My take on tuban material

Information is not fantasy

I do have an issue with those that force their ideas or fantasies into one and try to convince one is wrong

Why not let people choose to come to you rather than proselytize?

Why is wrong to disagree with the Thuban material?

Aren't my ideas as valuable?

We live within the sacred sphere of source, all is sacred. Ideas though can be rather destructive. Think Hitler for example but there are worse examples. Is it worthy to share Hitler’s ideas? In my opinion no, the man was mentally ill

How can we know for sure whether a channeler is or is not schizophrenic? We can't

mudra wrote:

devakas wrote:
take your sincere and honest shot.

A " shot " at Thuban ?
Aren't there enough narrow minded wars going around that we have now to start a new one ?

SImple in form is best for me and therefore I am finding it hard to relate to Tony's long posts that I mostly
don't understand.
This does'nt prevent me however to have lived peacefully with the Thubanese from day one.

Love from me
mudra

A " shot " at Thuban ?

JesterTerrestrial wrote:

devakas wrote:I got impression that there are many christian secs that claim that other christian sects are leading people to hell and only their christian sect will get into heaven. Other christian sects to be evil and demonic. Many protestants consider the catholic pope to be literally the anticrist. So there are christians that expect other christians to be following the antichrist and go to hell and if there is non christian religion there do not expect to fare any better. The same confusion about morning star or light or lucifer.

To much confusion I see in your point. :)

Oh well this mess on planet earth was confusing much before we arrived and i guess you could say we are back to smash a few things like many of the false teachings in all religions not just Christianity. Have you ever met the devil? Do you want to? lol

devaks wrote:Raven, I am wondering how many drank in the mists by your wiskey?

In a few days I will create a forum survey if it is time to move tuban snake=thought materials to Crap Thread. This would be appropriate to know how many are intoxicated with middle eastern local mythology that spread through human deseased material world. 3 main systems were brainwashing people with deep own dogma about special people and etc. Theachings that are based on mental concontion. Not peaceful phylosophy Moses created for the little group of people. Other main stories on the top of that. This only shows how ignorant can be religion that do not except other groups of people on this planet. Deep in their own dogma they spread the jewish mythology without questioning. How weak mentaly person can be? We know what you are – a man TonyRaven RavenTony he she lost in Middle Eastern jewish mythology and dogma, and desperate that we become as lost in it as you. Tubans do not teach humans of humbleness and grace instead it is the perfect example of the ugniless of this midset locked in middle eastern mythology.

it is nothing scientific when it is based on mental speculations.
http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t148p165-gfl-debate-thread#81568

OH YA REALY...WELL THAT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF MENTAL SPECULATIONS OF YOUR OWN AND ITS OBVIOUS TO ME THAT THEY ARE MISGUIDED THOUGHT FORMS!!! SO THEN WHERE IS YOUR WORK? PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT IS HAPPENING UPON PLANET EARTH THAT IS CAUSING THE LOVE AND LIGHT ASSENSION IN NOT ONLY THE MIDDLE EAST BUT THE BEGINNING EAST AND THE END EAST!!! OMG! YOU ARE JEWISH DOGMA!!! LOL

orthodoxymoron wrote: Unrelatedly, I wonder what Anchor would say at this point in the game?? Where is Anchor?? Does anyone know??

malletzky wrote:What's wrong with you people? With all due respect to all of you, but these "controversial" discussions and takes abot the Thuban material are an ongoing process for 3 years now.

If you like...I understand the Thuban material mostly, as I have done my homework in the last years, read almost all of it and it is my decission what to make of it.

Before starting such threads, why not do the same, if there's such interest?

malletzky wrote:Isn't it time to stop this madness? The one who like to discuss about the Thuban material, why don't you go to the Thuban Forum dierctly and ask your questions directly?

malletzky wrote:Why starting here such threads and ask for the takes of the other? Is it importnat what do I think of Thuban? Whom it is important?

SuiGeneris wrote:

malletzky wrote:Why starting here such threads and ask for the takes of the other? Is it importnat what do I think of Thuban? Whom it is important?

