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    Cloning around or Deadly Serious ?

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    Post  blue roller Fri Feb 26, 2016 2:13 am

    Pris wrote:
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    Carol wrote:Hey, I happen to like that avatar. It's from the Carneval in Venezia that a dear friend just emailed to me. Since the bag head avatar comes with all new memberships initiated, instead of the houdini nodding hamster that was there before Mercurial changed it.. I often will give a new member an avatar which they can change when they wish so they don't have to go around with bag over their head.

    As for your assumptions and projections... well, that's what they are. You have no clue what the various members of this forum are involved in, who they know and what they do in the world. Many of us work with the tools available to us and subsequently have reached thousands of people in the work we do with regard to community service.

    YOUR ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT US ARE FALSE. GROW UP.

    If you like that avatar ,use it yourself by all means but its not my choice . I like having a bag over my head , suits me fine . I dont like investing my identity in Images. I prefer to use just words.

    I Only communicate with those who choose to engage me . There is no shortage of preconceptions about me and my opinions and that's fine but a debate that does not allow debate is rhetoric .

    I could go deep in to my families history to back up my arguments but its all deniable because of official secrets. I have merely touched on my genetic history and that's the way I intend to keep it . It creates way to much anguish if I reveal to much .

    I am not terribly interested in developing personal relationships here . To hazardous . I am not interested in validating second hand opinions but I can always respect those who can speak from REAL experience . Big difference.

    In the Film Chocolat , a wandering lady of french/south american heritage enters a small French Village and has to confront a very narrow restrictive church centric culture where individuality is frowned upon . But chocolate and chilli is a powerful combination that stirs hearts and minds , just as truth and love does . Its a happy ending but not without pain on the way . If enjoying good food and companionship is predictive programming ! well what can I say ?

    Its a very common experience for ET's who try to engage humanity ,this theme . Very Common indeed . The wanderer who enters town without religion or baggage or identity. Someone who lives their own truth , not the Normal consensus.

    It was bound to happen though . Only a matter of time before the ranks close and the stranger gets his house boat burned.

    You Locked my thread without my permission Carol. Did you tell Pris that ? I decided to end MY input yes , but I left the door open for Pris to do her own thing .
    Now you have Deleted it ! Again without asking .

    What does that say about you ?

    There you go again.  Assuming things.  Are you ever going to just end it?  I'd love for this thread to be locked and you banned from The Mists.  Just thought I'd put that out there.

    Carol never locked your thread without your permission.  She never asked for permission because she had no intention of locking it.  I asked Carol to lock it because you were (and are), apparently, NOT finished with your input.  In case you missed it, it was my thread, too.

    Now, Carol did not delete the thread without asking.  She had no intention of deleting it.  Besides, it's not 'deleted'.  It's been 'removed' from public view because I asked her to remove it.

    I'd like for this thread to be locked now (or you banned), but that's up to Carol to decide because it is, after all, her forum.  And, this is your thread, Maurice, not mine.

    Btw, I never accused you of abandoning me.  I accused you of threatening to abandon me.  It was your threat that has lead us to this.

    Your last two comments posted prior to this are completely out-of-line and disrespectful (with the sexual not-so-subtle innuendo), full of yet more false assumptions (lies) about me (and my childhood which we never discussed) and, IMO, need to be removed.

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    Im sure you want to ban me and if Carol says okay , that' fine , I have no problem with that . You can chalk that up as a moral victory .

    How quickly you have become everything you deplore in others though. All that rhetoric about free speech means nothing now I take it.

    I never 'threatened' to abandon you because there is no personal relationship between you and I . I shared some time with you writing a thread That I started but was happy to share with just you . That's all. We are on opposite sides of the planet Girl. How the Hell does that make us partners ?

    I tried to resolve your sudden turn against me privately but you refused to communicate . In the meantime I wanted to share some observations that you choose to assume always refer to you so you can claim you are being victimized.
    Your not the only woman on the planet Pris ,hate to break that to you . And on a suffering scale of one to ten your maybe a two at best . Be thankful for that . Unlike you , I KNOW personally many women who have suffered terribly ,men too . S**t happens on this planet . Big time . Your story isn't that special actually . You got off Lite.

    Your not the only Vegan , your not the only Canadian ,your not the only person who has issues . Accept it. You can be every bit as quick to judge others
    But that's your right . You are entitled to your opinion. AS AM I. You cannot realistically expect me or anyone else to agree with you 100% . That's no excuse to get nasty and slam the door .
    You seem to think that your way is the only way. It is . For you . But not everyone.
    People disagree with me all the time and that's ok . I dont take it personally . I dont take vegetarians personally. I dont take Orthydoxymorons pain personally and hate that person for it . I sympathize with this person actually though im powerless to help.

    Now the last time I looked you were not a cat but if you really want to identify as one , well go for it Girl. If you want to be Ironic , if you want to be a redhead , or you want ? What do you want ? What is the natural you ? Only you know the answer to that question .I am not that interested in you .

    I discouraged you from wanting to know to much about me . I tried to tell you its would be better not to .To focus on the thread . But you needed validation and in getting it you wanted more . Im sorry , but I cant give you that .
    I see your unhappy but if you say your not then your not . So whats the problem ? Really ?
    I regret giving you that validation now because it did not help you .

    Locking the thread and removing it is as good as deleting it . You claim it as yours Now . Take it. My words are not mine alone and they live outside the strictures of this forum. Its no loss to me, really it isn't . It can all die. The words ,the thread, my presence here .
    I dont come here for hit counts and attention . For me its an exercise , a writing exercise . I put down thoughts and enjoy the process .

    For you Pris the motivation is different. You spend to much time online ,IMHO . Its not always about you Pris . Its about a whole damn planet of people suffering . Your just one person in what ? 7 billion ? A lot .

