All talk and no action?

Owlsden wrote:Floyd, your antics for my responding to you "are not becoming".. Goodbye!

Bye old chap

Til next...

Ze authorities have been informed zat u do not hav ze right paperz

Blah blah blah

"How many of us are prepared to join in a community?"

I've been giving this one a lot of thought recently Floyd even though we've been working toward making our place as self-sustainable as possible. I guess it boils down to belief in the end and who does one believe. From what you've posted in the past your belief is that a area in England will be in a new region that is very much like the climate of Spain.

I have spent years thinking about this ever since I first read Edgar Cayce back in the early 70's. I've read numerous other reports, others research, had access to inside info and have come to the conclusion that the future is mutable and I've no clue what is going to happen, or where we will end up.

One ET group communicated about the sun. Major Ed Dames talks about remote viewing the solar "kill shot." Pane wrote about the sun doing a major CME March 2013 that will pretty much wipe out the planet. Even ET sources communicate of evacuations and other abductees speak of being taken into the future to underground basis where they experienced the passing of the galactic wave.

If the galactic wave is real as Patrick Geryl describes well - where does one go to be safe?

Back in 1998 I started to prepare for Y2K. We buried a 40 foot container into the hillside and I have a few years worth of food stored in it along with a number of other survival items. The house is next to a stream and on the other side of the moraine is a very deep fresh water lake. Sounds grand with the exception that winders are a good 6-8 monist with average temps at 22 degrees and one is under snow and ice for the majority of the year.

So then we decided to move to a climate where one can grow food all year round. The only real drawback is that there is a volcano on the other end and it's in the middle of the Pacific with a good 2,000 to 3,000 miles of water on each side. In fact, even Major Ed Dames had a home on Maui so obviously he thought the area safe enough to survive the "kill shot" by hanging out in a lava tube.

I also realize I don't like giving control of my live over to another and in any community there is always someone who wants to be boss and call the shots. I don't work like that. And then there is the whole issue of privacy and liking isolation. Meaning, I would be quite content on my own with my husband. Yet, we also have a neighborhood community group that works together so there is numbers there, yet each are independent.

I've expanded our orchard and have all types of fruit, nut, and avocado trees. Pretty much anything that goes into the ground has to produce food so I have pineapples, potatoes and root food. We also bought another years worth of food supplies and a whole lot of organic seeds to grow food or sprout. The bee hive went in a couple of weeks ago.

So what's next Floyd? We have a neighborhood community. Many have very good gardens. We have horses, carts and even wild pigs. Yet, if there is that mega solar blast what good is all of this? If and when we have a pole shift who is to say what a safe area is because frankly, the word from ET is evacuation.

Then we have the Native Americans sharing that we will be going into the 5th world which means this world as we know it will be gone. Of course John Hogue claims all will be well and there is nothing to worry about... meaning there are many years ahead of us on this planet. Then there is Andrew Basiago, a real time traveler who did travel into the future to one of their locations site in about 2043 and all was well. Of course the trip to 2013 in Washington DC was a bit distressing as it was under water.

Then I really did have a time traveler in my home, so my perspective is a bit more expended then most. So who is to know what's what. Even ET gets future info wrong - repeatedly. Because other ETs and humans can alter the future via time travel so why worry about any of it. I give up. Meaning I've surrendered to what will be, will be and there isn't a whole lot I can do about any of it.

Remember - Y2K didn't happen. All of my friends who had Ph.Ds. were wrong. Why is that? Perhaps the time line shifted - again. But we had no clue that was even a possibility back then. And all that "stuff" that I bought and all of those preparations were for naught. It's all 3,000 miles away in a snowy climate where food is very difficult to grow during the winter months.

I guess as long as we have a child living at home there is this inner compelling urge to do whatever to keep her safe and prepare for the future. However, just which future are we preparing for? Evacuation ships with ET, lave tubes or underground facilities - or perhaps we will undergo some type of spiritual transfiguration? I really don't know anymore what I'm doing other then living by faith and focusing on self-sustainability.

