Clif High finally DID get something right! DECEIVERS would be outed.....

starninja wrote:
Carol,
Oh, we are visited from time to time by those who are angry.........But they don’t stay that long as their energy doesn’t much with us.
It is so sad when people can’t have fun.

Brook wrote:
You called that one right Star

Brook,

Oh, I thought that you were thinking about fun.

QueeQueg wrote: This time I do bid Adieu to those who supported me originally when Linda and his cohort Instigator accused me of being Clif. But it's time to move on and spread my energy where it will produce fruit.

Q

Let me tell you QQ, your energy does produce fruit here.
I, for one, have enjoyed your posts so far.
You add something to this forum that is much appericiated - by me.

TRANCOSO wrote:

QueeQueg wrote: This time I do bid Adieu to those who supported me originally when Linda and his cohort Instigator accused me of being Clif. But it's time to move on and spread my energy where it will produce fruit.

Q

Let me tell you QQ, your energy does produce fruit here.
I, for one, have enjoyed your posts so far.
You add something to this forum that is much appericiated - by me.

I share those sentiments . javascript:emoticonp('')

yeah, me too,and I got me some Moby DICK out of it, but no need to BE one Qq...

This forum is a sometimes challenging learning curve on successful internet interaction for these passionate subjects.

Basically if it descends to insults and name calling you have lost your power and in some cases credibility. It takes time to get used to the high quality interaction we have going on here . I am passionate regarding my areas of knowledge but realized some time ago the passion needs to be managed like a well tended fire.
I'm rather surprised how highly you rate Clif Qq, but your points dont hold my attention if it has to be backed up with slagging someone else off, in this case Linda. It's a pretty dualistic approach for a light worker

but yeah I'd be happy if you stayed.

BTW, I LOVE JohnTrudell Andromeda, so many times I wish there were more you tubes of his music he calledit like it is many years ago.

here is a nice peaceful one but with Annie Humphrey, I posted this before somewhere in the bowells of the Mists, I like his rocking angry ones alot too, but not available at present,

and by the way, the question why some people get it and others don't is really a good one and one not easily answered.
I dont think it's genetics (or blood group) or more members of my family would be switched on. I think it is soul purpose stuff , probably based on experience , though apparently some very experienced or evolved people can be here and require a lifetime of ignorance.
This is why I TRY (and often fail) not to judge.

After a recent and unsatisfactory Facebook experience that (did NOT follow the USEFUL rules of this forum) I was once again pondering the abiilty or will to seek and know truth . Somebody posted this to me . I have known of the veils before but found the concept worth a revisit. It's a little cheesy, wonder if Floyd would like it? just add onions.

Unless Linda has undergone some major surgery lately, I can vouch for the fact she is not a man.

The anger regarding Clif, does no good. Our own anger does us no good. I believe in truth being revealed in all ways about all things. But anger does not get the message across, others only see the anger from the person and misses the message, as the anger comes out clearer than the message.

What good is it to be angry at Clif? There is no reason.

There will be those who will look more closely at things due to their own higher selves urging them to go within and see if the messages from Clif felt right or wrong for themselves. Did his messages keep them in fear or in Light?

But we can not make others see things our way, we can only give the information we feel compelled to, even if it risks lots of anger being directed at you personally.

I understand you trying to get the message across Linda and you started the conversation here and that is a good thing. But the message got clouded when it was through your anger about Clif and the anger you feel about him, as that comes out much stronger than what the message is you are trying to get across. So others have focused on the anger instead of the message.

If someone is on a different path than our own - there is no reason to get angry with them, as we each have our own paths to follow, due to our own Karma etc.

Personally I am sending Love and Light to Clif - as I am grateful for having once been a believer of the webbot technology and Clif.

I am happy that I was at one time? Why?

Because the understandings I have now are much more deep and full of Love. Through my journey of thinking absolute doom and gloom was going to be happening with billions dying off at anytime, as per the predictions for years now, and living in a dark cloud, the Light is so beautiful and the understandings are much clearer than they would have been, had I not gone through that process.

