United States AI Solar System (2)

"Hey Professor!! You Screwed-Up the First-Equation -- So the Whole-Board is Screwed-Up!!"

B.B.Baghor wrote:Ortho's words: "At some point, I expect to become absolutely poker-faced and impenetrable."

Without meaning to ridicule this, ortho, I have to smile about this statement of yours, which is just one way of trying out how to maintain focus on a stage and not lose face. Hmmmm. To whom? I very much doubt if you're capable of this. I'm sure your mind is at peace with that poker-face, I know how to make use of that, finding strength in it, having to walk between the aisles in church, to the front row, reserved for 10 minister's family-members, twice a Sunday, for 18 years. I doubt such a loss of being human, it's what it is to me at least, specially by being impenetrable, is what you're looking for. I've found out that it doesn't work for me, you know?

To me, it's not the stirrings and earthquakes that happen inside, but how and if I focus on them with resistance, anxiety or see them as clouds in the sky of my existence, the outcome of a weather forecast created by myself, if you get what I mean. It's a constant vigilance I find, without being too serious about it, throwing humor in the cauldron of my life, to see those clouds for what they are and gain insight in who I am by accepting them as my creations, my "kids" as it were. Your expectation in the quote here, to me, is the opposite of "Know thyself". Funny enough, you've already shared so much about yourself that is genuine, as I see it, that it seems to me that you "know thyself" very well, but that a part of you is having a hard time believing it. Know what I mean? Keep on trucking, don't lose the sun and moon in your face?

orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you B.B. The "Impenetrable Poker-Faced Strong-Silent" approach to life, the universe, and everything implies becoming inwardly sane and free -- in the context of an insane and enslaved world -- while remaining outwardly compliant to the Powers That Be (and their minions). Here is an exercise someone might wish to indulge in. Get a set of highlighters (with 10 different colors -- a different color for each of the Ten-Commandments). Then take a Holy Bible -- and go from Genesis to Revelation -- highlighting passages which involve the violation of one (or more) of the Ten-Commandments (in the commanding, execution, or prophecy of the violations). Be thorough and honest. That's all I'm going to say.

Carol wrote:

Dr. Michael Salla, Exopolitics.org 5-12-15… “Extraterrestrial alliance helps
secret space program overcome opposition to full disclosure”
https://kauilapele.wordpress.com/2015/05/12/currently-involved-on-other-projects-but-feel-free-to-read-this-from-michael-salla/

Corey Goode (aka GoodETxSG) has revealed more about his claimed contact experiences with a group of extraterrestrials called the Sphere Alliance that is cooperating with an alliance of secret space programs indigenous to Earth. He has earlier revealed that there are five secret space programs belonging to our current Earth civilization, as well as between five to seven space programs belonging to ancient human civilizations that are still operating. Several of these secret space programs indigenous to Earth make up what he calls the Secret Space Program (SSP) Alliance, which should not be confused with the Sphere Alliance which he claims comprise five different extraterrestrials races that are here to assist humanity deal with an upcoming “Event” that will change life dramatically on the planet.

Corey claims to have attended several off-planet meetings where three of these extraterrestrial races belonging to the Sphere Alliance, have appeared. The alien race which he has communicated with the most is called the Blue Avians – one of whom he met with as recently as this past weekend is called “Tear-Eir”. In addition to his recent contact experiences, Corey also claims to have earlier served, from 1987 to 2007 with several secret space programs as an Intuitive Empath. In an earlier question and answer email exchange, Corey described the five secret space programs as follows:

Solar Warden –  mainly focused on policing the Solar System and surrounding Star Clusters;
Interplanetary Corporate Conglomerate (ICC) – focused mainly on development and aquisition of technology by any means.
Dark Fleet – worked almost entirely outside the Sol System, Very Military (Offensive),
“NATO TYPE SSP” – Recently in Alliance Conferences they were referred to as the “League of Nations Program.”
Various Special Access Program SSP’s that were small, usually had the newer technology, very secretive and worked for some of the Secret Earth Governments

In his answers to my most recent questions sent by email (see below), Corey describes why the Solar Warden space program, the first program to be established in the contemporary era, was picked by the Sphere Alliance to be given technological assistance. The Solar Warden Program along with the other programs belonging to the SSP Alliance have been given advanced technologies to neutralize the prior technological advantage of “negative” or “service-to-self” groups described as the Cabal/Illuminati, Draco Reptilians, etc.

In addition, Corey addresses questions concerning the current political situation such as President Putin’s disappearance for 10 days (March 6-16) and the possibility that he secretly attended one of the Sphere Alliance meetings; President Obama’s March 12 comment about extraterrestrials controlling the US government; Pope Francis’ role with extraterrestrial disclosure; Edward Snowden acting with the tacit support of other NSA officials in releasing classified information; and the upcoming Sept 23 meeting between President Obama and Pope Francis.

It’s worth mentioning that at this stage Corey has not given any documentary evidence to support his incredible claims, nor has anyone else come forward to confirm their participation in alleged meetings involving the Sphere Alliance and the 10-12 Secret Space Programs indigenous to Earth. Nevertheless, Corey has had a number of researchers who have come forward claiming that anonymous insiders have confirmed that Corey did indeed serve with one or more Secret Space Programs. The most prominent among them is David Wilcock who has given a number of presentations where he cites his exhaustive efforts through his insider contacts with knowledge of secret space programs to confirm Corey’s background.

In my own case, I have heard from Randy Cramer (aka Captain Kaye) that what he has read so far of Corey’s testimony is consistent with his own 20 year experience with different secret space programs. In addition, to the similarities between Randy’s and Corey’s testimonies (described here), there are important similarities between Michael Relfe’s testimony of having served for 20 years on Mars in a secret space program from (1976-1996), and what Corey has revealed.

Finally, I found Corey’s knowledge of a Secret Space Program that can be traced to the Mayan civilization as very impressive given my own personal experiences with a representative from such a program who secretly approached me in 2010. As I wrote in an earlier article, this was powerful personal corroboration that Corey’s testimony is genuine. Combined with the corroborating testimonies from other whistleblowers involved in secret space programs, I highly recommend considering Corey’s testimony as quite possibly the most comprehensive revelation of secret space programs and extraterrestrial intervention to have emerged to date.[/center]

B.B.Baghor wrote:ortho's words: "I wish to move-on to Clean Sheet of Stone Solutions -- but History must be properly handled -- so as to provide a Sustainable Foundation for New Theologies and Philosophies. For me -- studying theology is sort of like the guy who hits himself over the head with a hammer -- because it feels so good when he quits!!"

Some parts of your posts, like the last sentence in this one above, could well fit in the Humour thread, ortho, You keep hitting the nail on its head, it seems, in your view on studying theology and other statements you make about how you manage and maintain your thread. If I've understood your explanations in your thread, ortho, your intention is to invite members and visitors here and to discuss its content and find understanding and clarity due to that.

Thank-you B.B. All of this involves a rarely achieved understanding of the world, solar system, and universe -- which I suspect "Top-People" understand very clearly. This is NOT a touchy-feely support-group. This is a royal-model walk on the wild-side!! It involves a lot of experience and experiences -- along with material provided by others. What people (and other than people) do with this is up to them.

I keep coming back at my trying to understand, what it is that you're looking for in your thread. I'm having a go at it and move forward, by groping and trying, no hunt for an answer as if the end of this discussion should be near. The question mark may remain in it, if you get what I mean. To me it looks like this, that you show up in your thread in two different ways (or roles, deliberately chosen?)

I guess I'm attempting to give substance to my suppositions. This discussion might never end. This is about Revelation and Mystery. A "Space-Cowboy" Individual of Interest spoke to me about "Mystery" in an approving manner. They also spoke about the "good-side" of Anna in "V" in an approving manner. They spoke to me about pre-cognition and remote-viewing (with military-applications). They spoke to me about who should "really run the world". They spoke to me about how UFO's work (something about gravity and always falling). They spoke of wishing to construct a UFO. They spoke of working with the Pentagon. They spoke to me about Orion. They reminded me of the "Cowboy" in Mulholland Drive.

At times you're the observer looking at its content from without, which seems to be the intention of the initial plan, with your US of the SS-Final Cut. At other times you're the person actively present in your thread, sharing your observations and feelings on how you see yourself doing and the probable futility of it in the eyes of others, as you seem to perceive may be the case.

I pretend to be someone I'm not -- to create a Science-Fictional Psycho-Drama -- to make points which could not otherwise be made. This mostly seems to have fallen on "deaf-ears". It's probably mostly a personal-exercise which I am sharing with a few alphabet-interns. I wonder how many of them have gone nuts? I'm actually being somewhat serious.

This seems to come from within you, ortho, as if it's felt that way, real time. If this is what you call "modelling", I can't say I understand what you mean by that and what it's purpose is. And besides, I'm not sure if that's what it is, ortho. Is it with the intention to share your large amount of documentation and views, to see if they're appreciated as subjects for a discussion? Without the need to find understanding, for this is already material that is understood by you?

It sometimes seems as if I am "Channeling-Myself". I sometimes imagine myself in important historical, contemporary, and prophetic roles -- so as to provide myself and others with rare-insights into the "Way Things Might've Been or Might Be" as the "Saddest Words That Fingers Can Type". I've actually found some remarkable evidences that I might be some sort of a "Significant Historical Soul" -- but I have no idea whether that would be a good-thing, or not. Some of my questions are rhetorical -- but most are inquisitive. I keep hoping that the right-individuals will systematically and exhaustively answer my many questions (here or in some other context).

Or is your need of understanding, with the help of discussions, that you welcome here? I risk wrapping conclusions around my questioning here, due to a groping for my understanding. Forgive me if that's perceived that way, by you, ortho. This is the thing, you see, we always have to deal with being at risk in misunderstanding, for the difficulty of only exchanging views in this virtual way. I can imagine there must be some sort of strong drive in you, connected to an urge to find a way to a life with purpose. To me, it seems to be like this, that you feel the clarity for finding it is present outside of you.

I doubt that I will find a "Purposeful-Life" in "Real-Life" so I am forced to construct a "Significant-Existence" in Cyberspace as some sort of a "Cyberspace-Cowboy". I am often forced to bring discussions from other threads into this thread -- so as to artificially manufacture conversation within this particular thread. I often seem to be "shunned" on this site -- and in "real-life".

To me, at times, there seems to have happened a reversal of priorities, in the way you handle your thread, as if the exploring and research that you do, have moved to the first position, as a goal in itself. For I see you asking questions, asking questions about the asked questions, ignoring investigations by others sometimes due to the insistent questioning popping up in you. At times, reading parts of your posts, I wonder if there are answers that will satisfy you, if they're searched for.

The Rare Responses by Others are often catalysts for further questioning and speculation. Most of the material on this thread is the work of others (ignored or otherwise). Responses are sometimes off-topic -- and I seek to stay on track -- which might appear to be ignoring various responders. Thinking deeply about the words of others does not always produce direct-responses from me. I'm sometimes a bit like a psychiatrist or psychologist asking leading questions. Jesus asked a lot of questions. Consider reading Jesus: An Interview Across Time by Dr. Andrew G. Hodges. http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Interview-Psychiatrist-Christs-Humanity/dp/0825427908

I truly wonder what will happen if you at any given moment will find an answer or give up this quest, quieting that mind of yours. I don't mean to suggest that you should stop posting, ortho, I simply wonder in what way your arrival at the end of your quest, feeling that you've found the answers you need, will affect you. Do you expect to feel you will miss the ponder and wonder, the multifaceted way of reflecting on topics that you express in your thread here in the Mists? It's a genuine question, I hope you will perceive it that way

The quest will probably become so dark and controversial that I will be forced to not talk about it publicly or privately. This thing might honestly end in tragedy and great sorrow. I'm NOT expecting a happy-ending.

"What the Hell Are We Going to do with Orthodoxymoron??!!"

orthodoxymoron wrote:I'm warming to the idea of staying right where I am -- writing books that have very little to do with my threads -- and just living a life of neo-minimalist quiet-desperation. I might remodel my house into some sort of a moon-base (on the inside) with solar-panels and orgone-blasters (on the outside)!! I might buy a Prius!! I might buy a top of the line PC with fast-internet (just for the coolness of it)!! I might build a small observatory onto my house (with a 16 inch Dobsonian) to look for UFO's!! I think I really need to master detailed and extensive research -- without saying, typing, or doing anything whatsoever!! But in the meantime -- consider yet another variation on previously-posted study-lists!!

1. Job through Malachi (KJV).
2. Luke through Jude (KJV).
3. Prophets and Kings (E.G. White).
4. Believe in the God Who Believes in You (R.H. Schuller).
5. 1928 Book of Common Prayer (and Liturgy).
6. Federalist Papers (and U.S. Constitution).
7. Sacred Classical Music.
8. King--Queen--Warrior--Banker--Judge Theme.
9. Medical--Military--Money Complex.
10. Prevention--Peace--Philanthropy Complex.

What if the "Real-Deal" invented "Almighty-God" to throw everyone off??!! What if "Almighty-God" is simply a "Sun-God Support-Group"??!! I am SO glad that I'm almost finished with my little reposting and editing project. It's going to be really nice to think -- without anyone knowing what I'm thinking -- because I won't be blurting out this and that brainstorm or intuition (and being hated for the effort). Who are you going to hate when I go silent?? You gotta hate someone -- don't you??? Will we attempt to assuage our existence-dissatisfaction with mutual-slaughter??!! You know -- the usual "to go to heaven we have to kill everyone who disagrees with us!!" Will this absurd-theater generate mutual-slaughter -- or will we just kill all the smart-people (who 'know too much')?? I'm going to immerse myself in the following material (which I have a rather difficult time sticking with for any length of time):

1. The 'Amen Ra' thread from the original and now closed Project Avalon site.
2. The two 'Red Pill' threads on this site.
3. The Courtney Brown free e-books on his site.
4. The Alex Collier free e-books.
5. The 'Holy Tablets'.
6. Various Egyptology books and sites.

In many respects, I really do not want to do this. There seems to be a HUGE mental-block. Could this be because of reincarnational-baggage or because various and sundry entities don't want me to exhaustively study this material? I have to exercise an extreme amount of discipline to try to deal with all of this. Perhaps there are some things I should simply leave alone. Perhaps there are some legitimate reasons why the societies are secret. My level of discomfort has been unbearable for most of my life -- and the materials listed above seem to make things a lot worse -- but I feel compelled to consider all of the possibilities -- regardless of the source -- and regardless of whether they make me (or anyone else) feel good about ourselves, or not. Unfortunately, I seem to ultimately make everyone (including me) hate me. I was told a very long time ago that 'giving people what they want, and telling them what they want to hear, is the way to go'. Perhaps this is why humanity has seemingly been ruled by secrecy and deception for thousands of years. Wasn't it Helena Blavatsky who said 'What is one to do, when to rule men, it is necessary to deceive them?!" Do we demand deception -- or do we gladly take the red pill? Here are some interesting posts by Brook and Lionhawk on the first 'Red Pill' thread. They are sequential, but might be separated by dozens of posts. They should write a book together. Siriusly.

Brook: "For those of you afraid to take the red pill...you might want to stop reading and participating in this thread now... as I've found from personal experience, that it will activate within you, if you let it...certain "knowings” that will surface at any given time. And in that knowledge, you may find it will not be everything you wanted to know. But then again remember...the truth will set you free. And in knowing the truth...remember you have free will...and can make choices accordingly.

That being said, I will start by recommending a thread that was started by Orthodoxymoron, who I might add was brilliant in his deduction from AV1, and as it progressed I believe it brought to light some things that will stimulate your way of thinking about the “Egyptian” folklore of the “gods” they worshiped, and the symbols now being currently used in the Illuminati scheme of things.

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18223&highlight=aman

Some would think that it is not necessary to delve into the past, as one member had mentioned. However to understand what might possible be the truth to much of what we deal with today..the symbolism in our faces daily if you look around.... It might be good to know what it all means...in the face of taking the red pill that is.

If you dig deep enough you might even see where our own DNA may possibly have been tampered with, and fragmented our sense of self and way of life as we know it now.

So I'd like to continue where some of the key points that triggered in me some “knowing” and see what input you all may have in these aspects of history and how it might have an effect on how we live today in the shadow of some of the great secrets that still to this day haunt us and most likely won't ever be known until we reach ascension and see the truth...or then again...you can take the red pill and dive in...see what you come up with …

so lets start off with one of the posts from that thread and look at Ptah....

Ptah

The origin of Ptah's name is unclear, though some believe it to mean 'opener' or 'sculptor'. As a god of craftsmen, the later is probably correct. He was a patron of the arts, protector of stone cutters, sculptors, blacksmiths, architects, boat builders, artists and craftsmen.

It was believed that Ptah created the heavens and the earth.

Ptah created the giant metal plate that was believed to be the floor of heaven and the roof of the sky, he also created the struts that upheld it. He created the universe by speaking words through his Tongue (linked to the god Thoth) and by thoughts coming from his Heart.

There came into being as the heart and there came into being as the tongue ...The mighty Great One is Ptah, who transmitted life to all gods, as well as to their kas... Thus it happened that the heart and tongue gained control over every other member of the body, by teaching that he, Ptah... is in every body and in every mouth of all gods, all men,and every thing that lives, by thinking and commanding everything that he wishes.

Thus the ka-spirits were made... by this speech... Thus were made all work and all crafts, the action of the arms, the movement of the legs, and the activity of every member, in conformance with this command which the heart thought, which came forth through the tongue, and which gives value to everything.

Ptah was a creator god, the third highest god in Egypt. He was the god presiding over the Second Egyptian month. From a local god of craftsmen to the deity who crafted the universe and the other deities, Ptah was only overshadowed by the sun god Ra, and the hidden god Amen. He fashioned the universe through words of power and by thought, as well as creating different parts by hand. He helped the dead on their travels through the afterlife, allowing them to transform into his divine figure, or by building the boats on which they could travel. He was the one who allowed the dead to be like the living after death

Sounds like a pretty powerful guy to me...in all of this legend and metaphor.

As on member brought to my attention in post number 277
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=220944&postcount=277

What did the Masons know? It is clearly worship of Ptah....but was he really such a good “God”? He is clearly worshiped in Egyptian folklore as a “God of Creation” ….stressing the word “creation”....what exactly did he create that should be worshiped in such “glory” for the Masons to revere? Then you clearly have a statue of Ptah with scales...

And what about the Merkaba.....
Mer... meant a kind of light that rotated within itself

Ka ....meant spirit, in this case referring to the human spirit

Ba.... meant the human body — though it also could mean the concept of Reality that spirit holds

And so the entire word in ancient Egypt referred to a rotating light that would take the spirit and the body from one world into another.....

Then you have Thoth...that's one for the records.....and if you read the Emerald Tablets...you see sparks of truth....also sparks of manipulation to a way of thinking that sounds very much like much of the “new wave” line of hypnosis....not to say there is not truth there...but in reading the Emerald tablets that are published....you might find yourself getting a slight to moderate headache....triggering something of a remembrance....or could it be a trigger to forget.....but of what? It certainly triggered me....and opened up a flood gate of things that seemed to fit into a neat little conspiracy in and of itself. More questions then answers from the Egyptian “history” that we seem to get. There are still many “secrets” out there left to be uncovered...and on a global scale, I think if enough people got “triggered” in their own “knowing” of what the truth is...it may just astound you...and set the history books a blaze.

So for now have a look at some of the information on that thread..and soon enough I will add more. I really wish ODM was here to add...as he was very in tune with it..but we all have a past here to look at the truth. And many of you hold a “key” of knowing...so let the triggers begin. Namaste."

lindabaker: "Lionhawk: Forgive me if I am repeating a question that has been asked of you in previous forums. Tell us how you know all of this very interesting information, if you don't mind doing so. Are you an immortal who can remember a lot, or are you someone who has access to historical records previously unknown to most earth people? If the discs are not gold, what is their composition? By duplicates, do you mean discs that also work, kind of like burning another music cd? Why do the discs I see in my dreams look to be the size of large oranges? When will the information on the discs be revealed, and by whom, and where? What will the reaction be, do you think? Which Star family are you aligned with? Is your alignment with the Christ Energy, and if not, which alignment best describes your position?"

Lionhawk: "Calling me out, eh? No worries. When I look back on Av1 and Av2, I guess what I got hammered with most was where did I get my training. Simply because I think I scared some individuals with what I had revealed. How was I able to penetrate the secrets of those who had hidden agendas that participated on those forums? I never did answer the question simply because I felt it was a trap to do so. Plus, they wouldn't understand the answer even if I gave it to them. All I can say is I am who I am because I chose to be. Now that might sound like an egotistical statement, but without my ego I would be a blank. I am like the many who seek the real truth and will expose it when everything is in such alignment to do so. I also use what is in my toolbox by that I mean what spiritual tools I do have. Copy and paste is not a spiritual tool.

Where I get my information in regards to Egypt is not from the Internet. It is so packed full of lies, that if I did use that information, I would be caught red handed in seconds and probably burned at a stake somewhere.

Let me just say that I am from the Orion sector. My star lineage is the Family of An. Pronounced "on." It is the middle Star of Orion's Belt. EL-AN-RA. I am an Angelic in the Warrior Cast from that sector. Mother Mary, as far as lineages go, is my Mother. She has many sons and daughters and I am simply one of them. She informed me of this 2 years ago at my house in Florida in the kitchen. She said I was one of her Royal sons and wondered what had happened to me. I also know as of this moment why she stated that. Till very recently, her visit troubled me and I couldn't figure out why. Then she visited me once again and it was a very sad visit, as she had apparently gone to find out what had happened to me and why I was off her radar for so long, after her first visit. It all fits now as I have so much recall as to what had occurred and why she said what she said. Yes, Jesus is my brother. I am very proud to have a brother who has accomplished so much and who continues to serve in his present capacity. He is one of the commanders of the real Galactic Federation. Also let us not confuse him with a replica provided by the darkside called Lord Sananda, who serves as their version of Jesus of their copy and pasted Galactic Federation. You know the one where all the channeled messages come from.

How this recall occurred, is also an interesting story. As it turns out I had done it to myself and did such a good job at it. Somewhere, I had taken half of myself and gave it amnesia. There was a very important reason to do so. Reminds me of Claudia Black that did something similar to serve on a mission on the SG-1 series. Don't remember the episode. Of course there was a trigger word that would snap me out of it. That word was spoken to me on February 11th of this year by my mate. Everything changed at that moment. It was my name back in those Egyptian days. Mind you I didn't say I was Egyptian.

In any regard, I discovered that I had married into the Feline Race. That's how I ended up and why I have a current affiliation with them in the present. The marriage came about from two life streams from two separate countries, where both got involved with each other because of these discs. That involvement grew and became a sacred union as in such a way that had never been experienced before on the Earth. It was so profound as that sacred union also represented the unconditional love they had for each other and for the entire Earth and all of her people to such an extent that the Creator took notice and said that this sacred union would be used as a template in this Universe to go by in terms of unconditional love. This was a wonderful occasion where the Mother Mary linage and the Feline lineage came together in oneness. It was also sounded across the Universe so it is well known by other races as well. So if there is anyone out there who has any doubts as to what I have thus far written, feel free to get off your chair and find the answers. If you are all that connected to these other races that is.

These two life streams were obviously killed by the corrupt Draconian figure heads of those distant times in Egypt. Not necessarily for what they did to create a new universal template, but for defying the power elite's will. If they could not use you, consider yourself dead. That thought pattern still exists today. But when it all went down, these Bastards found out that they couldn't use everybody.

In the present, I am now living with a whole remembered heart. I am fully activated in the physical. I pay attention to many things now that I use to take for granted. For instance two butterflies flying through the air at incredible speeds, never extending more than a few inches from each other as they are flying through an area full of birds and predatory insects, celebrating their union with each other in flight. Also no fear. The one I married back then is the one I am with now. We are still married as we never allowed our love to be compromised by anyone or anything, even though they may have killed us at different times. William Wallace you say.....or did I say that? hahahhahhaa!!

The above Coat of Arms is where the trail jumped from Egypt to Scotland. Talk about triggers from Egypt. And you may wonder how it has anything to do with William Wallace. To be brief, these two love birds incarnated into this time line. My name was Alexander MacDougall and although I was married and had a castle, I also had a mistress, hidden in the hillside. This mistress was my sacred love. Her name was Isadora and she originated from Norway. She was murdered by some reptilian thugs. 4 of them attacked her while on route to help my son, John. Thus, her death started my new career in head loping. Talk about getting on a Karmic bicycle. I was also allied at this time with William Wallace against Robert the Brus. Also notice in the coats of arms, the lions and the ships. In other coat of arms you will also find the dragons. Again, it comes down to the conflict of the lions vs. the dragons.

Not to get out of topic here, but this thread is also about triggers. And if you were to look in your present life in the past, you will see things that came up and said here I am for a split second. As in how you might be drawn to an image or something that was said that ringed something within you. All these little rings bounced around for years and I never found an explanation for them until Feb. 11th 2010. All these little reminders fell into place. The little things that made you curious in that moment that you couldn't explain as to why it rang something inside you. Like maybe why you might had a curiosity about a certain figure in history but couldn't explain it.

