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Mystery missile launched off the coast of California
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The report mentions nothing about what I would conjecture as it being a non US submarine, perhaps the Chinese demonstrating their test firing of an ICBM blowing smoke in the face of the U.S. whilst Barry is on tour in Asia.
The removal of the report is std procedure for cover-ups - no?
Could this be part of the Nov 9th-11th tipping point HPH/Cliff High mentioned? - It is indeed a curious event we should take more of an interest in.
Thanks Burgundia - very interesting.
The removal of the report is std procedure for cover-ups - no?
Could this be part of the Nov 9th-11th tipping point HPH/Cliff High mentioned? - It is indeed a curious event we should take more of an interest in.
Thanks Burgundia - very interesting.
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Very large contrail. Lucky it was pointed away from the US , not inland.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb4yLWBLqvU
The Russian company Concern Morinformsystem-Agat is marketing a deadly new weapon, one that can allow a rogue state to overcome the technological superiority of Western militaries. The system can even be used to carry out devastating attacks on the U.S. homeland with little means of defense.
The system, as seen in its promotional video, allows a weak nation to strike the land and sea targets of a superior force by placing cruise missiles into any type of 40 foot container. The video uses a ship, truck and train as examples of potential launching platforms. This means that once this weapon is sold, any of these transportation vehicles have to be seen as missile pads.
The West normally relies upon advanced surveillance to detect and monitor such pads so that prior notice of a launch can be achieved, allowing for the site to be destroyed before the missile takes off or the missile to be intercepted. This warning allows for preparations for impact to be undertaken and retaliatory measures to be evaluated. By concealing and launching the missiles from cargo containers, there is absolutely minimal time to react, as effective surveillance would require following every truck, train or ship.
In addition, these vehicles can cross borders, making it more difficult to identify the perpetrator of an attack and impossible to predict where an attack might come from. The missiles might from a shipping vessel off the coast or a truck that crossed via the Mexican border. With a range of 220 kilometers, or about 136 miles, they can either be fired from a safe distance from the border or the distance can be minimized by getting close to the target by being hidden.
The affect of such an attack would be devastating. Military targets like aircraft carriers could be destroyed, or a key piece of infrastructure could be disabled. The U.S. would have to begin checking all the ship cargo entering via the ports and the trucks entering the country, dramatically slowing down commerce while leaving open the possibility for further attacks. This weapon is just as much a psychological and economic weapon as it is military.
It is clear that the weapon is meant for anti-American clients. In the promotional video, the military forces preparing to attack include high-tech warships and aircraft, a way of not-so-subtly pointing out to prospective customers that the system can allow them to stand up to Western aggressors. The words of a spokeswoman for the Russian company make it obvious that the Club-K system was made with enemies of the U.S. in mind.
The company maintains that the system is designed to be one of the "effective countermeasures against state terrorism." The company can only be referring to the United States and Israel. Their goal is to help countries like Iran, Syria and Venezuela gain the means to alter the balance of power and deter any aggressive action against them.
The Telegraph touched on this, writing that "Some experts believe that if Iraq had the Club-K system in 2003 it would have made it impossible for America to invade with any container ship in the Gulf a potential threat." For a minor cost of $10-20 million, these countries can make the consequences of military action against them so high that they can mostly act as they please.
Concern has been voiced that the weapon could fall into the hands of terrorists. The missiles use satellites for their precision targeting, so the idea that Al-Qaeda or another terrorist not acting as a saboteur on behalf of a state could use them is far-fetched. However, that does not mean that a rogue state couldn't use such terrorists as proxies and use their own satellites to guide the missiles.
In September 2008, Israel's top information security official in the military claimed that the information given to Syria by Russian intelligence-gathering ships and listening posts in the Golan Heights was being used to help Hezbollah. Russia doesn't even have Hamas or Hezbollah on their list of terrorist organizations. It is quite possible that Iran and Syria will use terrorist operatives to carry out an attack with the weapon, as could Venezuela. North Korea could buy it and sell it to countries around the world. The more countries that possess the Club-K, the more likely it is to be used in an offensive fashion as it becomes more difficult for the victim to pinpoint the source of the attack.
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The Russian company Concern Morinformsystem-Agat is marketing a deadly new weapon, one that can allow a rogue state to overcome the technological superiority of Western militaries. The system can even be used to carry out devastating attacks on the U.S. homeland with little means of defense.
The system, as seen in its promotional video, allows a weak nation to strike the land and sea targets of a superior force by placing cruise missiles into any type of 40 foot container. The video uses a ship, truck and train as examples of potential launching platforms. This means that once this weapon is sold, any of these transportation vehicles have to be seen as missile pads.
The West normally relies upon advanced surveillance to detect and monitor such pads so that prior notice of a launch can be achieved, allowing for the site to be destroyed before the missile takes off or the missile to be intercepted. This warning allows for preparations for impact to be undertaken and retaliatory measures to be evaluated. By concealing and launching the missiles from cargo containers, there is absolutely minimal time to react, as effective surveillance would require following every truck, train or ship.