    We are not special or better than . We are just a small part in the vastness . I love being nobody in this body , I am nobody in this body . I chose to be simple , poor ,humble,anonymous . Not a big fish at all in this life . Big fish are big targets .

    What I choose to share though is free thought .Take it or leave it but if you insist on taking the whole worlds pain on your shoulders how can you find peace ? Only tyrants demand absolute agreement . Your never going to get it.
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    Post  Swanny Fri Feb 26, 2016 2:53 am

    There is a situation on this planet at the moment that proves to me beyond all doubt that there are no ETs here or if they are here that they don't care
    Fukushima
    You say humans should ask for help but what about the animals, don't they get to ask for help?
    IMO anyone saying that they are alien is not a good thing. To claim to have the ability to help this planet but then do nothing is horrible.
    If you saw a cat lead in the path of a car would you leave it there to be killed?
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    Post  blue roller Fri Feb 26, 2016 3:56 am

    Swanny wrote:There is a situation on this planet at the moment that proves to me beyond all doubt that there are no ETs here or if they are here that they don't care
    Fukushima  
    You say humans should ask for help but what about the animals, don't they get to ask for help?
    IMO anyone saying that they are alien is not a good thing. To claim to have the ability to help this planet but then do nothing is horrible.
    If you saw a cat lead in the path of a car would you leave it there to be killed?

    Exactly ! Do you have any idea how angry Fukushima makes me ? But you see I personally think we should have stopped that happening . But we did not because the Council said its would be interference . Absolute BS .

    However that may be the case , Japan was warned many times NOT to put nuke reactors where they could be vulnerable but being a very corrupt country politically ,they ignored us . Again. They also failed to put in fail safes in the event of coolant flow loss . The reactors were never designed for civilian use. They were designed for Nuke Subs by G.E. ! Outdated pieces of crap.

    The problem with many earth Humans is they never admit they are wrong. They often tell us not to interfere with their affairs .

    Its like this Swanny. You may know for a fact that your neighbors wife is being beaten by her husband when he comes home drunk , but you cant interfere directly. You can call the Police and hope they catch the guy in the act . Worse ,you may suspect a child is being molested just across the national border between your country and say , France . But you cant do anything about it because its not your jurisdiction .

    There are a million things you may not like but you are powerless to intervene directly .

    As a race , a species ,Earth humans are an Illegal Genetic experiment . So that makes the legal stuff even more complex. The Cabal claims your DNA as their patent , just like they claim GMO crops as their exclusive property. This is how they claim jurisdiction over you and technically they know how to play that card. You are corporate slaves ,corporate property . As long as you remain asleep. But once you wake up and regain access to your soul ,they have to rescind their legal claim on your body because you are no longer dead cargo.
    That's what it means ,the seal. Until you break the seal your bonded cargo . You have no rights.

    Sure we can rescue a cat , we can rescue a child that's about to drown . The small stuff goes under the radar . But if we get directly involved without requesting assistance first , we are trespassing/spying . Which is exactly the kind of pretext the cabal is looking for to have us removed . They also set up traps for us when they engineer disasters in the hope of gaining our technology. They escalate to create an excuse to frame us as the bad guys.

    They hold you guys hostage and hold us to a high standard they never conform to themselves. Yes, it sucks .It sucks big time and many of us would love to say F*** the cabal and do the right thing. But we cant .

    Our job would be so much easier if enough of Humanity finally says 'enough' . I have had big arguments with higher ups about this .

    Its a huge cat and mouse game . Its wrong. I agree with you completely BUT justice on this planet ? Forget it. You dont have it until you demand it .
    Look at your Birth certificate . Its got a number on it . That number is traded on the stock exchange. You body is stock ,an asset. You are not a man ,you are an asset. A trade able asset. The cabal comes to council and they state that . Until you refute the contract as the soul owner of that body.

    Now all this rubbish about predictive programming in movies .Yes ,that used to be very much true of a percentage of media but look at the change in emphasis now. The Catholic church is getting hammered by Indie and MSM. The lid is OFF . Same with the banking system. The lock down on truth is breaking down now. That is because a great many Jewish people within Hollywood are doing the right thing as well as none Jews. Sure there is compromise ,there is politicking . But its a shift and that's better than no change at all.

    The subliminal stuff only works on the weak minded anyway. When people start seeing everything they worked for getting stolen , S**t gets real fast.

    I don't mind you getting in my face Swanny , Damn right you should . Keep doing it . Give me hell , give ET hell too . They need a ripping. I am as disgusted as many are at the bureaucratic excuses and wavering .
    That's good . We need more people like you saying this . Thubs Up
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    Post  Pris Fri Feb 26, 2016 4:34 am

    Pris wrote:Btw, I never accused you of abandoning me.  I accused you of threatening to abandon me.  It was your threat that has lead us to this.

    Perhaps I wasn't clear enough so I'd better clear this up right now.

    What I found fascinating is that you, Maurice, would actually try threatening me with abandonment.  I couldn't have cared less about being 'abandoned by you', and that's why your tactic didn't work on me.

    I've not been interested in discussing anything with you or having any kind of contact with you since I locked our thread.

    Meantime, you need to stop with your false assumptions and accusations.  I can't believe the nonsense you're coming up with.

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    Post  blue roller Fri Feb 26, 2016 3:01 pm

    Pris wrote:
    Pris wrote:Btw, I never accused you of abandoning me.  I accused you of threatening to abandon me.  It was your threat that has lead us to this.

    Perhaps I wasn't clear enough so I'd better clear this up right now.

    What I found fascinating is that you, Maurice, would actually try threatening me with abandonment.  I couldn't have cared less about being 'abandoned by you', and that's why your tactic didn't work on me.

    I've not been interested in discussing anything with you or having any kind of contact with you since I locked our thread.

