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    Kerry has officially lost all credibility

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    Post  anonypony Mon Apr 19, 2010 1:15 pm

    reality=check wrote: Hi Tommy

    Sorry chap not being funny with you but your wrong. Kerry clearly states at the beginning of the Heather / Ben audio, as a footnote, that she conducted the interview in November 09. She then states the upload date of the audio as 6th April 10. Thubs Up

    R=C, Thanks for clarifying the time line. It is useful. As I understand it the skype audio Kerry published, was their first ever live conversation. I don't think that when it was conducted, it was considered as THE interview, or was meant to be published as is.
    I don't know that for sure, but it is how I understand it.

    Now that we have more of an idea who Ben is, and I don't mean the identity as of ID, but as of who he is and what makes him tick, it is not hard to imagine that he may have changed his mind about having his real name used, possibly even 5 minutes after the interview, in fact this is a common thing with WB - they are usually scared of coming out and may changed their mind many times.

    I can share with you that in the beginning of Feb, when the XXXX hit the fan on this issue, it happened over a live and highly vocal Skype conversation between K&B right here in my living room! So when I say I know, I do!

    One thing was clear at that point in time, Ben definitely did not want to go public and was not talking to Bill but only to Kerry! Bill was out of the picture for some time in terms of direct communication with Ben and was compromising Ben, (unknowingly I should mention) by communicating with others about him.

    So despite the fact that Ben said he didn't mind being indentified in his first chat with Kerry in Nov, does not actually mean he did not change his mind between Nov to Feb.

    It is not all as simple as we would like it to be, unfortunately...

    As I said before, the heather material is only part of it. In fact it would be fair to say that had their relationship was what you would expect from working partners, this would be a none story. And I am being generous here!

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    Post  anonypony Mon Apr 19, 2010 1:26 pm

    malletzky wrote: He's having a hart times recently to "be the one" that the majority wants him to be. He's struggling to be the cool Bill, the respected Bill, the one he "used to be" say 2-3 years ago. But his mascarade is obvious now. It's over. This is how I feel and this is enough for me. So I wouldn't call this "taking side", but I would definitely, if I'd had a choice, trust Kerry more then him..

    Thanks for sharing your experience with us, it confirms what I said before:

    anonypony wrote: What you see on camera is not always reflected in real life... Anyone who had direct interaction would be well aware of it.
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    Post  malletzky Mon Apr 19, 2010 1:44 pm

    anonypony wrote:

    Thanks for sharing your experience with us, it confirms what I said before:

    anonypony wrote: What you see on camera is not always reflected in real life... Anyone who had direct interaction would be well aware of it.

    I don't have to have direct interactions with anyone in order to read their energies. The one might try to act (hide) for a while, but sooner or later they will expose themselves as they really are. Everyonde does. Without exception.
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    Post  Stargazer Mon Apr 19, 2010 2:08 pm

    I know that with leadership...even if it's perceived...

    There is a sense of justice and responsibility that goes with it

    And that has been totally lost with the advent of PA2

    Like Carol....I feel betrayed

    And I have less in it than all these other good folks

    Polarity ...Karma....Whatever.....there is and will be repercussions from this for a long time
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    Post  reality=check Mon Apr 19, 2010 2:46 pm

    anonypony wrote:Edited….
    I can share with you that in the beginning of Feb, when the XXXX hit the fan on this issue, it happened over a live and highly vocal Skype conversation between K&B right here in my living room! So when I say I know, I do!

    One thing was clear at that point in time, Ben definitely did not want to go public and was not talking to Bill but only to Kerry! Bill was out of the picture for some time in terms of direct communication with Ben and was compromising Ben, (unknowingly I should mention) by communicating with others about him.

    As I said before, the heather material is only part of it. In fact it would be fair to say that had their relationship was what you would expect from working partners, this would be a none story. And I am being generous here!

    I understand your point and it’s very feasible for a WB to change his mind. Even to the point of not wishing to go ahead. With your inside info could you clarify a few points? When the proverbial hit the fan I take it you are referring to when Bill banned Ben off the forum, which displeased Kerry. You also say Ben was only communicating with Kerry. The point of clarification is how did Bill get to hear about the fake death of Heather? This we’re lead to believe is part of Bills point for the ban.

