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    Post  magamud on Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:10 pm

    Floyd has to keep reminding himself to repress his unconscious down.
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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:54 pm

    Sometimes I think there are those who know that UFO's, God, and Aliens exist -- but they just like to mess with people -- and challenge them. I've seen UFO's. I think I've spoken with at least one individual who was NOT just another human-being. I don't know if they were fundamentally good or bad. I don't know if UFO's are fundamentally good or bad. And I certainly am NOT starting a UFO Alien Cult!! Just the opposite. I'm walking away from this madness. I've had just about enough...
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    Post  Sanicle on Sat Nov 16, 2013 5:41 am

    Thanks Brook. I'm inclined to believe that your summation of why Floyd does as he does is correct. As he's clearly an intelligent man, I'm hoping instead that it's just that he believes the alien cults are dangerous enough to us that he thinks it's worthwhile to hammer that fact home as repeatedly as he does so that any newcomers to the forum will see it too. It would be nice though if he did show himself to be a little more open-minded, seeing the potential for life being so much more than his apparently black and white, and earth-based only, views of it all.

    And thanks for the link to Vallee's book outlining his multidimensional views also. I love you 
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    Post  Sanicle on Sat Nov 16, 2013 5:45 am

    orthodoxymoron wrote:Sometimes I think there are those who know that UFO's, God, and Aliens exist -- but they just like to mess with people -- and challenge them. I've seen UFO's. I think I've spoken with at least one individual who was NOT just another human-being. I don't know if they were fundamentally good or bad. I don't know if UFO's are fundamentally good or bad. And I certainly am NOT starting a UFO Alien Cult!! Just the opposite. I'm walking away from this madness. I've had just about enough...
    Yay for you Oxy.  Thubs Up 

    I agree with you that we cannot really know if any of these beings, regardless of where they come from, are fundamentally good or bad unless we get to know them personally to make that judgement.  Only then can we truly act in any full capacity, for or against.  

    But if we don't have the luxury of personal knowledge, I still think it's fun and worthwhile to study the perceptions of those who have apparently made contact when we haven't ourselves, take note of the actions these other beings apparently willingly take in our reality, and also listen to the views of other wise minds, such as Jacques Vallee, when what they propose rings bells. I love you 
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    Post  Brook on Sat Nov 16, 2013 8:35 am

    I think I heard Floyd laughing. I see him try.

    The french scientist in this film represents Mr. Vallee losing his religion.

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    Post  Jenetta on Tue Nov 19, 2013 1:13 am

    orthodoxymoron wrote:Sometimes I think there are those who know that UFO's, God, and Aliens exist -- but they just like to mess with people -- and challenge them. I've seen UFO's. I think I've spoken with at least one individual who was NOT just another human-being. I don't know if they were fundamentally good or bad. I don't know if UFO's are fundamentally good or bad. And I certainly am NOT starting a UFO Alien Cult!! Just the opposite. I'm walking away from this madness. I've had just about enough...


    I've seen a UFO too Orthodoxy...back in 2011. I've also been in the company of a non human being while I was working airporter taxi. How do I know this? My sense of smell is very acute and this being who was sitting in the passenger seat next to me while I was driving emitted a sulphur odour which was quickly covered up. Glancing at this being I felt I could see scales underneath the human skin tissue. There were other "humans" in the seats behind.
    After dropping these "people" off at a private airport near the city airport I was soon off work. Upon looking in the mirror that evening or the next day I noticed a reddened patch (strip) of skin on front of my neck area as if I had been burned. At the same time all of that area felt deathly cold and so I wrapped the area up tight when going outdoors until it faded.
    Hey Brook I get a kick out of your cartoons...hilarious! No bath for Lionhawk until you finish the dishes.

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    Post  bobhardee on Tue Nov 19, 2013 3:30 pm

    I became a believer that UFO's are real in 1968. It was about 10:00 PM and we were south of Greensboro, NC in a rural area on a dirt road going very slow. I glanced over at my date and she had the look of total terror on her face. I followed where her eyes were glued and not more than 500 feet up coming straight at us was a UFO that was the size of a large passenger plane. It was saucer shaped and there were windows all the way around. There were all lite....except that one window would go dark for one second followed by the window next to it and it continued like that all the way around. A white light would blink on the 12, 3, 6, and 9 o'clock position on the tip of the saucer. It was totally quiet. Our windows were all down. It passed almost directly over our car. I got the car turned into the direction the saucer was going but by the time I went 100 yards, it was gone. We rode on down the road and there was an elderly gentleman standing outside his house. I stopped and asked if he had seen anything just fly over. He said "yes sir I done seen me a flying saucer."
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    Post  Floyd on Tue Nov 19, 2013 8:54 pm

    Aliens are a bit like unicorns.
    But unicorns are nice.
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    Post  THEeXchanger on Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:52 pm

