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    Post  devakas on Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:12 am

    Lets share and discuss the Vedas knowledge and wisdom hidden from us for too long. Many famous philosophers studied Vedic scriptures, scientists borrowed vedic knowledge and applied in their work including NASA, many religions grew from Vedas, only part of astronomy and math adopted by humans still waiting to be studied from Vedas, only part of todays medicine is practiced in the world and there is still so much to learn from Vedic ayurveda...

    Vedic Scripts, wisdom and facts Vishnu11
    Live in the spirit of the teachings of the Vedas. Learn to discriminate between the permanent and the impermanent. Behold the Self in all beings, in all objects. Names and forms are illusory. Therefore sublate them. Feel that there is nothing but the Self. Share what you have,-physical, mental, moral or spiritual,-with all. Serve the Self in all. Feel when you serve others, that you are serving your own Self. Love thy neighbour as thyself. Melt all illusory differences. Remove all barriers that separate man from man. Mix with all. Embrace all. Destroy the sex-idea and body-idea by constantly thinking of the Self or the sexless, bodiless Atman. Fix the mind on the Self when you work. This is the essence of the teachings of the Vedas and sages of yore. This is real, eternal life in Atman. Put these things in practice in the daily battle of life. You will shine as a dynamic Yogi. There is no doubt of this.
    The Vedic scriptures are the spiritual literature of the ancient Indian culture. They consist of a huge collection of books written in the Sanskrit language that includes material (mundane), religious (ritualistic), and spiritual(monotheistic) knowledge. The word "Vedic" is derived from the Sanskrit word veda, meaning knowledge or revelation. According to Vedic history, these scriptures were written down about 5000 years ago. This date is not accepted in modern Indology, but the date is in fact not very important, because the knowledge in these scriptuires existed long before it was written down.
    The Veda is understood by simply accepting what the Veda says about itself. This Vedic self-understanding may be amazing or even unbelievable to the modern reader.
    The Vedic scriptures maintain a completely different version-one of ancient cultures, timeless revelations, and divine incarnations. The entire body of Vedic knowledge has a systematic structure and a clearly-defined goal, being compiled by Vedic rishis (sages) headed by Vyasadeva- the literary incarnation of Lord Krishna. About 5000 years ago these sages systematically wrote down this knowledge to prevent it from being lost in the upcoming Kali-yuga, the Iron Age of quarrel and hypocrisy, the most fallen in the cycle of ages.
    The structure of the Vedic scriptures can be compared to a staircase with many steps, with specific scriptures corresponding to each step. The Vedic scriptures describe both the goal and the steps leading up to this goal. They are nonsectarian because they respect people of all "steps", encouraging everyone to progress to the next step. There is no converting or pushing, because everyone has to walk for himself. As the Vedic saying goes, "Even in a flock of birds, each bird has to fly for itself."
    Individual evolution is not limited to one life. The Vedic understanding of reincarnation declares that the steps of this symbolical staircase can also be understood as lifetimes.
    Superficially, the Vedic scriptures may appear to be unsystematic and even contradictory, but this impression can easily be reconciled by finding out how each step is connected with the goal.

    The Four Vedas
    Known as Rig, Yajur, Sama, and Atharva, the four Vedas are usually labeled as the original Vedic scriptures. Rig means ritual, and this Veda contains mainly hymns and prayers (mantras) for the worship of the universal forces known as the demigods. Yajur means ceremony, and this Veda mainly describes how to perform the rituals. Sama means singing, and this Veda contains many other mantras and strict rules how to chant these mantras according to mystic vibrations. Atharva means the priest who knows the secret lore, and this Veda describes many different kinds of worship and invocations. In a broader sense, the Atharva also includes scriptures of material knowledge, like the Ayur-Veda(pharmacology and health).
    The purpose of these teachings is to encourage one to understand that one is not an independent entity but a part of a universal body that depends on many higher forces. The most important lesson from these four Vedas is to accept higher authorities. By linking up with the divine forces through ritual and understanding, one profits materially and experiences peace and harmony.
    Tantric Scriptures
    Not everybody is inclined to follow the methods of the Vedas, which demand strictness, purity, faith, and patience. Impatient, ignorant people demand instant results, and these can be obtained by magic, ghost worship, etc. By providing such knowledge, the Vedic scriptures encourage the faith of occultists, so that one day or one lifetime, they may develop interest in the higher aspects of the Veda. Such works are in the modes of passion and ignorance.
    The Upanisads
    Woven into the four Vedas are philosophical discussions called the Aranyakas and Brahmanas. The most significant of these are the Upanisads("sitting beneath", i.e. knowledge obtained from a spiritual teacher). These texts show that all material forms are temporary manifestations of an eternal energy beyond material duality. They show the oneness behind the variety and inspire those absorbed in the rituals of the Vedas to go beyond their short-term goals.

    The Vedanta-sutras
    To provide a common ground of argument for all philosophical schools, the 560 condensed aphorisms of the Vedanta-sutra define the Vedic truths in the most general terms. Therefore the commentaries to the Vedanta-sutras are voluminous.
    The Itihasas
    These are the historical works, mainly the Ramayana(the history of the incarnation Rama), the 18 Puranas and 18 Sub-puranas(the universal history of creation and annihilation, incarnations and great kings, saints and teachers), and the Mahabharata (the history of ancient India, or Bharata, up to the appearance of Krishna five thousand years ago). These scriptures are essential because they expand the understanding of the Absolute beyond the abstract, impersonal platform. The Absolute is supremely perfect and complete, which is why it is both impersonal and personal. But the personal aspect is the original source of the secondary impersonal existence of the Lord, since an impersonal energy cannot be the source of persons. The Itihasas reveal this personal feature, gradually introducing and identifying it, culminating in the purely monotheistic revelations of the Bhagavad-gita and Srimad-Bhagavatam.
    The Bhagavad-gita and the Srimad-Bhagavatam
    The Vedic scriptures designate these sacred texts as the most important, essential revelations. They directly describe the nature, energy, and person of God, who is both the immanent (as Vishnu) and transcendent (as Krishna) source of everything, the cause of all causes, of both the impersonal and personal manifestations. Bhagavad-gita("the song of God") are the words spoken by God, and Srimad-Bhagavatam("Divine Revelation")are the words about God spoken by His representatives. This implicit structure of the Vedic scriptures sheds new light on the entire Vedic tradition and deserves closer examination. But the goal of these scriptures is to lead us to the Supreme, and it is not sufficient merely to study them theoretically. They imply practical consequences. Mere academic study of the Vedic scriptures can be compared to reading a cookbook or a musical composition. If we don't come to the point of actually cooking or playing, we will have missed the goal.

    The Bhagavad-gita As It Is
    The Vedic scriptures designate these sacred texts as the most important, essential revelations. They directly describe the nature, energy, and person of God, who is both the immanent (as Vishnu) and transcendent (as Krishna) source of everything, the cause of all causes, of both the impersonal and personal manifestations. Bhagavad-gita("the song of God") are the words spoken by God, and Srimad-Bhagavatam("Divine Revelation")are the words about God spoken by His representatives. The goal of these scriptures is to lead us to the Supreme.

    Vedic Scripts, wisdom and facts Krishn10
    Bhagavad-gita means "the song of God." It was spoken by Lord Krishna to His friend and eternal servant Arjuna, one of the five Pandava brothers, the heroes of the epic Mahabharata. The 18 chapters of the Bhagavad-gita are from the middle of the Mahabharata and comprise the core teaching of that history of India. The 700 verses of the Bhagavad-gita were spoken in about 45 minutes. They were spoken 3,134 years before the birth of Christ on a battlefield about 80 km. north of Delhi, India. That battlefield, called Kuruksetra, still exists today.
    Lord Krishna says in Bhagavad-gita 15.15:
    sarvasya caham hrdi sannivisto
    mattah smrtir jnanam apohanam ca
    vedais ca sarvair aham eva vedyo
    vedanta-krd veda-vid eva caham

    I am seated in everyone's heart, and from Me come rememberance, knowledge
    and forgetfulness. By all the Vedas, I am to be known.
    Indeed, I am the compiler of Vedanta, and I am the knower of the Vedas.