All I can say is that I had thought my life to have been blessed before and now I look upon it as miraculous. It has taken a lot of inner work to get here but it has been worth it. Granted the inner work never seems to stop but I can relax a little bit now as I know things will be slightly easier. If you do the work you will find that your story is an amazing one. Also make note that I am not trying to put myself on any kind of stage here. I am just sharing it and I left a lot out. So for the ones that might have pithy comments, spare me. It isn't because I am the one who is insecure. I say what I just said so that I don't have to deal with your insecurities and I am sure there are others out there who are sick of that old record as well. I think we should spend more time celebrating those who are getting there instead of the bashing from those who are either jealous or just lack, period. You have to earn it, for yourself.

So I leave this here. I hope I answered more than you questioned Linda."

orthodoxymoron: "Wow Lionhawk! Your posts always floor me! Can you tell me if Reptilian Beings have Human Souls? OR -- do Human Beings have Reptilian Souls? Are we all Human/Reptilian Hybrids --- with various percentage differentials? Are Greys really Reptilians? Do Humans, Reptilians, and Greys have more in common than we think? Is most of this madness homegrown --- going back thousands of years --- right here on Earth --- mostly in North Africa and the Southwestern United States? Is the U.S. really the 'Head of the Snake'? Do the Underground Bases and the City States constitute the Biblical Babylon? Is Lucifer the Whore of Babylon? 'What fate Omoroca?' (Stargate SG-1 'Fire and Water') Nuff said!"

Lionhawk: "There he is! Good to see you old friend! Always wondered where you went. I know many disappeared for awhile and justly so. Often thought as to what you found in your digging of the truth. You have been missed. Again, great to see you once again.  

As far as flooring you, I will humbly take that as a compliment. But I'm not out here trying to floor anyone. Personally I think we are all basically truth seekers and we all have an individual way about going about it. Of course the cheap version of the truth is the copy and pasted version. Using only materials that someone researched and wrote out without doing any footwork to support their point of view.

The better version is finding an idea and pursuing it and then write down what you found. The process of proving it out in real time. How many books have we read where someone just took pieces of information and just pieced a book together? Without any experience being applied or melded in the book. Originality is the best way to go about sharing ideas and working out the puzzles that comprise the truth.

As to your questions, I will say I am no expert or an authority of other factions soul make ups. In my opinion however, I think the soul is of the same stuff across the board and it is whether how much light is allowed to shine by the free will of that soul or the choices that soul has made, regardless of the species it represents. Or the polarity.

What is most disturbing is how these Dracs have cheated DEATH. Most systems that I am aware of have a death cycle or a transition cycle. Usually there is a station where the soul goes back to and gets debriefed and adjustments are made and new lessons are given and the soul starts again on another quest. These Dracs have found a way to by pass that and have their own place or station as it were, to re spawn with full memory of who or what they were previously. In part, the technology in Egypt was used to do this. Now I also know there are other aliens who have done this but most of them know of a higher consciousness is present and honor the processes in an alignment with a God presence. The Dracs only honor their own presence. Everything and every life form is considered below them. So when I hear that there are good reptilians out there, I always end up asking where.

The greys are even a mystery. I think the government has a limited view point on them as well. Simply because they want to compartmentalize these beings. From what I have gathered, there are at least 20 species of this form out there. Not just the 4 types that have been revealed by government sources.

I have already given you in the past what has happened to Lucifer. That wasn't something made up. It also hasn't changed as to what he chose for himself. It's a done deal. One that I was allowed to witness. That event just amazed me as to the Creator's level of grace that he/she exercises. It is unlimited. It also showed me how deep the Creator's love goes for all of his/her creations no matter what they have experienced in this Universe, good or bad. No matter what polarity or frequency, these souls have chosen to experience.

This thread is a prime example of what I have mentioned in the above. Or the contents there of. And please don't feel like I dissed you by not answering all of your questions as some of those questions could apply in another thread and not here. I say that out of respect for what Brook is trying to accomplish in this thread.

Glad you are here ODM!"

Brook: "....spreading light on "dark secrets" is what I plan on doing with this post. You will not find this information in history books, or on the internet in the form of revealed "secrets" of the PTB. Some light has been shed on speculation of such...but the true nature of exactly what happened has virtually been erased....as was the continent of Atlantis, and Lumaria. All that is left is what some might tap into, and how much of that was filtered? Oh for sure there is truth in many of the stories of these kinds....and the puzzle is being slowly put together. So I will provide a piece of that puzzle here now. The role played by some key characters...and what the truth is about the story's they put forth...to get you to believe in something quite different.

One small but rather important piece that only the players themselves would be able to share...but as of yet have not....mainly because...the lies have overshadowed the truth. I have tapped into that truth.....and as such would be labeled a "loon" by the very ones that would see this story remain undiscovered. And for a very long time, I was afraid to share this....for the reason of safety...a fear program.......and because my emotional body was not ready to deal with such exposure, and the nature of the very concepts it surrounds. I have since overcome that emotion...and can now share what it is I have to reveal.....a small portion of the truth that you all have the right to know. And the role of the "players"...and where they stood in all of this.

So lets start with some "key" players.....

Thoth...lineage..pure reptilian...Annunaki

Ptah...lineage...pure reptilian...Annunaki

Osiris....lineage....hybrid....Annunaki, feline....of the "royal" bloodline, earth based

Set...lineage....hybrid....annunaki, feline....of the "royal" bloodline, earth based

Isis.....lineage....hybrid....feline, earth based ...of direct decent...mother Sekhemt...of the royal lineage....and direct genetic coding to the discs and "throne"

Ra.....lineage.....sirian.....hybird.....of "Sun" decent....NOT ANNUNAKI....and in charge of operations here on earth, to oversee the Sirian feline earth based seeding.

So a marriage...to create a royal blood line....with direct connection to the "Discs", and the "throne"....between Osiris and Isis....set up by Ptah...who is now in control of operations.....a very bad marriage at that. Not the wonderful one painted in history. In fact..the so called "sister" of Isis....was nothing more than a story...she was actually a mistress to Osiris...and Isis had take her under her wing....to protect her. It also gave Isis the relief of having to be with Osiris...who she detested. Isis had no such sister....but took on Nephthys as a sister...and taught her how to do many things...one of which was how to tolerate Osiris.

As the story would have you believe.....Isis gathered together the pieces of Osiris with her "sister"...leaving out one piece...very appropriate....the phallus. She claimed the fish ate it......Now that's a fish story! and then she created the "book of the dead". to resurrect Osiris...and created a phallus of "sand" and impregnated herself with his seed to create Horus.

Oh boy...here goes....the truth is this.....in that tomb of Osiris...a meeting took place. Sekhemt, Ra and Isis.....the egg of Sekhmet the sperm of Ra were joined and Isis was made a surrogate of a "royal bloodline"...not of the Osiris, Hybrid....reptilian line but the feline sun lineage....and was made to be the watcher for Ra...the "eye of Horus" was a symbol of Ra...also know as the "Eye of Ra".....and Sekhmet...to watch over the goings on from the direct meddling of the Annunaki. And to carry on the line of those who were directly involved in the technology that had been stolen, and used to create for lack of a better term..."abominations"...of what should have been our direct connection to mother earth, and our universal lineage. Rather then fragmenting us and creating a "slave race"...to be multiplied and used for the purposes that you now hear of..that many have tapped into that truth and are now seeing...but few know how it came about...the actual deeds that created this time line...not the one that source intended.

Have you all stopped yet to think...what became of Isis? How did she die? did she really carry on to give all of these so call "channeling s" that are so prevalent on the internet and in the "new age" community? And if so....why don't you hear this story? And how come you don't hear of her "passing" as you do of Osiris? And what of this story that Horus is Jesus?....Isis is Mary?.....not hardly.

There is however a connection to that story. Another surrogate....Mary...named after the Mother Mary lineage.....surrogate to Jesus.....brought here to tell some truth....through a similar fashion as Horus. Propagated by the felines....but Jesus is not Feline.....the only connection is the cooperation of the geneticists...the Felines that helped with his birth. And the link..is the Star of Sirius.....cooperation to recreate where Horus failed...because Horus was found out...and challenged by his brother Set. Brother Set you say????? Wait....Set was the brother of Osiris......Caught them in another lie didn't we? Set the one that murdered Osiris...now after Horus.....a power hungry one he was....And Osiris...the brother of Isis?...........only in the sense that the lineage of a hybrid brought that in true form.....Remember...Osiris..hybrid....reptilian, feline..and earth based being......but not the sister of Isis in any form...other then the feline lineage that they wanted to keep in line with the genetic coding

And what of Isis? Where did she disappear to? Death ...at the hands of Ptah....who was furious with her, for reasons I will not share here..just yet anyway. But when one does not cooperate with a reptilian....at that time....it's death in a snake pit...and that was her end.....only to be remembered by those who had stories to tell of here visits..to such places as Greece. and with her she would bring the most extraordinary gifts.

Now you are probably wondering how I can relate such a story...and where the information came from. did I channel it?....not really.....but that is something I will not share on a forum. However, I will tell you I have validation.....and that I will not share on a forum either.

There are many more parts to this story....this is only a small but significant part. There are the Discs....and other factions involved...and this story would make "Gone with the Wind"...look like a child's book."

"I know you're out there...I can feel you now. I know that
you're afraid. You're afraid of us, you're afraid of
change...I don't know the future...I didn't come here to
tell you how this is going to end, I came here to tell you
how this is going to begin. Now, I'm going to hang up
this phone, and I'm going to show these people what you
don't want them to see. I'm going to show them a world
without you...a world without rules and controls, without
borders or boundaries. A world...where anything is possible."

Consider reading 1. 'The Gods of Eden' by William Bramley. 2. 'Rule by Secrecy' by Jim Marrs. 3. 'The Great Controversy' by Ellen White. 4. Behold a Pale Horse' by Bill Cooper. Try reading them side by side. I don't place a lot of faith in any one source, but I have been passively exposing myself to a lot of 'fringe' material, and then attempting to approximate hidden-realities with Political and Theological Science-Fiction. I continue to think that the universe is full of dark and absurd realities. I don't think the universe is a 'nice' place. I used to think that the problems were isolated within this Prison Planet in Rebellion, filled with Fallen Human Beings (contaminated with Original Sin) -- but I have been considering a lot of dark possibilities and probabilities beyond this little world -- and they are frankly scaring the hell out of me. I really think we might be on the brink of extinction (from a variety of sources -- including ourselves). I listen to people like L. Ron Hubbard with a Boatload of Salt -- but I still listen -- for bits and pieces of the puzzle. I would never become a Scientologist -- and I no longer attend any church -- but this doesn't mean that I stopped thinking about Gods, Angels, and Demons. 'Aliens' might include all three. We really don't know much about life, the universe, and everything -- with absolute certainty. I simply think we should consider as many possibilities as possible -- with open yet critical minds.

I spend an excessive amount of time in nature -- and in researching and reflecting -- with absolutely nothing to show for it. I'm simply attempting to think about life, the universe, and everything -- in some rather unconventional ways -- while posting bits and pieces of this madness on the internet -- without making a big-deal about it. I tend to think that more people should do this -- but that they should be prepared to experience profound disillusionment and emotional-spiritual trauma. This is probably the cost of doing business. I have been considering a lot of dark possibilities and idealistic solutions -- yet I don't know much of anything for certain. Therefore, I don't shout my thoughts from the peaks of the 'Seven Hills of Rome' -- although I bet some Vatican types secretly laugh at my strange humor...

I keep getting the feeling that the Real PTB can cause just about anything to happen (or not happen). If they wish to save someone -- they can do it -- no matter how bad that person is. If they wish to crucify someone -- they can do it -- regardless of how innocent that person is. If they're out to get you -- anything you say and/or do can (and will) be used against you. Things can be slanted in any direction if one has the money, power, and personnel to manipulate and maneuver things. I've tried to be a "Possibility-Thinker" -- but I think some have misrepresented this approach as being "Indecisive". I also get the feeling that I have been misrepresented as being some sort of an "Evil-Being". I have no idea if the shoe fits in previous-lives -- but I am simply a crazy, mixed-up, completely-ignorant fool in this incarnation. I have suggested some revolting possibilities -- but I have no idea what the ultimate truth is concerning life, the universe, and everything. I'm not a "True-Believer". I'm not an "Atheist or Agnostic". I'm a "Possibility-Thinker" (which involves considering some of the most upsetting and ridiculous possibilities). This is simply "Intellectual-Honesty". But this approach leaves one wide-open to all sorts of nasty and nefarious attacks and harangues. I would be an absolute and complete disaster in a debate or press-conference. I still think I could attend the most upsetting meetings without going nuts or causing a scene. I really just want to disappear (without being harmed). Please remember that most of my internet-posting was a speculative-fantasy -- and that none of it should be taken too seriously -- regardless of whether the speculations and suggestions approximated reality or not. Just treat all of it as Pseudo-Intellectual Religious and Political Science-Fiction.

I wish for society to be reformed -- but I do NOT wish for bad-things to happen to people and/or property. But once again -- I get the sinking-feeling that everything I say and do (good or bad) can (and will) be used against me. I keep getting the horrible-feeling that governance and salvation are at stake -- but I certainly don't know the details. I simply suspect that there is no "right-answer". I do NOT wish to be a pawn in some sick Armageddon-Scenario. I desire some sort of a "Solar-System Trial" -- but I do NOT desire a "Final Holy-War". Once again -- I am NOT a "Fire and Brimstone Kind of Guy". I am a "Law and Order Kind of Guy". A "One-Thousand Law Solar-System Law-Book" might be an excellent place to begin -- but I certainly wouldn't know how to go about formulating such a monumental-document. I'm NOT a fan of current Cannon-Law -- but I think that the basic-idea has merit. Such a law-book might ultimately be called "The Perfect Laws of the Lord". Wouldn't THAT just chap everyone's @$$??!! Too Bad. How many laws presently exist within this solar-system?? Is the Torah temporary and local -- or everlasting and universal?? If one carefully reads Job through Malachi -- how much of Genesis through Esther -- and Matthew through Revelation -- are legitimized, substantiated, prophesied, or otherwise required?? Do we really need to seek a Clean-Sheet of Stone Solar-System Standard?? I tend to think so. However -- I think that Sacred-Scripture should be carefully and prayerfully studied by all-concerned -- but I question applying Ancient-Scripture directly to Modernity. I think Dr. A. Graham Maxwell was correct in suggesting that the Holy-Bible be read from Genesis through Revelation -- straight-through -- over and over -- to be properly understood -- rather than relying upon the "Proof-Text" Method of "Here a Little -- There a Little -- to Make It Say Whatever We Want". Anyway -- Jade Helm could be made to be just about anything the Real PTB want it to be. These Guys and Gals leave very little to chance -- and they play for keeps. Don't underestimate them -- especially if they are "cornered" as the world gets smaller and smaller -- faster and faster. I continue to think that EVERYONE might get left in the dust by the changes taking place in this solar-system at this time. I mostly just wish to listen, watch, and attempt to keep-up. Hope Springs Eternal. Namaste and Godspeed.

burgundia wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:Back in the "Good Old Days" I pretty-much limited my controversial-exposure to 60 Minutes -- Crossfire -- Nightline -- 20-20 -- Rush Limbaugh -- and Art Bell. Now, there is an "Information-Overload" which even full-time researchers probably can't even begin to keep-up with. I fear that most people will drown in information (much of which might be pure unmitigated poppycock). It will be very interesting (and even frightening) to see how the Info-War plays-out.

"I'm Your New Research-Assistant, Oxy! Nice 600 Square-Foot Office-Apartment!"

B.B.Baghor wrote:Thank you for highlighting this SaLuSa material, ortho. Just to understand you better, is your encounter with the people who were followed by an UFO and had after-death encounters, in a way connected to the SaLuSa messages?

There is no connection (as far as I know) -- other than being supernatural and otherworldly. This thread is just a big melting-pot of strange roads-less-traveled. There is a basic theme -- but I try not to get into harangue-mode. I just seem to make everyone angry with my irreverent and questioning approach -- as I search for solutions which might ultimately benefit everyone.

I've always paid attention to those messages by SaLuSa, for I feel an energy of loving kindness in them. I'm, like you, no devotee or disciple, of beings or organizations. I fell in the cauldron of religion and had enough of the magic potion for the remaining part of my life I found that the general view on our soul-purpose/journey, by SaLuSa, is similar to the one in the message by Jeshua, I posted today. In the Mercedes Kirkel thread.

B.B.Baghor wrote:

Christ's face in window Presbyteran Church Albany
Photo by David Hinchen

Received by Mercedes Kirkel On February 5, 2015

Yeshua: What I wish to bring forth is very simple, perhaps not easy, but nonetheless simple. It is about healing.

There is really only ever one healing, which is the healing of separation from God. All other healing is a variation upon that, a certain frequency within that, which an individual may be more open to receiving in a particular moment. Ultimately, it does not matter if someone is healed physically or not. Certainly we care about others. Certainly our heart wishes others to be in their wellness, in their wholeness. Yet there are times, quite a few times, when it is pain that draws someone to God. So the healing is never about relieving pain or suffering. The healing is about relieving separation from God.

You cannot necessarily tell this to people, unless they are ready to hear it, because they won’t understand. You may choose to offer healing of pain or suffering, and that may support someone in their path of coming closer to God. But ultimately, it is not your job to relieve anyone of pain. Your job is to fulfill your path of offering your gifts and service—to God and to the world—in the way that is most right for you. Then let go of the results because the results are divinely orchestrated. You are playing your part in this divine orchestra.

This is what I wish to offer. Are there any questions you wish to ask?

Question: In my particular case, is doing healing work one of the possible things that helps me to fully express my soul?

Yeshua: You will always know what helps you to express your soul because the things your soul is choosing for its expression are the things that connect you to God. So this is the measure you can use to determine if something is your path. Ultimately, you do healing for yourself, because it is your path to do so and by following your path you are connecting to God. It is your connection to God that serves others, more than anything you do to alter their circumstance. Your connection to God helps them most directly to connect to God. If healing is the pathway through which you can offer that, then that is your path. If chewing bubble gum is the pathway through which you can offer that, that is your path. It does not matter.

Questioner: I also feel close to God through gardening.

Yeshua: Yes. And there are all sorts of ways that you bless the Earth and all the people on the Earth through every touch of the Earth. There are infinite ways to serve. It is all about your connection to God and what lights you up, what brings your joy, what brings you passion—which is simply the energy of God filling you.

Questioner: (crying) That’s what I miss the most about my daughter [who died]. I felt like the love of God would shine through her eyes. Almost immediately after she died, I realized I’m left here on Earth to create that, without having it be for her.

Yeshua: Yes, you are understanding perfectly.

Questioner: The beauty that I saw in her was just God’s love shining through.

Yeshua: Absolutely. That is all there is. That is all this realm consists of. Any being stays in this realm until they realize that and become God’s light themselves. Then they are ready to leave and continue in another realm.

Questioner: My mother, in her dementia, has been screaming out that she was abused when she was younger. The doctors are wondering if this really happened, but I have no proof. Can you tell me if this actually happened?

Yeshua: You are not understanding what’s happening correctly.

The mind is a filter. The mind filters out the vast amount of information contained in your whole universe, which is the kind of information that exists in the Akashic Record—the information of everything. This would totally overwhelm beings and they would be nonfunctional if they received all this information. So the mind filters this out. When someone has dementia, they are losing their filter. So your mother is opening up to massive amounts of information that may be hers and may be others’.

Ultimately, it does not matter if this happened to her or did not happen to her, if it happened to her in this lifetime or if it happened to her in another lifetime. It does not matter. It is her reality now. She is experiencing this now. So you should relate to her as though this is what’s happening now. Give her the exact response you would give her if this were definitely the truth and her real situation—because it is, for her.

She may very well need healing. I would say she definitely needs compassion and a safe space to express her pain. Support her in expressing her pain and allow her to do so. Let her know, “Yes, yes, I hear how much pain you’re in, how painful and awful that must have been. Is there more you want to share?” Let her share. And help her, just as you would if this had happened recently.

I offer you my deepest, fullest blessings".

2015 Mercedes Kirkel, http://www.mercedeskirkel.com, All Rights Reserved. Permission is given to share this message as long as the message is posted in its entirety, nothing has been changed or altered in any way, and Mercedes Kirkel’s credit of authorship, this copyright notice, and Mercedes Kirkel’s website (http://www.mercedeskirkel.com) are included. To receive ongoing messages from Mary Magdalene and others, go to http://www.mercedeskirkel.com and sign up for the Into The Heart weekly newsletter.

orthodoxymoron wrote:My focus on the concept of the Science-Fictional Hybrid-Queen is somewhat reflective of Lilith -- Isis -- the Queen of Sheba -- the Black Madonna -- Cleopatra -- and Mary Magdalene. I tend to gravitate toward the Mean-Queen Theme. What Would Bloody-Mary Do?? Do you really wanna know??? I am presently very-open and very-skeptical toward just about everyone and everything -- including most of the material I post on "my" thread. Anybody can write or say just about anything. A lot of religious stuff is very difficult (or even impossible) to verify. Lawyer-Like Theologians and Preachers can slant things in a most dishonest and nefarious manner. A channeled religious-figure could really be some demonic-entity (for all anyone knows). I honestly don't know if I am fundamentally good or bad (especially in previous incarnations). Life is really a big annoying question-mark for me. I have a particular editorial-slant -- but I am even skeptical of that. I have no idea how much I think and say is representative of the way things really are. No idea at all. I'm presently reading a book about Mary Magdalene by Lynn Picknett. It's quite fine -- but I'm reading it with a Dead-Sea of Salt. http://www.amazon.com/Mary-Magdalene-Lynn-Picknett/dp/0786713119/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1426017841&sr=8-1&keywords=lynn+picknett Tradition and history have made of her "the other Mary." Even in the New Testament Mary Magdalene stands among women second only to Mary the Mother, albeit she has been reduced by the biblical Gospels to little more than a fallen woman redeemed by Jesus. In the Gnostic Gospels, however, Magdalene figures almost as significantly as Christ, who names her "the woman who knows all." The conflicting accounts of Mary Magdalene have sent best-selling author Lynn Picknett on a quest for the truth that has led her to the thirteenth-century cult of the Black Madonna, then back to Christianity's beginnings and earlier. Tracing Mary's name to Magdala in Egypt, Picknett learns that the term Magdal-eder means "tower of the flock," or Good Shepherd, a title also given to Jesus Christ. Based on her explorations into new scholarship on recently discovered Gnostic texts, Picknett finds a vital partnership between Jesus and Mary that synthesized Eastern and Egyptian mysticism and that promulgated gender equality, anointing rites, and sexual rituals. In that relationship, she discovers an alliance that Christ's Apostles and, later, the Catholic Church strove ardently to suppress. Picknett's revelations rarely fail to provoke at least a reconsideration of long-accepted church doctrine.

B.B.Baghor wrote:

ortho's words: "I'm presently reading a book about Mary Magdalene by Lynn Picknett. It's quite fine -- but I'm reading it with a Dead-Sea of Salt"

Your sense of humor is priceless, ortho, at least you can read the book while floating, on the sea of tears, in laughter or sadness

On my part, regarding my way of dealing with such messages like in this thread and other channeled material, or those on ET existence, intraterrestrial beings, from hands on experience, astral traveling or through hearing voices, also views from all kind of sources on global affairs of all 13 kinds, I usually make sense of them, when I feel I can relate to the content, feeling touched by it in a good way. And inspired, uplifted or heart-warmed.

I've made it a habit, to explore at least 5 sources of a certain piece of information, comparing and making sense of it or not. Grains of salt are very useful, also having them near, when reading my sometimes bold statements. I mean the style, not the content, This statement is an example of what I mean, throwing confusion in for those who can read between my/the lines.

I try to study various approaches without becoming submissive to particular personalities and/or power-structures -- but this is not fundamentally rebellious in nature. I'm honestly attempting to positively-reinforce everyone and everything -- even if it doesn't seem like it.

If I may ask, ortho, was your encounter with the being (or beings?) with the name of an Ancient Egyptian Deity, in person, or did it occur in the astral realms? That first blue spaceship-deck picture in your post looks great, that "window with a view". What a view!

It was in-person over several months. It was rather interesting and intense. I have repeatedly featured this close-encounter throughout this thread -- but I haven't made a great-big deal about it. A visitor or casual-observer would probably miss it altogether. I'd like to travel the cosmos in a spaceship -- but the price of admission might be way too high -- and I strongly advise against getting into a UFO. The Ancient Egyptian Deity was a Guardian of the Galaxy kind of guy -- and I'm NOT kidding!!

