak not with a stiff neck. 6 For promotion cometh neither from the east, nor from the west, nor from the south. 7 But God is the judge : he putteth down one, and setteth up another. 8 For in the hand of the LORD there is a cup, and the wine is red ; it is full of mixture; and he poureth out of the same: but the dregs thereof, all the wicked of the earth shall wring them out , and drink them. 9 But I will declare for ever; I will sing praises to the God of Jacob. 10 All the horns of the wicked also will I cut off ; but the horns of the righteous shall be exalted .

    In Judah is God known : his name is great in Israel. 2 In Salem also is his tabernacle, and his dwelling place in Zion. 3 There brake he the arrows of the bow, the shield, and the sword, and the battle. Selah. 4 Thou art more glorious and excellent than the mountains of prey. 5 The stouthearted are spoiled , they have slept their sleep: and none of the men of might have found their hands. 6 At thy rebuke, O God of Jacob, both the chariot and horse are cast into a dead sleep . 7 Thou, even thou, art to be feared : and who may stand in thy sight when once thou art angry? 8 Thou didst cause judgment to be heard from heaven; the earth feared , and was still , 9 When God arose to judgment, to save all the meek of the earth. Selah. 10 Surely the wrath of man shall praise thee: the remainder of wrath shalt thou restrain . 11 Vow , and pay unto the LORD your God: let all that be round about him bring presents unto him that ought to be feared. 12 He shall cut off the spirit of princes: he is terrible to the kings of the earth.

    I cried unto God with my voice, even unto God with my voice; and he gave ear unto me. 2 In the day of my trouble I sought the Lord: my sore ran in the night, and ceased not: my soul refused to be comforted . 3 I remembered God, and was troubled : I complained , and my spirit was overwhelmed . Selah. 4 Thou holdest mine eyes waking: I am so troubled that I cannot speak . 5 I have considered the days of old, the years of ancient times. 6 I call to remembrance my song in the night: I commune with mine own heart: and my spirit made diligent search . 7 Will the Lord cast off for ever? and will he be favourable no more? 8 Is his mercy clean gone for ever? doth his promise fail for evermore ? 9 Hath God forgotten to be gracious ? hath he in anger shut up his tender mercies? Selah. 10 And I said , This is my infirmity : but I will remember the years of the right hand of the most High. 11 I will remember the works of the LORD: surely I will remember thy wonders of old. 12 I will meditate also of all thy work, and talk of thy doings. 13 Thy way, O God, is in the sanctuary: who is so great a God as our God? 14 Thou art the God that doest wonders: thou hast declared thy strength among the people. 15 Thou hast with thine arm redeemed thy people, the sons of Jacob and Joseph. Selah. 16 The waters saw thee, O God, the waters saw thee; they were afraid : the depths also were troubled . 17 The clouds poured out water: the skies sent out a sound: thine arrows also went abroad . 18 The voice of thy thunder was in the heaven: the lightnings lightened the world: the earth trembled and shook . 19 Thy way is in the sea, and thy path in the great waters, and thy footsteps are not known . 20 Thou leddest thy people like a flock by the hand of Moses and Aaron.

    Give ear , O my people, to my law: incline your ears to the words of my mouth. 2 I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old: 3 Which we have heard and known , and our fathers have told us. 4 We will not hide them from their children, shewing to the generation to come the praises of the LORD, and his strength, and his wonderful works that he hath done . 5 For he established a testimony in Jacob, and appointed a law in Israel, which he commanded our fathers, that they should make them known to their children: 6 That the generation to come might know them, even the children which should be born ; who should arise and declare them to their children: 7 That they might set their hope in God, and not forget the works of God, but keep his commandments: 8 And might not be as their fathers, a stubborn and rebellious generation; a generation that set not their heart aright , and whose spirit was not stedfast with God. 9 The children of Ephraim, being armed , and carrying bows, turned back in the day of battle. 10 They kept not the covenant of God, and refused to walk in his law; 11 And forgat his works, and his wonders that he had shewed them. 12 Marvellous things did he in the sight of their fathers, in the land of Egypt, in the field of Zoan. 13 He divided the sea, and caused them to pass through ; and he made the waters to stand as an heap. 14 In the daytime also he led them with a cloud, and all the night with a light of fire. 15 He clave the rocks in the wilderness, and gave them drink as out of the great depths. 16 He brought streams also out of the rock, and caused waters to run down like rivers. 17 And they sinned yet more against him by provoking the most High in the wilderness. 18 And they tempted God in their heart by asking meat for their lust. 19 Yea, they spake against God; they said , Can God furnish a table in the wilderness? 20 Behold, he smote the rock, that the waters gushed out , and the streams overflowed ; can he give bread also? can he provide flesh for his people? 21 Therefore the LORD heard this, and was wroth : so a fire was kindled against Jacob, and anger also came up against Israel; 22 Because they believed not in God, and trusted not in his salvation: 23 Though he had commanded the clouds from above, and opened the doors of heaven, 24 And had rained down manna upon them to eat , and had given them of the corn of heaven.

    Man did eat angels' food: he sent them meat to the full. 26 He caused an east wind to blow in the heaven: and by his power he brought in the south wind. 27 He rained flesh also upon them as dust, and feathered fowls like as the sand of the sea: 28 And he let it fall in the midst of their camp, round about their habitations. 29 So they did eat , and were well filled : for he gave them their own desire; 30 They were not estranged from their lust. But while their meat was yet in their mouths, 31 The wrath of God came upon them, and slew the fattest of them, and smote down the chosen men of Israel. 32 For all this they sinned still, and believed not for his wondrous works . 33 Therefore their days did he consume in vanity, and their years in trouble. 34 When he slew them, then they sought him: and they returned and enquired early after God. 35 And they remembered that God was their rock, and the high God their redeemer . 36 Nevertheless they did flatter him with their mouth, and they lied unto him with their tongues. 37 For their heart was not right with him, neither were they stedfast in his covenant. 38 But he, being full of compassion, forgave their iniquity, and destroyed them not: yea, many a time turned he his anger away , and did not stir up all his wrath. 39 For he remembered that they were but flesh; a wind that passeth away , and cometh not again . 40 How oft did they provoke him in the wilderness, and grieve him in the desert! 41 Yea, they turned back and tempted God, and limited the Holy One of Israel. 42 They remembered not his hand, nor the day when he delivered them from the enemy. 43 How he had wrought his signs in Egypt, and his wonders in the field of Zoan: 44 And had turned their rivers into blood; and their floods , that they could not drink . 45 He sent divers sorts of flies among them, which devoured them; and frogs, which destroyed them. 46 He gave also their increase unto the caterpiller, and their labour unto the locust. 47 He destroyed their vines with hail, and their sycomore trees with frost. 48 He gave up their cattle also to the hail, and their flocks to hot thunderbolts.