I understand your frustration here Mall, and I know what you mean when you ask about the importance on the opinion others have on us, and you're right in a way ~ but let us also remember that as much as gnosis is found individually, you will find that other people's opinions are also important as they can trigger a remembrance or can help make or break an already preconceived idea you may already have in your mind. Ultimately, this is the reason for "sharing data" in the first place... it is part of a huge mechanism found at the bottom of a great war going on in the unseen world...this is the great war of ideas...of the memes.
But to share is not the same as to evangelize, isn't it? I understand that completely. No one likes to have "medicine" shoved down their throat, no matter what the flavor.

I still like to look at ourselves as a family of sorts though; a coven…call me a hopeless romantic. We found each other on the original Q&A thread back in Avalon and there was this invisible force that initially pulled us all together. Allegiances were formed; even Love seemed to find its way between some of us. *sighs* Things have never really been easy with us, treating others or among ourselves, but I bet none of us would even think of erasing the time we’ve known each other or regretted what we’ve learned. I know I don’t.
I am an eternal student, therefore, I always valued other people’s honest opinions. (which is not the same as “caring” for it in the sense of letting it get to me) And since that seems to be something very hard to come by these days, I invite you all to look inside yourselves without any fear and indeed “give it your best shot”.

mudra wrote:

It is important to remember we are all unique beings in the first place independant
of the groups we take part in. Our differences and the multitude of viewpoints is
what allows beliefs to breathe in and out and evolve, to change and mature, to find balance and poise.
The whole is Life itself reflecting in the diversity.

As Mooji would say it's a horrible thing to " Know " .. its limited .
It's unlimited to " Be ".
A little twist of consciousness, a change of perspective and you begin to see from the infinite self.


mudra

Floyd wrote:



There are many roads up the mountain and no one group or religion or philosopy has the map to the way up to the top. Knowledge is one thing as you say mudras but understanding is something else then there is experience. I suppose we can choose a complex path or a simple path. Both are valid only if they get you to your destination and when you reach the top it doesnt matter how you got there.
It may well be that the mountain even disapperars from under your feet.

There are methods for all kinds of shapes and sizes.

devakas wrote:

A " shot " at Thuban ?

no mudra

take your sincere and honest shot

Beren wrote:...

We are God's children in way of becoming God itself.

SuiGeneris wrote:

malletzky wrote:What's wrong with you people? With all due respect to all of you, but these "controversial" discussions and takes abot the Thuban material are an ongoing process for 3 years now.

If you like...I understand the Thuban material mostly, as I have done my homework in the last years, read almost all of it and it is my decission what to make of it.

Before starting such threads, why not do the same, if there's such interest?

This issue with the "Thuban material" has been dealt with in the past but was actually never resolved nor dissected enough to be properly understood. Let's think about why that is for a minute, I mean why does this animosity lingers for so long? It's true that Tony's posts are long (some need to be), he also quotes a lot of scripture and I know most dislike that too, but I don't think that is it at all. My take is that deep down it has more to do with a distaste of our own individual personalities than anything else. That is… our “attitude”. So if I may, I’ll try to clarify why I think it is erroneous to refer to us as “The Thubans” as a group, thinking that we all share the same opinions in everything and everyone, and also will give you a rundown of what this “Thuban material” really is and is not – from an insider’s perspective.

Controversy is not always negative, especially if it leads to the discovery of something new, but the reason why Thuban has always been shadowed by it, is because 1. disagreement with the "norm"...or a twist which most would incorrectly render as "evil", and 2. because not all Thubans agree with each other. Iow, we are not a one body entity who thinks as one, but rather many entities with different views found under the same roof who agree on a common goal.

