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    Vedic Scripts, wisdom and facts

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    Post  devakas Thu Sep 13, 2012 5:48 pm

    Nanyah Panthah Vidyate Anayaya

    There is no other way!


    WHO AM I?
    WHERE DID I COME FROM?
    WHERE WILL I GO?
    WHAT IS THE MEANING OF THIS LIFE?

    Answers to these fundamental questions cannot be written in form of an essay, that you mug up and you are done! These need to be realized through all your senses and the master controller – the mind so that you grasp it fully. To talk in Vedic language. this entire life has the sole purpose of helping us seek answers to these fundamental questions, and through that achieve ultimate bliss.
    To the uninitiated, the mere reference to these questions might increase the heart-beats, and even cause a sense of fear or depression. After all we all admit that the entire human life and all our activities are in a way, an attempt to ignore this fear of death.

    Our mind rebels at the very thought of death – that everything shall end one day – no senses, no feelings, nothing…and forever! And yet we know that if there is one certain things about life, it is death. We tend to ignore this feeling, we tend to ignore our soul, when suddenly in middle of everything, it shouts that “one day this shall come to end.. a blank end!”.

    We then distract ourselves, get busy in our career, activities, entertainment etc etc. We try to desensitize ourselves to these questions. But they still exist.
    Science has progressed a lot in terms of the number of toys it has produced and theories it has developed to understand these toys. But the progress of modern science has been an absolute zero when it comes to these most fundamental questions. In its frustration, it claims that anything that its instruments cannot detect does not exist! Yet, it admits that the most fundamental questions that started this journey of exploration still remain equally unanswered and it has no clue on how they can be unanswered.

    Do you know why most self-help programs fail? (I came to know that the noted founder of NLP – Neuro Linguistic Patterning – that claims to change attitudes and beliefs in matter of minutes himself was a drug abuser fighting depression till last known! )

    The reason that these programs fail is that they want you to get motivated and inspired but fail to understand and explain WHY? The human mind, when it knows that despite all great successes, highest levels of motivation, enthusiasm, charisma, blah blah…one day the show shall come to a dead end; it reasons – why the hell should I bother to change when no change is permanent? When it all appears so purposeless, the mind tends to stick to the directions it has already undertaken. The motivation to self-help ceases to exist in wake of an impending end of everything that is definite.

    One gets into spiritualism to seek answers to these questions. There are momentary moments of happiness when one reads about stories of Heaven, Hell, Lord, Prophet, Avatars, etc. This is so soothing and relaxing. We tend to stick with these and dwell deeper and deeper. “No!”, the mind decides, “I shall analyze no further. This has to be the answer because I can no more tolerate the questions can shake me to end!”. But the questions remain. The loopholes in the fantastic stories of miracles are amply evident to the mind. It knows that it has never seen a single miracle ever and has only heard stories about it. Yet the solution to these puzzling questions lie only in blind belief in these miraculous assumptions that have never ever happened in life! The soul rebels somewhere, “Hey! This seems to be not true? Get better answers!”. And mind replies, “Shut up!”. When sound of soul becomes louder, we drown it into the hymns, songs of faith, recitations, etc etc – whatever way we can. Thus the business of spiritualism flourishes! And we remain the scapegoats with these unanswered questions.


    Vedas succeed where all these approaches fail. It provides such a scientific framework to address these questions that once this is in place, there is no way that any form of fear or doubt can even touch upon us. As we analyze and explore these questions further, with the Vedic toolkit, the doubts start vanishing, motivation starts emerging from the core, enthusiasm becomes our fundamental nature and we are able to enjoy the present and look ahead in future with a level of bliss that was never possible so far. And as we progress this keeps increasing. The very process of seeking these answers becomes a source of permanent happiness that we had been seeking so far!

    It does not remain a mechanical process like NLP, it does not demand blind belief in any stories or miracles, it does not demand shutting down the analytical brain. On contrary, it is so intuitive, so much in sync with our true nature and so logical that its a part of our own self. And hence we no more require any further self-help of any sort. Vedas say that the entire knowledge of Vedas is already within you. What is means is that the Vedic knowledge appears as if it were you who gave the answers. There is no external imposition required anymore. It all comes from within. And that is why it works! That is why it is the only approach that works!

    We shall discover the answers very soon.
    By the way, don’t worry – Vedas prove that we can never die, because we define the very opposite of death…forever!
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    Post  devakas Thu Sep 13, 2012 6:34 pm


    Idam aham anritaat satyam upaimi

    I shall move away from falsehood towards truth=bliss!


    The very first principle of Vedic philosophy is that truth and bliss are synonymous. The root ‘Sat’ is used to denote truth as in “Satya” and also bliss as in “Sadgati”. This forms the core foundation of the entire Vedic framework. In fact, this search for bliss through discovery of truth defines the most essential trait of human life. The entire progress of science and attempts made by human beings to know the world better is driven by this urge to achieve bliss through truth.

    This defines our humanness.
    In Sanskrit, humans are called Manushya, which literally means ‘one who can analyze or evaluate truth’.

    Now, often we see that illusions and ignorance also bring bliss. The entire entertainment industry and even most of the cults thrive on gaining by providing bliss to masses through illusion and ignorance. This seems to contradict the principle of ‘truth’ and ‘bliss’ being synonymous. In fact this has led to many a philosophers to believe that bliss is merely a matter of perception and one cannot assess the same on parameter of true or false; right or wrong. And from a restricted standpoint, they are right as well. We shall be able to address this apparent paradox subsequently as we learn about some more fundamental principles of Vedic philosophy.

    But to provide some hints, consider the fact that truth and bliss do not represent absolute points. They represent a journey…a path of progress..a process. Thus technically knowledge is another term to define the process that leads us to truth. To simplify, we can treat them as synonymous.

    We enjoy apparent illusions because while we are enjoying them, we consider them as truth, based on our limited understanding and capabilities. So far an illusion appears to be true, or ignorance appears to be knowledge, we tend to enjoy them. But as our knowledge and understanding increases, we are no more able to enjoy what was bliss yesterday. We no longer enjoy putting fingers in switch-boards that we used to do when we were infants, simply because new knowledge has dawned upon us. Even the food we used to enjoy as children are not the ones we enjoy as grown-up adults. Our food preferences change, our reading habits change, our hobbies change, our aspirations change – all because we now possess more knowledge. And hence only those things that provide us bliss suited to our enhanced knowledge levels are the ones that provide us bliss.

