Calling All Carnivores

devakas wrote:


Meateaters is in a practice that is brutal, extremely harmful to environment, causes poverty and hunger in world, bad for health and longevity and lowers us from status of being humans. Just as we would not like ourselves, our children and even old parents to be killed for someone’s taste of tongue, similarly we should refuse to kill other innocent living beings. The way we refuse to eat dead bodies of human beings, we should also not feast on dead bodies of other living beings who have eyes, nose, face, brain like us. Who feel pain and pleasure like us. Who feel the same fear and weep in similar manner like we do when nearing our own death. Law of Karma ensures that if we kill today, we would face the killing tomorrow. The only way to escape this is by being kind and compassionate.

May we pray and act for well-being of all!

for magamud :)

do we have more votes here in any way?

i got one from Paul MacCartney

"Do you know that your Führer is a vegetarian, and that he does not eat meat because of his general attitude toward life and his love for the world of animals? Do you know that your Führer is an exemplary friend of animals, and even as a chancellor, he is not separated from the animals he has kept for years?...The Führer is an ardent opponent of any torture of animals, in particular vivisection, and has declared to terminate those conditions...thus fulfilling his role as the savior of animals, from continuous and nameless torments and pain.”

—Neugeist/Die Weisse Fahne (German magazine of the New Thought movement)

do you have any personal view? finaly it matters what boils down to a person. how much love he has to everyone and animals included.

violence in not the answer and, when we KNOW it, it is crime to support it.

Killings now

http://www.kindnesstrust.com/YourDream.html

In case you don’t have time to watch the video right now, here are a few of the key points; illustrating a sound, big-picture understanding of a disturbing global problem out of control:

Environmental damage. CO2, Methane, and Nitrous Oxide from the livestock industry are killing our oceans with acidic, hypoxic Dead Zones.
Biodiversity in peril. 90% of small fish are ground into pellets to feed livestock. Vegetarian cows are now the world’s largest ocean predator.
Fish becoming extinct. By 2048 all our fisheries will be dead. The lungs and the arteries of the earth.
Animal suffering. Only 100 billion people have ever lived. 7 billion alive today. And we torture and kill 2 billion animals every week.
Mass extinction. 10,000 entire species are wiped out every year because of the actions of one species. We are now facing the 6th mass extinction in cosmological history.
Animal Rights is now the greatest Social Justice issue since the abolition of slavery.
Economy in peril. Meat is a killing industry – animals, us and our economies.
USA is bankrupt. Medicare has already bankrupted the US. They will need $8 trillion invested in Treasury bills just to pay the interest. They have precisely zero!! They could shut every school, army, navy, air force, and Marines, the FBI and CIA – and they still won’t be able to pay for it.
Water is the new oil. Nations will soon be going to war for it. Underground aquifers that took millions of years to fill are now running dry. It takes 50,000 litres of water to produce one kilo of beef.
World hunger. 1 billion people today are hungry. 20 million people will die from malnutrition. Cutting meat by only 10% will feed 100 million people. Eliminating meat will end starvation forever. If everyone ate a Western diet, we would need 2 Planet Earths to feed us. We’ve only got one. And she is dying.
Global warming. Greenhouse gas from livestock is 50% more than transport . . . . . planes, trains, trucks, cars, and ships.
A crime of epic proportions. Poor countries sell their grain to the West while their own children starve in their arms. And we feed it to livestock. So we can eat a steak? Am I the only one who sees this as a crime?
Weapons of Mass Destruction. George Bush was wrong. The Axis of Evil doesn’t run through Iraq, or Iran or North Korea. It runs through our dining tables. Weapons of Mass Destruction are our knives and forks.
Plant-based eating is the Swiss Army Knife of the future – it solves our environmental, water, health problems and ends cruelty forever.
What about farmers? They are the ones with the most to gain. Farming won’t end. It would boom. Only the product line would change.
Cost of health care. Health insurance premiums would plummet. Hospital waiting lists would disappear. Hell “We’d be so healthy; we’d have to shoot someone just to start a cemetery!”

He finishes up thusly, “So tonight I have two challenges for the opposition:

Meat causes a wide range of cancers and heart disease. Would they name one disease caused by a vegetarian diet?
I am funding the Earthlings trilogy. If the opposition is so sure of their ground, I challenge them to send the Earthlings DVD to all their colleagues and customers. Go on I DARE YOU.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=U1wAsjuqEho#!

devakas wrote:

Killings now

http://www.kindnesstrust.com/YourDream.html

i failed to embed the video here, but
make sure to watch religious washedbrained sacrifices at the bottom of the link.

torture of any living being should end soon by all washed brained ones politically or corrupted religious principals. sooner better

Do animals have a soul?

