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    Post  orthodoxymoron Tue Aug 30, 2011 4:37 pm

    In a Theocratically-Implemented, Responsibility-Based, United States of the Solar System -- what would be the nature of the 'Theocratic' portion of this concept? Once the system were established, would the 'Theocratic' aspect play an active role in a U.S.S.S.? These are VERY important questions. I have some ideas about this, but I am afraid to utter them. Does it really do any good to keep making post after post after post after post -- with no responses? Why is this so hard? Should I simply walk away from this mess? Should someone hit the 'reset button', and reboot the whole damn thing? What is going on here? BTW -- Rufus showed me some really cool sci-fi cartoons, which is where I got the 'reset button' idea. A humvee was close by, but I don't know why. In 'Dogma' Rufus said that Jesus was Black. Here is something which might shed some light on what I just said. http://bechollashon.org/population/africa/africa_jews.php In light of the previous post, think about it...

    A little known story is that of the African Jewish Diaspora, which has received relatively little scholarly attention. When Ethiopian-born Ephraim Isaac is greeted with the question familiar to many diverse Jews, “Are you Jewish? You don't look Jewish,” he sometimes responds, “Ethiopia is mentioned in the Bible over 50 times, but Poland not once.” The African story parallels that of other groups of Jews throughout the Diaspora. In Africa, as in other places around the world, there are long-standing communities with greater or lesser degrees of continuous practice, depending on how safe they were. There are those who have Jewish heritage and now practice other religions. Either through assimilation or through forced conversion, some may live as Christians or Muslims and have little sense of their Jewish past. However, others live as Christians or Muslims, yet are proud of their Jewish ancestry. There are also those who discovered Judaism and decided to convert to Judaism. These are more recent newcomers to the Jewish people. Whether ancient or new, a distinctive trait of African communities results from isolation from rabbinic Judaism. Their Judaism has either been passed on through oral tradition or is practiced as pre-Talmudic Torah-based Judaism. These communities would like to be part of world Judaism. Some are ancient, some more recent, and others once existed but are now extinct. The following section briefly describes some of those communities to illustrate both the historical roots and the possibilities for the future of the Jewish people.

    Jewish communities have existed throughout Africa for centuries. Some are ancient, some more recent, and others once existed but are now extinct. The following section briefly describes some of those communities to illustrate both the historical roots and the possibilities for the future of the Jewish people. North African, or “Maghrebi” Jews of Algeria , Egypt, Morocco, Tunisia, and Yemen maintained their faith for more than two thousand years, in some instances surviving violence, political and geographic segregation, and legal status as second-class citizens. After the birth of the State of Israel in 1948, most North African Jews were expelled from their places of birth, along with other Mizrahi Jews from Arab states in the Middle East. Some countries still have an active, albeit small contingent of Jews who still practice a unique form of distinctly North African Judaism.

    Jews have a long history in Algeria. In the 14th century, with the deterioration of conditions in Spain, many Spanish Jews moved to Algeria. After the French occupation of the country in 1830, Jews gradually adopted French culture and were granted French citizenship in 1870. Most of Algeria's 140,000 Jews left the country for France when Algeria attained independence in 1962. Following the brutal conflict of the Armed Islamic Group's 1994 declaration of war on all non-Muslims in the country, most of the thousand-odd remaining Jews left. A single synagogue functions in Algiers, although there is no rabbi. All other synagogues have been taken over for use as mosques. During British rule and under King Fuad, Egypt was somewhat more friendly towards its Jewish population. Although they were not allowed to claim Egyptian nationality, Jews played important roles in the economy. Of the 100,000 Jews who lived in Egypt before 1948, only a hundred or so remain today. Many Egyptian Jews fled to Israel (35,000), with the rest going to Brazil, France, the United States and Argentina. Today, anti-Semitism is common in the Egyptian media.

    The Jewish community of Morocco had a peak population of 300,000 Jews before 1948. In the midst of the first Arab-Israeli war, riots against Jews broke out, and they began leaving for Israel. In 1955, when Morocco attained independence, Jews occupied several political positions, including three seats in parliament and a ministry. The Six-Day War in 1967 led to increased Arab-Jewish tensions worldwide, and by 1971 the Jewish population was down to 35,000. As of 2004, Marrakech had an aging population of about 260 people, most over the age of 60, while around 3,000 Jews remained in Casablanca. Despite their small numbers, Jews continue to play a notable role in Morocco: the king retains a Jewish senior adviser, and Jewish schools and synagogues receive government subsidies. However, Jewish targets have sometimes been attacked (notably in Al-Qaeda's bombing of a Jewish community center in Casablanca in 2003), and there is sporadic anti-Semitic rhetoric from radical Moslem groups. However, King Mohammed VI is taking an assertive stand against Islamic radicalism and reaffirmed the protection his predecessors historically offered to Morocco's Jews.

    Tunisia has had a Jewish minority since Roman times. The Jewish community of Tunisia received successive waves of immigration over time, mostly from Spain and Portugal at the times of the Inquisition and then from Italy. In 1948 the Jewish population was an estimated 105,000, but by 1967 most Tunisian Jews had left the country for France and Israel, and the population had shrunk to 20,000. As of 2004, an estimated 1,500 remained, particularly on the island of Djerba, noted for its ancient synagogues, and in Tunis where most Jews still live as they have for centuries, maintaining strict Jewish practices and surviving by metalworking and jewelry-making. In the last few decades, a small but deadly number of attacks against Jews have occurred; however, they are generally not regarded as state sponsored and the Islamic government allows freedom of worship to the Jewish community.

    The group of African Jews that has received the most attention in mainstream media is the Beta Israel, the Jews of Ethiopia, a 2,500-year-old biblically Jewish community. The Beta Israel have become so well known that some Jews may think that any dark-skinned Jew is Ethiopian. Although the central legend of Beta Israel Judaism is the story of King Solomon and Queen Sheba, historians trace Ethiopian Jewish ancestry to the tribe of Dan, which migrated through the Nile valley to the ancient African kingdom of Cush. The Beta Israel are often referred to as Falasha, meaning “stranger” in Ge'ez, the classical ecclesiastical tongue of Ethiopia, a derogatory term descriptive of their community's status as outsiders since the 4th century, when King Ezana declared Christianity the official religion of his kingdom. Because of rescue missions Operation Moses (1984-85), Operation Joshua (1985), and Operation Solomon (1991), 100,000 Beta Israel now have Jewish lives in Israel. What most Jews do not know is that the process to recognize Ethiopian Jews as “real” and “legitimate” took well over 100 years, and the struggle is not over. Thousands of “Falash Mura,” Ethiopian Jews who, like Anusim, were forced to convert to Christianity and want to return to Judaism, remain in camps in Addis Ababa and in remote northern villages of Gondar, waiting to be accepted as legitimate Jews and make aliyah to Israel. Although movement toward recognition finally seems achievable, this path also has been tortuously slow.

