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    Are you vegetarian?

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    Post  blue roller Sat Feb 13, 2016 4:15 pm

    Swanny wrote:Whilst driving my car I kill many insects which were also living beings until I unnecessarily came along
    Does that mean people that make the cars and all the parts needed share the crime?

    Try buying cereals that have been harvested without killing something Cow

    Admiral Swanny ! Nice . So you confess you are a cereal Killer ? May you rot in the further most abyss for your sins you naughty , naughty person .

    So GFL eh ? That's the Galactic federation of light or the Galactic Federated Legion ? No wait , its the Grand funky liaison Officer from Boscombe Down .Dude !
    Damn! Give me some skin bro ,what you doin' back in the Hood. Cool Cool Cool
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    Post  blue roller Sat Feb 13, 2016 4:34 pm

    Sanicle wrote:Yes Blueroller, I've read your many stories about people you know who've suffered because of the diets they adopted, for sad and silly reasons, and it's heartbreaking stuff.  It must've been so hard to stand by and watch and I think none can blame you for speaking as you do here, knowing what you know.

    My whole perspective changed.....a lot.......a few months back when my 'otherworld friends' asked me, "If there's one thing you could change to make your world a better place to live in, what would it be?"  My immediate response was, "Make it so that no living being has to kill another to live!"  I felt such a fool as they went on to explain to me that it would, ultimately, change little.  Of course they outlined for me how via the food chain the numbers in Nature are kept in check and thus in balance, right down to the lowest in the  chain...the bugs.  I was shown how there would be swarms of them if their numbers weren't kept in check by the birds, etc.  How the vegetation would become a tangled mass.  And then, worst of all, how all the animals, and mankind most of all, would be killing each other for territory, which would in the end become the most important resource.  It all sounded like it would become much more feral, dangerous and difficult than it already is.  So, I had to accept.

    But, as you say, it doesn't make it any easier when you witness the brutality of it in front of you.  For what it's worth, another thing I was told at another time (although I don't know if it's true (science isn't sure yet apparently)) is that many animals don't feel pain as we do, so we shouldn't relate to them as though they do.  The closer their brain and nervous system is to the complexity of our own, the more pain they feel.  But with the lesser developed ones, what we really see in their struggles when caught is their survival mechanism kicking in, warning them to free themselves or that a threat is close.  So it's more panic than pain, and is some, like the bugs, I've realized you don't even see too much of that.  It helps. I love you

    Nature is not about being right. It is about Being. The most precious wisdom and experience often comes from the biggest mistakes . What does not kill us makes us stronger and if its time to die its time to die . Natures strength and beauty comes from its fantastic Diversity . Its a System that starts at the infinitely small and gets as big as the galaxies and beyond. Let it be and it will let you be .

    Animals love and live in the moment very easily because they know the other side of life from birth . We have been blinded so we cannot see and cross the bridge to infinity without first living fully and intently.

    I have another friend ,just another example among many , who has struggled greatly to get past the self recrimination and self punishment. Talk about a spiritual fad surfer . She has done it all . Love her to bits for her courage in doing so though. Anorexic for most of her youth she has had to work damned hard to get beyond the guilt that was dumped on her as a child.

    People who lay spiritual/sexual guilt trips on others are just passing on what was done to them . Its time to stop that cycle of abuse.

    Nurse ! Chocolate please and make that a LARGE Banana shake with full cream Milk . Yes I know its Bad for me , that's why I want it.
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    Post  Pris Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:22 pm

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    Post  blue roller Sat Feb 13, 2016 6:40 pm

    To clarify ,just in case anyone chooses to take Offense , no Offense is intended but if you choose to be offended ,that's you choice. Because Religious and 'spiritual' people love to get offended and use it as an excuse to condemn to hell , those who refuse to 'Believe' in their punishing Dogma's.
    Fear and dietary restrictions always go hand in hand.

    I don't care about 'facts and statistics' . I care for (and only refer to ) the people I know personally first hand who suffer for lack of a healthy Diet , whatever that diet consists of. Babies don't deserve to die for Vegan Fundamentalism or suffer Downs syndrome for parental consumption of Junk food.

    But I also have to respect it is their life and their choice too . I don't storm up to vegans and say 'how can you live on Rabbit food like that ?'

