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    Post  orthodoxymoron Mon Aug 25, 2014 8:51 am

    Consider:

    1. Genesis through Esther.
    2. Job through Malachi.
    3. Matthew through Revelation.

    Do these three groups teach the same things in different ways?
    Do these three groups teach different things?
    Does one group have veto-power over the other two?
    Does Group 2 support Group 1?
    Does Group 2 prophecy Group 3?

    I'm leaning toward the concept that Groups 1 and 3 are reformative -- and that Group 2 is normative. Once again -- I'm taking a closer look at the following:

    1. Job through Malachi (KJV).
    2. Prophets and Kings (Ellen White).
    3. Solomon: Pharaoh of Egypt (Ralph Ellis).
    4. Daniel (Desmond Ford).
    5. Christ's Object Lessons (Ellen White).
    6. 1928 Book of Common Prayer (and Liturgy).
    7. Sacred Classical Music.

    Compare the following:

    1. Deuteronomy.
    2. Psalms.
    3. Proverbs.
    4. Ecclesiastes.
    5. Isaiah.
    6. Matthew.
    7. John.
    8. Romans.
    9. Galatians.
    10. Hebrews.
    11. Revelation.

    What are the "Commandments of God"?? The "Ten Commandments"?? "Every Word That Proceeds Out of the Mouth of God"?? The Torah?? Deuteronomy?? The Teachings of Jesus?? The Pauline-Epistles?? The New Testament Rules?? Which Commandments Apply Only to the Jews?? Which Commandments Apply Only to the Gentiles?? Which Commandments Apply to Everyone?? If We Are Saved by the Human Sacrifice of Jesus Christ -- Do We Need to Keep the Commandments?? Jesus Seems to Link Salvation to Behavior. Paul Seems to Link Salvation to Faith in Christ Alone. Does Joshua Through Revelation Repeat and Reinforce Major Portions of the Torah?? It Seems As If One Can Make the Bible Say Whatever They Want It to Say. Is There a List of Rules Based Upon Job Through Malachi?? What Understandings Might Emerge If One Read Job Through Malachi Straight-Through Over and Over??


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    Post  RedEzra Tue Aug 26, 2014 5:12 am

    Love is never impersonal and always connected to consciousness and so consciousness is more than love. The universal consciousness is the I AM behind creation and is also intelligence else earth could not come into existence. In other words I AM is not impersonal but the most high Person in the universe. The universal I AM is what we call God who is more than love and also intelligence.

    That I AM told us the meaning of life and how to live it with the authority of being our Creator. There is no great mystery as to how the universe and everything in it came into being... I AM did it !
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    Post  RedEzra Thu Aug 28, 2014 4:21 am

    Noah's Ark has been found upon the mountains of Ararat and by the Dead Sea are the ashen remains of Sodom and Gomorrah. The exodus Red Sea crossing has been located and Moses met God on Mount Sinai in Saudi Arabia. Also the Ark of the Covenant in a cave at Calvary under the crucifixion site of Christ with His blood atonement.



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    Post  orthodoxymoron Thu Aug 28, 2014 10:49 am

    That looks like a cool video, RedEzra. I love documentaries -- and listening to researchers. I'm a lightweight compared to them. I particularly look for research relative to the Bible (both supportive and critical). I am presently interested in what the Whole-Bible does with the Torah -- and with how much support exists throughout the Whole-Bible regarding the Content of the Book of Revelation. I find the Torah and Revelation to be the most problematic portions of Sacred Scripture. To make it worse -- my Religious-Background has Everything to do with the Torah and Revelation. What Would Judeo-Christianity look-like if the Torah and Revelation Were Excluded?? What if the Book of Enoch Were Included?? BTW -- here's a video some of you might find interesting -- but I am not endorsing it.



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    Post  RedEzra Mon Sep 01, 2014 1:35 pm

    How was it possible that a Muslim got into the White House ? How did Islam end up governing the last stronghold of Christianity ? Socialism!

    Socialism got a Muslim into the White House and is the reason why Islam is now governing the US !

    This is of course terrible not only for JudeoChristianity but the whole world because Socialism is the cold blooded mass murderer of the 20th century as in National Socialism AKA Nazism and International Socialism AKA Communism.

    It is no secret that National Socialism AKA Nazism in Germany was funded by strong US interests and after WWII Nazis were shipped to the US en masse in Operation Paperclip. And especially CIA got a lot of Nazis as did NASA and more. Interesting to note that the current CIA director is also a convert to Islam. And Islam also got an ally in International Socialism AKA Communism.

    So Socialism and Islam are best of buddies and that must be why Socialist Europe suddenly mass imported Muslims since Islam for about a thousand years did not manage to conquer Christian Europe.