    Meantime, you need to stop with your false assumptions and accusations.  I can't believe the nonsense you're coming up with.

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    At least you admitted you unilaterally locked out our thread without asking me . Censorship , I believe its called.
    You see what you want to see. Not interested in playing that game.

    Now I need to get back to the topic in hand . Excuse me.




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    Post  blue roller Fri Feb 26, 2016 3:28 pm

    Swanny actually gave me a great lead in to the next part of the topic . Thanks Swanny.

    So you've got clones and you've got drones. Drones such as worker Bee's dont have a mind of their own .They follow orders until they die. That's it.

    Humans who's souls are asleep are drones.They obey the programming instilled in them by religion etc.

    In Attack of the Clones ,George Lucas throws out a big clue regarding cloning and the fate of earth humans. On Camino Obi wan gets a guided tour.

    ..."we modified their genetic structure to make them less independent than the original host. They are totally obedient ,obeying any order without question".

    Sound familiar ?

    There are many clues to prove that Human DNA has been tampered with. Cancer being one.

    Cancer results when the kill switch on an old and worn out cell refuses to die. Instead of being recycled ,it multiplies and starts to eat healthy tissue just like an invasive parasite.

    The RH positive Rhesus Monkey Gene marker in Human blood. Its should not be there , but it is.
    That's just the start though and of course there is the huge amount of so called 'junk DNA' to explain too.

    Unfortunately , because my first thread has been locked and withdrawn , I cant refer people to it .

    Politics Eh ?

    Replication is part of new life and mother knows best when it comes to doing it properly . But when nature is messed with it creates all sorts of problems.
    Because Balance in the force is what gives us all this astonishing variety of life . Its beautiful , why mess with something that amazing ?
    Good parents who really love their children allow them to make their own choices when they leave home. Its called unconditional love.
    Bad parents lay the guilt trips on thick and fast . They molest their children and humiliate them so they can control and enslave them.

    Which parents would any of you choose ,if you had the choice ?

    When bad parents instill self doubt in innocent children that child will struggle to build healthy relationships in adulthood. It will identify love with pain and humiliation and seek out those who supply it. Healthy love , they will not understand ,or try to coerce in to an abusive self punishing form.

    They lash out because its the only 'love' they have ever known . Jehovah , the 'father' of humanity, knows that and exploits it. He pimps you all for profit. To him you are sheep, expendable canon fodder and slaves. A cheap weapons system.
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    Post  Carol Fri Feb 26, 2016 5:37 pm

    BR, you certainly raised a number of issues in this topic.

    As for parents, I suspect this is a pre-birth agreement where one ends up with the parents they need, not necessarily want in order to maximize their life experience and challenges.

    Next, back to the topic of clones. Having sat down for a few meals with Stefano Breccia (author of Mass Contact http://www.amazon.com/Mass-Contacts-Stefano-Breccia/dp/1438906781/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1456528664&sr=8-1&keywords=mass+contacts) I learned a lot about the clones which were attempting to murder him.

    Stefano was first contacted by off-worlders in 1956 and had over a 50 year relationship with them. During this time the off-worlders living in Italy in underground bases created their own clones who turned on their creators trying to murder them and also destroyed their underground/underwater bases. These clones are involved in all types of business (basically left brain oriented leaning toward technology and sociopathic). They are not controlled but autonomous out wrecking havoc all over the place. They also like to drive fast cars, smoke and drink. So the clones you are referring to don't apply in Breccia's situation. Given their sociopathic tendencies and how quickly they were created into adult entities operating on their own steam and not under the control of even their creators, one wonders if they are soulless.

    Next are the clones created for various political leaders. I recall reading one time that Camp David was a site where this occurs and can just imagine various Hillary clones being dragged out for her current presidential campaign given what I've observed on the stage during her various presentations. This is a particular area of interest for me as I wonder if they have souls.. because I suspect they don't.

    Let's not forget the biological ET clones that are made in England and used to abduct people. Now these clones just follow their programming and don't deviate from it. Kind of reminds me of an AI situation. Soulless.

    Now this takes us to some of what Robert Dean discussed in one of his interviews with Kerry Cassidy where he went onto describe how clones are made for humans and their soul is transferred into the new cloned body. So I would "assume" these specific clones have souls. Yet something that Pris identified in a previous post stuck with me about the DNA not having an opportunity to recalibrate where it's essentially "upgraded" with the new experiences learned in the last physical body.

    I have this one contactee friend who has been approached to have her soul moved into a new clone body which she was looking forward to. Apparently she was to help them when it came time to evacuate the planet and relocate to a new planet. Not to sure how that will work out but it's interesting to think about along with the myriad of possibilities.

    Now you also mentioned Fukushima so in passing I just like to bring up that Fukushima was not an accident, and according to inside whistle blowers was planned and in retaliation for some stubbornness on Japan's part pertaining to not giving into the US secret government's wishes. So this is another whole ball of wax originating from the Nazi/Satanic perspective where we are all aware that a battle for souls is ongoing for you knows how long and individuals have to choose as to which path they will follow. Will they move along the path of spiritual evolution or annihilation by believing the dark path will fulfill them.

    One can examine this whole issue of clones from multiple perspectives which is pretty self-evident pertaining to the various examples given.

    Is cloning a good thing or a bad thing? One can end up responding... well it depends, doesn't it? Who is doing the cloning and for what purpose.


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    Post  blue roller Fri Feb 26, 2016 11:23 pm

    Hi Carol
    Yes , excellent input and with a good rounded overview. This is the kind of reply i can interact with intelligently.
    Okay , lets get me out of the way first . I am largely but not completely cloned . Now the reason for that in my case is several fold but I will try to keep it very brief. In the last galactic war my people were Nordic yes , but specialists, colonists, who took to living on worlds with high gravity . So we ended up getting over time ,shorter and very muscular,stocky. We built very high value specialized systems . We built them for defensive purposes .