    There have long been many sub-Saharan African communities. Some are dispersed and have found it difficult to maintain their connections to their religious pasts. The geographic challenges are often coupled with aggressive missionary pressures from messianic Jews, Christians, and Muslims. For example, the Lemba of South Africa and Zimbabwe have always been aware and are fiercely proud of their Jewish ancestry, but they do not necessarily practice Judaism today. This is changing, as some leaders of the community, including Rabson Wuriga, Ph.D., and members of the Lemba Cultural Association (LCA), are attempting to organize and educate dispersed individuals and reclaim the practice of Judaism among a wider segment of the Lemba population. There are Lemba who live in urban centers, well-educated professionals and academics. At the same time, they may be the tribal elders who maintain a closely guarded oral Lemba history. Though non-Lemba women are allowed to marry into the tribe, Lemba men face expulsion if they marry gentiles. According to Dr. Rudo Mathivha, daughter of Professor M.E.R. Mathivha, the late president of the LCA, the Lemba are descended from a group of Jews who left Judea in approximately 500 B.C.E. and settled first in Yemen before traveling south through Africa. The story of their long migration through Ethiopia, Tanzania, Kenya, Malawi, Mozambique, Zimbabwe, and South Africa has been retained and passed down through oral tradition.

    A 60 Minutes segment, featuring Tudor Parfitt, head of the Judaic Studies department at the University of London, reported the results of DNA testing showing both Semitic origins of the Lemba in general and the now well-known existence of a marker associated with the Kohanim on the Y chromosome of many Lemba males, although DNA cannot necessarily prove or disprove Jewish origins. The testing itself remains controversial among the Lemba, with some feeling vindicated by the results as scientific proof of their Jewish roots, while others are insulted by the very idea of having to prove their identity. In response to those who question his legitimacy as a Jew, Wuriga responds, “My father told me I am a Jew. To whom am I going to listen? I am going to listen to my father.” Other communities have found their way to Judaism only in the last hundred years. In Uganda, the Abayudaya, whose tribal name means “people of Judah,” trace their Jewish origins to the turn of the 20th century. According to Rabbi Gershom Sizomu, their spiritual leader, the Abayudaya began their journey to Judaism under the leadership of Semei Kakungulu, a great warrior who cooperated with the British the British imperialists at the turn of the 20th century. Kakungulu was to be a missionary for the British, converting the people of Mbale to Christianity. However, Kakungulu favored the Hebrew Bible. In 1919, the community began practicing the biblical Judaism they maintain to this day. In 1919, he is reported to have circumcised himself-when he was almost 50 years old - along with the 3,000 men of the 8,000 followers. They began practicing the observant Judaism they maintain to this day. Over the years, Kakungulu's knowledge of Judaism increased as a result of meeting several Jews, who instructed the Abayudaya in Jewish practice and Hebrew, and left them with a Hebrew/English bible. After Kakungulu´s death in 1928, many members drifted away. Since then, as has happened to so many other groups of Jews, the community has at times been subject to governmental pressures to abandon their Jewish practices. In 1971, Idi Amin came to power, banning Jewish practice, ordering Jews to convert to Christianity or Islam. After the fall of Amin in 1979, the remnants of the Abayudaya community gathered to begin rebuild the community. Rabbi Sizomu, his brother JJ Keki and others were leaders of the “Kibbutz Movement” in the early 1980s, reclaiming the land and building a synagogue (the “Moses” synagogue), which restored the Abayudaya community's focus. Music has been critical to the survival of the Abayudaya community. The Abayudaya community leaders used music to attract people back to Judaism. This strategy successfully compelled many youth to return to the almost extinct Abayudaya community. The community has borrowed and adapted to forge a new, distinctly Jewish music. (Link to CD)

    In 2007, the approximately 800 members of the Abayudaya community live in 5 villages among the rolling, green hills of Eastern Uganda within several miles of Mbale, the third largest city in Uganda. The overall Christian, Muslim, and Jewish population of these five villages is approximately 10,000. The Abayudaya Jews live among their Christian and Muslim neighbors, supporting themselves through subsistence farming and small businesses. Even though the Abayudaya regard themselves as Jews, they realized that their isolation from the Jewish world was both dangerous and had prevented them from gaining a more thorough understanding of Judaism. At the community´s request in the spring of 2002, four Conservative rabbis from the United States and one from Israel joined Gershom Sizomu in supervising the conversion or reaffirmation of most of Uganda´s 750 remaining Jews in the community's mikva, one further step in their goal to be part world Judaism.

    Some recent returnees to the Jewish people have ancient roots. The Ibo (or Igbo) are a tribe in Nigeria numbering in the millions. Remy Illona writes in his 2005 book about the history of the Ibo: The Ibo Benei-Yisrael of Nigeria [...] are an ethnic group [that] descended from the southern and westward migrations of both ancient Hebrew and later Israeli peoples from the Middle East into Africa. [...] The oral traditions of the Ibo maintain that their presence has been in what is termed "Ibo land" for over 1,500 years. [They] state that their ancestors were migrants from ancient Israel, possibly beginning with the Semitic migrations from Northern Arabia into Eastern Africa around 500 B.C.E. Ibo oral tradition references the names of specific Lost Tribes from which these clans are believed to have originated. However, many Ibo have no awareness of their Jewish heritage. Others are aware and proud of their Jewish ancestry and are actively reclaiming Judaism. Certain Nigerian Jewish communities have been making increasing connections with world Jewry. There are relatively recent efforts to reestablish the Jewish community in Nigeria, including building synagogues. Rabbi Capers Funnye's congregation in Chicago, represented by Nigerian-born Dele Jane Osawe, is sponsoring the building of a sister synagogue in Delta State, Nigeria. Because no formal census has been taken in the region, it is unknown how many native Jews reside in Nigeria. There may be twenty-six synagogues of various sizes and estimates of possibly as many as 30,000 Ibos practicing some form of Judaism. Further research is necessary.

    The House of Israel, centered in the southwestern towns of Sefwi Wiawso and Sefwi Sui, is a relatively new Jewish community, but one that may have ancient roots. In 1976, a Ghanaian man named Aaron Ahomtre Toakyirafa recognized that the traditions of his Sefwi ancestors were similar to traditions of ancient Jews. Their story is typical of many communities in Africa: Before Christian missionaries converted much of Ghana nearly a hundred years ago, the Sefwi people practiced many “unusual” traditions, such as adherence to Saturday as a day of rest, dietary restrictions that forbade them from eating pork, the circumcision in youth of male community members, and the isolation of women in the community during their menstrual cycle. Toakyirafa, along with his neighbor, David Ahenkorah, and others, researched their community and traced their historical origins from ancient Israel, through Mali, the Ivory Coast, wandering throughout West Africa to escape persecution, to their present home in Ghana. Convinced of their Jewish origins, Toakyirafa began to teach about Judaism. After he died in 1991, many thought that Judaism would disappear from the community, but in 1993 Ahenkorah became community leader. He re-affirmed the community's Jewish identity, reinstituted open Jewish practice, and built a synagogue.

    There are several thousand people of unquestioned Jewish ancestry in Timbuktu, Mali. Egyptian Jews began trading with tribes in the northern part of Mali as long ago as biblical times and pushed further and further into the Sahara throughout the centuries. In the eighth century, the Rhadanites (multi-lingual Jewish traders) settled in Timbuktu and used it as a base from which they could solidify their trade routes through the desert. In the 14th and 15th centuries, Jews fleeing Spanish persecution settled in Timbuktu. In 1492, King Askia Muhammed took power in Timbuktu and threatened Jews with execution who did not convert to Islam. Some Jews fled, some converted, and some remained in Mali, suffering centuries of persecution. By the 20th century there were no practicing Jews in Mali. However, Malian Jewry has begun to experience a revival. In 1993, Ismael Diadie Haidara, a historian from Timbuktu, established Zakhor (the Timbuktu Association for Friendship with the Jewish World) for the almost one thousand Malian descendants of Jews who have become interested in exploring their identity. Zakhor's members hope to teach their children about their Jewish heritage and revive their interest in Judaism.