    He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels among them. 50 He made a way to his anger; he spared not their soul from death, but gave their life over to the pestilence; 51 And smote all the firstborn in Egypt; the chief of their strength in the tabernacles of Ham: 52 But made his own people to go forth like sheep, and guided them in the wilderness like a flock. 53 And he led them on safely, so that they feared not: but the sea overwhelmed their enemies . 54 And he brought them to the border of his sanctuary, even to this mountain, which his right hand had purchased . 55 He cast out the heathen also before them, and divided them an inheritance by line, and made the tribes of Israel to dwell in their tents. 56 Yet they tempted and provoked the most high God, and kept not his testimonies: 57 But turned back , and dealt unfaithfully like their fathers: they were turned aside like a deceitful bow. 58 For they provoked him to anger with their high places, and moved him to jealousy with their graven images. 59 When God heard this, he was wroth , and greatly abhorred Israel: 60 So that he forsook the tabernacle of Shiloh, the tent which he placed among men; 61 And delivered his strength into captivity, and his glory into the enemy's hand. 62 He gave his people over also unto the sword; and was wroth with his inheritance. 63 The fire consumed their young men; and their maidens were not given to marriage . 64 Their priests fell by the sword; and their widows made no lamentation . 65 Then the Lord awaked as one out of sleep, and like a mighty man that shouteth by reason of wine. 66 And he smote his enemies in the hinder parts: he put them to a perpetual reproach. 67 Moreover he refused the tabernacle of Joseph, and chose not the tribe of Ephraim: 68 But chose the tribe of Judah, the mount Zion which he loved . 69 And he built his sanctuary like high palaces, like the earth which he hath established for ever. 70 He chose David also his servant, and took him from the sheepfolds : 71 From following the ewes great with young he brought him to feed Jacob his people, and Israel his inheritance. 72 So he fed them according to the integrity of his heart; and guided them by the skilfulness of his hands.

    O God, the heathen are come into thine inheritance; thy holy temple have they defiled ; they have laid Jerusalem on heaps. 2 The dead bodies of thy servants have they given to be meat unto the fowls of the heaven, the flesh of thy saints unto the beasts of the earth. 3 Their blood have they shed like water round about Jerusalem; and there was none to bury them. 4 We are become a reproach to our neighbours, a scorn and derision to them that are round about us. 5 How long, LORD? wilt thou be angry for ever? shall thy jealousy burn like fire? 6 Pour out thy wrath upon the heathen that have not known thee, and upon the kingdoms that have not called upon thy name. 7 For they have devoured Jacob, and laid waste his dwelling place. 8 O remember not against us former iniquities: let thy tender mercies speedily prevent us: for we are brought very low . 9 Help us, O God of our salvation, for the glory of thy name: and deliver us, and purge away our sins, for thy name's sake. 10 Wherefore should the heathen say , Where is their God? let him be known among the heathen in our sight by the revenging of the blood of thy servants which is shed . 11 Let the sighing of the prisoner come before thee; according to the greatness of thy power preserve thou those that are appointed to die; 12 And render unto our neighbours sevenfold into their bosom their reproach, wherewith they have reproached thee, O Lord. 13 So we thy people and sheep of thy pasture will give thee thanks for ever: we will shew forth thy praise to all generations.

    Give ear , O Shepherd of Israel, thou that leadest Joseph like a flock; thou that dwellest between the cherubims, shine forth . 2 Before Ephraim and Benjamin and Manasseh stir up thy strength, and come and save us. 3 Turn us again , O God, and cause thy face to shine ; and we shall be saved . 4 O LORD God of hosts, how long wilt thou be angry against the prayer of thy people? 5 Thou feedest them with the bread of tears; and givest them tears to drink in great measure. 6 Thou makest us a strife unto our neighbours: and our enemies laugh among themselves. 7 Turn us again , O God of hosts, and cause thy face to shine ; and we shall be saved . 8 Thou hast brought a vine out of Egypt: thou hast cast out the heathen, and planted it. 9 Thou preparedst room before it, and didst cause it to take deep root , and it filled the land. 10 The hills were covered with the shadow of it, and the boughs thereof were like the goodly cedars. 11 She sent out her boughs unto the sea, and her branches unto the river. 12 Why hast thou then broken down her hedges, so that all they which pass by the way do pluck her? 13 The boar out of the wood doth waste it, and the wild beast of the field doth devour it. 14 Return , we beseech thee, O God of hosts: look down from heaven, and behold , and visit this vine; 15 And the vineyard which thy right hand hath planted , and the branch that thou madest strong for thyself. 16 It is burned with fire, it is cut down : they perish at the rebuke of thy countenance. 17 Let thy hand be upon the man of thy right hand, upon the son of man whom thou madest strong for thyself. 18 So will not we go back from thee: quicken us, and we will call upon thy name. 19 Turn us again , O LORD God of hosts, cause thy face to shine ; and we shall be saved .