In addition, these vehicles can cross borders, making it more difficult to identify the perpetrator of an attack and impossible to predict where an attack might come from. The missiles might from a shipping vessel off the coast or a truck that crossed via the Mexican border. With a range of 220 kilometers, or about 136 miles, they can either be fired from a safe distance from the border or the distance can be minimized by getting close to the target by being hidden.
The affect of such an attack would be devastating. Military targets like aircraft carriers could be destroyed, or a key piece of infrastructure could be disabled. The U.S. would have to begin checking all the ship cargo entering via the ports and the trucks entering the country, dramatically slowing down commerce while leaving open the possibility for further attacks. This weapon is just as much a psychological and economic weapon as it is military.
It is clear that the weapon is meant for anti-American clients. In the promotional video, the military forces preparing to attack include high-tech warships and aircraft, a way of not-so-subtly pointing out to prospective customers that the system can allow them to stand up to Western aggressors. The words of a spokeswoman for the Russian company make it obvious that the Club-K system was made with enemies of the U.S. in mind.
The company maintains that the system is designed to be one of the "effective countermeasures against state terrorism." The company can only be referring to the United States and Israel. Their goal is to help countries like Iran, Syria and Venezuela gain the means to alter the balance of power and deter any aggressive action against them.
The Telegraph touched on this, writing that "Some experts believe that if Iraq had the Club-K system in 2003 it would have made it impossible for America to invade with any container ship in the Gulf a potential threat." For a minor cost of $10-20 million, these countries can make the consequences of military action against them so high that they can mostly act as they please.
Concern has been voiced that the weapon could fall into the hands of terrorists. The missiles use satellites for their precision targeting, so the idea that Al-Qaeda or another terrorist not acting as a saboteur on behalf of a state could use them is far-fetched. However, that does not mean that a rogue state couldn't use such terrorists as proxies and use their own satellites to guide the missiles.
In September 2008, Israel's top information security official in the military claimed that the information given to Syria by Russian intelligence-gathering ships and listening posts in the Golan Heights was being used to help Hezbollah. Russia doesn't even have Hamas or Hezbollah on their list of terrorist organizations. It is quite possible that Iran and Syria will use terrorist operatives to carry out an attack with the weapon, as could Venezuela. North Korea could buy it and sell it to countries around the world. The more countries that possess the Club-K, the more likely it is to be used in an offensive fashion as it becomes more difficult for the victim to pinpoint the source of the attack.
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Queens gets its own 'missile' attack
By ANDY SOLTIS
Last Updated: 10:53 AM, November 11, 2010
First California. Now they're shooting at Queens!
Two days after a mysterious vapor trail appeared at sundown off the Los Angeles coast -- triggering fears of an enemy missile attack -- a stunning replay occurred in the sky over Far Rockaway.
A passer-by snapped a photo of a billowing streak yesterday afternoon at around 5 p.m.
Like Monday's scare on the West Coast, it looked like the exhaust from a just-launched missile.
What caused the contrail visible from the Rockaways also is not known.
"It looked like a rocket," said the photographer, who added that the plume appeared to the west of the Rockaways, possibly over Brooklyn or New Jersey.
SCARE PLANE? A missile-like streak appears in the sky yesterday to the west of the Rockaways, much like the still-unexplained mystery Monday off California.
The local resident said it didn't resemble the usual contrails left by planes from nearby Kennedy Airport.
The Pentagon closed the case on Monday's incident off the California coast by announcing yesterday that it was just an optical illusion that made a plane look like a missile.
The distorted angle of videotape of it taken by a TV news helicopter led to the confusion, military officials said in Washington.
All other explanations have been ruled out after a 36-hour investigation, they said.
"There is no evidence to suggest that this is anything else other than a condensation trail from an aircraft," said Pentagon spokesman Col. David Lapan.
Although conspiracy theories and UFO claims flooded the blogosphere, several scientists said there was little doubt the trail, which appeared near Santa Catalina Island, was caused by a plane.
They said the video indicated the object changed direction and flew at a constant speed, which a rocket-launched missile wouldn't do. Missiles accelerate as they soar into the sky, they said.
But Doug Richardson, editor of Jane's Missiles and Rockets magazine, said he was certain it was "a solid-propellant missile."
"You can tell from the efflux" or smoke in the vapor, he told The Times of London.
Another theory that went viral Tuesday was that it was a super-secret project of the US military, such as a next-generation spy satellite. But critics pointed out that launching it just 35 miles from the nation's second-biggest city at sundown was a bad way to keep it confidential.
Adding to the confusion, the Pentagon, Navy, Air Force, Federal Aviation Administration, Coast Guard and North American Aerospace Defense Command each said Tuesday that they had investigated the sighting but couldn't explain what it was.
Robert Ellsworth, a former deputy defense secretary, called it "a big missile" that "takes the people's breath away." The KCBS cameraman who captured the image, Gil Leyvas, said it sure looked to him like an incoming missile. "I saw a big plume coming up, rising from . . . beyond the horizon and it continued to grow."
Leyvas said he zoomed his camera in and kept it on the vapor trail for roughly 10 minutes. "It was unique. It was moving. It was growing in the sky."