    In 1496 when the Portuguese expelled the Jews from their land and forced others to convert, many Cristãos Novos (“New Christians”) escaped to places like the islands of Cape Verde, the refueling stop on the Atlantic Ocean route to the New World. There they worked as merchants and in some cases slave traders, hiding their Judaism for generations. Ultimately, they stopped practicing Judaism in any form. Descendants of the Portuguese Cristãos Novos and the Moroccan-Jewish Cape Verdeans founded the Cape Verde-Israel Friendship Society in 1995 in order to revitalize Jewish life on the islands. In the late 1400s, King Manoel I of Portugal imposed a head tax on Jews to finance his colonial aspirations. When some Jews refused to pay the tax, the king punished them by deporting almost 2,000 Jewish children, ages 2-10, to two small islands off the west coast of Africa, São Tome and Principe; only 600 were alive a year later. Some of the surviving Jewish children retained some semblance of their parents' religion. Observances generally declined, but in the 19th and 20th centuries some Jewish traders arrived on the islands and seeded a small new community. Today there are no known practicing Jews on the islands, but the descendants of these exiled children have expressed interest in learning more about the customs of their ancestors.

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    Post  orthodoxymoron Tue Aug 30, 2011 8:23 pm

    What if the real issues at the heart of our problems really originated long before any of our souls arrived on Planet Earth? What if all of the madness goes back to Sirius, or somewhere in Orion? Once again, are all of our souls part of the 'Orion Group'? If so, why did we come here, and what were our goals? Just tracing our Earth history in great detail might not be enough. I continue to think that we need to work outward from an idealistic and mysterious blend of psychology, ethics, politics, religion, law, communications, arts, and sciences. I would like to pursue this in the context of a Theocratically-Implemented, Responsibility-Based, United States of the Solar System. I might be wrong about this, for various reasons, but I will keep passively promoting this concept, just to see where it all ends up. Others no doubt have other ideas, and this might shape-up to be a very interesting and passionate infowar. What bothers me a lot, is that so much of our civilization seems to be built on the shifting sands of lies and injustice. We seem to have woven a very tangled web of deceit. Perhaps some of this has been necessary, for various and sundry unknown reasons, but I tend to think that we need to move toward the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth -- with all deliberate speed -- whether we like it, or not. I think there have only been a couple of comments on this thread over the past three or four months. Was it something I said? Is this too boring? Is this too complicated? Is this too upsetting? 95% of my questions remain unanswered, despite all of the love, light, and enlightenment. My conclusion is that we are in very, very deep trouble -- and we don't know it -- and we seem to almost be past the point of no return. Getting this planet back on track might be much more difficult than even I think. How many people in the world are really and truly privy to what is really and truly wrong? A thousand? There's a big difference between knowing, and thinking that you know. I don't think I'm one of those who know, but I think that I have defined an area of study, within this thread, which leads one to knowing, in a fairly direct manner. Unfortunately, I am so traumatized by all of this, that I can't seem to function very well, so others really will have to carry the ball, but I'm not seeing that happening. I feel a bit like President Martinez, in 'The Event', when he calls for a reinstatement vote, even though he can hardly stand up. Jarvis reminded me of LBJ.

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    Post  orthodoxymoron Tue Aug 30, 2011 11:08 pm

    Is there any evidence that North Africa once had lush vegetation? Why would the gods choose a desert to build the pyramids and a civilization? Is the desert a result of some sort of deliberate flooding or the use of WMD's? I think I need to study the subject of African Royalty. Are we dealing with a plundering of a rich and abundant North Africa by the Raiders of the Lost Ark? Are the subjects of Reptilian Queens and North Africa related? I've heard stories. So, what if things were bad in Sirius? What if things were bad in Africa? What if the Raiders of the Lost Ark were Rebels Without a Clue? What if we are so fragmented and screwed-up that we are way past the point of no return? What if the Gods and Goddesses are Vengeful Deities? What if we are on the brink of extinction? What if the Original Sin was the Unpardonable Sin? What if all of the Pain, Suffering, and Death just isn't worth it? Would a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System which incorporated the very best psychology, ethics, politics, religion, law, communications, arts, and sciences - including the best aspects of the Old World Order and the New World Order - be worth a try? I have made detailed proposals elsewhere in this thread - with very little response - and virtually no alternatives. I have to listen to various researchers, and conduct imaginary conversations with them. There is a war going on inside of me 24/7, and for what? Why am I doing this? Insecurity is breeding more insecurity, as I slide further and further down the snake-hole. It's like a chain-reaction. Conversation is virtually non-existant. This is utter insanity. I don't know who's side I'm on, or who my enemies might be. I don't know what I'm supposed to do, or not do. I'm tired of this sick and stupid game. If one doesn't think, they are considered to be stupid. If one thinks deeply and independently, they are considered to be a threat. I get the feeling that the galactic and supernatural issues and problems are not going away anytime soon. I get the feeling that this galaxy is a zoo, and that we will experience nothing but trouble and insanity, going forward forever, no matter how hard we try to do the right thing. This is all about vengence, retribution, recompense, utter-destruction, karmic-debt, divine-justice, etc, etc, etc -- rather than being about positive and constructive solutions. I was sort of looking forward to the heaven they promised me in the hundreds of sermons I slept through, but it's beginning to look like purgatory is as good as it gets. I would like to see North Africa become lush with vegetation of some kind, with the help of desalination plants, and massive irrigation projects. Even a system of lakes or small seas would be cool. Then get rid of the war-lords and preventable-diseases -- make all areas of Africa safe to visit, live in, and invest in -- and we might be able to get something going around here. Oh, I forgot, we're not supposed to make things better. We're supposed to keep things screwed-up. Sorry.

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    Post  orthodoxymoron Wed Aug 31, 2011 12:53 am

    Once again, I'm sorry for whatever I did to make everyone stop talking to me. Actually, hardly anyone talked to me, right from the beginning! I'm still looking for humans, reptilians, and greys to talk to. Should I make this thread more complex and scholarly? Should I make it more down to earth? Should I place the United States of the Solar System in disaster and crisis mode? The doom and gloom threads seem to be doing quite well lately! Should I discuss the likely aftermath of an all-out interplanetary war? Should I produce my own version of 'When War Comes' or 'On the Beach'? Perhaps I should really pull out all of the stops, open the swell-shutters, and produce a complete thread-page of written material, each and every day, with no pictures, but with ample footnotes and big words. Should I do a play by play of the international news? Should I imitate Alex Jones, but in a more esoteric manner? Should I rant and rave about Bill and Kerry? Should I kick Dick? Should I get everyone on the Mists to start fighting with each other? Should I do an abraxasinas imitation? Should I eat my dragon, and join the Council of Thuban? Should I start a flesh-eating and blood-drinking cult or religion, even though there's already a glut in this market? Should I tell dirty jokes, and post soft porn? Should I just give everyone what they want, and tell them what they want to hear? Should I go through the Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, preaching and teaching the Truth of God from the Word of God? Or, should I just smoke a joint and get laid? I really like interviews, documentaries, and science-fiction. I like posting on the internet, but I really do need to lower my expectations. I also need to stop posting, and get serious about writing something which might actually pay my bills. Then I might get enough money to fix-up and redecorate my house, get a new car, get a bong, and seduce a beautiful young woman to discuss the interrelationship of psychology, ethics, politics, and religion in the context of the Old World Order, the New World Order, and the New Solar System - in a Post December 21, 2012 Solar System - with a special emphasis on control of the startgate system and the advanced ancient technology. After that, we could discuss what's REALLY underneath the Vatican. When we get everything all figured-out, then we might smoke pot and get laid. But perhaps we should wait until we get married. But why get married, and spoil a beautiful relationship? We'll compromise, and wait till the second date. "You gonna make me wear one of those rubbers Mildred? You know the church says it's a sin!" What would Joseph Fletcher say? What would Bishop James Pike say? Those backslidden Episcopalians! What? Pass the Port Tawny!

