Clif High finally DID get something right! DECEIVERS would be outed.....

starninja wrote:
We may focus on one person or two and miss the beat what is going on in the front of our eyes. I agree that Russia answer to the same master. It will be interesting to watch how it will unfold and I have feelings that we are very close to the final push of the Agenda.

anomalous cowherd wrote:oh my I am really going to miss stuff like this when the FCC kills the internet, oh wait we will probably only be able to see stuff like the above. oh well, may as well embrace the spangles,

http://biggovernment.com/smotley/2010/11/23/its-official-the-fcc-will-vote-to-take-over-the-internet-in-december/

starninja wrote: YES. We need distraction.
Party time.

QueeQueg wrote:Herr Goebbels is having an orgasm in his grave. Or is he really dead?

Q

TRANCOSO wrote:

QueeQueg wrote:Herr Goebbels is having an orgasm in his grave. Or is he really dead?

Q

Read 'Nazi International - The Nazi's Postwar plan to control Finance, Conflict, Physics & Space', by Josheph P. Farrell.

You can only come to one conclusion.
One word...
Starts with an 'N' & ends on 'o'.

QueeQueg wrote:

TRANCOSO wrote:

QueeQueg wrote:Herr Goebbels is having an orgasm in his grave. Or is he really dead?

Q

Read 'Nazi International - The Nazi's Postwar plan to control Finance, Conflict, Physics & Space', by Josheph P. Farrell.

You can only come to one conclusion.
One word...
Starts with an 'N' & ends on 'o'.

You should read about "Operation Paperclip"

They were never eliminated. They were just first created then co-opted.

The Aryan / Martian group is one of the factors competing in this contest.

Oh what a tangled web it is. And we here had nothing to do with the weaving of it. But we are going to be some the ones who survive it and become the teachers of those are who lost in the confusion once it culminates.

Q

investigator wrote:Hmm looks like you were right Andromeda I don't see Colleen interviewed with Cliff anywhere, probably they are going to cancel any future plans if they read this thread too heh heh. It looks like people misunderstood that admins suggestion, and re-posted it as this on the David Icke Forum http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=143917


On another note I found this video of her on the Russia Times. I can't believe they actually put Colleen Thomas on a serious news show, wtf Russia Times who really owns you.


Although, Coleen Thomas does claim to be blogging on the Veritas Forum though here:
http://www.wildcolleen.com/work

QueeQueg wrote:Just ordered the book Trancoso. I've got to have it. It jives with my understanding of what the forces behind Hitler and the Ayran movement represented. Who was behind it and what it represents as far as the present situation is concerned.

Q

Linda wrote:For the new people to help make up their own minds:

snips:

I wonder if Clif's (aka baldrishi) friend Mel Fabregas will now ban anyone from Veritas if they speak too much about this truth.

His past record shows that he will.
Veritas is the latin word for TRUTH.

So far that forum has not lived up to it's name. Members have been banned for busting and questioning "whistle-blowers" such as dr. Judy Woods, Barry King (aka, spirit wolf, the voice,the watcher ) Dr. David Jacobs, John Perkins (Economic Hitman), 'Wiley' Colleen Thomas and so on.


To question the veracity of all so-called whistle-blowers is the duty of discerning truth seekers.

The same goes for Channelers and the 'New Age' movement which was instigated by the likes of Alice Bailey (Theosophist and luciferian).

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Of course Mel will try to stop those who speak out against his buddy.

Many of us who have been around a LONG time can recognize scams or deceivers when we see them.
We tried to warn others by providing FACTS but were dismissed or simply BANNED from forums.

Yes, Mel at Veritas claims he is the TRUTH, but he has a heavy hand on banning and then denies it.
There are stories on the net proving this.

Recently he banned someone for simply asking about the layout of his site that was practically a mirror image of the Red Ice site!

Here we have someone who came out of nowhere to be one of the leading internet interviewers to let all the WELL KNOWN 'experts' speak.

From the very beginning, he presented all of Clif's work as the TRUTH and treated him as if he belonged high on a pedestal.
He was a 'yes sir' kind of guy to Clif and it showed.

Since so many people respected and trusted Mel (because he looks so innocent and caring), they also worshipped Clif and heaven forbid if someone questioned Clif or his motives.

Then we have 'wild colleen' show up at Veritas forum claiming to be in touch with an alien race who wants to blow the whistle on the evil Draconians and reptilians who want to enslave us.

SUDDENLY, she is everywhere. EVEN on TV promoting THE LIE.