    We’re all aware here (MoA) that the Heather / Thuban thing are only parts of sequences of event. I personally first recognized the first chinks of difference on the home pages blogs about a year ago. Your last paragraph seems a little garbled. Could you define it please?

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    Post  Chamber Mon Apr 19, 2010 3:40 pm

    malletzky wrote:Why does this have to be a place of pro/contra Bill or Kerry? Or let me tell you here a short story:

    Few months ago, just after the first BIG-BANG between Kerry an Bill and the PA1 forum was almost immediatelly shut down for some "server problems" (yeah, sure... Kerry has officially lost all credibility - Page 5 Kopfschuettel Kerry has officially lost all credibility - Page 5 Icon_cool ), I was invited to go in to the Richard's chatroom, just to stay in touch with the community. The first thing I was asked there was: Malletzky, which side are you on?

    I mean hello? Do I have to be ON A SIDE of anyone? NO! This is what I answered there too. But the queation came from a member who had openly (as many other "friends" from Richard and Celine) put him/herself on Bill's side. That was symptomatic, I left the chatroom and I never went there again.

    Sure, I do have my own opinion whom I'll trust more. Or to express my feelings here: I don't like Bill's energy singature. He's having a hart times recently to "be the one" that the majority wants him to be. He's struggling to be the cool Bill, the respected Bill, the one he "used to be" say 2-3 years ago. But his mascarade is obvious now. It's over. This is how I feel and this is enough for me. So I wouldn't call this "taking side", but I would definitely, if I'd had a choice, trust Kerry more then him.

    Only...they BOTH blew it up, both of them. So this thread should be re-named into:

    Kerry AND Bill officially lost all credibility. One more, one less. Use your own perception to find out who.

    With much respect,
    Mall...

    It's not an either/or subject. It's about discernment of info...and discernment of those putting the info out there.

    It isn't about condemnations of individuals in particular....it's about their motivations. I do not believe either of them are nefarious or knowing "disinfo" agents.

    To me Kerry is untrustworthy simply because she has her own personal motivations when speaking on "information"....any bit of info that doesn't fit her agenda is either ignored or very sloppily shot down. That much is crystal clear. She will put out "verified info" to the PC public...sell it as truth...just because it fits her belief structure. Because of that it makes her much more easily manipulated into putting out disinfo or misinfo at TPTW behest. THAT to me is irresponsible.

    Bill may be the biggest Ahole on the planet......that changes nothing in my opinion. He presents information in a logical and always musing pseudo-skeptical manner....and PRESENTS it that way and leaves it to the viewer to decide for themselves.

    It's not about the character or morality of the individual....it's quite simply if they are doing their job and being responsible and ethical with the information they are presenting to the public at large.

    So Kerry can point fingers at Bill for being irresponsible all she wants if it makes her feel more validated in her blind kookery.

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    Post  eleni Mon Apr 19, 2010 3:42 pm

    Stargazer wrote:
    eleni wrote:Bill is paranoid about John because of conversations he had with him where John stated he was sent to Camelot and it's better to have someone like him in Camelot than a nasty- and he's trying to regain his fall from grace in the black ops community. Bill is also very aware of the AI- having had interactions with it himself. LOL, that alone is enough to send one running. Freakiest thing I ever encountered.

    That said, I do see Kerry as someone who is open minded and wants to get deep info and put it out there even if the info is not true etc;

    Eleni....Me Being on more than Naive side...

    So "John" gives off an unnatural vibe ...Can you explain some??

    Thanks

    He doesn't give off an unnatural vibe. I knew exactly who he was the moment I laid eyes on him (meaning I knew he was Jake) and he knew details about my life. Rather the AI seems to follow him (and other's who get close to it) it did follow me and more (it showed me scenes from my future which took place- Luminari is my witness as he was the only one I confided in). John also has unusual psi abilities. For example, my pupils have been dilated my entire life (normal for someone like me who was given multiple drugs like scopalamine and LSD as a child) and he changed them just by looking into them and fixing them (in front of David Wilcock who also witnessed my eyes change). They have been normal ever since. That's just one example, he was trained to do unusual things but so are many out there used in various projects.