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    Post  orthodoxymoron Wed Aug 31, 2011 2:21 am

    I continue to be interested in the ethics of how money is made - from fractional reserve banking, to selling people things they don't need and which aren't good for them, to day-trading the heck out of a security, to insider-trading, to tobacco and alcohol sales, to illegal and legal drugs, to taxation, to war blood money, to bank robbery, and on and on and on and on. Does competition and money-making usually involve some sort of deception and ill-intent? Do really nice, loving, and trusting people do well in business and athletics? Get out there and win, win, win - and make lots and lots of money! Should there be some sort of an ethics-rating connected with the GNP and the S&P Rating? Does one make money by loving their neighbor as themselves, and doing unto others as they would have others do unto them? Think about it, and be honest. Why prevent an illness or injury which could make our hospitals and doctors 100K - free and clear?! No margin? No mission! Wanna go for a ride in my new Ferrari? Ethics? What's ethics? What are you? Some kind of a nut? Just take the money and run? Screw the competition and your secretary! Right? Worrying about right and wrong all the time will put you in the poor-house and the nut-house! Right? Greed is good! Right? Did I miss anything? 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vscG3k91s58 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWshPH_jsjQ Don't get me wrong, I think the human race needs challenges and game-playing. I'd just like to see us take a higher road regarding the games people play. BTW, I'd love to go for a ride in an Enzo Ferrari, without taking anyone for a ride. One more thing. I was once in an audience of around 500 people, listening to Kenneth L. Woodward, Religion Editor for 'Newsweek', and people had been asking various questions. Well, I raised my hand, and asked a question about Christians and Money. I received a fairly generic answer, and then I noticed that no one had any more questions. Mr. Woodward commented on this, and closed the Q&A. As I previously mentioned, I asked Dr. Charles Windom (C. Everret Koop's boss) what percentage of the national healthcare expenditures were for prevention? A moderator intervened with 'That was a complicated question', and I didn't get an answer. The room was filled with medical doctors, and none of them said a word about this question and the lack of an answer. Should I turn my quest into a busines, or should I just keep casting my pearls for free? What Would Loki Do? I envision a Responsible Free-Enterprise where Responsibility is Rewarded and Irresponsibility is Punished. I really do want the good guys and gals to win in business, athletics, and in all areas of life. It seems to work in just the opposite manner presently. I will continue to conceptualize the most idealistic United States of the Solar System that I possibly can, in the context of real-world catastrophies and horrors. This concept would take a HUGE amount of time and effort to properly develop and implement. I still like the idea of a University of Solar System Studies and Governance, with campuses throughout the solar system, being at the core of a U.S.S.S. Peer review, study, research, graduate-student questions, etc. would help to keep things on the up and up -- but it would obviously not be a guarantee. I really do need a lot of help in developing this concept. This is just a brain-storm and a study-guide. This is the Dawning of a Brave New Solar System. Don't be frightened. I mean no harm. I am of peace. Always.

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    Post  orthodoxymoron Wed Aug 31, 2011 3:19 pm

    The following is a rephrasing of what I have already posted. Are we dealing with a Sirius A v Sirius B Civil War - Distally? Are we dealing with an African (Sirius A) Old World Order v European and American (Sirius B) New World Order continuation of the hypothetical Sirian War in Heaven - Proximally? What were, and are, the issues in Sirius? What were, and are, the issues here? I have issues with the Pope, the Queen, the Queen of Heaven, and the God of This World -- but I don't know what the real issues have been -- going back thousands or even millions of years. We know that Adolph Hitler and Pope Pius XII did some questionable things in the 1930's and 1940's -- but who were they taking orders from -- and did they REALLY know what was going on?? I think that sorting this out could be VERY confusing and dangerous. What if Michael / Horus / Jesus is both a friend and an enemy of BOTH sides? What if he (or she?) has been both a peace-maker and a brutal-warrior? What if he or she is not even close to being perfect? What if Earth was supposed to be Paradise for the Orion Group from Sirius -- but turned out to be Purgatory and Hell? I don't think that physical and spiritual existence began on Earth. I don't think our problems began on Earth, and I don't think our problems will end if we get talked into going somewhere else. My immediate concern is to prevent the extinction of the human race, and to improve Purgatory. I might be aiming too low, but it's a start. One more thing. Xylanthia, which supposedly orbits Sirius C, has no night, because of its proximity to Sirius A and B. Revelation 22:5 speaks of no night in Heaven or the New Jerusalem. Some say that we are from Xylanthia. Check this out. http://xylanthia.com/ Interesting...
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:15 pm

    XI. "Thou Shalt Not Talk to Orthodoxymoron".

    I'd still like to know what happened 2-4 months ago, relative to me and my views. I would appreciate articulations, pro or con, regarding what I have posted. I continue to be sluggish and passive, even though I hate being this way. I'm really easy to deal with, at this point, but I'm firming up my views, slowly but surely, so now would be an optimal time to debate me, and possibly change my mind. It might not be quite so easy in a year or two, although I intend to always remain open and honest.
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Thu Sep 01, 2011 9:16 am

    Take another look at 'Star Wars', 'Battlestar Galactica' (I typed this 5 seconds before BSG was mentioned on the Alex Jones show!), 'The Event', 'V' (old and new), 'Avatar', and the Alex Jones documentaries. This all fits together. Once again, I am trying to be on everyone's side, rather than circling the wagons and closing my mind. I don't relish trench-warfare with anyone. Continue to use my work as a study-guide, rather than being the last word. (although I doubt anyone has done that!) I am defining areas of study, and I am posing questions, which will hopefully lead to some of the solutions we need. I'm hoping to become a better live and in-person debater, but I certainly have a long way to go in this regard. I have a burning desire to be a Master-Debater. I'm still a back of the room observer and commenter. But, really, perhaps that's the way it should stay. They say that it takes all kinds, and perhaps I fill some sort of a void. Who knows? Unrelatedly, perhaps I should spend a lot of time studying Sirius from both a scientific and a non-scientific perspective. Even the original 'V' in the 80's revealed the Visitors as being from Sirius. Old 'Dr. Who' episodes dealt with ET's from Sirius. Have there been any suggestions that Nibiru is Sirius C? If so, is a planet orbiting with it? What would happen to the motion of Sirius A and B if Sirius C were removed? It seems strange that the huge Sirius A would orbit the very small Sirius C dwarf-star. Any thoughts? Perhaps I should spend some quality time with Patricia Cori. Finally, is Zeus really Michael / Horus / Jesus? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuFhWvU1nbQ What do you think of the reincarnating archangel hypothesis? What if the mythologies and religions revolve around very real rival archangels? The myths and religions might be 90% fabrication, but might still contain 10% absolute truth ( plus or minus 5%). The various religions and myths might be different versions of the same things. A minor deity might create a myth of a major deity. In the beginning god created God? Perhaps both the fundamentalists and the atheists are wrong. God might not exist - but there might be a very real god. I suggest this with the deepest respect for the Universal Powers That Be. If God did not exist - it might be necessary for god to invent God. Perhaps the Figure of Jesus as the God/Man is a reasonable representation of a very real Divinity - as a Human Body with an Archangelic Soul. Perhaps God really is One of Us. Remember in 'The Day the Earth Stood Still' the ET said that his body was human. Perhaps all of us are ET's on the soul-level. Perhaps all of us are angelic at the soul-level. Once again, watch this Stargate SG-1 compilation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b365_qJEpDg It's somewhat sacrilegious, but it helps to illustrate my point. Think about it, and then talk to me. One more thing, I have a Bible I really like, although I suspect that many Christians would object to it, and I would understand why. It is the 'Remnant Study Bible - with E.G. White Comments'. It is a Red-Letter Edition, New King James Version of the Holy Bible, with Ellen White Quotations Throughout. I like the idea of studying Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John - and looking up the referenced texts throughout the Bible which are in fine-print. You might like to try this approach while listening to sacred classical music. I am not a big fan of Fundamentalist Innerrantists -- or of Backslidden Liberal Scoffers. I like the idea of alternating between liberal and conservative -- rather than being one or the other. Don't try to pin me down or pigeon-hole me. I won't cooperate...
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:24 pm

