Pris
SophiasChoice
You know Shiloh...
You are absolutely right. Fact is that the same happens with Cristian boys and girls that are indoctrinated by extreme cristians.
Remember the KKK?
I think You are very short sighted. A slave to what you are fed by the main stream media and incapable of discerning stand alone incidents and stories from a group of loosely related people. (people who hold the koran as holy) Same as that not all people who hold the bible as holy ascribe the samel evel of value to that book.
You are giving in to your fears and now try to project them unto us as well.
Well sir.. No thank you.
Also I am now quite certain you have not sat with someone who holds the koran dear and listened.
If you had, you would have realized there was a person sitting across from you with the same hopes and dreams as you.
Who would love nothing more than a life of joy and abundance, just like you.
And who hold his ideas for truth... Just like all of us.
In a conversation those ideas may change. But only if we listen to each other.
Sure the koran says to chop of the hands of thieves. I even think that's in the bible too.
Did you know it also states that if someone steals from hunger. Its the people in office who should get their hand cut off instead of the thief?
There's always some good to be found, as well as a shitload of misinterpretation, misunderstanding and just plain mischief...
Anyway enjoy your day. brighten up a bit and meet some new people to talk to ok?
You just may learn something
With Love
Eelco
[9:32:53 PM] Sirius 17:
Pat Selden Religions, like any other ideology, are what you make them to be; they can be peaceful or they can be brutal. Just as no one human-being is the same as the other - there's no such thing as a "true" or "false" person - there's no such thing as one Islam, one Christianity, one Judaism, one capitalism, one socialism, just dozens and dozens of different ones.
I'm a Christian, of the Quaker persuasion: I follow a religion of peace. Many of my co-religionists are aggressive, arrogant, selfish bastards - hell, many of my fellow Quakers are - and some even kill in the name of Christ; many are saints in all but name; the rest of us live in the gaps in between.
Most of the Muslims I know follow a religion of peace; these murdering assholes clearly don't.
Islam and Christianity: religions of war or peace, depending on the believers, not the faith.
"There is only love or fear."
These scumbags chose fear: don't join them.
Choose love.
[9:33:13 PM] Sirius 17: yeah i got similar rantings on the fb post just now
[9:33:17 PM] ShilohaPlace: Same idiocy see?
[9:33:37 PM] Sirius 17: yes same excuses
[9:33:58 PM] ShilohaPlace: A worship of their own intelligence and discernment, unable to discern facts from false pretenses.
[9:34:03 PM] Sirius 17: let's not question the ideology at all, look past that and just think kumbayah
[9:34:06 PM] ShilohaPlace: As coded millennia ago. We are to listen to the islamists? Are they, have they and are the nabsers listening to what we said? The hypocrisy of 2000 years ago.
[9:35:30 PM] Sirius 17: yes
[9:36:06 PM] ShilohaPlace:
(39) Jesus said, "The pharisees and the scribes have taken the keys of knowledge (gnosis) and hidden them. They themselves have not entered, nor have they allowed to enter those who wish to. You, however, be as wise as serpents and as innocent as doves."Proverbs 13:16 - King James Version (KJV)
16 Every prudent man dealeth with knowledge: but a fool layeth open his folly.
Petition to ban Donald Trump from the UK gets 100,000 signaturesDecember 9, 2015 2:40 pm By Robert Spencer 83 Comments
There is no freedom of speech in Britain anymore. There is just the big thundering herd getting led around by the political and media elites. Say something that is unpopular with those elites, and you’re liable to be banned from the country.
British Future director Sunder Katwala says: “The UK Home Office has set out clear guidelines which have led to the exclusion of preachers of hate from the UK if their presence here would not be conducive to the public good. Theresa May has excluded extreme Islamists on these grounds” — while letting in a huge number of jihad preachers, such as Mohammed al-Arefe, who has said: “Devotion to jihad for the sake of Allah, and the desire to shed blood, to smash skulls, and to sever limbs for the sake of Allah and in defense of His religion, is, undoubtedly, an honor for the believer. Allah said that if a man fights the infidels, the infidels will be unable to prepare to fight.” That was just fine with Theresa May.
Katwala goes on to say that the Home Office has “kept out those who have fanned extreme anti-Muslim prejudice, such as the bloggers Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer. Trump’s statements are more extreme than theirs.” The Express goes on to characterize us as “extremists Geller and Spencer.” How did we fan “extreme anti-Muslim prejudice” and become “extremists”? The letter that the Home Office sent me said that I was banned for saying: “[Islam] is a religion and is a belief system that mandates warfare against unbelievers for the purpose for establishing a societal model that is absolutely incompatible with Western society because media and general government unwillingness to face the sources of Islamic terrorism these things remain largely unknown.” This is a garbled version of what I actually said, which is that Islam in its traditional formulations and core texts mandates warfare against and the subjugation of unbelievers.
