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    Archangelic Queens of Heaven and the United States of the Solar System

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    Post  orthodoxymoron Wed Mar 07, 2012 3:43 am

    I have fond live steam memories. Real Elites and Whistle-Blowers Belong to Live Steam Clubs. I really think there are both good and bad elites -- and I think some basically good people got deceived by some basically bad other than people. My dream-home might be something like this (with a live-steam track circling the house)! http://www.missilebases.com/adironback What would David and Seymour say? I'm dedicating this thread to a very special person. Let's just leave it at that. Enjoy the pictures -- and if you get the chance -- participate in a local live steam club. It beats the heck out of arguing about aliens. BTW -- I have a Virgin Atlantic -- and I love to do the Locomotion! But that linked silo-home is probably way too upscale for me -- but it's still cool to think about. I think about a lot of things. If I placed a pipe-organ or an artificial-organ in that missile launch-tube -- I could turn it into a church -- and call it 'Orthodoxymoron and the Temple of Doom'. I could preach sermons to myself about 'The End of the World' or 'Sinners in the Hands of an Angry Orthodoxymoron'! See how sick I am???!!! Or that launch-tube could be used to garage a Sport-Model UFO!!! I could put a Formula One Ferrari in the garage!!! Or at least a 1098cc Ducati!!! I could zip up and down that landing-strip at 175 mph!!! I need to stop. I really do...
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    Here is an inside look at the Secret Steam Program (at an undisclosed location). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcJIuYb21BM Does anyone know why the tubes in the boiler of this steamboat were a mess? Do some research -- and you'll discover that I'm not blowing smoke. Also, consider the broken-wire and runaway-train phenomenon. What does all of the above have in common? There's a very interesting name connected with all of the above -- with a very interesting history. Do some research -- and you might be amazed. Amaze your friends.
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    Here is one of my favorite places. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwiO9GG-Ekw&feature=player_embedded It contains something which is very special to me -- but I won't say what that is. Please donate to the BC Forest Discovery Centre, if you can.
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:52 pm

    Is the United States of the Solar System a Representative-Republic or a Representative-Theocracy? Is the 'Separation of Church and State' intended to keep a Good God or a Bad God out of government and governance? Think about it. Is the 'God of This World' a Good God or a Bad God? As blasphemous and irreligious as this sounds, what if Washington D.C. were superimposed onto Vatican City -- with 10,000 PhD Representatives -- a Ceremonial and Ambassadorial PhD King and PhD Queen of the United States of the Solar System -- and a Very Human, Very Visible, and Very Imperfect Ceremonial, Ambassadorial (and Authority of Last Resort) PhD 'God' (making sure that things didn't spiral out of control -- but not micromanaging or manipulating)???!!! What if half of the PhD Representatives resided in Italy -- and participated in daily legislative sessions within Vatican City? What if the other half of the PhD Representatives were spread throughout the Solar System -- communicating and voting via the InterPlaNet???!!! If Fox News broadcast this proposal -- can you imagine being one of the people answering the angry and livid calls from the General Public???!!! Can you imagine the Official Statements from the Political and Religious Leaders of the World???!!! Can you imagine the responses from Sirius and Orion???!!! Would we suffer a Drac-Attack???!!! Would a Solar System 'God' be the Real Deal -- or just a Propped-Up Puppet Who Agreed to Sell-Out the Human Race??? Would a Solar System God be the God of the Universe -- or just a Local God?? Would there be a Human God and a Reptilian God? Does Michael-Horus-Jesus have Dual-Citizenship?? This 'God Issue' could be EXTREMELY complex and problematic -- in the context of a hypothetical Reptilian v Human Galactic Civil War. Sherri Shriner says that Aliens Are Not Our Friends. But what if Aliens Are Our Relatives???!!! Just think of that Hundred Mile-Long Alien-Spacecraft as being a Bad@$$teroid Mother-In-Law Ship!!!! There's a reason why some of us lead -- and why some of us are merely internet warriors!!! What continues to REALLY worry me -- is whether the Human Race is capable of properly debating and discussing this sort of thing???!!! Is there a critical mass of people who are REALLY doing their homework regarding Politics and Theology in a New Solar System and Brave New Universe???!!! I know there are certain individuals who read my tripe -- completely understand it -- and are capable of intelligently discussing everything in this thread -- yet choose to remain silent or mostly silent. This makes me EXTREMELY apprehensive. I am keeping this tempest in a teapot safely within the confines of this website -- but a proper conversation is NOT occurring. I had hoped that this could be a Mostly Private Back-Channel -- with some meaningful discussions -- even with Alphabet Agency Interns -- but this isn't happening. It seems as if everyone is watching gleefully as I continue to post Provocative Non-PC Speculations and Proposals -- which can and will be (and probably already have been) used against me. I will be MOST interested to learn who said what about me. What did YOU say -- and when did you say it??? I came in peace. Shall I leave you to your own devices -- or will ET simply leave us in pieces???

    I continue to conceptualize the possibility of the historical and contemporary existence of an Orion-Sirius-Egyptian-Roman Empire, administered in this solar system by a hypothetical Reincarnating Osiris-Isis-Horus-Set Royal Family -- wherein the Roman Empire and the Roman Catholic Church would be a highly important and relevant piece of this puzzle. I can't prove this -- and I don't even have a lot of evidence -- but it is part of my ongoing science-fiction series, which I am sharing with the very few of you who bother to read my tripe. I continue to think that Theology is a HUGE part of Politics -- regardless of any problems with texts, history, personalities, ethics, whoever, and whatever. It's still important. My Goal is a New Reformation of the City-States, which retains the best and discards the worst. Once again, I do not wish to start from scratch, or to reinvent the wheel. God and the way God runs the Universe, is a HUGE part of properly understanding Solar System Governance -- especially regarding whether the United States of the Solar System has more than a snowball's chance in hell of being established, and of surviving for more than a generation. I've been told that 'in 20 years, you'll be working for us' and that, in essence, my bad-side would manifest itself. I don't wish to elaborate. The Mind, Character, Personality, Nature, and Government of God are HUGE ISSUES. We should take off our shoes -- because the ground upon which we are standing is HOLY GROUND. Please listen to this previously posted link, for a very balanced theological conversation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBjkZ5WzBfc Note especially the material in the second hour.

    I keep trying to imagine a peaceful and happy solar system, with highly ethical and competent leadership, and without a lot of negative drama. Solar System Governance should be somewhat boring and uneventful. I envision continuing doing what I'm doing right now, but in a much more sophisticated and refined manner. I'm really not joking when I speak of a 600 square-foot office-apartment, a Cray, and a Fisk! I am joking when I speak of a Personal Sport-Model Bad@$$teroid and Six Goddesses! One more time, the 'God' portion of the hypothetical New Solar System is VERY important. Perhaps Male and Female Human Physicality -- combined with Responsible Freedom -- are a Rebellious-Invention in a Theocratic Hermaphrodite-Reptilian Universe. I don't know that this is the case, and I am VERY, VERY, VERY sorry for any disrespect or irreverence, especially if this hypothesis is completely in error. However, if this theory is even partially correct, it is VERY important to determine how we might bring that which exists in this solar system -- into harmony with the rest of the universe -- or how to conduct business in a manner which does not cause the rest of the universe to seek to exterminate ALL of us. When I say that I feel as if I am in conflict with Myself, Divinity, and Humanity -- I do not imply hostility or hatred -- but rather a fundamental idealistic struggle -- which seeks to overcome all obstacles to the achievement of a Genuinely Heavenly Universe. A New Solar System must be considered in harmony with a Brave New Universe. The way things have been run throughout the universe, for billions and trillions of years, may not change anytime soon, and perhaps for good-reason -- but where does that leave the Human Race, in this little solar system? Was our punishment and extermination decided upon Hundreds of Thousands of Years Ago? "We can change!!" might be irrelevant. "The decision is made"? I would encourage all of you to study the Bible, even if you don't believe a word in it, and even if you don't believe in God (with an upper or lower case 'g'). We need the mental and spiritual discipline and exercise connected with serious Bible-study. I have made some study suggestions below, and I didn't pull them out of an anatomical black-hole. Something is VERY wrong with me, on a physical, mental, and spiritual level, but I still have enough sense to point you in productive areas of research. I feel VERY attacked, and I might not get better anytime soon. However, I don't think I'll get worse anytime soon. I think I'm pretty much stuck in the muck, right where I am. I am not leadership-material in the real-world, but I am a serious force to deal with in the theoretical-world. I mean absolutely no harm, and I completely agree with the Hippocratic Oath "First, Do No Harm". Don't stop thinking about the Idealistic Integration of Theoretical-Theology, Theoretical-Governance, and Science-Fiction. Star Wars, Battlestar Galactica, Stargate SG-1, and "V" are only the beginning. Alex Collier is absolutely right when he says that Hollywood is really "clued-in" regarding all of the esoteric stuff. I simply have a HUGE problem with the regressive-influences in Hollywood. I don't even want to begin to think about how nasty the closed-door meetings get in Hollywood, New-York, Washington, DC, London, and Rome. Some of you know EXACTLY what I'm talking about. The horror.

    **************************************************GOD**************************************************

    *************THE KING AND QUEEN OF THE UNITED STATES OF THE SOLAR SYSTEM*************

    THE UNITED STATES OF THE SOLAR SYSTEM****THE SOLAR SYSTEM COUNCIL OF CHURCHES
    *******U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights*******************1928 Book of Common Prayer*******
    *************The Federalist Papers********************************The Desire of Ages*************
    ************J.S. Bach and G.F. Handel**************************J.S. Bach and G.F. Handel**********
    **************Cathedral Context************************************Cathedral Context**************
    When there are no organizational constraints, we the people are often quite fickle, and we sometimes swing from one extreme to another. I have been attempting an integration of the orthodox and the unorthodox -- as an orthodoxymoron -- for better or for worse. I have recently been taking a bit of a closer look at the City-States, which includes the Vatican -- in light of a lot of the new (for a lot of us) and controversial information. I like the concepts of Evolutionary Change and Minimalist Traditionalism, as sort of a mysterious blend. Try focusing on the following:

    1. The Psalms in the King James Version of the Holy Bible.
    2. The Gospel According to Matthew in the KJV.
    3. The Epistle to the Hebrews in the KJV.
    4. The 1928 'Book of Common Prayer'.
    5. 'The Desire of Ages' by E.G. White.
    6. 'Jesus: Last of the Pharaohs' by Ralph Ellis.
    7. 'The Federalist Papers'.
    8. 'Believe in the God Who Believes in You' by Robert H. Schuller.
    9. 'The Jesuits' by Malachi Martin.
    10. The Music of G.F. Handel.
    11. The Music of J.S. Bach.
    12. Physical Exercise in Nature.

    Try all of the above for an extended period of time, and then see what you think regarding Theological and Liturgical Reform. This is merely one physical, mental, and spiritual treadmill among dozens of others. However, there is a coherent rationale to this formula, which you may or may not wish to experience. After all, this is all about what YOU think, and not about what I think. I will not force my views on anyone or be a pain in the hindquarters. Take a look at the cover article on the 'King James Bible' in the December 2011 issue of 'National Geographic'. I encourage reverent yet honest theological research, which is neither blind-conservatism or brash-liberalism. I encourage the highest achievements of ethical spirituality and practical living. Many like the Latin Mass, but many like the Novus Ordo Mass. I wonder what type of religious service the Anglican and Catholic Cathedral Organists and Choirmasters would desire? They might be the people to talk to. Is 'Evangelical Anglo-Catholic' a useful term? Might a 1928 'Book of Common Prayer' in parallel columns of Latin and English facilitate such a hypothetical phenomenon? Has anyone considered the Latin Mass in the context of Ancient Egypt? I hope you all appreciate how difficult and dangerous all of this is. We live in times which are way too interesting. How do we properly define 'God'? What if the following Stargate 'Continuum' scene approximates 'God' in this solar system? Would this necessarily be a bad thing, if the beings in the spaceship were actually highly-ethical, supremely-compassionate, and hyper-competent, rather than being the sinister and ruthless god, goddess, and system lords they were in Stargate 'Continuum'? What if the beings were various types of reptilians? What if God ISN'T One of Us? What would Joan Osborne say? I guess I'll continue to try to make my peace with a non-corrupt and somewhat-sane version of the 'way things are'. I keep thinking about my example, in a previous post, regarding 100 gods and goddesses meeting in San Chapelle de Paris. What if they really met within these sacred walls, and what if they were debating my New Solar System aka the United States of the Solar System? There is something about having a select group conducting a discussion on a very high level, that I frankly find seductively attractive, yet it also scares me, especially if the gods and goddesses were more demonic than angelic. What if this sort of arrangement were instituted instead of the hypothetical United States of the Solar System? What are some other alternatives? The silence is deafening. Consider this video, one more time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZfaNNQpba0

    Consider the following videos, one more time. Turn the volume down 50% on the second one. Watch the first 20 seconds of the first one, and then switch to the second one and start it, while leaving the first one running. Warning. The effect is overwhelming. At least it is for me. It leaves me in tears every time I watch it, and I can't stop watching it. I've been thinking about the second video, on a daily-basis, for many months.

    1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U6TOo7NzkQ&feature=channel_video_title
    2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oFYAmHKLTg&feature=related

    I wish to help you -- but few seem to wish to help me. I keep seeking conversation -- and I keep talking to myself. If you decide to study this thread, please study it as a whole. Don't just do a hatchet-job on bits and pieces of this thread, or say that I'm insane. That would be lame, wouldn't you say? I think I'm going to take a closer look at the parallels between the Church of England and the Monarchy -- compared with the Episcopal Church and the Presidency -- just for kicks!! I'm in political and religious limbo -- and I don't have a research-team or a think-tank feeding me talking-points. Besides, I'm not running for anything. In fact, I feel as if I might be running from something. What is the foundation of Universal Civilization? Freedom? Obedience? Responsibility? Absolute-Obedience in Harmony with Responsible-Freedom? Consider the following:

    1. Original and Unpardonable Sin.
    2. Ritual Human Sacrifice and Cannibalism.
    3. The Substitutionary Atonement and Righteousness by Ritual.
    4. The Concept of 'Salvation' Relative to the Survival and Condition of the Soul.
    5. Male and Female Human-Physicality and Responsible-Freedom.
    6. Hermaphrodite Reptilian-Physicality and Absolute-Obedience?
    7. Perpetual Punishment of Humanity by Divinity?
    8. Perpetual Payment by Humanity to Divinity?
    9. Earth-Humanity in a Reptilian-Universe?
    10. The Orion-Sirius-Egyptian-Roman Empire?
    11. The Osiris-Isis-Horus-Set Reincarnating Royal Family?
    12. How Shall We Be Governed?
    13. How Shall We Then Live?
    14. Who is God?
    15. Where is God?
    16. What is the Nature of God?
    17. Do We Live in an Ethical and Peaceful Universe?
    18. Why Are Things So Chaotic and Violent on Earth?
    19. Why Are There So Many Creepy Secrets?
    20. Is Humanity on the Brink of Extinction?
    21. Does the Existence of Humanity Threaten the Stability of the Universe?
    22. What is REALLY the 'Biggest Secret'?
    23. Would Complete 'Disclosure' of 'Everything' be a 'Good-Thing' or might it be the 'Beginning of the End'?
    24. Game-Playing and Sexual-Experimentation.
    25. Artistic-Creativity and Artistic-License.
    26. Imagination and Invention.
    27. Theology and Mythology.
    28. Fact and Fiction.
    29. Ethical-Deception and White-Lies.
    30. Situation-Ethics and Absolute-Truth.
    31. The Quest for the Historical-Horus and the Mythical-Messiah.
    32. The Games Gods and Goddesses Play with the Kardashians, and with Righteous-Shapeshifting Nazi-Mason-Jesuit Alphabet-Agents.

    Don't look now, but your Cray is on fire, and smoke is pouring out of your ears! We're in a flat-spin, and we're going down fast! Whoop! Whoop! Pull-Up! Slam on the Air-Brakes! Jesus wants to go to Venus! Is it because 'The New York Times' said 'God is Dead'? But the 'Dead Know Not Anything' -- and neither do most of the living. Shave and a Haircut: Six-Pence and None the Richer. What Would Machiavelli and the Prince of Sirius Say? World Without End. Amen Ra.

    Siriusly, people in the 'know' have known a lot of damning things about a lot of things and people for a very long time -- but a censoring power rules above them which wishes to keep sweeping everything under the rug. I discovered this and that about this and that -- but I simply had to move on -- rather than involving myself in pointless trench-warfare with the BTB (Bastards That Be). I still wonder what sort of Galactic Arrangement this Solar System and the Human Race exist under??!! I suspect that it's NOT a nice one. Attempted reforms might be pointless. Resistance might really be futile. This is the major reason I keep harping on Solar System Governance -- like a broken CD. This is the thread that never ends. It just goes on and on, my friends. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_47KVJV8DU "End the Thread! End the Thread! End the Thread!"

    I recently joked about the Solar System being ruled from Pluto -- by a bunch of Plutocrats!! But seriously, it might be fun to think about a United States of the Solar System Plutocracy! Consider the United States of the Solar System as being completely human (or mostly human) -- and Nibiru basically being an Ellis Island of the Galaxy for Freedom-Seeking Reptilians and Greys -- in a Circular Orbit, Safely Beyond the Orbit of Pluto! I'm assuming that this Solar System is a Human Island in a Reptilian Universe (for modeling purposes). I'm having a very difficult time transitioning from my stupid and useless real world life -- to my exciting and important out of this world imaginary life. I'm not sure if I actually crave this sort of life -- or if my insecurity DRIVES me to think about this sort of thing. I suspect that current Solar System Governance is an absolute nightmare -- especially if one really had clear vision and compassion. The view from the top might REALLY suck. I keep imagining myself being on the Moon -- looking at Earth -- and weeping and weeping and weeping. I kid you not. As you well know, my conceptual modeling is quite strange and somewhat insane -- and I'm REALLY pulling my punches and restraining myself. I really am. I'm also probably completely discrediting myself, and possibly ruining whatever future I might've had. This whole thing seems like a complete loss and a complete waste of time -- yet I keep on keeping on -- but WHY? It takes all kinds -- but WHY? The show must go on -- but WHY?
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:27 pm

    orthodoxymoron wrote:The continuing BS in this solar system needs to stop NOW. Why can't all factions agree to STOP THE BS NOW? Why is this so @#$%&!! hard????? At this point - I would like to be an observer at meetings where the humans and non-humans who really know what the hell is going on - and who are really in charge of what's going on - are making the key decisions which affect all of us now - and which will affect us all in the future - and I'm not talking about Bilderberg - unless it's the permanent members meeting under Antarctica or the Darkside of the Moon. I promise to keep my mouth shut - during the meetings - and after the meetings - unless I am asked to speak in an appropriate situation. Can somebody set this up? Alternately - can someone who really knows what the hell is going on - answer the questions I have repeatedly asked on AV1 and MOA? What about you, Lucifer? Now I'm going to go back to watching Battlestar Galactica 'Caprica'. One more thing - does my avatar describe what's going on in this solar system - father, son, and spirit? Your move......

    Would 10,000 highly competent solar system leaders from throughout the solar system - in the context of a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System aka The United States of the Solar System - be too centralized - or too decentralized? Should it include hybrids - or be limited to completely human beings? Or - are we all hybrids? If so - should the leaders be limited to those who are at least 90% human - as we generally know human to be? Again - what is the true nature, origin, and destiny of the soul - in humans, hybrids, greys, reptilians, et al? You see - this thread can become very, very interesting. This is simply the first stage. The crazy stage - if you will. I'm just sort of thrashing about - at this point. Few seem to be taking it seriously. The second stage will involve academics building a solid foundation of scholarship and peer review. The third stage will be communication with solar system leaders. The fourth stage will inform the general public. The fifth stage will be an inevitable infowar - hopefully a cold-war. The sixth stage will involve unification and implementation. The seventh stage will involve mistakes, misunderstanding, and outright blunders. The eighth stage will involve disillusionment and reconsideration. The ninth stage will be the stage where we really get it right. I have no idea how long this will take - and I have no idea if I am right or wrong. This is simply more speculation and extrapolation. I am not a prophet, or a son of a prophet - that I know of...

    I really would like to be some sort of a solar system observer - at some point - with access - but without authority. This is sort of a dream job for me - at this point. Again - this is all a big mental and spiritual exercise. I don't have a Cray Supercomputer to model this - so I'm stuck with using my feeble and deluded imagination. By the way - do computers have souls? Think about it. Our minds are computers, of sorts - and we supposedly have souls - so why couldn't computers have souls? I just finished watching Battlestar Galactica 'Caprica'! Wasn't that a cool house???!!!

    I keep thinking of 10,000 highly, highly competent and ethical representatives from throughout the solar system - of all races and all nations - discussing, debating, and voting on solar system issues. One shouldn't have too many or too few really powerful people in charge of solar system affairs. The idea is to never allow corruption, incompetence, and insanity to gain a stronghold. Once again - I like the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights - but where did all of the incompetent, corrupt, nitwit politicians come from? And what's really going on in smoke-filled rooms and underground bases? Who is the man or woman behind the curtain? I'm really quite frightened right now. I am amazed at the complexity and deep thought contained in 'The Federalist Papers' and 'The Anti-Federalist Papers'. These are not easy books to read - but they should be read by everyone - regardless of their religious or political pursuasion. Once again - We the People of Earth need to be Lifelong Researchers and Deep Thinkers - and we need to embrace a Religion of Responsibility - in order to become truly free - and remain truly free. World Without End. Amen.

    Mercuriel wrote:What We must do is deserve a place at that Table by becoming Sovereign and this is in the ET's Words...

    Once We are of enough understanding - That place at the Table is waiting for Us...

    That said - Perhaps We now see why It is so important. If We don't become Sovereign as a Race on Our own by demanding and supporting the right kind of change not only in Our World - But in Ourselves - That place will not be forthcoming - And others will speak for Us by Proxy as has already been happening for Aeons...

    If We want that place at the Table - We must change Our ways and become Sovereign or Its a no-go - Period...

    So then one should say to Themselves at this Point - "Time to become Sovereign"...

    Musical

    That sounds right to me. We seem to be Rebels Without a Clue, on a Planet in Rebellion - and I include myself in being more a part of the problem than being part of the solution. I'm trying to change direction - and I have been trying for a long time - but it never really seems to happen. Big ideas - but no follow-through. I swear that I think I have met several ET's or Hybrids - but I can't be sure - and I've felt very humbled by the experience. The same goes for online encounters. What is the definition of 'Sovereign'? I think you have described this somewhat - but could you elaborate? I see the potential for misunderstanding this word. 'Sovereign' could imply excessive independence or even arrogance. I continue to like the word 'Responsibility'. I like the idea of placing this word at the center of everything - and then working outward - so to speak. I further like the idea of every person and every organization applying the word 'Responsibility' to their particular situations - in their own way, and in their own time. The following is from a devotional book entitled 'Christ's Object Lessons' by Ellen White (pages 62-69).

    "The parable of the sower excited much questioning. Some of the hearers gathered from it that Christ was not to establish an earthly kingdom, and many were curious and perplexed. Seeing their perplexity, Christ used other illustrations, still seeking to turn their thoughts from the hope of a worldly kingdom to the work of God's grace in the soul.

    "And He said, So is the kingdom of God, as if a man should cast seed into the ground; and should sleep, and rise night and day, and the seed should spring and grow up, he knoweth not how. For the earth bringeth forth fruit of herself; first the blade, then the ear, after that the full corn in the ear. But when the fruit is brought forth, immediately he putteth in the sickle, because the harvest is come."

    The husbandman who "putteth in the sickle, because the harvest is come," can be no other than Christ. It is He who at the last great day will reap the harvest of the earth. But the sower of the seed represents those who labor in Christ's stead. The seed is said to "spring and grow up, he knoweth not how," and this is not true of the Son of God. Christ does not sleep over His charge, but watches it day and night. He is not ignorant of how the seed grows.

    The parable of the seed reveals that God is at work in nature. The seed has in itself a germinating principle, a principle that God Himself has implanted; yet if left to itself the seed would have no power to spring up. Man has his part to act in promoting the growth of the grain. He must prepare and enrich the soil and cast in the seed. He must till the fields. But there is a point beyond which he can accomplish nothing. No strength or wisdom of man can bring forth from the seed the living plant. Let man put forth his efforts to the utmost limit, he must still depend upon One who has connected the sowing and the reaping by wonderful links of His own omnipotent power.

    There is life in the seed, there is power in the soil; but unless an infinite power is exercised day and night, the seed will yield no returns. The showers of rain must be sent to give moisture to the thirsty fields, the sun must impart heat, electricity must be conveyed to the buried seed. The life which the Creator has implanted, He alone can call forth. Every seed grows, every plant develops, by the power of God.

    "As the earth bringeth forth her bud, and as the garden causeth the things that are sown in it to spring forth, so the Lord God will cause righteousness and praise to spring forth." Isa. 61:11. As in the natural, so in the spiritual sowing; the teacher of truth must seek to prepare the soil of the heart; he must sow the seed; but the power that alone can produce life is from God. There is a point beyond which human effort is in vain. While we are to preach the word, we can not impart the power that will quicken the soul, and cause righteousness and praise to spring forth. In the preaching of the word there must be the working of an agency beyond any human power. Only through the divine Spirit will the word be living and powerful to renew the soul unto eternal life. This is what Christ tried to impress upon His disciples. He taught that it was nothing they possessed in themselves which would give success to their labors, but that it is the miracle-working power of God which gives efficiency to His own word.

    The work of the sower is a work of faith. The mystery of the germination and growth of the seed he cannot understand. But he has confidence in the agencies by which God causes vegetation to flourish. In casting his seed into the ground, he is apparently throwing away the precious grain that might furnish bread for his family. But he is only giving up a present good for a larger return. He casts the seed away, expecting to gather it manyfold in an abundant harvest. So Christ's servants are to labor, expecting a harvest from the seed they sow.

    The good seed may for a time lie unnoticed in a cold, selfish, worldly heart, giving no evidence that it has taken root; but afterward, as the Spirit of God breathes on the soul, the hidden seed springs up, and at last bears fruit to the glory of God. In our lifework we know not which shall prosper, this or that. This is not a question for us to settle. We are to do our work, and leave the results with God. "In the morning sow thy seed, and in the evening withhold not thine hand." Eccl. 11:6. God's great covenant declares that "while the earth remaineth, seed-time and harvest . . . shall not cease." Gen. 8:22. In the confidence of this promise the husbandman tills and sows. Not less confidently are we in the spiritual sowing to labor, trusting His assurance, "So shall My word be that goeth forth out of My mouth; it shall not return unto Me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it." Isa. 55:11. "He that goeth forth and weepeth, bearing precious seed, shall doubtless come again with rejoicing, bringing his sheaves with him." Ps. 126:6.

    The germination of the seed represents the beginning of spiritual life, and the development of the plant is a beautiful figure of Christian growth. As in nature, so in grace; there can be no life without growth. The plant must either grow or die. As its growth is silent and imperceptible, but continuous, so is the development of the Christian life. At every stage of development our life may be perfect; yet if God's purpose for us is fulfilled, there will be continual advancement. Sanctification is the work of a lifetime. As our opportunities multiply, our experience will enlarge, and our knowledge increase. We shall become strong to bear responsibility, and our maturity will be in proportion to our privileges.

    The plant grows by receiving that which God has provided to sustain its life. It sends down its roots into the earth. It drinks in the sunshine, the dew, and the rain. It receives the life-giving properties from the air. So the Christian is to grow by co-operating with the divine agencies. Feeling our helplessness, we are to improve all the opportunities granted us to gain a fuller experience. As the plant takes root in the soil, so we are to take deep root in Christ. As the plant receives the sunshine, the dew, and the rain, we are to open our hearts to the Holy Spirit. The work is to be done "not by might, nor by power, but by My Spirit, saith the Lord of hosts." Zech. 4:6. If we keep our minds stayed upon Christ, He will come unto us "as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth." Hosea 6:3. As the Sun of Righteousness, He will arise upon us "with healing in His wings." Mal. 4:2. We shall "grow as the lily." We shall "revive as the corn, and grow as the vine." Hosea 14:5, 7. By constantly relying upon Christ as our personal Saviour, we shall grow up into Him in all things who is our head.

    The wheat develops "first the blade, then the ear, after that the full corn in the ear." The object of the husbandman in the sowing of the seed and the culture of the growing plant is the production of grain. He desires bread for the hungry, and seed for future harvests. So the divine Husbandman looks for a harvest as the reward of His labor and sacrifice. Christ is seeking to reproduce Himself in the hearts of men; and He does this through those who believe in Him. The object of the Christian life is fruit bearing--the reproduction of Christ's character in the believer, that it may be reproduced in others.

    The plant does not germinate, grow, or bring forth fruit for itself, but to "give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater." Isa. 55:10. So no man is to live unto himself. The Christian is in the world as a representative of Christ, for the salvation of other souls.

    There can be no growth or fruitfulness in the life that is centered in self. If you have accepted Christ as a personal Saviour, you are to forget yourself, and try to help others. Talk of the love of Christ, tell of His goodness. Do every duty that presents itself. Carry the burden of souls upon your heart, and by every means in your power seek to save the lost. As you receive the Spirit of Christ--the Spirit of unselfish love and labor for others--you will grow and bring forth fruit. The graces of the Spirit will ripen in your character. Your faith will increase, your convictions deepen, your love be made perfect. More and more you will reflect the likeness of Christ in all that is pure, noble, and lovely.

    "The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance." Gal. 5:22, 23. This fruit can never perish, but will produce after its kind a harvest unto eternal life.

    "When the fruit is brought forth, immediately he putteth in the sickle, because the harvest is come." Christ is waiting with longing desire for the manifestation of Himself in His church. When the character of Christ shall be perfectly reproduced in His people, then He will come to claim them as His own.

    It is the privilege of every Christian not only to look for but to hasten the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, (2 Peter 3:12, margin). Were all who profess His name bearing fruit to His glory, how quickly the whole world would be sown with the seed of the gospel. Quickly the last great harvest would be ripened, and Christ would come to gather the precious grain."


    How far should we take win-win? Should the economic model be communism, socialism, capitalism, or ?? Freedom seems to imply the freedom to do better than the next person - which might not be win-win. Did Lucifer compete with God? Is it wrong to compete with God? At what point should one unquestioningly submit and obey? Is rebellion an integral part of freedom? Does freedom equal anarchy? My solution is to focus on RESPONSIBILITY - which leads to appropriate levels of freedom, competition, cooperation, humility, pride, love, faith, doubt, positive thinking, negative thinking, and sovereignty. RESPONSIBILITY > RESPONSE ABILITY > POSITIVE RESPONSE ABILITY.

    RESPONSIBILITY > SELF-CONTROL > SOVEREIGNTY > FREEDOM

    "Most people do not really want freedom, because freedom involves responsibility, and most people are frightened of responsibility." -- Sigmund Freud

    The Andromedan Perspective Regarding the Future of Humanity is "Responsible Freedom of Self Determination...Becoming Truly Self Confident and Free...to Unconditionally be Responsible for Oneself...Without Being Coerced to Accept Some Higher Authority." -- related by Alex Collier

    "We the People of Earth have before us the opportunity to forge for ourselves, and for future generations...a True World Order. A world where Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...not the Old World Disorder Demonic Theocracy...governs the conduct of nations. When we are successful...and we will be...we have a real chance at this True World Order...an order in which a credible United Nations can use Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom to fulfill the promise and vision of All Races." -- my rewrite of part of a New World Order speech by George H. W. Bush

    "Like it or not, eveything is changing. The result will be the most wonderful experience in the history of man...or the most horrible enslavement that you can imagine. Be active, or abdicate...the future is in your hands." -- William Cooper

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    Danger! Danger! Will Robinson! Danger! This will be one of the most bizarre posts I have ever made. This is merely a brainstorm. Here goes.

    1. Combine the St. Mary's Cathedral Roman Catholic Church (San Francisco, CA) congregation with the Grace Cathedral Episcopal Church (San Francisco, CA) congregation - at Grace Cathedral. Hold separate Roman Catholic and Episcopal services - as well as joint non-sacrificial, non-penetential Ecumenical Namste Latin Mass services - while maintaining separate administrations and leadership.

    2. Deconsecrate St. Mary's Cathedral - and convert it into the new headquarters for a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System aka The United States of the Solar System. I believe the seating capacity is around 2,500 - so with 10,000 representatives - one in four would attend meetings - while the others would participate electronically - for logistical and security purposes. The United Nations was born in San Francisco - so why not hatch the new Solar System here as well?!

    3. Finish Grace Cathedral - ceiling, additional parking, etc. Replace the 1974 Casavant addition to the G. Donald Harrison, Aeolian Skinner pipe-organ with the four manual Reiger pipe-organ (French Romantic tonal design) from Pacific Union College (Angwin, CA) - and move the Casavant to P.U.C. - giving A.D.R.A. a generous ten million dollar donation - cover all moving and installation costs - and donate two million dollars to a needy-student fund at P.U.C. Don't get mad at me! Remember - this is just a brainstorm.

    There's a lot more to my proposal than one might think. St. Mary's Cathedral is really cool - but it doesn't really look like, or feel like, a church. Grace Cathedral looks and feels like a church - in the Roman Catholic and Anglican tradition. Consolidation of expenses would result in HUGE savings to both congregations. This would also be an experiment in ecumenism. I knew a ship captain, who as a young Roman Catholic student - interviewed Bishop James Pike - at Grace Cathedral. The Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System idea would be an experiment, as well. It would start out without a lot of authority - as sort of a dry-run, to get things up and running - and then when it was properly primed - it would go live. The organ transplant would make so much sense. A Stanford DMA organist gave me the idea. We are both tracker-backers. I think Angela is too! The P.U.C. organ is magnificent - but the building sucks! Plus, the organ sticks out like an erected organ - visually, and with reference to the original mission of the SDA church. There's a time and a place for everything. I worry about corrupt and cruel centralized secular and sacred leadership - but I really do seek the right kind of unity - without peace at any price. I love the artistic aspects of the traditional church - but theologically and politically, I think we need to move on.

    What would Harriet Crocker Alexander say? What would Monseigneur Bowe say? What would Pope John Paul I say? What would Mother Teresa say? What would the Queen of Heaven say? What would Ellen White say? What would SaLuSa say? What would Monka do? What would Jesus do?

    Any questions?

    I would really like to know if anyone has taken a close look at this thread - or any of the other threads I have posted. I really and truly don't know how close to the mark they have been. I also don't know how mentally ill I really am. I would love to see any alphabet agency type of work on this material - but I really doubt if they really give a rat's patootie about what I post or don't post - because very few people read it - and even fewer people actually think about it. And I won't be a public crusader for something I really am not 100% confident about. I don't know what kind of beings exist in this solar system. I don't even really know what kind of being I am, or we are. What I am speculating about, and proposing, might turn out to be a complete disaster. Once again - I am trying to know as much of what the elites know, as possible - and then attempt to be an unofficial elite type of person, who is non-corrupt, and who isn't into all of the satanic Bohemian Grove and Masonic Temple ritual cr@p. I don't think the elites really like this BS - but that's just the way business is done in this stupid solar system. I have not tried to be politically correct or popular. I'm just trying to think out loud regarding what kind of a proper church/state situation should exist in this solar system. One cannot leave the church out of this equation. Nothing short of a complete reformation of all churches and governments - to become completely in harmony with the concept of RESPONSIBILITY - will result in the last, great, true renaissance which will bring peace to the world, and to the solar system. What would Albert Schweitzer say?

    The whole fringe world is bizarre to begin with - but I suspect that some of it is real - and the further down the snake-hole I go - the more I can understand why the PTB keep the sheep in a little dreamworld. But a very rude awakening is in the process of occurring. I'm in favor of a proper disclosure - but obviously, the whole thing will be a big mess. Perhaps in a hundred years, things will start to calm down and make sense. I'm not expecting things to dramatically improve, anytime soon - even if people really start to do the right thing. The madness has too much momentum. What if all of us are ET's - spiritually and soul-wise? What if all of our souls are basically the same - whether we be humans, hybrids, reptilians, greys - or whatever humanoid beings there might be - throughout the universe? What if all of us are hybrids - with various percentage differentials of human/reptile or human/whatever? What if 'star-wars' are really 'soul-wars' - using various types of hybrid super-soldiers and advanced technology? What if we are the Orion-Group which Alex Collier speaks of? What if the 600,000 year human vs reptilian war was really an ideological battle - utilizing various types of hybrids and advanced technology? Once again - why can't this solar system become a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System aka The United States of the Solar System - based upon Responsibility and the U.S. Constitution - with 10,000 highly competent and non corrupt representatives from throughout the solar system - with complete openness and transparency? Some of the biggest questions for me are 1. What is the true origin, nature, and destiny of the soul? 2. What was the Original Sin? 3. What is the solution to the Sin Problem? 4. Whatever Happened to Sin? 5. What would Karl Menninger say? Once again - I really don't know what's really going on in this world, this solar system, this galaxy, or this universe. If I did - my questions and conclusions might be completely different. I can't see properly. I can't think properly. I'm miserable, sick, and tired - and I sense that the problems are worse than even I can imagine - and that proper solutions will not be implemented anytime soon. But why be so negative? It's Thanksgiving!! Very Happy

    Has anyone done a study of 'The King of Heaven (Father/Gabriel/ Amen Ra?) and Queen of Heaven (Mother/ Hathor/Isis/Mary/Lucifer/ Holy Spirit?) - and the Heir to the Throne (Horus/Michael/Jesus?)' concept? I just thought of that! This could be applied in so many situations - terrestrial, extraterrestrial, mythological, theological, astrological, dynastic, etc. - with a high likelihood of overlap. I reread those abraxasinas posts - and I still think of abraxasinas - or the spirit behind abraxasinas - as being more feminine than masculine. I keep thinking of Adria or Katesh in Stargate SG-1. This part caught my attention:

    Q: Who is the God or Goddess of This World?

    A: The Father and Mother, cosmically not biologically speaking of Jesus.

    Q: Has corruption and sanity been a problem for this being?

    A: Nope.

    Q: Are Satan and Lucifer two separate and distinct beings?

    A: Yes, Satan is the true manifestation of a fake image, called the Devil. Satan is the 'court prosecutor' of 'humanity' and Lucifer is the template for this collective humanity being prosecuted by Satan. Satan is the 'Kali' of Shakti as two sides of the one coin called God. Satan is God and you are Lucifer in individuality. You can either 'play' a Christ White Lucifer look LUCIFER=74=JESUS=MESSIAH=CROSS=...or you can play a Dark Lucifer as an absorber of the 'brought' light.

    Q: Is there...or has there ever been...a God who was higher than Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer?

    A: Yes, this is the 1st Order of Abraxas aka Abrasax as the polarity unexpressed BUT contained within, like the Dark White Lucifers as One or as Satan God as One.

    Q: If so...was this God destroyed in the War in Heaven?

    A: No, this 1st Order is omniness and above such polarity issues as a war in heaven on earth or otherplace.

    Q: Is Satan one of these three?

    A: Satan is 1st Order, the archangels are 2nd order.

    Q: If so...which one? Did Lucifer instruct Charles Darwin?

    A: Ask Charles Darwin.

    Q: Would Human sovereignty in this Solar System be a good thing?

    A: Not yet, later perhaps.

    Q: Is a theocracy a good or a bad thing?

    A: Your polarity issue.

    Q: Is Responsible Freedom fundamentally rebellious in nature?

    A: No

    I'm beginning to think that I'm in trouble with BOTH the God of This World AND the Creator God of the Universe. Sort of like when a police officer tries to break up a domestic dispute - and gets pounded by both parties - even though he or she is trying to help both parties. I have a very bad and sick feeling regarding what might be going on in the entire universe. I so hope that I'm wrong. Is the following a harbinger of things to come?

    I received the following responses from posts I have made on the internet. They don't sound human.

    'Y'all love fantisizing over my ancestral decorations, places, spirituality that you don't get, the greatness you won't achieve, and the melanin you'll never have. This depiction of my ancestors is pathetic. Y'all always make them look just as degenerative and recessive as you. Anyway, play and have fun as much as you still can. Yes you are running out of time, and to be honest, there is absolutly nothing you can do about it. I have no mercy, you lie and mock and blaspheme all the way to hell.'

    abraxasinas: Very human egocentricity orthodoxus.

    On another website...I received this message:

    'You know this isn't funny! The Lord God will judge you for claiming God ship. Just because God showed you a little bit of His secrets you think you know everything. He will NOT have mercy on you!' [orthodoxymoron note: This was in connection with me fictionally using the name KRLLL - causing me to wonder if someone equated Godship with the name 'Omnipotent Highness KRLLL'?]

    abraxasinas: Very human ego mimicking the divine ego of God (who does not judge and is always full of 'mercy').

    I once heard a mocking, sing-song, high-pitched feminine sounding voice...emanating from a usually deep and masculine voiced televangelist...directed toward me...in public...almost shouting 'That was gooooooood!!!!'...in reaction to a polite, well intentioned, and well reasoned comment by me.

    abraxasinas: Even more so human ego-based, accentuating separation and not the natural unity of God.

    This was a short unedited internet exchange I had some time ago:

    ME: What if the aliens who have been here for thousands of years are the 'bad-guys'? What if we will need the help of good aliens from elsewhere to get rid of the demonic aliens who are already here? Could this be viewed as a hostile alien attack? I really don't know. I am just speculating.

    THEM: Try not to think in terms of good or bad. Understand this is not your planet. Then, understand nothing can be done to you that you don't do to yourself. Know that there are quadrillions of planets and they don't have a massive climate change every 26,000 years and violent deranged people like yourselves. Why on Earth would any race want to live here with you knowingly? The most intelligent life on the planet is not human.

    abraxasinas: This is basically true, but omits the 'inner human core' whch IS in fact the most intelligent cosmic lifeform (the planet belongs to All) - yet remains hidden in the superconsciousness ONLY accessible by the Individual Logos partnering the Cosmic Logos.

    ME: I'll try not to think of the Iraq War in terms of good or bad. I'll try to be morally ambiguous. I might even become CIA or a CEO. Hey, maybe violent and deranged is neither good nor bad...but thinking makes it so. The aliens who are here need us to not get our acts together. If that happens...they'll probably have to live on Nibiru...or worse. Sorry for being a smart-XXX. Wait...I'm not sorry...it's neither good nor bad. I couldn't resist. I mean well. Really.

    THEM: And your point was?...............

    ME: Who owns earth? Where do humans belong? What is the most intelligent life on earth? If they are so smart, and earth is so bad...why are they here? I may be deranged...but I'm not violent. You sound as though you are not human...are you an alien? If so...what kind...and from where? My point was that ethics are supremely important. I don't hurt, kill, terrorize, or abduct people...but some aliens apparently do(as do some humans). They should stop.

    orthodoxymoron wrote:

    "I was serious when I said that I hoped that this activity was being duly noted somewhere in the galaxy. I fear that we are headed down the wrong road, and that we will not turn back, regardless of the warnings, and regardless of the rantings and ravings of lunatics such as myself. I really wish that I had a shallow underground civilian base to go down into. At this point - I am ready to go down - and stay down - for a long, long time."

    Raven wrote:

    "Indeed Oxy, duly noted it is. You will not be alone hiding under those rocks." - Rev.6 KJV

    [12] And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
    [13] And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
    [14] And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
    [15] And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
    [16] And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
    [17] For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?


    I REALLY CAN'T FEEL THE LOVE TONIGHT. CAN YOU?

    What if The United States of the Solar System became a reality on December 21, 2012? What would we do with the nukes, neutron bombs, chemical and biological weapons, secret space program, underground bases, magneto-leviton trains, secret genetics labs, hybrid super-soldiers, antigravity craft, secret weapons of all kinds, etc? It would be so much easier if none of this cr@p existed. Some of this is really cool - and some of it is horrific - if the various reports can be believed. Obviously - if the universe is a harsh and dangerous place - we would need to defend ourselves - but how would we prevent rogues from becomming raiders of the found ark? I'm not into nationalism or uber-alles. Just the opposite. I'm tending to think that all of the above is presently controlled by the secret government - rather than by the various nations. So - the short answer - at this point - is that the infrastructure should remain intact - but that the 10,000 representatives would make the decisions regarding what to do with all of this madness. Obviously - this is not my area of expertise. I don't have an area of expertise. My preference is that none of the dangerous and creepy bs should exist. Period. But I don't know the truth of the matter - and I still don't know the implications and ramifications of stealing fire from the gods. BTW, Raven, I don't hate you - and even if you make 1,000 posts swearing at me, and exposing what an irresponsible, self-inflated, ignoramus I really am - I still won't hate you. You could never hate me as much as I already hate myself and my non-existant track-record. I'll just keep brainstorming and being a smart@$$ (dumb@$$?) until the day I die (which might not be too far distant if I keep up this sort of posting). Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System Without End. Amen Ra. This is not an invocation - but I suspect that Amen Ra (or equivalent) would have to sign-off on something like this, before it (or something similar) could become a reality. Once again - this whole thread is a test. This is only a test. I just want the historical corruption and carnage to stop - and for this solar system to genuinely become a Paradise or Heaven. The details will have to be worked out by those who are far more capable than myself. I'm just trying to understand and adapt. Perhaps someone else can learn something from my stumblings and stammerings. Is respecting the divinity within humanity a bad thing? Is a proper constitution a bad thing? Is irresponsibility better than responsibility? Is slavery better than freedom? I really do want the truth - even if I don't like what I find. Namaste.

    If I ever am face to face with the Queen of Heaven - I expect that I will feel about half an inch high - and that my multitude of inadequacies will become painfully obvious. I would really like to get into a genuine knock-down drag-out word-war with the Queen of Heaven - but only on the computer. In real-life - face to face - I would absolutely melt into nothingness and incoherence. I have not really gotten into a proper debate with anyone in my life. I have to do that sort of thing in my imagination. Who knows, Raven could be the Queen of Heaven, or at least a good sparring-partner, to help me prepare for the main-event! Has anyone really deeply thought about what a real-life 'Anna' might be like? Has anyone deeply thought about how to properly communicate with a real-life Anna? I'm working on it - but it's not going very well.

    There almost needs to be a debating site - with various levels of acceptable material - various levels of moderating - and various audiences. One never knows who is wandering in and out of this site - and how sensitive they might be. I would even be game for working with various beings in underground bases - who might be very abusive and angry. I still wish to be inclusive regarding the evolution of this solar system - and incarceration and education might be necessary for literally millions of beings - human and otherwise - for the protection of themselves and others. But I am not a damn them to hell type of person. Not yet, anyway.

    As long as this is a non-violent and all-inclusive evolution - I am ok with it. I just have huge problems with crusades, inquisitions, purges, wars, torture, enslavement, etc. If some souls have to go to jail/school from time to time - so be it - as long as they are treated with kindness, dignity, and respect. I continue to be mystified by the whole subject of 'sacred people'. I continue to wonder about the subject of Responsibility - historically and presently - and I especially wonder which sacred people and sacred texts have properly promoted Responsibility. I continue to be interested in the Goddess Concept - in both positive and negative ways. Could a Goddess potentially be genius/pure/idealistic/kind and insane/corrupt/reprobate/cruel at the same time? Sort of a Dr. Jekyll and Ms. Hyde? Once again - consider Anna in 'V' - and then do some extrapolation and filling in the blanks. When one contemplates the stratosphere of leadership - things might become very strange. If someone had been ruling Earth for thousands of years - knew everything about everything - had complete reincarnational recall - a 500 IQ - the equivalent of 100 PhD's - had been involved in unthinkable battles, atrocities, and power struggles, etc, etc, etc - what might they be like?

    I continue to be primarily interested in who really owns and operates this solar system. Who are the major players - and what are their agendas? I keep thinking that an agressive pursuit of a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System aka The United States of the Solar System - will reveal a lot of hidden secrets - some good and some bad. I don't think that Raven is the only one who is really angry at my pseudo-intellectual whining. I'm a shelluva guy - and those who follow are going to be the real contenders - not me. The various threads are just vague outlines and areas to ransack. I am committed to the perfection of the human race and the perfection of this solar system - which includes endless reincarnation back into physicality - in this solar system. I will continue to be interested in the positive and non-violent uses of underground bases and advanced technology - for all races. I am not an uber-alles nationalist elitist. I desire the highest ethical standards - in the context of minimalist politics and religion. Here is a modification of a previously stated pursuit. Try reading 'The Desire of Ages' and 'The Great Controversy' by Ellen G. White - 'The Federalist Papers' and 'The Anti-Federalist Papers' - while listening to Latin Masses and Classical Sacred Music. There is probably a snowballs chance in hell that anyone will actually do this - but I will be doing this in the coming months. I really am on a road less travelled - or really a road not travelled at all. I'm very pessimistic, at this point. I'm sensing a violent near-future. I don't think it has to be this way - but I think that the most powerful players in the solar sytem are not on the same page I am on. I don't think they are even in the same book. But I expect that the basic concepts which I have embraced, will rise from the ashes of a disastrous power struggle for control of the New World Order - and that they will be the new modus operandi of a brave new solar system.

    I guess I like the idea of highly ethical order and refinement, both within and without. I simply wish for this solar system to operate properly and responsibly. I wish for all races to share in this. I suspect that both internal and external responsibility will be necessary. Ideally, everyone just loves each other and sings kumbaya - but realistically, there will probably always be problem children, and some sort of organization and discipline will always be necessary. At some point, will all weaponry be eliminated? Perhaps. But what if a hostile UFO fleet shows up after we have eliminated all weaponry, and are completely docile and defenseless? The Native American Indians were very spiritually advanced - but then the Europeans decimated them, and stole what was rightfully theirs. North America should have probably been shared with all people - but not forcefully taken over like it was. I'll continue to look for a highly ethical and highly spiritual minimalist church/state solution to solar system governance. Organized decentralism continues to sound good to me. Do we need a non-racist and non-violent Gizeh Intelligence solution? I don't know enough about Gizeh Intelligence to answer that. Everything is always such a big #$%^& secret. I like the idea of highly, highly intelligent, refined, and ethical people - governing the solar system. I like the idea of 10,000 people of all nations and races doing this. But would this result in more confusion and fighting? If the group is too small and exclusive, it's no good. If the group is too big and inclusive, it's probably no good either. So what is the proper mix? How do you really properly manage all manner of advanced technology? How do you prevent rogues from creating chaos and destruction? How do you prevent one group or faction from taking over? Will this solar system always be a violent and stupid insane asylum? Is this solar system the epitome of stupidity? In a sense - a benevolent dictator probably is the most efficient and effective form of governance - but what happens when the benevolent dictator becomes an arrogant and insane tyrant????
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:43 pm

    I have come to the conclusion that I am finished -- and that I will be very harshly punished for attempting to make things better for everyone -- everywhere. The creation of Male and Female Human Physicality was probably heresy and rebellion in this universe. Freedom (even Responsible Freedom) is probably heresy and rebellion in this universe. I have never felt more helpless and desperate than I feel presently. Ethics seem to be of no consequence in this universe. Absolute Obedience seems to be EVERYTHING in this universe. I hope everyone is happy with what's coming -- and I hope someone remembers me -- because I don't think I'll be part of what's coming -- whether I wish to be, or not. I think my fate is sealed -- and that it's not a good one. But none of you seem to give a damn about any of this.

    I have observed (even in myself) that the Creation v Evolution debate is often Closed-Minded Pseudo-Intellectual Trench-Warfare -- rather than being Eclectic, Open-Minded, and Multi-Disciplinary. What if Darwin's Theory mostly applies to that which preceded the Human Being? What if most everything evolved over billions of years -- and that a product of this ancient evolutionary process (some form of humanoid) created the Human Being -- and that this creation (or genetic engineering) might've been an Illegal Innovation? Think about it.

    Imagine a Pre-Human Reptilian-Theocracy led by a Reptilian-Queen who expected Absolute-Obedience. This Hypothetical-Queen might've been the Benchmark of Everything. The 'Law of God' might've been every word that proceedeth out of the 'Mouth of God'. There might've been no Written 'Word of God'. There might've been no Constitution and Bill of Rights. There might've been no Governmental Body of any sort. Everything might've revolved around this Hypothetical Reptilian-Queen. Perhaps this state of affairs existed for millions, or even billions, of years. But what if an ambitious and clever underling decided to create the Human-Race and Responsible-Freedom -- clearly in defiance of the Reigning Queen? That would mean war, wouldn't it? War in Heaven, perhaps? What if the Humans eventually lost the war? What if the Humans have been punished, tortured, enslaved, taxed, lied-to, etc, etc, etc -- for tens of thousands of years -- by the Hypothetical Reptilian Empire -- to send a clear message to the entire universe -- to never, ever attempt anything similar to the Human-Rebellion? Is Humanity on the Verge of Extermination? Will Humanity revert to a Reptilian Theocracy? Status Quo Ante Bellum? Think about it.

    Some of you need to think very, very deeply about an Ancient One-Race, One-Religion, One-Government, One-God Theocratic Universe -- AND the Advent of Someone With a 'Better Idea' -- who Created a New-Race, New-Religion, New-Government, Poly-Theistic Solar System -- and the Reaction of the Galactic Powers That Be. I'm very, very, very , very serious about this. The problems connected with all of this are UNIMAGINABLE -- from the Innovation and the Status-Quo points of view. I will elaborate later -- but I am so upset, I can hardly type. Once again, are we about to experience 'Status Quo Ante Bellum'? Think about it.

    You just keep ignoring me, and writing me off -- AT YOUR OWN PERIL. Some of you are guilty of GROSS NEGLIGENCE. YOU KNOW BETTER -- YET YOU DO NOTHING AND SAY NOTHING.

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    The Sovereign Reptilian Queen of the Air aka Lilith
    in a Tibetan Underground Base with Her New Creation.
    Just Wait Until Enlil Finds Out About This!!!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVQ73mMltT4&feature=related
    Mercuriel wrote:
    Lets go even further...

    INRI = Inanna - Nimrod - Marduk Ra or just Ra at that time - And Isis...

    Moses with Horns

    > Horns signifying both Genetic Lineage to the Anuks and "Right to Rule" as the gODS had 'em in abundance due to Them being Master Geneticists...

    For instance - Enlil was known as the Bull and Marduk was known as the Ram...

    Da Vinci was trying to tell Us something here and most have missed It.

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    Interesting eh ?

    And nope - You're not finished just yet anyways. Almost - But not yet...


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    Post  orthodoxymoron Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:54 pm

    orthodoxymoron wrote:Someone once asked "Maybe somewhere in the Solar system they have a better constitution. Why not ask first?"

    Is anyone aware of a better constitution which has been in use for at least a couple of centuries? Can you provide a link? I highly suspect that alien races monitor this site...and possibly comment. I'm not trying to be arrogant. This is completely new territory to me. I'm simply exploring a distant and mythical land. Everything seems to be changing...and up for grabs. I'm sort of a rebel without a clue.

    I welcome all alternative constitutions which have a significant history, and widespread application...so as to be able to evaluate the effectiveness of the document in real world and real universe conditions. This invitation also applies to alternatives to the United Nations Charter...which the slightly modified United States Constitution is intended to replace.

    I'm simply trying to think in non-nationalistic, non-protectionistic, all-inclusive terms. Do we want a New World Order and Secret(or Open) Alien Rule of Earth? Some say this constitutes a Theocracy. Is this what we want? Can a Theocracy be anything but Tyrannical? Can a Tyranny be anything but Corrupt? Are there exceptions to the concept that Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely? My guess is that a Constitutional Alternative to a Universal Church would have to apply to the entire solar system...at least. I guess this would be an attempt to get the Secret Space Program and Deep Underground Military Bases (throughout the solar system?) under control...and to attempt to prevent a solar system wide Battle of Armageddon...which could potentially destroy most...if not all...life in the solar system. There seems to be evidence of very ancient and very catastophic battles in this solar system. I suspect some very bitter feelings and very bad blood among the various races...going back a long, long time. If true...this may be very difficult to overcome.

    This is all obviously hypothetical...and without insider information and/or governmental disclosure...would be impossible to prove. I'm just considering possibilities...and I recongnize the limitations of doing so.

    If we don't learn from history...we are doomed. I prefer a proven foundation...rather than an unproven foundation. The United States of America and the U.S. Constitution...were an attempt to escape the tyranny and persecution of Royalty and Theocracy. The object was to give the power to the people. Starting from scratch...at this point...would probably result in anarchy...which would probably result in tyranny. If malevolent human and alien tyrants were removed...and constitutional governance instituted...the corrupted and fearful followers would probably become good beings in a free society.

    I'm not sure that the Powers That Be in Orion and Draco (and elsewhere or elsewhen?) see it this way...but they would probably have to reluctantly, grudgingly, and possibly angrily...agree to such an arrangement...or it would be a non-starter. I don't think that these beings are necessarily evil...but I think that they have a huge amount of negative baggage. We might have to make this thing work...and in a few thousand(or million) years...they may decide to come on board as well. Just conjecture.

    Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom liberates the divine within the human (and within the reptilian and grey?) to reach unimaginable heights. The U.S. Constitution is a NOW document. Decisions regarding current issues are based on the best available information and thinking...NOW. The Power of NOW. A Theocracy does just the opposite. Especially a corrupt Theocracy. And by my definition, at least...a Theocracy is Always Corrupt. What do you think...Lucifer? Are you the kingpin...or are you caught in the middle? What's it going to take to make this work? I want your advice...but not your orders. And I won't bow down and worship you!

    This whole thread is just an experiment. It's as much about modifying my thinking...as it is about attempting to modify anyone elses. I especially liked the following suggestion:

    'Owing to the increased longevity of Beings in the United Worlds, Representatives should serve a One-time term of 10-years, and Senators should serve a One-time term of 20-years. By this, we also remove the costly and discordant "re-election campaigns." Those so elected may be subject to re-call by the Electorate for non-performance or malfeasants. All elections shall be by DIRECT VOTE of the Electorate by simple majority with no intervening Electoral college or similar.'

    If each region was internally under a local version of the solar system constitution...a continuity from local to solar system governance would be more seamless. The military and militia references in the Constitution...as is...would seem to take care of the military matter. To me...modifications are welcome...but pretty soon you can end up with a document which bears little resemblance to the original...is vastly inferior...and which no one can agree on. Then we're back in Tyranny Territory.

    If the electorate were electronically connected to the elected...and communicated constantly on all issues...the will of well informed and responsible beings...would more likely be instituted. Elections would be relatively cheap...if limited to internet campaigning and debating. One 10 year term for all offices sounds good to me. But again...I'd prefer to leave the original Constitution in as much of it's original form as possible. The original terms would probably work fine...and would provide for a more constant rotation of power. It seems that a good being becomes a bad being very quickly when they gain a little power and recognition. They are at their best when they first decide to seek office. It's all downhill from there...

    How about 5 year terms for the Reps...and 10 year terms for the Greys? :lol3: Now the Reps are going to eat me. Please don't eat us. I hear that they have some really good Organic VeggieHuman at the Whole Foods in the Deep Underground Military Base Commissaries. We need to really have a serious conversation regarding abductions, human sacrifices, eating humans, etc. I hope that most of this is BS...but I'm afraid that it may be much worse than we have been told.

    Is the division of territories into States rather than Worlds (or even Countries) significant? I think it is. Numerous States provide for a systematic and orderly decentalization. There might be a thousand States throughout the Solar System. If each of these States had independent militias/armies/uforces...it would be very difficult to impose Tyranny. If a significant outside threat arose...these independent forces would undoubtedly unite to oppose the outside threat. An outer perimeter uforce would be financed by the United States of the Solar System...and would defend against any external invasion of the Solar System...but would not be used to crack down on member States.

    I'm going to attempt to stay as close as possible to the proposal in the first post. It may turn out to be a losing battle...but I'm going to give it a bloody go. Don't take it personally when I do this. I'm appreciative of all suggestions and observations. I guess I'm trying to be a Minimalist Fundamentalist.

    One person said "Great Idea, but there is probably already something like that for the whole galaxy."

    What if the whole universe is generally $crewed up? I used to think just the opposite...but now I don't know. I used to think that it was just us stupid humans on this miserable planet who were the ugly mole on the face of a beautiful and perfect universe...and that if you listened to the preacher and did what he told you to do...Jesus would come and save us...and the unbelieving masses would be destroyed by a 'loving' God...while us 'good' people flew off to live forever in Heaven. I don't think like this anymore. Hence...orthodoxymoron. I'm leaning toward a Star Wars scenario...where Humans and Reptilians are battling with each other to see who gets to be God and Master of the Universe. I'm quite confused about the Greys...as to whether they are Reptilian, Manufactured, or a separate race which is caught in between the Reps and Humans. In any case...it seems reasonable to conduct business properly in this part of the galaxy. Accomodating all races in a reasonable manner seems reasonable to me. But perhaps the other races are much more dangerous than I can imagine. I really don't know. Obama, the Pope, the Jesuits, the CIA, the NSA, etc...always forget to brief me!

    Meanwhile...I am toying with the idea of basing this civilization on the best form of government this world has seen in a long, long time. Including the entire solar system may be a mistake...but it's an idea which appeals to me presently...and so I'm going to run with it...until a Jesuit trips me...and I go flying. And I don't doubt that they are very capable of doing just that. Actually, I'm easy. I'm just sick of the murder and mayhem which has plagued this planet...going way, way back. I want the BS to stop. NOW.