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/queens/nyc_missile_whCKDgGXTK9J4lGuuxVgeO#ixzz156gfGrF9
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By ANDY SOLTIS
Last Updated: 10:53 AM, November 11, 2010
First California. Now they're shooting at Queens!
Two days after a mysterious vapor trail appeared at sundown off the Los Angeles coast -- triggering fears of an enemy missile attack -- a stunning replay occurred in the sky over Far Rockaway.
A passer-by snapped a photo of a billowing streak yesterday afternoon at around 5 p.m.
Like Monday's scare on the West Coast, it looked like the exhaust from a just-launched missile.
What caused the contrail visible from the Rockaways also is not known.
"It looked like a rocket," said the photographer, who added that the plume appeared to the west of the Rockaways, possibly over Brooklyn or New Jersey.
SCARE PLANE? A missile-like streak appears in the sky yesterday to the west of the Rockaways, much like the still-unexplained mystery Monday off California.
The local resident said it didn't resemble the usual contrails left by planes from nearby Kennedy Airport.
The Pentagon closed the case on Monday's incident off the California coast by announcing yesterday that it was just an optical illusion that made a plane look like a missile.
The distorted angle of videotape of it taken by a TV news helicopter led to the confusion, military officials said in Washington.
All other explanations have been ruled out after a 36-hour investigation, they said.
"There is no evidence to suggest that this is anything else other than a condensation trail from an aircraft," said Pentagon spokesman Col. David Lapan.
Although conspiracy theories and UFO claims flooded the blogosphere, several scientists said there was little doubt the trail, which appeared near Santa Catalina Island, was caused by a plane.
They said the video indicated the object changed direction and flew at a constant speed, which a rocket-launched missile wouldn't do. Missiles accelerate as they soar into the sky, they said.
But Doug Richardson, editor of Jane's Missiles and Rockets magazine, said he was certain it was "a solid-propellant missile."
"You can tell from the efflux" or smoke in the vapor, he told The Times of London.
Another theory that went viral Tuesday was that it was a super-secret project of the US military, such as a next-generation spy satellite. But critics pointed out that launching it just 35 miles from the nation's second-biggest city at sundown was a bad way to keep it confidential.
Adding to the confusion, the Pentagon, Navy, Air Force, Federal Aviation Administration, Coast Guard and North American Aerospace Defense Command each said Tuesday that they had investigated the sighting but couldn't explain what it was.
Robert Ellsworth, a former deputy defense secretary, called it "a big missile" that "takes the people's breath away." The KCBS cameraman who captured the image, Gil Leyvas, said it sure looked to him like an incoming missile. "I saw a big plume coming up, rising from . . . beyond the horizon and it continued to grow."
Leyvas said he zoomed his camera in and kept it on the vapor trail for roughly 10 minutes. "It was unique. It was moving. It was growing in the sky."
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/queens/nyc_missile_whCKDgGXTK9J4lGuuxVgeO#ixzz156gfGrF9
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Wayne Madsen: China Fired Missile Seen In Southern California
Washington, DC-based independent investigative reporter Wayne Madsen claims in his exclusive (to subcribers) report of November 10, that the missile seen last Monday in the skies off the coast of Southern California was China’s. Beijing meant it as a show of force to warn the United States.
Wayne Madsen Report – November 10, 2010
China flexed its military muscle Monday evening in the skies west of Los Angeles when a Chinese Navy Jin class ballistic missile nuclear submarine, deployed secretly from its underground home base on the south coast of Hainan island, launched an intercontinental ballistic missile from international waters off the southern California coast. WMR’s intelligence sources in Asia, including Japan, say the belief by the military commands in Asia and the intelligence services is that the Chinese decided to demonstrate to the United States its capabilities on the eve of the G-20 Summit in Seoul and the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit in Tokyo, where President Obama is scheduled to attend during his ten-day trip to Asia.
The reported Chinese missile test off Los Angeles came as a double blow to Obama. The day after the missile firing, China’s leading credit rating agency, Dagong Global Credit Rating, downgraded sovereign debt rating of the United States to A-plus from AA. The missile demonstration coupled with the downgrading of the United States financial grade represents a military and financial show of force by Beijing to Washington.
The Pentagon spin machine, backed by the media reporters who regularly cover the Defense Department, as well as officials of the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD), and the U.S. Northern Command, is now spinning various conspiracy theories, including describing the missile plume videotaped by KCBS news helicopter cameraman Gil Leyvas at around 5:00 pm Pacific Standard Time, during the height of evening rush hour, as the condensation trail from a jet aircraft. Other Pentagon-inspired cover stories are that the missile was actually an amateur rocket or an optical illusion.
Experts agree that this was a ballistic missile being fired off of Los Angeles. Pentagon insists it was a jet aircraft or model rocket.
There are no records of a plane in the area having taken off from Los Angeles International Airport or from other airports in the region. The Navy and Air Force have said that they were not conducting any missile tests from submarines, ships, or Vandenberg Air Force Base. The Navy has also ruled out an accidental firing from one of its own submarines.
Missile experts, including those from Jane’s in London, say the plume was definitely from a missile, possibly launched from a submarine. WMR has learned that the missile was likely a JL-2 ICBM, which has a range of 7,000 miles, and was fired in a northwesterly direction over the Pacific and away from U.S. territory from a Jin class submarine. The Jin class can carry up to twelve such missiles.