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    Post  devakas on Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:34 am

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    Once five blind men came upon an elephant. They began feeling the elephant and speculating on what it was. One felt its big legs and concluded, “Oh, the elephant is just like a pillar.” The second man felt the trunk and concluded, “Oh, this elephant is just like a snake.” The third man felt the ear of the elephant and concluded, “This elephant is like a big fan.” The fourth man felt the tail of the elephant and concluded, “This elephant is like a broom.” And the third man felt the belly of the elephant and concluded, “This elephant is like a big boat.” - That’s an analogy of institutionalised blind faith in its various forms ...
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    Post  devakas on Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:37 am

    The question of human origins has always been a hot topic among philosophers and scientists. Today, most of them accept the Darvinian account that humans like us came into existence about 100,000 years ago, having evolved from more apelike ancestors. But the Vedic literature gives us another account of human origins. Let's call this account human devolution. To put it in its most simple terms, we do not evolve up from matter but devolve, or come down, from spirit. I want to show how this Vedic concept of human devolution can be presented to those who are not very familiar with the Vedic literature.
    The human devolution process, the process by which conscious selves enter human bodies on earth, has been going on for a very long time. According to the PURANAS, or histories, humans like us have existed on earth for vast periods of cyclical time. The basic unit of this cyclical time is the day of Brahma, which lasts for 4.32 billion years. The day of Brahma is followed by a night of Brahma, which also lasts for 4.32 billion years. The days follow the nights endlessly in succession. During the days of Brahma, life, including human life, is manifest, and during the nights it is not manifest. According to the Puranic cosmological calendar, the current day of Brahma began about two billion years ago. One of the forefathers of humankind, Svayambhuva Manu ruled during that time, and the Bhagavata Purana 6.4.1 tells us: human beings were created during the reign of Manu. Therefore, a Vedic archeologist might expect to find evidence for a human presence going that far back in time.
    In our book Forbidden Archeology, my coauthor Richard L. Thompson (Sadaputa Dasa) and I documented extensive evidence, in the form of human skeletons, human tootprints, and human artifacts, showing that humans like ourselves have inhabited the earth for hundreds of millions of years, just as the Puranas tell us. This evidence is not very well known because of a process of knowledge filtration that operates in the scientific world. Evidence that contradicts the Darwinian theory of human evolution is set aside, ignored, and eventually forgotten.

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    Post  devakas on Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:47 am

    Vedas (Sanskrit: वेद) are the main scriptural texts of the Sanatana Dharma, and are a large corpus of texts originating in Ancient India.

    The Vedas, regarded as śruti ("that which is heard"), form part of an oral tradition in the form of an ancient teacher-disciple tradition. As per Hindu tradition the Vedas were 'revealed' to the Rishis referred to in the texts, not composed or written by them. Even though many historians have tried to affix dates to the Vedas there is as yet no common consensus as there is for the scriptures of other religions.

    The Vedas are arguably the oldest surviving texts in the world. The Vedanta and Mimamsa schools of Hindu philosophy assert that the Vedas are apaurusheya ("unauthored"), that is, they have neither human nor divine origin, and are eternal in nature. As per Hindu tradition, the sage Vedavyasa divided the Vedas into Rigveda, Yajurveda, Samaveda and Atharvaveda at the beginning of the Kali Yuga.

    If we are going to understand the essential truths in Vedic literature, then we must get a glimpse of the content and purpose of its many texts and the expansive nature of the knowledge it contains. The Vedic philosophy encompasses the oldest spiritual texts of any religion in the world, and its subjects are broad and numerous. Its more advanced concepts can be difficult for even the greatest scholars to fathom. The Vedic literature discusses many types of philosophical viewpoints, and studying some of them will let us see that many of the concepts that we accept as new today are nothing more than parts of the ancient Vedic knowledge that had been dealt with and thoroughly understood thousands of years ago. Thus, there are not many ideas that are really new at all.

    The main purpose of the Vedic literature is to establish knowledge of the Absolute Truth and the process for attaining the highest levels of self-realization. To do that it must, and does, contain the elementary as well as most advanced forms of spiritual knowledge. So let us see exactly what kind of information is found within the many volumes of Vedic literature, and if there is any one understanding or direction in particular which it encourages people to take for complete spiritual success.

    Anyone here read any of Stephen Knapp's books on the Vedas? I found them interesting.


    Yes, our history has been hidden from us for too long.


    Thanks for starting this thread.
    I have just skimmed to get the essence, though I have read similar material before.
    It allways amazes me that the human race has forgotten, ignored, so much of real value.
    I will come back and read properly.
    Thanks so much for this thread.

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    Post  devakas on Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:48 am

    I found facinating how many cultures throughout the world are influenced by Vedas.
    Again and again it tells me that it should be a source of hidden for us knowledge somewhere...
    would like to share with you this.

    Richard L. Thompson
    The Bhaktivedanta Book Trust. Used by permission.

    The ancient Greek writer Aratos tells the following story about the
    constellation Virgo, or the virgin. Virgo, he says, may have belonged to
    the star race, the forefathers of the ancient stars. In primeval times,
    in the golden age, she lived among mankind as Justice personified and
    would exhort people to adhere to the truth. At this time people lived
    peacefully, without hypocrisy or quarrel. Later, in the age of silver,
    she hid herself in the mountains, but occasionally she came down to
    berate people for their evil ways. Finally the age of bronze came.
    People invented the sword, and "they tasted the meat of cows, the first
    who did it." At this point Virgo "flew away to the sphere"; that is, she
    departed for the celestial realm.[1]

    The Vedic literature of India gives an elaborate description of the
    universe as a cosmos -- a harmonious, ordered system created according
    to an intelligent plan as a habitation for living beings. The modern
    view of the universe is so different from the Vedic view that the latter
    is presently difficult to comprehend. In ancient times, however,
    cosmogonies similar to the Vedic system were widespread among people all
    over the world. Educated people of today tend to immediately dismiss
    these systems of thought as mythology, pointing to their diversity and
    their strange ideas as proof that they are all simply products of the

    If we do this, however, we may be overlooking important information that
    could shed light on the vast forgotten period that precedes the brief
    span of recorded human history. There is certainly much evidence of
    independent storytelling in the traditions of various cultures, but
    there are also many common themes. Some of these themes are found in
    highly developed form in the Vedic literature. Their presence in
    cultures throughout the world is consistent with the idea that in the
    distant past, Vedic culture exerted worldwide influence.

    In this article we will give some examples of Vedic ideas concerning
    time and human longevity that appear repeatedly in different traditions.
    First we will examine some of these ideas, and then we will discuss some
    questions about what they imply and how they should be interpreted.

    In the Vedic literature time is regarded as a manifestation of Krsna,
    the Supreme Being. As such, time is a controlling force that regulates
    the lives of living beings in accordance with a cosmic plan. This plan
    involves repeating cycles of creation and destruction of varying
    durations. The smallest and most important of these repeating cycles
    consists of four yugas, or ages, called Satya, Treta, Dvapara, and Kali.
    In these successive ages mankind gradually descends from a high
    spiritual platform to a degenerated state. Then, with the beginning of a
    new Satya-yuga, the original state of purity is restored, and the cycle
    begins again.

    The story of Virgo illustrates that in the ancient Mediterranean world
    there was widespread belief in a similar succession of four ages, known
    there as the ages of gold, silver, bronze, and iron. In this system
    humanity also starts out in the first age in an advanced state of
    consciousness and gradually becomes degraded. Here also, the progressive
    developments in human society are not simply evolving by physical
    processes, but are superintended by a higher controlling intelligence.

    It is noteworthy that Aratos' story specifies the eating of cows as a
    sinful act that cut mankind off from direct contact with celestial
    beings. This detail fits in nicely with the ancient Indian traditions of
    cow protection, but it is unexpected in the context of Greek or European

    One explanation for similarities between ideas found in different
    cultures is that people everywhere have essentially the same
    psychological makeup, and so they tend to come up independently with
    similar notions. However, details such as the point about cow-killing
    suggest that we are dealing here with common traditions rather than
    independent inventions.

    Another example of similarities between cultures can be found among the
    natives of North America. The Sioux Indians say that their ancestors
    were visited by a celestial woman who gave them their system of
    religion. She pointed out to them that there are four ages, and that
    there is a sacred buffalo that loses one leg during each age. At present
    we are in the last age, an age of degradation, and the buffalo has one

    This story is a close parallel to the account in the Srimad Bhagavatam
    of the encounter between Maharaja Pariksit and the bull of Dharma.
    There, Dharma is said to lose one leg with each successive yuga, leaving
    it with one leg in the present Age of Kali.

    According to the Vedic system, the lengths of the Satya, Treta, Dvapara,
    and Kali yugas are 4, 3, 2, and 1 times an interval of 432,000 years.
    Within these immense periods of time the human life span decreases from
    100,000 years in the Satya-yuga to 10,000 years in the Treta-yuga, 1,000
    years in the Dvapara-yuga, and finally 100 years in the Kali-yuga.

    Of course, this idea is strongly at odds with the modern evolutionary
    view of the past. In the ancient Mediterranean world, however, it was
    widely believed that human history had extended over extremely long
    periods of time. For example, according to old historical records,
    Porphyry (c. 300 A.D.) said that Callisthenes, a companion of Alexander
    in the Persian war, dispatched to Aristotle Babylonian records of
    eclipses and that these records covered 31,000 years. Likewise,
    Iamblicus (fourth century) said on the authority of the ancient Greek
    astronomer Hipparchus that the Assyrians had made observations for
    270,000 years and had kept records of the return of all seven planets to
    the same position.[3] Finally, the Babylonian historian Berosus assigned
    432,000 years to the total span of the reigns of the Babylonian kings
    before the Flood.[4]

    We do not wish to suggest that these statements are true (or that they
    are false). The point here is that people in the old Mediterranean
    civilization evidently had a much different view of the past than the
    dominant view today. And this view was broadly consistent with Vedic

    Although the Bible is well known for advocating a very short time-span
    for human history, it is interesting to note that it contains
    information indicating that people at one time lived for about 1,000
    years. In the Old Testament the following ages are listed for people
    living before the Biblical Flood: Adam, 930; Seth, 912; Enos, 905;
    Kenan, 910; Mahaleel, 895; Jared, 962; Enoch, 365; Methusaleh,969;
    Lamech, 777; and Noah, 950. If we exclude Enoch (who was said to have
    been taken up to heaven in his own body), these persons lived an average
    of 912 years.[5]

    After the Flood, however, the following ages were recorded: Shem, 600;
    Arphachshad, 438; Selah, 433; Eber, 464; Peleg, 239; Reu, 239; Serug,
    230; Nahor, 148; Terah, 205; Abraham, 175; Issac, 180; Job, 210; Jacob,
    147; Levi, 137; Kohath, 133; Amaram, 137; Moses, 120; and Joshua, 110.
    These ages show a gradual decline to about 100 years, similar to what
    must have happened after the beginning of Kali-yuga, according to the
    Vedic system.