The material itself is too dense and encompasses so much, that to make a poll like this is not only tricky but hints on an underlying desire to polarize and ultimately keep Thuban out of whatever "club" this is supposed to be. And that's ok by me, since we ourselves do not form any "club" anyway...hardly. So it reads: "Are you in with the Thubans? Yes or No?" The only thing something as banal as this can provide, is proof of how much information is still scary for most. There’s not even an attempt to go deep into the issues. Excuses abound, especially when it comes to “evil thubans”.
And why did I say it is too dense? Is it because we like to complicate things? No. One reason is due to the fact that what you guys understand as being "Thuban material", is nothing more than a specific point of view on each and every subject there is. It is a slant/a take, but not even then it is ABSOLUTE.

In the end, it is a "cosmology" that each one of us found ourselves agreeing with at least to some degree. Tony translated information to us that otherwise individually we were still unable to decode, but most importantly, provided a bridge for us to use in the form of a templated pattern of thought. In other words, he tried to show us a new way of thinking, not WHAT to think. Not for his self aggrandizement so that we would all bow down to him and worship him as a guru, but to break the mold of an ever pressing stagnation of ideas in finding ways to deal with the intangible and the "impossible".
It was also the right time.

This is how I personally always viewed both him as well as our already famous "contentious" material. But to be fair and give the benefit of the doubt, let us also consider that a thread like this one can also be beneficial for something, and that can be for instance to hear what others have to say on the matter (if they manage to stay on topic), in order to form ourselves a more detailed outlook on an already fastidious but nonetheless still mysterious subject.

Another reason ppl find it so complex, is due to our lingo and syntax. But this you already knew. It's true that things can be said in many different ways, but there are some concepts found higher-d that are simply too hard to fit in our primitive 3D language, and depending upon who is doing the talking, you will unavoidably get stuck with their own unique "translation". And as with everything else, it is then up to each one of you to interpret it as best you can. Tony is above all, a scientist, a mathematician...a decoder; and his posts will read accordingly. Having said that, I’ve also seen him explain things in a much simpler way through simpler stories and metaphors when necessary, depending upon who is talking to him one on one.

To go back to this "poll" thinguie, we Thubans already know most will say no (whatever that "no" means), but do they really know what they're saying no or yes to? Feels more like the thumbs up or thumbs down decision back at the Colosseum does it not? Still, it will only be based on your idea of what it means to be a Thuban and what our common "beliefs" are to be… and nothing more. How do I know? Because aside from Tony and Raven, who obviously seem to agree on most things, we each have a different concept of what a Thuban or a Dragon is to be, not to mention we do not all agree 100% on all the material that gets posted and published under the Thuban label. And this is something that not even those who currently find themselves associated with us keeps in mind necessarily or even deems important. So, ultimately, there is no real consensus as to what all “Thubans” need to know about our own material or even how much of it we need to understand ourselves in order to be called one.
With time, it became more of a unique stance on life, an energy imprint if you will….a frequency. “Dragon” became a title that needed only to be self-administered...if you dared, but never taken lightly. Concepts like honor and loyalty became a pre -requisite if you wanted to “walk the talk”.

So here is the lowdown: Once the Core members found each other (who can be counted with one hand), we knew instinctively through our interaction that we were working towards the same goal, and began to proactively put our skills together in order to materialize our ideas into being. Yes BEING. We not only talked about it or spent hours theorizing as to how it would be if we did this or that….we did it, and there was no way that we could’ve avoided living our theories because our hearts were already compromised. More often than not, failure was also part of this process, but perseverance or being “hard headed” is another Dragon characteristic. Passion, desire, even anger and hatred…all of our emotions became entwined with our logical mind and became our fuel for our own individual transformations.

Meanwhile, a great part of the real “Thuban material” has been and is still being kept under closed doors mainly for two reasons. Not because we particularly like the secrecy, or because we wish to mimic the cabal or any secret society; but first, because these are issues seen as taboo for outsiders, issues that whenever we but hinted at trying to pursue, we found ourselves threatened, bans were issued and threads were either closed, hidden or outright deleted altogether. We tried on Avalon, we tried on Camelot, as well as on some of the other more “serious” forums out there. We even tried here…same result. And second, because we work under the premise that whoever wishes to know information should make the effort to come to it, it doesn’t work the other way around.
For the Mods here, please don’t take any of the above as criticism. I understand each house has its own “laws” and set of rules, I am only pointing out that our material is still difficult to understand due to a lack of open exchange on the most important issues. So what did we do? We simply kept what we could salvage on our own forums which are not surprisingly not very active and which we mostly use as a form of library to preserve data.
So you all think independently? Really?
Yes really. Therefore, what unites us, believe it or not, is not so much our common “intellectual affinities”, but rather our similar disgust for falseness and lack of original thought.