    When the war began we were among the first targeted for special attention and most of my ancestors were wiped out . So being one of only a few left with the genetic memory to build what we built, we were given that dubious privilege of being allowed to clone in order to rebuild. Its not something to boast about , its just the sad reality .

    But in order to safe guard our DNA the mothers agreed to be the guardians of our genetic heritage . Its a great honor and privilage to have that level of protection but we need it . There is more to that but I shan't bore you with it here .

    Now of course Cloning can be bad news , and often is . Its an abuse of natural reproductive processes of course and comes with all sorts of potential problems because without a stable evolved soul matrix ,the damn things can go rogue and get jacked by all sorts of Yahoos and they do.
    Cloning and soul transfer without proper virus protection and oversight (the mothers oversee us to keep us clean) means that the Cabal is propping up their degraded genetic heritage with all sorts of half assed breeding programs .End result ,which is good for humanity, is that they are crumbling and loosing viable control of their family.

    Inbreeding is the other way that they circle jerk their genes to work . The grid they put in place around the planet stops both human souls from communicating with the outside and theirs . They are victims of their own stupid plots .

    Ordinarily your computer updates your virus protection automatically right ? Same with DNA in a healthy planetary system where life has open source communication across many dimensions. No different to that of a native forest ecosystem only its intergalactic/dimensional.

    Earth is locked down so human life here is largely in stasis along with the Cabalists families too. Earth Mother is constantly kept in a state of trauma by them so she cant reach out as well as she would like . She is caged and tortured . Its a sick sick system here.

    I have to go off world to upgrade and clean up every now and then, but I also run two bodies simultaneously. This one is entirely civilian .The other one is working with the ET's given clearance and resident status here . We have a license to intervene if you like. Its not as broad in scope as we would like but its better than no scope. The cabal hates us with a passion of course but they know its not wise to cross us. They envy our 'immortality' as they cal it. Its not really that at all but its what they desire most for themselves.

    I gave some photographic proof of that in my thread and a bit of background . We do reproduce and father children naturally and prefer to do it that way. Love is the best viral protection you can give your children . If your a good mother you know that right ? We are sadly often absent fathers because of duty but our kids know who we are and we keep in touch .

    What I have tried to do Carol is give a sane overview of the pro's and con's of cloning because way to many people typecast these subjects and it just turns in to a massive paranoid fear fest . That helps no one.

    My civvy body gives me time out, literally. My duty body is younger but looks the same only fitter of course . There are only a few of us left now. Hopefully when this mess is over with ,we can go home and move on . By then we will have rebuilt our heritage enough not to keep cloning anymore.

    When the original Clone wars took place , just like it states in the star wars movie revenge of the sith , the codes were scrambled to safe guard what was left of us. We had to go in to hiding though in practice that hiding was more sophisticated than just finding a remote planet .

    So yes , cloning has its uses and there are exceptional circumstances where it is done properly by the experts as indeed happens in the Film Avatar.
    That's such an important Film to understand Carol. It goes in to all this stuff in a very realistic and technically accurate way.
    Any questions, hit me up .I will try to answer them .

    My godmother, so to speak, keeps my DNA somewhere safe. A good tool preserved in oil ,she calls it. Its an old Joke my people have .
    Others refer to these Mothers as The Three Graces. Mine is the short stocky one .
    There is a famous painting of them with Italian Greyhounds . See if you can find it if you like.
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    Post  blue roller Sat Feb 27, 2016 1:53 am

    Continuing on from my last post.

    Soul transfer whether from clone to clone or body to clone or soul to body depends on having a good connection. If you have a lousy slow internet connection the downloaded data can be compromised or interrupted before complete Right ? Not good.

    In a healthy planetary system the the planet itself is the womb for soul transfer as illustrated in the Film Avatar.
    On this planet the prison bar grid system disables mother earths ability to manage soul transfer in a natural healthy way .

    That's why you get so many problems here . We have a good connection to our mothers so we are fortunate in that regard .We could not operate successfully here without it .
    Its really not that hard to understand actually is it ? Not saying that in a patronizing way at all.

    So yes , the cabal does all sorts of sick crazy stuff to keep its agenda going . It fears mother Earth getting free of her chains . It fears us constantly throwing a spanner in the works that they cant predict .
    Charlie Chaplin is one of us. But he hacks the cabals grid through being a clown , not a clone . Though the word play in that is no accident .

    The cabal is in a double bind though because if they allow the human genome/soul matrix to degrade to much ,they cant get humanity to work at all . So they tolerate our efforts to touch people's hearts because they have to . Does that make sense ?

    So you see Hollywood is a very complex diplomatic stand off . They need our 'star quality' yet they hate us for connecting with hearts and minds.
    They cannot make money without our 'pull' .We connect with people because they instinctively recognize deep down ,the good stars, and need that connection just to give them something beyond the mediocre slave existence .

    Even the worst slave drivers know they have to give their minions some respite .

    Its very important to understand this point actually because deep down ,humanity does remember and their souls are crying out from that deep abyss in to their hypnotized daily grind. "wake the f**k up !"

    Now when people say Hollywood is ALL mind control they are just wrong . Sure ,some of it is pure drivel . Junk . But not all .

    Love is a force of nature . Its seriously powerful stuff. Best protection in the multiverse . Let it in and give it back . Let go of your hate and fear.
    Best advice I can give . Trust your heart and you wont get hurt . Give in to hate and fear and anger and you just hurt yourself.

    My Mother takes on a Human body ! yep . Planet Mothers incarnate .Well why would they not ? I mean seriously , if you have an arse the width of a planet you can do just about anything when you shake that Booty. Funny eh ? But im not joking. My mother has a house up the road from here . Not my birth mother , my souls keeper mother . Or for short that's what we call them , Keepers. My designation on duty is seeker .
    Because that's what we do, We seek out the lost and try to help them . Not an easy job here .