Srila Prabhupada: Some people say, “We believe that animals have no soul.” That is not correct. They believe animals have no soul because they want to eat the animals, but actually animals do have a soul.

Reporter: How do you know that the animal has a soul?

Srila Prabhupada: You can know, also. Here is the scientific proof… the animal is eating, you are eating; the animal is sleeping, you are sleeping; the animal is defending, you are defending; the animal is having sex, you are having sex; the animals have children, you have children; they have a living place, you have a living place. If the animal’s body is cut, there is blood; if your body is cut, there is blood. So, all these similarities are there. Now, why do you deny this one similarity, the presence of the soul? That is not logical. You have studied logic? In logic there is something called analogy. Analogy means drawing a conclusion by finding many points of similarity. If there are so many points of similarity between human beings and animals, why deny one similarity? That is not logic. That is not science.

Science of Self-Realization (pp. 35-36)

At a monastic retreat near Paris, in July of 1973, Srila Prabhupada talked with Cardinal Jean Danielou: “… the Bible does not simply say, ‘Do not kill the human being.’ It says broadly, ‘Thou shalt not kill.’… why do you interpret this to suit your own convenience?”

Student: Srila Prabhupada, Christianity’s sanction of meat-eating is based on the view that lower species of life do not have a soul like the human being’s.

Srila Prabhupada: That is foolishness. First of all, we have to understand the evidence of the soul’s presence within the body. Then we can see whether the human being has a soul and the cow does not. What are the different characteristics of the cow and the man? If we find a difference in characteristics, then we can say that in the animal there is no soul. But if we see that the animal and the human being have the same characteristics, then how can you say that the animal has no soul? The general symptoms are that the animal eats, you eat; the animal sleeps, you sleep; the animal mates, you mate; the animal defends, and you defend. Where is the difference?

Cardinal Danielou: We admit that in the animal there may be the same type of biological existence as in men, but there is no soul. We believe that the soul is a human soul.

Srila Prabhupada: Our Bhagavad-gita says sarva-yonisu, “In all species of life the soul exists.” The body is like a suit of clothes. You have black clothes; I am dressed in saffron clothes. But within the dress you are a human being, and I am also a human being. Similarly, the bodies of the different species are just like different types of dress. There are soul, a part and parcel of God. Suppose a man has two sons, not equally meritorious. One may be a Supreme Court judge and the other may be a common laborer, but the father claims both as his sons. He does not make the distinction that the son who is a judge is very important and the worker-son is not important. And if the judge-son says, “My dear father, your other son is useless; let me cut him up and eat him,” will the father allow this?

Cardinal Danielou: Certainly not, but the idea that all life is part of the life of God is difficult for us to admit. There is a great difference between human life and animal life.

Srila Prabhupada: That difference is due to the development of consciousness. In the human body there is developed consciousness. Even a tree has a soul, but a tree’s consciousness is not very developed. If you cut a tree it does not resist. Actually, it does resist, but only to a very small degree. There is a scientist named Jagadish Chandra Bose who has made a machine which shows that trees and plants are able to feel pain when they are cut. And we can see directly that when someone comes to kill an animal, it resists, it cries, it makes a horrible sound. So it is a matter of the development of consciousness. But the soul is there within all living beings.

Cardinal Danielou: But metaphysically, the life of man is sacred. Human beings think on a higher platform than the animals do.

Srila Prabhupada: What is that higher platform? The animal eats to maintain his body, and you also eat in order to maintain your body. The cow eats grass in the field, and the human being eats meat from a huge slaughterhouse full of modern machines. But just because you have big machines and a ghastly scene, while the animal simply eats grass, this does not mean that you are so advanced that only within your body is there a soul and that there is not a soul within the body of the animal. That is illogical. We can see that the basic characteristics are the same in the animal and the human being.

Cardinal Danielou: But only in human beings do we find a metaphysical search for the meaning of life.

Srila Prabhupada: Yes. So metaphysically search out why you believe that there is no soul within the animal–that is metaphysics. If you are thinking metaphysically, that’s all right. But if you are thinking like an animal, then what is the use of your metaphysical study? Metaphysical means “above the physical” or, in other words, “spiritual.” In the Bhagavad-gita Krsna says, sarva-yonisu kaunteya: “In every living being there is a spirit soul.” That is metaphysical understanding. Now either you accept Krsna’s teachings as metaphysical, or you’ll have to take a third-class fool’s opinion as metaphysical. Which do you accept?

Cardinal Danielou: But why does God create some animals who eat other animals? There is a fault in the creation, it seems.