    Another person said "I agree that the American Constitution has some great ideals and principles. The US seems to be the only country that formally recognizes that a citizen has absolute individual rights. That’s fantastic – even “cosmic”. But one big question is, how does that Constitution get so routinely abused and ignored and subverted in practice? (And indeed, all my own astral travelling and RVing suggests that that kind of subversion is unheard of on any other civilised planet -- with the exception of future versions of our planet, such as the P47s presumably are.) American readers probably have greater trouble viewing the American “matrix” objectively than do people from another country. (Sorry about that.) Obviously to most non-Americans, the American “matrix” has been manipulated so as to create a violent society. I know that Chomsky devoted half of one of his books to arguing and even proving that violence has always been one of the core central features of US society, from the beginning. It’s no coincidence that the crime rate in America is at least 12 times greater than in Western Europe. And that figure goes up to 16 or more times greater when it comes to crimes like murder. So another question is, how does one help people who live within such a violent “matrix” to detach from it, both individually and even as a society?"

    Christianity has ignored the Teachings of Jesus. America has often ignored it's Constitution. The United States is supposedly a Christian Nation. One Nation Under God. Think about these previous five sentences. What's wrong with this picture? The United States of America and it's Constitution are in the crosshairs...and slated for a controlled demolition. The United States and it's Constitution are at war with a powerful force which goes way back into ancient Babylon, Egypt, and Rome. Lucifer knows exactly what I am talking about...don't you Lucifer?

    Another commented "No offense, but I don't think that humanity needs a piece of paper or papers to co-exist in a new paradigm. We've seen what weight the Constitution holds in modern times (read: zero) and in order for a new document (or any document) to have meaning, it must be held to the highest regard by all and it must be respected or else, it is just a piece of paper."

    So...who has the ultimate authority in this world and solar system? Take a look at this discussion. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=9368&highlight=orthodoxymoron&page=8 Minimalist paperwork which gives a legal foundation for minimalist government...prevents a theocracy, monarchy, or any other type of dictatorship from gaining a stronghold...and eventually taking over. Do you want to be more of a slave than you already are? Think about it.

    In a Constitution for the Solar System...should the term 'Physical Being' be used instead of simply 'Being'? What if aliens are demonic spirits manifesting as Reptilians and Greys? Or...if a person went out of their body...would they have TWO votes? If they were demonically possessed...would they have 20 votes? I'm leaning toward the idea that there are physical Reptilians, Greys, and Humans...who have souls which can exit their physical bodies. And further...that there are good and evil factions of Reptilians, Greys, and Humans. The question is...how do you create a dominance of good over evil...and an equilibrium of races...so that tyranny, enslavement, and extermination does not occur?

    I'm considering this thread to be a mental exercise...as much as anything. You may find the following paragraph to be quite bizarre...but I am trying to illustrate a topic which doesn't get discussed very often or very well. I doubt that Lucifer will read this thread...but one never knows. Check out the following link for a rather bizarre look at how Lucifer could possibly relate to God, Jesus, Aliens, The New World Order, The Kingdom of God, etc. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15014&highlight=orthodoxymoron I'm thinking that these two threads are extremely important. I'm probably getting it wrong...but I think that I am hot on the trail of something big. You may be the one to get it right...and really figure this thing out. Please consider both threads very, very carefully...read between the lines...and use your imagination. Good luck!

    Lucifer...you are the God of This World...right? Are you the God of This Solar System? Who has the ultimate authority over Earth? Who has the ultimate authority over the Solar System? Lucifer...what document would you turn all of your authority and power over to...which would be the epitome of Constitutional Responsible Freedom...and which would guarantee Responsible Freedom to all beings throughout the entire Solar System? Do the Teachings of Jesus have something to do with this question? Does the Constitution of the United States of America have something to do with this question? These are not moot points. They may be the most important points of all. Gaining our freedom is really a legal issue. This is all about law. Lucifer...please produce the document which...if agreed to...would secure the Responsible Freedom of Earth and possibly the Solar System...and allow you to retire from your post as The God of This World...and possibly as The God of This Solar System. Would the document in the first post of this thread accomplish this goal? I believe that you have stated 'If I can't have them...nobody can.' Fair enough. If the document in the first post of this thread was enacted...nobody would have them. We would have ourselves. Nobody would replace you. There would be no gods before us. We would rule ourselves with Constitutional Responsible Freedom. This is the end of the road...Lucifer. Let We the Beings of This Solar System go. The universe is watching. By the way...Lucifer...are you fond of asking 'Your point?'...or 'The point?'...and saying 'Wait awhile'? Just thought I'd ask.

    I'm beginning to think that we really deserve the New World Order. We really can't handle the freedom which a particular piece of paper guarantees. If this thread is a waste of time...there is no one forcing anyone to waste their time commenting on it.

    I guess I'm trying to create a new way of thinking for myself...and possibly for others...if there is merit in doing so. I have minimally changed the wording of the Constitution to make it come alive in the space-age. Honestly...I'm toying with making it a sort of minimalist religion...which really isn't a religion. There is no god at the head of this religion...only the divinity which exists within all beings. The consitutional process is supremely important...and there are no rules and regulations regarding how to live...and no promises of heaven...or threats of hell and damnation. I'm trying to get rid of nationalism and protectionism...and to out-do globalism...by applying the Constitution to the Solar System.

    Would benevolent beings throughout the Solar System have a problem with this? Would malevolent beings throughout the Solar System have a problem with this? If God exists behind the shadows of the universe...would there be a Divine objection to this approach? I dream of seeing something like this instituted...and having God show up one day...saying 'What took you so long? This is what I had in mind from the beginning...but you had to do it.' I see intelligent design...and I also see evolution. What I do not see...is an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-loving, and all-present God...running this Solar System. I'm seeing God Wannabes...playing god...in a malevolent and dictatorial manner.

    The goal is the mutually beneficial interaction and method of decision-making for the benevolent beings of this Solar System. The door would always be open to malevolent beings...should they decide to play nice and to play fair. I don't care what non-human beings look like...or what our history with them has been. I simply want this Solar System to be properly run...in a non-corrupt and non-dictatorial manner...with no atrocities, enslavement, extermination, exploitation, etc, etc. I'm not expecting God...or anyone else...to do this for us. We need to be big boys and girls...and live as responsible citizens...in an interplanetary sense.

    What if I should focus exclusively on the human race...because there is so much confusion, deception, and disinformation regarding other races? What if...in this internet age...representatives are not necessary or desired? What if legislation was drafted by the people directly...and then debated on the internet for 1 year before voting on it? What if there was a yearly test...on current events and laws...which would qualify a person to be a knowledgeable and responsible voter? Instead of running for office...one would study for a test. Passing this test would qualify a person to be a voter. Should the United States of the Solar System simply consist of reasonable groupings of human beings throughout the Solar System?

    My mind is not made up. I'm simply trying to learn. My mind is becoming more and more confident regarding the concept of responsible freedom...but I am not absolutely sure how this should best be implemented. Instead of a national view, or a world view...I really like the idea of a Solar System View. Do you see where I am going with this thread? It's a different way of looking at things.

    Now I'm going to take a break...so I won't be commenting for awhile. Hopefully you folks can figure this out. Good luck!

    I'm trying to take a break...but I just had to change the wording of the Constitution for the United States of the Solar System...to include only Human Beings. This is not anti-alien. It is a safeguard. Malevolent Alien Beings are a major problem and threat. We the People of the United States of the Solar System need to get our house in order...and then interact with all Alien Nations in an open yet cautious manner.

    I'm liking the document in the first post more and more...with the wording slightly modified to be inclusive of male and female...and to include regions throughout the Solar System which are occupied by Human Beings. Obviously...without inside information...I can't know who is where (and why)...throughout the Solar System. I'm really flying blind. I'm just trying to change my paradigm.

    Questions of who really owns and controls Earth, the Moon, and the rest of the Solar System need to be asked in a very forceful and compelling manner. Can those who are here (Human and Alien)...lose their lease...and be 86'd from the Solar System? The answer to this question could make the subject of ownership and control very complex and interesting. Get ready for a very rough ride. Fasten your seatbelts.

    I'd love to hear Michael Salla's views on this thread. I intend to research his views and the exopolitics subject. I hope all of you who read this...do some research on your own (that is key)...and share the results of your investigations. I don't mind being completely wrong. I just want truth and justice to emerge from the confusion.

    Any comments? Isn't governance the most important issue to consider? Is the Solar System really a unit...rather than a collection of separate and unrelated parts? Why not make this Solar System a haven and refuge for benevolent beings? Would benevolent beings be tough enough to defend the Solar System against invasions by malevolent beings? Could this be what the Secret Space Program and Deep Underground Military Bases are all about? Are turncoat reptilians and greys assisting humans in a quest to gain responsible freedom? I don't know. What do you think?

    If Alien Nations were to be included in The United States of the Solar System...they would have to be benevolent...wouldn't they? How would we conclusively determine if they were truly benevolent? A Trojan Horse situation would be very grave indeed. The current language of the Constitution of the United States of the Solar System is exclusively human...as a precaution against the unknown nature of the Alien Nations.

    Tell me what you think about having non-human beings participating in a constitutional representative republic.

    Do we need a Solar System View rather than a World View? In 3rd or 4th grade...I drew the Solar System over and over again...day after day. Why? Also...why does this thread generate no interest? It would seem to be a polarizing or even inflammatory subject...especially in light of the cr@p the U.S. has been involved in over the last few decades. The rest of the world is not amused. I am, however, promoting the Constitution...and not the U.S.

    Could someone please tell me who really owns and controls the Solar System? Is there a Solar System Constitution which presently exists (other than the one in the first post)? Are these important questions? Why? Why not?

    Are any moons or planets for sale? How much would Neptune pay for Uranus? This thread is about all aspects of the Solar System...but always with the governmental aspects clearly in mind. I call this Comprehensive Concentration. Which planets and moons have bases on them? Most of them? Do the inhabitants comment on Avalon? Hmmmm.

    I am assuming nothing. I would hope that Responsible Freedom is not a new, feared, or forbidden concept in a supposedly highly advanced universe. This exercise is not an attempt to lay down the law. It is an attempt to turn on the light. Let there be light. Will we see that things are good throughout the solar system...or will we be appalled? I desire the end of tyranny and secrecy. I desire simple non-theocratic godliness. Jesus said that the truth would set us free. What was he referring to? Could it be Responsibility in the light of full disclosure?

    Are humans really the new kids? Or...Are humans the abused kids? Is freedom a bad word in the universe? Is theocracy a good word in the universe? Is asking questions about the ownership and control of the solar system a bad thing? If Nazi's and Greys control the Moon...should we be OK with that? Did the galactic PTB not warn them off? Why was a legitimate U.S. space effort warned off? Does this say something about who presently runs the solar system? If Lucifer is the God of This World...should we be OK with that? Perhaps this exercise on this thread will result in an unexpected disclosure. Perhaps the benevolent beings throughout the universe have been waiting for us to engage in just such an exercise. Is thinking beyond Earth an exercise in futility?

    So many questions. So little time...until December 21, 2012. Which world order will emerge? Will the solar system be a part of this world order? Conduit closing.

    If advanced beings have moved beyond the primitive and obsolete concept of ownership...then they shouldn't mind if Earth humans own the solar system...should they? I'm half-joking...and half-serious. Recent Earth history is historical fiction...with emphasis on fiction...seemingly for the purpose of keeping us controlled, fearful, and stupid. The truth might have been a better approach.

    A responsible general public will guarantee the success of this concept. Every man, women, and child will be a member of the New Illuminati. The peons must move up...and the elites must move down. At some point...the two parties will meet...and will hopefully party together. Obviously...this process will involve much weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth. Namaste will be the word of the day. The divinity within all of humanity will make this work. The quoted text mostly sounds very good (with just a quick read through). What is the source? A silver standard is supposed to be superior to a gold standard...because gold is too scarce. How about a yttrium standard? Just kidding! Continuity of the best things in this world should be very carefully guarded. The worst things in this world should be very carefully discarded. It just seems logical to utilize the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights...in the context of the United Nations...and apply it to the entire Solar System. This would replace the Demonic Theocracy which seems to have Malevolent ET's at the Top of the Pyramid. I can't prove this...but it sure seems like that is the case. I'm open to alternatives...but I'm going to continue to test the proposal in the first post of this thread...at least until December 21, 2012.

    I just added a couple of videos...and the 'Declaration of Human Sovereignty' from www.humansovereignty.org. Please take a look...and tell me what you think...pro or con. Do not be alarmed. Go back to your homes (or your DUMB's). This is a test. This is only a test. Benevolents of all races should not fear. Malevolents of all races had better start packing their bags. Get ready for a Solar System Exorcism. The ectoplasm is going to be flowing in the streets. www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyRqR56aCKc&feature=relatedYouTube - Ghostbusters (Trailer 1984)

    Consider the following thread in the context of this thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=10158 Will Presidential Disclosure only occur AFTER most of us have been exterminated and enslaved...when there is no longer any possibility of us gaining permanent human sovereignty and responsible freedom? This is probably the right time to discuss this. We may not be able to in the near future. It may be later than we think. Conduit Closing.

    Even if you don't agree with the proposal in the first post of this thread...it might be helpful to think through how you would run the Solar System. Would you desire a constitution? If so...what constitution do you prefer? Would you want to be a dictator? How should the Solar System be governed? Should an alien nation rule over us...and be our gods? What is your verdict?

    What do you think about this thread in light of Muammar Gaddafi's U.N. speech? www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvOo5LK22sgYouTube - Muammar Gaddafi Speech To United Nations Sept 23, 2009 pt.1

    Is the first post of this thread unreasonable? If so...why so? Is everyone OK with the New World Order? If so...why so? Is the New World Order the New Paradigm? Is it really new? How this Solar System is governed is supremely important. Does anyone care? Can we learn to be happy slaves? Maybe it won't be so bad. :original::lightsabre:

    I saw a bumpersticker that I liked. It read 'I DON'T WANT A SOLUTION! I JUST WANT TO COMPLAIN!'

    Why is the first post not a partial solution...at least? Should non-humans rule humans? Should humans rule non-humans? Should humans rule humans...and non-humans rule non-humans? Should we leave each other alone? I don't want any kind of a war. I just want this Solar System to be run in a rational and compassionate manner. I don't have a prefabricated heaven to look forward to...like I did when I was a lot younger. I expect to get recycled back into this madness...and so I am trying to help clean up this mess...so that I will have a hopefully better world to reincarnate back into. I'm not buying a lot of the ascension stuff...or going to a better place stuff. I think we have to stay here and make this thing work. We have to make our bed...and sleep in it. I'm still not absolutely certain about greys, reptilians, interdimensionals, Lucifer, etc. I'm playing along as if these beings are very real...but I don't really know. If non-human beings have a legitmate claim on Earth, the Moon, and the rest of the Solar Sytem...this seriously complicates things. I'm leaning toward humans ruling humans throughout the Solar System...and cautiously interacting with non-humans...without them being a part of human government. Obviously, I don't know the true state of affairs...so I cannot speak with any real certainty. Still...we should spend a lot of time and energy thinking about these issues and questions. Unfortunately...I'm seeing virtually no interest in this thread. I'm just testing an idea at this point...and fishing for ideas and input.

    I'm just trying to combine Namaste with Constitutional Responsible Freedom utilizing the U.S. Constitution in the context of the United Nations...and applied to the entire Solar System. This would be a non-theocratic union of spirituality and state...with an organized decentralism...giving the power to the many...rather than to the few. If this sounds too simple...consider that if it's not simple...it will not work. I just want to plant the idea in at least a few people who are in a position to properly research and consider this...and to possibly begin to implement it...if it is deemed to be reasonable and workable. I'm not in a position to personally do this. People with much more talent, education, connections, drive, etc...would need to make this happen. A lot of humans and non-humans would have to sign-off on something like this for it to have even half a chance of working. I keep trying to convince Lucifer to work out the details...and then retire...but I don't think he or she spends much time on Avalon. But one never knows. This could not be forced...as that would defeat the whole purpose and concept.

    This is really a collection of other people's ideas and work. Secrecy, Compartmentalization, and Tyranny seem to be the three big enemies. I just finished rewatching Alex Collier's 1995 lecture...and he says so much which harmonizes with this thread. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-616495947939806971# I have a feeling that Bill Cooper and Alex Collier are going to be featured prominently in the history books of the future.

    Just an unrelated thought about elected officials. Perhaps they should have to earn Masters and Doctorate Degrees in Government (or equivalent)...and be genuinely qualified to participate. Perhaps they should have to take an extensive battery of tests...to determine their suitability to hold high office...rather than just getting the nod of the CFR or the Bilderberg Group.

    Speaking of the CFR. They have a great journal called 'Foreign Affairs'. I would like to see a rival publication which is patterned after 'Foreign Affairs'...but with an editorial bias which is in harmony with this thread (especiallly post #1). We need to beat the PTB at their own game. We need to invite ourselves to their party...instead of shouting at them from across the street.

    Just a plug for the videos in the first post (including the Cooper and Collier videos). I've been watching them in order...sort of like a movie...repeatedly. I'm sort of programming myself (better than being programmed by the PTB)! Repetition, repetition, repetition...and ACTION! (I got that line from W. Clement Stone) :wall:

    I found a really cool section of the 'Urantia Book' which sheds light on the principles and concepts discussed in this thread. I continue to be enamored with the concept of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom. Without the qualifying words 'Constitutional' and 'Responsible'...'Freedom' in nothing more than 'Anarchy' and 'Rebellion'...which quickly degenerates into an even worse form of 'Tyranny' than the one which was so righteously objected to. Was this Lucifer's BIG mistake? PLEASE closely examine the following words:

    054:1 TRUE AND FALSE LIBERTY http://urantiabook.org/newbook/papers/p054.htm

    54:1.1 Of all the perplexing problems growing out of the Lucifer rebellion, none has occasioned more difficulty than the failure of immature evolutionary mortals to distinguish between true and false liberty.
    54:1.2 True liberty is the quest of the ages and the reward of evolutionary progress. False liberty is the subtle deception of the error of time and the evil of space. Enduring liberty is predicated on the reality of justice—intelligence, maturity, fraternity, and equity.
    54:1.3 Liberty is a self-destroying technique of cosmic existence when its motivation is unintelligent, unconditioned, and uncontrolled. True liberty is progressively related to reality and is ever regardful of social equity, cosmic fairness, universe fraternity, and divine obligations.
    54:1.4 Liberty is suicidal when divorced from material justice, intellectual fairness, social forbearance, moral duty, and spiritual values. Liberty is nonexistent apart from cosmic reality, and all personality reality is proportional to its divinity relationships.
    54:1.5 Unbridled self-will and unregulated self-expression equal unmitigated selfishness, the acme of ungodliness. Liberty without the associated and ever-increasing conquest of self is a figment of egoistic mortal imagination. Self-motivated liberty is a conceptual illusion, a cruel deception. License masquerading in the garments of liberty is the forerunner of abject bondage.
    54:1.6 True liberty is the associate of genuine self-respect; false liberty is the consort of self-admiration. True liberty is the fruit of self-control; false liberty, the assumption of self-assertion. Self-control leads to altruistic service; self-admiration tends towards the exploitation of others for the selfish aggrandizement of such a mistaken individual as is willing to sacrifice righteous attainment for the sake of possessing unjust power over his fellow beings.
    54:1.7 Even wisdom is divine and safe only when it is cosmic in scope and spiritual in motivation.
    54:1.8 There is no error greater than that species of self-deception which leads intelligent beings to crave the exercise of power over other beings for the purpose of depriving these persons of their natural liberties. The golden rule of human fairness cries out against all such fraud, unfairness, selfishness, and unrighteousness. Only true and genuine liberty is compatible with the reign of love and the ministry of mercy.
    54:1.9 How dare the self-willed creature encroach upon the rights of his fellows in the name of personal liberty when the Supreme Rulers of the universe stand back in merciful respect for these prerogatives of will and potentials of personality! No being, in the exercise of his supposed personal liberty, has a right to deprive any other being of those privileges of existence conferred by the Creators and duly respected by all their loyal associates, subordinates, and subjects.
    54:1.10 Evolutionary man may have to contend for his material liberties with tyrants and oppressors on a world of sin and iniquity or during the early times of a primitive evolving sphere, but not so on the morontia worlds or on the spirit spheres. War is the heritage of early evolutionary man, but on worlds of normal advancing civilization physical combat as a technique of adjusting racial misunderstandings has long since fallen into disrepute.

    Richard Hoagland claims that there are three competing factions within NASA...the Nazis, Masons, and the Magicians. Are these the three major competing factions on Earth...and in the Solar System? Are the Magicians really the Vatican? Are each of these factions doing business with the Reptilians and Greys? Or...are each of these factions really doing business FOR the Reptilians and Greys? Is there a significant and major human faction on Earth which is completely independent of the Reptilians and Greys? Is it really possible to do business in this Solar System without doing business with the Reptilians and Greys?

    Hear ye! Hear ye! Oye! Oye! The first post of this thread is an expression of intent of a faction who seeks Human Sovereignty. This faction may only contain one person at this point...but it will grow. I invite the Nazis, Masons, and the Vatican to join this faction. I invite the Reptilians and Greys to respect the sovereignty of the Human Race...and to interact with us in a non-invasive and non-dictatorial manner. Reptilians and Greys...you may find this new arrangement to ultimately be in your best interest. I seek the greater good for All Races...including the Reptilians and Greys. Things seem historically and presently to be highly irrational...and generally out of control. I call upon the Universal Powers That Be to facilitate such a development as is described in the first post of this thread.

    If this sort of thing is already in the works...so be it. Again...this thread is more of an exercise than anything...especially due to the fact that inside information is just that...inside information. :zip: I'm just trying to figure out what the hell is going on :shocked:...and then respond responsibly. :original: There is obviously a learning curve.

    I'm still interested in comments regarding the ownership and governance of the solar system. I'm looking for both positive and negative comments. The first post seems as though it might be a workable and desirable goal...but it's just a sparkle in my eye at this point. It's an old idea...and a new idea...all in one. I really need more input in order to properly evaluate the editorial slant of this thread. Help!

    What are the theological implications and ramifications of 'The United States of the Solar System'? What are the theological implications and ramifications of Constructive Competition? What are the theological implications and ramifications of Positive Response Ability? What are the theological implications and ramifications of Constitutional Responsible Freedom? To me...all of the above are interwoven into a very flexible yet durable fabric.

    I'm serious. If the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights were treated as the canonical texts of a non-theocratic union of spirituality and state...what would this mean to religious and spiritual people? I wish to enhance and strengthen an ethical spiritual life...which brings the people of the world together in a unified diversity...where war and hatred becomes obsolete.

    This is uncharted territory for me...and I'm not really sure how to proceed. Or perhaps I shouldn't proceed. What do you think?

    OK...is there a rival proposal to the one I have presented in the first thread? There seems to be no interest in my proposal...so what is your proposal? The water's warm. Come-on in...

    What did you think about Jordan Maxwell's recent Camelot interview? How did his pessemistic verdict relate to my desire to form a United States of the Solar System? I'm really a mixture of hope and despair. I don't see any magic solutions. I really think that for most of the people of the world...life will be difficult for a long, long time. I really do think that my proposed solution will eventually triumph...not because I'm promoting it...but because it's really a pre-existing 2+2=4 type of solution. Alex Collier indicated in 1995 that the Andromedans communicated with him that a one-world government should be based on the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. John F. Kennedy, Barry Goldwater, Ronald Reagan, Ron Paul, Bill Cooper, Alex Jones, et al have promoted the Constitution for a long, long time. I didn't draft the documents in the first post. I'm simply a repeater of great ideas. I don't know what else to do. I just feel like we are at the end of our rope...and that we need to positively reinforce that which is tried and true...and which actually works! I could be very wrong...so please give this thread some deep thought.

    At this point...I'd like to see the continued revealing of that which has been hidden. I hope that we will be forgiving of those who have done wrong...but that we will never forget...so as to not repeat the same mistakes over and over again. I still like the idea of some kind of amnesty for full disclosure, full cooperation, and reasonable restitution. I tend to think that everyone and everything is a mixture of good and evil...almost without exception. Most of us may have been as bad as the bad-guys if we had been in their shoes...maybe even worse.

    I'm feeling really close to the truth...yet really far away. I'm thinking that Sirius is at the center of everything...yet I'm not sure exactly how.

    Could it be that the God of This World is a Draconian-possessed androgynous black human alien from Sirius who heads Giza Intelligence, the Secret Space Program, and the Deep Underground Military Bases...and who is the real Black Pope? Could the Ark of the Covenant be the UFO which brought us here from Sirius along with technology obtained from Draconian-demons in exchange for allowing the Draconians to possess the elite-humans? Is this solar system really part of the Siran solar system? Is our sun really Sirius C? Is the ancient depiction of three suns really Sirius A, Sirius B, and Sirius C? Are the tall greys from Sirius, really just human beings? Did we all come from Sirius? Is there a stargate between this solar system and Sirius? Is all of the cr@p we have been in for millions of years really a Sirian civil war? Are we all different factions of Sirians? Would my pet project of The United States of the Solar System really have to apply to Sirius as well? Is Sirius the All Seeing Eye at the top of the pyramid? Is Sunday really Sun God Day? Is this sun really Sirius? Is the Roman Catholic Church all about Sirius? Are the Masons all about Sirius? Are the occultists all about Sirius? Is the layout of Washington D.C. all about Sirius? Is the Sirian Theocratic System really the Universal Church aka The Holy Roman Empire aka the New World Order?

    Are Sirius A, B, C...and all planets and moons in the Sirius Solar Sytem somehow linked to our Solar System? Are we all from Sirius? Are Draconian Demons the real problem? Did some of us make deals with the Dracs? Do we now have hell to pay? Are there various factions of Humans living throughout these solar systems? If the Dracs decided to leave us alone or were removed...and if the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights were applied to Sirius and our Solar System...would this solve most of the major problems? Are we dealing with a Human Civil War throughout Sirius and our Solar System? How does Giza Intelligence fit into all of this? The more I try to think about all of this...the less I seem to know.

    If the Secret Space Program, Deep Underground Military Bases, Leviton Trains, etc. were under the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights in the context of a completely reformed and purified United Nations...and properly supervised by We the People...I wouldn't have a problem with them. But I'm sensing some very dark things connected with them presently.

    Is there hope for the Dracs...or are they way past the point of no return? Can they be reformed? Can they peacefully coexist with us under Constitutional Responsible Freedom? They are supposed to be very smart. Why would this be a problem to them? I don't get what's going on in this universe. It seems like a very bad nightmare. I get the feeling that things are bad everywhere...not just here.

    I have been making comments to Lucifer...but perhaps they need to be addressed to the Draconians. The Draconians are Lucifer's boss...right? What's it going to take Lord Draco? How deep are we into this New World Order Theocracy? Why does it have to be this way? What's the history of this madness? Can't we work something out which doesn't involve enslavement and extermination? Why can't we rule ourselves...and then deal with you in a reasonable manner. Why does everything seem to involve submission, obedience, worship, sacrifice, war, force, heirarchy, regimentation, deception, atrocity, etc, etc. Am I wrong...Lord Draco? What the hell is going on?

    There hasn't been a comment on this thread from someone other than me since October 2. Why is this? Why isn't the governance of this solar system one of the most important issues? You may not agree with my proposed solution...so what is your solution? I'm not fishing for approval...just input...both positive and negative. It's not really my solution either. I'm just promoting pre-existing documents and videos in a unique manner. Why re-invent the wheel?

    Once more...Dracs...why can't this proposal be accepted by you? I can understand business deals...but I can't understand the indescribable cruelty, domination, and deception you have heaped upon the Human Race. Is this payback for past wars and atrocities, etc? If so...when is enough...enough? Why not leave us alone...and allow us to rule ourselves...and then cut business deals with us which don't involve the enslavement, extermination, and domination of the Human Race? If what I'm hearing about you is true...all of this cr@p is utterly insane. But everyone involved is supposed to be oh so very, very smart...so much smarter than us stupid mortal peons. Once again...what the hell is going on here? Speak to me Lord Draco!!! I don't bite...but perhaps you do!!!! I won't bite your head off...if you promise not to bite my head off!!!! Oh I forgot...you Dracs don't negotiate...you just dictate...right? The Universal Church is a Draconian Theocracy...right Lord Draco? Why can't you accept Constitutional Responsible Freedom...and then use your military might to make certain that tyranny never rears it's ugly head again...anywhere in the Universe? Wouldn't this ultimately be in everyone's best interest...including yours? The ball's in your court...Lord Draco.

    The Universe is Watching.

    Here is a link from another thread...posted by eleni...which is pertinent to this thread: http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:_RZhCsbJQ58J:illuminati-news.com/Word/Betweenthedevilandtheincomingrock.doc+betweenthedevilandtheincomingrock.doc&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari I found this excerpt to be quite startling:

    "Governance, as opposed to security, appears to not have been a major issue from the ’79 meeting to the present. The emerging picture concerning governance painted by informant words indicates that the USG continued business as usual both vertically – from the executive apex of the presidency, through its federal departments and agencies, to the state governments in the union – and horizontally – the foreign policy apparatus of the USG continued functioning as expected through its State and Defense departments. What did change was the sense of constituent security – that is, USG had to formally contend with the presence of two Anunnaki camps in conflict with one another, and the additional requirement of dealing with both. The meaning of security also appears to have undergone a subtle, yet quite real metamorphosis. We will briefly discuss this transformation below.

    "It is evident from the literature (Good 1988, 1993; 1996, 1999; Maccabee 2000; Dolan 2000; Bryant 2002; Marrs 1998; Salla 2006; Corso 1997) that there is considerable belief based on evidence – some of questionable reliability, and some on verifiable validity – that the USG is involved in a massive cover up of anything from the existence of aliens, alien technologies, technology transfers to the private sector and more. While the focus of this essay is only on Anunnaki affairs and their impact on Earth governance, internal security, near Earth space security and Anunnaki inter-clan conflict, informants have also provided some information on contacts with “aliens” from outside the solar system (e.g., the Angleton tapes and the SERPA TS/SCI referred to by Collins and Doty 2005). This appears to reflect a reframing of how USG views the Anunnaki vis-ā-vis “the real aliens” (Six 2005). Our current hypothesis is that Anunnaki are currently viewed as “ancestors, not really aliens, but more like people who are like us, probably because they were here before the human race appeared on Earth through them” (Six 2005). This makes sense to us, since we were asked more than once to clarify our questions regarding “aliens” from the “incoming”. Is it that at present lead agencies regard this as a “local” event requiring a “local event response set”? It would seem so. This worldview on Anunnaki presence on Earth would also fit in with the seeming working definition of “those who are here and those from the incoming” as a “local problem” (Six 2005; Eight 2005).

    "How, then, has the issue of governance been affected by the double Anunnaki presence since the ’79 meeting? One of the seeming results of the formalized infrastructure specific to this situation is the insulation of the White House from the appearance of real access to UFO information. Two examples of this approach are the handling of the Rockefeller initiative during the Clinton administration (i.e., the involvement of assets said to be with CIA at the time and the White House deft use of UFO/alien humor) in deflecting one of the most delicate exopolitical crisis faced by President Clinton; the other is the style and tenor used by the Bush-43 administration: silence. The Anunnaki seem to have forced the USG into a space security structure responsive to two exopolitical constituencies. This is reflected “in the way things get handled,” said Informant Eight. “Looks like everything political is handled by the [National Space] Council and the Vice President as chair. This is where the two tracks originate. One umbrella for TS/SCIs handling the incoming, another umbrella for TS/SCI dealing with those here, and the twain shall never meet. NGA looks like it works with both tracks, but it really is controlled by the other czar for space security. This is one of the most secret functions, “cause from what I can tell, this person is the Executive Officer of the whole space security apparatus” (Eight 2005)."

    Once again...this thread is an experiment...to stimulate thought. To me...presently...it is a sort of a line in the sand. But it is not set in concrete. Besides...it's not up to me anyway. I'm just living in a make believe world of 'what if?' What if the governance of the Solar System were up to you? What would you decide to do?

    Solar System governance is a central issue...if not The Issue. It is very, very important. Please give the subject some very deep thought. I'm still wishing to have a conversation (pick a fight) regarding the governance of this solar system. Come on...let's go.

    I have a fascination regarding cathedrals and pipe-organs. The whole temple and worship concept goes way back into antiquity. Lucifer was supposedly the chief musician in 'heaven'. If 'heaven' is really the Pleiades...perhaps there were cathedrals and pipe organs in the Pleiades...and Lucifer brought the whole theological concept...including temples, cathedrals, pipe-organs, and worship...from the Pleiades to Aldebaran...then to Sirius...and finally to Earth. As above...so below. I guess I'm seeing two rival 'gods' leading a civil war. Are the Annunaki and Dracs mercenary interdimensional warriors and laborers? Was the Pleiadian 'god' instrumental in the destruction of Atlantis? Did the Luciferian 'god' take the Atlantian civilization underground? Is this Giza Intelligence? Are there underground mansions, cathedrals, libraries, and museums...combined with military bases and stargate temples? Does Lucifer (or equivalent) possess the ability to end most life on Earth through 'Earth Changes'? Is alien technology really ancient Pleiadian technology? I'm beginning to think so. The exact composition and motivations of the various secret factions are obviously unknown. My guess is that there may be three major factions...two theocratic (one Pleiadian and one Aldebaran Luciferian)...and one Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom faction.

    Hitler may very well have been a regular visitor to this underground or inner Earth realm. This may also be true for the Popes. I don't know. This is all just wild speculation. But studying the Nazi phenomenon may be the real window into what is going on.

    When Henry Kissenger was learning about the 'alien presence' he worked night and day...and wouldn't communicate with anyone...not even his wife. What he was learning must have been devastating. It couldn't have been good. Notice that certain key people, such as Henry Kissinger and Zbigniew Brzezinski (both Jason Scholar study directors)...who presumably know the complete story...quietly direct the Presidents...administration after administration. The Presidents presumably do not know the complete story...with the possible exception of George H.W. Bush.

    Once again...I just want the secrecy to end...I want all hard core regressive beings (human and non-human) to leave this solar system...and I want the solar system to be based upon namaste constitutional responsible freedom. That should correct most of the major ills...regardless of who is presently running things or which et's are good or bad. If this works...other star systems might try doing this as well. Is this too much to ask?

    Can't we at least discuss various possibilites regarding the ownership and governance of this solar system? Aren't these two of the most important issues we could possibly consider? Who owns Solar System, Inc? Who is the CEO? Is the CEO a Nine Foot Tall Draconian Reptilian? Who are the Board of Directors? Who are the Shareholders?

    We 'pale faces' acted as though the Native Americans didn't own anything. Native Homeland Security has been doing a lousy job since 1492. Is the concept of private property a bad concept? Is working for just compensation a bad concept? Is communism a good concept? Should a lazy and stupid person live just as well as a hard working and wise person?

    My economic ideal is a stratified middle class...without extreme poverty or extreme wealth. If capitalism were truly responsible and well refereed...I think this would be the case. Corrupt and irresponsible capitalism is killing us. Baseball and football games have rules and referees. Why does capitalism always seem like the wild, wild west...dominated by outlaws? Where's the damn sheriff? Oh I forgot...he got paid-off.

    I'm liking the concept of the first post more and more...even if there are no aliens. I'm actually going to try to back away from the alien/spirit stuff for awhile...and concentrate on business and world news. I've started watching Bloomberg and BBC...and I'm reading the Wall Street Journal again. These are important sources to consider if we really want a non-corrupt, non-theocratic united world. I don't want to be alarmist or paranoid. I just want to be a productive part of a responsible, peaceful, and free humanity.

    I will continue to issue a challenge regarding determining who really owns the Solar System...who really is in charge...and regarding the best form of governance. These are very, very important issues...yet few seem to care.

    Jordan Maxwell may be right...judging from the participation on this thread. You know what I'm talking about.

    There is something attractive about the the names United Nations and New World Order. They seem to imply a world at peace, with liberty and justice for all! Sigh! But sometimes things are not what they seem. Sometimes reality is exactly the opposite of that which is advertised. The UN and NWO are often described as Not being in the best interest of the United States and the principles upon which our country was founded, namely Freedom and Responsibility. A centralized dictatorship is often hinted at, with the United States at the back of the bus!

    Allow me to suggest a True World Order (TWO). You guessed it, there are TWO components to the True World Order:

    1. The Constitution of the United States of America.

    2. The Red Letter Teachings of Jesus Christ.

    And again, you guessed it, there are TWO underlying unifying principles:

    1. Freedom.

    2. Responsibility.

    The True World Order would be, and should be already, implemented here in the United States, and by example, not by coercion, the TWO would theoretically spread throughout the whole world! TWO would be a humble-minimalist-decentralized world order rather than an arrogant-theocratic-centralized world order.

    Including the Red Letter Teachings of Jesus Christ is not a violation of the Establishment Clause of the Constitution of the United States. Jesus does not call for the establishment of a literal traditional church. Just the opposite! Jesus calls for Christ-likeness, not ritual-traditional Churchianity. Respecting the words of Jesus, especially regarding the principles of freedom and responsibility, are a supreme safeguard against the establishment of any state church!

    This country and our world has yet to see the responsible implementation of the Constitution of the United States and the Red Letter Teachings of Jesus. They are TWO sides of the same gold coin, a gold standard, and allow for a responsible pluralism. Minimalist Government and Religion. What a concept! The idea is 2,000 years old. The idea is so old that it's new! TWO is #1! Go 2 4 Freedom!

    class...Class...CLASS...SHUDDUP! Thank-you!

    Question: When does church + state + people = a bad thing?
    Answer:

    Corrupt Centralized Coercive Government (Constitution Ignored!)
    + Corrupt Centralized Coercive Church (Teachings of Jesus Ignored!)
    + Oppressed Irresponsible Citizens (Constitution and Teachings of Jesus Ignored!)
    = HELL ON EARTH!

    Question: When does church + state + people = a good thing?
    Answer:

    Non-Corrupt Decentralized Minimalist Government (Constitution Followed!)
    + Non-Corrupt Decentralized Minimalist Church (Teachings of Jesus Followed!)
    + Free Responsible Citizens (Constitution and Teachings of Jesus Followed!)
    = HEAVEN ON EARTH!

    Do the Math!
    Any Questions?
    Lesson Learned?
    Class Dismissed!!

    I just want to add that I desire to retain the best of all religions and governmental systems...in an organized decentralism...which gives the power to the people...rather than to a central exalted committee, person, or god. I appreciate the efforts of leaders throughout all of universal history...who have tried to do the right thing. I'd just like to see Planet Earth make a logical and orderly transition into a responsible and free united world. I do not wish to demonize anyone...even if they have made terrible mistakes or have become incredibly corrupt. We just need to move on to bigger and better things. All of us are part of the problem. All of us are part of the solution.

    1. www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IvPIWzQcUYYouTube- The Great Dictator - speech
    2. www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzw6GiqZyD0&NR=1YouTube- We Are The World - Michael Jackson Lionel Richie Cindy Lauper Steve Wonder Bruce Springsteen...

    There comes a time when we heed a certain call
    When the world must come together as one
    There are people dying
    And its time to lend a hand to life
    The greatest gift of all
    We cant go on pretending day by day
    That someone, somewhere will soon make a change
    We are all part of gods great big family
    And the truth, you know, love is all we need
    We are the world, we are the children
    We are the ones who make a brighter day
    So lets start giving
    Theres a choice were making
    Were saving our own lives
    Its true well make a better day
    Just you and me
    Send them your heart
    So theyll know that someone cares
    And their lives will be stronger and free
    As God has shown us by turning stones to bread
    So we all must lend a helping hand
    We are the world, we are the children
    We are the ones who make a brighter day
    So lets start giving
    There's a choice were making
    Were saving our own livesl
    Its true well make a better day
    Just you and me
    When youre down and out, there seems no hope at all
    But if you just believe theres no way we can fall
    Well, well, well, well let us realize that a change can only come
    When we stand together as one
    We are the world, we are the children
    We are the ones who make a brighter day
    So lets start giving
    Theres a choice were making
    Were saving our own lives
    Its true well make a better day
    Just you and me
    We are the world, we are the children
    We are the ones who make a brighter day
    So lets start giving
    Theres a choice were making
    Were saving our own lives
    Its true well make a better day
    Just you and me
    We are the world, we are the children
    We are the ones who make a brighter day
    So lets start giving
    Theres a choice were making
    Were saving our own lives
    Its true well make a better day
    Just you and me
    Alright let me hear ya
    We are the world, we are the children
    We are the ones who make a brighter day
    So lets start giving
    Theres a choice were making
    Were saving our own lives
    Its true well make a brighter day
    Just you and me
    We are the world, we are the children
    We are the ones who make a brighter day
    So lets start giving
    Theres a choice were making
    Were saving our own lives
    Its true well make a better day
    Just you and me
    We are the world, we are the children
    We are the ones who make a brighter day
    So lets start giving
    Theres a choice were making
    Were saving our own lives
    Its true well make a better day
    Just you and me
    We are the world, we are the children
    We are the ones who make a brighter day
    So lets start giving
    Theres a choice were making
    Were saving our own lives
    Its true well make a better day
    Just you and me
    We are the world, we are the children
    We are the ones who make a brighter day
    So lets start giving
    Theres a choice were making
    Were saving our own lives
    Its true well make a better day
    Just you and me
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Fri Mar 09, 2012 2:33 pm

    I wish to make it clear that I support the individuality of various races, nations, and religions -- but I do not support Uber-Alles Nationalism. Once again -- what is the proper definition and role of 'God' in Solar System Governance? This might very well be the trickiest and stickiest part of this whole 'Governance' subject. A lot of this probably is dependent upon how this universe really works. It might not be up to us locals. I am supportive of the human race -- yet I don't know the whole story regarding the origins, nature, history, and destiny of humanity. I continue to fly-blind -- just like most everyone else. I have no inside contacts. I don't do regression-hypnosis -- or anything supernatural and creepy. I just passively research and reflect. That's all. I belong to no secret societies or think-tanks (other than participating in this website). This thread continues to be merely a Study-Guide -- although I am quite committed to the concept of Responsible-Freedom. I have made certain proposals in rather definite ways (one in particular) -- yet I desire that these proposals be highly refined. I consider them to be 'diamonds in the rough'. My strange speculations are intended to make all of us think in ways which might result in the 'Eureka Phenomenon'. A lot of this is up to YOU. I can lead a horse to water -- but I can't make it pee. Is that how it goes? Siriusly -- what if Archangel Michael was (and is) NOT like Max Von Sydow -- but rather more like Dr. Who -- Alaya in 'Dr. Who' -- Anna in 'V' -- or Vala Mal Doran??? One more thing. What if Popes and Queens were elected by at least the Priests and Aristocrats -- in a televised electoral process? What if they served ten-year terms -- and then became Popes and Queens Emeritas? This question is especially relevant if Popes and Queens rule the world -- with or without the Queen of Heaven and God of This World. What if the United States of the Solar System ruled the Solar System -- as an Open Secret Government -- with the Pope of Rome and the Queen of England serving as the Ceremonial King and Queen of the United States of the Solar System (especially if they were openly-elected and non-bloodline -- with 10 year terms)? What if the Roman Catholic Church Joined the Anglican Communion???!!! OMG!!! What if the current and hidden God of This World and Queen of Heaven retired -- and advised a New and Open Solar System Administrator? How might such a hypothetical administrator be chosen or elected? What would Orion and Sirius say? I'm presently thinking of various 'prophecies' (including Biblical prophecy) as being a Scripted Punishing Sentence Against Humanity -- rather than being a Pre-Cognitive History of the Future). How would YOU set up Church and State in a New Solar System -- with a Clean-Sheet of Paper and No Historical Baggage??? Think about it.

    I can't begin to tell you how much it hurts to try to deal with all of this. I come from a conservative Christian background -- and I am trying to stay as close to the original path as possible -- but every post of mine is full of heresy and even blasphemy -- but I really have absolutely no hatred or feelings of ill-will toward anyone. I'm simply trying to consider possibilities which are not widely considered. I think DiVinci and Michelangelo are extremely interesting. I think they both knew a helluva lot -- but that they had to be very careful -- because of potentially nasty Powers That Be -- human and otherwise. Same goes for the Bible. I'll be VERY interested to see where the Quest of the Historical Jesus ultimately leads. I continue to like the Teachings Attributed to Jesus -- but the REAL story concerning Jesus might be more disorienting and upsetting than most of us can imagine. My inner thoughts are MOST upsetting. I think the religious world (all religions) are going to go NUTS as the REAL TRUTH emerges. I'm trying to be as traditional and respectful as possible -- but I see nothing but trouble for the next few decades -- and possibly for the rest of the 21st century. The chickens, greys, reptilians, and who-knows-what, are coming home to roost, and probably to do some heavy-duty @$$-kicking. Go easy on me guys. I'm quite sensitive -- and I can't stand the sight of blood. I've been recently joking about living in an old decommissioned missile-silo! Unfortunately, if the excrement really contacts the refrigeration-system, I doubt that there is any place to hide, anywhere in the solar system. Anyway, I presently feel as if I have very little to lose, so here goes another speculative what-if episode.

    To recap -- what if the Roman Catholic Church joined the Anglican Communion? What if the new Anglo-Catholic Church were headquartered in Vatican City? What if the United States of the Solar System were headquartered in Vatican City? What if the Monarchy and the Papacy united to become the King and Queen of the United States of the Solar System -- doing double duty as the King and Queen of the Anglo-Catholic Church? What if the King and Queen both had PhD's in Solar System Studies and Governance? What if they were non-bloodline positions -- with 10 year terms? What if they were elected by the 10,000 Representatives? What if the sacred and secular governance aspects were handled by the United States of the Solar System? What if the sacred and secular ceremonial aspects were distinctly Anglican? What if theological issues were debated and decided by the United States of the Solar System? What if the 10,000 Representatives of the United States of the Solar System all had PhD's in Solar System Studies and Governance? What if the hypothetical and hidden Queen of Heaven and God of This World were replaced by a visible, but largely observational, ceremonial, and ambassadorial Solar System Administrator(s) -- who might be an Authority of Last Resort? What if most sessions occurred within the relatively new and large building next to St. Peter's? What if special sessions and ceremonies occurred within St. Peter's? What if the Secret Government and the United Nations were effectively replaced by the United States of the Solar System? What if that 1875 Cavaille-Coll Pipe-Organ (by Fisk or Reiger perhaps) were installed as originally designed and intended in St. Peter's? Have I caused enough trouble for one post already??? You City-State and Moon People (and Other Than People) must just LOVE me!!! I hear that the Jesuits hate me!!! But guys -- instead of the poison-cup -- could you just buy me a Ducati 1098R -- and give me a couple of weeks -- if you know what I mean??? Mind you, I just keep forcing this sort of thing into cyberspace to make all of us think. I'm not saying that this is the way things should be. I'm not saying 'my way, or the highway'. Can you imagine the anger, confusion, and running in the streets if my ideas were implemented? But really, I tend to think that we're somewhat screwed no matter what we do. The problems which confront us are that bad. The Horror. Enough for Now. More Later. This is getting way too scary for me. I need to stop.

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    Consider Dr. Venkman ('Ghostbusters' - 1984). Dr. Who? Dr. Bowman?
    My posting regarding how things work and how things should work in the solar system has been going on for several years now -- with very little response or conversation. Is it because I'm getting it wrong -- getting it right -- no one gets it -- or no one cares??? I feel very shut out. I feel way out of any sort of loop. Is this too simple? Is this too hard? Should I beg? Should I kneel? Should I shout? What should I do? What should I not do? Should I do anything at all? I didn't do much for decades because I sensed that what has happened over the past couple of years would indeed be the case -- and I was right. I tried to reason with people from time to time -- but to no avail. It seemed pointless then -- and it seems pointless now. Perhaps my work is done. Perhaps the task I came into this life to perform was an impossible job. My teeth are ground-down and I feel horrible 24/7. I sense that Humanity Can Do Nothing Right in the Eyes of the Galactic Powers That Be. I'm feeling no love. I sense that I have promoted love -- lifetime after lifetime -- but that love is not the way things work in this universe. I have more recently been promoting the concept of Responsibility -- with Love, Freedom, and Response-Ability orbiting this central concept. So far there seems to be very little interest in this innovation -- which shouldn't surprise me, at this late date. Even the Teachings of Jesus seem to have been largely ignored for 2,000 years -- and thousands of Horrible Images of Jesus Christ as a Human Sacrifice continue to be paraded and displayed throughout the world -- without anyone seeming to notice the problems connected with this. So why should I be surprised when my tripe is trodden under foot??? Is this the End of Humanity? Is the Decision Made? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9GGWCGBp4Y

    Once again, consider converting most Sacred Classical Organ Music into Sacred Choral Music (complete with organ and orchestral scores) -- which might include the creation of a New Hymnal (with words based upon the Principles and Concepts found in the Teachings of Jesus), based upon this 'new' choral music. When I have spoken of Latin -- I often enjoy Sung Latin and Spoken English. If Latin is employed, there should be an English translation included in the text. Don't make Latin-Only People fight with English-Only People. Let Every Congregation be Fully Pursuaded in Their Own Minds. Think about it. I am mostly speaking in regards to the Large Churches and Cathedrals of the World -- and especially those with classical architecture. I am NOT opposed to contemporary theology, music, and services. I spent years participating in just such a setting, at the Crystal Cathedral. However, the Best of the Past should be Properly Represented in This Solar System. The Contemporary Approaches Might Require the Best of the Past as a Frame of Reference, and as a Standard to Surpass -- as sort of an 'Idee Fixe'. Finally, I am NOT a 'Bach and Handel Only' Kind of Guy. I simply refer to them as reference points, in the context of the secular and sacred ceremonial aspects of a New Solar System. Think long and hard about what I just said in this paragraph. Don't make this harder than it has to be.
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Sat Mar 10, 2012 9:04 pm

    I'm not sure what I'm going to do with the next few posts -- other than applying the Scientific-Method to Law, Politics, Religion, Journalism, and Conspiracy-Theories. This should be interesting. What is the difference between a Lawyer, Politician, Theologian, Preacher, Journalist, Conspiracy-Theorist -- and a Scientist? Is derisively calling a person a "Conspiracy-Theorist" sort of like calling an African-American the "N" Word??? Here is the Wikipedia link. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

    Scientific method refers to a body of techniques for investigating phenomena, acquiring new knowledge, or correcting and integrating previous knowledge.[1] To be termed scientific, a method of inquiry must be based on gathering empirical and measurable evidence subject to specific principles of reasoning.[2] The Oxford English Dictionary says that scientific method is: "a method or procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses."[3]

    The chief characteristic which distinguishes a scientific method of inquiry from other methods of acquiring knowledge is that scientists seek to let reality speak for itself, and contradict their theories about it when those theories are incorrect,[4] i. e., falsifiability. Although procedures vary from one field of inquiry to another, identifiable features distinguish scientific inquiry from other methods of obtaining knowledge. Scientific researchers propose hypotheses as explanations of phenomena, and design experimental studies to test these hypotheses via predictions which can be derived from them. These steps must be repeatable, to guard against mistake or confusion in any particular experimenter. Theories that encompass wider domains of inquiry may bind many independently derived hypotheses together in a coherent, supportive structure. Theories, in turn, may help form new hypotheses or place groups of hypotheses into context.

    Scientific inquiry is generally intended to be as objective as possible, to reduce biased interpretations of results. Another basic expectation is to document, archive and share all data and methodology so they are available for careful scrutiny by other scientists, giving them the opportunity to verify results by attempting to reproduce them. This practice, called full disclosure, also allows statistical measures of the reliability of these data to be established.

    See also: History of scientific method and Timeline of the history of scientific method

    Ibn al-Haytham (Alhazen), 965–1039 Iraq. The Arab scholar who lived during the Islamic golden age is considered by some to be the father of modern scientific methodology.[5]

    "Modern science owes its present flourishing state to a new scientific method which was fashioned by Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)" —Morris Kline[6]

    Johannes Kepler (1571–1630). "Kepler shows his keen logical sense in detailing the whole process by which he finally arrived at the true orbit. This is the greatest piece of Retroductive reasoning ever performed." —C. S. Peirce, circa 1896, on Kepler's reasoning through explanatory hypotheses[7]
    Scientific methodology has been practiced in some form for at least one thousand years.[5] There are difficulties in a formulaic statement of method, however. As William Whewell (1794–1866) noted in his History of Inductive Science (1837) and in Philosophy of Inductive Science (1840), "invention, sagacity, genius" are required at every step in scientific method. It is not enough to base scientific method on experience alone;[8] multiple steps are needed in scientific method, ranging from our experience to our imagination, back and forth.

    In the 20th century, a hypothetico-deductive model[9] for scientific method was formulated (for a more formal discussion, see below):

    1. Use your experience: Consider the problem and try to make sense of it. Look for previous explanations. If this is a new problem to you, then move to step 2.
    2. Form a conjecture: When nothing else is yet known, try to state an explanation, to someone else, or to your notebook.
    3. Deduce a prediction from that explanation: If you assume 2 is true, what consequences follow?
    4. Test: Look for the opposite of each consequence in order to disprove 2. It is a logical error to seek 3 directly as proof of 2. This error is called affirming the consequent.[10]
    This model underlies the scientific revolution. One thousand years ago, Alhazen demonstrated the importance of steps 1 and 4.[11] Galileo 1638 also showed the importance of step 4 (also called Experiment) in Two New Sciences.[12] One possible sequence in this model would be 1, 2, 3, 4. If the outcome of 4 holds, and 3 is not yet disproven, you may continue with 3, 4, 1, and so forth; but if the outcome of 4 shows 3 to be false, you will have to go back to 2 and try to invent a new 2, deduce a new 3, look for 4, and so forth.

    Note that this method can never absolutely verify (prove the truth of) 2. It can only falsify 2.[13] (This is what Einstein meant when he said, "No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right; a single experiment can prove me wrong."[14]) However, as pointed out by Carl Hempel (1905–1997) this simple view of scientific method is incomplete; the formulation of the conjecture might itself be the result of inductive reasoning. Thus the likelihood of the prior observation being true is statistical in nature[15] and would strictly require a Bayesian analysis. To overcome this uncertainty, experimental scientists must formulate a crucial experiment,[16] in order for it to corroborate a more likely hypothesis.

    In the 20th century, Ludwik Fleck (1896–1961) and others argued that scientists need to consider their experiences more carefully, because their experience may be biased, and that they need to be more exact when describing their experiences.[17]

    DNA example Four basic elements of scientific method are illustrated by the following example from the discovery of the structure of DNA:
    DNA characterization: Although DNA had been identified as at least one and possibly the only genetic substance by Avery, Macleod and McCarty at the Rockefeller Institute in 1944, the mechanism was still unclear to anyone in 1950.
    DNA hypotheses: Crick and Watson hypothesized that the genetic material had a physical basis that was helical.[18]
    DNA prediction: From earlier work on tobacco mosaic virus,[19] Watson was aware of the significance of Crick's formulation of the transform of a helix.[20] Thus he was primed to recognize the significance of the X-shape in photo 51, the remarkable photograph of the X-ray diffraction image of DNA taken by Rosalind Franklin.
    DNA experiment: Watson saw photo 51.[21]

    The examples are continued in "Evaluations and iterations" with DNA-iterations.[22]

    Main article: Truth
    In the same way that Alhazen sought truth during his pioneering studies in optics 1000 years ago, arriving at the truth is the goal of a scientific inquiry.[23]

    Beliefs and biases
    Flying gallop falsified; see image below.Belief can alter observation; human confirmation bias is a heuristic that leads a person with a particular belief to see things as reinforcing their belief, even if another observer might disagree. Researchers have often noted that first observations are often somewhat imprecise, whereas the second and third were "adjusted to the facts". Eventually, factors such as openness to experience, self-esteem, time, and comfort can produce a readiness for new perception.[24]

    Needham's Science and Civilization in China uses the 'flying gallop' image as an example of observation bias:[25] In these images, the legs of a galloping horse are shown splayed, while the first stop-action pictures of a horse's gallop by Eadweard Muybridge showed this to be false. In a horse's gallop, at the moment that no hoof touches the ground, a horse's legs are gathered together—not splayed. Earlier paintings show an incorrect flying gallop observation.

    This image illustrates Ludwik Fleck's suggestion that people be cautious lest they observe what is not so; people often observe what they expect to observe. Until shown otherwise; their beliefs affect their observations (and, therefore, any subsequent actions which depend on those observations, in a self-fulfilling prophecy). This is one of the reasons (mistake, confusion, inadequate instruments, etc. are others) why scientific methodology directs that hypotheses be tested in controlled conditions which can be reproduced by others. The scientific community's pursuit of experimental control and reproducibility, diminishes the effects of cognitive biases.

    Any scientific theory is closely tied to empirical findings, and always remains subject to falsification if new experimental observation incompatible with it is found. That is, no theory can ever be seriously considered certain as new evidence falsifying it can be discovered. Most scientific theories don't result in large changes in human understanding. Improvements in theoretical scientific understanding is usually the result of a gradual synthesis of the results of different experiments, by various researchers, across different domains of science.[26] Theories vary in the extent to which they have been experimentally tested and for how long, and in their acceptance in the scientific community.

    In contrast to the always-provisional status of scientific theory, a myth can be believed and acted upon, or depended upon, irrespective of its truth.[27] Imre Lakatos has noted that once a narrative is constructed its elements become easier to believe (this is called the narrative fallacy).[28][29] That is, theories become accepted by a scientific community as evidence for the theory is presented, and as presumptions that are inconsistent with the evidence are falsified. -- The difference between a theory and a myth reflects a preference for a posteriori versus a priori knowledge. --[citation needed]

    Thomas Brody notes that confirmed theories are subject to subsumption by other theories, as special cases of a more general theory. For example, thousands of years of scientific observations of the planets were explained by Newton's laws. Thus the body of independent, unconnected, scientific observation can diminish.[30] Yet there is a preference in the scientific community for new, surprising statements, and the search for evidence that the new is true.[1] Goldhaber & Nieto 2010, p. 941 additionally state that "If many closely neighboring subjects are described by connecting theoretical concepts, then a theoretical structure acquires a robustness which makes it increasingly hard —though certainly never impossible— to overturn."

    There are different ways of outlining the basic method used for scientific inquiry. The scientific community and philosophers of science generally agree on the following classification of method components. These methodological elements and organization of procedures tend to be more characteristic of natural sciences than social sciences. Nonetheless, the cycle of formulating hypotheses, testing and analyzing the results, and formulating new hypotheses, will resemble the cycle described below.

    Four essential elements[31][32][33] of a scientific method[34] are iterations,[35][36] recursions,[37] interleavings, or orderings of the following:
    Characterizations (observations,[38] definitions, and measurements of the subject of inquiry)
    Hypotheses[39][40] (theoretical, hypothetical explanations of observations and measurements of the subject)[41]
    Predictions (reasoning including logical deduction[42] from the hypothesis or theory)
    Experiments[43] (tests of all of the above)
    Each element of a scientific method is subject to peer review for possible mistakes. These activities do not describe all that scientists do (see below) but apply mostly to experimental sciences (e.g., physics, chemistry, and biology). The elements above are often taught in the educational system as "the scientific method".[44]

    The scientific method is not a single recipe: it requires intelligence, imagination, and creativity.[45] In this sense, it is not a mindless set of standards and procedures to follow, but is rather an ongoing cycle, constantly developing more useful, accurate and comprehensive models and methods. For example, when Einstein developed the Special and General Theories of Relativity, he did not in any way refute or discount Newton's Principia. On the contrary, if the astronomically large, the vanishingly small, and the extremely fast are removed from Einstein's theories — all phenomena Newton could not have observed — Newton's equations are what remain. Einstein's theories are expansions and refinements of Newton's theories and, thus, increase our confidence in Newton's work.

    A linearized, pragmatic scheme of the four points above is sometimes offered as a guideline for proceeding:[46]

    Define a question
    Gather information and resources (observe)
    Form an explanatory hypothesis
    Test the hypothesis by performing an experiment and collecting data in a reproducible manner
    Analyze the data
    Interpret the data and draw conclusions that serve as a starting point for new hypothesis
    Publish results
    Retest (frequently done by other scientists)
    The iterative cycle inherent in this step-by-step methodology goes from point 3 to 6 back to 3 again.

    While this schema outlines a typical hypothesis/testing method,[47] it should also be noted that a number of philosophers, historians and sociologists of science (perhaps most notably Paul Feyerabend) claim that such descriptions of scientific method have little relation to the ways science is actually practiced.

    The "operational" paradigm combines the concepts of operational definition, instrumentalism, and utility:

    The essential elements of a scientific method are operations, observations, models, and a utility function for evaluating models.[48][not in citation given]

    Operation - Some action done to the system being investigated
    Observation - What happens when the operation is done to the system
    Model - A fact, hypothesis, theory, or the phenomenon itself at a certain moment
    Utility Function - A measure of the usefulness of the model to explain, predict, and control, and of the cost of use of it. One of the elements of any scientific utility function is the refutability of the model. Another is its simplicity, on the Principle of Parsimony more commonly known as Occam's Razor.

    Scientific method depends upon increasingly sophisticated characterizations of the subjects of investigation. (The subjects can also be called unsolved problems or the unknowns.) For example, Benjamin Franklin conjectured, correctly, that St. Elmo's fire was electrical in nature, but it has taken a long series of experiments and theoretical changes to establish this. While seeking the pertinent properties of the subjects, careful thought may also entail some definitions and observations; the observations often demand careful measurements and/or counting.