I’ll give you a perfect example. Post #11 on this thread by Aquaries1111.
Knowing that Spruz is nothing but a library, and that most members of this forum won’t go there for a real discussion she couldn’t let the perfect opportunity pass to further damage the name of Thuban. By bringing what she considers to be self-incriminating on these Skype chats out in the open, into a forum like this one that has more traffic. I am aware that for most people; “Dragons” sound too arrogant, self assured and even pedantic in the way they refer to other members, and the superiority they must feel over anyone non-thuban doesn’t sit well with anyone individually or any line of thought whatsoever. She wants to display what she sees as “our” weakness for the whole world to see so that they (readers at large) won’t be deceived. For how can people who ridicule and laugh behind other people’s backs ever be truly trusted? She thinks she is unearthing a great secret… How Thubans – ALL Thubans---really feel for the members of that forum. Even towards those members with whom the Dragons exchanged in a polite and civilized manner going back to the time of the old Avalon; because, after all….."they all must think the same." This is the inception. very subtle, almost unnoticeable, but very strong nonetheless and more dangerous than an direct strike.

And by doing this perhaps she honestly feels she is doing society at large a big favor; that ironically, she is helping to “ban the falseness” acting as a spy by positioning herself in what she sees as two conflicting bands at the same time. Ironically, she still won’t be removed from our Skype main chatroom even at the request of some of our members who more than disliked her extracting their words from our chat into here and who complained about it. Her excuse in the past has been that she is merely “sharing” public information because Tony already published these convos on our Spruz library and therefore it is “public record”. But I won’t be fooled and I see it for what it is. At least for me, honesty is way more important than to try to get people lost with “technicalities” in order to obscure a hidden intent.

All in all it comes down to this: People have lost interest in the message, for being distracted by our prevailing “nasty” attitude. I've heard people call Tony/Raven: oppositional, deluded or referring to all Thubans as a whole as suffering from some sort of "collective dementia", call it what you will, pick your favorite label and you'll always find opportunists like Aquaries who are only happy to take advantage of an already sorry situation to further cause more disruption and damage. That's "human nature" for you. Perhaps reason why I am no longer interested in humans.

malletzky wrote:Isn't it time to stop this madness? The one who like to discuss about the Thuban material, why don't you go to the Thuban Forum dierctly and ask your questions directly?

The madness that you refer to Mall will never stop...it only gets worse with time. Especially now...at this time of compression.
By now most of you know we have a few forums of our own and even that some of us have been banned from some other, let's say... less "open-minded" forums as well. But that doesn't mean we have been made mute, or that we can't respond to or comment on something that catches our attention…even if it’s amongst ourselves. But maybe all this "our" and "we" talk begs to be clarified a little bit.
Most of you may think you know how a Thuban thinks, but honestly I doubt it. It gets...complicated. But to simplify, I can say that most of us agree only on what can be called "the basics" and perhaps the end goal. That’s it. Everything else in between as to how you get to the end point or...your "path" is up to each one, and I like to think that everyone respects each other's view on this. In essence Tony always says: "live and let live" or "to each their own". However, when we feel we need to say something we say it, and that's when the controversy begins. But why is that? Is it because of what he or Raven say or of how they say it? And I mention them both because most of what you guys find "controversial" comes mostly from their posts.

malletzky wrote:Why starting here such threads and ask for the takes of the other? Is it importnat what do I think of Thuban? Whom it is important?