Next year, we plan on traveling through Europe visiting family. So off we go leaving the security blanket behind.

I really wouldn't mind doing a few house swaps along the way and let someone experience all the work that goes into maintaining this place. There is something to be said about collecting eggs for breakfast, salad for dinner and just picking dessert off the trees. And it's nice to sit out on our rusted porch swing drinking ice tea and looking off into the distance at the ocean.

The way I see it Floyd - all we really have is now. And it is god who decides where we will be and when it is time for us to transition. It is god's timing not mine or anyone else that puts us where we need to be when it's time for that next step. We can prepare until the cows come home but it doesn't mean we are preparing for ourselves. All that stuff I have in Oregon may go to others when there is a need. Or we may be far from home in Italy when TSHTF. Who is to say what tomorrow will bring? Currently one third of Thailand is under water and Turkey underwent a major quake. Japan is still reeling from March 11th and the world's economy is in the crapper.

There are numerous distractions. Yet when all is said and done - how does it feel to look yourself in the mirror each morning? Who did you help this day? What type of happiness have your brought into another life? What have you given away this day to enhance it, make it a bit better? Are you learning the lessons you came down to this earth to learn?

I honestly don't know how much time we, as humankind, have left on this earth. I don't even know how much time I as an individual has left. But I do know I own my present moment. It is my creation, this moment and I can pretty much fill it with anything I wish. This is where real freedom exists. It's an internal experience.

So when you speak of being willing to join in a community... I'm already there - here. And if it is predetermined (prior to this particular incarnation) that I exist in the type of community you have in mind then events will unfold where that will manifest. It does have its appeal. And death also has its appeal because conscious awareness continues sans a physical form. I guess I'm just curious Floyd as to what the bigger plan is. I've just got hold of a little piece and it keeps morphing.

So there are those who are willing but won't until necessity creates the opportunity to move in that direction. And then there are those not willing but circumstances move them in that direction.

Right now I'm just enjoying manifesting on this tiny level in the small way that is open before me. It's all good Floyd. No worry. Things tend to work out exactly as they need to.

That was yet another brilliant post, Carol. Have you thought about putting most of your posts into a book? I think that discussing things on the internet is very necessary for humanity right now. I'd rather see people arguing on the internet, than running in the streets, or going off to war. It's the 'doing something' that scares me. Perhaps we don't need to do a lot. I'm so undecided and unsettled about so many things, that I frankly don't trust myself to do a lot right now. I'm trying to become much more comfortable with everything I have been dealing with, before I actually do much of anything with it. I'm conceptually trying to be part of the secret government, just so I can try to understand them, rather than just hate them.

First we were walking together, each one of us taking full responsability for a new step, now we are flying thanks to carolowlsden OWLSDENCAROL, or what?

Floyd wrote:I Am an enemy of the New World Order.

In my mind the key to trying to prevent the NWO is to do something about the monetary system so that the controlling factor the elites have is removed.

I'm hoping that typing on forums does make a contribution to this if constructive ideas are typed!

I follow the efforts of Ellen Brown who advocates for public banking with the numerous articles she writes and the interviews she does. Then I try to comment on forums, and in the comment section of various websites such as YouTube, to support what she is doing.

I'm hoping that people are reading this stuff. And that there are some people who are in a position to take action based on what they've learned.

I also like the grassroots free energy movement. There are seven young men who have YouTube channels for their videos showing their experimentation and sharing their ideas that I follow and comment on. I also use private messages on YouTube to ask questions and make suggestions and share information with these people. If the grassroots could succeed at implementing free energy technology this world would be transformed.

Carol wrote:

If the galactic wave is real as Patrick Geryl describes well - where does one go to be safe?

Yet another fear porn artist who appeared on Avalon.

There are some people I know who have set up an idyllic community in Nicaragua. The unfortunate aspect of their paradisaical location is that it is near the foot of a rather large volcano, though I dont think this perturbs them too much.