    Now also consider the fact that the same level of bliss provided again and again makes us bore again. Thus the same tasty gulabjamun eaten again and again seems to degrade the level of happiness we are able to derive from its taste. We now need a change. We want to grow now. The small infant had had enough of blabbering lying in the couch. It now wants to stand up and try to walk. It wants to explore more. And it shall do that regardless of the number of times it falls down or gets hurt. It shall simply not give up until it is able to stand up, walk, run and jump. The basic nature of soul is in full steam in a child – in its urge to grow and progress.


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    Post  devakas Thu Sep 13, 2012 6:57 pm

    Lets truly enjoy! Ishopanishad Mantra

    ईशा वास्यमिदँ सर्वं यत्किञ्च जगत्यां जगत् ।
    तेन त्यक्तेन भुञ्जीथा मा गृधः कस्यस्विद्धनम् ।। (यजुर्वेद ४०.१)

    O Human! The entire world – static as well as dynamic – is pervaded by Ishwar – the Supreme Lord. Hence enjoy the pleasures in a detached manner. Do not be greedy. This wealth does not belong to anyone.

    Ishopanishad or the 40th Chapter of Yajurveda forms the foundation of all positive philosophies of the world. The very first mantra sets the tone. In few words, it provides the essence of life and living, structure of world and our ideal approach while we live. It states:

    - There are three entities in the world – The world around us (Prakriti), Ishwar who resides everywhere and we – the soul (Atman)- who is being addressed in the mantra.

    - We do not own the world around us. The owner – the Ishwar – pervades every point that He owns. Now since we do not own the world, the way we should use the facilities of the world should be without a sense of ownership.

    - This does not mean we should refuse to use the facilities in the world. By all means, we should make best use of the facilities, but without considering it as our own personal property.

    - Under any circumstance, we should not have any greed. Greed is the highest level of foolishness. Neither do we own the world around, nor can we take it with us after we die. Hence running after what eventually would be lost is indeed stupidity. In fact no one can own the world. Even Ishwar owns as a manager and not someone who extracts benefits from the world.

    Hence, we should stop acting foolish and start enjoying the world in the true sense.

    The mantra teaches another fundamental law of life – You cannot enjoy unless you are detached. The ONLY way to enjoy the world is by getting detached from it. This may seem counter-intuitive on surface but in fact it is not. If you think deeply, you would find that it the lust to own that causes all the worries. Worries start from the very desire of owning something:

    - We worry about ways to obtain our desired object.

    - Once obtained, we worry about its security and our continued association with it.

    - And finally, when it is time to say goodbye, we regret because we now lose it.

    In fact true ownership of anything except what you already have – your own self and Ishwar – can simply not happen. It is like chasing a shadow. Sometimes we come very close to it, but it again moves ahead. The only way to chase a shadow is to turn around and face the sun. Instead of chasing the shadow, chase the source of light. And shadow will fall behind.

    I recall a joke I heard in childhood where a boy challenged Tees-Maar-Khan (TMK) to touch the red traffic light some distance away and come back while he measures the time. The next morning, TMK was furiously hunting for the boy in the neighborhood. When someone asked whats the matter, he angrily replied, “The boy made me run the entire city behind tail light of a bus!”

    I laughed a lot when I first heard it. But gradually I realized this is the dark humor dominating the world today. We all keep chasing the elusive tail light. We glamorize and idolize all those who earned fame, earned wealth, earned power and aspire to be one of them. The hunger never ceases. We keep running for more and more.

    But we never feel as if we have achieved whatever we ran to achieve. And then suddenly lights go off in this mad race and the show ends. And when the show ends, we all are at same level. All the toys of the world that we collected – name, fame, wealth, power – which we never actually collected but we fooled ourselves to assume that we have collected, evaporate in a split-second. Thus, after all the drama, all the frustrations, all the sacrifices, all the compromises, all the complexities, all the troubles, all the madness, we are back to square one.

    An Amitabh, or a Shahrukh, or an Obama, or a Sonia, or a Lalu, or a Pope, or a Zakir, or an Ambani, or an Osama, or a rich, or a poor, or a celebrity, or a non-entity – everyone would die equally rich or equally beggar. Some may argue: “But some of them would leave a legacy that would continue”. But lets be clear – even if legacy continues – no one would be there to even claim that ‘I’ left this legacy. Even the memory of this so-called legacy would wipe out. And then even those people who remember this legacy would also face the same destiny of blankness and forget all the legacies of theirs or their predecessors in one split-second defined as death or “The End” of the show.

    In summary, nothing in the world ever belonged to us and nothing gonna go with us despite whatever efforts we may exert to acquire them.

    So what are we supposed to do? Sit blankly like a morbid lunatic waiting aimlessly for the final ‘The End’? Well, many a philosophers may suggest so. Some may say that live in present and do not worry about future. Others would suggest that one should enjoy this life to maximum and face the future – death or whatever – when it comes and not bother about it now. Yet another group would advise that death is simply like a fantastic sleep so why worry about it.

    But let us be honest, how many of these philosophers and their followers would enjoy their parties and fun when held at gun-point? These all are elusive ideologies that fear to address the core issue and provide only escapades. They are simply attention-distractions. Like a pain-balm which works by confusing the sensation of pain with a new sensation of skin irritation. But then, somewhere from some corner in this body, something raises an alarm – that soon “THE END” would come.

    It is natural that all living beings fear and avoid death. If death were indeed so painless, why would there be a natural revulsion to death? Why does society consider murder as greatest crime? This is so intuitively built-in within us that we do not even need to explain this. This is implicit in all the actions we carry in our lives. And when we associate this fact of death with all the running around to gather temporary wealth that we indulge into, we clearly know that we are acting foolish. THIS CANNOT BE GOAL OF LIFE WHEN WE KNOW WE CAN NEVER ACQUIRE IT.

    The very first mantra of Ishopanishad, very succinctly not only states that chasing the tail light of bus is simply a foolishness, but also offers a clue to what else should be done. It provides not a pain-balm but addresses the root cause of pain in the very first words of the mantra: That everything is inhabited by the Supreme Lord.