Srila Prabhupada: It is not a fault. God is very kind. If you want to eat animals, then He’ll give you full facility. God will give you the body of a tiger in your next life so that you can eat flesh very freely. “Why are you maintaining slaughterhouses? I’ll give you fangs and claws. Now eat.” So the meat-eaters are awaiting such punishment. The animal-eaters become tigers, wolves, cats, and dogs in their next life–to get more facility.”

what I love about the Hare Krishna devotees that the message is everywhere the same wherever you go, any country any temple any site, any Vaishnava Swami lecture. The message of truth is always pure the same, without addition to the meaning of the message or subtraction from the pure message, without massaging the truth. Only Vaishnavas can do it without egoistic perversion of the truth. Guess only those who love truth and need to be truthfull can do it. Guess the truthfulness is not an easy task for conditioned soul...constantly disturbed in fear, lies, material desires, false pride, cheated by cheaters and speculating minds and constantly putting themselves to them with blind trust.

ISKCON Birmingham

Whats wrong with eating meat

this will be very beneficial when you finish reading. It is actually much more than just that. There is much more to that, much more.
Actually crime is even a thought to kill an inocent, who tries to protect itself, have will to survive, intends to survive, feellings are there, fear is there, when animal is attacked it tries all attemps to protect itself, to survive, escape the death. We should protect animals as we have given this understanding capability, capability of this simple understanding. Its like duty of ours.
To kill is crime, to lie is crime, to masage the truth is crime, to be blind to their consciousness is crime, even to have thoughts of killings is crime. I am serioussss. Killing is opposite of love. those who talk about killing, can not talk about love, no, those who support killing idea can not talk about love.

slaughterhouses need to be closed for your own benefits, for our kids growing without conscious and subconscious guilt and then after fear and constantly being disturbed.
not to participate in this slaughter is true liberty, inner liberty, fearless liberty in heart, the heart who is not slave of mind. When slaughterhouses will be closed, there will be no means (or understanding) of killing in every kid heart, no basis for greed and angriness, no basis for lust, vanishes from the existance. and then comes spiritual awareness, love, happiness. for all living beings. Am I the dreamer, no it is all given and explained in Vedas. who we are, souls in this material body, disturbed and conditioned by three material modes.

here is nicely presented truth about why:

http://iskconbirmingham.org/whats-wrong-with-eating-meat


the laws of nature:

https://i.servimg.com/u/f13/15/09/90/59/the-la10.jpg

Ditching meat and fish in favour of a vegetarian diet can have a dramatic effect on the health of your heart, research suggests.

A study of 44,500 people in England and Scotland showed vegetarians were 32% less likely to die or need hospital treatment as a result of heart disease.

Differences in cholesterol levels, blood pressure and body weight are thought to be behind the health boost.

The findings were published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition

Heart disease is a major blight in Western countries. It kills 94,000 people in the UK each year - more than any other disease, and 2.6 million people live with the condition.

The heart's own blood supply becomes blocked up by fatty deposits in the arteries that nourish the heart muscle. It can cause angina or even lead to a heart attack if the blood vessels become completely blocked.

Scientists at the University of Oxford analysed data from 15,100 vegetarians and 29,400 people who ate meat and fish.

Over the course of 11 years, 169 people in the study died from heart disease and 1,066 needed hospital treatment - and they were more likely to have been meat and fish eaters than vegetarians.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-21258509

Disturbing: Burger King Admits Burgers Contain Horsemeat

http://naturalsociety.com/burger-king-admits-burgers-contain-horsemeat/

in Kali Yuga some will no differenciate in killings

kissing a dolphin, singing song kiss of life
while in the evening will barbeque meat and sing song kiss of death



IN Kali yuga hypocrisy will be accepted as virtue

bump..  are there any updates in the mists from maybe new members?  How many vegetarians are in the mists?  who loves animals? how many truly love them? I heard how meat flesh eaters express love to animals self hypnotized into sentimental illusion, confidently self misguiding and untruthful to others. who truly respect animals, how many, only 8 from the 1000 +?

16 Vegan Celebrities Who've Given Up Animal Products For A Healthier Lifestyle

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/01/vegan-celebrities_n_4351908.html

With each bite the beefeaters are driving nails into the coffin of the world society

Full Debate - Animals Should Be Off The Menu; The St James Ethics & Wheeler Centre

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNED7GJLY7I


Love Always
mudra

Adorable 5-Year Old Girl Tearfully Explains Why She Doesn’t Want to Eat Meat Anymore

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z1h_m8km2A


I don't want to eat animal people ...

Love Always
mudra

Veganism is a Tough Pill to Swallow. Here's Why.