    As far as John/Jack being the bad guy who infiltrated Camelot- there are many who believe that. I don't have any opinions. There's too much counterintel out there and the real truth is often distorted. Who can really know for sure.
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    Post  Stargazer Mon Apr 19, 2010 4:13 pm

    eleni wrote:
    He doesn't give off an unnatural vibe. I knew exactly who he was the moment I laid eyes on him (meaning I knew he was Jake) and he knew details about my life. Rather the AI seems to follow him (and other's who get close to it) it did follow me and more (it showed me scenes from my future which took place- Luminari is my witness as he was the only one I confided in). John also has unusual psi abilities. For example, my pupils have been dilated my entire life (normal for someone like me who was given multiple drugs like scopalamine and LSD as a child) and he changed them just by looking into them and fixing them (in front of David Wilcock who also witnessed my eyes change). They have been normal ever since. That's just one example, he was trained to do unusual things but so are many out there used in various projects.


    As far as John/Jack being the bad guy who infiltrated Camelot- there are many who believe that. I don't have any opinions. There's too much counterintel out there and the real truth is often distorted. Who can really know for sure.

    Sorry Eleni....By vibe I meant more of a force...

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    Post  eleni Mon Apr 19, 2010 4:27 pm

    Stargazer wrote:
    eleni wrote:
    He doesn't give off an unnatural vibe. I knew exactly who he was the moment I laid eyes on him (meaning I knew he was Jake) and he knew details about my life. Rather the AI seems to follow him (and other's who get close to it) it did follow me and more (it showed me scenes from my future which took place- Luminari is my witness as he was the only one I confided in). John also has unusual psi abilities. For example, my pupils have been dilated my entire life (normal for someone like me who was given multiple drugs like scopalamine and LSD as a child) and he changed them just by looking into them and fixing them (in front of David Wilcock who also witnessed my eyes change). They have been normal ever since. That's just one example, he was trained to do unusual things but so are many out there used in various projects.


    As far as John/Jack being the bad guy who infiltrated Camelot- there are many who believe that. I don't have any opinions. There's too much counterintel out there and the real truth is often distorted. Who can really know for sure.

    Sorry Eleni....By vibe I meant more of a force...

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    Right, he is not forceful(he does not appear threatening to me in the least) and speaks in riddles, drinking much etc; he doesn't give straight answers and you have to take what he says with a grain of salt as it's a mix of truth and disinfo. He did have many interesting things to say but Bill has caught him in a bunch of lies.

    I just wish people would tell the truth as they know it- why is that so difficult?
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    Post  mp3 Mon Apr 19, 2010 5:11 pm

    eleni wrote:

    I just wish people would tell the truth as they know it- why is that so difficult?

    I actually see things headed that way, whether people are comfortable with the idea or not. As we wake up, we wake up our more finely tuned perceptions as well. It's been a while since I could say I wasn't sure whether someone was lying to me or not.
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    Post  UncleJohn Mon Apr 19, 2010 5:48 pm

    Just a little follow up. I was able to have a skype chat with Marcus Sparacio who was reported to be in a relationship with Heather. He only communicated with Heather through Ben Murphy and felt used. He stated that he was lied to many times.

    He did not post at the PA1 forum. Someone else did it using his name.

    Marcus is glad the whole thing is behind him.
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    Post  Carol Mon Apr 19, 2010 5:52 pm

    I'm just happy we have a place where we can discuss these things
    without fear of posts and threads disappearing or a mod showing up
    telling someone to speak in general terms. I even had one PA mod
    ask me why I was afraid I wouldn't be invited to PA2 and my response
    was because I reveal the truth and didn't feel any receptivity for the
    truth being shared. If anything quite the opposite which was
    evident by seeing my posts and threads deleted. Everything is so
    POSITIVE I want to Kerry has officially lost all credibility - Page 5 965945 , that type of atmosphere brings out the rebel in me. Kerry has officially lost all credibility - Page 5 23873and
    I just am not up to towing the party line to please others.
    Honestly, why bother to post anything meaningful at all if the swat
    police are out to delete it minutes after it's on the forum. I have to have the freedom to be
    myself and just lay it out the way I see it. If the truth
    is not welcomed at PA2 then I just would rather post somewhere else
    where it is.

