The jews are in Palestine because they stole it from the Palestinians.
I'm not allowed to say what I think about the jews as that would be antisemitic
I'm not allowed to say what I think about the jews as that would be antisemitic
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Swanny- Posts : 1185
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If you are not impressed that an old book foretold the return of the Jews to their ancestral land then perhaps you're a bot ?
Don't you know that the Jews agreed to a two state solution and was attacked the day after declaring their alotted land in the area independent.
Don't you know that the Jews agreed to a two state solution and was attacked the day after declaring their alotted land in the area independent.
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Consider the following Minimal-List:
1. Prophets and Kings (Ellen White).
2. SDA Bible Commentary Volume 4 (Isaiah to Malachi).
3. SDA Bible Commentary Volume 6 (Acts to Ephesians).
4. Toward Democracy (James Kloppenberg).
Consider the following Ecumenical-Genesis:
1. Nature.
2. Research.
3. Sacred Classical Music.
There's more to All of the Above than you might think, but I know No-One will even attempt to take my suggestions seriously (let alone actually spending years of quality-time with this approach). And I'm speaking to the supposedly Awake and Aware. The General-Public couldn't care less. They are generally loyal to the Home-Team, without knowing much about what they support or attack. They simply wish to WIN.
What if the Ark of the Covenant was a Casket for the
Lamb Slain from the Foundation of the World
(possibly 5,000 to 6,000 years ago)??
1. Prophets and Kings (Ellen White).
2. SDA Bible Commentary Volume 4 (Isaiah to Malachi).
3. SDA Bible Commentary Volume 6 (Acts to Ephesians).
4. Toward Democracy (James Kloppenberg).
Consider the following Ecumenical-Genesis:
1. Nature.
2. Research.
3. Sacred Classical Music.
There's more to All of the Above than you might think, but I know No-One will even attempt to take my suggestions seriously (let alone actually spending years of quality-time with this approach). And I'm speaking to the supposedly Awake and Aware. The General-Public couldn't care less. They are generally loyal to the Home-Team, without knowing much about what they support or attack. They simply wish to WIN.
What if the Ark of the Covenant was a Casket for the
Lamb Slain from the Foundation of the World
(possibly 5,000 to 6,000 years ago)??
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Swanny- Posts : 1185
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RedEzra wrote:If you are not impressed that an old book foretold the return of the Jews to their ancestral land then perhaps you're a bot ?
Don't you know that the Jews agreed to a two state solution and was attacked the day after declaring their alotted land in the area independent.
That was nice of the jews to offer the Palestinians half of their own land
Sorry to disappoint you but I'm definitely not a bot and the bible doesn't impress me at all. Just because something is written in a book and it comes true doesn't mean much. There was a book called Futility which told a story of a ship called Titan which hit an iceberg on its maiden voyage.
Did you know the jews thought about settling in South America before deciding on Israel? jews are not nice people
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Sorry, but someone has to say It...
We're all familiar with the Zionist Agenda and so on but Zionists are not only Jews and in fact Joe Biden (even though I hate to use Him for anything as an example) is an admitted Zionist.
That said - C'mon - No whole Ethnic group of People is absolutely ONLY one thing and one thing alone - EVER. One should always be very careful of throwing ANY Baby out with the Bathwater based on that...
Swanny wrote:jews are not nice people
We're all familiar with the Zionist Agenda and so on but Zionists are not only Jews and in fact Joe Biden (even though I hate to use Him for anything as an example) is an admitted Zionist.
That said - C'mon - No whole Ethnic group of People is absolutely ONLY one thing and one thing alone - EVER. One should always be very careful of throwing ANY Baby out with the Bathwater based on that...
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Swanny- Posts : 1185
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Yea I was generalizing a bit there.
But I was in London many years ago with a friend of mine who lives there. He was telling me that the jews hate us and think of us as less than dogs. He said they won't even talk to you, so I went up to one and asked him the time. It was as if I was invisible, he completely ignored me, never even looked at me
But I was in London many years ago with a friend of mine who lives there. He was telling me that the jews hate us and think of us as less than dogs. He said they won't even talk to you, so I went up to one and asked him the time. It was as if I was invisible, he completely ignored me, never even looked at me
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Yeah - I hear You. Some People can really be A-Holes that's for sure. All I'm saying is that no one Ethnic Group has a monopoly on being Boorish or Rude and that to portray an Ethnic Group as such in that light - Only reduces the good Karma of the Person thinking It...