    Sing aloud unto God our strength: make a joyful noise unto the God of Jacob. 2 Take a psalm, and bring hither the timbrel, the pleasant harp with the psaltery. 3 Blow up the trumpet in the new moon, in the time appointed, on our solemn feast day. 4 For this was a statute for Israel, and a law of the God of Jacob. 5 This he ordained in Joseph for a testimony, when he went out through the land of Egypt: where I heard a language that I understood not. 6 I removed his shoulder from the burden: his hands were delivered from the pots. 7 Thou calledst in trouble, and I delivered thee; I answered thee in the secret place of thunder: I proved thee at the waters of Meribah. Selah. 8 Hear , O my people, and I will testify unto thee: O Israel, if thou wilt hearken unto me; 9 There shall no strange god be in thee; neither shalt thou worship any strange god. 10 I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt: open thy mouth wide , and I will fill it. 11 But my people would not hearken to my voice; and Israel would none of me. 12 So I gave them up unto their own hearts' lust: and they walked in their own counsels. 13 Oh that my people had hearkened unto me, and Israel had walked in my ways! 14 I should soon have subdued their enemies , and turned my hand against their adversaries. 15 The haters of the LORD should have submitted themselves unto him: but their time should have endured for ever. 16 He should have fed them also with the finest of the wheat: and with honey out of the rock should I have satisfied thee.

    God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods. 2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah. 3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy . 4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked. 5 They know not, neither will they understand ; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course . 6 I have said , Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. 7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes. 8 Arise , O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.

    Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace , and be not still , O God. 2 For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult : and they that hate thee have lifted up the head. 3 They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones . 4 They have said , Come , and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance . 5 For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee: 6 The tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes; 7 Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre; 8 Assur also is joined with them: they have holpen the children of Lot. Selah. 9 Do unto them as unto the Midianites; as to Sisera, as to Jabin, at the brook of Kison: 10 Which perished at Endor: they became as dung for the earth. 11 Make their nobles like Oreb, and like Zeeb: yea, all their princes as Zebah, and as Zalmunna: 12 Who said , Let us take to ourselves the houses of God in possession . 13 O my God, make them like a wheel; as the stubble before the wind. 14 As the fire burneth a wood, and as the flame setteth the mountains on fire ; 15 So persecute them with thy tempest, and make them afraid with thy storm. 16 Fill their faces with shame; that they may seek thy name, O LORD. 17 Let them be confounded and troubled for ever; yea, let them be put to shame , and perish : 18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.

    How amiable are thy tabernacles, O LORD of hosts! 2 My soul longeth , yea, even fainteth for the courts of the LORD: my heart and my flesh crieth out for the living God. 3 Yea, the sparrow hath found an house, and the swallow a nest for herself, where she may lay her young, even thine altars, O LORD of hosts, my King, and my God. 4 Blessed are they that dwell in thy house: they will be still praising thee. Selah. 5 Blessed is the man whose strength is in thee; in whose heart are the ways of them. 6 Who passing through the valley of Baca make it a well; the rain also filleth the pools. 7 They go from strength to strength, every one of them in Zion appeareth before God. 8 O LORD God of hosts, hear my prayer: give ear , O God of Jacob. Selah. 9 Behold , O God our shield, and look upon the face of thine anointed. 10 For a day in thy courts is better than a thousand. I had rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God, than to dwell in the tents of wickedness. 11 For the LORD God is a sun and shield: the LORD will give grace and glory: no good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly. 12 O LORD of hosts, blessed is the man that trusteth in thee.

    LORD, thou hast been favourable unto thy land: thou hast brought back the captivity of Jacob. 2 Thou hast forgiven the iniquity of thy people, thou hast covered all their sin. Selah. 3 Thou hast taken away all thy wrath: thou hast turned thyself from the fierceness of thine anger. 4 Turn us, O God of our salvation, and cause thine anger toward us to cease . 5 Wilt thou be angry with us for ever? wilt thou draw out thine anger to all generations? 6 Wilt thou not revive us again : that thy people may rejoice in thee? 7 Shew us thy mercy, O LORD, and grant us thy salvation. 8 I will hear what God the LORD will speak : for he will speak peace unto his people, and to his saints: but let them not turn again to folly. 9 Surely his salvation is nigh them that fear him; that glory may dwell in our land. 10 Mercy and truth are met together ; righteousness and peace have kissed each other. 11 Truth shall spring out of the earth; and righteousness shall look down from heaven. 12 Yea, the LORD shall give that which is good; and our land shall yield her increase. 13 Righteousness shall go before him; and shall set us in the way of his steps.

    Bow down thine ear, O LORD, hear me: for I am poor and needy. 2 Preserve my soul; for I am holy: O thou my God, save thy servant that trusteth in thee. 3 Be merciful unto me, O Lord: for I cry unto thee daily. 4 Rejoice the soul of thy servant: for unto thee, O Lord, do I lift up my soul. 5 For thou, Lord, art good, and ready to forgive; and plenteous in mercy unto all them that call upon thee. 6 Give ear , O LORD, unto my prayer; and attend to the voice of my supplications. 7 In the day of my trouble I will call upon thee: for thou wilt answer me. 8 Among the gods there is none like unto thee, O Lord; neither are there any works like unto thy works. 9 All nations whom thou hast made shall come and worship before thee, O Lord; and shall glorify thy name. 10 For thou art great, and doest wondrous things : thou art God alone. 11 Teach me thy way, O LORD; I will walk in thy truth: unite my heart to fear thy name. 12 I will praise thee, O Lord my God, with all my heart: and I will glorify thy name for evermore. 13 For great is thy mercy toward me: and thou hast delivered my soul from the lowest hell. 14 O God, the proud are risen against me, and the assemblies of violent men have sought after my soul; and have not set thee before them. 15 But thou, O Lord, art a God full of compassion, and gracious, longsuffering , and plenteous in mercy and truth. 16 O turn unto me, and have mercy upon me; give thy strength unto thy servant, and save the son of thine handmaid. 17 Shew me a token for good; that they which hate me may see it, and be ashamed : because thou, LORD, hast holpen me, and comforted me.

    His foundation is in the holy mountains. 2 The LORD loveth the gates of Zion more than all the dwellings of Jacob. 3 Glorious things are spoken of thee, O city of God. Selah. 4 I will make mention of Rahab and Babylon to them that know me: behold Philistia, and Tyre, with Ethiopia; this man was born there. 5 And of Zion it shall be said , This and that man was born in her: and the highest himself shall establish her. 6 The LORD shall count , when he writeth up the people, that this man was born there. Selah. 7 As well the singers as the players on instruments shall be there: all my springs are in thee.

