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    Post  RedEzra Fri Dec 04, 2015 11:06 am

    Socialism is on the top aristocratic. And aristocrats have always ruled the nations.
    It is their birthright as the Bible say they descend from "mighty men who were of old, men of renown."
    - Genesis 6:4

    Blue bloods may trace their linage to a fallen angel and remember the chief fallen cherub got dominion from God over this whole fallen world.
    So it is impossible to stop what aristocrats will implement namley Nazi World Order.

    There are no Judeo-Christian culture in the NWO except in concentration camps !

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    Post  orthodoxymoron Fri Dec 04, 2015 1:24 pm

    RedEzra wrote:Socialism is on the top aristocratic. And aristocrats have always ruled the nations.
    It is their birthright as the Bible say they descend from "mighty men who were of old, men of renown."
    - Genesis 6:4

    Blue bloods may trace their linage to a fallen angel and remember the chief fallen cherub got dominion from God over this whole fallen world.
    So it is impossible to stop what aristocrats will implement namley Nazi World Order.

    There are no Judeo-Christian culture in the NWO except in concentration camps !
    Why would God give the Chief Fallen Cherub dominion over the whole fallen world?? Was this dominion stolen from Adam?? What about Jesus (in Matthew 28) saying that "All Power in Heaven and Earth has been given to ME"?? I would love to see a list of the Rulers of Earth -- from the Present -- going back Millions (or even Billions) of years (with complete descriptions of 1. How They Gained Dominion. 2. What They Did While They Had Dominion. 3. How They Lost Dominion. Paul says "The Powers That Be Are Ordained by God". Does this make God responsible for the actions of Evil-Rulers (from the Present -- going back Thousands of Years)?? Are the Nephilim really the Giants OR are they really Us?? The Torah describes extermination and conquest (without mercy). Was this a violation of the Ten-Commandments?? The "Ancient Egyptian Deity" I spoke-with talked a lot about Socialism and the NAZI's. They enjoyed studying WWII -- and suggested that I should study National-Socialism. Ultimately -- they told me "I'm sorry we couldn't work together. Too much water has gone under the bridge." That was three days prior to Fukushima. What about those Long-Haired Beautiful-Women associated with the NAZI Party and UFO's?? What about the VRIL Society?? What if they controlled Hitler and the NAZI's?? What about the Female-Illuminati?? What about the "Mighty Women who were of old, the Women of renown"?? OR were the Beautiful Daughters of Men the original Female-Illuminati?? Did they seduce the Sons of God?? Did the Sons of God RAPE the Daughters of Men?? Did the Sons and Daughters engage in Mutually-Consenting Sexual-Intercourse?? Were the offspring the Giants OR did the Giants ALREADY Exist?? Why did God allow all of this madness?? Why does God seemingly continue to allow all of this madness?? What is the role of Azazel regarding Guilt and Atonement?? What if England, the United States, Japan, Germany, at least one-faction of the Jews (fake and/or real), and Rome were in bed together (before, during, and after WWII)?? Once again, how do we REALLY Know ANYTHING with ANY Certainty regarding the Historical and the Otherworldly?? Acting, Game-Playing, and Deception seem to be the MO of this particular solar system. Why is that, exactly?? BTW -- who presently has dominion over Israel?? Who presently has dominion over the rest of the world?? Who presently has dominion over the rest of the solar system?? Who SHOULD have dominion over All of the Above?? What Would Jupiter Jones Say?? What Would Balem Abrasax Say?? What Would the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds Say?? What Would the NAZI's, Masons, and Jesuits Say?? What if the Apostle Paul's seemingly extreme views regarding women had something to do with some form of an Ancient Female Illuminati?? What if this might have something to do with why Sherry Shriner seems to hate the Apostle-Paul?? What Would Serqet Say?? What Would Job's Daughters Say?? What Would Vala and Adria Say?? What Would Diana and Anna Say?? What Would Rachel Constantine Say?? What Would Isis Say?? What Would Cleopatra Say?? Perhaps I should stop.


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    Post  RedEzra Fri Dec 04, 2015 6:45 pm

    The earth is fallen into entropi and so it is not eternal.

    What's wrong with a fallen angel governing a fallen world ?
    God is in absolute control and everything is made alright in Christ.

    Man must choose to follow the Good shepherd or fall with the world.




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    Post  RedEzra Sat Dec 05, 2015 11:37 am


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    How could Orwell envision this dystopia in 1948 ?
    Nazi ideology did not die with Nazi Germany !

    Socialism with ideas of strong central states
    guided by evolution and eugenics came out of London
    capital of the immense British Empire.
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Sat Dec 05, 2015 12:00 pm

    Properly defining "Fallen" and "Unfallen" would be an optimal place to begin. Contrasting "Absolute-Obedience" with "Responsible-Freedom" would be a logical follow-up. I continue to wonder what a seamless integration of Rome, London, the U.S., and the U.N. would look-like?! I've been told that this would be an "Unholy-Alliance". I am VERY Nervous about ALL Governments, Religions, Constitutions, and Holy-Books. The Beady-Eyed Attorneys, Bankers, Generals, Theologians, and Megalomaniacs-Anonymous would screw-up just about ANY Grand-Plan!! Sometimes I think Earth is "Pinky and the Brain's Reform-School for Completely Ignorant Fools"!! If the teachers are worse than the students -- we might have a significant problem!! BTW -- I'm NOT trying to screw Russia, China, India, South America, et al. I simply include the players who the conspiracy-theorists spend a lot of time ranting and raving about. The idea is to have everyone properly represented -- yet guided by strong, wise, non-corrupt leadership -- but perhaps this is an Impossible-Dream. Would an updated and refined British-Empire (for modeling-purposes) really be THAT Bad?? Please remember that I speak from ignorance and misery -- rather than being a mover and shaker. I keep trying to solve my personal religious and political problems -- but this seems to just make things worse and worse. I hate my life. I really do. I watched "End of the Tour" yesterday -- which reinforced the idea that those who deeply reflect upon life, the universe, and everything -- usually become deeply-depressed (and even suicidal). Ignorance probably really is Bliss. In a sense, education might be counterproductive. Deeply studying religion, theology, and philosophy -- often leads to a profound loss of faith, hope, and love.
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    Post  RedEzra Sat Dec 05, 2015 12:30 pm


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    "'It was the same as happened in the days of Lot:
    they were eating, they were drinking, they were buying,
    they were selling, they were planting, they were building;
    but on the day that Lot went out from Sodom
    it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all.

    It will be just the same on the day that the Son of Man is revealed.'"

    -Luke 17:28-30
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Sun Dec 06, 2015 1:28 pm

    RedEzra, you seem to be "Fire and Brimstone" Centered. You also seem to not wish to answer my many questions. Why is that?? On the other hand -- perhaps the fact that 95% of my internet-questions are never answered (or even acknowledged by anyone -- and not just you) forces me to "search-within" and "dig-deeper". I have NOT rejected Judeo-Christianity and/or Church-Attendance. I am merely conducting a Highly-Traumatic Theological-Experiment. I have been complimented regarding my theological-insights by an individual of interest -- but I frankly take this with a grain of salt. I feel highly hamstrung and incompetent -- and this is NOT a becoming-humility. I know that I don't know -- and this realization scares the hell out of me. I mostly mean-well -- but I think I've screwed-up BIG-TIME. I think I am SO SCREWED. I continue to wonder what a lifelong study of the following biblical study-list would yield (read straight-through -- over and over)??

    1. Job through Malachi (KJV and/or NKJV).
    2. Romans through Jude (KJV and/or NKJV).

    These two groupings seem to complement each other -- and they seem to be fundamentally-theological rather than primarily-historical in nature. I continue to be concerned that The Revelation of Jesus Christ seems to often have "Veto-Power" over the rest of the Bible. I continue to be somewhat concerned regarding the content and application of the following biblical study-list. I recommend reading the books in this list straight-through -- over and over. The historical, ethical, prophetic, and legal factors, implications, and ramifications are highly-troubling to me.

    1. Genesis through Esther (KJV and/or NKJV).
    2. Matthew through Acts (KJV and/or NKJV).
    3. The Revelation of Jesus Christ (KJV and/or NKJV).

    All of the above constitutes a Whole-Bible approach, which serious-students should seriously-consider. I continue to think that the "Alternative-Crowd" should read the Bible (regardless of whether they believe it, or not). Sometimes the objectivity of non-believers exceeds that of the true-believers. Unfortunately, most theological-debates seem to be somewhat-dishonest (on all-sides). People Wish to Win. We Want Our-Team to Win. We Often Lie to Win. We Often Do Just About Anything to Win.
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    Post  RedEzra Mon Dec 07, 2015 11:16 am

    God said there would be fire and brimstone at the end of the age before His return. And that generation which witnessed the return of Israel would not pass away before the Apocalypse of John. Based on Biblical markers in time I believe we are in the 70th and so last seven years spoken of by Daniel the prophet. And the "woman clothed with the sun and the moon under her feet" in Revelation 12 is also a mark in time that points to 23 September 2017.

    I don't have the time to debate this and that but I am compelled to tell and try to show you that the Bible is factual and true and hope that Christ our Creator would open your eyes to His truths which are preserved in His words and that you repent of your sins and do not offend God anymore because Jesus is about to judge the world and the souls therein.
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Mon Dec 07, 2015 4:22 pm

    Thank-you for your time and wisdom, RedEzra. I simply become weary of the hatred, venom, fire, and brimstone connected with religion and theology (past and present). I believe that the negativity and moral-ambiguity have been inflicted upon humanity by the Gods of Eden. Please read William Bramley's book The Gods of Eden. I continue to recommend reading Job through Malachi side-by-side with Romans through Jude in the King James Version of the Holy Bible for a significant and meaningful mental and spiritual exercise -- but I continue to think that directly applying Sacred-Scripture to Modernity is MOST Problematic. I also recommend reading Genesis through Esther -- Matthew through Acts -- and the Revelation of Jesus Christ to understand a very different approach to life, the universe, and everything (compared with the first study-list) -- which I frankly find MOST Discouraging and Depressing -- regardless of the validity or lack thereof. I think the Bible is mostly true -- but that it might contain significant portions of historical-fiction -- but I also think the Bible lacks context -- and that we know just a small portion of the "Real-Story". The sad-thing is that the nasty-portions of the Bible might accurately-reflect a highly-problematic theological-reality. We might really be dealing with a Great-Controversy Between God and Man in a Conflict of the Ages. I am both friend and foe of God and Man -- simply because I attempt to be HONEST -- and when things don't make sense I Wish to Know What the Hell is Going On. I Do NOT Wish to Cower in a Pew -- Kneeling Before an Angry and Jealous God. I Wish to Do Justly -- Love Mercy -- and  Walk Humbly with a God of Responsibility and Reason. I encounter such a God when I read Job through Malachi side-by-side with Romans through Jude -- and take long-walks in Nature (which I call "God's Other Book"). I Repent-Continually and Pray-Without-Ceasing -- but I Do NOT Endorse "Cheap-Grace".

    I am highly-disturbed by the misuse and abuse of "Here a Little -- There a Little" regarding Biblical-Theology. The Bible can be made to say just about anything. Just open your phone-book to the "Churches" section!! The "End of the World" wouldn't surprise me one little bit -- regardless of who inflicts the extermination. God might do it. Satan might do it. Aliens might do it. We might do it. I'm frankly surprised we're still here. According to the New-Testament the End of the World was supposed to occur in the First or Second Century A.D. What the Hell Happened?? I grew-up listening to hundreds of sermons claiming that "The End is Near" -- but we're still here!! In a sense, Biblical-Eschatology is a Form of Terrorism. I've been attempting to construct a Law and Order Based Investigative and Executive Judgment terminating in or around 2133 A.D. which does NOT involve Fire and Brimstone. I have NO Problem placing the Chronic-Problematic Souls on a Safe and Sane Prison-Planet for Restitution and Reformation Purposes. Perhaps Earth is just such a planet. What if God placed literally billions of rebellious-souls in this solar-system a very-long time ago -- as an alternative to exterminating the ungodly?? What if God has paid a VERY High-Price for manifesting more Mercy than Justice?? What if the future of Earth will contain Very Little Mercy?? What if the Universe has lost their patience with this Human-Experiment?? What if God's Mercy is in the process of being Overruled?? I don't think we have any idea of what's REALLY transpiring in Galactic-Courtrooms. No Idea At All. "The Judgment Was Set and the Books Were Opened". Focus Upon the "Perfect Law of the Lord" and "Divine Jurisprudence". One last time PLEASE Read Job through Malachi side-by-side with Romans through Jude in the KJV -- straight-through -- over and over -- without talking or writing about it -- for a significant time-period PRIOR to engaging in Revelation-Based Eschatological-Terrorism. The End.


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    Post  RedEzra Thu Dec 10, 2015 11:53 am

    Detailed description of a submarine-launched ballistic missile as reported by the prophet Zechariah over 2000 years ago






    Prophecy from a 90 year old norwegian woman in 1968 about nuclear war




    Former elite insider George Green confirms plan for nuclear war




    Another nuclear prophecy from Henry "Prayer Walker" Gruver

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    Post  RedEzra Thu Dec 10, 2015 2:27 pm

    So we know or ought to know that a nuclear war is coming but when will it be ?



    "'Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot:
    They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built;

    but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom
    it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all.

    Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.'"


    - Luke 17:28-30 -



    "For when they say, 'Peace and safety!' then sudden destruction comes upon them,
    as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape."


    - 1 Thessalonians 5:3 -



    "Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun,
    with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars.

    Then being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth."


    - Revelation 12:1-2 -



    "She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron.
    And her Child was caught up to God and His throne."


    - Revelation 12:5 -




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    The sudden destruction by fire and brimstone read nuclear war seems to be around the time or right after the great sign in heaven in Revelation 12 of a pregnant Virgo laboring with Jupiter which will be delivered on the Feast of Trumpets 2017. Also there is a total solar eclipse over USA on 21 August 2017 and according to the movie Oblivion the last Super Bowl was played in 2017.


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    Post  orthodoxymoron Thu Dec 10, 2015 2:37 pm

    I wish to make it clear that I am NOT a mindless-scoffer regarding End of the World scenarios (biblical and otherwise) -- but I think it is VERY Difficult to build a Bright New Beautiful Tomorrow on Plans We Make Today when we continue to be bombarded with all of the nasty prophecies and threats (secular and sacred). Once again, I think it's VERY Interesting to compare the following study-groupings:

    1. Genesis through Esther -- Matthew through Acts -- and The Revelation of Jesus Christ (KJV).
       Patriarchs and Prophets -- and The Great Controversy (Ellen G. White).

    2. Job through Malachi -- and Romans through Jude (KJV).
       Prophets and Kings -- and The Desire of Ages (Ellen G. White).

    Theses are two VERY Different approaches to God, the Bible, Theology, and Prophecy. Religion and Theology seems to be built upon Shifting-Sand. Every book says something different. Every religion says something different. Every church says something different. Every preacher says something different. Everyone believes something different. Religion and Theology seems to reside on Slippery-Slopes. I suspect all of this is by design. In the original Stargate movie -- RA says "I built your civilization -- and now I will destroy it". I don't doubt that the capability exists (for all major factions) to exterminate ALL Life in This Solar System. I am NOT Smug (in any way, shape, or form). I simply utilize an irreverent and spontaneous approach, to get at the truth -- or at least to hint-at the truth. Speaking of which -- I don't think many of us in this solar system know the Real-Truth concerning Life, the Universe, and Everything. I know I don't. I think the Movers and Shakers at (or near) the Top of the Pyramid (of all nations, races, and religions) know exactly what's going-on in this solar system (and I don't think it's a nice-story). I also think that it's expedient that We the Peons NOT KNOW (especially Completely Ignorant Fools such as myself). I think I might have some sort of a significant history in this solar system (and possibly beyond) but I'm in NO Hurry to learn the truth, the whole-truth, and nothing but the truth. It might drive me completely and irreversibly insane -- and I'm NOT kidding.

    Last Friday, I drove my car approximately 30 miles to a UPS location, to get a package. My car had been working fine, up to that point. But after I obtained my package, and talked to an "agent kind of guy" parked next to me in a big-truck -- my car was hard-starting -- and ran very rough for a few miles -- but it cleared-up -- and I got home -- only to find that the car wouldn't restart. When I finally got it going, it ran fine -- but it wouldn't restart. I had my laptop-computer with me (which always works fine) -- but the battery wouldn't recharge (until I rebooted the computer). This happened on the same day. What are the odds?? Then, on Sunday, I was talking to a Roman Catholic about pipe-organs, cathedrals, The Agony and the Ecstasy, and Archbishop Fulton Sheen (without arguing -- and in a very-positive manner) when a somewhat strange stranger walked-up and said to the other-person "You don't believe what he's saying, do you??" Then they muttered something about it "Raining for forty-days and forty-nights." On Monday, Sherry Shriner talked about it "Raining for forty-days and forty-nights." What are the odds?? These are stupid longshot stories -- but I include them, just in case they might provide a puzzle-piece for someone.
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    Post  shiloh Fri Dec 11, 2015 3:03 am

    RedEzra wrote:
    So we know or ought to know that a nuclear war is coming but when will it be ?



    "'Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot:
    They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built;

    but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom
    it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all.

    Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.'"


    - Luke 17:28-30 -



    "For when they say, 'Peace and safety!' then sudden destruction comes upon them,
    as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape."



