Planet X | Niburu hoax

ceridwen wrote:You may want to look at this



and this http://www.gsjournal.net/old/ntham/amesbury.pdf

I am not a scientist so while I understand most of it, I can not really discuss the paper. You can email them though, the email is at the top of the paper

Scientist are progressing, correcting their mistakes and becoming more accurate with new more powerful sensors. The new theories do not leave any space whatsoever for Nibiru

Forget the old heliocentric model - our solar system is a vortex!

The old Newtonion/Copernican Heliocentric model of our solar system is an unproven theory. In fact it is a false one.

Since our solar system travels through space, the planets do NOT revolve around the Sun in a circular fashion.
They are "dragged" behind the Sun in a spiral: vortex motion. In fact, after 365 days the Earth does NOT return to the starting point of its orbit.

This has GREAT consequences for the physics involved, because rotational motion and vortex motion are two completely different things:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotation_around_a_fixed_axis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vortex

In Nature, everything spirals. Life itself is vortex motion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0jHsq36_NTU

Raven Lionheart for the Thuban Library on Akbar Ra

There is nothing silly about bringing to attention the odious activities of scam artists and fear mongers and misinformationists. It helps to clear the path.

Some people will find such perspectives and the efforts of the people who have taken the time to write papers and present educational videos detracting from the egregore of fear of value and reassuring as not everyone is as advanced as you yet.

Of course we need to focus on more important earthly matters and so on than space objects too but we knew that anyway before your interjection.

Please go and do some of it.

gscraig wrote:
That will be my final effort of energy I will expend in regards to your presence. So Here! Here! for my departure. Both of us are "preaching" and ultimately, the time for talk has passed.

Raven wrote:

ceridwen wrote:You may want to look at this



and this http://www.gsjournal.net/old/ntham/amesbury.pdf

I am not a scientist so while I understand most of it, I can not really discuss the paper. You can email them though, the email is at the top of the paper

Scientist are progressing, correcting their mistakes and becoming more accurate with new more powerful sensors. The new theories do not leave any space whatsoever for Nibiru

Dear Unicorn lassie de Eire!

This is a nice attempt to introduce the 'multidimensionality' into the astrophysics ceridwen; but it does not describe the actual science of the solar system's dynamics.
Whenever you see comments like this on 'you tube' like here; then you should open up your discernment filters. Science builds on existing models, just as your last comment indicated. Science does not 'throw out' its own history of discovery and the evolvement of its auspices and modus operandi. Newton based his 'Principia' on Galileo, Kepler, Copernicus and the greek and french etc. 'natural philosophers'. Einstein did NOT render Newtonian mechanics 'redundant', he simply EXTENDED and finetuned the science of the 17th and 18th century.

The obvious 'flaws' in this 'you tube' science, is its misunderstandings as to how space and time function in something called a 'metric' aka a 'spacetime matrix'. Those 'metrics' define the nature of spacetime in well tested and verified principles like the conservation of energy and momentum, both linear and rotational. One important principle is that of 'Relativity', which means, that the 'Laws of Nature' are not selective in regards to location and temporality. The 'frames of references' of the observer, so become determinative for the 'measurements' in all of the universal dynamics.
In these videos, the frames of the observer is of course one watching the solar system moving through spacetime, say in another frame of reference of that of a galactic observer, which then would be relatively stationary to this solar system observer.
Of course, now you could reference 'Einstein - and Relativity debunker' you tube videos, to say, that the 'old science' got it wrong and that there are better models, like say the vortex heliocentric dynamics of professor so and so, most likely without much actual experience and nous in the 'science' heshe wishes to 'reform'.

And yes, there are 'flaws' or better said 'missing models and explanations' in what is known today as the 'standard science' as promulgated and taught at the universities. But as you said, this 'missing information' in the old models might very well be found sooner or later in the actual scientists and laymen doing the actual research under utility of the present data base and knowledge.
You will not find this advancement by the 'wanna be experts', which 'throw out' the history of science in their New Age BS,so amenable now to the spread of misinformation in the prevalence of the data overload.

Forget the old heliocentric model - our solar system is a vortex!

The old Newtonion/Copernican Heliocentric model of our solar system is an unproven theory. In fact it is a false one.

Since our solar system travels through space, the planets do NOT revolve around the Sun in a circular fashion.
They are "dragged" behind the Sun in a spiral: vortex motion. In fact, after 365 days the Earth does NOT return to the starting point of its orbit.