    UNiCORNS are SCRiBES & THUNDERS
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    Post  Floyd on Wed Nov 20, 2013 5:51 am

    Messengers of deception. End message.
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    Post  Brook on Wed Nov 20, 2013 9:46 am

    Aliens are a bit like unicorns.
    But unicorns are nice.
    Messengers of deception. End message.
    See what I mean? Avoids the topic at all costs.
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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Wed Nov 20, 2013 3:04 pm

    Those were amazing stories, Bob and Jenetta!! I keep wondering if there is a Universal Elder Race who we originated from -- perhaps with Forbidden Genetic Engineering?! Perhaps our souls go way, way, way back to when we were members of this Universal Elder Race -- in good and regular standing -- before we became a Renegade Race. What if this Universal Elder Race is God?! I mean no disrespect. Perhaps most of our fancy technology, architecture, music, etc, etc, etc. originated from this Universal Elder Race!! I get the feeling that they are not happy with what's been happening in this solar system -- to say the least. I've speculated a lot about this sort of thing over the past few years -- but it hurts too much. I also get the feeling that I get supernaturally targeted when I start digging too deeply. I frankly see a conflict between Humanity and this Universal Elder Race within the Holy Bible. Finally, I get the feeling that this Universal Elder Race wants our Ancient Souls to rejoin our Ancient Relatives in our Original Pre-Human Physicality. I keep touching upon this theory -- without making a big-deal about it. This would give the Second-Coming of Christ and the End of the World a completely different meaning, wouldn't it?! I suspect this would be unwelcome news for just about everyone -- of all religions (and lack thereof). I get the feeling that there are rules and traditions in this universe which are not easily violated. The fact that something might be a 'Better Idea' might not make any difference whatsoever. In fact, a 'Better Idea' might be a HUGE Threat to the way the universe has operated for billions of years. The Domino-Effect and the Slippery-Slope might be legitimate concerns to the Universal Powers That Be. My conceptualizing has turned into a HUGE Nightmare -- and I seem to be fighting for my Eternal-Life 24/7. I'm miserable and exhausted -- no matter how much sleep I get -- and no matter how many long walks in nature I take. Honestly reading the Bible is anything but soothing and faith-inspiring. Being 'Guided by the Holy Spirit' seems to involve massive doses of rationalization and dishonesty -- and jumping from one isolated text to the next -- instead of reading whole chapters and books -- straight through -- with the strictest discernment and honesty. But what if the Bible IS accurate?? What if the horrors and absurdities really did (and do) exist?? What if both races and forms of governance cannot simultaneously and peacefully exist within the same universe?? My conceptualization of a Limited-Theocratic Royal-Model United States of the Solar System has been my attempt to find a Middle-Way between Humanity and the hypothetical Universal Elder Race. The Gods of Eden -- by William Bramley -- continues to haunt me. You have no idea how frightening my conceptualizations are. I really believe that a lot of people are True-Believers, Scoffers, and Atheists because they just can't deal with the Realities of Our Existence. It's just too complex, messy, and upsetting...
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    Post  bobhardee on Wed Nov 20, 2013 8:20 pm

    Floyd,
    I copied this from MUFON (Mutual UFO Network website), There are thousands of reports that you can read through just like this one which get posted daily. Some are much more believable than others. That being said, I seriously doubt that 1/2 of all UFO sightings are reported and if so certainly not to MUFON. Enjoy. Bob H.

    I live at at a marina downtown. As I got off my boat and started walking down the dock,.I noticed a glowing orange planet like light at about 55 degrees in the night sky. At first I thought is was one of the brighter planets, but it was about twice the size of the brightest planet that is observable. I stopped and watched as it slowly moved towards my right. It appeared to have no definite course, and as it seemed to slowly head away from where it was the brightest, the light dimmed and went out as if it was extinguished. I observed the object for about 15 seconds, the object dimmed to nothing during the last three seconds. I do not believe that it was any type of commercial or military aircraft, as it did not display the characteristic lighting, course, and became extinguished. I have never seen anything like it. There were individuals walking the dock within ear shot of my voice, and even though it was late in the evening, I did yell at a moderate volume,"UFO" as I pointed. I did not get any acknowledgement of they having heard me. I did call the Charleston city police station on Lockwood drive and asked if anyone else had called about seeing any objects. I gave my first name as requested, and was told that no reports had been taken nor had they heard any info relating to the object.
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    Post  bobhardee on Thu Nov 21, 2013 8:43 am

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    Post  Sanicle on Thu Nov 21, 2013 9:54 am

    After reading both of Jacques Vallee’s books that links have been given to on this thread, “Messengers of Deception” thanks to Floyd, and “Dimensions: A Casebook of Alien Contact” thanks to Brook, I’ve decided that the former would be more appropriately named “Messengers of Enlightenment.