    The solution is clear – instead of pursuing what we can never obtain, pursue what is already everywhere – within and outside you. Pursue the Ishwar. Since He is the manager of the entire world, since He alone would remain closest to you forever and wherever you go, so as a smart person, simply follow Him. Instead of chasing a desire that is technically impossible, pursue what is most achievable and most beneficial. Since He is already with and within us, to pursue Him implies understanding Him and conducting actions as per this knowledge.

    Thus, the mantra changes the very approach towards life. Instead of being owners of anything including our relations, our body, our thoughts, our minds, our properties, our clothes, our degrees, our fame, our wealth etc etc, we are simply being employees of Ishwar.

    - This world is our workplace or our office or company “World Inc”.

    - Each thought, each word, each action is being appraised every moment by the CEO – Ishwar – and he keeps promoting or demoting us accordingly.

    - We head the business unit called “Me and My World Inc” but Ishwar is the Supreme Head of all such business units.

    - We have to work together to maximize profits not only for the Business Unit that we head but for entire organization.

    - And we have to work here in same manner as we work in our professional life. The pen, the laptop, the chair, the table, the office facilities, the car that company provides, the flight in which we travel for business purpose etc are not OWNED by us. But we use them and use them with FULL enjoyment – for the sole purpose of the organization. Same goes for World Inc.

    - Anyone who uses company resources for his personal gains is penalized in an ethically driven company as per Corporate Governance. In the “World Inc”, we are punished similarly for any cheating that we do against the code of world governance.

    - In the mortal company, punishments and rewards are delayed. But in the perfect World Inc, everything is instantaneous. He is present everywhere to ensure this. And he ensures what we get is what we deserve – neither less nor more.

    Thus the mantra asks us to enjoy the world and work in it as Business Heads who own ownership of actions and not the resources. All our actions should maximize the profits of entire company and we all should report only to the CEO – the Ishwar. Ishwar, being the smartest CEO, would provide us the resources that we need to fulfill our objectives. Our goal is not to maximize these resources in our business unit but to fulfill the objectives of entire organization.

    With this professional business oriented approach towards life, there is no more any scope for fear, worry or aimlessness. Instead of trying in vain to enjoy life because we want to elude the ultimate “THE END”, we tend to proactively and truly start enjoying life with a passion to maximize our achievements before the “INTERVAL” so that we are provided even higher designations after the “INTERVAL”.

    Suddenly we don’t feel the need to try being brave and daring in life. We instead feel that to be natural trait of ours. We don’t feel like either running away or indulging in the world. We instead feel like smart managers who UTILIZE the world and its resources for our ultimate objectives. We don’t feel the need to wasting time in enormous fluff of myriad philosophies that only an idle person has time to analyze. We instead feel extremely goal oriented who focus only on what needs to increase the profits.

    We don’t feel scared of losing any of the world’s resources because we don’t own them in first place. We instead focus every moment on what we have and what we need to acquire for the company goals. If there is a airplane to our destination, we feel no hitch nor any special pride in availing it. We simply use it, plan for next business target and enjoy the process. If there is no airplane, we still feel the same exhilaration pursuing our goals in the bullock cart or cycle or whatever.

    We still aspire for wealth and riches and better facilities in world. We still aspire for fame and glory. But we aspire not for our own self. We aspire these only for the goals of this World Inc. We aspire only TO EXTENT THEY FULFILL goals of World Inc. Its no more ‘for me only’. It is for the mission of ‘Idanna Mama’ – ‘Not mine’. Thus instead of being beggars dreaming to be tycoons, we become most well-paid Business Heads of the company!

    The mantra summarizes the essence of ‘Idanna Mama’ (Not mine) and ‘Swaha’ (for the larger goal alone) that form the bedrock of Vedic ideology. No wonder, the same values are honored in the most professional and respected of worldly organizations. And that is what makes them successful. When these can achieve so much success by scratching a very tiny surface of Vedic wisdom, just imagine the level of success that is waiting for us when we immerse into Vedas!

    One who understands the crux of this mantra even partially would make himself a winner. Instead of wasting time collecting sand and pebbles that eventually will be snatched away from us, the smart follower of this mantra would utilize his stay to collect the jewels that would go with him when the show ends for others! And while others would face the consequences of being corrupt, the smart manager would win his next level of promotion. Further, even in this life, the fools waste life chasing elusive happiness that never comes to them and instead gather tremendous amount of emptiness, frustration, guilt, shame, regret, fear, tension beneath the false gimmick of outwardly bliss. The smart manager, all the while, gathers true bliss, true happiness and enjoys being promoted to further bliss in each moment of noble action.

    One may ask, what these noble actions are and what are the goals of World Inc that we are expected to pursue. Now you don’t need any special prophet or incarnation or miracle to tell you that. You simply need to follow your inner voice of accepting the truth and rejecting the falsehood in every moment of life through thoughts, words and actions in most optimal manner. Everything else is derived from this core most inherent intuitive mission. Even need to master Vedas is a derivative of this core essence.

    If we delve into this deeply, we would find that this in itself justifies why following the inspiration of Ishwar alone to achieve Ishwar alone through knowledge is the right and only way to achieve bliss. Vedas provide detailed explanations to this and increase our speed and effectiveness. Thus Vedas are the corporate policy guidelines of World Inc. Not only is the text available for reference, but for ease of all, the same has also been inherently copied in our own self a-priori. This is what intuitively keeps inspiring us to do good for the world, pursue happiness, spread knowledge, get into action etc.

    We shall in course of more detailed understanding of Vedic Mantras, keep reviewing what these goals are and how are they to be applied as per the Policy guidelines of Vedas.

    O Ishwar, may my ignorance that leads me to ignoring You and chasing the world that was never mine be destroyed forever. I promise to put my best efforts for this. With Your blessings I promise to seek You and You alone because You alone are source of bliss! May this noble thought always prevail in me!

    _________________________

    कुर्वन्नेवेह कर्माणि जिजीविषेच्छतँ समाः ।
    एवं त्वयि नान्यथेतोऽस्ति न कर्म लिप्यते नरे ।। (यजुर्वेद ४०.२)

    O Human! Desire to live for hundred years in this world but only through constant conduct of noble actions. This is the only way to escape being indulged in results of dishonorable actions. There is no other alternative whatsoever to this formula to achieve bliss.