    O LORD God of my salvation, I have cried day and night before thee: 2 Let my prayer come before thee: incline thine ear unto my cry; 3 For my soul is full of troubles: and my life draweth nigh unto the grave. 4 I am counted with them that go down into the pit: I am as a man that hath no strength: 5 Free among the dead , like the slain that lie in the grave, whom thou rememberest no more: and they are cut off from thy hand. 6 Thou hast laid me in the lowest pit, in darkness, in the deeps. 7 Thy wrath lieth hard upon me, and thou hast afflicted me with all thy waves. Selah. 8 Thou hast put away mine acquaintance far from me; thou hast made me an abomination unto them: I am shut up , and I cannot come forth . 9 Mine eye mourneth by reason of affliction: LORD, I have called daily upon thee, I have stretched out my hands unto thee. 10 Wilt thou shew wonders to the dead ? shall the dead arise and praise thee? Selah. 11 Shall thy lovingkindness be declared in the grave? or thy faithfulness in destruction? 12 Shall thy wonders be known in the dark? and thy righteousness in the land of forgetfulness? 13 But unto thee have I cried , O LORD; and in the morning shall my prayer prevent thee. 14 LORD, why castest thou off my soul? why hidest thou thy face from me? 15 I am afflicted and ready to die from my youth up: while I suffer thy terrors I am distracted . 16 Thy fierce wrath goeth over me; thy terrors have cut me off . 17 They came round about me daily like water; they compassed me about together. 18 Lover and friend hast thou put far from me, and mine acquaintance into darkness.

    I will sing of the mercies of the LORD for ever: with my mouth will I make known thy faithfulness to all generations. 2 For I have said , Mercy shall be built up for ever: thy faithfulness shalt thou establish in the very heavens. 3 I have made a covenant with my chosen, I have sworn unto David my servant, 4 Thy seed will I establish for ever, and build up thy throne to all generations. Selah. 5 And the heavens shall praise thy wonders, O LORD: thy faithfulness also in the congregation of the saints. 6 For who in the heaven can be compared unto the LORD? who among the sons of the mighty can be likened unto the LORD? 7 God is greatly to be feared in the assembly of the saints, and to be had in reverence of all them that are about him. 8 O LORD God of hosts, who is a strong LORD like unto thee? or to thy faithfulness round about thee? 9 Thou rulest the raging of the sea: when the waves thereof arise , thou stillest them. 10 Thou hast broken Rahab in pieces , as one that is slain; thou hast scattered thine enemies with thy strong arm. 11 The heavens are thine, the earth also is thine: as for the world and the fulness thereof, thou hast founded them. 12 The north and the south thou hast created them: Tabor and Hermon shall rejoice in thy name. 13 Thou hast a mighty arm: strong is thy hand, and high is thy right hand. 14 Justice and judgment are the habitation of thy throne: mercy and truth shall go before thy face. 15 Blessed is the people that know the joyful sound: they shall walk , O LORD, in the light of thy countenance. 16 In thy name shall they rejoice all the day: and in thy righteousness shall they be exalted . 17 For thou art the glory of their strength: and in thy favour our horn shall be exalted . 18 For the LORD is our defence; and the Holy One of Israel is our king. 19 Then thou spakest in vision to thy holy one, and saidst , I have laid help upon one that is mighty; I have exalted one chosen out of the people. 20 I have found David my servant; with my holy oil have I anointed him: 21 With whom my hand shall be established : mine arm also shall strengthen him. 22 The enemy shall not exact upon him; nor the son of wickedness afflict him. 23 And I will beat down his foes before his face, and plague them that hate him. 24 But my faithfulness and my mercy shall be with him: and in my name shall his horn be exalted .

    I will set his hand also in the sea, and his right hand in the rivers. 26 He shall cry unto me, Thou art my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation. 27 Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. 28 My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him. 29 His seed also will I make to endure for ever, and his throne as the days of heaven. 30 If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments; 31 If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments; 32 Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes. 33 Nevertheless my lovingkindness will I not utterly take from him, nor suffer my faithfulness to fail . 34 My covenant will I not break , nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips. 35 Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David. 36 His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me. 37 It shall be established for ever as the moon, and as a faithful witness in heaven. Selah. 38 But thou hast cast off and abhorred , thou hast been wroth with thine anointed. 39 Thou hast made void the covenant of thy servant: thou hast profaned his crown by casting it to the ground. 40 Thou hast broken down all his hedges; thou hast brought his strong holds to ruin. 41 All that pass by the way spoil him: he is a reproach to his neighbours. 42 Thou hast set up the right hand of his adversaries; thou hast made all his enemies to rejoice . 43 Thou hast also turned the edge of his sword, and hast not made him to stand in the battle. 44 Thou hast made his glory to cease , and cast his throne down to the ground. 45 The days of his youth hast thou shortened : thou hast covered him with shame. Selah. 46 How long, LORD? wilt thou hide thyself for ever? shall thy wrath burn like fire? 47 Remember how short my time is: wherefore hast thou made all men in vain? 48 What man is he that liveth , and shall not see death? shall he deliver his soul from the hand of the grave? Selah. 49 Lord, where are thy former lovingkindnesses, which thou swarest unto David in thy truth? 50 Remember , Lord, the reproach of thy servants; how I do bear in my bosom the reproach of all the mighty people; 51 Wherewith thine enemies have reproached , O LORD; wherewith they have reproached the footsteps of thine anointed. 52 Blessed be the LORD for evermore. Amen, and Amen.

    Lord, thou hast been our dwelling place in all generations. 2 Before the mountains were brought forth , or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God. 3 Thou turnest man to destruction; and sayest , Return , ye children of men. 4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past , and as a watch in the night. 5 Thou carriest them away as with a flood ; they are as a sleep: in the morning they are like grass which groweth up . 6 In the morning it flourisheth , and groweth up ; in the evening it is cut down , and withereth . 7 For we are consumed by thine anger, and by thy wrath are we troubled . 8 Thou hast set our iniquities before thee, our secret sins in the light of thy countenance. 9 For all our days are passed away in thy wrath: we spend our years as a tale that is told. 10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off , and we fly away . 11 Who knoweth the power of thine anger? even according to thy fear, so is thy wrath. 12 So teach us to number our days, that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom. 13 Return , O LORD, how long? and let it repent thee concerning thy servants. 14 O satisfy us early with thy mercy; that we may rejoice and be glad all our days. 15 Make us glad according to the days wherein thou hast afflicted us, and the years wherein we have seen evil. 16 Let thy work appear unto thy servants, and thy glory unto their children. 17 And let the beauty of the LORD our God be upon us: and establish thou the work of our hands upon us; yea, the work of our hands establish thou it.