I understand your frustration here Mall, and I know what you mean when you ask about the importance on the opinion others have on us, and you're right in a way ~ but let us also remember that as much as gnosis is found individually, you will find that other people's opinions are also important as they can trigger a remembrance or can help make or break an already preconceived idea you may already have in your mind. Ultimately, this is the reason for "sharing data" in the first place... it is part of a huge mechanism found at the bottom of a great war going on in the unseen world...this is the great war of ideas...of the memes.
But to share is not the same as to evangelize, isn't it? I understand that completely. No one likes to have "medicine" shoved down their throat, no matter what the flavor.

I still like to look at ourselves as a family of sorts though; a coven…call me a hopeless romantic. We found each other on the original Q&A thread back in Avalon and there was this invisible force that initially pulled us all together. Allegiances were formed; even Love seemed to find its way between some of us. *sighs* Things have never really been easy with us, treating others or among ourselves, but I bet none of us would even think of erasing the time we’ve known each other or regretted what we’ve learned. I know I don’t.
I am an eternal student, therefore, I always valued other people’s honest opinions. (which is not the same as “caring” for it in the sense of letting it get to me) And since that seems to be something very hard to come by these days, I invite you all to look inside yourselves without any fear and indeed “give it your best shot”.

We Are You wrote:

SuiGeneris wrote:

malletzky wrote:What's wrong with you people? With all due respect to all of you, but these "controversial" discussions and takes abot the Thuban material are an ongoing process for 3 years now.

If you like...I understand the Thuban material mostly, as I have done my homework in the last years, read almost all of it and it is my decission what to make of it.

Before starting such threads, why not do the same, if there's such interest?

This issue with the "Thuban material" has been dealt with in the past but was actually never resolved nor dissected enough to be properly understood. Let's think about why that is for a minute, I mean why does this animosity lingers for so long? It's true that Tony's posts are long (some need to be), he also quotes a lot of scripture and I know most dislike that too, but I don't think that is it at all. My take is that deep down it has more to do with a distaste of our own individual personalities than anything else. That is… our “attitude”. So if I may, I’ll try to clarify why I think it is erroneous to refer to us as “The Thubans” as a group, thinking that we all share the same opinions in everything and everyone, and also will give you a rundown of what this “Thuban material” really is and is not – from an insider’s perspective.

Controversy is not always negative, especially if it leads to the discovery of something new, but the reason why Thuban has always been shadowed by it, is because 1. disagreement with the "norm"...or a twist which most would incorrectly render as "evil", and 2. because not all Thubans agree with each other. Iow, we are not a one body entity who thinks as one, but rather many entities with different views found under the same roof who agree on a common goal.

The material itself is too dense and encompasses so much, that to make a poll like this is not only tricky but hints on an underlying desire to polarize and ultimately keep Thuban out of whatever "club" this is supposed to be. And that's ok by me, since we ourselves do not form any "club" anyway...hardly. So it reads: "Are you in with the Thubans? Yes or No?" The only thing something as banal as this can provide, is proof of how much information is still scary for most. There’s not even an attempt to go deep into the issues. Excuses abound, especially when it comes to “evil thubans”.
And why did I say it is too dense? Is it because we like to complicate things? No. One reason is due to the fact that what you guys understand as being "Thuban material", is nothing more than a specific point of view on each and every subject there is. It is a slant/a take, but not even then it is ABSOLUTE.

In the end, it is a "cosmology" that each one of us found ourselves agreeing with at least to some degree. Tony translated information to us that otherwise individually we were still unable to decode, but most importantly, provided a bridge for us to use in the form of a templated pattern of thought. In other words, he tried to show us a new way of thinking, not WHAT to think. Not for his self aggrandizement so that we would all bow down to him and worship him as a guru, but to break the mold of an ever pressing stagnation of ideas in finding ways to deal with the intangible and the "impossible".
It was also the right time.

This is how I personally always viewed both him as well as our already famous "contentious" material. But to be fair and give the benefit of the doubt, let us also consider that a thread like this one can also be beneficial for something, and that can be for instance to hear what others have to say on the matter (if they manage to stay on topic), in order to form ourselves a more detailed outlook on an already fastidious but nonetheless still mysterious subject.