This is tantamount to banning me for saying that the sky is blue and the grass is green. This is what gets you labeled a dangerous “extremist” in Britain these days: noting an obvious factual point that is reinforced by every day’s headlines. And now the same sinister authoritarians who are rapidly destroying Britain have set their sights on banning Trump as well. While I am no fan of Trump and could never support his candidacy, and see a certain poetic justice in the foes of free speech turning on a man who doesn’t understand the importance of defending free speech, this is still a grave injustice, and a sign of how close Britain is to falling into the abyss.
“‘Block Donald Trump from UK’ 100,000 sign petition as fury rages over Muslim ban call,” by Greg Heffer and Rebecca Perring, Express, December 9, 2015:
A staggering FOUR Britons a second have signed a petition calling for the billionaire to be blocked from entering the UK, after he vowed to ban all Muslims from America.
At 12.30pm more than 100,000 people had signed an online petition stating: “The signatories believe Donald J Trump should be banned from UK entry”.
Reaching the 100,000 threshold means it will have to be considered for debate in Parliament.
Radical candidate Trump has sparked international outrage after he pledged to bar access to the US for all Muslims if he were to win power.
The property tycoon is hoping to win the Republican nomination to run in next November’s presidential election.
The petition adds: “The UK has banned entry to many individuals for hate speech. The same principles should apply to everyone who wishes to enter the UK.
“If the United Kingdom is to continue applying the ‘unacceptable behaviour’ criteria to those who wish to enter its borders, it must be fairly applied to the rich as well as poor, and the weak as well as powerful.”
Just after 8.30am this morning, 45,000 people had signed the petition meaning more than doubled its support in less than four hours.
Trump, who is worth an estimated $4.5billion (£3bn), yesterday tried to justify his extremist policy by bizarrely claiming some parts of London are so “radicalised” police officers fear for their lives.
The 69-year-old said he was calling for an American ban on Muslims so the country is not left with no-go areas where police are “afraid for their own lives” from Islamist terrorists like in Paris and London.
Referring to the recent Islamic State (ISIS) attacks in the French capital, he said: “Look at what happened in Paris, the horrible carnage, and frankly, if you look at Paris, and I hate to do this because the Chamber of Commerce is going to go crazy, but Paris is no longer the same city it was.
“They have sections in Paris that are radicalised, where the police refuse to go there. They’re petrified. The police refuse to go in there.
“We have places in London and other places that are so radicalised that the police are afraid for their own lives. We have to be very smart and very vigilant.”
Mayor of London Boris Johnson hit back at Trump’s false portrayal of the capital, quipping the only reason he wouldn’t go to some parts of New York “is the real risk of meeting Donald Trump”.
He added: “As a city where more than 300 languages are spoken, London has a proud history of tolerance and diversity and to suggest there are areas where police officers cannot go because of radicalisation is simply ridiculous.”
Prime Minister David Cameron also branded Trump’s far-right views “divisive, unhelpful and quite simply wrong” while Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn branded the American politician’s comments an “affront to humanity” and called for people to “unite against racism”.
The Metropolitan Police said they “would not normally dignify such comments with a response” but added Trump “could not be more wrong” with his description of ‘no-go areas’ in the capital.
He was also offered a briefing on “the reality of policing London”….
British Future director Sunder Katwala said in a statement on his organisation’s website: “It is hugely irresponsible for a prominent figure like Trump to fan the flames of prejudice in this way and raises questions over whether the UK should consider barring Trump from the UK on hate speech grounds.
“The proposals are ludicrous and unconstitutional, and will be rejected by America’s decent majority, among them many proud Muslim Americans. They are also a gift to ISIS propaganda, playing into the idea of a ‘clash of civilisations’.
He added: “It is important that the UK Government makes very clear that this extreme view is rejected and repudiated in the strongest possible terms.
“The UK Home Office has set out clear guidelines which have led to the exclusion of preachers of hate from the UK if their presence here would not be conducive to the public good.
“Theresa May has excluded extreme Islamists on these grounds, and also kept out those who have fanned extreme anti-Muslim prejudice, such as the bloggers Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer. Trump’s statements are more extreme than theirs.
“Unless and until Trump were to retract these highly prejudiced comments, there is a good case for making clear that he would be refused entry to the UK by the Home Secretary.”