    The systematic, careful collection of measurements or counts of relevant quantities is often the critical difference between pseudo-sciences, such as alchemy, and science, such as chemistry or biology. Scientific measurements are usually tabulated, graphed, or mapped, and statistical manipulations, such as correlation and regression, performed on them. The measurements might be made in a controlled setting, such as a laboratory, or made on more or less inaccessible or unmanipulatable objects such as stars or human populations. The measurements often require specialized scientific instruments such as thermometers, spectroscopes, particle accelerators, or voltmeters, and the progress of a scientific field is usually intimately tied to their invention and improvement.

    "I am not accustomed to saying anything with certainty after only one or two observations."—Andreas Vesalius (1546) [49]

    Measurements in scientific work are also usually accompanied by estimates of their uncertainty. The uncertainty is often estimated by making repeated measurements of the desired quantity. Uncertainties may also be calculated by consideration of the uncertainties of the individual underlying quantities used. Counts of things, such as the number of people in a nation at a particular time, may also have an uncertainty due to data collection limitations. Or counts may represent a sample of desired quantities, with an uncertainty that depends upon the sampling method used and the number of samples taken.

    Measurements demand the use of operational definitions of relevant quantities. That is, a scientific quantity is described or defined by how it is measured, as opposed to some more vague, inexact or "idealized" definition. For example, electrical current, measured in amperes, may be operationally defined in terms of the mass of silver deposited in a certain time on an electrode in an electrochemical device that is described in some detail. The operational definition of a thing often relies on comparisons with standards: the operational definition of "mass" ultimately relies on the use of an artifact, such as a particular kilogram of platinum-iridium kept in a laboratory in France.

    The scientific definition of a term sometimes differs substantially from its natural language usage. For example, mass and weight overlap in meaning in common discourse, but have distinct meanings in mechanics. Scientific quantities are often characterized by their units of measure which can later be described in terms of conventional physical units when communicating the work.

    New theories are sometimes developed after realizing certain terms have not previously been sufficiently clearly defined. For example, Albert Einstein's first paper on relativity begins by defining simultaneity and the means for determining length. These ideas were skipped over by Isaac Newton with, "I do not define time, space, place and motion, as being well known to all." Einstein's paper then demonstrates that they (viz., absolute time and length independent of motion) were approximations. Francis Crick cautions us that when characterizing a subject, however, it can be premature to define something when it remains ill-understood.[50] In Crick's study of consciousness, he actually found it easier to study awareness in the visual system, rather than to study free will, for example. His cautionary example was the gene; the gene was much more poorly understood before Watson and Crick's pioneering discovery of the structure of DNA; it would have been counterproductive to spend much time on the definition of the gene, before them.

    The history of the discovery of the structure of DNA is a classic example of the elements of scientific method: in 1950 it was known that genetic inheritance had a mathematical description, starting with the studies of Gregor Mendel, and that DNA contained genetic information (Oswald Avery's transforming principle).[51] But the mechanism of storing genetic information (i.e., genes) in DNA was unclear. Researchers in Bragg's laboratory at Cambridge University made X-ray diffraction pictures of various molecules, starting with crystals of salt, and proceeding to more complicated substances. Using clues painstakingly assembled over decades, beginning with its chemical composition, it was determined that it should be possible to characterize the physical structure of DNA, and the X-ray images would be the vehicle.[52] ..2. DNA-hypotheses

    Another example: precession of Mercury
    Precession of the perihelion (exaggerated)The characterization element can require extended and extensive study, even centuries. It took thousands of years of measurements, from the Chaldean, Indian, Persian, Greek, Arabic and European astronomers, to fully record the motion of planet Earth. Newton was able to include those measurements into consequences of his laws of motion. But the perihelion of the planet Mercury's orbit exhibits a precession that cannot be fully explained by Newton's laws of motion (see diagram to the right), though it took quite some time to realize this. The observed difference for Mercury's precession between Newtonian theory and observation was one of the things that occurred to Einstein as a possible early test of his theory of General Relativity. His relativistic calculations matched observation much more closely than did Newtonian theory (the difference is approximately 43 arc-seconds per century), .

    Main article: Hypothesis formation
    A hypothesis is a suggested explanation of a phenomenon, or alternately a reasoned proposal suggesting a possible correlation between or among a set of phenomena.

    Normally hypotheses have the form of a mathematical model. Sometimes, but not always, they can also be formulated as existential statements, stating that some particular instance of the phenomenon being studied has some characteristic and causal explanations, which have the general form of universal statements, stating that every instance of the phenomenon has a particular characteristic.

    Scientists are free to use whatever resources they have — their own creativity, ideas from other fields, induction, Bayesian inference, and so on — to imagine possible explanations for a phenomenon under study. Charles Sanders Peirce, borrowing a page from Aristotle (Prior Analytics, 2.25) described the incipient stages of inquiry, instigated by the "irritation of doubt" to venture a plausible guess, as abductive reasoning. The history of science is filled with stories of scientists claiming a "flash of inspiration", or a hunch, which then motivated them to look for evidence to support or refute their idea. Michael Polanyi made such creativity the centerpiece of his discussion of methodology.

    William Glen observes that the success of a hypothesis, or its service to science, lies not simply in its perceived "truth", or power to displace, subsume or reduce a predecessor idea, but perhaps more in its ability to stimulate the research that will illuminate … bald suppositions and areas of vagueness.[53]

    In general scientists tend to look for theories that are "elegant" or "beautiful". In contrast to the usual English use of these terms, they here refer to a theory in accordance with the known facts, which is nevertheless relatively simple and easy to handle. Occam's Razor serves as a rule of thumb for choosing the most desirable amongst a group of equally explanatory hypotheses.

    DNA-hypothesesLinus Pauling proposed that DNA might be a triple helix.[54] This hypothesis was also considered by Francis Crick and James D. Watson but discarded. When Watson and Crick learned of Pauling's hypothesis, they understood from existing data that Pauling was wrong[55] and that Pauling would soon admit his difficulties with that structure. So, the race was on to figure out the correct structure (except that Pauling did not realize at the time that he was in a race—see section on "DNA-predictions" below)

    Main article: Prediction in science
    Any useful hypothesis will enable predictions, by reasoning including deductive reasoning. It might predict the outcome of an experiment in a laboratory setting or the observation of a phenomenon in nature. The prediction can also be statistical and deal only with probabilities.

    It is essential that the outcome testing such a prediction be currently unknown. Only in this case does the eventuation increase the probability that the hypothesis be true. If the outcome is already known, it's called a consequence and should have already been considered while formulating the hypothesis.

    If the predictions are not accessible by observation or experience, the hypothesis is not yet testable and so will remain to that extent unscientific in a strict sense. A new technology or theory might make the necessary experiments feasible. Thus, much scientifically based speculation might convince one (or many) that the hypothesis that other intelligent species exist is true, but there being not experiment now known which can test this hypothesis, science itself can have little to say about the possibility. In future, some new technique might lead to an experimental test and the speculation become part of accepted science.

    James D. Watson, Francis Crick, and others hypothesized that DNA had a helical structure. This implied that DNA's X-ray diffraction pattern would be 'x shaped'.[56][57] This prediction followed from the work of Cochran, Crick and Vand[20] (and independently by Stokes). The Cochran-Crick-Vand-Stokes theorem provided a mathematical explanation for the empirical observation that diffraction from helical structures produces x shaped patterns.

    In their first paper, Watson and Crick also noted that the double helix structure they proposed provided a simple mechanism for DNA replication, writing "It has not escaped our notice that the specific pairing we have postulated immediately suggests a possible copying mechanism for the genetic material".[58] ..4. DNA-experiments

    Another example: general relativity
    Einstein's prediction (1907): Light bends in a gravitational fieldEinstein's theory of General Relativity makes several specific predictions about the observable structure of space-time, such as that light bends in a gravitational field, and that the amount of bending depends in a precise way on the strength of that gravitational field. Arthur Eddington's observations made during a 1919 solar eclipse supported General Relativity rather than Newtonian gravitation.[59]

    Main article: Experiment
    Once predictions are made, they can be sought by experiments. If test results contradict the predictions, the hypotheses which made them are called into question and become less tenable. Sometimes experiments are conducted incorrectly and are not very useful. If the results confirm the predictions, then the hypotheses are considered more likely to be correct, but might still be wrong and continue to be subject to further testing. The experimental control is a technique for dealing with observational error. This technique uses the contrast between multiple samples (or observations) under differing conditions to see what varies or what remains the same. We vary the conditions for each measurement, to help isolate what has changed. Mill's canons can then help us figure out what the important factor is.[60] Factor analysis is one technique for discovering the important factor in an effect.

    Depending on the predictions, the experiments can have different shapes. It could be a classical experiment in a laboratory setting, a double-blind study or an archaeological excavation. Even taking a plane from New York to Paris is an experiment which tests the aerodynamical hypotheses used for constructing the plane.

    Scientists assume an attitude of openness and accountability on the part of those conducting an experiment. Detailed record keeping is essential, to aid in recording and reporting on the experimental results, and supports the effectiveness and integrity of the procedure. They will also assist in reproducing the experimental results, likely by others. Traces of this approach can be seen in the work of Hipparchus (190-120 BCE), when determining a value for the precession of the Earth, while controlled experiments can be seen in the works of Jābir ibn Hayyān (721-815 CE), al-Battani (853–929) and Alhazen (965-1039).[61]

    Watson and Crick showed an initial (and incorrect) proposal for the structure of DNA to a team from Kings College - Rosalind Franklin, Maurice Wilkins, and Raymond Gosling. Franklin immediately spotted the flaws which concerned the water content. Later Watson saw Franklin's detailed X-ray diffraction images which showed an X-shape and was able to confirm the structure was helical.[21][62] This rekindled Watson and Crick's model building and led to the correct structure. ..1. DNA-characterizations

    The scientific process is iterative. At any stage it is possible to refine its accuracy and precision, so that some consideration will lead the scientist to repeat an earlier part of the process. Failure to develop an interesting hypothesis may lead a scientist to re-define the subject under consideration. Failure of a hypothesis to produce interesting and testable predictions may lead to reconsideration of the hypothesis or of the definition of the subject. Failure of an experiment to produce interesting results may lead a scientist to reconsider the experimental method, the hypothesis, or the definition of the subject.

    Other scientists may start their own research and enter the process at any stage. They might adopt the characterization and formulate their own hypothesis, or they might adopt the hypothesis and deduce their own predictions. Often the experiment is not done by the person who made the prediction, and the characterization is based on experiments done by someone else. Published results of experiments can also serve as a hypothesis predicting their own reproducibility.

    After considerable fruitless experimentation, being discouraged by their superior from continuing, and numerous false starts,[63][64][65] Watson and Crick were able to infer the essential structure of DNA by concrete modeling of the physical shapes of the nucleotides which comprise it.[22][66] They were guided by the bond lengths which had been deduced by Linus Pauling and by Rosalind Franklin's X-ray diffraction images. ..DNA Example

    Science is a social enterprise, and scientific work tends to be accepted by the scientific community when it has been confirmed. Crucially, experimental and theoretical results must be reproduced by others within the scientific community. Researchers have given their lives for this vision; Georg Wilhelm Richmann was killed by ball lightning (1753) when attempting to replicate the 1752 kite-flying experiment of Benjamin Franklin.[67]

    To protect against bad science and fraudulent data, government research-granting agencies such as the National Science Foundation, and science journals including Nature and Science, have a policy that researchers must archive their data and methods so other researchers can test the data and methods and build on the research that has gone before. Scientific data archiving can be done at a number of national archives in the U.S. or in the World Data Center.

    Main article: Models of scientific inquiry
    The classical model of scientific inquiry derives from Aristotle,[68] who distinguished the forms of approximate and exact reasoning, set out the threefold scheme of abductive, deductive, and inductive inference, and also treated the compound forms such as reasoning by analogy.

    See also: Pragmatic theory of truth
    In 1877,[69] Charles Sanders Peirce ( /ˈpɜrs/ like "purse"; 1839–1914) characterized inquiry in general not as the pursuit of truth per se but as the struggle to move from irritating, inhibitory doubts born of surprises, disagreements, and the like, and to reach a secure belief, belief being that on which one is prepared to act. He framed scientific inquiry as part of a broader spectrum and as spurred, like inquiry generally, by actual doubt, not mere verbal or hyperbolic doubt, which he held to be fruitless.[70] He outlined four methods of settling opinion, ordered from least to most successful:

    The method of tenacity (policy of sticking to initial belief) — which brings comforts and decisiveness but leads to trying to ignore contrary information and others' views as if truth were intrinsically private, not public. It goes against the social impulse and easily falters since one may well notice when another's opinion is as good as one's own initial opinion. Its successes can shine but tend to be transitory.

    The method of authority — which overcomes disagreements but sometimes brutally. Its successes can be majestic and long-lived, but it cannot operate thoroughly enough to suppress doubts indefinitely, especially when people learn of other societies present and past.
    The method of congruity or the a priori or the dilettante or "what is agreeable to reason" — which promotes conformity less brutally but depends on taste and fashion in paradigms and can go in circles over time, along with barren disputation. It is more intellectual and respectable but, like the first two methods, sustains accidental and capricious beliefs, destining some minds to doubts. The scientific method — the method wherein inquiry regards itself as fallible and purposely tests itself and criticizes, corrects, and improves itself.

    Peirce held that slow, stumbling ratiocination can be dangerously inferior to instinct and traditional sentiment in practical matters, and that the scientific method is best suited to theoretical research,[71] which in turn should not be trammeled by the other methods and practical ends; reason's "first rule" is that, in order to learn, one must desire to learn and, as a corollary, must not block the way of inquiry.[72] The scientific method excels the others by being deliberately designed to arrive — eventually — at the most secure beliefs, upon which the most successful practices can be based. Starting from the idea that people seek not truth per se but instead to subdue irritating, inhibitory doubt, Peirce showed how, through the struggle, some can come to submit to truth for the sake of belief's integrity, seek as truth the guidance of potential practice correctly to its given goal, and wed themselves to the scientific method.[69][73]

    For Peirce, rational inquiry implies presuppositions about truth and the real; to reason is to presuppose (and at least to hope), as a principle of the reasoner's self-regulation, that the real is discoverable and independent of our vagaries of opinion. In that vein he defined truth as the correspondence of a sign (in particular, a proposition) to its object and, pragmatically, not as actual consensus of some definite, finite community (such that to inquire would be to poll the experts), but instead as that final opinion which all investigators would reach sooner or later but still inevitably, if they were to push investigation far enough, even when they start from different points.[74] In tandem he defined the real as a true sign's object (be that object a possibility or quality, or an actuality or brute fact, or a necessity or norm or law), which is what it is independently of any finite community's opinion and, pragmatically, depends only on the final opinion destined in a sufficient investigation. That is a destination as far, or near, as the truth itself to you or me or the given finite community. Thus his theory of inquiry boils down to "Do the science." Those conceptions of truth and the real involve the idea of a community both without definite limits (and thus potentially self-correcting as far as needed) and capable of definite increase of knowledge.[75] As inference, "logic is rooted in the social principle" since it depends on a standpoint that is, in a sense, unlimited.[76]

    Paying special attention to the generation of explanations, Peirce outlined scientific method as a coordination of three kinds of inference in a purposeful cycle aimed at settling doubts, as follows (in §III–IV in "A Neglected Argument"[77] except as otherwise noted):

    1. Abduction (or retroduction). Guessing, inference to explanatory hypotheses for selection of those best worth trying. From abduction, Peirce distinguishes induction as inferring, on the basis of tests, the proportion of truth in the hypothesis. Every inquiry, whether into ideas, brute facts, or norms and laws, arises from surprising observations in one or more of those realms (and for example at any stage of an inquiry already underway). All explanatory content of theories comes from abduction, which guesses a new or outside idea so as to account in a simple, economical way for a surprising or complicative phenomenon. Oftenest, even a well-prepared mind guesses wrong. But the modicum of success of our guesses far exceeds that of sheer luck and seems born of attunement to nature by instincts developed or inherent, especially insofar as best guesses are optimally plausible and simple in the sense, said Peirce, of the "facile and natural", as by Galileo's natural light of reason and as distinct from "logical simplicity". Abduction is the most fertile but least secure mode of inference. Its general rationale is inductive: it succeeds often enough and, without it, there is no hope of sufficiently expediting inquiry (often multi-generational) toward new truths.[78] Coordinative method leads from abducing a plausible hypothesis to judging it for its testability[79] and for how its trial would economize inquiry itself.[80] Peirce calls his pragmatism "the logic of abduction".[81] His pragmatic maxim is: "Consider what effects that might conceivably have practical bearings you conceive the objects of your conception to have. Then, your conception of those effects is the whole of your conception of the object".[74] His pragmatism is a method of reducing conceptual confusions fruitfully by equating the meaning of any conception with the conceivable practical implications of its object's conceived effects — a method of experimentational mental reflection hospitable to forming hypotheses and conducive to testing them. It favors efficiency. The hypothesis, being insecure, needs to have practical implications leading at least to mental tests and, in science, lending themselves to scientific tests. A simple but unlikely guess, if uncostly to test for falsity, may belong first in line for testing. A guess is intrinsically worth testing if it has instinctive plausibility or reasoned objective probability, while subjective likelihood, though reasoned, can be misleadingly seductive. Guesses can be chosen for trial strategically, for their caution (for which Peirce gave as example the game of Twenty Questions), breadth, and incomplexity.[82] One can hope to discover only that which time would reveal through a learner's sufficient experience anyway, so the point is to expedite it; the economy of research is what demands the leap, so to speak, of abduction and governs its art.[80]

    2. Deduction. Two stages:

    i. Explication. Unclearly premissed, but deductive, analysis of the hypothesis in order to render its parts as clear as possible.
    ii. Demonstration: Deductive Argumentation, Euclidean in procedure. Explicit deduction of hypothesis's consequences as predictions, for induction to test, about evidence to be found. Corollarial or, if needed, Theorematic.
    3. Induction. The long-run validity of the rule of induction is deducible from the principle (presuppositional to reasoning in general[74]) that the real is only the object of the final opinion to which adequate investigation would lead;[83] anything to which no such process would ever lead would not be real. Induction involving ongoing tests or observations follows a method which, sufficiently persisted in, will diminish its error below any predesignate degree. Three stages:

    i. Classification. Unclearly premissed, but inductive, classing of objects of experience under general ideas.
    ii. Probation: direct Inductive Argumentation. Crude (the enumeration of instances) or Gradual (new estimate of proportion of truth in the hypothesis after each test). Gradual Induction is Qualitative or Quantitative; if Qualitative, then dependent on weightings of qualities or characters;[84] if Quantitative, then dependent on measurements, or on statistics, or on countings.
    iii. Sentential Induction. "...which, by Inductive reasonings, appraises the different Probations singly, then their combinations, then makes self-appraisal of these very appraisals themselves, and passes final judgment on the whole result".
    Computational approachesMany subspecialties of applied logic and computer science, such as artificial intelligence, machine learning, computational learning theory, inferential statistics, and knowledge representation, are concerned with setting out computational, logical, and statistical frameworks for the various types of inference involved in scientific inquiry. In particular, they contribute hypothesis formation, logical deduction, and empirical testing. Some of these applications draw on measures of complexity from algorithmic information theory to guide the making of predictions from prior distributions of experience, for example, see the complexity measure called the speed prior from which a computable strategy for optimal inductive reasoning can be derived.

    Frequently a scientific method is employed not only by a single person, but also by several people cooperating directly or indirectly. Such cooperation can be regarded as one of the defining elements of a scientific community. Various techniques have been developed to ensure the integrity of that scientific method within such an environment.

    Scientific journals use a process of peer review, in which scientists' manuscripts are submitted by editors of scientific journals to (usually one to three) fellow (usually anonymous) scientists familiar with the field for evaluation. The referees may or may not recommend publication, publication with suggested modifications, or, sometimes, publication in another journal. This serves to keep the scientific literature free of unscientific or pseudoscientific work, to help cut down on obvious errors, and generally otherwise to improve the quality of the material. The peer review process can have limitations when considering research outside the conventional scientific paradigm: problems of "groupthink" can interfere with open and fair deliberation of some new research.[85]

    Main article: Reproducibility
    Sometimes experimenters may make systematic errors during their experiments, unconsciously veer from a scientific method (Pathological science) for various reasons, or, in rare cases, deliberately report false results. Consequently, it is a common practice for other scientists to attempt to repeat the experiments in order to duplicate the results, thus further validating the hypothesis.

    As a result, researchers are expected to practice scientific data archiving in compliance with the policies of government funding agencies and scientific journals. Detailed records of their experimental procedures, raw data, statistical analyses and source code are preserved in order to provide evidence of the effectiveness and integrity of the procedure and assist in reproduction. These procedural records may also assist in the conception of new experiments to test the hypothesis, and may prove useful to engineers who might examine the potential practical applications of a discovery.

    When additional information is needed before a study can be reproduced, the author of the study is expected to provide it promptly. If the author refuses to share data, appeals can be made to the journal editors who published the study or to the institution which funded the research.

    Since it is impossible for a scientist to record everything that took place in an experiment, facts selected for their apparent relevance are reported. This may lead, unavoidably, to problems later if some supposedly irrelevant feature is questioned. For example, Heinrich Hertz did not report the size of the room used to test Maxwell's equations, which later turned out to account for a small deviation in the results. The problem is that parts of the theory itself need to be assumed in order to select and report the experimental conditions. The observations are hence sometimes described as being 'theory-laden'.

    Dimensions of practiceFurther information: Rhetoric of science
    The primary constraints on contemporary western science are:

    Publication, i.e. Peer review
    Resources (mostly funding)
    It has not always been like this: in the old days of the "gentleman scientist" funding (and to a lesser extent publication) were far weaker constraints.

    Both of these constraints indirectly bring in a scientific method — work that too obviously violates the constraints will be difficult to publish and difficult to get funded. Journals do not require submitted papers to conform to anything more specific than "good scientific practice" and this is mostly enforced by peer review. Originality, importance and interest are more important - see for example the author guidelines for Nature.

    Philosophy and sociology of scienceMain articles: Philosophy of science and Sociology of science
    Philosophy of science looks at the underpinning logic of the scientific method, at what separates science from non-science, and the ethic that is implicit in science. There are basic assumptions derived from philosophy that form the base of the scientific method - namely, that reality is objective and consistent, that humans have the capacity to perceive reality accurately, and that rational explanations exist for elements of the real world. These assumptions from methodological naturalism form the basis on which science is grounded. Logical Positivist, empiricist, falsificationist, and other theories have claimed to give a definitive account of the logic of science, but each has in turn been criticized.

    Thomas Kuhn examined the history of science in his The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, and found that the actual method used by scientists differed dramatically from the then-espoused method. His observations of science practice are essentially sociological and do not speak to how science is or can be practiced in other times and other cultures.

    Norwood Russell Hanson, Imre Lakatos and Thomas Kuhn have done extensive work on the "theory laden" character of observation. Hanson (1958) first coined the term for the idea that all observation is dependent on the conceptual framework of the observer, using the concept of gestalt to show how preconceptions can affect both observation and description.[86] He opens Chapter 1 with a discussion of the Golgi bodies and their initial rejection as an artefact of staining technique, and a discussion of Brahe and Kepler observing the dawn and seeing a "different" sun rise despite the same physiological phenomenon. Kuhn [87] and Feyerabend [88] acknowledge the pioneering significance of his work.

    Kuhn (1961) said the scientist generally has a theory in mind before designing and undertaking experiments so as to make empirical observations, and that the "route from theory to measurement can almost never be traveled backward". This implies that the way in which theory is tested is dictated by the nature of the theory itself, which led Kuhn (1961, p. 166) to argue that "once it has been adopted by a profession ... no theory is recognized to be testable by any quantitative tests that it has not already passed".[89]

    Paul Feyerabend similarly examined the history of science, and was led to deny that science is genuinely a methodological process. In his book Against Method he argues that scientific progress is not the result of applying any particular method. In essence, he says that for any specific method or norm of science, one can find a historic episode where violating it has contributed to the progress of science. Thus, if believers in a scientific method wish to express a single universally valid rule, Feyerabend jokingly suggests, it should be 'anything goes'.[90] Criticisms such as his led to the strong programme, a radical approach to the sociology of science.

    Highly controlled experimentation allows researchers to catch their mistakes, but it also makes anomalies (which no one knew to look for) easier to seeIn his 1958 book, Personal Knowledge, chemist and philosopher Michael Polanyi (1891–1976) criticized the common view that the scientific method is purely objective and generates objective knowledge. Polanyi cast this view as a misunderstanding of the scientific method and of the nature of scientific inquiry, generally. He argued that scientists do and must follow personal passions in appraising facts and in determining which scientific questions to investigate. He concluded that a structure of liberty is essential for the advancement of science - that the freedom to pursue science for its own sake is a prerequisite for the production of knowledge through peer review and the scientific method.

    The postmodernist critiques of science have themselves been the subject of intense controversy. This ongoing debate, known as the science wars, is the result of conflicting values and assumptions between the postmodernist and realist camps. Whereas postmodernists assert that scientific knowledge is simply another discourse (note that this term has special meaning in this context) and not representative of any form of fundamental truth, realists in the scientific community maintain that scientific knowledge does reveal real and fundamental truths about reality. Many books have been written by scientists which take on this problem and challenge the assertions of the postmodernists while defending science as a legitimate method of deriving truth.[91]

    Somewhere between 33% and 50% of all scientific discoveries are estimated to have been stumbled upon, rather than sought out. This may explain why scientists so often express that they were lucky.[92] Louis Pasteur is credited with the famous saying that "Luck favours the prepared mind", but some psychologists have begun to study what it means to be 'prepared for luck' in the scientific context. Research is showing that scientists are taught various heuristics that tend to harness chance and the unexpected.[92][93] This is what professor of economics Nassim Nicholas Taleb calls "Anti-fragility"; while some systems of investigation are fragile in the face of human error, human bias, and randomness, the scientific method is more than resistant or tough - it actually benefits from such randomness in many ways (it is anti-fragile). Taleb believes that the more anti-fragile the system, the more it will flourish in the real world.[94]

    Psychologist Kevin Dunbar says the process of discovery often starts with researchers finding bugs in their experiments. These unexpected results lead researchers to try and fix what they think is an error in their methodology. Eventually, the researcher decides the error is too persistent and systematic to be a coincidence. The highly controlled, cautious and curious aspects of the scientific method are thus what make it well suited for identifying such persistent systematic errors. At this point, the researcher will begin to think of theoretical explanations for the error, often seeking the help of colleagues across different domains of expertise.[92][93]
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    I guess I'm trying to be on the sides of BOTH the PTB and the Conspiracy-Theorists. I never speak of the "Elite-Scum!!" for example -- yet I realize that corruption and arrogance are rampant. If 'they' come to 'get' me -- I'll probably offer to make them a fresh pot of coffee (without poison!) before we head for Camp FEMA. All of this really is a game to me. A very serious game. I like an interdisciplinary approach -- hence the title of this thread. I plan to examine the Scientific-Method -- and then apply it individually to Law, Politics, Religion, Journalism, and Conspiracy-Theories. I'd make a very poor rabble-rouser, debater, or interview subject -- although I think I might possibly be useful as an interviewer -- and I feel as if I might've already done some of this unwittingly in recent months and years. This website is sort of a 'Galactic Rand Corporation' for me. I'd never get hired-on to such an enterprise -- so this is the next best thing -- and it might actually be BETTER than some formal group meeting in an underground base somewhere. Such a situation would probably be unbelieveably controlled. Just a guess. I've signed nothing. I get paid nothing. I know everything I type and say is recorded -- and can and will be used against me in some damn kangaroo court. Unfortunately, this seems to be the cost of doing business. I'm frankly a burned-out and over-the-hill Pseudointellectual Political and Theological Science-Fiction Writer who will probably never, ever get a book published -- and who will probably die deeply in debt. When Raven called me a 'Completely Ignorant Fool' some time ago -- I agreed that this was quite accurate -- and it remains accurate. Unfortunately, this is reality, and it sucks to be me. We all have our crosses to bear. The horror. Anyway, back to the task at hand. Here is a continuation of the Wikipedia material. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

    Main article: History of scientific method
    See also: Timeline of the history of scientific method

    Aristotle, 384 BC–322 BC. "As regards his method, Aristotle is recognized as the inventor of scientific method because of his refined analysis of logical implications contained in demonstrative discourse, which goes well beyond natural logic and does not owe anything to the ones who philosophized before him."—Riccardo Pozzo[95]The development of the scientific method is inseparable from the history of science itself. Ancient Egyptian documents describe empirical methods in astronomy,[96] mathematics,[97] and medicine.[98] The ancient Greek philosopher Thales in the 6th century BC refused to accept supernatural, religious or mythological explanations for natural phenomena, proclaiming that every event had a natural cause. The development of deductive reasoning by Plato was an important step towards the scientific method. Empiricism seems to have been formalized by Aristotle, who believed that universal truths could be reached via induction.

    There are hints of experimental methods from the Classical world (e.g., those reported by Archimedes in a report recovered early in the 20th century CE from an overwritten manuscript), but the first clear instances of an experimental scientific method seem to have been developed by Islamic scientists who introduced the use of experimentation and quantification within a generally empirical orientation. For example, Alhazen performed optical and physiological experiments, reported in his manifold works, the most famous being Book of Optics (1021).[99][unreliable source?] The modern scientific method crystallized no later than in the 17th and 18th centuries. In his work Novum Organum (1620) — a reference to Aristotle's Organon — Francis Bacon outlined a new system of logic to improve upon the old philosophical process of syllogism.[100] Then, in 1637, René Descartes established the framework for a scientific method's guiding principles in his treatise, Discourse on Method. The writings of Alhazen, Bacon and Descartes are considered critical in the historical development of the modern scientific method, as are those of John Stuart Mill.[101]

    Grosseteste was "the principal figure" in bringing about "a more adequate method of scientific inquiry" by which "medieval scientists were able eventually to outstrip their ancient European and Muslim teachers" (Dales 1973:62). ... His thinking influenced Roger Bacon, who spread Grosseteste's ideas from Oxford to the University of Paris during a visit there in the 1240s. From the prestigious universities in Oxford and Paris, the new experimental science spread rapidly throughout the medieval universities: "And so it went to Galileo, William Gilbert, Francis Bacon, William Harvey, Descartes, Robert Hooke, Newton, Leibniz, and the world of the seventeenth century" (Crombie 1962:15). So it went to us also.
    — Hugh G. Gauch, 2003.[102]

    Roger Bacon (c.1214–1294) is sometimes credited as one of the earliest European advocates of the modern scientific method inspired by the works of Aristotle.[103]In the late 19th century, Charles Sanders Peirce proposed a schema that would turn out to have considerable influence in the development of current scientific method generally. Peirce accelerated the progress on several fronts. Firstly, speaking in broader context in "How to Make Our Ideas Clear" (1878), Peirce outlined an objectively verifiable method to test the truth of putative knowledge on a way that goes beyond mere foundational alternatives, focusing upon both deduction and induction. He thus placed induction and deduction in a complementary rather than competitive context (the latter of which had been the primary trend at least since David Hume, who wrote in the mid-to-late 18th century). Secondly, and of more direct importance to modern method, Peirce put forth the basic schema for hypothesis/testing that continues to prevail today. Extracting the theory of inquiry from its raw materials in classical logic, he refined it in parallel with the early development of symbolic logic to address the then-current problems in scientific reasoning. Peirce examined and articulated the three fundamental modes of reasoning that, as discussed above in this article, play a role in inquiry today, the processes that are currently known as abductive, deductive, and inductive inference. Thirdly, he played a major role in the progress of symbolic logic itself — indeed this was his primary specialty.

    Beginning in the 1930s, Karl Popper argued that there is no such thing as inductive reasoning.[104] All inferences ever made, including in science, are purely[105] deductive according to this view. Accordingly, he claimed that the empirical character of science has nothing to do with induction—but with the deductive property of falsifiability that scientific hypotheses have. Contrasting his views with inductivism and positivism, he even denied the existence of scientific method: "(1) There is no method of discovering a scientific theory (2) There is no method for ascertaining the truth of a scientific hypothesis, i.e., no method of verification; (3) There is no method for ascertaining whether a hypothesis is 'probable', or probably true".[106] Instead, he held that there is only one universal method, a method not particular to science: The negative method of criticism, or colloquially termed trial and error. It covers not only all products of the human mind, including science, mathematics, philosophy, art and so on, but also the evolution of life. Following Peirce and others, Popper argued that science is fallible and has no authority.[106] In contrast to empiricist-inductivist views, he welcomed metaphysics and philosophical discussion and even gave qualified support to myths[107] and pseudosciences.[108] Popper's view has become known as critical rationalism.

    Relationship with mathematicsScience is the process of gathering, comparing, and evaluating proposed models against observables. A model can be a simulation, mathematical or chemical formula, or set of proposed steps. Science is like mathematics in that researchers in both disciplines can clearly distinguish what is known from what is unknown at each stage of discovery. Models, in both science and mathematics, need to be internally consistent and also ought to be falsifiable (capable of disproof). In mathematics, a statement need not yet be proven; at such a stage, that statement would be called a conjecture. But when a statement has attained mathematical proof, that statement gains a kind of immortality which is highly prized by mathematicians, and for which some mathematicians devote their lives.[109]

    Mathematical work and scientific work can inspire each other.[110] For example, the technical concept of time arose in science, and timelessness was a hallmark of a mathematical topic. But today, the Poincaré conjecture has been proven using time as a mathematical concept in which objects can flow (see Ricci flow).

    Nevertheless, the connection between mathematics and reality (and so science to the extent it describes reality) remains obscure. Eugene Wigner's paper, The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Mathematics in the Natural Sciences, is a very well known account of the issue from a Nobel Prize physicist. In fact, some observers (including some well known mathematicians such as Gregory Chaitin, and others such as Lakoff and Núñez) have suggested that mathematics is the result of practitioner bias and human limitation (including cultural ones), somewhat like the post-modernist view of science.

    George Pólya's work on problem solving,[111] the construction of mathematical proofs, and heuristic[112][113] show that the mathematical method and the scientific method differ in detail, while nevertheless resembling each other in using iterative or recursive steps.

    Mathematical method Scientific method
    1 Understanding Characterization from experience and observation
    2 Analysis Hypothesis: a proposed explanation
    3 Synthesis Deduction: prediction from the hypothesis
    4 Review/Extend Test and experiment

    In Pólya's view, understanding involves restating unfamiliar definitions in your own words, resorting to geometrical figures, and questioning what we know and do not know already; analysis, which Pólya takes from Pappus,[114] involves free and heuristic construction of plausible arguments, working backward from the goal, and devising a plan for constructing the proof; synthesis is the strict Euclidean exposition of step-by-step details[115] of the proof; review involves reconsidering and re-examining the result and the path taken to it.

    Gauss, when asked how he came about his theorems, once replied "durch planmässiges Tattonieren" (through systematic palpable experimentation).[116]

    Imre Lakatos argued that mathematicians actually use contradiction, criticism and revision as principles for improving their work.[117]

    See alsoConfirmability
    Contingency
    Falsifiability
    Hypothesis
    Hypothesis testing
    Inquiry
    Information theory
    Logic
    Abductive reasoning
    Deductive reasoning
    Inductive reasoning
    Inference
    Tautology
    Methodology
    Baconian method
    Empirical method
    Historical method
    Philosophical method
    Phronetic method
    Scholarly method
    Strong inference
    Mathematics
    OGHET
    Operationalization
    Quantitative research
    Reproducibility
    Research
    Social research
    Statistics
    Testability
    Theory
    Verification and Validation

    Problems and issuesInduction
    Problem of induction
    Occam's razor
    Skeptical hypotheses
    Poverty of the stimulus
    Reference class problem
    Underdetermination
    Demarcation problem
    Holistic science
    Junk science
    Pseudoscience
    Scientific misconduct

    History, philosophy, sociologyEpistemology
    Epistemic truth
    History of science
    History of scientific method
    Instrumentalism
    Mertonian norms (Cudos)
    Philosophy of science
    Science studies
    Sociology of scientific knowledge
    Timeline of scientific method

    Notes^ a b Goldhaber & Nieto 2010, p. 940
    ^ "[4] Rules for the study of natural philosophy", Newton 1999, pp. 794–6, from Book 3, The System of the World.
    ^ Oxford English Dictionary - entry for scientific.
    ^ Gauch 2003, p. 35
    ^ a b "Truth is sought for its own sake. And those who are engaged upon the quest for anything for its own sake are not interested in other things. Finding the truth is difficult, and the road to it is rough."—Alhazen (Ibn Al-Haytham 965-c.1040) Critique of Ptolemy, translated by S. Pines, Actes X Congrès internationale d'histoire des sciences, Vol I Ithaca 1962, as quoted in Sambursky 1974, p. 139. (This quotation is from Alhazen's critique of Ptolemy's books Almagest, Planetary Hypotheses, and Optics as translated into English by A. Mark Smith.)
    ^ Morris Kline (1985) Mathematics for the nonmathematician. Courier Dover Publications. p. 284. ISBN 0-486-24823-2
    ^ Peirce, C. S., Collected Papers v. 1, paragraph 74.
    ^ "...the statement of a law—A depends on B—always transcends experience." —Born 1949, p. 6
    ^ Godfrey-Smith 2003 p. 236.
    ^ Taleb 2007 e.g., p. 58, devotes his chapter 5 to the error of confirmation.
    ^ "How does light travel through transparent bodies? Light travels through transparent bodies in straight lines only.... We have explained this exhaustively in our Book of Optics. But let us now mention something to prove this convincingly: the fact that light travels in straight lines is clearly observed in the lights which enter into dark rooms through holes.... [T]he entering light will be clearly observable in the dust which fills the air. —Alhazen, translated into English from German by M. Schwarz, from "Abhandlung über das Licht", J. Baarmann (ed. 1882) Zeitschrift der Deutschen Morgenländischen Gesellschaft Vol 36 as quoted in Sambursky 1974, p. 136.
    The conjecture that "light travels through transparent bodies in straight lines only" was corroborated by Alhazen only after years of effort. His demonstration of the conjecture was to place a straight stick or a taut thread next to the light beam, as quoted in Sambursky 1974, p. 136 to prove that light travels in a straight line.
    David Hockney, (2001, 2006) in Secret Knowledge: rediscovering the lost techniques of the old masters ISBN 0-14-200512-6 (expanded edition) cites Alhazen several times as the likely source for the portraiture technique using the camera obscura, which Hockney rediscovered with the aid of an optical suggestion from Charles M. Falco. Kitab al-Manazir, which is Alhazen's Book of Optics, at that time denoted Opticae Thesaurus, Alhazen Arabis, was translated from Arabic into Latin for European use as early as 1270. Hockney cites Friedrich Risner's 1572 Basle edition of Opticae Thesaurus. Hockney quotes Alhazen as the first clear description of the camera obscura in Hockney, p. 240.
    ^ Galilei, Galileo (M.D.C.XXXVIII), Discorsi e Dimonstrazioni Matematiche, intorno a due nuoue scienze, Leida: Apresso gli Elsevirri, ISBN 0-486-60099-8 , Dover reprint of the 1914 Macmillan translation by Henry Crew and Alfonso de Salvio of Two New Sciences, Galileo Galilei Linceo (1638). Additional publication information is from the collection of first editions of the Library of Congress surveyed by Bruno 1989, pp. 261–264.
    ^ "I believe that we do not know anything for certain, but everything probably." —Christiaan Huygens, Letter to Pierre Perrault, 'Sur la préface de M. Perrault de son traité del'Origine des fontaines' [1763], Oeuvres Complétes de Christiaan Huygens (1897), Vol. 7, 298. Quoted in Jacques Roger, The Life Sciences in Eighteenth-Century French Thought, ed. Keith R. Benson and trans. Robert Ellrich (1997), 163. Quotation selected by Bynum & Porter 2005, p. 317 Huygens 317#4.
    ^ As noted by Alice Calaprice (ed. 2005) The New Quotable Einstein Princeton University Press and Hebrew University of Jerusalem, ISBN 0-691-12074-9 p. 291. Calaprice denotes this not as an exact quotation, but as a paraphrase of a translation of A. Einstein's "Induction and Deduction". Collected Papers of Albert Einstein 7 Document 28. Volume 7 is The Berlin Years: Writings, 1918-1921. A. Einstein; M. Janssen, R. Schulmann, et al., eds.
    ^ Murzi, Mauro (2001, 2008), "Carl Gustav Hempel (1905—1997)", Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy.
    ^ Poincaré 1905 p.142 notes that Francis Bacon introduced the term; on a related note, Ørsted introduced the term 'thought experiment'; of course, Galileo, a contemporary of Bacon, had previously made liberal use of these concepts in his writings centuries earlier than Poincaré or Ørsted.
    ^ Fleck 1979, pp. xxvii-xxviii
    ^ October, 1951. as noted in McElheny 2004, p. 40:"That's what a helix should look like!" Crick exclaimed in delight (This is the Cochran-Crick-Vand&Stokes theory of the transform of a helix).
    ^ June, 1952. as noted in McElheny 2004, p. 43: Watson had succeeded in getting X-ray pictures of TMV showing a helical structure
    ^ a b Cochran W, Crick FHC and Vand V. (1952) "The Structure of Synthetic Polypeptides. I. The Transform of Atoms on a Helix", Acta Cryst., 5, 581-586.
    ^ a b Friday, January 30, 1953. Tea time. as noted in McElheny 2004, p. 52: Franklin confronts Watson and his paper - "Of course it [Pauling's pre-print] is wrong. DNA is not a helix." Watson ran away from Franklin and into Wilkins; in Wilkins' office, Watson saw photo 51. Watson immediately recognizes the diffraction pattern of a helical structure.
    ^ a b Saturday, February 28, 1953, as noted in McElheny 2004, pp. 57–59: Watson found the base pairing mechanism which explained Chargaff's rules using his cardboard models.
    ^ "People start off with a belief and a prejudice—we all do. And the job of science is to set that aside to get to the truth." —Simon Singh, as quoted in Wired (August 30, 2010) interview by Robert Capps
    ^ "Observation and experiment are subject to a very popular myth. ... The knower is seen as a ... Julius Caesar winning his battles according to ... formula. Even research workers will admit that the first observation may have been a little imprecise, whereas the second and third were 'adjusted to the facts' ... until tradition, education, and familiarity have produced a readiness for stylized (that is directed and restricted) perception and action; until an answer becomes largely pre-formed in the question, and a decision confined merely to 'yes' or 'no' or perhaps to a numerical determination; until methods and apparatus automatically carry out the greatest part of the mental work for us." Ludwik Fleck labels this thought style(Denkstil). Fleck 1979, p. 84.
    ^ Needham & Wang 1954 p.166 shows how the 'flying gallop' image propagated from China to the West.
    ^ Stanovich, Keith E. (2007). How to Think Straight About Psychology. Boston: Pearson Education. pg 123
    ^ "A myth is a belief given uncritical acceptance by members of a group ..." —Weiss, Business Ethics p. 15, as cited by Ronald R. Sims (2003) Ethics and corporate social responsibility: why giants fall p.21
    ^ Imre Lakatos (1976), Proofs and Refutations. Taleb 2007, p. 72 lists ways to avoid narrative fallacy and confirmation bias.
    ^ For more on the narrative fallacy, see also Fleck 1979, p. 27: "Words and ideas are originally phonetic and mental equivalences of the experiences coinciding with them. ... Such proto-ideas are at first always too broad and insufficiently specialized. ... Once a structurally complete and closed system of opinions consisting of many details and relations has been formed, it offers enduring resistance to anything that contradicts it."
    ^ Brody 1993, pp. 44–45
    ^ See the hypothethico-deductive method, for example, Godfrey-Smith 2003, p. 236.
    ^ Jevons 1874, pp. 265–6.
    ^ pp.65,73,92,398 —Andrew J. Galambos, Sic Itur ad Astra ISBN 0-88078-004-5(AJG learned scientific method from Felix Ehrenhaft
    ^ Galileo 1638, pp. v-xii,1–300
    ^ Brody 1993, pp. 10–24 calls this the "epistemic cycle": "The epistemic cycle starts from an initial model; iterations of the cycle then improve the model until an adequate fit is achieved."
    ^ Iteration example: Chaldean astronomers such as Kidinnu compiled astronomical data. Hipparchus was to use this data to calculate the precession of the Earth's axis. Fifteen hundred years after Kidinnu, Al-Batani, born in what is now Turkey, would use the collected data and improve Hipparchus' value for the precession of the Earth's axis. Al-Batani's value, 54.5 arc-seconds per year, compares well to the current value of 49.8 arc-seconds per year (26,000 years for Earth's axis to round the circle of nutation).
    ^ Recursion example: the Earth is itself a magnet, with its own North and South Poles William Gilbert (in Latin 1600) De Magnete, or On Magnetism and Magnetic Bodies. Translated from Latin to English, selection by Moulton & Schifferes 1960, pp. 113–117. Gilbert created a terrella, a lodestone ground into a spherical shape, which served as Gilbert's model for the Earth itself, as noted in Bruno 1989, p. 277.
    ^ "The foundation of general physics ... is experience. These ... everyday experiences we do not discover without deliberately directing our attention to them. Collecting information about these is observation." —Hans Christian Ørsted("First Introduction to General Physics" ¶13, part of a series of public lectures at the University of Copenhagen. Copenhagen 1811, in Danish, printed by Johan Frederik Schulz. In Kirstine Meyer's 1920 edition of Ørsted's works, vol.III pp. 151-190. ) "First Introduction to Physics: the Spirit, Meaning, and Goal of Natural Science". Reprinted in German in 1822, Schweigger's Journal für Chemie und Physik 36, pp.458-488, as translated in Ørsted 1997, p. 292
    ^ "When it is not clear under which law of nature an effect or class of effect belongs, we try to fill this gap by means of a guess. Such guesses have been given the name conjectures or hypotheses." —Hans Christian Ørsted(1811) "First Introduction to General Physics" as translated in Ørsted 1997, p. 297.
    ^ "In general we look for a new law by the following process. First we guess it. ...", —Feynman 1965, p. 156
    ^ "... the statement of a law - A depends on B - always transcends experience."—Born 1949, p. 6
    ^ "The student of nature ... regards as his property the experiences which the mathematician can only borrow. This is why he deduces theorems directly from the nature of an effect while the mathematician only arrives at them circuitously." —Hans Christian Ørsted(1811) "First Introduction to General Physics" ¶17. as translated in Ørsted 1997, p. 297.
    ^ Salviati speaks: "I greatly doubt that Aristotle ever tested by experiment whether it be true that two stones, one weighing ten times as much as the other, if allowed to fall, at the same instant, from a height of, say, 100 cubits, would so differ in speed that when the heavier had reached the ground, the other would not have fallen more than 10 cubits." Two New Sciences (1638) —Galileo 1638, pp. 61–62. A more extended quotation is referenced by Moulton & Schifferes 1960, pp. 80–81.
    ^ In the inquiry-based education paradigm, the stage of "characterization, observation, definition, …" is more briefly summed up under the rubric of a Question
    ^ "To raise new questions, new possibilities, to regard old problems from a new angle, requires creative imagination and marks real advance in science." —Einstein & Infeld 1938, p. 92.
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    ^ See, e.g., Gauch 2003, esp. chapters 5-8
    ^ Cartwright, Nancy (1983), How the Laws of Physics Lie. Oxford: Oxford University Press. ISBN 0-19-824704-4
    ^ Andreas Vesalius, Epistola, Rationem, Modumque Propinandi Radicis Chynae Decocti (1546), 141. Quoted and translated in C.D. O'Malley, Andreas Vesalius of Brussels, (1964), 116. As quoted by Bynum & Porter 2005, p. 597: Andreas Vesalius,597#1.
    ^ Crick, Francis (1994), The Astonishing Hypothesis ISBN 0-684-19431-7 p.20
    ^ McCarty1985
    ^ McElheny 2004 p.34
    ^ Glen 1994, pp. 37–38.
    ^ "The structure that we propose is a three-chain structure, each chain being a helix" — Linus Pauling, as quoted on p. 157 by Horace Freeland Judson (1979), The Eighth Day of Creation ISBN 0-671-22540-5
    ^ McElheny 2004, pp. 49–50: January 28, 1953 - Watson read Pauling's pre-print, and realized that in Pauling's model, DNA's phosphate groups had to be un-ionized. But DNA is an acid, which contradicts Pauling's model.
    ^ June, 1952. as noted in McElheny 2004, p. 43: Watson had succeeded in getting X-ray pictures of TMV showing a diffraction pattern consistent with the transform of a helix.
    ^ Watson did enough work on Tobacco mosaic virus to produce the diffraction pattern for a helix, per Crick's work on the transform of a helix. pp. 137-138, Horace Freeland Judson (1979) The Eighth Day of Creation ISBN 0-671-22540-5
    ^ McElheny 2004 p.68: Nature April 25, 1953.
    ^ In March 1917, the Royal Astronomical Society announced that on May 29, 1919, the occasion of a total eclipse of the sun would afford favorable conditions for testing Einstein's General theory of relativity. One expedition, to Sobral, Ceará, Brazil, and Eddington's expedition to the island of Principe yielded a set of photographs, which, when compared to photographs taken at Sobral and at Greenwich Observatory showed that the deviation of light was measured to be 1.69 arc-seconds, as compared to Einstein's desk prediction of 1.75 arc-seconds. — Antonina Vallentin (1954), Einstein, as quoted by Samuel Rapport and Helen Wright (1965), Physics, New York: Washington Square Press, pp 294-295.
    ^ Mill, John Stuart, "A System of Logic", University Press of the Pacific, Honolulu, 2002, ISBN 1-4102-0252-6.
    ^ al-Battani, De Motu Stellarum translation from Arabic to Latin in 1116, as cited by "Battani, al-" (c.858-929) Encyclopaedia Britannica, 15th. ed. Al-Battani is known for his accurate observations at al-Raqqah in Syria, beginning in 877. His work includes measurement of the annual precession of the equinoxes.
    ^ "The instant I saw the picture my mouth fell open and my pulse began to race." —Watson 1968, p. 167 Page 168 shows the X-shaped pattern of the B-form of DNA, clearly indicating crucial details of its helical structure to Watson and Crick.
    McElheny 2004 p.52 dates the Franklin-Watson confrontation as Friday, January 30, 1953. Later that evening, Watson urges Wilkins to begin model-building immediately. But Wilkins agrees to do so only after Franklin's departure.
    ^ McElheny 2004 p.53: The weekend (January 31-February 1) after seeing photo 51, Watson informed Bragg of the X-ray diffraction image of DNA in B form. Bragg gave them permission to restart their research on DNA (that is, model building).
    ^ McElheny 2004 p.54: On Sunday February 8, 1953, Maurice Wilkes gave Watson and Crick permission to work on models, as Wilkes would not be building models until Franklin left DNA research.
    ^ McElheny 2004 p.56: Jerry Donohue, on sabbatical from Pauling's lab and visiting Cambridge, advises Watson that textbook form of the base pairs was incorrect for DNA base pairs; rather, the keto form of the base pairs should be used instead. This form allowed the bases' hydrogen bonds to pair 'unlike' with 'unlike', rather than to pair 'like' with 'like', as Watson was inclined to model, on the basis of the textbook statements. On February 27, 1953, Watson was convinced enough to make cardboard models of the nucleotides in their keto form.
    ^ "Suddenly I became aware that an adenine-thymine pair held together by two hydrogen bonds was identical in shape to a guanine-cytosine pair held together by at least two hydrogen bonds. ..." —Watson 1968, pp. 194–197.
    McElheny 2004 p.57 Saturday, February 28, 1953, Watson tried 'like with like' and admited these base pairs didn't have hydrogen bonds that line up. But after trying 'unlike with unlike', and getting Jerry Donohue's approval, the base pairs turned out to be identical in shape (as Watson stated above in his 1968 Double Helix memoir quoted above). Watson now felt confident enough to inform Crick. (Of course, 'unlike with unlike' increases the number of possible codons, if this scheme were a genetic code.)
    ^ See, e.g., Physics Today, 59(1), p42. Richmann electrocuted in St. Petersburg (1753)
    ^ Aristotle, "Prior Analytics", Hugh Tredennick (trans.), pp. 181-531 in Aristotle, Volume 1, Loeb Classical Library, William Heinemann, London, UK, 1938.
    ^ a b Peirce (1877), "The Fixation of Belief", Popular Science Monthly, v. 12, pp. 1–15. Reprinted often, including (Collected Papers of Charles Sanders Peirce v. 5, paragraphs 358–87), (The Essential Peirce, v. 1, pp. 109–23). Peirce.org Eprint. Wikisource Eprint.
    ^ "What one does not in the least doubt one should not pretend to doubt; but a man should train himself to doubt," said Peirce in a brief intellectual autobiography; see Ketner, Kenneth Laine (2009) "Charles Sanders Peirce: Interdisciplinary Scientist" in The Logic of Interdisciplinarity). Peirce held that actual, genuine doubt originates externally, usually in surprise, but also that it is to be sought and cultivated, "provided only that it be the weighty and noble metal itself, and no counterfeit nor paper substitute"; in "Issues of Pragmaticism", The Monist, v. XV, n. 4, pp. 481-99, see p. 484, and p. 491. (Reprinted in Collected Papers v. 5, paragraphs 438-63, see 443 and 451).
    ^ Peirce (1898), "Philosophy and the Conduct of Life", Lecture 1 of the Cambridge (MA) Conferences Lectures, published in Collected Papers v. 1, paragraphs 616-48 in part and in Reasoning and the Logic of Things, Ketner (ed., intro.) and Putnam (intro., comm.), pp. 105-22, reprinted in Essential Peirce v. 2, pp. 27-41.
    ^ Peirce (1899), "F.R.L." [First Rule of Logic], Collected Papers v. 1, paragraphs 135-40, Eprint
    ^ Collected Papers v. 5, in paragraph 582, from 1898:
    ... [rational] inquiry of every type, fully carried out, has the vital power of self-correction and of growth. This is a property so deeply saturating its inmost nature that it may truly be said that there is but one thing needful for learning the truth, and that is a hearty and active desire to learn what is true.
    ^ a b c Peirce (1877), "How to Make Our Ideas Clear", Popular Science Monthly, v. 12, pp. 286–302. Reprinted often, including Collected Papers v. 5, paragraphs 388–410, Essential Peirce v. 1, pp. 124–41. ArisbeEprint. Wikisource Eprint.
    ^ Peirce (1868), "Some Consequences of Four Incapacities", Journal of Speculative Philosophy v. 2, n. 3, pp. 140–57. Reprinted Collected Papers v. 5, paragraphs 264–317, The Essential Peirce v. 1, pp. 28–55, and elsewhere. Arisbe Eprint
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    ^ Peirce (1908), "A Neglected Argument for the Reality of God", Hibbert Journal v. 7, pp. 90-112. s:A Neglected Argument for the Reality of God with added notes. Reprinted with previously unpublished part, Collected Papers v. 6, paragraphs 452-85, The Essential Peirce v. 2, pp. 434-50, and elsewhere.
    ^ Peirce (c. 1906), "PAP (Prolegomena for an Apology to Pragmatism)" (Manuscript 293, not the like-named article), The New Elements of Mathematics (NEM) 4:319-320, see first quote under "Abduction" at Commens Dictionary of Peirce's Terms.
    ^ Peirce, Carnegie application (L75, 1902), New Elements of Mathematics v. 4, pp. 37-38:
    For it is not sufficient that a hypothesis should be a justifiable one. Any hypothesis which explains the facts is justified critically. But among justifiable hypotheses we have to select that one which is suitable for being tested by experiment.
    ^ a b Peirce (1902), Carnegie application, see MS L75.329-330, from Draft D of Memoir 27:
    Consequently, to discover is simply to expedite an event that would occur sooner or later, if we had not troubled ourselves to make the discovery. Consequently, the art of discovery is purely a question of economics. The economics of research is, so far as logic is concerned, the leading doctrine with reference to the art of discovery. Consequently, the conduct of abduction, which is chiefly a question of heuretic and is the first question of heuretic, is to be governed by economical considerations.
    ^ Peirce (1903), "Pragmatism — The Logic of Abduction", Collected Papers v. 5, paragraphs 195-205, especially 196. Eprint.
    ^ Peirce, "On the Logic of Drawing Ancient History from Documents", Essential Peirce v. 2, see pp. 107-9. On Twenty Questions, p. 109:
    Thus, twenty skillful hypotheses will ascertain what 200,000 stupid ones might fail to do.
    ^ Peirce (1878), "The Probability of Induction", Popular Science Monthly, v. 12, pp. 705-18, see 718 Google Books; 718 via Internet Archive. Reprinted often, including (Collected Papers v. 2, paragraphs 669-93), (The Essential Peirce v. 1, pp. 155-69).
    ^ Peirce (1905 draft "G" of "A Neglected Argument"), "Crude, Quantitative, and Qualitative Induction", Collected Papers v. 2, paragraphs 755–760, see 759. Find under "Induction" at Commens Dictionary of Peirce's Terms.
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Sun Mar 11, 2012 6:03 pm

    orthodoxymoron wrote:OK...I'm looking for rival proposals regarding Solar System Governance (SSG). How should this Solar System be run? Who should run it? Who presently owns and operates this Solar System? Are these important questions...or not?

    I'm going to keep requesting rival proposals for the governance of our Solar System. This is probably the most important issue facing us...yet there seems to be very little interest. It seems to me that we are sitting-ducks for enslavement and extermination. Are we incapable of ruling ourselves? This has been suggested to me on the internet...by someone who didn't sound like they were an Earth Human. Could they be right? Please consider and discuss this important issue...and prove them wrong. Could it be that we don't even want to rule ourselves? I hope the holes at the poles are well lubricated...

    An organized and rational forum for decision making (especially on the macro-level) will probably always be necessary. Perfected beings might not require government as we know it...but how many perfected beings have you seen walking around lately?

    Work, money, private-property, and commerce in general...are not bad things. Corruption and Irresponsibility are bad things. It is important to not throw out the baby with the bathwater. Constructive Competition is a good thing. If you don't believe in competition...then just agree with everything I say...and stop competing!

    When you surrender to the divine will...make sure you are not surrendering and submitting to ET.

    I've always had a problem with competition. I'm really not very competitive. Add the mixed messages in Christianity regarding competition...and I've turned out to be one very confused dude. My attempted resolution is to dump most of Christianity...and to focus on the core principle of Responsible Freedom...which includes Constructive Competition and Positive Response Ability. I wish I had done this a long time ago.

    There are a lot of artists who work at jobs which pay their rent...and then they follow their passion...whether they get paid for it or not. I play my keyboard (set to pipe-organ) at least 45 minutes a day. I don't want to work for a church at this point (mostly because of church politics and theological issues)...so instead of playing a $300,000 pipe-organ...I get to play a $300 keyboard. I improvise...and play the way I want to play. I have listened to...taken lessons from...and talked to some of the best in the business...but I have the most fun doing it my way. I still want to hear Lucifer improvise at Saint Sulpice in Paris...after this Solar System mess gets cleaned up. I'm very serious about this. This isn't a sarcastic joke.

    Try watching Bloomberg or CNBC...and try reading the Wall Street Journal. Seriously. This can help to provide a better perspective on money and commerce. Starving artists should not be anti-capitalist. This could help to explain why they are starving. Seriously. But I do agree that when someone makes 3 billion dollars in one year in the market...that is obscene...especially if they don't pump most of this money into worthy charities.

    Regarding governance...I am pro-minimalism and anti-corruption...but a certain amount of organization is necessary to pull this off.

    I was reading 'Behold a Pale Horse' by Bill Cooper last night...and his comments regarding Article 6 of the U.S. Constitution hit me like a ton of bricks. The founders envisioned patriots in government...rather than traitors...and may have unwittingly provided an achilles heel for the enemies of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom. Article 6 reads as follows (with slight changes in wording to provide Solar System language):

    Article 6.

    "All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States of the Solar System under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.

    This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States of the Solar System which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States of the Solar System, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

    The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States of the Solar System and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States of the Solar System."

    Is this why the United Nations Charter supercedes the United States Constitution? Is this why the 1954 Greada Treaty (between ET's and the U.S.) supercedes the U.S. Constitution? Is this why we have 'One Nation Under God' instead of 'One Nation Under Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom'? Is the United States of America effectively an ET Human/Reptilian Theocracy...right now...even as I type?

    The deliberate circumvention of the Constitution should make treaties which supercede the Constitution...null and void (with extreme prejudice). However...I am presently removing the first two paragraphs of Article 6...as well as the 16th Amendemt from the Constitution for the United States of the Solar System. It pains me to do this...but evil humans and ET's have taken advantage of these loopholes...to fly a mothership through our airspace...and attempt to take over this land of the free...and home of the brave. Don't look now...but I think they've been successful...for a long, long time. We're just finding out about our servitude...and the terms of enslavement. And we thought we were free!

    The dogs have it exactly right. They love each other while they're playing and fighting with each other. Competition is game-playing...which is an important part of life. This is what gives life much of it's meaning. We have to keep testing ourselves and each other. This defines who we are.