    I remember though a Hilarious occasion when having just sat down for breakfast at a restaurant , the waiter put down a Hamburger on the table next to us . A Kookaburra swooped down , crash landed on the table and swept off again with the whole Burger in its Mouth . Funniest thing I ever saw . He literally belly landed across the table with his Beak open and Voom , it was gone .

    To those of you who I have never met in Person I have this to say . Its your life and you have the right to live it as you choose as long as you don't impose your beliefs on others . Period .End of story. No matter how you choose to eat your going to die eventually .

    If you find 'Killing animals' distasteful , fine ,dont do it . Crawl under a rock with the flesh eating insects and keep your fingers crossed they will respect your boundaries . But down here the sand flies and Mosquito's dont give a damn how big you are . They will go for a free lunch if they can get away with it.

    Life is movement and change and Evolution. Its not going to stop for your raw vegan lunch break or Fruitarian superiority complex . If you are stupid enough to upset the natural balance by harvesting flesh to extinction instead of respecting the need to maintain biodiversity ,then you are practicing Genocide. Nobody gets off the hook when greed outweighs common sense and reason.

    If India is such a superior 'Spiritual' country for being a nation of vegetarians why do parents poke out eye's and sever limbs to make their children's Begging more profitable ? Why is there so much chronic poverty,filth and misery ?

    Answer. Religion. Always Religion. Because poverty concentrates power in the hands of the Few. The caste System in India is every bit as disgusting as that in the UK and the USA. Because all these Class systems were created by Religious organizations.
    First comes the 'Messiah', then come the laws, then comes the control of energy exchange via money, then come the land titles and control of the resources it provides. Then you have slavery. Its not Rocket science . Its Tyranny Science.
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    Post  blue roller Sat Feb 13, 2016 8:59 pm

    [quote="orthodoxymoron"][size=18]Nature is Beautiful -- but when one takes a closer-look Nature is Cruel and Unusual.

    The Bible is Beautifully-Written and Spiritually-Inspiring -- but when one takes a closer-look the Bible is Cruel and Unusual.

    Human-Nature is sometimes described as being Fallen and Sinful -- but is Nature and the Bible also Fallen and Sinful??

    Lucifer is often blamed for causing all the trouble -- but there is only one reference in the Whole-Bible which specifically-refers to Lucifer -- and this text in Isaiah is regarding the King of Babylon -- without describing Lucifer as being some hideous and horrible creature.

    God is described in violent, unethical, and unflattering terms throughout the Bible. With a God like that, who needs Lucifer and/or Satan to be a Fall-Guy for all the Murder and Mayhem??!!

    Religions and Churches are supposed to be Helping Humanity -- but they often seem to be Exploiting and Disempowering Humanity.

    I have attempted to be Open and Honest regarding This Present Madness -- but I have been Ridiculed, Shunned, Ignored, and Persecuted for my Time and Trouble.

    The Best-People seem to make the Least-Money -- and the Worst-People seem to make the Most-Money.

    Yes I hear that . Thing is though that until you get in to the thick of it and live close to nature , you wont understand how she works . Religions exist to drive a wedge between you and Nature. The Bible is a guilt ridden,fear mongering  toxic waste heap of contradictions designed to keep you fearful and ignorant .Same with just about any religious text . Its fear porn/propaganda to keep them rich and you poor.

    If you confront their control mechanism your going to get attacked . Greed fears truth. Nature lives its truth. Religion enslaves man and nature to feed greed .

    When your eating fruit your a fruitarian , but later that day you may feel like a potato bake at which point you 'sold out' and went Veggie . But the next day after a long hike the craving for meat was so bad you snuck out and ordered a burger and fries . Of course that leads to guilty feelings of  failure and you swear off of meat forever and beg forgiveness.

    Ashamed and suitably humbled you truck on down to the organic co op and stock up on nuts and grains and whatever the latest diet god says you need to eat to get right .

    You know what that really is ? Consumer marketed Diet propaganda .

    Here is the reality. If your marooned on a tropical island your going to eat what you can get. Coconuts ,Fish, fruit and hopefully some edible plant material . You have no choice but to eat whats available if you want to live. And if you got marooned with a beautiful woman and you end up getting pregnant well then your going to have to work  that much harder to feed three mouths.  Coconuts are Boob's on tree's ! Don't say mother nature does not know how to put on a feast with flare and originality . Wild roasted pig if available will eventually be on the menu . But being a small island you will soon learn the limits of what it can and cannot provide without upsetting the balance .