    The first mantra of Ishopanishad explains that principle and the second one extends it to practical application. The first mantra asserts that since you do not own anything in this world, hence you should not have the impossible desire to possess any worldly thing. Instead desire to possess the Ishwar who resides everywhere. Thus the mantra lays the foundation of the Corporate Governance policy of World Inc.

    The second mantra spells out that giving up of the desire to own anything in the world DOES NOT mean that one should run away into a mode of inaction or limited action. On contrary, the only way to remain unaffected by perils of wasteful/ dishonorable actions is to proactively and enthusiastically keep conducting noble actions every moment of life. One should plan and desire for conduct of such noble actions for at least hundred years


    ANY ACTION THAT CAUSES INDULGENCE IS BAD. ANY ACTION THAT DOES NOT CAUSE INDULGENCE IS GOOD.”

    Now let us understand what is meant by ‘indulgence’. For this, let us get back to first mantra where it was explained that only Ishwar pervades every point in the world and we are not the owners. Thus any action performed with the motive of ‘ownership’ ignoring the presence of Ishwar – the ultimate CEO would lead to indulgence.

    On contrary, any action performed with full understanding of Ishwar being everywhere and being our CEO is a noble action devoid of indulgence.
    The goal of life is to bring the proportion of indulgence down to 0%.

    Needless to say, merely conducting actions without the goal in mind will lead us to miseries alone. Thus even if you are very enterprising, focused, daring, proactive but conduct actions to achieve fame for sake of fame itself or money for sake of money itself, you are fooling yourself. While Ishwar would grant you what you desired for – worldly fake sense of happiness – but that would only bring agony and sorrow throughout and afterward.

    So if you think you can apply the laws of action in this mantra ignoring the guidelines of first mantra of Ishopanishad by aspiring to become or even admiring a model who promotes lust, or an actor in cheap movies, or a corrupt politician, or a fraud guru who fools people through flowery words etc etc, you are causing your own destruction. And Ishwar would not wait for you to become a celebrity to present you your appraisal. The Law of Karma would ensure that you have been digging your grave right from the very first misdirected thought that was brought by you.

    l. The two mantras together provide a powerful checklist of right and wrong actions:

    - Am I doing this act merely for fun without a purpose? If yes, watch out.

    - Am I hurting anybody unnecessarily by this action? For example killing for taste of tongue or touch of skin. If yes, watch out.

    - Am I escaping action because it will cause me troubles? If yes, watch out.

    - Am I restricting my scope of actions because I feel I am incapable? If yes, watch out.

    - Am I not willing to explore a wide variety of actions that are necessary for my goals as per my inner urge? If yes, watch out.

    - Am I taking proactive steps to expand my knowledge and understanding so that I am able to sense my inner voice better? If yes, very good!

    - Am I doing all actions for Ishwar and Ishwar alone? If yes, very good!

    - Am I doing actions in a manner that I don’t care about worldly pressures, emotions, seductions and threats that go against the direction of my inner voice? If yes, very good!

    - Am I doing actions that make me stronger – physically, intellectually, spiritually, socially, nationally? If yes, very good!


    ______________________________________________


    Avoid troubles Remove guilt- Ishopanishad Mantra

    असुर्य्या नाम ते लोकाऽअन्धेन तमसावृताः I
    ताँस्ते प्रेत्यापि गच्छन्ति ये के चात्महनो जनाः II (यजुर्वेद ४०.३)

    Those people who are indulged in or support sinful selfish activities and who refuse to pay heed to their inner voice/ conscience continue to remain in utter darkness devoid of knowledge and happiness even after death.


    The first two mantras of Ishopanishad explain how one should live in the world and what precautions should be taken during our stay here. The third mantra spells out the fate of those who do not heed to this advice. It also provides a formula to assess whether you are in the right direction or not. Plus it implicitly expounds why we get only what we truly deserve and not a punishment due to whims of some super-power. Thus the first three mantra of Ishopanishad summarize within them the complete Corporate Governance policy of World Inc.

    While the meaning of this mantra is straightforward and self-explanatory, let us review a few salient points:

    a. The mantra defines who are Asur or evil people. It states that those who act against their own conscience are Asur. They kill their own self or in other words they destroy their own inner voice.

    b. Thus the mantra also states that each of us has a guide within us who keeps directing us intuitively on what is right and what is wrong. When we resolve to do something noble, we get a feeling of satisfaction, enthusiasm, peace. When we force ourselves to do something wrong, we get a feeling of shame, guilt, fear, discomfort. This is the inner voice, coming not from us, but from Ishwar Himself.

    THUS THE FORMULA OF ASSESSING THE RIGHT DIRECTION IN LIFE IS VERY SIMPLE. SIMPLY FOLLOW YOUR INNER VOICE.

    c. It is however very critical to distinguish this inner voice from instinctive urge. For example, when a thief sees an opportunity to steal money from a blind man, he may not be able to resist the easy golden opportunity to become rich. He may argue that he got an inner urge to steal. Another person may be addicted to drugs or vulgarity. He may feel helpless when faced with situations giving opportunity to consume the narcotic or conduct lustful acts. In fact the western society of today tries to legitimize all this in name of ‘human instinct’ that is supposed to be natural in all humans. They confuse between ‘inner voice’ and ‘instinct’. Many a scientists would deny existence of any ‘inner voice’ and they would conduct experiments on instinctive behaviors to prove that humans are chemical reactions merely.

    But that is not the case. ‘Instinct’ and ‘Inner voice’ are completely different. Instinct is simply a patterned behavior. When you repeat something again and again, it becomes part of your instinct. You thus need not think about it consciously and yet you can repeat the behavior. Human skills are results of these instincts that we develop. Walking is an instinct, running is an instinct, speaking is an instinct, stealing is an instinct, enjoying particular things is an instinct etc etc. Development of instinct is a wonderful gift to human beings that helps us use our thinking powers on more relevant things and free it from bothering about bulk of the large number of mundane tasks that we do in our life every moment.