Navy sources have revealed that the missile may have impacted on Chinese territory and that the National Security Agency (NSA) likely posseses intercepts of Chinese telemtry signals during the missile firing and subsequent testing operations.
Japanese and other Asian intelligence agencies believe that a Chinese Jin-class SSBN submarine conducted missile “show of force” in skies west of Los Angeles.
Asian intelligence sources believe the submarine transited from its base on Hainan through South Pacific waters, where U.S. anti-submarine warfare detection capabilities are not as effective as they are in the northern and mid-Pacific, and then transited north to waters off of Los Angeles. The Pentagon, which has spent billions on ballistic missile defense systems, a pet project of former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, is clearly embarrassed over the Chinese show of strength.
Likely route of Jin-class submarine from Hainan base.
The White House also wants to donwplay the missile story before Presidnet Obama meets with his Chinese counterpart in Seoul and Tokyo. According to Japanese intelligence sources, Beijing has been angry over United States and allied naval exercises in the South China and Yellow Seas, in what China considers its sphere of influence, and the missile firing within the view of people in Southern California was a demonstration that China’s navy can also play in waters off the American coast.
For the U.S. Navy, the Chinese show of force is a huge embarassment, especially for the Navy’s Pacific Command in Pearl Harbor, where Japan’s December 7, 1941 attack on the fleet at Pearl Harbor remains a sore subject.
In 2002, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice reportedly scolded visiting Chinese General Xiong Guankai, the deputy chief of staff for intelligence of the People’s Liberation Army, for remarks he allegedly made in 1995 that China would use nuclear weapons on Los Angeles. Xiong denied he made any such comments but the “spin” on the story helped convince Congress to sink billions of additional dollars into ballistic missile defense, sometimes referred to at “Star Wars II.”
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/260/149/Wayne_Madsen
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Washington, DC-based independent investigative reporter Wayne Madsen claims in his exclusive (to subcribers) report of November 10, that the missile seen last Monday in the skies off the coast of Southern California was China’s. Beijing meant it as a show of force to warn the United States.
Wayne Madsen Report – November 10, 2010
China flexed its military muscle Monday evening in the skies west of Los Angeles when a Chinese Navy Jin class ballistic missile nuclear submarine, deployed secretly from its underground home base on the south coast of Hainan island, launched an intercontinental ballistic missile from international waters off the southern California coast. WMR’s intelligence sources in Asia, including Japan, say the belief by the military commands in Asia and the intelligence services is that the Chinese decided to demonstrate to the United States its capabilities on the eve of the G-20 Summit in Seoul and the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit in Tokyo, where President Obama is scheduled to attend during his ten-day trip to Asia.
The reported Chinese missile test off Los Angeles came as a double blow to Obama. The day after the missile firing, China’s leading credit rating agency, Dagong Global Credit Rating, downgraded sovereign debt rating of the United States to A-plus from AA. The missile demonstration coupled with the downgrading of the United States financial grade represents a military and financial show of force by Beijing to Washington.
The Pentagon spin machine, backed by the media reporters who regularly cover the Defense Department, as well as officials of the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD), and the U.S. Northern Command, is now spinning various conspiracy theories, including describing the missile plume videotaped by KCBS news helicopter cameraman Gil Leyvas at around 5:00 pm Pacific Standard Time, during the height of evening rush hour, as the condensation trail from a jet aircraft. Other Pentagon-inspired cover stories are that the missile was actually an amateur rocket or an optical illusion.
Experts agree that this was a ballistic missile being fired off of Los Angeles. Pentagon insists it was a jet aircraft or model rocket.
There are no records of a plane in the area having taken off from Los Angeles International Airport or from other airports in the region. The Navy and Air Force have said that they were not conducting any missile tests from submarines, ships, or Vandenberg Air Force Base. The Navy has also ruled out an accidental firing from one of its own submarines.
Missile experts, including those from Jane’s in London, say the plume was definitely from a missile, possibly launched from a submarine. WMR has learned that the missile was likely a JL-2 ICBM, which has a range of 7,000 miles, and was fired in a northwesterly direction over the Pacific and away from U.S. territory from a Jin class submarine. The Jin class can carry up to twelve such missiles.
Navy sources have revealed that the missile may have impacted on Chinese territory and that the National Security Agency (NSA) likely posseses intercepts of Chinese telemtry signals during the missile firing and subsequent testing operations.
Japanese and other Asian intelligence agencies believe that a Chinese Jin-class SSBN submarine conducted missile “show of force” in skies west of Los Angeles.
Asian intelligence sources believe the submarine transited from its base on Hainan through South Pacific waters, where U.S. anti-submarine warfare detection capabilities are not as effective as they are in the northern and mid-Pacific, and then transited north to waters off of Los Angeles. The Pentagon, which has spent billions on ballistic missile defense systems, a pet project of former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, is clearly embarrassed over the Chinese show of strength.
Likely route of Jin-class submarine from Hainan base.