I have noticed that many are located in Canada and several in British Columbia. The majority are in the United States (sadly many of them are in the spirit of real estate rather than eco community) though there are a number in Australia, Asia and England. South America also has its its fair share of eco communities.

I think generally speaking, people are reluctant to give up their home comforts, even the so called 'Occupy London' protesters have been erecting tents outside St Pauls Cathedral and not staying in them as they miss having a shower and watching the X factor etc.

Apart from the odd riot by anarchists, socialists and new age hippies, there isnt really much happening.


This is one of the reasons the PTB are not particularly worried. The laissez faire attitude of the dissenters who seem mostly restricted to a group of about 30 or so internet forums or the odd upturning of a car in some capital city somewhere does not ruffle their feathers particularly. Whilst discussion is important to an extent it is the pro active contributions of those involved in Greenpeace and Friends of the Earth that make a fuller contribution to the debate and how we live our lives on this planet and on how messing with nature is not helping us. Of course, the governments will promote prosperity and jobs at the expense of millions of starving and using every available resource in the process. Sometimes they will even start a war to procure such resources.

Taking the step to living in an eco village community with like minds where nature is universally is respected is fine, even on a small scale with your partner family or friends but in the final analysis it doesnt matter what location it is in.

If the world does one day come to an end as we know it, to know that we have played our part in this and to the best of our abilities should be enough.


Having said that there are some locations that would fair better than others in the event of a pole shift and/or somewhat large geo-physical planetary change.

I am here merely for mutual acknowledgement. Humanity is not on a sustainable path. It's sad, but I like to know where it's going anyway, be it a wall or a down a cliff. Most of the people I work and live with don't want to know.

Another thing I'm hoping is that the THRIVE documentary will be followed by grassroots action. Their trailer has had over a 1/4 million views so far, and I believe I saw in the Comments section that the producers plan on following up with a blog on their website. Maybe their website will become a source of inspiration and coordination.

It takes very little to contribute to the cause for a better world . Just say I REFUSE !


This is also Cliff High view .

Вы отказываетесь?.....
You refuse?.....
SNIP

Yes, i refuse. It is my right as fractional part owner of this planet to refuse. To determine just how much right you or anyone else may have, take the total sum of all resources of earth and divide by all life and you will have found your share, however please note that this is also your level of planetary responsibility. In case you missed that part of the Matterium Manual (soon to be released), your planetary resource share is also the total amount of debt that universe places on you for life. That is to say, you are charged with using that share of the planet's resources (including life force) to return more than you used. If you do so, if you add more value to universe than you receive, then you have achieved the goal of life here in matterium. And universe will provide prizes...likely celebratory pie as well.

Simple to state, but a real challenge to achieve. Made even more of a challenge by all the humans running around pretending to be talking assholes who are direct impediments to right thinking, and right action here on earth.

In point of fact, refusal is the ultimate right, the ultimate weapon for any planet earth shareholder. Especially those of us who bother to think occasionally. The best, final, and yet, first, and scariest weapon that any shareholder has is their will, and the intent to use it.

Particularly when they intend to use it to refuse.

To refuse to participate in bullshit of any kind.

SNiP

"Refusal can start by NOT accepting ANY mainstream media report as factual in any way. Refusal to accept their mind control begins the process of breaking its grip on you. Then it is merely a matter of learning what really happen in history instead of all the lies they tried to shove down your throat in school. "

http://www.halfpasthuman.com/refusniks.html


In the spirit of exercizing the right to refuse in other tricks to enslave the population i post the following :

"Take action against seed patenting.


"Call to take part in a demonstration on 26 October 2011, at 9 am (CET),
at the European Patent Office in Munich, Erhardtstr. 27 against patents on seeds.