    Here we should mention in passing that the Biblical Flood is
    traditionally said to have taken place in the second or third millenium
    B.C., and the traditional date in India for the beginning of Kali-yuga
    is February 18, 3102 B.C. This very date is cited as the time of the
    Flood in various Persian, Islamic, and European writings from the sixth
    to the fourteenth centuries A.D.[6] How did the middle-eastern Flood
    come to be associated with the start of Kali-yuga? The only comment we
    can make is that this story shows how little we really know about the

    In support of the Biblical story of very long human life-spans in
    ancient times, the Roman historian Flavius Josephus cited many
    historical works that were available in his time:

    Now when Noah had lived 350 years after the Flood, and all that
    time happily, he died, having the number of 950 years, but let
    no one, upon comparing the lives of the ancients with our
    lives...make the shortness of our lives at present an argument
    that neither did they attain so long a duration of life....

    Now I have for witnesses to what I have said all those that have
    written Antiquities, both among the Greeks and barbarians, for
    even Manetho, who wrote the Egyptian history, and Berosus, who
    collected the Chaldean monuments, and Mochus, and Hestiaeus, and
    beside these, Hiernonymous the Egyptian, and those who composed
    the Phoenician history, agree with what I here say: Hesiod also,
    and Hecataeus, Hellanicaus, and Acuzilaus, and besides Ephorus
    and Nicolaus relate that the ancients lived a thousand years:
    but as to these matters, let everyone look upon them as he sees

    Unfortunately, practically none of the works referred to by Josephus are
    still existing, and this again shows how little we know of the past. But
    in existing Norse sagas it is said that people in ancient times lived
    for many centuries. In addition, the Norse sagas describe a progression
    of ages, including an age of peace, an age when different social orders
    were introduced, an age of increasing violence, and a degraded
    "knife-age and axe-age with cloven shields."[8] The latter is followed
    by a period of annihilation, called Ragnarok, after which the world is
    restored to goodness.

    The Norse Ragnarok involves the destruction of the earth and the abodes
    of the Norse demigods (called Asgard), and thus it corresponds in Vedic
    chronology to the annihilation of the three worlds that follows 1,000
    yuga cycles, or one day of Brahma. It is said that during Ragnarok the
    world is destroyed with flames by a being called Surt, who lives beneath
    the lower world (appropriately called Hel) and was involved in the
    world's creation. By comparison, the Srimad Bhagavatam (3.11.30) states
    that at the end of Brahma's day, "the devastation takes place due to the
    fire emanating from the mouth of Sankarsana." Sankarsana is a plenary
    expansion of Krsna who is "seated at the bottom of the universe" (Srimad
    Bhagavatam 3.8.3), beneath the lower planetary systems.

    There are many similarities between the Norse and Vedic cosmologies, but
    there are also great differences. One key difference is that in the
    Srimad Bhagavatam, all beings and phenomena within the universe are
    clearly understood as part of the divine plan of Krsna, the Supreme
    Personality of Godhead. In contrast, in the Norse mythology God is
    conspicuously absent, and the origin and purpose of the major players in
    the cosmic drama are very obscure. Surt, in particular, is a "fire
    giant" whose origins and motives are unclear even to experts in the
    Norse literature.[9]

    One might ask, If Vedic themes appear in many different societies, how
    can one conclude that they derive from an ancient Vedic civilization?
    Perhaps they were created in many places independently, or perhaps they
    descend from an unknown culture that is also ancestral to what we call
    Vedic culture. Thus parallels between the accounts of Surt and
    Sankarsana may be coincidental, or perhaps the Vedic account derives
    from a story similar to that of Surt.

    Our answer to this question is that available empirical evidence will
    not be sufficient to prove the hypothesis of descent from an ancient
    Vedic culture, for all empirical evidence is imperfect and subject to
    various interpretations. But we can decide whether or not the evidence
    is consistent this hypothesis.

    If there was an ancient Vedic world civilization, we would expect to
    find traces of it in many cultures around the world. We do seem to find
    such traces, and many agree with Vedic accounts in specific details
    (such as the location of Surt's abode or the sacred buffalo's loss of
    one leg per world age). Since this civilization began to lose its
    influence thousands of years ago, at the beginning of Kali-yuga, we
    would expect many of these traces to be fragmentary and overlain by many
    later additions, and this we also see. Thus the available evidence seems
    to be consistent with the hypothesis of a Vedic origin.

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    Post  devakas on Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:50 am

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    Post  devakas on Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:59 am

    Vedic Scripts, wisdom and facts Hindu_10
    Thanks Mudra!!!

    I found the most fascinating readings about Vedas in the Swami Prabhupada books. His mission was pure intention to introduce the Vedic literature to the West. He translated from Sanskrit and wrote many books to tell the wisdom of the scripts in the most original meaning As Is.
    Vedas wisdom in previous yugas was only spoken and passed from generation to generation only by word, as previous yugas humans lived longer, memory was infinite, nothing was forgotten� In the last Kali yuga, that we are now, humans are less capable to understand and remember, live shorter lives. First there was one book Vedas, which had to be compiled later in to four main books for humans to be able to understand.
    It is interesting that most people do not know that "hindu" is not even Sanskrit word, and it is not found in any of the Vedic literature. Some sources say that it was Alexander the Great who first renamed the River Sindhu as the Indus, deleting the beginning "S", which was easier for the Greeks to pronounce. Later Muslim invaders called the Sindhu River the Hindu River and the region "Hindustan". Because the Sanskrit sound of "S" converts to "H" in the Parsee language, the Muslim pronounced the Sindhu as "Hindu". Later British invaders separated muslims and others in the region by naming people as "Hindus". The word "hindu" was adopted in India 1300 years ago and later in the world even originally it had meaning only as the region of the Indian people.
    In ancient Vedic culture the 'religion' or spiritual path was called "sanatana-dharma", eternal soul relation to the Supreme Being, and it is mistakenly associated with "Hinduism" culture today.

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    Post  devakas on Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:08 am

    So nice Eleni, that you found his books interesting. Same here.

    I read "Proof of Vedic Culture's Global Existence" and "The Vedic Prophecies: A New Look Into The Furure" by Stephen Knapp (Sri Nandanandana Dasa).

    "The Vedic texts teach that Supreme Being exists in the spiritual world prior to the material creation and his expansion that descends into the material world to create is called incarnation. From the Lord Vishnu comes unlimited expanse of water called the Causal Ocean which separates spiritual and material worlds. Vishnu then enters a divine sleep - yoga-nidra. In this yoga state, the Lord Vishnu appears to dream and the dream manifests as the creation, maintenance, and annihilation of the cosmic manifestation. Therefore this world is nothing more than the cosmic dream of the Supreme Being.
    The Lord Vishnu creates all the universes by combining the different material elements. These created material shapes - universes all begin to take the form of unintelligent eggs with a shell made up of layers of ego, water, air, fire, surrounded by unmanifest material energy - Causal Ocean. All these are created when he exhales. At the end of creation when He inhales they return to his body. Thus, the cosmic worlds remain alive for the duration of one breath of Vishnu. So the material manifestation continues until the Supreme finally withdraws all of His material energy into Himself.
    After the creation of the universes, Vishnu expands himself into unlimited forms, enters each universe, where is nothing but darkness. From His body an expanse of water is formed that fills almost half of the universe. He again falls into a mystic slumber, when the secondary process of creation is ready to begin, caused by universal desire for activity in the mode of passion. The lotus flower form expands from the Lord and grows to the top of the universe and becomes the topmost heavenly planet of the self born Lord Brahma, the personality of Vedic wisdom and first living entity in the material world. Brahma later engineers the secondary stage of creation. The universe is filled with fourteen levels of planetary systems. From Vishnu comes the unlimited number of expansions. This form of Vishnu becomes the Supersoul within every living entity.
    Then Lord Brahma creates all the various forms of life: demigods, angels, the Siddhas, the ghostly beings, the superhuman beings and all other living entities that inhabit the different planetary systems.
    After the universe has been created, it will continue to exist for one lifetime of Brahma. Lord Brahma lives for one hundred years. One day of Brahma is equivalent to 4,320,000,000 of our years on earth. Brahma's night is equally as long and there are 360 of such days and night in one year of Brahma. Each day of Brahma is divided into one thousand cycles of four jugas, namely Satua-yuga, Treta-yuga, Dvapara- yuga and finally the Kali-yuga, which is the yuga we are presently experiencing. Satya-yuga lasts 1,728,000 our years, Treta-yuga lasts 1,296,000 years, Dvapara-yuga lasts 864,000 years and Kali-yuga lasts 432,000 years, of which 5,000 have now already passed. At the end of Kali-yuga, the age of Satya-yuga starts again and the yugas continue through another cycle. One thousand such cycles consist of one day of Brahma."