    -1 Thessalonians 5:3 -



    "Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun,
    with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars.

    Then being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth."


    - Revelation 12:1-2 -



    "She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron.
    And her Child was caught up to God and His throne."


    - Revelation 12:5 -




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    The sudden destruction by fire and brimstone read nuclear war seems to be around the time or right after the great sign in heaven in Revelation 12 of a pregnant Virgo laboring with Jupiter which will be delivered on the Feast of Trumpets 2017. Also there is a total solar eclipse over USA on 21 August 2017 and according to the movie Oblivion the last Super Bowl was played in 2017.

    Have you ever wondered as to how a BABY Jesus can be born in heaven from an ASCENDED GROWN SON OF MAN, sitting at the right side of the father until the earth is made his footstool?
    Is the left side of the 'father' occupied by a transcended Mary M in Christ Jesus representing the 'mother symbol' in the solar transit from Cancer into Leo and mirrored in the 'Father' as the 'Mother' in the Lord Jesus Christ on the right side of the mirror?

    Have you ever considered, that the 'birth in heaven' in Revelation.12 indicates the second 3½ year period and the continuation of the 42 months of the 'beast' from the first 3½ year period described in Revelation.11?
    Can you then adjust the conventional descriptor of the 70 weeks of Daniel both as a 'long time of years' and a 'shortened time of days' as per the Sermon of the Mount?
    What if the 'war in heaven' was fought in a 'bridging time' as part of the 70 weeks in a shortened time?

    Well then your 2017 marker might have more significance, if related to a 7 year period in a 70 year 'captivity' for political Israel from November 29th, 1947 to May 14th, 1948 to November 2017 and May 2018 with another 40+3 year timeframe from 1975-2015-2018 in a reckoning pf prophecy more aligned to actual 'groupmind' planetary physical upheavals and patterns but nor precluding celestial phenomena like tetrad blood moons and planetary patterns in the celestial dynamics.
    So many questions and so many interpretations and translations, yet what is truth?


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    Post  RedEzra Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:35 am

    shiloh wrote:Have you ever wondered as to how a BABY Jesus can be born in heaven from an ASCENDED GROWN SON OF MAN, sitting at the right side of the father until the earth is made his footstool?

    Yes Jesus is a grown Man sitting at the right side of the Father and so it is not Jesus who is born in Revelation 12 but perhaps the 144 000 who are sealed by God at the Feast of Trumpets 2017 before nuclear conflagration. Those holy ones may have the Spirit and power of Jesus Christ.


    shiloh wrote:Have you ever considered, that the 'birth in heaven' in Revelation.12 indicates the second 3½ year period and the continuation of the 42 months of the 'beast' from the first 3½ year period described in Revelation.11?

    Yes it is indicated in Revelation 12 that the Feast of Trumpets 2017 is the start of the second 3½ year period in where the Beast reigns persecuting God's people and enforcing the Mark of the Beast some kind of chip implant on the survivors who want to buy and sell goods. I don't know how long the chip technology have come but I think if connected to the brain one is reduced to a drone. Taking this chip will condemn us to hell and so it is not recommended. Better get right with God today and pray Jesus to forgive our sins.


    shiloh wrote:Can you then adjust the conventional descriptor of the 70 weeks of Daniel both as a 'long time of years' and a 'shortened time of days' as per the Sermon of the Mount?

    God indicated back in Joshua 3 that Israel would follow the Ark of the Covenant into the Promised Land after about 2000 years. And this is a type that the tribes of Israel would wait about 2000 years after Jesus resurrected into Paradise and Jesus told them in Luke 21 that "Jerusalem would be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles were fulfilled." On 7 June 1967 the Jews restored control over the Old city of Jerusalem and Daniel's 70 weeks prophecy began counting down again "seven weeks" until the 69th week expired on 23 September 2015 Day of Atonement. So the "shortened time of days" may hint to that Daniel's last week seven years would be shortened and so the "middle of the week" will begin on 23 September 2017 ?
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    Post  shiloh Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:26 am

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    shiloh wrote:Have you ever wondered as to how a BABY Jesus can be born in heaven from an ASCENDED GROWN SON OF MAN, sitting at the right side of the father until the earth is made his footstool?

    Yes Jesus is a grown Man sitting at the right side of the Father and so it is not Jesus who is born in Revelation 12 but perhaps the 144 000 who are sealed by God at the Feast of Trumpets 2017 before nuclear conflagration. Those holy ones may have the Spirit and power of Jesus Christ.


    shiloh wrote:Have you ever considered, that the 'birth in heaven' in Revelation.12 indicates the second 3½ year period and the continuation of the 42 months of the 'beast' from the first 3½ year period described in Revelation.11?

    Yes it is indicated in Revelation 12 that the Feast of Trumpets 2017 is the start of the second 3½ year period in where the Beast reigns persecuting God's people and enforcing the Mark of the Beast some kind of chip implant on the survivors who want to buy and sell goods. I don't know how long the chip technology have come but I think if connected to the brain one is reduced to a drone. Taking this chip will condemn us to hell and so it is not recommended. Better get right with God today and pray Jesus to forgive our sins.


    shiloh wrote:Can you then adjust the conventional descriptor of the 70 weeks of Daniel both as a 'long time of years' and a 'shortened time of days' as per the Sermon of the Mount?

    God indicated back in Joshua 3 that Israel would follow the Ark of the Covenant into the Promised Land after about 2000 years. And this is a type that the tribes of Israel would wait about 2000 years after Jesus resurrected into Paradise and Jesus told them in Luke 21 that "Jerusalem would be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles were fulfilled." On 7 June 1967 the Jews restored control over the Old city of Jerusalem and Daniel's 70 weeks prophecy began counting down again "seven weeks" until the 69th week expired on 23 September 2015 Day of Atonement. So the "shortened time of days" may hint to that Daniel's last week seven years would be shortened and so the "middle of the week" will begin on 23 September 2017 ?

    Not much to argue with you here. I see you can relate Jeremiah and Daniel to political Israel. Just remember that the 144,000 are also 'As One 'Sealed New Song' and relate to the 10,000x10,000 and the 'doubling' as the 200 million in Rev.5.11; 9.16; 18.6 and Dan.7.10 and this code from the GOT as 1(2),000 with 7,200,000,000/144,000 = 50,000. This is the entire planetary populus as one starhuman race by the way and relates to the Inner Court/Outer Court = 12,000/1600 = 7.5 = 300,000 km/s/40,000 km = speed of the light/ perimeter of the earth in codes Rev.14.20 and Rev.21.16 and as a 'Logos vibration' relating to planetary sciences.


    (23) Jesus said, "I shall choose you, one out of a thousand, and two out of ten thousand, and they shall stand as a single one."  -Lambdin
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    Post  RedEzra Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:59 am

    Very good Shiloh and the idea that the virgin birth in Revelation 12 depicts the 144 000 sealed by God come from Benjamin Baruch of the tribe of Benjamin author of "The Day of the Lord is at Hand". Here is an interesting and informative interview with Baruch whom God audibly speaks to.



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    Post  shiloh Fri Dec 11, 2015 11:12 am

    RedEzra wrote:Very good Shiloh and the idea that the virgin birth in Revelation 12 depicts the 144 000 sealed by God come from Benjamin Baruch of the tribe of Benjamin author of "The Day of the Lord is at Hand". Here is an interesting and informative interview with Baruch whom God audibly speaks to.




    The Virgin-Virgo is an appropriate symbol and the rest is encapsulated in 1 Corinthians.13

    1 Corinthians 13:8-10 - King James Version (KJV)

    8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

    9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

    10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Fri Dec 11, 2015 8:20 pm

    shiloh wrote:
    orthodoxymoron wrote:
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    Thank-you Shiloh. I wonder what would've happened if the New Testament had been a Gentile-Commentary and Universal-Application of at least Job through Daniel -- with Job being sort of a New Testament "Genesis" and Daniel being sort of a New Testament "Revelation"?? The Bible is really "chopped-up". It lacks evolutionary-continuity and convincing-context. Do you see what I mean?? All is not well. If I had the education, intellect, time, and energy to produce a Job through Daniel Commentary -- I'd do it -- but I don't think I'm capable of doing anything even close to THAT!! I have a Remnant Study Bible -- which is NKJV with scholarly-introductions to each book -- and which includes Ellen White quotes throughout. I object to what they did with the insertion of the EGW material directly into the text of the Bible -- but it does make my particular flavor of research somewhat easier!! My tentative-plan is to read Job through Daniel in this particular Bible -- straight-through -- over and over -- reading all of the introductions and EGW quotes. Then, in a few years, if we're still here, I might try to write something relative to this particular study. I have too much on my plate -- and I am much too frazzled to do much of anything worthwhile -- so don't expect anything of significance from me (at least for the remainder of this incarnation). I am SO Screwed. You have NO Idea. It SUCKS to be ME. I HATE My Life. Note: I joke about that "Jupiter Jones Thing" but it's just more Pseudo Science-Fiction on my part!! Don't get your panties in a bunch!!

    You want appropriate advice for your dilemmas, oxy? Don't try so hard to bring all your sources together. Most are quacks and biased in one way or another. Your Sherry Shriner and your Tee Tree Girls are super crackpots and rather deluded in all things of actual scriptural research. You know the SDA's; they are simply one of many Christian sects and like ANY form of organized political religion should be avoided like the pestilence. If you desire peace of mind, study actual biblical sources from the historians and don't read the 'explanations'; of something like the 'Jesus Seminar' they have actually sold out the true Christianity, trying to become 'rational' and 'demystified'. They have sold out and are no longer 'Christians' despite proclaiming to be so. Rejecting the physical resurrection labels you as an antichrist remember?

    Keep with the New Testament and the prophetic books in the Old Testament. Forget the Pentateuch except Genesis. The other 4 books are juxtapositions and have little value to connect to the rest of the bible. From Assyria and Babylon, say 750BC the bible is historically valuable, all so called dates from earlier times are retelling and often totally inverted stories from particular root memories, like the exodus and Moses. There was no Moses. Moses is a pharaonic name part, such as in Ahmose, Tuthmosis and Rameses. There was an exodus in the 18th Egyptian dynasty, when Ahmose expelled the Hyksos as the 'shepherd kings' of Josephus and such. The Hyksos are the stories of Jacob and Joseph in Genesis and so have value as an overall context of the Hyksos as the 'invaders from the north' in the actual Egyptian history. The Hyksos ruled and fought the Egyptians for so 100 years from 1550-1450 BC approximately. So the 'enslavement' was the other way around, the Egyptians under the Hyksos until the 18th dynasty real historical exodus, which was a retake of the lower delta by the Egyptians.

    This is all there is to the Pentateuch with the Moses honorific becoming 'stolen' as the 'praiseworthy' title of the Islamic prophet Muhammad then becoming assimilated with Jesus. Around 550-800 AD the old Byzantine Christendom fell to the Arabs and both the orthodox Christians and the heretic 'gnostic' sects came under the control of the Arabs and it was then the Arabs decided to assimilate the Christian prophet with their Jewish prophet Moses in the Muhammad with the aim to create a political-clerical structure under Arab administration. It was only then the Qur'an and the muslim label appeared in the secular histories of the world. This is all historically verifiable, but you must engage in real research and not give weight to the blabberings of Sherry Shriner and company and including nabs morons like Frank O'Collins, Bonacci, the Camelot interviewees and the rest of the 'Christ deniers', apologizers and company. I have given details as to this many times and in many places. Read the psalms and proverbs and the Song of Solomon to get an idea of the 'true god', who is not Jehovah of the OT, but is Abba of the NT. Jesus never called the 'Father' Jehovah but Abba.

    If you want a glimpse of the 'New World' read Isaiah again and again. It is not historical but timeless. It was Jesus' favourite remembrance book. Understanding it, he could remember his origin and destiny and prepare the Old World for the New World and the redemption of Jehovah (and Allah the old Arabian moon God Al ilah by default - see my pdf). If you want to know your job in this life read the oldest book in the bible - Job. You are Job and are 'called out' by the true God to answer certain questions. Questions like; Where were you when I created the universe and Can you tame the Unicorn and many such questions!? Once you can answer in the affirmative, you will receive particular keys to open the gates of the secrets and the codes. I answered those questions on the forums, search for 'Job for every Man' or similar, if you wish to dig a little deeper. Then once you have found some 'inner peace' and have thrown away the memplexed devils and demons riding on your back in the form of this baggage of false information you have gathered over the years; then read the Gospel of Thomas in conjunction to a 'Red Letter NT' preferably King James, as the newer revisions are badly 'modernised' and have changed words and sentences in contexts.

    If you want to rediscover the real Jesus, study John's Gospel. It is personal and not historically oriented like the synoptic ones of Mark, Luke and Matthew. Don't be deceived by he critics of the Gospel of Thomas (GOT). They cant understand it for a very important purpose. It is the key to the New World, but only a key of the mind can open its seals. Make of this what you will. The GOT is NOT gnostic, but does relate to Hebrews in particular and Paul's other letters in general. Paul is 'hated' by so many, because his words are a continuity of the true Jesus expanding from the OT into the whole world (of gentiles, that is not racial Jews). The GOT is in no way 'buddhistic' or such claptrap the 'experts' call it in their ignorance. It is actually related to modern science and quantum mechanics and ET science. So should you become familiar with it, many other 'mysteries' and riddles regarding the ETs and the 'ptb' might become clearer to you. It is up to you to consider my advice. I will not address you personally as in this message again. But your 'cry for assistance' under your choices has been answered by Thuban this time.

    Shaloma!
    Thank-you Shiloh. I've read your response repeatedly -- and I will continue to re-read it. The whole religion and politics thing can probably be quite simple and peaceful OR it can be incredibly complex and violent. A Real-God probably requires some sort of absolute-obedience. a False-God probably requires some sort of absolute-obedience. If one is absolutely-obedient to a Good-God, this is probably a good-thing. If one is absolutely-obedient to a Bad-God, this is probably a bad-thing. I think it might be possible to overthrow a Good-God -- and replace them with a Bad-God -- possibly without anyone noticing (as strange as THAT sounds). I think it might be possible to overthrow a Bad-God -- and replace them with a Good-God -- possibly without anyone noticing (as strange as THAT sounds). I keep thinking that Earth and Humanity (in their present-predicament) are a corrupted-version of an idealistic-plan. I think it might be extremely-important to NOT throw out the baby with the bullshit. Unfortunately, I think I might be on the brink of a catastrophic-meltdown -- so I think I need to think about something else -- and stop thinking about this stuff completely -- possibly for a very long time. There might really be no happy-ending to this present-madness. There are several problems regarding the use of the Bible.

    1. It was written a very long time ago. We use science textbooks written presently. We don't use science textbooks written 2,000 to 3,000 years ago.

    2. A lot of the Bible involves a lot of blood, guts, guilt, hatred, fear, and general nastiness. This may involve honest reporting of past problems -- but when applied to the general-public in modernity, this tends to perpetuate a lot of blood, guts, guilt, hatred, fear, and general nastiness.

    3. Verification of historical-details and otherworldly-claims are nearly-impossible. Scholarly study of this sort of thing is one thing -- but when applied to the general-public in modernity, this tends to create false-hopes, false-fears, blood, guts, guilt, hatred, fear, and general nastiness.

    4. The message of the Bible is not consistent from Genesis through Revelation. One is confronted with the good, bad, and the ugly regarding Humanity and Divinity. Mixed messages and horrific imagery confuse and confound even the most brilliant students.

    5. People tend to polarize into believers and unbelievers -- with the almost inevitable hate-filled debates. Just look at recent discussions on this supposedly "awake and aware" website.

    6. There can be literally thousands of different doctrinal-frameworks constructed -- depending upon thousands of factors of time, place, personality, bias, economics, politics, etc. The resulting confusion seems to involve a lot of blood, guts, guilt, hatred, fear, and general nastiness. "Here a little- There a little" seems to be misused and abused regarding biblical interpretation and application. Reading whole books of the Bible -- straight-through -- over and over -- seems to be a more honest and reliable (though seldom-used) methodology.

    7. People will believe and do just about anything to "Go to Heaven" and avoid "Going to Hell". The greed and fear involved in this is truly sickening and disillusioning. A reasonable system of rewards and punishments is one thing -- but are the usual teachings regarding Heaven and Hell really reasonable and rational??

    I continue to wonder what the Message of Job through Daniel really is?? Obviously, even this portion of the Bible is impossible to prove regarding it's claims -- but how does this portion of the Bible compare with the rest of the Bible?? Once again, I think I'm on the brink of something very bad personally -- in connection with all of the above, and more. I think I need to stop thinking about everything I've thought about while posting on this website.