    Why?  Because in every single case, regardless of the ‘message’, those who saw these visitors had their minds opened up to the fact that there are realities, dimensions and intelligent beings in existence other than those we are generally aware of.  And that opens the gate for those witnesses to learn more, knowing without doubt that there is so much more to learn, more than our so-called ‘experts’ and ‘authority figures’ can comprehend or deal with.  And that is a gift, especially to those who may have lost faith in the latter and who feel within that “there’s got to be more than this to life”.

    I think the following story from “Dimensions….” Is a great example of why humanity has had a problem dealing with these many and varied visits from the other dimensions.
    The famous Cabalist Zedechias, in the reign of your Pepin, took it into his head to convince the world that the Elements are inhabited by those peoples whose nature I have just described to you. The expedient of which he bethought himself was to advise the Sylphs to show themselves in the Air to everybody: They did so sumptuously. These beings were seen in the Air in human form, sometimes in battle array marching in good order, halting under arms, or encamped beneath magnificent tents; sometimes on wonderfully constructed aerial ships, whose flying squadrons roved at the will of the Zephyrs.

    What happened? Do you suppose that ignorant age would so much as reason as to the nature of these marvellous spectacles? The people straightaway believed that sorcerers had taken possession of the Air for the purpose of raising tempest and bringing hail upon their crops.

    The learned theologians and jurists were soon of the same opinion as the masses. The Emperor believed it as well; and this ridiculous chimera went so far that the wise Charlemagne, and after him Louis the Debonair, imposed grievous penalties upon all these supposed Tyrants of the Air.


    Now comes an account of outright contact, which I quote from the same book, “Entretiens sur les sciences secretes”:

    The Sylphs seeing the populace, the peasants and even the crowned heads thus alarmed
    against them, determined to dissipate the bad opinion people had of their innocent fleet
    by carrying off men from every locality and showing them their beautiful women, their Republic and their manner of government, and then setting them down again on earth in divers parts of the world.

    They carried out their plan. The people who saw these men as they were descending came running from every direction, convinced beforehand that they were sorcerers who had separated from their companions in order to come and scatter poisons on the fruit and in the springs. Carried away by the frenzy with which such fancies inspired them, they hurried these innocents off to the torture. The great number of them who were put to death by fire and water throughout the kingdom is incredible.

    The most extraordinary case involved the abduction of four people and their return to earth:

    One day, among other instances, it chanced at Lyons that three men and a woman were seen descending from these aerial ships.   The entire city gathered about them, crying out they were magicians and were sent by Grimaldus, Duke of Beneventum, Charlemagne's enemy, to destroy the French harvest. In vain the four innocents sought to vindicate themselves by saying that they were their own country-folk, and had been carried away a short time since by miraculous men who had shown them unheard-of marvels, and had desired to give them an account of what they had seen.

    The frenzied populace paid no heed to their defense, and were on the point of casting them into the fire, when the worthy Agobard, Bishop of Lyons, who having been a monk in that city had acquired considerable authority there, came running at the noise, and having heard the accusations of the people and the defense of the accused, gravely pronounced that both one and the other were false. That it was not true that these men had fallen from the sky, and that what they said they had seen there was impossible.

    The people believed what their good father Agobard said rather than their own eyes, were pacified, set at liberty the four Ambassadors of the Sylphs, and recieved with wonder the book which Agobard wrote to confirm the judgement which he had pronounced. Thus the testimony of these four witnesses was rendered vain.


    Pages 14-15
    Thankfully witnesses are treated a little more kindly today, although the fear, lack of belief and condemnation by authorities is still the rule rather than the exception.  Humanity, or possibly our conditioning, has not changed all that much.

    But, in my opinion, the witnesses have still been gifted.  Even Vallee acknowledges that in almost every case these people “happy”, more open-minded and at “peace” with life.  They KNOW there is more.  These beings have stimulated them mentally, emotionally and spiritually and have the power to do so again, maybe to a greater extent.

    Mind you I still believe that deception is at work amongst all of this but that it comes from both the secret elements of our human government as well as other power hungry humans and maybe not-so-humans, and I stand by what I said earlier on account of this which can be viewed in full in Post #17 on Page 2.

    One more thing I’d like to add is that I double-checked with my sylph friend E. in regards to the argument that these appearances are merely those of her kind who can move between realities, or if some are those of extra-terrestrial beings as well in UFOs.  Her answer was succinct.  She said, “Both,” then added significantly, “All.”  Stands to reason to me.  Who says that ETs can’t make use of the other dimensions to travel, given that they don’t have the same time and space restrictions that we face in this reality?