    Tangentially...at the front of the U.S. Senate Chambers there is 'In God We Trust' (front and center) and fascist symbols (left and right). Is this representative of the hypothetical Zionist/Pleiadian/Theocratic/Sirius A and Teutonic Zionist/Aldebaran/Luciferian/Sirius B factions which battle for the heart and soul of this world? I'm thinking that both factions (if they exist) use Interdimensional Reptilians (if they exist)...and that Interdimensional Reptilians use both factions. Could all of the above be hopelessly out of control? Could this madness get everyone killed? I'm thinking that this is a very, very ancient and very, very bitter conflict...and that everyone involved has lots and lots of baggage...and that it could involve all of us. Perhaps it is just as well that we don't remember our past lives...which could go back millions or even billions of years.

    Why wouldn't the proposal in the first post be workable to all sides? Is the hatred too deep? What are the real issues? I think I know some of them...but not all of them. I'm sure each side has it's legitimate grievances and aspirations...but will there be anything left when one side is finally triumphantly victorious? I'm seeing an inappropriate rebellion (Luciferian Human/Reptilian?) against an inexcusable wrong (Human/Reptilian Theocracy?)...creating millions of years of horrors and atrocities (War in Heaven and Earth?). When is enough...enough?

    I don't trust the supernatural realm (internally or externally)...especially considering our current state of psychological/ethical/spiritual development...or lack thereof. I worry about entering a Reptilian Disneyland of the Wannabe Gods when delving into the inner and outer realms.

    Some people spank something other than their dog...to achieve resolution. This path to Nirvana could lead to spiritual blindness.

    Seriously...are there any supporters or opponents of the first post of this thread? The silence is deafening.

    We're beating this subject to death. We need to move on to issues of the Solar System. I'm very serious about this thread (especially the first post). Again...this is a 2+2=4 solution. It's hidden in plain sight. Please give it some thought...and imagine what the actual functioning of such an arrangement might be like. When you really, really think about it...it starts to get exciting. Call this 'masturbation of the mind' if you like...but once you see the light of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...in the context of the U.S. Constitution...in the context of the United Nations...and applied to the entire Solar System...you'll never go back. I have a dream...and it's not a dry idea.

    The U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights (with the minimal modifications in post #1) is really quite simple...and there are more than 200 years of usage to study. Plus...there is significant momentum and understanding of this form of government. The absence of a defining legal document which maximizes Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...is an invitation to tyranny and theocracy...with or without ascension. If we don't go the constitutional route as a Solar System...we will undoubtedly be governed by ET...like we already seem to be. Are the Interdimensional Reptilians the enforcers of the quarantine? Is the quarantine necessary because we are freedom-seekers? Will Earth Changes and the Seven Last Plagues be caused by 'God' to break our backs and wills...to make us ascend into a Human/Reptilian Theocracy...just like the good old days?

    I'm not trying to be difficult or stubborn. This is totally an experiment. I'm a rebel without a clue. Even if I'm lucky enough to be right...someone else would have to make this work. I have no connections or power...and I'm too $crewed-up to do much of anything with this concept. I'm basing a lot of this on unproven assumptions. I'm just trying to get people to think about this subject. Every U.S. citizen should be a Constitutional Scholar. Then the abuses would be minimized.

    The sad state of the U.S. is not the fault of the U.S. Constitution. If you drive your car without oil...and the engine seizes-up...don't blame the car manufacturer. Article 6 and the 16th Amendment are a puzzle to me. They seem to be the Achilles heels of the Constitution. We need to clean house...and completely eliminate the infiltration and subversion of our country. Everything WILL BE EXPOSED. The bright lights are being turned on...and the rats are running like hell.

    This is a new way of looking at life in general...and the Solar System in particular.

    "Like it or not, everything is changing. The result will be the most wonderful experience in the history of man...or the most horrible enslavement that you can imagine. Be active or abdicate. The future is in your hands." ~William Cooper, 11 - 24 - 89

    Someone asked "How many planets are there, exactly, in this solar system? Are there more orbiting on the other side of the sun, this star, at about the same distance from it, so we continuously don't know about their existence? Why should earthlings determine what the 'Constitution' of this star system ought to be? Or, is it better to be preemptive, take initiative! to have something in hand already? Is there already a greater 'Constitution' that encompasses other solar systems? Or does everyETone just make sh^t up, to the best of their collective ability and judgment?"

    Could these 'planets' possibly be mother ships? Earthlings simply need to become more responsible. If there is a pre-existing Solar System Constitution which is based upon Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...I'd like to see it posted on this thread...without delay. I really think this general idea has legs...but maybe not in this thread. I feel a bit like a pesky insect which mostly annoys. I feel a bit like John the Baptist...preparing the way. This thread may contain fundamental flaws...but I think that the general idea is sound. But it's going to take some very competent people (Earth Humans and Extraterrestrial Humans) to make this thing work. Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom applied to the entire Solar System. Hold that thought.

    I'm still interested in hearing support, criticism, and rival ideas. I'm taking this thing both lightly and seriously. This thread is mostly a combination of brainstorming and pre-existing ideas and documents. I'm trying to re-invent the wheel...without re-inventing the wheel.

    Exposing the infiltration and subversion of not only the United States...but the whole world...will clarify the issues. This is occurring presently. Promoting Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom as a principle and concept will enable the Constitution to be used properly...and will minimize the corruption which is presently maximized. We've got to be a lot more informed and responsible to make this work. Otherwise...we will need to be treated like little children...by our 'saviors'. Article 6 and the 16th Amendment are seemingly problematic...and I have removed them from the 'Solar System Constitution'. Perhaps we need an additional amendment to clarify Article 6 and the 16th Amendment in our current U.S. Constitution...so that NOTHING is allowed to subvert or supersede the Constitution.

    This thread is on life-support...and I will keep bumping it...at least until December 21, 2012. I'll probably stop on December 22, 2012...because it will probably be too late for it to do any good. There seems to be a small window of opportunity at this time to gain a legitimate and lasting freedom for humanity. Once again...this thread may be fatally flawed...but where are the rival constitutions and points of view?

    The following is a link to the final chapter of a free online book which is mostly about Dulce and Deep Underground Military Bases. It's a collection of materials...mostly from the 80's and 90's. I don't know if it is generally accurate or not...but it does present a chilling view of what might be down there. The truth is down there. This final chapter includes what might be benevolent alien advice for dealing with the malevolent aliens. Even if it is complete fantasy...I found myself transfixed by the possibilities. Please read it, and tell us what you think! http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/dulce/chapter34.htm Here is the section which caught my eye:

    Valerian then quotes the following words of one Procyonese star-traveler by the name of KHYLA, who revealed the following to an un-named earth woman with whom he had established contact:

    "...Tyrants have been defeated many times on many planets, in countless solar systems and galaxies. How strange it is that as soon as one tyrant of any species is thought to be banished forever another always, but ALWAYS, takes his place. The idealistic revolutionaries who defeated King George III in America went on to oppress the Indians and Blacks. Many of those who fought most courageously against the Axis powers of fascism later became fascists themselves, as is demonstrated by the present plight of the Palestinians, Afghans, Chileans and Nicaraguans. Yes, you must try to regain control of your government, but if so much as one individual involved in this process has not first gained control of his or her selfhood, it will be for naught. One can never defeat or gain control of anything but oneself. Those destined to ouste the Rigelians must always keep track of the state of their selfhood, and learn first to defeat within themselves the essence of that which is tyranny. Through this type of awareness, they will know when to and when not to act. Through understanding a hostile entity to be but one of the ineffable's countless facades, it loses its power over you. Through the ability to wisely perceive a hostile entity, you may gain control of it. In overcoming the Rigelians, one must take great precautions not to become oneself the enemy."

    Or, as the old Chinese proverb says:

    "BEWARE WHEN FIGHTING A DRAGON THAT YOU DO NOT BECOME ONE!"

    Khyla, the Procyonese Intelligence agent, continues:

    "The only way to victory is through the strength of your consciousness. When genetic or other manipulations are being performed on abductees, the Grays expect them to cringe in fear, and derive a second-hand high from the intensity of the emotions expressed. If instead of cringing in fear, an abductee can put his or her mind elsewhere, focusing attention on dynamic protective imagery of a religious or mystical nature, it decreases the gratification that the Grays are getting from their second-hand high, and it confuses them. Center the consciousness on something so different from what they expect that it puzzles them.

    (Note: In most cases the image of an empty red or crimson CROSS seems to be especially debilitating to the Grays. For instance the legendary soldier-saint, St. George, reputedly wore a shield with a red cross emblazoned on a white background. Whether one believes that the dragonslayers existed or not, the legend itself claims that the Christian dragon-slayers of Europe more-or-less marked the end of the dragon race's infestation of the old world. One such legend concerned the city of Silene, Libya which had been plagued by a draconian beast for a long period of time. The king of the city had offered up sheep and livestock in an effort to appease the beast. However the time came when all the livestock had been used up, and this was when human sacrifices were chosen, by lot, to appease the fearsome beast. One day the lot fell on the king's own daughter, and the grieved king, honoring his word, allowed her to be taken and tied to the post outside of the city gates. As the beast was about to pounce upon the princess, so the story goes, Saint George appeared in shining silver armor and -- before the beast knew what was happening -- the soldier-saint had pierced it through with his lance and rescued the princess, who later became his wife. Whether or not such legends have any basis in reality, the story nevertheless symbolizes the unconscious animosity between 'Saints' and 'Serpents'. If we are to believe the legends, then this was only one of the many 'vermin' -- as they were referred to in those ancient times -- which St. George had vanquished during his life, and although not the only dragon-slayer of legend, he was perhaps the most renowned. - Branton)...

    "The only reason the Grays have such a degree of dominance over you is because your elected officials stupidly made clandestine agreements with them, binding you to them in an exclusive alliance that is respected by other space races, allowing them to install themselves in underground bases impregnable to your weaponry, a situation you must now find a way to extricate yourselves from (Note: In that the Grays have repeatedly violated these treaties, they should legally be considered null and void. In fact since the Executive branch of the U.S. government was taken over by a fascist CIA coup d'etat in 1963 at the time of the John F. Kennedy assassination -- AS WERE the governments of several other countries throughout the world where CIA backed military coups resulted in the establishment of fascist puppet dictatorships -- should we not consider the Executive branch of government which made the 'treaties' with the Greys, to be null and void as well? It certainly was not Congress who authorized such 'treaties'. - Branton)

    "In antiquity this planet was divided into sectors between four different groups: Blonds, Grays, large lizard-like beings [now connected with] the Capella system, and beings [now connected with] the Arcturus system. These groups still consider themselves to be the owners of this planet. They do not recognize the human claim to ownership. However, some of us do recognize human rights, as well as the rights of other life-forms...

    "The Grays are having problems not only within their own ranks, but also on other planets they have colonized. As a species they are afflicted with severe, perhaps terminal, health problems (a weakness that can and should be exploited. - Branton). They have substantial captive populations of Blond, human and other prisoners of war, eager to join a revolt at the slightest opportunity...

    "One must be rational in attempting to fight back, and understand the proper way to proceed. Your own consciousness is the most potent weapon that is available to you at the present time. The most effective way to fight the Grays is to change the level of your consciousness from linear thinking to multi-dimensional awareness. Your secret weapon, your ace in the hole, is that you are not hive-minded collective thinkers, though many of you do fall into that category by conforming to conventional group-patterns, and are therefore easily controlled by the Grays. It is your INDIVIDUALITY which is your best weapon, because it is the one weapon you have that the Grays do not have. The major weakness of the Grays, their area of vulnerability, their Achilles heel, is their inability to think as individuals. They are an extremely telepathic high-tech society, but as individuals they are not creative thinkers. They take orders well, but they do not conceptualize well. They have the technology to throw your planet out of orbit, but there is one key ability that you have and they do not have: the ability to hold in mind imagery that inspires an individual to realize his or her direct personal connection to the source of ALL THAT IS, which is the ineffable Godhead, no matter what name you may call it. That is your key to victory..."

    Regarding the 'Declaration of Human Sovereignty' in the first post...what if we are Renegade Pleiadians from Aldebaran...who came here (or were dumped here?)...and possibly waged war against native reptilians and/or humans...under the leadership of Lucifer? If this is true (or a similar scenario)...would Earth really be our 'Homeworld of Genesis'? Do we really have a legitimate right to be here? Are we the real extraterrestrials? These are not rhetorical questions. I really don't know. I'm tired of the run-around. I want the truth...and nothing but the truth...so help me whoever.

    Should this Solar System be a haven for benevolent beings of all races? Are human beings necessarily the good-guys...and are other races necessarily the bad-guys? Should all hard-core malevolent beings be exorcised from the Solar System...human and otherwise? Should all benevolent beings be allowed to remain...even if they are reptilians and greys? How would we know who is truly benevolent and who is truly malevolent?

    I'm torn regarding the wording of the 'Declaration of Human Sovereignty'. Help me out here. I'd like to just let someone else handle everything...but I have lost confidence in the existing administration of this Solar System. Unfortunately...the whole truth is unavailable...so I get to try to sort this out while flying blind and flying stupid. Bad combination.

    I wish we could have a thread with the Zionist Leader (Pleiadian?), Teutonic Zionist Leader (Aldebaran?), Draconian Leader (duh!), and Responsible Freedom Leader (Andromedan?)...and sort this thing out. I'm really, really tired of the lies and stupidity. I want out...but perhaps things are even worse everywhere else. Perhaps this madness is as good as it gets! I hope not...but one never knows.

    Please watch these two complementary episodes of Stargate SG1 with this thread in mind. Both episodes made me cry.

    1. http://www.fancast.com/tv/Stargate-SG-1/91998/1063988439/The-Torment-of-Tantalus/videos

    2. http://www.hulu.com/watch/68254/stargate-sg-1-the-fifth-race

    Thank-you for your interest and responses. I just want this general topic to be given some serious consideration. If we don't get governance right...everything else will be wrong. If we do get governance right...everything else will eventually fall into place. But I don't think that things will ever be easy. Utopia may simply mean the absence of enslavement and extermination. There will always be huge problems for this civilization to face. I'd simply like to see us become a 1 or 2 civilization...instead of being a 0 or -1.

    Placing Responsibility Education at the core of public and private education should go a long way towards creating the type of people who are necessary for a truly free society. This will make the documents in the first post more than just @#%&*^ pieces of paper. From what I have heard and read...Bill Cooper, Alex Collier, Manly Hall, Jesus Christ, et al would agree.

    Please watch those two linked Stargate episodes. They deal with 'meaning of life stuff'...and touch on a type of Galactic United Nations. It's very hard for me to summerize and do proper justice to these superb episodes.

    1. http://www.fancast.com/tv/Stargate-SG-1/91998/1063988439/The-Torment-of-Tantalus/videos

    2. http://www.hulu.com/watch/68254/stargate-sg-1-the-fifth-race

    There is a heretical component to the first post. I am proposing that the documents, principles, and concepts of the first post essentially become a minimalist religion of sorts...replacing Scripture, Canon-Law, etc. Obviously...this would have to be completely voluntary...or it would defeat the whole concept of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom.

    Aldbebaran is a star system...supposedly where renegade Pleiadians (who may be here on Earth) are from. See the thread titled 'What is Gizeh Intelligence'? http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=11123&highlight=giza+intelligence Human Beings suddenly appear in the geologic record. There is no missing link. In fact...there would have to be many missing links...not just one. See the thread titled 'Tell Me Who I Am'. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=14402&highlight=orthodoxymoron Instead of going from the Swamp to the Stars...I think it may have been the other way around. If so...what does that do to the effectiveness of the 'Declaration of Human Sovereignty'? I'm leaning toward the idea that if you're here and good...then stay. But if you're here and really bad (hard-core malevolent)...then leave...at least until you learn how to play nice. Don't go to Hell...just go to Nibiru! I don't want Earth to be the Prison Planet Insane Asylum of the Universe.

    I just modified the 'Declaration of Human Sovereignty' in the first post. I removed the 'homeworld' references...because I don't really know where we are really from...but I do believe that we have every right to remain here...but that we need to be a helluva lot more responsible. I would also like to know what the Creator God of the Universe aka Founders aka Ancients...intended for Humanity in general, and Earth in particular. I continue to think that the benevolents should stay...and that the malevolents should leave. This would include humans and non-humans.

    I also indicated that ET bases should probably not be destroyed...because they might be necessary for the defense of the Solar System...and that we might need the help of benevolent ET's for Solar System Security (SSS).

    I do not intend bullying or conquest...just that things should settle down in this Solar System...and that it should be a haven for benevolent beings of all races. I have included only Humans in the authoritative role...because I don't know the true nature of any other races. Hell...I don't even know the true nature of the Human Race! We can be extremely dangerous. We need to chill.

    Tell me what you think about these modifications. Are these founding documents ready for showtime? I repeat that this is an experiment. This is a test. This is only a test. My hope is that those with real power and connections will consider the principles and concepts contained in threads such as this one, and in other sources...and really do this thing the right way. I don't have a clue as to how this should or could be done. I'm just trying to get humans and non-humans to rationally think this thing through. I'm still working on it myself! What do you think Lucifer / Amen Ra? What do you think Satan? Can we move ahead with a smooth transition of power? I know that I'm a rebel without a clue...but I think this sort of thing is the next logical step...in what seems to be a very illogical Earth, Solar System, and Universe. We can all do better...don't you agree?

    Wouldn't it be quite amazing if a young woman...or a young androgynous person...has been running things here on Earth...for thousands of years? 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3A6_blpqpU 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmwKws5JaIM&feature=related I see one human soul...reincarnating through hundreds or thousands of bodies...living in an underground stargate temple complex (under the Giza Plateau?)...for centuries and millenia. I see this one human soul behind all of the major religions. I also could be very wrong. I'm just trying to specialize in speculation which is rooted in honest research and reflection.

    The reptilian phenomenon puzzles me. Who controls who? Did Hathor / Amen Ra use reptilians as guards and soldiers, etc? Or...did reptilians possess and control Hathor / Amen Ra to control the world? Perhaps Hathor / Amen Ra was (and is?) fighting battles on many fronts...as a sort of a mediator/negotiator...to keep light on the Earth (or to keep the Earth enslaved?). Perhaps few people know how much it really costs...in blood, sweat, tears, and gold...to keep life and light on the Earth. I'm seeing both a rational and irrational being...a kind and cruel being...a sort of Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde. This could go with the territory of being a deity. I truly think it would be best if we could evolve to the point where we would not need to have any gods.

    But our politicians need to go through an educational process...fit for a king. Each politician should probably have the equivalent of two doctorates...in multidisciplinary and governmental studies. Politicians should have to take batteries of tests to prove that they are fit to be the equivalent of kings (for limited periods of time...to avoid corruption and insanity). Too much power for too long...is a recipe for disaster. Power corrupts...and absolute power corrupts absolutely. I don't want tyranny and theocracy...but I also don't want a bunch of corrupt and stupid nitwits...running amok in a make believe democracy...owned by the banks and media moguls...who take orders from off-world entities.

    There should be at least 10,000 people...worldwide...who know everything about everything...and could assume supreme leadership in a very competent manner...without prior notice. One would have to competitively join this group...in order to run for high office. I just want this world to be cleaned-up and run properly. We probably need the City-States and the United Nations...but not in their current state. They need to be completely reformed and purified...if this is even possible. If it's not possible...then we need to start from scratch.

    What I am really interested in...is the Administration of the Solar System...going back thousands or even millions of years. I'm just not seeing the Founders (or whoever superimposed intelligent design upon an evolutionary canvas - resulting in the bodies and souls of humanity) at work in this Solar System. It's almost as if something catastrophic happened to the Founders (or equivalent)...and all we have left is the Creation and the Holy Spirit of the Founders Within All of Humanity. This is one reason why I am interested in the concept of Namaste...which includes the Reverence for Life philosophy of Albert Schweitzer...and Seeing Christ in All Persons (Christ in You...the Hope of Glory). The Kingdom Within may be much more than merely a figure of speech.

    There may have been a lot of smoke and mirrors (holograms and magic?)...truths and half-truths...used to manage the people of the world...for good and for ill...throughout history. I just think we can do better presently...and that we need to move on to bigger and better things. I continue to think that the true history of the universe is very sad and violent...and that Full Disclosure will be almost unbearable. Jesus said 'I have many things to tell you...but you can't bear them.' We may have to bear these things (and more?) in the near future. Will we respond responsibly? Are we safe to save?

    I don't think that it would be good to be king. It might be a necessary evil...at times...but I don't consider the royal model to be the epitome of divinity.

    Solar System ownership and governance probably supercedes almost every other subject IMO. I'd like to hear a wide variety of opinions. So far...I am rather discouraged by the lack of interest. I don't care if anyone agrees with me or not. I just want to see some indication of interest and knowledge in this matter. This is basic.

    If the Universe is a Theocracy...then if the Universal PTB allow Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom here...they might have to allow it everywhere. This seems to be a Planet in Rebellion...and we seem to be at a crossroads. Will we be reigned back into the Universal Church Theocracy...or will We the People of Earth rule ourselves with Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom? This is one perspective (mine)...and the actual situation and terminology might be quite different.

    Please keep asking questions and thinking creatively regarding Solar System ownership and governance. This thread represents just one possibility regarding proper governance. It's a big idea...a True Universal Order. I don't really know what the true state of affairs is in this Solar System or Universe...and we probably need to consider all of the possibilities. Leave no moon-rock unturned.

    In a sense...a Government is a Church...and a Church is a Government. They are two sides of the same coin. The question is 'What is the nature of the Church and the Government?' To stop preaching...and go to meddling...'How would the Roman Catholic Church function if it were based upon Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...and was in complete harmony with the US Constitution, Bill of Rights, and the Teachings of Jesus? Would a Pope be elected by the general membership every four years? Would the Teachings of Jesus, the US Constitution, Bill of Rights, and the Will of the People...supercede Canon Law, the Curia, the Pope, the Black Pope (and whoever the Black Pope takes orders from)? Would this create chaos...or would it minimize evil and corruption? For Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom to work...the Roman Catholic Church would have to go along with it...and looking at history...this would be nearly impossible. The RCC is the biggest 'We Never Change Church' imaginable. The Sirius Powers That Be would have to order it done...or it would be a non-starter. For Sirius (and Alpha Draconis?) to sign-off on this...We the People of Earth would have to exhibit a significant level of Knowledge and Responsibility. There is presently a Forbidden Knowledge Explosion...and the BIG question is 'Will We the People of Earth Respond Responsibly?' How about a non-penetential and non-sacrificial Ecumenical Namaste Mass based upon the Latin Mass...Celebrating the Divinity Within Humanity? Now I'm really meddling! I'm an abominable heretic...yet I prefer the glory, grandeur, reverence, and awe of the traditional service...rather than the 'Jesus is my buddy, show-up in shorts and a t-shirt, praise-song, hippie reefer-madness'. 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94sa1Byb7fw 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Veof_APhkkQ&feature=related 3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XL4PO9jIj2I&feature=related 4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq8i69-L-Fs&feature=related 5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxBjqrPAUg8&NR=1

    I am unrepentantly orthodoxymoron. Here I stand. Now what do I do?

    Someone commented "If a religion is running a government, it is called a theocracy. Some muslim countries are run by their religious leaders. But many other countries have governments that are not run by a religion (hopefully USA is still one), or they may have dictators, or they may be run by a monarchy. So I suggest you check your facts. Here is a place to start:
    http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/gov_gov_typ-government-type]http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/gov_gov_typ-government-type "

    Which facts do you suggest that I check? I suggest that you check the words at the front of the U.S. Senate Chambers...and the words at the center of the back of the dollar bill...and the words of the Pledge of Allegiance. My point was that there are religious aspects to all governmental systems...and there are governmental aspects to all religious systems. Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom would bow to the Divinity Within Humanity rather than bowing to an external deity...who could possibly be more evil than righteous...and could be an alien from Sirius (the Prince of Sirius)...and could be ruling the U.S. through the U.N., Bilderberg, C.F.R., etc. Blind obedience...without questioning and cross-examination...is extremely dangerous. Question Authority. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABfZ2UsvWtY&feature=related

    Constitutional Theocracy: http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Constitutional-theocracy

    "Constitutional Theocracy is a form of government in which within the context of a modern democracy a particular religion is granted a central role in the legal and political system. In contrast to a pure theocracy, power resides in political figures operating within the bounds of a constitution, rather than religious leadership. A form of government (also referred to as a system of government or a political system) is a system composed of various people, institutions and their relations in regard to the governance of a state. ... Theocracy is a form of government in which a religion and the government are intertwined..."

    Could the United States of America be under a Constitutional Theocracy presently? Could the United States of America have always been under such a Constitutional Theocracy? See Article 6 of the U.S. Constitution. Was the 1954 Greada treaty simply an extension of this hypothetical Constitutional Theocracy? http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/future.htm Is the U.N. Charter superceding the U.S. Constitution a further expansion of a Constitutional Theocracy?

    There's a helicopter hovering over my house as I type...and I'm not kidding! I doubt that it's because of what I'm typing...but one never knows! I make such posts with zero hostility. I simply wish to place light on the subject.

    Please consider this thread http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=206737#post206737 in the context of the United States of the Solar System...regarding Battlestar Galactica and the United Nations. I was very impressed. This is a step in the right direction.

    Could the Cylons be the equivalent of the Reptilians. If so...are there theocratic implications? The Cylons were monotheistic. Is Battlestar Galactica really the story of Human Beings (us) coming to Earth? Is Battlestar Galactica really Nibiru, the Moon, and/or the Ark of the Covenant? If so...what was the covenant? Did we have to cut a deal with the Devil to come to Earth? If so...did that deal involve the servitude to, and worship of, the Reptilian Race...who might own and operate the Solar System...and be the Gods of a Universal Chruch? Are we presently trying to back out of that deal? Could this be why there is all the talk about 'Earth Changes', '2012', the 'New World Order', etc? If all of the above is true...what would convince the Reptilians to adopt Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom as the Modus Operandi of the Solar System? Who knows? The Shadow Government? Lord Draco? Lucifer? Hathor? Amen Ra? Jesus Christ?

    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    This article is about the fictional beings in Battlestar Galactica. For related meanings, see Cylon.

    A model of a new series Cylon Centurion. The Cylons are a cybernetic civilization at war with the Twelve Colonies of humanity in the Battlestar Galactica science fiction franchise, in the original 1978 and 1980 series, the 2003 reimagining, as well as the spin-off prequel series, Caprica. In the 1978 series, the Cylons is also the name of the race (Reptilians?) who created the robot Cylons (Greys, Hybrids, PLF'S?).

    The nature and origins of Cylons differ greatly between the two Galacticas. However both series feature Cylon Raiders, Cylon Basestars and Cylon Centurions. The prequel series, Caprica, focuses on the creation of the Cylons, which differs from all the previous Battlestar Galactica series.

    The Cylons of the 1978/1980 series are not the mechanical foils seen throughout the series, but an advanced reptilian race who created the robots (who were referred to as Cylons within the show) to serve them, maintain their vast empire and to man their military forces in the face of a sudden population drop that eventually led to the Cylons' extinction — seemingly overnight. This fact is briefly mentioned in the 1978 movie-length premier of the series (near the end of episode 2 in syndication) when Apollo relates the Cylons' origin to Boxey. In the episode "War of the Gods", during Count Iblis's private discourse with Count Baltar, Baltar mentions that he recognizes Iblis's voice, referring to Patrick Macnee's voicing of the Imperious Leader in the opening episode/theatrical movie (Macnee also played Iblis), with Iblis countering that if that was true it must have been "transcribed" over a thousand yahren (years) ago and programmed into the mechanical body of the Imperious Leader.

    The follow-up series Galactica 1980 had a two-episode arc entitled "The Night the Cylons Landed" that featured a humanoid Cylon, though unlike its successors in the post-millennial reimagining, it was not organic, but a complex mechanical construct.

    The Cylons of the 2003 miniseries and 2004 Battlestar Galactica series are fundamentally different from the Cylons of the original 1978/1980 series. In the new version, the Cylons were created by humans as cybernetic workers and soldiers. As in the original series, the Cylons destroy almost the entire human civilization, chasing a few ship-borne survivors into deep space. Unlike the original series, however, the reimagined series includes twelve Cylon models that are nearly indistinguishable from human beings. Although these human-form Cylons are the focus of the series, alongside the humanoid models there are also Centurions similar to those in the original series. Much of the Cylons' technology is based heavily on bioengineering and/or synthetic biology rather than conventional robotics. Humans often derisively refer to Cylons as "toasters," due to the resemblance of the Cylon centurions from the first Human/Cylon war (the design of which is based on that of the centurions from the original series) to "walking chrome toasters", as described by Gaius Baltar in the miniseries. The humanoid models are referred to as "skin-jobs" to differentiate the two variants.

    In contrast to the reason for the original Cylons' genocidal mission, religion is the primary motivation of the Cylon race in the re-imagined series. They consider humans to be sinful and flawed creations who therefore do not deserve to survive. In the original series the Cylons, an aggressively expanding empire, declared war on Humanity because they intervened on behalf of a race of beings called the Hasaris who had been enslaved by the Cylons and who had sought the aid of the Colonials.

    In the reimagined series universe, the term Cylon stands for Cybernetic Lifeform Node.[1]

    http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=62495

    Less than 20 people have posted on this thread...and it seems that only about half of them have been supportive of the concepts of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom and the United States of the Solar System. It seems to me that the Powers That Be and the Custodians of the New World Order have very little to worry about. Jordan Maxwell is probably 100% correct. The New World Order seems to be a Fait Accompi. Resistance is Futile.

    "Most people do not really want freedom, because freedom involves responsibility, and most people are frightened of responsibility." -- Sigmund Freud

    :roll1::wall::sweatdrop::shocked::zip::lightsabre:

    It may sound crazy...but my only hope at this point...is for the Powers That Be...and that includes the Vatican, the Illuminati, the Pleiadians, the Sirians, the Aldebarans, the Nibiruans, the Draconians, Hollywood, New York, the City of London, et al...to choose to do the right thing...and implement something like Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom from the top down. Otherwise...I frankly don't see it happening. Just giving people the facts won't cut it. Edwin Bernays and Sigmund Freud were absolutely correct in their cynical views concerning the general public. The Awake and Aware don't seem to care...so do you really think that Joe the Plumber is going to give a rat's @$$?? A Solar System Exorcism would be a Hail Mary solution...but I wouldn't count on it. A popular uprising would just get a lot of people hurt and killed...and would solidify the power and authority of the existing PTB. In fact...they may be hoping for a popular uprising...to provide an excuse for executing the finishing touches of total tyranny and enslavement. Then Disclosure can safely occur...wherein we will meet our Extraterrestrial Gods and Goddesses...who undoubtedly will suggest that we kneel...in no uncertain terms.

    Matthew 23

    1.Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:
    2."The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.
    3.So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.
    4.They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
    5."Everything they do is done for men to see: They make their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their garments long;
    6.they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues;
    7.they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them 'Rabbi.'
    8."But you are not to be called 'Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers.
    9.And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
    10.Nor are you to be called 'teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ.
    11.The greatest among you will be your servant.
    12.For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
    13."Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.
    15."Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.
    16."Woe to you, blind guides! You say, 'If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.'
    17.You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?
    18.You also say, 'If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is bound by his oath.'
    19.You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred?
    20.Therefore, he who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it.
    21.And he who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it.
    22.And he who swears by heaven swears by God's throne and by the one who sits on it.
    23."Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law--justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
    24.You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
    25."Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.
    26.Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.
    27."Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean.
    28.In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
    29."Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.
    30.And you say, 'If we had lived in the days of our forefathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.'
    31.So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets.
    32.Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your forefathers!
    33."You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?
    34.Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.
    35.And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
    36.I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation.
    37."O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing.
    38.Look, your house is left to you desolate.
    39.For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.' "


    I appreciate that Gnosis5. I don't read the Bible very much...and I don't go to church anymore. I think a lot about meaning of life stuff...but I overdosed on scripture and church in the past...so I draw upon my memory banks when considering a lot of the subjects I rant and rave about.

    I love theology...but not in the context of most churches. I love choirs, pipe organs, and sacred music...but not in the context of most church services. I'm too idealistic...and I know too much...to be able to enjoy church attendance...at this point.

    I think people should study theology and listen to sacred music...in the context of nature...which is more beautiful than the most elaborate cathedral. A theological/political solution will emerge...which wil be a sort of secular spirituality...which will be balanced and highly ethical...and will rely heavily on subjects which presently seem to be science fiction.

    I think we're going to make it...but we may go into tyranny for awhile...while we work out the internal conflicts resulting from disclosure...with all of it's implications and ramifications.

    PLEASE watch this video where Battlestar Galactica Meets the United Nations. http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-5534741958288968182&ei=jW0uS4rWGs_Q-Aab9NXUAw&q=old+movies&hl=en#docid=5280005988835138050 This is the sort of thing which should occur each and every day at the United Nations. I really was impressed with this special program. Also, see post #129 above.

    I'm thinking there is a Human God of This World (Lucifer?)...and a Reptilian God of This World (Satan?)...with a real zoo of Human and Reptilian Gods and Goddesses throughout the Universe...all separate and distinct from the Founders, Ancients, Creator God(s) of the Universe. I'm also thinking that all of the religions of the world...go back to Ancient Egypt...have a common author...and are a mixture of truth and error. Despite the absurdities and horrors of this world...could this be as good as it gets in the present Universe? If the Human and Reptilian Gods of This World agreed to jointly institute Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom throughout the Solar System...what would the implications and ramifications be throughout the Universe? Would the Empire Strike Back? Or...would it be Morning in the Universe? Are the Humans and Reptilians who are 'out there' a lot worse than the ones who are here on Earth? I know that's hard to imagine...and I hope it ain't so. I'm sensing a history of Regressive Human and Reptilian Theocracies...going back millions or billions of years. Could this present generation be the last generation to exist under a Regressive Theocracy or Universal Church? Hope springs eternal. As always...this is simply brainstorming intuitive conjecture...and in need of a helluva lot of further study. The people we love to hate may not have a lot of choices regarding what goes on at the highest levels of Earth's Governments and Religions...which are very possibly secretly intertwined...and taking orders from a Nine-Foot Tall Draconian Reptilian...under the Giza Plateau or the Dark Side of the Moon. I hope that's just another Big-Foot story! Say it isn't so Lord Draco!!

    PLEASE watch this video where Battlestar Galactica Meets the United Nations. http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-5534741958288968182&ei=jW0uS4rWGs_Q-Aab9NXUAw&q=old+movies&hl=en#docid=5280005988835138050 This is the sort of thing which should occur each and every day at the United Nations. I really was impressed with this special program. Also, see post #129 above.

    The first part of the linked video clip...which contains a segment from BSG (beginning @ 07:00)...states that THE CYLONS (REPTILIANS?) WERE A HUMAN INVENTION THAT EVOLVED, AND DESTROYED THEIR CREATORS...AND THAT THE LAST SURVIVING HUMANS ESCAPED ON BATTLESTAR GALACTICA...IN SEARCH OF A NEW HOME ON EARTH. Is this representative of OUR history...and why we are in such a big @#$%^&* mess??? Who owns and operates this Solar System? More to the point: Who owns YOU? Who REALLY runs YOUR life? Regarding the last several posts: Are WE the equivalent of the Cylons? Did we evolve and destroy our creator(s)? The state or fate of the Founders/Ancients/Creator God(s) is crucial to our state or fate. You can ignore or dislike me...but do not ignore the issues and questions of this thread. Are there no exopoliticians out there? What the hell is going on here? Considering all of the possibilities from all angles all the time is probably a good idea. Leave no moonrock unturned.
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    The following is a short section from the previous post. The most interesting parts to me, are in bold print. From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. This article is about the fictional beings in Battlestar Galactica. For related meanings, see Cylon.

    A model of a new series Cylon Centurion. The Cylons are a cybernetic civilization at war with the Twelve Colonies of humanity in the Battlestar Galactica science fiction franchise, in the original 1978 and 1980 series, the 2003 reimagining, as well as the spin-off prequel series, Caprica. In the 1978 series, the Cylons is also the name of the race (Reptilians?) who created the robot Cylons (Greys, Hybrids, PLF'S?).

    The nature and origins of Cylons differ greatly between the two Galacticas. However both series feature Cylon Raiders, Cylon Basestars and Cylon Centurions. The prequel series, Caprica, focuses on the creation of the Cylons, which differs from all the previous Battlestar Galactica series.

    The Cylons of the 1978/1980 series are not the mechanical foils seen throughout the series, but an advanced reptilian race who created the robots (who were referred to as Cylons within the show) to serve them, maintain their vast empire and to man their military forces in the face of a sudden population drop that eventually led to the Cylons' extinction — seemingly overnight. This fact is briefly mentioned in the 1978 movie-length premier of the series (near the end of episode 2 in syndication) when Apollo relates the Cylons' origin to Boxey. In the episode "War of the Gods", during Count Iblis's private discourse with Count Baltar, Baltar mentions that he recognizes Iblis's voice, referring to Patrick Macnee's voicing of the Imperious Leader in the opening episode/theatrical movie (Macnee also played Iblis), with Iblis countering that if that was true it must have been "transcribed" over a thousand yahren (years) ago and programmed into the mechanical body of the Imperious Leader.

    The follow-up series Galactica 1980 had a two-episode arc entitled "The Night the Cylons Landed" that featured a humanoid Cylon, though unlike its successors in the post-millennial reimagining, it was not organic, but a complex mechanical construct.

    The Cylons of the 2003 miniseries and 2004 Battlestar Galactica series are fundamentally different from the Cylons of the original 1978/1980 series. In the new version, the Cylons were created by humans as cybernetic workers and soldiers. As in the original series, the Cylons destroy almost the entire human civilization, chasing a few ship-borne survivors into deep space. Unlike the original series, however, the reimagined series includes twelve Cylon models that are nearly indistinguishable from human beings. Although these human-form Cylons are the focus of the series, alongside the humanoid models there are also Centurions similar to those in the original series. Much of the Cylons' technology is based heavily on bioengineering and/or synthetic biology rather than conventional robotics. Humans often derisively refer to Cylons as "toasters," due to the resemblance of the Cylon centurions from the first Human/Cylon war (the design of which is based on that of the centurions from the original series) to "walking chrome toasters", as described by Gaius Baltar in the miniseries. The humanoid models are referred to as "skin-jobs" to differentiate the two variants.

    In contrast to the reason for the original Cylons' genocidal mission, religion is the primary motivation of the Cylon race in the re-imagined series. They consider humans to be sinful and flawed creations who therefore do not deserve to survive. In the original series the Cylons, an aggressively expanding empire, declared war on Humanity because they intervened on behalf of a race of beings called the Hasaris who had been enslaved by the Cylons and who had sought the aid of the Colonials.

    I continue to speculate that the Human Race was somehow an illegal creation -- by conceptualization and/or implementation. I also continue to see Three Key Archangels (Interdimensional-Reptilian Queens?) lurking in the shadows. Are we essentially dealing with Three 'Annas' in fundamental conflict with each other? Is there one distinctly Draconian-Reptilian 'Anna'? Is there one Hybrid 'Anna' (with a very high level of Reptile Genetics)? Is there one 'Anna' who is Mostly Human (with a very low level of Reptile Genetics)? Is this 'Human Anna' the one in the middle? Stuck in the Middle with You (with clipped-wings)? I don't know -- and I'm not sure I want to know. What I do know is that I am VERY afraid -- for legion reasons. What were we before we became human? It might fighten us. What will we be after we are no longer human? This might frighten us even more. Just more conjecture, to make us think. The horror. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qiu-CEylTOM&feature=related
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    The attitudes of just about everyone lead me to believe that goodness, reason, and responsibility are punished in this universe. I think I might've tried to change this modus operandi (lifetime after lifetime), and I think I might pay dearly and finally for doing so -- and I frankly doubt that anyone will REALLY give a damn for more than five-minutes -- before stepping on my cold carcass -- and moving on to bigger and better things -- in a universe without orthodoxymoron and without compassion. "Ding Dong! The Ding Dong's Gone!" Right??? No further questions??? I hope you all find that which you seek. But for now -- I have more questions. Just because I ask questions, doesn't mean I haven't found the truth. Just try to answer a few of my many questions. Give it your best shot! Should I be thinking in terms of a clean-sheet of paper approach to Law, Government, and Religion? Perhaps I've spent more than enough time attempting to pour new-wine into old-wineskins! Perhaps I need to delete all of my threads -- and begin again with the word 'Responsibility' -- and create something new and exciting! Do I need to create a new legal system? Do I need to create a new governmental system? Do I need to create a new religion? Do I need to integrate Law, Government, and Religion into a Unified-Whole Based Upon Responsibility? Tell me what you think. I'll give it some serious thought, and get back to you.

    OK, I'm thinking that the focus should be on a Solar System Legal System Based Upon Responsibility -- which would also be the Governmental and Religious System! I know that sounds dangerous, but I like to live dangerously! Perhaps I need to take a closer look at Cannon Law. Is there a past or present legal system which also serves as a governmental and religious system? I feel creepy and sick when I consider such things. My chills are colder than usual when I think such thoughts. I feel completely at sea right now. I feel like a lost soul. Where do I look for a proper legal model which is also governmental and religious in nature? Should I look for a book on Comparative Legal Systems? Should I speak with a Cannon Lawyer? Should I speak with a Constitutional Lawyer? Perhaps I should begin by reading a dictionary, and applying responsibility to each and every word. What is the Moral Foundation of Law? What is Natural Law? Should I read a Business Law Textbook? Given the existing legal systems throughout the world -- what is the common denominator? Could a legal system be devised which would work well throughout the solar system? Should I read the 'Annals of Air and Space Law'? What about the '1967 Outer Space Treaty'? Does the United Nations have a Legal System which the member nations have signed-off on? What would the people at the Vatican tell me if they could really speak freely and honestly? What would a Vatican and Responsibility Based Solar System Legal System look like??!! Now that's getting REALLY scary!! You have to understand my religious background to understand how scary that really is!! Once again, I think we need to consider as many possibilities as possible before rendering a verdict in this matter -- or any matter -- for that matter!!! I think I may need to read a 'Black's Legal Dictionary'. http://blackslawdictionary.org/ What about the Law in Romans? What about the Law in Galatians? What is the relationship between Law and Grace? What are the legal implications and ramifications of the Substitutionary Atonement -- especially pertaining to Responsibility and Freedom? Should the Responsible be Free -- and the Irresponsible be Imprisoned? Who should define 'Responsibility'? Some say that we cannot legislate morality -- but what is law -- other than legislating morality? Think about it! Another thing. Consider relistening to Bill Cooper's 1989 MUFON lecture on UFO's and the Secret Government. That one always makes my hair stand on-end!!! What is the Galactic Legal System? What about Reptilian Law? Don't laugh! There might be a helluva lot to these last two questions -- and they might have everything to do with Solar System Law.

    Do the 'Ten Commandments' apply equally to ALL beings in the universe -- including God? Do they apply only to Earth Humans? Do they apply equally to yesterday, today, and forever? What would the world be like if the 'Ten Commandments' were strictly enforced today -- by force of law -- throughout the world? Do any of you keep the 'Ten Commandments'? Why don't Christians keep the Seventh-Day Sabbath -- from Sundown Friday to Sundown Saturday? I have recently proposed that Every Day Should be a Sabbath-Day -- with Most Every Activity Being Considered Sacred -- with a Sabbath-Attitude existing throughout the world 24/7 -- and church attendance being highly-recommended, but not required. Have you really thought through what Sabbath-Keeping really entails? If I long for the sun to set, so I can watch a ball-game in progress -- is that Sabbath-Breaking which could cause me to lose out on Heaven, and die eternally -- physically and soul-wise? Are there any excuses for sinning? Why does God appear to sin in the Old Testament? Why all the contradictions, confusion, and absurdities? Is this on purpose? Is this part of our punishment for who knows what Ancient Transgressions? Should one day of the week be more holy than any other day of the week? Was Earth and it's inhabitants really created in Six Literal Days -- with God Resting on the Seventh-Day Sabbath? I Value a Very High Ethical Standard -- Very Highly -- But is This Very High Ethical Standard Found in the 66 Books of the Canonical Scriptures aka God's Word, the Holy Bible? Should we construct a Responsibility-Based Ethical System? What is the proper role of the Sacred Scriptures and Apocalyptic Literature? What about the Book of Enoch? Do we really live in a Retribution, Annihilation, and Utter Destruction Universe -- Ruled by Vengeful Deities who expect Absolute Obedience -- No Matter How Cruel and Unusual the Orders Might Be??? Is 'Just Following Orders' a valid defense? Finally, I wish to make it clear that a lot of what I post is pragmatic in nature -- and it is intended to incrementally make things better for everyone. I faithfully kept the Seventh-Day Sabbath for decades -- but I finally realized that converting the world to this plan wasn't going to happen -- and that the best scriptural principles and concepts probably needed to be applied to modern society -- in new and innovative ways. I just haven't seen my way clear to effect such idealism in a rebellious and irresponsible world. I'm simply not willing that any should perish in a Final Judgment and Apocalypse. Now -- or Later. On the other hand -- at some point -- will a certain individual have to say 'Let Him That is Righteous be Righteous Still -- and Him That is Filthy be Filthy Still'? Will the curtain have to be closed with terrible finality? You still don't get this -- do you?

    Namaste and Have a Nice Day!
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Mon Mar 12, 2012 3:46 pm

    I wanted to give Space Law some quality time. Here are some links to get the ball rolling, so to speak. I've been playing softball -- but now it's time to play hardball. Why haven't I explored this field previously??? I could never, ever get accepted into a Space Law program -- and in light of my current and strange multidisciplinary activities, I doubt that I could graduate from such a program. However, I think I need to read as many Space Law books and papers as I possibly can -- and I need to watch as many recorded lectures and court proceedings as possible. OMG!! I think this might be the Motherload of Solar System Governance Studies. I'd like to study Space Law, Constitutional Law, and Cannon Law -- just for the hell of it. Some Reptilian Religious Studies and Reptilian Anatomy and Physiology would be sort of cool too!! But then, I should probably study Mothership Propulsion and Weapon Systems -- just to balance things out. Intergalactic Banking might come in handy as well! Regarding the 2011 Outer Space Treaty -- What do we know about the Weaponization of the Galaxy and Universe? If we live in a Galaxy and Universe which is hostile to Humanity -- how might we defend ourselves if we do not weaponize the Solar System? Also, I'm not real keen on the United Nations and the U.N. Charter -- especially if it trumps the U.S. Constitution and Congress. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KctBozDDwLg

    1. United Nations Office for Outer Space Affairs http://www.unoosa.org/oosa/SpaceLaw/index.html

    2. The Space Review http://www.thespacereview.com/article/381/1

    3. Air University http://www.au.af.mil/au/

    4. International Institute of Space Law http://www.iislweb.org/

    5. Island One Society http://www.islandone.org/

    6. International Air and Space Law Association http://www.spacemoot.org/

    7. Space Law Probe http://spacelawprobe.blogspot.com/

    8. Space Academy http://www.spaceacademy.net.au/spacelaw/splawguide.htm

    9. University of Wisconsin--Madison http://fti.neep.wisc.edu/neep602/FALL97/LEC39/lecture39.html

    10. Studies in International Space Law (Book) http://www.amazon.com/Studies-International-Space-Law-Cheng/dp/0198257309

    11. Space Law on You Tube https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=space+law&oq=space+law&aq=f&aqi=g5g-m4&aql=&gs_sm=3&gs_upl=9236l14992l0l31169l9l9l0l1l1l0l187l1060l1.7l8l0

    12. Wikipedia Space Law Link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_law

    Space law is an area of the law that encompasses national and international law governing activities in outer space. International lawyers have been unable to agree on a uniform definition of the term "outer space," although most lawyers agree that outer space generally begins at the lowest altitude above sea level at which objects can orbit the Earth, approximately 100 km (62 mi).

    The inception of the field of space law began with the launch of the world's first artificial satellite by the Soviet Union in October 1957. Named Sputnik 1, the satellite was launched as part of the International Geophysical Year. Since that time, space law has evolved and assumed more importance as mankind has increasingly come to use and rely on space-based resources.

    Beginning in 1957, nations began discussing systems to ensure the peaceful use of outer space.[1][2] Bilateral discussions between the United States and USSR in 1958 resulted in the presentation of issues to the UN for debate.[1][3][4] In 1959, the UN created the Committee on the Peaceful Uses of Outer Space (COPUOS).[5] COPUOS in turn created two subcommittees, the Scientific and Technical Subcommittee and the Legal Subcommittee. The COPUOS Legal Subcommittee has been a primary forum for discussion and negotiation of international agreements relating to outer space.

    Five international treaties have been negotiated and drafted in the COPUOS:

    The 1967 Treaty on Principles Governing the Activities of States in the Exploration and Use of Outer Space, including the Moon and Other Celestial Bodies (the "Outer Space Treaty").
    The 1968 Agreement on the Rescue of Astronauts, the Return of Astronauts and the Return of Objects Launched into Outer Space (the "Rescue Agreement").
    The 1972 Convention on International Liability for Damage Caused by Space Objects (the "Liability Convention").
    The 1975 Convention on Registration of Objects Launched into Outer Space (the "Registration Convention").
    The 1979 Agreement Governing the Activities of States on the Moon and Other Celestial Bodies (the "Moon Treaty").
    The outer space treaty is the most widely-adopted treaty, with 100 parties. [6] The rescue agreement, the liability convention and the registration convention all elaborate on provisions of the outer space treaty. UN delegates apparently intended[according to whom?] that the moon treaty serve as a new comprehensive treaty which would supersede or supplement the outer space treaty, most notably by elaborating upon the outer space treaty's provisions regarding resource appropriation and prohibition of territorial sovereignty. [7] The moon treaty has only 13 parties, and many consider it to be a failed treaty due to its limited acceptance. [8] India is the only nation that has both signed the moon treaty and declared itself interested in going to the moon. India has not ratified the treaty; an analysis of India's treaty law is required to understand how this affects India legally. [9]

    In addition, the 1963 Treaty Banning Nuclear Weapon Tests in the Atmosphere, in Outer Space, and Under Water ("Partial Test Ban Treaty") banned the testing of nuclear weapons in outer space.

    The five treaties and agreements of international space law cover "non-appropriation of outer space by any one country, arms control, the freedom of exploration, liability for damage caused by space objects, the safety and rescue of spacecraft and astronauts, the prevention of harmful interference with space activities and the environment, the notification and registration of space activities, scientific investigation and the exploitation of natural resources in outer space and the settlement of disputes." [10]

    The United Nations General Assembly adopted five declarations and legal principles which encourage exercising the international laws, as well as unified communication between countries. The five declarations and principles are:

    The Declaration of Legal Principles Governing the Activities of States in the Exploration and Uses of Outer Space (1963)
    All space exploration will be done with good intentions and is equally open to all States that comply with international law. No one nation may claim ownership of outer space or any celestial body. Activities carried out in space must abide by the international law and the nations undergoing these said activities must accept responsibility for the governmental or non-governmental agency involved. Objects launched into space are subject to their nation of belonging, including people. Objects, parts, and components discovered outside the jurisdiction of a nation will be returned upon identification. If a nation launches an object into space, they are responsible for any damages that occur internationally.

    The Principles Governing the Use by States of Artificial Earth Satellites for International Direct Television Broadcasting (1982)
    Activities of this nature must be transpire in accordance with the sovereign rights of States. Said activities should "promote the free dissemination and mutual exchange of information and knowledge in cultural and scientific fields, assist in educational, social and economic development, particularly in the developing countries, enhance the qualities of life of all peoples and provide recreation with due respect to the political and cultural integrity of States." All States have equal rights to pursue these activities and must maintain responsibility for anything carried out under their boundaries of authority. States planning activities need to contact the Secretary-General of the United Nations with details of the undergoing activities.
    The Principles Relating to Remote Sensing of the Earth from Outer Space (1986)
    Fifteen principles are stated under this category. The basic understanding comes from these descriptions given by the United Nations Office for Outer Space Affairs:

    (a) The term "remote sensing" means the sensing of the Earth's surface from space by making use of the properties of electromagnetic waves emitted, reflected or :diffracted by the sensed objects, for the purpose of improving natural resources management, land use and the protection of the environment;
    (b) The term "primary data" means those raw data that are acquired by remote sensors borne by a space object and that are transmitted or delivered to the ground :from space by telemetry in the form of electromagnetic signals, by photographic film, magnetic tape or any other means;
    (c) The term "processed data" means the products resulting from the processing of the primary data, needed to make such data usable;
    (d) The term "analysed information" means the information resulting from the interpretation of processed data, inputs of data and knowledge from other sources;
    (e) The term "remote sensing activities" means the operation of remote sensing space systems, primary data collection and storage stations, and activities in :processing, interpreting and disseminating the processed data.[11]
    The Principles Relevant to the Use of Nuclear Power Sources in Outer Space (1992)
    "States launching space objects with nuclear power sources on board shall endeavour to protect individuals, populations and the biosphere against radiological hazards. The design and use of space objects with nuclear power sources on board shall ensure, with a high degree of confidence, that the hazards, in foreseeable operational or accidental circumstances, are kept below acceptable levels..."

    The Declaration on International Cooperation in the Exploration and Use of Outer Space for the Benefit and in the Interest of All States, Taking into Particular Account the Needs of Developing Countries (1996)
    "States are free to determine all aspects of their participation in international cooperation in the exploration and use of outer space on an equitable and mutually acceptable basis. All States, particularly those with relevant space capabilities and with programmes for the exploration and use of outer space, should contribute to promoting and fostering international cooperation on an equitable and mutually acceptable basis. In this context, particular attention should be given to the benefit for and the interests of developing countries and countries with incipient space programmes stemming from such international cooperation conducted with countries with more advanced space capabilities.International cooperation should be conducted in the modes that are considered most effective and appropriate by the countries concerned, including, inter alia, governmental and non-governmental; commercial and non-commercial; global, multilateral, regional or bilateral; and international cooperation among countries in all levels of development."

    The COPUOS operates on the basis of consensus, i.e. all committee and subcommittee delegates must agree on treaty language before it can be included in the final version of a treaty, and the committees cannot place new items on their agendas unless all member nations agree. One reason that the U.N. space treaties lack definitions and are unclear in other respects, is because it is easier to achieve consensus when language and terms are vague. In recent years, the COPUOS Legal Subcommittee has been unable to achieve consensus on discussion of a new comprehensive space agreement. It is also unlikely that the Subcommittee will be able to agree to amend the Outer Space Treaty in the foreseeable future. Many space faring nations seem to believe that discussing a new space agreement or amendment of the Outer Space Treaty would be futile and time consuming, because entrenched differences regarding resource appropriation, property rights and other issues relating to commercial activity make consensus unlikely.

    In addition to the international treaties that have been negotiated at the United Nations, the nations participating in the International Space Station have entered into the 1998 Agreement among the governments of Canada, Member States of the European Space Agency, Japan, Russian Federation, and the United States of America concerning cooperation on the Civil International Space Station (the "Space Station Agreement"). This Agreement provides, among other things, that NASA is the lead agency in coordinating the member states' contributions to and activities on the space station, and that each nation has jurisdiction over its own module(s). The Agreement also provides for protection of intellectual property and procedures for criminal prosecution. This Agreement may very well serve as a model for future agreements regarding international cooperation in facilities on the Moon and Mars, where the first off-world colonies and scientific/industrial bases are likely to be established. [12]

    Space law also encompasses national laws, and many countries have passed national space legislation in recent years. The Outer Space Treaty requires parties to authorize and supervise national space activities, including the activities of non-governmental entities such as commercial and non-profit organizations. The Outer Space Treaty also incorporates the UN Charter by reference, and requires parties to ensure that activities are conducted in accordance with other forms of international law such as customary international law (the custom and practice of states).

    The advent of commercial space activities beyond the scope of the satellite communications industry, and the development of many commercial spaceports, is leading many countries[which?] to consider how to regulate private space activities. [13] The challenge is to regulate these activities in a manner that does not hinder or preclude investment, while still ensuring that commercial activities comply with international law. The developing nations are concerned that the space faring nations will monopolize space resources. [14]

    Satellites in geostationary orbit must all occupy a single ring above the equator, approximately 35,800 km into space. The requirement to space these satellites apart means that there is a limited number of orbital "slots" available, thus only a limited number of satellites can be placed in geostationary orbit. This has led to conflict between different countries wishing access to the same orbital slots (countries at the same longitude but differing latitudes). These disputes are addressed through the ITU allocation mechanism.[15] Countries located at the Earth's equator have also asserted their legal claim to control the use of space above their territory,[16] notably in 1976, when many countries located at the Earth's equator created the Bogota Declaration, in which they asserted their legal claim to control the use of space above their territory.[17]

    While this field of the law is still in its infancy, it is in an era of rapid change and development. Arguably the resources of space are infinite, and limited only by our ability to use them in a manner that is fair and equitable to all nations and which is environmentally ethical. If commercial space transportation becomes widely available, with substantially lower launch costs, then all countries will be able to directly reap the benefits of space resources. In that situation, it seems likely that consensus will be much easier to achieve with respect to commercial development and human settlement of outer space. High costs are not the only factor preventing the economic exploitation of space: it is argued that space should be considered as a pristine environment worthy of protection and conservation, and that the legal regime for space should further protect it from being used as a resource for Earth's needs.[18][19] Debate is also focused on whether space should continue to be legally defined as part of the “common heritage of man,” and therefore unavailable for national claims, or whether its legal definition should be changed to allow private property in space.[20][18][21]

    Michael Dodge, of Long Beach, Mississippi, is the first law school graduate to receive a space law certificate in the United States.[22][23] Dodge graduated from the National Center for Remote Sensing, Air and Space Law at the University of Mississippi School of Law in 2008.[24][25]

    The University of Sunderland is the first UK University to offer a space law module as part of its LLB programme.[citation needed] [26]

    The University of Nebraska College of Law offers the U.S.’s first and only LL.M. in space and telecommunications law.[27] Professor Frans von der Dunk, former Director of space law research at Leiden University joined the program in 2007. In addition to the LL.M., students can earn a J.D. at Nebraska Law with an emphasis in space and telecommunications law. The program also hosts three space and telecommunications conferences each year [28][Full citation needed]

    From more than 10 years, the University Paris-Sud with the Institute of Space and Telecommunications Law offer a Master's degree in Space Activities and Telecommunications Law. This Master is supported by numerous companies of space and telecommunications sectors.[29]

    Space archaeology, the law as related to preserving cultural heritage from space sites
    Metalaw
    Andrew G. Haley
    Ernst Fasan
    Space policy
    Space policy of the United States
    Institute of Space and Telecommunications Law
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    ^ http://www.itu.int/ITU-R/conferences/seminars/mexico-2001/docs/06-procedure-mechanism.doc
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    ^ Lee, K. (1994) Awe and humility: intrinsic value in nature – beyond an earthbound environmental ethics, in: Attfield, R. & Belsey, A. Philosophy and the Natural Environment, Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 89-101
    ^ Fountain, L. (2003) Creating the momentum in Space: ending the paralysis produced by the “Common a Heritage of Man” doctrine, Connecticut Law Review, 35(4), 1753-1787
    ^ Pop, Virgiliu (2009). Who Owns the Moon?: Extraterrestrial Aspects of Land and Mineral Resources Ownership. Space Regulations Library. Springer. ISBN 978-1402091346.
    ^ The Daily Mississippian: UM space law only of its kind
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    ^ Law Graduation Includes First-Time Certificate in Space Law, Newswise, May 8, 2008
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    ^ http://spacelawprobe.blogspot.com/2007/09/nebraska-space-law-program-to-liftoff.html
    ^ http://spaceandtelecomlaw.unl.edu
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:53 pm

    Do we need some sort of a "God" to keep us from enslaving and exterminating each other -- or would some sort of a "God" save us the trouble by enslaving and exterminating us without human intervention? Should a "Solar System God" be separate and distinct from the "Really Big and Powerful God"? Is "God" a "Committee"? If not, should "God" be a "Committee"? Do we need checks and balances? Does "God" need checks and balances? Is international, interplanetary, and intergalactic warfare inevitable? As I continue to contemplate Solar System Governance -- I'm seeing nothing but problems regarding all of the above. Why are "Technology and Money" often reverenced like some sort of a "New Age God"? What if we all lived in a Peaceful and Happy Low-Tech Solar System? Do we really need all of the fancy technology and weaponry? Do we really need to be capable of exterminating ourselves with the click of a mouse? When is enough really enough regarding technology? When will we have enough weapons of mass destruction? Should all states and countries have nuclear weapons? Should we weaponize space? Have we already weaponized space? Do we need to defend ourselves against ET -- or do we simply have to defend ourselves from each other? We seem to be very skilled at allowing things to spiral out of control. I've been somewhat critical of a hypothetical "Queen of Heaven" and "God of This World" -- but do we really need some sort of "Queen of Heaven" and "God of This World"? How and When Will We Achieve a Proper Balance of Power in This Solar System?

    My life is quite miserable -- mostly because I keep thinking about all of the above. I do most of this to myself -- yet I think unseen entities 'assist' me as I descend into madness. I've placed quite a bit of 'new food for thought' on the table in the past few days -- and no one is 'biting' -- as usual. Frankly, the only one who has REALLY spoken with me in any real depth regarding "My Quest" was that Ancient Egyptian Deity I keep fleetingly referring to -- who I spoke to over several months -- several months ago. Unfortunately, we seemed to be somewhat in conflict with each other -- but in a very polite and cordial manner. This 'contact' or 'close encounter' is NOT ongoing -- for better or for worse -- I know not. It was sort of cool in one way -- yet it scared the hell out of me. They told me that in the past, "We Fought Side by Side" -- and that we were somehow related. They also seemed to be quite interested in the 'Nazi Phenomenon' and indicated that I should probably be researching it. This really frightened me -- for a variety of reasons. The bottom-line is that I continue to think that we are in more trouble than we can possibly imagine. I will NOT sell my soul to You Know Who to obtain a Seat at the Table. The Immoral Minority screwed-up BIG TIME trying to get their damned 'Seat'. Idiots.