    I worry about who REALLY controls ALL of the WMD's in the Solar System. What if they are ALL controlled by a single organization, or even a single individual? My bias is that a New World Order Solar System Government has existed for thousands of years, after defeating an Old World Order Solar System Government, but this is mostly intuition and speculation. When UFO's shut-down a missile silo, it might be a staged show, wherein the Secret Government uses the Secret Space Program to appear to shut-down part of the Secret WMD Program. Are the WMD's currently in the Best of Hands or the Worst of Hands? Who knows? I know who knows, but they're not talking...

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    Post  orthodoxymoron Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:59 pm

    Has anyone thought about the Crystal Cathedral or St. Mary's Cathedral (or both) as being the symbolic headquarters of a hypothetical Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System, with the University of California system being the foundation of a University of Solar System Studies and Governance, tied into Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Los Alamos National Laboratory, Area 51, the Mag-Lev Train System, the DUMB's, and the Secret Space Program -- throughout the Solar System? Remember, this is a conceptual test. This is only a test. I get really nervous and uneasy whenever I think about this sort of thing. When I post this sort of thing, probably others do as well. The Cathedral Idea is really for glory, grandeur, pomp, and circumstance - with perhaps 2,000 of the 10,000 U.S.S.S. Representatives in attendance. If both Cathedrals were used, one could serve as the House, with the other as the Senate. All representatives would be united by a very secure and encrypted InterPlaNet SuperLuminal Internet System (Patent Pending). I keep wondering what the Pentagon, the Russians, and the Chinese would think of such a development? Would this result in a safer, or a more dangerous solar system? Lots of eyes would prevent corruption and megalomania -- but would this result in WMD Mass Confusion? All of this is VERY frightening for me to think about. Is it helpful for the general public to think about this subject? What do you think? I think this might be the crazy-stage in my thought process. Probably the DUMB's located throughout the Solar System would be where the 10,000 U.S.S.S. Representatives would reside. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v8Txa2LRBE I'm nervous about having all of them in one location, or even having all of them on one moon or one planet. Perhaps the University of Solar System Studies and Governance would simply exist to provide an education to prospective Representative Candidates. I don't want corruption. I don't want incompetence. I don't want confusion. I don't want any bullshit whatsoever. Any questions? What would Dr. Strangelove say?
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Thu Sep 01, 2011 3:33 pm

    A Thousand Representatives (a thousand points of light?) in a single location would be a lot simpler, wouldn't it? Circular-seating for a thousand at St. Mary's? Or how about Mt. Weather? But how would they be chosen? How would they be kept safe? How would they be kept uncorrupted? How would they be hired and fired? What if one of them went rogue? What if they all went rogue? What would Percy and Nikita say? What if they suddenly all became demon possessed? I just think it would be cool to be around the 1,000 genuinely best and brightest beings in the solar system, for an extended period of time. The trouble is, the best ideas and intentions often turn to ashes. I like really, really smart and wise people who don't talk a lot, but when they do, they have a helluva lot to say, with very few words. Sometimes one sentence in one hour is more than enough. 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgSSRE27GQ0 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpL6EIMShO4&NR=1 3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It0Dtm1gFFQ&feature=related Imagine a roomful of people like Rachael (Angela Bassett) in 'Contact'. I have spoken to individuals who were like this, on very rare occasions. Is anyone following this thread? If so, are they keeping up with this madness? No matter how one puts things together, it always seems wrong somehow. Perhaps that's the way it is. What would Walter Cronkite say? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj0bwLBckkI What if the most competent individuals in the solar system are a roomful of Kabbalists, Nazis, and Dracs? The solar system might be stranger than we can possibly imagine. I'm frankly preparing myself for just about anything. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSzyO86Npj0 Who do you think Mr. Hadden is in real-life? Did Mr. Hadden live on a UFO/JET which rarely landed for anyone? Who is Rachel in real-life? Who is Palmer Joss in real-life? 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyYdJ_YgUmQ&feature=related 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a1iKvttEAk&feature=related How does one keep the best and the brightest at the top of the heap, at all times -- rather than having the most corrupt and powerful at the top of the pyramid? Those who have the ability to make it to the top, might not do the best job at the top. So, how many individuals should be at the top of solar system governance? Where should they meet? What should they do?

    Would a Theocratically-Implemented, Responsibility-Based, United States of the Solar System, with 10,000 PhD Representatives, keep the best and the brightest at the top? Who would compose the Theocratic aspect of this formula? How would they be chosen? What would they do? Would a theocratic aspect even need to exist? Does there need to be an authority of last resort? Or, should we just have a God or a Trinity of Gods run the whole solar system? Can a Good God become a Bad God? What if 95% of the solar system hates God? If there were no theocratic interaction whatsoever, what would be the fate of humanity in this solar system? Are we about to find out? It makes me wonder. It really makes me wonder. They supposedly had the best and the brightest at the Rand Corporation, but read 'Soldiers of Reason'. It'll scare the hell out of you. Then, read 'Family of Secrets'. When you're done with that, read 'The Secret Plot to Make Ted Kennedy President'. I keep getting the sinking feeling that things will always be a mess, no matter what we do. One incompetent and corrupt team replaces another incompetent and corrupt team replaces another incompetent and corrupt team replaces another incompetent and corrupt team. Everyone is an expert, and thinks they can do a better job, until they get their chance, and fall flat on their faces. "Spin-Doctors to the War-Room for Damage-Control! STAT!!" "Forget the economy!! It's appearances, STUPID!!" Imagine there's no idiots! It's easy, if you try! If there is a solar sytem war in progress, can all of you evolve just a little bit more? "Peace! Be still!" Take some Ex-Lax. Smoke a joint. Get laid. Do what you have to do to calm-down. Try really, really hard to think and behave rationally. How much of an Iron-Fist and a Titanium-Backbone is necessary to keep this Solar System from self-destructing? All we need is love? Why didn't I think of that? The rich and the clever always seem to profit from whatever situation exists. The good are often naive. The bad are often clever. How can we make sure that the best and the brightest run things, and continue to do the right thing, regardless of the temptations to do otherwise? One more thing. In 'Contact', why did the blind-guy tell the National Security Advisor, "It's nice to smell you"? I guess the bottom-line is that the fun never ends. We just keep going 'round and 'round in circles with our circular-reasoning and endless-fighting. World without end or reason. Amen Ra. Isis? Both? I know there are millions or even billions of people who are smarter than me, but how many people think like I do? Probably not very many. Is that a good thing or a bad thing? I continue to experience a tremendous sense of dread, combined with my incurable optimism and unyielding despair. Am I too good, or am I not good enough for you? Which is it? Both? Would you like me to hold your coats? You know where I live and work, if you'd like to talk to me. You even have my phone-number and email-address. On the other hand, perhaps I should just get out of Dodge... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiU77PamYls&feature=related