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    Post  blue roller Mon Dec 14, 2015 2:26 pm

    In the Intelligence community they don't call it Religion , they call it Misdirection.

    The concept is simple .In order to deceive and manipulate your enemy , you lay down a trail of tasty tid bits manufactured to be alluring enough to lead your prey in to a well laid trap.

    We have all laid down crumbs to lead the Chickens back in to the Pen. That's all religion is .

    I have seen wild birds talking to domesticated ones . Its fascinating to watch .

    In order to imprint and secure the slaves to their system of thought (or rather lack of it) , the churches encourage addiction ,perversion , and forbidden pleasures of every kind . Its called the eleventh commandment.

    'Thous shalt not get caught'.

    The mental prison bars are built with a well crafted veneer of tasty ego indulging lies and half truths . Conceit is a powerful way to manipulate people.
    Just tell them they are 'special' or 'chosen of god' and they will have a sense of Mission and entitlement.

    Before you know it they will use every sleazy trick in the book to line their pockets and acquire as much power and influence as possible for 'their god'.

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    Post  shiloh Mon Dec 14, 2015 5:02 pm

    Sacrificial Slaughter of Humans to Allah

    Brook wrote:
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    You know I didn't just happen upon this thread due to some conflict of ego among the membership here.

    I've actually spent long hours writing about this subject of the Gods and there are some pretty bad one's out there.

    But what is worse are the people that worship them.  If guided to do some of the things they've done are from such Gods well shame on that God.

    The Alter...is of primary interest and has been used for horrendous crimes against humanity through ritual sacrifice for such things as a better crops to appease these gods.  Unfortunately these still are occurring today unbeknownst to the general population.  rumors abound about it but proof is covered by hordes of money that would squash such rumors.

    It would seem unfathomable and unbelievable to even consider I know.  But it does occur.  Children are the primary target and this is the most disturbing aspect of it.  Again only rumored but I know....I KNOW...it happens.  KNOW does not mean think...it means KNOW.

    And it happens not by gods but by ordinary men and women who have lost their sense of ALL reason to self glorification and stature.  Period!

    Somewhere on this forum I spent a great deal of writing about it and it made me sick.  

    Which begs the question....did the gods they are serving these rituals up to require this or was this simply a man made concept?  If it is man made there is a sickness so perverse among humanity that I simply cannot fathom.

    From the time I was a child and most children will adhere to this which is innocence.  What is common in such ritual is it must be repeated as it has a half life that needs to be repeated.  Which is again seen in the ritual of church worship and seems to be a hidden component. Hence the repetition of such worship at an alter.

    I could go on but I'll quit there and simply say humanity has the free will to stop such ritual if they were aware exactly what it was they were worshiping.  To worship some dead guy on a cross is rather primitive and will not make up for the massive sins of humanity praying on itself.

    Some dead guy on a cross? You better hope with all you've got that this guy is not dead.
    Otherwise the horrendous things you KNOW will never stop on this god forsaken place in the universe. And god forsaken it is for many!

    http://shoebat.com/2014/03/17/actual-literal-islamic-human-slaughterhouses-christians-discovered/
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    Post  blue roller Mon Dec 14, 2015 6:07 pm

    There is a Famous piece of literature that everyone knows Called hamlet and in his famous soliloquy he ponders the meaning of bridging two worlds. The living and the dead. He is talking about OBE.

    To sleep, perchance to dream.

    For in that sleep of death WHAT DREAMS MAY COME. (Robin Williams Film)

    ...The dread of something after death ,the undiscovered country (Star Trek) ,from whose bourn (jason) no traveler returns.............

    Those who would dare to dream will no longer be in chains .

    To overcome the fear of death you must face it .

    Alone. In the cave of your own mind . Where the monster implanted by religion waits to be slain .

    Jesus cant do it for you . No one but you .
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    Post  Sanicle Mon Dec 14, 2015 9:20 pm

    shiloh wrote:

    ]Some dead guy on a cross? You better hope with all you've got that this guy is not dead.
    Otherwise the horrendous things you KNOW will never stop on this god forsaken place in the universe. And god forsaken it is for many!


    Aaah Shiloh.  How many Christians do you think would have prayed to Christ to be saved from the ISIL idiots that raped and slaughtered them anyway?  To no avail.  How many around the world do you think have prayed for thousands of years for themselves and their loved ones' health and safety, only to see them suffer and die anyway?

    THAT is the elephant in the room for all who have faith.
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    Post  shiloh Mon Dec 14, 2015 9:45 pm

    Sanicle wrote:
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    shiloh wrote:

    Some dead guy on a cross? You better hope with all you've got that this guy is not dead.
    Otherwise the horrendous things you KNOW will never stop on this god forsaken place in the universe. And god forsaken it is for many!


    Aaah Shiloh.  How many Christians do you think would have prayed to Christ to be saved from the ISIL idiots that raped and slaughtered them anyway?  To no avail.  How many around the world do you think have prayed for thousands of years for themselves and their loved ones' health and safety, only to see them suffer and die anyway?

    THAT is the elephant in the room for all who have faith.

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    Your words will haunt you, if you be not careful Sanicle with a loose tongue and a wicked heart of unbelief.

    Romans 8:21-23 - King James Version (KJV)
    21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
    22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
    23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.


    2 Peter 3:4-KJV
    And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

    Luke 19:22-KJV
    And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow:

    Psalm 75:2-KJV
    When I shall receive the congregation I will judge uprightly

    Psalm 82:2-KJV
    How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.

    Psalm 135:14-KJV
    For the Lord will judge his people, and he will repent himself concerning his servants.