Attend public hearings on 26 October and 8 November 2011 at the EPO!
Stop Patents on Broccoli and Tomato!
Stop Patents on Life! "

http://www.reclaimthefields.org.uk/


Now imagine that you have a a vegetable garden and the EU will demand that you pay royalties for planting seeds of grain or tomatoes of broccoli . To me , even though i am not a farmer , planting seed is a natural right and therefore
paying royalties for something that until now is free is anathema . So if I was a farmer , and somebody asked me about paying royalties .... I would answer with a shotgun blast in the face .
Some times people have to just draw a line in the sand even though doing so could lead to assassinations . If governments can do it every day in wars of aggression ..... so other human can . It is called revolution and the road to revolution has many paths .

Joining a forum like this is already joining a community. At least one of ideas around topics commonly shared by the various members. I have met some kindred souls in this place that I consider part of my soul family. As metaw I am interested to see where the world is going from a different angle that what mainstream serves us. I don't consider I lost my time in any sense from the first day I opened the door of what was then Avalon. The various perspectives of everyone here are enriching my own.If the internet ever goes down I know we will remain connected as the Heart is where we are one. I consider we came on this plane with a common purpose that unfolds in different colors. The Earth bound people are already and will continue to give Mother Earth the care and the love she deserves. Would humanity wake up to that responsability I believe there will be peace on Earth.I have a positive view of the future . What will hit the wall or fall from the cliff is everything that did'nt serve the greatest good for all. To me the most important thing is knowing your Heart, your core essence and following it's call. This is the door where we know we enter the right place, at the right time, in the Love flow, the essence of Life, the Now.

Love Always
mudra

Floyd wrote:

Carol wrote:

If the galactic wave is real as Patrick Geryl describes well - where does one go to be safe?

Yet another fear porn artist who appeared on Avalon.

Taking the step to living in an eco village community with like minds where nature is universally is respected is fine, even on a small scale with your partner family or friends but in the final analysis it doesnt matter what location it is in.

If the world does one day come to an end as we know it, to know that we have played our part in this and to the best of our abilities should be enough.

Having said that there are some locations that would fair better than others in the event of a pole shift and/or somewhat large geo-physical planetary change.

Patrick Gerly may be a bit of a nutter but Paul LaViolette is not. http://www.coasttocoastam.com/guest/laviolette-paul/6647

Also, in the last pole shifts it was shown that the most stable area on the planet was in the northern sector of South America and this was based on science. Yet this time, this pole shift may be different because the circumstances leading to the pole shift will be different. For example many RVers couldn't get past 2012. These RVers spoke of an event where they just wanted to hang out. Of course I suspect this will be our galactic wave that triggers humankind's evolutional awakening.

There were also a number of hypnotic studies where people were taken into the future and their data was identical. They no longer existed on this planet. How is that? I'm not worried about 2012. I'm not expecting any pole shift due to the timeline shift, nor do I expect any CMEs to severely impact the planet. However, I do wonder about March 2013 but won't have a sense of this until it is closer to the time line event - if there is an event.

And yes,

I would love to live in some type of eco village community with like minds where nature is universally is respected in my old age - only I just don't see myself getting old. Older yes, old - no. Yet somehow I suspect these eco village communities will come about after the planetary changes, not before. At least that is the info from some of the time travelers. So I do suspect the Four Corners ( a region of the United States consisting of the southwestern corner of Colorado, northwestern corner of New Mexico, northeastern corner of Arizona) to be one of the safe zones. And I suspect someone living in an earthship type home could survive the upcoming changes and shifts. That is if they protected their solar and electronic equipment in a faraday cage.

The reason I say after is because of all of the nuclear contamination and impending nuclear power plant meltdowns. Will our DNA alter to allow our physical bodies to live in radioactive toxic environments? From what has happened with the animal life surround Chernobyl I do consider that a viable possibility for future humankind. Despite Mutations, Chernobyl Wildlife Is Thriving http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/04/0426_060426_chernobyl.html

I'm not to sure about us though. And the Fukushima disaster is worse than Chernobyl. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/why-the-fukushima-disaster-is-worse-than-chernobyl-2345542.html

We still don't know how this is affecting the oceans, sea life and northern hemisphere. Yet I've seen some amazing info come out on cleaning radiation up and was told by a contactee that ET was helping as well - so I have faith down the road this too will get taken care of.