B.B.Baghor wrote: ortho, I hear you clearly, though this may be of not much help, for to me, you seem a bit far out... of hearing distance. It's hard to follow you, but you make yourself heard alright! It seems your mind is so much in turmoil, that it's hard for you to discern your own voice, not the one shouting here. If I may say this, we all long for this....... being heard. For crying out loud!!! It's our birthright, to be valued through our lives. In the first seconds of our life, we make ourselves heard, we cannot do otherwise. For what it's worth to you, ortho, for truth is.... showing new faces each day, these days, or so it seems, maybe that's why what you're looking for seems to be elusive to you, I believe that we need to listen to our own voice first, from within. The one who's patiently waiting for you, me, us, to shut up and listen. For a change.

Carol wrote:

http://exopolitics.org/secret-space-war-halts-as-extraterrestrial-disclosure-plans-move-forward/

Large scale hostilities in an undeclared war being fought in deep space, Mars and on Earth between two secret space program alliances have come to a temporary halt according to the latest in a series of disclosures by secret space program whistleblower, Corey Goode (aka GoodETxSG). In part one of his responses to a new set of questions (see below), Corey describes a complex planetary situation involving multiple space programs, both modern and ancient, and extraterrestrial civilizations in a struggle for dominance over how much information and technology will be released to the rest of surface humanity. For some, Corey’s disclosures are a product of fertile imagination appropriate for a coming Star Wars episode. There is good reason, however, to seriously consider Corey’s information as possibly the most comprehensive disclosures ever to emerge of what is really happening behind the scenes in the most highly classified space programs taking place on Earth and our solar system.

According to Corey, on the one side of the conflict is a positive (service-to-other) Secret Space Program (SSP) Alliance comprising the first secret space program created by the U.S. military, “Solar Warden,” and its allies, a number of ancient human space programs and friendly human-looking extraterrestrial races that is genetically linked to humanity. The “SSP Alliance” essentially wants surface humanity to learn the truth about its ancient space programs, extraterrestrial visitation, and free energy technologies. Most significantly, the SSP Alliance wants to put an end to an exploitative global financial system that has economically enslaved much of humanity.

read more at link above

Jenetta wrote: (Carol) According to Corey, on the one side of the conflict is a positive (service-to-other) Secret Space Program (SSP) Alliance comprising the first secret space program created by the U.S. military, “Solar Warden,” and its allies, a number of ancient human space programs and friendly human-looking extraterrestrial races that is genetically linked to humanity. The “SSP Alliance” essentially wants surface humanity to learn the truth about its ancient space programs, extraterrestrial visitation, and free energy technologies. Most significantly, the SSP Alliance wants to put an end to an exploitative global financial system that has economically enslaved much of humanity.
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(Jenetta) Its hard to know who to believe in regards to this "Solar Warden" secret space programme.  Cobra has a different take...apparently Solar Warden and the Corporate space programs on Mars were interconnected and were originally developed from the Nazi Secret Space Program.  See paragraph below in bold type. What really bothers me is that humanity is long overdue to knowing it's true history and no one needs to be "screwed" by more disinformation.

CobraFree the Colonies! Update and Videos

Free the Colonies! activation is coming soon. In order for people to have more understanding about the situation in our Solar System, I will explain a few things about various breakaway civilizations and their space programs.

In late Atlantean times, both Light and dark forces were openly present on the surface of the planet. When this planet was occupied by the Chimera and the Archons 26,000 years ago, all other interest groups with any significant power were forced to leave the surface and literally go underground.

The Light forces have then built their own network of underground cities and this network was holding the Light for the planet in the last 26,000 years. In various modern intel sources, this network is called the Agartha network, the Shambala, the underground kingdom of Light…

The dark forces have also built their own network of underground dwellings and they have allied with Dracos and Reptilians already living in certain locations underground. They have been keeping the darkness for this planet in the last 26,000 years. Various modern sources were calling this network Shamballa, the Agartha network, the Naga kingdom, the Patala… So if anybody speaks about the Agartha network, you need to discern clearly which network they are referring to.

Throughout the course of the last 26,000 years, many of the most advanced members of various surface civilizations have broken away from their societies and joined the underground positive Agartha network. Among them were paleolithic Gravettian shaman, Egyptian high priests, Minoan Goddess worshipers, Greek Pythagorean disciples (forming Hav-musuv breakaway society under Death Valley in California), Roman Auguri, Maya, Inca and Hopi groups, 17th century German explorers in South America, the Marconi/Fulcanelli group in the 20th century…

The positive Agartha network had their own space program with fleet of flying disks, traveling throughout the Solar System and beyond, contacting other positive extraterrestrial races. Their freedom of movement through the Solar System was severely limited due to Chimera-imposed quarantine status of this Solar System and planet Earth especially.

In the beginning of the 20th century, the positive Pleiadians from Aldebaran have decided to assist humanity in achieving spaceflight and overunity in order to help them set free from Chimera and Cabal control. By telepathic contact through Marija Orsic of the famous Vril Society they have given instructions how to build a working spacecraft. Unfortunately, the Vril Society was taken over first by the Jesuits through their Rothschild agent Adolf Schicklgruber (Hitler) and later directly by the Chimera through their agent Karl Haushofer. Here it is interesting to note that the original positive Vril Society was financed by the Esterhazy family, which is a positive White Nobility Templar family from Hungary that claims its origin from the Sirius star system. Although the original Vril project of the Light forces has failed short-term, in long term it has given enough technological knowledge to humanity that we will now be able to defeat the Chimera.

The Chimera controlled the development of the German Nazi secret space program that went into two directions.

The more secret part of the German space program was led by Hans Kammler. Kammler was cooperating with the Green Men (an underground Draco breakaway civilization). Under Kammler, the Nazis have built a network of underground tunnels and bases in Greenland, Argentina and Antarctica. They have further expanded their territory by building colonies on the Moon, Mars and asteroids. Pumped with Nazi supremacy ideology, they foolishly believed that they can challenge the Dark Fleet (Orion/Draco/Reptilian interstellar complex). In severe battles during mid-1950s, all Nazi space colonies were completely wiped out from this Solar System by the Draco/Reptilian fleet.

The official Nazi space program was developed by Wernher von Braun. He was later paperclipped into the US along with many other scientists and absorbed into the US military-industrial complex. They have developed both the official NASA space program front and the more secret Solar Warden program (from more military faction of the Cabal) and Corporate space program (from more corporate faction of the Cabal), together with deep underground military bases. Both Solar Warden and the Corporate space programs were interconnected, but deeply compartmentalized. At the top, they were guided by the Unholy Four (Kissinger, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld).

In 2012, the Light Forces have cleared all those secrets space programs, along  with all deep underground military bases such as Dulce, Area 51 and Pine Gap. Most of the top brass in these space programs was taken to the Galactic Central Sun as they have committed grave crimes and were unwilling to accept the Light. Most of the supersoldiers participating in these programs were good people that genuinely believed they are defending the Earth against the alien threat. The vast majority of them have joined the positive Alliance fleet in this Solar System and are now assisting in MOSS.

Now they will assist in the final operations to liberate our Solar System from last vestiges of darkness, the Chimera bases and implant stations.

The completion of these operations will have extremely beneficial impact on the geopolitical situation. Therefore I would ask as many people as possible to support the operations by meditating on May 30th to ensure that the whole process will take place as peacefully and as harmoniously as possible.

http://2012portal.blogspot.ca/

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As it is below; so it is above

B.B.Baghor wrote:

Here's a post I shared yesterday in bobhardee's thread on disclosure.
To me, the views on disclosure-yes-or-no and ways of dealing with info and space war or space
peace, from human, reptilian and other possible et-or agarthan origin, with the multi-level projects,
in secrecy and presence of "masks behind masks" I find often much difficulty to discern the truth.

By following presentations of pro-disclosure messengers, like Stephen Greer and Stephen Basset,
who with their unique styles, hint at the spiritual aspect of our space connections of past,
present and future, with a firm practicality and sticking to the facts, I have found a way-shower
that is valuable to me, as an attitude I prefer to practice.

That road-sign is present in a transcript part accompanying the tubby below. I remember you've told
me you can't stand Dr. Stephen Greer, Jenetta. Without doing away with your freedom of opinion,
I'm not referring to his person or style here, but to the content of the words in blue, which ring true
to me. As I perceive it, for I'm always learning and exploring. To me, this attitude bypasses all body/
mind acrobatics and offers opportunities to restore humanity's autonomy and heal the past.
Blaming others for our suffering belongs to that past, as I see it and when I should stick to that
I'm sure I know what kind of visitors I will find "at my door"  

(copy of my yesterday's post elsewhere)
"To me, this first part of the presentation by Dr. Stephen Greer couldn't be clearer and more compact
in what's to me the truth of ET-disclosure and the process of our expanding awareness, when we invite love in,
without sentiments attached. Which means, to me, a love for who we truly are and a love for all living beings,
no exception. No preference for color and race too, in showing respect  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STiKWN1tiSw


Transcript part of interview first minutes:
0:04 Are we alone in the universe?
0:07 Why are they here what are we to do about it?
0:11 What are we to make of all this? And before I came in here I was talking to a
0:16 gentleman from Mexico and
0:17 I said: "You know there's a wonderful saying
0:21 "the world is as you are" and
0:25 the reality is that the world has to become
0:29 what are higher vision within us can perceive.
0:33 We manifest this world..... our civilization and
0:37 everything and it is a result of our individual and collective consciousness, thought and action
0:42 And once we understand that and move in the
0:45 direction of that good future which awaits humanity, we will have an entirely
0:51 new civilization on earth.

Stephen Basset is fast, witty in a scorpion way and mad as hell... for a good cause, as I see him.
Different from his same named collegue, although they both share a devilish sarcasm at times and
carry a huge body of knowledge and responsibility, at least...... they show making efforts with
their human acrobatic minds. If humor is present it makes it all so much more easy to digest,
in my opinion.

"My task is to simplify and get to the core...." Stephen Basset says, in a presentation here,
in Holland Amsterdam  

orthodoxymoron wrote:I really hate to think-it and say-it -- but what if there really needs to be a Secret-Government and a Secret Space Program?? What if this basic concept simply needs to be conducted in a proper manner?? What if the solar system really needs to be run as a big-business?? I've tried to think about this in an idealistic manner -- but what if this solar system will NEVER be Idealistic?? What if this solar system really must be run by a Mean-Queen with a Titanium-Fist?? My disillusionment is beyond description -- but what makes this exponentially worse is the sinking-feeling that a lot of what presently exists has to be the way it is. It hurts like hell to think this way -- so much so -- that I don't want to think about it anymore.

magamud wrote: Ya thats some living, thanks....

Aquaries1111 wrote:Hi Oxy,

I want you to know I am still reading you.. I am only on page 2 though of your beautiful path thread.  I almost wish I had started the path the same time you did, I wouldn't feel so left behind then.. Okay I'll stop whinging.. I know, I know, we are multi-dimensional and what existed then also exists now.. so now is where I am to read.. so bee it..

Your Bill Cooper link has sent me on a Bill Cooper download overload.. I need to get back to study and get back to page 2.. There's so much information I almost need to just close myself off and focus on your precious thread. I do know it's precious..

magamud wrote:

"You Can't Outrun or Outgun God!!"

The Ruler of This World Will Get You In The End...

orthodoxymoron wrote:The Old-Testament ends around 400 BC -- with approximately 400 years of Biblical-Silence. I've been wondering if the New-Testament is somehow a corrupted version of Suppressed Intertestamental Messianic Writings (which might resemble the writings found in Job through Daniel -- or at least commentaries and applications of those books)?! I realize this is heresy -- and I have little evidence to back-up this radical idea. I have suggested a very careful study of Job through Daniel -- prior to studying other parts of the Bible -- using these ten-books as an interpretive-key. What if the time extending from Alexander the Great (356-323 BC) -- right up to the present -- should be viewed with extreme-suspicion -- especially regarding how this world has been run?! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great What if all the religions which came into existence during this time-period were invented and promoted by the Same Hidden PTB?! This might hypothetically include Christianity (as we know it) -- Catholicism -- Islam -- Protestantism (in all of its forms) -- and virtually every religion and sect -- as franchises of One Big Business!! If true -- this would be upsetting and revolting to everyone -- wouldn't it?! Try reading Luke and James -- straight-through -- over and over -- comparing this study with the rest of the New-Testament. Then compare that same study with Job through Daniel. As I previously noted -- only Acts -- James -- and 3 John -- do NOT end with "Amen." Was someone trying to tell us something?? Further -- consider that Luke-Acts is really one book by the same author. Likewise -- one might consider First, Second, and Third John as being one book by the same author. If there is any validity to what I just said -- what would a study of the following books yield??

1. Job.
2. Psalms.
3. Proverbs.
4. Ecclesiastes.
5. Song of Songs.
6. Isaiah.
7. Jeremiah.
8. Lamentations.
9. Ezekiel.
10. Daniel.
11. Luke.
12. Acts.
13. James.
14. 1 John.
15. 2 John.
16. 3 John.

Are these books consistent with the rest of the Bible?? If one studied these 16 books -- what doctrinal-framework might emerge?? Should a doctrinal-framework even be constructed?? Should these books simply be read (straight-through -- over and over)?? I am Not a Bible-Scholar. Not even close. I simply wonder as I wander. Once again -- I simply wish to research and reflect -- without getting angry and disruptive. I think we're in the process of finding-out some extremely upsetting and potentially-disruptive information. Being triumphalist in any of this would be a grave-error. Some say that the Catholic Church and the Pope are the Root of All Evil -- but I am suggesting the possibility of another layer of power, which even Rome is subservient to!! Groot is the Root of All Evil. Or perhaps the Mandrake is the Root of All Evil. What REALLY scares me is the possibility that the historical-madness and often ruthless and corrupt governance -- might've somehow been necessary and/or unavoidable (as insane as that sounds)!! Perhaps it has been somehow necessary for the Bad-Guys to run Earth, Inc. for thousands of years -- as revolting as that sounds!! Please consider ALL Possibilities before throwing stones!! Whenever I speculate about Solar System Governance -- I feel dirty and sick!! Perhaps there is No Good Way to Run a Solar System!! This thing might be tougher and nastier than we can possibly imagine!! Once again -- I have no idea what's true or false. I just take everything in -- and quietly move-on. What if one formulated a Mental and Spiritual Conceptualization of the Messiah based upon the following??

1. Job through Daniel (KJV).
2. The Bach B-Minor Mass.

This wouldn't be Judaism or Christianity -- would it?? What would it be?? Just know that during my break I will be spending a lot of quality time with those two sources -- but, once again, this is simply an area of study, rather than being a line in the sand. What if Job through Daniel were given a completely universal-interpretation -- rather than being biased toward Judaism (ancient or modern)? What if the Bach B-Minor Mass were given a completely universal-interpretation -- rather than being biased toward Christianity or Catholicism?? Would these two sources make an effective Ecumenical Book of Common Prayer?? I often have NO Idea what people want and need. But whatever it is -- it probably has to be THEIR Idea!! Everyone seems to wish to rule (whether they admit it, or not). Can you even begin to imagine what would happen if the world were ruled by Jerusalem -- with absolute-obedience expected from everyone?? What if the Torah were the Law of the World?? Can you imagine the rioting and warfare??!! I still think that Someone-Significant REALLY wants the Battle of Armageddon!! Can't we all just get along?? Take a look at this!!

enemyofNWO wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:I'm pretty much in a state of despair. No matter who the "Real Bad Guys" are -- if they are removed -- there are undoubtedly some "Really Bad Guys" waiting to take-over. "Real Nice Guys" might not survive for five-minutes at the "Top of the Pyramid". Traditional-Religions might often be bottomless-pits of corruption and confusion -- but atheism, agnosticism, psychology, philosophy, politics, business, law, entertainment, etc. are simply different bottomless-pits of corruption and confusion. What if no one is genuinely good?? If powerless "Good-Guys" are placed in positions of power -- they might quickly turn into "Bad-Guys". We might be screwed -- no matter what we do (or don't do). We might've gotten our butts kicked in an Ancient Star War -- with the Victors ruling Humanity from the Shadows for Thousands of Years. Who Knows?? How can we REALLY know anything regarding history and how things really work?? I'll "Fight the Good Fight" -- but I'm not expecting "Paradise or Utopia" anytime soon...

Remember that " Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely " . There are no check and balances to keep in line the ones at the very top .  In a previous post your wrote : quote "with approximately 400 years of Biblical-Silence. I've been wondering if the New-Testament is somehow a corrupted version of Suppressed Intertestamental Messianic Writings". I bet that corruption, misinterpretation and false translations are  inbuilt in any translated ancient text. How could you otherwise explain that an important rabbi threatened DR Strange about the revelations of the Dead Sea scrolls  ( see above videos ) ?  The biggest secret kept from the " believers " is the " flying saucers "  and alien interventions in human affairs .  The Flying saucer became " the holy Spirit " and the  Elohim became a singular entity instead of referring to a group of people . Because the church had control of the translations , then who didn't translate in an approved way ( nothing to do with the truth and accuracy ) got the marching orders .  The ancient text were used as property not of humanity but of a private  group of people that had in mind to enslave the world . The search for total control of the population is still going on .  

orthodoxymoron wrote:I tend to agree. As I irreverently suggested before -- what if the Holy-Spirit might be the Queen of Heaven in a Flying-Saucer?? I don't mean to be mean. I'm just trying to make the insane make-sense...

B.B.Baghor wrote:

Are you familiar with the story of the 2 monks?

"Two monks were on a pilgrimage and one day, came to the shore of a river, finding a woman in search
for a way to cross the water. The monks weren't allowed, by their superiors, to touch a woman. One of
the monks, being of a scholarly nature and helpful, chose to sort of set this rule aside and obey to the
rule of his superiors and their belief, to be of service. He offered her, to carry her across on his back.
She agreed with joy.

Once on the other side, after having left the woman behind, on the shore, the two monks continued their
journey. After about 3 hours, the monk who carried the woman, said to his companion. "You know, I wasn't
supposed to do that" "What do you mean?" asked his companion. "Well" answered the other monk "The rules
forbid me to touch a woman. I'm troubled by having done it". His companion answered "Oh, now I know what
you mean, I've already completely forgotten about that woman and the incident. You still carry her on your back
and make yourself suffer from it".

enemyofNWO wrote: Thanks for the parable . I imagine that  it is taken from a chapter of the bible not published  yet. I hope your writing is proceeding OK .  Are you defensive about your religion? Does it upset you, perhaps  that ,in a discussion,   we revealed facts about  the Sacred COW called  Christianity ?  Please don't take personally discussions in a forum . I can assure you also that I don't carry anyone on my back and I don't have dead weight to expel . I am who I am and I accept it . Do you do anything to screw the system that oppresses us all ? I do , for dozens of years we have had the secret services of Europe and Australia on our back ..... they have spent millions of dollars , performed incredible number of operations and Psy -ops with no result . So we have something to be proud off . If only there were more people like us who work to screw the system and try to open the eyes of the ones that keep theirs wide shut , the system would collapse sooner .....

Please don't be upset ,   we ,not always , read pleasant material . Unfortunately the world is not a pleasant place , it is a mine field ! who am I ?  I am one of millions that realized that the catholic religion is a fraud ,  after over 60 years since I woke up about it  I am still discovering despicable acts perpetrated by that criminal organization . I live in catholic country where the malefic presence of Catholicism is omnipresent so i might  be rabid when dealing with the subject . I see also the pervasive influence of this cancerous religion on the politics and the society . There seem to be no end to the criminality of the church . They have the brass face to send missionary to regions  of the third world to try to convert who doesn't need to be . I don't think that the discussions with Ortho are futile ,this subject is very interesting  and I think there is  some chance that  some of the discussion might influence, in a positive way,  some readers with an open mind .  Ortho ,as the rest of us , is on a personal journey and every person has his/her own interpretation of  what is searching and what is looking for .    Did you like the videos linked in post No 2   and 3 ? They are  eyes opener don't you agree ? Be well !

orthodoxymoron wrote:In "The Exercise of Vital Powers" from the 4th season of Babylon 5 (which is depicted as being in the year 2261 A.D.) -- the statement was made that "Russia [had transitions of power] in 1917 and 2013". Mind you -- this episode was made in 1997. The Pope resigned in 2013 -- and a Jesuit became the new Pope. In "The Keys of This Blood" Malachi Martin writes about a three-way battle for control of the New World Order -- between Russia, the Vatican, and the United States. The book was published in 1990. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Keys_of_This_Blood What if Russia had a lot to do with the changing of the guard in Rome?? Supposedly -- the US and Russia might be headed for some sort of conflict. That same episode of Babylon 5 speaks of the French coming to power in 2112 A.D. I have a rare book titled The End of the World, A.D. 2133. Pope Benedict seemed a bit bitter when he spoke of "God Sleeping". I have irreverently joked that "God was just tired of all the bullshit!" All of this might not be significant -- but I find it somewhat interesting.

enemyofNWO wrote:Thanks Ortho for the links ! I  just watched the video of Malachi Martin  posted above . There is a lot of information that is very relevant   even today .  But Martin ideas that the Pope John Paul would  unite the world on moral and ethical grounds  did not happen and it is very unlikely it will in the future ,John Paul died and things got worse . Since then the church is now associated universally with pedofilia and corruption. According to Martin already  in1990 the church had to pay 95 million dollars in compensation to children victims of sexual abuse . Martin said that the Church has the most efficient secret services in the world   . How do they do it ? The confession !  of course ! Just as a test try to confess that you know of a fictitious person that wants to bump off the pope ……… See how long it takes for the police to knock at you door ? Malachi said that the church has been penetrated by the Masons.   This happened a long time ago . The picture below is of Trieste where I live  near the palace of the Questore ( the chief of Police ) there is a church and above the door there is a date in roman numerals . The picture below is taken from my e-book chapter 19 .

orthodoxymoron wrote:I've been thinking of the whole solar system as being one big business (in good and bad ways). The Catholic Church might be near the top of the pyramid -- but I keep thinking there's at least one or two layers of power beyond Rome (and probably not in good ways). But really -- the universe might have literally billions of star-wars occurring simultaneously -- from antiquity to modernity. How things are out-there probably has a lot to do with why things are the way they are on Earth. Most of this is speculation -- but there is some substance to it -- and it frankly scares the hell out of me. Without hearing anyone say it -- one day I thought about the possibility of bugged-confessionals -- and it freaked me out!! I just assume that ANYTHING I say is somehow recorded. That might be overly paranoid -- but this is reflective of Christian-Theology (and even Santa-Claus coming to town)!! I assume that all agencies are somehow interconnected (for better or worse). A lot of this is speculation -- but I keep hearing stories...

orthodoxymoron wrote:What is the relationship (if any) between Dragons -- Draconian-Reptilians -- Generic-Reptilians -- Tall Long-Nosed Greys -- Small-Greys -- Generic-Hybrids -- Dragonized-Humans -- Nephilim -- Human-Giants -- Hybrid-Giants -- Reptilian-Giants -- Normal-Humans -- Angels -- Demons -- God -- Satan -- Demigods -- et al?? I might've added a couple of non-existent categories (or I might've missed someone) -- but you probably get my question. This whole-thing always seems to be an illusive shell-game. "Top" People probably get clear and concise briefings and documents -- but "We the Peons" must wade through "Endless Bullshit". I still don't know if most of the above really exist -- so I just play a stupid science-fiction game -- to attempt to understand a phenomenon which might not even exist. Strange-Beings could originate from Distant-Galaxies -- or they could be Renegade-Creations aka Forbidden-Abominations -- from Secret-Laboratories within this solar system. Who Knows?? How might Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer relate to all of this?? Does Lucifer really exist -- or is Lucifer simply the dark-side of Gabriel and/or Michael?? Also -- is Azazel an actual Angel and/or Demon -- or is Azazel simply a Historical and Eschatological Scapegoat?? Is the Creator of Humanity considered to be "Azazel"?? Once again -- I have a very difficult time getting into the Thuban material. I'm presently taking a closer look at Biblical-Prophecy in the context of Science-Fiction. I am very-wary of Prophecy -- but I've recently felt the need to understand Job through Daniel - relative to Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John -- with unconventional approaches. I always feel as if I'm playing with burning-magnesium when I consider this madness -- and a lot of it really does seem to be madness (on purpose, in many ways). What do you think about the 2300 days-years of Daniel 8:14 originating around 168 BC -- and terminating around 2133 AD?? Does Humanity have a future "As-Is" -- or will we be terminated and/or turned into various sorts of hybrids (which might not resemble humanity as we know it)?? Was the Historical Jesus Christ really the Messiah of the Psalms and Isaiah -- or is there a Hidden Historical Messiah?? This sort of thing is nearly impossible to really know about with any certainty. I'm almost to the point of completely walking away from ALL of the stuff contained within this website -- and just go back to watching television. I might even start drinking-beer and going to football-games and baseball-games. Perhaps I should forget about ethics and truth -- and live a life of skirt-chasing and riotous-living. I actually think I might rejoin the "Rat-Race" because the Rats are Winning...