The White House also wants to donwplay the missile story before Presidnet Obama meets with his Chinese counterpart in Seoul and Tokyo. According to Japanese intelligence sources, Beijing has been angry over United States and allied naval exercises in the South China and Yellow Seas, in what China considers its sphere of influence, and the missile firing within the view of people in Southern California was a demonstration that China’s navy can also play in waters off the American coast.
For the U.S. Navy, the Chinese show of force is a huge embarassment, especially for the Navy’s Pacific Command in Pearl Harbor, where Japan’s December 7, 1941 attack on the fleet at Pearl Harbor remains a sore subject.
In 2002, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice reportedly scolded visiting Chinese General Xiong Guankai, the deputy chief of staff for intelligence of the People’s Liberation Army, for remarks he allegedly made in 1995 that China would use nuclear weapons on Los Angeles. Xiong denied he made any such comments but the “spin” on the story helped convince Congress to sink billions of additional dollars into ballistic missile defense, sometimes referred to at “Star Wars II.”
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/260/149/Wayne_Madsen
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mudra wrote:[b]Wayne Madsen: China Fired Missile Seen In Southern California
Washington, DC-based independent investigative reporter Wayne Madsen claims in his exclusive (to subcribers) report of November 10, that the missile seen last Monday in the skies off the coast of Southern California was China’s. Beijing meant it as a show of force to warn the United States.
Well, you heard it here first http://www.themistsofavalon.net/news-views-f9/mystery-missile-launched-off-the-coast-of-california-t1226.htm#21706
No, I did not get a message in my ear from Plaedians like Wild Coleen did..
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eMonkey wrote:mudra wrote:[b]Wayne Madsen: China Fired Missile Seen In Southern California
Washington, DC-based independent investigative reporter Wayne Madsen claims in his exclusive (to subcribers) report of November 10, that the missile seen last Monday in the skies off the coast of Southern California was China’s. Beijing meant it as a show of force to warn the United States.
Well, you heard it here first http://www.themistsofavalon.net/news-views-f9/mystery-missile-launched-off-the-coast-of-california-t1226.htm#21706
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Hey.. indeed ... I had forgotten about that eMonkey
eMonkey wrote:No, I did not get a message in my ear from Plaedians like Wild Coleen did.
Well I would say it's a blessing you did'nt
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Former USAF vet photographs F-22 Stealth fighter jets circling over LA morning after missile event
Why were F-22 Raptor Jets circling over LA the morning after ‘missile’ incident?
Based on recent news reports the story of the California missile has been ‘laid to rest’. By the media, and, the Pentagon. The same media who relied on an email from the Pentagon. An email which was sent out 36 hours after the incident. A Pentagon email which stated the missile was ‘likely’ a jet. In the Pentagon email, the adjective ‘likely’, used four times.
FOX News:
The Department of Defense said Wednesday that it was satisfied the event was likely caused by an airplane.
“With all the information that we have gathered over the last day and a half about this condensation trail off the coast of southern California on Monday night, both within the DoD and other U.S. government agencies, we have no information to suggest this was anything other than a contrail caused by an aircraft,” said Col. David Lapan, a Pentagon spokesman.
“As stated yesterday, NORAD and USNORTHCOM determined that there was no threat to the U.S. homeland.”
Lapan said that in the mind of the DoD this case is closed.
Lapan said the government looked at lots of data sources other than the CBS news tape. He would not get into the details of what those data sources were, but said that evidence helped determine this was most likely an aircraft. But most importantly, it was the response from all other government agencies saying they did not launch anything that convinced them this was likely an aircraft.
“The Department of Defense, after gathering info over the last 36 hours from within the Department of Defense and other U.S. government agencies, is satisfied the contrail was likely caused by an aircraft.”
The phrase ‘most likely’ and the adjective ‘likely’, the conclusion made by the Pentagon 36 hours after the incident. Rather curious, the 36 hours response time from the Pentagon in relation to an incident which concerned national security. The 36 hours needed to come to the conclusion the ‘contrail’ was ‘most likely from a jet’. Even more curious, an eyewitness report of B-2 Stealth bombers over Northern California ‘headed for the coast’ during the same time period the mystery ‘missile’ was filmed. Another eyewitness, an USAF vet who lives in Malibu who claimed they saw a missile, reported seeing increased military helicopter activity and shot photos of two stealth jet fighters, F-22 Raptor jets, circling over LA the morning after the ‘missile’ event.
The following, a tip received by DKBP:
Hey, I live in Malibu and saw the MISSILE!!! I am USAF vet was stationed at Vandenberg AFB, a missile base, and have seen quite a few launches…
THIS WAS A MISSILE!!! and if it wasn’t, then why on 11/10/10, 9:50am, did I take the attached picture of 2 F-22 raptor fighter jets circling LA???? These are top of the line fighter jets and I have NEVER seen one around here….. Seeing a lot more military helicopters flying past too….
F-22 Raptor fighter jets have stealth technology, the ability to fly undetected by radar.
F-22 Raptor website:
Continuous developments in military aircraft technology have produced a new sort of defensive weapon: Stealth.
Planes can now fly invisibly into enemy airspace, drop a payload, and fly back out without being detected, identified or attacked.