    Ezekiel 33:20-KJV
    Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. O ye house of Israel, I will judge you every one after his ways

    Now what might this necessary congregation be Sanicle? And are you in it? I can assure you however, that you are in the House of Israel!
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    Post  Sanicle Mon Dec 14, 2015 10:44 pm

    Shiloh I believe it's entirely possible that the 'god' in religions such as those focused on here have been created in the deep, dark recesses of mankind's own unconscious mind to give themselves justification for their own hate, lusts, weakness and bigotry.  Alternatively they could be the creation of some megalomaniacal  ET also, as many believe.  Although my heart does relate to a lot of the 'teachings' accredited to Jesus, the obvious being "Love they neighbour......." and "Do unto others........" etc, so him I don't mind. Those 'teachings' definitely changed the world for the better.

    I think the problem we have in this world is the thousands who willingly follow the negative side of any teachings, like the ISIL lot, who don't just recognize in their own hearts and minds that following such behaviour is just WRONG.  It's on their own individual heads that I place the blame.
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    Post  Brook Mon Dec 14, 2015 11:09 pm

    Dang!  Tony Spanked me again!  Blink

    But seriously Tony...I was not referring to the living Christ.

    I was very serious however when I said they are worshiping a dead guy on a cross.

    If they truly believed in the Living Christ would they actually behave as they do?

    Now of course I'm not speaking of all parishioners and generalizing.  But how many people go to church on Sunday only to do those sins that they are there to be forgiven for?  Christ died for our sins right?


    Now of course you are well aware I cannot quote the Bible like you can.

    But when somebody...anybody...goes to church and gives testimony/or confession depending on their church and claims savior in Christ then the very next day goes out and commits the same or worse crime or sin.  Do you honestly believe they are worshiping the living Christ?  No...they are not.  They are worshiping a dead guy on the cross.

    This is all I meant by that.  While I say this there are multitudes of those parishioners that do just that every single day.  So their faith is a moot point and of course this is something I've often witnessed and I'm certain others have too.  

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    This I do know an alter is meant for sacrifice anyway you put it.  In fact I just found this and will share it.  But I'm certain you know this and am putting this up for the other interested readers.

    altar

    Hebrew: “mizbe'ah,” “mizbeach” (prononced: miz-bay'-akh), meaning “an altar” from a word meaning “to slay;” Greek: “thusiasterion,” (pronounced: thoo-see-as-tay'-ree-on) meaning a place of sacrifice, i.e., an altar

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    Biblical altars were generally structures of earth (Exodus 20:24) or of stones that had not been hewn (20:25). Sacrifices were offered on them. Altars were generally erected in conspicuous places (Genesis 22:9; Ezek. 6:3; 2 Kings 23:12; 16:4; 23:8; Acts 14:13).

    The word altar is used in Hebrews 13:10 for the sacrifice offered upon it—the sacrifice Christ offered.

    Paul found among the many altars erected in Athens one bearing the inscription, “To the unknown God” (Acts 17:23), or rather “to an [i.e., some] unknown God.” The reason for this inscription cannot now be accurately determined. However, it offered the apostle the opportunity to proclaim the gospel to the “men of Athens.”

    THE FIRST BLOOD SACRIFICES are mentioned in connection with Adam and Eve (God's shedding of animal blood to make coverings for them) and their son Abel’s offerings (Genesis 3-4).

    THE FIRST ALTAR specifically mentioned in the Bible is the one erected by Noah (Genesis 8:20), although we assume that Adam and the pre-Flood patriarchs also used altars for their sacrifices. Altars were erected by Abraham (Genesis 12:7; 13:4; 22:9), by Isaac (Genesis 26:25), by Jacob (33:20; 35:1, 3), and by Moses (Exodus 17:15, “Jehovah-nissi”).
    From here:

    http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/altar.html

    But this is my point....When those priests attacked the children and got caught...did they worship a living Christ?  I have a very hard time believing they did.  Mind you...these were priests and not simply parishioners.

    Now radical Islam is a great concern and I completely agree with you that this goes way beyond moderate Muslims and we'd better take notice NOW and not later given the trends.  France, San Bernardino were and are a ritual sacrifice if ever there was one.  I agree we'd better hope something intervenes real soon...what that may be will certainly test ones faith that is for certain.
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    Post  shiloh Tue Dec 15, 2015 12:43 am

    Brook wrote:
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    Dang!  Tony Spanked me again!  Blink

    But seriously Tony...I was not referring to the living Christ.

    I was very serious however when I said they are worshiping a dead guy on a cross.

    If they truly believed in the Living Christ would they actually behave as they do?

    Now of course I'm not speaking of all parishioners and generalizing.  But how many people go to church on Sunday only to do those sins that they are there to be forgiven for?  Christ died for our sins right?


    Now of course you are well aware I cannot quote the Bible like you can.

    But when somebody...anybody...goes to church and gives testimony/or confession depending on their church and claims savior in Christ then the very next day goes out and commits the same or worse crime or sin.  Do you honestly believe they are worshiping the living Christ?  No...they are not.  They are worshiping a dead guy on the cross.

    This is all I meant by that.  While I say this there are multitudes of those parishioners that do just that every single day.  So their faith is a moot point and of course this is something I've often witnessed and I'm certain others have too.  

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    This I do know an alter is meant for sacrifice anyway you put it.  In fact I just found this and will share it.  But I'm certain you know this and am putting this up for the other interested readers.

    altar

    Hebrew: “mizbe'ah,” “mizbeach” (prononced: miz-bay'-akh), meaning “an altar” from a word meaning “to slay;” Greek: “thusiasterion,” (pronounced: thoo-see-as-tay'-ree-on) meaning a place of sacrifice, i.e., an altar

    ~

    Biblical altars were generally structures of earth (Exodus 20:24) or of stones that had not been hewn (20:25). Sacrifices were offered on them. Altars were generally erected in conspicuous places (Genesis 22:9; Ezek. 6:3; 2 Kings 23:12; 16:4; 23:8; Acts 14:13).

    The word altar is used in Hebrews 13:10 for the sacrifice offered upon it—the sacrifice Christ offered.

    Paul found among the many altars erected in Athens one bearing the inscription, “To the unknown God” (Acts 17:23), or rather “to an [i.e., some] unknown God.” The reason for this inscription cannot now be accurately determined. However, it offered the apostle the opportunity to proclaim the gospel to the “men of Athens.”