    In thee, O LORD, do I put my trust ; let me never be ashamed : deliver me in thy righteousness. Bow down thine ear to me; deliver me speedily: be thou my strong rock, for an house of defence to save me. For thou art my rock and my fortress; therefore for thy name's sake lead me, and guide me. Pull me out of the net that they have laid privily for me: for thou art my strength. Into thine hand I commit my spirit: thou hast redeemed me, O LORD God of truth. I have hated them that regard lying vanities: but I trust in the LORD. I will be glad and rejoice in thy mercy: for thou hast considered my trouble; thou hast known my soul in adversities; And hast not shut me up into the hand of the enemy : thou hast set my feet in a large room. Have mercy upon me, O LORD, for I am in trouble : mine eye is consumed with grief, yea, my soul and my belly. For my life is spent with grief, and my years with sighing: my strength faileth because of mine iniquity, and my bones are consumed. I was a reproach among all mine enemies , but especially among my neighbours, and a fear to mine acquaintance : they that did see me without fled from me. I am forgotten as a dead man out of mind: I am like a broken vessel. For I have heard the slander of many: fear was on every side: while they took counsel together against me, they devised to take away my life. But I trusted in thee, O LORD: I said , Thou art my God. My times are in thy hand: deliver me from the hand of mine enemies , and from them that persecute me. Make thy face to shine upon thy servant: save me for thy mercies' sake. Let me not be ashamed , O LORD; for I have called upon thee: let the wicked be ashamed , and let them be silent in the grave. Let the lying lips be put to silence ; which speak grievous things proudly and contemptuously against the righteous. Oh how great is thy goodness, which thou hast laid up for them that fear thee; which thou hast wrought for them that trust in thee before the sons of men! Thou shalt hide them in the secret of thy presence from the pride of man: thou shalt keep them secretly in a pavilion from the strife of tongues. Blessed be the LORD: for he hath shewed me his marvellous kindness in a strong city. For I said in my haste , I am cut off from before thine eyes: nevertheless thou heardest the voice of my supplications when I cried unto thee. O love the LORD, all ye his saints: for the LORD preserveth the faithful , and plentifully rewardeth the proud doer. Be of good courage , and he shall strengthen your heart, all ye that hope in the LORD.

    Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven , whose sin is covered. Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile. When I kept silence , my bones waxed old through my roaring all the day long. For day and night thy hand was heavy upon me: my moisture is turned into the drought of summer. I acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid . I said , I will confess my transgressions unto the LORD; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah. For this shall every one that is godly pray unto thee in a time when thou mayest be found : surely in the floods of great waters they shall not come nigh unto him. Thou art my hiding place; thou shalt preserve me from trouble; thou shalt compass me about with songs of deliverance. Selah. I will instruct thee and teach thee in the way which thou shalt go : I will guide thee with mine eye. Be ye not as the horse, or as the mule, which have no understanding : whose mouth must be held in with bit and bridle, lest they come near unto thee. Many sorrows shall be to the wicked: but he that trusteth in the LORD, mercy shall compass him about. Be glad in the LORD, and rejoice , ye righteous: and shout for joy, all ye that are upright in heart.

    Rejoice in the LORD, O ye righteous: for praise is comely for the upright. Praise the LORD with harp: sing unto him with the psaltery and an instrument of ten strings. Sing unto him a new song; play skilfully with a loud noise. For the word of the LORD is right; and all his works are done in truth. He loveth righteousness and judgment: the earth is full of the goodness of the LORD. By the word of the LORD were the heavens made ; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses. Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him. For he spake , and it was done; he commanded , and it stood fast. The LORD bringeth the counsel of the heathen to nought : he maketh the devices of the people of none effect. The counsel of the LORD standeth for ever, the thoughts of his heart to all generations. Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD; and the people whom he hath chosen for his own inheritance. The LORD looketh from heaven; he beholdeth all the sons of men. From the place of his habitation he looketh upon all the inhabitants of the earth. He fashioneth their hearts alike; he considereth all their works. There is no king saved by the multitude of an host: a mighty man is not delivered by much strength. An horse is a vain thing for safety: neither shall he deliver any by his great strength. Behold, the eye of the LORD is upon them that fear him, upon them that hope in his mercy; To deliver their soul from death, and to keep them alive in famine. Our soul waiteth for the LORD: he is our help and our shield. For our heart shall rejoice in him, because we have trusted in his holy name. Let thy mercy, O LORD, be upon us, according as we hope in thee.

    I will bless the LORD at all times: his praise shall continually be in my mouth. My soul shall make her boast in the LORD: the humble shall hear thereof, and be glad. O magnify the LORD with me, and let us exalt his name together. I sought the LORD, and he heard me, and delivered me from all my fears. They looked unto him, and were lightened : and their faces were not ashamed. This poor man cried , and the LORD heard him, and saved him out of all his troubles. The angel of the LORD encampeth round about them that fear him, and delivereth them. O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him. O fear the LORD, ye his saints: for there is no want to them that fear him. The young lions do lack , and suffer hunger : but they that seek the LORD shall not want any good thing. Come, ye children, hearken unto me: I will teach you the fear of the LORD. What man is he that desireth life, and loveth many days, that he may see good? Keep thy tongue from evil, and thy lips from speaking guile. Depart from evil, and do good; seek peace, and pursue it. The eyes of the LORD are upon the righteous, and his ears are open unto their cry. The face of the LORD is against them that do evil, to cut off the remembrance of them from the earth. The righteous cry , and the LORD heareth, and delivereth them out of all their troubles. The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit. Many are the afflictions of the righteous: but the LORD delivereth him out of them all. He keepeth all his bones: not one of them is broken. Evil shall slay the wicked: and they that hate the righteous shall be desolate. The LORD redeemeth the soul of his servants: and none of them that trust in him shall be desolate.

    Plead my cause, O LORD, with them that strive with me: fight against them that fight against me. Take hold of shield and buckler, and stand up for mine help. Draw out also the spear, and stop the way against them that persecute me: say unto my soul, I am thy salvation. Let them be confounded and put to shame that seek after my soul: let them be turned back and brought to confusion that devise my hurt. Let them be as chaff before the wind: and let the angel of the LORD chase them. Let their way be dark and slippery: and let the angel of the LORD persecute them. For without cause have they hid for me their net in a pit, which without cause they have digged for my soul. Let destruction come upon him at unawares ; and let his net that he hath hid catch himself: into that very destruction let him fall. And my soul shall be joyful in the LORD: it shall rejoice in his salvation. All my bones shall say, LORD, who is like unto thee, which deliverest the poor from him that is too strong for him, yea, the poor and the needy from him that spoileth him? False witnesses did rise up ; they laid to my charge things that I knew not. They rewarded me evil for good to the spoiling of my soul. But as for me, when they were sick , my clothing was sackcloth: I humbled my soul with fasting; and my prayer returned into mine own bosom. I behaved myself as though he had been my friend or brother: I bowed down heavily , as one that mourneth for his mother. But in mine adversity they rejoiced , and gathered themselves together : yea, the abjects gathered themselves together against me, and I knew it not; they did tear me, and ceased not: With hypocritical mockers in feasts, they gnashed upon me with their teeth. Lord, how long wilt thou look on? rescue my soul from their destructions, my darling from the lions. I will give thee thanks in the great congregation: I will praise thee among much people. Let not them that are mine enemies wrongfully rejoice over me: neither let them wink with the eye that hate me without a cause. For they speak not peace: but they devise deceitful matters against them that are quiet in the land. Yea, they opened their mouth wide against me, and said , Aha, aha, our eye hath seen it. This thou hast seen , O LORD: keep not silence : O Lord, be not far from me. Stir up thyself, and awake to my judgment, even unto my cause, my God and my Lord. Judge me, O LORD my God, according to thy righteousness; and let them not rejoice over me. Let them not say in their hearts, Ah, so would we have it: let them not say, We have swallowed him up. Let them be ashamed and brought to confusion together that rejoice at mine hurt: let them be clothed with shame and dishonour that magnify themselves against me. Let them shout for joy , and be glad , that favour my righteous cause: yea, let them say continually, Let the LORD be magnified , which hath pleasure in the prosperity of his servant. And my tongue shall speak of thy righteousness and of thy praise all the day long.

    The transgression of the wicked saith within my heart, that there is no fear of God before his eyes. For he flattereth himself in his own eyes, until his iniquity be found to be hateful. The words of his mouth are iniquity and deceit: he hath left off to be wise , and to do good. He deviseth mischief upon his bed; he setteth himself in a way that is not good; he abhorreth not evil. Thy mercy, O LORD, is in the heavens; and thy faithfulness reacheth unto the clouds. Thy righteousness is like the great mountains; thy judgments are a great deep: O LORD, thou preservest man and beast. How excellent is thy lovingkindness, O God! therefore the children of men put their trust under the shadow of thy wings. They shall be abundantly satisfied with the fatness of thy house; and thou shalt make them drink of the river of thy pleasures. For with thee is the fountain of life: in thy light shall we see light. O continue thy lovingkindness unto them that know thee; and thy righteousness to the upright in heart. Let not the foot of pride come against me, and let not the hand of the wicked remove me. There are the workers of iniquity fallen: they are cast down , and shall not be able to rise .

    Fret not thyself because of evildoers , neither be thou envious against the workers of iniquity. For they shall soon be cut down like the grass, and wither as the green herb. Trust in the LORD, and do good; so shalt thou dwell in the land, and verily thou shalt be fed. Delight thyself also in the LORD; and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart. Commit thy way unto the LORD; trust also in him; and he shall bring it to pass. And he shall bring forth thy righteousness as the light, and thy judgment as the noonday. Rest in the LORD, and wait patiently for him: fret not thyself because of him who prospereth in his way, because of the man who bringeth wicked devices to pass. Cease from anger, and forsake wrath: fret not thyself in any wise to do evil. For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth. For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be. But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace. The wicked plotteth against the just, and gnasheth upon him with his teeth. The Lord shall laugh at him: for he seeth that his day is coming. The wicked have drawn out the sword, and have bent their bow, to cast down the poor and needy, and to slay such as be of upright conversation. Their sword shall enter into their own heart, and their bows shall be broken. A little that a righteous man hath is better than the riches of many wicked. For the arms of the wicked shall be broken : but the LORD upholdeth the righteous. The LORD knoweth the days of the upright: and their inheritance shall be for ever. They shall not be ashamed in the evil time: and in the days of famine they shall be satisfied. But the wicked shall perish , and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume ; into smoke shall they consume away. The wicked borroweth , and payeth not again : but the righteous sheweth mercy , and giveth. For such as be blessed of him shall inherit the earth; and they that be cursed of him shall be cut off. The steps of a good man are ordered by the LORD: and he delighteth in his way. Though he fall , he shall not be utterly cast down : for the LORD upholdeth him with his hand. I have been young, and now am old ; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken , nor his seed begging bread. He is ever merciful , and lendeth ; and his seed is blessed. Depart from evil, and do good; and dwell for evermore. For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off. The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever. The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment. The law of his God is in his heart; none of his steps shall slide. The wicked watcheth the righteous, and seeketh to slay him. The LORD will not leave him in his hand, nor condemn him when he is judged. Wait on the LORD, and keep his way, and he shall exalt thee to inherit the land: when the wicked are cut off , thou shalt see it. I have seen the wicked in great power, and spreading himself like a green bay tree. Yet he passed away , and, lo, he was not: yea, I sought him, but he could not be found. Mark the perfect man, and behold the upright: for the end of that man is peace. But the transgressors shall be destroyed together: the end of the wicked shall be cut off. But the salvation of the righteous is of the LORD: he is their strength in the time of trouble. And the LORD shall help them, and deliver them: he shall deliver them from the wicked, and save them, because they trust in him.

    O LORD, rebuke me not in thy wrath: neither chasten me in thy hot displeasure. For thine arrows stick fast in me, and thy hand presseth me sore. There is no soundness in my flesh because of thine anger; neither is there any rest in my bones because of my sin. For mine iniquities are gone over mine head: as an heavy burden they are too heavy for me. My wounds stink and are corrupt because of my foolishness. I am troubled ; I am bowed down greatly; I go mourning all the day long. For my loins are filled with a loathsome disease: and there is no soundness in my flesh. I am feeble and sore broken : I have roared by reason of the disquietness of my heart. Lord, all my desire is before thee; and my groaning is not hid from thee. My heart panteth , my strength faileth me: as for the light of mine eyes, it also is gone from me. My lovers and my friends stand aloof from my sore; and my kinsmen stand afar off. They also that seek after my life lay snares for me: and they that seek my hurt speak mischievous things, and imagine deceits all the day long. But I, as a deaf man, heard not; and I was as a dumb man that openeth not his mouth. Thus I was as a man that heareth not, and in whose mouth are no reproofs. For in thee, O LORD, do I hope : thou wilt hear , O Lord my God. For I said , Hear me, lest otherwise they should rejoice over me: when my foot slippeth , they magnify themselves against me. For I am ready to halt, and my sorrow is continually before me. For I will declare mine iniquity; I will be sorry for my sin. But mine enemies are lively, and they are strong : and they that hate me wrongfully are multiplied. They also that render evil for good are mine adversaries ; because I follow the thing that good is. Forsake me not, O LORD: O my God, be not far from me. Make haste to help me, O Lord my salvation.

    I said , I will take heed to my ways, that I sin not with my tongue: I will keep my mouth with a bridle, while the wicked is before me. I was dumb with silence, I held my peace , even from good; and my sorrow was stirred. My heart was hot within me, while I was musing the fire burned : then spake I with my tongue, LORD, make me to know mine end, and the measure of my days, what it is; that I may know how frail I am. Behold, thou hast made my days as an handbreadth; and mine age is as nothing before thee: verily every man at his best state is altogether vanity. Surely every man walketh in a vain shew: surely they are disquieted in vain: he heapeth up riches, and knoweth not who shall gather them. And now, Lord, what wait I for? my hope is in thee. Deliver me from all my transgressions: make me not the reproach of the foolish. I was dumb , I opened not my mouth; because thou didst it. Remove thy stroke away from me: I am consumed by the blow of thine hand. When thou with rebukes dost correct man for iniquity, thou makest his beauty to consume away like a moth: surely every man is vanity. Hear my prayer, O LORD, and give ear unto my cry; hold not thy peace at my tears: for I am a stranger with thee, and a sojourner, as all my fathers were. O spare me, that I may recover strength , before I go hence , and be no more.

    I waited patiently for the LORD; and he inclined unto me, and heard my cry. He brought me up also out of an horrible pit, out of the miry clay, and set my feet upon a rock, and established my goings. And he hath put a new song in my mouth, even praise unto our God: many shall see it, and fear , and shall trust in the LORD. Blessed is that man that maketh the LORD his trust, and respecteth not the proud, nor such as turn aside to lies. Many, O LORD my God, are thy wonderful works which thou hast done , and thy thoughts which are to us-ward: they cannot be reckoned up in order unto thee: if I would declare and speak of them, they are more than can be numbered. Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire ; mine ears hast thou opened : burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required. Then said I, Lo, I come : in the volume of the book it is written of me, I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart. I have preached righteousness in the great congregation: lo, I have not refrained my lips, O LORD, thou knowest. I have not hid thy righteousness within my heart; I have declared thy faithfulness and thy salvation: I have not concealed thy lovingkindness and thy truth from the great congregation. Withhold not thou thy tender mercies from me, O LORD: let thy lovingkindness and thy truth continually preserve me. For innumerable evils have compassed me about: mine iniquities have taken hold upon me, so that I am not able to look up ; they are more than the hairs of mine head: therefore my heart faileth me. Be pleased , O LORD, to deliver me: O LORD, make haste to help me. Let them be ashamed and confounded together that seek after my soul to destroy it; let them be driven backward and put to shame that wish me evil. Let them be desolate for a reward of their shame that say unto me, Aha, aha. Let all those that seek thee rejoice and be glad in thee: let such as love thy salvation say continually, The LORD be magnified. But I am poor and needy; yet the Lord thinketh upon me: thou art my help and my deliverer ; make no tarrying , O my God.

    Blessed is he that considereth the poor: the LORD will deliver him in time of trouble. The LORD will preserve him, and keep him alive ; and he shall be blessed upon the earth: and thou wilt not deliver him unto the will of his enemies. The LORD will strengthen him upon the bed of languishing: thou wilt make all his bed in his sickness. I said , LORD, be merciful unto me: heal my soul; for I have sinned against thee. Mine enemies speak evil of me, When shall he die , and his name perish? And if he come to see me, he speaketh vanity: his heart gathereth iniquity to itself; when he goeth abroad, he telleth it. All that hate me whisper together against me: against me do they devise my hurt. An evil disease, say they, cleaveth fast unto him: and now that he lieth he shall rise up no more. Yea, mine own familiar friend, in whom I trusted , which did eat of my bread, hath lifted up his heel against me. But thou, O LORD, be merciful unto me, and raise me up , that I may requite them. By this I know that thou favourest me, because mine enemy doth not triumph over me. And as for me, thou upholdest me in mine integrity, and settest me before thy face for ever. Blessed be the LORD God of Israel from everlasting, and to everlasting. Amen, and Amen.

    As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God. My soul thirsteth for God, for the living God: when shall I come and appear before God? My tears have been my meat day and night, while they continually say unto me, Where is thy God? When I remember these things, I pour out my soul in me: for I had gone with the multitude, I went with them to the house of God, with the voice of joy and praise, with a multitude that kept holyday. Why art thou cast down , O my soul? and why art thou disquieted in me? hope thou in God: for I shall yet praise him for the help of his countenance. O my God, my soul is cast down within me: therefore will I remember thee from the land of Jordan, and of the Hermonites, from the hill Mizar. Deep calleth unto deep at the noise of thy waterspouts: all thy waves and thy billows are gone over me. Yet the LORD will command his lovingkindness in the daytime, and in the night his song shall be with me, and my prayer unto the God of my life. I will say unto God my rock, Why hast thou forgotten me? why go I mourning because of the oppression of the enemy? As with a sword in my bones, mine enemies reproach me; while they say daily unto me, Where is thy God? Why art thou cast down , O my soul? and why art thou disquieted within me? hope thou in God: for I shall yet praise him, who is the health of my countenance, and my God.