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Nothing but Love for You My Brother...
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RedEzra- Posts : 559
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Swanny wrote:That was nice of the jews to offer the Palestinians half of their own land
Palestinians are Arabs and so belong in Saudi Arabia but because of the Muslim conquests in the 7th century they conquered vast areas outside their borders.Then the Turks controlled the Middle East for about 500 years before they lost in WWI.
The Jews were in no power to offer anything after WWII but the United Nations decided on a two state solution.
Swanny wrote:Just because something is written in a book and it comes true doesn't mean much.
You must be joking.
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I grew-up attending a church which sometimes referred to itself as "Spiritual-Israel" and sometimes had an Inferiority-Superiority Complex. I grew-up keeping the Sabbath from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday. I no longer attend, but I still research some of the best books and lectures by SDA writers and scholars. I personally knew a rich and famous Jew, and we always got along splendidly. I've been around other rich and famous Jews (without knowing them personally), and I had no problems with them. My starting-point is that everyone is wrong, deluded, and screwed-up (including me). Once again, consider the following Minimal-List:
1. Prophets and Kings (Ellen White).
2. SDA Bible Commentary Volumes 4 and 6 (Isaiah to Malachi, and Acts to Ephesians).
3. Toward Democracy (James Kloppenberg).
4. Sacred Classical Music.
What if there is something to British-Israel Teutonic-Zionism?? What Would the Roman-Catholics Say?? I'm tired of this stupid little game. I'm tired of all the BS. The end might be near (again). I don't endorse any of the violent and disgusting "Angel Movies" but they contain some useful lessons. BTW, I just noticed that my "Amen Ra" thread on the old and closed "Project Avalon" site, now has nearly 130,000 views, despite being closed to posting since 2010!! A few months after the closing, I encountered a "Bartleby" look-alike, who said "I Am RA!!" Decades ago, I attended a church with an assistant-pastor, named Clifton Davis, who was the star of the TV series "Amen"!! We once discussed the ministry of Dr. Robert H. Schuller. One more thing. Is "RA" the same as "AMEN RA"?? What if "RA" replaced "AMEN RA" 5,000 to 6,000 years ago?? What Would Anchor Say?? What Would Doctor Who Do?? Who?? http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18223
1. Prophets and Kings (Ellen White).
2. SDA Bible Commentary Volumes 4 and 6 (Isaiah to Malachi, and Acts to Ephesians).
3. Toward Democracy (James Kloppenberg).
4. Sacred Classical Music.
What if there is something to British-Israel Teutonic-Zionism?? What Would the Roman-Catholics Say?? I'm tired of this stupid little game. I'm tired of all the BS. The end might be near (again). I don't endorse any of the violent and disgusting "Angel Movies" but they contain some useful lessons. BTW, I just noticed that my "Amen Ra" thread on the old and closed "Project Avalon" site, now has nearly 130,000 views, despite being closed to posting since 2010!! A few months after the closing, I encountered a "Bartleby" look-alike, who said "I Am RA!!" Decades ago, I attended a church with an assistant-pastor, named Clifton Davis, who was the star of the TV series "Amen"!! We once discussed the ministry of Dr. Robert H. Schuller. One more thing. Is "RA" the same as "AMEN RA"?? What if "RA" replaced "AMEN RA" 5,000 to 6,000 years ago?? What Would Anchor Say?? What Would Doctor Who Do?? Who?? http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18223
Swanny- Posts : 1185
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The bible is just a book of ficton 
orthodoxymoron- Posts : 13631
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What if the Bible is mostly Historical-Fiction (which is a mixture of Fact and Fiction)?? What if the Bible is a Cover-Story for a MUCH Nastier True-Story (which might drive everyone completely insane)?? If the Bible is completely discredited and discarded, what should replace it?? I get the feeling we'll be fighting about Politics and Religion for All-Eternity!!
RedEzra- Posts : 559
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"Again the devil took him to a very high mountain
and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory.
'All this I will give you if you will fall down and worship me.'"
- Matthew 4:8-9
and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory.
'All this I will give you if you will fall down and worship me.'"
- Matthew 4:8-9
This bible verse is trying to tell that the devil has not only supranatural skills but has some sort of authority over nations !
Think of the implications down through millennia of history with "the father of lies" in earthly authority. No wonder the world don't know the truth !
"And the great dragon was cast out
that serpent of old called the devil and satan
who deceives the whole world.