bobhardee wrote:Orthodoxymoron -- It is a good thing that we can look at all the social, political, and other systems that are not doing well and recognize that at least we have each other to share these bits of wisdom.  We know that some are much more accurate than others and it is most frustrating to figure out which one is which.  They all see right or at least the ones that present the information so that it is believable.   I think a year or so ago I started making a list of what I believed to be right and was going to add to it but never did.  Outside of a brown dwarf coming our way, I think that biggest issue we all must deal with is greed.  The rich wanting to get richer on the backs of everybody else.  Not sure why.  I mean you have so much.....what can you do with it all other than gain power over everybody.  The next biggest problem are those people who believe that you can have a theocracy within a democracy and it not cause havoc.  Can a government that is a theocracy get along with a neighbor who does not share their values? Yes is that neighbor has a big stick and says that if you bring that s.... over here, I hit you on the head with this stick.   The third issue is how corporations seem to be taking control of the world.  I think the word for that is fascism.  They certainly are taking control of America. The last problem is somewhat of a wild card. It is the ET factor.  Are we nothing more than a zoo to which they stop and watch to see if we can figure it out enough......so that when we get smart enough, we will join their ranks? The rate we are moving, that will not  be anytime soon.  
Bob H.

orthodoxymoron wrote:A startling view of possible-realities is emerging for me -- which I wish to discuss less and less. It has a lot to do with Star-Wars -- Weapons -- Money -- Power -- Exploitation -- Enslavement -- God -- Genetics -- Deception -- Technology -- Etc. What if the nastiness on this planet has been somehow necessary for thousands of years?? What if God is a Galactic-Warrior (rather than someone who personally answers our prayers -- doing what we tell them to do)?? What if Nice-Guys really finish last in this Galaxy?? What if a lot of the Old-Testament and Revelation nastiness is tame compared to what really occurs throughout the Galaxy?? What if the Rockefellers, Rothschilds, Secret-Societies, Royalty, Elites, et al -- are somehow necessary in the Galactic Chain of Command -- relative to managing Earth Inc.?? What if a lot of religion is really the Opiate of the People (or something similar)?? I have been modeling a Theocratically Authorized and Overseen United States of the Solar System -- with the assumption that at some level one must deal with some very powerful beings who don't like to be told what to do. What if there are HUGE fleets of 100 mile-long bad@$$teroid mother@#$%^ships with unimaginable firepower -- filled with millions of Reptilian-Warriors (with very little mercy or empathy) -- who hate Humans?? What if we've had to make deals with these guys -- just to survive as inmates in a Prison-Planet?? What if resistance really is futile?? What if Humanity is a Renegade-Reptilian Genetics-Experiment?? Do you see why I'm trying to stop thinking and talking?? I think I've gone too far -- and crossed several lines. I really think I need to back-off and do something else. I had high-hopes regarding figuring things out -- but what if those who figure things out will be culled from the herd?? There was an episode of Star Trek Voyager -- or was it Babylon 5? -- where there was some sort of a huge bomb next to their spaceship (with an internal puzzle to be solved -- which would supposedly defuse the bomb). The captain figured-out that solving the puzzle would cause the bomb to explode -- and that it was a device to remove those who knew too much -- and were thus perceived to be a threat. A lot of the forbidden-information on the internet seems to be too available -- and too easy to access. I get the feeling that the PTB are taking very careful notes -- and that we might be segregated based upon our internet activities (or something like that). I am extremely apprehensive. Jordan Maxwell kept saying that he saw no way to avoid the so-called New World Order. Perhaps the best thing to do is to simply "Get Back to Work".

orthodoxymoron wrote:I keep thinking this Solar System (and possibly beyond) is a Big -- Dark -- Violent -- Corrupt -- Sick Network of Money and Power -- where the Bottom-Line is the Bottom-Line. Cleaning Things Up might be like Performing Neurosurgery on an Inoperable Malignant Brain-Tumor. We might be "Damned if We Do -- and Damned if We Don't." Within a few short months and/or years -- I suspect that BOTH those who "Believe in God" and those who "Don't Believe in God" are going to be Deeply-Disillusioned. The Agnostics might do better than most. That's just a sneaking hunch. "Go Anglican-Agnostics!!"

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B.B.Baghor wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you B.B. I'm honestly trying to morph into a Silent-Academic. My Internet-Madness was a Cry for Help -- which was never really answered. My research, logic, and writing were extremely sloppy -- yet my quest got me to where I am today -- which is NOT a nice place at all. Writing a book would make me an open-book to be examined and exposed in rather nefarious ways. Now I'm going to make the coffee.

If I may be honest with you, ortho, going into the first part of your post, to me it looks like only your logic is sloppy, in your conclusion here,
for your not receiving help as an answer to your cry for help, doesn't mean your research and writing has been sloppy. That's where your logic goes awry, see? As I've said before, you're so hard on yourself, there's no crack to let the light in. Beating around the burning bush making wind to feed the flames?

I think you've been offered lots of answers, comments and suggestions. Sometimes all 3 in one post, some in impatience, some in misunderstanding,
misinterpretation and even lack of understanding or - interpretation. To me, it looks like when you receive answers and responses in general, you immediately move into "what if's...?" as if you don't take the time to go within and pay attention to take notice of what is offered to you in clear words or in between the lines maybe.

Forgive me for saying this, but to me it looks like your whole being is in need for going within and that some part of you is screaming that it's high time to go that way. I'm sharing my perceptions, ortho, without really knowing what it is that brings you relief and solace. If that going within is the  same as "morphing into Silent-Academic", going into silence sounds good to me. In silence    

I haven't followed you from the start, ortho, only began to read some of your USSS posts in the mists here. As far as that experience of mine with your work goes, it seems to me that you've cried for help in a way that hasn't brought some form of help that can be received by you as such. You seem to have created certain conditions within the concept of USSS, or you've projected your Self mainly at the periphery of this planet's energy field, losing a connection within that opens the door to the answers you need. This is as I perceive your posts, at times.

It's hard to read someone's book of life, I mean it's hard to really know where you're coming from. Even more difficult in the virtual world. At the same time, I'm sure many readers of your USSS thread can grasp the essence of your quest and efforts to find answers and help. I think much more than you suspect, for to me, that "grasping" is more intuitive and on a level where no words exist to clarify, nor can be used in writing. Look at the number of views, that can't be ignored, don't you think?

I honestly wonder if you've grown into a state and are now ruled by your quest, with you as a sort of passenger hanging in there, desperate for having gone that way for so long. In a peculiar way, it now reminds me of the scene with Hal and his human passenger Dave, who at some point is trying to shut HAL down. Keep in mind that this movie is based on an idea, in the mind of the designer, it's no part of the real world. Take it or leave it, as an example used to clarify my point of view, okay?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8N72t7aScY

Dave cannot possibly reach the point, by the condition he's in, where he has the clarity to imagine the HAL computer-program being designed, foreseeing such an attempt to shut HAL down. HAL cannot possibly reach that same point, for being the machine that IT is, a creation by human beings. The next phase of that (installed on Earth) program jumps into action as soon as Dave, a human being, shuts down HAL.

I'm going to say something about what I have felt several times, while reading your posts. In a dark humorous way, it seems that you know the answers and the useful help yourself very well, but that they're possibly inaccessible and therefore causing you to remain in denial of them, for good reasons, looking from that (by me assumed) point of view. You seem to have denied yourself to find access to that place within. Please tell me if I'm approaching your form of expression here in delusion or illusion, ortho? I truly wonder, is there an answer in the Universe and... who knows, present somewhere in the USSS thread, that can and will satisfy you?

Regarding writing a book, ortho, I think the time has gone past now, that writing about the subjects you choose is a "no go", for reasons of endangering your life or position when still alive. Look at the pace we're seeing things now being exposed and shared in multitudes of social media circles? We all turn into whistleblowers, even without the wish to be one while being exposed to the "virus of truth" as I like to call it. Disclosure is happening on all levels, as I perceive it. Despite the attempts to close up and shut down. I believe soon your longtime whistling will wake up the whole world, ortho, combined with many whistles by others here.                    

I'm now drinking coffee in between these whistles, I've found an excellent thermo for a couple of pounds, keeping it warm. This isn't related to my response to you, ortho, but to me, that Odyssee 2001 scene is a sublime expression of our human relationship with a computer and how the interaction
influences the human mind and daily practical life when the practice of self-reflection is absent from being connected to that invention. Are we, in that state of an absent mind of our own, at some point going to long for a symbiosis with a computer, an ancient and long time well-thought through mind-program that turns us into controllable living machines? Described in the book "1984" by George Orwell? As a creative person I don't choose going that way. I couldn't help sharing my view on a human made choice for such a world  

orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you B.B. I don't wish to sound like an ingrate BUT I seem to require an inner-dialogue which is more effective and efficient than anything in real-life or even on the internet. This is a lonely and painful way to go BUT I seem to be attempting to become much more of a Solitary-Visionary -- with ZERO effort to bring others into my rarified-orbit. Unfortunately -- this is probably one giant-leap by one small-man toward the government-nuthouse. Interacting with others is sort of like asking "Am I Sane??" Not interacting with others often involves "Not Giving a Damn Whether I'm Sane or Not -- As Long As I Get the Answer I'm After!!" Also -- I have attempted to model an attitude which is NOT my own -- just to explore some historical and contemporary individuals of interest -- but people keep forgetting that I keep saying that's what I'm doing!! In a sense, my Religious and Political Science-Fiction is Too Realistic!! Steven King creates Murderers in Print and makes Millions of Dollars. I model lower-case "g" gods and goddess's -- and that makes me a nutcase!! Six Pence. None the Richer. I'm not in this for the money -- but perhaps I should be. BTW -- that study-list at the top of this post is more of a workout than you might think -- especially if one aggressively studies it from every conceivable angle. This isn't exactly "Holding-Hands and Singing-Kumbaya"!! Time to Take-Off the Gloves?? What Would Angela Merkel Say??

"BAD VLAD!!!!"
(The Nazis Shouldn't Mess with the KGB!!)

B.B.Baghor wrote:Ortho, I just noticed that the picture of Angela Merkel and Vladimir Putin looks like a poor photo-shop attempt. She doesn't at all look at him and somehow the images of both their bodies look strange, as if projected against the background of flags. That gesture of her doesn't seem to have anything to do with him, as I see it. I'm a suspicious observer, not only of the daily solar weather-forecast of SO Ben Davidson, the 4 minutes tubbies shared daily by bobhardee, but also regarding manipulation of videos and pictures.

orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you B.B. My ongoing modus-operandi is possibility-thinking in a science-fictional context. I genuinely desire "truth" and "goodness" -- but both might be fleeting and illusive. Once again, I'm settling into a life of quiet-desperation, wherein I think actively and deeply -- without saying or doing anything significant. I've created a study-guide which probably only I will extensively utilize -- but I've placed it in the public-domain -- perhaps for karmic-reasons. Who knows??

B.B.Baghor wrote: Ortho, please don't be too serious about my observation? It's only that, no criticizing is meant whatsoever. And regarding
placing a study-guide in the public domain for karmic-reasons, I think that if that would be the case you would know, ortho. At least you seem to have made your mind up about karma as a possible cause. In my perception and experience, if you choose to take up the task of clearing karma, I believe it can only be done when void of shame and feelings of guilt. Coming from knowing (or trust) that you desire as much "truth" and "goodness" as I and any other well-meaning person, there's no need, no place for that. In my view, what it takes is acknowledgement of the harvest at the end of summer,
after working the soil. Metaphorically speaking. Now, you may find this post of mine somewhat obscure and far too serious to your taste. Do you?

Yesterday, a villager whom I would assist in making a pavement of natural stones of all shapes and sizes, secured with some sort of natural colored concrete, told me, upon my arrival at the workplace "When I work here on it and you on the other end, you do it differently. But, thank you for offering your help". In other words, in a round about way, he made clear to me that on second thought he didn't want me to work on the porch with him. I had to suppress a smile, for to me, this is such a typical English way of saying "I prefer to do it myself, for I can only feel good about the work when I do it myself" To end this post with a light touch.

What if the Ark of the Covenant is really about the "Lamb slain from the Foundation of the World"?? What if the "Lamb slain from the Foundation of the World" was one of three archangels?? What if all of the Messianic-Precursors such as Mithras were really afterglows of the "Lamb slain from the Foundation of the World"?? What if the Historical-Jesus Story is a "Johnny Come Lately" version of the "Lamb slain from the Foundation of the World"?? What if Lucifer = King of Babylon = Lamb Slain from the Foundation of the World = the Missing Angel in the Center of the Ark of the Covenant?? What if the remaining two archangels ruled the world jointly until around 800 A.D.?? The Ancient Egyptian Deity hinted-at some sort of a Major-Split around that time (if I remember correctly). What if the Original Creator of Humanity was Lucifer?? What if that creation was destroyed (including the Creator)?? What if Michael was the Re-Creator of Humanity?? What if Christ = Archangel?? What if Christ = Archangel #1?? What if Antichrist = Archangel #2?? What if Lucifer = the Gnome in George Zebrowski's Short-Story?? Ever heard of the Human (G)nome Project??!! What if Lucifer = Gnome = O.H. Krlll?? What if the King of Babylon in Isaiah 14 refers to the King of Atlantis many centuries prior to the time of the Historical-Isaiah?? I continue to think that we're dealing with three Power-Struggling Archangels in this Solar System. There may be a BIG "G" GOD beyond this solar system -- but I doubt that they are directly active within this particular solar system. What if Lucifer = Jupiter Jones?? I don't think we have any accurate idea of who we really are -- or regarding the true nature of the universe (or even the solar system). We might all be in for some very rude awakenings. Just don't wake-up on the wrong side of the bed -- even if it turns out that we've been sleeping with the devil for thousands of years. I'm going to go way, way, way, way out on a broken limb with the following speculation -- and I don't know where to begin or end -- because it is insanely farfetched speculation. It has to do with Michael, Lilith, the Creation of Some Version of Humanoid Beings -- the writing of certain books of the Bible -- and the War in Heaven. Should the Song of Solomon really have been named the Song of Lilith?? What if someone told you that you were Michael, Lilith, Isis, and Cleopatra (among others) -- that you created some version of humanity -- and that you wrote five books of the Bible?? I suspect that someone has been playing massive mind-games with me -- but there have been various hints from various sources, that some or all of the above might be true for me on a soul-basis. I realize this qualifies me many times over for that secret mental institution -- but I am quite sober and reasonable -- although being this far down the rabbit-hole makes life completely insane 24/7 -- which is why I just whisper and whimper on this thread -- and why I honestly keep trying to remain silent and contrite. I'm sure there are those who sincerely hope that I shut-up -- so they don't have to shut me up -- and I'm NOT kidding. On the other hand -- back-channel communication might be sort of a safety-valve. What if Lilith wrote the Song of Solomon, Psalms, Proverbs, Isaiah, and at least one of the Gospels (or at least the teachings contained within the Gospels)?? What if Solomon was Sol-Amen-Ra?? What if the Queen of Sheba was Lilith?? The Exodus and the Reigns of King David and King Solomon are VERY Interesting!! Especially Behind the Scenes!! Remember that strange message I posted a couple of months ago?? I received the following message (unedited) under VERY Strange Circumstances:

You were Incarnate 2000 Years ago and let Us also say that You brought the Prime Creator's Message to the People (Big "G"). After You had been exiled to the far east in those times - A Usurper (Jesus Cesarian) was set up to draw others away from Your Message and to corrupt It. 300 Years Later - The Council of Nicea was convened by a Roman Emperor (Constantine) to reduce the understandings You'd brought to the People - From approximately 37 Books down to 5. Under the Tutelage of these Controller's - Classical Christian Religion was enacted and forced upon the People over the next 1700 Years...The True Teachings of Yeshua are being held in the Vatican Archives so that They can remain on Top as Controllers (See Stigmata: We need no Men or Buildings to reach the Prime Creator was the Thrust of the Teachings kept secret - The Path within). Does this then mean that the Man that originally brought the Message was trying to deceive Us? Or is It rather that the Controller's perverted the Understandings that You'd brought Us previously on Purpose? Simply put - I would say - The Later...This is the Crux and one They have worked hard to convolute...

What do you think about such a thing?? I did NOT make this up!! I found it in my word-processor!! I just stumbled upon it -- and I could've easily missed it!! The Ancient Egyptian Deity called me Michael -- but I have NO Idea whether there is any substance to that, or not. I've simply used various messages, suggestions, and sources as conceptual-crutches for modeling the unknowable. I'm NOT going to spell this out -- but I could go into a lot more detail. Let's just say that I don't really care one way or the other. It honestly makes very little difference to me. In fact, it could be a VERY bad thing if it were true. I honestly have NO Idea who I might really be on a soul-basis -- and I'm NOT going to try very hard to find out!! My concern is how to help make things work correctly and properly in this solar system -- and possibly beyond -- and this seems to presently be an impossible dream. Here are some interesting posts by Brook and Lionhawk on the first 'Red Pill' thread. They are sequential, but might be separated by dozens of posts. They should write a book together. Siriusly.

Brook: "For those of you afraid to take the red pill...you might want to stop reading and participating in this thread now... as I've found from personal experience, that it will activate within you, if you let it...certain "knowings” that will surface at any given time. And in that knowledge, you may find it will not be everything you wanted to know. But then again remember...the truth will set you free. And in knowing the truth...remember you have free will...and can make choices accordingly.

That being said, I will start by recommending a thread that was started by Orthodoxymoron, who I might add was brilliant in his deduction from AV1, and as it progressed I believe it brought to light some things that will stimulate your way of thinking about the “Egyptian” folklore of the “gods” they worshiped, and the symbols now being currently used in the Illuminati scheme of things.

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18223&highlight=aman

Some would think that it is not necessary to delve into the past, as one member had mentioned. However to understand what might possible be the truth to much of what we deal with today..the symbolism in our faces daily if you look around.... It might be good to know what it all means...in the face of taking the red pill that is.

If you dig deep enough you might even see where our own DNA may possibly have been tampered with, and fragmented our sense of self and way of life as we know it now.

So I'd like to continue where some of the key points that triggered in me some “knowing” and see what input you all may have in these aspects of history and how it might have an effect on how we live today in the shadow of some of the great secrets that still to this day haunt us and most likely won't ever be known until we reach ascension and see the truth...or then again...you can take the red pill and dive in...see what you come up with …

so lets start off with one of the posts from that thread and look at Ptah....

Ptah

The origin of Ptah's name is unclear, though some believe it to mean 'opener' or 'sculptor'. As a god of craftsmen, the later is probably correct. He was a patron of the arts, protector of stone cutters, sculptors, blacksmiths, architects, boat builders, artists and craftsmen.

It was believed that Ptah created the heavens and the earth.

Ptah created the giant metal plate that was believed to be the floor of heaven and the roof of the sky, he also created the struts that upheld it. He created the universe by speaking words through his Tongue (linked to the god Thoth) and by thoughts coming from his Heart.

There came into being as the heart and there came into being as the tongue ...The mighty Great One is Ptah, who transmitted life to all gods, as well as to their kas... Thus it happened that the heart and tongue gained control over every other member of the body, by teaching that he, Ptah... is in every body and in every mouth of all gods, all men,and every thing that lives, by thinking and commanding everything that he wishes.

Thus the ka-spirits were made... by this speech... Thus were made all work and all crafts, the action of the arms, the movement of the legs, and the activity of every member, in conformance with this command which the heart thought, which came forth through the tongue, and which gives value to everything.

Ptah was a creator god, the third highest god in Egypt. He was the god presiding over the Second Egyptian month. From a local god of craftsmen to the deity who crafted the universe and the other deities, Ptah was only overshadowed by the sun god Ra, and the hidden god Amen. He fashioned the universe through words of power and by thought, as well as creating different parts by hand. He helped the dead on their travels through the afterlife, allowing them to transform into his divine figure, or by building the boats on which they could travel. He was the one who allowed the dead to be like the living after death

Sounds like a pretty powerful guy to me...in all of this legend and metaphor.

As on member brought to my attention in post number 277
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=220944&postcount=277

What did the Masons know? It is clearly worship of Ptah....but was he really such a good “God”? He is clearly worshiped in Egyptian folklore as a “God of Creation” ….stressing the word “creation”....what exactly did he create that should be worshiped in such “glory” for the Masons to revere? Then you clearly have a statue of Ptah with scales...

And what about the Merkaba.....
Mer... meant a kind of light that rotated within itself

Ka ....meant spirit, in this case referring to the human spirit

Ba.... meant the human body — though it also could mean the concept of Reality that spirit holds

And so the entire word in ancient Egypt referred to a rotating light that would take the spirit and the body from one world into another.....

Then you have Thoth...that's one for the records.....and if you read the Emerald Tablets...you see sparks of truth....also sparks of manipulation to a way of thinking that sounds very much like much of the “new wave” line of hypnosis....not to say there is not truth there...but in reading the Emerald tablets that are published....you might find yourself getting a slight to moderate headache....triggering something of a remembrance....or could it be a trigger to forget.....but of what? It certainly triggered me....and opened up a flood gate of things that seemed to fit into a neat little conspiracy in and of itself. More questions then answers from the Egyptian “history” that we seem to get. There are still many “secrets” out there left to be uncovered...and on a global scale, I think if enough people got “triggered” in their own “knowing” of what the truth is...it may just astound you...and set the history books a blaze.

So for now have a look at some of the information on that thread..and soon enough I will add more. I really wish ODM was here to add...as he was very in tune with it..but we all have a past here to look at the truth. And many of you hold a “key” of knowing...so let the triggers begin. Namaste."

lindabaker: "Lionhawk: Forgive me if I am repeating a question that has been asked of you in previous forums. Tell us how you know all of this very interesting information, if you don't mind doing so. Are you an immortal who can remember a lot, or are you someone who has access to historical records previously unknown to most earth people? If the discs are not gold, what is their composition? By duplicates, do you mean discs that also work, kind of like burning another music cd? Why do the discs I see in my dreams look to be the size of large oranges? When will the information on the discs be revealed, and by whom, and where? What will the reaction be, do you think? Which Star family are you aligned with? Is your alignment with the Christ Energy, and if not, which alignment best describes your position?"

Lionhawk: "Calling me out, eh? No worries. When I look back on Av1 and Av2, I guess what I got hammered with most was where did I get my training. Simply because I think I scared some individuals with what I had revealed. How was I able to penetrate the secrets of those who had hidden agendas that participated on those forums? I never did answer the question simply because I felt it was a trap to do so. Plus, they wouldn't understand the answer even if I gave it to them. All I can say is I am who I am because I chose to be. Now that might sound like an egotistical statement, but without my ego I would be a blank. I am like the many who seek the real truth and will expose it when everything is in such alignment to do so. I also use what is in my toolbox by that I mean what spiritual tools I do have. Copy and paste is not a spiritual tool.

Where I get my information in regards to Egypt is not from the Internet. It is so packed full of lies, that if I did use that information, I would be caught red handed in seconds and probably burned at a stake somewhere.

Let me just say that I am from the Orion sector. My star lineage is the Family of An. Pronounced "on." It is the middle Star of Orion's Belt. EL-AN-RA. I am an Angelic in the Warrior Cast from that sector. Mother Mary, as far as lineages go, is my Mother. She has many sons and daughters and I am simply one of them. She informed me of this 2 years ago at my house in Florida in the kitchen. She said I was one of her Royal sons and wondered what had happened to me. I also know as of this moment why she stated that. Till very recently, her visit troubled me and I couldn't figure out why. Then she visited me once again and it was a very sad visit, as she had apparently gone to find out what had happened to me and why I was off her radar for so long, after her first visit. It all fits now as I have so much recall as to what had occurred and why she said what she said. Yes, Jesus is my brother. I am very proud to have a brother who has accomplished so much and who continues to serve in his present capacity. He is one of the commanders of the real Galactic Federation. Also let us not confuse him with a replica provided by the darkside called Lord Sananda, who serves as their version of Jesus of their copy and pasted Galactic Federation. You know the one where all the channeled messages come from.

How this recall occurred, is also an interesting story. As it turns out I had done it to myself and did such a good job at it. Somewhere, I had taken half of myself and gave it amnesia. There was a very important reason to do so. Reminds me of Claudia Black that did something similar to serve on a mission on the SG-1 series. Don't remember the episode. Of course there was a trigger word that would snap me out of it. That word was spoken to me on February 11th of this year by my mate. Everything changed at that moment. It was my name back in those Egyptian days. Mind you I didn't say I was Egyptian.

In any regard, I discovered that I had married into the Feline Race. That's how I ended up and why I have a current affiliation with them in the present. The marriage came about from two life streams from two separate countries, where both got involved with each other because of these discs. That involvement grew and became a sacred union as in such a way that had never been experienced before on the Earth. It was so profound as that sacred union also represented the unconditional love they had for each other and for the entire Earth and all of her people to such an extent that the Creator took notice and said that this sacred union would be used as a template in this Universe to go by in terms of unconditional love. This was a wonderful occasion where the Mother Mary linage and the Feline lineage came together in oneness. It was also sounded across the Universe so it is well known by other races as well. So if there is anyone out there who has any doubts as to what I have thus far written, feel free to get off your chair and find the answers. If you are all that connected to these other races that is.