    I see that the view-count for this thread has stopped in it's tracks. There never was much commenting -- yet there seemed to be a lot of viewers (or at least a lot of repeat viewers). All activity connected with this thread (other than mine) seems to have dried up completely. Perhaps I should just watch and take notes, at this point -- rather than continuing to delude myself into thinking that I might be able to change things in some small way. Perhaps that time has passed (if it ever existed at all). I've said way too much already -- and I suspect that if I had said these kinds of things in public meetings -- with the force and charisma I know I am capable of -- I doubt that I'd be alive today. I have purposely kept this thing low key. I will continue to keep mostly silent about all of this madness -- at least until a somewhat reformed version of the PTB decides to do something with it -- but I won't hold my breath waiting for something exciting to happen. But be very, very careful to guard against poison-pills, aimed-asteroids, and a scorched-earth policy. Focusing upon Principles and Concepts -- rather than Triumphalist Transitions -- might be wise is so many ways. I simply wish for things to work out well for All Concerned. I simply wish to Move On to Bigger and Better Things. Think on these things. I continue to point toward areas of study -- mostly as mental and spiritual treadmills. I am constantly adding disclaimers and warnings. There are so many slippery-slopes and so many completely-ignorant-fools to slide down them -- and then sue!! The 'Sovereignty of God' is a slippery-slope case-in-point. If one embraces the concept, one might become a Pious-Zombie who might Commit Mass Murder in God's Name. On the other hand, if one rejects the same concept, one might become a Self-Styled System-Lord -- in Rebellion Against Peace and Righteousness. I have recently sought to solve this problem by Simultaneously Accepting and Rejecting the 'Sovereignty of God'. And yes, the Devil is in the Details.

    I just think something went very wrong in the Garden of Eden (however one defines it). 'The God's of Eden' by William Bramley, 'Rule by Secrecy' by Jim Marrs, and 'The Great Controversy' by Ellen White -- are very interesting and chilling -- to me anyway. I continue to think of Earth as being a 'Prison Planet in Rebellion' with a Key Prosecuting-Attorney as an 'Angel of Satan' to buffet us, reign us in, and bring us back into the fold, so to speak. Most of the universe inhabitants might be forbidden to have contact with us -- with a few exceptions. Perhaps we are being 'taught a lesson' or left to 'stew in our own juice'. "You all made your bed -- so sleep in it -- and see how you like it -- while the rest of us watch!!!" I don't know what's been going on, but I suspect that it's been very, very bad and horrific. This horror seems to be ongoing. I value serious Bible-Study -- yet the Bible story might be a very truncated and distorted account. I continue to expose myself to all manner of madness and speculation -- to attempt to achieve at least a fleeting view of the way things REALLY are. So far, I don't like what I'm seeing -- even though the chase has been somewhat thrilling.

    What if the United Nations adopted a very refined and properly adapted version of the U.S. Constitution -- to replace the U.N. Charter? What if the General Assembly gained power? What if the Security Council relinquished power? What if the United Nations continued meeting in its present location? What if the U.N. managed the cooperation of nations on Planet Earth? What if the United States of the Solar System were headquartered in San Francisco, at St. Mary's Cathedral? What if the U.S.S.S. (with a highly refined and properly adapted version of the U.S. Constitution) managed interplanetary and intergalactic cooperation? What if the University of Solar System Studies and Governance were headquartered at the University of California at Berkeley? What if the Monarchy and Papacy became less geopolitical? I continue to fly-blind in all of this -- so take me seriously -- but not too seriously. I'm not necessarily looking for a 'seat at the table' (especially if it's the 'Seat of Satan') -- just 'access to everyone and everything of importance, a live-feed to all proceedings of any siginificance, and the serious consideration of my questions and proposals'. What if the 'Secret Government' were absorbed into the United States of the Solar System? What if the United Nations became much more transparent -- with a 'live podcast' of most (or all) proceedings? One more time -- I'm not Anti-Other-Than-Human. I'm simply trying to help clean up the mess in this solar system. The ancient conflicts and deals might have EVERYTHING to do with resolving the madness (or with making satisfactory resolutions impossible). I would not have a problem with meeting with the other-than-human beings portrayed in the drawings seen on the internet (if they really exist). I wouldn't even have a problem travelling throughout the galaxy with them on one of their spaceships. I simply do not wish to be messed-with or eaten. I don't know who I am reincarnationally -- or of what fundamental race and rank I might be -- and this scares the hell out of me -- in more ways than you can imagine. Thinking about this has turned my life into a living-hell. Really.

    I heard a story from a reliable source that someone expressed sympathy to a priest regarding their being celebate -- to which the priest supposedly replied "I have lots of wives!" I spoke with a woman who suffered priestly sexual abuse. She is no longer Catholic. She is no longer religious. Period. I agree with Malachi Martin that the church is shot as an organization. Still, if the church is not properly purified and reformed, the human race is doomed. I still think there is a good-side and a bad-side to the Egyptian-Roman Empire and the Roman Catholic Church -- and I think that top-ranking Catholics know more about what's really going on than 99.99% of humanity. But this doesn't mean that I like them, believe their public statements, or desire to join the church. I'm presently overexposing myself to the Bach B-Minor Mass as I research this and that. I'm presently thinking that the Bach B-Minor Mass might be a very cool 'standard' mass -- without the human sacrificial aspects -- yet retaining the glory, grandeur, reverence, and awe of the traditional Latin Mass. The Bach B-Minor Mass is my preferred Latin Mass. I often prefer Sung Latin and Spoken English. I realize that I'm meddling -- but someone has to do it. Somehow the Egyptian-Roman Model of Politics and Religion seems to have been hijacked by beings (human and otherwise) who don't like humanity. Just more speculation.

    I'm presently very interested in the Monarchy, Papacy, Presidency, Queen of Heaven, God of This World, United Nations, Constitutional Law, Cannon Law, and Space Law. That should probably keep me busy, wouldn't you say??!! One more thing -- I just might decide to finish that Steamy Space Book -- after all, I'm single, and have no love life whatsoever -- so what do I have to lose? So what if no one approves or cares? Frankly my dears, I don't give a damn. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have some important matters to consider. What if the United States of the Solar System sessions were something similar to the following Moot Court session? Notice especially the 'Responsibility Arguments'. Imagine the proceedings occurring in a deconsecrated St. Mary's Cathedral, in San Francisco -- with robed participants. Think about it. BTW -- why not install a certain local 'organ for sale' (if it hasn't already been sold) as an 'Antiphonal Organ' at St. Mary's -- complementing the Trompettes En Chamade? I don't know if that would work -- but I think it would be a helluva lot of fun!!! It would be a Blast from the Past!!! What Would Dr. Soderlund Say? What Would Dr. Kraft-Cross Say? What Would Richard Purvis Say? What Would Monseigneur Bowe Say? Think about it. May LaForce '64 Be With You. What Would Fred Swann Say? Think about it. Once again, this thread is mostly intended to make all of us think. A much more formal version of this madness might very well emerge at a later date. Sometimes, to undo, one must overdo. Think about it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2MVcmMKrYY&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL544D4C140141E0D5 After watching Moot Court, consider watching this interview in 'Judges Chambers'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zKqc0oB44c What if the United States of the Solar System operated as a Galactic Moot Court for a couple of years -- before going authoritatively live??? I've been warned to not attempt to implement my ideas on too large of a scale. How big is too big? Was the Tower of Babel too big? Think about it.
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    orthodoxymoron wrote:Memorable quotes for "Battlestar Galactica" (2003) More at IMDbPro » http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0314979/quotes Note especially the last part of these show-quotes. I'm trying to jazz this thread up to try to get some discussion going.

    Laura Roslin: I don't know why I have to keep telling you this, but the war is over.
    Adama: It hasn't begun yet.
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    Helo: Aren't you Gaius Baltar?
    Baltar: I haven't done anything.
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    [Starbuck's in the brig]
    Apollo: What's the charge this time?
    Starbuck: Striking a superior *******.
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    Adama: Sol, take personal command of the DC units.
    Tigh: [Looks incredulous] Me?
    Lt. Felix Gaeta: [to Adama] Sir, the stern thruster's still locked open. We need you.
    Adama: [Still to Tigh] You're either the XO, or you're not.
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    [first spoken lines in the show]
    Number Six: Are you alive?
    Boxey's Father: Yes.
    Number Six: Prove it.
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    Apollo: Are you sure this is a good idea?
    Starbuck: No... not really.
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    Adama: [watching Dualla and Keikeya flirting across the bridge] They better start having babies.
    Tigh: Is that an order?
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    [Talking to Starbuck over the radio]
    Adama: Morning, Starbuck, what do you hear?
    Starbuck: Nothin' but the rain.
    Adama: Grab your gun and bring the cat in.
    Starbuck: Aye-aye, sir.
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    Baltar: So now you're telling me, um, now you're telling me you're a machine?
    Number Six: I'm a woman.
    Baltar: You're a machine. You're a synthetic woman, a robot.
    Number Six: I've said it three times now.
    Baltar: Well, forgive me, I'm having the tiniest little bit of trouble believing that because the last time anybody saw the Cylons they looked more like walking chrome toasters.
    Number Six: Those models are still around. They have their uses.
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    [to a baby she later kills]
    Number Six: There, there. It's okay. You're not gonna have to cry much longer.
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    Number Six: What are you doing?
    Baltar: Phoning my attorney.
    Number Six: That won't be necessary.
    Baltar: Nah, he'll know what to do. He'll sort this out. He's the best in the business.
    Number Six: It won't be necessary because in a few hours no one will be left to charge you with anything.
    Baltar: What exactly are you saying?
    Number Six: Humanity's children are returning home. Today.
    [a nuclear detonation flares in the distance]
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    [his decommissioning speech]
    Adama: The Cylon War is long over, yet we must not forget the reasons why so many sacrificed so much in the cause of freedom. The cost of wearing the uniform can be high, but...
    [very long pause]
    Adama: sometimes it's too high. You know, when we fought the Cylons, we did it to save ourselves from extinction. But we never answered the question "Why?" Why are we as a people worth saving? We still commit murder because of greed and spite, jealousy, and we still visit all of our sins upon our children. We refuse to accept the responsibility for anything that we've done, like we did with the Cylons. We decided to play God, create life. And when that life turned against us, we comforted ourselves in the knowledge that it really wasn't our fault, not really. You cannot play God then wash your hands of the things that you've created. Sooner or later, the day comes when you can't hide from the things that you've done anymore.
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    [on the Galactica's 1-MC after news of the attack came in]
    Adama: This is the Commander. Moments ago, this ship received word of a Cylon attack against our homeworlds is under way. We do not know the size or the disposition or the strength of the enemy forces, but all indications point to a massive assault against Colonial defenses. Admiral Nagala has taken personal command of the Fleet aboard the battlestar Atlantia following the complete destruction of Picon Fleet Headquarters in the first wave of the attacks. "How? Why?" doesn't really matter now. What does matter is that as of this moment, we are at war. You've trained for this. You're ready for this. Stand to your duties, trust your fellow shipmates, and we'll all get through this. Further updates as we get them. Thank you.
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    Adama: We're in a shooting war. We need something to shoot.
    Tigh: I'll start checking munitions depots.
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    [looting the display Viper Mk.2s from the museum for combat duty]
    Starbuck: You sure they'll fly?
    Tyrol: Well, the reactor's still hot, so all we have to do is pull the rad buffers from the engine, refuel it, load the ordnance, and you're ready to go. The biggest problem is getting them over to the port launch bay.
    Starbuck: Why can't we use the starboard launch?
    Tyrol: It's a gift shop now.
    Starbuck: Frack me.
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    Apollo: Sir, "Apollo"'s just my call sign. My name's Lee Adama.
    Laura Roslin: I know who you are, but "Captain Apollo" has a nice ring to it, don't you think?
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    [a hallucinatory Number Six has shown Baltar an odd device on the DRADIS display console in the Galactica's CIC]
    Baltar: You're not helping.
    Number Six: I'm sorry. How can I help?
    Baltar: Well, for a start you can tell me what that is.
    Number Six: Honestly, I don't know.
    Baltar: Well, it hasn't exploded.
    Number Six: Yet.
    [Baltar gives her a shocked look]
    Number Six: I'm just guessing.
    Baltar: I have to warn them.
    Number Six: How do you propose to do that? "Oh look, a Cylon device." "Really? Well, how do you know what a Cylon device looks like, Doctor?" "Oh, I forgot to mention I'm familiar with their technology because I've been having sex with a Cylon for the last two years now."
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    Starbuck: Permission to speak off the record, sir?
    Tigh: Granted.
    Starbuck: You're a *******.
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    Laura Roslin: There's no Earth. You made it all up. President Adar and I once talked about the legends surrounding Earth. He knew nothing about a secret location regarding Earth, and if the President knew nothing about it, what are the chances that you do?
    Adama: You're right. There's no Earth. It's all a legend.
    Laura Roslin: Then why?
    Adama: Because it's not enough to just live. You have to have something to live for. Let it be Earth.
    Laura Roslin: They'll never forgive you.
    Adama: Maybe. But in the meantime I've given all of us a fighting chance to survive. And isn't that what you said was the most important thing, the survival of the human race?
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    Starbuck: I thought you were dead.
    Apollo: Well, I thought you were in hack.
    Starbuck: It's - it's good to be wrong.
    Apollo: Well, you should be used to it by now.
    Starbuck: Everyone has a skill.
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    Apollo: [to Starbuck] You are beyond insane!
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    Apollo: [both of their Vipers are attached together while trying to land on the Galactica] We're coming in a little hot, don't you think?
    Starbuck: [lying] No, not really.
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    Tigh: Where's your mother?
    Boxey: Dead. Where's yours?
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    [Number Six has just informed Baltar that she has used the access he has given her to the Defense Mainframe in order to commit espionage]
    Baltar: I had nothing to do with this. You know I had nothing to do with this.
    Number Six: You have an amazing capacity for self-deception. How do you do that?
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    Aaron Doral: [the Cylons cut through the doors to Ragnar Anchorage, and a crowd of humanoid Cylon copies walk through to find the Doral-copy Adama stranded there] We have to get out of this storm. The radiation affects our silica relays.
    Leoben Conoy: Where did they go?
    Aaron Doral: I don't know. They were prepared for a big jump.
    Aaron Doral: [a second copy of Doral in the Cylon crowd] We can't let them go.
    Number Six: Hmm, unfortunately I agree.
    Leoben Conoy: [a second copy of Conoy] If we do, they'll return one day and take revenge
    Number Six: [a second copy of Number Six] It's in their nature.
    Aaron Doral: We have no choice.
    Leoben Conoy: [a third copy of Conoy] It may take several decades to track them down.
    Lt. Sharon 'Boomer' Valerii: [Boomer walks into the room. Boomer is a Cylon] Don't worry, we'll find them.
    Number Six: By your command.
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    Captain of Colonial Heavy 798: Geminion liner 1701, this is Colonial Heavy 798.
    Captain of Colonial Heavy 798: [realizes that the newly-vowed president is behind him] No, strike that. This is Colonial One.
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    Adama: [sensing despair at the funeral service after the battle at Ragnor] Are they the lucky ones? That's what you're thinking, isn't it? We're a long way from home. We've jumped way beyond the Red Line into uncharted space. Limited supplies. Limited fuel. No allies. And now no hope! Maybe it would have been better for us to have died quickly back on the colonies with our families instead of dying out here slowly in the emptiness of dark space. Where shall we go? What shall we do? "Life here began out there". Those are the first words of the sacred scrolls. And they were told to us by the Lords of Kobol many countless centuries ago. And they made it perfectly clear that we are not alone in this universe. Elosha, there's a 13th colony of humankind, is there not?
    Priest Elosha: Yes. The scrolls tell us a 13th tribe left Kobol in the Early Days. They traveled far and made their home upon a planet called Earth, which circled a distant and unknown star.
    Adama: It's not unknown. I know where it is! Earth - the most guarded secret we have. The location was only known by the senior commanders of the fleet, and we dared not share it with the public. Not while there was a Cylon threat upon us. For now we have a refuge to go to. A refuge that the Cylons know nothing about! It won't be an easy journey. It will be long and arduous. But I promise you one thing. On the memory of those lying here before you, we shall find it. And Earth will become our new home. So say we all!
    Galactica Crew: So say we all!
    Adama: [louder] So say we all!
    Galactica Crew: So say we all!
    Adama: [very much louder] So say we all!
    Galactica Crew: [louder] So say we all!
    Adama: [standing at attention with the crew] So say we all.
    Priest Elosha: So say we all.

    President Ronald Wilson Reagan invigorated both Democrats and Republicans with a message of freedom and limited government! Remember the “Reagan Democrats?” Here is what Ronald Reagan had to say about freedom and government, “…man is not free unless government is limited. There's a clear cause and effect here that is as neat and predictable as a law of physics: As government expands, liberty contracts.”

    Americans have been conditioned to believe that democracy equals freedom. But democracy means majority rule, and may be antagonistic to freedom. A republic protects pre-existing rights. Our founding fathers clearly understood this, as is revealed in the Constitution and the Federalist Papers. Democracy is not mentioned in the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution. Our form of government is a republic, not a democracy!

    Freedom is freedom from government coercion. Our founding fathers created the least coercive government in history! The Constitution provides for a limited, decentralized government to primarily engage in foreign diplomatic relations, to secure national boundaries, and to provide a military defense of these boundaries. In other words...to deal with threats from without. The states were given the responsibility of primarily protecting individuals against criminal activity...to deal with threats from within. Uniquely, our government was created to protect the rights, liberties, and property of its citizens. The founding fathers believed that a democracy could quickly degenerate into tyranny!

    According to the Constitution, redistribution of wealth is none of the government's business! Hands off! Well meaning liberals support taking money from one person and giving it to another through taxation! If it’s not voluntary…it‘s stealing! Liberals believe in a God-like government which exists to create heaven on earth. This creates a hell of a mess! Liberals once defended civil, political, and economic liberties. What happened?

    Conservatives seek national greatness through all-powerful military and industrial strength. This creates a complex problem! Neo-conservatives are eager to create a one-world police state. Is this assessment inaccurate and unfair? Our military is in 130 countries! We are spending trillions of dollars overseas to violently promote democracy! Do the math!

    A theocracy is a constitutional theocracy on steroids! No freedom here. Not even the illusion of freedom. Believe and do what the state-church says God says...or face persecution...including death! The teachings of Jesus Christ reveal a minimalistic, decentralized religion. Certainly not a monolithic, dogmatic, dictatorial, arrogant union of Christ-less Christianity with a New World Order!

    America is a republic, not a democracy! We need to remember that the Constitution places limits on government that no majority can overrule. Both liberals and conservatives have forgotten this! Conveniently? No…they wouldn’t do that…would they?

    It seems to me that there has been a single God or Goddess of This World from before our arrival here...right up to this very moment. I'm leaning toward Goddess. Why couldn't a single being manifest as different beings? I think Lucifer got us all here...for the right or wrong reasons...for better or for worse...and then ruled secretly through Gods, Goddesses, Religions, Governments, etc. I get the feeling that the Reptilians look over Lucifer's shoulder...and tell him or her what to do to a significant degree. There could be a very tangled hierarchical web. Ignorance is probably bliss regarding this subject. I don't think there are very many of us who could handle the full impact of the situation we may be in. I want the Reptilians to back-off...and Lucifer to retire. I want We the People of Earth to rule ourselves responsibly and sovereignly...and for the Reptilians to do likewise. Then perhaps we can constructively interact on a limited basis. This might be a new beginning...but I don't know what the hell I'm talking about or what the hell I'm doing. I don't really know that Reptilians even exist. I've never met one...that I know of...although I have encountered unseen intelligences capable of manipulating physical objects. But they didn't introduce themselves...and I didn't really want them to either.

    1. http://www.fancast.com/tv/Stargate-SG-1/91998/1063988439/The-Torment-of-Tantalus/videos
    2. http://www.hulu.com/watch/68254/stargate-sg-1-the-fifth-race
    3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmwKws5JaIM&feature=related
    4. http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/rellis.htm
    5. http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/rellis2.htm
    6. http://www.hulu.com/watch/62967/stargate-sg-1-hathor
    7. http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-5534741958288968182&ei=jW0uS4rWGs_Q-Aab9NXUAw&q=old+movies&hl=en#docid=5280005988835138050

    Are Lucifer/Eve/Hathor/Isis/Mary all the same being? The Goddess of This World? The Hybrid Mediatrix Between the Reptilian (God) and Human (Man) Races? Theanthropos? The script-writer for all of the major religions? Are we merely actors and actresses on a stage called 'Earth: Theater of the Universe'? Were William Shakespere's works written by Francis Bacon? Or were they written by the Goddess of This World? Does a Reptilian/Human Theocracy exist throughout the Universe? Is this the Universal Church? Was the Original Sin committed in Lyra? What was this Original Sin? Did the Human Race Create the Reptilian Race as a Slave Race...and demand Work and Worship? Did the Reptilian Race evolve...and rebel against the Human Race...and win? Did the Reptilian Race proceed to do to the Human Race what had been done to them? If most of the above is true...can there be a reconciliation...or would this be impossible? Could Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom be successfully implemented by both races? Could the First and Last Commandment of the Universe be 'Thou Shalt Have No Gods'? Would this signal the end of Star Wars and Masters of the Universe? Would the Empire Strike Bach?

    Damned if I know.

    In my book...self-deification is self-delusion. The Divinity Within Humanity could very possibly be the Ethical and Spiritual Epitome of the Human Collective Unconscious. I seek the Exaltation of Humanity...not the Exaltation of Myself. I generally don't trust myself or even like myself...but the best which I see in those around me...is worthy of emulation. We need to stop placing 'special' individuals on a pedestal...and begin elevating all of humanity. This is much easier said than done.

    Why is there no substantive discussion of Solar System Governance (SSG)? Is this not important? Where are the alternative proposals? I'd even welcome a hatchet-job at this point. We may not be as free as we think we are if we can't even talk about who owns and operates the Solar System...and regarding how it should be run. Are our minds that overshadowed and tweaked? I'm seeing a total blackout regarding intelligent conversion regarding a most basic and important subject. Somebody please tell me what the hell is going on! Somebody please tell me where I can find people to talk to who are interested in SSG!

    It seems that fight and flight, greed and fear...dominates everything we think and do. I have appealed to none of these things...and have received almost no interest or response. If I had made people really, really mad at someone (like the government)...or made people really, really scared (of the aliens)...or come up with a get rich quick scheme (I'm still looking for one myself!)...or if I had lied and said that I was an Insider UFOnaut who visits the Pluto-Dudes every other day...there would probably be huge interest! Likewise...a thread about a certain part of the anatomy recently generated a massive response! This is why the PTB is kicking our collective @$$es...because they know how easy it is to manipulate us...and how shortsighted and superficial we really are...regardless of how much we delude ourselves about Ascension and Godship.

    Solving the world's problems is almost viewed with scorn. I sometimes wonder if it would be better to just be a greedy S.O.B...and then donate a million bucks to some charity...and be considered a benefactor of society. This is just a waste of time. We are probably facing unspeakable war, terrorism, and artificial bs 'earth-changes'...followed by anarchy and tyranny. I truly believe that the substance of this thread could prevent this...but my yelling that the bridge is washed out...isn't going to make people stop. They might catch a glimpse of what I was talking about...on the way down...when it's too late. "Of all the words that tongue can tell...the saddest are 'it might have been'." I may simply stop posting...sell my house...and move to a so called 'safe-place'...although I really don't think such places exist. Here is the cynical truth about ourselves. Please watch this four part BBC documentary video entitled 'The Century of the Self'...which chronicles the effect of Sigmund Freud, Edward Bernays, and others on marketing, mass manipulation, and politics...based upon the theory that the masses are dangerously irrational...and must be manipulated and controlled. http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=the+century+of+the+self&www_google_domain=www.google.com&emb=0&aq=0&oq=the+century+of+#q=the+century+of+the+self&www_google_domain=www.google.com&emb=0&aq=0&oq=the+century+of+&dur=3

    Once...while trying to promote self-governance...I received a response which did not seem to be human: "You can't rule yourselves". Part of another response was "Understand this: This is not your planet. Humans are not the most intelligent life on Earth". Maybe they were right...whoever the hell they were.

    Over and out.

    If what I am suggesting in this thread is ever to become a reality...the most powerful factions in the galaxy would have to agree to it. I see this as a top down evolutionary transformation...rather than a bottom up revolutionary upheaval. Ideally...no one would really notice the changes. No running in the streets. No war-crimes tribunals. No hangings. Just Key Earth Humans, Key Native Reptilians, Key Extraterrestrial Humans, and Key Extraterrestrial Reptilians agreeing to move in a new direction. For all I know...they may have been planning something like this all along. I have no idea how this transformation should occur...but I think that it's a logical next step...even if this next step takes several decades. I really don't think the Galactic PTB want to be boxed into a corner or appear to be forced to do anything. It really needs to be THEIR IDEA. I really shouldn't expect too much...too soon. This is not an original idea. It's simply a modified pre-existing good idea. Why reinvent the wheel if it is not absolutely necessary. I'm going to think and live as though the first post is a done deal. It makes so much sense to me. It is globalist...and non-nationalistic...but yet completely respecting all people...and facilitating responsible freedom. The first post really is the essence of my religious and political views...but I'd still like to see an Ecumenical Namaste Latin Mass...Celebrating the Divinity Within Humanity.

    Once again...a top down paradigm shift with all deliberate speed would be optimal. The Humans and Non-Humans in charge of the U.N. and the City States will have to make the essence of this thread THEIR IDEA...or it will be a non-starter. Once again...this thread is a test. This is only a test. I guess...for now...what I would like to see...is for RESPONSIBILITY to be placed at the center of EVERYTHING. This is the first step toward achieving a Utopian United States of the Solar System. I have noticed that President Obama has used the word Responsibility throughout his presidency...beginning with his Inaugural Address. This is a positive sign. World government is not going to change overnight. This is a complicated matter. It shouldn't have to be...but it is. Life on Earth is a very sad phenomenon in my view...but I think that it can be much better.

    A Perfected Humanity Living in a Perfected Solar System is Our Prophetic Destiny...Which WILL BE FULFILLED.

    Game playing gives life meaning. A gameless life might be a meaningless life. What would Eric Berne say? Unfortunately...the games some people play are reprehensible.

    Gnosis commented "So it has been written. I'm starting to not identify myself with meaning or with life as meaning. Sometimes I can be drawn into the River of Life with imaginations of what the world would be like if Buddha had succeeded in populating the planet with bodhis. I see shopping malls filled with enlightened/awakened bodhis :-)"

    Long ago...I went to a bookstore in Southern California called the 'Bodhi Tree'...and had an interesting conversation with someone who spoke of a purification of the Earth. Your post reminded me of this. I do think that the Earth is being purified presently...but hopefully not with a destructive purification. I'm completely opposed to fire and brimstone Armageddon scenarios...where only the elect are saved. I want everyone to make it...including the really bad guys and gals...but I really want things to get a helluva lot more ethical, balanced, and sane. Go Bodhis!!!

    Shirley Maclaine used to go to the 'Bodhi Tree'. I knew someone who worked in Hollywood who said that between scenes...Shirley looked like she was in deep thought most of the time. I thought that was interesting! I don't agree with Shirley on everything...but I admire her questing and her courage.

    Once again...I am almost begging for intelligent conversation regarding the substance of this thread. I refuse to scare people...or to make them angry...and I will not cater to people's greed or propensities toward self-exaltation. I just want to talk shop about how to best run this Solar System. I want the general public to become the New Elites...and I want the elites to clean up their acts. I would like to see the hypothetical Lucifer/Eve/Hathor/Isis/Mary aka The Goddess of This World serve as an advisor (not a dictator) to a United Nations based upon Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom.

    Just look at the carnage and destruction of the last 100 years. This is total insanity. This world is very, very sick. Please consider the first post of this thread as a partial solution. I don't think that things will ever be easy for most of the Human Race...but I do think that the next 100 years can be a helluva lot better than the past 100 years.

    Perhaps we can imagine that we are on the Moon as we discuss Solar System Governance (SSG)...on a base (Lunar Base II) with a view of Earth. Doesn't this perspective put everything into the proper perspective? Dr. Edgar Mitchell started the 'Center for Noetic Sciences' because of viewing Earth from outer-space. We need to start thinking like the Elites...but without any corruption or hidden agendas whatsoever. We need to invite ourselves to their party...whether we or they like it or not. I refuse to sucumbe to 'Us vs Them' thinking. Think about it.

    Gnosis commented "Yes no one with a heart cannot help but want to reach out to people. Not only as bodies, but also as spiritual beings who know they are more than just bodies. I guess the first thing to do is to sit down and get very realistic about what one is dealing with here on this planet. I'm supposed to write a book about how a civilization is built from the ground up, but if I start writing it might start writing me and I'm not ready for that yet. Thanks for the thumbs up on the bodhi scenario. The buddha I see was very much into eating well and he liked his luxuries, was not an ascetic by any means, but very very vigorous in reaching out to people and working with them to help them do their practices to reach their own bodhi state. I used to frequent the Bodhi Tree store in LA. Met some interesting books and people there :original: I think my job is to help birth people/bodhis who can in turn work with you to organize societies and perhaps cities. I don't mean going out and having 12 children (although I thought of it). If you said, "Hey, everybody, let's get together and talk about how we can turn this planet into a tourist center for the ETs." You know, put a very fun and body/nature oriented slant on it. A government run like a business.
    That is how my book would slant it. I'm only putting emphasis on the spiritual technologies because governments and civilizations and societies failed because beings could not govern themselves, much less each other. An awakened society enjoys more freedoms and needs less government. Administration and organization would be the main function of government. Can you imagine how exciting this planet would be for ETs to visit!!!"

    I want to write a book...but all I seem to be able to do is make superficial posts on the internet. I'm glad that you are thinking in terms of civilization building. I used to think that God was going to save us and take care of everything. Now I think that we will probably be lucky to survive on this planet...and even more lucky to avoid tyranny or theocracy. Who knows...we may not be capable of ruling ourselves presently. We are so damn sophisticated...but we start fighting way too easily...even within this forum, at times.

    We need to be so much more responsible...if we wish to govern ourselves. I get the theory...but in day to day living...I'm not very responsible. I just can't seem to get my act together. This reminds me of the old song lyrics 'you can't even run your own life...and I'll be damned if you'll run mine!'

    I like the idea of Intergalactic Tourism! Even Solar System Tourism would be cool! Actually...just travelling between Earth and the Moon would be out of this world! If Earth and the Moon have hidden surprises under their surfaces...and if we really do have advanced space travel technology...why couldn't this be opened up to the general public. The business potential is astronomical!

    We might possibly be Renegade Pleiadians from Aldebaran...and we may possibly have a soiled intergalactic track record...but I think that despite all of the setbacks and problems...we might be on the verge of succeeding with this Responsible Freedom thing. I'm seeing the possibility of a civil war resolution...but we may be an administrative headache...and it sounds as though ET intervention could be quite violent and tyrannical. This aspect troubles me...but this is just speculation...as usual.

    We don't have to be ascetic or retentive to be responsible. We just need to stop being corrupt and destructive. Responsibility Education from K through College should be mandatory. We should Reward Responsibility. I just want to keep visualizing a Perfected Humanity Living in a Perfected Solar System...in a very low-key manner.

    I just removed the reference to 'treaties and other sources of international law' from the preamble in the first post. Treaties and other end-runs around the Constitution have spooked me...and made me very paranoid. I wish for the focus to be on an uncorrupted form of the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. An uncorrupted team of constitutional scholars should determine what an uncorrupted form would look like. I'm pretty pleased with the founding documents in the first post...but I may be missing some glaring problems. Please help me out folks. This thread is just intended to get the ball rolling...but I wonder how bad things will have to get before this thread is taken seriously. My disillusionment and disappointment is profound.

    We need a Solar System View rather than a World View or an Anatomical Black Hole View!

    A silver (or yttrium!) backed Solar System Currency (SSC) issued by non-private central banks would be optimal...I think. Responsible and constructive commerce, trade, and competition should be encouraged. Corruption should be virtually eliminated.

    I'm beginning to think that endless reincarnation is simply the way things work in the Universe. Endlessly reincarnating within this Solar System should not be something to overcome...but it should rather be considered to be a gift...the gift of life. Why do we demonize Earth and Physicality? They are both priceless treasures.

    The Refereeing and Responsible Regulation of Constructive Competition is a good thing. The GAO and SEC should be quadrupled. Hierarchies are not necessarily evil...but they often are.

    Magamud commented "Whew reincarnating on this type of planet is a workout I dont want anytime soon. I think a trip down the Akashic records to reorganize my soul for some time then a traveling celestial healer and running with the comets for a bit will do me some good too. Then after some time I will come back to this plane. I think mind will move matter so in that sense the currency will be knowledge and manifestation. Working within a social circle attaining what one needs from its social dynamic. Same as it is said, that a huge chunk of "karmic" energy is within your family. So a community dynamic based on attaining cosmic knowledge exchanged by energy from consciousness. Can you dig it??? My reference with biased physicality in societal commerce is slim. It could be that technology is a barometer of nature and human symbiosis. In other words to much tech exhibits lack of awareness?? Or it just could be a plane that exist in evolution. Hence UFO's and that level of tech and cosmic knowledge. A possible example of why the lack of contact. Maybe there exists here this idea of just benevolent frequency of mind that teaches a tech based society/galaxy. So in other words everyone and I mean everyone is waiting for the Ancients to make a move. Just a thought. But back to the point, A basic level of understanding the importance of uniting/transmuting energy into liberty must be viscerally felt, allowing for corruption to barely sustain itself. Telepathy??????"

    Earth is sort of a Disneyland of the Gods. John Keel would probably agree. We need challenges...and Earth is a hotbed of challenges...some of which are actually enjoyable. I would think that the Akashic Records contain some very graphic, gory, and depressing information...but there should probably be a periodic review of this vital historical collection. A comet would be cool...but Hawaii would work for me...especially in January. Destructive and Irresponsible Technology should be eliminated. I have more problems with Environmentally Destructive Industrialization than I do with High Technology. This world is a very dangerous mess...and the oceans are toilets. We need to clean up our act...big time. I hope that the Ancients or Founders still exist. I see very little evidence for their continued existence in this Solar System presently. Could the cosmic exchange units be considered to be Free Energy Units (FEU)?!! Holographic Governance and Telepathy might dovetail to form a virtually corruption-free society...but I worry about privacy and psychic bullying. I liked your last post Magamud. I find that I need to read your posts several times to get what you are saying. You have obviously done some serious studying.

    We are a dangerous and corrupt bunch...regardless of who is ultimately in charge...and regardless of what the spiritual realities really are. I think that the refinement process will be very painful. The more I try to advance spiritually...and the more I try to face reality...the more it hurts. I often find myself beating upon the rocks of infidelity...while in hot pursuit of Hathor!! :wub2: This is totally unrelated...but I'm thinking about going back to church. I'm not sure why. I have too many problems with every church. I think they are used to control us in an unethical manner. However...I see a big part of the solution to our dire delemma...centered in renewed and purified religion and politics...centered in the Divinity Within Humanity and Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom. This would be sort of an Un-Theocracy. You can see why I call myself orthodoxymoron. I am ultra-conservative and ultra-liberal...simultaneously. I long for an ultra-purified and ultra-reformed Gizeh Intelligence, United Nations, Vatican City, City of London, and Washington DC...with no secrets and no skeletons in their closets. Hope springs eternal. Go naive dreamers! Go white-hats!

    Has anyone besides the NSA, CIA, FBI, SIS, JESUITS, ET AL seriously studied this thread? Perhaps I flatter myself with the delusion that even these groups would be even remotely interested. Perhaps the only thing that saves my sorry @$$ is the fact that no one gives a rat's @$$!

    "Give us a King!" was a very stupid thing to say. Trading Theocracy for Tyranny is not necessarily a step in the right direction. They are two sides of the same stupid coin. In a sense...this is sort of like a Zionist becoming a Teutonic Zionist!

    This little experiment is pretty much over. The results are:

    1. That the United States of the Solar System and Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom is a conceptual success. The idea makes sense...and would work splendidly.

    2. That the United States of the Solar System and Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom is a public relations failure. The response has been negligible and negative.

    3. That Sigmund Freud, Edwin Bernays, and Jordan Maxwell are correct regarding freedom, responsibility, the powers that be, influencing public opinion, and methods of manipulating the general public.

    Therefore...I am putting out a call for help...into the vast regions of space and cyber-space...to use the methods of Edwin Bernays and Madison Avenue to sell the contents of this thread to the Powers That Be (human and non-human...terrestrial and extraterrestrial)...and to the General Public (human and non-human...terrestrial and extraterrestrial)...in a manner which makes all of them believe that the contents of this thread is their idea...and is what they have always believed.

    Pragmatism must sometimes trump idealism...but ethical ends only justify ethical means...because unethical means usually mean unethical ends. Put that grass in your pot-pipe and smoke it!

    You can lead a horse to water...but you can't make it drink...or pee!

    Here is an interesting application of the word 'responsibility':

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    Cabinet collective responsibility is constitutional convention in governments using the Westminster System that members of the Cabinet must publicly support all governmental decisions made in Cabinet, even if they do not privately agree with them. This support includes voting for the government in the legislature. In the United Kingdom, the doctrine applies to all members of the government, from members of the cabinet down to Parliamentary Private Secretaries. Some political parties apply the convention to their central committee. Its inner workings are set out in the Ministerial Code.

    It is related to the fact that, if a vote of no confidence is passed in parliament, the government is responsible collectively, and thus the entire government resigns. The consequence will be that a new government will be formed, or parliament will dissolve and a general election will be called. Cabinet collective responsibility is not the same as individual ministerial responsibility, which states that ministers are responsible and therefore culpable for the running of their departments.

    On occasion, this principle has been suspended; most notably in the 1930s when in Britain the National Government allowed its Liberal members to oppose the introduction of protective tariffs; and again in the 1970s, when Harold Wilson allowed Cabinet members to campaign both for and against the referendum on whether the UK should remain in the European Economic Community. In 2003, Tony Blair allowed Clare Short to stay in the cabinet, despite her public opposition to the 2003 Iraq War. However, she later resigned.

    In Canada, the cabinet is on rare occasion allowed to freely vote its conscience and to oppose the government without consequence, as occurred with the vote on capital punishment under Brian Mulroney. These events are rare and are never on matters of confidence. The most prominent Canadian cabinet minister to resign because he could not vote with the cabinet was John Turner, who refused to support wage and price controls. In Canada, party discipline is much tighter than in other Westminster-system countries; it is very rare for any MP to vote counter to the party leadership. Similarly, in Australia on occasional issues (such as the 1999 republic referendum), there may be a conscience vote where any MP may vote as they wish, but these issues are rare and never tied to official party policy, and normally party discipline is very tight as it is in Canada.

    Collective responsibility is not circumvented by appointing Ministers Outside of Cabinet,[1] as has occurred in New Zealand where, as of 2005[update], Winston Peters and Peter Dunne are Ministers Outside of Cabinet, despite their parties not being considered part of a coalition.

    Magamud commented "Im sure if a benevolent frequency needed help laying a foundational Namaste Govt they would ask you Orthodoxymoron! Thanks for your insight..."

    Magamud...thank-you! Perhaps a benevolent frequency is unable to do anything of lasting significance regarding Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom as long as there is not a critical mass of Responsible Humanity who give a rat's @$$! I think We the People of Earth have nearly achieved a critical mass of people who desire Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom! Something is brewing! Perhaps a Solar System Exorcism is brewing! Malevolents...Be afraid! Be very afraid!!!

    As I see it...the foundation is found spiritually and conceptually in the Teachings of Jesus...and constitutionally in the US Constitution and Bill of Rights. I had nothing to do with this foundation. I'm merely shining a bright light on it.

    According to at least one source...there are at least 119 million ET's surrounding Earth at this very moment...yet we don't seem to be the least bit interested in who owns and operates this Solar System...or regarding Solar System Governance. Why?

    Initiate commented "Hi Ortho. I don't get the energy that you do off Magamud's post. You have indeed invested a lot of energy into this subject. And my take is that Magamud saw this and was stating that if (when) the guardians of the Solar System need advice then you would be an excelent source of input from the Earth Human perspective. It is also highly pluausable that at a higher level your higher self is indeed providing this input."

    Thank-you Initiate. My apologies Magamud. I have edited my post. I doubted that a 'benevolent frequency' would need anyone's advice...which may be why I responded (reacted?) as I did. I was wrong to do so...and I am very sorry. I also doubt that the guardians of the Solar System are a benevolent frequency. I could be wrong about this as well. Perhaps we are all in the best of hands...and have nothing to worry about. I haven't invested much energy at all into this subject...because there has been very little meaningful debate or dialogue...which says to me that we may be entering into an ET Theocracy in the very near future...and that I will probably be entering into a FEMA CAMP (or worse) in the very near future. Actually...we have probably been in an ET Theocracy for thousands of years...and that my reaction to the full realization of this brutal fact will probably land me in a FEMA CAMP (or worse). This tempest in a teapot is undoubtedly an exercise in futility. Resistance is futile. Abandon all hope ye who enter this Brave New Universe. Actually...entering into a Cowardly Dreamworld filled with faith, hope, and submission is a helluva lot easier.

    Please watch this four part BBC documentary video entitled 'The Century of the Self'. It chronicles the effect of Sigmund Freud, Edward Bernays, and others on marketing, mass manipulation, and politics...based upon the theory that the masses are dangerously irrational...and must be manipulated and controlled. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLD7LmWnzrA

    I hate to be cynical...but I am tired of being the idealistic goody-goody who is so heavenly minded that I am of no earthly good. I don't know if I can stomach the following...but perhaps there are some who can. Are there some lessons to be learned below regarding the promotion of the United States of the Solar System? Just giving people the facts in a cool, calm, and collected manner really does not seem to work. So how does one ethically promote goodness in a manner which actually works? Is there a way to positively restate the following such that it becomes a completely ethical modality of persuasion?

    THIS IS A LESSON IN HOW TO DECIEVE (CONVINCE?) THE MASSES http://www.learntoquestion.com/resou...oculation.html

    Clearly in the late 1930s, there were folks out there who thought propaganda could be dangerous. A private organization with an ambitious agenda, the Institute for Propaganda Analysis in New York, took on the Olympian task of trying to identify propaganda strategies and develop a scientific approach to its detection, along the lines of disease detection and prevention. Concerned about the difficulty of finding truth, particularly in a media-saturated wartime environment, the Institute issued a statement called the "Ten Commandments of Propaganda" in 1937. Designed to be a manual of strategies used by writers of propaganda, the Institute offered what it believed was the strategy of the propagandist:

    1. Divide and conquer.
    2. Tell the people what they want.
    3. The bigger the lie, the more people will believe it.
    4. Always appeal to the lowest common denominator.
    5. Generalize as much as possible.
    6. Use "expert" testimonial.
    7. Always refer to the "authority" of your sources.
    8. Stack the cards with "information."
    9. A confused people are easily led.
    10. Get the "plain folks" onto the "bandwagon."

    The Institute identified seven basic propaganda devices:

    Name-Calling: Giving an idea a bad or negative label, leading its audience to reject and condemn it without examining it further.

    Glittering Generality: Associating something with a word that has virtuous associations, leading its audience to accept and approve it without examining any further evidence.

    Transfer: Shifting the authority and prestige of something respected or revered to something else in order to make it more acceptable or associates disapproving language with something the propagandist wants an audience to reject.

    Testimonial: Invoking the words of someone either respected or despised to state that a particular idea, product, or person is good or bad.

    Plain Folks: Suggesting that the speaker and his ideas are good and right because they are "of the people": the "plain folks."

    Card Stacking: Layering an array of facts or falsehoods in a complex web of logic in order to make the best (or worst) case for an idea, program, or person.

    Bandwagon: Implying that everyone is doing something and that folks need to "jump on the bandwagon" and follow the crowd.

    Down with Monka!! Experimentation Without Representation!! Sorry Monka...I couldn't resist. Thank-you Initiate. I don't want to represent something which is hopelessly broken. I just want to see a proper governmental system for the Solar System in place which maximizes Responsible Freedom. I keep thinking that we are a galactic pain in the @$$...and that most of the ET's neither love us nor hate us. They probably want us to quit b!+ch!ng...and just evolve!

    I also keep thinking that we are rebels without a clue...who legitimately rebelled against something (enslavement and theocracy perhaps?)...but really $crewed things up...and ended up in worse trouble than if we had just gone with the program...so to speak.

    Now...we seem to be on the verge of blowing ourselves up, becoming enslaved by malevolent ET's, and being ruled by a really nasty theocracy. Or...with a top down silent and bloodless revolution...we could finally achieve a united and free world at peace...for the first time in our history. That's what this thread is all about.

    I'm trying to visualize more underground living and electric everything...and interplanetary tourism and industry using advanced spacecraft. I'd like to see an end to extreme wealth and poverty via Responsible Free Enterprise. I don't have a problem with interacting with other benevolent beings...no matter what they look like...or what their history is...as long as they are genuinely benevolent. It would obviously take time for everyone to get used to each other.

    This forum may be one of the first steps toward a Solar System United Nations...or whatever everyone wants to call it. I suspect that beings from throughout the Solar System...view, and even participate, on Avalon. We discuss various and sundry subjects presently...but someday we may vote...as members of a Solar System General Assembly.

    Here is another link which you might find interesting (John Rhodes): http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_anunnaki/reptiles/reptiles38.htm

    Here's yet another speculative intellectual ejaculation resulting from the masturbation of the mind:

    What if Reptilians evolved...but not Humans? What if the entire universe was Reptilian? What if there were no Humans anywhere? What if the entire universe was a Reptilian Universal Church Theocracy? What if Humans were created as a slave race? ('Let us make man in our image') What if Lucifer (Ptah?) was the Reptilian in charge of the genetic engineering project which resulted in the creation of Human Beings? What if Humans were mistreated as slaves? What if a group of Reptilians, led by Lucifer, conspired with Humans, to kill God the Father (Ra?)...and take over 'Heaven'? What if this was the Luciferian Rebellion which led to War in Heaven...and the death of God the Father (Ra?)? What if the Reptilians loyal to God (Ra?) fought against the Luciferian Reptilians and Human Beings...driving them out of the Garden of Eden (Heaven?) What if Battlestar Moon was used to transport the Luciferian Reptilians and Humans to Aldebaran, Sirius, and Earth...while being violently pursued by Nibiru? What if Interdimensional Reptilians aka The Spirit of God aka Amen battle with Luciferian Interdimensional Reptilians and the Divinity Within Humanity aka The Holy Spirit...to regain control of the Renegade Human Race? What if the New World Order is the Kingdom of Ra? What if the Luciferian Reptilians and a select group of Humans run Earth from underground bases on Earth and the Moon? Could this be Gizeh Intelligence? Could Reptilians and Humans loyal to Ra be Zionists? Could Reptilians and Humans loyal to Lucifer be Teutonic Zionists? Could a pacifist union of both factions be Followers of Jesus? Could Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom be the solution to this ancient mess?

    How much trouble am I in now? Probably quite a bit. But once again...this is just speculation...with no inside information whatsoever. I don't think that I have seen Lucifer...but one never knows! This hypothetical being could walk down a crowded city street...and no one would notice anything out of the ordinary. This would be a 3D dudess with lots of 4D, 5D, 6D, 7D connections...I think. Think Anna in 'V'. There may be remarkable similarities. Who knows?!

    I found the following in chapter 19 of the 'Dulce Book' http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/dulce_book.htm on the watcherfiles.com website. I don't know if this is credible...but it really made me think. If the U.S. Constitution was the central authority of the Solar System...instead of any deity or demon...no one would be worshipped, humiliated, exalted, enslaved, etc. If Lucifer is the Godess of This World (and Solar System?)...and will not relinquish power to anyone else ('if I can't have them...nobody can!')...might a constitutional ultimate authority allow this being to retire with grace? I'd really rather skip the Battle of Armageddon. Does the following description refer to Lucifer...or to Satan? I'm leaning toward Satan aka God Amen...but there might be some similarities with Lucifer...who would have to have some communication with Satan...on an ongoing basis. Does Revelation 12 describe Lucifer or Satan? The ultimate leader of the serpent race's collective or 'hive mind' is the "great red dragon", the "old serpent", "the Devil" or "Satan". Lucifer was one of the three original archangels (along with Michael and Gabriel) who each had charge over one-third of the 'angels'. Mind you...I'm hypothesizing a very dark universe...where this crazy world is as good as it gets. This is a terrifying thought to me...but what if this is reality? The horror! Could the following experience describe the being who Lucifer rebelled against?

    "One of the 'targets' to which Mr. Brown's military RV trainer sent him was the Grey aliens' collective mind, and more specifically he was instructed to search out the ultimate command or control center of the collective. Shortly after this particular experiment began [one of many], Brown found himself in an area where several Greys were working, although he did not know exactly where this was. He 'followed' the collective mind or thought-flow and found it to be absolutely massive, giving him the feeling of something unbounded, and almost universal in nature. However, he did detect a center, a definite 'heartbeat' of this massive collective matrix, into which and out from which a steady stream of information was flowing. He noticed, at one point, an unusual 'subspace' being that seemed to be directing the activities of the Greys he was observing, and discovered that the bodies of the Greys themselves were incarnated by such 'subspace' beings which apparently entered the Greys' embryonic bodies and used them as vessels to manipulate physical reality.

    Brown was then instructed to locate other of these beings who apparently controlled the Grey collective from a subspace or astral level, and found himself in an area where several of these subspace or paraphysical entities were located. As he continued towards this 'center' the number of subspace or non-corporeal beings increased until he came to a place of much activity, something like a grand central station type of area, where these beings were very active in various pursuits. He did not know exactly where this was, but noticed that the closer he came to the control 'center' the more he sensed an increasing rigid atmosphere of absolute military-like control. He came to what he sensed was the central governing center of the subspace beings' activity, and in the center of this there was another area where a "council of 10" very high-level subspace or paraphysical entities congregated. These were apparently the governing principalities who were engaged in running the whole operation. The security here was absolutely incredible.

    Then he perceived the SUPREME LEADER of this council of 10 paraphysical entities... and at about this point Courtney Brown was jerked back into his body, so to speak. He sensed that this leader had detected the presence of his own subspace, astral or magnetic body which he had projected, and had followed this RV 'intruder' back to his physical source. Brown and his trainer felt an oppressive, dark 'cloud' enter the room and it stayed there for about half a minute scrutinizing the scene. It left, apparently seeing the two RV'ers as "small frys" who were not worth wasting its time on.

    Before Brown's expulsion from the command center however, he was able to perceive for a brief moment what this being was really like. He or it was an extremely powerful being, but one with a twisted personality that was full of darkness. Apparently this being had come into conflict with another Force which it saw as its enemy. Brown sensed within this being a severe self-esteem problem, in spite of its incredible power, and because of this it had a consuming desire to be worshipped by others. Brown was confused when he sensed that these subspace beings, and in turn the Reptilians/Greys, were actually COMMANDED by this leader to engage in self-indulgent and destructive activities. This being apparently wanted his servants to use self-indulgent rewards or fear of punishment to maintain the absolute hierarchical command structure within its empire -- as well as through the rest of the subspace hierarchy, and in turn throughout the Reptilian Grey's collective 'hive' society that they completely infested.

    Brown also got the impression that it was FEAR and PRIDE -- its perceived NEED to be worshipped -- that kept this being from negotiating with its ancient enemy, and that this being was utterly desperate to maintain its very survival or existence [strange for a seemingly immortal subspace being] and chose to resort to rebellion and terrorism in a desperate attempt to take control of the situation. Brown recieved a strong impression that this being was the ultimate universal terrorist!!! (Did ET Phone Rome and Call 9/11?) Apparently because of its all-consuming ego this being would NEVER humble itself before its 'enemy', and the same might be said for most of the upper echelon of the hierarchy who depended on the praise of their fellow collaborators to maintain their illusion of self-importance.

    These beings, one might say, had long ago and of their own free-agency 'imploded' in upon themselves -- becoming 'spiritual black holes' with all-consuming appetites, absolute astral vampirial-like parasites, having extinguished all 'light' within themselves and therefore being unable to be brought back "into the light". Incapable of giving out 'light', they have become totally reprobate, devouring any and all life and innocence around them that they can possibly consume. The leader of this subspace 'collective' had long ago drawn these other dark beings into itself, like a large black star devouring other smaller ones around it. This irreversible state MIGHT not apply entirely to ALL of these "subspace" beings, as we will see later on."

    I hereby invite all beings throughout the universe to support the spirit...if not the letter...of the first post of this thread. Obviously...the details will have to be worked out by those who are much more competent than myself. I don't know the full story...but the more I research...the more enthusiastic I become regarding the first post of this thread. But this will require universal support...and will undoubtedly involve great sacrifice and hardship. I think we are all in huge trouble...throughout the universe...not just on Earth. I also think that all secrecy needs to be removed presently...and that Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom must be pursued with all deliberate speed. The gloves need to be removed...so to speak.

    Don't hate anyone...Reptilian or Human. I think that 99% are victims...and the remaining 1% are deluded or insane (and in a sense...victims as well...even though they are in charge...and may be very harsh and cruel). I think everyone is in trouble...from the top to the bottom. This universe may need a new program and a reboot. The Reptilians...who many fear (including me)...may turn out to be quite friendly...if and when there is a paradigm shift and a leadership change. Their external appearance should not be viewed predjudicially. I don't know the true nature of the Reptilians. I've never seen one (that I know of)...and I'm still not absolutely sure that they exist (although the testimonial evidence is overwhelming). This thread should not be viewed as Human vs Reptilian. In an all-out Human vs Reptilian war...I have a sneaking suspicion that humanity might cease to exist. Who knows...Benevolent Reptilians may be keeping Human Beings from becoming extinct.

    If the universal community cannot accept what is proposed in the first post of this thread as a universal modus operandi...I would only request that an exception be made for this Solar System. Give us a chance to test the concept...under quarantine...if deemed necessary. I understand that unrestrained and irresponsible freedom is highly dangerous and contageous. The qualifiers outlined in the first post of this thread should be sufficient to maintain legitimate and reasonable law and order.

    Thanks and Gratitude in Advance to the Beings of the Universe.

    THEWATCHER commented "Sounds FAR FAR too American for my liking I'm afraid, I'm not anti American but lets face it the US seem to want to control Earth, next would be space, next the universe?"

    Thank-you WATCHER. I'm flattered that you posted a response. America has gotten a bad reputation...hasn't it? But please don't blame the Founding Documents. This thread is not about American Control of Anything. If that were the case...it might be better to refer to Vatican Control of Everything...Including the United States. But I don't really think that the Vatican is in control of the Vatican. If you really want to know the truth...I'm trying to liberate the Vatican...in my own small way...because until that happens...Earth will remain a Prison Planet. I am not Pro-American or Anti-Catholic. I am Pro Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...in the context of the United Nations and the City States...and applied to the Solar System.

    Who were the Founders of the United States? They certainly were not Americans prior to the founding of the U.S.A. Why did the United States come into existence? Certainly not because the Old World was Heaven on Earth. Or...perhaps it was because the Old World was Heaven on Earth aka The Old World Disorder Demonic Theocracy aka One Nation Under Satan. I don't mean to be shrill...but do we really want a World Based Upon Responsible Freedom? I'm beginning to think that we don't...and that we are about to get exactly what we want. Please post viable alternatives to the first post of this thread. The water's warm. Come-on in. I really just wish to discuss Solar System Governance. It's a subject I know very little about...but which seems to me to be one of the most important subjects imaginable...especially to Earth Humans.

    Tangentially...take a look at this link to a Below Top Secret forum: http://www.belowtopsecret.com/forum/thread32073/pg3#pid2881167. I guess I equate Hathor with Ptah...based upon the Hathor episode of Stargate SG-1. In this episode...Hathor is happy when she discovers that Ra has been killed. Could Amen be the Goa'uld inside of Hathor? Lucifer rebelled against God...and waged war against God. So I put 2 and 2 together...but did I get 3, 4, 5...or what? What have I done?

    I guess I'm trying to contextually superimpose Creation, Heaven, Garden of Eden, Luciferian Rebellion, Temptation of Eve, Temptation of Christ, War in Heaven, Expulsion from Heaven, Expulsion from the Garden of Eden, the Exodus, the Bible, Ancient Mythologies, the Reptilian Phenomenon, the UFO Phenomenon, Ancient Technology, Secret Societies...and many, many more. The 20 Greatest Hints of What's Really Going On in the Universe!

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    Post  orthodoxymoron Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:07 am

    Law seems to be at the Center of Everything. What about relating everything we examine on this website to LAW? Obviously, from my perspective, the Foundation of Law should be RESPONSIBILITY. I'm staking EVERYTHING on RESPONSIBILITY. Unfortunately, I continue to be somewhat irresponsible, but I'd rather not talk about that! Moving on, consider watching all of the lectures on the following linked page. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfVgEn-cwB4&feature=related Please talk to me. Why are you ignoring me? Was it something I said? Was it something I did? Is it who I am? What the hell is going on here??? My SDA background often pointed to the Law of God as being at the center of theology -- and Adventists often caught flack regarding "Legalism" -- but were SDA's on the right track in this regard? I have concluded that SDA's often had "The Truth" -- yet implemented and communicated the truth in an abominable manner. Sorry, but I will continue to call things as I see them.

    What if the entire universe is essentially lawless? What if the entire universe is 'out of control'? What if God is not in control? What if Satan is not in control? What if Lucifer is not in control? What if Jesus (or any equivalent names such as Sananda) is not in control? What if the God of This World is not in control? What if the Queen of Heaven is not in control? What if the Pope is not in control? What if the Queen is not in control? What if the Illuminati are not in control? What if no one is in control? What if we are dealing with an infinite number of factions fighting for survival and power? What if a Supercomputer the Size of Jupiter is Possessed by Trillions of Trillions of Interdimensional Reptilian Souls -- and what if this represents the most formidable power in the universe? Most of us wish to feel as if we are somehow in control of the situation we're in. We don't want to be aboard a plane without a pilot -- do we? What if the PTB placed YOU in control of the Solar System? Would you celebrate -- or would you begin weeping, wailing, gnashing your teeth, sitting in sackcloth and ashes, and craving death as a sweet release? Is attempting to control things a fatal mistake? I've resigned myself to just keep doing what I'm doing -- no matter how good or how bad things get. If I were placed in charge of the solar system -- I would simply shrug my shoulders and keep doing what I'm doing right now -- except that I'd probably want to start using some sort of a supercomputer to expedite things -- and move to a more secure location. But other than that -- forces beyond my comprehension would probably continue to function in nefarious ways -- beyond the control of anyone. I am assuming that things really suck throughout the universe, and that we will be locked in an unbelievable struggle for survival for a very long time -- assuming that we survive for a very long time. Sorry for the doom and gloom -- but shouldn't we contemplate worst-case scenarios each and every day??? Remember the 'Empathy Test' in the "V" Remake? Perhaps one would need to be both ethical and emotionless to properly deal with the madness. Such an individual might not seem to care. They might joke about serious and tragic subjects and events -- and the yoke might be on you. Do you see my point? I didn't think so.

    What if the Solar System were considered to be One Country Under One Particular Comprehensive Law Book? There might be various states within this One Country -- with a Wide Cultural and Religious Diversity -- yet the Laws Governing Just About Everything would be uniform and contained within the One Particular Comprehensive Law Book. The various states would be properly respresented in the hypothetical United States of the Solar System -- yet there might not be dozens of different law books -- with thousands of interpretations. Do you see my point? At what point does Freedom become Confusion and Confrontation? I'd still like to know about ALL of the races and civilizations within this solar system. I'd also like to know about ALL unseen entities which exist within this solar system. I know there are those within this solar system who could tell me way more than I desire to know -- yet there seems to be a brick wall of silence in place -- and probably for legitimate reasons. Still, I'd prefer a somewhat uniform yet free solar system at peace -- rather than a solar system at war -- with death and environmental destruction everywhere. Do we need a Representative Theocracy of some sort? Would a United States of the Solar System have to operate as a Representative Theocracy in order to gain Galactic Approval? I really want this solar system to be peaceful and pristine. I do not want this solar system to be a chaotic war-zone and industrial waste-site. Should a United States of the Solar System be superimposed upon every governmental structure which presently exists in the solar system -- rather than eliminating or significantly changing any of them? Would changes on a micro-level need to be voluntarily implemented by member states -- in their own way, and in their own time? How would we assure that things would not spiral out of control? Would this require some sort of strong and ethical central leadership? Or would this precipitate destructive rebellion? Would we need an Idealistic and Ethical Version of Anna (in 'V') to preside over this new solar system? Once again, how do we achieve a proper Balace of Solar System Power? How does this NOT become a nasty power struggle -- where no one loves or trusts anyone? Is the human race so unstable, that we really cannot rule ourselves? Do we really need ET to rule us with a Titanium Fist??? Will we all end-up kneeling before ET with contrite submission and absolute obedience -- after screwing-up our one chance at Responsible-Freedom and Self-Governance???? I have a sinking feeling that this thing is going to get really nasty -- no matter what we do -- and no matter what ET does. Just speculation.