This has GREAT consequences for the physics involved, because rotational motion and vortex motion are two completely different things:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotation_around_a_fixed_axis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vortex

In Nature, everything spirals. Life itself is vortex motion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0jHsq36_NTU

True and the helical motion in this video is like a scalar component for a transverse propagating electromagnetic field. Just here, the 'good science' of Nikola Tesla has also become 'hijacked' by the 'BS artists'; who misconstrue his 'ideas' on the scalar component of a 3-dimensional wave propagation. It is the scalar unidirectional component, which is 'seen cometlike', as the motion of the sun along its path around the galactic centre, apparently 'dragging' the planets in their helical vortical orbits with it.
However, this 3d scalar component is well described by the Laws of Nature in say the Maxwellian Electromagnetic Fields and does not require a 'New Age Vortex physics'.

There is a multidimensionality in the 'Laws of Physics', which CAN transcend the 4-dimenmsional matrix of the socalled 'tyranny of the lightspeed prison'. This idea then has found great speculation and nonsense proposals (like 90% of you tube videos) by many, who are dissatisfied with the present state of the world in science and also generally.
This extension is also WELL KNOWN by the present day scientific thinkers, but does not receive the mainstream exposure; say as an effect of the 'science educational standards' of the general populace.
This extension is 'hyperspace' and this hyperspace simply adds a 4th spacial dimension to the existing 3 dimensions of XYZ and so allows a 5-dimensional metric or matrix to superpose the existing criteria and paramaters, such as what space and time are in connection with whatever dynamics occurs within it (say a plenum).

Having a real 5-dimensional spacetime metric, would allow New Age misnomers like Tesla's 'scalar telluric currents' or the 'tachyonic superluminal velocities' to become appropriately defined and characterised WITHIN the basis of the now existing 4-dimensional (Minkowski) metric. The 4D matrix is 'flat'; whilst a 5D matrix would allow this selfsame curvature, those videos are attempting to show in a rather naive misrepresentation of the frame referenced dynamics of the solar system about the galactic center.
The Milky way galaxy also moves in divers motions towards the sister galaxy Andromeda and towards a socalled 'Great Attractor' in the Virgo supercluster.
If those videos would portend 'a new astrophysics', then it has ignored the relative vortex dynamics of the galactic component acting upon it and so on.

A simple experimenty for you ceridwen; when you are in a plane with your friend, sitting say two rows ahead of you in the plane. Can you actually throw a ball to your friend and can your friend catch your ball?
Nevertheless the physical factuality, that the plane os moving at great speed through a 4-dimensional spacetime matrix? Would the relative velocity of the ball flying within the plane NOT be subject to the speed of the plane and so DISTORT the flightpath of the ball?
Its the 'reference frame' of the Unicorn de Eire as forming a physically 'isolated system' for the dynamics; just as the local starsystem in its celestial mechanics, can be coinsidered as such without superposing the relativity of the galactic dynamics.

The refusal of the 'wanna bes' to actually USE the existing models for their 'pioneering' and reforming agendas would be a criteria of discernment for anyone to utilize in the attempts to separate the 'possible expansion of the status quo in any field of science' from the New Age BS.

Here is a better you tube video with valid extension proposals by various agents, including Victor Schauberger, Walter Russell, Ed Leedskalnin, and pointing to the misconceptions of Nassim Haramein and this related one from Keshava Bhat and the 'Keshe foundation'. Caveat, whilst this video appropriately addresses the videos of ceridwen in a representative sense; and whilst the 'author' is 'in tune' with certain 'matrix extensions' by the models he supports; he does not adhere to the practice and history of the 'standard science', say as indicated in the above. This author so is not recommended as a valid source of information apart from 'insights' into the 'Magnetic Current' ideas of Walter Russell and Ed Leedskalnin and affinities in a particular mode of interpretation of the multidimensionality of the universe.