    Judge me, O God, and plead my cause against an ungodly nation: O deliver me from the deceitful and unjust man. For thou art the God of my strength: why dost thou cast me off ? why go I mourning because of the oppression of the enemy? O send out thy light and thy truth: let them lead me; let them bring me unto thy holy hill, and to thy tabernacles. Then will I go unto the altar of God, unto God my exceeding joy: yea, upon the harp will I praise thee, O God my God. Why art thou cast down , O my soul? and why art thou disquieted within me? hope in God: for I shall yet praise him, who is the health of my countenance, and my God.

    We have heard with our ears, O God, our fathers have told us, what work thou didst in their days, in the times of old. How thou didst drive out the heathen with thy hand, and plantedst them; how thou didst afflict the people, and cast them out. For they got not the land in possession by their own sword, neither did their own arm save them: but thy right hand, and thine arm, and the light of thy countenance, because thou hadst a favour unto them. Thou art my King, O God: command deliverances for Jacob. Through thee will we push down our enemies: through thy name will we tread them under that rise up against us. For I will not trust in my bow, neither shall my sword save me. But thou hast saved us from our enemies, and hast put them to shame that hated us. In God we boast all the day long, and praise thy name for ever. But thou hast cast off , and put us to shame ; and goest not forth with our armies. Thou makest us to turn back from the enemy: and they which hate us spoil for themselves. Thou hast given us like sheep appointed for meat; and hast scattered us among the heathen. Thou sellest thy people for nought, and dost not increase thy wealth by their price. Thou makest us a reproach to our neighbours, a scorn and a derision to them that are round about us. Thou makest us a byword among the heathen, a shaking of the head among the people. My confusion is continually before me, and the shame of my face hath covered me, For the voice of him that reproacheth and blasphemeth ; by reason of the enemy and avenger. All this is come upon us; yet have we not forgotten thee, neither have we dealt falsely in thy covenant. Our heart is not turned back, neither have our steps declined from thy way; Though thou hast sore broken us in the place of dragons, and covered us with the shadow of death. If we have forgotten the name of our God, or stretched out our hands to a strange god; Shall not God search this out ? for he knoweth the secrets of the heart. Yea, for thy sake are we killed all the day long; we are counted as sheep for the slaughter. Awake , why sleepest thou, O Lord? arise , cast us not off for ever. Wherefore hidest thou thy face, and forgettest our affliction and our oppression? For our soul is bowed down to the dust: our belly cleaveth unto the earth. Arise for our help, and redeem us for thy mercies' sake.

    My heart is inditing a good matter: I speak of the things which I have made touching the king: my tongue is the pen of a ready writer. Thou art fairer than the children of men: grace is poured into thy lips: therefore God hath blessed thee for ever. Gird thy sword upon thy thigh, O most mighty, with thy glory and thy majesty. And in thy majesty ride prosperously because of truth and meekness and righteousness; and thy right hand shall teach thee terrible things. Thine arrows are sharp in the heart of the king's enemies ; whereby the people fall under thee. Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. All thy garments smell of myrrh, and aloes, and cassia, out of the ivory palaces, whereby they have made thee glad. Kings' daughters were among thy honourable women: upon thy right hand did stand the queen in gold of Ophir. Hearken , O daughter, and consider , and incline thine ear; forget also thine own people, and thy father's house; So shall the king greatly desire thy beauty: for he is thy Lord; and worship thou him. And the daughter of Tyre shall be there with a gift; even the rich among the people shall intreat thy favour. The king's daughter is all glorious within: her clothing is of wrought gold. She shall be brought unto the king in raiment of needlework: the virgins her companions that follow her shall be brought unto thee. With gladness and rejoicing shall they be brought : they shall enter into the king's palace. Instead of thy fathers shall be thy children, whom thou mayest make princes in all the earth. I will make thy name to be remembered in all generations: therefore shall the people praise thee for ever and ever.

    God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble. Therefore will not we fear , though the earth be removed , and though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea; Though the waters thereof roar and be troubled , though the mountains shake with the swelling thereof. There is a river, the streams whereof shall make glad the city of God, the holy place of the tabernacles of the most High. God is in the midst of her; she shall not be moved : God shall help her, and that right early. The heathen raged , the kingdoms were moved : he uttered his voice, the earth melted. The LORD of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our refuge. Come , behold the works of the LORD, what desolations he hath made in the earth. He maketh wars to cease unto the end of the earth; he breaketh the bow, and cutteth the spear in sunder ; he burneth the chariot in the fire. Be still , and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth. The LORD of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our refuge.

    O clap your hands, all ye people; shout unto God with the voice of triumph. For the LORD most high is terrible ; he is a great King over all the earth. He shall subdue the people under us, and the nations under our feet. He shall choose our inheritance for us, the excellency of Jacob whom he loved. God is gone up with a shout, the LORD with the sound of a trumpet. Sing praises to God, sing praises : sing praises unto our King, sing praises. For God is the King of all the earth: sing ye praises with understanding. God reigneth over the heathen: God sitteth upon the throne of his holiness. The princes of the people are gathered together , even the people of the God of Abraham: for the shields of the earth belong unto God: he is greatly exalted .

    Great is the LORD, and greatly to be praised in the city of our God, in the mountain of his holiness. Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King. God is known in her palaces for a refuge. For, lo, the kings were assembled , they passed by together. They saw it, and so they marvelled ; they were troubled , and hasted away. Fear took hold upon them there, and pain, as of a woman in travail. Thou breakest the ships of Tarshish with an east wind. As we have heard , so have we seen in the city of the LORD of hosts, in the city of our God: God will establish it for ever. We have thought of thy lovingkindness, O God, in the midst of thy temple. According to thy name, O God, so is thy praise unto the ends of the earth: thy right hand is full of righteousness. Let mount Zion rejoice , let the daughters of Judah be glad , because of thy judgments. Walk about Zion, and go round about her: tell the towers thereof. Mark ye well her bulwarks, consider her palaces; that ye may tell it to the generation following. For this God is our God for ever and ever: he will be our guide even unto death.

    Hear this, all ye people; give ear , all ye inhabitants of the world: Both low and high , rich and poor, together. My mouth shall speak of wisdom; and the meditation of my heart shall be of understanding. I will incline mine ear to a parable: I will open my dark saying upon the harp. Wherefore should I fear in the days of evil, when the iniquity of my heels shall compass me about? They that trust in their wealth, and boast themselves in the multitude of their riches; None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him: (For the redemption of their soul is precious , and it ceaseth for ever:) That he should still live for ever, and not see corruption. For he seeth that wise men die , likewise the fool and the brutish person perish , and leave their wealth to others. Their inward thought is, that their houses shall continue for ever, and their dwelling places to all generations; they call their lands after their own names. Nevertheless man being in honour abideth not: he is like the beasts that perish. This their way is their folly: yet their posterity approve their sayings. Like sheep they are laid in the grave; death shall feed on them; and the upright shall have dominion over them in the morning; and their beauty shall consume in the grave from their dwelling. But God will redeem my soul from the power of the grave: for he shall receive me. Be not thou afraid when one is made rich , when the glory of his house is increased; For when he dieth he shall carry nothing away : his glory shall not descend after him. Though while he lived he blessed his soul: and men will praise thee, when thou doest well to thyself. He shall go to the generation of his fathers; they shall never see light. Man that is in honour, and understandeth not, is like the beasts that perish .

    The mighty God, even the LORD, hath spoken , and called the earth from the rising of the sun unto the going down thereof. Out of Zion, the perfection of beauty, God hath shined. Our God shall come , and shall not keep silence : a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him. He shall call to the heavens from above, and to the earth, that he may judge his people. Gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice. 6 And the heavens shall declare his righteousness: for God is judge himself. Hear , O my people, and I will speak ; O Israel, and I will testify against thee: I am God, even thy God. 8 I will not reprove thee for thy sacrifices or thy burnt offerings, to have been continually before me. 9 I will take no bullock out of thy house, nor he goats out of thy folds. 10 For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills. 11 I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field are mine. 12 If I were hungry , I would not tell thee: for the world is mine, and the fulness thereof. 13 Will I eat the flesh of bulls, or drink the blood of goats? 14 Offer unto God thanksgiving; and pay thy vows unto the most High: 15 And call upon me in the day of trouble: I will deliver thee, and thou shalt glorify me. 16 But unto the wicked God saith , What hast thou to do to declare my statutes, or that thou shouldest take my covenant in thy mouth? 17 Seeing thou hatest instruction, and castest my words behind thee. 18 When thou sawest a thief, then thou consentedst with him, and hast been partaker with adulterers . 19 Thou givest thy mouth to evil, and thy tongue frameth deceit. 20 Thou sittest and speakest against thy brother; thou slanderest thine own mother's son. 21 These things hast thou done , and I kept silence ; thou thoughtest that I was altogether such an one as thyself: but I will reprove thee, and set them in order before thine eyes. 22 Now consider this, ye that forget God, lest I tear you in pieces , and there be none to deliver . 23 Whoso offereth praise glorifieth me: and to him that ordereth his conversation aright will I shew the salvation of God.

    Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions. 2 Wash me throughly from mine iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin. 3 For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me. 4 Against thee, thee only, have I sinned , and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest , and be clear when thou judgest . 5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me. 6 Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom. 7 Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean : wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow. 8 Make me to hear joy and gladness; that the bones which thou hast broken may rejoice . 9 Hide thy face from my sins, and blot out all mine iniquities. 10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me. 11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me. 12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit. 13 Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee. 14 Deliver me from bloodguiltiness, O God, thou God of my salvation: and my tongue shall sing aloud of thy righteousness. 15 O Lord, open thou my lips; and my mouth shall shew forth thy praise. 16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering. 17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise . 18 Do good in thy good pleasure unto Zion: build thou the walls of Jerusalem. 19 Then shalt thou be pleased with the sacrifices of righteousness, with burnt offering and whole burnt offering: then shall they offer bullocks upon thine altar.

    Why boastest thou thyself in mischief, O mighty man? the goodness of God endureth continually. 2 Thy tongue deviseth mischiefs; like a sharp razor, working deceitfully. 3 Thou lovest evil more than good; and lying rather than to speak righteousness. Selah. 4 Thou lovest all devouring words, O thou deceitful tongue. 5 God shall likewise destroy thee for ever, he shall take thee away , and pluck thee out of thy dwelling place, and root thee out of the land of the living. Selah. 6 The righteous also shall see , and fear , and shall laugh at him: 7 Lo, this is the man that made not God his strength; but trusted in the abundance of his riches, and strengthened himself in his wickedness. 8 But I am like a green olive tree in the house of God: I trust in the mercy of God for ever and ever. 9 I will praise thee for ever, because thou hast done it: and I will wait on thy name; for it is good before thy saints.

    The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good. 2 God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand , that did seek God. 3 Every one of them is gone back : they are altogether become filthy ; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. 4 Have the workers of iniquity no knowledge ? who eat up my people as they eat bread: they have not called upon God. 5 There were they in great fear , where no fear was: for God hath scattered the bones of him that encampeth against thee: thou hast put them to shame , because God hath despised them. 6 Oh that the salvation of Israel were come out of Zion! When God bringeth back the captivity of his people, Jacob shall rejoice , and Israel shall be glad .

    Save me, O God, by thy name, and judge me by thy strength. 2 Hear my prayer, O God; give ear to the words of my mouth. 3 For strangers are risen up against me, and oppressors seek after my soul: they have not set God before them. Selah. 4 Behold, God is mine helper : the Lord is with them that uphold my soul. 5 He shall reward evil unto mine enemies : cut them off in thy truth. 6 I will freely sacrifice unto thee: I will praise thy name, O LORD; for it is good. 7 For he hath delivered me out of all trouble: and mine eye hath seen his desire upon mine enemies .

    Give ear to my prayer, O God; and hide not thyself from my supplication. 2 Attend unto me, and hear me: I mourn in my complaint, and make a noise ; 3 Because of the voice of the enemy , because of the oppression of the wicked: for they cast iniquity upon me, and in wrath they hate me. 4 My heart is sore pained within me: and the terrors of death are fallen upon me. 5 Fearfulness and trembling are come upon me, and horror hath overwhelmed me. 6 And I said , Oh that I had wings like a dove! for then would I fly away , and be at rest . 7 Lo, then would I wander far off , and remain in the wilderness. Selah. 8 I would hasten my escape from the windy storm and tempest. 9 Destroy , O Lord, and divide their tongues: for I have seen violence and strife in the city. 10 Day and night they go about it upon the walls thereof: mischief also and sorrow are in the midst of it. 11 Wickedness is in the midst thereof: deceit and guile depart not from her streets. 12 For it was not an enemy that reproached me; then I could have borne it: neither was it he that hated me that did magnify himself against me; then I would have hid myself from him: 13 But it was thou, a man mine equal, my guide, and mine acquaintance . 14 We took sweet counsel together, and walked unto the house of God in company. 15 Let death seize upon them, and let them go down quick into hell: for wickedness is in their dwellings, and among them. 16 As for me, I will call upon God; and the LORD shall save me. 17 Evening, and morning, and at noon, will I pray , and cry aloud : and he shall hear my voice. 18 He hath delivered my soul in peace from the battle that was against me: for there were many with me. 19 God shall hear , and afflict them, even he that abideth of old. Selah. Because they have no changes, therefore they fear not God. 20 He hath put forth his hands against such as be at peace with him: he hath broken his covenant. 21 The words of his mouth were smoother than butter, but war was in his heart: his words were softer than oil, yet were they drawn swords. 22 Cast thy burden upon the LORD, and he shall sustain thee: he shall never suffer the righteous to be moved . 23 But thou, O God, shalt bring them down into the pit of destruction: bloody and deceitful men shall not live out half their days; but I will trust in thee.

    Be merciful unto me, O God: for man would swallow me up ; he fighting daily oppresseth me. 2 Mine enemies would daily swallow me up: for they be many that fight against me, O thou most High. 3 What time I am afraid , I will trust in thee. 4 In God I will praise his word, in God I have put my trust ; I will not fear what flesh can do unto me. 5 Every day they wrest my words: all their thoughts are against me for evil. 6 They gather themselves together , they hide themselves, they mark my steps, when they wait for my soul. 7 Shall they escape by iniquity? in thine anger cast down the people, O God. 8 Thou tellest my wanderings: put thou my tears into thy bottle: are they not in thy book? 9 When I cry unto thee, then shall mine enemies turn back: this I know ; for God is for me. 10 In God will I praise his word: in the LORD will I praise his word. 11 In God have I put my trust : I will not be afraid what man can do unto me. 12 Thy vows are upon me, O God: I will render praises unto thee. 13 For thou hast delivered my soul from death: wilt not thou deliver my feet from falling, that I may walk before God in the light of the living?

    Be merciful unto me, O God, be merciful unto me: for my soul trusteth in thee: yea, in the shadow of thy wings will I make my refuge , until these calamities be overpast . 2 I will cry unto God most high; unto God that performeth all things for me. 3 He shall send from heaven, and save me from the reproach of him that would swallow me up . Selah. God shall send forth his mercy and his truth. 4 My soul is among lions: and I lie even among them that are set on fire , even the sons of men, whose teeth are spears and arrows, and their tongue a sharp sword. 5 Be thou exalted , O God, above the heavens; let thy glory be above all the earth. 6 They have prepared a net for my steps; my soul is bowed down : they have digged a pit before me, into the midst whereof they are fallen themselves. Selah. 7 My heart is fixed , O God, my heart is fixed : I will sing and give praise . 8 Awake up , my glory; awake , psaltery and harp: I myself will awake early. 9 I will praise thee, O Lord, among the people: I will sing unto thee among the nations. 10 For thy mercy is great unto the heavens, and thy truth unto the clouds. 11 Be thou exalted , O God, above the heavens: let thy glory be above all the earth.

    Do ye indeed speak righteousness, O congregation? do ye judge uprightly, O ye sons of men? 2 Yea, in heart ye work wickedness; ye weigh the violence of your hands in the earth. 3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies. 4 Their poison is like the poison of a serpent: they are like the deaf adder that stoppeth her ear; 5 Which will not hearken to the voice of charmers , charming never so wisely . 6 Break their teeth, O God, in their mouth: break out the great teeth of the young lions, O LORD. 7 Let them melt away as waters which run continually : when he bendeth his bow to shoot his arrows, let them be as cut in pieces . 8 As a snail which melteth, let every one of them pass away : like the untimely birth of a woman, that they may not see the sun. 9 Before your pots can feel the thorns, he shall take them away as with a whirlwind , both living, and in his wrath. 10 The righteous shall rejoice when he seeth the vengeance: he shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked. 11 So that a man shall say , Verily there is a reward for the righteous: verily he is a God that judgeth in the earth.