    I have made some references to the possibility of a Representative Theocracy in connection with the United States of the Solar System -- even though I know this is playing with rattlesnakes. Here is one reporter's opinion concerning 'Representative Theocracy'. http://www.daylightatheism.org/2010/01/representative-theocracy.html

    Representative Theocracy
    By Sarah Braasch

    Representative Bart Stupak from Michigan was paraphrased in a recent New York Times interview as saying that his resolve to defeat the healthcare reform bill, unless the bill includes his anti-abortion amendment language, is a straightforward matter of Roman Catholic faith. The article states that Representative Stupak said that he actually urged the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops to toughen its stance on the legislation. Representative Stupak is also quoted as saying: "It's not the end of the world if it goes down."

    What?!?! Let me say that again. WTF?!?!

    I don't understand how something like this goes unnoticed and unmentioned.

    How does he get a free pass on saying something like that in his capacity as a US Representative? How does he not get called out on that?

    He just proclaimed to the press that he holds religious law in higher esteem than the US Constitution. He just stated, unequivocally, that he intends to impose religious law upon the American citizenry. He just asserted that he intends to defeat healthcare reform unless religious law is deemed the supreme law of the land, usurping the position of the US Constitution.

    I am trying to imagine the reaction if Representative Keith Ellison from Minnesota were to say something similar. Keith Ellison is the first Muslim member of the US Congress. I am trying to imagine the resulting tumult and uproar if he were to defy his Democratic Party and vote in opposition to its platform, all the while maintaining that he was doing so as a straightforward matter of his Islamic faith, because he holds the tenets of Islam in higher esteem than the US Constitution, because the Quran and the Hadith demand that he impose Sharia (Islamic Law) upon American citizens, as a matter of principle and conscience. Does anyone honestly believe that a comment like that would go unnoticed in a New York Times interview?

    Representative Stupak took an oath to support and defend the US Constitution. He is openly admitting to violating the Establishment Clause of the Constitution by attempting to establish religious law as US Federal Law. He may not seek recourse under the Free Exercise or Free Speech Clauses, because federal congressional legislation is textbook government speech. He is not acting as a private individual citizen when he acts in his capacity as a US Representative in Congress.

    Is there something about the Establishment Clause of the US Constitution, which Representative Stupak fails to understand? I find it fairly straightforward myself. In case you had forgotten, I am including our glorious First Amendment to the United States Constitution: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

    There is no religious test for public office, but there should be a competency test for public office, to determine if one is capable of maintaining the separation between church and state, if one is capable of NOT violating the Establishment Clause of the US Constitution, if one is capable of comprehending the difference between government speech and the private speech of an individual citizen.

    If immigrants desiring citizenship must take a test that demonstrates their knowledge of the United States Constitution, then maybe we should require the same of our Representatives and Senators, since they are also being asked to take an oath or affirmation to support and defend the Constitution and all.

    For the record, I am not Catholic. I reject Roman Catholicism. And, I am deeply and personally offended that Mr. Stupak would abuse his position as a US Congressman by attempting to force me to kneel to Roman Catholic doctrine as a matter of US Federal Law in direct violation of our Constitution.

    And, even if I were Catholic, what entitles Representative Stupak to interpret the tenets of Roman Catholicism on my behalf? I didn't realize we had a Theologian Laureate in the United States of America. Thank God for Representative Stupak from Michigan. Thank God we have Representative Stupak to interpret Catholic doctrine and then legislate accordingly on our behalf.

    I can sleep easy now. Congress is looking after my spiritual wellbeing. Congress is looking after my soul.

    Of course Representative Stupak doesn't care if healthcare reform passes or no. Of course he doesn't care how many American citizens continue to die unnecessarily. He isn't interested in saving our lives. He's interested in saving our souls. For Jesus. Nothing unconstitutional about that.
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    Perhaps we should take a closer look at the term 'Theocracy'. Are there good and bad varieties of 'Theocracy'? Are we heading toward a V-ocracy? Here is the Wikikpedia Link for 'Theocracy'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theocracy

    Theocracy is a form of government in which the official policy is to be governed by immediate divine guidance or by officials who are regarded as divinely guided, or simply pursuant to the doctrine of a particular religious sect or religion.[1][2][3]

    From the perspective of the theocratic government, "God himself is recognized as the head" of the state, [4] hence the term theocracy, from the Greek θεοκρατια "rule of God", a term used by Josephus for the kingdoms of Israel and Judah.[5]

    A theocracy may have an administrative hierarchy of the government identical with the administrative hierarchy of the religion, or it may have two 'arms,' but with the state administrative hierarchy subordinate to the religious hierarchy.

    Theocracy should be distinguished from other, secular, forms of government that have a state religion, or are merely influenced by theological or moral concepts, and monarchies held "By the Grace of God".

    The word theocracy originates from the Greek θεοκρατία, meaning "the rule of God". This in turn derives from the Greek words θεός (theos), meaning "god", and κρατεῖν (kratein), meaning "to rule." Thus the meaning of the word in Greek was "rule by god(s)" or human incarnation(s) of god(s).

    It was first coined by Josephus Flavius in the first century A.D. to describe the characteristic government for Jews. Josephus argued that while the Greeks recognized three types of government: monarchy, aristocracy, and anarchy, the Jews were unique in that they had a system of government that did not fit into those categories. Josephus understood theocracy as a fourth form of government in which only God and his law is sovereign. Josephus' definition was widely accepted until the Enlightenment era, when the term started to collect more universalistic[clarification needed] and negative connotations, especially in Hegel's hands.

    The first recorded English use was in 1622, with the meaning "sacerdotal government under divine inspiration" (as in Biblical Israel before the rise of kings); the meaning "priestly or religious body wielding political and civil power" is recorded from 1825.

    The word has been mostly used to label certain politically unpopular societies as less rational or developed. The concept is used in sociology and other social sciences, but the term is often used inaccurately, especially in popular rhetoric.

    In the most common usage of the term theocracy, some civil rulers are leaders of the dominant religion (e.g., the Byzantine emperor as patron of the head of the official Church); the government claims to rule on behalf of God or a higher power, as specified by the local religion, and divine approval of government institutions and laws. These characteristics apply also to a caesaropapist regime. The Byzantine Empire however was not theocratic since the patriarch answered to the emperor, not vice versa; similarly in Tudor England the crown forced the church to break away from Rome so the royal (and, especially later, parliamentary) power could assume full control of the now Anglican hierarchy and confiscate most church property and income.

    Taken literally or strictly, theocracy means rule by God or gods and refers primarily to an internal "rule of the heart", especially in its biblical application. The common, generic use of the term, as defined above in terms of rule by a church or analogous religious leadership, would be more accurately described as an ecclesiocracy.[6]

    In a pure theocracy, the civil leader is believed to have a direct personal connection with God. For example, a prophet like Moses led the Israelites, and the prophet Muhammad ruled the early Muslims. Law proclaimed by the ruler is also considered a divine revelation, and hence the law of God. An ecclesiocracy, on the other hand, is a situation where the religious leaders assume a leading role in the state, but do not claim that they are instruments of divine revelation. For example, the prince-bishops of the European Middle Ages, where the bishop was also the temporal ruler. The papacy in the Papal States occupied a middle ground between theocracy and ecclesiocracy, since the pope did not claim he is a prophet who receives revelation from God, but merely the (in rare cases infallible) interpreter of already-received revelation. Religiously endorsed monarchies fall between these two poles, according to the relative strengths of the religious and political organs.

    The example which Flavius gave for theocracy, the rule of the Temple of Jerusalem's High Priest, would under the present definition be an Ecclesiocracy, since these (often worldly) priests did not claim to have any revelation or direct connection with God.[citation needed]

    Secular governments can also coexist with a state religion or delegate some aspects of civil law to religious communities. For example, in Israel marriage is governed by officially recognized religious bodies who each provide marriage services for their respected adherents, yet no form of civil marriage (free of religion, for atheists, for example) exists nor mariage by non recognized minority religions. India similarly delegates control of marriage and some other civil matters to the religious communities, in large part as a way of accommodating its Muslim minority. Egypt was run in both a monarchic and theocratic fashion in which the pharaoh was the head priest...

    An Islamic state is a state that has adopted Islam, specifically Sharia, as its foundations for political institutions, or laws, exclusively, and has implemented the Islamic ruling system khilafah (Arabic: خلافة), and is therefore a theocracy. Although there is much debate as to which states or groups operate strictly according to Islamic Law, Sharia is the official basis for state laws in the following countries: Yemen, Afghanistan, Somalia, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Mauritania, Oman and Iran. In Nigeria, the constitution provides that states may elect to use Shari'a laws and courts, though non-Muslims are not required in any state to submit to Shari'a jurisdiction and adherence varies by state.[7]

    Saudi Arabia maintains religious courts for all aspects of law and has religious police to maintain social compliance. Also Iran maintains religious courts for all aspects of law and has religious police to maintain social compliance, while its government is described as a "theocratic republic".[8] Iran's head of state, or Supreme Leader, is appointed for life by an elected body called Assembly of Experts.[8] The Council of Guardians, considered part of the executive branch of government, is responsible for determining if legislation is in line with Islamic law and customs (the Sharia), and can bar candidates from elections, and greenlight or ban investigations into the election process.[8] Pakistan has Islam as its only official religion and its Federal Shariat Court has the duty of striking down any law not complying with the Sharia code of Islamic law; however, ruling falls upon legal scholars who, while required to be Muslim, are not religious clergy.

    Following the unification of Italy, Vatican City became the last surviving territory of the former Papal States.[9] In 1929, the State of Vatican City was formally recognized as an independent state through treaties with the Italian government.[9] The head of state of the Vatican is the pope, elected by the College of Cardinals, an assembly of Senatorial-princes of the Church, who are usually clerics, appointed as Ordinaries, but in the past have also included men who were not bishops nor clerics.[9] A pope is elected for life, and voting is limited to cardinals under 80 years of age.[9] A Secretary for Relations with States, directly responsible for international relations, is appointed by the pope. The Vatican legal system is rooted in canon law but ultimately is decided by the pope; the Bishop of Rome as the Supreme Pontiff, "has the fullness of legislative, executive and judicial powers."[10] The government of the Vatican can also be considered an ecclesiocracy (ruled by the Church)

    The Central Tibetan Administration, colloquially known as the Tibetan government in exile, is a Tibetan exile organisation with a state-like internal structure. According to its charter, the position of head of state of the Central Tibetan Administration belongs ex officio to the current Dalai Lama, a religious hierarch. In this respect, it continues the traditions of the former government of Tibet, which was ruled by the Dalai Lamas and their ministers, with a specific role reserved for a class of monk officials.

    On March 14, 2011, at the 14th Dalai Lama's suggestion, the parliament of the Central Tibetan Administration began considering a proposal to remove the Dalai Lama's role as head of state in favor of an elected leader.

    Though having a state religion is not sufficient to be a theocracy, it is a theocratic aspect. Many countries have a state religion without government directly deriving its powers from a divine authority. The following states, for example, recognize some form of Christianity as their state or official religion (by denomination):

    Theocracy is “a form of government in which God or another deity is recognized as the supreme ruler, having their laws being interpreted by the ecclesiastical authorities [11],” or essentially the higher power makes the laws. Theocracy is an aspect of government that deals with the creation of governing rules by following the direction of God or a deity.

    Those who follow the formatted government of theocracy include: Jurisdictions which recognize Roman Catholicism as their state or official religion:

    Costa Rica[12]
    Liechtenstein[13]
    Malta[14]
    Monaco[15]
    Some cantons of Switzerland (state religion):
    Appenzell Innerrhoden (declared "religion of the people of Appenzell Innerrhoden")
    Aargau
    Basel-Country
    Berne
    Glarus
    Graubünden
    Nidwalden
    Schwyz
    Thurgau
    Uri

    Throughout history there have been different countries that have leaned towards the idea of theocracy. Europe is one of the first regions documented that became familiarized with theocracy as they sent their citizens away to spread the idea of Christianity as an absolute form of government[16].

    Pope John Paul II was quoted saying: The notion of freedom and personal autonomy is superficially attractive, endorsed by individuals, the media, legislature, and the courts.... Yet it ultimately destroys the personal good of individuals and the common good of society.... The Church is preserved in the truth and it is her duty to give utterance to and authoritatively to teach that truth. [17]

    Potential problems of having a theocracy is that in a country not everyone believes in the same God or deity. Having such a dilemma may break out into unfit government officials, raids, and lack of governmental control [18]. A potential benefit of having a theocracy is that there is no one person in control of the people. Having a more open form of government would allow for citizens to make freer choices, similar to the background of having an anarchy government as there would be no real form of government; this leads to a potential problem because there would be no responsible party for creating and enforcing rules which would lead to more chaos. Chaos would be reached in such a scenario because people would want to dictate their own rules to each other, becoming their own governing official, similar in fashion to anarchy (lack of government) or an ochlocracy (mob rule government).

    A number of countries, including Andorra, Argentina,[19] Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Italy,[20] Indonesia, Haiti, Honduras, Paraguay,[21] Peru,[22] Philippines, Poland,[23] Portugal[citation needed], Slovakia, and Spain,[24] give a special recognition to Catholicism in their constitution despite not making it the state religion.

    Jurisdictions which recognize one of the Eastern Orthodox Churches as their state religion:

    Greece (Church of Greece)[25]
    Finland: Finnish Orthodox Church has a special relationship with the Finnish state.[26] The internal structure of the church is described in the Orthodox Church Act. The church has a power to tax its members and corporations if a majority of shareholders are members. The church does not consider itself a state church, as the state does not have the authority to affect its internal workings or theology.

    Jurisdictions which recognize a Lutheran church as their state religion:

    Denmark (Church of Denmark)[27]
    Iceland (Church of Iceland)[28]
    Norway (Church of Norway)[29]
    Finland: Evangelical Lutheran Church of Finland has a special relationship with the Finnish state, its internal structure being described in a special law, the Church Act.[26] The Church Act can be amended only by a decision of the Synod of the Evangelical Lutheran Church and subsequent ratification by the parliament. The Church Act is protected by the Finnish constitution, and the state can not change the Church Act without changing the constitution. The church has a power to tax its members and all corporations unless a majority of shareholders are members of the Finnish Orthodox Church. The state collects these taxes for the church, for a fee. On the other hand, the church is required to give a burial place for everyone in its graveyards.[30] The Finnish president also decides the themes for the intercession days. The church does not consider itself a state church, as the Finnish state does not have the power to influence its internal workings or its theology, although it has a veto in those changes of the internal structure which require changing the Church Act. Neither does the Finnish state accord any precedence to Lutherans or the Lutheran faith in its own acts.
    Jurisdictions that recognise an Anglican church as their state religion:

    England (Church of England): In England the Monarch is both head of state and head of the church. The rest of the UK is however not Anglican (although Anglican minorities exist within the other three constituent countries) and the Act of Union demands that the Monarch sit only as an ordinary member of the National Presbyterian Church of Scotland when in Scotland and not interfere with the affairs of the church.

    Jurisdictions which recognize a Reformed church as their state religion:

    Tuvalu (Church of Tuvalu)
    The largest and best known theocracies in history were the Umayyad and early Abassid Caliphate, and the Papal States. And as with any other state or empire, pragmatism was part of the politics of these de jure theocracies.

    Further information: Imperial cult, State church of the Roman Empire, and Israelites
    The imperial cults in Ancient Egypt and elsewhere deified the ruling monarch, so that the state religion was dedicated to the worship of the ruler as a deity, or the incarnation of a deity.

    Early Israel was ruled by Judges before instituting a monarchy. The Judges were believed to be representatives of YWH or Jehovah God.

    In ancient and medieval Christianity, Caesaropapism is the doctrine where a head of state is at the same time the head of the church.

    Geneva, during the period of John Calvin's greatest influence and the Massachusetts Bay Colony of the "Puritans" had many characteristics of Protestant theocracies.

    During the short reign (1494–1498) of Girolamo Savonarola, a Dominican priest, the city of Florence could have been considered a theocracy. During his rule, un-Christian books, statues, poetry, and other items were burned (in the Bonfire of the Vanities), sodomy was made a capital offense, and other Christian practices became law.

    Although having a lay ruler (the King of Jerusalem) the Crusader Kingdom of Jerusalem (1099-1299) is considered to have some theocratic influences.

    Also the Commonwealth of England under Oliver Cromwell as Lord Protector is also considered to have a considerable amount of theocratic influence.

    Another ecclesiocracy was the administration of the short-lived State of Deseret, an independent entity briefly organized in the American West by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Its original borders stretched from western Colorado to the southern California coast. When the Mormons arrived in the valley of the Great Salt Lake in 1847, the Great Basin was still a part of Mexico and had no secular government. As a result, Brigham Young administered the region both spiritually and temporally through the highly organized and centralized Melchizedek Priesthood. This original organization was based upon a concept called theodemocracy, a governmental system combining Biblical theocracy with mid-19th-century American political ideals, including heavy reliance upon the U.S. Constitution.

    The treaty of Guadalupe Hildalgo resulted in the Mexican Cession by which Deseret was incorporated into the United States. In 1849, the Saints organized a secular government in Utah, although many ecclesiatical leaders maintained their positions of secular power. The Mormons also petitioned Congress to have Deseret admitted into the Union as a state. However, under the Compromise of 1850, Utah Territory was created and Brigham Young was appointed governor. In this situation, Young still stood as head of the LDS Church as well as Utah's secular government.

    After the abortive Utah War of 1857–1858, the replacement of Young by an outside Federal Territorial Governor, the eventual resolution of controversies regarding plural marriage, and accession by Utah to statehood, the apparent temporal aspects of LDS theodemocracy receded markedly. However, — like many Christians, Jews, and Muslims — Latter-day Saints regard some form of theocracy with God as the head (king) of a chiliastic world government to be the true political ideal. But, until the Second Coming of Christ, the Mormons teach in their 12th Article of Faith: submission to the powers that be. But true to their beliefs in individual liberty and moral accountability, they exhibit a strong preference for democratic-republican, representative government as embodied in the Constitution of the United States.

    Prince-Bishopric of Montenegro offers a singular example of monarchs willingly turning their power to ecclesiastic authority (Montenegrin Orthodox), as the last of the House of Crnojević (styled Grand Voivode, not sovereign princes) did, in order to preserve national unity before the Ottoman onslaught as a separate millet under an autochthonous ethnarch. When Montenegro re-established secular dynastic succession by the proclamation of princedom in 1851, it did so in favor of the last Prince-bishop, who changed his style from Vladika i upravitelj Crne Gore i Brde "Vladika (Bishop) and Ruler of Montenegro and Brda" to Po Bozjoj milosti knjaz i gospodar Crne Gore i Brde "By the grace of God Prince and Sovereign of Montenegro and Brda", thus rendering his de facto dynasty (the Petrović-Njegoš family since 1696) a hereditary one.

    The period when Medina was ruled by the Islamic prophet Muhammad is occasionally classed as a theocracy. By 630, Muhammad had established a theocracy in Makkah. Most Sunni Muslims believe that only the Prophet Muhammad was able to be both a governmental as well as religious leader. Other plausible examples of Islamic theocracy might be Mahdist Sudan and the Taliban state in Afghanistan (1996–2001). Also the governing is also done by a Caliphate with smaller levels of governing done by Qazi also known as Qadi. Most irregular was the non-permanent rule of the Akhoonds (imams) in the later princely state of Swat, a valley in (first British India's, later Pakistan's) North-West Frontier Province. Theocratic movements arose in the Arab world in the 1970s.

    Unified religious rule in Tibet began in 1642, when the Fifth Dalai Lama allied with the military power of the Mongol Gushri Khan to consolidate the political power and center control around his office as head of the Gelug school.[31] This form of government is known as the dual system of government. Prior to 1642, particular monasteries and monks had held considerable power throughout Tibet, but had not achieved anything approaching complete control, though power continued to be held in a diffuse, feudal system after the ascension of the Fifth Dalai Lama. Power in Tibet was held by a number of traditional elites, including members of the nobility, the heads of the major Buddhist sects (including their various tulkus), and various large and influential monastic communities.[32] As the modern Chinese propaganda describes it, Tibet during this period existed as a feudal theocracy, with a large class of serfs (consisting largely of non-noble Buddhist laymen) working on estates owned by monastic leaders and members of the secular aristocracy.[33]

    Political power was sometimes used by monastic leaders to suppress rival religious schools through the confiscation of property and direct violence.[31][33] Social mobility was somewhat possible through the attainment of a monastic education, or recognition as a reincarnated teacher, but such institutions were dominated by the traditional elites and governed by political intrigue.[32] Non-Buddhists in Tibet were members of an outcast underclass.[32]

    The Bogd Khaanate period of Mongolia (1911-1919) is also cited as a former Buddhist theocracy.

    Depictions of a fictional society dominated by a theocracy recur in science fiction, speculative fiction and fantasy. Such depictions are mostly dystopian, and in some cases humorous or satirical.

    The Earthquake in Chile, By Heinrich von Kleist (1807)
    Voyagers VI The Return, By Ben Bova
    If This Goes On—/Revolt in 2100 by Robert Heinlein (1940, revised and expanded 1953)
    Gather, Darkness by Fritz Leiber (1943)
    The Lovers by Philip Jose Farmer (1952 novella, expanded to full length 1961, revised 1977) [1]
    A Woman a Day (also "Moth and Rust" and "The Day of Timestop") by Philip Jose Farmer (1953 novella, expanded to full length 1960, same universe as "The Lovers")
    Messiah by Gore Vidal (1954) ISBN 0-14-118039-0
    Lord of Light by Roger Zelazny (1967)
    The Last Starship from Earth by John Boyd (1968)
    The Goblin Tower by L. Sprague de Camp (1968) (episode set in the theocratic city-state of Tarxia)
    The Stork Factor by Zach Hughes (1975)
    Run, Come See Jerusalem! by Richard C. Meredith (1976)
    The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood (1985). See Republic of Gilead.
    Candle by John Barnes (2000) . New York: Tor. ISBN 0-8125-8968-8.
    The Sky So Big and Black by John Barnes (2003) . New York: Tor. ISBN 0-7653-4222-7
    The Accidental Time Machine by Joe Haldeman (2007)
    In Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones, Pontifex Mansel leads the Theocracy of Rausten.
    The alien alliance known as "the Covenant" in the Halo series.
    Atlantis in Age of Mythology is supposed to be governed by a theocrat. The politics are not explored however, and it is not stated how the theocrat kept himself in power when the gods abandoned the civilisation in the expansion pack's campaign.
    The Amarr Empire in EVE Online
    In Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance, Begnion is a theocracy worshipping the goddess Ashera. It is ruled by Apostle Sanaki.


    Christian:

    Christian Reconstructionism
    Divine Right of Kings
    Dominionism
    Falange
    National Catholicism
    Organizational structure of Jehovah's Witnesses
    Rexism
    Theonomy
    Ustaše

    Islamic:

    Iranian Revolution
    Islamic banking
    Islamic republic
    Islamic state
    Islamism
    Political aspects of Islam
    Religious police
    Qutbism
    Taliban
    Wahhabi
    Other:

    Khalistan
    Unification Church and political involvement
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    ^ http://www.ethosofliberty.com/deliquo.htm "Theocracy - The rule of law is derived from religious doctrine and its decrees are absolute. This type of government is evidenced by a strict Islamic state (a rule of law under the religious code of the Islamic religion)."
    ^ http://www.reasoned.org/glossary.htm "theocracy - Rule by religion. A government that is based on theistic beliefs. Iran is a theocracy. As well was ancient India, in some forms of Hinduism."
    ^ Catholic Encyclopedia "A form of civil government in which God himself is recognized as the head."
    ^ English form the 17th century (OED). The Greek term is explicitly coined by Josephus and isn't attested elsewhere in Ancient Greek; Josephus marks it as a nonce coinage by calling it a "strained expression". W. Whiston tr. Josephus, Against Apion ii. §17 (1814) IV. 340: "He [Moses] ordained our government to be what, by a strained expression, may be termed a Theocracy", translating ὡς δ'ἄν τίς εἴποι, βιασάμενος τὸν λόγον, θεοκρατίαν.
    ^ Stephen Palmquist, Biblical Theocracy: A vision of the biblical foundations for a Christian political philosophy (Hong Kong: Philopsychy Press, 1993), introduced these more precise uses of the terms in arguing that theocracy (in this pure sense) is the only political system defended in the Bible. While Palmquist defends theocracy in this pure form as a viable (though "non-political" political system, he warns that what normally goes by this name is actually ecclesiocracy, the most dangerous of all political systems.
    ^ http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2006/71318.htm
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    ^ Constitution of the Principality of Liechtenstein: Article 37(2), digital Liechtenstein.
    ^ Malta – Constitution, Constitutional Law, Section 2 [State Religion].
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    ^ "GOVERNMENT AND THEOCRACY". Vine and Fig Tree. http://vftonline.org/TestOath/08theocracy.htm. Retrieved 1/20/2012.
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    ^ "Constitution of the Republic of Paraguay". http://www.servat.unibe.ch/icl/pa00000_.html. "The role played by the Catholic Church in the historical and cultural formation of the Republic is hereby recognized."
    ^ "Constitution of the Republic of Peru". http://www.congreso.gob.pe/_ingles/CONSTITUTION_29_08_08.pdf. "Within an independent and autonomous system, the State recognizes the Catholic Church as an important element in the historical, cultural, and moral formation of Peru and lends it its cooperation. The State respects other denominations and may establish forms of collaboration with them."
    ^ "The Constitution of the Republic of Poland". 1997-04-02. http://sejm.gov.pl/prawo/konst/angielski/kon1.htm. "The relations between the Republic of Poland and the Roman Catholic Church shall be determined by international treaty concluded with the Holy See, and by statute. The relations between the Republic of Poland and other churches and religious organizations shall be determined by statutes adopted pursuant to agreements concluded between their appropriate representatives and the Council of Ministers."
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    ^ Denmark – Constitution: Section 4 [State Church], Constitutional Law.
    ^ Constitution of the Republic of Iceland: Article 62, Government of Iceland.
    ^ Norway – Constitution: Article 2 [Religion, State Religion], Constitutional Law.
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    Further readingAnkerl, Guy (2000). Global communication without universal civilization. INU societal research, vol. 1: Coexisting contemporary civilizations: Arabo-Muslim, Bharati, Chinese, and Western. Geneva: INU Press. ISBN 2-88155-004-5.
    Hirschl, Ran. Constitutional Theocracy. Harvard University Press, 2010. ISBN 0-674-04819-9, 978-0-674-04819-5.

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    Mercuriel wrote:
    Lets go even further...

    INRI = Inanna - Nimrod - Marduk Ra or just Ra at that time - And Isis...

    Moses with Horns

    > Horns signifying both Genetic Lineage to the Anuks and "Right to Rule" as the gODS had 'em in abundance due to Them being Master Geneticists...

    For instance - Enlil was known as the Bull and Marduk was known as the Ram...

    Da Vinci was trying to tell Us something here and most have missed It.

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    Interesting eh ?

    And nope - You're not finished just yet anyways. Almost - But not yet...
    When I spoke of 'finished' -- I meant that in terms of a 'final judgment'. In what sense did you mean 'finished'? What if most of the Ancient Egyptian Deities and Pharaohs were Annunaki? What if most of the Old Testament Leaders were Annunaki? What if most of the Old Testament Leaders were Ancient Egyptian Deities and Pharaohs? I continue to think that we 'see through a glass darkly' regarding most of our history -- recent and ancient. The nastiness and deception seems to be endless. I'm generally pretty understanding regarding circumstances -- and I truly do not wish to be judgmental -- but I really would like to know the ACCURATE and COMPLETE history of at least this solar system -- going back at least a billion years. Seriously.

    Didn't Bill Cooper refer to 'Intelligently-Guided Asteroids in Geosynchronous Orbit' around 1950 (in his famous 1989 MUFON lecture)? Perhaps the Beings of the Universe move throughout the universe in hollowed-out asteroid-spacecraft -- using the familiar disks and cigar-shaped craft when they arrive at their desired destination. You'd 'simply' need internal life-support and propulsion systems to turn an asteroid into a Bad-Asteroid Queen-Ship. I'm still thinking of Humanity as being a Recent Subset of an Ancient Reptilian Race -- but even if I'm wrong -- what intelligent races might've predated the human race? I suspect a single Ancient and Traditional Race (with a multitude of variations on this central theme) -- with a renegade faction being responsible for the creation of the Human Race. Anyway, I'm digressing...

    Even though I have touched upon this previously, what if Washington D.C. were superimposed upon Vatican City -- or at least the City of London? You know -- the American System -- but with a helluva lot more pomp and circumstance. Could there be such a thing as a Theocratic Representative Republic -- wherein the prime theocratic function would be to properly maintain a proper Representative Republic? Does anyone understand what I'm hinting at?

    One more time -- what if the Roman Catholic Church became part of the Anglican Communion -- or at least became virtually identical to the Anglican Communion? I'm not saying this is the way things should be -- but I think we should continue to consider all of the political and theological possibilities -- in the privacy of a small and obscure website. I continue to not wish to make a big-deal about most of what I post on the internet.

    Take a look at this Council on Foreign Relations link regarding Sharia Law. http://www.cfr.org/religion/islam-governing-under-sharia/p8034 What if the world were under Sharia Law? Once again, please consider all of the possibilities. Here is a CFR video on 'The Case for Space'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eoxWy1v-EGU I really should subscribe to 'Foreign Affairs' -- as I attempt to dance on a tightrope between David Rockefeller and Alex Jones!!! Can't we just all get along???

    I certainly need to do some cleaning, trimming, mowing, and renovation -- in preparation for getting out of Dodge on a Ducati -- or perhaps in a FIZU! Anyway, I continue to feel as if I'm fighting an Internal World War Four -- without knowing who or what I'm fighting.

    BTW -- How does one learn if they are considered to be a 'problem' regarding their internet posting? I never know if I'm helping or hurting the 'good-guys'. I don't even know if I'm a 'good-guy'. I really don't.


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    Who Owns This Solar System? It Wasn't Stolen -- Was It? Where Did the Technology Originate? It Wasn't Stolen -- Was It? Where Do I Find a Copy of 'Grey's Intergalactic Law Dictionary'? What is the Origin of God, Nature of God, Location of God, Appearance of God, Character of God, Ethics of God, Role of God, Government of God, and Law of God? What if the King and Queen of the United States of the Solar System Served as Robed Judges in Responsibility and Constitutionally Based Court Proceedings in a Cathedral? If You Don't Approve of Robes and Cathedrals -- Would You Prefer That the Fate of the Solar System be Decided in the Local McDonalds? We Won't Really Be Happy With Anyone or Anything -- Will We? Why Try to Save the World If It Won't Be Appreciated? Perhaps I Should Delete and Renounce Everything I've Posted on the Internet and Spoken on the Telephone -- Forget the Whole Thing -- Sell My Dump of a House -- Buy a Ducati 1098R -- and Tour Europe -- In My Personal Version of 'On the Beach'. I live in the United States, but I'm trying to develop a Solar System Perspective. I just need to study every country and every planet. There's so much to do -- and I can't seem to do much of anything. I'm trying to mostly just read books and watch old sci-fi videos right now. I think I've said way too much already. Once again, I have an idealistic view of God -- but I still think that the Historical Theological Realities might be extremely dark and problematic. But really -- I don't know anything with much certainty at all.

    I wish I had gotten much better acquainted with Carol Rosin and Edgar Mitchell, a very long time ago. Things might've turned out a lot different. Unfortunately, I have recently become extremely disillusioned and depressed by my perceptions of an Insane, Ancient, and Ongoing Galactic Civil War Among Relatives. To complicate matters, I have determined that no matter what treaties or governmental systems are proposed and/or implemented, the nasty factional power struggles will continue. We seem to always wish to gain the upper-hand. My internet posting might be interpreted as attempting to gain the upper-hand in a round-about way. I constantly question my motives and reincarnational history. I sweat, shake, and even cry. Power is often gained through deceit, money, violence, and technology. I view the New World Order as being one aspect of the Galactic Factional Power Struggling. If the NWO gets stopped cold -- the New Guys might be a helluva lot worse -- who knows? Even if my beloved and seemingly well-intentioned ideas were accepted and implemented by the PTB -- things might still go to hell. The same Major Players would still exist. The Bitter Defeated would be licking their wounds and plotting their next move. The Triumphalist Victors would be in the process of becoming just as corrupt as the NWO Crowd they so despised. I still think we might be dealing with a Recent and Renegade Human Race -- in conflict with (and as a subset of) an Ancient and Traditional Reptilian Race. If the Human Race were exterminated, the conflict might continue in the Reptilian Realms. Perhaps this whole thing is a Reptilian Faction (in Reptilian Physicality) v Reptilian Faction (in Human Physicality). The fun might never, ever end. As a younger person, I had hoped for some sort of 'Heaven' -- but now I have very little hope for such an existence. Perhaps 'Purgatory' is as good as it gets. The Sovereignty of God, the Law of God, Absolute Obedience, and Responsible Freedom -- with a special emphasis on Intergalactic Space Law -- is a real Pandora's Box. I doubt that many people have REALLY thought this through. I am more frightened by all of the above than you can possibly imagine.

    You need to understand that my background is a belief-system wherein the soul is not immortal -- where the 'dead know not anything' (See Ecclesiastes 9:5,6) -- and where the righteous dead are resurrected at the Second-Coming of Christ -- and the unrighteous dead are resurrected at the end of the Millenium. I no longer hold to this view, but I retain a healthy fear and respect regarding supernatural experiences, spiritualism, seances, OBE's, remote-viewing, regression-hypnosis, etc, etc, etc. I will sometimes read the experiences of others regarding these realms -- but I will never involve myself in any of this. Also, you must understand that I am presently exploring the possibility that the Human Race is an Unwelcome Intrusion into a Theocratic Hermaphrodite Reptilian Universe -- and mind you -- I am NOT anti-reptilian. Heck, I still don't really know if they exist -- but I suspect that they do -- and I even suspect that Human Souls might be Reptilian in Nature. But most of this continues to be Politcal and Theological Science Fiction for me. I'm trying to specialize in this area (with an emphasis on Space Law). See the 'Hungry Earth' and 'Cold Blood' episodes of 'Dr. Who' for a hint of what I presently think might be possible regarding 'Reptilians'. My attitude toward them (if they exist) is probably similar to that exhibited by Dr. Who in those two episodes. I think I might've had some contact with a 'Hybrid' -- but I can't really be sure. I am presently very wary of BOTH the Reptilian and Human races. I'm wary of God and Satan. I'm even wary of myself. I think there is something very significant about Sirius, Aldebaran, M-42, and the Constellation of Orion. My religious background includes some isolated statements from the mid 1800's regarding 'Heaven' being located beyond the Orion Nebula. My present science-fictional-speculation is that all of the above might be a Reptilian-Realm from which our 'Human Souls' originated -- and that humanity is far from home -- and in rebellion against the 'Government of God' located somewhere in or around Orion. I have no way of knowing if this is indeed the case, but I will continue to conceptually model this view into the foreseeable future. Can you see why I want to get out of Dodge on a Ducati? And mind you, I said 'get out' -- not 'check out'. But if we are on the brink of extinction -- if the excrement really contacts the refrigeration system -- and things get really, really bad -- I MIGHT 'check-out' with some sort of dramatic 'On the Beach' Ferrari-Crash Ending -- except I'd do it on a budget -- with a Ducati.

    What I Am Doing Presently Seems Utterly Pointless. How many of my questions have been satisfactorily answered in the three or four years I've been posting on the internet? A dozen perhaps? Maybe not even that many. I've encountered a lot of superior attitudes -- but very few substantive answers -- and there's a difference between an 'answer' and a 'convincing-answer'. Some might say that my conversing with an Ancient Egyptian Deity constitutes 'Spiritualism' -- but I didn't seek this encounter in any way. I didn't chant. I didn't go into some altered-state of consciousness. I didn't do anything other than researching and posting on the internet. Even this deity refused to answer most of my questions -- and often answered questions with questions. Also, I don't jump off a cliff to experience the joy of free-falling -- and I don't reach into snake-holes or walk into caves in the desert -- to find out what's in there. My devotion to the scientific-method has limits. Many limits indeed. Somewhat unrelatedly, I really liked 'The Powers That Be', 'The Torment of Tantalus', and 'The Fifth Race' episodes of 'Stargate SG-1'. I don't seem to be able to view them anymore on the internet -- so I'll probably have to buy the entire DVD series when I can afford it. Same goes for 'Dr. Who'. I bought Stargate 'Children of the Gods', 'Ark of Truth', 'Continuum', and 'Atlantis' -- and I use them as 'conceptual-crutches' to aid my 'Science-Fictional-Research'. This is just the way I do things -- for better or for worse -- I know not. BTW -- I'm presently imagining myself to be a reincarnational cross between Dr. Who and Vala Mal Doran -- or is it a cross between Daniel Jackson and Samantha Carter???!!! Manage Quad???!!!

    Really, what I am doing seems way too dangerous as it is -- and I don't recommend that anyone (other than Mists-Regulars or Alphabet-Agents) do what I'm doing. This is the sort of thing which could potentially break-up marriages, get one fired, cause one to go insane, or to commit suicide. The subjects are that volatile -- which is why I wish to remain mostly low-key and incognito. What troubles me is theological in nature -- and not the theology you get in a church or seminary. I simply see how upset people get regarding politics and religion as usual -- and I know how certain religious leaders have reacted to some of my questions and statements, which were much milder than the fire I'm presently playing with. There is genuine discomfort connected with my research and speculation -- but I don't really think I'm crazy or going crazy. In a sense, I'm using this as a writing style, so that no one takes me too seriously. And really, I'm not an authority, so why should I act like one? I'm also trying to bring humor to some very serious subjects. I'm an 'in-control out-of-control person' -- sort of like a free-style clown on the ski-slopes. If I acted like this as a preacher or teacher -- I'd be fired and black-balled for damn-sure and for good-reason. But you know, what I post just scratches the surface. My posts are kindegarten-stuff. They're not complicated at all. A proper academic treatment of all of this would be something to behold. Can you imagine what I post being discussed by 2,000 Robed JD-PhD-ThD Representatives of the United States of the Solar System -- meeting in St. Mary's Cathedral in San Francisco -- with the remaining 8,000 JD-Phd-ThD Representatives from throughout the Solar System participating via InterPlaNet???!!!

    You'd have to dig into my threads to really begin to understand why I'm blue. I really do NOT wish to wake people up with what I've been dealing with. I had hoped to discuss and debate this material here in the Mists -- but this hasn't happened -- and this might be just as well. The Fukushima thing REALLY got me down -- and I don't wish to talk about why. I truly hope that Fukushima was not the first installation of a controlled demolition of the human race. I continue to be highly paranoid. What happened in Japan could happen throughout the world. I continue to seek an idealistic future for this solar system and the human race -- but it seems as though the Book of Revelation Scenario is predestined to 'play-out' -- presumably as a punishment-sacrifice-extermination. The crimes of humanity might be reprehensible -- but the crimes against humanity seem to be insanely irrational -- especially in view of the fact that our true history remains a mystery. Sorry for the negativity, but the more I reflect upon the fate of humanity -- the darker our future seems to be -- but I so hope that I'm mistaken. All of this really will have to be my private hell. To discuss this stuff in public would make my hell a helluva lot worse. Hence, my desire to get out of Dodge on a Ducati. I'll probably die trying to be happy -- but I've pretty much had it with this esoteric stuff -- which is sort of an endless loop of insanity. I tend to think it was set up to be this way -- and until someone at the top decides to change this state of affairs -- the insanity will continue. Unfortunately, I keep feeling as if those at the top have decided to exterminate the human race -- or at least exterminate the rebellious one-third of the angels (us?).

    Once again, there are closed-door meetings with ThD and PhD participants -- which lay all of this stuff out in great detail -- but they never invite me to such exclusive gatherings -- and that's probably just as well. I don't think we go to heaven when we die. If we did -- then all of us should head for the exits. In my case, at least, I suspect that death will introduce me to some sort of nasty tribunal, with a glaring judge and jury -- probably not human and not nice -- so I really would prefer to stretch this present darkness of mine out as long as I can -- before things get really dark. The REAL theological realities seem to be VERY dark -- but I completely understand faith, positive-thinking, and self-esteem -- and it might be time to stop attempting to face reality -- and simply conclude 'there's no problem, I'm terrific, and everything's fine'. It is a bit sad, however, to consider those who seek to face reality and solve the world's problems -- as being mentally-ill. I keep trying to help save humanity, which includes me -- but if living in a dreamworld and riding a Ducati while I worship 'I know not what' is my salvation -- then perhaps I need to move in this direction, with all deliberate speed -- say 175mph. Good-Luck With Whatever You Think You Want. After You Have Exhausted All of Your Options With Your Chosen Partners -- You Might Wish to Reconsider Mine -- and Then Refine Them to Suit Your Elevated Tastes and High Standards. I'm Sorry This Didn't Work Out. Namaste and Godspeed.

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    Post  orthodoxymoron Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:07 pm

    orthodoxymoron wrote:I would really like to know if anyone has taken a close look at this thread - or any of the other threads I have posted. I really and truly don't know how close to the mark they have been. I also don't know how mentally ill I really am. I would love to see any alphabet agency type of work on this material - but I really doubt if they really give a rat's patootie about what I post or don't post - because very few people read it - and even fewer people actually think about it. And I won't be a public crusader for something I really am not 100% confident about. I don't know what kind of beings exist in this solar system. I don't even really know what kind of being I am, or we are. What I am speculating about, and proposing, might turn out to be a complete disaster. Once again - I am trying to know as much of what the elites know, as possible - and then attempt to be an unofficial elite type of person, who is non-corrupt, and who isn't into all of the satanic Bohemian Grove and Masonic Temple ritual cr@p. I don't think the elites really like this BS - but that's just the way business is done in this stupid solar system. I have not tried to be politically correct or popular. I'm just trying to think out loud regarding what kind of a proper church/state situation should exist in this solar system. One cannot leave the church out of this equation. Nothing short of a complete reformation of all churches and governments - to become completely in harmony with the concept of RESPONSIBILITY - will result in the last, great, true renaissance which will bring peace to the world, and to the solar system. What would Albert Schweitzer say?

    The whole fringe world is bizarre to begin with - but I suspect that some of it is real - and the further down the snake-hole I go - the more I can understand why the PTB keep the sheep in a little dreamworld. But a very rude awakening is in the process of occurring. I'm in favor of a proper disclosure - but obviously, the whole thing will be a big mess. Perhaps in a hundred years, things will start to calm down and make sense. I'm not expecting things to dramatically improve, anytime soon - even if people really start to do the right thing. The madness has too much momentum. What if all of us are ET's - spiritually and soul-wise? What if all of our souls are basically the same - whether we be humans, hybrids, reptilians, greys - or whatever humanoid beings there might be - throughout the universe? What if all of us are hybrids - with various percentage differentials of human/reptile or human/whatever? What if 'star-wars' are really 'soul-wars' - using various types of hybrid super-soldiers and advanced technology? What if we are the Orion-Group which Alex Collier speaks of? What if the 600,000 year human vs reptilian war was really an ideological battle - utilizing various types of hybrids and advanced technology? Once again - why can't this solar system become a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System aka The United States of the Solar System - based upon Responsibility and the U.S. Constitution - with 10,000 highly competent and non corrupt representatives from throughout the solar system - with complete openness and transparency? Some of the biggest questions for me are 1. What is the true origin, nature, and destiny of the soul? 2. What was the Original Sin? 3. What is the solution to the Sin Problem? 4. Whatever Happened to Sin? 5. What would Karl Menninger say? Once again - I really don't know what's really going on in this world, this solar system, this galaxy, or this universe. If I did - my questions and conclusions might be completely different. I can't see properly. I can't think properly. I'm miserable, sick, and tired - and I sense that the problems are worse than even I can imagine - and that proper solutions will not be implemented anytime soon. But why be so negative?
    Brook wrote:
    Raven wrote:

    I would really like to know if anyone has taken a close look at this thread - or any of the other threads I have posted.

    Barely,as its full of nothing but egotestical puritanical rantings from a completely ignorant fool, who would rather spend hours typing endless bathering bullshit out of his incessant mouth, and listening to his own"higher" ego then the True higher ego of the Divine.

    No comment, but if one reads your bullshit enough,one gets an idea as to the degree and level of how deep your rabbit hole goes. Mostly the hole leads right up your XXX.


    Oh bullshit oxy, you LOVE this XXXX, its all you talk about and point people in the direction of it!! Get over yourself already. You are an incredibly ignornant Xxxxx hiding behind a false puritanical skirt, who needs to grow some balls and accept his own self responsibility. Law of attraction baby, what you dish out will be in kind served back to you. Your so called sincere search is nothing but your own whining out loud,hoping for some small platitude from anyone taking the time to read your vomit.


    Has someone got their panties in a bunch? Oh wait....it must be that "True higher ego of the divine" speaking".
    Self Governance comes from knowing and understanding the Divine...............I'll bet that venom comes from one of those "aspects", or "archetypes"


    Divine understand? not so certain about that........ but non the less, "enlightening" words Raven.

    Truly sent with love
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    Well Raven! Things were just starting to get interesting! I really enjoyed our conversation - including the post where you cussed me out! I think I deserved a lot of that - and I took what you said seriously. I actually miss you. You obviously know a helluva lot. I sensed some dark spirituality - but that may go with the territory. I sometimes wondered if you might be the modern incarnation of Kali - or at least a goddess-type of person with some sort of connection to Kali, Mary, the Goddess of This World, or the Queen of Heaven. I'm not a scholar or an experiencer - so I don't really know. I really and truly am an ignoramus. My egotistical posting style is really a cover for my rather substantial insecurities. Sounds kinda sexy - doesn't it?! I actually liked the porno part of all of this! I am more repressed than you can imagine - but I do like to joke around - and I am not easily offended - especially online! In person - things would be entirely different. I suspect that the real Queen of Heaven is highly intelligent and highly refined - yet very, very tough, decisive, harsh, reprobate - and able to swear like a trooper! You'd be amazed at the mental picture I have of the Queen of Heaven! But this is merely a hypothesis and a figment of my diseased imagination. I will probably continue to work with this subject for years - or at least until disclosure occurs. Anyway - regardless of who you really are, Raven - it's been a pleasure. Perhaps we can share a bottle of fine French wine someday! Namaste.

    I could have continued playing mind-games with Raven indefinitely. I really feel like an incompetent individual who has stumbled upon something of value - challenging the PTB - which probably makes some of them angry. The fact that I'm an incompetent sm@rt@$$ probably really ticks them off. If I were some reputable egghead - it would probably be a lot easier for them to take. I truly accepted a lot of what Raven said about me as being painfully true. I'm really not trying to crucify the PTB - both seen and unseen. I really am seeking a big-tent solution - which might make just about everyone angry - but which just might work. Namaste.

    So - is anything happening in San Francisco? Perhaps the United Nations cannot be reformed - and must be replaced. Or - would San Francisco be a better location for a Reformed United Nations aka The United States of the Solar System (Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System)? How would Roman Catholics react to having St. Mary's Cathedral converted into the headquarters of a new Solar System Government? How would they react to sharing Grace Cathedral with the Episcopalians? Would they fight with each other? Who would wear the pants in this proposed ecumenical experiment? Would they just stay out of each other's way? My guess is that the leadership and congregations are already pretty well acquainted with each other. If my speculations regarding the Queen of Heaven are correct (or even close) - I would guess that she would be LIVID - to say the least!! I think that ultimately, things would work out well for her, as well - but it might take a few centuries for her to calm down!!! What would Raven say?

    This is just a request to any governments, factions, or individuals - human or otherwise - to not do anything violent or destructive. We can argue, fuss, and fume - and try to work things out - but violence and destruction are not solutions. They simply create more problems. If there are too many people - we can institute a program of responsible reproduction. Undesirables can be educated and reformed into being desirables. Please consider evolutionary changes - rather than revolutionary changes. Human history is full of death, destruction, and incomprehensible stupidity. This needs to change - starting right now. Have a terrific day Satan, Lucifer, Gods, Goddesses, Angels, Demons, Archangels, Illuminati, Megalomaniacs, Reptilians, Greys, et al. I'd like to meet all of you when this mess gets resolved. We need a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System aka The United States of the Solar System based on the U.S. Constitution and Teachings of Jesus (Responsibility).

    So - Lucifer - are you male or female? Who are you - really? Where do you spend most of your time? What the hell are you doing? Or - do you even exist? Is there really just a Council of Ten - or something like that - which rules the solar system? I keep talking about 10,000 representatives - of all nations and races - from throughout the solar system - as an ideal number - for a non-corrupt and organized-decentralized solar system government. But is this too many? What is the ideal method of solar system governance? Perhaps I have not carefully considered ALL of the possibilities, before arriving at my present biases and conclusions. Perhaps I should contemplate the general subject of solar system governance - rather than focusing on a particular type of solar system governance. Or - should I just shut-up, and not even think about it? Is 'One Nation Under Satan' the way things have always been - and always will be? Is everything else simply an illusion, and wishful thinking? Is the whole damn thing set in concrete? We're supposed to take 'baby-steps' - but if we can't see the big-picture - how are we supposed to know which direction to take these 'baby-steps'? This whole thing seems like a sick nightmare of a joke. Mumbo-Jumbo and BS are everywhere. What a mess!! So - when do we get the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? Or - is the truth so bad - that we would all commit suicide? How should one properly communicate with whoever the hell is running this $crewed-up solar system? Is anybody out there? Anyone???

    You know - I'm just going to imagine that The United States of the Solar System is already a reality - and that 2,500 of the 10,000 representatives meet every day at St. Mary's Cathedral, in San Francisco. I'll imagine that UFO's occasionally land on the premises - transporting representatives to and from the various moons and planets of the solar system. Am I walking into an ambush with this sort of thinking? Am I playing into the Deception of the Millenium? I'm just asking the Solar System PTB and Galactic PTB to read through this thread - to at least get a feel for what the Thoughtful Goyim are thinking these days. I will continue to communicate my delusional thinking to maybe a dozen people on this website. Perhaps something constructive will come of it.

    Freedom is key - and the key to freedom is responsibility. These two words should be studied endlessly. A constitution which maximizes freedom and responsibility should be sought - and Comparative Constitutions should also be an ongoing and relentless study. There probably is some sort of a dictatorial Council of Ten - with a ten-foot tall Drac serving as chairman of the board - because We the People are too irresponsible to govern ourselves. I'm pi$$ed-off at everyone - especially myself. I think we can all do a helluva lot better. This is probably the crazy-stage - where people are being hit with all sorts of controversial and conflicting information and concepts - of which probably 20% is actually true or constructive. If we survive this stage - then perhaps we can put together a more rational solar system view, and solar system governance. If I really spoke with Lucifer - they would probably point out how stupid and gullible we are - and why we are being ruled by secrecy, deception, manipulation, force, violence, etc. Lucifer might be a Devil - but we probably have what we deserve. Hopefully things will change for the better, sometime soon.

    I think we are too easy AND too harsh on ourselves. We treat ourselves and each other inappropriately. I think we are where we are by both choice and circumstance. I think we have been lied to and manipulated - but that we have allowed ourselves to be led around by the hooks in our noses. The past may have passed - but we need to study the past endlessly - or we will keep making the same stupid mistakes over and over again. It matters what we think AND what others think. Our thinking affects and effects others. People suffer the consequences of our actions all the time. We are all interrelated - whether we like it, or not.

    I keep thinking that the editorial bias of this thread will be implemented - and then that the crushing weight of responsibility will be too much to bear - and that the universe will laugh in our faces when we REALLY $crew things up - and start begging for divine intervention. I sometimes think that no matter what we do - things will turn out badly. I guess I see nothing but trouble in our immediate future. But we should still do the right thing - no matter what. We should stand for the right - though the heavens fall - and they probably will fall - causing Atlas to drop the ball - and shrug. What would Ayn Rand say?

    OK - so what is the state of current solar system governance? I get the mental picture of an elaborate base on the darkside of the moon, as being the headquarters of the present solar system government. I also get the picture of a select group of humans and hybrids (maybe a couple of hundred) as being the core of solar system administration. But then I get the picture of a rival solar system government, headquartered on Mars perhaps, again with a couple of hundred humans and hybrids at the top of the pyramid. I get the feeling that they are not happy-go-lucky personalities - and that both governments are rather Nazi-like. I'm not going to go any further in yet another orgy of wild speculation. I'm really trying to think of the most ideal situation which is possible and probable for this solar system in the near future. This, of course, is based upon the presupposition that the humanoid beings who inhabit this solar system, have souls, which reincarnate endlessly. If we have no souls, and there is no life after life after life - we might as well just forget the whole damn thing. Also, trying to create a paradise here in this solar system, is only necessary if we are not going to be rescued, and taken to a distant heaven, or to a genuinely better place. I don't have the ultimate answers, so I continue to fly blind. I'm doing the best I can, but without complete information, I really can't do a helluva lot. Garbage In - Garbage Out. I am willing to compromise and adapt. I am not arrogant, despite my internet posting style. I am really doing all of this in desperation. I have lost faith in just about everyone and everything - and I'm scared. I don't know who my friends and enemies are - or even if I have any friends or enemies at all. Life is really non-stop misery - and it has been so for a very long time. I keep hoping that things will improve - but they never do. I am not nationalist or racist - despite my bias toward the U.S. Constitution. This just seems like a logical starting point for a solar system government which maximizes responsibility and freedom, or responsible-freedom. This isn't rocket-science. This is really 2+2=4. Do the math.

    Could we at least have a discussion regarding what an ideal solar system government might be like? I'm thinking that it will be difficult to pin down our origins, ufo's, aliens, history, gods, goddesses, various factions, etc. and et al. So I'm thinking that I'll spend most of my time on what an ideal solar system government would look like. I think this thread is an excellent place to begin - but it may not be where we end this quest. In fact - this quest might not have an end. So, who is the solar system authority on solar system governance? Any ideas?

    If an extermination/enslavement is about to be inflicted upon the human race - this thread is a complete waste of time - right? Or - could the implementation of this thread prevent an extermination/enslavement from occurring? If there are ET's here in this solar system who are not here to help - I hereby request that you leave this solar system immediately. I may not be in a position to make such a request - but I'm making it anyway. I wish to help create a paradise in this solar system through non-violent and non-coercive means. If there are those who have a great karmic debt - I request that they be incarcerated, educated, and reformed - in a dignified and respectful manner - and that they be directed to make restitution in a reasonable manner. Obviously - I don't know the whole story of what is really going on in this solar system - so this request might be nullified by an overwhelming original and continuing sin. I might be the biggest historical s.o.b. of them all. I am very concerned that this might be the case. But really - is a violent solution ever really a solution? If an extermination occurs - I believe that it will not stop with the original target - but will continue - with the exterminators eventually exterminating themselves. Those who live by the sword - will die by the sword. I am a big-time pacifist - in this incarnation, anyway. I will continue to talk to myself on this thread. This is the most important subject imaginable, yet very few seem to wish to talk to me. I have even been cussed-out, and called an 'ignorant fool'. I declare War on War. War is a Sin. I am looking for a big-tent solution - and nothing seems to be coming of it. I really want that St. Mary's deconsecration/conversion into the headquarters of The United States of the Solar System. I will pretend that this thread actually counts for something. I will live in this dreamworld until all hell breaks loose upon this little planet. At this point - I'm disgusted with everyone. No one will talk to me about reasonably creating a paradise in this solar system. The ET's won't. The PTB won't. The Goyim won't. Nobody will. The Sacred Texts are Mostly BS. The Men and Women of God are Mostly Liars and Sell-Outs. The Politicians and Elites are Mostly Liars and Sell-Outs. The Gods and Goddesses Seem to be Vengeful Deities.

    WHO IN THE HELL HAS CONSISTENTLY PROMOTED RESPONSIBILITY - AND BEHAVED IN A RESPONSIBLE MANNER - AT ANY TIME IN THE HISTORY OF THIS SOLAR SYSTEM?????

    I've received a very chilly reception regarding my promotion of the United States of the Solar System. It's the highest principles and concepts of the founding documents which I am promoting...but that doesn't seem to matter. People have a bad taste in their mouths...and continue to ignore my almost daily posts. My conclusion is that it is much wiser to attempt to hijack the New World Order than it is to engage in trench-warfare with it. I want humans and non-humans, at the highest levels, to defect, and to do the right thing...and re-direct the New World Order in the direction of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom. In my view...the alternative is an absolute Hell on Earth...which will most likely span hundreds or thousands of years.

    Please watch these Jordan Maxwell videos. This man deserves to be listened to very, very closely.

    1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfMwK0kCccI

    2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvjROPfv0X4

    3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jJKue2Ff6o

    Why have the member nations of the United Nations agreed to submit to the U.N. Charter? Is this more agreeable to them than to be subject to the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights? Once again...this thread is not about American rule or conquest. It is all about Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom for everyone in this Solar System...and there seems to be quite a bit going on throughout the Solar System. Regarding the Solar System Exorcism...I just want the really hardcore malevolents of all races (including Human) to be exiled from this Solar System...until they become re-educated and reformed to the point where they are no longer a grave threat to Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom. This is about the really bad guys and gals...and not about imperfect individuals who make mistakes. I just want to put all the mothers on a mothership! Perhaps Nibiru (if it really exists) could assume a circular orbit...safely beyond the orbital path of Pluto...and provide Solar System Security (keeping the malevolents out...and keeping us in)...and become a part of the United States of the Solar System. I know not what I say...but hope springs eternal.

    I really don't know where to go from here - but I think Raven could tell me where to go! I think we should really give a lot of attention to an idealized solar system government. What could this solar system be like with the right management? I continue to think that freedom and responsibility are the key words to keep considering. Once again - if I sang a song or threw a ball - I might make millions of dollars a year. But talking about responsibility, freedom, and solar system governance yields zero income or popularity. Has anyone really thought about travelling to the Vatican, the City of London, Washington DC, the United Nations, and the Darkside of the Moon - on magneto-leviton trains and antigravity craft - to deal with solar system governance - on a daily basis? Why wouldn't this be one of the most interesting mind-games imaginable? I think that a lot of people should be thinking about this sort of thing - and the internet makes it a lot easier to do so. I'm really just trying to draw attention to a general area of study and contemplation.

    So - what's going to happen to us over the next ten years? Will there be anyone left in ten years? I continue to wonder about the true history of humanity. I continue to fly blind. Perhaps ignorance is bliss - especially regarding universe-history. If We the People of Earth were truly given the opportunity to rule ourselves - how would we do it? Would we screw things up worse than the shadow government? Please give solar system governance, and this thread, some serious thought. Our future may depend on it.

    So - who really owns and operates this solar system? If ET's from a faraway galaxy showed-up, and said 'Take Me to Your Leader' - where would they be taken, and who would they meet?

    A total stranger asked me what I would do with $14,000,000. I told him that I'd start a foundation. I didn't mention The United States of the Solar System aka a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System - but I had that clearly in mind. I think I'd really try to get the St. Mary's Cathedral thing off the ground - by hiring some sort of a media company - to promote the concept internationally - so that it wouldn't be an American project. I think I might try to lure countries away from the existing United Nations - unless the UN replaced the UN Charter with the US Constitution. I'd probably use about four million dollars to do the media/lobbying thing - which would involve seeking more funds from all socio-economic groups. The remaining ten million dollars would be set aside for emergencies - with five million dollars conservatively invested (possibly in a short-fund) - and five million dollars in cash (in an appropriate currency). Hopefully the initial media and lobbying blitz would shut down the United Nations - and bring all of the UN participating nations into The United States of the Solar System - with their UN dues now going into the USSS. The Roman Catholic Church would have to agree to offer the St. Mary's property at a reasonable price, for this plan to progress as envisioned. But this would not be an American or a Roman Catholic project. It would truly be a We the People of the Solar System project. Perhaps we could get the Pluto Dudes to kick in a couple of million dollars - in exchange for the USSS accepting a couple of their Plutocrats! What would the Rockefellers say? Or - would the bankrupt Crystal Cathedral be a possibility? Let's see - with a little positive and possibility thinking - we might be able to get something going around here! Perhaps we could use one of the Underground Bases as The United States of the Solar System Headquarters. It would be really cool if this were connected with the magneto-leviton train system! Perhaps we could get Mt. Weather! Now I'm really playing with fire! But really, I'm trying to think in post apocalyptic terms - with the Apocalypse completely removed from the equation. I don't think this solar system needs to be a warzone. I really don't wish to cut anyone out of this thing. This is supposed to be for everyone - including the current Powers That Be. I really wish to break the conquest/retribution cycle. I wish for the Elites and the Goyim to hold hands, and sing kumbaya on live television and the internet. "Live! From Mt. Weather! It's the opening session of The United States of the Solar System!" It would be basically the Secret Government - with live 24/7 coverage of all meetings - even, and especially, the most sensitive sessions. There would be complete transparency. What would the Bavarian Illuminati say? Bilderberg would have their annual meeting at the USSS headquarters. The Antarctica and Darkside of the Moon meetings would be rendered obsolete! What would Gizeh Intelligence say? We could use Dracs as guards! They're the ultimate supersoldiers, aren't they? I'd better stop. They have ways to make me stop.