Another reason ppl find it so complex, is due to our lingo and syntax. But this you already knew. It's true that things can be said in many different ways, but there are some concepts found higher-d that are simply too hard to fit in our primitive 3D language, and depending upon who is doing the talking, you will unavoidably get stuck with their own unique "translation". And as with everything else, it is then up to each one of you to interpret it as best you can. Tony is above all, a scientist, a mathematician...a decoder; and his posts will read accordingly. Having said that, I’ve also seen him explain things in a much simpler way through simpler stories and metaphors when necessary, depending upon who is talking to him one on one.

To go back to this "poll" thinguie, we Thubans already know most will say no (whatever that "no" means), but do they really know what they're saying no or yes to? Feels more like the thumbs up or thumbs down decision back at the Colosseum does it not? Still, it will only be based on your idea of what it means to be a Thuban and what our common "beliefs" are to be… and nothing more. How do I know? Because aside from Tony and Raven, who obviously seem to agree on most things, we each have a different concept of what a Thuban or a Dragon is to be, not to mention we do not all agree 100% on all the material that gets posted and published under the Thuban label. And this is something that not even those who currently find themselves associated with us keeps in mind necessarily or even deems important. So, ultimately, there is no real consensus as to what all “Thubans” need to know about our own material or even how much of it we need to understand ourselves in order to be called one.
With time, it became more of a unique stance on life, an energy imprint if you will….a frequency. “Dragon” became a title that needed only to be self-administered...if you dared, but never taken lightly. Concepts like honor and loyalty became a pre -requisite if you wanted to “walk the talk”.

So here is the lowdown: Once the Core members found each other (who can be counted with one hand), we knew instinctively through our interaction that we were working towards the same goal, and began to proactively put our skills together in order to materialize our ideas into being. Yes BEING. We not only talked about it or spent hours theorizing as to how it would be if we did this or that….we did it, and there was no way that we could’ve avoided living our theories because our hearts were already compromised. More often than not, failure was also part of this process, but perseverance or being “hard headed” is another Dragon characteristic. Passion, desire, even anger and hatred…all of our emotions became entwined with our logical mind and became our fuel for our own individual transformations.

Meanwhile, a great part of the real “Thuban material” has been and is still being kept under closed doors mainly for two reasons. Not because we particularly like the secrecy, or because we wish to mimic the cabal or any secret society; but first, because these are issues seen as taboo for outsiders, issues that whenever we but hinted at trying to pursue, we found ourselves threatened, bans were issued and threads were either closed, hidden or outright deleted altogether. We tried on Avalon, we tried on Camelot, as well as on some of the other more “serious” forums out there. We even tried here…same result. And second, because we work under the premise that whoever wishes to know information should make the effort to come to it, it doesn’t work the other way around.
For the Mods here, please don’t take any of the above as criticism. I understand each house has its own “laws” and set of rules, I am only pointing out that our material is still difficult to understand due to a lack of open exchange on the most important issues. So what did we do? We simply kept what we could salvage on our own forums which are not surprisingly not very active and which we mostly use as a form of library to preserve data.
So you all think independently? Really?
Yes really. Therefore, what unites us, believe it or not, is not so much our common “intellectual affinities”, but rather our similar disgust for falseness and lack of original thought.

I’ll give you a perfect example. Post #11 on this thread by Aquaries1111.
Knowing that Spruz is nothing but a library, and that most members of this forum won’t go there for a real discussion she couldn’t let the perfect opportunity pass to further damage the name of Thuban. By bringing what she considers to be self-incriminating on these Skype chats out in the open, into a forum like this one that has more traffic. I am aware that for most people; “Dragons” sound too arrogant, self assured and even pedantic in the way they refer to other members, and the superiority they must feel over anyone non-thuban doesn’t sit well with anyone individually or any line of thought whatsoever. She wants to display what she sees as “our” weakness for the whole world to see so that they (readers at large) won’t be deceived. For how can people who ridicule and laugh behind other people’s backs ever be truly trusted? She thinks she is unearthing a great secret… How Thubans – ALL Thubans---really feel for the members of that forum. Even towards those members with whom the Dragons exchanged in a polite and civilized manner going back to the time of the old Avalon; because, after all….."they all must think the same." This is the inception. very subtle, almost unnoticeable, but very strong nonetheless and more dangerous than an direct strike.

