Pris wrote: Sanicle wrote:I'm curious about a couple of your comments here Pris. (And I'm not picking a fight with you, just curious
) The first comment was ..........
Pris wrote:Asking someone else for forgiveness? For WHAT? Humbling oneself before whom or what? WHY? Are we so helpless? If someone feels the need for forgiveness, forgive themself. If a person feels the need to be humble, then be humble within their own greatness, and move on.
If you substitute the word "God" for "Source", the Creator of all, does that comment still apply?
Short answer, yes.
Relabelling 'God' is just making up a new religion. I used to buy the 'Source' thing for awhile... sounded convincing. But, it's just the god of a 'new age' religion. Sanicle wrote:The second comment was ...............
Pris wrote:...............re-harvested/reincarnated for the zillionth time back to Earth because of your belief in 'karma', self guilt?
That comment implies, to me, that in the big picture .... at a soul level, those who
choose to believe in karma and thus return in this way are still doing so of their own free will. Do you believe that if one no longer holds those beliefs that reincarnation will not occur ........ that they can escape the white light tunnel purely on that basis? If they no longer believe that, do you think they might want to come back here to join with their loved ones again?
For instance, have you read Mellen-Thomas Benedict's story? If not, here's a link:
http://www.near-death.com/reincarnation/experiences/mellen-thomas-benedict.html#a02I promise you, it's well worth the read.
Belief is belief. You are 'being the lie'. Sure, it's 'free will' to choose to believe in a lie if you know it is a lie to begin with.
As far as I'm concerned (my take), reincarnation/incarnation is part of a natural process (an option for souls to have some fun) that happens everywhere -- not just on Earth (Earth has been turned into a trap, please see my previous post). If you want to do it, do it on whatever planet (or plane of more or less physical existence) in whatever multiverse you want. If you don't want to do it, don't. Do whatever makes you happy. You don't need anyone else's permission. You are a sovereign being, with or without a body.
The 'thing' that keeps you from falling into the 'white light tunnel trap' is knowledge that it is a trap. When you know something is a trap, you refuse to go in. It needs you to go in willingly. It will use your fear against you... guilt, shame, uncertainty, feelings of helplessness, hope at seeing lost loved ones again, beliefs -- anything it can sink its teeth into to get you to submit. Refuse to be coerced. Refuse to allow anyone or anything to stand over you. Have no fear. Stand in your own power and create the experience you want.
As for having avoided the trap and wanting to come back to Earth to live with and/or 'rescue' loved ones (even that idea... the word 'rescue' has been overused and sets off a red flag for me when you realize no one can rescue you but yourself [Who, exactly, is doing the 'rescuing'? Is it someone who is still part of the trap and doesn't realize it?])... I'm not convinced that is necessarily the 'right' thing to do (I ask myself, 'Why do I need convincing?'... that's a red flag). It could be a 'trap within a trap' if you get my meaning. And, there's the old 'necessary amnesia' thing. I don't 'buy' that one because that sounds like another version of the 'white light tunnel trap'. Personally, what makes me wonder (as a possibility) is just how many loved ones I might have that are out there 'off-world' waiting for me to 'come home'.
I briefly glanced over that link you provided and it sets off red flags for me. If it's anything like people's experiences in "Journey of Souls", if 'God' is brought into it on any level, if there is segregation/hierarchical delineations with terms like your 'higher self' etc., I'd say stay away from it.
Please refer back to my comment about 'new age' religion.
We are creator beings. Be careful with your thoughts and what you wish for and/or conjure up. If you leave a place open for someone or something to subjugate you, you can be sure there will be plenty of volunteers.
Thanks for all the great questions. They've been helpful for me to think things through.
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Pris,
To my mind both ignorance and fear of what is possible can subjugate our souls into any belief system, and those who are hidden in the subtle realms from the five senses of the body (be they ETs, demons, angels or Nature Spirits, etc.) are experts in trying to maintain both ignorance and fear in the consciousness of mankind, via the old religions, the ‘New Age’ ones, and in more subtle ways if they wish to control us in any way, usually to dominate us but it can also be to serve us. Mankind generally, to a large degree, becomes subject to those manipulations in this realm when they are passed on by those who perceive them most readily and so can become broadly accepted belief systems, especially to the ‘ignorant’. Those of us at the Mists know that, which is generally why we are here to learn all we can of such things.
As you know the potential for different experiences in the subtle realms is vast, what you do experience being dependent primarily on your own personal fears, desires and expectations, resulting ultimately in beliefs you’ve chosen to adopt as your own. That applies when your consciousness is out of body temporarily or ‘permanently’ in death. We all have our own unique perspective and thus fear, desires and expectations dependent on what we’ve learned in this realm added to what our consciousness feeds us via intuition, so each experience there can be unique to each individual also. And that means that another’s experience of that realm need not be binding on our own if we are not ignorant of a possible ‘trap’ (such as the white light tunnel) established there, have no fear of it (ie don’t see it as a threat in ANY way), and choose not to (have no desire to) experience it personally. Our
will rules in the subtle realms.
As such, as regards those realms, my motto has become ‘Believe everything and nothing’, which means believe anything/everything that others experience as it is true for them but know nothing there need apply to your own experience of it unless you fear, desire, or expect it to be so. And that applies to the meme of the ETs being superior in strength and intelligence to our own consciousness/Spirit (another all-powerful ‘god’ belief system) and further that it’s undesirable to come back to this beautiful planet to assist the evolutionary process as well.
So many say they love Gaia and all its inhabitants and yet want nothing more than to leave. Why is this so if that desire to leave is not based on
fear? It follows that even if the ‘ignorant’ who don’t know about and are ‘caught’ in said ‘trap’ that they mightn’t be happy to come back here anyway. It’s probable that they would have chosen to if they still love this reality and those in it. I guess that’s where the ‘Ignorance is bliss’ and ‘what you don’t know doesn’t hurt you’ memes fully apply.
Ultimately though if you do die and avoid the ‘trap’ and choose not to come back here, you’ll still have that fear and it will still need to be worked through regardless of what planet you find yourself to be aligned to in the next life.
Oh and I wouldn't reject Mellen-Thomas's story so quickly based on immediate assumptions if I were you. I think you'll find a lot to relate to in his story. But your choice.