    That's what an authentic 007 does. Because the name means 'The bond of love between heaven and earth ' or J'aime Bond for short. People think James Bond is all sex and violence but no , its really very often about trying to rescue damaged women who are being used by the cabal . In order to effect a rescue we do use our charm and we do make love to make the connection.
    That's part of it anyway. Tricky though. But the Earth Mothers are nothing if not pragmatic when it comes to getting the job done .

    Now I think I know who you are talking about when you mention your friend Carol but this friend needs to get to grips with the fact that there is a lot of growing to do and learning to do . No short cuts .

    Pris has hit a wall and I have a pretty good idea why . But she has to get her sh** together herself . No one can do it for her . Same applies to everyone. To many women and men are looking for a free ride home . It does not work until you clean up your act and deal with your fear.
    Once you have done that you wont need to cadge a lift from anyone. You wont need to worry about being part of an evacuation team to get a ticket off this rock .
    Saving your body is not our main concern. Saving your soul is.



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    Post  Carol Sat Feb 27, 2016 1:49 pm

    You offer some different perspectives which provide a lot to think about. As for my friend Stefano Breccia, he died last year. He spent more then 50 years in contact working with off-worlders.

    You can read more about him at this thread if you're so inclined.

    http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t3439-the-friendship-case

    http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t109-w56-ctr-clones-contactee-stefano-breccia-passed-3-1-12?highlight=Stefano+Breccia

    http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t2777-indigo-revolution-matias-de-stefano?highlight=Stefano+Breccia


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRu9IzHf9KE

    I was at this conference with him and Paola Harris.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ScR4ewiCgw


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    Post  blue roller Sat Feb 27, 2016 2:30 pm

    The first Humans created by Enki were cloned from a mish mash of whatever he could scrape together from what was left after his army and battle fleet was destroyed by us. It was total war because the bastard would never negotiate ,never give up , and was ruthless in his objectives .So we had to put the hammer down hard on the son of a bitch .

    By the time the war had ended he had laid waste to thousands of Innocent species with biological weapons .

    We chased him down to this planet where to avoid total annihilation he took many of our soul mates hostage in the machine. That's the only reason why we put up with him. The only reason .

    That's why James Bond is Always seducing beautiful women in those films. He is trying to rescue them .

    Now you know about MK Kitten Programming Carol ? I was married to one. This programming is very common amongst women and to make it stick the cabal encourages all Kittens to 'look out for each other' . SO that turns in to a chronically dysfunctional pity party that's very hard to break.

    My first Wife had a Teddy bear , the one they gave her to comfort her after torturing her . That was her comfort zone , a stuffed rag ! No wonder she was a mess . Long story, shan't go in to it here . That's why American Cops carry so many teddy bears in their cars. Damage control.

    So to hold the programming in place and give cold comfort ,Kittens develop an attachment to either stuffed dolls/Teddy bears etc OR pet animals.
    Could be a Cat , a Dog ,a hamster ,whatever. This desperate over identification with and love for the comfort creature displaces any hope of a meaningful intimate relationship with a real person. Having experienced hurt rejection and betrayal in Human relationships they seek safer options and safe partners who are dull lifeless drones OR turn out to be their Handlers .

    Clones dont experience love and warmth but at a deep genetic memory level ,they know its missing and long for it. It drives them insane trying to fill that void . Ask any child what is most important to them and they will always say the love of their mummy and daddy.
    Deny that love and you crucify the child . Churches uses that trick all the time. Jesus wont love you until you accept him as your personal Savior .
    What a crock.

    Many MK Kittens are clones or IVF using stolen DNA . The cabal does this deliberately to try and steal , torture and punish US , the alliance that destroyed Enki's plans for inter galactic domination.

    The clone wars are still going on .

    Now I dont know much about this Italian Job actually because off duty , I choose not to know to much . To painful. Im supposed to be on R and R.
    But even off duty its hard for me not to try and reach out to help .

    Our soul mates and wives were raped, tortured and turned in to Breeders by Enki you see. So for us , its personal, Deeply personal.

    That's why I get banned so quickly usually.
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    Post  blue roller Sat Feb 27, 2016 2:55 pm

    Now the 'alien abduction thing'

    We don't do that . That's a false flag cabal operation to demonize us.

    Anyone with technology as advanced and civilized as us does not need to do crazy crap like that ! Why even bother ?
    Anal probes !

    When the cabal does these abductions to impregnate/breed with their Dolls/Kittens they can then blame it on someone else. Standard operating procedure for these creeps. Then if a Kitten does have a child and she gets out of line they threaten to torture their child. Its the old hostage meme over again.

    So please have a Second thought Carol before assuming its the Greys . The authentic Greys just dont do that stuff . Nor do we.

    Steve Greer has a lot of useful info but he is sometimes played and unwitting . Not his fault really . Simon Parkes is a limited hang out I suspect but again not all bad . Just somewhat relatively not completely in the picture. I never trust guys with a comb over .

    The Film Sky Captain and the world of Tomorrow is a tongue in cheek homage to us . The evil totenkopf (derivative anagram of potentate) and his 'Unit 11' is an oblique reference to Enki and his Elves . Elf is German for Eleven. And of course Eleven is an anagram of Elven. Thus a staged event dated 9/11.

    The lord of the Rings Films have essentially peeled the lid off the Nice guy image of the Elves . Sauron is an Elf as was his master  Morgoth.
    The orcs are Elves who have suffered horrific genetic manipulation and abuse.