She claims she is part of Jesus's bloodline, yet she sells her nude pictures and videos?

That is what these people do....they MIX and DISTORT the truth...they play both sides in a PERVERTED way.

We have to understand how deception is done. It takes a group of people committed to play out their roles for the hidden controllers.

For doing so, they are rewarded by money, fame and power.
They select these people who are confident, masters of language and who are easily programmed due to their GENETICS.

These con men/women appear to be like one of us in truth seeking and in physical form.

Once these people gather a following, they become more disconnected to their soul and the power overtakes them.

They have no problem insulting people, lying about those who question them, cussing or casting them out from their space when they get too close to the TRUTH.

First we have to understand what they are trying to achieve for their masters.


The GREAT WORK is their manual.
Confusion is their tool.
Lucifer is their god.

What do these promoted people who have a platform and who ASK FOR MONEY have in common?


They insist that there is no God (or that God likes perverted sex) and that it's all about 'Consciousness' and that we are Gods.

Clif has been known to take every opportunity to insult God and he has certainly helped take many people AWAY from God.

That is the agenda.

I am not religious, never belonged to a church or ever read the Bible. BUT, I have done my homework in every other area about the HISTORY of this planet and WHO controls it.

These snake oil salesmen are part of the GREAT WORK. They want us to 'look over here' and not pay attention to what is really going on by those who are luciferians.

The RA crowd...the ones who work in darkness.

These people were placed to continue the LIE....they are on the same team. They MAY think that they are trying to do good, but they are deceived, MIND CONTROLLED and PRGOGRAMMED.

We need to understand hidden mind control technology and about evil ancient agendas.

Now, lets see...

Collen blogs at Veritas,
Clif is worshipped over there,
Mel does a FREE 3 hour inteview with Clif,
next Clif and Colleen are set up to do an interivew TOGETHER on a site with a huge following.

http://www.in5dtv.com/

That site PROMOTES Colleen's sex videos,
Clif's phoney work
and another person with the name of iamaphoney
(I AM A PHONEY) who is from the United Kingdom.

This IAMAPHONEY person released something called the ARE3RA Trilogy leading up to TheRevelAtion2012.

Those who are into NUMBERS AND WORDS will see more than others.,

ARE3RA = ARE 3 RA (RA- THE SUN GOD)
3- their number
-TRILOGY (3)
- TheRevelAtion2012 = The RA (in captials)

I AM A PHONEY did a full-length documentary called TheWingedBeatle.
Winged = lucifer
Beatle = EGYPTIAN

Here is more info on I AM A PHONEY:

TheWingedBeatle PlayTracks
November 13, 2010
South Africa
Price: $9.99
Beetle with an A
- Magic with a K

South Africa?
= 9.99 is 666 upside down
= BEETLE is EGYPTIAN worship
= MAGIC + K is black magic = MAGICK

EDIT:
The 'K' is added because it's the 11th letter of the alphabet. Crowley stated that 11 was one of the 'sacred' numbers.
BTW., South Africa has 11 letters in it.


These are all Aliester Crowley teachings.......THE GREAT WORK.

Interesting that this person on this site not only promotes CLIF,
COLLEEN,
I AM A PHONEY, but also offers
FREE 'meditation' music and
FREE Hypnosis products.


Hello!
Mind control anyone??

Recent Artists

iamaphoney
Colleen Thomas
in5d Meditation Music
Colleen Thomas
Webbot Interviews
Free Hypnosis mp3's

I had never heard of this site that promotes these PHONEYS, but we can't forget that he was the one who scheduled THE INTERVIEW with CLIF and COLLEEN for this week.....

...of course Clif now claims he had to postpone due to 'weather' related internet 'problems'......

Will Clif be back or will he try to disappear? That is the million dollar question.
And where is Colleen?
Did they really fail or was it just ANOTHER distraction?

If we LOOK at who is connected to who....we will start to see a pattern and what they all have in common...ALWAYS LOOK AT NUMBERS AND WORDS.....if we do that, we will start to see MORE of them FAIL.....

If they say white.....look at black.......be one step ahead of the GAME.

More dots connected for those with eyes TO SEE.

Clif was doing the work at least since 2005....the others came in later.

What is their next move?

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Brilliant post. Probably the best I've read since coming to GLP. Notice an AC posted it.

I agree with you 100% as well about the attacks on God.

I, like you, am not religious in any sense, but when you see what the enemy believes, and that they are constantly trying to void any belief in a supreme creator you have to wonder what the motive is there.