So if one was to find a spot now with an eco village community with like minds where is it? You've identified some areas. Yet the key for me is also the like minds. Given my personality I just don't know how I would fit it. Now if it had a choir and musicians that might work - as long as the music suited what I liked to participate in. So even a simple requirement for upliftment also has some snags. I wouldn't mind sitting with you in a pub with a stout and listening to some of the mellow guitar music you've selected on various threads Floyd... or sitting under the stars with a a nice fire in the middle and someone playing.

We've actually been up in Yosemite listening to concerts at night and it was a perfect moment. Life doesn't get any better.

Hmm, maybe while traveling we can actually map out and visit some eco communities. We will be in Italy, France, Germany for sure, likely Switzerland and England. Our daughter would like to go to Norway and live some day. Now that we have some members posting from South America... just know you've been on my list as a place to visit for some time. Of course Japan and poor Thailand also were locations I'd like to visit. The architecture in Russian has me drooling and China has me curious. Should the IQD ever RV it's a world back pack tour for sure. On past journeys the best coffee was in Italy; the best chocolate Switzerland; the best sandwiches, railroad stations; the best wine and breakfast croissant with coffee France; the best tea England; the best beer Germany... as you can see, I remember perfect moments of ingestion.

My 1928 Book of Common Prayer table for finding Easter goes from April 16, 1786 to March 31, 2013. Interesting...

Floyd wrote:

Yet another fear porn artist who appeared on Avalon.

Uploaded today, right on time for Floyd's thread:

TheAntiTerrorist on Doom Porn-part 1 of 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iq93t5Rv4I4


TheAntiTerrorist on Doom Porn-part 2 of 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQnfFJMwsCo

I wouldn't join a physical eco village community. The problem for me is the new agers that create them, don't have the proper investing, business, and real estate background, to create a successful new civilization, and their level of spiritual development is in question, even though they are new agers. For example everyone thought Bill Ryan was spiritually advanced for a time being, then his ego made openings, making an opening for Charles to con him and make a fool of him. They do tend to have an elitist attitude as well, for example the occult community is fairly elitist, and they simply refuse to talk in regular English. They don't wish to talk to " the profane", but logically I know every soul is equal, so I am shunning the elitist as well. I simply wouldn't get along in real life with these people, I don't resonate with them. I'm just going to stay on the front line in the major cities, and work in corporate America trying to change things behind the scenes. If I die I die, but it is of no true consequence to me, because I simply go back to my soul group. Honestly, I don't think there are going to be major upheavals though, everyone here probably has plenty of time for their development. But if it means anything, even if I wouldn't get a long with you guys in real life, I least enjoy interacting with you all online ironically.

Where you can hide from the one that sees all?
And that one is your higher self...

Creator isn`t coming... it`s here already...

investigator wrote:I wouldn't join a physical eco village community. The problem for me is the new agers that create them, don't have the proper investing, business, and real estate background, to create a successful new civilization, and their level of spiritual development is in question, even though they are new agers. For example everyone thought Bill Ryan was spiritually advanced for a time being, then his ego made openings, making an opening for Charles to con him and make a fool of him. They do tend to have an elitist attitude as well, for example the occult community is fairly elitist, and they simply refuse to talk in regular English. They don't wish to talk to " the profane", but logically I know every soul is equal, so I am shunning the elitist as well. I simply wouldn't get along in real life with these people, I don't resonate with them. I'm just going to stay on the front line in the major cities, and work in corporate America trying to change things behind the scenes. If I die I die, but it is of no true consequence to me, because I simply go back to my soul group. Honestly, I don't think there are going to be major upheavals though, everyone here probably has plenty of time for their development. But if it means anything, even if I wouldn't get a long with you guys in real life, I least enjoy interacting with you all online ironically.