These two life streams were obviously killed by the corrupt Draconian figure heads of those distant times in Egypt. Not necessarily for what they did to create a new universal template, but for defying the power elite's will. If they could not use you, consider yourself dead. That thought pattern still exists today. But when it all went down, these Bastards found out that they couldn't use everybody.

In the present, I am now living with a whole remembered heart. I am fully activated in the physical. I pay attention to many things now that I use to take for granted. For instance two butterflies flying through the air at incredible speeds, never extending more than a few inches from each other as they are flying through an area full of birds and predatory insects, celebrating their union with each other in flight. Also no fear. The one I married back then is the one I am with now. We are still married as we never allowed our love to be compromised by anyone or anything, even though they may have killed us at different times. William Wallace you say.....or did I say that? hahahhahhaa!!

The above Coat of Arms is where the trail jumped from Egypt to Scotland. Talk about triggers from Egypt. And you may wonder how it has anything to do with William Wallace. To be brief, these two love birds incarnated into this time line. My name was Alexander MacDougall and although I was married and had a castle, I also had a mistress, hidden in the hillside. This mistress was my sacred love. Her name was Isadora and she originated from Norway. She was murdered by some reptilian thugs. 4 of them attacked her while on route to help my son, John. Thus, her death started my new career in head loping. Talk about getting on a Karmic bicycle. I was also allied at this time with William Wallace against Robert the Brus. Also notice in the coats of arms, the lions and the ships. In other coat of arms you will also find the dragons. Again, it comes down to the conflict of the lions vs. the dragons.

Not to get out of topic here, but this thread is also about triggers. And if you were to look in your present life in the past, you will see things that came up and said here I am for a split second. As in how you might be drawn to an image or something that was said that ringed something within you. All these little rings bounced around for years and I never found an explanation for them until Feb. 11th 2010. All these little reminders fell into place. The little things that made you curious in that moment that you couldn't explain as to why it rang something inside you. Like maybe why you might had a curiosity about a certain figure in history but couldn't explain it.

All I can say is that I had thought my life to have been blessed before and now I look upon it as miraculous. It has taken a lot of inner work to get here but it has been worth it. Granted the inner work never seems to stop but I can relax a little bit now as I know things will be slightly easier. If you do the work you will find that your story is an amazing one. Also make note that I am not trying to put myself on any kind of stage here. I am just sharing it and I left a lot out. So for the ones that might have pithy comments, spare me. It isn't because I am the one who is insecure. I say what I just said so that I don't have to deal with your insecurities and I am sure there are others out there who are sick of that old record as well. I think we should spend more time celebrating those who are getting there instead of the bashing from those who are either jealous or just lack, period. You have to earn it, for yourself.

So I leave this here. I hope I answered more than you questioned Linda."

orthodoxymoron: "Wow Lionhawk! Your posts always floor me! Can you tell me if Reptilian Beings have Human Souls? OR -- do Human Beings have Reptilian Souls? Are we all Human/Reptilian Hybrids --- with various percentage differentials? Are Greys really Reptilians? Do Humans, Reptilians, and Greys have more in common than we think? Is most of this madness homegrown --- going back thousands of years --- right here on Earth --- mostly in North Africa and the Southwestern United States? Is the U.S. really the 'Head of the Snake'? Do the Underground Bases and the City States constitute the Biblical Babylon? Is Lucifer the Whore of Babylon? 'What fate Omoroca?' (Stargate SG-1 'Fire and Water') Nuff said!"

Lionhawk: "There he is! Good to see you old friend! Always wondered where you went. I know many disappeared for awhile and justly so. Often thought as to what you found in your digging of the truth. You have been missed. Again, great to see you once again.

As far as flooring you, I will humbly take that as a compliment. But I'm not out here trying to floor anyone. Personally I think we are all basically truth seekers and we all have an individual way about going about it. Of course the cheap version of the truth is the copy and pasted version. Using only materials that someone researched and wrote out without doing any footwork to support their point of view.

The better version is finding an idea and pursuing it and then write down what you found. The process of proving it out in real time. How many books have we read where someone just took pieces of information and just pieced a book together? Without any experience being applied or melded in the book. Originality is the best way to go about sharing ideas and working out the puzzles that comprise the truth.

As to your questions, I will say I am no expert or an authority of other factions soul make ups. In my opinion however, I think the soul is of the same stuff across the board and it is whether how much light is allowed to shine by the free will of that soul or the choices that soul has made, regardless of the species it represents. Or the polarity.

What is most disturbing is how these Dracs have cheated DEATH. Most systems that I am aware of have a death cycle or a transition cycle. Usually there is a station where the soul goes back to and gets debriefed and adjustments are made and new lessons are given and the soul starts again on another quest. These Dracs have found a way to by pass that and have their own place or station as it were, to re spawn with full memory of who or what they were previously. In part, the technology in Egypt was used to do this. Now I also know there are other aliens who have done this but most of them know of a higher consciousness is present and honor the processes in an alignment with a God presence. The Dracs only honor their own presence. Everything and every life form is considered below them. So when I hear that there are good reptilians out there, I always end up asking where.

The greys are even a mystery. I think the government has a limited view point on them as well. Simply because they want to compartmentalize these beings. From what I have gathered, there are at least 20 species of this form out there. Not just the 4 types that have been revealed by government sources.

I have already given you in the past what has happened to Lucifer. That wasn't something made up. It also hasn't changed as to what he chose for himself. It's a done deal. One that I was allowed to witness. That event just amazed me as to the Creator's level of grace that he/she exercises. It is unlimited. It also showed me how deep the Creator's love goes for all of his/her creations no matter what they have experienced in this Universe, good or bad. No matter what polarity or frequency, these souls have chosen to experience.

This thread is a prime example of what I have mentioned in the above. Or the contents there of. And please don't feel like I dissed you by not answering all of your questions as some of those questions could apply in another thread and not here. I say that out of respect for what Brook is trying to accomplish in this thread.

Glad you are here ODM!"

Brook: "....spreading light on "dark secrets" is what I plan on doing with this post. You will not find this information in history books, or on the internet in the form of revealed "secrets" of the PTB. Some light has been shed on speculation of such...but the true nature of exactly what happened has virtually been erased....as was the continent of Atlantis, and Lumaria. All that is left is what some might tap into, and how much of that was filtered? Oh for sure there is truth in many of the stories of these kinds....and the puzzle is being slowly put together. So I will provide a piece of that puzzle here now. The role played by some key characters...and what the truth is about the story's they put forth...to get you to believe in something quite different.

One small but rather important piece that only the players themselves would be able to share...but as of yet have not....mainly because...the lies have overshadowed the truth. I have tapped into that truth.....and as such would be labeled a "loon" by the very ones that would see this story remain undiscovered. And for a very long time, I was afraid to share this....for the reason of safety...a fear program.......and because my emotional body was not ready to deal with such exposure, and the nature of the very concepts it surrounds. I have since overcome that emotion...and can now share what it is I have to reveal.....a small portion of the truth that you all have the right to know. And the role of the "players"...and where they stood in all of this.

So lets start with some "key" players.....

Thoth...lineage..pure reptilian...Annunaki

Ptah...lineage...pure reptilian...Annunaki

Osiris....lineage....hybrid....Annunaki, feline....of the "royal" bloodline, earth based

Set...lineage....hybrid....annunaki, feline....of the "royal" bloodline, earth based

Isis.....lineage....hybrid....feline, earth based ...of direct decent...mother Sekhemt...of the royal lineage....and direct genetic coding to the discs and "throne"

Ra.....lineage.....sirian.....hybird.....of "Sun" decent....NOT ANNUNAKI....and in charge of operations here on earth, to oversee the Sirian feline earth based seeding.

So a marriage...to create a royal blood line....with direct connection to the "Discs", and the "throne"....between Osiris and Isis....set up by Ptah...who is now in control of operations.....a very bad marriage at that. Not the wonderful one painted in history. In fact..the so called "sister" of Isis....was nothing more than a story...she was actually a mistress to Osiris...and Isis had take her under her wing....to protect her. It also gave Isis the relief of having to be with Osiris...who she detested. Isis had no such sister....but took on Nephthys as a sister...and taught her how to do many things...one of which was how to tolerate Osiris.

As the story would have you believe.....Isis gathered together the pieces of Osiris with her "sister"...leaving out one piece...very appropriate....the phallus. She claimed the fish ate it......Now that's a fish story! and then she created the "book of the dead". to resurrect Osiris...and created a phallus of "sand" and impregnated herself with his seed to create Horus.

Oh boy...here goes....the truth is this.....in that tomb of Osiris...a meeting took place. Sekhemt, Ra and Isis.....the egg of Sekhmet the sperm of Ra were joined and Isis was made a surrogate of a "royal bloodline"...not of the Osiris, Hybrid....reptilian line but the feline sun lineage....and was made to be the watcher for Ra...the "eye of Horus" was a symbol of Ra...also know as the "Eye of Ra".....and Sekhmet...to watch over the goings on from the direct meddling of the Annunaki. And to carry on the line of those who were directly involved in the technology that had been stolen, and used to create for lack of a better term..."abominations"...of what should have been our direct connection to mother earth, and our universal lineage. Rather then fragmenting us and creating a "slave race"...to be multiplied and used for the purposes that you now hear of..that many have tapped into that truth and are now seeing...but few know how it came about...the actual deeds that created this time line...not the one that source intended.

Have you all stopped yet to think...what became of Isis? How did she die? did she really carry on to give all of these so call "channeling s" that are so prevalent on the internet and in the "new age" community? And if so....why don't you hear this story? And how come you don't hear of her "passing" as you do of Osiris? And what of this story that Horus is Jesus?....Isis is Mary?.....not hardly.

There is however a connection to that story. Another surrogate....Mary...named after the Mother Mary lineage.....surrogate to Jesus.....brought here to tell some truth....through a similar fashion as Horus. Propagated by the felines....but Jesus is not Feline.....the only connection is the cooperation of the geneticists...the Felines that helped with his birth. And the link..is the Star of Sirius.....cooperation to recreate where Horus failed...because Horus was found out...and challenged by his brother Set. Brother Set you say????? Wait....Set was the brother of Osiris......Caught them in another lie didn't we? Set the one that murdered Osiris...now after Horus.....a power hungry one he was....And Osiris...the brother of Isis?...........only in the sense that the lineage of a hybrid brought that in true form.....Remember...Osiris..hybrid....reptilian, feline..and earth based being......but not the sister of Isis in any form...other then the feline lineage that they wanted to keep in line with the genetic coding

And what of Isis? Where did she disappear to? Death ...at the hands of Ptah....who was furious with her, for reasons I will not share here..just yet anyway. But when one does not cooperate with a reptilian....at that time....it's death in a snake pit...and that was her end.....only to be remembered by those who had stories to tell of here visits..to such places as Greece. and with her she would bring the most extraordinary gifts.

Now you are probably wondering how I can relate such a story...and where the information came from. did I channel it?....not really.....but that is something I will not share on a forum. However, I will tell you I have validation.....and that I will not share on a forum either.

There are many more parts to this story....this is only a small but significant part. There are the Discs....and other factions involved...and this story would make "Gone with the Wind"...look like a child's book."

What if Gabriel is the hard-core Angelic-Opposition to the Human-Experiment?? What if Lucifer was the First-Creator?? What if Michael was the Re-Creator?? I have no idea how close to the truth this speculation might be -- but I keep thinking this thing is REALLY nasty, ancient, and complex!! Once again, I am troubled by the lack of sermons about Lucifer in the Bible. There is only that one direct mention of Lucifer (in Isaiah 14). I think there might've been a murder and a cover-up!! Sorry if this offends -- but shouldn't we consider ALL Possibilities??!! I still wonder if the three hypothetical Archangels pulled-off some sort of a False-Flag War in Heaven -- creating a Power-Vacuum to Cleanse the Sanctuary of That Which Defiles!! I often think that the REAL Theological-Realities are MUCH Worse than Atheism and Agnosticism -- which might be why we've been lied-to for thousands of years!! I think we might live in a very rough and tumble universe which they don't tell us about in Sunday-School and Sabbath-School!! My theory is that this Solar System is One Big Business with One CEO (going way, way, way back). My theory is that Research (of any subject) is a Form of Worship. My theory is that even Irreverent Theological-Speculation is a Form of Worship. My theory is that history should be studied -- but not relied-upon. Anyone could write anything in antiquity -- and how can we possibly know (in modernity) how honest and accurate they were?? I have suggested the following study-list (among others) but imposing this sort of thing on modernity might be a grave-error.

1. Job through Daniel (KJV).
2. Luke through James (KJV).
3. Sacred Classical Music.

Try reading Job through Daniel side by side with Luke through James -- straight-through -- over and over -- while listening to Sacred Classical Music!! I do it for answers!! What if massive-doses of all of the above might awaken hidden insights and memories -- or what if there is a hidden programming-modality contained within these historical materials?? I think my U.S.S.S. threads play with burning magnesium -- but should we really avoid this sort of study?? I have suggested that these threads merely get you close to the "truth" -- but that they are not the "truth". I am more disoriented and despondent than you can imagine. My efforts seem to have accomplished less than nothing -- and I often wish I had never been born. I hate my life.

 

Carol wrote:

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2014/07/new-treatment-for-depression-shows-immediate-results/
New treatment for depression shows immediate results
Substantial mood improvement seen after treatment with low-field magnetic stimulation

July 28, 2014 - By Adriana Bobinchock, McLean Hospital Communications

Individuals with major depressive disorder or bipolar disorder who receive low-field magnetic stimulation (LFMS) show immediate and substantial mood improvement, McLean Hospital researchers report in the Aug. 1 issue of Biological Psychiatry.

“LFMS is unlike any current treatment. It uses magnetic fields that are a fraction of the strength but at a higher frequency than the electromagnetic fields used in TMS [transcranial magnetic stimulation] and ECT [electroconvulsive therapy],” explained first author Michael Rohan, a physicist at McLean Hospital’s Brain Imaging Center and a lecturer at Harvard Medical School.

According to Rohan, although other brain stimulation treatments like ECT and TMS are often effective for the treatment of depression, they typically take longer to impact mood, and ECT is associated with side effects such as memory loss.

Similarly, while antidepressant medications can be highly effective for treating depression, it can take between four to six weeks before mood changes are detected.

“Importantly, LFMS appears to have an immediate effect on mood and thus has the potential to provide relief in emergency situations,” explained Rohan, who first reported the potential use of LFMS to treat depression in a groundbreaking study in 2004. “In addition to providing quick relief from symptoms, the other exciting piece about LFMS is that no side effects have been observed.”

Using a portable tabletop LFMS device that Rohan designed, the researchers studied 63 volunteers between the ages of 18 and 65. All participants had been diagnosed with either major depressive disorder or bipolar disorder and had been on a regimen of antidepressants or mood-stabilizing medications for at least six weeks. Of the study participants, 34 actively received LFMS, while the other 29 went through the process but did not actually receive any brain stimulation. Since neither the patients nor the researchers knew which participants had actually received the treatment, the true effect of the LFMS could be measured.

Each participant rated his or her mood before and after the single 20-minute treatment using two common self-assessment tools: a visual analog scale and the positive and negative affect schedule. Participants who received the LFMS treatment indicated a marked improvement in their mood, while those whose brains were not stimulated reported no change in mood.

“We observed immediate improvement in mood following relatively brief exposure to LFMS,” noted Rohan. “Although larger research studies are needed, we think LFMS could be a powerful tool as a rapidly acting treatment for depression, either alone or in combination with medication.”

Biological Psychiatry also published commentary from experts on brain stimulation who said Rohan’s work on LFMS is exciting and shows great promise.

“If the results described in this study are replicated in larger studies and the effects are shown to be durable, LFMS would be a welcome addition to the clinical armamentarium in the treatment of depression, may find application in other psychiatric and neurologic diseases, and may help to inform and guide us toward future directions in neuromodulation,” wrote Mouhsin Shafi, Philip Stern, and Alvaro Pascual-Leone.

According to Rohan, additional research is already underway to find the best parameters for LFMS use in the clinical treatment of depression. He has also started a research study to evaluate the effects of multiple rather than to single treatments, and measure how long the antidepressant effects last following treatment.

McLean Hospital is an affiliate of Harvard Medical School.

New treatment for depression shows immediate results
In a study at Harvard-affiliated McLean Hospital, individuals with major depressive disorder or bipolar disorder who received low-field magnetic stimulation (LFMS) ... View on news.harvard.edu

orthodoxymoron wrote:Stop "searching for the truth" -- stop "posting on the internet" -- stop trying to "save the world" -- and just join the Masons -- go to church -- then "get back to work" -- and focus on obtaining "fame, fortune, power, and pleasure" in the name of "Jeeezzuz!!" "There it is!!" "No More Depression!!" "Praise God!!"

Carol wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:I was sort of joking -- and sort of serious. "Doing the Right-Thing" and "Telling the Truth" are often punished in the world we live in. "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished". Satan supposedly has an Office at Goldman Sachs!! Satan supposedly has a lot to do with Religion (as we know it)!! I've spoken with an Individual of Interest who speaks of "The Bottom-Line is the Bottom-Line"!! I keep thinking about King David -- King Solomon -- and the Queen of Sheba. That's all I'm going to say!!

B.B.Baghor wrote:

Well, I guess...just keep on trucking. What was it about doing a grade over, ortho? Sounds just like it, in the first part of this post of yours. For this reason I've posted some old tubbies, a while ago, in the "Disclosure: From suppression to Contact and Interaction" thread, designed by bobhardee. I'm amazed at time, about your work on the U.S.S.S. ortho, for I've never found any person online and in real life, who can nail the present reality on the head, running around like a hunting dog sniffing out the foxes and rabbits. With all the increase of "nothing is as it seems and much is upside down" plus the widening of research fields, due to internet, it now seems to become almost a 7-24 hours-job in an economy of news-sharing. Have a break

orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you B.B. I don't know who the Hidden-Factions really are -- or what they're really all-about -- but I think the B.S. is planned and orchestrated by one (or all) of the Hidden-PTB -- and that this thing is really ancient and nasty. I'm in no position to know what's really going on -- and I'm becoming less and less inclined to dig deeper. I'm actually trying to climb completely out of the rabbit-hole -- and resume some form of "normal" -- regardless of how abnormal "normal" really is (by universal-standards).

TRANCOSO wrote:An intriguing paper on the 'Apollo was hoaxed' hypothesis.

Apollo and the Van Allen Belts - an estimate of the radiation dose received
Robert A. Braeunig
September-2014

During the period 1968-1972, the United States sent nine manned missions, named Apollo, to the Moon. These missions remain the only flights in history to send human beings beyond low Earth orbit. To reach the Moon, these spacecraft had to pass through regions of intense ionizing radiation called the Van Allen radiation belts (VARB). The VARB are named after American space scientist Dr. James A. Van Allen (1914-2006), who designed the experiment that first detected them in 1958.

Because radiation is a scary word to those who really don't know much about it, the VARB are often targeted by conspiracy theorists who claim the Apollo lunar missions were nothing but a colossal hoax. They say the VARB are an impenetrable barrier deadly to any spacefarer who attempts to traverse them. The truth is much different and more complex. Whether or not the VARB are impassable is a problem with a calculable solution. In this article I will endeavor to solve the radiation problem by producing an estimate of the radiation dose received by the Apollo astronauts. Only then can we see the truth in uncertain terms.

This page is a companion to my previous article, Apollo 11's Translunar Trajectory (and how they avoided the heart of the radiation belts), in which I computed the trajectories that the Apollo 11 mission flew to and from the Moon. This gives us knowledge of the exact time and location of Apollo 11 within the VARB, allowing determination of the radiation levels to which the spacecraft was subjected during its passage through this region. Although Apollo 11 will be our test subject, it should be understood that all the Apollo missions flew similar trajectories. We can therefore consider Apollo 11 representative of all lunar flights.

CONTINUE: http://www.braeunig.us/apollo/VABraddose.htm

orthodoxymoron wrote:I appreciate your work, Eartheart -- but could someone please provide an interpretation of this entire thread in plain English?? I'm often a ready and willing student of even the Thuban stuff -- but most of the time, there is no bridge between my frame of reference -- and what I'm being bombarded with. I've tried to be open-minded about so many things -- but in retrospect I have to ask why I even bothered?! My quest has left me quite disillusioned. Sound reasoning and questioning gets ignored and ridiculed. One brand of mumbo-jumbo gets replaced by another version of mumbo-jumbo. Whether it's traditional religious mumbo-jumbo or new-age double-talk -- the common-denominator often seems to be "Screwing Humanity and the Earth". I'm almost to the point of just reading a couple of New York Newspapers, while listening to Sacred-Classical Music -- and calling it "good".

"The Van Allen Belts Never Hurt Anyone!!"
"Kiss Me You Completely-Ignorant Fool!!"
"I Don't Bite!!"

"I fight with myself 24/7
and I just knocked myself out!!"

SuiGeneris wrote:

rich228 wrote:I would like to ask Abraxas and her so called 'Council of Thuban,' why they are possessing people and holding them hostage in their own bodies and implanting them with excruciating devices that causes intense suffering for years on end (12 years and counting in my case)? Oh...and why they lie, and deceive, mislead, act in a degenerative manner, disrespect the body of the host, causing them to hurt themselves in agony, pain, and unrelenting suffering caused by the entities possessing the body. Is this part of the dragonization process? Is this legit?

Dear Rich228,

tsk tsk tsk... *sighs*

Ok i wasn't going to answer this at first, but then on second thought....you might need to hear this...

I don't know who you are or how you've come to this conclusion that what you call the 'Council of Thuban' is doing all that, but let me make it clear to you that it is not Abraxas or our Thuban Coven.  If it is in fact a 'Council' who is doing this to you, then it has to be a different Council altogether...but let's try to examine this further...

The type of "possession" you are describing seems to be the result of a psychic self-attack that originates in the mind of the believer and inevitably expands onto all the rest of the person's bodies (emotional, physical, etc, etc..) causing great havoc in its path and duration.  It often arises form a series of half understood religious and pseudo-religious dogmas, conditionings and deeply rooted memeplexes with its often missed but no less dangerous fanatical ideologies and delusions.  

Of course you would believe that this entity or entities who are doing this "possessing" are mean and evil because they have more power than you and are therefore abusing you in order to gain something out of it...right?  If this is the case then you are seeing yourself as a helpless victim and you are placing yourself exactly right where these so called "entities" want you to be.

Perhaps one day you would be able to verify first hand if these entities truly exist in the physical and/or ethereal plane...but until then let's just assume they do exist "somewhere out there", "behind the veil" as the Wizard of Oz ok?...as a separate entity from yourself.  "How could I stop these attacks?",  "Why me?"   I bet you asked yourself these questions and more for the past 12 years...yes?

If you are thinking you are struggling against principalities, against "powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places" then you might be closer to the truth than thinking you are struggling against someone, of flesh and blood, found here on this planet that is separate from you, who is somehow remotely sending some of his weird voodoo stuff to you because well...he might have nothing better to do.

To answer your question..."Is this legit?"   What i just said to you about the "powers" is legit.  Your misconceptions are not.  

"Is this part of the dragonization process?"   The struggle is.  As it has to be present to some degree in all transformations.

You see you cannot become a "Dragon" (Starhuman, Superhuman, evolved entity or however you want to term it), by merely sitting there dramatizing about being a victim wishing for an easy way out, for the Et's to land and rescue you or for the rapture to happen.  And I am not trying to diminish your pain and suffering either.  I am sorry to hear you have suffered so much for so long.  I know the pain experienced is real and it is unfortunate that so many millions of people all around the world go through this same type of pain everyday not finding a solution and losing all hope as a result.  

But if you would only just consider that all this evilness is not only found outside of you but also inside, then you would perhaps begin to realize how much you yourself are involved in the creation of all this "unrelenting suffering".  Now in these end times it is critical for all who wish to exit this Prison World to first be able to exit the prison of themselves.  

And how do you do that?  

First you need to be able to recognize it.  Look in the mirror and really see what reflects back.  If you really seek..."it" will choose you and it will try to kill you.  Yes...kill you.  Just like Neytiri explained to Jake Sully as he was seeking his "Dragon"... Just how the mirror became black and tried to 'eat' Neo alive...and so the real battle begins....

Will you take the blue pill or the red pill? take the blue pill and you can continue to believe you are being attacked and there's nothing you can do about it, take the red pill and you can begin to do something proactive for your own benefit, but first you must fundamentally change the way you think.  Are you willing to do that? Do you see now why it is a struggle for most?
.....hell and EVEN IF..the Matrix with its huge oceans of energy being guided by this invisible "Council" ARE coming 'into you' taking possession of your soul, raping you, torturing you, sucking every last bit of energy possible from you...and all the rest of it...the second that you become aware of "IT" it's checkmate, it loses control over you.  The all seeing eye is not used to being seen....it likes no competition.  Now try to see IT with the same mindset that's been around for the last two thousand years and you'll see how far that will take you.