Besides I am blessed for having connected with others and we have helped each other grow and come out of the darkness together.

It is all how we look at things - I don't look at Clif with anger in anyway. I look, see and feel the positive from the journey. I am grateful in all ways for going through the process I have. I send only good energy towards Clif and all those who stand behind him.

Messages without anger can go so much farther and have more understanding to others reading them, it is a shame that the conversation turned to who is angry or not angry compared to what the message ultimately has been about.

Yet, others have to be ready to see what the message is about, if they are not - that is fine, they are on their own paths and there is no use arguing with them. Their path is their own, we can not judge them or their path - it is not for us to do.


I send LOVE to All who have posted here and I am thankful for all of my own steps in understanding!

Excellent video AC, thanks...

This thread was started by Linda in an attempt to trash and defame Clif High, a light being. He (Linda) was relentless in this pursuit until it was apparent to him that he was up against a truth that even an experienced professional liar could not abrogate. He has been banned from other forums because of his specious harping, and I'll personally not tolerate it. Clif while maybe falling victim to his own ego, nonetheless was presenting a truth that he felt compelled expose. And even at the risk of loosing his own credibility, he tried to warn those whose mind has not been consumed by the chemical nirvana that Linda and her ilk offer, about a future that is happening as I write. When it started to become apparent that Clif's beliefs were consummating, and several here pointed out that his assertions about Clif were based on rumor and innuendo he altered course and dropped the attack. Linda is a third rate PTB whore. He'll say anything it takes to distract the enlightened souls here from the real enemy. They promised him physical immortality, riches and all manner of pleasure for this service. But the price is his eternal soul. A sad bargain because we're so much more than a bag of bones. These beings who own Linda will do with him as they have with all others they have spiritually enslaved and consumed throughout the eons, and throw him to the blighted masses once they have had their way.

Linda, you're not even a pimple on Clif High's butt. You're a phony, an antagonist and an agent provocateur. He has more class than I do and wouldn't lower himself to your level and come here and answer your shrill, baseless accusations. On the other hand I never back down from a fight. You stated I was threatening and demeaning. Yes I Am!! I'm a Light being as well and I see right through you.

Que, maybe your higher self is a light being, but that post is just highly rude and obnoxious, please just follow the rules or don't say anything at all. It's complete hypocrisy to say your a light being, and proceed to personally insult someone for a paragraph. Besides, what she said was true, Cliff admitted to posting on GLP, and most of his predictions did not "consummate" in fact over 60%, there is merit in this thread. Linda, it seems like this Que guy knows you from another forum (another Veritas member perhaps?), is holding a grudge against you, and following you around on purpose.

seeker of truth wrote:
The anger regarding Clif, does no good. Our own anger does us no good. I believe in truth being revealed in all ways about all things. But anger does not get the message across, others only see the anger from the person and misses the message, as the anger comes out clearer than the message.

What good is it to be angry at Clif? There is no reason.

There will be those who will look more closely at things due to their own higher selves urging them to go within and see if the messages from Clif felt right or wrong for themselves. Did his messages keep them in fear or in Light?

But we can not make others see things our way, we can only give the information we feel compelled to, even if it risks lots of anger being directed at you personally.

I understand you trying to get the message across Linda and you started the conversation here and that is a good thing. But the message got clouded when it was through your anger about Clif and the anger you feel about him, as that comes out much stronger than what the message is you are trying to get across. So others have focused on the anger instead of the message.

If someone is on a different path than our own - there is no reason to get angry with them, as we each have our own paths to follow, due to our own Karma etc.

Personally I am sending Love and Light to Clif - as I am grateful for having once been a believer of the webbot technology and Clif.

I am happy that I was at one time? Why?

Because the understandings I have now are much more deep and full of Love. Through my journey of thinking absolute doom and gloom was going to be happening with billions dying off at anytime, as per the predictions for years now, and living in a dark cloud, the Light is so beautiful and the understandings are much clearer than they would have been, had I not gone through that process.