Where are F-22′s based?
An October 29, 2010, report from Military Aerospace:
MARIETTA, Ga., 29 Oct. 2010. Lockheed Martin [NYSE: LMT] F-22 Raptor 4168 flew from the company’s Marietta facility on its delivery flight to Langley Air Force Base, Va. Raptor 4168 is the 15th F-22 delivered to the U.S. Air Force this year, the 168th overall. Lockheed Martin has delivered 88 consecutive F-22s on or ahead of schedule.
Two squadrons of F-22s are assigned to Air Combat Command’s 1st Fighter Wing at Langley AFB. Two squadrons also are assigned to the 3rd Wing at Elmendorf AFB, Alaska. Raptor pilots and maintainers train at Tyndall AFB, Fla., while operational flight testing is conducted at Edwards AFB, Calif., and Nellis AFB, Nev. New F-22s continue to roll from the production line and will soon operate out of Holloman AFB, N.M., and Hickam AFB, Hawaii.
A November 4, 2010 report from the U.S. Air Force Aim Points website:
JOINT BASE ELMENDORF-RICHARDSON, Alaska — The 90th Fighter Squadron, 3rd Wing, deployed F-22s and personnel to Tyndall Air Force Base, Fla., Oct. 30, to participate in exercise Combat Archer, the air-to-air evaluation portion of the United States Air Force’s Weapons Systems Evaluation Program.
The 90th FS is training and being evaluated with the maintainers of the 90th Aircraft Maintenance Unit and their reserve counterparts from the 302nd Fighter Squadron, 477th Fight Group, for this temporary duty assignment.
During this three-week deployment, pilots and maintainers are working together to validate the air-to-air combat capability of the newest F-22 Raptors in the Air Force inventory.
The jets assigned to the 90th FS have never fired live air-to-air missiles before and this deployment will ensure the squadron is ready for any contingency operation, leaders said.
Combat Archer provides a unique opportunity for our fighter pilots to experience firing a live air-to-air missile prior to combat, said Lt. Col. Joseph Kunkel, 90th FS commander.
“Particularly because these jets are brand new, this program allows first-time jets and pilots to experience what it feels like to fire a missile while in flight,” Kunkel said.
According to the report the 90th Fighter Squadron, 3rd Wing, F-22′s out of Elemendorf Air Force Base located near Anchorage, Alaska, are down in Florida in the midst of a three-week training exercie.
With the Elmendorf F-22 squadron deployed to Florida, the only other F-22 squadron based at Langley AFB in Virginia, the question of why two F-22′s were spotted and photographed by an USAF vet ‘circling’ over LA the morning after the ‘missile’ incident?
read more : http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2010/11/mystery-missile-a-jet-eyewitnesses-report-b-2-stealth-bombers-f-22-stealth-fighter-jets/
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the missle was a test by the USA of a new missle designed to disperse a bio or chemical weapon, and to see how the citizens would react to such a threat. sensors to detect dispersent from missle would have been placed around city before launch. USA government isn't covering anything up in there own eye's as the Government of the USA still has the right to experiment on its own citizens without their knowledge or consent . Former astronaught Jonh Glenn turned congress member tried having the laws changed in 1997. But it's obvious that USA still lies to its citizens and the citizens beleive their lie's as a child would beleive their lying parents. WAKE UP AMERICA
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Hmmm......video is gone now. Wonder why. Just my two cents here. I used to live in So California, and see missiles being launched all the time. for various reasons. Could this be one of them? It's not uncommon to see them. With Three major military bases, JPL, and the works right there, it's a very common thing to see.
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why if 3 military bases in area does no one knows what it was. Your miltary must be a smart bunch then.
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a bit late wrote:why if 3 military bases in area does no one knows what it was. Your miltary must be a smart bunch then.
My military bases?
Don't forget JPL. (Jet Propulsion Laboratories) . They wouldn't lie now would they?
Fact is I used to see them shooting stuff off all the time in that area. And it was always headed west....sending up satellites most likely.
And this was last month.....I thought this happened today....doh Which makes the above claim even more strange....dispersed chemicals? Whaaaat????
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Furthermore, the USA is not the only government power lying to it's citizens. Not by a long shot. Have you taken a good look at the African governments lately? British governments? Australian governments? Russian governments? The list goes on.
Truth be told, they ALL lie to us, so it should be no surprise that it's just another lie. But to formulate a statement such as.....
It's a bit extreme......where do you get your information that you are so positive that this is the case? Who do you work for that you have such knowledge? Are you simply just another fear monger, who hates the USA and wishes to spread lies and propaganda without proof. Show me the proof that this it what YOU say it is.
Now we are all AWARE of the chemicals they spray in the chemtrails.....but you are saying they are directing bio warfare on us? After a month long wait, I don't see any deaths caused yet due to your claims. And it's been plenty of time to take effect. roughly a month has gone by now. Surly there must be some proof. And where did this bio chemical land? Have we proof of that yet? Interesting assessment.