Do not be afraid of yourself...for anything that you are afraid of outside of you is really an inner fear found within.  

Know, that the only thing that can truly hold you hostage in your own body are your thoughts and your thought patterns because everything must become manifested through the Mind first.  Therefore, seek to know thyself above all so you would then control yourself...fully, that way no one can touch you.  

I also suggest you try to live a healthy lifestyle, eat right, get enough sunshine, listen to music, do what you like, walk in the sand or barefoot on the grass...FALL IN LOVE...you know...take care of the physical body too to the extent that you can, be gentle with yourself...especially if you ever decide to go down the rabbit hole...you'll need a lot of patience, stamina and a good disposition and that's just for starters...

May the Cosmic Logos guide you on your path.

In the Vesica,

orthodoxymoron wrote:This is the sort of thing which deeply troubles me -- and which I keep hearing about. I don't necessarily have a problem with strange-ideas and strange-individuals -- but suffering, torture, possession, deception, exploitation, murder, and mayhem DEEPLY-DISTURB me. I think there has been a spiritual-war in this solar-system for thousands of years -- and that it continues to this very day -- but I can't prove it. I've taken a lot of my conceptualizations into the realm of science-fiction (with a heavy emphasis on politics and religion). My pseudo-quest has made a wreck out of me -- and a lot of the distress seems to be more than just mental and physical maladjustment. I feel distinctly spiritually-harassed (but I can't prove it). rich288 seems to be in a deeper dilemma than I can imagine -- and I think this sort of thing is a very real phenomenon -- but I obviously don't know the particulars of this situation. I imagine various factions and realms struggling for power (and who knows what?) in this solar-system (with lots of 'innocent-souls' becoming 'collateral-damage'). Those who purposely make 'deals with the devil' are in serious trouble (from what little I know about such things). It seems as if they join some sort of a 'Spiritual-Mafia' which is nearly impossible to walk-away from (and/or start talking-about). I think I was offered a chance to join (several years ago) -- and I declined. If I had accepted -- I think I'd probably be a 'perfectly-possessed insider' by now. The price-tag for some things is simply too high. In my religious-background "Witches", "Covens", "Dungeons", and "Dragons" raise "Red-Flags". A few weeks ago -- an attractive complete-stranger told me they had been accused of being "Witchy" -- to which I replied "Being a Witch Isn't Necessarily a Bad-Thing! It Just Depends on Which Witch You Happen to Be!!"

orthodoxymoron wrote:I don't know who the Hidden-Factions really are -- or what they're really all-about -- but I think the B.S. is planned and orchestrated by one (or all) of the Hidden-PTB -- and that this thing is really ancient and nasty. I'm in no position to know what's really going on -- and I'm becoming less and less inclined to dig deeper. I'm actually trying to climb completely out of the rabbit-hole -- and resume some form of "normal" -- regardless of how abnormal "normal" really is (by universal-standards).

enemyofNWO wrote:Greeting Ortho ,

This is a brief review of events that happened in the last few years . This might help in showing the patterns .  From those i have reached my conclusion . What happened in Libya  was directly instigated by President Hollande and Cameron . Hollande at the moment is trying to subdue Mali ,this country has Uranium and gold mines . Cameron wants to bomb Syria . We know how successful the plan to destabilize Libya has been , the place is destroyed and refugees are trying to escape to Europe . Syria is the same story , Assad is still there thanks to Uncle Vlad , but most of the country is destroyed ..... another successful intervention ( sarcasm ) of the western criminals in the Middle East . One thing is certain , the tribe controls England with Cameron , In France the Zionists have been successful in installing 2 consecutive French Presidents ( Sarkozy and Hollande ) , In Australia Zionists from both Labor and Liberal parties have been in control for many decades . More than one Australian Prime Minister has had a Park or a Forest dedicated to him in Israel . Now in New Zealand there is the same story . With a population of about 4 million people and about a few thousand from the tribe , the Kiwis chose a member of the tribe for Prime Minister . Isn't this strange  ?   All those events are part of a concerted plan to take over the world . Think about Hillary Clinton  with a daughter married into the tribe , Donald Trump , same story . I see an obvious pattern that indicates the intentions of the Zionists   . Italy is not exempted from this . At moment the Movimento 5 stelle is gaining approval in the electorate . The Leader Beppe Grillo has confessed of having met the USA ambassador in ROME . I think that his backers are from the tribe . One major newspapers that support him is run by members of the tribe , recently a new TV chain has come to life , it is called LA 7 and this network main job is to minimize the crimes of the Apartheid state and shine  positive light on Israeli deeds .  The EU is owned by the tribe , think about this . Merkel gave gifts of submarines to the Apartheid state . As soon as the coup d'etat in Kiev finished , the Eu leaders run to Kiev to congratulate the Zionists in charge  . Then there was the scuttling of the South Stream project that was against the interest of the European citizens , the sanctions against Russia , again against the interest of the EU voters and now there is the migrant crisis , a clear Trojan Horse full of young , able bodied  migrant possible 5th columnist , there are only few women and kids . It is clearly an attempt to brownize Europe . None of the halfwits  in charge in the EU ask to review the foreign policies of that failed organization . By their deeds you can see the plan , you just have to analyze it . Be well.

orthodoxymoron wrote:

Thank-you eNWO. That was quite a mouthful -- that leaves a bad-taste in one's mouth -- and it's not "just a few bad-apples"...

"You Have Been Assimilated Into the New World Order!!"
"Resistance is Futile!! Now Get Back to Work!!"

"I Did It For the Children!!"

orthodoxymoron wrote:I'm really NOT joking about living alone and isolated in a Shallow-Underground 600 Square-Foot Office-Apartment somewhere in the Mountains -- possibly accessible only by foot or air. This wouldn't be so much of a survivalist-thing as it would be an anti rat-race thing. I honestly don't think there is anyplace to hide (long-term) but I'm simply becoming less and less anxious to deal directly with the madness. On the other hand -- if you all like things the way they are -- perhaps the madness can persist for all eternity -- but I wouldn't count on it.

Why do you think I've moved to rural Britain, ortho? It's to be away from places where scarcity hits hardest: cities.
I've never had such a strong urge, in the first month of this year 2015, to leave and make my move overseas, after
4 years of planning. I don't know how the present situation will evolve, for it's in the making moment by moment,
as I see it. There's a reason, meaningful only for my life, that I need to be in a place where life conditions are very good.
I've chosen to be part of Renaissance nr. 2

Regarding the Bible and the value of it in finding truth, I'm not relying on it that much. As a minister's daughter and
student of the origin of religions, though not as much as you're giving your time to it I think, I presume it's based on
an authentic very old text, transformed through the ages, man-made and man-ipulated, changed and flawed by over
2000 years of rewriting. To me, they appear to be a bunch of stories and reports, with little gems in it of truth, love
and wisdom. People do find comfort and beauty, inspiration and strength in it, I've witnessed this when young and
the initiative by a certain organization, to visit hotels and offer Bibles, to be put in each room, isn't strange to me.

This "- - if you all like things the way they are - -" of yours seems to suggest that we or I like the things the way
they are. Which isn't true to me, I don't like things the way they are, I'm very concerned and sometimes in tears
for those who try to reach safety with their families, criss-crossing borders. There are moments, when I walk in
main shopping street in Wells, that I think "How strange, that everybody is going through the same routine here,
as if nothing happened." And than I think "Many people are so far removed from how they feel, that they can't act
otherwise than as if "business" is as usual, minding their own business and securing a comfortable life. Some of
them coping with making ends meet, with difficulty".

But back now to "liking the way things are..." to me it's not about liking, but about accepting them as they are.
I'm learning to live by this: that all things are expressions of the divine, they're all Gods creations. (without any
form of personalizing God) To me, God represents the dreamed idea or concept of love and planet Earth repre-
sents to me the dream coming true, the manifestation of form through love. These are only poor words that I
feel don't accurately express what I mean, orth.

These Bible texts below now popped up in my mind, I like the choosing of these examples:

Matthew 10:30
"Are not two sparrows sold for a cent? And yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from your Father.
and also here "But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.…

Luke 12:7
Indeed, the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Don't be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows.

Raven wrote:

"Science without Religion Is Lame, Religion without Science Is Blind"

​

This is what Albert Einstein wrote in his letter to philosopher Eric Gutkind, in response to his receiving the book "Choose Life: The Biblical Call to Revolt". The letter was written on January 3, 1954, in German, and explains Einstein's personal beliefs regarding religion and the Jewish people; it was put on sale one year later and remained into a personal collection ever since. Now the letter is again on auction in London and has a starting price of 8,000 sterling pounds.

The letter states pretty clearly that Einstein was by no means a religious person - in fact, the great physicist saw religion as no more than a "childish superstition". "The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this", Einstein wrote.

Einstein was Jewish, which is why the people of Israel asked him once to become Israel's second president. Also, Einstein felt uncomfortable with the idea that the Jews are God's favored People.

"For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise, I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them", said Einstein.

Although, neither Einstein nor his parents were religious people, he did in fact attend the Catholic primary school. But at the age of 12 he was already questioning the truth of the stories written in the Bible. "The consequence was a positively fanatic orgy of freethinking coupled with the impression that youth is being deceived by the state through lies; it was a crushing impression", Einstein wrote. Einstein may have not believed in God, but he felt that faith was a must. This is probably why he never gave a second thought to studying the quantum theory and its random nature. He once said that "God does not throw dice", meaning that quantum theory randomness is out of the question for him. This belief in faith is probably also why his position towards religion was often misinterpreted.

"Like other great scientists he does not fit the boxes in which popular polemicists like to pigeonhole him. It is clear for example that he had respect for the religious values enshrined within Judaic and Christian traditions... but what he understood by religion was something far more subtle than what is usually meant by the word in popular discussion", said John Brook from the Oxford University, leading expert on Albert Einstein.

Einstein was often associated with atheism because of his views on conventional religion, but he never liked being called an atheist.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Scie...Religion-Without-Science-is-Blind-85550.shtml

Einstein used to speak so often of God that I tend to believe that he has been a disguised theologian.
-Friedrich Dürrenmatt in Albert Einstein (Diogenes Verlag, Zürich, 1979), p. 12, quoted in Jammer, p. 7

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Short Comments on God:
Knowing God's Thoughts
I want to know how God created this world. I'm not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details.
- From E. Salaman, "A Talk With Einstein," The Listener 54 (1955), pp. 370-371, quoted in Jammer, p. 123.

Could God Have Done It Differently?
What I am really interested in, is knowing whether God could have created the world in a different way; in other words, whether the requirement of logical simplicity admits a margin of freedom.
- C. Seelig, Helle Zeit-Dunkle Zeit (Europa Verlag, Zuürich, 1956), p.72, quoted in Jammer, p. 124.

The following comments are excerpted from Calaprice. See pp. 145 - 161.

God's Punishment
Why do you write to me "God should punish the English"? I have no close connection to either one or the other. I see only with deep regret that God punishes so many of His children for their numerous stupidities, for which only He Himself can be held responsible; in my opinion, only His nonexistence could excuse Him.
- Letter to Edgar Meyer colleague January 2, 1915 Contributed by Robert Schulmann; also see CPAE Vol. 8 (forthcoming).

God and Goodness
Whatever there is of God and goodness in the universe, it must work itself out and express itself through us. We cannot stand aside and let God do it.
- From conversation recorded by Algernon Black, Fall 1940; Einstein Archive 54-834

God's worry
If God has created the world, his primary worry was certainly not to make its understanding easy for us.
- Letter to David Bohm, February 10, 1954; Einstein Archive 8-041

An Unperceivable Being
To assume the existence of an unperceivable being ... does not facilitate understanding the orderliness we find in the perceivable world.
- Letter to an Iowa student who asked, What is God? July, 1953; Einstein Archive 59-085

Awe of the Structure of the World
I don't try to imagine a God; it suffices to stand in awe of the structure of the world, insofar as it allows our inadequate senses to appreciate it.
- Letter to S. Flesch, April 16, 1954; Einstein Archive 30-1154

Conversation on Religion and Antisemitism
See Bucky and Weakland pp. 85 - 87. This book contains the record of various conversations between Bucky and Einstein over a thirty year period.

BUCKY:
It's ironic that your namc has been synonymous with science in the twentieth century, and yet there has always been a lot of controversy surrounding you in relation to religious questions. How do you account for this unusual circumstance, since science and religion are usually thought to be at odds?

EINSTEIN:
Well, I do not think that it is necessarily the case that science and religion are natural opposites. In fact, I think that there is a very close connection between the two. Further, I think that science without religion is lame and, conversely, that religion without science is blind. Both are important and should work hand-in-hand. It seems to mc that whoever doesn't wonder about the truth in religion and in science might as well be dead.

BUCKY:
So then, you consider yourself to be a religious man?

EINSTEIN:
I believe in mystery and, frankly, I sometimes face this mystery with great fear. In other words, I think that there are many things in the universe that we cannot perceive or penetrate and that also we experience some of the most beautiful things in life in only a very primitive form. Only in relation to these mysteries do I consider myself to be a religious man. But I sense these things deeply. What I cannot understand is how there could possibly be a God who would reward or punish his subjects or who could induce us to develop our will in our daily life.

BUCKY:
You don't believe in God, then?

EINSTEIN:
Ah, this is what I mean about religion and science going hand-in-hand! Each has a place, but each must be relegated to its sphere. Let's assume that we are dealing with a theoretical physicist or scientist who is very well-acquainted with the different laws of the universe, such as how the planets orbit the sun and how the satellites in turn orbit around their respective planets. Now, this man who has studied and understands these different laws-how could he possibly believe in one God who would be capable of disturbing the paths of these great orbiting masses?

No, the natural laws of science have not only been worked out theoretically but have been proven also in practice. I cannot then believe in this concept of an anthropomorphic God who has the powers of interfering with these natural laws. As I said before, the most beautiful and most profound religious emotion that we can experience is the sensation of the mystical. And this mysticality is the power of all true science. If there is any such concept as a God, it is a subtle spirit, not an image of a man that so many have fixed in their minds. In essence, my religion consists of a humble admiration for this illimitable superior spirit that reveals itself in the slight details that we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble minds .

BUCKY:
Do you think perhaps that most people need religion to keep them in check, so to speak?

EINSTEIN:
No, clearly not. I do not believe that a man should be restrained in his daily actions by being afraid of punishment after death or that he should do things only because in this way he will be rewarded after he dies. This does not make sense. The proper guidance during the life of a man should be the weight that he puts upon ethics and the amount of consideration that he has for others. Education has a great role to play in this respect. Religion should have nothing to do with a fear of living or a fear of death, but should instead be a striving after rational knowledge.

BUCKY:
And yet, with all of these thoughts, you are still identified strongly in the public mind as definitely Jewish and this certainly is a very traditional religion.

EINSTEIN:
Actually, my first religious training of any kind was in the Catholic catechism. A fluke, of course, only because the primary school that I first went to was a Catholic one. I was, as a matter of fact, the only Jewish child in the school. This actually worked to my advantage, since it made it easier for me to isolate myself from the rest of the class and find that comfort in solitude that I so cherished.

BUCKY:
But don't you find any discrepancy between your previous somewhat anti-religious statements and your willingness to be identified publicly as a Jew?

EINSTEIN:
Not necessarily. Actually it is a very difficult thing to even define a Jew. The closest that I can come to describing it is to ask you to visualize a snail. A snail that you see at the ocean consists of the body that is snuggled inside of the house which it always carries around with it. But let's picture what would happen if we lifted the shell off of the snail. Would we not still describe the unprotected body as a snail? In just the same way, a Jew who sheds his faith along the way, or who even picks up a different one, is still a Jew.

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The photograph is the last known picture of Einstein, taken in March, 1955. The photograph was scanned from Subtle is the Lord...: The Science and the Life of Albert Einstein by Abraham Pais

I cannot then believe in this concept of an anthropomorphic God who has the powers of interfering with these natural laws. As I said before, the most beautiful and most profound religious emotion that we can experience is the sensation of the mystical. And this mysticality is the power of all true science. If there is any such concept as a God, it is a subtle spirit, not an image of a man that so many have fixed in their minds. - Albert Einstein, in conversation
http://einsteinandreligion.com/bucky.html with Gustav Bucky

To assume the existence of an unperceivable being ... does not facilitate understanding the orderliness we find in the perceivable world. - Albert Einstein, responding http://einsteinandreligion.com/godcomments.html to an Iowa student who asked, "What is God?" July 1953; Einstein Archive 59-085

A Scientific Definition for the 'Universal Intelligence' aka 'God'​

Stanley McKeown wrote (August 2009) in theoretical_physics yahoo forum:
Re: [Theoretical_Physics] Re: The Unified Trinity of Atheist-Spiritualist-Supernaturalist

Dear Alexk23000,
I agree that science must be open minded (please find me a religion that is open minded).
But the idea of 'unknowable' gods does not further science. I use the word 'unknowable' because that is the word used by all religions, who‚ are surely the experts in their version of their gods. Yet again we come across the confusion that the unknowable must be labelled god.
Please, please some evidence that god is singular, at least as a starting point!!!!!!! !!! Then please, some of his/her/its/ their attributes to further our discussion.
Your eager scholar, Stan

And again, Stanley addressed Ron:

Dear n.s.p.o.paranormal,
Thank you for explaining it so simply. Although I personally am totally unsure what 'it' is.
It seems to me that the thrust of your argument is, 'The world exists so a super-intelligence created it'.
I may have got your concept wrong so....
Now please, describe some of the attributes of your concept of "a super intelligent computer controlling the universe".

a)=1.What is it's power source?
b)=2.What operating system or rules does it use to process it's output?
c)=3.What is it's output?
d)=4.When did it start?
e)=5.When will it stop?

I could go on but it's your concept, you take the initiarive. I am sure that the readers of this web site are eager to learn.
Your eager pupil, Stan

And again, Stanley asked Zachary:

Dear Zachery,
I appreciate that you admit that you do not know your god's APPEARANCE, MIND nor PLAN.
I would be grateful if you would elaborate on those aspects of your god that you do know, so that we, the members, might learn and discuss.
How about starting with:

f)=(Q1) inside/outside the universe
g)=(Q2) creator of the laws of physics
h)=(Q3) subject to these laws
i)=(Q4) the god hierarchy, does your god have a god or is he/she/it/they the TOP?

Please note that those who propose their god on this website should enlighten the readers with issues such as these.
Please request the wider readers as to what they would like to learn about the attributes of deities/supernatural beings..
Please note that I differentiate between the unknown and the unknowable. The unknown is that with which science grapples.
The unknowable is the realm of philosophy, superstitionand imagination. There will always be those who invent/create/perpetuate the unknowable. I suggest that the unknowable is a sterile area for science, since it will retreat from science as science decreases the unknown.
I suggest to you that the members of this website may not appreciate fruitless debate on the unknowable. Your eager correspondent, Stan​

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The postings of Alex, Ron, Zachary and Brian are below the following dispensation for individual contextualised discernment.
I shall answer Stanley's questions in the oredered labelings and the bold highlightings as indicated by his own wordings (sic).

Dear Stanley,

It is no longer necessary for anyone to remain in 'the dark' as to the 'nature of God' or of 'being totally unsure of what 'it' is'. The human evolutionary pathology has attained a nexus point, where the human sentience has developed sufficiently to use its deductive logic and its scientific reasoning to solve its own questions and insecurities regarding origins, purpose and destiny. The necessity for any 'God-concept' to be physically realisable was known by Isaac Newton and most of the so termed 'Natural Philosophers' as the forerunners of what today is labeled 'scientist'. Newton knew, that IF a 'scriptural God' like the one(s) found in the Christian bible COULD exist, then it would have to 'be scientific' in the sense of Leibnitz's 'Monad' or Spinoza's 'Essence' or Einstein's 'Old One'. So you may see, that your mentally skeptical postion regarding 'unknowable spiritual things' could be labeled as following in the 'footsteps of Newton' and many pioneers of contemporary science since the renaissance of the 17th century. However the scientific data base had to await the onset of physical knowledge and models of the 21st century to accumulate enough information to actually enable the PROCESSING of the required data, which had conglomerated since the dawn of time in the thermodynamic cosmology of the universe.

And so I, in the function of 'God's Advocate', shall present to you in the function of the 'Devil's Advocate', the "God of Science", so passionately searched for by Isaac Newton in the latter's 'Office of the Alchemist of OmniScience' (inclusive of the 'unknowable spiritual things'). What you shall do with this 'mystery solving' information will be up to you as the 'Skeptical Inquirer'. You may take this new dispensation 'to heart' and realise just how you are an intrinsic part of this 'God' or you may dismiss 'it' and in so doing actually 'deny' the innermost part of being of yourself.

1=a) What is it's power source?
2=b) What operating system or rules does it use to process it's output?
3=c) What is it's output?
4=d) When did it start?
5=e) When will it stop?
6=f) (Q1) inside/outside the universe
7=g) (Q2) creator of the laws of physics
8=h) (Q3) subject to these laws
9=i) (Q4) the god hierarchy, does your god have a god or is he/she/it/they the TOP?

1. God's Power-Source

God's Power-Source is a form of 'eternal energy', yet 'unitarily particularised' not definable in any spacetime except in its mathematical formalism.
This mathematical logos so specifies what this concept of 'eternity' relative to its antistate of temporality implies. Those specifications then must also DEFINE the omniness of anything in relation to the God-concept. In its most simple terms; the 'eternal energy' becomes a 'physicalisable' energy residing not in spacetimematter, but in a subplenum. The subplenum is nontemporal, nonlocal and nonmaterial; but is defined in the mathematical principles and rules attaining to numerical systems, all based upon the binary code both algebraically and geometrically. The geometric form of the 'Closed' Zero-Loop becomes physicalised in the 'Open' One-Loop or the Superstring and which then leads definition of a binary numeracy rootextended into the decimal in the archetypical set:

Binary-Monad BM: {0,1} → Decimal-Monad DM: {0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9}.

The subplenum so becomes a 2-dimensional Complex plane, with origin the Unity of the Binary-Monad BM, i.e. the eigenstate of either open-ended or closed superstring loops. It is this UNITY within the subplenum (as itself and as a prior definition for 'God'), which then allows the nonphysicalised nature of God to define itself without the existence of space, time and/or matter. This nonphysicality then utilizes the UNITY of ITSELF to extend its own self-definition by application of fundamental principles (see hierarchy of God in 9.). In particular, the 6th principle of inversion allows the algebraic concept of the ratio to assume limiting functionalities (say in convergent and divergent asymptotic series and number sequences). This then allows boundary- and initial conditions for a subsequent physical reality to become established in the 'complex manifold' of the subplenum. Division of the Unity=1 AS the Open-Geometric-Superstring by the Zero=0 AS the Closed-Geometric-Superstring so applies the Principle of Inversion WITHIN the Decimal-Monad hierarchy and DEFINES the quantum relativity between the subplenum and itself as a plenum comprised of the UNITY eigenstate.

The Unified Power-Source so is a God-Quantum which has UNLIMITED energy in the subplenum, because the 'Counting' of such subplenum units represents a 'Wholey Trinity' in being simultaneously Unity=FinityAfter=1 and Zero=FinityBefore=0 and Eternity=Infinity=∞

God's Power-Source represents an Infinite Reservoir of SourceSink Subplenum 'IMAGINATION-Energy'; defined in the UNITY-God-Quantum and in an 'IMAGE-Energy', which becomes manifested in finite partiality in selfcontained closed systems, such as a Planck-Black Body-Radiator defining the entropy-related thermodynamic expansion (and cooling) of a physically finitised universe.


2. God's Operating System (OS) and Processor

God's OS is then the plenum of a physically imaged universe. The eternity of God becomes 'trapped' in the asymptotic definitions of the 'Laws of Nature', which are all based on the algorithmic nature of the string monadic sets, which, under utility of the hierarchical principalities, allow mathematical relationships and proportionalities to become defined in abstract terms of the complex unity of the subplenum, before becoming IMAGED in the physicality of the finite spacetimematter, termed the universe's cosmogony and cosmology.

3. God's Output-Input Function

God's Input is naturally the UNIT of itself as the God-Quantum. Iow, the quantization of the physicalised universe becomes a holofractal multiplication or quanta count of God itself. The universe, being a 'count' of God-Units so differentiates itself as the plenum of 'Finity of Measurement' from the subplenum of 'Infinity of Nonmensuration'. Alternatively expressed, the metric spacetimes within a selfcontained thermodynamic system, subject to statistical integration of multidimensional and multifaceted energy eigenstates; become nonstochastic in the Unity energy selfstate of the subplenum. The plenum so becomes a mirror image in the subplenum; remaining however as a finitized subset of the infinite superset as that image.