    Same when you grow organic in your own garden. My soil grows apple trees really well but Olives, forget it. Tried it ,got root rot. They all died.
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    Post  Pris Sat Feb 13, 2016 10:08 pm

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    For someone pretending not to address me, you're doing a lousy job, Maurice.  It would be great if you tried harder.  No offense.
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    Post  Pris Sat Feb 13, 2016 10:16 pm

    devakas wrote:In violence are all who allow/support slaughterhouses/ killing,
    those who grow animals for killing, those who sell for killing,
     those who buy for killing, those who cook
    and those who eat animals all six are violent and share the crime of unnecessary killing another living being.

    Yes, sharing in this violence... Clearly, in violence are all who eat an animal others have killed.

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    Post  Sanicle Sat Feb 13, 2016 10:24 pm

    Here's another view.

    Guilt is one of the primary teaching/learning patterns in this reality as per seeing the consequences of one's behaviour...'good' and 'bad'....towards others, and the effects of its application of it in ourselves.  Without it we'd never develop sensitivity and compassion and so remain in the predator/prey realm of being like the animals.  We'd all be psychopaths and the animals wouldn't stand a chance.

    In these bodies genetically we are still hooked into the predator/prey dynamic.  The trick is to elevate your consciousness above the body's animal drives to define your own perspectives, find your balance, and see the subtleties and manipulations at play (eg through religion) from the broader perspective our consciousness makes available to us.

    On the spiritual journey, along with identifying one's true self, working through and refining the guilt dynamic and the predator/prey dynamic converges and causes problems until we can see the evolutionary purpose of both at work with clarity and be at peace with it.  Not an easy journey. Neutral

    Re the genetic thing, please view the videos here: http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t8661-the-truth-about-gene-wars-r-k-selection-theory#119284


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    Post  Pris Sat Feb 13, 2016 10:35 pm

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    On a personal note, when I stab at something with my fork that is alive (not cooked) and it screams and pulls away in pain, that tells me I've crossed the line.

    And, btw, when it comes to mother’s milk alone, vegan mothers eating a healthful diet can safely breastfeed their babies, nourishing them until they are weaned with everything their little bodies require to grow up healthy and strong.  



    http://kellymom.com/nutrition/mothers-diet/vegetarian/


    That said, with regard to vitamin B12, consider this:

    http://www.naturalnews.com/029531_vitamin_B12_vegan.html#
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    Post  Pris Sat Feb 13, 2016 10:39 pm

    Sanicle wrote:Here's another view.

    Guilt is one of the primary teaching/learning patterns in this reality as per seeing the consequences of one's behaviour...'good' and 'bad'....towards others, and the effects of its application of it in ourselves.  Without it we'd never develop sensitivity and compassion and so remain in the predator/prey realm of being like the animals.  We'd all be psychopaths and the animals wouldn't stand a chance.

    In these bodies genetically we are still hooked into the predator/prey dynamic.  The trick is to elevate your consciousness above the body's animal drives to define your own perspectives, find your balance, and see the subtleties and manipulations at play (eg through religion) from the broader perspective our consciousness makes available to us.

    On the spiritual journey, working through and refining the guilt dynamic and the predator/prey dynamic converges and causes problems until we can see the evolutionary purpose of both at work with clarity and be at peace with it.  Not an easy journey. Neutral

    I agree: guilt is a teacher of prime importance.
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    Post  B.B.Baghor Sun Feb 14, 2016 1:45 am

    burgundia wrote:
    Swanny wrote:Whilst driving my car I kill many insects which were also living beings until I unnecessarily came along
    Does that mean people that make the cars and all the parts needed share the crime?

    Try buying cereals that have been harvested without killing something Cow

    I am sure you do not kill them intentionally so you are excused.

    Can you find it in your heart, burgundia, to excuse me for never intentionally disturbing a thread or
    a form of expression by other members here? Nor in dispute about who's wrong or right? You've got your view
    on the way of your world and I've got mine. They're obviously different. Entitled to be expressed in freedom here.
    I find your choice of sharing and style of responding pretty much full on, but not very pretty, objective or thoughtful.
    I do confess, it's not my style and seldom welcome to my taste.
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    Post  blue roller Sun Feb 14, 2016 2:57 am

    Attention seekers always take offense where none was given because its always about them .
    So to maximize their hits and indignation they take on as many emotive labels as possible to increase the number of excuses to cry victim.