    THE FIRST BLOOD SACRIFICES are mentioned in connection with Adam and Eve (God's shedding of animal blood to make coverings for them) and their son Abel’s offerings (Genesis 3-4).

    THE FIRST ALTAR specifically mentioned in the Bible is the one erected by Noah (Genesis 8:20), although we assume that Adam and the pre-Flood patriarchs also used altars for their sacrifices. Altars were erected by Abraham (Genesis 12:7; 13:4; 22:9), by Isaac (Genesis 26:25), by Jacob (33:20; 35:1, 3), and by Moses (Exodus 17:15, “Jehovah-nissi”).
    From here:

    http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/altar.html

    But this is my point....When those priests attacked the children and got caught...did they worship a living Christ?  I have a very hard time believing they did.  Mind you...these were priests and not simply parishioners.

    Now radical Islam is a great concern and I completely agree with you that this goes way beyond moderate Muslims and we'd better take notice NOW and not later given the trends.  France, San Bernardino were and are a ritual sacrifice if ever there was one.  I agree we'd better hope something intervenes real soon...what that may be will certainly test ones faith that is for certain.

    Now of course I'm not speaking of all parishioners and generalizing.  But how many people go to church on Sunday only to do those sins that they are there to be forgiven for?  Christ died for our sins right?
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    But when somebody...anybody...goes to church and gives testimony/or confession depending on their church and claims savior in Christ then the very next day goes out and commits the same or worse crime or sin.  Do you honestly believe they are worshiping the living Christ?  No...they are not.  They are worshiping a dead guy on the cross.
    This is all I meant by that.  While I say this there are multitudes of those parishioners that do just that every single day.  So their faith is a moot point and of course this is something I've often witnessed and I'm certain others have too.
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    THE FIRST BLOOD SACRIFICES are mentioned in connection with Adam and Eve (God's shedding of animal blood to make coverings for them) and their son Abel’s offerings (Genesis 3-4).
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    Yes, I can agree with you here, no problem. I have not seen the inside of a church since 1980 and 1982 at weddings.
    The Jesus of the tele-evangelists is a fake Jesus and the Jesus of the more orthodox denominations and as 'proclaimed' from the pulpits more often than not is also dressed in the falseness of the 'preachers' .
    The so called liberal-modernizing-demystifying 'Jesus Seminar' of academia has utterly betrayed even the remaining integrity of the true Christianity of the first century.

    The problem is with the 'blood sacrifices' as you well understand. And this applies to the Torah and the Pentateuch as well as to the Talmud of the traditions.
    It is of course those 'traditions' of the Old Testament and Jewish orthodoxy, which were copied by the early caliphs who created the Qur'an by such plagiarism.

    Now, the actual secularly validated history of Israel does not begin until about 800BC and so whilst the genealogies of Abraham-Isaac-Jacob can be traced to the environments of the Levant, ancient Mesopotamia (Ur) and the 'Middle East' (Nineveh), it does not imply that the old patriarchs existed as real personages.
    Until the 'Age of the Kings,' it can be inferred that none of the so called characters until say David even existed apart from a constructed lineage, using an oral history in Homeresque superposition of the tribal memories.

    This does not mean however, that the Pentateuch should be ignored as a relevant account of a metaphysical history. The story of Adam and Eve and Noah's Flood and Moses' Exodus can however become quasi physical representations of a potent metaphysics.
    If the reader can entertain this proposition, then many literal interpretations of the Torah, say for example the 'blood sacrifice' of Isaac by Abraham and also the countless 'animal sacrifices' can be reinterpreted in a new archetypology of symbols and memeplexed associations and correspondences.

    If the reader then can follow those logistics; then the transformation of the Old Testament/Torah of Judaism into the New Testament of (the true, not the ubiquitous fake) Christianity can become easily understood as the evolvement of the metaphysics itself.

    One such decoding of course understands the 'chosen nation' Israel of the Old Testament as the 'Greater Nation Israel' of the New Testament as say the Jews with the Gentiles as One Family of the 'Father' as defined by Jesus and not any people.
    It is this 'Greater Future Nation Israel' of the Torah which becomes metaphysically mirrored as the 'Great Nation Islam' of Islamic State.

    How then can all humans become Israel?
    As every human incarnated into a body has a earthly birthday and as there are 365-366 days in a yearly cycle, the 12 tribes or clans naturally allow the Greater Israel to become a global family of say months or star signs. Thuban has defined details about this previously in a number of places.

    Now what are the 'blood sacrifices' in the Torah?
    They are said to be predominantly lamb-sheeps and calf-bulls and kid-goats and a one-to-one mathematical correspondence to the star signs renders the latter as the tribes of Aries-Reuben and Taurus-Simeon and Capricorn-Zebulon.
    Now the diligent Torah reader and Bible student can figure out that the firstborn Reuben Aries 'loses' his birthright to the 4th born Judah Leo and the 12th born Joseph Aquarius in something termed the 'Rulership or Scepter' and the 'material prosperity' respectively.
    This researcher can also find out that for the 'inheritor' of the 'material blessings' to be born, the 9th born Sagittarius Issachar and the 10th born Capricorn Zebulon must precede him in a symbol of  the 'fertility mandrake' of  Aries Reuben, son of Leah given to Rachel, mother of Joseph. (Genesis.29.30-30.24).

    Now assign the 1st born as a sacrificial lamb, the 2nd born as a sacrificial calf and the 10th born as a sacrificial kid and DECODE the loss of Aries Reuben's birthright (he 'defiled' the bed of his father 1Chronicles.5.1-2) and you can eliminate ALL PHYSICAL blood sacrifices by understanding the stories of the 'blood shed' as that of the 'loss or transfer' of the blood lineage with the 11th born Dinah, daughter of Leah ending the male decad and rendering the 10th born as the right beginning and the 1st born as the left beginning for this completed circle and before Rachel had her two sons in the 12th born Joseph Aquarius and the 13th born Pisces Benjamin of the so called mazzaroth of Job known as the Greek or Mesopotamian Zodiak.