    Deliver me from mine enemies , O my God: defend me from them that rise up against me. 2 Deliver me from the workers of iniquity, and save me from bloody men. 3 For, lo, they lie in wait for my soul: the mighty are gathered against me; not for my transgression, nor for my sin, O LORD. 4 They run and prepare themselves without my fault: awake to help me, and behold . 5 Thou therefore, O LORD God of hosts, the God of Israel, awake to visit all the heathen: be not merciful to any wicked transgressors . Selah. 6 They return at evening: they make a noise like a dog, and go round about the city. 7 Behold, they belch out with their mouth: swords are in their lips: for who, say they, doth hear ? 8 But thou, O LORD, shalt laugh at them; thou shalt have all the heathen in derision . 9 Because of his strength will I wait upon thee: for God is my defence. 10 The God of my mercy shall prevent me: God shall let me see my desire upon mine enemies . 11 Slay them not, lest my people forget : scatter them by thy power; and bring them down , O Lord our shield. 12 For the sin of their mouth and the words of their lips let them even be taken in their pride: and for cursing and lying which they speak . 13 Consume them in wrath, consume them, that they may not be: and let them know that God ruleth in Jacob unto the ends of the earth. Selah. 14 And at evening let them return ; and let them make a noise like a dog, and go round about the city. 15 Let them wander up and down for meat , and grudge if they be not satisfied . 16 But I will sing of thy power; yea, I will sing aloud of thy mercy in the morning: for thou hast been my defence and refuge in the day of my trouble. 17 Unto thee, O my strength, will I sing : for God is my defence, and the God of my mercy.

    O God, thou hast cast us off , thou hast scattered us, thou hast been displeased ; O turn thyself to us again . 2 Thou hast made the earth to tremble ; thou hast broken it: heal the breaches thereof; for it shaketh . 3 Thou hast shewed thy people hard things: thou hast made us to drink the wine of astonishment. 4 Thou hast given a banner to them that fear thee, that it may be displayed because of the truth. Selah. 5 That thy beloved may be delivered ; save with thy right hand, and hear me. 6 God hath spoken in his holiness; I will rejoice , I will divide Shechem, and mete out the valley of Succoth. 7 Gilead is mine, and Manasseh is mine; Ephraim also is the strength of mine head; Judah is my lawgiver ; 8 Moab is my washpot ; over Edom will I cast out my shoe: Philistia, triumph thou because of me. 9 Who will bring me into the strong city? who will lead me into Edom? 10 Wilt not thou, O God, which hadst cast us off ? and thou, O God, which didst not go out with our armies? 11 Give us help from trouble: for vain is the help of man. 12 Through God we shall do valiantly: for he it is that shall tread down our enemies.


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    Thank-you Shiloh. I wonder what would've happened if the New Testament had been a Gentile-Commentary and Universal-Application of at least Job through Daniel -- with Job being sort of a New Testament "Genesis" and Daniel being sort of a New Testament "Revelation"?? The Bible is really "chopped-up". It lacks evolutionary-continuity and convincing-context. Do you see what I mean?? All is not well. If I had the education, intellect, time, and energy to produce a Job through Daniel Commentary -- I'd do it -- but I don't think I'm capable of doing anything even close to THAT!! I have a Remnant Study Bible -- which is NKJV with scholarly-introductions to each book -- and which includes Ellen White quotes throughout. I object to what they did with the insertion of the EGW material directly into the text of the Bible -- but it does make my particular flavor of research somewhat easier!! My tentative-plan is to read Job through Daniel in this particular Bible -- straight-through -- over and over -- reading all of the introductions and EGW quotes. Then, in a few years, if we're still here, I might try to write something relative to this particular study. I have too much on my plate -- and I am much too frazzled to do much of anything worthwhile -- so don't expect anything of significance from me (at least for the remainder of this incarnation). I am SO Screwed. You have NO Idea. It SUCKS to be ME. I HATE My Life. Note: I joke about that "Jupiter Jones Thing" but it's just more Pseudo Science-Fiction on my part!! Don't get your panties in a bunch!!

    You want appropriate advice for your dilemmas, oxy? Don't try so hard to bring all your sources together. Most are quacks and biased in one way or another. Your Sherry Shriner and your Tee Tree Girls are super crackpots and rather deluded in all things of actual scriptural research. You know the SDA's;  they are simply one of many Christian sects and like ANY form of organized political religion should be avoided like the pestilence. If you desire peace of mind, study actual biblical sources from the historians and don't read the 'explanations'; of something like the 'Jesus Seminar' they have actually sold out the true Christianity, trying to become 'rational' and 'demystified'. They have sold out and are no longer 'Christians' despite proclaiming to be so. Rejecting the physical resurrection labels you as an antichrist remember?

    Keep with the New Testament and the prophetic books in the Old Testament. Forget the Pentateuch except Genesis. The other 4 books are juxtapositions and have little value to connect to the rest of the bible. From Assyria and Babylon, say 750BC  the bible is historically valuable, all so called dates from earlier times are retelling and often totally inverted stories from particular root memories, like the exodus and Moses. There was no Moses. Moses is a pharaonic name part, such as in Ahmose, Tuthmosis and Rameses. There was an exodus in the 18th Egyptian dynasty, when Ahmose expelled the Hyksos as the 'shepherd kings' of Josephus and such. The Hyksos are the stories of Jacob and Joseph in Genesis and so have value as an overall context of the Hyksos as the 'invaders from the north' in the actual Egyptian history. The Hyksos ruled and fought the Egyptians for so 100 years from 1550-1450 BC approximately. So the 'enslavement' was the other way around, the Egyptians under the Hyksos until the 18th dynasty real historical exodus, which was a retake of the lower delta by the Egyptians.

    This is all there is to the Pentateuch with the Moses honorific becoming 'stolen' as the 'praiseworthy' title of the Islamic prophet Muhammad then becoming assimilated with Jesus. Around 550-800 AD the old Byzantine Christendom fell to the Arabs and both the orthodox Christians and the heretic 'gnostic' sects came under the control of the Arabs and it was then the Arabs decided to assimilate the Christian prophet with their Jewish prophet Moses in the Muhammad with the aim to create a political-clerical structure under Arab administration. It was only then the Qur'an and the muslim label appeared in the secular histories of the world. This is all historically verifiable, but you must engage in real research and not give weight to the blabberings of Sherry Shriner and company and including nabs morons like Frank O'Collins, Bonacci, the Camelot interviewees and the rest of the 'Christ deniers', apologizers and company. I have given details as to this many times and in many places. Read the psalms and proverbs and the Song of Solomon to get an idea of the 'true god', who is not Jehovah of the OT, but is Abba of the NT. Jesus never called the 'Father' Jehovah but Abba.

    If you want a glimpse of the 'New World' read Isaiah again and again. It is not historical but timeless. It was Jesus' favourite remembrance book. Understanding it, he could remember his origin and destiny and prepare the Old World for the New World and the redemption of Jehovah (and Allah the old Arabian moon God Al ilah by default - see my pdf). If you want to know your job in this life read the oldest book in the bible - Job. You are Job and are 'called out' by the true God to answer certain questions. Questions like; Where were you when I created the universe and  Can you tame the Unicorn and many such questions!? Once you can answer in the affirmative, you will receive particular keys to open the gates of the secrets and the codes. I answered those questions on the forums, search for 'Job for every Man' or similar, if you wish to dig a little deeper. Then once you have found some 'inner peace' and have thrown away the memplexed devils and demons riding on your back in the form of this baggage of false information you have gathered over the years; then read the Gospel of Thomas in conjunction to a 'Red Letter NT' preferably King James, as the newer revisions are badly 'modernised' and have changed words and sentences in contexts.

    If you want to rediscover the real Jesus, study John's Gospel. It is personal and not historically oriented like the synoptic ones of Mark, Luke and Matthew. Don't be deceived by he critics of the Gospel of Thomas (GOT). They cant understand it for a very important purpose. It is the key to the New World, but only a key of the mind can open its seals. Make of this what you will. The GOT is NOT gnostic, but does relate to Hebrews in particular and Paul's other letters in general. Paul is 'hated' by so many, because his words are a continuity of the true Jesus expanding from the OT into the whole world (of gentiles, that is not racial Jews). The GOT is in no way 'buddhistic' or such claptrap the 'experts' call it in their ignorance. It is actually related to modern science and quantum mechanics and ET science. So should you become familiar with it, many other 'mysteries' and riddles regarding the ETs and the 'ptb' might become clearer to you. It is up to you to consider my advice. I will not address you personally as in this message again. But your 'cry for assistance' under your choices has been answered by Thuban this time.

    Shaloma!
    Thank-you Shiloh. I've read your response repeatedly -- and I will continue to re-read it. The whole religion and politics thing can probably be quite simple and peaceful OR it can be incredibly complex and violent. A Real-God probably requires some sort of absolute-obedience. a False-God probably requires some sort of absolute-obedience. If one is absolutely-obedient to a Good-God, this is probably a good-thing. If one is absolutely-obedient to a Bad-God, this is probably a bad-thing. I think it might be possible to overthrow a Good-God -- and replace them with a Bad-God -- possibly without anyone noticing (as strange as THAT sounds). I think it might be possible to overthrow a Bad-God -- and replace them with a Good-God -- possibly without anyone noticing (as strange as THAT sounds). I keep thinking that Earth and Humanity (in their present-predicament) are a corrupted-version of an idealistic-plan. I think it might be extremely-important to NOT throw out the baby with the bullshit. Unfortunately, I think I might be on the brink of a catastrophic-meltdown -- so I think I need to think about something else -- and stop thinking about this stuff completely -- possibly for a very long time. There might really be no happy-ending to this present-madness. There are several problems regarding the use of the Bible.

    1. It was written a very long time ago. We use science textbooks written presently. We don't use science textbooks written 2,000 to 3,000 years ago.

    2. A lot of the Bible involves a lot of blood, guts, guilt, hatred, fear, and general nastiness. This may involve honest reporting of past problems -- but when applied to the general-public in modernity, this tends to perpetuate a lot of blood, guts, guilt, hatred, fear, and general nastiness.

    3. Verification of historical-details and otherworldly-claims are nearly-impossible. Scholarly study of this sort of thing is one thing -- but when applied to the general-public in modernity, this tends to create false-hopes, false-fears, blood, guts, guilt, hatred, fear, and general nastiness.

    4. The message of the Bible is not consistent from Genesis through Revelation. One is confronted with the good, bad, and the ugly regarding Humanity and Divinity. Mixed messages and horrific imagery confuse and confound even the most brilliant students.

    5. People tend to polarize into believers and unbelievers -- with the almost inevitable hate-filled debates. Just look at recent discussions on this supposedly "awake and aware" website.

    6. There can be literally thousands of different doctrinal-frameworks constructed -- depending upon thousands of factors of time, place, personality, bias, economics, politics, etc. The resulting confusion seems to involve a lot of blood, guts, guilt, hatred, fear, and general nastiness. "Here a little- There a little" seems to be misused and abused regarding biblical interpretation and application. Reading whole books of the Bible -- straight-through -- over and over -- seems to be a more honest and reliable (though seldom-used) methodology.

    7. People will believe and do just about anything to "Go to Heaven" and avoid "Going to Hell". The greed and fear involved in this is truly sickening and disillusioning. A reasonable system of rewards and punishments is one thing -- but are the usual teachings regarding Heaven and Hell really reasonable and rational??

    I continue to wonder what the Message of Job through Daniel really is?? Obviously, even this portion of the Bible is impossible to prove regarding it's claims -- but how does this portion of the Bible compare with the rest of the Bible?? Once again, I think I'm on the brink of something very bad personally -- in connection with all of the above, and more. I think I need to stop thinking about everything I've thought about while posting on this website.



    Ten Myths About Islam
    5th Edition
    By Timothy W. Dunkin
    © 2001-2010, All Rights Reserved
    All Scripture quotations are from the Authorized Version, also known as the King James Version, of the Holy Bible
    Quotations from the Qur'an are from the translation of 1938 by Abdullah Yusuf Ali, unless otherwise noted



    Preface
    A wise man named Francis Bacon once said that knowledge is power. Certainly this is true when dealing with foreign, and often hostile, ideologies that confront our Western civilization and way of life. One of these ideologies is Islam. Americans, and Westerners in general, whether Christian or not, are all too often still dangerously ill-informed about Islam. Many people in the West hear and believe the propaganda promoted by various Muslim groups, but fail to search out the facts about the history, theology, and psychology of the Islamic phenomenon.

    While knowledge may be power, ignorance can render a person, a nation, or an entire civilization absolutely powerless. It is the intention of this book to dispel ignorance about Islam and to expose it to the light of open and honest investigation. How much does your average Westerner, your average American, your average churchgoer, or your average secularist, know about Islam? How can we sort through the varying images and claims made by and about Islam? What is truth, and what is falsehood, as far as what we are being told about the religion of Islam? Are we being lied to, and if so, then how can we detect these falsehoods and avoid them?

    I submit this work as an effort at enlightening all who are faced with the challenge of Islam concerning its implications for America and the West. I have attempted to discredit many of the common myths that are taught about Islam, and to expose them to the blinding light of fact, reason, and ultimately, truth. My objective, in some of the chapters of this book, is to distill the discoveries and ideas of modern scholarly investigation into the nature, origins, and history of Islam into a form accessible to the average reader who does not have the time, or perhaps the interest, to become familiar with the somewhat insular body of academic literature available on the subject. By bringing to the reader's attention what I view to be the important highlights of what scholarly investigation has said about the subject, I hope to inform my readers about these important points, and hopefully excite their interests in pursuing further study. As such, I would consider myself to be filling the role of a "transmitter" rather than an "originator" of knowledge. In other chapters, especially those dealing with the sociological impact of Islam, my desire is to systematically present the evidences vis-â-vis the claims of Muslim apologists, and demonstrate to the reader where the weight of facts, and from these truth, resides.

    I make no apologies for presenting this work from a scholarly Christian perspective. There are portions of this book that will be of interest to all, regardless of creed. There are other parts that will be of more specific concern to my fellow Christians, though even these may contain information that non-Christians will find instructive. Ultimately, I hope that the entire work will be of use to any who are open-minded enough to receive it and evaluate it fairly.

    At this point, I would also like to forewarn the reader that I have prepared this work without any malice towards Muslims. This may come as a disappointment to some, and as a shock to others, but it is nevertheless true. This book is for the purpose of approaching the question of Islam from the standpoint of historical, evidential, and theological inquiry. As such, its motive is not emotional. It is not about painting all Muslims as evil or violent or dangerous, as some recent works have tried to do. It is the system of Islam itself, not individual Muslims, that comes under critique in this work. In some small way, I am hoping to move our civilizational discourse about Islam away from the realm of emotional response to world events which have happened in comparatively recent decades, and approach Islam from a perspective that spans the centuries. We must approach the Islamic worldview, not in reaction, but with initiative and proactivity. As an American and a Westerner who believes that our civilization, based as it is upon the Judaeo-Christian worldview, the rule of law, and the Baconian approach to objective knowledge and progress, is superior to those civilizations which are not (and who obviously rejects postmodern multicultural relativism in toto), I make no apologies for the arguments that I put forward in this book.
    Please note that there will be variant spellings of Arabic words appearing in this work. I have attempted to standardize my own orthography, but have retained the transliterations that appear in quotations made from other works.

    Deo Vindice!
    Table of Contents
    The Qur'an


    Theology

    Mohammed

    Social Impact

    Eternal Efficacy

    Glossary of Arabic and Islamic Terms


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    The Gospel of Thomas
    and the Hermeneutics of Vision


    by Lance S. Owens

    These are the secret sayings which the living Jesus spoke and which Didymos Judas Thomas wrote down. And he said, "Whoever finds the interpretation of these sayings will not experience death."
    In its opening words the Gospel of Thomas offers a stunning hermeneutic challenge: "whoever finds the interpretation of these sayings will not experience death." Unfortunately, modern reader comes to this incipit devoid of a technique of interpretive reading -- an hermeneutics -- that grants entry into the mysterious meaning vouchsafed by such words.

    Current academic studies respond to the challenge of the text with modest modern techniques of historical and sociological analysis, conceptual dissections of parallelisms, and suppositions about obscuring temporal stratifications within the compilation of the sayings. Unable to find any hermeneutic method for unlocking a coherent meaning in the Gospel of Thomas, some critics simply deny the organic function of this incipit relative to the remaining logion. In sum, they conclude the sayings of the living Jesus collected in the Thomas gospel are a hodgepodge with no integral, coherent intention.

    The question I pose is this: Was there an original tradition of interpretation – a hermeneutic technique – implicit in early transmissions of the Thomas tradition that gave an organic coherence to readings of the text, and if so, is that hermeneutic method still accessible? Can modern readers meet the challenge of the Thomas incipit?

    In attempt to answer this question, I start with a consideration of saying 12 of the Gospel of Thomas and its reference to "James the Just", then extend discussion to an overview of Jewish apocalyptic traditions in the intertestamental period, moving forward to the Sophianic tradition, and the tradition of vision in early Christianity. From there I finally circle back, by way of the twelfth logion, to elucidate an original interpretive technique -- an anagogical, visionary hermeneutics -- implicit in the Gospel of Thomas.

    I. The Mysterious James

    Saying 12 – The disciples said to Jesus, "We know that you are going to leave us. Who will be our leader?" Jesus said to them, "No matter where you are you are to go to James the Just, for whose sake heaven and earth came into being."