    Now the awake and aware reader may understand that Islam and Socialism are buddies because they both got a common enemy in JudeoChristianity. And so Israel is now the last stronghold of true religion as Islam is just a virulent mind virus which will kill it's host and Socialism is just Big Gov of godlessness.

    How does it feel world to be governed by a combination of militant Islam and Atheism ? The common denominator is militant and so you just know there will be a WWIII. And this time with nukes ! You see the upper echelons of Freemasonry which is pulling the strings of both Socialism and Islam has decided that humanity is just too much hassle and too many to control.

    Yes world we have descended into this... God help us all !



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    Post  orthodoxymoron Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:39 pm

    I've come to the conclusion that all religions and governmental-systems are problematic (some more than others) -- and I guess I'm attempting to positively-reinforce everyone and everything -- but it's not going so well. I keep wondering if the right kind of analysis of the Ancient Star Wars Hypothesis might be Most Revealing regarding our Present Predicament. I've placed a lot of controversial material in close proximity in my United States of the Solar System thread -- but there hasn't been much proper analysis and commentary (by me or anyone else). That thread seems to me to be a Sleeping-Giant. My brain and emotions are fried -- and I wish I were kidding. I'm stuck in a rut I can't seem to get out of -- and things are getting worse and worse for me. I keep getting the feeling that the Secret-Government decides what is going to happen in this Solar System (decades or centuries in advance) -- and implements their will and way with a very extensive and entrenched network (regardless of whether anyone likes it or not). Most of us just seem to be along for the ride. Exposing the "Bastards" might not change a whole-lot. They probably simply morph into another modality -- and continue their agenda with different front men and women. Learning the "Truth" might just make us miserable -- without changing much. I run "Passive-Resistance" against "The Way Things Are" -- but this is probably just "Mental-Masturbation" wherein I delude myself into thinking I'm doing something that matters. I think the whole Nazi-Phenomenon should be exhaustively-studied by the Best and the Brightest -- but I have no idea where this sort of thing might lead. Perhaps there really is a Good-Side and a Bad-Side to that Historical-Horror. What if they had simply expelled the Jews from Germany (without harming any of them)?? What if they had simply Unified Europe (and had not gone into North-Africa and Russia)?? What if they had NOT gone to war?? I heard that was the original plan. What if they had NOT experimented on anyone (or exterminated anyone -- other than in battle situations)?? I could go on and on -- but this line of thinking deeply frightens me. The Horror.


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    Post  RedEzra Tue Sep 02, 2014 1:43 pm

    All one needs to know about where the world is going is found in the last book of the Bible. War famine plagues extreme weather death and destruction.

    Not so very bright future but what can the world expect when it got a just God ? Now if one thinks God thinks it is a light thing to mock His Son who paid the prize for our crimes so as to save our souls from hell... then think again.
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    Post  RedEzra Tue Sep 02, 2014 3:19 pm

    God is the most high Person people and even angels are higher than humans. There is a whole invisible world out there aethereal and eternal where God and angels operate in as efficient as fish in water or birds in the air.

    This is not fantasy but reality and if one misses this fact then one may as well color the rainbow with a blue pen.
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Tue Sep 02, 2014 9:10 pm

    Consider studying:

    1. Job through Daniel (KJV).
    2. Luke through Galatians (KJV).


    Then, consider studying:

    1. Genesis through Deuteronomy (KJV).
    2. The Book of Revelation (KJV).


    I still think that the Bible is not pure and undefiled -- and that it takes a hell of a lot of studying, weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth -- to get at the real truth of what's going on in this solar system. Once again -- consider studying Prophets and Kings (by Ellen White) in the context of Babylon 5. There's more to this concept than you might think. I prefer the Red-Group rather than the Blue-Group (especially in modernity). This is a Spiritual-War in which I wish to screw no one. From my perspective, this is a War on Behalf of Everyone.


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    Post  RedEzra Wed Sep 03, 2014 4:27 am

    Isaac Newton spent a lot of time on the Bible and came to the conclusion that Jesus would return 49 years after the Jews got control of Jerusalem based on "until Messiah the Prince" prophecy in the book of Daniel.

    Since Jesus said He would return "like a thief" then that probably means the world will not be prepared when the King of Heaven is coming to take something away from the earth. And since "the dead in Christ will rise first" then this event may be the resurrection of righteous dead everywhere and the ushering in of Daniel's 70th and last week seven years also known as the Apocalypse in the last book of the Bible.

    How many on earth now expect the soon return of Jesus ? Just about nobody !