    Anything that you repeat would become more and more instinctive. Thus developing instinct has nothing to do with anything being good or bad. You drink alcohol for first time, it tastes horrible. Some people even vomit. You keep drinking again and again and it becomes part of habit – yet another word for complex instincts. Now more you drink, more you get the urge to drink again in similar situations. Instinct is working here. Some people, intolerant to alcohol, even start enjoying the vomiting sensation because of the instinct.

    Thus if you have been enjoying watching blue films in past, you would instinctively seek to enjoy them again. If you have been an alcohol lover, you would seek to enjoy alcohol again. If you have been into self-destroying habits, you would tend to enjoy those acts again. Left to itself, thus, the first few instincts that you have developed accidentally in life would determine the rest of your personality throughout your life. This is not wrong, and in fact, the overwhelming truth for the vast majority of people today.

    Such people are in effect nothing more than chemical reactions. If the driver is sleeping, the car is as good as a car without driver. These are the people whom this mantra calls Asur – those who are driven only by instincts and have no driver in the car.

    d. However beyond the instincts that propel us, there is yet another propeller in our system. This is the INNER VOICE. This is a constant guide that is active even in sleep. This is the driver. This forms the force which can shape the patterns of instincts. This is the force that urges us to do good and not bad.

    How do we prove its existence? Very simple.

    Even a terrorist has certain facets in his life where he shows kindness. Even an atheist feels the urge to state to world that God does not exist. Why? What motivates a Richard Dawkins to try to prove that God does not exist and there is no soul. When there is no soul, why bother about telling all this and to whom? Still he would find a natural urge to propagate the truth, best known to him, to his domain of influence. This natural urge is like a source of pure light that filters through all our instinctive behaviors and our free-will to come out in some form or other.

    Look at a child. It keeps trying to stand up, walk and run. Despite being hurt again and again, it does not give up. It would fall down, cry like anything, then again try to stand, then try to walk. As it grows up, it develops complex instincts. Now because society emphasizes pain and miseries a lot, it learns to give up after a few failures. Still we all, regardless of our frustrations, see a hope in everything. But then we force our instincts upon it and decide, “Well, no. No use of trying. It will not work!”. The reason that we had to justify ourselves that it will not work is that there was another propeller which said, “Try once more.” This is the INNER VOICE.

    When some of us look at a scantily clad heroine with lust, another inner voice does come, “What if someone looks at my mother, daughter or sister like this and actually does all that with her in front of my eyes that I am fantasizing right now? Why don’t I exhibit the same feeling for my mother, daughter and sister and do with them what I am fantasizing right now? What is the difference? After all its skin and body that is attracting me and it is same in every female.”

    So that INNER VOICE does try to slap you again and again. And if, God forbid, something happens with some lady in our family, we are filled with anger and even swear to kill the culprit.

    The INNER VOICE tells us that considering all women with same respect as mother is the ONLY way that we can live safely and with dignity in this world. And if that not be the case, no relationship, no law, no enforcement – nothing matters. And why only women, if this logic be applied to anything that we lust for, living or non-living, then the only way to justify them is to justify a free-for-all jungle Raaj. All laws, all ethics, all code of conducts, all urge for discipline – everything is then stupid and at best relevant ONLY for them who can make them or break them for their own “instinctive” fun.


    The inner voice does not tell us in so many clear words. It tells us all this as a feeling of shame, guilt, disgust or discomfort. Those who follow the inner voice also get to the reason because now they are in harmony with nature and can understand their own feelings more deeply.

    To deny INNER VOICE is to deny our own existence.

    If anyone says he does not hear any inner voice, it may be either of the following cases:

    - He is simply lying because he cannot overpower instincts

    - He has learned to dumb his mind into blankness so that the inner voice no more disturbs him.In other words, he deactivated the voice.

    e. That is why Ishopanishad Mantra 3 gives another clue to know whether inner voice is activated or deliberately deactivated. It says, rascals shut their minds off. They find themselves covered with darkness everywhere with no knowledge. Hence, if ever you find that your mind is blanking, or your thinking power is diminishing, or your reasoning ability is reduced, or your alertness is decreasing during or after an act, that is NOT as per INNER VOICE. That will lead you to further darkness and miseries.

    Thus:

    - Drinking alcohol is stupid because it dumbs your mind

    - Eating meat is stupid because it harms environment, kills innocent animals, bad for economy, bad for longevity and hence cannot be logically reasoned

    - Killing innocents is stupid

    - Enjoying vulgarity or idolizing glamorous pimps and prostitutes is stupid

    - Considering any woman to be anything except as respectful as mother is stupid

    - Running behind short-term material wealth or fame without any higher goal is stupid

    - Indulging in corruption is stupid

    etc etc.
    Instincts would lead us to do something as per our past behaviors. But INNER VOICE will act as an alert watchman certifying whether its worth doing or not. And if it is not, INNER VOICE would help us reprogram our instincts through practice. This is already explained in Mantra 2 of Ishopanishad.

    But never ever deactivate the INNER VOICE.

    Any action performed with INNER VOICE deactivated is stupidity and cause of all miseries. Period.

    f. Note that we all are Asurs in some form or other, in some aspects or other. This is the SOLE cause of ALL our miseries. There are a huge number of actions that we perform purely on our instincts without consulting inner voice. Thus we shall suffer miseries, darkness and frustrations in those areas. Also know that our life is not divided into different water-tight compartments. Thus if we are Asur in one area, it impacts everything else also. This is same as the old adage: One rotten fish spoils the whole pond.

    The goal of life is to KILL this Asur who is Aatmahana – Killing us.

    Since soul is immortal, killing of soul means deactivating those traits which differentiate us from non-living things. Those who kill their souls also kill the capacity of soul to enjoy bliss of Ishwar. Thus they are naturally led to darkness and miseries.

    In other words, since we ourselves attempt to kill our soul, we get the results that we truly deserve. If we are told to spend few days with a dead body next to us in a closed room, we shall rather die than face the infection and odor. Imagine what would be the result of living with our own dead soul closest to us!

    REMEMBER, it is this INNER VOICE that differentiates us from non-living entities. Those who deny its existence either through their actions or thoughts or even arguments are actually Asurs attempting to kill themselves. They are destined, by their own deeds, to face miserable consequences of living with a rotting corpse.

    g. The Mantra states that when we kill our soul, we face dumbness, reduced ability to enjoy happiness and miseries. This happens not only in this life right from the moment we kill our conscience aka INNER VOICE, but also continues after death in next birth. We take birth in species and environments that best suit our dumbness. Animals are supposed to be those species where those souls take birth who stopped using their INNER VOICE. Thus they face the results of their dumbness and only when they are suitable enough to exercise their free-will to heed to the INNER VOICE, that they take birth as humans again.