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    Post  devakas on Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:20 am

    Four Yugas
    SATYA YUGA - (sometimes also called krta-yuga): the golden age lasts 1,728,000 years. The process of self-realization in this yuga is meditation on Visnu. During this yuga the majority of the population is situated in the mode of goodness and the average life span at the beginning of the yuga is 100,000 years.
    Puranas states that in Satya-yuga there is virtue, wisdom, and religion, with no ignorance or vice. People full of truthfulness, mercy, austerity and charity. The people are also self-satisfied, friendly, peaceful, sober, and tolerant. Their pleasure is found within themselves, not through gratifying their senses in external activities. They know their spiritual identity and live in harmony with God, nature and each other. They see things equally and continually work to attain spiritual perfection. People in Satya-yuga, living in this mode of goodness, could live to be 100,000 years old.
    The Narada Purana (1.41.7-11) describes Satya-yuga that there were no separate [species of demigods and demonic on earth, such as] Devas, Danavas, Gadnharvas, Yakshas, Raskhasas, or serpents. All were as good as Devas. Everyone was born with a highly developed consciousness. There were no greed, inferiority or superiority, no one practiced unrighteousness, had all pleasures and enjoyments, worshiped God Vishnu.
    Bhagavatam (12.3.20) states there is a 25 percent reduction in religion, people begin to lose touch with their spiritual identity, introduction of lying, violence, dissatisfaction and quarrel. In this

    TRETA YUGA - also called the silver age, lasts 1,296,000 years and the process of self realization is the performance of opulent yajnas(sacrifices). The average life span is 10,000 years and the godly qualities decrease one fourth compared to the Satya yuga.

    It is during this age that Varna-asrama-dharma is introduced. Treta-yuga people are devoted to the performance of rituals, not so violent or lusty for sensual pleasure, however, this is the age when they perceive the divisions of social classes as brahmanas(priests), kshatriyas (administrators and warriors), vaishyas (bankers, merchants, farmers) and shudras (common laborers). People of Treta-yuga could live for 10,000 years. Most people were kind and engaged in the worship of Visnu, they were happy, brahmanas mastered the Vedas, had control over their senses, and were averse to accepting charity or gifts.

    DVAPARA YUGA - or the bronze age, lasts 864,000 years and the process of self realization is the worship of the deities within temples. Godly qualities are reduced to 50% by now and the average life expectancy is only 1000 years.
    In Dvapara-yuga there is another 25 percent reduction in religion and spiritual values. People are interested in fame, glory and nobility. They have large families, enjoy life and engage in the study of the vedas. People could live for 1000 years. Some people were happy and others were extremely unhappy, some men were pious while others were in sins. Kings began to greed for wealth. Wars, diseases, slauther, breakdowns in social rules and systems, and passion and hatred grow.
    Finnaly, in Kali-yuga there is a continued decrease in virtue until at the end if will practically dissappear.
    KALI YUGA - the iron age of hypocrisy and quarrel lasts 432,000 years. Lord Krsna appeared in His original, trancendental form right before the beginning of Kali Yuga. The process of self realization is sankirtana, the chanting of the Holy Names of the Lord. God consciousness is reduced to 25% of the population and life expectancy is only 100 years. By now already 5000 years of Kali yuga have passed and it is predicted that by the end of the yuga people will hardly be older than 20 years and their only food will be meat.

    In Padma Purana Kali-yuga is the adobe of sins and materialistic consciousness, everyone is involved in sinful activities. People could live for 100 years.
    They censure the Vedas, spiritual truths and engage in gambling and stealing. Men born in Kali-yuga will be greedy, untruthful, filled with jealousy, pride, anger, addicted to women, sex, animal slaughter and intoxication, guided by passion and ignorance.
    The time period of the four yugas together is called a cycle, which lasts 4,160,000 years. At the end of Kali-yuga, Lord Kalki appears to start a new age of Satya-yuga. Than the pattern of the four ages begins again. When these four yugas repeat a thousand cycles, it is called a kalpa, or a day of Brahma. The same length of time comprises Brahma's night when there is a partial annihilation of the universe. After the end of Brahma's night, the creation of the cosmos begins again and the repetitions of the four yugas go on for another 1000 cycles. Lord Brahma lives for 100 years, and each year consists of 365 of such days and nights. Thus, such a lifetime goes on for 311 trillion and 40 million years by earth standards. And Lord Krishna appears in this world once in every 24 hours of Lord Brahma, or approximately every 8,320,000,000 years.
    Stephen Knapp

    Kali Yuga in details:
    Lord Krisna left right before Kali Yuga started 5000 ago. It is marked with yellow dot in the image.
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    Eleni, I will post some from his text. Hope others will find it interesting also.
    From "The Vedic Prophecies: A New Look Into The Future" by Stephen Knapp Vedas are most sacred and authentic scriptures known to humankind. There are some prophesies put together in the book "The Vedic Prophecies: A New Look Into The Future" by Stephen Knapp.
    The Vedas give predictions that extend throughout all planets and all traditions.
    In this Kali-yuga age Nostradamus proclaimed that in July, 1999 a great King of Terror would come from the sky.
    Edgar Cayce proclaimed that Japan would slide into the Pacific Ocean, earthquakes would destroy California, coastal aread would flood, and New Lands would appear.
    Buddists psychics predicted that Buddhism will last for only 2,500 years. Buddhism has been in existence for 2,500 years.
    It was predicted that Tibetan Buddhism will end some time after the thirteenth Dalai Lama has been dethroned. He has been dethroned.
    The Aztecs and Hopis predict the commin of a New Age within a few years. Islam proclaims it will last until man sets foot on the moon.
    Jeanne Dixon and Ruth Montgomery predicted a world holocaust in 1999, a Pole shift, etc.
    Vedas scriptures, Bhavishya Purana, the oldest scripture on predictions and most reliable in the world, that a great global tribulation and disaster will begin in May 2000 A.D. It is the same Purana that accurately predicted the comming of Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha, etc. Also from the Brahma-vivarta Purana Krishna tells Ganga Devi that there will be a Golden Age of Kali-yuga. It will last for 10,000 years, i.e., 15,000 years into the age of Kali the full force of Kali will manifest. We are considered to be in the first phase of this Golden Age, for Krishna departed 5,000 years ago, when Kali-yuga started. There will be a higher and progressive energy shift, as predicted by the Vedic scriptures, and it is already in progress. In this cycle, the planetary changes as a cleansing process to help bring in the needed progress and new species of humanity, at least while the Golden Age within Kali-yuga continues. In the Kali-yuga preogress, people would become more and more interested in temporary material pelasures and pursuits, and more forgetful of their spiritual idendity, duration of life would be reduced and such materialistic people would be impatient, greedy, lustful, unfortunate and always disturbed. In Kali-yuga the would not produce sufficient food grains, cows would not give as much milk, and fruits and vegetables would be fewer and less nourishing. This would cause lower standards of health, intelligence, memory, duration of life, and moral principles. People would resort to lower and lower methods to survive, squeezing whatever pleasure they could out of their lives. Diseases previously unknown would appear, creating incurable epidemics. Spiritual practices meant for the true advancement of human society would be given up. Gradually spiritual knowledge and the mode of goodness would be lost. This would cause people to become more corrupt, dishonest, and hypocritical.

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    Post  devakas on Thu Apr 15, 2010 4:25 am

    Vedic prophecies that have already happened.

    One of the earliest prophecies that we can easily recognize is the one about Lord Buddha. The Srimad-Bhagavatam, which was spoken 5,000 years ago, predicted the appearance of Lord Buddha who appeared 2500 years later when he was born in 560 B.C. It says:"In the beginning of the Kali-Yuga, the Supreme Being will appear in the province of Gaya as Lord Buddha, the son of Anjana, just for the purpose of deluding those who are always envious of the faithful theists." (Bhag.1.3.24) Similar verses are found in many other Puranas.
    This is in reference to a time when unqualified people used perverted forms of Vedic rituals to unnecessarily slaugther animals. Buddha rejected the Vedic rites and preached nonviolence. Lord Buddha was an incarnation of the Supreme Being who would appear in Gaya, a town in central India. Nevertheless, some historians may point out that
    Buddha, Siddhartha Gautama, was actually born in Lumbini, Nepal, and that his monther was Queen Mahamaya. Therefore, they might feel that this verse is inaccurate. But Siddhartha became the Buddha after he attained spiritual enlightenment
    during his meditation under the Bo tree in Gaya. This means that his spiritual realization was his second and most important birth. Furthermore, Siddhartha's mother, Queen Mahamaya, died several days after Siddhartha's birth, leaving him to be raised by his grandmother, Anjana. So the prediction if the Bhagavatam is accurate.