They are the ones in power, and that is what they believe, so you have to consider all possibilities.Thanks for the great post, AC.



You're welcome AC.
Educating ourselves about what the enemy believes in and the rituals they do to achieve their goals is important to understand in order to EXPOSE these types.

The way they mock people who believe in God and trash our creator the way Clif is ALWAYS doing should tell us what he is all about.

The more we share what we know about these people and their behavior, the faster we will be able to help others THINK for themselves instead of blindly believing their false information.


I know it's painful to admit that we've been betrayed, but the sooner we deal with it, the easier it will be to spot the NEXT deceiver and then EXPOSE them.

These people are into numbers, words, the MOON, and TECHNOGLY to control the masses.I believe they are mind controlling innocent people and inserting thoughts into their brains for sinister purposes.

We have to be on high alert at all times.

I am adding THE DREAM COLLECTING post I did.
That is a BIG DEAL and we have to ask ourselves WHY they created the site.


Another OP said that after he read one of Clif's reports, he had horrible feelings of fear and negative thoughts for days.

How many others had the same reaction? I am sure there were many.

I think the dream site was to keep track of their mind control projects.

Clif provided the doom, posted here and even admitted he was doing experiments on this forum.

These types have the nerve to TELL us what they are doing right to our faces.

We need to connect the dots and try to warn others to beware of smooth talkers who have no respect, love or compassion for us.
Peace.

***We don't need disclosure...we need EXPOSURE!!!

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Sorry for this long post, but THIS ALSO BEARS REPEATING.........
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Will be interesting to see how George Ure reacts now.

Either he chooses to ignore how fraudulent Clif High is, and then drowns on the sinking ship together with him, or soon we'll see a post on Urbansurvival about how he got duped for years by a psychopath with Internet marketing skills.
Oh the drama and the comedy...

It's been a few days now and nothing from George.

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Not only George....but....what about the OTHERS?

I want to know WHY Jeff Rense, Steve Quayle, Veritas, and all the REST are still silent.

WHY is this TRUTH with FACTS about Clif NOT in their NEWS section?

Can anybody find out what they are saying about this HUGE story?

We KNOW they are aware and are following this thread and other forums discussing the FACTS about their boy, Clif the deceiver who was outed.

If they choose to IGNORE or try to whitewash this GIANT scandal.....well, that should tell us something about THEM and their role.

Do they ALSO provide DOOM and SELL end of the world products, books, DVD'S and promote the Clif deceiver on their sites?

THINK ABOUT IT.

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you hit the nail right on the head........ they are all connected and not one of them are there for you and I...... unfortunately, as soon as a high profile blog site goes viral, say .... like glp, it gets bought out by those who will sell out to the highest bidder .......... information is valuable as is the glp effect....... need i say any more?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1167827

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Another thing....

I just came across this link from George Ure's site and I got chills.

Can someone please tell me WHY George and Clif want to collect our DREAMS??

Are they 'using' those who are naturally psychic, Gifted or spiritually awakened for purposes unknown to them or .....?????

I have a very bad feeling about this site George and Clif promote.......what are their motives?

Why collect the data, where does it really go to?
It's a science?

[link to www.nationaldreamcenter.com]
Post Your Dreams - It's Free!
The National Dream Reporting Center

Go to the DreamBase and write down your dream for others - it's absolutely free because we're trying to collect as much data as possible in our publicly searchable database.

We only want those dreams that seem to message something...or are so vivid and out of the ordinary that you wake up remembering them and feel a sense of urgency that they be shared without knowing why, exactly. That's what this site is about -- It's a citizens science project.

So, if you have a vivid dream or one that features something that could be interpreted as foreshadowing the future, please visit the DreamBase to share it with all. No charge.

Sounds far-fetched? Hardly! Just a different kind of science.


EARTH [73]
Terra entity in HalfPastHuman work; quakes, volcanoes, new lands rising or sinking, even mud or landslides go here...

AIR [70]
Dreams above Earth go here: visions of flying, breathing or higher still planets, comets, UFO's and distant worlds...

FIRE [35]
Fire comes from the sky, from space, from fires around oil rigs..all dreams about fires and electricity - its cousin - go here...

WATER [64]
Dreams about Water related dreams fit here - fishes in the sea, boats, underwater adventures -That you, Capt. Nemo?...

AFTER LIFE [18]
Crossed over to the afterlife did you? Quick! Didjah sprout wings or notice heat? Is the news Good, Bad, or So-So?