Raven Lionheart for the Thuban Library on Akbar Ra

ceridwen wrote:

Raven wrote:

ceridwen wrote:You may want to look at this


Just read this please http://www.gsjournal.net/old/ntham/amesbury.pdf it will clarify many of your miss conceptions

In my post I mentioned that I am not a scientist so if you want to spill your guts contact Dr. Keshava Bhat, it is his theory and not mine

To think everything is static is silly, we are spiraling at great speed across the galaxy (which is a spiral too) thus we have a change in the influence the stars, as we are leaving the age of Pisces for Aquarius. If you think the solar system stays where it is you got your maths wrong. What you cite is old hypothesis that could not be verified, more philosophy than sciences. Now we have probes and satellites my dear, all has changed many have been proven wrong. Sorry you don't like it

Was Einstein wrong?
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2094665,00.html
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/oct/11/opinion/la-oe-1011-lemonick-einstein-20111011
http://discovermagazine.com/2012/mar/09-is-einsteins-greatest-work-wrong-didnt-go-far

Here some info from Dr. Bhat http://www.feandft.com/Dr.%20Bhat.htm

Have fun!

CERN scientists who clocked subatomic particles called neutrinos traveling faster than the speed of light now say the results were incorrect.
(Anja Niedringhaus / Associated Press / June 11, 2012)

By Amina Khan, Los Angeles Times / For Science Now
This post has been corrected. See the note below for details.
June 12, 2012, 10:09 a.m.

In case there was even a subatomic particle's worth of doubt in your mind about that supposedly faster-than-light neutrino, a presentation by a physicist involved in those Earth-shaking experiments should put them to rest.

Back in September, we wrote about some head-turning preliminary results out of an experiment at the European Organization for Nuclear Research, known as CERN. Scientists who sent streams of subatomic particles from an accelerator outside Geneva to a detector about 450 miles away in Italy found that one of those particles, called a neutrino, appeared to have traveled slightly faster than the speed of light -- fast enough to arrive about 60 nanoseconds sooner than light would have.

[For the record, 10:08 a.m., June 12: An earlier version of this post incorrectly said the neutrinos were thought to be 60 seconds faster.]

This would break a fundamental rule of physics presented by Albert Einstein -- that light's velocity presents the ultimate speed limit.

"If you have particles traveling faster than the speed of light, you can in principle go back in time. So you can be your own grandmother," Stephen Parke, a theoretical particle physicist at Fermilab in Batavia, Ill., said at the time. "As you can imagine, that causes some problems."

Even Sergio Bertolucci, director of research at CERN, expressed doubt at the time that the results would stand up to scientific scrutiny.

"I think the most probable thing is that the experiment is wrong," Bertolucci told me in an interview last year, about a month after the story broke. "But as an experimentalist, until I prove it wrong, it's not wrong." The implications of such findings for our fundamental understanding of the universe were too big to ignore.

It turns out Bertolucci's instinct was correct. In a paper at the 25th International Conference on Neutrino Physics and Astrophysics in Kyoto, Japan, on Friday, Bertolucci explained that four separate experiments had confirmed the neutrinos were not flying faster than light -- and that the original anomalous reading was due to a problem with the experiment's fiber-optic timing system.

This isn't new news to anyone in the field; it became clear pretty quickly that the result was probably incorrect. Two scientists in the experiment group, known as OPERA, stepped down after receiving votes of no confidence in March. So these new results, as Science magazine put it, are less like the nail in the coffin and "more like the sod planted atop their grave."

Perhaps for the sake of positive spin, Bertolucci is quoted in a news release as saying, "The story captured the public imagination, and has given people the opportunity to see the scientific method in action -- an unexpected result was put up for scrutiny, thoroughly investigated and resolved in part thanks to collaboration between normally competing experiments. That's how science moves forward."


http://www.latimes.com/news/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-faster-than-light-neutrino-cern-20120611,0,2050787.story

A Link shared by Brook of Egyptological renown.

Einstein was right, neutrino researchers admit

June 8, 2012 by Harumi Ozawa

http://phys.org/news/2012-06-einstein-neutrino.html

Picture shows Albert Einstein at a press conference in 1950.

A team of scientists who last year suggested neutrinos could travel faster than light conceded Friday that Einstein was right and the sub-atomic particles are -- like everything else -- bound by the universe's speed limit.

Scientists on Friday said that an experiment which challenged Einstein's theory on the speed of light had been flawed and that sub-atomic particles -- like everything else -- are indeed bound by the universe's speed limit.
Researchers working at the European Centre for Nuclear Research (CERN) caused a storm last year when they published experimental results showing that neutrinos could out-pace light by some six kilometres (3.7 miles) per second.