    In Padma Purana (6.236.5-12) Shiva Explains to his wife, Parvati, that he will incarnate in the age of Kali to proclaim that
    the Buddhist doctrine is a false religion and illusory.
    O goddess, I have conceived this mayavada (impersonalist) doctrine, for the followers of Buddhism had given up the Vedas,
    for deluding people in this age of Kali to mislead them toward atheism by denying the personal form of God.
    The Kurma Purana (1.30.33-34) states:"Shankara will incarnate for the purpose to establishing Vedic rites
    and scriptures to teach his disciples the knowledge of Brahman." The Duddhist philosophy, basically, is that the material creation is the only manifestation of the Absolute Truth, which itself is temporary and brought on by egoistic desires. It asserts that these desires must be eliminated for one to enter back into the void. The Buddhists believe in neither a soul nor a God and, ultimately, that the essence of everyting is the nothingness or void wherein lies nirvana, freedom from all suffering.

    Shankara lived (A.D. 788-820) with purpose to reform and purify religious life by reestablishing the authority of the Vedic scriptures. He traveled throughtout India and Buddhism bowed.

    The prophecy of the most recent incarnation of the Supreme found in Atharva-veda, Sama-veda and a few others, where Kirshna says: "I will descend as a sannyasi, a tall, fair, and saintly brahmana devotee, after four to five thousand years of Kali-yuga have passed. I will always chant the holy names of the Lord...I will appear as the son of Saci and inaugurate the sankirtana (Hare Krishna) movement. There is no doubt about this. He will distibute love of God to everyone He met by chanting the holy names."
    There are many referrences in Upanishads and Puranas describing conversations between Lord Krishna, Brahma and demigods about sannyasa disseminating pure devotional service to the Supreme by spreading spiritual bliss by the chanting of His own holy names of Hari, Krishna, and Rama (Maha-mantra). Lord Vishnu in a conversation with Shiva's wife Parvati he assured her
    that her concern of well being of all conditioned souls, he would appear in the world as Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu in the age of Kali and would keep her promise and spread His mercy in the form of food, prasada and chanting of His holy names to everyone.
    Sri Caitanya appeared in February of 1486. He and his followers established this movement, the chanting of the Hare Krishna mantra in the age of Kali.

    The Bhavishya Purana predictions include the war between the Kauravas and the Pandavas at Kuruksetra, and it occurred around 3140 to 3137 B.C. Thereafter, the age of Kali began in the year 3102 B.C. with the disappearance of Lord Krishna. It explains the Yavanas(Greeks) invasion in India, and later Yavana's descendants (Turkey) would return to India and conquer it (Muslim invasions).
    It states that outcasts and shudras (ordinary laborers) will become kings with no good qualities such as righteousness, truthfulness, or grace.

    Dr. Vedavyas, a research scholar with a doctorate in Sanskrit, discusses some important prophecies from the Purana where prophecy describes the future appearance of Isha putra, the son (putra) of God (Isha)(Jesus Christ), born of a unmarried woman named Kumari (Mary) Garbha Sambhava. He would visit India at the age of thirteen and go to the Himalayan Mountains and do tapas or penance to acquire spiritual maturity under the guidance of siddha-yogis before going back to Palestine to preach to his people. So if Jesus was trained by the sages of India, this would explain why he was able to perform various miracles(siddhas) and why there are so many philosophical similarities between early Christianity and Vedas. The Bhavishya Purana describes how Jesus would visit Varanasi and other Hindu and Buddhist holy places.
    There is also description in verses 17-32 that the grandson of Bikrama Jit, Shalivahana, was teh ruler of the Kushans. It is estimated that he ruled from 39 to 50 A.D. Onece when Shalivahana went to Himalayas he reached the land of the Hun or Ladakh and say a man who was fair and dressed in white and looking very saintly. The powerful King asked who he was. The man replied he was called a son of God, born of a virgin, a teacher of the nonbelievers and was searching for the truth. He came from a foreign country where there was no truth, only unlimited evil. He has appeared as teh Messiah but the terrible demon Ihamasi of the barbarians appeared and he had ended up in her realm. The man explained to the king his religion and said "I am called Isa-Masih (Jesus teh Messiah)."

    The Bhavishya Purana texts states: "An illiterate teacher will appear, Mohammed is his name, and he will give religion to his fifth-class companions."
    Mohammed, born between 570 and 590 A.D. mostly ignored while preached in the area of Mecca, he formed a small sect from the lower classes of people, entered the place of Medina, which is the event known as the begining of the Muslim faith.

    Aside from all of this, the Bhavishya Purana also contains quites relating to various personalities, such as Adam, Noah, Allah, and on up to the rule of Queen Victavati, meaning Queen Victoria. It even describes how the British will build factories in Calcutta.

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    Post  devakas on Thu Apr 15, 2010 4:56 am

    Vishnu incarnations.
    In the future the last (10th) Vishnu incarnation as Kalki on white horse predicted at the very end of Kali Yuga.

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    More about predictions in Kali Yuga found in Vedic scriptures
    At the end of the Dwapar Yuga, when Lord Shri Krishna renounced the world, the Kali Yuga started. When king Yudhishtir realized the advent of the Kali Yuga that is chaos, greed, violence, debauchery and lies, he expressed a desire to go to the forest and do penance. Accordingly, he abdicated the throne and coronated his grandson Parikshit as the king.

    During the Satya Yuga if any one inadvertently committed a wrong deed the entire kingdom had to bear the punishment. During Treta, if any one committed a wrong deed, the people of that town had to bear the punishment. During Dwapar Yuga, if anyone happened to commit a wrong deed, the entire family had to bear the punishment, but in Kali Yuga, he shall only bear the punishment who has committed the wrong deed. I am not concerned about anyone else."
    Unlike the other eras where one had to inevitably bear the punishment for a wrong and bad thoughts, In my era, this shall cease to happen but one shall be bestowed with good fruits who thinks good."
    One could fulfill all ones wishes and desires in the Satya Yuga only after practicing penance for 10,000 years. Similarly in the Treta Yuga and the Dwapar Yuga, one had to collect a lot of money and perform Yagyas and had to engage in charity, penance, vows and worship for a 100 years respectively to fulfil ones desires. Unlike the others, in this era, if one even prays to God for sometime with total faith and devotions and sings the praises of the Lord, he shall fulfill all his desires within no time. He shall be liberated from all his sins and shall consequently attain salvation.