Money Dreams [18]
Money Money Everywhere - but only in our dreams sometimes. But go ahead - tell us about it - might be nice to hear for a change...

Stocks & Co.'s [4]
Every has a dream about a particular company or a particular stock as an 'event'? No touts, but valid dreams are welcome...

Collapse Crash [80]
Does your dream describe events leading to, during, or after a crash or collapse of society? This is where it goes...

National Dream Center Home
[link to www.nationaldreamcenter.com]


What are these two up to?
Why collect dreams?
For what purpose?


To see if the mind control progarms are working??

Quoting: Anonymous Coward

The dream thing is get inside the subconscious

Excellent. Please continue to unleash this critical thinking.
We are seriously surrounded by these wolves in sheep's clothing who are either deliberate disinfo agents or or just plain sick in the head...or both.

Yup, anyone getting up on the pedestal who isn't dead, and is allowed to continue speaking and making money off of this XXXX, is not to be trusted.



I can't believe all the topics Clif has started, mostly about himself and the webbot, but he hates Project Camelot, big time.

He has started many topics of hate for Camelot, Deagle, Ryan, and others associated with them. I wonder why he hates them so much.

Clif has some serious issues.

These are topics he started from the ID number 581357.......

These are topics he started from ID number 312812......

Topics he replied in using 312812.......

Topics he replied in using 581357.....

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1113183
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1259058/pg20


I want to know WHY Jeff Rense, Steve Quayle, Veritas, and all the REST are still silent.

The smooth talker's will promote each other, giving each other complimentary mentions on their various "programs".
They are taking 'time-out' because a weak link in the chain has been broken.

They are re-grouping and watching the reaction.

Very shortly, if the pressure is kept on with this story, they will start to vilify Clif High. These people turn on each other..., they are dispassionate and have no idea of loyalty. Selfish to the core, whilst they preach "we are all one". Their words are hollow.

They can talk with authority and 'sound' sincere, just like any good salesman.., even though they don't really believe in the product. Whether it be a car, fridge, war, politics, spirituality.., whatever.., it's how you 'pitch' the product. Selfishness and Aleister Crowley's "do what thou wilt" is their motto.

With endorsements from established people such as Rense, Quayle, Noory, Fabregas, et al or any other 'popular' personality, they will ease there way into the public consciousness. Soon, thse people will distance themselves from C. High. ( and Colleen)

They only know 'survival of the fittest, thus lacking love, compassion and empathy, which are very human traits. Their bloodline can't understand this concept!
Ruthlessness in conjunction with mind control is not a normal human trait. It is not of this world!! Difficult as that maybe to take on-board, it is the truth and once you have done the research., it will become apparent.
And I'm not speaking of E,T's here.

This thing about C. High is very important., not because of him, but because it shows how 'they' operate.

Preying on peoples hopes and fears, people that are unsure of the future and who have maybe just 'woken' up.
There have lots of people like him waiting 'in the wings' to take over from him., he's nothing and will soon be discarded.

George Green did a lot of damage with his 'sincere' approach and knowledge in regards to the economy and world events.
He is a smooth talker like the rest of them.., then he became a go-between with the Plaiedians and the message from him was the same as C. High.,gloom, doom and fear. Prepare for the worse.
Then we have planet x, 2012, wars, drugs, promiscuity, cultural and racial division, economic collapse, global warming farce and so on.
High emigration in times of high unemployment with people from other countries working for less wages. DIVISION.

These people are all about instilling fear which in turn lowers peoples natural vibrations. When people feel good, their vibrations are high, they feel good and are more compassionate, loving.

Why are video games and movies becoming more violent if not to desensitise people, thus lowering vibration.
Why has 'vampirism' become more prominent in games and movies?
Why are all the music videos full of sexual content?

The questions therefore are; why would they want to deliberately want to lower peoples vibration.?


If there is no God, then why do these highly intelligent so-called elite, have rituals such as Bohemian Grove to worship lucifer/satan?

We are eternal spirits and these 'elite' know it.
But once the masses or goyim know it.. it takes away the fear that 'they' control them with.

There is no death!
SIMPLE!

Do your homework people and 'out' these bastards and free yourselves.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1100438

Lot of truth here, thanks.

anomalous cowherd wrote:most of us here seem to be old school if that means we are well versed in op paperclip etc.

Linda wrote:Some MORE info for the NEW people to help make up their own minds about Clif and his motives:


Clif posts as baldrishi.



This is the most disturbing one to me:

baldrishi
User ID: 581357
United States
11/25/2009

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message929802/pg2

"Re: What happend to Cliff High?