He was cast out onto the earth and his angels were cast out with him."
- Revelation 12:9
that serpent of old called the devil and satan
who deceives the whole world.
He was cast out onto the earth and his angels were cast out with him."
- Revelation 12:9
RedEzra- Posts : 559
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The Septuagint is a translation of the Hebrew Bible as early as the 3rd century BC into Greek. So over 200 years before Jesus was born the Old Testament was and still is in existence in Greek.
The implication is there is then a very specific prophecy in the book of Daniel in the Old Testament documented over 200 years before Jesus was born foretelling the very day when the Messiah would come which Jesus fulfilled ON THE DAY !
This is why I began this thread and if you don't believe me you'll have to go back and look.
So it is PROVEN that the bible is ABSOLUTELY NOT a book of fiction !
The implication is there is then a very specific prophecy in the book of Daniel in the Old Testament documented over 200 years before Jesus was born foretelling the very day when the Messiah would come which Jesus fulfilled ON THE DAY !
This is why I began this thread and if you don't believe me you'll have to go back and look.
So it is PROVEN that the bible is ABSOLUTELY NOT a book of fiction !
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The terrible beauty of reality is that GOD is not going to force us to be good !
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Obviously humanity cannot agree on what is the truth but why is that ? What is the reason for all our various religions and spiritual schools of thought ? Is it opininated human imagination or is it a more sinister source not wanting mankind to know the truth ?
A lot of people don't have the luxury or interest in investing time and energy into fact and truth research which may not seem so important in their busy lives and those that do still cannot agree on what is true.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." - William Casey as CIA Director
Well that doesn't help ! A government's intelligence agency considers it a top priority to lie to the people ?! How can we know what is true when our own governments want us to believe lies ? Who are the government working for ?
Kings and Queens used to rule the nations for thousands of years but now "we the people" rule ? Why do those in power lie ?
A lot of people don't have the luxury or interest in investing time and energy into fact and truth research which may not seem so important in their busy lives and those that do still cannot agree on what is true.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." - William Casey as CIA Director
Well that doesn't help ! A government's intelligence agency considers it a top priority to lie to the people ?! How can we know what is true when our own governments want us to believe lies ? Who are the government working for ?
Kings and Queens used to rule the nations for thousands of years but now "we the people" rule ? Why do those in power lie ?
"Again the devil took him to a very high mountain
and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory.
'All this I will give you if you will fall down and worship me.'"
- Matthew 4:8-9
and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory.
'All this I will give you if you will fall down and worship me.'"
- Matthew 4:8-9
RedEzra- Posts : 559
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There will come a time when the devil and his angels are forced out of their invisible dimension and down to earth for all to see...
And are we not already media programmed to believe that the devil and his angels are extraterrestrials and our long lost high tech space siblings ?
According to the time markers in the bible this may already happen this year !?
"And the great dragon was cast out
that serpent of old called the devil and satan
who deceives the whole world.
He was cast out onto the earth and his angels were cast out with him."
- Revelation 12:9
that serpent of old called the devil and satan
who deceives the whole world.
He was cast out onto the earth and his angels were cast out with him."
- Revelation 12:9
And are we not already media programmed to believe that the devil and his angels are extraterrestrials and our long lost high tech space siblings ?
According to the time markers in the bible this may already happen this year !?
Swanny- Posts : 1185
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George says it so well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r-e2NDSTuE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IRxpjEZveQ
It's just a story book that some people have tried to make real
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r-e2NDSTuE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IRxpjEZveQ
It's just a story book that some people have tried to make real
RedEzra- Posts : 559
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Sure religions are bullshite... but so are all the airy fairy spiritual schools of thought. It's just nonsense !
Throw it all away and talk to Jesus mano to mano or womano to mano. He is a person born from a woman like you and even me.
He has been here and done that. The man knows !
Throw it all away and talk to Jesus mano to mano or womano to mano. He is a person born from a woman like you and even me.
He has been here and done that. The man knows !
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Does Jesus exist ?
Well let's listen to what a Hindu woman and a Muslim man have to say about that...
Well let's listen to what a Hindu woman and a Muslim man have to say about that...
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swanny wrote:I believe the bible is a satanic work of fiction so of course it is full of occult symbols etc. The people running the system of today use it as a tool and it is adapted to fit the current control systems needs. For example how old is the King James version???