    The influence of Kali Yuga is in four places where he could stay, wine, where a prostitute stays, where there is animal slaughter and where gambling would be allowed. Those people who yearn for higher ideals should not even go near these four things.
    In the Kali Yuga, there is no average life expectancy of humans. Even a child in the womb can die inspite of his mother and father living..
    Humans taking birth in this era will usually be radiant, bad tempered, greedy and untruthful. The personality will be plagued by flaws such as jealousy, ego, anger, pleasure, instinct, desires and greed.There shall be only one pillar of religion in the Kali Yuga. Here the idol of Bhagwan Vishnu has assumed a black colour because of the inherent chaos and delusion. Vedic conduct, religion, Yagya and Karma all cease to exist.
    All types of problems such as ailments, lethargy, anger, mental diseases and hunger, thirst tend to aggravate. Gradually even happiness and comforts of humans become decadent and morbid. In this era Brahmins do the work of a Shudra and the Shudras alike the Vaishyas amass wealth or alike Kshatriyas engage in allied activities and earn their livelihood.
    In Kali Yuga, Brahmins shall renounce self-study, contemplation and shall eat every thing that is prohibited. They will no more be inclined towards penance and on the contrary Shudras shall take interest in recitation of Vedic chants.
    In this way when hypocrisy reaches the zenith, it initiates the final annihilation. Many a king of the inferior category shall reign the earth who shall be sinners, unfaithful and wicked. Kings of places such as Andhra, Shaka, Pulunda, Yavan, Kamboj, Bahrhik and other wealthy Aamir shall become kings. No Brahmin in this age shall earn his daily bread and butter honestly.
    Kshatriyas and Vaishyas shall engage in all duties other than those, which are coveted. All shall become less valiant, they shall be short lived, will lack energy and strength. Humans shall be short in height and shall seldom speak the truth. All the directions will have snakes and animals. Some people shall meaninglessly talk of Brahma. Shudras shall criticize the Brahmins while the Brahmins shall praise and eulogize the Shudras.
    Many a creatures, insects etc. shall take birth in Kali Yuga. All things that ought to have fragrance shall not be that fragrant, and food shall relatively become tasteless. Women shall be short and have many children. Women in this era shall be immoral and licentious by nature. Most people shall be traders of food while Brahmins shall sell the Vedas. Most of the women shall engage in prostitution. In the Kali Yuga, there will be very less milk in the udders of the cow. Seldom will there be fruits and flowers on trees. There will be excessive number of crows in comparison to other birds. Brahmins will engage in killing and shall take donation from kings inspite of lying. Brahmins as a whole shall be imposters and feign to be very pious and pure. They will harass the common people for alms etc.
    Householders shall indulge in robbery because they will be unable to pay up their taxes. They shall disguise in the form of sages, ascetics and earn their livelihood. Even people who are celibates shall give up their purity and engage in intoxication and shall have illicit sex. People will engage in all those material activities that ushers physical energy only. All Ashrams shall be a haven of all imposters and they shall be totally dependent on food from others. During this time, seldom shall it rain and even the yield, production of grain will not be satisfactory. People will be aggressive by nature and consequently unholy and impure. The ones indulging in irreligious and blasphemous acts shall emerge powerful and prosperous. Those who are righteous shall be in penury.
    Just by amassing a little amount of wealth one shall become proud and they despite having wealth shall have an eye on others wealth and property. In Kali Yuga, girls, 8-10 years old shall become pregnant while boys of the age of 10-12 years shall have children. On the sixteenth year itself the hair will turn white. Youth shall become alike old men and old men shall become energetic and youthful. Women will engage in sex with inferior men, servants and animals inspite of having a good husband.
    Religion, truth, thoughts, pity, age, energy, memory all shall get gradually emaciated and drained. People will love only their own children and family and will not hesitate to deceive their own friends, benefactors.Judges of events shall favor the wealthy and the impoverished shall be denied justice. One who constantly blabbers shall be called a saint and one who is in a miserable state will be called an imposter.
    Any lake or reservoir situated far away will be referred as a holy shrine. Growing hair will be an indication of beauty. People will take interest in many religious actions so as to become prosperous and successful. He who subdues the others shall be self-proclaimed king. Subjects to protect their families shall seek refuge in caves and caverns and will lead a miserable life.
    People will be plagued with all types of extreme climatic conditions. Average life expectancy of a human being in Kali Yuga will be approximately 20 to 30 years only.As the delusion will aggravate people will become weak and devoid of radiance, medicines and food will plummet and all the four meaningful life stages (Varnashrams) will be represented by (householder’s duty). By the end of the Kali Yuga, The God shall reincarnate to protect religion and to destroy all evil. Lord Vishnu shall incarnate and shall give refuge to all that are good and righteous.
    When Sun, Moon and Jupiter together enter the Pushya Nakshatra and cancer zodiac at that time by the inspiration of time, a divine and strong child named Vishuyasha Kalki shall take birth in a Brahmin family in a village known as Sambhal.
    He shall be the saviour of one and all and he will possess weapon on the spur of the moment. He shall emancipate this world from all miseries and create happiness. He will put an end to the Kali Yuga and shall create a novel Satya Yuga embellished with truth and beauty. Bhagwan Kalki shall recoronate all the Brahmins as the rulers and will massacre all the outcastes and inferior (barbarians)

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    References about Kalki - last Visnu incarnation in the future
    "Lord Kalki will appear in the home of the most eminent brahmana of Shambhala village, the great soul Vishnuyasha." (Bhag.12.2.18)
    "At the end of Kali-yuga, when there exist no topics on the subject of God, even at the residences of so-called saints and respectable gentlemen of the three higher castes, and when the power of government is transferred to the hands of ministers elected from the lowborn shudra class or those less than them, and when nothing is known of the techniques of sacrifice, even by word, at that time the Lord will appear as the supreme chastiser." (Bhag.2.7.38)
    The Vishnu Purana (Book Four, Chapter 24) also explains that, "When the practices taught in the Vedas and institutes of law have nearly ceased, and the close of the Kali age shall be nigh, a portion of that divine being who exists of His own spiritual nature, and who is the beginning and end, and who comprehends all things, shall descend upon earth. He will be born in the family of Vishnuyasha, an eminent brahmana of Shambhala village, as Kalki, endowed with eight superhuman faculties."
    The Agni Purana (16.7-9) also explains that when the non-Aryans who pose as kings begin devouring men who appear righteous and feed on human beings, Kalki, as the son of Vishnuyasha, and Yajnavalkya as His priest and teacher, will destroy these non-Aryans with His weapons. He will establish moral law in the form of the fourfold varnas, or the suitable organization of society in four classes. After that people will return to the path of righteousness.
    The Padma Purana (6.71.279-282) relates that Lord Kalki will end the age of Kali and will kill all the wicked mlecchas and, thus, destroy the bad condition of the world. He will gather all of the distinguished brahmanas and will propound the highest truth. He will know all the ways of life that have perished and will remove the prolonged hunger of the genuine brahmanas and the pious. He will be the only ruler of the world that cannot be controlled, and will be the banner of victory and adorable to the world.
    Here in these verses we find that Lord Kalki will come as a chastiser or warrior. By this time the planet will be filled with people who will be unable to understand logical conversations. They will be too slow-minded and dull-witted, not capable of being taught much, especially in the way of high philosophy regarding the purpose of life. They will not know what they need to do or how to live. And they certainly will be unable to change their ways. Therefore, Lord Kalki does not come to teach, but simply to chastise, punish, and cleanse the planet.
    Furthermore, we also find the name of the place where Lord Kalki will appear and the name of the family in which He will be born. The family will be qualified brahmanas. This means that a disciplic and family line of spiritually qualified brahmanas will remain on the planet throughout the age of Kali, no matter how bad things get. Though they may be hidden, living in a small village somewhere, it will be this line of bhaktas, spiritual devotees, from which Lord Kalki will appear in the distant future. No one knows where this village of Shambala is located. Some feel that it is yet to manifest, or that it will be a hidden underground community from which Lord Kalki will appear. Source...
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    Vedic Scripts, wisdom and facts
    Dwaraka was the city where Krishna lived before Kali-yuga began on February 20, 3102 B.C.

    Here is an article about discovery of Dwaraka:
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    Post  devakas on Thu Apr 15, 2010 5:17 am

    Can we learn from unconditioned souls?
    Swami Prabhupada introduced Vedic literature (original, written in Sanskrit more than 5000 years ago) to the Western world.
    In their prophesy "there will be every town on earth, where god conscious people will live in peace and will study Vedas
    and its wisdom. It will be golden age again."

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    Decoration for a Dead Body

    Van den Heuvel:
    I work for the International Labor Organization, which is a part of the United Nations family.
    We're concerned with the protection and welfare of all laborers in practically all nations in the world.
    Srila Prabhupada:
    The Vedic literature describes four social classes- intelligent, administrative, mercantile, laborer.
    The laborers act as the legs of the social body, but legs must be guided by a head.
    That "head" of the social body is the intelligent class. The United Nations is taking care of the social body's legs,
    but what are they doing for the brain- the intelligent class?
    Van den Heuvel:
    We want to see that the laborers have their proper share in society's economic rewards.
    Srila Prabhupada:
    But my point was that if you neglect the head of society, then in spite of your attention to the legs,
    things will not go very nicely- because the brain will not be in order.
    Van den Heuvel:
    But this is also an important aspect of society, don't you think? We aim to improve the lot of the workers of the world.
    Srila Prabhupada:
    In America the laborer class is very highly paid, but because they are not directed by a brain,
    by an intelligent class, they simply spend their money on drinking.
    Van den Heuvel:
    The fact that a good thing is abused doesn't make it bad.
    Srila Prabhupada:
    The point is that everyone should be guided by the brain. That is the only way to organize society.
    What is the value in working hard like an XXX, without any intelligence?
    Van den Heuvel: You can't force a man to use his brain.
    Srila Prabhupada:
    Therefore, the United Nations should support a class of ideal intelligent men
    who will act as the brain of society and guide the others so that everyone becomes happy.
    Van den Heuvel:
    I think you'll find that in every society throughout the world there is a priestly class,
    a class of philosophical leaders.
    Srila Prabhupada:
    Priestly class! The Bible says, "Thou shall not kill." But the priests have amended this to suit their own whims.
    The have sanctioned killings by allowing thousands of huge slaughterhouses for killings innocent animals.
    How can such so called priests guide? I have asked so many Christian gentlemen and priests about this: "Your Bible teaches,
    "Thou shall not kill." Why are you violating this commandment?" They give me vague answers.
    They have not even taught the people what is sinful. That means a lack of brains in society.
    Van den Heuvel:
    My organization is not directly concerned with people's brains.
    Srila Prabhupada:
    Your organization may not be directly concerned, but if human society is brainless,
    then no matter what organizations you make, people will never become happy.
    If people are not taught by the intelligent class of society how to discriminate between pious and sinful activities,
    then they are no better than the animals.
    Van den Heuvel:
    Of course, when you speak of the distinction between pious activities and sinful activities..
    Srila Prabhupada:
    They see no such distinction anymore. But in our Krishna consciousness society,
    I instruct my students from the very beginning to avoid sinful activities.
    They must give up completely all meat-eating, gambling, illicit sex, and intoxications.
    And now just compare their character and behavior with anyone else's. Even the Christian priests are surprised.
    They say, "These boys are our boys. How is it that before joining your movement,
    they never came to church but now they are mad after God?" In the streets, people ask,
    "Are you Americans?" You see. Everything can be rectified by proper guidance.
    But if there is no brain in society, you can manufacture so many organizations, but people will go on suffering.
    That is nature's law: If the people are sinful, they have to suffer.
    Van den Heuvel:
    I don't think that you can expect and international organization to indoctrinate people.
    Srila Prabhupada:
    Why not? It should be international- everyone. The United Nations is meant for international activity,
    so our proposal is that the United Nations maintains an international organization
    of first class intelligent men to act as the brains of society. Then people can be happy.
    But if you want to keep the hands and legs working without direction, without a brain, then you will never be successful.
    Van den Heuvel:
    I think of myself as a servant of mankind, with a view toward helping people to understand one another
    and the world a little better.
    I'm trying now to organize workers' education programs.
    Srila Prabhupada:
    Please try to understand. I'm stressing on the point of society's brain. If there is no ideal class of men,
    if the brain is not in order, then any amount of education or organization you do will by unsuccessful.
    The United Nations is an organization for all human society,
    but they have no department which can actually be called the brain organization.
    Van den Heuvel:
    That's true.
    Srila Prabhupada:
    That is my point.
    Van den Heuvel:
    We are only servants of the leaders of our member states.
    If Mr. President and all the other heads of state don�t have brains,
    then I'm afraid the United Nations can't do anything to give them brains.
    Srila Prabhupada:
    Then your big organization is just decoration for a dead body.
    A body with no brain is a dead body. You may decorate a dead body to your full satisfaction,
    but what is the use? Without a brain-class of men in society to instruct the others what is right
    and what is wrong, then the social body is headless. And whatever work you do will simply be useless decoration for a dead body.