    Abraham so being asked by Yahweh to sacrifice his second son Isaac; and a story template often used by scripture deniers and skeptics of the metaphysics aka the super abused label of the 'spirituality' to indicate the brutality and violence of the Old Testament; simply transforms into a new symbol of genealogical succession.
    Because if Abraham, himself an archetype and a honorific which applies to EVERY incarnated human male, as does Adam and Noah by the way; would have 'killed' his son Isaac, then his own bloodline and 'universal inheritance' from Sarah, would have been forfeited and would have been given to Abraham's first born son Ishmael by Abraham's concubine or Sarah's 'slave or handmaiden' the Egyptian Hagar (16.1-4;21-22.18).
    Now the critical thing here is, that Abraham was renamed to Abraham AFTER he had sired Ishmael (Genesis.17) indicating to the interested reader and researcher just how detailed and exact the scriptures are, should someone succeed to decode them in an appropriate and self consistent and logical fashion of the memeplexifications aka the 'secrets of the scriptures'.

    The 'altar' as the 'body of the sacrifice' so becomes the symbol of your incarnated self within a morphology of the temple of your physicality, the home for your soul, essence or 'spiritual higher self' - or universal selfhood.
    A nirvanistic transcendental humanism or 'escape' from the particular individualistic selfhood of the body is no longer required; should the 'collapsed waveform' of the soul or eternal self reealise just where and what and who it is in a unified wave-particle duality or chicken-egg RNA-DNA paradoxity. You can indeed eschew the maya of the illusion inh being comfortable in your individuation. But you must realise where and what and who you are in a loss of personal ignorance or the original 'sin' of your human birthright.

    As the scriptures are in fact memeplexed, they are also highly potent in the metaphysics and the millennia old war between the perceived descendants of Ishmael from Abram and Hagar as the Arabs and the descendents from Abraham and Sarah as the Hebrews (Jews and Israelites say) an be understood in the potency of the evolving memeplexes defining say their physical distinctions from their metaphysical (or spiritual) origins.

    Furthermore, the 'blood thirstyness' of the Old Testament in SWORDS of conquest becomes the 'Love thy Enemy' (and Neighbour-BrotherSister-Other Mirror Self) of the Christian New Testament in metamorphosing the SWORD into the WORDS of the moshiach-messiah 'anointed one' of Jesus the Christ.

    Of course you can now understand that the physical descendents of Isaac in modern secular Israel have indeed evolved past the SWORD of the Old Testament; whilst the descendents of Ishmael in modern Arabia have not succeeded to do so.
    But modern Israel, whilst rejecting Jesus as THEIR messiah, still have accepted him in the form of their secular brothers, namely the Christians; whilst the modern Arabs, denying brotherhood to all non-muslims, have displaced Jesus by Muhammad and in their metaphysical stagnation, related to the inability of their memeplexed 'father god' Allah to himself evolve; are imprisoned by the self same memeplex their scribes and clerics created in the copying of their historical memeplexed precursors for the Qur'an, namely the Old Testament of the Hebrews and the New Testament of the Christians.

    Perhaps you can add many ideas and things together now Brook and I do apologize to you in harbouring the thought and meme of you being anti-Christianity for a while. Thank you for clarifying your position.

    The following videos give more historical and academic evidence to what I have just said, with the caveat that Jay Smith in my view is fully qualified to discuss the historicity of both the Qur'an and the Bible on archaeological grounds and his love for Jesus is of course fully embraced and honourable; but that some of his literal interpretation of the early parts of the Old Testament require rational and scientific revisionism.
    His New Testament analysis is however fully justified and supported by Thuban.

    I might end with two super abused Christian labels and translate them into the New World Covenant:

    "Sin" becomes Ignorance about yourself, the universe and everything and when individually considered the saying of Pythagoras and the symbol of the 'Cosmic Man' Vitruvius-Purusha-Adam Kadmon:

    "Man know thyself, then will you know the Universe and God!"

    and no longer dependent on different laws and regulations written or engraved onto tablets or plates and then the "Redeemer dying for your 'original ignorance'" , simply to show you that such a thing is possible and that one day, you will be able to 'keep' your incarnated biophysical bodyform in a form of transformation-transfiguration in proving it in actually 'Resurrecting from the Dead' suddenly takes on a completely new and 'scientific-cosmic-universal' meaning does it not? So much for the naysayers, should this become testifiable fact in a 'New World'.

    "Sabbath" becomes a Mirror of 'closing the circle in say 7 days or  a lunar month or a solar year or a decade, century or millennium' and also the Sea (Jubilee) of Revelation allowing the Self-Reflection of ALL in the 'beast rising from the Sea and witnessed by the 'Prophet' of both the truth and the falsehood on the Earth (Revelation.13).
    Now remember this mysterious saying about the New World in John's Revelation and that there would be no more Sea? This does not mean the absence of water, which would be the case in a literal reading of Revelation.21.1.

    "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea."

    Well you can decipher this for yourself now in the view of a shattered mirror symbolizing the broken glass of the images both objectively real and subjectively imaginary in such a way of dividing the falsehood from the universal truth of physical reality metaphysically defined. This is the 'eternal damnation' of the false images in the Lake of Fire burning with Brimstone of the 'sacred divine alchemy' or the 'heavenly wedding to earth' or the dragonomy of the starhumans of the Universal Twinship.

    (84) Jesus said, "When you see your likeness, you rejoice. But when you see your images which came into being before you, and which neither die not become manifest, how much you will have to bear!"

    (83) Jesus said, "The images are manifest to man, but the light in them remains concealed in the image of the light of the father. He will become manifest, but his image will remain concealed by his light."

    (22) Jesus saw infants being suckled. He said to his disciples, "These infants being suckled are like those who enter the kingdom."
    They said to him, "Shall we then, as children, enter the kingdom?"
    Jesus said to them, "When you make the two one, and when you make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside, and the above like the below, and when you make the male and the female one and the same, so that the male not be male nor the female female; and when you fashion eyes in the place of an eye, and a hand in place of a hand, and a foot in place of a foot, and a likeness in place of a likeness; then will you enter the kingdom."

    (3) Jesus said, "If those who lead you say to you, 'See, the kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you. When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."

    -Gospel of Thomas - Lambdin



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