Extremists Geller and Spencer were banned from attending a far-right English Defence League march in 2013 because their presence would not have been “conducive to the public good”….
Some Muslims in U.S. irritated by Obama's call for them to root out "extremism"
Ohio pro-Islamic State Muslim who called for US soldiers to be beheaded in their homes is arresteddumbledoresarmy says
December 9, 2015 at 4:36 pmSince the subject of the thread is the UK, here is a very, very interesting piece, via the excellent Israeli blogger, “Israellycool”. A review of Tommy Robinson’s book (reviewer is a bloke named ‘Brian of London’ – an Israeli who was reared in the UK and knows the territory). Brian gives it a good chit.
But it makes for terrifying reading. Best bit, however, is an extensive quote from the book in which Tommy describes what happened when, after the British authorities managed to find a way of locking him up in jail, a Muslim dawa outfit gave him a Quran…and he read it. You see, he founded the EDL on the basis of common-sense observation of mohammedan bad behaviour, without knowing exactly where all the patterns of bad behaviour were coming from…but when he was sitting in his jail cell with a Koran, with lots of time to read and reflect, and put 2 and 2 together, it all clicked into place. It was like, “Oh XXXX, so THAT’S why they’re doing this…and this…and this…”.
http://www.israellycool.com/2015/12/05/tommy-robinson-says-hes-an-enemy-of-the-state-book-review/I quote:
“Such as I had entertainment, it was getting on the nerves of the Muslim prisoners down the block with me. If there was one positive to take away from that experience, it was a better understanding of the type of people I was dealing with.
“I read the Koran during those 22 weeks in solitary and suddenly all of what I suppose people might call Islamic prejudices didn’t seem so prejudiced at all.
“Most of what I’d heard second and third hand was right there in black and white, absolute encouragement – no, a divine instruction – to act atrociously towards the rest of the world. Obey Allah or burn in hell forever. Page after page of it. Sex slaves, the lot. The thing is horrific.
“The Koran was sent to me by a Dawa group – Muslim missionaries who try to turn people to Islam.
“They probably thought they were having a laugh at my expense, but they ended up doing me a huge favour.
(ROFLMAO – talk about the Ummah scoring an ‘own goal’ and then some! giving Tommy Robinson a Quran to read so he could find out exactly what their Book of War had in it! – dda)
“I started writing down key facts, about their hateful attitude towards Jews and Christians, about sexual slavery. I couldn’t get my head round it. Here was the holy book the world’s Muslims want to rule the planet by – and if you ask my opinion, the thing should be banned for inciting racial and religious hatred on almost every page…”.
You’re in good company, Tommy Robinson. William Gladstone, a long-ago PM of the UK, held up the Koran in Parliament, called it “an accursed book” and stated that “so long as there is this book there will be no peace on the earth”.
Though from another POV, so long as there are mohammedans about on the planet, the Quran in accurate translations by non-Muslim scholars *should* be freely available – though with clearly posted warnings and non-Islamophile commentary attached – so that every Infidel knows *exactly* what the mohammedan agenda is. The Quran, Sira, Hadiths, Al-Tabari and co. *should* be on the bookshelves of every Infidel general…so that they can *anticipate* and outsmart mohammedan gang bosses in the battlefield and elsewhere. For example: once one knows about the way hudna works, all the delusive ‘peace processes’ around the world – India (with Pakistan, over Kashmir), Thailand, Philippines, Israel, etc – would be ditched by the Infidel side, as a total waste of time.
Michael Copeland says
December 9, 2015 at 6:51 pmSeveral Met officers have said the ‘Islamification’ of some parts of the capital requires ‘extra vigilance’ and they can’t wear uniforms for safety reasons – despite Scotland Yard claiming the tycoon ‘couldn’t be more wrong’. (UK Daily Mail )
http://www.barenakedislam.com/2015/12/09/uk-police-say-donald-trump-is-right-about-no-go-zones-in-london/#commentsUK Police say “Donald Trump is right about NO-GO Zones in London”“We can’t wear our uniforms in our own cars and some Muslim areas of London are so radicalized, they are virtual ‘NO-GO’ Zones,” say serving police officers today, who backed Donald Trump’s claim that some Muslim communities in the UK are no-go areas because of Muslim extremism.This is in LondonUK Daily Mail (h/t Susan K) Several Met officers have said the ‘Islamification’ of some parts of the capital requires ‘extra vigilance’ and they can’t wear uniforms for safety reasons – despite Scotland Yard claiming the tycoon ‘couldn’t be more wrong’.