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i live in tenino washington state. About 20 miles from clif. I was in AF avionic and net tech service group with Igor, who is clif's assistant in the web bots. Igor runs the servers. Igor recently moved over to eastern washington in the far north where he is less than 20 minutes from some huge caves that are at 7288 feet. He did so because of the data. I talked with igor a few days ago.

He comes back one week every 7 for his other job. He and i had a few beers down at the Spar and he says that the XXXX is really coming, and that he has seen the photos that were sent to clif from antarctica. These photos show huge pyramids bigger than anything in egypt and they have sea mud frozen to 2 of their sides. There are also frozen bones and stuff in the mud. The picutres show bones and skulls and stuff sticking out of the mud as they washed it off part of the pyramid near the door way. it really freaked igor out and now he is getting ready for 2012.

igor says that clif will produce one more report but probably will do no nore radio or interviews. Clif is working hard on his small boat that is 26 feet.

But the big deal is that some people with money have come to clif to pay him to supervise building some boats. clif has been a shipwright and boat builder. His first jobs were boat building on east coast then up here. He has built 9 boats that i know of and he has 3 that he keeps around. A kyack and an umiack and now this survival pod. I have seen the new boat which he calls 'half past one' . It is being wrapped with kevlar in the boat resin and is able to be sealed air tight. Really cool survival pod.

igor says no more interviews since clif thinks time is short and he does not like repeating him self for stupid people that don't listen the first time.

clif and igor think that the data shows really really really rough XXXX next year. They are doing things to get ready for the first half of 2010. I have nver seen igor do so much work Even Igor's wife is now working on preps.

Igor also thinks that the dot mils are watching him and clif really hard. He is paranoid anyway, but when we went to dinner at the Spar we were followed by a black ford suv both down there and then back to the hotel where i dropped igor off. The suv stayed there in down town oly and did not follow me home. But id was there waiting for us at the train station out toward yelm. They knew he was coming and were waiting to tail him.

so no more clif on radio.

the fucktards that think clif is making money on this are full of XXXX.

He is broke all the time since he gives away all his money and has for years. He even gave me money last year when i was laid off for half a year. He supports a bunch of his relatives who are out of work and have no chance of new jobs and no more unemployment.

Clif lives in a litte tiny house where he takes care of his wife and their 2 big dogs and all kinds of criters that live on his small land. He works really hard on the reports. I have been trown off his place when i made the mistake of interrupting him and igor once when the data was running.

clif walks his talk like nobody i ever met before. Any body that says different needs to talk with anybody in oly who knows him."




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he has hidden that he posts here under a false nick and speaks about himself in the third person ... whcih is a fraud to boost his business ... like "TPTB too down HPH" ... bullshit !

TPTB hav nothing to do with that ... just a clever marketing trick to make you gullible idiots think "If TPTB are after the webbot than something must be to it ...
i'll buy that next report, who knows, might be the last".

You guys remember about 2 years back when he posted "This is the last ALTA report ... " ... Bullshit, he posted more reports than ever after this announcement which was done only to make you fools think: "Last report, OMG, I better buy that one".

You gullible idiots are worse than the average sheep out there.

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he does this exclusively for money. And I bet HUGE money ... think about it ... 10$ for every report ... and I'm sure he sells AT LEAST 1000 reports a month, probably way more. That's a nice income if you ask me.

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This is the only time I can think of in GLP history where a poster is outed with 100% certainty as a shill. Clif/baldrishi was literally shilling for the web bot reports.

At least with most advertising you usually know that it is advertising. This deceptive bullshit is something different Are you really so conditioned and desensitized that you no longer think that lying to make money is, you know, bad? Wake up.

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He is posting webbot promotion in third person perspective since at least 2005:

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message117965/pg1


baldrishi
6/17/2005 11:17 AM

free web bot reports on California earthquakes have been made available at HPH

Quote

the web bots you see referenced at Geo. Ure;s site, come from HPH.

The humans over at


[link to www.halfpasthuman.com]

have made a copy of the web bots (ALTA reports they call them) available wherein they posted about the California quakes on April 3, this year – about 2 months before they started. It makes good reading, very long and other stuff besides earthquakey info is in the reports, but the complete report is there.
This one alludes to a previous report series from this year that talks about a plate shift coming to north america this year.

Scary crap. Also looks like markets are in deep kim chee.