    Thus the whole process continues without any disruptions due to death. Hence it is also futile to think of suicide as a way to escape the miseries of today. In fact, the tendency to commit suicide will add up to our instincts and hence make us even more dumb to listen to INNER VOICE. Thus it will make matters worse.

    h. So what to do when we realize that we have got into bad habit of numbing our minds and not listening to INNER VOICE? How to kill the Asur inside us? What to do when we know we have committed many blunders and mistakes.

    The answer is already provided in previous mantras.

    But here are some more popular wrong ways:


    - Suicide: It is out of question because that will make matters worse. You will become even bigger Asurs and face even more miseries.

    - Running away from situations to start afresh: This will also not work. Because the instincts will recreate the same situations wherever we go. This world is a war against not anyone else but our own instincts. So run anywhere, even in most isolated jungles and yet your instincts will follow you. Just as head of a coin cannot run away from its tail, you cannot run away from your instincts.

    - Becoming a sanyasi or monk: It will not help either. Sanyaas is not for those with deafness of INNER VOICE but those with extremely strong ears to INNER VOICE. Becoming a namesake sanyasi without the transformation inside will make you a hypocrite and hence an even bigger Asur.

    - Confessing your crimes and saying sorry to the person against whom you committed crimes: Again of no use. Many intellectuals state that if you have done anything wrong you should confess that to the person against whom you committed wrong and then you shall be free of its guilt. Those in path of Vedas will not say so. Because Ishopanishad Mantra 1 clearly stated that everything belongs to Ishwar alone and nothing else is directly related to you. So the only person against whom you committed crime was Ishwar even though He remains unaffected by it. Thus confessing crimes in front of others – who are neither as intelligent nor understanding – as Ishwar would simply be foolishness.

    Further, just as a drop of poison makes entire food poisonous, each act done by each person against his INNER VOICE affects innumerable souls linked to him directly or indirectly. Thus if confession be the way to get rid of Asur inside, then one will have to make billions of confessions.

    - Some scholars are of opinion that one should detach himself from the crimes and if told to reveal his or her past, should honestly speak the worst of his crimes. This will give inner strength. This approach is also against Vedas and good for only those who doubt Ishwar or do not understand mechanism of mind.

    Had detachment been so easy, what took us so many births and even in this birth we are struggling so much to get detached? Further, each time one is told to reveal his past and he states his misdeeds, he would only be strengthening the very instincts that made him commit those crimes in first place. So this approach would only make him more vulnerable. Also the very fact that he mentions certain crimes means that subconsciously he considers these crimes to be big enough to be discussed. Thus it means that in reality instead of being detached, he is still attached and perhaps even more attached.

    And what about the millions of minor crimes that we all committed since birth. If I committed a bank robbery, then after being a so-called saint, I should discuss about it when asked to get rid of the Asur tendencies. But what about those petty things I stole since birth that turned me into a robber, each lie I said, each time I cheated in all the games we played as children, each time I abused anyone, each time I killed ants for fun etc etc. All these together made me into a bank robber. How much can I tell and how long can I tell. Each moment can take hours to elaborate.

    i. Here is the Vedic way or Ishopanishadic way in current context.

    - Surrender to Ishwar and humbly apologize for all the mistakes I have been doing since Ishwar-knows when. Do it emotionally and not by mechanical recitation of some dialogues or mantras.

    - Promise to Ishwar that I would never ever repeat false ways again. Promise to Ishwar that I shall only follow the path of truth taking Ishwar alone as example, guide and benchmark. Request to Ishwar alone that He provide me strength to be successful in this vow.

    - Now refuse to do anything with whatever you may have done in past. Even if it is in active memory, refuse to discuss it or even think about it. Think of something better. Surrender all evil thoughts of past and present to Ishwar and feel Idanna Mama.

    Instead of carrying skeletons in suitcase and be eager to show it to anyone when asked as a mark of honesty, throw the suitcase in dustbin and travel light. Idanna Mama – Not mine, all for Ishwar.

    - Now get into vigorous actions. Perform more and more of noble intentioned actions as much as you can with full enthusiasm. Mantra 2 clearly stated that this is the ONLY way.

    - Obviously old habits die hard and even the noble actions would have many defects. Plus there would be many times when you would be swayed away by instincts to be Asur again.

    But do not worry. Do not give up. Rise up again, even more aggressively. Repeat the previous steps again and again. In fact make it part of a new instinct that whenever you fall you rise even more enthusiastically refusing to do anything with past.

    - Do ensure that even this does not become another bad habit to say sorry and work again and fall again and say sorry. Don’t think that by saying sorry you have another opportunity to start afresh then why worry!

    Know clearly that each time you fall, you do lose something. Each time you try to fool Ishwar, He is smarter than you to know this.

    And you HAVE to face the consequences of all your mistakes. No amount of worship, prayers or confession can delete the results of your actions. Just as obesity does not get cured by saying prayers or saying sorry. But if you refuse to do anything with past mistakes, reprogram your routine, become health conscious, take good diet etc, over a period of time you can become lean again. Whatever principle applies to body, same applies to mind and soul.


    - To ensure that this works effectively, keeping yourself busy with vigorous and more ambitious actions is essential. Each time you fall, the actions and discipline should be even more tight this time.

    To this with all your emotions, passions, feelings and reasoning. Set ambitious targets. Make sure you are doing something concrete for betterment of world and not your own self. Review the first mantra of Ishopanishad.

    As you engage in better and more of noble actions, old patterns will start breaking and new patterns will start emerging. Refuse to think about old patterns because that will strengthen them. When found with a situation that arouses old instincts, simply start thinking of your new goals and immediately get to actions. Avoid the trigger situations in first place and if you cannot then make yourself busy in completely different noble deeds then.

    Soon you will have all your instincts reprogrammed as per your inner voice. Life will now become much more easier, enjoyable and relaxing because you have stopped struggling with your INNER VOICE. The INNER VOICE will bring greater and deeper feeling of enthusiasm, fearlessness, peace, satisfaction and happiness with each act. Instead of killing your soul, you have started nurturing it.