    Not all Elves are bad , but when they screw up they dont do it by halves.
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    Post  Swanny Sat Feb 27, 2016 5:24 pm

    blue roller wrote:

    Anyone with technology as advanced and civilized as us


    So what you're saying is that even though the nordic race have the technology to do something they are going to stand back and let Fukushima carry on as it is and destroy the planet and all life on it???

    They sound like a fantastic race of people Annoyed
    If fact they sound worst than humans, you must be so proud  Nope
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    Post  blue roller Sat Feb 27, 2016 5:59 pm

    Swanny wrote:
    blue roller wrote:

    Anyone with technology as advanced and civilized as us


    So what you're saying is that even though the nordic race have the technology to do something they are going to stand back and let Fukushima carry on as it is and destroy the planet and all life on it???

    They sound like a fantastic race of people Annoyed
    If fact they sound worst than humans, you must be so proud  Nope

    Your not listening Swanny. What part of not our planet dont you get ?
    Your planet ,your responsibility. Ever Lobbied your local MP about Fukushima ?
    How many people do you know actively demanding action ?
    Like I said , we could help more if Humanity grew a pair but your cowards most of you. Out and out back stepping ,arse crawling ,self pitying,spineless tools.

    The fact that we dont like it either does not make it easy for us . Try going to Japan yourself and see how far you get trying to do something about it.

    Sadly and realistically , part of the reason the council did not allow full intervention was this . "Earth humans never learn anything here until it slaps them in the face " They do have a point.

    You are Orcs, you are Enki's slaves and bitches. You are his property ,his race . Not ours. Tough love ? yes it is.

    You are blaming us for your Gods and your people's sins. Not a good argument in Court Mate.
    Do you use your gods Dollar and spend his pound ? Do you submit to his authority ? Driving licence , tax number ?

    Yes you do . And that's why your getting the results you get.

    Your going to have to do better than that. You grow a pair and ask for help with humility and contrition and your far more likely to get Help.
    Steal the moral high ground and you just come off as a professional victim.

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    Post  blue roller Sat Feb 27, 2016 7:57 pm

    [b]Which leads me to the next big question nobody has quite figured out . Why is it that the highest percentage of alien abductees/implant victims are Rh negative blood types ?

    Simple answers is because they are our people and Enki loves to use and punish our people the most.
    But being a minority who are the most enslaved of all, their voice is the least powerful and rh positives are conditioned to hate and marginalize rh negatives because they are the out of the box thinkers who are least prone to full deception./b]

    Et's do not abduct anyone or force them to submit to anything . Only cabal operatives masquerading as us play that game .

    So when people attack me on Forums I know exactly why and where they are coming from. Conditioned hatred, jealousy and fear.

    Many people Lie about being Rh negative for the Kudos or to deliberately deceive and ingratiate themselves.
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    Post  blue roller Sat Feb 27, 2016 10:00 pm

    There is a basic rule for any resident ET on this planet and that rule is "Never ever trust an Earth Human".

    The currency on this planet is Lies . The money system is a lie, history is a lie , your governments always lie . So what chance is there that being honest will get you ahead on this planet ? Zero , basically.
    When ever ET tries to negotiate therefore with Earths representatives they are dealing with a species that cannot be trusted and therefore our efforts must necessarily take that in to account.

    The only weapon that the average human has though that can change this mess is the truth and the courage to pursue it at any cost .

    I cant say for sure what all the reasons are for not intervening more thoroughly in respect of Fukushima but there are many factors that could be involved. Being underwater contamination there are I am sure, measures being taken to re mediate the situation but exactly how much I would not know .
    Any contamination that our bases come in to contact with can be harvested and neutralized easily enough .
    Its a lot like the underwater equivalent of the chemtrailing program. A desperate attempt to smoke out our craft and monitor them amongst other things.

    But Humans pollute everything .They pollute the water with flouride and Chlorine and god knows how many pharmaceuticals .The soil , the air ,the sea.
    So you know Swanny , Fukushima is just their latest, greatest dumb move.

    But its not their fault , oh no . Its our fault for not doing something. Its not a black and white thing is it ?
    Personally I think we should have stopped it happening in the first place for the sake of the sea life and mother Earth , but every intervention is a calculated risk here because the Cabal are desperate bastards looking to set up any excuse for preemptive action. Not to mention the on going hostage/blackmail operation they use on civilians.

    For us we are forced to choose the lesser of two evils because we are dealing with pure Evil. You dont deal with evil without making hard choices. Its war .

    If you were in our position Swanny , what would you do ? When this mess happened in the first place many ET's argued for the Planet to be destroyed as a mercy killing and to stop the ongoing horror . Could you make that choice and live with it ? We tried to kill the beast but that backfired and it simply submerged under the Bermuda triangle. We stopped its offensive weapons capability but it still harvests/rapes souls.

    What I find difficult to accept from you Swanny is that while i go to considerable length and depth to reason with you , you just jump to summary judgement and refuse to take any share of the responsibility with your fellow humans . Not very impressive.
    This behavior is very typical and its why so few humans getting meaningful extend contact. They usually play along for awhile then pull out the knife and put it in your back . Just like their creator 'God'.

    When my people tried to negotiate with him directly he abused the laws of parley and slaughtered all of them . He made a very dangerous enemy that day. His end is coming and we have this planet locked down tighter than a crabs arse in a tsunami. He isn't going to escape this time .
    Once he is gone and the machine shut down , maybe then we can get more done.

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    Post  Swanny Sun Feb 28, 2016 4:35 am

    blue roller wrote:

    If you were in our position Swanny , what would you do ?
    Ok I'll play your game.
    If I was in a position to help a planet and everything on it??
    I would do everything in my power to help it of course. To stand by and watch it suffer do nothing and let it be destroyed would be a terrible crime.
    Are the nordics enjoying watching the Pacific ocean and everything in it die?
    Maybe having the power to help but to do nothing makes them feel good?? They must be pure evil, so from from what you've said I will Never ever trust a nordic.