Anyway, read it yourself

baldrishi
12/8/2005 10:14 AM

Re: free web bot reports on California earthquakes have been made available at HPH

Quote

geo ure is supposed to be setting up a mirro site if you are having trouble downloading the report from halfpasthuman

try urbansurvival.com


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I think most here are not upset but happy they finally have prove Clif is a fraud and the webbots are bullcrap.

The hardcore idiots will keep on believing his crap and give 10$ for a report, but hopefully at least the fence-sitters are cured now.

I hate snake-oil salesmen, especially if they sell doom to people who are not blessed with a fair amount of critical thinking.

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Clif has shown himself to be dishonst on several occasions now.

-Posted some cryptic bullshit about aikido instead of facing up to his failed tipping point prediction
-Tried to deflect blame for his failure onto the people who expected something major and public to happen, when he outright said that something major and public would happen
-Claimed he's going to stop posting web bot reports, then sticking with it anyway (he did this in 2008 and the safe money is on it happening again)
-Shilled for the reports on GLP

He also forbids anyone from posting the text of the reports for the purposes of fair use and commentary, refuses to open-source the project or even post bits of code, refuses to even give a black box demonstration, claims to be a linguist but writes like a stoned 16 year old, and works under an assumed name.


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Pretty obvious that he trolls places like this to come up with ideas for his "reports" and promote his pathetic little sideshow to the gullible.

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This guy is a con, no more no less.

I had been listening to him for about 2 years since 2006 or- and I quickly realised that he was just playing with people. Using these difficult times to explain his garbage. I know think that this is much more than we image. The webbot was featured in one of the discovery channel's videos taking about how they new in advance about 9/11 and I think this is all a lie. Made up to make money and influence people somehow. I just wondered how high up this goes.

People who are still buying his reports and writing good things about it should be ashamed of themselves for being so ignorant. Lets keep this thread on for as long as we can just to make sure new people know about this.

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a couple of other posts, by the last one, seems he really likes fear.
so keeping fear going is something he is very good at.

baldrishi
User ID: 312812
United States
10/25/2008 6:49 PM

Re: How to stop ALIEN ABDUCTION!!!

Quote

big damn dogs also work. The little fuckers are scared of large canines.

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]


[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

baldrishi
User ID: 312812
United States
10/15/2007 7:29 PM

Re: I'm thinking of building a secluded bunker...power source? Quote

use methane. Easy to burn in most gensets after a cheap conversion to propane (same basic gas as far as genset is concerned).

The methane can be made by you and yours inside your bunker. Use 'fear fart' capturing bags, to feed the main methane bag (made from waterbed mattress with no water in it). Plug into the methane orifices of all bunker residents. Then fear away.

To produce more, scare yourselves more.

Or put in pig pens to eat your refuse and recycle into pig manure...a'la Thunderdome.

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Sorry, if someone already posted this but...
Bald - Rishi: Cliff has mentioned he's bald a couple of times and rishi means seer. Just saying...

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His replies don't seem to be enlightened, as he says he is.

He says he has transcended through his mediations.

as I see it, what Clif has said, to what he has written are two different things. that should make anyone question the real motives of fear of the alta reports.

so instead of blind cult following, people should look into this themselves and see where walking the talk is not exactly real.


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Clif says in interviews, he does not ever go to forums or around the net.

clif, says how enlightened he is through his meditations, clif says he does not care if people listen to him or not.

clif in his own words have said the opposite of what has been found.

So, sorry if people are upset finding out they have been duped, but through clif's own words and then proof of his own writing - he has not told the truth.

don't attack those who uncovered the truth, question the person who has not told the truth.

TRANCOSO wrote:
Hardcore, old school, streetwise & screensmart AC.

Andromeda wrote:OK I had a good ponder about these accusations and my conclusion is as follows

2) Linda got upset because she was banned from the Manticore and took GLP post literally without researching the matter further.

It seems that Linda is Christian, nothing wrong with that, but there are 5 billion non christians in the world? not being Christian does not make you evil or luciferian.

In any case, what we need to determine is whether webbot is reliable or not and the philosophical inclinations of the owners are irrelevant and not part of the ecuation...otherwise the reports will be accused of being biased towards the bible for example which they are not


4) It is good to take time to think and follow one's guidance. It is never good to follow rumours and unsubstantiated claims

Linda wrote:

I will continue to share information about what others are saying about Clif's behavior and motives .
Let them connect the dots on their own.


btw, I use to be a private investigator and undercover agent in the old days..Los Angeles and Hollywood....know all about how deceivers operate.......guess that part of me will never go away.