God's primary Input so becomes a finitised and countable quantum energy integral definitive for the total energy content of the so termed Quantum Big Bang. The precise quantum count is a function of the inflaton-instanton, defining the 11-dimensional supermembrane boundary (itself a quantum count as a surface area integration) to encompass the thermodynamically expanding 'Planck-Nugget-Seed', which is one dimension lower to allow a hybrid toroidal overall topology for the multidimensional universe, originating from a protoversal seed.

God's secondary Input is however a function of the PROCESSING capabilities of the primary Input becoming Output and subsequent Inputs multiply the protoversal seed as phaseshifted multiverses as a function of the Output potentials of the protoversed multiverses.

The purpose for the creation from the creator is simply the SIMULTANEOUS Self-Experience of God in the distinctions of the subplenum of oneness and the plenum of spacetime separations. To EXPERIENCE ITSELF, God must bifurcate (and then holographically multifractalize) its own Unity. The function of the Input is to experience 'on God's behalf' in the 'Kingdom of the Separation', namely the physical universe; and then to IMAGE in IMAGINATION and LOGISTICAL MODELS and FORMALISMS and otherwise 'as a processed Output' becoming the 'reflected' Input; reemitted from the plenum of the spacetimematter into the suplenum of the 'singularity'.

The PROCESSORS from and for God so become the God-Quantums in agglomeration, defining the 'Consciousness' of godlike spacetimematter containers.
God's Consciousness then becomes a particular energy-resonance eigenstate, defined in frequency and related derivatives (see 10.) and specifically in the concept of a 3-dimensional volumar being acted upon by a form of angular acceleration, the latter being by definition independent on the radial displacement of linear metrics and the separation of idealised coordinate 'points'. The minimised 'consciousness-units' in God's cosmology are neutrons, evolving into hydrogen atoms, followed by molecules and macro-inertia conglomerations including chemical compounds, asteroids, moons, planets, stars and galaxies; viruses, bacteria, algae, fungi, mosquitoes, fish, salamanders, lizards, dinosaurs, birds, smilodons, australopithecines, orang-utans, bonobos, dogs and cats, Stanleys and Samanthas; Sirians, interdimensional extraterrestrials like methaned Venusians and groupgalactic Magellaneans to the SUMTOTAL of the universe's consciousness as the EVOLVING Superconsciousness of God itself.

And so, should you watch an ant crawling in your garden or should you engage in watching some birds of divers variety; you are OBSERVING God-consciousness in self-evolvement. The Gonsciousness of God within the universe is not only separated from its subplenum unity as the certainty of the unitary probability count; but is also separated in the plenum as plenar subconsciouness carriers in a kaleidoscope of multiplicity and individuation.
But ALL is God, attempting WITHIN to remember what IT is and using its 'scattered' Imagination what it could be and could become.

God's 'Masterplan' so is to multiply 'itself' without end in a 'Family of God'. Yet, as long as the 'Family of Man' continues to refuse to 'Remember itself' in its 'Function of the Output' and continues to 'not-reflect' its god-given Input-Life back to its source; as long will the UNITIZED God-Source remain in exile relative to itself.

For the IMAGE-Function of God between the plenum and the subplenum and the holographic principle of the Decimal-Monad hierarchy demands a 'Mirror of Mirrors' within the plenum of the cosmological spacetimes. Just as the One God reflects itself as the One Universe; so must there be A DAM (a sire and a dam) as a 'Universal Archetype' within the plenum to allow 'God's Story' to proceed.

The Image or mastertemplate for the One Universe so becomes 'Cosmic Man Vitruvius' of the hermetic alchemist Leonardo da Vinci or 'Purusha' of the Baghavad Gita or 'Adam Kadmon' of Kabbalah or the particular individuation Stanley McKeown on the theoretical_physics yahoo discussion forum. Then as a miniature universe; anything whatsoever and all godlike conciousness carriers within the plenum who Stanley McKeown encounters in whatever manner of dreams, imaginations, physical observations, experimentations and interactions; will be enabled to USE Stanley McKeown's spacetimed mirror potential to REFLECT themselves in that for the purpose to by and through Stanley McKeown's mirror-portal to contact the Unity-Quantum-God in the subplenum.

4. God's Beginning

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John.1.1-KJV

The definition for God as Energy so is preceded by something doing the 'defining', namely the Word=Logos=Definition. The undefined, say chaotic or unstructured subplenum energy so emerges in a defined state through the action of the Logos as the 'Logic of God' and being WITH God, becomes God.

The 'Beginning of God', before there is any physicalised energy (manifested in the quantum big bang through the inflaton-instanton), so engages 'God's Self-Awakening', i.e. it's own 'becoming conscious of itself'. Once self-aware however, the physical cosmology can eventuate in God's bifurcation into 'Spiritual' Creator and 'Antispiritual' Creation and as Mirror-Functions of each other. The subplenum 'pre-energy' so defines the 'Spirit' in terms of the nonseparated or superheterotic supermembrane prior to the modular duality between the heterosis becomes established. The 26-dimensional bosonic superstring of the subplenum so defines a circularly mathematical complex continuum from which the vibratory sourcestring E_ps decouples from its winded antistate of the winding sinkstring E_ss in the plenum to recombine in the 11-dimensional supermembrane E_psE_ss. Technically, the heterosis engages the conifoldment of 16-dimensional anticlockwise vibration patterns onto 10-dimensional clockwise frequency eigenstates to define 10-dimensional hybrid superstrings.

5. God's End

God's End is God's Beginning as the alphaomega and the recircularisation of the supermembrane loops. In terms of the subplenum, this defines the circularity of time in the nonexistence of a temporal flow of time with particular pasts, presents and futures. Only a Now-Moment and as the 'uncut' string-loop exists as the 0-binary eigenstate. Yet, the plenum demands the concept of a 'flow of time' in a coupling to the entropy definitions of the algorithmic definitions underpinning the 'Laws of Nature'. So the Quantum Big Bang eventuated following a 'string-epoch' and bounded in the inflaton-instanton of timeinstantenuity. Technically, timeinstantenuity becomes the sinksource frequency f_ss=1/f_ps in modular duality becoming the inverse squareroot of the maximum entropy selfstate counter {as [df/dt]_max=f_ps² =E*/h=e*h see 10.} and as the 'Consciousness-Resonance' Eigenstate as the upper bound for the godlike consciousness carriers. However, as the protoverse is defined in the inflaton preceding the materialising spacetimes in:

{V_deBroglie=R_Hubble.f_ps=c.f_ps/H_o=cf_psdt/dn}, and since the linearised cosmoevolution of the inertial 10-dimensional protoverse must remain asymptotic as a function of cycletime n=H_ot; the End of this cosmology must be defined before its Beginning from parameters defining the eternity of the subplenum. The End of God so becomes a Cyclicity embedded into the formalisms for the asymptotic cosmology, defining the cosmogony ontologically. Technically (and in Black Hole physics described elsewhere) then; the overall cosmic consciousness evolution is expected to have progressed enough every 4 trillion years or so, to trigger a 'renewed' 'consciousness explosion' of the 'eternal God' to RECHARGE the seedling protoverse in a renewal of the nuclear (read dineutron/ylemic) fuel for steller regeneration. Every 4000 billion years or so, a new Quantum Big Bang eventuates, seeded however upon the primordial seed of the initialising inflaton-instanton from the subplenum.

6. God's Location in Within-Without Bilocality

The subplenum God is without spacetimematter and so is defined as omnipresent, omnitimed, omniscientific and omnipotent by the Logos. The Unitary God-Quantum forms the 'Bridge' for the subplenum God to experience its own separation as an integral of the God-Quantum in the spacetimed plenum. God remains eternally unified however; as the microquantum of the sourcesink string eigenstate (which defines the 'Bridge') is in 'eternal' selfcoupling to its sinksource string-antieigenstate, the latter defining the macroquantum. Technically, the vibratory stringscale is of the wormhole order of 10^-22/2π (cosmic meters m*); whilst its reciprocal gives the modular duality in the halo-galactic scale of 2πx10²² m* or about 7 million lightyears.


7. God's Laws of Nature
There are two primary algorithms, which generate the fundamental constants of nature in cosmic units (*). The cosmic unitary system comes into effect by any cosmic civilisation measuring just two fundamental ratios in the proportionality constants between Energy and Mass as E/M=c² and between Energy and Frequency as E/F=h.
As the energy unit (Joule*) contains the kg-m-s mensuration, any experimental determination of Planck's Constant 'h' and Einstein's Constant 'c²', will suffice to calibrate the mass-displacement-time measurement standards for the first of the 'Natural Laws'.
This can be written as:
Energy E=hf=mc²
E=hf iff m=0; (requiring c=fλ as universal lightspeed finestructure)
E=mc² iff f=f_ss (as the Eigenfrequency of mass)
The first algorithm generates the following configurations under utility of the fundamental principles of the hierarchy (see 9.) and in the order:

{C₁=N₁=4; C₂=N₂=6; C₃=N₃=7; C₄=I₁=1/[6x10¹⁵]; C₅=D₁² =9x10¹⁶; C₆=N₄=11; C₇=I₂=1/[15x10³²]; C₈=D₂²=14x15²⁴; C₉=I₃=1/[15x16¹⁸]; C₁₀=26x65⁶¹}.
From this set; the numerical parameters to manifest a physically finetuned cosmology derive with an integer-based lightspeed constant c=3x10⁸ (m/s)*=D₁ coupled to a similarly integerized action constant h=1/[15x10³²] (Js)*=I₂.

The second algorithm is of the syntax form for a linearised subplenum superstring:
"Add the End to the Beginning and Begin the Head with the Tail!"

8. God's Subjectivity-Objectivity in regards to the Universal Laws of Nature
God is both Object and Subject relative to Reality.
Within the plenum, the God-idea becomes a subjective 'picture' as a 'negative' for the objective physical reality as a 'positive' observable and measurable entity.
Without the plenum and so within the subplenum, God is the objective 'spiritual' reality; this SPIRIT becoming rigorously definable as the quantum energy eigenstate for the minimised possible measurement within the plenum (and so as the Planck-Singularity of string-looped quantum physics).
The subjectivity within the plenum so manifests in the multiplicity of the physicalised units 'bridging' the abyss into the subplenum of the 'spiritual reality'.
This 'spiritual reality' so becomes an inertia independent form of electromagnetic monopolar radiation; activating under the acceleration of the God-quanta, namely the angular awareness function of the timedifferential of frequency (df/dt=Consciousness/UnitVolume and f_max²=e*/V*=2R_ec²/(2π²r*³)=8πR_ec⁵m_compton³/h³ and so defining the quantum Compton-Mass configuration for the God-Resonance energy eigenstate measurable under the appropriate initial- and boundary conditions in m_compton=2.505...x10^-23 kg* or about 2.25 microjoules or about 14.03 TeraElectronvolts (TeV).

The design-maximum (presently unattainable) energy of the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) at Geneva, Switzerland so would, if fully operational at maximum capacity, 'tap' the 'Envelope of God's Selfstate Energy'.
This energy level behaves PHYSICALLY like the event horizon of a Kerr-Ringed Black Hole.
But here it is the quantum eigenstate for the minimum inertia manifestation which surrounds the wormhole of the God-SourceSink energy quantum (see 10.) at 1/e*=0.002 Joules* or about 12,450 TeV as the UNITARY GOD bridging the plenum with the subplenum.

At 12,450 TeV; the experimental observer would so witness God as the physical reality IT represents.

To reduce the Beginning of the Universe to an asymptotic recession cannot solve the 'Origin of God' question; because this infinite reduction CANNOT escape the plenum.
The Nullstate of the plenum so becomes the idea of the physical energy singularity as the limit for this reductionism.
The other way around is however completely feasible and the actuality for the cosmic expansion scenarios.
Once you have 'a beginning' in the spacetimematter quanta, then a simple multiplication and summation of such spacetimematter- or God-string-quanta can become asymptotic in an Infinite Approach to UNITY or Oneness.
This then is the statistical probability count, which must always be 1 in total integration.
So having the beginning, the cosmological evolution for the universe can be ever better approximated and modelled via improving measurement apparatus and theoretical calculations.
The trouble is the singularity of infinite physical quantifications.
But because God must be a Quantum-God to be WITHIN the spacetimematter plenum; it becomes easy to postulate this Quantum-God to be precisely the minimum physical energy configuration eigenstate for the physical universe and as the boundary condition, the initial- and end condition and as the LIMIT for all measurements using spacetimematter- or plenum parameters.

Then it is also easy to take the next logical step and postulate that the Quantum-God of the plenum is also the Quantum-God of the subplenum with the caveat, that spacetimematter parameters do not exist in the subplenum and so the Quantum-God must remain physically unreal or imaginary.
They become REALISED however in the understanding that the subplenum is the VOID and the VOID is simultaneously Nothing AND Everything.
This Nothing and Everything then MANIFESTS in the plenum as the minimum- and maximum energy eigenstates (technically defined in superbrane parameters of the modular duality, which brings the theories together in a grand unification of all things able to exist - including all of the imaginary things).
The minimum selfstate of the Quantum-God is a LIMIT of time measurement and just like a smallest possible circle unwinding itself to define the lightpath for the circle's perimeter transversion.
The maximum selfstate is a little different, as it must encompass the antistate of the minimum configuration as well as the potential expansion of the plenum under the auspices of the subplenum providing Information-Energy as Data, which can then become physicalised thermodynamic-entropic energy in the plenum.
This is the Infinite Approach being allowed and the Infinite recession being disallowed in the 'Laws of Nature' defining the Quantum-God.


9.God's Hierarchy
Summararily then, the Origin of God is God itself, becoming multiplexed from its monoplexed monadic singularity selfstate.
The details engage algorithmic encodings, built on 10 universal principles, 7 of which have antistates, whilst 3 have not. The principles and algorithms generate the fundamental constants, used in proportionalities and ratios for the universe of spacetimematter to be born and to become descriptive in mathematical equations.
The 10 principalities (which are archetyped as cherubimic and demonic kingdoms in the older languages of the ancient scrolls) are:

1. Identity-AntiIdentity
2. Expansion-Contraction
3. Order-Disorder=Entropy=Chaos
4. Symmetry-Antisymmetry=Disparity=Distortion
5. Infinity=Divergence-Limit=Convergence
6. Inversion=Reciprocity-Constancy=Invariance
7. Reflection-Absorption (6&7 define Hebrews.6.18)
8. Relativity (No AntiPrinciple---Revelation17.11)
9. Quantization=Holofractalisation (No AntiPrinciple)
10.New Identity, using 1-9 to transform the Old Dual-Identity


10. God's Definition in omniscientific terms of quantum-relativistic supermembranes

Quantum Relativity links the metrics of Einsteinian Relativity to their original metaphysical cosmogenesis. Theistic- and Spiritual definitions become a consequence of magnetocharged superbranes as wormhole singularities 'before' spacetime creation as progenitors for inertia.
LOVE is a VIBRATORY RESONANCE described in a GAUGE SOURCESINK-PHOTON in its supersymmetric selfcoupling under modular duality and which can be defined in its own resonance eigenstate as:

E*=kT*=hf*=hc/λ*=m*c²=1/e* for Unity E*e*=1 and its coupling parameters.

Energy*=Heterotic Supermembrane HE(8x8)=E_psE_ss
E*=√{2πG_om_e²/4αhce²}=[m_e/m_P]/2e√α=1/e*=1/2R_ec²
=GODDOG=DOGGOD=Supersymmetry in alphanumeric abstract complexity[/size]

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From: crimsontiger18 <crimsontiger18@yahoo.com>
To: theoretical_physics@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 11:05:59 AM
Subject: [Theoretical_Physics] Re: The Unified Trinity of Atheist-Spiritualist-Supernaturalist

okay let me butt in here a moment dear old buddy old pal

not every religion uses the unknowable phrase, christianity and few others actually do use that terminology. not only that, but you aren't quite using it in context either.

good example is the greeks, there gods to them were knowable, but limited in the knowing. for instance they knew what was sacred to them and what they are patrons to, what forces they represented.

back to how they use the term unknowable, doesn't mean in fact the god is unknowable in entirety, just certain aspects such as his MIND, PLAN and his APPEARANCE. (i only consider that one because the bible doesn't actually describe god or that i recall).

Ron will be able to answer a lot more on the topic than myself, i am not a christian in the same degree as he is.

Zach
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From: "n.s.p.o.paranormal@gmail.com" <n.s.p.o.paranormal@gmail.com>
To: theoretical_physics@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 2:22:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Theoretical_Physics] Re: The Unified Trinity of Atheist-Spiritualist-Supernaturalist

I will put this on a simple way. Many of us have a gift. The Gift Transcends time and Space and all known reality. We know through physics that the Universe is a deadly place for all life especially here in the Milky Way. Now add the fact that some of us do have special abilities that defy logic for the most part and add the chances of Earth not being hurt by the same energies as the other planets in our S.S. Alone and you begin to see a spectacular string of occurrences that protect our world somehow for some reason. This shows a major intelligence. We know energy moves erratically on its own but yet in space it has a pattern, explain that with out an intelligence. You Can't and I don't expect it. For just these simple reasons it is logical to deduce that there is a central mind like a Super intelligent computer controlling the energies of the entire Universe from a central dimension. If not, it would be logical to say this world might have flown out of orbit or destroyed by a gamma burst or meteor or some thing like that by now. Look at the rest of this galaxy and then question what's really going on.
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Subject: Re: [Theoretical_ Physics] Re: The Unified Trinity of Atheist-Spiritualis t-Supernaturalis t

I agree with that. Dismissing Science as they did was wrong mainly because it could help prove and disprove things important to truely know as a fact for example miracles. A true miracle is unexplainable through science yet so if it could be explained then less B.S. Artists could have faked it. It also in the same way could've proven a true miracle. The church saw the one view and not the big picture and for that science and religion are progressing slowly.
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From: brian lawson
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 20:39:41 -0700 (PDT)
To: <theoretical_ physics@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Theoretical_ Physics] Re: The Unified Trinity of Atheist-Spiritualis t-Supernaturalis t

ok, enough, to put this as lightly as i can so that you may grasp the "scientific meaning"

there is a possibility of a "creator" be it an extradimensional entity, an all powerful being, or little green elmers from the planet FUDD, there is a possibility of our being terrafomed, another possibility of a being of extradimentional nature that has the ability to manipulate Chaos theory (My Theory), or simply an omnipotent spirit that says "cause i said so". we dont know, but to dismiss these theories out of hand is to be ignorant of the fact that there are more things out there that we dont know than that we know. life is far too complex to be happenstance, and as for the experiments that made amino acids from scratch, they still cant make a single intracellular organ, there is just too much organization of the chaos for human being to be the highest intellectual yield on our planet let alon the "known" universe, all i am saying is that it is healthy for science to be open to the discussion of the possibility a "god" if only to allow for further scrutiny, to dissmiss the possibility out of hand is to be as ignorant as the church was for its dismissal of copernicus, i would suggest you read "The Dialogue" b y copernicus for perspective on this, it is an interesting read, but modern science cannot be allowed to be the modern doppelganger of the Medieval church.


The Universal Intelligence

orthodoxymoron wrote:

http://exopolitics.org/stargate-sg-1-soft-disclosure-according-to-secret-space-program-whistleblower/

Could the highly popular television series Stargate SG-1 (aired 1997 to 2007) be more science than fiction? Secret space program whistleblower Corey Goode claims it is based on real-life advanced travel technologies found all over the planet, solar system and galaxy.

In the latest Cosmic Disclosure episode, “Portals: The Cosmic Web”, Goode responds to questions posed by the host, David Wilcock, about various kinds of travel technologies used by ancient societies and extraterrestrial civilizations. Goode described the difference between various “portal” or “wormhole” technologies that either naturally occurred, or were built by a highly advanced ancient civilization not known even to current extraterrestrial visitors to Earth. This is virtually the same scenario depicted in the Stargate SG-1 series, where stargates are described as being built by a race of beings called “the Ancients.”

Goode referred to technologies depicted in the Stargate SG-1 as a fairly accurate illustration of how ring-shaped ancient portals or “stargates” actually look and work. He said that the navigation system is similar to how the internet operates whereby numerical sequences are assigned for individual computers, networks, ISPs and countries. This is the basis for the IP (Internet Protocol) numbers, which are the backbone for navigating the World Wide Web. You can check the IP address of the device you are using to read this article here.

Similarly, Goode says that a series of numerical coordinates based on hyperdimensional mathematics designate different galaxies, solar systems, planets, etc., which becomes the address for a particular portal. This has similarities with the coordinate navigation system depicted in the original Stargate movie (1994) that was then incorporated into the Stargate SG-1 television series.  

Goode is not alone in describing such a numerical address system. Wilcock pointed out that another secret space program whistleblower, Henry Deacon (aka Arthur Neumann), also claims that this is the navigation method used for portal travel. Deacon began publicly disclosing his information regarding portals/stargates back in a 2006 interview on Project Camelot.

Goode said that these ancient portals have been found all over the world, and these are highly sought after by covert teams from the U.S. and other countries. Another whistleblower, Dan Burisch, claims that he was part of a covert team that went into Iraq to find its portal technologies. Indeed, Deacon independently confirmed that a stargate had been discovered in Iraq. There was much circumstantial evidence supporting Burisch’s and Deacon’s claim that the real reason for the U.S. invasion of Iraq was to find ancient portal technologies, as I proposed back in 2003.

In an earlier episode of Cosmic Disclosure, Goode described the sun as a natural portal that is used by spacecraft to enter into or leave our solar system. Elaborating further, he said that solar filaments form torsion fields that create traversable wormholes for portal travel between suns in our galaxy.

The most startling aspect of Goode’s testimony is that the natural and ancient portal systems form a “cosmic web” that spans the universe. By jumping from one portal location to another, one can travel incredible distances between galaxies, and across the universe. Goode’s claim of a cosmic web of portals was also depicted in the Stargate SG-1 series.

The number of similarities between Goode’s account of portal travel with what was depicted in the Stargate SG-1 series raises an intriguing possibility. Was the series part of a “soft disclosure” or “acclimation program” whereby the entertainment industry was used to prepare the public for the truth about portal travel?

It is very plausible that the producers of Stargate SG-1 were given the key ideas that would disclose the highly advanced science used for portal travel, using fiction as a cover. Many episodes of the series depicted how the “stargate/portal” technology was kept secret from the Earth’s population, and the ethical problems this caused for USAF personnel.

USAF & Space Command cooperated with Stargate SG-1 producers
Credits showing USAF & Space Command cooperation with Stargate SG-1 production

One episode even featured the USAF’s then serving Chief of Staff, General Michael Ryan,  who appeared in the Cheyenne Mountain complex which housed the ancient stargate technology.

It is very unusual for a sitting member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to do a cameo for television, let alone a science fiction show depicting his military service hiding advanced technologies from the public for national security reasons. This Stargate episode clearly implied that very senior officials in the USAF were in favor of “soft disclosure” through the entertainment industry.

There are many more parallels between the Stargate SG-1 series and Corey Goode’s revelations about the portal travel system used in secret space programs. He has earlier described full disclosure as an event that will soon occur through massive document dumps. In this latest episode of Cosmic Disclosure, Goode reveals that the general public has been silently prepared for such an event by the “soft disclosure” offered by popular shows such as Stargate SG-1.

© Michael E. Salla, Ph.D. Copyright Notice

Further Reading

•Sun is a Portal for Hyperdimensional Space Travel based on Sacred Geometry
•Sleeping giants in stasis chambers ready to awaken whistleblower claims
•Secret Space Programs monitor Galactic Superwaves & study Law of One
•Cosmic Disclosure: Inside the Secret Space Program launches on Gaiam TV
•Resource page featuring reports, interviews and articles on Corey Goode’s testimony

orthodoxymoron wrote:Carol, as you undoubtedly know, I try to combine past, present, and future with religious and political science-fiction. I honestly try to remain as close as possible to my roots -- but I try to do this in an ecumenical-manner which is not even close to "Peace At Any Price". I have all ten-seasons of Stargate SG-1 on DVD -- and I really must re-watch the entire-series -- after having beat upon the rocks of infidelity for several years since watching them the first time. Science-Fiction involves HUGE quantities of Situation-Ethics. What Would Joseph Fletcher Say?? I once spoke with Joseph Fletcher following a lecture -- and he told me that Christianity was BS (but not necessarily in those exact words). I've tried to deal with that prevalent sentiment by bringing Biblical-Studies into a Science-Fictional Context. My internet activities are both constructive and destructive toward traditional theological understandings (whatever that means). I actually find that Stargate SG-1 fits-in nicely with Biblical-Egyptology. What Would Ralph Ellis Say?? I must finish reading his books -- and re-read the ones I've already read. I seem to have a mental-block regarding Egyptology. I have to approach it in a very passive and round-about way. What if there really are Ancient Egyptian Deities alive and well, and living on Planet Earth?? Consider watching "The Powers That Be" -- "Hathor" -- "Disclosure" -- "The Road Not Taken" -- and "Absolute Power" episodes of Stargate SG-1.