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    Post  orthodoxymoron Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:02 pm

    I have mixed feelings about reptilian humanoid beings. If they were loving, kind, and ethical - I'd be willing to deal with them in kind - but I keep hearing horror stories. I really get the feeling that most of them don't like human beings one little bit. I don't doubt that there are exceptions, and I have stated repeatedly, that if I absolutely knew that I would not be harmed in any way, and that I wouldn't be kidnapped, I would hitch a ride on a Draconian Mothership or Queenship. Strange appearance and behavior wouldn't make me hate them. But if they enslaved, tortured, killed, and ate humans - the party would be over. I keep wondering if reptilian humanoids have the same type of soul as mammalian humanoids? I keep wondering if the human race has reptilian roots? Instead of being created by the reptilians as a slave race, what if we were the reptilians who created ourselves, so to speak, in a hybridization program? I know that 'Creating Ourselves' sounds strange, but I think we should consider all possibilities, no matter how ridiculous they might seem to be. I keep thinking that evil lurks behind Nibiru, Elenin, and Fukushima. I want this nasty madness to end. I'm not really sure what I'm doing on this thread. It really is a strange mix! What should this sort of thing be called, other than madness? I'm not representing myself as being any sort of authority or insider. I'm not selling anything, yet. I don't do channeling or regression. I've had some strange experiences, but I haven't gone looking for them, other than passively researching and being open to a wide variety of possibilities, including the possibility that bad guys and gals can become good guys and gals. I have been somewhat political, but I don't get involved in politics as usual. I see eye to eye with Alex Jones and Ron Paul, but my style is completely different than theirs. I speak of religion, yet I am a strange mixture of conservative and liberal, orthodox and heretic. I engage in fantasy and science-fiction, yet I try to make it as reality-based as possible. I think I might have an interesting reincarnational past, for a variety of reasons, yet I don't know what that past is. I chickened-out about doing an FOIA inquiry. Sometimes ignorance is bliss. One more thing. What is the relationship between North-Africa, the Vatican, the Nazis, the Persians, and Teutonic-Zionism? The answer to this question might have everything to do with the alleged Vatican Slush Fund Accounts, and with who owns the Presidents, Congress, Treasury, and the Supreme Court. There seems to be an underlying current of the Ancient Raiders of North African Civilization, which might've included the Lost Ark. I wonder if the Vatican and the Secret Government are reformable. I think there is a way to do it right, but what are the chances of this happening? Would a Vatican-Based, Namaste-Constitutional, Responsible-Freedom United States of the Solar System have a chance of properly cleaning things up, and setting this solar system on a proper course, going forward for thousands or millions of years? I tend to think that those who know the most about what's really going on in this solar system are at the highest and deepest levels of the Vatican, both figuratively and literally, if you know what I mean. I will continue to imagine myself as being a Renegade French Jesuit Organist. What a tangled tale I weave...

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    Post  orthodoxymoron Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:02 pm

    Don't be frightened. I mean no harm. Continue to watch everything and listen to everyone, without placing too much weight or trust in anyone or anything. Each day is a new day. Be prepared to start over every day. Today, I'm listening to an audio-version of the 'Book of Enoch'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKnTAbmHSrw&feature=related Here is the printed version. http://www.sherryshriner.com/books/complete_book_of_enoch.htm This thread is only a study-guide. It's only the beginning, and it just scratches the surface. The more I learn, the less I seem to know. Just keep researching and asking questions. Never stop, but this won't be easy. Things might be unimaginably difficult, but never give up. Namaste and Godspeed. I am of peace. Always.
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    Post  Carol Fri Sep 02, 2011 2:04 pm

    That is the crux of the matter isn't it Oxy? The more we learn the more we realize what we don't know. I think this was one of the reasons I was attracted to the Masters from India at such an early age. The development of their paranormal abilities through the spiritual practice of yoga and meditation fascinated me and created a desire within to follow that particular spiritual path for so many years. It truly is a scientific methodology I could relate to with specific paranormal abilities being triggered s as a result of engaging in these various spiritual practices. Hatha yoga, breath and meditation is all it takes to directly tap into universal knowledge. One just needs the dedication and willingness to put the hours in for spiritual practice. It's the combination of these three that accelerate ones spiritual growth and paranormal abilities.

    Unfortunately, western life style is a detriment to this type of life as western life is like a cup running over with constant activity. One must learn how to empty the cup first in order to obtain the knowledge from direct zero point conscious awareness connection.

    Remember the movie Avatar? Do you recall how Jake Sully connected the ends of his long braid to the nerve endings of other life forms? Think of meditation. In meditation one learns how to empty the ego mind in order to connect with the universal mind. Ego monkey mind must learn how to step aside if one is to know oneself as pure conscious awareness.

    With all the great pictures you post here and different ideas, it is easy to understand why so many members and guests like to visit this thread.


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    Post  orthodoxymoron Fri Sep 02, 2011 2:16 pm

    Thank-you Carol. The Indian Way is probably a valid and beneficial one, but I'm addicted to a pluralistic internet path, which is reflective and meditative, yet which is just the opposite of emptying one's mind. I wouldn't mind being a Renegade French Jesuit Organist living in a French Catholic Monastery with a Cray Supercomputer and a Sport-Model UFO! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enWiFcsBqIE Imagine what I'd be like if I took drugs...

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgNj2Sf_mgo Nestled deep in the postcard-perfect French Alps, the Grande Chartreuse is considered one of the world's most ascetic monasteries. In 1984, German filmmaker Philip Gröning wrote to the Carthusian order for permission to make a documentary about them. They said they would get back to him. Sixteen years later, they were ready. Gröning, sans crew or artificial lighting, lived in the monks' quarters for six months—filming their daily prayers, tasks, rituals and rare outdoor excursions. This transcendent, closely observed film seeks to embody a monastery, rather than simply depict one—it has no score, no voiceover and no archival footage. What remains is stunningly elemental: time, space and light. One of the most mesmerizing and poetic chronicles of spirituality ever created, INTO GREAT SILENCE dissolves the border between screen and audience with a total immersion into the hush of monastic life. More meditation than documentary, it's a rare, transformative theatrical experience for all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUYjqp5PDdc&feature=player_embedded

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    Post  Blacklight43 Fri Sep 02, 2011 2:25 pm

    Thank you OXY. I do appreciate all you contribute here. It's entertaining and educational. I think I must be one of your biggest fans. I always look forward to the next post. Keep up the good efforts. Very Happy
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    Post  mudra Fri Sep 02, 2011 2:36 pm

    Blacklight43 wrote:Thank you OXY. I do appreciate all you contribute here. It's entertaining and educational. I think I must be one of your biggest fans. I always look forward to the next post. Keep up the good efforts. Very Happy

    Blacklight I am so happy you give OXY this acknowledgement . I think he deserves it .
    I am a very poor contributor to OXY's threads as they are way above what my mind can think with .
    But I do Love and appreciate OXY's Heart and intention .
    He is a great writer too .