    Reference to James as an authoritative figure in saying 12 of the Gospel of Thomas has caused difficulty for scholars attempting to date the Gospel’s composition to a period after the first century. The community of James, historical associated with Jerusalem, ceased to exist after the Roman destruction of Palestine around 70 CE. If the text of the Gospel of Thomas was produced subsequent to that date, or if the version we now possess underwent later redactions with intent of conforming the text to theological and sociological views of a period foreign to the earliest formative years of Christianity, then why was this authoritative reference to James retained in the twelfth logion? And if the saying indeed dates to the earliest decades of Christian tradition, what significance does reference to James hold for interpretive readings of the Gospel?
    As Robert Eisenman details in his controversial book, James: The Brother of Jesus, several persons named James appear in accounts of the early Christian community. Exactly which James was "James the Just" remains historically ambiguous, though the ecclesiastical importance of the James identified as "the Lord’s brother" is clearly evidenced in the earliest documents of Christianity, the Pauline letters. Eisenman argues James the Just is this same "brother of the Lord", and his compilation of source materials on the James tradition merits close reading. Central to his discussion is the twelfth logion of Thomas:
    "This statement [logion 12] is pregnant with implications where the pre-existent ‘Just One’ or Zaddik’, so important in Jewish mystical tradition or Kabbalah, is concerned. It is also at odds with the orthodox tradition of the succession of Peter. It represents nothing less than the lost tradition of the direct appointment of James as successor to his brother. It is upheld by everything we know about groups that were expelled from orthodox Christianity…." (p53)
    While the thesis Eisenman develops from his sources, and the conclusions he forms about the James tradition are at best highly tentative, the question from which his discussion takes flight deserves consideration: Was James associated with a "lost tradition" in early Christianity? And if so, how was this tradition related to the tradition of the Gospel of Thomas? To answer those questions, we must consider the environment from which early Palestinian Christianity arose.

    II. Jewish Apocalyptics

    The first century was a "super-saturated" cauldron of spiritual aspirations awaiting the nidus of new formation. Jesus appeared at a kairos – an auspicious moment – a moment ripe for renewal, and he was anointed by that age as a messiah. Regardless of how one understands the historical personage named Jesus of Nazareth, a new religious tradition crystallized around his life, words, and name. The tradition he catalyzed cannot, however, be entirely dissociated from preexistent aspirations of the epoch transformed by his appearance.

    Central to the foundation of Christian tradition was the formation of a new story, or myth, about the relationship of God and humankind. Preexistent "apocalyptic" aspirations of the age clearly helped nurture development of this new myth. (The Greek word apocalypse, meaning a "revelation" or an "uncovering" of something hidden, refers in biblical scholarship to a genera of visionary writings common in the intertestamental period. I will use the term here in its broader connotation of "revelation", and without implying a cataclysmic context.) Mythopoetic (or, "myth creating") apocalyptic vision was not the idiosyncratic provenance solely of second-century Gnosticism, a fact often overlooked by students of early Christianity. This mythopoetic tendency associated with second-century Gnosticism stands in context of a preexistent and perpetuating tradition. As early as the second century BCE, the Enoch literature documents a strongly visionary mythopoetic inclination in intertestamental Judaism. Texts among the Dead Sea Scrolls found at Qumran further detail the burgeoning apocalyptic creativity of the century preceding Christianity’s birth. Indeed, the formation of Christianity itself reflects a vast mythopoetic creativity – though, of course, by creedal affirmation this story is uniquely sanctified by divine authorship. (Within the visionary tradition, of course, each story mediated by the creative force of a prophetic voice is understood to be of divine authorship; faiths divide in selecting their prophets, but unite in affirming the validity of a prophetic voice and story.)
    In first-century Palestinian, the cultural forces of unrest were not solely fomenting political renovation of the Jewish state, a theme often emphasized in sociologically biased considerations of the period. It was an age of equally intense spiritual unrest, expectantly awaiting manifestation of a divine touch and of a human ascendance. The transformative event would be mediated through a Teacher of Righteousness, a Zaddik, a messiah. Through him, living waters would come to those in thirst.

    The Thanksgiving Hymn (found among the Dead Sea Scrolls) reads, "But Thou, O my God, hast put into my mouth as showers of early rain for all who thirst and a spring of living waters…. Suddenly they shall gush forth from the secret hiding places…" (Logion 108 in GTh vaguely echoes this same image, "Whoever drinks from my mouth will become like me; I myself shall become that person, and the hidden things will be revealed to him.") In this broad cultural setting there was a spiritual longing that sought after the living water of a human-divine communication. It sought after and claimed reception of revelation, vision, and prophecy. From experience of the visions vouchsafed these seekers there crystallized a new canon of salvific stories (or "myths") about the relation of humankind and God.

    Christianity in earliest form should be understood within this associated matrix of traditions. Jesus’ proclaimed initiator, John the Baptist, and several of his first disciples, had links to a broad milieu of Jewish apocalyptic traditions represented by the Enoch literature and Essene communities. Eisenman even suggests in a tenuous argument that the early Jesus movement was essentially contiguous with the Essene tradition.
    To better understand this history, one must place apocalyptic ("revelatory") experience in its human context. Western humanity has repeatedly told a story of an experienced intimate relationship that constitutes supreme communion with Divinity. Whatever it "be", it is a reality deeply entwined in the history of religions. The words religion and experience have, of course, been disconnected by the thrust of rational theology endured by our age. But in primordial origin and in ongoing life, religion is intrinsically experiential. And visionary experience was alive in the matrix of Jewish apocalyptics that gave rise to early Christianity.

    In the scientific bias of our age, such "revelatory experience", or "experience of God", has become the dream of diseased minds, or the aura produced by a brain in the midst of the aberrant neurochemical events we call a seizure ( I speak as a doctor well versed in this cognitive-neurophysiological model of understanding the events of human consciousness). Such linguistic amulets of reason cannot, however, ward off the fact that human history flows and eddies and takes course around the contours of this experience’s reality: evidence Jesus, Paul, Mani, Mohammed, all men anointed by the charisma of experience, all transformers of history. In the experience which we call sometimes vision, sometimes prophecy, there abides an intimate relationship between the experienced transcendent, named with the name of God, and the imminent Man. The conduit of that relationship is a living being, the human who touches and is touched by an experience of "Other". From his mouth their flows the living water that gives to religion new life.

    The above statement is not intended as a metaphysical declaration. Nor am I speaking here of religious concepts. It is simply an empirical fact. Humans have given repeated testimony of experiences which they interpret as "transcendent", whatever the experiences' "psychological" or "spiritual" or "neurophysiological" source. History evidences well that there is an experience of transcendent vision which leaves upon heart and tongue the savor of Divine communication. This experience was most certainly alive among first century men and women stirred by the words of the living Jesus.

    III. The Sophianic Tradition

    The writings of Philo of Alexandria and the Alexandrian Jewish author of Wisdom of Solomon evidence another crucial motif of the visionary tendencies within intertestamental Judaism. Bringing the Sophianic (or "Wisdom") tradition represent by these works into context, however, requires, a consideration of the mythic domain of Sophia as she was developing in the age of Jesus: during the first century She was emphatically not just a philosophical concept, but a divine hypostasis of implied feminine gender with whom the seeker sought union.

    David Winston, in his introduction to the Anchor Bible edition of the Wisdom of Solomon (WS), refers to Her as "Dame Wisdom". By the time Philo and the author of WS put pen to parchment in the Middle Platonic atmosphere of early first century Alexandria, her story had been developing for over two hundred years as an expression of a renewed Jewish mythopoetic vision. We find her in Proverbs and Job, and later in Ecclesiasticus (also known as in the Wisdom of ben Sirach). She was a "charming female figure playing always before Yahweh, after having been created by Him at the beginning of his work." (p 34) To know her – so the story tells – was a rapture, an experience. The author of WS describes the event with frank sexual imagery: she is the Bride with whom one entered the bridal chamber. Union with her is a union with God, a conjunction of immanent and transcendent. As Winston states in his introduction,
    "There appears to be good reason, then, to conclude that the author’s highly charged language concerning the pursuit of Wisdom and her promised gifts, may allude to a mystical experience through which, he believes, man is capable of some measure of union with Deity, at least under the aspect of Sophia." (p 42)
    Who Sophia was she alone could reveal, and so She did: "Generation by generation she enters into the holy souls and renders them friends of God and prophets" (WS 7:27). But it must be understood that Sophia’s story was still very much in a process of "becoming" during the first century. While Philo and WS offer literary evidence of her myth at a critical stage of formation, its development was certainly not confined to the philosophical discourse of Alexandria, nor was it restricted to the philosophical forms in which these writers appear to cast it – even if we understand the word "philosopher" within its full sense as a "lover of Sophia". Their writings are only two temporal "snapshots" of Sophia’s myth within a broader cultural context and an extended organic process of formation. At the time of Philo (c. 30 CE) the Sophianic myth had been in development for at least two hundred years. It yet would see further metamorphosis within the visionary context of the next century’s Gnostic exegesis.

    This approach to Wisdom/Sophia as a myth in formation, and the assertion that at center the myth spoke of an experience of Divine-human intercourse, will be foreign to some readers. Nonetheless, there is ample evidence that the Sophianic tradition was rooted in – or at very least nurtured by – an experiential, visionary (and, thus, "myth making") tradition that sought after something quite beyond the joys of "wise thought." It was not solely a "literary" tradition, even if literary manifestations are signal evidences of its existence. In the Palestine of Jesus, the myth of Sophia very probably found forming and sustaining voices within communities of individuals seeking direct, experiential, visionary contact with Divinity – the "holy souls and friends of God". In several of the Qumran documents we find Her spirit present. (Winston, p 31) She appears in subtle form as the Logos-Sophia of the Gospel of John. And Her gift reflects from within the Logion of Thomas.

    The assumption that it is entirely a "philosophical" Middle Platonic concept that forms the Wisdom tradition in its intersection with the early Christianity discounts a fundamental fact of the Sophianic quest. The seeker of Sophia sought union with a Bride: he wished to experience Her, to be made a prophet by Her, to love Her, to enter the ecstasy of Her embrace. Note that throughout the Sophianic literature, it is never stated what Sophia teaches. We are only told that Her gift is a wonder and the most worthy quest of humankind. One might suggest this reticence is based in the fact that the experience of Sophia’s embrace is completely beyond the bounds of exegetic expression.

    IV. Formation of the Jesus Tradition in Palestine

    Though every religion develops with sociological underpinnings, historical antecedents and political consequences, the formation of a "new" religion invariable is firmly rooted in charismatic mystery – the mystery of "spiritual gifts" and events. Again, let me make clear that this statement is not a metaphysical declaration, but a reflection of the long human record of empirical facts: humans experience relationship with "something" transcendent which – using a word born in time immemorial – they call God. By nature, religion links transcendent and immanent realities, it gives expression to the relationship of humanity and divinity. In the Western world, particularly amongst the children of Abraham, religious metamorphosis takes form in a human experience of divine revelation – an experience which makes of men prophets and visionaries in the mold of the prototypical prophet of the West. Whatever its "true source", there is an "event", a moment of epiphany, an intimate experience of intercourse between man and God: a prophet, or apostle, or visionary, or Zaddik is called by the divine voice. He subsequently speaks with the power of that charismatic anointing.

    Regardless of how radically "new" a great religion-forming vision may seem in the perspective of Western history, its first formative voice – be it Jesus or Mani or Mohammed – invariably stands itself within the context of prophetic tradition. Vision itself is, after all, a tradition amongst the children of Abraham. The reality of a new prophet’s vision places him "at one" with all true revelation. His revelation – so it will be claimed – is the vision anticipated by every true revelation.

    Of course the socially appointed guardians of "tradition" perpetually judge such deconstructive prophetic readings of "conveyed tradition" as misreadings – as heresies, as deviant aberrations of the received truth. And indeed they are. But the strongest of these strong misreadings (to use a term coined by Harold Bloom) make new religions. The prophetic voice speaks religious metamorphosis; it is the living reality of prophetic tradition. Henceforth all conveyed tradition – the cultural legacies of myth, text and memory – are reformed within the creative fire of reborn prophetic vision. Vision becomes the hermeneutics by which tradition is read and defined. However seemingly new, the inspired misreading of vision claims its primacy in a source older than time. It is the original, true and everlasting tradition.

    The tradition which coalesced around Jesus in Palestine was built upon a foundation of apocalyptic and Sophianic aspirations that characterized the visionary zeitgeist of the age. In the Jesus tradition, the epoch’s creative spirit found both perpetuation and new avenues of maturation. It can be argued that the story or "myth" which developed around Jesus had been seeking various forms for two hundred years: it was presaged by the Teacher of Righteousness in Essene tradition; in Hellenistic culture Osiris, Hermes, Sarapis and Dionysus had all played roles that took new cast in the emergent story of Jesus. But the story of Jesus was clearly not just a "rehashing" of old motifs. In final development, it was a bold new creation of vision: a prophetic vision come to form in an age alive with visionary creativity.

    Whatever the mythic underpinnings or visionary embellishments to his story, Jesus of Nazareth did apparently exist. His life was the nidus that initiated formation of a tradition. He walked and taught in Judea and Galilee. Disciples came to him and saw in him something extraordinary. Through him – through the story they found in him – they experienced a new vision of God and man. As indicated by the reported events on the Mount of Transfiguration, his disciples apparently shared visions with him. And after his death, they had visions of him. Though dead, he lived with them and in them. He spoke to them. Through them, his words reached out across the world.

    In searching source for the "words of the Living Jesus", it is essential that we keep in mind the visionary proclivity of the age. Whatever Jesus said in life, those sayings were given significant new depths of meaning by events perceived to have followed upon his death. After his death the "living" (redivivus) Jesus was claimed by his disciples to have appeared to them and to have given them further teachings. Metaphysical or "faith-based" affirmations aside, this was the certain perception of those apostles who perpetuated his teachings and memory.
    The four canonical gospels all end with assertion of this appearance (though textual evidence suggests the final verses of Mark dealing with the post-resurrection appearance, from 16:8 forward, are a later emendation). Continuing the story of the post-mortal ministry found in the Gospel of Luke, Acts begins:
    "He showed himself to these men after his death, and gave ample proof that he was alive: over a period of forty days he appeared to them and taught them about the kingdom of God." (Acts 1:3-4)
    While the four canonical Gospels and Acts are all late first century accounts, Paul gives very early evidence of a widespread witness to the perceived post-mortal ministry of Jesus in I Cor. 15:5-8 (dating to around 48-52 CE):
    "…he appeared to Cephas and afterwards to the Twelve then he appeared to over five hundred of our brothers at once, most of who are still alive, though some have died. Then he appeared to James and afterwards to all the apostles. In the end he appeared even to me."
    The Gospel of John, textually the latest and the most unique in heritage of the Gospels, gives the longest account of this ministry of the resurrected Jesus (making frequent mention of Thomas "the twin" in the account). The rendition ends with these words: "There is much else that Jesus did. If it were all to be recorded in detail, I suppose the whole world could not hold the books that would be written." (John 21:25)

    Accounts from the first century seem in accord that there were transformations in the disciples’ understanding of Jesus and his words during the period immediately following his death. The John gospel gives insight into the transformative spiritual force that was perceived to awaken this new perspective: "I have told you all this while I am still here with you; but your Advocate, the Holy Spirit whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you everything, and will call to mind all that I have told you." (John 14:25-26) Assuming the Gospel of John took final form at least fifty years after the events it discusses, one might read this verse as reflecting ongoing perceptions within the Johannine community not about how the words and teachings of Jesus would be recollected, but about how they had been recollected by his disciples: and that recollection involved a spiritual anamnesis. Of course the reputed ministry of Jesus redivivus and the subsequent anamnesis (or "remembering") of his words mediated by the Holy Spirit played a continued role for segments of the second century Christian community eventually characterized as "Gnostic". One might suggest this Gnostic penchant for spiritual anamnesis was a process organically rooted in first-century traditions dating to the post-resurrection teachings received by the disciples.

    Undoubtedly the mortal Jesus deeply influenced his disciples. But the words he spoke to them took multiple levels of new meaning in spiritual manifestations perceived to follow his death. These manifestations emphatically confirmed to the disciples the meaning of his life and ministry. Any orally or textually transmitted record of the "sayings of the Living Jesus" originating among the original disciples of Jesus in Palestine would certainly have been formed and influenced by "apocalyptic" manifestations of meaning developed in the period following his death. The original disciples knew him in life and they experienced him again as living after his death. They gave apostolic testimony to their knowledge of this still-living Jesus.
    It seems likely that there were words of Jesus redivivus recollected by some early disciples which would have been guarded and conveyed only within chosen communities. Teachings endowed with deeper levels of meaning – meanings "called to memory" by spiritual agencies – are the types of sayings most likely to have been held in limited circulation. The sayings recorded in Thomas are in large measure the very type of verbal recollections that might exemplify a collection of "hidden sayings", words endowed with profound implications "to be understood only through the spirit of revelation" (perhaps an implication of the common refrain in Thomas, "he who has ears, let him hear"). In making this assertion, I emphasize again the apocalyptic tenor of the time. Revelations and spiritual manifestations were formative forces in the early Christian community, and they undoubtedly influenced every recollection about Jesus shared by the first disciples.

    V. Paul, Jerusalem and James

    The Pauline letters – our earliest primary record of the new Jesus tradition – evidence the crucial role played by "revelation" and "spiritual manifestations" during the tradition’s formation. Paul claimed knowledge of Jesus granted to him in its entirety through revelation. The story of Paul’s vision of Jesus on the road to Damascus is well known. In his letter to the Galician’s, dated between 48 and 58 CE, Paul boldly declares the exclusive revelatory source of his knowledge:
    "I must make it clear to you, my friends, that the gospel you heard me preach is no human invention. I did not take it over from any man; no man taught it me; I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ. ...When that happened, without consulting any human being, without going up to Jerusalem to see those who were apostles before me, I went off at once to Arabia, and afterwards returned to Damascus. Three years later I did go up to Jerusalem to get to know Cephas. I stayed with him a fortnight, without seeing any other of the apostles, except James the Lord’s brother." (Gal 1:11-12, 16-19. The point is restated in the pseudepigraphic Pauline letter to the Ephesians, 3:3-5.)
    Whatever the disagreements between Paul and the disciples residing around Jerusalem, those earliest disciples did apparently accept Paul as an apostle of Jesus. Paul’s visionary encounter with Jesus and his claims of knowledge gained through revelation were acknowledged as valid by disciples who had known Jesus in his mortality. It is difficult to imagine why this select group would have granted the Pauline revelation validity if it were not that they themselves had shared similar experiences. Gospel accounts document that they did have such analogous visionary experiences. Paul authenticates this fact in his letter to the Corinthians (quoted above), wherein he gives context to his own revelation through an affirmation of the original disciples’ visions of Jesus.