Besides I am blessed for having connected with others and we have helped each other grow and come out of the darkness together.

It is all how we look at things - I don't look at Clif with anger in anyway. I look, see and feel the positive from the journey. I am grateful in all ways for going through the process I have. I send only good energy towards Clif and all those who stand behind him.

Messages without anger can go so much farther and have more understanding to others reading them, it is a shame that the conversation turned to who is angry or not angry compared to what the message ultimately has been about.

Yet, others have to be ready to see what the message is about, if they are not - that is fine, they are on their own paths and there is no use arguing with them. Their path is their own, we can not judge them or their path - it is not for us to do.


I send LOVE to All who have posted here and I am thankful for all of my own steps in understanding!

It seems it is difficult to find an enlightening posts on this forum some days.... Wise words about anger bring this thread to an interesting focus point.... Can the message get through? Are those who need to listen hearing....? Or will we be rooted out from within as done so many times before?

But be careful whom you send your love to ... for it can truly be a binding energy attachment to something which is not you.... who are on the way up...to get down...

I was not happy with how Linda did her expose either. However, Cliff and Mel are not members of the forum. I still advocate an attitude of mutual respect even for Mel and Cliff as I believe each is doing what they think is right and not out to deliberately deceive anyone.

So what if they make money for the time they spend to get information out. So does a newspaper reporter and most reserachers. What Mel and Cliff do was/is a labor of love and they don't deserve to be trashed. Each person is of value... each. I think it's about time people understand what I mean by this because the way I see it we are all a part of the whole and if we don't treat each other with respect then we trash ourselves in the process.

And as I am just as guilty as anyone else who has trashed someone I just want to say, I'm sorry for my past behavior as it wasn't some of my more shining moments. (face palm)

burgundia wrote:Excellent video AC, thanks...

thank you , you're welcome. I'd read pretty much the same concept somewhere a long time ago and it resonated , but I forget things and get frustrated with humanity all the same. I just keep on trying to rip the veils off anyway

oh, and that's a nice apology up there Carol I'm not sure what you said that warrants it , but then you haven't offended me.

I actually enjoy these rambling chats, I think it gives a great opportunity to find out a little more about who we are, how we feel, and help each other to maybe move toward more sucessful expression of the shadow. Anybody in the world of research knows it can get pretty dark out and IN t/here.

I'm pretty neutral, it's all information, and I'm not interested in vilifrying Clif OR ANYONE anymore, it ain't healthy .

Lots more shift going on methinks needing awareness and attention...

QueeQueg wrote:You started this rumble when you and Instigator accused me of being Clif. What a crock!! You're afraid of me. Ignore me at your peril.

Let's see, You're a private investigator, a world class ballroom dancer, a medical professional with my guess being in the pschyobabble parasitic tribe due to you're endless patience at promoting your agenda. You realize your initial tack was failing so you recoup and change course while still moving to achieve the same goal.

Baby YOU CIA!!!!

And having the background I do, I can tell you from experience I've never met a Company Man, and I mean the man part literally, who wasn't a waste of sperm!

Q

Oh Q you have such a way with words! I totaly agree Linda is a CIA disinfo agent trying to trash Clif's reputation

I read today an email from Clif at the webbot forum, apparently Igor tests 110 forums for emotional responses and GLP is not one of the top ones

Will love to post that email here but don't have permission from the Admins to do so, no one can it is the rules

So all the lies Linda have spreaded are the product of her lack of information regarding the methodology used by the webbot team in order to understand emotional response in forums and weed out infiltration from their reports.