The findings threatened to upend modern physics and smash a hole in Albert Einstein's 1905 theory of special relativity, which described the velocity of light as the maximum speed in the cosmos. But CERN now says that the earlier results were wrong and faulty kit was to blame. "Although this result isn't as exciting as some would have liked, it is what we all expected deep down," said the centre's research director Sergio Bertolucci.

"The story captured the public imagination, and has given people the opportunity to see the scientific method in action. "An unexpected result was put up for scrutiny, thoroughly investigated and resolved in part thanks to collaboration between normally competing experiments. That's how science moves forward." The neutrinos were timed on the journey from CERN's giant underground lab near Geneva to the Gran Sasso Laboratory in Italy, after travelling 732 kilometres (454 miles) through the Earth's crust.

To do the trip, the neutrinos should have taken 0.0024 seconds. Instead, the particles were recorded as hitting the detectors in Italy 0.00000006 seconds sooner than expected, the preliminary experiment had shown. Researchers updated the science community on Friday at the International Conference on Neutrino Physics and Astrophysics, being held in Japan's ancient capital of Kyoto.

"The previous data taken up to 2011 with the neutrino beam from CERN to Gran Sasso were revised taking into account understood instrumental effects," the team said. "A coherent picture has emerged with both previous and new data pointing to a neutrino velocity consistent with the speed of light."

The initial findings had been greeted with a combination of excitement and scepticism, even from those involved in the experiment, who urged other physicists to carry out their own checks to corroborate or refute what had been seen. "If this result at CERN is proved to be right, and particles are found to travel faster than the speed of light, then I am prepared to eat my shorts, live on TV," Jim Al-Khalili, a professor of theoretical physics at Britain's University of Surrey, declared at the time. (c) 2012 AFP

Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2012-06-einstein-neutrino.html#jCp

ceridwen wrote:Raven, with all due respect. There is no point in continuing this conversation with you because you are a "believer" and when dogma is a stake there can not be cooperation or interchange of ideas. You are not going to "bash" me into submission because I do not give two pence for that kind of immature behaviour

I am not into "believing" and upholding sacred cows , the only thing that matters to me is truth and direct experience. If it needs to be re-written a million times, so be it

Is not that I do not recognize the efforts from the past but I do not think that all things past are better

ceridwen wrote:In my post I mentioned that I am not a scientist so if you want to spill your guts contact Dr. Keshava Bhat, it is his theory and not mine

The Vortex Solar System proved by Dr. Keshava Bhat. This means the end of the academic, helio-centric "clock work face" orbit theory, invented by the "catholic military priest" nicolas copernicus and later cherished by newton, brahe, kepler, galileo, einstein, hawking, sagan and the rest of their academic ilk

Floyd wrote:

Raven wrote:

It never ends for the 'NABS believers' to become ever more 'bedazzled' by the 'ptb disinformers and fear mongers'!

Now where are the 'resumes' of those 'ground breaking' whistleblowers, 'reformer scientists' and pioneers for a 'New World Order'?
Remote Viewing par excellence!

As soon as I saw this thread yesterday the first thing I noticed was that there was no name attributed. An instant giveaway that it was a hoax.

More unmitigated crap along with Elenin, moon sized objects, piloted crafts, YU55 nonsense and least of all the Niburu hoax.


Please dispose of in the Fear: The Egregore of Doom thread

As for Brown and his remote viewing, he was caught up in a fraud over an alleged photo of a 'craft' trailing Hale Bop

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/mass/heavens_gate/4.html

Dr. Courtney Brown, claiming to be adept at "remote viewing," or seeing things that occurred far away, told radio host Art Bell that he was in possession of photographs of the comet. They clearly showed an object in its wake and this object had all the appearances of an alien craft. In fact, Brown said he'd "looked" inside and had seen alien life forms. This claim drew many expectant listeners who wanted to see the photos, including members of Heaven's Gate.



Sensing the arrival of the most significant event in their short history, the crew-minded group went together to watch Star Wars. They also attended a UFO conference, bought insurance against alien abductions and impregnation, and purchased a high-powered telescope. They were looking for the "companion" to Hale-Bopp, they told the store manager, which they described as a small shape near the comet. That was their mothership. When they failed to find it, they returned the telescope. The manager found their ideas puzzling.