I can so relate investigator. I don't even get along with some members of my own family and if I never saw them again it would be too soon. As one can surmise, it's easier to love these members from afar and stay out of the way their dysfunctional cow poo behavior.

And I agree with you too Beren. It's already here.

Metwa3, those youtube videos are a hoot and right on target. The key is not to fall for the programed game plan and keep fear out of one's life.

I also like ENWO's contributions as he is identifying the most important agent of change - the grass roots movement. I too keep plugging away with this bit of news and a few opinions. Living out on an island literally in the middle of nowhere I do sometimes feel like I'm talking to the wind. However, the message is out there in the ethers. Someone has to speak up for the planet, the birds, fish, animals, our air, water and the earth. Must be my native American side coming out waving the flag and saying things like "Are you fricking crazy?" when it comes to building nuclear power plants or releasing toxins into the environment. It does get a bit discouraging to have well educated people look at me as if I'm the one with a cog loose. What is it about toxic prevention and self-destruction that other people just don't get?

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Well, you see folks...here's the things.

One, two or maybe three motivated folks will get a bunch of people real excited about an idea. Then everyone will apply their talents into the idea as best they can; more importantly though is that the affect natural circumstances plays on this group effort will make or break this infant manifestation.

"We'll be home tonight, God willin' and th' creek don rise." (Old Southern Saying)

Many cultures such as the Japanese are very aware that certain geographic areas have "chi" very suitable, (or very un- so) for various human endeavors.

Any sort of (ahem) ECO village will never thrive unless it comes about as genuine NEED, and is located in a place that harmonizes well with it's heart, or it purpose of being.

(For instance, Charlotte, NC's deamon....er..um...purpose is the Exchange of Money. A self-masterbatory cycle of power if there every was one; only supplemented by the fact that three large asphalt rivers converge there. Stay away if you can help it at all...)

Now, this is a two way street. Much, much energy has been placed into the systems of control -(OK...alright...justnow, when I typed the word "control" the announcer onthe TV said control, so i heard it as I typed it....very strange, but happening more often......) that are used to keep the elite in power. THe problem is, FORCING an entity into exsistence takes a great toll on mother nature. She then does only what she can do, which is try an balance out the disparity between the energys of man and herself.

THis usually manifests with tornados, tsunamis, floods, cats and dogs living together...well look around you.

Think about all the ghost towns from the old west.


On a different note, some were asking about the coming changes and safe places. I don't know anything about a Galactic Wave (except maybe the photon belt...but a bit obscure on that one...) but an excellent book by Mary Summer Rain is Daybreak: The Dawning Ember. The entire book is composed of letters from readers with extensive Q&A. She provides maps of the new areas and lots of other useful info.

She also strikes me as the real deal.

Whew....ok....enough for now...

investigator wrote:I wouldn't join a physical eco village community. The problem for me is the new agers that create them,

I dont agree entirely with this. I have spent a lot of the last year exchanging emails with eco communities and would say that less than half of them have any 'new age' or spiritul aspirations and their motives and inspiration are entirely ecological.

Many of them ore experts in the fields of permaculture, ecological architecture and sustainability and are more concerned with renewable energy than spirituality.
Having said that if respecting the earth and doing as much as is possible to sustain nature and live in symbiosis with it is deemed spiritual, then so be it.

Also I wonder about the term new age. It is a vast over generalisation, partly to with an ongoing propaganda leveled against 'it' by the judeo christian tradition in an attempt to link elements of it as satan worshipers and to attack oriental religious philosophies. It is an umbrella term that includes groups that have little in common or are even opposed to each other, just like there is no such thing as Hinduism, a collection of different Indian religions, some theistic, some atheistic and some closer to Buddhism, there is no such thing as the new age religion per se.