Clif has been snowed over and has a intermittent internet connection in this moment but no doubt he will come with some of press release in his site when he is ready

Clif has posted a new article in Halfpasthuman which is very deep, interesting and worth reading http://www.halfpasthuman.com/horrors.html

I read with interest Q first posts. But then his energy has changed as he has begun attacking Linda. When more members questioned his behavior, he intensified his attacks. At this point I lost my interest to know what he thought. I wonder if somebody can’t have a discussion and prove his points without attacking others how thorough he is in terms of his research. In fact, if he thinks that attacking others is good enough argument to convince that he is right, well, he can’t be more wrong. I love a discussion that gives me food for thought. If Q thinks that he is a light being, I am an opera singer. Please, don’t ask me to sing.

He said he was COINTELPRO. Hey perhaps he was!

COINTELPRO (an acronym for Counter Intelligence Program) was a series of covert, and often illegal, projects conducted by the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) aimed at surveilling, infiltrating, discrediting, and disrupting domestic political organizations.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

anomalous cowherd wrote:not everyone agrees with you Linda and personally I like a little deviation on a thread , or elsewhere for that matter.
cheers

Not true. Only one person emailed her and that was the blogger SherrieQuestioningAll. Clif only asked Phen for a troll to host him in his email to her. That is all that took place.

If I look at this in my own simple way should'nt we all rejoice in the fact that most of Cliff's predictions did'nt come through ? Can we blame him for that ?
The fate he forecasted for humanity was rather gloomy afterall . The way the webbot is designed gives us maybe's . He is'nt the only one on this planet that comes with those. Read politicians , conspirationists , scientists , environmentalists ... Their words are full of worries of what may happen, will happen , has happened , would happen , might happen....
The truth is that the moment we take direction from outside ourselves it's like leaning on walls made of thin paper while standing of a wobbling ground.
Is this how we will create a better world ? Don't we know from within that we are the creators and are manifesting our reality ? That we are our own compass .
The only place of balance I know is the Heart . For the Heart sees what the mind can't see . Heart knows no fear . Heart has no past nor any future . Heart is Now always . Heart is You in all your magnificence of Being .Heart is the source of inspiration . Heart is soul's freedom manifesting Love and harmony . Heart is our foundation. Without is our playing ground . The playing ground when it's alienated from the awareness of Heart breeds an hypnotic battle field. The playing ground nourished by Heart's consciousness becomes a joyfull place .
As a matter of fact we may well be so many now having come to realize this that we are gradually altering the course of events .

Love from me
mudra

[quote="Andromeda"]

Linda wrote:

Andromeda wrote:

Linda wrote:
I will continue to share information about what others are saying about Clif's behavior and motives .
Let them connect the dots on their own.


btw, I use to be a private investigator and undercover agent in the old days..Los Angeles and Hollywood....know all about how deceivers operate.......guess that part of me will never go away.

and how come you are just passing on gossip from the GLP, who is paying you now?

perhaps you should be investigating what is FOUNDATION X?
I've said my piece to you.


Who is paying me?
Your tactics don't work on me.
I decide what I investigate, what I share, when and where....... just like you have the right to..

Linda I think your are wasting everybodies time, sorry, it does not hold for me. I can see you are upset with MEL, but I don't see anything of value in your disertations against the webbots, too many holes, too little info

Also GLP interview of Collen has nothing to do with Clif....so? What is your intention with that? Don't get me wrong...Collen does not sound herself, maybe she is possesed or channeling? the line is very bad, who knows...in any case the interview was posted on the 22nd but it does not say when it was recorded...she was a very active poster in youtube and with Mz Muggzi

Andumbeda why don't you just shut up? You do not know it all, you sound like Cliff Clavin from Cheers. The one who blah, blah blah blah'd on and everyone just wanted slap his mother.

The Colleen Thomas show was recorded LIVE on GLP Nov 22nd at 11pm. Over 300 people were in the chat. Just because YOU weren't there, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I've sat here listening to your drivel. You HAVE been a member at GLP and you were banned during banarama 09. Then you slithered over to AE then FLOP. Now you're over here doing the same thing running that know-it-all mouth of yours.

Get over yourself toots. You're not "all that".
Hostory does repeat itself. You are the proof.