    (The conversation between Swami Prabhupada and Raymonde van den Heuvel,
    of the International Labor Organization, took place in Geneva summer of 1974)

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    Post  devakas on Thu Apr 15, 2010 5:23 am

    Dream Life and Reality


    In your books you say this world is like a dream.
    Srila Prabhupada:
    Yes. It is a dream.
    How is it a dream?
    Srila Prabhupada:
    For example, last night you had some dream, but now it has no value. It is gone. And again, tonight when you sleep you'll dream and forget all these things. You won't remember, when you are dreaming tonight, "I've got my house; I've got my wife." You'll forget it all. So, all of this is a dream.
    Is it true, or is it not true?
    Srila Prabhupada:
    How could it be true? At night you forget it. Do you remember when you sleep that you've got your wife and you're sleeping on a bed? When you have gone some three thousand miles away and seen something totally different in your dream, do you remember that you've got a place to reside in?
    Srila Prabhupada:
    So this is a dream. Tonight, what you are seeing now will become only a dream, just as what you saw last night-now you know it was only a dream. So, both are dreams. You are simply a visitor, that's all. You are seeing this dream and that dream. You, the spirit soul, are factual. But your material body and the material surroundings you are seeing- this is a dream.
    But I have the impression that this experience is true and my dream is not true. What is the difference?
    Srila Prabhupada:
    No. This experience is all untrue! How could it be true? If it were true, how could you forget it at night? How could you forget it, if it were true? At night do you remember all this?
    No. I don't remember.
    Srila Prabhupada:
    Then how could it be true? Just as you don't remember the dream you saw last night and so you call it a "dream", similarly this experience- because you forget it at night- this is also a dream
    But I have the impression-
    Srila Prabhupada:
    This is a daydream; that is a night dream. That's all. When you dream at night, then you perceive that as being real. It is a dream, but you are crying, "There is a tiger! Tiger! Tiger!" Where is the tiger? But you are seeing it as fact- a tiger. "I'm being killed by a tiger." But where is the tiger? Or you dream you are embracing some beautiful girl. Where is that beautiful girl? But actually it is happening.
    It is happening?
    Srila Prabhupada:
    In one sense it is happening, because there is discharge of semen. Nocturnal emission. But where is that girl? Is it not a dream? But similarly, this so-called real-life experience is also a dream. You are getting the impression of factuality, but it is a dream. Therefore it is called maya-sukhaya, illusory happiness. Your nighttime happiness and your daytime happiness are the same thing. At night you are dreaming you are embracing a nice beautiful girl, and there is no such thing. Similarly, in the daytime also, whatever "advancement" you are making- this is also like that. Illusion you are dreaming, "This process will make me happy" or "That process will make me happy", but the whole process is only a dream. You are taking this daydream as reality because the duration is long. At night when you dream, the duration is just half an hour. But this daydream lasts for twelve hours or more. That is difference. This is a twelve-hour dream, and that is half-hour dream- but actually both of them are dreams. Because one is a twelve-hour dream, you are accepting it as real. That is called illusion.
    Srila Prabhupada:
    Yes. You are making a distinction between an animal and yourself, but you are forgetting that just as the animal will die, you will also die. So where is your advancement? Will you remain forever? You will also die. So where is your advancement over an animal? That is stated in the Vedic literatures: Ahara-nidrabhaya-maithunam ca smanam etat pasubhir naranam: this business-eating, sleeping, sex, and defending- this is also the animal's business, and you are doing the same. So how are you distinct from an animal? You will die; the animal will die. But if you say, "I will die after one hundred years, and this ant will die after one hour", that does not mean that you are in reality. It is a question of time.
    Or take this huge universe- it will all be destroyed. As your body will be destroyed, this universe will also be destroyed. Annihilation. Dissollution. Nature's way- the whole thing will be dissolved. Therefor, it is a dream. It is a long- duration dream, that's all. Nothing else. But the advantage of having this human body is that in this dream you can realize the reality-God. That is the advantage. So if you don't take advantage of this dream, then you are missing everything.
    So I'm half-asleep?
    Srila Prabhupada:
    Yes. This is the situation. Therefore, the Vedic literature says, uttistha: "Get up! Get up! Get up!" Hagrata:"Become awakened!" Prapya varan nibodhata: Now you've got the opportunity, use it. (Tamasi ma jyotir gama:) "Don't stay in darkness, come to the light. " There are Vedic injunctions. And we are teaching the same thing. "Reality is here-God. Don't remain in this dark place. Come to this higher consciousness."

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    Post  devakas on Thu Apr 15, 2010 5:28 am

    The Chariot of the Mind


    Todays scientists and philosophers and psychologists say the only authority they can accept is their own mind.
    Srila Prabhupada:
    In Sanskrit they are called mano-dharmi- mental speculators.
    But don't we have to experiment with different mental perspectives if we're going to understand the world?
    Srila Prabhupada:
    Actually, mental speculators have been condemned ( mano-rathnasati dhavato bahih [Srimad-Bhagavatam 5.18.12] ) because they are simply carried away by the chariot of the mind. The mind is flickering, always changing. Scripts say: the mind's business is to accept something and again reject it. All these mental speculators are doing just that. Somebody's putting forward some theory, and after a few years he will himself reject it, or somebody else will reject it. So by mental speculation you will remain on the material, changing platform. You cannot get any lasting idea.
    But the scientists feel strongly about their research. They're convinced they've done some real good for the world.
    Srila Prabhupada:
    They think, "This is bad; this is good." But they do not know that in this material world, saying, "This is bad" and "This is good" is all mental speculation, all a mistake. They do not know that in this material world, "bad" and "good" are the same thing- because both are simply matter.
    How can you say that "bad" and "good" are the same thing?
    Srila Prabhupada:
    For instance, when we are walking on this road, sometimes we say, "This is very good," and sometimes we say, "This is very bad." But the road is the same. So how is it both "good" and "bad"? This is simply speculation. Today we may say, "This road is dry; it is dusty. Bad". Tomorrow we may say, "This road is dry; it is not at all muddy. Good". It is simply mental speculation.
    It's still a bit hard to understand what you're saying.
    Srila Prabhupada:
    The scientists are making great advancement, but death is still there. So we have to ask, "What is the difference whether you make advancement or no advancement? One who has not advanced in science will die, and you so-called advanced people will also die. Then what is the use? " Neither the scientist nor the ordinary person can protect himself from death. Then what is the meaning of "good" "This is good," "This is advancement" or "This is not advancement?"
    But I think the distinction between "good" and "bad" depends on the consciousness of the individual.
    Srila Prabhupada:
    Relativity - the law of relativity: "One man's food is another man's poison." So how can you distinguish whether this is "food" or "poison"? One man will say, "No, it is food!" Another man will say, "It is poison!" So how will you distinguish? You see? This "good" and " bad" is simply mental speculation. Because it is on the material platform, there is nothing good. All that the scientists and philosophers are doing is cheating. They say, "We are advancing/" In what way are you advancing? The problem of birth and death is still there , so what is the meaning of your advancement?
    So we have to get off the chariot of the mind?
    Srila Prabhupada:
    Yes. If you remain on the chariot of the mind, then whatever you accept you'll have to reject again. And that is just what they are doing. The so-called scientists and philosophers are putting forward some theory, and after some time they reject it. So if you remain on the mental platform, then this business of accepting and rejecting will go on. You'll never come to a lasting conclusion. One has to rise to the spiritual platform. That is nityah sasvato yam- eternal, everlasting.
    Are you saying everything in this world is worthless?
    Srila Prabhupada:
    Just try to understand. It can have value and meaning. For instance, you can add thousands of 0's together, one after another, but the value will still be 0. It will never become 1. But by the side of 0, if you bring 1, immediately that becomes 10. Add another 0, immediately you have 100. You have increased it ten times. But that 1 must be there that is ekam brahma, the one Supreme Spirit. Then 0 increases in its value. Similarly, this material world is zero. Bad. But if there is consciousness, then it has value.
    Doesn't the chariot of the mind have any value at all?
    Srila Prabhupada:
    No. It has no value.
    But the whole Western philosophical-
    Srila Prabhupada:
    Mano-rathenasati dhavato bahih: by mental speculation you'll remain in this temporary field. Asat means "that which does not exist." You take anything in this material world- some day it will not exist. Anyone knows it. A skyscraper is constructed, but everyone knows that it will not exist; some day it will fall down. Everyone knows. It will not endure. Therefore Vedas says, for illusory happiness people are making huge, gorgeous arrangements and working day and night. For something that will be zero. It has begun as zero, and it will end as zero; in the middle they are busy. Just see. Therefore they're are vimudhan- fools and rascals.