Home Secretary Theresa May tonight rejected Mr Trump’s claims, insisting: ‘The police in London are not afraid to go out and police the streets.’ Gov. Bobby Jindal was bashed for saying the same thing awhile agoThe US presidential contender caused worldwide consternation yesterday after a string of incendiary remarks about Muslims, including in Britain, and said: ‘We have places in London and other places that are so radicalised that police are afraid for their own lives.’
But one serving officer said today Trump had ‘pointed out something plainly obvious, something which I think we aren’t as a nation willing to own up to.’Another policeman said that he and other colleagues fear being terror targets and spoke of the ‘dire warning’ from bosses not to wear a uniform ‘even in my own car’.
It came as more than 250,000 people – seven people every second – signed a petition demanding Mr Trump is banned from Britain for being a ‘hate preacher’ – an idea rejected by Chancellor George Osborne.billybob says
December 9, 2015 at 9:30 pmI am a bit shocked to see Geller and Spencer referred to as “Extremists”. Extreme in what way? Extremely knowledgeable and articulate? Extremely well versed in the subject of Islam? Even extremely presentable as public speakers? And Briton doesn’t want them to open a badly needed discussion in their country…
We desperately need courageous people like Geller and Spencer, who provide a valuable perspective on the the most topical issue of our times. So few people know what is in the Quran and what Islam is all about. Why aren’t the Quran and Hadiths discussed broadly in universities, exactly with the perspective provided by Geller and Spencer, in the best traditions of academia?
When I was young, the scourge of the day was Natziism and Communism. We had many books promoting these ideologies that concerned a lot of people, like Mein Kempf, Quotations from Mao Tse Tung, and many others. How did we as a society deal with our concerns? Some thought such books should be banned, while most realized that would make their insidious ideas even more alluring.
It was not by banning books, but rather, by discussing them openly in the broad light of day in universities that provided perspective. Proponents and critics were welcomed alike, and the fallacies in the core logic of these ideologies was clearly exposed in the process. This was an educational experience we grew up with, and that inoculated us against extreme ideologies. And by the way, we never lost any sleep worrying that the communists or natizis would feel insulted because we critiqued their ideologies.
Really, I shouldn’t be here on Spencer’s website talking about this. Spencer should be so booked up ahead by universities all over the West as a guest speaker that he wouldn’t have time to dabble in a website. What is wrong with this world the he isn’t? Is Islam somehow so sacred that it is exempt from healthy criticism? Of course, it exempts itself, but that doesn’t count with me. I feel I have a right to be well informed.
It seems there are people and leaders who equate criticism of Islam with hate. They want to put such discussion off limits. They are very short sighted. It seems to me if Islam was discussed from all angles as broadly and freely as communism or natziism or any other political ideology, it would be far healthier for society.
Recently, I remember so much talk of the fake religion Scientology. It was broadly discussed in forums all over the internet, to such a point where we aren’t really that interested in it anymore. Before that, they were so many other movements. Who remembers the Moonies, for example? In these cases, nobody blinked an eye at criticism of the core teachings of these groups. Nobody would accuse you of hate speech if you criticized Scientology, or even accuse you of being a racist bigot. Why should Islam be exempt?
It is my hope that one day we will no longer hear Geller and Spencer referred to as “Extremists”. Rather, they will simply be sought after lecturers and guest speakers who are appreciated for their knowledge and perspective.
PrayerWarrior says
December 9, 2015 at 9:53 pmhttp://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/625545/Donald-Trump-Muslims-speech-British-police-ISIS-radicalisation-LondonRank and file policemen are saying Trump is right about ‘no go’ zones.’
"The anonymous officer wrote on the online forum Police.Community: “I’m not allowed to travel in half blues to work anymore IN MY OWN CAR as we’re ’All at risk of attack’ – yet as soon as someone points out the obvious it’s ‘divisive.'”
He added: “In this instance he (Trump) isn’t wrong. Our political leaders are best either ill-informed or simply being disingenuous."
Baucent says
December 10, 2015 at 1:58 amAs for the “no go zones”, Trump probably got confused. There are definately “unpoliced” zones in Paris, Brussels and Sweden. But Tower Hamlets in London isn’t far off becoming a “no go” area. They tried to declare it a Sharish Zone last year, so Mayor Boris (“the Turk”) Johnson is being a little coy. The most popular baby boys name last year in London was …Mohammed (in various spellings), so Islamisation is well on track.
Adam says
December 10, 2015 at 3:39 am
There is an area in Tower Hamlet’s called “Shadwell”, it’s an utter pit. There are street signs written in Bengali…oh & English surprisingly.