And by doing this perhaps she honestly feels she is doing society at large a big favor; that ironically, she is helping to “ban the falseness” acting as a spy by positioning herself in what she sees as two conflicting bands at the same time. Ironically, she still won’t be removed from our Skype main chatroom even at the request of some of our members who more than disliked her extracting their words from our chat into here and who complained about it. Her excuse in the past has been that she is merely “sharing” public information because Tony already published these convos on our Spruz library and therefore it is “public record”. But I won’t be fooled and I see it for what it is. At least for me, honesty is way more important than to try to get people lost with “technicalities” in order to obscure a hidden intent.

All in all it comes down to this: People have lost interest in the message, for being distracted by our prevailing “nasty” attitude. I've heard people call Tony/Raven: oppositional, deluded or referring to all Thubans as a whole as suffering from some sort of "collective dementia", call it what you will, pick your favorite label and you'll always find opportunists like Aquaries who are only happy to take advantage of an already sorry situation to further cause more disruption and damage. That's "human nature" for you. Perhaps reason why I am no longer interested in humans.

malletzky wrote:Isn't it time to stop this madness? The one who like to discuss about the Thuban material, why don't you go to the Thuban Forum dierctly and ask your questions directly?

The madness that you refer to Mall will never stop...it only gets worse with time. Especially now...at this time of compression.
By now most of you know we have a few forums of our own and even that some of us have been banned from some other, let's say... less "open-minded" forums as well. But that doesn't mean we have been made mute, or that we can't respond to or comment on something that catches our attention…even if it’s amongst ourselves. But maybe all this "our" and "we" talk begs to be clarified a little bit.
Most of you may think you know how a Thuban thinks, but honestly I doubt it. It gets...complicated. But to simplify, I can say that most of us agree only on what can be called "the basics" and perhaps the end goal. That’s it. Everything else in between as to how you get to the end point or...your "path" is up to each one, and I like to think that everyone respects each other's view on this. In essence Tony always says: "live and let live" or "to each their own". However, when we feel we need to say something we say it, and that's when the controversy begins. But why is that? Is it because of what he or Raven say or of how they say it? And I mention them both because most of what you guys find "controversial" comes mostly from their posts.

malletzky wrote:Why starting here such threads and ask for the takes of the other? Is it importnat what do I think of Thuban? Whom it is important?

I understand your frustration here Mall, and I know what you mean when you ask about the importance on the opinion others have on us, and you're right in a way ~ but let us also remember that as much as gnosis is found individually, you will find that other people's opinions are also important as they can trigger a remembrance or can help make or break an already preconceived idea you may already have in your mind. Ultimately, this is the reason for "sharing data" in the first place... it is part of a huge mechanism found at the bottom of a great war going on in the unseen world...this is the great war of ideas...of the memes.
But to share is not the same as to evangelize, isn't it? I understand that completely. No one likes to have "medicine" shoved down their throat, no matter what the flavor.

I still like to look at ourselves as a family of sorts though; a coven…call me a hopeless romantic. We found each other on the original Q&A thread back in Avalon and there was this invisible force that initially pulled us all together. Allegiances were formed; even Love seemed to find its way between some of us. *sighs* Things have never really been easy with us, treating others or among ourselves, but I bet none of us would even think of erasing the time we’ve known each other or regretted what we’ve learned. I know I don’t.
I am an eternal student, therefore, I always valued other people’s honest opinions. (which is not the same as “caring” for it in the sense of letting it get to me) And since that seems to be something very hard to come by these days, I invite you all to look inside yourselves without any fear and indeed “give it your best shot”.