    When Diet becomes a Religion instead of a way of being its no longer about nutrition and self respect. Its about feeding the ego through ritual, self denial and moral grandstanding .

    My position is no position so refusing the labels I am called disruptive , predatory etc .

    Well if it justifies starving yourself and misleading the innocent to build your case you must accept the consequences .Including the deaths of malnourished innocents forced to eat Vegan before they are old enough to make their own decisions.

    It does not matter if you drive a car , use a chainsaw or cross the road . Get it wrong and your going to hurt yourself and others too ,potentially .
    If your a Vegan you will take personal offense at any criticism from anyone who questions your faith.

    When you ignore or walk away from someone who has narcissistic insecurities , same problem .

    Its like gay people who get angry at bisexuals for 'wavering' and betraying their gay brothers and sisters ! What ? You scream for equal gay rights then deny them to those who are not 'of the faith' ? Absurd .

    End 'carnism' the Vegans scream . Well you cant have that law without consequences that will negatively impact you.
    Im sorry but I dont buy that tosh about being Vegan making you more 'spiritual'. How can it when the spirit is not flesh .
    Are Dolphins, a favorite of the new age spiritual crowd , less than you in spirit ? Hardly .

    A vegan once asked me to be a surrogate Father for her. Turns out she was incapable of bearing children. Her diet had damaged her reproductive organs
    to much . Very sad. Now there were many contributing factors there but the result was nonetheless the same.

    Many female victims of sexual abuse choose not to have children and I respect that . Often when they do ,the trauma's they suffered rise to the surface and their ability to parent naturally is dangerously impaired. Seen it many times.
    These are people I know personally. One on one ,in the flesh , face to face , hugging and kissing personally. Not casual acquaintances on line personally.

    There is a Heart breaking story in the Independent Newspaper about a couple who raised their kids vegan until they could no longer ignore their children frantically gnawing on a packet of Butter in the super market ! and attacking any chicken that they could get their hands on and eat .

    Vegan Parents have lost custody of their children because they refused to listen to their doctors orders to feed them a balanced diet. Children have died from vegan diet. That's just crazy irresponsible and selfish .
    Okay , cut the meat to a minimum if you must and restrict the dairy if you can get away with it but if you cant get the quality balanced fresh food necessary to make Vegan work you have to compromise.

    Life is compromise. Relationships are compromise . You cant take a knife to a gun fight and expect to survive .

    If someone said to me "BR your a bloody fence hopping hypocrite for not going full Carnivore" that would be stupid Right ? Of course it is .
    And what the hell makes any human here think they are more spiritual then the rest of the natural world ? Please ! If only they reached parity it would be progress.

    Now let me be frank . I dont like to see any creature suffer unduly but animals are lucky . They have much shorter average life spans so they get to come back in young healthy bodies way quicker than us poor arthritic , bone creaking wrinkly humans . So why do you all have to make such a big deal out of it ? Death IS evolution. Death is the way of life . Its not the end , its the beginning .
    I have had a gun stuck in my face and said "do it" . If its my time , its my time. Sure I may not be ready to go yet in terms of the love I bear for my family but infinity is nothing to fear. Now or later your going to have to face separation but if the love is true you will find it again next time around .Its the ultimate compass ,true love. It always finds the way.

    Your all so Convinced of your spiritual credentials yet you cling to your bodies with the desperation of a child to its teddy bear. You make death sound like a prison sentence when its just a very short passage to complete liberation from pain and suffering for a while. If any of you had AUTHENTIC experience of OBE ,you would know that to be true, Not just Believe it or boast about it .
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    Post  Sanicle Sun Feb 14, 2016 6:49 am

    Pris wrote:
    Sanicle wrote:Here's another view.

    Guilt is one of the primary teaching/learning patterns in this reality as per seeing the consequences of one's behaviour...'good' and 'bad'....towards others, and the effects of its application of it in ourselves.  Without it we'd never develop sensitivity and compassion and so remain in the predator/prey realm of being like the animals.  We'd all be psychopaths and the animals wouldn't stand a chance.