“What would cause an entire society of people to leave their thinking caps at the door – and not even realize they’re doing so?” Harvard-educated UMass Boston psychology and sociology professor Melanie Joy, Ph.D., Ed.M. explores this question in her book Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs, and Wear Cows: An Introduction to Carnism.

This book could have been called “The Meatrix.” By reading it, you’ve taken the figurative red pill and you may never be the same.

Although published in 2010, I read this at just the right time. Is the decision to reject needless animal use wherever possible and practical (veganism) just a “personal preference?” Is it an idealistic, arrogant, hypocritical, misguided, cult-like imposition on others? What continues to stop so many people from ditching animal flesh and fluids in the age of information? To me, this book is like solving an unsolvable mystery, using real psychology, to explain the unexplainable.

I've highlighted some of the themes she delves into below. Whether or not you have the slightest interest in veganism, I encourage you to challenge your existing mindset and read on.

Joy's subsequent TED Talk based on her book, above, is amongst the top 1% viewed of all TED talks.

Beyond Carnism and toward Rational, Authentic Food Choices | Melanie Joy | TEDxMünchen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0VrZPBskpg




Mental Gymnastics

The book begins by asking the viewer to imagine enjoying a roast at a dinner party, which you learn mid-bite is actually golden retriever. Even just reading this, you probably immediately feel disgusted and also are imagining the living dog, right?

“Even stranger, though,” writes Joy, “is the way we don’t react to the idea of eating cows” and the other species we perceive as edible. Most never picture the cow or feel repulsed when eating “beef.” Why is this? As she demonstrates, the answer is complex, yet far from abstract.

Humans are naturally averse to blood and killing unless we've been desensitized. Since we care about animals and don’t want them to suffer, a good amount of mental gymnastics are necessary in order to feel perfectly comfortable consuming them – or more specifically, consuming the tiny handful of species we have designated as edible.

To alleviate this inconsistency between our own deeply held values and our behaviors, Joy describes our three options:

We can change our values to match our behaviors
We can change our behaviors to match our values
We can change our perception of our behaviors so they appear to match our values (hence the mental gymnastics)

It's the latter dominant unexamined, socially conditioned, misinformed, and/or uninformed default mode – which is anything but neutral and benign despite appearing so – which Joy defines as “carnism.” (This includes vegetarianism, which includes exploiting and killing animals for human use).

If you just automatically rolled your eyes at this new term, you are exactly the person whose mind will be most blown by Joy’s concepts. I promise. Previously, this dominant ideology had been invisible and unnamed, enabling our continued psychic numbing, denial, and avoidance of our own participation in violence against innocents on a positively epic scale.

“We send one species to the butcher and give our love and kindness to another apparently for no other reason than that it’s the way things are. When our attitudes and behaviors toward animals are so inconsistent, and this inconsistency is so unexamined, we can safely say we’ve been fed absurdities.”

Regardless of how absurd they are, the deeply entrenched beliefs and behaviors of the majority are seen as normal; a given rather than a choice. This is even the case for violent ideologies like the one Joy calls carnism. How can something that doesn’t even have a name be questioned, and when even calling it by a name is met with knee-jerk resistance and likely mockery?

To take it a step further, the carnist system actively keeps itself hidden due to the fact that its inner workings are so horrifying that most are altogether unwilling to witness them. (Witnessing includes taking the time to read, watch, or otherwise learn about standard animal farming and slaughter practices.) It's why we so often hear people say of the experience of the animals on their plates, "I don't want to know." That's understandable, because knowing might force us to do the following:

Acknowledge the painful reality of our own participation in suffering of such devastating magnitude
Feel powerless to change it
Challenge our identity as a human/perceived superiority over other animals

The paradox of the above is that we either agree or refuse to witness the suffering of these innocents for the same exact reason: because we care.

When people assert it’s possible to love animals yet eat them, they’re looking through the lens Joy describes. When we can’t bring ourselves to face the horrible truth about something we continue to justify and willingly enable, we can’t smell our own bullshit.

read on: http://www.eatplantsdrinkbeer.com/readup/2016/1/16/veganism-a-tough-pill-to-swallow

Love Always
mudra

Good of you Pris  

Although well hidden behind closed doors the color red is the one most spilled on the earth canvas through animal and human sacrifice nowadays. Think of the unending rivers of blood that are gushing daily worlwide.
While green through intensive deforestation , nature tempering and urbanisation is taken away. And so it is for blue and yellow through ocean and air pollution coupled with geoengeneering .
This makes a pretty unbalanced color wheel.

My 80 years old next door neighbor who is a long time vegetarian once told me
she thinks the world is in the hands of blood thirsty butchers. I believe she isn't far from the truth.

Love from me
mudra

Love from me
mudra