    By the way... my last thread I started at GLP last week was deleted
    within minutes. Minutes! That is another mind-controlled
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    Post  TRANCOSO Mon Apr 19, 2010 6:37 pm

    Carol, it's sad & hilarious at the same time, that people even want to be(come) a member of PA2. (By 'inviting' yourself - or so it seems!) Mind you, to be bullied by the PA Priesthood, high on a drug called 'Power'!

    By the way, is Jester T. 'unbanned' yet? Kerry has officially lost all credibility - Page 5 52914
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    Post  Carol Mon Apr 19, 2010 7:10 pm

    He was suppose to be unbanned at PA2 and the day came and went when I
    last saw his avatar still missing. They may have lifted it there,
    I really don't know. I'd like him to stay here as he adds his own
    zest. Kerry has officially lost all credibility - Page 5 Icon_jokercolor


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    Post  eleni Mon Apr 19, 2010 7:22 pm

    UncleJohn wrote:Just a little follow up. I was able to have a skype chat with Marcus Sparacio who was reported to be in a relationship with Heather. He only communicated with Heather through Ben Murphy and felt used. He stated that he was lied to many times.

    He did not post at the PA1 forum. Someone else did it using his name.

    Marcus is glad the whole thing is behind him.

    Wow, so this Marcus who posted on AV1 was not even the real Marcus. This is warped. He only communicated through her via Ben. So the whole bloody thing is a lie with nearly zero elements of truth I take it?
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    Post  Anchor Mon Apr 19, 2010 7:24 pm

    eleni wrote:As far as John/Jack being the bad guy who infiltrated Camelot- there are many who believe that. I don't have any opinions. There's too much counterintel out there and the real truth is often distorted. Who can really know for sure.
    Eleni,
    I am so glad you included that last bit. From what I saw before I resigned as moderator was just speculation. I dont think anything conclusive was ever said about this individual - lots of innuendo, and I found myself even caught up in that.
    I understand that everyone wants to know the truth - but when you find out that most of it is part of an elaborate story made up to be a distraction, it can be a bit of a let down. This is my current theory :)
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    Post  eleni Mon Apr 19, 2010 7:35 pm

    Anchor wrote:
    eleni wrote:As far as John/Jack being the bad guy who infiltrated Camelot- there are many who believe that. I don't have any opinions. There's too much counterintel out there and the real truth is often distorted. Who can really know for sure.
    Eleni,
    I am so glad you included that last bit. From what I saw before I resigned as moderator was just speculation. I dont think anything conclusive was ever said about this individual - lots of innuendo, and I found myself even caught up in that.
    I understand that everyone wants to know the truth - but when you find out that most of it is part of an elaborate story made up to be a distraction, it can be a bit of a let down. This is my current theory :)
    AJ..

    If only it had been as simple as John/Jack- there were other personalities involved in the mess and everyone was taking sides- I found myself in a whirlwind and I lost several friends including John/Jack over this mess. None of that however was aired publicly and it did not involve members of AV1 forum. I only wanted it to be settled and be left out of it. I didn't feel comfortable taking sides in the end and I remain that way.
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    Post  Carol Mon Apr 19, 2010 9:33 pm

    Eleni, to take sides is to step into polaization and become a target by
    those who are looking for someone to victimize. The best course
    of action in situations like these is to step to the side or else end
    up like a piggy on the spit.

    You did the right thing. Don't worry, be at peace.


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    Post  reality=check Tue Apr 20, 2010 4:42 am

    UncleJohn wrote:Just a little follow up. I was able to have a skype chat with Marcus Sparacio who was reported to be in a relationship with Heather. He only communicated with Heather through Ben Murphy and felt used. He stated that he was lied to many times.

    He did not post at the PA1 forum. Someone else did it using his name.

    Marcus is glad the whole thing is behind him.