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    Post  orthodoxymoron Fri Sep 02, 2011 2:48 pm

    Thank-you Blacklight43. I'm actually more interested in seeing what people do with the subjects I have briefly touched upon than I am with the thread itself. I'm sort of an intellectual pak-rat. I venture forth into the cold, cruel world - and just keep bringing back bits and pieces of this and that. This is really a 'Look what I just found! Now what are you gonna do!' thread. "OMG! Look what OXY dragged in! Yuck!" What do you think about the warnings of the coastlines being hit by earthquakes, walls of water, and chunks of the coastline falling into the ocean? I'm basing some of my conceptual work on Californian Cathedrals and the University of California Campuses, many of which are very close to the Pacific Ocean. I have a nasty vision of everything being set-up picture-perfect, and subsequently being utterly destroyed by the Vengeful Deities with unrighteous indignation...

    Thank-you mudra. This is all way above what I can think about properly, which is why I keep asking for help and insights. I suspected a lot of this decades ago, but I decided not to get in over my head, and to not stick my nose where it didn't belong, so I just listened to Art Bell, and thought a lot. The internet changed everything. I was practicing the pipe-organ 4 or 5 years ago, and I seemed to hear a still, small voice, saying 'Everything is going to be revealed, and brought out into the open. There's going to be a big fight, and then things will be better.' I certainly hope that things will be better, but I'm not holding my breath...

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    Post  orthodoxymoron Fri Sep 02, 2011 6:01 pm

    EAST OF GIZA? THE QUEST FOR THE HISTORICAL HORUS?

    Possible Pecking Order:

    Ancient Egyptian/Atlantian Old World Order? Osiris (Adam?) and Isis (Kate?) ruling behind the scenes, with Ra (Cal?) and Horus (Aaron?) serving as Pharaohs (or equivalent)?

    1. Osiris?
    2. Isis?
    3. Horus? (favored by Osiris?)
    4. Ra? (favored by Isis?)

    Osiris Forceably Removed from the Solar System? Horus taken hostage? Original Hostage Horus? Sorry KRLLL. Ancient Babylonian/Egyptian/Grecian/Roman New World Order? Isis ruling behind the scenes, with Ra and Horus serving as Pharaohs (or equivalent)?

    1. Isis?
    2. Ra?
    3. Horus?
    Osiris Removed?

    Horus rebels against Isis, and becomes a deposed and crucified personna non grata? Isis continues to rule behind the scenes, with Ra serving as emperors (or equivalent)?

    1. Isis?
    2. Ra?
    Horus deposed and crucified?

    Ra and Horus join forces to overthrow Isis around 700-900 A.D.? Isis continues to rule behind the scenes, with Kings, Queens, and Popes serving in place of Christ, or Antichrist? Ra and Horus work behind the scenes against Isis? Both are now deposed and personnas non grata?

    1. Isis?
    2. Kings, Queens, and Popes?
    Horus works as an architect, artist, musician, and writer for the Vatican?

    Ra overthrows Isis during the Second World War, but Horus is deeply traumatized by the horrors of the World Wars, and the Weapons of Mass Destruction? Ra rules supremely? Horus is completely out of power, broken and despondant? Ra initiates the modern version of the New World Order, complete with the United Nations, Roswell, the Alphabet Agencies, Project Paperclip, the Secret Space Program, the Secret Government, the Nazification of the United States, Vatican II, Senseless Undeclared Wars, the UN Charter superseding the US Constitution, False-Flag Terrorism, Deep Underground Military Bases, Secret Genetic Hybridization Experiments, Introduction of Invented Diseases such as AIDS, etc., etc. - as a prelude to a Harsh and Open New World Order Dictatorship/Theocracy/Technocracy following deliberately inflicted Earth-Changes, Various Extermination Modalities, Alien-Invasions, and a Staged Second-Coming of Christ?

    1. Ra?
    2. Kings, Queens, Popes, and Presidents?
    Isis is now mostly out of power, but continues to work behind the scenes?
    Horus has no reincarnational remembrance, and lives an ordinary life?
    Osiris returns, intent on executing divine justice upon a Planet in Rebellion?
    Horus starts to remember, and intercedes for Humanity, despite mankind's reprehensible original and continuing sin?
    Ra threatens to exterminate the human race if he is removed from power?
    The various hidden factions fight for power?

    What will happen in the next exciting episode of EAST OF GIZA?
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:38 pm

    So, where do I go from here? Where would I end up if I overdosed on the following?

    1. Nature.
    2. The Four Gospels.
    3. Sacred Classical Music.
    4. The Federalist Papers.
    5. The Anti-Federalist Papers.
    6. The U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights.

    I feel as though I need some resolution to all of my delving into this, and delving into that. Or perhaps I should delve into Zoroastrianism, and meditate upon the Zoroastrian Jesus, flying high above the altar of the Cathedral of St. John, the Divine. Seriously, I think I'm going to give the Aliens and the Egyptians a rest. One more thing. After practicing the organ at the local church, a very long time ago, I thought I heard a still, small voice saying 'I'm going to get as much mileage out of the old theology as I can, but I'm working on a new theology.' I'm probably paraphrasing this a bit, but that was the gist. One evening, while practicing the organ at this same church, the organist entered the church, and in a very strange voice asked 'Who's here, and why?' I had been practicing the Toccata and Fugue in D-minor by J.S. Bach - so it was sort of creepy! When they were constructing this huge pipe-organ, people were talking about the errection of the organist's organ -- in church!!! I even watched!!! What would Guy Bovet say??? (Gee Bow-vey)

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    Post  orthodoxymoron Sat Sep 03, 2011 10:08 am

    What were the conditions in the Old World Order which gave rise to the New World Order? What are the conditions in the New World Order which will give rise to the New Solar System? What will the conditions be in the New Solar System which will give rise to whatever newfangled idea some crack-pot like me dreams up? Seriously, has anything worked for any significant length of time, anywhere in the universe? We get bored. We get cranky. We get agitated. We get rebellious. We are a restless and fickle race, but what about the other races? This is why I am a combination of incurable optimism and unyielding despair. No matter how carefully and expertly things are planned and implemented, something will always go wrong. Maybe even seriously and devastatingly wrong. I will continue to conceptualize that which is idealistic, yet I will prepare for every conceivable disaster. Is my marital-spat and sibling-rivalry model of solar system governance somewhat close to the mark? I have no idea, but it might get some of you thinking in ways which will result in a definitive answer. I need to get serious about all of this, and I need to be much less of a smart-alec or a dumass. My posts should probably read like George Will or Hugh Sidey editorials on the Presidency. How is the general public holding up out there? Are more people becoming mentally-ill, due to all of the complex and confusing information in books, lectures, and on the internet? Will the people who care the most, get hurt the worst? I tend to think so. It shouldn't be that way, but I suspect that it is...
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    Post  Carol Sat Sep 03, 2011 10:57 am

    orthodoxymoron wrote:XI. "Thou Shalt Not Talk to Orthodoxymoron".