    Hope you don't mind me saying this but I don't for one minute think that you are an alien alien You're a human living on Earth and therefore you're in just as much in the XXXX as the rest of us rabbit

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    Post  Swanny Sun Feb 28, 2016 1:36 pm

    What do the nordics think about this?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9dAn98JzQs

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    Post  blue roller Sun Feb 28, 2016 1:52 pm

    Swanny wrote:
    blue roller wrote:

    If you were in our position Swanny , what would you do ?
    Ok I'll play your game.
    If I was in a position to help a planet and everything on it??
    I would do everything in my power to help it of course. To stand by and watch it suffer do nothing and let it be destroyed would be a terrible crime.
    Are the nordics enjoying watching the Pacific ocean and everything in it die?
    Maybe having the power to help but to do nothing makes them feel good?? They must be pure evil, so from from what you've said I will Never ever trust a nordic.



    Hope you don't mind me saying this but I don't for one minute think that you are an alien alien You're a human living on Earth and therefore you're in just as much in the XXXX as the rest of us    rabbit


    Ah Swanny , how long have you been stewing in the basement chewing on regret ?

    Why play 'the game ' if you dont think I am who I say I am ? Bit hypocritical.

    But since you know better may I suggest you not waste your time here ? I mean dont let me stop you if you want to keep coming up with lame arguments but its not going to change anything because just like most humans , you know better.

    Pris said That to me when she first engaged me. Thought it was just a game . It is a game in a sense . Life is a game. You can stew in front of a computer all day having fake relationships . OR you can get out there and live an authentic life and meet with ET's . IF you have the balls to get humble and listen instead of preaching like a teenager.

    Most humans are total wimps. They like their cages and their junk food and their conspiracy theories . But living authentically is not theory , its practice.
    You helped mess up this planet, not us. You who claim if you had the power you would fix it ! But you don't and you wouldn't if you could.

    Fact is matey , you would not still be breathing if was not for us. We do what we do voluntarily while you sweat on your complacent butt preaching.

    Not one of my arguments have you addressed reasonably by point. You just sneer and smear , like most Humans .
    Yes the pacific ocean is in big trouble and yes it is tragic but on a galactic scale your home planet is a drop in the ocean and life will go on no matter how much YOU humans f****d it up here. Thank the heavens for that much.
    Your an experiment that was never meant to go right and maybe its time to pull the plug on your lame excuse filled dead end lives. Your 'voice' is just an echo of Jehovah's hate . You have no authentic voice of your own.
    And in that sad fact lies the source of your demise as a race. Only those who honored their mother will be remembered when she vacates.
    Planets do Die , but the spirit that animates and gives them life is eternal.

    If Mother earth has to vacate her body here and take her soul elsewhere , she can do that and who would blame her , after the way you humans have treated your own mother .

    Life on this planet is on a Knife edge now. Human apathy and greed is the cause of it. We have a place prepared for your mother but you ? Hey, you chose your god a long time ago .Enjoy his company.

    He may be your god , but he sure as hell is not ours.

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    Post  blue roller Sun Feb 28, 2016 1:56 pm

    Swanny wrote:What do the nordics think about this?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9dAn98JzQs


    The entire galactic community thinks YOUR responsible , That's what it thinks. Or are you just passing through Swanny ?
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    Post  blue roller Sun Feb 28, 2016 2:10 pm

    Realistically Swanny ,we have done everything we reasonably can to wake up humanity and get them to see whats going down. BUT like I keep saying ,its your planet and your choices that will decide your fate . Humans are lazy . They want daddy to take care of everything and if God does not show up to rescue their lame, fat, complacent arse's ,then damn it ,why isn't ET doing our grunt work for us !

    No swanny boy . Your mess , your responsibility. We are not going to clean up the crap in your bedroom just so you cant take another crap in the corner and smear it on the walls when we leave.

    You want to behave like a spoiled brat , you get to live in a room smeared with your own defecate.

    Humans are the only species that wont crap in the corner if they are caged , did you know that ? They will crap everywhere. And they do.

    My words are not a message of hate .They are a cry of despair for your total lack of real love . Your self destructive hate .
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    Post  Carol Sun Feb 28, 2016 2:19 pm

    That's a sad response BR. Your posts come across as one who is identified with "hive" mind and doesn't indicate someone who has individuated out into a self-actualized human being. Instead your stance is that you are better then humans, yet you possess a human body. Even Bob Dean and Alex Collier shared that off-worlders consider humanity royalty with the DNA composition that they have.

    When allowing oneself to drop into the "you" stance that also set's oneself up into the top dog, underdog game. Yet with hive mind.. sticking with "we" suits your purpose in an attempt to illustrate solidarity with something better the humanity. That of being part ET, a clone. How does that work for you? Once again there is the pattern of making assumptions and blaming folks who have nothing to do with many of the earths problems as the reason it has deteriorated to the state it is in. This is somewhat hollow as the real issue pertains to how the negative ETs are controlling humanity at various levels in the age old battle of good vs evil.. Satanic influence.

    The hierarchy of nordics puts them over the greys an under reptilians according to Sean David Morton, if I recall his lectures and book correctly. As with most species there is the good, the bad and the ugly. For humanity to evolve sometimes they (various individuals) need to do battle with the Satanic and learn how to defeat evil. Perhaps this has more to do with how evolved an individual is at the soul level and the challenges they had set up for themselves prior to incarnation.

    In the end, at death during the life review (been there and did that) one gets an opportunity to go over the life lived and relieve all emotions of those events from multiple perspectives in order to integrate what was learned and what wasn't.

    Evolved human beings and even off-worlders are "humble". They don't position themselves above or below anyone else. In this sense the experience is a different sort of "we" independent of the experience of "hive mind we" (did that too).