Like yourself I couldn't hack it in one of the more so called 'spirituality intentional' communities as there is a false economy among so called spiritually enlightened people as you have pointed out in your example. Many of them don't have the slightest understanding of the subject. Not everyone interested in such things falls into this category.
I frequently travel to Glastonbury in the UK which is the epicentre of esoteric England. It has all the usual stuff there, in the town centre, temples for this,healing for that and readings for the other. The best part of it is the landscape around it which many fail to see parting with cash for a past life reading instead.

No, whilst it may be some peoples cup of tea, a community village like that would be to much to chew.

The idea of eco villages or eco towns that are sustainable, run on renewable energy and use permaculture methods in farming is a very good one though and at least we should start incorporating some of these ideas into our towns and cities as much as is possible.

Then, at the dimming of the day, if someone would want to go and meditate in their brightly coloured yurt they could do so. No harm done.



My favourite type of eco village would be a spiritual one living with Ashayana Dean (hayes etc) David Wilcock, Hoagland,Blossom Goodchild, St Claire and all their friends.
Sheer Bliss. Just imagine how bad that would be.
I think I would last then 5 seconds.

investigator wrote:I wouldn't join a physical eco village community. The problem for me is the new agers that create them, don't have the proper investing, business, and real estate background, to create a successful new civilization, and their level of spiritual development is in question, even though they are new agers.

If I die I die, but it is of no true consequence to me, because I simply go back to my soul group. Honestly, I don't think there are going to be major upheavals though, everyone here probably has plenty of time for their development. But if it means anything, even if I wouldn't get a long with you guys in real life, I least enjoy interacting with you all online ironically.

Investigator, Spot on, on the first section. There are new agers here that I played music with in a band, reggea of course, and they lacked the business, investment thing you mentioned. Therefore it never reach no where near it's full potential. I think it is a case of New agers being too idealistic and not facing the reality that surrounds them. Yes we can create that reality, but if there is more people creating a different reality then you drop of idealisme is lost to the sea of consummerisme. The steps between Idealistic world and this world has to be taken. You cann't just pretend that the outside world doesn't exist.

As for the second part. I agree with the fisrt bit but the second would depend heavily on the world outside of what I said above. But I would quite haapily move into a collective village, rather than living on top of each other. Then people can work in or out of the community, getting the outside world to interact with what we could do.

Drinks all round though to all seeks here.

t

Just a kick note. Tree(ah man forgotton the rest of your name) lovely post myfriend feeling the real from you. keep them coming.

On the other thing, there are plenty of abandoned villages here in the mountains, Spainish side. I am still convinceed one could be picked up really cheap and you would have half the buildings in place already. If there is real interest give me a shout. I have a few people here who would be interested.

t

lawlessline wrote: You cann't just pretend that the outside world doesn't exist

The residents of Milton Keynes have been doing that for decades. All a bit Logan's Run!

Floyd wrote:

lawlessline wrote: You cann't just pretend that the outside world doesn't exist

The residents of Milton Keynes have been doing that for decades. All a bit Logan's Run!

Floyd I have family in MK, what are you trying to insinuate? I suppose MK is not the best example, but you never know what the future might hold.

lawlessline wrote:Just a kick note. Tree(ah man forgotton the rest of your name) lovely post myfriend feeling the real from you. keep them coming.

On the other thing, there are plenty of abandoned villages here in the mountains, Spainish side. I am still convinceed one could be picked up really cheap and you would have half the buildings in place already. If there is real interest give me a shout. I have a few people here who would be interested.

t

Thanks for the kind words, I try and shoot straight from the hip.

I hear about the forclosures here in the US and I see empty and abandoned houses all over my town. As a matter of fact I live in a older middle class suburban neihborhood, of which there are nine houses on the inside of our block. Two of them are empty, and have been for at least a year...maybe two...but someone is keep their yards mowed....so that is something....

I often think why could not homeless persons stay in these houses that have been forclosed?

(Well, what do you want for a system of value? some sort of system where things get recorded and....wait...)

We have to start trusting each other at some point, as well as educating people about managing their resources.