I happen to be a US citizen who just like any other citizen of a country are fed up with the lies. However this kind of extreme talk full of prejudiced hate for the country I happen to have been born in, and happen to love is unnecessary. I certainly do not agree with the direction of my government. In fact I get damned disgusted with it. For that matter I see many other governments leaning in the same damn direction. The last thing I need to hear is hate speech about a country and it's people based on government propaganda, and conspiracy theory or speculation.
You site one law changed in 1997....I can site a whole plethora of laws that have changed our Constitution. And they are trampling all over it. Wake up America? As a group here, we have been opposed to the obscene changes for quite some time. for example the laws on GMO foods and the growing of our own food is in question. I think that would have seriously more effect then an outright attack as you suggest. Wake up you say? We've been fighting this government for quite some time. No doubts there. Are we the only ones fighting this type of change? I dare say not.
There is a "global" change happening here, and one that should be brought to justice. But to simply point the finger at our government? Look around the world. It's easy to point the finger at us because we do have such a great military presence. But never let yourself believe we are the only ones behind the curtain. Not by a long shot.
So a bit late, where do you get your extreme hatred? We are all aware of the lies fed to us..this is most surly another one.....but to spread such an idea, you must certainly have some proof that this is EXACTLY what you say it is. Lets hear your profound proof that this is the case. And it better be good. I don't want to hear a conspiracy theory..or speculation..but PROOF! Can you provide that? For a first post you certainly do seem sure of yourself. Welcome to the mists.
Truth be told, they ALL lie to us, so it should be no surprise that it's just another lie. But to formulate a statement such as.....
the missle was a test by the USA of a new missle designed to disperse a
bio or chemical weapon, and to see how the citizens would react to such
a threat. sensors to detect dispersent from missle would have been
placed around city before launch.
It's a bit extreme......where do you get your information that you are so positive that this is the case? Who do you work for that you have such knowledge? Are you simply just another fear monger, who hates the USA and wishes to spread lies and propaganda without proof. Show me the proof that this it what YOU say it is.
Now we are all AWARE of the chemicals they spray in the chemtrails.....but you are saying they are directing bio warfare on us? After a month long wait, I don't see any deaths caused yet due to your claims. And it's been plenty of time to take effect. roughly a month has gone by now. Surly there must be some proof. And where did this bio chemical land? Have we proof of that yet? Interesting assessment.
I happen to be a US citizen who just like any other citizen of a country are fed up with the lies. However this kind of extreme talk full of prejudiced hate for the country I happen to have been born in, and happen to love is unnecessary. I certainly do not agree with the direction of my government. In fact I get damned disgusted with it. For that matter I see many other governments leaning in the same damn direction. The last thing I need to hear is hate speech about a country and it's people based on government propaganda, and conspiracy theory or speculation.
You site one law changed in 1997....I can site a whole plethora of laws that have changed our Constitution. And they are trampling all over it. Wake up America? As a group here, we have been opposed to the obscene changes for quite some time. for example the laws on GMO foods and the growing of our own food is in question. I think that would have seriously more effect then an outright attack as you suggest. Wake up you say? We've been fighting this government for quite some time. No doubts there. Are we the only ones fighting this type of change? I dare say not.
There is a "global" change happening here, and one that should be brought to justice. But to simply point the finger at our government? Look around the world. It's easy to point the finger at us because we do have such a great military presence. But never let yourself believe we are the only ones behind the curtain. Not by a long shot.
So a bit late, where do you get your extreme hatred? We are all aware of the lies fed to us..this is most surly another one.....but to spread such an idea, you must certainly have some proof that this is EXACTLY what you say it is. Lets hear your profound proof that this is the case. And it better be good. I don't want to hear a conspiracy theory..or speculation..but PROOF! Can you provide that? For a first post you certainly do seem sure of yourself. Welcome to the mists.
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it would of been a simple flu virus, your government has done before to test weapons and its delivery systems. you have the internet you can check and while ya at it see if your government can experiment on you and the rest of the world at their will and the answer is yes and its obvious you condone this. SO What government agency do you lie for.
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Brook, clearly we've seen in the past few months a step up of the NWO on almost all fronts. I think China and Russia aren't buying into it and will stand outside of all this BS just by what they did by hanging onto their own currency and bypassing the dollar. I also accept others testimony that the missile launched was a of Chinese origin. It makes more sense given the timing of the event and where the prez was.
At this point, what matters to me on the personal front is fighting the NWO on the home front with TSA, S510 and a number of other fires that have been lit and in the process of being lit.
I still think it was a shot across the bow letting the prez know just how vulnerable the US is on one level - financial. The US still has a secret space fleet that could probably take out whatever they want so by now... missiles are more like tinker toys when lasers and disrupters are more likely the weapons of today.
a bit late, I did work for the Public Health Department in California for awhile and was one of those people who did succumb to an arial virus experiment in our state in the early 90s which I, and many have had to deal with health wise for years and years. I seriously doubt this particular launch is what you are suggesting as they (secret government) are far more covert when carrying out their various military biological experiments on the public. I too am curious as to where you got your information that led to your conclusion in the previous post.
There are several things that are clear. One the event did happen. Two, no one is fessing up as to "who" did this. Three, the military initially claimed they didn't know what happened - meaning who was responsible. Forth, everyone has their own opinion about this event and so far most of us are just speculating until the unknown facts are revealed..