    (This exchange between Swami Prabhupada and Damodara Swami took place in Los Angeles 1974)

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    Post  devakas on Thu Apr 15, 2010 5:33 am

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    NASA Images Discover Ancient Bridge between India and Sri Lanka

    Space images taken by NASA reveal a mysterious ancient bridge in the Palk Strait between India and Sri Lanka. The recently discovered bridge currently named as Adam's Bridge is made of chain of shoals, c.18 mi (30 km) long.

    The bridge's unique curvature and composition by age reveals that it is man made. The legends as well as Archeological studies reveal that the first signs of human inhabitants in Sri Lanka date back to the a primitive age, about 1,750,000 years ago and the bridge's age is also almost equivalent.

    This information is a crucial aspect for an insight into the mysterious legend called Ramayana, which was supposed to have taken place in treta yuga (more than 1,700,000 years ago).

    In this epic, there is a mentioning about a bridge, which was built between Rameshwaram (India) and Srilankan coast under the supervision of a dynamic and invincible figure called Rama who is supposed to be the incarnation of the supreme.

    This information may not be of much importance to the archeologists who are interested in exploring the origins of man, but it is sure to open the spiritual gates of the people of the world to have come to know an ancient history linked to the Indian mythology.


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    Post  devakas on Thu Apr 15, 2010 5:37 am

    Vedic literature describes flying machines - Vimanas: more than 5000 years ago

    Jalayan - a vehicle designed to operate in air and water. (Rig Veda 6.58.3)
    Kaara- a vehicle that operates on ground and in water. (Rig Veda 9.14.1)
    Tritala- a vehicle consisting of three stories.(Rig Veda 3.14.1)
    Trichakra Ratha - a three-wheeled vehicle designed to operate in the air.(Rig Veda 4.36.1)
    Vaayu Ratha- a gas or wind-powered chariot. (Rig Veda 5.41.6)
    Vidyut Ratha- a vehicle that operates on power.(Rig Veda 3.14.1)

    In the Vedic literature of India, there are many descriptions of flying machines that are generally called Vimanas. India's national epic, The Mahabharata, is a poem of vast length and complexity. According to Russian Dr. Vyacheslav Zaitsev: "the holy Indian Sages, the Ramayana for one, tell of "Two storied celestial chariots with many windows" "They roar like off into the sky until they appear like comets." The Mahabharata and various Sanskrit books describe at length these chariots, "powered by winged was a ship that soared into the air, flying to both the solar and stellar regions."


    Some Puranic accounts of Air-Chariots

    The Arthasastra of Kautilya (c. 3rd century B.C.) mentions amongst various tradesmen and technocrats the Saubhikas as ' pilots conducting vehicles in the sky'. Saubha was the name of the aerial flying city of King Harishchandra and the form 'Saubika' means 'one who flies or knows the art of flying an aerial city.' Kautilya uses another significant word 'Akasa Yodhinah', which has been translated as 'persons who are trained to fight from the sky.' The existence of aerial chariots, in whatever form it might be, was so well-known that it found a place among the royal edicts of the Emperor Asoka which were executed during his reign from 256 B.C. - 237 B. C. The Vaimanika Shastra (Hindi edn) refers to about 97 works and authorities of yore of which at least 20 works deal with the mechanism of aerial Flying Machine, but none of these works is now traceable. The Yuktikalpataru of Bhoja includes a reference to aerial cars in verses 48-50 and a manuscript of the work belonging to the Calcutta Sanskrit College dated at 1870 A.D. We are thus in possession of some manuscript material and from the above it appears that there were Vimanas or aircrafts in ancient India and they followed the route over the western sea i.e. Arabian Sea - Africa - Atlantic ocean - Latin America/Mexico, this being the shortest route. Some ships also might have followed this route, but most of the cargo ships, however, had to follow the longer route over the Pacific ovean via Indonesia - Polynesia - Latin America/Mexico because of the favorable trade winds and the equatorial currents which made the navigation easier.

    The Mahabharata - an ancient Indian epic compiled 3000 years ago - contains a reference to a terrible weapon. Regrettably, in our age of the atomic bomb, the description of this weapon exploding will not appear to be an exaggeration: '....

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    Post  devakas on Thu Apr 15, 2010 5:40 am

    Spaceflight in the Mahabharata?
    The Mahabharata and Ramayana are the national epics of India. They are probably the longest poems in any language. The Mahabharata, attributed to the sage Vyasa, was written down from 540 to 300 B.C. It tells the legends of the Bharatas, one of the Aryan tribal groups. The Mahabharata was written down a long time ago, before the technology which is described in some parts of it, was (re)invented in our time. Even at the time of the complete literal and close English translation, in the years 1886-1890 (by Kisari Mohan Ganguli, published by Pratap Chandra Roy), no aircraft ever flew and the first combustion engine was just invented a few month earlier.

    "[...] After the Lokopalas had gone away, Arjuna -- that slayer of all foes -- began to think,
    O monarch, of the car of Indra! And as Gudakeca gifted with great intelligence was thinking of it, the car endued with great effulgence and guided by Matali, came dividing the clouds and illuminating the firmament and filling the entire welkin with its rattle deep as the roar of mighty masses of clouds. Swords, and miscrias of terrible forms, and maces of frightful description, and winged darts of celestial splendor, and lightnings of the brightest effulgence, and thunderbolts, and Tutagudas furnished with wheels and worked with atmospheric expansion and producing sounds, loud as the roar of great masses of clouds, were on that car. And there were also on that car fierce and huge-bodies Nagas with fiery mouths, and heaps of stones white as the fleecy clouds. And the car was drawn by tenthousand horses of golden hue, endued with the speed of the wind. And furnished with prowess of illusion, the car was drawn with such speed that the eye could hardly mark its progress. And Arjuna saw on that car the flag-staff called Vaijayanta, of blazing effulgence, resembling in hue the emerald or the dark blue lotus, and decked with golden ornaments, and straight as the bamboo. And beholding a charioteer decked in gold seated on that car, the mighty-armed son of Pritha regarded it as belonging to the celestials. [...] Matali the charioteer of Cakra, hearing these words of Arjuna, soon mounted the car and controlled the horses. [...] Arjuna, blazing like the sun itself, ascended the celestial car. And the Kuru prince, gifted with great intelligence, with a glad heart, coursed through the firmament on that celestial car effulgent as the sun and of extraordinary achievements. And after he had become invisible to the mortals of the earth, he behold thousends of cars of extraordinary beauty. And in that region there was no sun or moon or fire to give light, but it blazed in light of its own, generated by virtue and ascetic merit. And those brilliant regions that are seen from the earth in form of stars, like lamps (in the sky) -- so small in consequence of their distance, though very large -- were beheld by the son of Pandu, stationed in their respective places, full of beauty and effulgence and blazing with splendor all their own. [...] 'These, O son of Pritha, are virtous persons, stationed in their respective places. It is these whom thou hast seen, O exalted one, as stars from the earth!'"
    The Mahabharata
    translated by Kisari Mohan Ganguli
    published by Pratap Chandra Roy
    Calcutta 1886-1890

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    Post  devakas on Thu Apr 15, 2010 5:41 am

    My friends told me that George Harrison once was driving from Paris to Portugal and on his way he was chanting HareKrishna all the way. He shared that when you chant the maha mantra, it is wonderful feeling to disattach from the earthly things and his soul was enjoying this very long trip. When you start chanting, you want to do it again and again as the experience is very different and smoothing your soul. He said he felt only joy and happiness while chanting.


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    Post  devakas on Thu Apr 15, 2010 5:52 am

    Vedic Scripts, wisdom and facts Icon_biggrin Somewhere in Kali Yuga...
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    Post  Vidya Moksha on Sat Apr 17, 2010 6:49 am

    this is a wonderful thread, i will enjoy reading it when i have the chance. I will contribute also if I feel I am able to. I studied many hundreds of books during my 5 years in India and had many yoga teachers also. My library I have given away to fellow seekers, my notes in 4 notebooks I carry still, I will see what is contained therein that may be of interest and relevance to this thread,

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    Post  devakas on Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:56 am

    Root of Yoga Meditation - SANTANA DHARMA

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