    "Look I come like a thief !" - Revelation 16:15
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    Post  RedEzra Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:23 am

    God the Creator of heavens and earth and the Maker of angels humans and animals did not leave us in the dark concerning our origin and destiny. God did not intend that we depend on Joe or Jenny from the block for existential information. No God intended Joe and Jane and all of us to read His words which He has compiled into what we call the Bible.

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    Post  RedEzra Wed Sep 03, 2014 2:06 pm

    I AM the way the truth and the life




    I AM Jesus I AM God

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    Post  RedEzra Fri Sep 05, 2014 6:19 am

    God is Spirit so who is this Spirit that can make a universe and fill an earth with forms of intelligent life ?

    This Spirit is obviously very capable and creative with a keen sense of organisation order and details. And if this sounds like a person it is because we were made in the image of this Spirit.

    We cannot create but since we are creative we can use what the Spirit has created and make stuff.

    There is a lot of thinking going on about this and that but the Spirit did not intend that we listen to the guesswork of Joe and Jane.

    So pick up the Bible and read what the Spirit says !
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:37 am

    I continue to be very apprehensive toward Genesis through Esther -- and the Book of Revelation -- especially regarding ethics. A Loving Creator-God does not seem to be appropriately represented in these 18 books. There may be a context which explains and justifies the conquest, mass-murder, etc. -- but where is it?? I find it much more inspiring to read Patriarchs and Prophets -- Prophets and Kings -- and Desire of Ages (all by Ellen White) -- even though I have huge problems with the overall writings of Ellen White. I would simply expect that whoever created the Human Brain and Eye could put together a more convincing and inspiring record of their activities and requirements than that which is found in the Holy Bible (as we know it). I am presently looking closely at the following books of the Bible (KJV) for guidance. I wonder what a system of ethics, law, law-enforcement, and the military might look like -- based upon these 16 books?!

    1. Job.
    2. Psalms.
    3. Proverbs.
    4. Ecclesiastes.
    5. Song of Songs.
    6. Isaiah.
    7. Jeremiah.
    8. Lamentations.
    9. Luke.
    10. John.
    11. Acts.
    12. Romans.
    13. I Corinthians.
    14. II Corinthians.
    15. Galatians.
    16. Hebrews.

    My plan is to read these 16 books straight-through -- over and over -- for the rest of my life -- regardless of what challenges materialize (legitimate or illegitimate) -- as a mental and spiritual exercise -- from which I might extrapolate that which is most appropriate in modernity. What if most or all of the above are Wisdom-Literature and/or Historical-Fiction?? Might it be wise to start with that assumption -- and then look for evidences which might make these books more than literature and/or fiction?? Should Jesus be sold like soap in mega-churches?? You know what I'm talking about.


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    Post  RedEzra Fri Sep 05, 2014 4:55 pm

    We got the knowledge of good and evil and are free to pursue good or venture into evil. And when we die we will end up where we belong. Good go up to God and evil down to the devil.

    Sin separates us from God but because God paid the price for our crimes on the cross it is possible for us to be forgiven when we repent and stop sinning. There is no greater love than to lay down one's life so others may live. So God not only talks about love but actually proves love !

    Do not forget the machinations of the devil and his angels corrupting the human genome in the hope that God would not be born into the human line to cover for the crimes of humanity. If God was not born as a Man to take our blame then we would die in our own sins and end up in hell.
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Fri Sep 05, 2014 11:59 pm

    1. Job.
    2. Psalms.
    3. Proverbs.
    4. Ecclesiastes.
    5. Song of Songs.
    6. Isaiah.
    7. Jeremiah.
    8. Lamentations.
    9. Luke.
    10. John.
    11. Acts.
    12. Romans.
    13. I Corinthians.
    14. II Corinthians.
    15. Galatians.
    16. Hebrews.


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    Post  RedEzra Sun Sep 07, 2014 6:03 am

    Vitamins and values are essential to the well being of both body and soul. Charity compassion love truth righteousness are all important for the health of our soul. And when we don't foster those values in ourselves and our progenies then humanity shall become a society of sick souls.

    Only sick souls will say good values are vain imaginations when in fact they are the very source and force of our soul.



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    Post  orthodoxymoron Sun Sep 07, 2014 10:53 am

    How much of the Torah is found in those 16 Books of the Bible (8 Old-Testament and 8 New-Testament)?? Imagine a Heavily-Edited 1928 Book of Common Prayer with those 16 Books printed in their entirety (instead of just the Psalms)!! Which portions of the Torah apply to both Jews and Gentiles in Modernity??


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    Post  RedEzra Sun Sep 07, 2014 12:57 pm

    orthodoxymoron wrote:Which portions of the Torah apply to both Jews and Gentiles in Modernity??

    The New Testament applies to both Jews and Gentiles today and that is why we measure time before and after Christ.