At this point, what matters to me on the personal front is fighting the NWO on the home front with TSA, S510 and a number of other fires that have been lit and in the process of being lit.
I still think it was a shot across the bow letting the prez know just how vulnerable the US is on one level - financial. The US still has a secret space fleet that could probably take out whatever they want so by now... missiles are more like tinker toys when lasers and disrupters are more likely the weapons of today.
a bit late, I did work for the Public Health Department in California for awhile and was one of those people who did succumb to an arial virus experiment in our state in the early 90s which I, and many have had to deal with health wise for years and years. I seriously doubt this particular launch is what you are suggesting as they (secret government) are far more covert when carrying out their various military biological experiments on the public. I too am curious as to where you got your information that led to your conclusion in the previous post.
There are several things that are clear. One the event did happen. Two, no one is fessing up as to "who" did this. Three, the military initially claimed they didn't know what happened - meaning who was responsible. Forth, everyone has their own opinion about this event and so far most of us are just speculating until the unknown facts are revealed..
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a bit late wrote:it would of been a simple flu virus, your government has done before to test weapons and its delivery systems. you have the internet you can check and while ya at it see if your government can experiment on you and the rest of the world at their will and the answer is yes and its obvious you condone this. SO What government agency do you lie for.
As I recall I believe it was another country that was receiving a high death toll from the H1N1 vaccine when it was first released, then it started "around the world"........testing on the public. So we are the only ones that experiment on our citizens?
Would that be the simple flu virus that every country has been creating vaccines for? More speculation here? Yes I have internet....now how did you figure that one out? I don't work for any government agency.....I'm a simple citizen fed up with the BS.
Fed up with the BS of propaganda artists as well. Obviously you are a USA hater....from the middle east perhaps? Understandable. I also think 911 was an inside job. Does this make me government? Flip the coin and understand you are singing to the choir here. Or do you understand that term?
So when you get over your self indulgence...show me some FACTS and we can talk.
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Carol wrote:Brook, clearly we've seen in the past few months a step up of the NWO on almost all fronts. I think China and Russia aren't buying into it and will stand outside of all this BS just by what they did by hanging onto their own currency and bypassing the dollar. I also accept others testimony that the missile launched was a of Chinese origin. It makes more sense given the timing of the event and where the prez was.
At this point, what matters to me on the personal front is fighting the NWO on the home front with TSA, S510 and a number of other fires that have been lit and in the process of being lit.
I still think it was a shot across the bow letting the prez know just how vulnerable the US is on one level - financial. The US still has a secret space fleet that could probably take out whatever they want so by now... missiles are more like tinker toys when lasers and disrupters are more likely the weapons of today.
I agree that is a possibility. I disagree with our new member however, and call him or her on their suppositions.
I also agree, if they wanted to they could annihilate us in short order. No problem. That is why I so disagree with this theory that has just been proposed.
I agree, lasers are far more effective. And the s510 was what I was referring to in the above post.
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I suspect our new member is from down under around Instigator's neck of the woods. Anyway.. each has their own opinion on this and Mercuriel was sticking with it being a UFO transport which I just don't see. It's a mystery for most of us.
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I think the thing that fries me the most is someone that comes up with the phrase "wake up Amreica..." When the fact is the WORLD needs to wake up. The NWO is global, and if you were to destroy the USA right now....it would still exist. The USA is only a large spoke in the wheel. This is not a USA problem..it's a global problem
I'm getting so tired of hearing wake up America.....I would like to see the world wake up! Take a good look around.
I'm getting so tired of hearing wake up America.....I would like to see the world wake up! Take a good look around.
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Carol wrote:I suspect our new member is from down under around Instigator's neck of the woods. Anyway.. each has their own opinion on this and Mercuriel was sticking with it being a UFO transport which I just don't see. It's a mystery for most of us.
Personally I think it was a satellite with remote control devise and intelligence gathering capabilities. I believe it had to do with a deep underground test.
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I did work for the Public Health Department in California for awhile
and was one of those people who did succumb to an arial virus
experiment in our state in the early 90s which I, and many have had to
deal with health wise for years and years.
I recall them spraying for fruit flies at that time...is that what you're referring to? They carried a virus and were spraying some insecticide I think...I was living there at the time. People were extremely upset that they were spraying that stuff. It may not have been fruit flies..but I remember they were spraying for some type of insect.
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Muslim fruit flies i think it was
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a bit late wrote:Muslim fruit flies i think it was
most likely carried by Aussie tourists. Whatever the case. Where is your proof?
And I'll add which governments allowed the world wide H1N1 vaccines to be given world wide....I suppose that would be the USA right? I'm sure they were given in Australia. Are you telling me that the USA governs your neck of the woods?
http://www.asiaone.com/Health/News/Story/A1Story20090820-162219.html
While I'm at it.....read this
http://thepopulist.net/?p=6630
http://www.naturalnews.com/030657_vaccines_miscarriages.html
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so that means yes, you do condone experimentation on people of the world when ever your government choose's. and no i didnt have a H1N1 shot. because i didnt beleive in their lies, an guess what im not dead
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