    I think many humans feel disempowered and have not yet learned how to be "brave". Hence the variety of life experiences various individuals live through are all designed to help one at the individual level to evolve and grow.

    Oh, and just a little note with respect to the whole judging others.. to judge others is to relive that experience where one ends up judging oneself during the life review and an emotional level one can't even begin to comprehend at the intellectual level. Negative thoughts are relived. Negative judgments are relived. The best defense is humility.. recognizing we're all in the soup bowl together and meant to help one another.

    My friend who is now dead helped his off-worlders friends secure food among other things. The relationship was a two-way street of give and take.


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    Post  blue roller Sun Feb 28, 2016 2:59 pm

    Carol wrote:That's a sad response BR. Your posts come across as one who is identified with "hive" mind and doesn't indicate someone who has individuated out into a self-actualized human being. Instead your stance is that you are better then humans, yet you possess a human body. Even Bob Dean and Alex Collier shared that off-worlders consider humanity royalty with the DNA composition that they have.

    When allowing oneself to drop into the "you" stance that also set's oneself up into the top dog, underdog game. Yet with hive mind.. sticking with "we" suits your purpose in an attempt to illustrate solidarity with something better the humanity. That of being part ET, a clone. How does that work for you? Once again there is the pattern of making assumptions and blaming folks who have nothing to do with many of the earths problems as the reason it has deteriorated to the state it is in. This is somewhat hollow as the real issue pertains to how the negative ETs are controlling humanity at various levels in the age old battle of good vs evil.. Satanic influence.

    The hierarchy of nordics puts them over the greys an under reptilians according to Sean David Morton, if I recall his lectures and book correctly. As with most species there is the good, the bad and the ugly. For humanity to evolve sometimes they (various individuals) need to do battle with the Satanic and learn how to defeat evil. Perhaps this has more to do with how evolved an individual is at the soul level and the challenges they had set up for themselves prior to incarnation.

    In the end, at death during the life review (been there and did that) one gets an opportunity to go over the life lived and relieve all emotions of those events from multiple perspectives in order to integrate what was learned and what wasn't.

    Evolved human beings and even off-worlders are "humble". They don't position themselves above or below anyone else. In this sense the experience is a different sort of "we" independent of the experience of "hive mind we" (did that too).

    I think many humans feel disempowered and have not yet learned how to be "brave". Hence the variety of life experiences various individuals live through are all designed to help one at the individual level to evolve and grow.

    Oh, and just a little note with respect to the whole judging others.. to judge others is to relive that experience where one ends up judging oneself during the life review and an emotional level one can't even begin to comprehend at the intellectual level. Negative thoughts are relived. Negative judgments are relived. The best defense is humility.. recognizing we're all in the soup bowl together and meant to help one another.

    My friend who is now dead helped his off-worlders friends secure food among other things. The relationship was a two-way street of give and take.

    Carol your not reading my words at all.

    Its not us and them at all . Its called free will and the fact of the matter is most humans are choosing this fate, NOT US .

    Its this classic poor me victim mentality you all insist on clinging to. Mother earth simply cannot go on living here when you people keep poisoning her.

    Cheap political gestures are not going to cut it. YOU have to pull your collective fingers out NOW , not later . The follow up Avatar films have been delayed over and over again by Politics. Why do you think that is ?
    Because the Cabal fears the message getting through ,that's why .

    Every time we intervene we are prolonging Mother earths suffering . She is on Life support .Do you think she really likes living like that in constant
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    Post  blue roller Sun Feb 28, 2016 3:11 pm

    I am not judging anyone here . YOU are judging yourselves by YOUR actions. Its called responsibility and your not taking it.

    Your addicts. Your addicted to self pity and hatred of anything or anyone that does not enable your addiction .

    And I keep saying to you all , this is the message in these films ,these artists ,these songs ,these brave people who are trying wake you up. For heavens sake listen to them. Its not about me.

    Your always looking for excuses to sabotage the real relationships because your pre programmed by YOUR god to do so . You talk love but you are not practicing it.

    You of all people should know Carol that you cannot treat/help an addict until they admit they have a problem. I am pointing you guys to the message that's there to help you help yourselves but you have to see it for yourselves.

    But no , that message has been sabotaged by a turncoat and all that good work Hidden from view. Apparently its all 'predictive programming' now.

    The prediction will come true in Avatar IF you people don't wake up. You will Kill your mother and you will have no other home to go to that we will provide.
    Try knocking on Hells door and ask for jehovah. He may answer it if you give him a DNA sample but I sure as hell would not .
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    Post  blue roller Sun Feb 28, 2016 3:26 pm

    So much of your response Carol is based on secondhand leaks and dis info .

    Again your allowing species Labels/prejudice to color your perception and I keep telling you to stop doing that . Your relying on prejudice instead of personal experience. I don't give a tuppenny hoot what Mr Morton or any of these other 'insiders' claim to know. They are invariably dis info peddlers.

    When you meet a stranger on the street who feels different and you like the feeling of that person , do you judge him or her by race ,skin color ? I hope
    not .

    Okay ,supposing this stranger says hello with a beautiful warm smile and invites you to stop for a moment and have tea. You say why not and have a wonderful couple of hours chatting about anything really and at the end of it you feel wonderful but cant quite say why.

    Has it ever occurred to you that person may have been an ET ? ET's can take on many forms and still be authentic. You cant judge them by their body type.

    Ever woken up from a dream like that ?

    Is that what you want ? More of that ? Its there if you want it but if all you can do is feel sorry for yourself when ET tries to touch base , your not listening ,your just ranting while he /she indulges you. You guys have got to get past that . You make it so hard for us to get through .

    ET's will not show you their real face if you are prejudiced against them by govt disinfo/propaganda.

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