    Oh, and is it really surprising that E and her ilk don't appear to us as often as they apparently did in the past when the above story, and many others like it in Dr Vallee's books, show how badly they were received when they did?
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    Post  Brook on Thu Nov 21, 2013 12:19 pm

    Francis Crick:

    Was an English molecular biologist, biophysicist, and neuroscientist, most noted for being a co-discoverer of the structure of the DNA molecule in 1953 with James D. Watson. He, Watson, and Maurice Wilkins were jointly awarded the 1962 Nobel Prize for Physiology or Medicine "for their discoveries concerning the molecular structure of nucleic acids and its significance for information transfer in living material"


    Nobel Prize winner Francis Crick, believes the first living cells were placed on Earth by intelligent aliens from elsewhere in the Galaxy. (But then how did the aliens get started?)


    During the 1960s, Crick became concerned with the origins of the genetic code. In 1966, Crick took the place of Leslie Orgel at a meeting where Orgel was to talk about the origin of life. Crick speculated about possible stages by which an initially simple code with a few amino acid types might have evolved into the more complex code used by existing organisms. At that time, everyone thought of proteins as the only kind of enzymes and ribozymes had not yet been found. Many molecular biologists were puzzled by the problem of the origin of a protein replicating system that is as complex as that which exists in organisms currently inhabiting Earth. In the early 1970s, Crick and Orgel further speculated about the possibility that the production of living systems from molecules may have been a very rare event in the universe, but once it had developed it could be spread by intelligent life forms using space travel technology, a process they called "directed panspermia".

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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Thu Nov 21, 2013 4:17 pm

    Brook, I keep thinking that the REAL evolution of life, the universe, and everything occurred over a VERY, VERY long time-period -- with all manner of monstrosities and horrors -- combined with unimaginable Star Wars and Power Struggles. I keep thinking that Humanity (and what we see here on Earth) is really a neat and clean recent development based upon that ancient-foundation -- complete with genetic-engineering. We sometimes think we have it tough -- but I suspect that the REAL history of the universe is unimaginably horrific and painful. I think we've been VERY sheltered -- so far...
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    Post  magamud on Thu Nov 21, 2013 6:09 pm

    The living man and natural law...

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    Post  bobhardee on Thu Nov 21, 2013 7:21 pm

    That was yet another prime example of the failing state of mental health in this country.
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    Post  TRANCOSO on Fri Nov 22, 2013 12:35 am

    Floyd wrote:If ufos were real we would have all seen one by now.
    I've seen UFOs on different occasions.

    Mind you, as sober as one can be.

    I've also seen ghosts and met some strange persons at a deserted Barcelona ferry station, where after I had a 11-hour missing time experience - in which I was cured from a very badly bruised knee, and found myself back, halfway to Ibiza, at the ferry - without a ticket.

    (I was dropped off at the ferry station by a doctor who had examined me after my motorcycle accident near Rosas (Spain) and had advised me to go back home, - I was as good as crippled -  but because I insisted to go to Ibiza, and he was going to Barcelona the next day, I ended up at the (deserted) ferry station at 11:00 in the morning - the boat to Ibiza was scheduled to depart at 19:00.

    He had given me the address of a colleague - a study friend - on Ibiza, who could look after my knee, so when I went there the next day, walking as if nothing had happened, and phoned him to tell what had happened to me - with his colleague as my witness -  he said: "Wow, you've met 'The Light People'! So they really exist!")

    I know what I know, 'cos I've seen what I have seen - and experienced!

    I don't call myself LORD TRANCOSO for nothing, Floyd... Wink 

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    Post  burgundia on Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:46 am

    [quote="TRANCOSO"]
    Floyd wrote:If ufos were real we would have all seen one by now.
    If you were real , we all would have seen you.
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    Post  Sanicle on Fri Nov 22, 2013 10:09 am

    Haha, that's a classic Burgundia. Razz 
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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Fri Nov 22, 2013 2:35 pm

    For all we know, Floyd could be a Tall Long-Nosed Grey-Alien, living inside the Face on Mars!! elephant I just remembered that I have a copy of Dimensions -- so I think I'll read it this weekend.
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    Post  magamud on Sat Nov 23, 2013 9:54 am

    "That was yet another prime example of the failing state of mental health in this country."

    That living man is as sane as sane can be. He at least can see the fictitious litigious piratization of our planet. He can at least think in Natural Law terms. Our species is in a strong delusion and all your witty, farcical dismissals at truth is just that.
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    Post  TRANCOSO on Sat Nov 23, 2013 2:35 pm

    magamud wrote:"That was yet another prime example of the failing state of mental health in this country."

    That living man is as sane as sane can be.  He at least can see the fictitious litigious piratization of our planet.  He can at least think in Natural Law terms.  Our species is in a strong delusion and all your witty, farcical dismissals at truth is just that.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kopbc5qcm68

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