Then in January 1997, the promised photographs were finally posted on Art Bell's Web site and then were quickly exposed as a hoax. Yet the Heaven's Gate crew was not deterred. On their Web site they wrote, "Whether Hale-Bopp has a companion or not is irrelevant from our perspective." Its approach alone was significant as "the marker weve been waiting for." Visible or not, the spaceship would be there ready to take them home. They were about to "graduate" from human to more-than-human. Those who were reading the message might even want to get their own "boarding passes."

Carol wrote:

Does anyone know anything about this?




Huge Asteroid Will Hit Antarctica in Fall of 2012
Read article: http://reinep.wordpress.com/2010/09/08/huge-asteroid-will-hit-antarctica-in-2012/
University of British Columbia Professor published an on-line article that projected an 800m asteroid would hit Antarctica in the fall of 2012.

The article hypothesized a 94% probability that the asteroid would impact on the Filchner-Ronne ice shelf and cause 2/3 of ice on Antarctica to crumble into sea. The article surmised the total collapse of all Antarctic ice within 2-4 months after impact. “A deep enough impact would crack the ice shelf like a window and total structural collapse would be inevitable, a few months at the outside.” If the ice on Antarctica was added the the world’s ocean it would raise them by 70 meters.

University of British Columbia Professor published an on-line article that projected an 800m asteroid would hit Antarctica in the fall of 2012. His article was on the www.phas.ubc.ca website for 2 days before it abruptly disappeared. The initial data was gathered by The Balloon-borne Large-Aperture Sub millimeter Telescope (BLAST) at McMurdo Station, Antarctica. The theorized asteroid was then tracked by Canada-France-Hawaii Telescope on Mauna Kea, which (with the Adaptive Optics Bonnette) supplies probably the sharpest images currently obtainable from the ground. One week after this mysterious article disappeared, “Canadian and American astronauts say the world needs to prepare for the big one — the asteroid impact that could one day devastate the Earth.Veteran Canadian astronaut Chris Hadfield is president of the Association of Space Explorers, which has prepared a detailed report on the asteroid threat. The Canadian Space Agency intends to launch NEOSSat next March to look for asteroids that may be hiding near the sun. The $15-million suitcase-sized satellite will circle about 700 kilometers above the Earth. A Canadian Space Agency official says NEOSSat is expected to detect hundreds of new asteroids during its first year of operation. It will also monitor the heavy traffic of satellites now orbiting the Earth to try to prevent possible collisions.”

Could this be what might cause the Displacement Wave Clif High Talks About? Its strange because this article disapeared in 2 days after it was posted. Hopefully this will not happen, we need lots of research on this. This also ties into Courtney Browns RV research regarding that region by early 2013

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46708-GLOBAL-COASTAL-EVENT-Courtney-Brown-Farsight-Project-2013-Timeline-Prediction

Courtney Brown - Hour 1 - Remote Viewing & Earth Changes Data For 2013
http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2012/07/RIR-120719.php

Carol wrote:A meteor strike on the planet
http://www.viewzone.com/rv2013.html


Remote Viewing 2012-2013: not good news...

In 2008 a team of 8 military grade remote viewers were asked to view several targets with the understanding that the actual target assignments for each session would be given to them in the future. The sessions were given a number (S1, S2...) and the notes and drawings from each session were collected, scanned, encrypted and subsequently downloaded by tens of thousands of internet users for some future date, when the encryption codes would be published. This guaranteed that the results of the remote viewing sessions could not be changed.

There was a total of 113 sessions. Once the sessions had been recorded, the targets were selected in a random manner, pairing each session with one of three possible target conditions in 9 different locations around the globe:

1. Vaitupu, Tuvalu
2. Fort Jesus, Mombasa Kenya
3. Sydney Opera House, Sydney, Australia
4. Mount Kilimanjaro, Tanzania
5. United States Congress Building, Washington, D.C.
6. Malé International Airport, Malé, Maldives
7. KITV Building, Honolulu, Hawaii
8. The Vehicle Assembly Building at Launch Complex 39, Kennedy Space Center, Merritt Island, Florida
9. Key West, Florida

The three conditions were:

1. The date of June 2008

A. "June 1, 2013, 12 noon target local time, following the timeline in which the leadership of the mainstream global scientific establishment continues to ignore or deny (1) the reality of the remote-viewing phenomenon, and (2) the existence of life not originating from Earth."

B. "June 1, 2013, 12 noon target local time, following the timeline in which by the end of 2009 leaders of the mainstream global scientific establishment publicly recognize (1) the reality of the remote-viewing phenomenon, and (2) the existence of life not originating from Earth."