    Hold on a sec. Marcus Sparacio the New York cop, the foul mouthed poster, the guy with a Youtube account, the guy with a video of Heather on his account, the guy who spoke to her on the phone in Germany, the guy that said “he can’t help but think Heather has played everybody, never actually met her face to face? So what’s with the video with her in it? How did they communicate? And who actually was posting on his behalf on AV1? Uncle John what time frame are we talking about with your skype chat? Was it when all this drama was going on?
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    Post  gatstrat Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:54 pm

    Carol: [quote]If anything quite the opposite which was
    evident by seeing my posts and threads deleted.

    Exactly what threads and posts were deleted?
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    Post  Wyzyrd Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:07 pm

    Speaking of Whistleblowers, why interview Laura Knight-Jadczyk? I was involved heavily in the Cassiopaen Saga from about 1997 until 2003. The C Email list (back when email lists were The Thing) was a great place to share - at first. Then she married Ark, he became a moderator, and started banning people. He threatened to ban me for 'maundering.' I quit instead and started my own list. Many people followed me there, including Uncle John.

    Now, a person named Fred was THE channel for the Cassiopaens. Google ''unedited Cassiopaen transcripts" and read them for yourself. I think they cover 1994 until 2000 when Fred walked away because L was starting to want to charge money for the information. I found the C's when she posted some transcripts on Cyberspaceorbit - and I was hooked - then Kent kicked her off for some reason I don't know. But - many times in the transcripts (which are wonderful, and chock full of great knowledge) the C's themselves said that they had groomed Fred from childhood to be THE channel. He channeled both on the spirit board and then later directly. Some of the first sessions were 'corrupted' according to what the C's said later, so keep reading.

    In this new interview L doesn't mention Fred although pushed a bit by Kerry. In EVERY session from 1994 untul 2000 when the Unedited transcripts end, Fred was present. She now claims it was all her. That disturbs me. I talk to Fred often by IM, IRC, and telephone. He wants nothing to do with the new Not-C's (get it)? I'm creeped out by simply navigating to the new Cass page or SOTT. Whatever they had that was good is now totally corrupted (in my humble opinion).

    Laura and Ark joined my email list and went to war with Vincent Bridges right there on my list. Apparently they had lent him a CD with the Unedited Transcripts. At some point during the flame wars he posted them on the internet, and they are still out there.

    Google it, you'll find it. (c: She even states at the bottom of her Cass page that sending someone a LINK to the transcripts is forbidden. So I won't. (c:

    That's my two sense.

    But a whistleblower she ain't. What gives? On the other hand, I'm downloading the NEW Bob Dean interview just out. I like Bob. I know about his detractors, but I too was in the Military and . . .well . . .maybe later. I don't think I'm ready to talk about all of that yet. Think Dan Sherman combined with Duncan O. I think. I know I have abilities I do not recall learning. That's it for now . . .

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    https://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/Wyzyrd?ref=profile . . . it's fascinating who you can find and make friends with on facebook nowadays (c: Take a peek at my friends list - it reads like a Who's Who of Ufology. heheh
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    Post  Chamber Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:40 pm

    She simply wants content for her website...validity, accuracey, or facts are all circumstantial if they actually exists in said content. She's going to be having ads on the site soon so she needs some content...like a TV station.
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    Post  SiriArc Fri Apr 23, 2010 12:08 am

    Wyzyrd / All

    MOnTalk was involved w/ the LKJ material (like You) from square one.

    Theres a Ton of input about LKJ, Fred, Cs, Ark and Etc.that some might find of interest @

    http://forum.noblerealms.org/ Search any of these terms for "first hand" Input.
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    Post  Wyzyrd Fri Apr 23, 2010 12:20 am

    Thanks SiriArk. I was around when Tom and LKJ had the 'falling out.' Note, however, that Tom still references the original C material as good stuff (c: I was at Noble Realms in the past, and I'll go check and see if there is anything I didn't know about. (c:
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    Post  enemyofNWO Fri Apr 23, 2010 8:55 am

    Wyzyrd wrote:Thanks SiriArk. I was around when Tom and LKJ had the 'falling out.' Note, however, that Tom still references the original C material as good stuff (c: I was at Noble Realms in the past, and I'll go check and see if there is anything I didn't know about. (c:


    Thanks Wyzyrd . You answered a few questions about L and her site . I was able to download the unedited version as you suggested . Cheers 

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