    But there was a crucial (and perhaps insurmountable) difference between Paul and the disciples in Jerusalem: They had walked with Jesus for several years and heard him teach. Paul had not. Some of them had been influenced by preexisting apocalyptic spiritual aspirations (broadly characterized as "Essene influences"), some may have been earlier followers of John the Baptist. Paul most certainly had not. While the original disciples developed a deepened understanding of Jesus after his death – through the mediation of an experience called "revelation" – for many of them this revelatory experience would have been an amplification of teachings they had heard Jesus offer during his mortality. Paul had not shared in that experience.

    The Pauline revelation thus stands in ambivalent relationship to the "words of Jesus" which would have been recollected by early disciples. Jesus did speak. His words and their meanings were recalled after his death within an ambience claimed to have been enlightened by "spiritual" agencies bestowing revelatory anamnesis. While Paul professed access to the same "gifts of the spirit", he had limited access to the spoken heritage of Jesus’ words. In his many epistles he seldom referred to or reflected specific knowledge of Jesus’ words. History of course witnesses the profound charismatic power granted Paul by the spirit of revelation alone: he is the first chosen voice of Christianity. Nonetheless, it remains quite likely that there was another understanding of Jesus – a tradition rooted in words verbalized by Jesus to a select group of mortal men and women, a tradition subsequently nurtured by those same individuals’ vision of their risen Lord – to which Paul had little access. The Gospel of Thomas may contain a remnant of that tradition.

    And so we finally come back to Logion 12 and the mystery of James the Just:
    The disciples said to Jesus, "We know that you are going to leave us. Who will be our leader?" Jesus said to them, "No matter where you are you are to go to James the Just, for whose sake heaven and earth came into being."
    In Paul’s polemic, the name of James was associated with a Jesus tradition mired in Jewish cultural precedents and unwilling to break free of the "the Law". But in light of the above comments, it might also be suggested that within this Jerusalem community there existed a memory of Jesus’ teachings – a memory importantly augmented by revelatory events – to which Paul did not have ready access. Knowledge of sacred words was sacred. Its transmission was probably guarded. What we know of Paul’s visits to Jerusalem does not suggest he gained intimacy with the inner community of original disciples. At various places in his letters Paul makes clear his competition with, and even antagonism toward, the church at Jerusalem, as well as toward others he refers to as "superlative apostles" – teachers apparently associated with a Jesus tradition not embraced by Paul.

    In this context Logion 12 is quite understandable -- if it is dated to a period within the first decades after the death of Jesus, the period in which the original disciples were "recollecting" the words of Jesus. James the Just, "the brother of Jesus", would quite naturally have been accorded a role of leadership and honor by the community of disciples gathered in Palestine after the ascension of their Lord. James had evidently walked beside Jesus, he may have experienced visions with Jesus during his life, and he had seen the risen Jesus in vision after his death – the last a fact affirmed by Paul. He may even have verbally received from Jesus the commission memorialized in Logion 12. Though conjectural, one might further suggest James the Just had links to influences infusing the Jesus movement from preexistent apocalyptic strains of Judaism (Eisenman attempts this argument), including (I suggest) the epoch’s Sophianic aspirations.

    If one wishes to go even further and intuitively impute an esoteric tenor to logion 12, this saying may have been read within an early community of understanding as affirming the priority of a "non-Pauline, non-Petrine" lineage of knowledge linked in memory to apocalyptic aspirations extant in non-normative Jewish traditions – a heritage understood by early disciples as having been consummated and vitally transformed by the Living Jesus. Such an argument accords well with what we know about early origins of the Jesus tradition. It is certainly not counter-intuitive to suppose some members of his incipient movement remembered and considered important what we have also finally come to understand, even at great temporal distance from the fact: the Jesus tradition had roots in, and was influenced by, Jewish apocalyptic culture of the first century.

    VI. Thomas and the Hermeneutics of Vision

    Among the first disciples of Jesus in Palestine there were at least some who did not see their movement as a "new religion". Instead, I suggest they understood it within the context of their time as the manifestation of a perpetual stream of living water flowing from the most ancient source of tradition: the vital, renewing intercourse between God and man. By nature, the "vision tradition" radically deconstructs a received tradition in the name of "true tradition". Apocalyptic tradition – the tradition of vision – is mediated neither by ritual nor text nor dogma, but by the immediacy and verity of a unique human experience. This experience reads the prophetic past through the medium of its asserted origin: primary revelation, the experiential event of vision. At the beginning of the deconstruction mediated by new vision, exoteric vessels of tradition may persist even as they are being emptied, recast and refilled. Ritual behaviors – the outward inherited forms of tradition – take new meanings. Traditional texts are not rewritten but selected and reread (or mis-read) to reveal previously unanticipated implications.
    One need only examine the later history of Kabbalah – "the tradition" of Jewish mysticism – for repeated evidence of this deconstructive process. Moses de Leon’s masterful compilation of the Zohar in the thirteenth century and Isaac Luria’s bold restatement of the Kabbalistic mythos in the sixteenth century were both unprecedented, and yet each was embraced in its time as a verity of immemorial tradition – a prophetic tradition reaching back to the first Adam, a tradition which allowed (or even demanded) its own restatement by primary, mythopoetic vision. The thirteenth century Islamic mystic Ibn Arabi stands as another example of a visionary "revisioning" redefining tradition within the prophetic legacy of Abraham. In each of these instances the exoteric forms of tradition were maintained while being reformed from within by a new mythos replete with new perceptions of symbolic meaning.

    The hermeneutics embraced by the vision tradition is seldom properly understood. Following a schema proposed by Dante at the beginnings of fourteenth century, theories of hermeneutics continue to delineate four interpretive techniques that are typified in readings of sacred text: literal, moral, allegorical and anagogical. The last and most nebulous category, "anagogical interpretation", offers best entry point for understanding the radical hermeneutics of the vision tradition. Taken from Late Greek, the word anagoge roughly means "spiritually uplifted". An anagogical interpretation – as usually defined – "lifts" the text from its concrete form into a spiritual dimension of outwardly hidden meaning. In the vision tradition, the "lifting up" occurred specifically through the imaginative power of vision. It was not a rational, intellectual or discursive process, but an experiential, apocalyptic revelation that drove this hermeneutics.
    Historically, Kabbalah is perhaps the most obvious and approachable tradition to embrace anagogical hermeneutics. Prophetic Kabbalah asserted that one could only understand the meaning of prophetic writings by personally entering into the primary experience of prophetic vision. Only an experience of primary vision granted understand of the meanings hidden within the prophetic and sacred texts of the Torah. Of course it was understood in Kabbalistic tradition that few men were blessed to reach such an exalted threshold of vision. But in every age some did. (This is a complex line of discussion. In addition to the prophetic aspect of Kabbalah, their developed philosophical and theosophical manifestations of Kabbalah in the fourteenth through seventeenth centuries that were more intellectually speculative and less primarily centered on pursuit of prophetic vision. I direct those interested to the extensive writings of Gershom Scholem and Moshe Idel.)

    The Gnostic hermeneutics of the second century was anagogical in the same sense: through imaginative vision pseudepigraphical accounts were authored and myths were "remembered". Apocalyptic Gnostic writings were granted authority within their own community not by virtue of their historical provenance, but by the perceived primacy of their source, the prophetic imagination. This is the conundrum presented by the vision tradition that so infuriated more rational and prosaic minds in the second century: when does vision transform into immutable text, where does revelation stop and dogma begin? Or to use the terms of the sociologist Max Weber, how and when is charisma institutionalized?

    I suggest that at a very early stage in the development of the Christian tradition there were disciples who gave primacy to an anagogical hermeneutics – a hermeneutics I choose to call "the hermeneutics of vision". In my comments above I have briefly indicated evidences that might suggest existence of a visionary hermeneutics within the early Jesus movement. I further suggest this hermeneutics of vision persisted as an accepted form of tradition into the second century and was organically linked to development of what later was termed Gnosticism. Within Jewish culture, it found independent early expression in Merkabah mysticism and then a later and more general acknowledgment in Kabbalah.

    It is my opinion that the Gospel of Thomas represents an early ramus of this tradition – a tradition which predated Jesus and flourished under his influence. This tradition is defined by its hermeneutics: Only one who understands the method of interpretation will understand the message. It is a psychological paradox: the message is the method; the method is vision – a perceptive, spiritually uplifted, visionary encounter with the message. The Words of the Living Jesus presented in Thomas became doorways to an experience of knowing. Implicitly and explicitly, they demand from their interpreter an anagogical hermeneutics – a technique of interpretation vouchsafed by vision. This argument does not date the origins of Thomas into a second century "Gnostic milieu" but rather asserts the hermeneutics of vision that engendered Gnostic Christianity was taking form around Jesus at a very early date.

    The vitality inherent in this imputed visionary hermeneutics might suggest inevitable instability in the textual forms of the logion of Thomas. But here an important distinction must be made: visionary mutability of a text’s meaning does not necessarily demand redaction of the conveyed verbal forms of the text – indeed, quite the contrary. Its was the interpreter who was to be changed by the text, and not the text that needed to be change by the interpreter! The words of the logion are a doorway to visions of meaning. By passage through that door the interpreter met radical transformation: "he will not taste death". A tradition of visionary hermeneutics might actually tend to preserve the integrity of a text more faithfully than did traditions of textual transmission focused on literal, moral or allegorical interpretation. By anagogically placing meaning above the concreteness of words, there was arguably less motive for a redactor familiar with anagogical tradition to reform the text in order to achieve conformity with literal (and temporally mutable) dogmatic demands. I suggest for this reason that the synoptic tradition was probably less stable within its provenances than were the logion of Thomas within their lineage of transmission. Within the vision tradition, the words of the Living Jesus were endowed with a spiritual or magical potential – they had intrinsic transformative power.
    Secular discussions of Thomas usually become mired in moral, literal and allegorical techniques of interpretation, accompanied by their sociological congeners. The hermeneus who will meet the challenge of the Gospel of Thomas’ incipit needs enlist another type of hermeneutic technique – a technique hidden and obvious, ancient and modern, simple and complex. Unfortunately our human record documents well that this technique avails only those who have ears attuned to hear it. Without the grace of that gift, the hermeneutics of vision is an obscure and meaningless concept.

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    Post  RedEzra Wed Jan 06, 2016 5:43 am

    "'But I tell you truly, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elijah, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, and there was a great famine throughout all the land;

    but to none of them was Elijah sent except to Zarephath, in the region of Sidon, to a woman who was a widow.'"


    -Luke 4:25-26



    The wrath of God also known as the Great tribulation seems to last 3 1/2 years perhaps starting from the Feast of Trumpets 2017
    at the astronomical sign of  "a woman clothed with the sun with the moon under her feet" in Revelation 12.
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    Post  Carol Wed Jan 06, 2016 9:51 am

    RedEzra wrote:"'But I tell you truly, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elijah, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, and there was a great famine throughout all the land;

    but to none of them was Elijah sent except to Zarephath, in the region of Sidon, to a woman who was a widow.'"


    -Luke 4:25-26



    The wrath of God also known as the Great tribulation seems to last 3 1/2 years perhaps starting from the Feast of Trumpets 2017
    at the astronomical sign of  "a woman clothed with the sun with the moon under her feet" in Revelation 12.

    So you think this will begin in 2017? The biblical scholar next store was convinced it was to start September 2015. Needless to say NO ONE knows god's timing. In addition, prayer and meditation have been delaying some of these predicted events since the 60s so we also know that the future is malleable and has altered along with some of the timelines. What was written years ago by "man" may not come to pass ever.


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    Post  orthodoxymoron Wed Jan 06, 2016 12:18 pm

    I'm trying to not talk for a while BUT here is an interesting eschatological-study (if you can even get all of these sources):

    1. Job through Daniel (KJV).
    2. Prophets and Kings (Ellen White).
    3. Daniel (Desmond Ford).
    4. Daniel 8:14, the Day of Atonement, and the Investigative Judgment (Desmond Ford). Usually Expensive -- and the Spine Quickly Splits.
    5. The End of the World, A.D. 2133 (Lucio Bernardo Silvestre). Very Rare. The Jesuits probably have a couple of copies.
    6. The Gods of Eden (William Bramley).

    I'm NOT pushing this list -- but I think it's an interesting Road Less Traveled -- especially when combined with Science-Fiction and Conspiracy-Theories. I think I'd like The End of the World to simply be The End of the Bullshit. A Proper Trial would probably be an optimal place to begin -- with Reasonable and Rational Rewards and Punishments -- rather than Fire and Brimstone followed by Heaven and Hell. I simply wish to see a Proper Solar System of Law and Order -- in a Proper Relationship with the Rest of the Universe. I have NO Idea whether a highly-refined United States of the Solar System would work, or not -- but it makes for some interesting Science-Fiction in a Twenty-Second Century Context. Hope Springs Eternal. Namaste and Godspeed.
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    Post  RedEzra Thu Jan 07, 2016 10:30 am

    Carol wrote:
    RedEzra wrote:"'But I tell you truly, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elijah, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, and there was a great famine throughout all the land;

    but to none of them was Elijah sent except to Zarephath, in the region of Sidon, to a woman who was a widow.'"


    -Luke 4:25-26



    The wrath of God also known as the Great tribulation seems to last 3 1/2 years perhaps starting from the Feast of Trumpets 2017
    at the astronomical sign of  "a woman clothed with the sun with the moon under her feet" in Revelation 12.

    So you think this will begin in 2017? The biblical scholar next store was convinced it was to start September 2015. Needless to say NO ONE knows god's timing. In addition, prayer and meditation have been delaying some of these predicted events since the 60s so we also know that the future is malleable and has altered along with some of the timelines. What was written years ago by "man" may not come to pass ever.



    I believe the prophet Daniel's 70th and last "week" seven years started 23 September 2015 but the reign of antichrist will begin in the middle of this "week" and after 3 1/2 years of Great tribulation Jesus will establish the Kingdom of God on earth.

    It is popular to say that nobody knows when the end of the age or the day of the Lord is at hand but that is a huge cop out from people who do not bother to study the Scriptures perhaps because they do not believe the Bible is inspired and protected by God.




    "While they are saying, 'Peace and safety!' then destruction will come upon them suddenly like labor pains upon a woman with child, and they will not escape.

    But you, brethren, are not in darkness, that the day would overtake you like a thief;

    for you are all sons of light and sons of day. We are not of night nor of darkness;"


    1 Thessalonians 5:3-5


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    Post  orthodoxymoron Thu Jan 07, 2016 1:12 pm

    Hopefully, this will be my last list for a very long time:

    1. Genesis and Job through Malachi (KJV and/or NKJV).
    2. Luke and Acts through Jude (KJV and/or NKJV).
    3. Prophets and Kings (Ellen White).
    4. The Desire of Ages (Ellen White).
    5. The Gods of Eden (William Bramley).
    6. Solomon: Pharaoh of Egypt (Ralph Ellis).
    7. Daniel (Desmond Ford).
    8. Daniel 8:14, the Day of Atonement, and the Investigative Judgment (Desmond Ford).
    9. The End of the World, A.D. 2133 (Lucio Bernardo Silvestre).
    10. The Federalist Papers (with the U.S. Constitution).
    11. The New York Times (online and hard-copy).
    12. The Wall Street Journal (online and hard-copy).
    13. Foreign Affairs (online and hard-copy).
    14. Sacred Classical Music.
    15. The United States of the Solar System: 2133 A.D. (Books One and Two).
    16. Stargate SG-1 (movies and series).
    17. Babylon 5 (movies and series).
    18. The "V" Series (1983-85 and 2009-10).

    This list does NOT constitute an endorsement of any of the above. It is simply a particular area of research for those well-suited and properly-prepared for such a demanding study. This might simply be a "Red-Herring" created by the "Woman in Scarlet". Who Knows?? Dr. Who?? Who??

    SuiGeneris wrote:
    B.B.Baghor wrote:Hello Sui-Generis, I don't think we've met before, really, but I salute you for such clarity of mind and courage of heart. Thank you very much! Your recent posts here, this Spirit's stance, reading them offers great relief to me, for I've known always, that the Thuban world was a "no go" area to me. I've ignored that world, while registering in Project Camelot and later Avalon, end of 2009. Only last year I began to reply to Thubans, present here. Mainly with shilo. I've always made clear that I cannot and will not accept the ridiculing and gossip behind member's back, in the chat-room. Why on Earth these needed to be shared in Thuban posts I can't grasp fully. Of course, I have my thoughts about it, but let's leave that for now.

    hi BBB,

    I know it looks like ridicule and gossip but the agenda at play here is much deeper than that...i will try to explain the best i can. Since Tony always said that it is NOT 'Tony the man', that he merely FOLLOWS directives, then i am sure the decision to include these chats was not made by him but came from the beings he works for. When these private chats first began to emerge on published posts and I asked Tony about it, he said it was “record keeping” and left it at that. He always called himself a “scribe” for the ‘logos’…used words like “record keeper” but NOT for the posterity of humans' sake, but for the benefit of the ET’s. He always said the thuban data was for them and not for humans…that it was information only they could understand and decode and use. being this the case i am sure all chats were saved, even though only some were published. Now, as you can see in this image he made, he calls himself "librarian".