    Now seek newer ways to learn more, meditate better and perform even better actions. Soon this would spiral up towards enhanced wisdom, more pronounced INNER VOICE, ever-increasing happiness, heightened harmony with nature and you would find journey towards ultimate bliss of Ishwar the most enjoyable experience of your life!

    O Ishwar! Grant me the wisdom to have this exhilarating experience RIGHT NOW!

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    Post  devakas Thu Sep 13, 2012 7:32 pm

    Krsna, The Supreme Personality of Godhead

    by George Harrison

    (on "Words From Apple" Letterhead)

    Everybody is looking for KRSNA. Some don't realize that they are, but they are.
    KRSNA is GOD, the Source of all that exists, the Cause of all that is, was, or ever will be.
    As GOD is unlimited HE has many Names. Allah-Buddha-Jehova-Rama: All are KRSNA, all are ONE.

    God is not abstract; He has both the impersonal and the personal aspects to His personality which is SUPREME, ETERNAL, BLISSFUL, and full of KNOWLEDGE. As a single drop of water has the same qualities as an ocean of water, so has our consciousness the qualities of GOD'S consciousness... but through our identification and attachment with material energy (physical body, sense pleasures, material possessions, ego, etc.) our true TRANSCENDENTAL CONSCIOUSNESS has been polluted, and like a dirty mirror it is unable to reflect a pure image.

    With many lives our association with the TEMPORARY has grown. This impermanent body, a bag of bones and flesh, is mistaken for our true self, and we have accepted this temporary condition to be final.

    Through all ages, great SAINTS have remained as living proof that this non-temporary, permanent state of GOD CONSCIOUSNESS can be revived in all living Souls. Each soul is potentially divine.

    Krsna says in Bhagavad Gita: "Steady in the Self, being freed from all material contamination, the yogi achieves the highest perfetional stage of happiness in touch with the Supreme Consciousness." (VI,28)

    YOGA (a scientific method for GOD (SELF) realization) is the process by which we purify our consciousness, stop further pollution, and arrive at the state of Perfection, full KNOWLEDGE, full BLISS.

    If there's a God, I want to see Him. It's pointless to believe in something without proof, and Krsna Consciousness and meditation are methods where you can actually obtain GOD perception. You can actually see God, and Hear Him, play with Him. It might sound crazy, but He is actually there, actually with you.

    There are many yogic Paths--Raja, Jnana, Hatha, Kriya, Karma, Bhakti--which are all acclaimed by the MASTERS of each method.

    SWAMI BHAKTIVEDANTA is as his title says, a BHAKTI Yogi following the path of DEVOTION. By serving GOD through each thought, word, and DEED, and by chanting HIS Holy Names, the devotee quickly develops God-consciousness. By chanting

    Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna

    Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare

    Hare Rama, Hare Rama

    Rama Rama, Hare Hare

    one inevitably arrives at KRSNA Consciousness. (The proof of the pudding is in the eating!)

    I request that you take advantage of this book KRSNA, and enter into its understanding. I also request that you make an appointment to meet your God now, through the self liberating process of YOGA (UNION) and GIVE PEACE A CHANCE.

    ALL YOU NEED IS LOVE (KRISHNA) HARI BOL.

    George Harrison 31/3/70

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    Post  Eartheart Thu Sep 13, 2012 8:56 pm

    As a RawLoove Breatharian i would state here, that iscon and related Gaudiya sampra- daya's are overindulging in food/feeding (even the icingsugar) and books. So their pudding has to be eaten.
    Butthe pudding is good if it hardens! And you dont taste it before offering it to Krishna or Rhada respective!

    But you can be the Honey or taste the Honey - that is absolute truth. In Loove. in Aumng.

    PS: Dont overfeel the fun!
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    Post  devakas Fri Sep 14, 2012 3:32 pm

    yes prasadam is something amazing. you cook without tasting and it is always Wow. I wish mists would taste it. I should cook and share mantra.

    i like Tony, but Kalki devotee?? isn't too early here now? 430,000+ years to hang on on action planet... or toooo many samskaras? outch, I should buy japa beads for him. Embarassed

    Dont overfeel the fun?? it just starting.
    Love is unlimited and ever increasing sunny


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    Post  Eartheart Fri Sep 14, 2012 7:03 pm

    The Winner Lately when i was the girlfrind bride kind of thingy for some nights in the devi of Belooved Kalki Avatr
    i felt so much better than in the usual Shiva attire, and while wispering his tantrix into my subdub, his Heart liberated and enspaced all my Eartheart Loovers in all parralel Dims and extensions of my soulgroup.

    When krishna decimated the molecular cluster to fuse the 2x10 Para-atmas of 2 different galaxies - or get my kindness like it all comes from Sri Krsna's merciful kindness through Paramatma to the atma to the intelligence to the mind to the senses. Was this or will it be in 3 month ???
    Isha Jeevayoh vesha dhee bidhaah
    Sat svabhaavatho vasthu kevalam
    which makes me illusionary again!?! Cow


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    Swakaale Satyavatbhati Prabodhe sati Asadbhavet.
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    Post  devakas Tue Sep 18, 2012 4:11 pm


    HH Radhanath Swami quotes. Enjoy


    http://www.dandavats.info/?p=311

    Namaste to all
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    Post  devakas Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:43 pm

    Sanskrit verses why all in spiritual world are 'connected' and who should be protected in Kali Yuga.


    http://www.bhagavad-gita.org/Articles/holy-cow.html


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    Post  devakas Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:50 pm


    Govinda(he who pleases the cows) is another Beautiful name of Krishna.


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    Cow is the purest animal of all time.......we all should protect and respect cows.....Krishna gets extremely angry when cow is hurt...

    All the demigods have their positions inside the holy cow..... Go mata ki jai

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    Nanda Maharaja had 900,000 cows. Visvanatha Cakravarti gives this description of the cows of Vrindavana. Krishna knew every cow by name. If any cow was missing Krishna would immediately chase after the missing cow and call her by name. The cows were divided into herds by color, either black, white, red, or yellow. In each color there were 25 further divisions making a total of 100 herds. There were also eight herds of cows that were spotted or speckled or had heads shaped like a mridanga or that had tilak marks on their foreheads. There was a total of 108 different herds of cows. Each of the 108 herds had a herd leader.