Each remote viewing session that had already been recorded was associated with a specific geographic location and condition. The results, originally thought to show changes in sea levels and climate, were dramatic.

Those sessions which were linked to assignments in 2008 showed the locations as they were. An example is seen below. This session was linked to the Sydney Opera House (at sea level).

A summary of what was seen by these remote viewers looks like this:

In general, these remote-viewing data suggest the following types of physical changes across many of the above geographical locations by mid-2013:

1. Impacts from what appear to be large meteors leading to tsunamis and possible volcanism
2. Extensive and forceful flooding of coastal areas
3. Excessive solar radiation
4. Storms and other severe weather

In terms of the effects of these changes on humans, these data also suggest:

1. Massive self-organized relocation from coastal areas (refugees)
2. The breakdown of rescue or other notable governmental functioning
3. The breakdown of the food supply system
4. The breakdown of the vehicular transport system
5. Extensive loss of buildings near coasts

A video with the specifics and details of the remote viewing project can be seen here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Pk8udsan2o&feature=player_embedded

Speculation that governments are aware of these things...

According to the Farsight Institute, there are certain events that have happened around the world that imply knowledge of this, or some other similar catastrophe in our immediate future.

1. The U.S. Space Shuttle launched its last mission in mid-2011. At that time, NASA entirely abanded its government-funded manned spaceflight program. Given the investment that the U.S. has made in launching humans into space since the 1960s, this is odd, especially since private efforts to launch humans into space are years away, and currently unproven. It is as if the government does not anticipate being able to launch humans into space in the near future for reasons not currently stated.
2. The Svalbard Global Seed Vault was sealed in 2011. This seed bank will allow the world to restart agriculture given a global catastrophe. The United Nations formally inspected the facility, which might seem odd for a Norwegian project. The timing of this project seems like a strange coincidence.

3. U.S. and global debt. It is as if various governments are not expecting to have to pay back their debts, perhaps anticipating a global economic reset due to reasons not currently stated.

4. The devaluing of the U.S. dollar seems to be a trend that will stay. Moody, Standard and Poor, and Fitch have announced that they may be devaluing the rating of U.S. Treasury bonds (see NY Times article, 15 March 2010, as well as the editorial on 20 March 2010), and there have been discussions within the United Nations of the International Monetary Fund phasing out its dependency on the U.S. dollar. The governments seem to be acting as if the U.S. dollar will be replaced as the global currency.

5. Digging, digging is everywhere. The U.S. has no nuclear enemies, yet it is digging huge underground facilities in inhospitable regions difficult for the masses to reach. Why? On the other hand, the Chinese tend to think collectively, and China is digging extraordinary subway complexes under most of its major cities in a crash program that seems odd in terms of timing and scope. See, for example, the NY Times article by Keith Bradsher, 27 March 2009. Subways are, of course, conveniently located underground tunnels, and such tunnels could house millions of people in an emergency. Russia announced in 2011 that it is adding 5,000 new nuclear bomb shelters in Moscow, enabling it to protect all of Moscow's residents. The program is to be rushed so that it is finished in 2012. Why? Russia has no nuclear enemies. Russia's new subway systems have also been place deeper than needed so that they can be used as deep emergency shelters. Again, why? Why all these preparations, and why the rush?

6. NASA is now predicting that the Sun may generate unprecedented solar storms for a lengthy period in 2012-13. We cannot accurately predict Earth's normal weather a week in advance, and it is by no means clear how NASA can do this with respect unprecedented weather on the Sun years in advance. They are saying that we are more dependent on vulnerable computer technology now. But we had similar dependencies in 2001 and 1990 when previous 11-year solar cycles hit. What is different about the current cycle? Some might suggest that NASA is acting as if it has some extra information that is not currently stated. [*]

Professional remote viewers always caution that their view of future events is only one possibility. Certain key events can alter future timelines, if only we knew what these were and how to manipulate them. The Farsight Institute has discovered proof of something both amazing and hard to understand about time. As Dr. Courtney Bown said,

"The multiple universe theory is correct or the remote viewing phenomenon works as if it is correct."

Raven de Thuban Alpha Draconis

There was a time when the being we call Lucifer was one of the greatest lights in heaven. He was dedicated to serving the Creator as head of the seraphim - the highest echelon of the angelic host.