    In these bodies genetically we are still hooked into the predator/prey dynamic.  The trick is to elevate your consciousness above the body's animal drives to define your own perspectives, find your balance, and see the subtleties and manipulations at play (eg through religion) from the broader perspective our consciousness makes available to us.

    On the spiritual journey, working through and refining the guilt dynamic and the predator/prey dynamic converges and causes problems until we can see the evolutionary purpose of both at work with clarity and be at peace with it.  Not an easy journey. Neutral

    I agree: guilt is a teacher of prime importance.
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    Yes and we hopefully don't forget the lessons in compassion we learn while working through it, but we don't have to stay in the emotional web guilt weaves when we can take the more objective, broader view the higher mind is aligned to where fear no longer exists.  Fear is the true enemy and fear of death the biggest and the most illusory of all, as Blueroller says. You know that Pris. I love you
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    Post  Swanny Sun Feb 14, 2016 1:49 pm

    blue roller wrote:

    Admiral Swanny ! Nice . So you confess you are a cereal Killer ? May you rot in the further most abyss for your sins you naughty , naughty person .

    So GFL eh ? That's the Galactic federation of light or the Galactic Federated Legion ? No wait , its the Grand funky liaison Officer from Boscombe Down .Dude !
    Damn! Give me some skin bro ,what you doin' back in the Hood. Cool Cool Cool

    It's the Galactic federation of light. Sadly me and Trancoso are the only surviving members, all the rest were wiped out and our ships destroyed.
    Anyone out there waiting for the GLF to come and save them is completely out of luck, I don't know about Trans but I've given up the saving game Malletzky  

    And I won't bother with the hail Marys thanks as I don't believe in silly gods, Karma or any other guilt trip scenarios  albino
    As for eating animals, if I chose to reincarnate as a pig, a cow or some other tasty creature then please enjoy eating me guilt free Cow
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    Post  blue roller Sun Feb 14, 2016 2:37 pm

    Swanny wrote:
    blue roller wrote:

    Admiral Swanny ! Nice . So you confess you are a cereal Killer ? May you rot in the further most abyss for your sins you naughty , naughty person .

    So GFL eh ? That's the Galactic federation of light or the Galactic Federated Legion ? No wait , its the Grand funky liaison Officer from Boscombe Down .Dude !
    Damn! Give me some skin bro ,what you doin' back in the Hood. Cool Cool Cool

    It's the Galactic federation of light. Sadly me and Trancoso are the only surviving members, all the rest were wiped out and our ships destroyed.
    Anyone out there waiting for the GLF to come and save them is completely out of luck, I don't know about Trans but I've given up the saving game Malletzky  

    And I won't bother with the hail Marys thanks as I don't believe in silly gods, Karma or any other guilt trip scenarios   albino
    As for eating animals, if I chose to reincarnate as a pig, a cow or some other tasty creature then please enjoy eating me guilt free Cow


    Oh thank god (sorry ,did I say God) for that . Galactic federation of light ! Yes , well the saving game is always about empty promises and any church you care to mention will happily put in a good word .Empty Promises put butts on Pews .Or at least they used to .

    Sorry to hear about your fleet getting destroyed mate . We always told those guys at GFL to upgrade their Shields but they insisted on the retro hubcap look and failing to move with the times , the result was inevitable. Crap name for an armada anyway . To wishy washy , Like Ashtar command .
    Talk about your fake tan telly sales scam.

    You can open the cage door for a human but they rarely come out of their own accord . To much like taking responsibility for your own happiness.
    Caged animals go through severe withdrawal symptoms when they are freed but once their genetic instincts kick in they are usually fine . Humans ,not so good. GMO , a division of GFL . Why am I not surprised.

    Still , I like the Amen , sorry Neam ,no Name ,that's it . Admiral Swanny of the star corp , a division of GFL Inc. Our battle cruisers now on sale at this incredible one time offer ! Not available in any store , hurry while stocks last. Call 1800 SUKONTHIS Now !

    "Oh captain , is that you on the bridge ?"
    "Admiral Please ,IF you dont mind "
    "Love the new uniform"
    "yes, I had it tailored at the salivation army store"
    "Nice fit"
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    Post  blue roller Sun Feb 14, 2016 2:52 pm

    Sanicle wrote:
    Pris wrote:
    Sanicle wrote:Here's another view.