    "Thus when Krishna calls out, 'Hey Dhavali' (the name of a white cow) a whole group of white cows comes forward, and when Krishna calls 'Hamsi, Candani, Ganga, Mukta' and so on, the twenty-four other groups of white cows come. The reddish cows are called 'Aruni, Kunkuma, Sarasvati, etc., the blackish ones 'Shyamala, Dhumala, Yamuna, etc., and the yellowish ones are Pita, Pingala, Haritaki, etc. (Srimad Bhagavatam 10.35.19 purport)


    "As described in the Brahma Samhita (surabhi apbipalayantam), Lord Krishna on His planet, Goloka Vrindavana, engages in tending the surabhi cows. These cows are the Lord's pet animals." (Srimad Bhagavatam 8.8.2 purport)

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    Post  mudra Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:23 am

    devakas wrote:
    HH Radhanath Swami quotes. Enjoy


    http://www.dandavats.info/?p=311

    Namaste to all
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    Post  mudra Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:23 am

    devakas wrote:
    HH Radhanath Swami quotes. Enjoy


    http://www.dandavats.info/?p=311

    Namaste to all
    sunny

    I have decided to delete my post .
    I believe it may well have raised the anger of the Gods.

    I realize it was'nt on my path to inquire into that matter.
    My action was'nt driven from the Heart but rather from
    ego misdirection as I failed to follow inner guidance.

    I apologize for the upset this may have raised.
    Please forgive me .

    Thank You.

    Love from me

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    Post  devakas Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:47 am


    If you don’t look at your heart mudra you only doing empty fake love delivery business you will not recognize genuine Love. You will not see it you will not hear it you will not recognize it. Google love comes with poison.

    A dog barked and the caravan moved on
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    Post  mudra Sat Sep 22, 2012 7:01 am

    devakas wrote:

    A dog barked and the caravan moved on

    Nice Haiku
    One for you

    Like a rainfall

    Suddenly and without warning

    Wisdom comes


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    Post  devakas Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:37 pm



    About HH Radhanath Swami I was thinking UK parliament, many EU and US Universities, TV stations, FBI did not find this information, but you did.


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    Post  devakas Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:12 pm


    Vedas

    old wise ... stays wise

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    Post  Rasa Sat Sep 22, 2012 2:12 pm

    In countless ways one human being tries to dominate over others by both gross and subtle agressions or destroy another's faith. This has been going on from time immemorial and always will be....until one will free himself from the pangs of the modes of this material nature which is made from lust, anger and greed. We are compelled to act in this way and even feel righteous about it. After many struggles of practicing bonafide spiritual paths, life after life, by the mercy of the Supreme, one can be freed from this situation and experience compassion for every scentian being.
    There is so much dirt all around us. The Internet is source number one. These websites that Mudra has posted (Post 690) are another examples of that human desire to destroy someone who has attained something higher that is not yet attainable for them.
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    Post  mudra Sun Sep 23, 2012 6:13 am

    Rasa wrote:In countless ways one human being tries to dominate over others by both gross and subtle agressions or destroy another's faith. This has been going on from time immemorial and always will be....until one will free himself from the pangs of the modes of this material nature which is made from lust, anger and greed. We are compelled to act in this way and even feel righteous about it. After many struggles of practicing bonafide spiritual paths, life after life, by the mercy of the Supreme, one can be freed from this situation and experience compassion for every scentian being.
    There is so much dirt all around us. The Internet is source number one. These websites that Mudra has posted (Post 690) are another examples of that human desire to destroy someone who has attained something higher that is not yet attainable for them.

    That is certainly true Rasa.
    What I read on these particular websites brought me to the reflection that faith aimed outside to a particular person or thing
    is subject to change and controversy.
    Faith born within devoid of any particular attachment to person or form growth from Spirit and integrates in its
    peace the many expressions that Life may take.
    Looking outside is where judgement begins as when we name beauty we'll also name ugliness.
    Within the awareness of our core essence judgements dissolve and understanding takes place.
    To be a fine player in the game one needs probably to find the balancing point that brings both harmoniously together.

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    Post  devakas Sun Sep 23, 2012 7:48 am


    good morning mudra

    Brook

    when we always balancing with ugliness (like those barking in the videos I did not watch) I dont think we become harmonious, I think we become corrupted.

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    Post  We Are You Sun Sep 23, 2012 12:28 pm

    Buddha knows


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    Post  Sanicle Mon Sep 24, 2012 8:41 am

    Dear Mudra, you are so wise. IMO, this statement below encapsulates everything that's gone wrong with every major religion in the world today ie that followers/devotees are trained to worship tainted human beings as a pathway to and/or mouthpiece of God. History has proven that many of these so-called enlightened servants of God are merely very good at politics and showmanship. And keeping secrets within their hierarchy as part of those politics of power.

    mudra wrote:....faith aimed outside to a particular person or thing is subject to change and controversy.
    Faith born within devoid of any particular attachment to person or form growth from Spirit and integrates in its peace the many expressions that Life may take.

    And before you jump down my throat with some sarcastic comeback Devakas, I'm not asserting that Radhanath Swami is one of these. But I'm sure you've seen it in other religions as all is being brought out into the open in so many of them these days. As you said..
    Vedas

    old wise ... stays wise
    ...but many forget faith should be only in the Being the words represent and yet they share their adoration with those who are paid to spruik them as well. Should we bow down to anyone just because they've learned to quote the Vedas well? Does anyone who does so deserve to expect that they are revered and given honour because they do so? If so, they need a lesson in humility if they do not also live by every tenet in their holy book. Even then, they are not God and should not expect to be worshiped.
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    Post  mudra Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:21 am

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    good morning mudra

    Brook

    when we always balancing with ugliness (like those barking in the videos I did not watch) I dont think we become harmonious, I think we become corrupted.

    Enlightened

    Good day devakas.
    Your interpretation of my words don't match the point I was making.
    Read them again . You may come with a new understanding.

    Love from me
    mudra
    mudra
    mudra


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    Post  mudra Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:23 am

    Good to see you here dear Sanicle.
    And thank you for finding sense in my post.

    Love to you sister

    mudra

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