Unfortunately, Lucifer became increasingly jealous of the attention, love and guidance the Creator was giving to the prospering galactic human race. He felt God had placed them above the seraphim.

Lucifer began to hate the humans and see himself as a slave to Divine Will. He desired to have free will and usurp God's kingdom. His great power and negative emotions had corrupted him.

Lucifer began influencing others of the angelic host with his new way of thinking. One third of the angels were swayed by his twisted philosophy. He promised them all free will, should they exalt him above God. As leader of the coming mutiny, he would give them a new kingdom. He believed that with cunning schemes he could transcend God as lord of the universe, and extinct the race of galactic humanity.

One aspect of his plan was to incarnate in 4th density as a reptilian who was to become king of the ancient Draconian Empire, which spanned much of the galaxy. The empire's headquarters was on a 4th density planet that orbited the star Thuban (also known as Alpha Draconis), in the Draco constellation. Upon assuming the throne as King Lingarak, he convinced his people that the prospering galactic humans posed a threat and needed to be wiped from existence. Many of the fallen angels had incarnated into the same race.

devakas wrote:
i also think qualified scientists are not hanging here in the mists. I could provide some realy cool links for tubans in suffer.

Lucifer becomes Satan the Dragon

There was a time when the being we call Lucifer was one of the greatest lights in heaven. He was dedicated to serving the Creator as head of the seraphim - the highest echelon of the angelic host.

Unfortunately, Lucifer became increasingly jealous of the attention, love and guidance the Creator was giving to the prospering galactic human race. He felt God had placed them above the seraphim.

Lucifer began to hate the humans and see himself as a slave to Divine Will. He desired to have free will and usurp God's kingdom. His great power and negative emotions had corrupted him.

Lucifer began influencing others of the angelic host with his new way of thinking. One third of the angels were swayed by his twisted philosophy. He promised them all free will, should they exalt him above God. As leader of the coming mutiny, he would give them a new kingdom. He believed that with cunning schemes he could transcend God as lord of the universe, and extinct the race of galactic humanity.

One aspect of his plan was to incarnate in 4th density as a reptilian who was to become king of the ancient Draconian Empire, which spanned much of the galaxy. The empire's headquarters was on a 4th density planet that orbited the star Thuban (also known as Alpha Draconis), in the Draco constellation. Upon assuming the throne as King Lingarak, he convinced his people that the prospering galactic humans posed a threat and needed to be wiped from existence. Many of the fallen angels had incarnated into the same race.

So began the Great War, hundreds of millennia ago - remembered in history as the Orion Conflict, for its centre stage was within the Orion arm of the local galaxy. Lucifer then became known as Satan, the arch enemy of God, and one third of the angels had sided with his empire.

For a long time the Draconian Empire and the fallen angels fought with galactic humanity, which had amassed a large resistance - armies from other galaxies answered their call for help and joined them. Some of the dark forces eventually surrendered, but a lot still remain hidden in many places. The resistance achieved a great victory when Satan himself and many of his closest henchmen were taken into custody. Their punishment was to be quarantined in the lowest astral plane of earth, known as the bottomless pit.

Satan and his minions managed to gain access to the material world via portals opened by human followers (satanic cults). Unable to incarnate, they can only possess people and animals. Satan has possessed many humans. One of his well-known hosts was Hitler. Through him, he tried to impose his tyrannical will upon the planet, as he did elsewhere. Fortunately he failed at that time. However, through many more hosts, his(conspiracy_theory)New World Order agenda continues.

Satan's human followers also perform moonchild rituals, whereby babies are completely possessed by his forces. Below is a quote from a concerning these rituals:

The Moonchild rituals are the rituals to demonize a fetus. However, the demons that are invoked are not the small ones, but very powerful ones. In working with victims of this programming, it is clear that high level demons were placed within these people at very early ages. It is believed many of them were demonized before they were born by rituals like the Moonchild rituals. Blood sacrifices and human sacrifices are always required for this level of magic.

God gave a deadline, at which point the ultimate fate of Satan and his followers would be decided once and for all, based upon how they may have evolved since being placed in the bottomless pit.

Unfortunately they continue to hate humans with a passion, and work toward their extinction. Especially those on earth - who are a hybridisation of all branches of humanity throughout the galaxy and beyond. After many millennia, the deadline has come and a massive showdown on the astral and material planes of earth has begun.