    I'd still like to know what happened 2-4 months ago, relative to me and my views. I would appreciate articulations, pro or con, regarding what I have posted. I continue to be sluggish and passive, even though I hate being this way. I'm really easy to deal with, at this point, but I'm firming up my views, slowly but surely, so now would be an optimal time to debate me, and possibly change my mind. It might not be quite so easy in a year or two, although I intend to always remain open and honest.

    Oxy, have you ever considered the possibility that most people don't feel they have the knowledge that you have or expertise of the subject matter to debate you?

    You sir, have created a rarefied atmosphere for debate that only the Masters who have access to universal knowledge could step in and clarify your confusion.

    Most of the members just sit in awe of what you manage to come up with.

    One would have to be well versed in the topics you present even to comment... but this little reality doesn't stop folks from following your threads to see what you sorted out to question next. In the end... you will discover that all of the answers to these questions really do dwell within you and will flow forth once you consciously connect to universal mind.

    I often thought the exploration of ones own consciousness the most intriguing, the most interesting, the most challenging, the most fun and the most satisfying past-time one could engage in. Unfortunately, the western political climate disagrees and creates laws to stop activities that would allow humankind to make that evolutionary leap. Most will have to wait for a NDE or OBE for this to happen... and fewer still, those committed to a spiritual practice, will understand what this is all about.


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    Post  Beren Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:04 pm

    Carol wrote:
    orthodoxymoron wrote:XI. "Thou Shalt Not Talk to Orthodoxymoron".

    I'd still like to know what happened 2-4 months ago, relative to me and my views. I would appreciate articulations, pro or con, regarding what I have posted. I continue to be sluggish and passive, even though I hate being this way. I'm really easy to deal with, at this point, but I'm firming up my views, slowly but surely, so now would be an optimal time to debate me, and possibly change my mind. It might not be quite so easy in a year or two, although I intend to always remain open and honest.

    Oxy, have you ever considered the possibility that most people don't feel they have the knowledge that you have or expertise of the subject matter to debate you?

    You sir, have created a rarefied atmosphere for debate that only the Masters who have access to universal knowledge could step in and clarify your confusion.

    Most of the members just sit in awe of what you manage to come up with.

    One would have to be well versed in the topics you present even to comment... but this little reality doesn't stop folks from following your threads to see what you sorted out to question next. In the end... you will discover that all of the answers to these questions really do dwell within you and will flow forth once you consciously connect to universal mind.

    I often thought the exploration of ones own consciousness the most intriguing, the most interesting, the most challenging, the most fun and the most satisfying past-time one could engage in. Unfortunately, the western political climate disagrees and creates laws to stop activities that would allow humankind to make that evolutionary leap. Most will have to wait for a NDE or OBE for this to happen... and fewer still, those committed to a spiritual practice, will understand what this is all about.


    I am with Carol on this one . Ortho remember that I told you few years ago that among other things you were the reason why I decide to join AV 1 few year ago! I see how deeply you are into all this and I see your good soul all twisted up in the net of all these information which in fact is suffocating real you.

    Simply put all religion failed to draw close man to God. They all have pieces of truth but they all decided to rather follow men and not God. And this world is the result of that.

    Imagine Jesus today walking at Vatican or any other church or faith on Earth...would he reason with them or they'd look like offspring of pharisees and scribes?

    Truth is simple and truth in open for all and truth liberates ,leads to Happiness and Love.
    I don't see much that in all religions along with Vatican upon the forehead of all.

    So friend, be well and step out of noise that you are currently into. It will do your soul good.

    Be blessed in the name of Christ.

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    Post  Carol Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:03 pm


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    Post  orthodoxymoron Sat Sep 03, 2011 4:37 pm

    Thank-you Beren and Carol. In many respects, this thread is a most simple and elementary study, even though it might not seem like it, at times. I am attempting to use the methodology of theme and variations, wherein a theme is repeated over and over, but each time in a different way, such as in the 'Passacaglia and Fugue in C-minor' by J.S. Bach (BWV 582). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STij8KmsgcI I used to be able to play this piece, and it was a helluva lot of fun! A Widor-like cadenza-improvization rocks! I like a union of the German-Baroque and the French-Romantic concepts. It's almost as if Bach reincarnated into the French organists, or at least gave them lessons! Perhaps they were given much of the music they 'composed'. Who knows? I can imagine discussing all of this with someone like Alex Collier or William Bramley, especially regarding the subjects of Jesus, and of what an ideal political and religious system might consist of, at the macro level. Collier evidently agreed with Bramley's book 'The Gods of Eden', except regarding what he wrote about Jesus. Collier pointed toward Jesus being somewhat of a composite. Bramley has written a whole book about Jesus, which I have not read, but which I do intend to read. I have spoken about Jesuits both negatively and positively. The best Jesuits know a helluva lot, and they have extensive libraries, but I think they have everything to do with some very dark activities, going back many centuries, and I think they've been working for the wrong boss. But perhaps they have been fighting fire with fire in a hidden political and religious war, which I can't even begin to imagine. Not in this incarnation anyway. I continue to agree with Raven, that I am a completely ignorant fool, spending hours and hours typing internet bs, hoping for some small acknowledgement, etc, etc. I'm not in the big-leagues in any of this, and I know it. The 'Federalist Papers' are an example of big-league debate and discussion. I am amazed at the level of intellectual excellence in these papers, written and spoken centuries ago, and I am saddened and ashamed at our level of debate and discussion, on the same subjects, centuries later. Complexity is viewed as being confusion, as if ignorance were deemed to be a virtue, and genuine questioning, researching, and hypothesizing viewed as being a vice. I speak of Sacred Classical Music. If you are ever in a music store, ask to see some of the sheet music of Bach, Buxtehude, Widor, Vierne, and Dupre. It is unbelievably complex, and I often wonder if they could've really composed this music by themselves. Did Handel really write the complete 'Messiah' in three weeks? I tend to doubt it. Anyway, I guess I'll just keep thinking outside of the box, mostly on this thread, and in subsequent rewrites and reapplications. As I have mentioned previously, I seem to have met several individuals who were remarkably similar to the main characters in the funny, but sacrilegious movie 'Dogma'. I once walked up to 'Rufus', holding a box next to my head, saying 'I like to think outside of the box'! I even sang one of the love songs I had composed to 'Rufus', acapella. He seemed surprised! Perhaps I should try to do some popular music writing, rather than whipping this seemingly dead horse thread. Perhaps the time is not right for the ideas expressed in this thread. On the other hand, Dr. Ron Paul is very popular, especially away from the mainstream media crowd. I attended a rally at the University of Nevada at Las Vegas, which was packed with enthusiastic young people, hanging on the every word of an aging, and not that dynamic Republican, right at the tail-end of the failed Bush Presidency. PLEASE read 'A Foreign Policy of Freedom' by Ron Paul. It is a collection of speeches, which Dr. Paul made throughout the years. I see eye to eye with Ron Paul. I also mostly see eye to eye with Alex Jones and his guests, but I choose to not rant and rave. I just mumble on the internet, and live in my very own sci-fi show. Is it really possible to run the solar system without dealing with the devil? The powers that be seem to be more corrupt than hell itself, but what are ALL of the reasons for this? Should PTB really stand for 'Pawns That Be'? I often feel as if the center of my consciousness is located on the Moon or Mars, rather than in my messy house here on Earth...
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