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    As a dragonisation "facilitator", he is facilitating the flow of information from this plane of significance onto another, as well as from that level into here, so the communication goes both ways and this is very important for people to understand. As a librarian, record keeper and scribe, he is to record absolutely everything the program he follows deems worthy and necessary for its agenda; and since this agenda has to do with the successful hybridization of at least some humanoids, it is necessary for the agenda to gather any and all data concerning their state of mind. "Private" chats then constitute a crucial aspect of this record keeping, as it is in that atmosphere of 'relaxed intimacy' where the deepest parts of the subject's psyche can be observed and analyzed after being properly triggered and handled.

    Sharing them publicly then served a double purpose, not only to reach the person on the other end of the chat but to reach a larger audience; increasing the chances certain things said would fish in new potential dragonized hybrids. Since the "inspiration" of the thuban data does not come from the facilitator himself but from a source outside from him, and the facilitator —in this case at least— is very well depleted of energetic CHARGE himself, it is not guaranteed that he will have the same constancy of emotion in order to be able to 'decode' the messages received with the same precision all the time. That is, what he says and how he says on the chatrooms at the specific time that he says it, is not easy to be replicated again and even if he repeats himself a hundred times, it will not have the very same energetic impulse. Why those chats had unique characteristics that 'the agenda' needed spread about and not remained solely on a single person's computer chat history. This is a pattern i observed emerged gradually and went hand in hand with his own physical exhaustion. i would pay attention to the way he would talk to us while in group chat and i learned to recognize the moment when he was ready to share the chat just by the subtle way he changed his tone in his 'speech'.

    The chatrooms...this is where the magic happens quite literally. The testing grounds upon which the Dracos are to select and further induce those with whom it was able to create a mental almost parasital symbiotic relationship after a certain time of necessary induction; where the "self-selected" humanoids are found to be either accepting or rejecting the program which later assigns well defined "allegiances" and continue accelerating its agenda on a more individual basis until reaching maximum polarization. By this point the humanoid has lost all independence of thought with connection to Spirit severed. By all intent and purposes this "ex human" is now part of the hive mind of the "Logos" (fig.1), another follower whose sole purpose would be sharing itself (not only mentally but sexually as well, by blood memory or biogenetic transfer) in order to perpetuate, replicate itself further expanding the souls' salvation mentality; which is the complete opposite of the other lineage of humanity, the one who fights for individual sovereignty, individuation and independence of the Self.


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    Good health to you too and big hug Flowers

    Xeia Kali SuiGeneris
    Carol wrote:Having experienced "hive mind" once, I could see how seductive it would be for people who didn't have authentic spiritual experience with "source" and mistake it for something quite extraordinary - a be all, end all in and of itself. One no longer experiences feeling alone due to feeling connected to the hive. Something I chose to reject due to having had a much more enriching spiritual contact experience with Christ Consciousness and "source". I tend to compare "lizard hive mind contact" experience as an emotional addiction one could easily give into and crave. Meaning it's easy to see how someone can crave this particular type of energetic emotional connection.

    For example, an alcoholic with his/her initial drink goes for that initial "false sense of spiritual high" where one can easily fool oneself into feeling connected to something greater then ones own ego self. Only after the experience of intoxication one is often left feeling both spiritually and emotionally drained, empty.

    I often thought that this type of ET "hive mind" contact would be at the root of what has been labeled by Christians as the "great deception". I recall one episode from "V" where the head female character, Diana - Supreme Commander of the Visitors invited others into the joining of "hive mind" experience. This is where weak-minded humans were easily seduced and taken over by mind control.

    "V is a TV series about an alien invasion of Earth by a carnivorous race of reptilians known as "The Visitors" Earth has its first encounter with an extraterrestrial race. Calling themselves the Visitors and promoting peace, they seem to be friendly, but their congeniality may be a cover for a malevolent agenda. Meanwhile, Father Jack (Joel Gretsch), already questioning his faith when the Visitors arrive, seeks answers outside his church and finds other dissidents who believe the Vs are not what they claim to be. " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_(1984_TV_series)

    Sound familiar?
    orthodoxymoron wrote:Try watching the first-four episodes of the 2009-10 version of "V" -- without a break -- followed immediately by the "Unholy Alliance" episode from the second-season. The effect should be quite chilling. It wouldn't surprise me if Earth turns out to be some sort of a "V" Genetics-Laboratory (going way, way, way back). I liked the best aspects of Anna and the "V's" -- and HATED the worst aspects. I'm honestly a "V" -- and I'm related to "Anna". I often feel somewhat like a "Chad Dekker" character (with my meek-demeanor and incessant-questioning). I wonder why "V" got cancelled after only two seasons?? I also wonder what a third season would've been like?! I liked the general idea behind "V" -- but I thought the plot was weak and disjointed. It was impressive -- but it could've been SO Much Better. A few years ago, I could've attended a $100 Dinner at a "V" Celebrity's Home -- but I was broke -- so I didn't go. I wonder what a combination of Stargate SG-1 -- Babylon 5 -- Jupiter Ascending -- Guardians of the Galaxy -- Ex Machina -- and "V" might be like?! BTW -- Is that Bill Gates and Paul Allen in that Ex Machina image below??!! What Would Jon Shirley Say?? What Would LaVerne and Shirley Say?? What Would Alan Rickman Say?? What Would Alanis Morissette Say?? What Would Anubis Do?? What Would Monseigneur Bowe Do?? What Would Pazuzu Do?? What Would Corrado Balducci Do??



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    Concerning Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: 5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name: 6 Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ: 7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ. 8 First , I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world. 9 For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers; 10 Making request , if by any means now at length I might have a prosperous journey by the will of God to come unto you. 11 For I long to see you, that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift, to the end ye may be established ; 12 That is , that I may be comforted together with you by the mutual faith both of you and me. 13 Now I would not have you ignorant , brethren, that oftentimes I purposed to come unto you, (but was let hitherto ,) that I might have some fruit among you also, even as among other Gentiles. 14 I am debtor both to the Greeks, and to the Barbarians; both to the wise, and to the unwise. 15 So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.

    For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth ; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written , The just shall live by faith. 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen , being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful ; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened . 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools , 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator , who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another ; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet . 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient ; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

    Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest : for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. 2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. 3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? 4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? 5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; 6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds: 7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: 8 But unto them that are contentious , and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11 For there is no respect of persons with God. 12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; 13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified . 14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness , and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another Wink 16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel. 17 Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God, 18 And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent , being instructed out of the law; 19 And art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them which are in darkness, 20 An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law. 21 Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal , dost thou steal ? 22 Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery , dost thou commit adultery ? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege ? 23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God? 24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written . 25 For circumcision verily profiteth , if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision. 26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? 27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law? 28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly ; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly ; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

    What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? 2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God. 3 For what if some did not believe ? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect ? 4 God forbid : yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written , That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged . 5 But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say ? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man) 6 God forbid : for then how shall God judge the world? 7 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner? 8 And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported , and as some affirm that we say ,) Let us do evil, that good may come ? whose damnation is just. 9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; 10 As it is written , There is none righteous, no, not one: 11 There is none that understandeth , there is none that seeketh after God. 12 They are all gone out of the way , they are together become unprofitable ; there is none that doeth good, no, not one . 13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit ; the poison of asps is under their lips: 14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: 15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:

    Destruction and misery are in their ways: 17 And the way of peace have they not known : 18 There is no fear of God before their eyes. 19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith , it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped , and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. 21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested , being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe : for there is no difference: 23 For all have sinned , and come short of the glory of God; 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past , through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. 27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded . By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. 29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid : yea, we establish the law.

    What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found ? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture ? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. 6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, 7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven , and whose sins are covered . 8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. 9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness. 10 How was it then reckoned ? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision. 11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe , though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: 12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised. 13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void , and the promise made of none effect : 15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is , there is no transgression. 16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all, 17 (As it is written , I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed , even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were . 18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken , So shall thy seed be . 19 And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead , when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sara's womb: 20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; 21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised , he was able also to perform . 22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; 24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed , if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; 25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

    Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: 2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand , and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. 3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; 4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope: 5 And hope maketh not ashamed ; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us. 6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. 7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die : yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die . 8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled , we shall be saved by his life. 11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement. 12 Wherefore , as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned : 13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come . 15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead , much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. 16 And not as it was by one that sinned , so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. 17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) 18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. 19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. 20 Moreover the law entered , that the offence might abound . But where sin abounded , grace did much more abound : 21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

    What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound ? 2 God forbid . How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein ? 3 Know ye not , that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed , that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7 For he that is dead is freed from sin. 8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: 9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. 10 For in that he died , he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth , he liveth unto God. 11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. 12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. 13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. 15 What then? shall we sin , because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid . 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey ; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? 17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you . 18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. 19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. 20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. 21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed ? for the end of those things is death. 22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. 23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

    Know ye not , brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth ? 2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth ; but if the husband be dead , she is loosed from the law of her husband. 3 So then if, while her husband liveth , she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead , she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. 4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. 5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. 6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held ; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. 7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid . Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said , Thou shalt not covet . 8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. 9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came , sin revived , and I died . 10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. 11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. 12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. 13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid . But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would , that do I not; but what I hate , that do I . 16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. 17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 18 For I know that in me (that is , in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. 19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do . 20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. 22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

    There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be . 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. 12 Therefore , brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die : but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live . 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry , Abba, Father. 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God , and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together . 18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

    For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. 20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, 21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. 23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. 24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth , why doth he yet hope for ? 25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it. 26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought : but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God. 28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. 29 For whom he did foreknow , he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate , them he also called : and whom he called , them he also justified : and whom he justified , them he also glorified . 31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? 32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth . 34 Who is he that condemneth ? It is Christ that died , yea rather , that is risen again , who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36 As it is written , For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. 37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. 38 For I am persuaded , that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present , nor things to come , 39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

    I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost, 2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart. 3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: 4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; 5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. 6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect . For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called . 8 That is , They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. 9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come , and Sara shall have a son. 10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one , even by our father Isaac; 11 (For the children being not yet born , neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand , not of works, but of him that calleth Wink 12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. 13 As it is written , Jacob have I loved , but Esau have I hated . 14 What shall we say then ? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid . 15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy , and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion .

    So then it is not of him that willeth , nor of him that runneth , but of God that sheweth mercy . 17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up , that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. 18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth . 19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault ? For who hath resisted his will? 20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God ? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? 22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known , endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, 24 Even us, whom he hath called , not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? 25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved , which was not beloved . 26 And it shall come to pass , that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God. 27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved : 28 For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth. 29 And as Esaias said before , Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha. 30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. 31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone ; 33 As it is written , Behold , I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed .

    Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is , that they might be saved. 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth . 5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. 6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is , to bring Christ down from above:) 7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is , to bring up Christ again from the dead.) 8 But what saith it ? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is , the word of faith, which we preach ; 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved . 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith , Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed . 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved . 14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed ? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard ? and how shall they hear without a preacher ? 15 And how shall they preach , except they be sent ? as it is written , How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith , Lord, who hath believed our report? 17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. 18 But I say , Have they not heard ? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world. 19 But I say , Did not Israel know ? First Moses saith , I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you. 20 But Esaias is very bold , and saith , I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me. 21 But to Israel he saith , All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.

    I say then , Hath God cast away his people? God forbid . For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew . Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying , 3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life. 4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. 5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. 7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for ; but the election hath obtained it , and the rest were blinded 8 (According as it is written , God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see , and ears that they should not hear Wink unto this day. 9 And David saith , Let their table be made a snare , and a trap , and a stumblingblock , and a recompence unto them: 10 Let their eyes be darkened , that they may not see , and bow down their back alway. 11 I say then , Have they stumbled that they should fall ? God forbid : but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy . 12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? 13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: 14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them. 15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? 16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

    And if some of the branches be broken off , and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; 18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast , thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. 19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off , that I might be graffed in . 20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off , and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded , but fear : 21 For if God spared not the natural branches , take heed lest he also spare not thee. 22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell , severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off . 23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in : for God is able to graff them in again. 24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree? 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in . 26 And so all Israel shall be saved : as it is written , There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer , and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. 28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes : but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. 29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. 30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: 31 Even so have these also now not believed , that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy . 32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. 33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! 34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor? 35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again ? 36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever.

    I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. 3 For I say , through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think ; but to think soberly , according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. 4 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office: 5 So we , being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another. 6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith; 7 Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth , on teaching; 8 Or he that exhorteth , on exhortation: he that giveth , let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth , with diligence; he that sheweth mercy , with cheerfulness. 9 Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good. 10 Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another; 11 Not slothful in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord; 12 Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer; 13 Distributing to the necessity of saints; given to hospitality. 14 Bless them which persecute you: bless , and curse not. 15 Rejoice with them that do rejoice , and weep with them that weep . 16 Be of the same mind one toward another . Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits. 17 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men. 18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. 19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written , Vengeance is mine; I will repay , saith the Lord. 20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger , feed him; if he thirst , give him drink : for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. 21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

    Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God : the powers that be are ordained of God. 2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: 4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid ; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. 5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject , not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. 6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing. 7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour. 8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery , Thou shalt not kill , Thou shalt not steal , Thou shalt not bear false witness , Thou shalt not covet ; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. 11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed . 12 The night is far spent , the day is at hand : let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light. 13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying. 14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfill the lusts thereof.

    Him that is weak in the faith receive ye , but not to doubtful disputations. 2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak , eateth herbs. 3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth : for God hath received him. 4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth . Yea, he shall be holden up : for God is able to make him stand . 5 One man esteemeth one day above another : another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth , eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks ; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks . 7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. 8 For whether we live , we live unto the Lord; and whether we die , we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die , we are the Lord's. 9 For to this end Christ both died , and rose , and revived , that he might be Lord both of the dead and living . 10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11 For it is written , As I live , saith the Lord , every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. 12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. 13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way. 14 I know , and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean. 15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably . Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died . 16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of : 17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. 18 For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men. 19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another. 20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence. 21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth , or is offended , or is made weak . 22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth . 23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat , because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

    We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves. 2 Let every one of us please his neighbour for his good to edification. 3 For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written , The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me. 4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope. 5 Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus: 6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. 7 Wherefore receive ye one another, as Christ also received us to the glory of God. 8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers: 9 And that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written , For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name. 10 And again he saith , Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people. 11 And again, Praise the Lord, all ye Gentiles; and laud him, all ye people. 12 And again, Esaias saith , There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust . 13 Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing , that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost. 14 And I myself also am persuaded of you, my brethren, that ye also are full of goodness, filled with all knowledge, able also to admonish one another. 15 Nevertheless, brethren, I have written the more boldly unto you in some sort, as putting you in mind , because of the grace that is given to me of God, 16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.

    I have therefore whereof I may glory through Jesus Christ in those things which pertain to God. 18 For I will not dare to speak of any of those things which Christ hath not wrought by me, to make the Gentiles obedient, by word and deed, 19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ. 20 Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel , not where Christ was named , lest I should build upon another man's foundation: 21 But as it is written , To whom he was not spoken of, they shall see : and they that have not heard shall understand . 22 For which cause also I have been much hindered from coming to you. 23 But now having no more place in these parts, and having a great desire these many years to come unto you; 24 Whensoever I take my journey into Spain, I will come to you: for I trust to see you in my journey , and to be brought on my way thitherward by you, if first I be somewhat filled with your company. 25 But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints. 26 For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem. 27 It hath pleased them verily; and their debtors they are . For if the Gentiles have been made partakers of their spiritual things, their duty is also to minister unto them in carnal things. 28 When therefore I have performed this, and have sealed to them this fruit, I will come by you into Spain. 29 And I am sure that, when I come unto you, I shall come in the fulness of the blessing of the gospel of Christ. 30 Now I beseech you, brethren, for the Lord Jesus Christ's sake, and for the love of the Spirit, that ye strive together with me in your prayers to God for me; 31 That I may be delivered from them that do not believe in Judaea; and that my service which I have for Jerusalem may be accepted of the saints; 32 That I may come unto you with joy by the will of God, and may with you be refreshed.

    I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ; 5 That in every thing ye are enriched by him, in all utterance, and in all knowledge; 6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you: 7 So that ye come behind in no * gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ: 8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord. 10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. 11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you. 12 Now this I say , that every one of you saith , I * am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. 13 Is Christ divided * ? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? 14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; 15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.

    And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other. 17 For Christ sent me not to baptize , but to preach the gospel : not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect . 18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written , I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. 20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe . 22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: 23 But we preach Christ crucified , unto the Jews a stumblingblock *, and unto the Greeks foolishness; 24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. 25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. 26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: 27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; 28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised , hath God chosen , yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are : 29 That no * flesh should glory in his presence *. 30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us * wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: 31 That, according as it is written , He that glorieth , let him glory in the Lord.

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