Mizzrrible...came to the thread to troll?

mudra wrote:If I look at this in my own simple way should'nt we all rejoice in the fact that most of Cliff's predictions did'nt come through ? Can we blame him for that ?
The fate he forecasted for humanity was rather gloomy afterall . The way the webbot is designed gives us maybe's . He is'nt the only one on this planet that comes with those. Read politicians , conspirationists , scientists , environmentalists ... Their words are full of worries of what may happen, will happen , has happened , would happen , might happen....
The truth is that the moment we take direction from outside ourselves it's like leaning on walls made of thin paper while standing of a wobbling ground.
Is this how we will create a better world ? Don't we know from within that we are the creators and are manifesting our reality ? That we are our own compass .
The only place of balance I know is the Heart . For the Heart sees what the mind can't see . Heart knows no fear . Heart has no past nor any future . Heart is Now always . Heart is You in all your magnificence of Being .Heart is the source of inspiration . Heart is soul's freedom manifesting Love and harmony . Heart is our foundation. Without is our playing ground . The playing ground when it's alienated from the awareness of Heart breeds an hypnotic battle field. The playing ground nourished by Heart's consciousness becomes a joyfull place .
As a matter of fact we may well be so many now having come to realize this that we are gradually altering the course of events .

Love from me
mudra

" As a matter of fact we may well be so many now having come to realize this that we are gradually altering the course of events ."

Exactly , we hear so often that we " create " our own future . That's exactly what makes predicting the future so difficult .
I thought that a lot of hot air was produced , in this thread by people that have no clue about Cliff's work .

Mizzrible wrote:

anomalous cowherd wrote:not everyone agrees with you Linda and personally I like a little deviation on a thread , or elsewhere for that matter.
cheers

Not true. Only one person emailed her and that was the blogger SherrieQuestioningAll. Clif only asked Phen for a troll to host him in his email to her. That is all that took place.

Mizzderisible isn't even a coherent troll, it doesn't take a genius to see the above makes no sense whatsover.... clonegonewrong? give me Queerqueg anyday

[quote="Mizzrible"]

Andromeda wrote:

Linda wrote:

Andromeda wrote:

Linda wrote:
I will continue to share information about what others are saying about Clif's behavior and motives .
Let them connect the dots on their own.


btw, I use to be a private investigator and undercover agent in the old days..Los Angeles and Hollywood....know all about how deceivers operate.......guess that part of me will never go away.

and how come you are just passing on gossip from the GLP, who is paying you now?

perhaps you should be investigating what is FOUNDATION X?
I've said my piece to you.


Who is paying me?
Your tactics don't work on me.
I decide what I investigate, what I share, when and where....... just like you have the right to..

Linda I think your are wasting everybodies time, sorry, it does not hold for me. I can see you are upset with MEL, but I don't see anything of value in your disertations against the webbots, too many holes, too little info

Also GLP interview of Collen has nothing to do with Clif....so? What is your intention with that? Don't get me wrong...Collen does not sound herself, maybe she is possesed or channeling? the line is very bad, who knows...in any case the interview was posted on the 22nd but it does not say when it was recorded...she was a very active poster in youtube and with Mz Muggzi

Andumbeda why don't you just shut up? You do not know it all, you sound like Cliff Clavin from Cheers. The one who blah, blah blah blah'd on and everyone just wanted slap his mother.

The Colleen Thomas show was recorded LIVE on GLP Nov 22nd at 11pm. Over 300 people were in the chat. Just because YOU weren't there, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I've sat here listening to your drivel. You HAVE been a member at GLP and you were banned during banarama 09. Then you slithered over to AE then FLOP. Now you're over here doing the same thing running that know-it-all mouth of yours.

Get over yourself toots. You're not "all that".
Hostory does repeat itself. You are the proof.

Specially for Clif haters and those that hate me too

Burgundia wrote:
Mizzrrible...came to the thread to troll?

Oh, they love us, don't they?