    What if some of my speculations about a hypothetical 'Queen of Heaven' are correct? What if she rules a 'Secret Government' which rules all of us? What if there has been corruption, abuses, and atrocities? What if all of this has been absolutely necessary? What if idealism and high-minded ethics are a recipe for disaster? What if the truth is overrated? What if we really cannot rule ourselves? This whole subject is scaring the hell out of me. I'd like to see a non-corrupt and transparent solar system government - but what if a lot of the secret stuff needs to be retained? Can we have our cake - and eat it too? Could there be such a thing as an 'Open Secret Government'? I understand the need for people to work behind the scenes in ways which might not be understood by the general public. I also understand that the general public is not being educated to be responsible. I guess I'd like to see everything change - without anything changing. Continuity should be a top priority as we transition into a Brave New Solar System. The universe is filled with contradictions and absurdities - and I don't expect this to change anytime soon. It's probably good to probe and ask questions - but it's probably a bad thing to push too hard, and ask too many questions. I continue to wish to be an observer of sorts - with access - but no authority. You know - sort of a Palmer Joss ('Contact') type of person - who likes to watch. What would Raven say? Are there people who presently travel the solar system in antigravity craft - travel from underground base to underground base in magneto-leviton trains - and sit in on top meetings (including the most secret and sensitive ones)? Obviously - such a person, or persons, would not be allowed to go and blurt out everything to the press. There is obviously a time and a place for everything. But how do we properly cut down on the corruption and absurdities which have plagued humanity for thousands of years? I'm an idealist - but I'm also a realist.

    This man has the right idea! He gets it! He's been at this thing for a long time! I'm just starting to get it! Here is the website which describes World Citizenship and the World Passport! http://worldservice.org/index.html?s=1 Garry Davis rocks!!!

    I'm looking for people and organizations which are moving in the direction of the right kind of globalization. This whole thing should mostly be principle-driven rather than personality-driven - because people will rise and fall. There will always be personality clashes and power struggles - but sound principles and concepts will remain. As I study this subject, I like this thread more and more - but I like myself less and less. I wish I were competent and confident - to be able to promote an idealistic solar system governmental system - but I can't seem to responsibly govern my own miserable existence! Look for common people who are doing uncommon things - such as Garry Davis.

    There is no solution for civilization or even the human race, other than the creation of world government. -- Albert Einstein

    There is no first step to world government; world government is the first step. -- Emery Reves, The Anatomy of Peace, 1945

    Henceforth, every nation's foreign policy must be judged at every point by one consideration: does it lead us to a world of law and order or does it lead us back to anarchy and death? -- Albert Einstein

    For what it's worth - I just saw a couple of slow moving streaks of white light between me and the computer screen - as I was making this post. This sort of thing happens periodically. I don't know if it means anything of significance. I don't know if it's the good-guys or the bad-guys - but it appears to be a supernatural occurrance of some kind. The horror!

    To All of the Gods and Goddess - Good and Evil - Can We Resolve This Thing Already????

    This is just a renewed invitation to read through this thread, while listening to this music. http://www.themistsofavalon.net/universal-lounge-f8/saint-ouen-and-saint-sulpice-t1397.htm This is not a random request. I think this may be very important. This is not an attempt at indoctrination (although that could be one result!) - it is attempt to get you to think about what could be the most important topic of our time - or even in the entire sweep of human history. That might be a bit of an overstatement - but then again, perhaps it is an understatement...

    Consider this thread regarding 'Iverted Totalitarianism in America' http://www.themistsofavalon.net/universal-lounge-f8/inverted-totalitarianism-the-myth-of-democracy-in-america-t1446.htm Are we dealing with both corporate and political irresponsibility? Is the military/industrial/alien complex the biggest part of the corporate problem? Is the existence of a constitutional theocracy the biggest part of the political problem? Does the secret government really call the shots for all of the above? How would all of the above fare in a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System? What if just the word 'RESPONSIBILITY' were promoted worldwide, on an ongoing and prolonged basis? Would this eventually lead to that which I seek on this thread - or at least something close to it? Once again - it is probably more healthy for me to promote a general area of study - rather than specific solutions. I really just want to plant seeds. I'm a janitor and a gardener - if you know what I mean...

    Take a look at this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5lbTw0YrVo&feature=player_embedded

    I think AV1 and MOA are in the best interest of everyone - good, evil, neutral - everyone. The only way this thing will be properly resolved is with a free flow of polite controversial discussion - internationally and throughout the entire solar system. Can't we just all get along?

    Perhaps Lucifer is the Hermaphrodite/Hybrid/Reptile/Human/Nephilim/Interdimensional/Physical/God/Goddess of This World (and the Solar System?). Is Lucifer both Amen Ra and Hathor? Did Lucifer create all of the mythologies, theologies, gods, and goddesses - including Jesus and Mary? Did Lucifer create the Dracs and Greys? Is there really only one faction of Annunaki - under the command of Lucifer? Is Nibiru ruled by Lucifer? Is Lucifer the Ashtar Commander? Are we all Fallen Angels - who followed Lucifer to Earth? Have we been left to our own devices by the rest of the universe? Is Lucifer the script-writer, director, and actor/actress of "The God-Father-Mother"? Are NASA's Nazis, Masons, and Magicians - all Luciferian? Does Lucifer rule the United Nations, the United States, the City of London, and the Vatican? Were they all infiltrated from day-one? Are the three stars (upside-down or rightside-up) in the Republican logo (and Washington DC) representative of the three City-States? What would you say to Lucifer if you met him/her? I might tell you a story someday.

    One more time:

    1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6eTbhHE0jM

    2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z7O7UZxipM

    3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3A6_blpqpU

    I would/will/have befriend(ed) Lucifer - but I will not give an inch. I wish for peace - but I will not be a sucker for peace at any price. I'm really sort of neutral about the whole thing. I don't love or hate Lucifer. I really wish for Lucifer to completely embrace Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom and The United States of the Solar System. I think this will ultimately be in Lucifer's best interest - and in the best interest of the human race (and any other race) - even though it might not seem like it right now. This thread (and all of my internet posting) probably makes Lucifer absolutely furious - and I don't blame him/her! I'd be livid too! Once again - I realize this is playing with very, very hot fire. I really just wish for things to work out well for all concerned - including Lucifer. But really - I'm continuing to treat this whole thing as though it were just a science fiction novel. I don't know what's true - and what's pure, unmitigated popycock. This is just one big nightmare. I'm so numb - I almost don't care anymore...

    I'm in a mood. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7VQWAILSbY&feature=related What if Lucifer wrote the scripts and played the parts of ALL the Gods and Goddesses? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tpl6ncyxLGw Think about it...

    What is the next logical step for this tempest in a teapot? My answer is to basically keep doing what I'm doing. Nothing more. Nothing less. If there is some merit to this sort of thing, it will be up to the powers that be to properly research and implement this concept - or something similar to it. I'm just going to keep pretending that a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System is already a done-deal. If this ever becomes a reality - there will be zero gloating on my part. This would simply be the next logical evolutionary step. This very thing might have been a part of the master script for thousands of years. I'm simply going to attempt to get my psychological, spiritual, social, and financial house in order. I'd still like to be a Palmer Joss type of observer - with access but no authority. Keep watching and reading all of the science-fiction you can get your hands on - while keeping this thread in mind. There is so much information and forbidden knowledge presently available to the general public. It's almost as though disclosure has already occurred. Now - if everyone can keep their cool - I think we're going to be ok. Sweet Dreams.

    What if the Asteroid Belt, the Kuiper Belt, and the Oort Cloud are mostly spaceships? What if most of the planets and moons in this solar system are spaceships (including Earth and its Moon)? I continue to lean toward the practice of multidisciplinary research, accompanied by classical sacred music, lots of exercise in nature, lots of rest and sleep, interaction with other researchers, and lots of independent thinking and speculation. I am wary of being-assisted far journeys - in whatever state or dimension. I really wish to convert the whole damn universe to the concept of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom. I wish for it to be implemented here - but if there are really b@d@$$ beings (who scare the stuffings out of the Dracs) who are on their way to beat us into reverent submission - then we may need the assistance of other benevolent beings throughout the universe - to decisively deal with those who would do us harm. What if the Annunaki, the Greys, and the Dracs are Human/Reptile Hybrid Supersoldiers created by Lucifer in Underground Base Genetics Laboratories throughout the solar system? What if the really b@d@$$ incoming bunch originated in these same labs - and are travelling throughout the universe - engaging in heartless and cruel conquest? What if this solar system is a staging area for universal conquest - establishing a truly Universal Chruch Theocracy? I hope I didn't spoil anyone's day - but shouldn't we consider all of the possibilities? What would Lucifer say? I might not have to wait very long for an answer. Lucifer - can we cut the crap - and get to the point? I know I'm just a "commoner" - but I do have valid questions - which continue to go unanswered...

    I just want to repeat that I envision a perfected humanity living in a perfected solar system - WITHOUT ANY ARMAGEDDON OR EXTERMINATION OF ANY KIND. I think there may be malevolent forces in this universe who want us dead - or at least suffering - and wishing we were dead. I want to repeat also that if any of you (human or otherwise) are not here to help the human race achieve SUSTAINABLE RESPONSIBLE FREEDOM - then please leave this solar system now - without harming anyone or anything. I'm serious about a SOLAR SYSTEM EXORCISM. I'm serious about establishing a NAMASTE CONSTITUTIONAL RESPONSIBLE FREEDOM SOLAR SYSTEM AKA THE UNITED STATES OF THE SOLAR SYSTEM - BASED UPON RESPONSIBILITY AND THE U.S. CONSTITUTION. If any of you are waiting for me to change my mind - it isn't going to happen. I doubt that I have much clout - but I will continue to pretend that I do. What's funny about all of this - is that I'll probably be long-gone by the time this becomes a reality. This concept will probably rise from the ashes (phoenix-like) of a failed New World Order - so please prepare to rebuild this world - the right way.

    I've been reading 'The Gods of Eden' by William Bramley. Please, please read this book! It's amazing! Alex Collier was right to recommend it! My question is, 'am I a friend or a foe of the Gods of Eden?' Perhaps I am both friend and foe - their worst enemy and their best buddy. I really think that Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom is the wave of the future - even for the Gods of Eden - and even for Lucifer. I truly wish for things to work out well for ALL CONCERNED. If I owned a herd of cattle - why would I want them to be fighting with each other and exterminating themselves? Even if we are essentially cattle, why wouldn't our owners be better-off instituting a proper solar system government - with highly competent self-rule? Even if our masters are 1,000 times as intelligent as us - shouldn't we have a cordial and proper relationship? I don't really know where we are in the universal food-chain - but a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System would work well - whether we are at the bottom, middle, or top of the galactic pecking order. CAN COOLER HEADS PLEASE PREVAIL??!!

    What if everyone in the solar system lived on ten thousand to one-hundred thousand dollars (USD) a year? Would these amounts provide a reasonable floor and ceiling for a Responsible Free Enterprise - with no destitute poverty or extreme wealth? I don't necessarily like these numbers - but what is it going to take to make things work out reasonably well for everyone in the solar system? I fully support Constructive Competition - but at what point does wealth become anti-competitive? At what point does poverty begin destroying a civilization? Even if everything I have desired in this thread were handed to me on a silver-platter - I wouldn't necessarily be jumping up and down. I think we will all face huge problems and impossible decisions in the coming decades - no matter how this solar system is governed. We may be lucky to survive. Period.

    Perhaps I need to reconsider Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom. Perhaps the true Creator God of the Universe should rule this solar system, and the rest of the universe, as he or she sees fit. I have merely been trying to determine what went wrong in this solar system, and how to fix it. Aristocracy and Theocracy really didn't seem to work historically, and it seems that powerful entities, who are not the Creator God of the Universe, are attempting to play god here in this solar system. I simply didn't want Crusades, Inquisitions, Wars, and Atrocities to keep occurring. I simply wanted the madness to end - and for this solar system to be run properly. But judging from the response I have received - this solar system - and probably the rest of the universe - really does need a God to tell them what to do. But the Creator God of the Universe seems to be excluded from this solar system. Perhaps this is what needs to change. Perhaps the Creator God of the Universe needs to be invited back into this solar system. I continue to fly blind - without proper information - and this really isn't fair. How can I make proper decisions without proper information. So I'm going to stop pushing a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System - until I have better information upon which to make any kind of a determination regarding Solar System Governance. I'm sorry to have bothered all of you. God help us.

    This is just a renewed invitation to grapple with the subject of solar system governance. Again, I wish to change everything - and I wish to change nothing. I desire top-down evolutionary change - rather than bottom-up revolutionary change. I have stated that I do not wish to cut anyone out, or to cut anyone loose - including the existing powers that be. I realize that a lot of people hate the so-called powers that be - and frankly, they are not my favorite people (and other than people?) - but in the interest of continuity - they probably need to be included in the transition. Even if some of them are as corrupt as hell - they have a helluva lot of knowledge, experience, and expertise. It almost seems as though that which I desire will have to be implemented in an almost theocratic manner - which is really quite the contradiction. "You will embrace Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom - whether you like it, or not!" This would pi$$ everyone off - wouldn't it? But if it weren't done in this manner - how in the hell would it ever get implemented? No one would agree on anything - and we would fight and fight and fight - and then we'd be right back where we started - or worse. I am very, very, very afraid of the secret weaponry which may exist in this solar system. This needs to be properly managed - or we will exterminate ourselves. We won't have to wait for the Vengeful Deities to blast us to the brink of extinction.

    I'm not a poster-child for that which I am promoting. Just the opposite. If this is ever going to become a reality - others will have to make it work. I have been accused of repeating the same thing over and over and over - and of creating lengthy posts with dozens of questions - which no one wants to waste their time on. Mea Culpa. But W. Clement Stone used to say 'Repetition, Repetition, Repetition - and Action!!' Joseph Goebbels spoke of reducing an idea to its simplest form - and then repeating it over and over again - despite the objections of the intellectuals. Both of these men were correct. I have been attempting to use the concept of 'theme and variations' with regard to the United States of the Solar System. 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFE3l2wbOU0 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFtgN8Ju-VU&feature=related Do you get the counterpoint? I used to be able to play this piece quite well, believe it or not. The process will seem tedious and pointless - but I believe that the end-result will be quite profound and startling. Please take the time to go through this thread - and then think about it in a variety of contexts - including business, religion, politics, science-fiction, etc, etc. I believe that some of the people who do this will be some of the movers and shakers of the next couple of decades. I could be wrong about all of this - but the general area of study should be given plenty of attention. The world is getting smaller and smaller - and even the solar system is getting smaller. I am not racist, sexist, nationalist, elitist, etc. I am minimalist, globalist, constitutionalist, traditionalist, decentralist, etc. This whole thing continues to be an experiment. I just about quit yesterday - but here I am today.

    This whole thing is going to take a helluva lot of work and patience. There is so much information out there - and things are changing so quickly. I frankly think that a lot of people aren't going to be able to handle the coming changes - and that there may be a lot of people going insane or committing suicide. I have to mention this because I wish for people to be very thorough researchers - and then to be very tactful communicators. I prefer to keep this thread as an experimental tempest in a teapot - with very few people being exposed to it. This is sort of the crazy-stage - where the bugs get worked out. I doubt that I will do much beyond doing what I'm doing right now. Again - others will have to properly research and test the concept - and then implement it expertly - if it is found to be of significant value. Namaste.

    I'm going to continue to attempt to deal with this topic by pretending to be an insider - interacting with all aspects of the hypothetical Secret Government. I don't know where this will lead - but I doubt that it will end well - for me at least. I'm going to pretend to travel throughout the solar system as an ambassador or coordinator of sorts - who is trying to transform the Secret Solar System Government into a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System. I don't have a clue how to proceed - and I will step on a lot of very sensitive toes - connected to feet which can kick one where it counts - swiftly and firmly. The horror. This is just an experiment. I honestly don't know where I am going to end up on this adventure. I'm just poking and prodding. Who knows - I might end-up becoming a member of the Illuminati! This thread is basically a continuation of the 'United States of the Solar System' thread from AV1. I have been using the term 'Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System' more and more because it is so descriptive and concise. The U.S. seems to be in the doghouse - and it's not hard to understand why. But if the Secret Government rules the Visible Government - this may explain 90% of the problems. I just wish to keep conceptualizing Solar System Governance - from a wide variety of perspectives. I'm really trying to hijack the Secret Government and the New World Order - rather than fighting it. I'm a United Nations Country Club Constitutionalist - rather than a Shotgun and Constitution in My Truck Constitutionalist. I'm starting to get better acquainted with the Vatican, the United Nations, the City of London, and Washington D.C. I'm also looking at a lot of the fringe material regarding the Underground Bases and the Secret Space Program - but I'm trying to pretend like I'm a non-corrupt member of the Illuminati - or even to pretend (as strange and delusional as it seems) that I am a non-corrupt god or goddess (very small 'g') who is completely onboard with the U.S. Constitution and the Teachings of Jesus. This is a very strange space to be in - and I don't recommend these mind-games to everyone. Don't try this at home kiddies! I feel as though I am living it.

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    Post  orthodoxymoron Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:39 pm

    orthodoxymoron wrote:
    Raven wrote:
    orthodoxymoron wrote:
    Raven wrote:OrthordoxymorOn quote:

    Frankly my dear - I don't give a damn. Hell - with all of my blasphemous posts and delusions of grandeur - I could be the damn antichrist!


    Bingo!!!! Now go look in the mirror Satan  Archangelic Queens of Heaven and the United States of the Solar System - Page 15 245713

    Raven! Now you're getting nasty! You're so sexy when you're nasty! Does it sometimes take one to know one? Is this a case of the pot calling the kettle 'black'? Leo Zagami said that he was Christ (and that Amen Ra was his father) - so if I am opposed to Leo (especially in regard to his 'Prison - 2012 - Armageddon rant' - then I take that as a complement. Once again - I wish for everyone to be happy - and that means everyone - including you, Raven. Namaste.

    Yes Oxy it does take one to know one *wink* a black kettle indeed, womb of Isis. But then, YOU know . Archangelic Queens of Heaven and the United States of the Solar System - Page 15 245713
    I am extremely happy to know that my 'nasty' ways have turned you on Oxy, but we will chat later, I have an urgent task at hand.....well maybe its both hands... cyclops

    I am the Tree of Akhenaton and the Djed of Amen Rah Mirror of Hathor
    Raven

    No hard feelings, Raven. No, actually, I take that back. Think long and hard about that one. Speaking of back - I looked-up 'Djed' http://www.egyptartsite.com/symlst.html Speaking of Egypt - you remind me of Hathor. http://www.hulu.com/watch/62967/stargate-sg-1-hathor Double your pleasure by using both hands, Raven - but make sure that you have lots of Vaseline stockpiled in preparation for the coming earthchanges. These drawings were smuggled out of the Dulce Deep Underground Military Base by Thomas Costello. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOIaYGz-vY4&feature=related Incidentally - my primitive Red Letter Christology includes Egyptology. I really think this thing will work out well for everyone, including you, Raven. That text you quoted from the Gospels is interesting and troubling - and highlights my belief that the Bible is a mixed-bag and a big puzzle - which needs to be completely understood and solved. Still - I don't do the numerology and symbology thing very well - so I have left that to others - such as Dr. Desmond Ford, Dr. Erwin R. Gane, Dr. Tonyblue, Dr. Matrix, et al. At some point, I would love to speak with you, without the mind-games and nastiness. I realize that you are much more knowledgeable and experienced than I am - but I like ladies who are experienced, and who know what they're doing...
    SuiGeneris wrote:
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    Remember...

    You are in our VVOMB Oxy

    We Love you!!
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    Amzara Ishtara Behemoth of The Sacred Fires of Hell,

    DoveRaven and RavenDove of The Logos Womb, Mirrors of Hathor, AMEN RA


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    The Creator's Agony!!


    (A poem by Oxy as channeled through Xeia)

    A hundred years of solitude awaits me...
    for my Queen was banned from the Mists,
    we were happy and fine with our fists,
    but true fear and ignorance remains...
    see this fire that burns in my veins?
    It's my longing for her that berates me!
    scarred, torn is what equates me...
    in the wait I'm consumed with my pains.

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    Anointment of the ET-Breed/Clan
    in the preparation of the Logos-Family for Contact!!


    260+365=Tzolkin+Haab=265+360=Gestation+Ancient Circle Year=625=490+135=70 Weeks+9 Hours

    360 Days/24 Hours=15 Days/1 Hour and 135 Degrees=3x45 Degrees
    for sin245º=cos245º=(1/√2)2=½ with tan45º=1=½(Day of 12 Hours)+½(Night of 12 Hours) and sin245º+cos245º=1 for 135 Days as 3/8th of 360 degrees of a Circle Year and so 3/8th of a (Day+Night).

    Daniel.12:
    1And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
    2And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
    3And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
    4But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

    The Remembrances, triggered by the World Logos from the superconscious through the sieve of the subconscious shall 'resurrect' the 'Sleeping Witnesses' from Ezekiel's 'Valley of the Dry Bones'.
    It then will be affine transformations of the cosmic self, which will allow resonance or dissonance with the 'Words of the Awakener' of the slumbering memories.

    Daniel.9:
    24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

    70 Weeks are programmed for the Children of the Logos and a New World for the Old Humanity; to finish the transgressions of the cosmic laws and to end the human ignorance about themselves and the cosmic orders and to reharmonize the many misunderstandings and to bring in the eternal knowledge of the true nature of creation and beingness and to end all the timelines of the prophecies and to anoint the new breed of a Cosmic StarHumanity.

    25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

    Know therefore and understand that from the composition of the cosmic program by the playwright of the 'Story of Creation and the Cosmogenesis', to clarify the 'True Nature of God and his Goddess as HerHimself' and to build a new Cosmic Order upon the structure of the older one; and for the Collective Family or Clan of God and hisher Goddess; there shall be 7 weeks followed by 62 weeks. And the Path for the remembrance shall be built from the center of the local galaxy of the Perseus Image of Himself to the superlocal galaxy of the Andromedean Image of Herself - even in times of troubles and great upheavals, both individual and collective.

    26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

    And after 62 weeks shall the Female Logos of the Collective Redemption be cut off, but not in the individualised sense; and the Children of the Logos, thus awakened and anointed shall come and destroy the Old World of falseness and deception in both the exoteric-outer and the esoteric-inner sense of the falseness of the prince and princess being both object of truth and image of falsity.
    The Sanctuary of Old shall be destroyed for a Sanctuary of the New in the archetyped Noahic Flood from March 28th, 2011 to April 1st, 2012.
    The desolations of a mental world lost in its own failure of recognisance, shall continue until the end of the war of the Memeplexes on December 16th, 2013.

    27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

    And the Male Logos shall confirm the new archetypical order and program with many for one week in the sharing of it: and in the middle of this week, HeShe shall manifest the cessation of the .. and because of the end of the limits in the determined warpzone, the falsities and misconceptions in the human mind shall become emptied out and quarantined in their own confused illusions, even until the warpzone is consummated in the recalibration and resetting of the evolutionary timelines and agendas set in place at the beginning and throughout all cosmologies. And the program of the Logos shall become installed as the Software of the New Configuration, ready for Activation to be dispensed onto the audiences and computer users and as written by the playwright.


    To the Future!
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    December 17th, 2013=A New Script is Proposed in the 'Opening of the Book of Cosmic Life'
    December 16th, 2013=360th Day after the Birth=Ending of the Movie and the Old Script

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    August 3rd, 2013=225th Day of Weaning
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    December 21st, 2012=265th Day of Gestation=Birth Day of Gaia=1st Day of Weaning
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    April 4th, 2012=7th Day=D#490=4th Day of Gestation=End of Anointment Jubilee*
    April 3rd, 2012=6th Day=D#489=3rd Day of Gestation
    April 2nd, 2012=5th Day=Day#488=2nd Day of Gestation
    April 1st, 2012=Mirror Day=4th Midweek Day=D#487=Conception Day=1st Day of Gestation

    March 31st, 2012=3rd Day=D#486=Image of the 7th Day=End of the Warpzone
    March 30th, 2012=2nd Day=Day#485=Image of the 6th Day
    March 29th, 2012=1st Day=D#484=Image of the 5th Day
    March 28th, 2012=CutOff Day=D#483=4th Day=End of 62x7 or 434 days=Logos Fire Induction #3
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    April 3rd, 2011=D#123=490th Day as the End of the Jubilee from November 30th, 2009
    April 2nd, 2011=D#122=489th Day from the Jubilee, November 30th, 2009
    April 1st, 2011=D#121=488th Day from the Jubilee, November 30th, 2009
    March 31st, 2011=D#120=487th Day from the Jubilee, November 30th, 2009
    March 30th, 2011=D#119=486th Day from the Jubilee, November 30th, 2009
    March 29th, 2011=D#118=485th Day from the Jubilee, November 30th, 2009
    March 28th, 2011=D#117=484th Day from the Jubilee, November 30th, 2009=Logos Fire Induction #2
    ---
    December 1st, 2010=D#1=3rd Day in the Inside Mirror=Start of Anointment Jubilee*
    November 30th, 2010=D#-1=2nd Day in the Inside Mirror
    November 29th, 2010=D#-2=1st Day in the Inside Mirror
    November 28th,2010=D#-3=Mirror Day=4th Midweek Day=Cut Off Day of the Female Logos
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    March 28th, 2010=119th Day from the Jubilee, November 30th, 2009=Logos Fire Induction #1
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    January 18th, 2010=49th Day from the Jubilee, November 30th, 2009
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    December 1st, 2009=1st Day from the Jubilee
    November 30th, 2009=Begin of 70 Weeks Count as anniverserial Jubilee in the warpzone

    ----------------------------------------------------
    August 4th, 2008=Mirror Day for the Warpzone as Day #1335 in 1335+1335=2670 Days
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    December 8th,2004=Beginning of the Warpzone as Day #0 to April 1st, 2012=Day#2671

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    ↑ From the Past!

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    Old Human into New StarHuman --- or Not!

    Isaiah 54 (King James Version)

    Isaiah 54
    1Sing, O barren, thou that didst not bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife, saith the LORD.
    2Enlarge the place of thy tent, and let them stretch forth the curtains of thine habitations: spare not, lengthen thy cords, and strengthen thy stakes;
    3For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left; and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited.
    4Fear not; for thou shalt not be ashamed: neither be thou confounded; for thou shalt not be put to shame: for thou shalt forget the shame of thy youth, and shalt not remember the reproach of thy widowhood any more.
    5For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.
    6For the LORD hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.

    7For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.
    8In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the LORD thy Redeemer.
    9For this is as the waters of Noah unto me: for as I have sworn that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth; so have I sworn that I would not be wroth with thee, nor rebuke thee.
    10For the mountains shall depart, and the hills be removed; but my kindness shall not depart from thee, neither shall the covenant of my peace be removed, saith the LORD that hath mercy on thee.
    11O thou afflicted, tossed with tempest, and not comforted, behold, I will lay thy stones with fair colours, and lay thy foundations with sapphires.


    12And I will make thy windows of agates, and thy gates of carbuncles, and all thy borders of pleasant stones.
    13And all thy children shall be taught of the LORD; and great shall be the peace of thy children.
    14In righteousness shalt thou be established: thou shalt be far from oppression; for thou shalt not fear: and from terror; for it shall not come near thee.
    15Behold, they shall surely gather together, but not by me: whosoever shall gather together against thee shall fall for thy sake.
    16Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy.
    17No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD.

    Tonyblue (in Daniel's Lion den)




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    Post  orthodoxymoron Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:25 pm

    I really wonder where someone would end-up if they studied this thread (including all included links and books) -- and really took all of it very seriously -- for a full year??!! Has anyone done this yet??!! I feel as if I have simply defined the territory and named the game. I'm just getting started myself -- and I feel as if there are millions of people who are more qualified than I am -- to properly research and play this game. I seem to have way too much baggage to properly engage the enemy in this tempest in a teapot!! My computers are fighting with me -- as everything in my life continues to worsen. Plus, the viewcount has virtually stopped. Something seems to have changed within the past couple of months -- and not in ways beneficial to myself or to my tentative point of view. Perhaps my walk down Memory Lane has turned my very few observers away from this thread. But really, the points raised in my past posts continue to be ignored -- so why shouldn't I attempt to gain insights by reposting the best of the past??!! Unfortunately, one computer will not function at all, and the other barely functions. I suspect foul-play, but I can't prove it. I keep feeling as if I'm nearing the end of my present journey (whatever the hell that means). I hope the last post wasn't too graphic or upsetting. I'm really not like that -- and I was merely repeating some of the more colorful aspects of my internet escapades. Another thing. What if Adam dumped (or murdered?) Lilith -- and ran away with Eve??!! What if Adam was the real villian in the Garden of Eden??!! Just a thought!! Remember to keep considering ALL of the possibilities. Never stop studying the Bible -- but never stop questioning the Bible!!

    I'm about half an hour into this 'Solomon' movie right now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avfkIblvX_E&feature=related I just wanted to note that King David was played by Max Von Sydow. Max also played Jesus Christ in 'The Greatest Story Ever Told'. Was Hollywood trying to tell us something? What if King David and Jesus Christ were the same soul -- if not the same person? I continue to toy with my Reincarnating Archangel Hypothesis -- and my Recent Renegade Human Race as a Subset of an Ancient and Traditional Reptilian Race Theory. Again, this continues to be my version of Political and Theological Science Fiction. I just think that Esoteric Researchers need to be Biblical Scholars of the First Order. Leave the churches if you must (I have) but never stop thinking about theology. I left so that I might see things from everyone's perspective, rather than being primarily molded (and corrupted?) by the church. I've spent more time in churches than most religious people spend in churches, mosques, and synagogues -- in their entire lives. Really. My internet posting is a real Pastoral Potpourri. BTW -- check out the other movies linked on the right side of the 'Solomon' movie. Unfortunately, the burn-out and discomfort factors seem to make it impossible for me to properly deal with the mass of information I willingly subject myself to. BTW -- if the Jesus Old Soul showed-up in this present world -- he (she?) might simply piss everyone off by stepping on everyone's toes and questioning everything!! I once spoke with an attorney/writer/speaker who told me that the church wouldn't know what to do with Jesus if he showed-up!! All the churches and organizations would undoubtedly try to recreate Jesus in THEIR image, and after THEIR likeness.

    Consider this! www.space.com/15043-small-asteroids-earth-close-shave.html I've recently fantasized and written about living on a small asteroid in Earth Orbit. Didn't Alex Collier say something about Phobos and/or Deimos moving from Mars Orbit to Earth Orbit? Believe it or not, someone told me that they like me on Phobos!! If true -- would that be a good-thing or a bad-thing? I worry constantly about Asteroid-Attacks and Drac-Attacks. I really do. Didn't Bill Cooper refer to 'Intelligently-Guided Asteroids in Geosynchronous Orbit' around 1950 (in his famous 1989 MUFON lecture)? Perhaps the Beings of the Universe move throughout the universe in hollowed-out asteroid-spacecraft -- using the familiar disks and cigar-shaped craft when they arrive at their desired destination. You'd 'simply' need internal life-support and propulsion systems to turn an asteroid into a Bad-Asteroid Queen-Ship. Once again, I'm thinking of Humanity as being a Recent Subset of an Ancient Reptilian Race -- but even if I'm wrong -- what intelligent races might've predated the human race? I suspect a single Ancient and Traditional Race (with a multitude of variations on this central theme) -- with a renegade faction being responsible for the creation of the Human Race. What if our problems connected with Sex, Politics, and Religion are directly related to the Reptilian and Human differences regarding Physicality, Sexuality, Politics, and Religion??!! Could this be the key to interpreting the Bible??!! Anyway, I'm digressing -- and I still don't know if Reptilians really exist. I really don't.

    Real Elites and Whistle-Blowers Belong to Live Steam Clubs. I really think there are both good and bad elites -- and I think some basically good people got deceived by some basically bad other than people. My dream-home might be something like this (with a live-steam track circling the house)! BTW -- I have a Virgin Atlantic -- and I love to do the Locomotion! But that linked silo-home is probably way too upscale for me -- but it's still cool to think about. I think about a lot of things. If I placed a pipe-organ or an artificial-organ in that missile launch-tube -- I could turn it into a church -- and call it 'Orthodoxymoron and the Temple of Doom'. I could preach sermons to myself about 'The End of the World' or 'Sinners in the Hands of an Angry Orthodoxymoron'! See how sick I am???!!! Or that launch-tube could be used to garage a Sport-Model UFO!!! I could put a Formula One Ferrari in the garage!!! Or at least a 1098cc Ducati!!! I could zip up and down that landing-strip at 175 mph!!! I need to stop. I really do. Wouldn't this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H036mUwO7nA be a really cool location for a Galactic Rand Corporation??!! http://www.missilebases.com/adironback Imagine a dozen unconventional scholars and a Cray supercomputer (with twelve terminals) -- solving solar system problems 24/7!! Or -- would this sort of thing create problems??!! Would the participants spy on each other and leak sensitive information to various factions??!! As fun as this sort of thing sounds, it might be a living hell for the participants. The problems might be THAT bad. I suspect that they are -- but I'd still like to be involved in such an enterprise -- even if it did me in. I will continue to think in terms of a Perfected Humanity Living in a Perfected Solar System -- Constructively Interacting with the Beings of the Universe -- Without Star Wars. Hope Springs Eternal. Someone might wish to consider buying all of the linked property at a fire-sale price -- and using it for something similar to what I've suggested. I like the idea of really, really bright people solving monumental problems -- without being creepy, corrupt, or violent. Why is this so hard??!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTX_MxBGGq4 Does anyone see what I'm hinting at??!! I know I'm crazy -- but I'm crazy in a good way!! One more thing. If I'm one of the 'Chosen Twelve' -- could the other eleven be really smart and really beautiful females??!! Pretty Please!!! http://www.google.com/search?q=adirondack+silo+home+images&hl=en&qscrl=1&nord=1&rlz=1T4RNRN_enUS423US424&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=D4ZzT4ScN4bUiALRnPiVCw&sqi=2&ved=0CCIQsAQ&biw=1440&bih=737

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    Post  orthodoxymoron Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:37 pm

    Do you think this thread reflects the 'real-me'? Do you think it's merely a 'red-herring'? Is this a test? Do you think it might be all of the above?

    Anyway, if you think you understand Watergate -- consider reading 'The Secret Plot to Make Ted Kennedy President' by Geoff Shepard, 'Family of Secrets' by Russ Baker -- and then rewatching 'All the President's Men', 'The Pelican Brief', and 'State of Play'. Have fun! We're all sort of turning into Paranoid Pseudo-Agents -- aren't we? Is this by design -- or is there simply too much information and danger out there? BTW -- someone who should know, told me that the Bush Clan sold out rather quickly -- but I personally do not know this to be a fact. Joe Kennedy and Prescott Bush are persons of interest -- at least to me! Also, Nicola Tesla is a VERY interesting person! I should stop. Is it constructive to think about how things REALLY work -- or is this inherently destructive and destabilizing? Should we simply leave that sort of thing for the 'experts' to sort out?? My personal feeling is that the general public should attempt to inform themselves -- but that they should not become obsessed with intrigue. I have to force myself to think about the dark side of life -- and I've frankly had more than enough. I get the general picture -- but I certainly do not wish to know too much!! I'm more paranoid than James Jesus Angleton!! That mole!!

    Consider studying the subject of 'Royalty' relative to this thread. Consider consulting your 'Inner King and Queen' as your 'Higher-Selves'!! We are fond of this practice!! I continue to like a combination of the Royal-Model and the Servant-Model regarding Solar System Governance. My guess is that this thread is probably a decade ahead of its time!! See if I'm right!! I just wished to get a select core of humans and other-than-humans thinking about the subject -- in the manner in which I've presented it -- so as to influence what is sure to be a future major issue. I'd still like to talk to a City-State or United Nations insider about this sort of thing. Actually, I'd like to talk to the Mists of Avalon Members about this sort of thing. I've been trying to do just that -- but I think I've really pissed-off a lot of individuals with my posting -- so I guess I shouldn't expect much conversation -- and maybe that's just as well -- for now anyway. I get the feeling that God is watching me from a distance. I really mean no harm -- and my irreverence should actually be taken as being keen interest -- rather than disrespect. I'm simply trying to figure-out why this world is such a mess -- and I continue to think that Politics and Religion are at the center of the problems -- but I'm not sure exactly how and why. Perhaps I should post a commandment by commandment analysis of the Ten-Commandments. What if the Ten-Commandments became the Law -- and were enforced by Civil Authorities???!!! Can you even begin to imagine the riots and running in the streets???!!! Please give 'The Law of God' some serious and deep thought. This subject might be more important than any of us think. I frankly wouldn't have a problem with observing the Seventh-Day Saturday-Sabbath in that proposed Galactic Rand Corporation. I'm simply having huge issues regarding how 'Holy Days' relate to modernity on a macro-level -- which is why I have been toying with the 'Every-Day a Sabbath-Day' and 'All of Life is Sacred' concepts. I don't desire less sprituality. I desire more spirituality. But I desire the right-type of spirituality. This is tricky territory -- to say the least.

    Have any of you read a dictionary from cover to cover? What if one read all manner of dictionaries as a hobby? You know -- antique dictionaries, medical dictionaries, law dictionaries, business dictionaries, etc, etc, etc. This might be a very beneficial mental exercise!! I'm presently reading a 'Star Wars' Dictionary and a Business Dictionary. I'm attempting to broaden my horizons!

    Does anyone have any ideas regarding where I can properly discuss the information in my threads? Many might not get what I'm getting at -- and those who do get it might be VERY opposed to my thinking. There just hasn't been a proper conversation -- in at least three years of posting. Please refer to the previous post regarding a Galactic Rand Corporation. Is this a possibility? How would this become a reality, without becoming corrupt and creepy? You know -- the road to hell being paved with good intentions, and all. Consider the linked silo -- and the possibility of turning that launch-shaft into an underground highrise!! But consider devoting one room (with a very high ceiling) to being a music-room (complete with a small pipe-organ)! I like to dream. It's all I can really do. Everything else has turned to ashes, as we seem to be on the brink of extinction. I really am reduced to an internal and personal debate. Perhaps this is the way it will always be. Perhaps this is the way it's been for me for millions of years. This wouldn't surprise me in the least.

    Regarding the 2011 Outer Space Treaty -- What do we know about the Weaponization of the Galaxy and Universe? If we live in a Galaxy and Universe which is hostile to Humanity -- how might we defend ourselves if we do not weaponize the Solar System? Also, I'm not real keen on the United Nations and the U.N. Charter -- especially if it trumps the U.S. Constitution and Congress. We would need to know the true state of affairs throughout the universe before intelligently crafting and signing any Outer Space Treaties -- wouldn't you say??? Carol Rosin seems to feel as if ALL ET's are good. Should we be so certain??? How might we define 'good'? How might the Dracs define 'good'? How might the Greys define 'good'? How might Hybrids define 'good'? How do Humans define 'good'? How might each of these groups view the weaponization of space -- especially pertaining to this solar system? What if Nibiru is presently in a circular orbit -- safely beyond the orbit of Pluto? Should they be included in any U.N. Outer-Space Treaties? What if Mars is filled with Planet-Busting WMD's? What if we are dealing with Battlestar Moon???!!! What if the Hypothetical Orion-Sirius-Egyptian-Roman Empire is REALLY pissed-off at the idea of a United States of the Solar System -- and what if they are threatening to strike back if a U.S.S.S. is established???!!! This Solar System Governance Stuff (SSGS) could be unimaginably complex and nasty. Who knows what evil lurks throughout this Galaxy???!!!

    One more time -- I don't really care if people (and other than people) agree with me on much of anything -- but I would very much appreciate people (and other than people) properly studying the material in this thread -- in both a devotional and scholarly manner. I think this is VERY important. Somewhat relatedly, I think people should study the Bible and Theology -- even if they don't believe in any sort of deity (major or minor). This is all about mental and spiritual exercise. I desire that the civilization in this solar system become VERY advanced and refined -- but I certainly don't have the methodology all figured-out. I simply sense that we can do a helluva lot better. We'd better become highly refined -- with all of the destructive technology -- before we exterminate ourselves -- and before the universe orders us out of the gene-pool. I kid you not.

    My quest has given me a greater appreciation and contempt regarding the REAL Solar System Powers That Be. Changing the Guard might not really change much of anything. Circumstances might determine most everything -- and even the PTB might be relatively powerless to redirect certain trends and events. Some things might simply have to 'play-out' -- whether anyone likes it or not. I am more convinced than ever, that this thread is worthy of serious study -- yet I have never been more contemptuous regarding myself. Once again, I feel as if I am in profound and intense conflict with Divinity, Humanity, and Myself. I frankly don't see a Happy Ending and Living Happily Everafter. I see this madness grinding forward in a rather messy manner -- going forward for thousands of years. I continue to be a mixture of Incurable Optimism and Unyielding Despair. I would NOT expect any future involvement with Solar System Governance to make me (or anyone else) happy. The Honeymoon Period would probably rock -- but once the novelty wore off, and reality set in, it might really suck!! The Current PTB might hate their jobs!! Who knows??!!

    What if there were a Solar System King, Solar System Vice-King, Solar System Queen, and Solar System Vice-Queen? What if they ruled in a Minimalist-Palace on the Moon? What if they worked 12 hour shifts (12 on -- 12 off -- each and every day)? What if they primarily oversaw the proper operation of the United States of the Solar System? What if their roles were primarily observational, ambassadorial, ceremonial, and public-relational? Just keep thinking in terms of a Minimalist Theocratic United States of the Solar System -- even though this is somewhat tricky and dangerous. What if there were a 'King A', 'King B', 'Queen A' and 'Queen B'??!! "Queen B is on the Throne!!" "Queen B is on the Throne!!" "Long Live Queen B!!" "Long Live Queen B!!" "So Say We All!!" "So Say We All!!"

    What if the Biblical Chronology concerning a 6,000 year-old Earth is descriptive of the 6,000 year history of 'Modern Man' and 'Modern Civilization'? Consider reading the works of Zechariah Sitchin and William Bramley -- side by side. I'm presently reading 'The Twelth Planet' while re-reading 'The Gods of Eden'. I'm also reading 'Foxe's Annals of the Martyrs' and 'Jesus: Last of the Pharaohs'. All of the above seem to fit together in a somewhat upsetting manner. The theme of a Problematic Divinity (singular or plural -- upper-case 'd' or lower-case 'd') continues to interest me. What if there is an unhappy medium between Idealistic Fundamentalist Theology -- and Hardcore Atheism? What if no one really wishes to properly deal with God?? I've been trying -- but I think I might have to step away from all of this, and let everything settle. Perhaps I need to heal my spirit with massive doses of positive-thinking and a change of scenery. Please take the torch, and run with it, and see how much progress you can make!!! It's a nasty job -- but somebody's gotta do it!!!

    My home computers are dead -- and my internet connection no longer exists -- so I am limited to the library computer -- one hour a day -- six days a week. I've seen the view counts on my threads virtually stop over the past month -- so I'm thinking my self-styled 'mission' might be over. I've stopped writing my book, since my computers are dead -- and my book thus far is probably lost -- so I'm really trying to move on -- as I await Armageddon. I've decided to read the complete works of William Shakespeare (with a special emphasis on 'Antony and Cleopatra') -- in addition to the stack of books I'm presently working on. I'm very disillusioned by the electronic, human, other than human, and unseen supernatural surveillance -- so I'm trying to not talk -- not even when alone in my own home. I have recently been told, to my face, that 'I'm going crazy' and that 'I'm talking to the voices in my head'. These comments would not have been made if those who made them hadn't been aware of my internet activities -- and I have communicated none of this to those who I come in contact with in 'Real-Life'. You 'Secret Agents' aren't so secret -- and I am not oblivious to your 'Behind My Back Activities'. I know a helluva lot more than you think. Is there a 'Mole in Your Midst'? I think this world might be on the brink of some sort of a 'God-Off' -- and I doubt that it will be pretty. Anyway, that's my sad version of why things are so quiet around here.

    Remember that I said right from the beginning (and throughout my short posting career) that most of my posting activity is highly-speculative and science-fictional in nature??!! Did some of you fail to comprehend what I meant by that??? I'm fatigued, disillusioned, and disgusted -- but I really don't think I'm crazy -- and I certainly don't hear voices in my head -- let alone talk to them or obey them. Unfortunately, I think that some of my spies and critics will really and truly go completely insane as the real facts of the matter emerge -- but I so hope that I'm wrong.

    Consider reading the 'Holy Bible' (KJV) and the 'Federalist Papers' from cover to cover -- a dozen times -- side by side -- before December 21, 2012 -- as a mental and spiritual excercise -- in preparation for what might transpire in the near future. Consider especially the relationship between Responsibility and Freedom -- relative to Divinity and Humanity. This might be Supremely Important.

    Consider a sophisticated composite of Diana and Anna ("V"), Adria and Vala Mal Doran ("Stargate SG-1"), Rachael Constantine ("Contact"), Alaya and Restik ("Dr. Who") and Amen Ra ("Stargate") -- in both Good and Evil forms. Good Anna v Bad Anna??? Would a Solar System Administrator need to be a Good AND Bad Anna -- simultaneously and continuously? Idealism tempered with Pragmatism? Think about it.

    History is a Very Interesting Mess. I continue to like the idea of Political and Theological Science Fiction -- Past, Present, and Future. However, my computers are dead, and I am close to brain-dead, so my options are somewhat limited at the moment. I wish to make it clear that I don't hate Roman Catholics. I just think that studying the Roman Catholic Church is an extremely important aspect of any esoteric journey. Unfortunately, there are a lot of skeletons in the confessionals -- and a lot of historical problems are coming to the attention of the general public -- via the internet. I certainly do not envy the priests these days. Priests in the Hands of Angry Parishioners!! What Would Monseigneur Bowe Say?

    Anyway, I am learning a lot by rereading 'The Gods of Eden' by William Bramley -- 'Rule by Secrecy' by Jim Marrs -- 'The Keys of This Blood' by Malachi Martin -- 'The Great Controversy' by Ellen White -- 'Behold a Pale Horse' by Bill Cooper -- 'The Twelth Planet' by Zechariah Sitchin -- 'SS Brotherhood of the Bell' by Joseph Farrell -- and 'The Holy Bible' in the King James Version. Now I'm going to start going through both 'Red Pill' threads by Brooke. This stuff all fits together -- but the BIG PICTURE is most upsetting and disorienting -- to me anyway. I can only imagine how bad the InfoWar is going to get in the coming years. I'm having to back off of a lot of this madness -- so that I am able to have half a chance of responding responsibly -- in my own time and way. I'm going to be spending a lot of time reading through the 'Red Pill' thread. http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t791-egyptian-folklore-and-the-red-pill-part-1?highlight=red+pill I'm also going to be spending some quality time on a particular religious site http://spectrummagazine.org/search/node/orthodoxymoron -- but I won't be posting -- although I have posted in the past. Notice especially the 'Good News Tour' thread. http://spectrummagazine.org/blog/2008/08/21/good-news-tour-bringing-maxwell-back-llu The following excerpts are examples of my participation some years ago.

    orthodoxymoron - Tue, 08/26/2008 - 06:27
    I enjoyed attending Graham Maxwell's Sabbath School class at LLU. His emphasis on seeing God's love in all 66 books of the Bible was especially helpful. I once suggested to Dr. Maxwell that the SDA interpretation and application of Christianity was a 'Religion of Responsibility.' He approved.

    I love the picture of Jesus and Bin Laden. I placed it on the wall of my office at an Episcopal church. No one objected.

    Did God the Father, Son, or Holy Spirit require the sanctuary service? Or was it Satan who required the sanctuary service? The sanctuary service involved sacrifice(killing) and ultimately human sacrifice. When we hear about heathens sacrificing their children, we cringe in horror(I do). But isn’t traditional Christianity centered in God the Father sacrificing his child? Is there a problem here? Does the sanctuary service involve a sort of appeasement of ‘the gods’?

    It seems to me that Satan had more to do with the sanctuary service than God. Jesus did away with the sanctuary service. It further seems that Satan claimed ownership of the human race, and required worship, and that God had to literally strike a deal with the Devil to liberate us. Jesus waged spiritual warfare with all the forces of hell and won, thus opening the door for our liberation. The death of Christ on the cross was symbolic of a victory which had already occured. The spike that was driven through Christ’s heel continued through the serpent’s head. Unfortunately the serpent is still writhing and will continue to do so until human beings win a spriritual warfare with the forces of hell in a manner similar to that of Christ. Jesus showed the way, but he has had few true followers for nearly 2,000 years now. Ellen White tried to rally the troops, but few seemed to grasp the full implications of her ministry. So this thing keeps dragging on and on. A concerted spiritual warfare might well culminate in what is refered to as Armageddon. Satan and his cohorts will not give this earth up without a huge fight.

    The substitutionary atonement was not to satisfy a bloodthirsty God…but rather to silence the demons infesting this earth. The crucifixion of Christ was the first payment, and when a critical mass of human beings do what Jesus said to do, the 2nd and final payment will be made. Might this be the final application of the atonement that Adventists catch so much flack over? Does Satan, rather than God, require the so called Investigative Judgement? Isn’t Satan the ultimate legalist?

    Forensic-only justification is legalistic. It is simplistic legalism(Ford's better idea) offered as the solution to complex legalism(historic Adventism). Responsibility is the real solution....being responsible caretakers of our world, ourselves, and each other...by exercising personal responsibility. Being right with God and others...by being right with God and others...not simply being declared to be right. But perfection is not required...because God is not a legalist. We can always do better...but we should not have a nervous breakdown trying to be 'perfect'. There should be Kaizen(continual improvement)...without ever 'arriving'. We don't have to be 'perfect' to be 'good enough' for God. An Adventist school I attended had the motto 'where only the best is good enough'.

    Furthermore, does Revelation teach a 'Final Solution' which involves killing all 'undesirables'? In other words, human beings being killed by a God of Love for rejecting a God of Love. I have stated this very bluntly...but is this a misrepresentation?

    For those who choose to follow Satan...would it be ethical and appropriate to allow them to follow and worship their leader on a distant 'Devil's Island' planet for all eternity...rather than being tortured or killed by God?

    This is a hard saying. Who can hear it?

    orthodoxymoron - Tue, 08/26/2008 - 10:04
    Tom: This is obviously heresy. Go ahead...burn me! It is simply my attempt to make sense out of salvation history...to help to explain the delayed return of Christ...and to deal with concepts which have drawn fire from Adventist critics for more than a century.

    The Great Commission has been at the back of the bus for 2,000 years. "Then Jesus came to them and said, 'All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and TEACHING THEM TO OBEY EVERYTHING I HAVE COMMANDED YOU. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."---Matthew 28:18-20(NIV).

    Have Christians been busy doing this for 2,000 years...or doing everything but this? Is this the Great Omission? I'm guilty too. I'm no poster child. By the way, why does Jesus say 'all authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me?' Given to him by whom, and when? Did he win this authority away from Satan during his earthly ministry? Is this the first part of the deal with the Devil(Holy Place phase)? Is doing what Jesus told us to do the second and final part of this deal(Most Holy Place phase)? Is this where the Investigative Judgment comes in? If people don't do what Jesus said to do...the salvation of the human race is not a done-deal. Some might even call it insubordination.

    I have problems with the scriptural(Dan. 8:14, Heb. 9;12) and numerical aspects(2300 days/years, 1844) of the Investigative Judgment...as well as that it is something which God needs or requires(the Lord knows them that are his). But if it is something which Satan requires as a part of a legalistic, lawyer-like, celestial courtroom, universal power struggle, legal wrangling regarding the souls of men and the fate of the human race at the end of this present darkness...then I am all ears. It can help to explain why 2,000 years after Jesus paid it all, and saved the human race...things are worse than ever. Does anyone know how many people have been tortured, injured, or killed in wars since Ellen White died in 1915? So what went wrong? We can't say everything is fine when it obviously is not. I don't think Ellen White was kidding when she wrote, 'Christ is waiting with longing desire for the manifestation of Himself in His church. When the character of Christ shall be perfectly reproduced in His people, then shall the Lord come to claim them as His own.'--Christ's Object Lessons, pg 69. Try taking the teachings of Jesus seriously, and start talking about them and implementing them at the local church or conference level...and see how much trouble you get into. How about the 28 Fundamental Teachings of Jesus Christ? How about Teachings of Jesus Seminars? This applies to all Christian churches. Christianity is a religion about Jesus...not the religion of the teachings of Jesus. Who needs the Anti-Christ? To answer Des Ford's question, 'Investigative Judgment: Theological Milestone or Historical Necessity?' The answer is both. The early Adventist/Millerite mistakes should be freely admitted...but the Investigative Judgment should be promoted and defended on a conceptual level...extrapolating from the issues involved in the Great Controversy between Christ and Satan in the Conflict of the Ages. This isn't a fairy-tale.

    I have a hunch that Herb Douglas would not agree with me. I think I believe in a sort of ‘harvest eschatology’…but certainly with a very different flavor than that which is found in ‘Why Jesus Waits’ or in ‘Jesus: Benchmark of Humanity’. To me, the U.S. Constitution and the Red Letter Teachings of Jesus are much more important than the 28 Fundamentals. I’m probably more on the wavelength of the following:

    “Not many people of moderate persuasion have much sway in the church any more. I was reminded why recently when the Episcopal Church did two important things: It elected a woman bishop to head the denomination, and it backtracked on appointing gay bishops. The first move seems Christian. Women deserve to hold church office as much as political office (one diocese, however, was so incensed that it voted to leave the church, and worldwide there are still Anglican movements that do not permit women to be bishops or ordained priests). The second move was an act of cowardice because it did not reflect the ideals of love in Christianity and was motivated by reactionaries in the Episcopal denomination. Countering a long tradition of laissez-faire tolerance, the reactionaries have gotten tough and threatened to form their own church if gays are promoted in the priesthood. The worldwide Anglicans are more intolerant, upholding that homosexuality is forbidden, unnatural, wrong or an outright sin, depending on who is doing the disapproving. You'd think that someone would stand up and ask a simple question: Who are we to condemn gays if Christ didn't? In fact, who are we to condemn any sinner, since Christ didn't? Christianity is about forgiveness, and for the past two decades, as fundamentalism swept through every Protestant denomination, moderates and liberals have been driven out, and were roundly condemned as they left. Along with them went tolerance and forgiveness, not to mention love. Did Christ teach love or is that just a liberal bias? In the current climate, it's hard to remember, but one thing is certain: Once a tight cabal of fundamentalists takes over any denomination, Christ's teachings go out the window. The reversal of Christianity from a religion of love to a religion of hate is the greatest religious tragedy of our time. Those of us who haven't been swept up in worldwide fundamentalism, which has corrupted Islam, Hinduism and Judaism as well, have been caught in a double bind. We can't join any sect that preaches intolerance, yet we can't fight it, either, because by definition fighting is a form of intolerance. To escape this double bind, moderates have stayed silent and stayed home. But that tactic failed. As healthy as it is to nourish your own devotion and faith, it's disastrous to allow extremists to take over the church, because the statehouse, the board of education, the Congress, and eventually the presidency are next. Perhaps civil society will solve the problem of religious extremism. So far it hasn't. America finds itself in the sad plight of being the world's most prominent secular society hijacked by sectarians. One can only hope that the church comes to its senses and regains its moral center. If that doesn't occur, the core teachings of Christ will be lost, for all intents and purposes, to this generation.” --- Deepak Chopra. (Deepak Chopra is the author "Peace is the Way," which won the Quill Award in 2005 as well as 41 other books. He is also the founder and president of the Alliance for a New Humanity, an international network of people from all walks of life who are networking together to see a positive change take place in the world. This article appeared in the San Francisco Chronicle in 2006.)

    orthodoxymoron - Tue, 08/26/2008 - 13:17
    When Jesus 'paid it all' on the cross...who or what got paid? Wasn't that enough? And why didn't heaven begin right at that moment...or at least at the resurrection? Something seems to be missing here...a missing-link, if you will. What is Jesus waiting for? Do the teachings of Jesus support salvation by grace through faith? Do they support character-related salvation? What about Matthew 25:31-46? If salvation is character-related...then perhaps the realization of heaven, and the end of Satan's reign of terror, is also character-related. It's not over till it's over...and this mess obviously isn't over by a long-shot. My suspicion is that Satan won't let go until he or she absolutely has to. We seem to be hostages...and until all conditions of release have been met...we will remain in this prison-like situation.

    ”When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another.” Thus Christ on the Mount of Olives pictured to His disciples the scene of the great judgment day. And He represented its decision as turning upon one point. When the nations are gathered before Him, there will be but two classes, and their eternal destiny will be determined by what they have done or have neglected to do for Him in the person of the poor and the suffering. In that day Christ does not present before men the great work He has done for them in giving His life for their redemption. He presents the faithful work they have done for Him. To those whom He sets upon His right hand He will say, “Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.” But those whom Christ commends know not that they have been ministering unto Him. To their perplexed inquiries He answers, “Inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.” Those whom Christ commends in the judgment may have known little of theology, but they have cherished His principles. Through the influence of the divine Spirit they have been a blessing to those about them. Even among the heathen are those who have cherished the spirit of kindness; before the words of life had fallen upon their ears, they have befriended the missionaries, even ministering to them at the peril of their own lives. Among the heathen are those who worship God ignorantly, those to whom the light is never brought by human instrumentality, yet they will not perish. Though ignorant of the written law of God, they have heard His voice speaking to them in nature, and have done the things that the law required. Their works are evidence that the Holy Spirit has touched their hearts, and they are recognized as the children of God. How surprised and gladdened will be the lowly among the nations, and among the heathen, to hear from the lips of the Saviour, “Inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.” How glad will be the heart of Infinite Love as His followers look up with surprise and joy at His words of approval!’—Desire of Ages pgs. 685 & 686 (Home Library Edition)

    orthodoxymoron - Wed, 08/27/2008 - 14:21
    'The church's one foundation 'tis Jesus Christ her Lord' Are the Teachings of Jesus first and foremost in your church? If not, why not? Who's church is it, anyway? Are most, if not all, sermons preached from the words of Christ? If not, why not? Ask the hard questions. Get to the bottom of this thing. The answer seems to be blowing in the wind…judging from all of the hot air you are likely to encounter…

    It’s sort of like inviting a living President of the United States to a meeting of “supporters” and then seating him at the rear of the auditorium, and having other people give their speeches praising the name of the President, but without asking the President to be the keynote speaker. The name of Jesus gets praised to highest heaven, but the words of Jesus are often figuratively seated at the back of the church. How rude! Was it something He said?

    Is Christianity the Teachings of Jesus believed and lived…or is it a ritualized religion about Jesus…paying little attention to what the Second Person of the Trinity actually said?! I have sometimes gotten the impression that Christians feel that Christ's place is on the cross on the wall of the church...but that the important business of doctrine is best left to Moses, Paul and the theologians. Jesus is expected to be seen, but not heard, and certainly not obeyed. In fact, Jesus is supposed to obey US when we pray for something!

    Every sermon should be preached from the Teachings of Jesus. But context is important. The Old Testament is contextual, but not normative. Acts to Revelation is likewise contextual, but does not have veto power over the words of Jesus Christ. The Apostle Paul is not the Fourth Person of the Godhead. Sorry Paul...

    orthodoxymoron - Thu, 08/28/2008 - 05:18
    The life and sacrifice of Christ are viewed as perfect and all sufficient. But unfortunately, believing what Jesus said, and doing what Jesus told us to do, is viewed as imperfect and insufficient. We need Paul. Perhaps we should call Christianity...Paulianity. I have decided to follow Jesus. Though none go with me...still I will follow.

    orthodoxymoron - Fri, 08/29/2008 - 05:36
    I say: "The life and sacrifice of Christ are viewed as perfect and all sufficient. But unfortunately, believing what Jesus said, and doing what Jesus told us to do, is viewed as imperfect and insufficient."

    You say: No oxy...what Jesus said and what he told you to do are not imperfect...you and I are.

    I say: If the Teachings of Jesus are perfect, and Jesus is God...why are they not considered to be a notch higher in authority than the sermonizing of a mere mortal?

    He said: When Paul's writings are not considered on par with the red letter quotes, then you're coming against a brick wall.

    You say: Yes...matter of fact Frank, you are coming against a brick wall and waste our time when one with whom we converse does not see the scriptures to be divinely inspired and the final authority for faith and practice.