Let's keep biblical debate in the bible thread. And the bible is much older than the KJV. The Old Testament was translated into Greek in the 3rd century BC and is known as the Septuagint and is still in existence even online.
Since you use terms like "satanic" then I take it that you believe there is a satan ? So what kind of being is that ?
If satan inspired the bible then why would he mention that Michael will oust him out of heaven and cast him down to the earth ? How can satan be the shite if he can't even handle an Archangel ?
Why would satan depict himself as a selfish meglomaniac with an obsessive need to dominate others if he inspired the bible ? Is that traits which will sell and make followers of people ?
Well today maybe because governments have done a wonderful work of corrupting common people !
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I don't believe in satan or gods, both are just used for control. I believe in source energy.
The bible has been translated many times over the years. Bits have been added and bits removed. I wonder how many bored monks spiced up the fairy tales as they were translating?? If there was a god and it wanted us to know it through a few words in a book then why doesn't it drop each of us our own personal copy instead of leaving it to men to write out stories then gather them up and stick them in a book? And what about the koran? Isn't that a bible from a god? Which book is correct?
If a bible materialized right infront of me right now then I might start to believe in a god but until that happens I consider the bible nothing but a work of fiction
The bible has been translated many times over the years. Bits have been added and bits removed. I wonder how many bored monks spiced up the fairy tales as they were translating?? If there was a god and it wanted us to know it through a few words in a book then why doesn't it drop each of us our own personal copy instead of leaving it to men to write out stories then gather them up and stick them in a book? And what about the koran? Isn't that a bible from a god? Which book is correct?
If a bible materialized right infront of me right now then I might start to believe in a god but until that happens I consider the bible nothing but a work of fiction
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Too blindly follow the teachings of a book is too easy. I came to this dimension to learn not to be brainwashed. I've studied what the bible is and what religions are and in my opinion most, maybe even all of them are just control systems put in place to stop or slow us down from developing and moving on to the next level.
I don't follow anyone or anything. I don't need too.
I don't follow anyone or anything. I don't need too.
RedEzra- Posts : 559
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Swanny wrote:I don't believe in satan or gods, both are just used for control.
So why did most old cultures of the world believe in gods and wrote down extensive stories about them ?
Swanny wrote: I believe in source energy.
I get it. You don't like the idea of a conscious being who is more powerful than you. But the universe is not only energy but also information think DNA which necessitates intelligence. So source is not only powerful but also intelligent... and so source has to be conscious and awake and aware.
Swanny wrote:The bible has been translated many times over the years. Bits have been added and bits removed.
Why don't you take the time to compare verses in the Septuagint which was written in Greek in the 3rd century BC with more modern bible versions ? It is all online and easily available so it should not take so long to see that the verses are still saying the same whatever the version.
Swanny wrote:If there was a god and it wanted us to know it through a few words in a book then why doesn't it drop each of us our own personal copy instead of leaving it to men to write out stories then gather them up and stick them in a book?
Or better yet why don't GOD give each of us a personal visit and a hug every night before bedtime ?
Swanny wrote: And what about the koran? Isn't that a bible from a god?
If it's not from GOD then it is from ... fill in the blanks.
Swanny wrote: Too blindly follow the teachings of a book is too easy.
Considering what's at stake the truth has to be easily found and followed.
Swanny wrote: I came to this dimension to learn not to be brainwashed.
Did you not come into being when in the womb of your mother ?
Swanny wrote: I've studied what the bible is and what religions are and in my opinion most, maybe even all of them are just control systems put in place to stop or slow us down from developing and moving on to the next level.
The next airy fairy la la level ? You're right all religions are bullshite but so are all spiritual shite. It's just nonsense !
The bible is the only scripture inspired by GOD imho but it has been and is being abused to control people.
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"Before I had studied Zen for thirty years, I saw mountains as mountains, and waters as waters. When I arrived at a more intimate knowledge, I came to the point where I saw that mountains are not mountains, and waters are not waters. But now that I have got its very substance I am at rest. For it's just that I see mountains once again as mountains, and waters once again as waters." - Seigen Ishin
Ha Ha thirty years of spiritual pursuit to come back to the realization that mountains are mountains and waters are waters !?
Ha Ha thirty years of spiritual pursuit to come back to the realization that mountains are mountains and waters are waters !?
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To be good is the only important thing in life ! and if you need a guru or mentor to tech you to be good then by all means get one if you cannot find the urge to be good in your selves. Goodness is the only spiritual pursuit worth its weight in GOD.