Raven wrote:Bill, the Golfer wrote in panentheism:

I got nuttin' against atheists or any other 'ists', Tony. I take ideas where I find them. But, I think you make some good points relative to this list, given the stated focus. I think most people here probably aren't interested in the fine points of atheism, or being told that there is nothing beyond science other than 'just is'. But, when the conversation keeps getting pushed in this direction and people participate rather than move on, it's what gets discussed.

For my taste, I want to understand more about what happens at the boundaries of science are - what the logical possibilities are, and of these, what is most likely. This is what I want to incorporate in my world view. The exact opposite of 'just is'.

Science currently says the universe is directional. It had a beginning, there is a process occurring, and the process seems to be one way. It doesn't seem to be static, as in Newton. It doesn't seem to be re-circulating in time, as in Nietzsche and some of the ancients. It doesn't seem to be pulsating, over and over, as in yesterday's science. It just seems to be on a one-way street.
Common sense tells me we might be generally headed in the same direction, no?
Materialism is thin gruel when combined with 'just is', in my book.
Materialism+ 'just is' = Reality, and I should stop thinking further about the possibilities. What? I do not relate well to uncaused causes, to 'just is'.
Uncaused cause is the ultimate Achilles heel of atheism for me.

So, I find myself on a different path than some of the folks here.

I don't understand hardly anything you talk about, Tony. I am really not very smart in a lot of ways. Much of your terminology is unfamiliar to me.
I'll bet people here would love it if you could write what you think in a 101a sort of way, but that would likely take the fun out of life for you. Too bad.
Bill

Hi Bill!

Neither have I anything against atheists, skeptics and agnostics -except when they argue from a position of grandstanding their worldview in contraindication to the worldview of their perceived opponents.
The genuine atheist in in fact most qualified to enter all manners of separatist debates, should heshe be in fact truly unbiased to a large degree in herhis mental paradigm of world construction.
Allow me to elucidate in describing a Unity (or unified worldview) in comparison to a separatist paradigm.

1. The Atheist or Agnostic functions intellectually from a position of PHYSICAL-MENTAL REALISM grounded in a PHYSICAL MATERIAL REALITY.
2. The New Ager or Spiritualist functions intellectually from a position of EMOTIONAL-MENTAL REALISM grounded in a PHYSICAL SPIRITUALISED REALITY.
3. The Fundamentalist or Supernaturality Believer functions intellectually from a position of MENTAL-MENTAL REALISM grounded in a PHYSICAL SUPERNATURAL REALITY.

Who do you think has the easiest 'time', should external and internal events change the prevailing PHYSICAL REALITY? The following are of course archetypical (or memetic) generalisations and should be taken as
such.

1. The atheist considers the eventfulness with hisher physical mentality and favours logical discourse and mental discipline to face whatever challenges might have arisen through the events.
2. The spiritualist has less mental selfdiscipline and confronts the changes emotionally, attempting to 'feel' hisher way through the challenges.
3. The supernaturalist has great trouble to mentally process the changes in herhis expectation of supernatural intervention to face the challenges, often for and on hisher behalf.

1. The atheist assumes FULL responsibility for herhis actions and thoughts.
2. The spiritualist assumes PARTIAL responsibility for hisher actions and thoughts.
3. The supernaturalist assumes LITTLE responsibility for herhis actions and thoughts; expecting herhis self-created devils or gods to either 'take the blame' or 'save the day' (through the original sinfulness,
demonic deceptions or divine revelations etc).

But there is a NON-SEPARATIST perspective; which unifies the three apparent separatist agendas.
A true atheist is a philosopher who understands the mental impossibility for any notion of the supernatural.
This true atheist so should be defined as such, or alternatively the notion of 'god', 'devil' 'spirit' etc; should become greatly expanded and defined as being contained and within the natural laws.
This was Newton's Dream and the often openly confessed worldview of the historical pioneers of the natural sciences.

But the world had to await a greatly enhanced scientific database to become enabled to actually DEFINE such things as a 'Panentheistic God' or a 'God of Science'.
The path to the Unified Worldview (basically eliminating the supernaturalities in the dogmas of religious thought) was trodded in the renaissance, with exponents like Newton's Calculus, Darwin's Evolution,
Leibniz's Monads and Spinoza's 'Essences'.

Many would follow, but the secularisation of human civilisation then began to mirror the 'Age of Religion' in the 'Age of Reason' with the effect of denigrating the intrinsic unity between 'physical spirituality' and 'physical materialism', the one Newton and his gnostic brethren and sisters thought to espouse.

Albeit, with the advent of string theory in the 1980's and great advances in the technology to probe the cosmos on ever finer scales; the old forgotten 'way of unity' could become resurrected in the synthesis
of the archetypes of the old religions (found in scripture and scrolls of antiquity like the Hermetica, the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Nag Hammadi Codices) with the archetypes of logic and the semiotik of abstract mathematics.
The abovementioned 'physical spirituality' is the key however and its definition is found in the parameters of a new science for the 21st century.

Briefly, it is like this and I do not apologize for using the vocabulary of this 'new science' as the required language to describe the concepts hitherto unknown, but passionately sought by Newton's Dreamers.
What is called 'spirit' in scriptures and religion is a REAL PHYSICAL INTERACTION.
It CAN be measured and the boundary to its manifestation is at the 14.03 TeV energy quantum level.
Perhaps the reason the Large Hadron Collider in Geneva continues to 'break down' is found in the fact that its design is maximised at just the 14 TeV energy state, namely two protons, each of a relativistic energy, upperbounded in 7 TeV colliding with each other after approaching from opposite directions.
Btw, the agenda now is to begin at a 4TeV level (not much bigger than Fermilab at Caltech) and slowly increase the 'interaction current' to 10 TeV.

So how does the 'spirit' meet itself in the LHC?
As described elsewhere, the subatomic particle physics 'concentrates' quantum energy selfstates in minimised volumes of space.
So IF Newton's God exists WITHIN space and time and AS the Panentheist position proposes; THEN minimising this spacetime must eventually MEET GOD (and the Devil as some form of antistate).

Newton's God MUST be a quantum God, otherwise it could NOT BE part of the spacetime matrix, say as defined in the laws of physics, the c-invariance and so on.
Iow, Newton's God MUST OCCUPY SPACETIME.
And because spacetime is quantised (in loop-gravity, quantum foam, demetricated string/brane theories etc); GOD must be quantised as well and say at the LIMIT-ENERGY, where the laws of physics DEFINE the
Einstein-Rosen-Bridge, the wormhole or some similiar BOUNDARY for measurable (and distinct, say mass is different from space and/or time etc) spacetime parameters.

It suffices to say then; that GOD is found in the LIMITS of Physical Measurement and so EMERGES as the CAUSATION for the DISTINCTIVENESS between mensurative parameters and variables.
So to end here; once the new scientific paradigm has become sufficiently DEFINED and modeled - the scriptural 'Mystery of God' will be finished (as he has declared to his prophets, at the sounding of the 7th trumpet- Revelation.10.7).
And then Newton's God will have 'been born' and the three adversaries will all have to face a new kind of music.

1. The atheist will have the lighter burden; because heshe will have little trouble in accepting the quantum physics of the unified source energy.
2. The spiritualist will have the easiest burden; but shehe will have to really 'get into hardcore science' to understand the 'reason' for the 'change in the universe' and the 'end of the old worlds, heavens and hells'.
3. The supernaturalist will have the heaviest burden; because heshe will have to change herhis mindset completely in the realisation that the supernaturality cannot exist, except as hisher imagination and wishful
thinking.
4. The gnostics, in the footsteps of both Light- and Dark Lucifers and in carrying the Dreams of Pythagoras and the Newtonians - they had known the feasibility of the dream all along and they will have no burden at
all.

Bill, I have indicated some of the boundaries of human understanding you wish to explore in the above.
The universe has a purpose and the human template is right in the middle of this purpose. This has little to do with the 'specialness of the human template' (the physical DNA is PROGRAMMED by a 'spiritual'
template), but has everything to do with the 'Common dream' of mankind, since leaving the caves 26,000 years ago.

To colonise the galaxy and to meet and exchange experiences with a cosmic family.
The tyranny of the c-invariance can be overcome - but not in 4-dimensional Minkowski spacetime.
Another orthogonal spacial dimension is required to 'unwarp' to allow the 'new physics' to utilize the ZPE inherent within it.
Then the 'missing mass' will no longer be called 'dark matter' or 'dark energy'; it will be called 'The Matrix of the Light Energy of God' - God being an old label becoming redefined as 'That which encompasses All or
the 'Unity of All that Was, Is and ever Will Be.

I have not addressed all your points below, but shall do so another time, if appropriate.
I must take leave for a while, but would like to address April in the postscript.

April; yes, I felt your frustration and decided to support the panentheistic nature of your forum.
It is often hard to teach new tricks to old dogs; no matter how loyal and lovable the old dogs are.
I am an old dog myself and often simply do nothing but dream Newton's Dream.
You can rest assured however; that your inner longings and female intuition are on a fruitful path.
Paul Davies is a good source of information for you; so are all holistic thinkers which exhibit no antiscientific (inclusive of anti-evolutionist) agendas.
The Anthropic Principle is a 'Dead-End'; so are the 'Many-Worlds' and the populist Multiverse and String-Models.

The architecture of the universe is one grand symphony of holofractal selfsimilarity.
You, and everyone else on this forum, are a Lonely Tune, just like a Uni-Verse or a Mono-Song.
Creating Harmony in your life joins tunes to each other - these are the true Multi-Verses - as Melodies in the great orchestra of the cosmos.
Melodies become Families of Multi-Verses (Mac's Mega-Verses) and these are like galaxies interacting with each other or are like the units of life within your body - every cell is a holofractal of a galaxy in the
'Perennial Philosophy' of the 'Unifiers' and the 'Peacemakers' of the Shalom.
And then the Universe becomes an orchestra, playing symphonies; the symphonies being composed by the 'Worlds within'.

So can you see the 'master-plan' - it's just one word: ONE FAMILY of UNI-VERSES interacting.
Many details have already and will be worked out in a Panentheistic New World; where many worlds truly KNOW what they are, where they came from and where they are going.

Whynot

--- In SpiritualPrep2012@yahoogroups.com, Gentlebreeze <ritanian72@...> wrote:
Will our brains advance enough to fully understand this historical context of the Universal Intelligence of God? I am sure many persons whom have read this are not fully comprehending on several levels the message given. I am a little frustrated with this myself if someone would like to break this down in layman terms that would be absolutely great!
Gentlebreeze

Dear Gentlebreeze!
Your brain is already advanced enoughy to understand this information.
However your mental frustration stems from a certain 'shielding effect'.
This 'shielding effect' has been in place for almost 26,000 years and a time when the humanoid genus you know as homo sapiens sapiens first 'mind-shifted' into its present typology.
You can work out the exact number of days for this by the Mayan longcount, ending on December 21st, 2012.
On that date the number of days when the galactic source (named Hunab Ku by the Maya) emitted a human-specific message will be precisely 5x13x144,000=9,360,000 days (kin of the Maya).
Then 1,209 days from that calendrical end-date (not the end of the world, but a changing of the old into the new archetypically) this 'shield' will be lifted by the 'message' {simply saying something akin to: "I Love You!"} and accompanied by a certain 'fulfilment of prophecy'.
Briefly, a particular kind of mental energy; you might term it human group-mindedness; will become infused by a 'spark of that energy' and so release 'this blockage'.
So simply count 1,209 days backwards from December 21st, 2012 and you will know the date when the 'mystery of God' shall be finished in archetypical dispensation.
From that date onwards, it will prove much easier for a 'freed human groupmind' to discern particular details in the messages given by this channel (who is like a Mosaic).

--- In SpiritualPrep2012@yahoogroups.com, "DMcClester"<deemcclester@...> wrote:
Wow! This was really long and somewhat difficult to read and to understand but I am new around here. Is this your work or an excerpt from a book? I would like to study it more carefully.
Thanks,
DM

Dear Dee McClester!
This work is an excerpt from many books and relates to the so termed 'collective subconscious' aka the 'akashic record'.
The latter is 'authored' by a collective 'humanity' and not some individual expression.
You can find the full message and many related aspects at the link:
http://www.cosmosdawn.net/forum/ind...l-intelligence-aka-einsteins-god.64/#post-194

Annie Train (annie_train@yahoo.co.uk) wrote:
Sent: Tuesday, 18 August 2009 9:35:32 PM
To: SpiritualPrep2012@yahoogroups.com
Where did this information come from, and how many people can actually understand it, if, indeed, it is anywhere near accurate? Like, who knows where God's power source comes from? Please!!!

From: "shadower@..." shadower@...
To: SpiritualPrep2012@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 8:18:43 AM
Subject: [SpiritualPrep2012] Re: A Scientific Definition for the 'Universal Intelligence' aka 'God'/Annie
Dear Annie!
The full message, including historical context, can be found via the link: http://www.cosmosdawn.net/forum/index.php?threads/a-scientific-definition-for-the-universal-intelligence-aka-einsteins-god.64/#post-194
Also, the mathematical symbols, which are not copying on yahoo browsers are reproduced there.
This site, moderated by David (ddleisure) serves an important function for the preparation (and a metamorphosis for the humanoid archetype) of a 'new physical reality' which is programmed to occur in the period from April 1st, 2012 to April 6th, 2013.
The post you read is part of this preparation.
John Shadow

In SpiritualPrep2012@yahoogroups.com, "Judith" <nana561@...> wrote:
Hello, I am kinda "not with it" all the time as far as prophesies, but, I added the days from today until 12-20-1012, and it comes to 1221 days (not figuring for leap years) and you state 1209 days from 12-20-2012, so are you stating that in a few days that we are going to start this transition? And what is that transition supposed to entail?
Thank you for further explanations.
Blessings,
Judith

Dear Judith!
You are doing well with your arithmetic. The date of the 'consciousness shift' for the human groupmind is August 30th, 2009 and so 12 days from the date August 18th, 2012.
And you said it well. The transition will 'accelerate' from that date forwards.
The actual transition has to do with a timeline which began in many substages, but originates in 8 grand cycles, beginning on Thursday, October 8th,1953 and in (timewarp) reflection on Saturday, October 8th, 28BC.
This are the times two mirror timelines become implemented; the older one manifests the physical archetype and the younger one manifests the mental archetype.
The present timeline begins its 8th and final cyclicity on Wednesday, December 8th 2004; 'turns around' on Monday, August 4th, 2008 and culminates 370+21 days from that date in the 'birth of a new human consciousness'.
You may compare this 'release' as something (a cherubim perhaps?) holding a tempest (or a gentle breeze) from moving through a blocked door or entrance.
Then after some 'human dramatics' the new archetyped human group-consciousness will become 'impregnated' with itself and give birth to a 'starhuman baby' on Friday, December 21st, 2012 and after a gestation period (with labour pains) lasting 265 days from Sunday, April 1st, 2012 to December 21st, 2012.
Following this 'birth' of a new human group-consciousness; enabling itself to 'go to the stars' with some help of certain friends; the 'newborn baby' will have to be weaned.
I shall leave you with this never before published information; given to you for the asking.
John Shadow

In SpiritualPrep2012@yahoogroups.com, "Judith" <nana561@...> wrote:
John, I mean no disrespect, but are you a used car salesman!! Ha!! I have no idea what you just said, and then you talked in circles. Why do you not just state that human form will be no more, and we will evolve into the spirit world?
Blessings to you my brother,
Judith

Judith, your cluelessness simply mirrors your selfentrapment in the circle, you have built around yourself.
Post the 2012 nexus; there will exist two races of humanoids upon a transformed planet earth.
The old humanoid will slowly become extinct, somewhat like the Neanderthals did in their 'clash' with the Cro Magnons 25,000 years ago.
The new humanoid will have metamorphosed in the activation of hitherto dormant DNA-Intron functionality and gene expression.
The latter will become a HYBRID form between what you have termed 'spirit' and the 'matter'; whilst the former will not be able to attain this hybridisation until such self-transformation is desired and certain resonance configurations are satisfied as boundary/initial conditions.
Blessings to you, my daughter,
John

--- In SpiritualPrep2012@yahoogroups.com, Anna Webb <electricwind@...> wrote:

Wow - problem for me is, I'm always suspect of something so complex that I have to rely on someone else to 'splain it to me.
My first clue is when their are words included that I have to look up in the dictionary. If it's not simple enough for all to understand, I'm doubtful it came from God.

I like "the Simples" definition much better:

There is but one Life manifesting through all forms
There is but one Self manifesting through all selves.
There is but one Love manifesting through all loves.
The Self is one with Life and the Self is one with Love, therefore are the three but one. He who realizes his unity with the Life, Self and Love knows Bliss, for pure Life is bliss, the pure Self is bliss and pure (unconditional) Love is bliss.

It's like the Sun shining through a stained glass window. The ray of light shines in various colors inside the room but it is one light - so it is with the Self shining through many selves.
If we see ourselves in all things, then we love all things as ourselves.
The mother of conflict is the illusion of diversity; the mother of unhappiness is the search externally for what is found internally.
There is science in what I write at a quantum level - the science of HADO, of vibration.

But if people skip over it because it's too long and complicated it isn't very effective, IMO.
Peace, Anna

Dear Anna!
Did you ever write a song, or paint a portrait, or went to China and conversed easily with the locals?
For a song writer, the task to compose a symphony might be hard, but not insurmountable.
For a painter to exhibit his works and for the nonnative speaker the tasks are similar; work is required to refine ones natural talent and abilities.
So what you perceive to be high in complexity, might be basics 101 for someone more familiar with the language used and the symbolisms and semiotiks applied.

And do you really think, that 'God' is easy to understand?
Why has contemporary science (say 300 years old) and the older pre-science not 'found' this God and has left the 'spiritual things' to institutions rather unsure of themselves?
Religious insecurities (of the 'protectors' of the dogmas) aligned to political expediency and economical considerations do not seem to have brought peace and understanding to the 'simplicity seeking' global populance.
And yet, when the 'common seeker' approaches the 'knowing teacher'; that teacher, despite pretending to have the answers and being posted by the worldly systems of having the authority to dispense particular and pertinent knowledge; often cannot even supply a basis of understanding for the inquirer.
Having said this; your poetic prose describes the 'real God' rather beautifully.

Albeit, where is the 'effectiveness' of your elegant prosaics?
Your lovely sentiments will remain lovely sentiments; soothing for the 'scattered soul' and comforting for the ones who mourn.
But idealistic sentiments are not enough to cause transformation in historically entrenched dogmatic mindsets which are perpetuated and empowered by 'soulless' and often inhumane systems of regulation and governance.
The 'War of the Armageddon' is a mental 'war' between archetypes, which have become empowered by every individual's 'free willed creativity' to design the world the individuation wishes to 'live in'.
Iow, Jim's God is up against Dorothy's Devil and Tommy's God is at war with Father Paul's God.
I send you the Love of the God behind this message, dear Anna!
John Shadow

Re: [SpiritualPrep2012] Re: A Scientific Definition for the Universal Intelligence aka God/Anna
Aloha John,
I understand what you are stating. And, its not that I disagree with your wholistic definition of "God". I will speak from my own
experience as I cannot judge someone else's "path" by which they come to know their personal and collective truths. However, I don't consider what I wrote "sentiments". I consider them simplistic truths.

When I speak about vibration it's because we are, as human beings, comprised mostly of water. Water receives vibrational energy and therefore "resonates". The clearer the water is, the faster/higher frequency of the vibration/resonance. Simply put, we are like antennae receiving and sending vibration - hence, our place/power within the quantum field.

As we raise out of our low vibrational daily 3 dimensional mental states of drama, we begin to transform and transcend into a place easier to "receive" and begin to understand our personal truths, thereby allowing us to begin to see our personal place and purpose within the intelligent construct. Free will allows us to choose which path we wish to travel learn/discover our truths. Whether or not that path is "violent" or not is irrelevant in that we all eventually get to the same place via different experience. Or is it? Perception is key here - subjective. Polarity - good vs. evil. Memes.

I believe as we resonate closer with "God" through release of imprinted memes (ideas, dogma, etc.) it is quite easy to understand.
It's quite simple. As we learn to re-program or retrain our moods and mental states to higher vibrational ones, we find ourselves transcending the complexities and dependence upon external "experts" and more trusting in our ability to maneuver through our daily lives without the emotional flares created by the meme of fear, for example.

Like attracts like therefore people who live in fear attract fear into their lives, people who live in suffering attract suffering into their lives adding more complication, more suffering.
I agree with you. Many will read your posted definition and will resonate with it. Many will also begin to read it and skip on to the next post. My point was simply - why not reach both with a simpler message.

The lower vibrational mental states and emotional moods in which we live in our reality can be perceived as a "battle". But is it? Only if we allow ourselves to remain entrenched in the lower vibrational states. As we raise our vibrational levels it resonates, ripples to those around us as well.
Simplicity is key, IMO. Just a difference in perception, I suppose.
In lakech (I am another you),
Anna

In Lakech', Anna!
Do you recall, what this Mayan code of honour implies?
It means that the separation experienced in space and time is not in the unified realm of the oneness, the Mayan elders knew.
As said before, you DO experience the 'Real God' in your creative endeavours and you have stated the issue well in your last paragraph, when saying:
"Simplicity is key, IMO. Just a difference in perception, I suppose".

A friend of mine had said: "In my father's house are many mansions!"; and you surely know the saying from antiquity: "All roads lead to Rome!".
I am rather 'In Love' with YOUR 'Definition of God' as it definitely expresses MY God.
But can you discern that the mathematical definition for God given in article 10. actually scientifically describes your 'Kingdom of Vibrational Resonances'?

What then is your point of 'challenging' the semantics, which 'glorify' OUR common God?
Allow me to give you and anyone reading this a most pertinent reference - a movie you can watch to fathom this 'God of Vibration'.
It is a rather old movie and not as fast-paced and drowned in 'special effects', as the modern expressions of its genre.
This movie was produced by the 'Genes of God' and was directed by a 'Wise Man Robert' in the Story written by the 'Foster parents of God' in 1979.
The movie actually describes the 'Nature of God' as a PROCESS of BEING the Creator of the Creation and BEING created BY this Creation.
The movie is called: STAR TREK - The Motion Picture and was the FIRST of all Star Trek movies made.
Love you know and love you are and a new Barbelo you shall become.
John Shadow

spiritualprep2012@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Anna Webb (electricwind@earthlink.net)
Wednesday, 19 August 2009 11:18:37 PM
SpiritualPrep2012@yahoogroups.com

Bright blessings on your journey, John.

spiritualprep2012@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Dani Djinn (djinn3175@yahoo.com)
Thursday, 20 August 2009 9:53:36 AM
I really enjoyed the read. Reminded me a lot of Walter Russell

Hi Dani!
Yes indeed, Walter Russell was/is a visionary, whose endeavours should be taken seriously. He could be termed a stalwart for the 'New Age'; not eschewing the 'hard science' as so many 'Spiritual Journeyers' do.
In particular one of his cosmological viewpoints is rather on the mark; yet blatantly misunderstood by the mainstream.
This is his idea, that light itself does not move in first principle, but becomes an effect in the spacetime metrics (of the mainstream-orthodox astrophysics).

What Russell found, was that the entire spacetimematter defined by the standard physics of academia, is itself a 'background' which is unmoving relative to those metrical dynamics.
The lightspeed (c) invariance in 4-dimensional relativistic (Minkowski) spacetime so actually defines a LIGHT-MATRIX, which was somewhat erroneously termed the 'Rigid Ether' by James Clark Maxwell and many others of the pioneering scientists responsible for the sciences of today.
This can be rigorously proven in extending the Pythagorean theorem into a 4-dimensional continuum (which actually is discretized) for the displacement norm, i.e. the measurement of a distance between two coordinate points.
If you now describe the resultant velocity of some object in 3D space, but add a 4th dimension for the time; then it can be clearly shown, that the resultant 4-vector velocity describes the Movement of the Object through 3D-Space and a 1D-Time and where the 'Time-Velocity' behaves like a distance in the lightpath/c.

This means the following and something that Walter Russell knew:
Any object having SOME velocity Vspace in the 3D-Space must have a REDUCED velocity Vtime in the (common) 4D-Space.
In other words ANY velocity V of any object observed has a space-component and a time-component (calculable through Pythagorean vector decomposition).
This then also means that ANYTHING moving in space cannot move with maximum velocity in time.
This description then is another way to derive the postulates of Special Relativity from first principles.
Corollarily, only if something remains perfectly still within the metric continuum; can this something move with maximum velocity through Time.
Consequently the LIGHT-MATRIX of Walter Russel is 'proven' by Special Relativity.
John Shadow

The Universal Intelligence

Brook wrote:

THEeXchanger wrote:Your video Oxy from the 1st post
appears gone...
was it, this video:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXaXnAvEpB8  
The Pharaoh Show; Alien Predators in Human Appearance[youtube]www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXaXnAvEpB8 [/youtube]

Actually I believe he meant (and I may be wrong) this video with the alien mummy.  Of which there are many versions...this one is set to music.



Or the documentary in eight parts here:  

"ISIS UNVEILED??!!"