    So what is the New Testament ? It is the fulfillment of the Old Testament and the will of God who atoned for our sins so our crimes could be forgiven.


    "Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, and He said to them, 'Thus it is written, that the Christ would suffer and rise again from the dead the third day, and that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem.'" - Luke 24:45-47
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Sun Sep 07, 2014 8:52 pm

    Sherry Shriner bashes Paul -- and supports the Torah, Yeshua, and the Book of Revelation. She ridicules using the name "Jesus". She says that Matthew is her favorite Book of the Bible -- yet she rarely talks about it on her show. A lot of the time theology seems like a deceptive mealy-mouthed shell-game of Monopoly on God. If one relies strictly upon the New Testament it is difficult to support Church-Attendance (as we know it) on Saturday or Sunday. When I spoke with Dr. Walter Martin about the Sabbath -- he said that observing ANY Day was Biblical. He told me that he didn't have a problem with Seventh-day Adventists observing the Saturday-Sabbath -- but he DID have a problem with SDA's making such a Big-Deal about it. The Sabbath can be sort of a snob-thing (rife with spiritual-pride). It was originally a separatist-sign for God's Chosen People. I rather like the concept of reading those 16 Books of the Bible straight-through (over and over) -- day after day -- week after week -- month after month -- year after year -- with or without church membership and attendance. It's sort of a "Works-Trip" without the "Works"!! Here are four versions of the Four Gospels:

    1. Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.
    2. Luke, John, Acts, and Romans.
    3. Work, War, Wealth -- and the Worship of the God of Work, War, and Wealth.
    4. Baseball, Football, Jeopardy, and Wheel of Fortune.

    From my casual observations, I'd say that the last two versions are MUCH more popular than the first two. I can't seem to beat them -- so should I join them???


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    Post  RedEzra Mon Sep 08, 2014 5:36 am

    orthodoxymoron wrote:The Sabbath can be sort of a snob-thing (rife with spiritual-pride). It was originally a separatist-sign for God's Chosen People.


    The Sabbath is the last day in the week from Friday evening sunset to Saturday evening sunset when the children of Israel are to rest from work and contemplate on God. There is also in Israel a Sabbath year for the agricultural land from the first day of Tishrei (Sept/Oct) to the last day of Elul (Sept/Oct) every seventh year.

    One of the reasons in the Bible for the Babylonian captivity besides general sin was not keeping this seventh year Sabbath for the land and so the Jews spent 70 years in exile to make up for it. Some time before this the ten tribes of the northern kingdom of Israel were already assimilated into the Assyrian empire.

    God was to be born into the line of Israel and so God raised Israel as a godly nation but as we know this was no easy task and in fact a struggle as the very name Israel ("struggle with God") suggests.

    But behold God became a Man and covered for the crimes of man and so there is help healing and forgiveness for all of us in the Name of Jesus Christ. Being born into a Jewish family God was of course called Yeshua which means "I Am Savior" but it is perfectly alright to call Him by the name of our own language which in English is Jesus.

    Church is a congregation of Christians who ought to praise and pray to Christ for help healing forgiveness and deliverance from demonic forces and if you can find such a church today then count yourselves lucky.


    "Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you." - Matthew 7:7
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Mon Sep 08, 2014 10:11 am

    What is the New-Testament Law of God?? What is the Old-Testament Law of God?? What was the Pre-Exodus Law of God?? What was the Pre-Genesis Law of God?? What is the Law of God Outside of Earth?? Does the Law of God change from Age to Age -- from Race to Race -- and from Solar System to Solar System?? Is the Law in the Gospels the same as the Law in Romans and/or the Law in Galatians?? What are the Commandments of God in the Book of Revelation?? I think that Ethics and Law are Central to Governance and Religion. I continue to be interested in what each Book of the Bible does with the First Five Books of the Bible. I continue to be interested in the Ethical and Legal Aspects of the Substitutionary Atonement. I've recently commenced studying International-Law and Space-Law -- and I'm considering the Law of God relative to Roman-Catholic Canon-Law. I'm also interested in the Law of God relative to Human-Freedom and the Sovereignty of God.


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    Post  RedEzra Mon Sep 08, 2014 12:30 pm

    The law of God is to love God above all and next our neighbour without committing fornication sodomy adultery and also not to kill lie steal and cheat.

    When we have broken one of those laws then we deserve death and hell but God died and went to hell for us and so we are forgiven when we repent. Do not forget that God rose again the third day and went up to Heaven.

    If we refuse to stop sinning we will surely end up in hell.
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Mon Sep 08, 2014 3:55 pm

    Will all be well with the souls of those who commit torture, mass-murder, and genocide in the Book of Revelation??


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