    Guilt is one of the primary teaching/learning patterns in this reality as per seeing the consequences of one's behaviour...'good' and 'bad'....towards others, and the effects of its application of it in ourselves.  Without it we'd never develop sensitivity and compassion and so remain in the predator/prey realm of being like the animals.  We'd all be psychopaths and the animals wouldn't stand a chance.

    In these bodies genetically we are still hooked into the predator/prey dynamic.  The trick is to elevate your consciousness above the body's animal drives to define your own perspectives, find your balance, and see the subtleties and manipulations at play (eg through religion) from the broader perspective our consciousness makes available to us.

    On the spiritual journey, working through and refining the guilt dynamic and the predator/prey dynamic converges and causes problems until we can see the evolutionary purpose of both at work with clarity and be at peace with it.  Not an easy journey. Neutral

    I agree: guilt is a teacher of prime importance.
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    Yes and we hopefully don't forget the lessons in compassion we learn while working through it, but we don't have to stay in the emotional web guilt weaves when we can take the more objective, broader view the higher mind is aligned to where fear no longer exists.  Fear is the true enemy and fear of death the biggest and the most illusory of all, as Blueroller says.  You know that Pris.  I love you

    Love is not love when it exists in a cage . Guilt is what keeps the cage door locked . No more shame, no more self blame. The truth is to easy. Humans expect complicated answers to all their spiritual expectations so they turn away from the simple solution.

    Locked in the past they do what the church tells them and create a personal hell 'to redeem themselves'.

    Would you do that to your kids, make them suffer because you had to ?

    Answer often is YES . Im damned if I should go through hell and you be happy. That is pretty messed up but its how Karma , guilt and all the other ritualized BS keeps you under their thumb .
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    Post  blue roller Sun Feb 14, 2016 3:01 pm

    Guilt teaches you Nothing until you reject it entirely . Guilt is just a lame excuse for wallowing in self pity or giving up on yourself . Guilt drives hate drives denial drives murder of the soul. Guilt is the worm that chews on your heart like , like Oprah on Baked Ham.

    I am going to have a guilt free breakfast , a guilt free day and a guilt free trip in to town for a guilt free coffee with a friend. Maybe get some guilt free love while i am there.

    Truly BR ?

    Yes ,guilty as charged.

    In the meantime, My unlimited love to you all , if you can handle the big one. afro
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    Post  blue roller Sun Feb 14, 2016 4:53 pm

    La Cage aux Folles. The bird cage.

    Pavo is latin/italian for bird. Its related to the word Pavilion. A sheltered area .

    Bird in the pavilion is a euphemism/metaphor for the Pineal gland in the exact focal point center of your skull. Accident ? Hardly.

    When we are love lorn and lonely we Pine dont we ? We pine for the Fjords. We pine for love. But if we are trapped in a cage and cannot fly away we are force fed a diet of seeds and any other sh*** our captor feeds us. Not much of a life really . A dead Parrot nailed to its perch. Ever made that connection between the Parrot sketch and Life of Brian ?

    Make a little love , do a little dance, get down tonight..........TRANC

    F***ing and feasting in freedom. Its what brings joy to hearts in bodies. Why fight it ? Why feel guilty about it ? More fool you for towing the company line . Guilt never gave me an Orgasm .

    What happens to priests who are not allowed to f***. They molest innocent children instead. Yeah ,like that's real natural Jesus.
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    Post  Sanicle Sun Feb 14, 2016 10:30 pm

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    Post  blue roller Mon Feb 15, 2016 1:57 am

    Sanicle wrote:eat meat - Calling All Carnivores - Page 12 Hippykitty_zps5qttxukk

    Often when i post my thoughts they are not directed at anyone in particular , unless I address them by name .

    Pavi Lion . The bird and the cat . Appropriate image with apple blossoms for a crown .

    When Orpheus journeyed in the under world ,Ariadne gave him a golden thread so that he could find his way back ,not get lost . There is nothing more sad than pulling someone out of there only for them to run back to the dark .

    The first Journey in to the under world is often referred to as entering the lions Den Via his Mouth . The lion is a guardian and only allows those who are worthy to enter . Cats are rarely fooled by lies and liars never care for the stare of cats.