It may become obvious in the near future, as the dark ones intend to reveal themselves en-masse to the world, with their human followers joining them in the Final Battle. Beyond earth, the war still rages today.
Many star systems have been contaminated by the fighting. Some worlds destroyed and the ecosystems of others seriously compromised.

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Scriptural or semantic definitive 'Proof':

Job 38:7
When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Amos 5:8
Seek him that maketh the seven stars and Orion, and turneth the shadow of death into the morning, and maketh the day dark with night: that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD is his name:

Revelation 2:27-29
²⁷And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
²⁸And I will give him the morning star.
²⁹He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Revelation 22:15-17
¹⁵For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
¹⁶I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
¹⁷And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

2 Peter 1:19
We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:


Morning Star = Evening Star = Star of the New Dawn = Venus = Aphrodite = Goddess of Love = ...
LUCIFER=74=JESUS=MESSIAH=GOSPEL=CROSS=BEAUTY=ENERGY=SONGS=CLOUDS=... =47=TIME=JOHN=MALACHI=ISAIAH=...=ROCK=BEAST=MUM=JUDGE
SERPENT=PRESENT=REPENTS=97=SON OF MAN = CIRCLE OF GOD =....DIY

The human mind created SON=EVIL=48=SEX=84=LIVE=DAUGHTER LAW=111=7bin projected from within from the highest places of the human heart and soul as the Throne of God, shall revisit you, until you can harbour IT as your very own creation and as your mental children of the cosmos.

A piece of peace to appease - now that is a classic Susan Serafina.

And when the dragon slayers look into the mirrors of the eXchanger,
what do they see - they see dragons looking back at them.



Raven LionHeart de Hadian Draconian Empire
Raven DragonHeart: 'Be Afraid, be very afraid!'

Floyd wrote:Hi Tom, nice to see an 'on topic' post again lol. Thanks.

These youtube vids are old news. One of the purposes of this thread as was to differentiate between the hypothetical planet at the edge of the solar system and the fantastical Niburu of Sitchen and the aliens/ channelers/ fear mongers.

The hypothetical planet has shown no sign of having an orbit that would bring it close to earth a la Niburu. The most recent astronomer to hypothesise about a planet in the Kuiper belt is Rodney Gomes but he is not hypothesising it is Niburu and his evidence is inclusive and not accepted by all scientists. He is certainly not suggesting it is called Niburu and populated by aliens which it inst lol. Some Niburuists have jumped on the back of the Gomes theory which Im sure he would be horrified to hear.

Because there is no evidence for Niburu whatsoever, Niburuists often latch on to these astronomical hypotheses to validate the Niburu of Sitchen and the Channelers which is contradictory as whatever evidence there may be for a this hypothetical body, it does not follow any of the orbits or stories created by these parties or the dubious entities being channeled etc. It is impossible for them to be the same thing even if Niburu did exist which it doesnt.

Lets be clear about this, the postulated Tyche or Planet X is not Niburu and has nothing in common with it whatsoever apart from it being the last chance saloon for believers in Sitchen's Niburu. Sitchens orbits are impossible yet they have nothing in common with this postulated body. They are absolutely not the same item. One is fictional and one is an astronomical hypothesis.

It would help if Niburists talked in terms of Niburu when attempting to prove Sitchens planet rather than PX or Tyche which is not Niburu at all.

It is still possible that Tyche and Planet X do not exist but as for Niburu
It just aint there.



Below are two scientific articles relating to the article in the Independent.

Thanks for your post .

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Tyche, it's not Nibiru (and probably not even real)
http://astroblogger.blogspot.co.uk/2011/02/tyche-its-not-nibiru-and-probably-not.html

No, there’s no proof of a giant planet in the outer solar system
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/02/14/no-theres-no-proof-of-a-giant-planet-in-the-outer-solar-system/

Carol wrote:I think we all are aware something happened in the past based on the stories of various events of floods and such. Where the mystery lies - is a guess as to what caused some of these earth changing events. Comet, astroid, pole shift, solar flare, CME? And everyone pretty much accepts that what has occurred in the past can occur again. Think Carrington Event Solar storm of 1859. This should be a wake-up call given all of the sun's current activity and the huge ozone hole that looks like it is there to stay that stretches across the equator zone subjecting everything under it to huge daily doses of solar radiation.