    But what has this got to do with Diet ? Everything. Because we are what we eat and food is powerful stuff.

    People who live with guilt and shame are lying to themselves as well as others. Nailed to the perch they parrot words to appease the crowd .
    Norwegian blue parrots stun very easily. Starved of life and freedom ,forced to eat whats given them . Pretty Polly gets another cracker and does the dirty work for his/her paymaster.
    Alladin sane . The genie in the lamp is the pineal Gland . Activated by sunlight . Pineal is an anagram of Alpine. Pineapple's look like pine cones. When the pine cone opens it releases seeds.

    Appell means to call together . Roll call . Music is the food of love . Play on.

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    Post  Pris Mon Feb 15, 2016 8:30 pm

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    For someone who constantly defines both love and guilt here for all the rest of us, you seem to have the biggest hangup with them, Maurice.

    If I had any confusion about you and your intentions, I want to thank you for clearing it up.

    People who have the most to say are often the ones who know the least.

    I've said all I need to say.

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    Post  devakas Tue Feb 16, 2016 12:32 am



    people should stop this animal slaughter business


    nothing to be proud of making soup from corpse
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    Post  blue roller Tue Feb 16, 2016 2:28 am

    devakas wrote:

    people should stop this animal slaughter business


    nothing to be proud of making soup from corpse

    There we go again ,stealing the moral high ground . Nature is not listening to you though and its not likely to start any time soon . If it was not for corpse eaters like crows and vultures ,hot country's like India would stink to high heaven of rotting flesh and cholera/plague and other epidemics would be rife .

    So tell me , Why don't radical vegan's call themselves herbivores and graze outside like serious plant eaters ? maybe they don't have the stomach to take their religion seriously.

    How many microscopic bugs and bacteria do you eat when you chew on a plant leaf or fruit ? Ever looked at one under a microscope ? No I doubt it.
    Bacteria are the only reason you get away with eating what you do . And since all 'flesh' is composed of tiny cells/bacteria in one big sack, whats the difference ?

    There is no such thing as 100% vegan/vegetarian. But if you feel superior to the rest of nature by eating only plant corpses ,be my guest.

    And one final thought. The only difference between Blood and Chlorophyll is this. Blood has an iron Ion in its molecular structure. Chlorophyll (plant blood) has a magnesium Ion . That's all . So the logical inescapable conclusion is that all life evolved from the same simple single celled organisms, plant and flesh.

    Its called the circle of life . Cow eats grass . Cow dies and its corpse gets eaten by crows ,worms and people. People Die and get buried which feeds the worms which fertilize the grass. Cow eats Grass......Simple enough for you to grasp ? Probably not.

    And there you have it .A small minority pushing their religion on the rest of nature . Its a good job nature ignores their Sh** and cleans up after them anyway.

    If your sincere in your condemnation of carnivores , Why do you like cats and dogs and dolphins and every other gift of mother nature ? Where is the consistency in your arguments ?

    There are none ,so you resort to slander and sneering ,demeaning comments . How very democratic and non judgmental of you .

    The last word is not mine or yours or any one else's on this thread. The last word is evolution baby .If you cant cope with evolution ,go to a desolate rock on some other distant planet and see how long you can stomach hydroponic lettuce in a plastic dome. You wont last long trust me .




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    Post  Swanny Tue Feb 16, 2016 2:48 am

    devakas wrote:

    people should stop this animal slaughter business


    nothing to be proud of making soup from corpse

    So if you were starving to death and someone offered you a nice bowl of chicken soup you wouldn't eat it?

    I bet you used to enjoy eating meat Die Spam Die
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    Post  blue roller Tue Feb 16, 2016 3:21 am

    Swanny wrote:
    devakas wrote:

    people should stop this animal slaughter business


    nothing to be proud of making soup from corpse

    So if you were starving to death and someone offered you a nice bowl of chicken soup you wouldn't eat it?

    I bet you used to enjoy eating meat Die Spam Die

    Lentil Soup tastes just like Chicken soup . NOT.

    Lentils are about as tasty as cardboard , unless you add chicken/ broth. Then I can eat lentil soup.

    But nothing beats the taste of Spam. Spam ,spam,spam,spam.................

    If I was starving to death and someone offered me Lentil soup I would say "Christ haven't you got ANYTHING else ?"
    Austerity sucks .

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