    I say: There is a difference between divinely inspired and supremely authoritative. I consider all 66 books to be divinely inspired. I consider the words of Jesus, the Divine One, to be supremely authoritative. Did God or humans select the 66 books which were included in the canon? Why wasn't it 65 books or 67 books? Did Paul write and preach about everything which Jesus commanded? This is what Jesus said to do in the Great Commission. Is there expository preaching with exegesis of the teachings of Jesus in the Pauline Epistles? Do you consider Leviticus 20 and 21 to be part of 'the final authority for faith and practice' for us today? What is your interpretation of Matthew 25:31-46? How readest U2?

    orthodoxymoron - Tue, 09/09/2008 - 05:32
    What did Jesus have to say about the 3 angels messages? Are they part of the Great Commission? Does Revelation describe a violent 'final solution' of destroying heretics with fire? Is the 'Father' who Jesus refered to, the Old Testament 'Father' or a different 'Father'? Ellen White probably has so many of the theories of the atonement because scripture itself has several different approaches to this subject. This is one reason why I prefer to rely primarily on the words of Christ. Jesus describes a non-legalistic, non-perfectionistic, character-related, relational method of salvation for human beings...while His life and crucifixion pays off the legalistic, beady snake-eyed Satan.

    orthodoxymoron - Tue, 09/02/2008 - 15:08
    Faith and Doubt need to counterbalance each other to maintain spiritual, emotional, and intellectual balance. This takes a lot of work...and often pain. As Des said at the end of his Forum lecture, 'you can have truth or repose...you can have one or the other...but you can't have both.'

    orthodoxymoron - Mon, 09/08/2008 - 05:12
    I have a huge problem with the God of the Old Testament and Revelation. I have no problem with Jesus, who is God. When we see Jesus, we see the Father. I do not see Jesus in the God of the Old Testament and Revelation. Someone please show me Jesus in Leviticus 20 and 21. Is this the 'god of this world' instead? Doesn't Satan misrepresent the character of God...indeed the character of Christ? Are many church members unwittingly involved in Satan-worship? What if Satan controls the Occult, Paganism, Atheism...and Christianity? Why wouldn't Satan play all sides to control the human race?

    orthodoxymoron - Tue, 09/09/2008 - 05:39
    Was that Mary Richards? As I remember, she was very cheerful and enthusiastic. The following video features H.M.S. Richards, Sr. describing his eye-witness account of the preaching and praying of Ellen White: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0AZBWLq4BU

    orthodoxymoron - Wed, 09/10/2008 - 13:53
    Graham Maxwell once told his SS class about being in the library at the University of Chicago, and overhearing two students who were about to graduate with doctorates in religion, whispering, "We don't believe this @#$!!%?!! stuff...so how are we going to teach it??"

    Steven Speilberg's Jewish step-mother used to regularly attend Graham Maxwell's SS class at LLU. She was very bright and charming.

    How about universalism/compartmentalization? Separate the good guys and gals from the bad guys and gals and put them on different planets, and post guards to keep the wicked on their Devil's Island Prison Planet. Hey...what if we are all the bad guys and gals...and this IS the Devil's Island Prison Planet?? Uh Oh! Oh No!!

    orthodoxymoron - Wed, 09/10/2008 - 21:42
    Life is sacred...mortal or immortal. We are so quick and glib to cut our fellow humans lose...and watch them burn in our mind's eye...perhaps even with some satisfaction.

    If we can rationalize the behavior of God in the Old Testament(I don't believe that Jesus/God perpetrated the OT atrocities), then we should be able to rationalize the Crusades, the Inquisition(the Holy Office), as well as the Nazi atrocities. We are so superior and moral(we keep the 10 Commandments)...so why can't we call sin by it's right name wherever it's found? Our moral compass is broken. Perhaps end-time atrocities can be justified as 'helping God' get rid of sin and sinners(those who don't believe and behave as we do...or who refuse to submit to a corrupt New World Order theocracy).

    I have had discussions with Alden Thompson. I have read Alden Thompson's book...and I'm still afraid of the Old Testament God. Call me paranoid...but that doesn't mean he or she is not out to get us. By the way...where is Satan in the Old Testament? He or she may be hiding in the texts. We need to read between the lines.

    orthodoxymoron - Sat, 09/13/2008 - 07:51
    When God kills people...what do we call it? Demonstrating Love? Execution? Murder One? Self Defense? Mercy Killing? Genocide? When God tells people to kill people...what do we call it? Teaching Love? Conspiracy to Commit Murder? When God tells people to take other people's land(and kill all men, women, and children)...what do we call it? Teaching Stealing? Compassion In Action? Invading a Sovereign Nation?

    Why don't we call it SIN?? And I don't believe that Jesus/God is a sinner...so who does that leave? What if we kicked God out of the Garden of Eden(ancient earth) instead of God kicking us out? We seem to have liked the glorified snakes better than God...so maybe we got glorified snakes for our God...the 'god of this world.' Take another look at the temptation of Christ, and all of the implications and ramifications.

    Perhaps Jesus tried to set us free...but we still preferred the glorified snakes(hidden of course). Are they still in charge? Is this why the Teachings of Jesus seem to gain so little traction? What if the Second Coming is really the Third Coming of Christ? 1. Eden(ancient pure earth). 2. 2,000 years ago. 3. At the end of this present age. Perhaps our world needs an exorcism(Harvest-Exorcism Eschatology). Barf bags anyone?

    orthodoxymoron - Thu, 09/25/2008 - 10:57
    Posted by Nic Samojluk 15 September 2008 at 9:58:

    orthodoxymoron, You lost me with your reference to "the third coming of Christ" in your 13 September 2008 at 3:51 posting. Can you elaborate? I have never heard anything like that before! Is this based on one of the Jehovah Witness doctrines perhaps?

    My answer:

    First Coming: Jesus communing with Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden before they chose Satan and kicked Jesus out.

    Second Coming: Jesus living and dying for us 2,000 years ago...trying to free us from Satanic rule.

    Third Coming: Jesus communing with us on the New Earth after we do what Jesus said to do...and kick Satan out.

    This is based on conjecture and human reason. In other words...I made it up!

    I continue to think that Fukushima was deliberately inflicted -- and that it might be the beginning of the end. Is it really too far-fetched to consider the possibility of a Problematic-Divinity (in conflict with itself) In Conflict With a Problematic-Humanity (in conflict with itself)??? I strongly lean toward peaceful resolutions -- but I guess we'll get what we get -- whether we like it or not. Does 'Purification' really have to involve 'Mass-Murder'?

    Here are some additional examples of my past internet adventures. http://spectrummagazine.org/blog/2008/09/10/describing-desmond-fords-faith

    orthodoxymoron - Wed, 09/10/2008 - 12:10
    Des Ford has always been a model of preparation. His public presentations are hard to beat. Another well prepared speaker who I have watched is Robert H. Schuller(senior). The more I reflected on these two men, I recognized some similarities. Both use catch phrases and one liners. Both make their subjects easy for all to understand. Both are mostly positive. Both speak as though they cannot be controverted. Both present flawlessly. And both use contrast effectively to make their points.

    Schuller contrasts pride with shame, or self-exaltation with self-degradation. Ford contrasts simple legalism with complex legalism, or Reformation Theology with Historic Adventism.

    Schuller's theology(which Walter Martin described to me as a corrupt theology) is not biblical, even though there is much to be learned and emulated in his presentations and ministry. Self-exaltation is not the answer to self-degradation. Self centeredness is the problem, and a focus on responsibility rather than self is the answer. Chronic positive thinking is not the answer to chronic negative thinking. Isn't "I am God" the epitome of positive thinking and self-esteem? Realistic thinking and responsibility are the answer.

    In some ways, Ford reminds me of Bishop Fulton Sheen, regarding presentation. Sheen won an Emmy Award for his television program, accepting the acknowledgment by saying, "I feel it is time I pay tribute to my four writers—Matthew, Mark, Luke and John." Ford's theology is biblical in a Pauline-limited sense. Ford equates the substitutionary atonement with the totality of salvation, rather than salvation being multi-faceted. Accepting his teaching in total moves one away from many principles and concepts which receive a unique emphasis and presentation in Adventism. The substitutionary atonement is a Satanic necessity...something not required by God. But to receive the benefits of the substitutionary atonement requires being in harmony with the teachings and character of Christ...rather than being insubordinate to them. To be right with God...we need to be right with God...not simply declared to be right with God...while still at war with God. Simplistic legalism is not the answer to complex legalism. Ford's statement of the problem is articulate and compelling. His solution(Ford's better idea) is a step in the right direction...but it is not the final destination.

    I just finished re-reading 'Facing Life's Record' in 'The Great Controversy' concerning the investigative judgment. I don't see eye to eye with Ellen White on this subject, but I think she is on to something which is genuinely a theological milestone. The sanctuary service, substitutionary atonement, investigative judgment, and possibly the eucharistic liturgy...are Satanic requirements...and are not required by God. God requires that we do justly, love mercy, and walk humbly with our God(Micah 6:Cool.

    Christianity needs to repent, and turn it's eyes upon Jesus and His teachings. The central principle is responsibility. Responsibility to God, self, and others. The religion of Jesus is a religion of responsibility. Salvation, in a comprehensive sense, is character-related. The proof? The teachings of Christ.

    orthodoxymoron - Wed, 09/10/2008 - 09:40
    orthodoxymoron said:
    "I just finished re-reading 'Facing Life's Record' in 'The Great Controversy' concerning the investigative judgment. I don't see eye to eye with Ellen White on this subject, but I think she is on to something which is genuinely a theological milestone. The sanctuary service, substitutionary atonement, investigative judgment, and possibly the eucharistic liturgy...are Satanic requirements...and are not required by God. God requires that we do justly, love mercy, and walk humbly with our God(Micah 6:Cool."

    rc said:
    "I would be interested in knowing what quotes from the chapter give rise to the idea that those things are Satanic requirements."

    orthodoxymoron says:
    Read Leviticus 21 regarding requirements pertaining to the sanctuary service. Is this chapter Christ-like in nature? Sacrifice(including human sacrifice) is found in Pagan religions and rituals. Were these religions inspired by Christ? Do we serve a blood-thirsty God? Does God require death and blood? If not...then who does? The sanctuary service and substitutionary atonement are all about death and blood...as is the eucharistic liturgy...especially if one includes the doctrine of transubstantiation. There is no body of evidence to substantiate transubstantiation. Christ hanging(bleeding and mostly naked) from the walls of churches around the world is sick. Isn't this a bit like placing pictures of the Kennedy assassination in government buildings throughout the US? Did Jesus tell us to build churches, and conduct rituals centered in death and blood? If He didn't...who did?

    The investigative judgment is an extrapolation from the sanctuary service and the substitutionary atonement. It only makes sense if it is a Satanic requirement, rather than a Divine requirement. Desmond Ford is correct in saying that God doesn't need an investigative judgment. God already knows them that are His. It is a courtroom scene with Christ and Satan going head to head in a custody case...with the future of the human race hanging in the balance. Satan is the legalist...not God. I can almost hear Christ exclaming, "They're mine...I bought them with my life, death, and blood! Give them to me, and then go to hell!" To which Satan shrieks, "They're mine as long as they do what I tell them to do! Do they follow your teachings, and do what you told them to do??!! They don't, do they?! And they won't!! They haven't for 2,000 years, have they??!!"

    QED. Case closed.

    orthodoxymoron - Thu, 09/11/2008 - 06:46
    Are Leviticus and Romans equally authoritative for us today? Did Paul follow the Great Commission...or create a New Theology? I would love to know all of the behind the scenes details of how and why the various books of the Bible were written. I perceive that all of the Bible writers were inspired...but that they wrote what was possible and expedient in their particular circumstances. I'm trying to read between the lines...rather than taking the Bible as a set of gold plates inscribed by God...intended for us to take very literally today. This goes for the writings of Ellen White as well.

    The unfortunate part of religious debates is that a lot of people get caught in the crossfire...and lose their faith. One night at PUC, I overheard a female student crying that the Bible was not the word of God. A pastor authoritatively countered that the Bible was the word of God. The student was weeping.

    I have repeatedly noticed a Christophobia among Christians. They prefer Paul. Some Adventists seem to prefer Ellen White over Jesus or Paul. Some prefer Desmond Ford. Is there a Christian Constitution? The U.S. Constitution is simple and concise...yet comprehensive. This is to avoid confusion. Don't we see legion theologies in Christendom? Historically, doctrinal purity has been obtained through dogmatic assertions, persecution, and execution. Wouldn't it be better to do what Jesus told us to do?

    I sometimes wonder if the next few years will be a contest between Jesus/Constitution and Pope/Vatican. Why can't there be an integration, rather than a stand-off? I'm not fatalistic regarding the future of our world. I'm hoping for a happy ending(or beginning). I know I'm a naive dreamer. Go naive dreamers!

    orthodoxymoron - Fri, 09/12/2008 - 01:02
    The Great Commission: "Then Jesus came to them and said, 'All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and TEACHING THEM TO OBEY EVERYTHING I HAVE COMMANDED YOU. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."---Matthew 28:18-20(NIV).

    In which New Testament passages does Paul teach everything which Jesus commanded? In which passages does Paul teach Matthew 25:31-46? The following is an example of teaching based upon the words of Christ:

    ‘”When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another.” Thus Christ on the Mount of Olives pictured to His disciples the scene of the great judgment day. And He represented its decision as turning upon one point. When the nations are gathered before Him, there will be but two classes, and their eternal destiny will be determined by what they have done or have neglected to do for Him in the person of the poor and the suffering. In that day Christ does not present before men the great work He has done for them in giving His life for their redemption. He presents the faithful work they have done for Him. To those whom He sets upon His right hand He will say, “Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.” But those whom Christ commends know not that they have been ministering unto Him. To their perplexed inquiries He answers, “Inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.” Those whom Christ commends in the judgment may have known little of theology, but they have cherished His principles. Through the influence of the divine Spirit they have been a blessing to those about them. Even among the heathen are those who have cherished the spirit of kindness; before the words of life had fallen upon their ears, they have befriended the missionaries, even ministering to them at the peril of their own lives. Among the heathen are those who worship God ignorantly, those to whom the light is never brought by human instrumentality, yet they will not perish. Though ignorant of the written law of God, they have heard His voice speaking to them in nature, and have done the things that the law required. Their works are evidence that the Holy Spirit has touched their hearts, and they are recognized as the children of God. How surprised and gladdened will be the lowly among the nations, and among the heathen, to hear from the lips of the Saviour, “Inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.” How glad will be the heart of Infinite Love as His followers look up with surprise and joy at His words of approval!’—Desire of Ages pgs. 685 & 686 (Home Library Edition)

    How does this square with accepting the finished work of Christ on the cross plus nothing as our basis of salvation?

    orthodoxymoron - Fri, 09/12/2008 - 23:59
    Authoritarianism and Power Worship seem to be major culprits in the Nazi mess. It is very dangerous to unquestioningly submit to the powerful, or to those who promise power. It is probably equally dangerous to unquestioningly submit to rebellious leaders seeking to overthrow the existing 'powers that be'. One seems to play off the other...resulting in conflict escalation...rather than conflict resolution. Some have suggested that Neo-Conservatism is a case-study in authoritarianism and power-worship(including John Dean in 'Conservatives Without Conscience').

    Do many prefer to worship a God of Power and Might...rather than commune with, and cooperate with, a God who became human? Might this preference play into the hands of those who wish to rule the world with a global theocracy? Did this happen in Germany? Could it happen right here in the United States of America? Some, such as Naomi Wolf, have suggested that the U.S. is sliding toward fascism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjALf12PAWc.

    One rather slanted view of the role of religion in Nazi Germany is found in the following video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9zBX4gt0eo. At the time, the participants probably thought they were doing the right thing.

    The rest of the universe must be truly amazed at how badly we get it wrong...century after century.

    orthodoxymoron - Sat, 09/13/2008 - 09:51
    Beth said: And just to stir the pot a little more, didn't Jesus tell his disciples that he was giving them the authority to forgive sins? How in the world does that fit into any atonement metaphor? I don't even have any idea what that means - giving human beings the power to forgive sins.

    I say: We simply need to be good. Not narrowly following a short-list(or a long-list) of rules and rituals...and then becoming spiritually proud, vindictive, and scornful toward those who don't jump through the same hoops that we do. We should try to be better people, and to try to make the world a better place, every day...with progress...not perfection.

    Now to the question of humans forgiving sins: Jesus was clear about final reckonings based upon righteousness involving responsibility toward those around us. Could the disciples forgive a real jerk...and then have this precedent get this jerk, and a whole lot of other jerks, off the hook in the final reckoning? I don't think so.

    There is a bumper-sticker which reads(edited version): 'Jesus Loves You! But Everyone Else Thinks You're a Jerk!'

    So what is Jesus talking about? Perhaps Des Ford's faith offers a clue. He has indicated that SDA's are insecure about their salvation...and that the IJ is responsible for a lot of that. The goal, I think, is to get rid of chronic, debilitating guilt and insecurity...and replace it with a healthy striving for excellence which is not perfectionistic or retentive in nature. Jesus was giving his disciples the tools to help people be better people. But fools can abuse these tools. Sorry. The absolution near the beginning of a traditional liturgy may be an application of this reference. Also, the 'Lord's Prayer' may be helpful: 'Forgive us our sins, as we forgive those who sin against us.' Maybe Jesus was speaking of Micro-Forgiveness as contrasted with Macro-Forgiveness. Inaugurated Forgiveness contrasted with Consumated Forgiveness? If all else fails...use the Apotelesmatic Principle!

    orthodoxymoron - Sun, 09/14/2008 - 11:12
    'In my father's house are many mansions.' Could these mansions have different price-tags? That is, different spiritual and moral levels required for entry? A single, all-inclusive heaven, would be one heck of a place!

    orthodoxymoron - Tue, 09/16/2008 - 09:55
    Do 'works' primarily refer to ritual observances? A form of godliness, but without the character and power of Christ? Does strict Sabbath-keeping and church attendance apply here? Is trying to be good...bad? Do we simply let go...and let God?

    orthodoxymoron - Tue, 09/16/2008 - 14:12
    If I am saved, and I know that I am saved...can I cheat on my wife and on my taxes and still be saved...saved by faith alone in the finished work of the crucified Christ? And saved from whom or what? Saved from the vengeful wrath of God? Saved from the legalistic, perfectionistic Satan? Who or what is going to torture and kill me if I don't believe? Dictators torture and kill people if they don't go along with the program. If you can't convince 'em...kill 'em.

    Parading anything before God is the epitome of stupidity. But didn't Jesus say that unless we were better than corrupt religious leaders...that we would be on the outside, looking in? Isn't a system of rewards and punishments a good thing, and necessary for any successful society? Students receive excellent grades for excellent work. Is this model problematic? Shouldn't we feel good about ourselves when we are, in fact, good?

    orthodoxymoron - Fri, 09/19/2008 - 12:51
    A debate that has raged for centuries is between those who say Jesus was just like us, and those who say He had an advantage over us. Both views state that Jesus perfectly obeyed the law of God from birth to death, and thus secured our salvation, by doing that which we could not do, and that by believing in Christ and His sacrifice, we are accepted by God as though we had not sinned, and saved for all eternity.

    If Jesus was just like us, some believe that the substitutionary atonement is just the beginning, and that we can overcome sin just as Christ overcame sin…and indeed we must do this at the end of time, just before the return of Christ, in order to be saved. That we must stand before God without a mediator. They believe that if Jesus had an advantage over us, that the substitutionary atonement would not be valid. That it would be a hollow victory! They also believe that there is no excuse for sin, and that if there is, then the Devil is right and God is wrong.

    Those who believe that Christ had an advantage over us state that Christ is the second Adam, and that He succeeded where Adam failed, and thus secured our salvation. And that there was no taint of sin whatsoever in Christ, both physically and spiritually. Further, that we, with our fallen sinful natures, can never, ever, live sinless lives until Christ returns and gives us new bodies and minds. That it is only by laying hold of the merits of the crucified Christ that we are accepted by God as though we had never sinned, and saved for all eternity.

    The first option tends to lead toward legalistic perfectionism. The second option tends to lead toward irresponsibility. Decisions, decisions!

    I'm going to go way, way out on a limb, and say that these two views are delusion v delusion. They both turn the old, old story of Jesus and His love into a fairy tale. They imply that God is a legalistic-perfectionistic, blood-thirsty monster who doesn't think we're good enough for Him. They are both sort of logical, when isolated from the realities of every day life, but they are utterly illogical when reality is clearly faced without distortion or rationalization.

    I believe that Jesus was just like us, but that He was very, very spiritually refined and developed, and that He demonstrated to the human race, the true character of God, and what we humans are capable of achieving, and indeed must achieve, to usher in a great awakening…a true renaissance…which will bring peace to the world. By His sacrifice on the cross, Jesus made the bloody Old Testament sacrificial system obsolete, and made a new and living way to be right with God available to all, by following His Teachings and example of loving neighbor as self in a non-legalistic and non-pefectionistic way.

    To be right with God, we need to be right with God. Not just declared right with God. Regarding the substitutionary atonement...this symbolic and representational demonstration did not require perfection. God does not require perfection from us…and God did not require perfection from Jesus. This may be heresy…but at least it makes sense. Nothing changed between God and us. When we see Jesus, we see the Father. Christ-like Divinity is found from Genesis to Revelation. You just have to look a little harder in the Old Testament! Human perceptions of God changed from Old to New Testaments. That's all!

    We must be in harmony with the character of Christ...and we must be decidedly part of the solution. We must not be in rebellion with the character of Christ...and we must not be decidedly part of the problem. We need to be very good, but not perfect! This is an ongoing process of cooperation between humanity and Divinity. We need God…and God needs us!

    This is a hard saying. Who can hear it? But please don't gnash your teeth. Crowns or implants are very expensive! Weeping and wailing is probably ok, I guess. And please...put down those stones!

    By the way...who is Desmond Ford, SJ?

    orthodoxymoron - Wed, 09/24/2008 - 07:01
    Posted by Bob Helm on 23 September 2008: "But scripture pictures God as totally other. He created the universe, and He transcends the universe. He is above and beyond the universe. Furthermore, this view of God is affirmed by the findings of modern science. (Yes, science and scripture are often on the same side!) According to astro-physics, matter-energy and space-time were created in the big bang. They had an absolute beginning. So if God is the Creator, then He created the space-time manifold. Therefore, He must reside outside the space-time manifold. He is the eternal "I AM" Who is beyond space and time as we understand them. And if this is the case, then He can view all of space and all of time in one glance. He really is all-knowing, and He can see everything that will occur in the future. But all this is quite contrary to process theology."

    I write: Do we really have God this figured out? Do we really know that God created the universe rather than God being a product of the universe? If God created the universe...who created God? Did God create exploding stars, uninhabitable planets, and scorpions? If God has absolute fore-knowledge, how can there be freedom? Can we choose to do something different than what God has divinely and absolutely fore-seen? If we can't...are we free? When Jesus cried, "It is finished"... was this a foregone conclusion? If God has seen everything that will ever happen...wouldn't God be really bored? Perhaps this is why God was so cranky in the Old Testament. A sinister view of prophecy is that it is a script to be followed rather than a history of the future. If one believes that prophecy is absolute...wouldn't this lead to a fatalistic acceptance of the evil in the world? What's going to happen is going to happen...so why try to make the world a better place...when we know that it's going to burn...and most of the people are going to burn with it?

    Last night as I lay sleeping, there came a dream so fair. I stood in Salt Lake City (I'm actually not sure about the location -- but I really did dream of this close-encounter!!), beside Obama there. Then my dream was changed -- and I dreamed about flying with Michele and Barack Obama on a cargo plane!! Holy Bullshit!! Ra just drove by in a Taurus!! He flipped me off -- through his sun-roof -- like an erect obelisk!! That does it!! Where did I put my Solar-Ray Gun??!! My Sun-Gun is Missing!! Amnesia sucks!! I think I created something -- but I can't remember what it was!! World Without End. Amen.

    Special Note: Please remember that this thread was intended to make YOU think -- and that some literary devices have been employed which I do not personally feel comfortable with. I don't particularly like this thread or myself -- but I think you should study my tripe on a very deep level -- in an attempt to peacefully extricate all of us from a very serious and deadly situation. Unfortunately, attempting to solve our problems is not fun or easy. Sorry for any emotional and spiritual distress. Really. Many people (and other than people) won't even talk to me. This is sad.
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:09 pm

    Here's some more historical internet fun! http://spectrummagazine.org/review/2008/08/28/review-sake-gospel-des-ford

    orthodoxymoron - Fri, 08/29/2008 - 05:09
    I enjoyed attending Des Ford's Sabbath School class in the Science Complex at PUC. I also enjoyed taking classes from Erwin R. Gane. These two Australians did not see eye to eye on much of anything! I recall Dr. Gane laughing at Geoffery Paxton's 'Shaking of Adventism' reference to his view of justification as being 'Roman Catholic'. I attended the infamous Oct. 27, 1979 Forum lecture in Irwin Hall titled 'Investigative Judgment: Theological Milestone or Historical Necessity?'

    What impressed me about Ford was how much he could remember and how fast he could think and speak. He could make people look and sound like idiots...even when they were right! But then he had a doctorate in rhetoric(in the writings of Paul)! He articulated the problems quite well...but I mostly disagreed with his proposed 'solutions'. I think Ford meant well...but if someone was trying to throw a monkey-wrench into the Adventist machine...I don't think they could have done it any better than Des. And the church did a hatchet-job on Des in a Kangaroo Court. Two wrongs did not make a right...it made a horrible mess.

    Gill is quite a scholar. Has anyone read 'The Soteriological Implications of the Human Nature of Christ'? I wonder how much of Des's thinking can be traced to Gill? Did Des ever publish a book on the Teachings of Jesus? If such a book exists, I would imagine that he would use the grammatical-historical method...and that he would be careful to exegete...rather than just simply homelitically applying passages. Dr. Ford's mentor at the University of Manchester, F.F. Bruce, wrote an interesting book, 'The Hard Sayings of Jesus'.

    In the final analysis, Ford proposed simplistic legalism as the remedy for complex legalism. It's sort of like proposing self-exaltation as the remedy for self-degradation. Neither one works. The 'Desire of Ages' read from cover to cover seems to be a good place to find the solution to the tussle over Eschatology, Christology and Soteriology in the Seventh-day Adventist Church.

    orthodoxymoron - Fri, 08/29/2008 - 07:52
    After Dr. Ford's Investigative Judgment presentation, what if the bretheren had taken him out of the classroom and pulpit, without firing or defrocking him, and given him a two-year project to work with the religion department at PUC, to come up with a book similar to 'Questions On Doctrine' to deal constructively with the difficulties raised in his presentation? Des could have kept his office, salary, and home. I doubt that there would have been a media circus, or that so many people would have been fired or would have left the church. At the end of this two-year period, he could have resumed teaching and preaching...and promoting his new book. But wait...that would have made sense.

    orthodoxymoron - Tue, 09/02/2008 - 07:21
    What bothered me most about the Ford debacle was the reactionary response of the church(both laity and leadership). The church was in trouble long before Ford spoke out. Ford was simply the straw that broke the camel's back. I don't know if there is a good solution to all of this...just look at church history! The above comments have been a good example of how to carry on a rational discussion of troublesome and controversial topics. By the way...at Ford's Forum lecture, Wayne Judd referred to not throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Also Eric Syme(did you ever see how fast he could drive that Triumph of his?!) referred to Bernard Shaw's opinion that Christianity was unethical because of the Atonement, with the innocent taking the place of the guilty.

    I have stated the following elsewhere in this site, but I'm interested in any responses in the current context. I'm very sorry for the length of this post. It seemed to be necessary in order to connect the jots and tittles:

    Did God the Father, Son, or Holy Spirit require the sanctuary service? Or was it Satan who required the sanctuary service? The sanctuary service involved sacrifice(killing) and ultimately human sacrifice. When we hear about heathens sacrificing their children, we cringe in horror(I do). But isn’t traditional Christianity centered in God the Father sacrificing his child? Is there a problem here? Does the sanctuary service involve a sort of appeasement of ‘the gods’?

    It seems to me that Satan had more to do with the sanctuary service than God. Jesus did away with the sanctuary service. It further seems that Satan claimed ownership of the human race, and required worship, and that God had to literally strike a deal with the Devil to liberate us. Jesus waged spiritual warfare with all the forces of hell and won, thus opening the door for our liberation. The death of Christ on the cross was symbolic of a victory which had already occurred. The spike that was driven through Christ’s heel continued through the serpent’s head. Unfortunately the serpent is still writhing and will continue to do so until human beings win a spriritual warfare with the forces of hell in a manner similar to that of Christ. Jesus showed the way, but he has had few true followers for nearly 2,000 years now. Ellen White tried to rally the troops, but few seemed to grasp the full implications of her ministry. So this thing keeps dragging on and on. A concerted spiritual warfare might well culminate in what is refered to as Armageddon. Satan and his cohorts will not give this earth up without a huge fight.

    The substitutionary atonement was not to satisfy a bloodthirsty God…but rather to silence the demons infesting this earth. The crucifixion of Christ was the first payment, and when a critical mass of human beings do what Jesus said to do, the 2nd and final payment will be made. Might this be the final application of the atonement that Adventists catch so much flack over? Does Satan, rather than God, require the so called Investigative Judgment? Isn’t Satan the ultimate legalist?

    I guess I see the Sanctuary Service, the Substitutionary Atonement, and the Investigative Judgment as being required to silence Satan and to kick him(or her) out of our world...permanently(God/Jesus dealing with Satan). But a harmonious relationship with Christ and His Teachings is required to bring about, and participate in, the Kingdom of God...and to obtain the benefits of the Atonement.

    The Lord said to Moses, “Speak to the priests, the sons of Aaron, and say to them: ‘A priest must not make himself ceremonially unclean for any of his people who die, except for a close relative, such as his mother or father, his son or daughter, his brother, or an unmarried sister who is dependent on him since she has no husband–for her he may make himself unclean. He must not make himself unclean for people related to him by marriage, and so defile himself. “‘Priests must not shave their heads or shave off the edges of their beards or cut their bodies. They must be holy to their God and must not profane the name of their God. Because they present the offerings made to the Lord by fire, the food of their God, they are to be holy. “‘They must not marry women defiled by prostitution or divorced from their husbands, because priests are holy to their God. Regard them as holy, because they offer up the food of your God. Consider them holy, because I the Lord am holy–I who make you holy. “‘If a priest’s daughter defiles herself by becoming a prostitute, she disgraces her father; she must be burned in the fire. “‘The high priest, the one among his brothers who has had the anointing oil poured on his head and who has been ordained to wear the priestly garments, must not let his hair become unkempt or tear his clothes. He must not enter a place where there is a dead body. He must not make himself unclean, even for his father or mother, nor leave the sanctuary of his God or desecrate it, because he has been dedicated by the anointing oil of his God. I am the Lord. “‘The woman he marries must be a virgin. He must not marry a widow, a divorced woman, or a woman defiled by prostitution, but only a virgin from his own people, so he will not defile his offspring among his people. I am the Lord, who makes him holy.’” The Lord said to Moses, “Say to Aaron: ‘For the generations to come none of your descendants who has a defect may come near to offer the food of his God. No man who has any defect may come near: no man who is blind or lame, disfigured or deformed; no man with a crippled foot or hand, or who is hunchbacked or dwarfed, or who has any eye defect, or who has festering or running sores or damaged testicles. No descendant of Aaron the priest who has any defect is to come near to present the offerings made to the Lord by fire. He has a defect; he must not come near to offer the food of his God. He may eat the most holy food of his God, as well as the holy food; yet because of his defect, he must not go near the curtain or approach the altar, and so desecrate my sanctuary. I am the Lord, who makes them holy.’” So Moses told this to Aaron and his sons and to all the Israelites.—Leviticus 21:1-24 (New International Version)

    “When the loud cry, ‘It is finished!’ came from the lips of Christ, the priests were officiating in the temple. It was the hour of the evening sacrifice. The lamb representing Christ had been brought to be slain. Clothed in his significant and beautiful dress, the priest stood with lifted knife, as did Abraham when he was about to slay his son. With intense intrest the people were looking on. But the earth trembles and quakes; for the Lord Himself draws near. With a rending noise the inner veil of the temple is torn from top to bottom by an unseen hand, throwing open to the gaze of the multitude a place once filled with the presence of God. In this place the Shekinah had dwelt. Here God had manifested His glory above the mercy seat. No one but the hight priest ever lifted the veil separating this apartment from the rest of the temple. He entered in once a year to make an atonement for the sins of the people. But lo, this veil is rent in twain. The most holy place of the earthly sanctuary is no longer sacred. All is terror and confusion. The priest is about to slay the victim; but the knife drops from his nerveless hand, and the lamb escapes. Type has met antitype inthe death of God’s Son. The great sacrifice has been made. The way into the holiest is laid open. A new and living way is prepared for all. No longer need sinful, sorrowing humanity await the coming of the high priest. Henceforth the Saviour was to officiate a priest and advocate in the heaven of heavens. It was as if a living voice had spoken to the worshipers: There is now an end to all sacrifices and offerings for sin. The Son of God is come according to His word, ‘Behold, I have come-in the volume of the Book it is written of Me,-to do Your will, O God.’ ‘With His own blood’ He entered in ‘the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.’ Heb. 10:7; 9:12.”—Desire of Ages p. 807-808(Home Library Edition)

    ‘”When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another.” Thus Christ on the Mount of Olives pictured to His disciples the scene of the great judgment day. And He represented its decision as turning upon one point. When the nations are gathered before Him, there will be but two classes, and their eternal destiny will be determined by what they have done or have neglected to do for Him in the person of the poor and the suffering. In that day Christ does not present before men the great work He has done for them in giving His life for their redemption. He presents the faithful work they have done for Him. To those whom He sets upon His right hand He will say, “Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.” But those whom Christ commends know not that they have been ministering unto Him. To their perplexed inquiries He answers, “Inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.” Those whom Christ commends in the judgment may have known little of theology, but they have cherished His principles. Through the influence of the divine Spirit they have been a blessing to those about them. Even among the heathen are those who have cherished the spirit of kindness; before the words of life had fallen upon their ears, they have befriended the missionaries, even ministering to them at the peril of their own lives. Among the heathen are those who worship God ignorantly, those to whom the light is never brought by human instrumentality, yet they will not perish. Though ignorant of the written law of God, they have heard His voice speaking to them in nature, and have done the things that the law required. Their works are evidence that the Holy Spirit has touched their hearts, and they are recognized as the children of God. How surprised and gladdened will be the lowly among the nations, and among the heathen, to hear from the lips of the Saviour, “Inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.” How glad will be the heart of Infinite Love as His followers look up with surprise and joy at His words of approval!’—Desire of Ages pgs. 685 & 686 (Home Library Edition)

    Forensic-only justification is legalistic. It is simplistic legalism(Ford's better idea) offered as the solution to complex legalism(historic Adventism). Responsibility is the real solution....being responsible caretakers of our world, ourselves, and each other...by exercising personal responsibility. Being right with God and others...by being right with God and others...not simply being declared to be right. But perfection is not required...because God is not a legalist. We can always do better...but we should not have a nervous breakdown trying to be 'perfect'. There should be Kaizen(continual improvement)...without ever 'arriving'. We don't have to be 'perfect' to be 'good enough' for God. An Adventist school I attended had the motto 'where only the best is good enough'.

    Furthermore, does Revelation teach a 'Final Solution' which involves killing all 'undesirables'? In other words, human beings being killed by a God of Love for rejecting a God of Love. I have stated this very bluntly...but is this a misrepresentation?

    For those who choose to follow Satan...would it be ethical and appropriate to allow them to follow and worship their leader on a distant 'Devil's Island' planet for all eternity...rather than being tortured or killed by God?

    The Great Commission: "Then Jesus came to them and said, 'All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."---Matthew 28:18-20(NIV).

    Have Christians been busy doing this for 2,000 years...or doing everything but this? Is this the Great Omission? I'm guilty too. I'm no poster child. By the way, why does Jesus say 'all authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me?' Given to him by whom, and when? Did he win this authority away from Satan during his earthly ministry? Is this the first part of the deal with the Devil(Holy Place phase)? Is doing what Jesus told us to do the second and final part of this deal(Most Holy Place phase)? Is this where the Investigative Judgment comes in?

    I have problems with the scriptural(Dan. 8:14, Heb. 9;12) and numerical aspects(2300 days/years, 1844) of the Investigative Judgment...as well as that it is something which God needs or requires(the Lord knows them that are his). But if it is something which Satan requires as a part of a legalistic, lawyer-like, celestial courtroom, universal power struggle, legal wrangling regarding the souls of men and the fate of the human race at the end of this present darkness...then I am all ears. It can help to explain why 2,000 years after Jesus paid it all, and saved the human race...things are worse than ever. Does anyone know how many people have been tortured, injured, or killed in wars since Ellen White died in 1915? So what went wrong? We can't say everything is fine when it obviously is not. I don't think Ellen White was kidding when she wrote, 'Christ is waiting with longing desire for the manifestation of Himself in His church. When the character of Christ shall be perfectly reproduced in His people, then shall the Lord come to claim them as His own.'--Christ's Object Lessons, pg 69. Try taking the teachings of Jesus seriously, and start talking about them and implementing them at the local church or conference level...and see how much trouble you get into(more trouble than Des?). How about the 28 Fundamental Teachings of Jesus Christ? How about Teachings of Jesus Seminars? This applies to all Christian churches. Christianity is a religion about Jesus...not the religion of the teachings of Jesus. Who needs the Anti-Christ? To answer Des Ford's question, 'Investigative Judgment: Theological Milestone or Historical Necessity?' The answer is both. The early Adventist/Millerite mistakes should be freely admitted...but the Investigative Judgment should be promoted and defended on a conceptual level...extrapolating from the issues involved in the Great Controversy between Christ and Satan in the Conflict of the Ages. This isn't a fairy-tale.

    I have a hunch that Herb Douglas(or Des Ford!) would not agree with me. I think I believe in a sort of ‘harvest eschatology’…but certainly with a very different flavor than that which is found in ‘Why Jesus Waits’ or in ‘Jesus: Benchmark of Humanity’. To me, the U.S. Constitution and the Red Letter Teachings of Jesus are much more important than the 28 Fundamentals. I’m probably more on the wavelength of the following:

    “Not many people of moderate persuasion have much sway in the church any more. I was reminded why recently when the Episcopal Church did two important things: It elected a woman bishop to head the denomination, and it backtracked on appointing gay bishops. The first move seems Christian. Women deserve to hold church office as much as political office (one diocese, however, was so incensed that it voted to leave the church, and worldwide there are still Anglican movements that do not permit women to be bishops or ordained priests). The second move was an act of cowardice because it did not reflect the ideals of love in Christianity and was motivated by reactionaries in the Episcopal denomination. Countering a long tradition of laissez-faire tolerance, the reactionaries have gotten tough and threatened to form their own church if gays are promoted in the priesthood. The worldwide Anglicans are more intolerant, upholding that homosexuality is forbidden, unnatural, wrong or an outright sin, depending on who is doing the disapproving. You'd think that someone would stand up and ask a simple question: Who are we to condemn gays if Christ didn't? In fact, who are we to condemn any sinner, since Christ didn't? Christianity is about forgiveness, and for the past two decades, as fundamentalism swept through every Protestant denomination, moderates and liberals have been driven out, and were roundly condemned as they left. Along with them went tolerance and forgiveness, not to mention love. Did Christ teach love or is that just a liberal bias? In the current climate, it's hard to remember, but one thing is certain: Once a tight cabal of fundamentalists takes over any denomination, Christ's teachings go out the window. The reversal of Christianity from a religion of love to a religion of hate is the greatest religious tragedy of our time. Those of us who haven't been swept up in worldwide fundamentalism, which has corrupted Islam, Hinduism and Judaism as well, have been caught in a double bind. We can't join any sect that preaches intolerance, yet we can't fight it, either, because by definition fighting is a form of intolerance. To escape this double bind, moderates have stayed silent and stayed home. But that tactic failed. As healthy as it is to nourish your own devotion and faith, it's disastrous to allow extremists to take over the church, because the statehouse, the board of education, the Congress, and eventually the presidency are next. Perhaps civil society will solve the problem of religious extremism. So far it hasn't. America finds itself in the sad plight of being the world's most prominent secular society hijacked by sectarians. One can only hope that the church comes to its senses and regains its moral center. If that doesn't occur, the core teachings of Christ will be lost, for all intents and purposes, to this generation.” --- Deepak Chopra

    Again...sorry for the length of this post. I promise(sort of)...I won't do it again. I have decided to follow Jesus. Though none go with me...still I will follow. No turning back.

    orthodoxymoron - Wed, 09/03/2008 - 02:18
    Aubyn: I hope you don't mind me saying this...but I remember you proclaiming that it was a 'dark day' when Ronald Reagan was elected President! Was that mixing Adventist eschatology with politics? And wasn't it 'fun' to listen to Kevin Paulson debate the 'New Theology'? I had many conversations with Mark Martin, who agreed completely with Dr. Ford, and who now pastors a huge Calvary Chapel megachurch in Phoenix, Arizona. Just before the Forum lecture, he told me that it was going to be as big as Jones and Waggoner in 1888. It seems that he was right.

    To all: Where are the teachings of Jesus in all of this madness? This question applies to both the liberal and conservative sides of this explosive issue. Do the teachings of Jesus support either side? When I meet Jesus face to face, I doubt that He will discuss 1844. I have a feeling that He will discuss whether or not I did what He told me to do in His teachings. Time will tell...

    orthodoxymoron - Fri, 09/05/2008 - 12:26
    I hope everyone has a blessed time with Dr. Ford. I enjoyed watching and listening to Des Ford every Sabbath at PUC. I also enjoyed taking classes from Erwin Gane, who was very opposed to Ford's views. The debates in the dorms were something to behold! Isn't this what academia should be like? I didn't want either one of them to be thrown out. I also enjoyed singing at the Yountville Veterans Home each week with Roy Gane. And I know the administrators wanted us to think...alike! During his lecture, Ford said that if you treat people like children...they are going to act like children. The church members sure acted like children when confronted with something they had never thought of before.

    Those songs were irreverent, but I actually sang some of them...and occasionally, I still sing some of them. It's all because of Eric and Wayne! The one I liked best was 'Dare to be a Daniel! Dare to stand alone! Dare to think of something new! Dare to make it known!' Then there was 'Rust and Obey...for there's no other way...to avoid unemployment...but to rust and obey.' Or 'the church's one foundation...the Ellen White Estate.' Sorry. People are so reactionary...especially when they KNOW that they are right, and have EVERYTHING figured out...and are spiritually proud and triumphalistic! But to treat everything as though it were all a big joke is equally destructive. There was a lot of both at PUC. Like a pastor friend of mine said at the time, '$7,000 a year is a lot of money to pay for cynicism.' Perhaps there should be classes in how to always have a constructive attitude, and how to deal with controversial/upsetting people and ideas without going nuts. I hope no one goes nuts this weekend...

    orthodoxymoron - Fri, 09/05/2008 - 03:03
    The following is a response(the final phase?) I received from another continent regarding a focus on the red-letter teachings of Jesus:

    "Thank-you for your observations. You could have added that in the creeds of the Church, starting with the Apostle’s Creed, the only mention of the historical Jesus is that he died. Zero reference to anything he taught. We need the teaching of the man and not all this rubbish taught about the man. Your suggestion is so simple, so powerful. Do it!"

    I just might.

    orthodoxymoron - Sat, 09/06/2008 - 09:31
    Once upon a time, I regularly attended Walter Martin's Sunday-School class in Costa Mesa, California. In private conversation, he asked me if I thought he had been too hard on William Johnson on the John Ankerberg Show?! I politely answered, 'no'. He said that he thought the church leaders were defending 1844/IJ because they were afraid of losing the 'whole thing'. He didn't have a problem with SDA's attending church on Saturday(he thought any day would be fine), but his problem was that SDA's had made such a big deal about it.

    Mike: I love Reiger pipe-organs, and I am a tracker-backer. Especially when they are located high in the rear balcony of an acoustically live and reverberant church.

    In this prophetic discussion...what about Richard Rice and 'The Openness of God'? When we speak of prophecy, are we implying absolute fore-knowledge? If so...doesn't freedom go out the window? Why do we have to play numbers games?

    orthodoxymoron - Sat, 09/06/2008 - 13:19
    Mike: I found a picture of the organ(it's beautiful and well located), and the following description: The Organ in the western choir gallery, completed in 1961. It is a tracker instrument of three manuals and four divisions. The console is positioned between the Positif mounted over the gallery rail (lower manual), and the Grand Orgue (Great division, second manual) and Choeur (Choir division, third manual) which stand against the west wall. The Pedale division flanks the gallery on each side. A foot-activated bellows permits playing during power outages. The panels which enclose the Positif and the Grande Orgue divisions are painted by Jasmin Joseph. The floral design of the Pedale division was painted by Adam Leontus, completed in 1963.

    Acoustics are much more important than the organ. PUC Reiger + Grace Cathedral = Paradise! I love the Casavant at LLU and the Reiger at PUC...but the architechture and acoustics are mediocre, at best. Someday...

    I am really torn between the desire to see the teachings of Jesus, with no churches(the teachings infused into all of society, but not formalized into the confines of buildings, and ruled with ecclesiastical authority)...and my love of cathedral pipe-organs and choirs, with pomp and circumstace. Read Great Controversy pg. 566(Liberty of Conscience Threatened). Can 'big-church' exist without corruption, abuse, and atrocity?

    I sometimes wonder if making music is more productive than fighting about theology?! No matter how hard we try...we never seem to really get it right, or are able to agree on much of anything for any length of time.

    orthodoxymoron - Tue, 09/09/2008 - 05:55
    Nic: The papal apology was a step in the right direction. Abortion in SDA hospitals is a step in the wrong direction. But take a long, hard look at the Vatican/Nazi connection. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KD_lBstvptE&feature=related. Even if current leaders try to do the right thing...there are hundreds and thousands of years of momentum in doing the wrong thing to overcome. I don't envy them.

    Mike: Here is the link to Holy Trinity Cathedral in Port-au-Prince: http://members.aol.com/projbin/plermurl.htm Sorry to hear about the Cavaille-Coll. I hope they can restore it. My favorite church/organ is the Cavaille-Coll at Saint Sulpice in Paris, France. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKImiR7a4zw and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHFkKtw8yMg&feature=related. Albert Schweitzer took lessons from Charles Marie Widor on this fine instrument. This is also where Silas broke up the floor in the Da Vinci Code. If you ever go to Saint Sulpice...watch out for Silas! They faked his death in the movie!

    But nature is better than any church/organ in the world...and it's absolutely free! Salvation may be free...but the church costs us an arm and a leg...and maybe even our souls! Jesus didn't ask for money or tell us to build churches, did he? He told us to pray privately and to give to the poor. Was Jesus telling us not to go to church? Maybe someday people will use churches as sacred concert halls, rather than as a required part of being a Christian in good and regular standing. I don't know. I'm conflicted.

    orthodoxymoron - Sat, 09/27/2008 - 11:58
    Spectrum people are probably 'Progressive Adventists'. Several years ago at the Greenlake Church, in Seattle, there was a Forum meeting titled, 'Progressive Adventism: Oxymoron or Wave of the Future?' So which is it...or is it both? Des Ford, in his PUC Forum talk said that 'unless some new thing arises within Adventism...we'll be a forgotten sect by the turn of the century, or not long after.' I'm on the fringe or fence on just about everything. Did you know that fence-riders form splinter groups? And I talk to myself. I tell myself what I want to hear. I call it positive self-talk. It's easier that way.

    Just because the church keeps going, doesn't mean that it's right. If that's the test, then we should all join the Roman Catholic church. That's the biggest 'we never change' church in the history of the world. There is, however, something to be said for continuity, and not constructing a new foundation every few years. Too bad that the teachings of Jesus weren't made the foundation of Churchianity(I mean Christianity). But Jesus threatened State Churchianity...which may be the major reason they murdered Him. Then, State Churchianity kept right on rolling. Jesus was just a bump in the road, as far as they were concerned.

    Don't knock the ageing fringe. Haven't you heard of 'Righteousness by Senility'?

    Here's more! http://spectrummagazine.org/blog/2008/10/02/watch-and-comment-vp-debate-live

    orthodoxymoron - Thu, 10/02/2008 - 14:06
    Could a US President issue an executive order suspending the US Constitution, and replacing it with a UN Constitution, on an indefinite basis, due to an international state of emergency?

    More! http://spectrummagazine.org/blog/2008/09/18/anglican-apology-darwin-example-adventists

    orthodoxymoron - Fri, 09/19/2008 - 22:47
    Life, the Universe, and Everything: A Ten Part Play

    1. Evolution of Life, the Universe, and Everything(Including God).
    2. Genetic Engineering by God aka Creation.
    3. Divine/Human Cooperation.
    4. Temptation by Reptillian(Satan tempting Eve).
    5. Humanity Kicking Divinity Out of the Garden of Eden(Ancient Earth).
    6. Genetic Engineering by Satan(Resulting in Rattlesnakes and Scorpions, Etc).
    7. Secret Reptillian(Satanic) Domination of Humanity.
    8. Battle to rid the Earth of Reptillian(Satanic) Domination(Battle of Armageddon).
    9. Humanity/Divinity Finally Kicking the Snakes Out(Go Straight to Hell).
    10.Divine/Human Cooperation in the New Earth.

    Fiction or Non-Fiction?

    orthodoxymoron - Fri, 09/19/2008 - 23:50
    Regarding science and religion, YouTube contains a zoo of theories and conspiracies related to what is really going on in the universe. The following two-part video is perhaps an extreme example of what I am referring to(viewer discretion strongly advised, as it contains upsetting material): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJfc63rCnWE. I am not promoting or endorsing this video, but it makes me wonder what we may have to encounter, in an eschatalogical sense, as knowledge increases, and men(and women) run to and fro? It's getting crazy out there folks. Ellen White had something to say about Orion, didn't she? I suspect that Ellen White knew a lot more than she placed in print. She worked in the prison of her circumstances. The Vatican has recently made some interesting public statements regarding the universe and it's inhabitants. It may be later than we think...

    orthodoxymoron - Sat, 09/20/2008 - 09:34
    I think there is a version of the Investigative Judgment, Final Generation, Character Related Eschatology, Harvest Principle, etc. which actually makes sense and works, and indeed, is absolutely necessary for this mess we are in to get cleaned up. Some of our moderate theologians should work overtime on these subjects. The old treatments don't work IMO, but I think Satan is terrified by these issues. When we finally get it right, it may well be GAME OVER.

    orthodoxymoron - Sun, 09/21/2008 - 00:40
    The Investigative Judgment may be a cosmic custody case where the fitness of the kids are in question...not the fitness of the parents. The fitness of the parents was clearly determined thousands...if not millions of years ago. The jury is still out on the fitness of the kids. Harmonizing with the character and teachings of Christ is the goal...not achieving retentive legalistic exclusivistic-triumphalistic perfectionism, which is more in harmony with the character of Satan than the character of Christ. The IJ may be more about the salvation of the human race than it is about individual salvation. There is no such thing as absolute perfection. One can always do better. I would say that this applies to God as well. Imagine that...God is probably not perfect...and doesn't expect us to be either. Jesus mediates between us and Satan...not between us and God. If not for the mediation of Christ...we would undoubtedly be torn to shreds by the demonic forces which surround us.

    orthodoxymoron - Sun, 09/21/2008 - 00:33
    I once witnessed a sermon in a mega-church, delivered by the son of the founder. It was mediocre, at best. When it was finished, the person sitting next to me whispered that he had never heard so many profound ideas delivered so stupidly. I didn't comment.

    I sometimes wonder if the Adventist version of Christianity, as intended by Ellen White, is so profound that most of us don't really get it, including me. And that the most sensational and unique aspects get over-emphasized and presented in non-profound, and even stupid ways. I suspect that this produces neurotics, pious zombies, nervous break-downs, and maybe even some suicides.

    I don't have too much of a problem with Ellen White...but I have a huge problem with what has been done with her writings. I guess this is why I have narrowed my Ellen White collection to Desire of Ages and Great Controversy. I read these devotionally, and then think and do what makes sense to me...even if it is opposite what Ellen White wrote or what the church teaches. I strive to be enlightened...but not enslaved.

    orthodoxymoron - Mon, 09/22/2008 - 06:02
    Confession time. I have a problem with atheistic evolution and with fundamentalist creation. I think that the truth of our origins is an all of the above and more proposition. I don't think we really know! We think we do, but I think it is a grand mystery. Is that a cop-out? Probably. But the complexity and myriad possibilities should make all of us very, very humble. Including those with Doctor of Divinity or Doctor of Philosophy degrees.

    The fossil record seems to indicate very long periods of evolution. The complexity and specialization of the human body is beyond comprehension, and seems to indicate creation or intelligent design. Consider the human head thou skeptic!

    Charles Darwin, of all people, was also conflicted. “I am conscious that I am in an utterly hopeless muddle,” Darwin confessed. “I cannot think that the world, as we see it, is the result of chance; and yet I cannot look at each separate thing as the result of design.” See www.darwinproject.ac.uk/darwinletters/calendar/entry-2998.html

    There are two Genesis accounts of creation…and there is a Babylonian Genesis also. Are these stories simplified versions of a much more complex process? I think this is part of the answer. Is the rest of the story something which is hidden from our view for a reason? Perhaps. Maybe the whole truth is something we are not prepared to handle, even now.

    orthodoxymoron - Wed, 09/24/2008 - 07:34
    The copy I have is actually titled, 'Babylonian Genesis'. I don't consider Genesis to be a scientific text...but rather an ancient history book which seems to be written in code, or in a manner which tells one part of the story...but not the rest of the story.

    orthodoxymoron - Wed, 09/24/2008 - 11:39
    The 'fall' was Satan's takeover of our world. Satan is still in charge...which is why every day and in every way...we are not getting better and better...despite what Emile Coue told us. Jesus tried to set us free...but few have listened or obeyed for 2,000 years now. Advantage Satan.

    orthodoxymoron - Sat, 09/27/2008 - 11:44
    Tom,

    Totally unrelated to this thread...you have some wonderful candid stories. Have you written them down, and published them in a book? If not...you should. Include all of them...even(and especially) the ones which are revealing(both positive and negative).

    By the way, I mostly agree with what you have recently said regarding science.

    orthodoxymoron - Mon, 09/29/2008 - 07:36
    Go Theistic Evolution! Evolution and Intelligent Design...not one or the other. I can't imagine God watching billions of years of evolution without doing some genetic engineering. Is it possible for a God to evolve who would be capable of creating life on earth as we know it? If life, the universe, and everything could evolve...why not consider the possibility of the evolution of a Creator/God? I know that unseen intelligent beings exist...from personal experience...not faith. What is the hypothetical mechanism of spiritual evolution? And what is the pathway from OOZE to OOH LA LA!? Where is the Road to Utopia? Did we miss a turn? As for the accidental-eye...I can't see it. The answer to Harold Coffin's question, 'Creation: Accident or Design?' is Both. Of course, if God designed evolution...then God created an accident. In other words, in the beginning God said, 'Did I make a mistake?' Or...in the beginning God said, 'You'll get a bang out of this!' --- Simplicio.

    orthodoxymoron - Mon, 09/29/2008 - 08:03
    It's about time to hear directly from God: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap46wThyBnA.

    orthodoxymoron - Thu, 10/02/2008 - 05:48
    Bob wrote:

    Dear orthodoxymoron: Are you aware that the concept of an evolving Creator/God continues to be proclaimed with gusto by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the Mormons)? If such theology tickles your fancy, this Utah-based organization is waiting to welcome you with open arms. And should you also wish to keep the seventh day Sabbath, there is a small Mormon offshoot group (the Strangites), with headquarters in Wisconsin, that keeps Saturday as the Sabbath.
    But as for me, I prefer the theology Malachi to that of Joseph Smith. Malachi told us plainly that God doesn't change. (See Malachi 3:6.)

    I write:

    I am aware...and thanks but no thanks. 'No Man Knows My History' by Fawn Brodie cured me of any propensity toward Mormonism. Holy Joe, Gold Plates, and Special Underwear do not tickle my fancy. Although...polygamy in the Playboy Mansion would be a tempting proposition that would tickle my fancy. Forensic-only salvation is looking better all the time. No...I just got the victory. Jesus clearly taught against polygamy in Luke 16:13 when He said, "No servant can serve two masters." Mitt Romney was quoted as saying, "Where I come from...we believe that marriage is between a man and a woman...and a woman...and a woman...and a woman." 'Strangites' seems to be an appropriate name.

    If God did not evolve...where did God come from? Was God created? Perhaps God created God. A changeless God sounds like a boring God. God seems to have changed between Malachi and Matthew...unless we are dealing with two different Gods.

    Can you point me toward a church which teaches the Teachings of Jesus? That would tickle my fancy. Is there a church which would welcome Jesus and His Teachings with open arms?

    orthodoxymoron - Fri, 10/03/2008 - 04:10
    What did Jesus say about the Virgin Birth? What did Jesus say about the Biblical Canon? What if the Teachings of Jesus were written down before Jesus began His public ministry? What if they were preserved by the Essenes? What if they were harder to redact because of this? What if a theological bias surrounded the composition of the black letters in the Gospels and the rest of the New Testament which was very different from the red-letter words of Christ? Why have the Dead Sea Scrolls been so reluctantly and slowly released? What materials might possibly still be unavailale to the public? Has anyone studied the work of John Strugnell? He worked for years on the Dead Sea Scrolls and became very critical and shrill. What materials might be hidden from view in the Vatican?

    I believe demons exist...and probably control our world. I've had a couple of experiences which involved something unseen, yet intelligent and able to exert physical force. I suspect that this was demonic in nature. I suspect that 95% of all supernatural occurances and experiences are demonic in nature. I further suspect that this will be the case until the human race decides to follow Jesus instead of Satan. This is probably why Ellen White was so pointed about avoiding Spiritualism. Be careful who you pray to.

    More! http://spectrummagazine.org/article/column/2008/07/03/are-%E2%80%9Csabbathers%E2%80%9D-jews-or-christians

    orthodoxymoron - Tue, 07/08/2008 - 06:05
    The biggest tragedy in 2,000 years of Christianity...is the rejection or ignoring of the red-letter teachings of Jesus Christ. The second biggest tragedy in Christian history...is that Martin Luther did not base the Reformation on the red-letter teachings of Jesus Christ. The third biggest tragedy in Christian history...is that in 2008, Christianity is not solidly based upon the red-letter teachings of Jesus Christ. With 2,000 years of Churchianity...who needs the Anti-Christ? Churchianity is hopelessly laced with astrology, paganism, and sun-worship. Indeed, the god of 2,000 years of Churchianity has often resembled Satan more than Jesus. Has Churchianity been suckered into a subtle, but deadly, Satan-worship? I don't sound bitter...do I?

    orthodoxymoron - Tue, 07/08/2008 - 14:05
    I got so worked up that I didn't finish my previous rant! I've taken my medicine, and things are better now.

    Many years ago, I spoke with Dr. Walter Martin about SDA's and the Saturday Sabbath. He didn't have a problem with Adventists going to church on Saturday. His problem was that 'they made such a big deal about the Sabbath.' He asked me if I thought that he had been too hard on William Johnson, on the John Ankerberg Show?! I timidly and politely told him, 'no.' I didn't have the courage to tell him that he came on stronger than a junkyard dog!

    Jesus went to church on Saturday. But He went to church on a lot of other days too. Sabbath observance was not one of Christ's teachings. The Sabbath is more Jewish than Christian. The best in Old Testament morality was repeated and promoted by Jesus. The Old Testament rituals and observances were not repeated and promoted by Jesus.

    Adventist have been correct in denouncing Sun-day sacredness. But I fear that we have been wrong in promoting Saturday Sabbath sacredness, especially in an exclusive manner. As stated in another post, the Mark of the Beast may be rejecting the U.S. Constitution, and accepting a dictatorial 'New World Order' theocracy, which requires Sun-day observance and destroys religious freedom. Saturday Sabbath observance may be a protest against this corrupt system. Persecution may result. So, we may be both right and wrong about the Sabbath. I just pray that we can admit it if we are wrong.

    orthodoxymoron - Thu, 07/10/2008 - 00:58
    What would Luke Ford say? I'm quite ignorant regarding the Jewish people, both historically and presently. I know that there are a lot of secular Jews, who associate with other Jewish people, and go through the motions of the Jewish religion, yet are agnostic, at best.

    Especially in light of the Holocaust and centuries of persecution...what do Jewish people, in general, think about the Old Testament atrocities? I can understand respecting and protecting one's roots, yet honesty regarding unethical aspects of history is important, so as to avoid future inequites and atrocities.

    Accepting the spirit and principles of Christ seems to determine destiny, more than a formal acceptance of the Christian religion, which often does not reflect the character and teachings of Christ. I have a hunch that Jewish people reject Christianity and Christians more than they reject Christ. Is the post-John 21 New Testament and subsequent Constantinian Churchianity the real stumbling-block for the Jews?

    orthodoxymoron - Thu, 07/10/2008 - 01:12
    Afterthought: Is there a common thread through the ancient Summarian, Babylonian, Egyptian, Astrological, Sun-worshipping, Pagan, and Jewish religions...and the Roman Catholic manifestation of Christianity. Was Jesus just a bump in the road? Is this getting close to the heart of the 'Great Controversy'?

    orthodoxymoron - Thu, 07/10/2008 - 03:30
    Frank,

    Call me a moron...I do misunderstand many, if not most, things. But in this case I misstated rather than misunderstood. I intended 'post John 21' to mean Acts-Revelation.

    My comment: 'Accepting the spirit and principles of Christ seems to determine destiny, more than a formal acceptance of the Christian religion, which often does not reflect the character and teachings of Christ. I have a hunch that Jewish people reject Christianity and Christians more than they reject Christ. Is the post-John 21 New Testament and subsequent Constantinian Churchianity the real stumbling-block for the Jews?'

    Your comment: 'To tie everything in the NT outside the gospels to Constintinian Churchianity, as you put it, just seems to discount the organic interplay of the NT as a whole.'

    Follow up comment: My question was, and is, 'do Jewish people reject the teachings of Jesus...or the professed followers of Jesus...the majority of whom, historically and presently have been members of the Roman Catholic Church...or Constantinian Churchianity,' as I put it?

    orthodoxymoron - Thu, 07/10/2008 - 15:10
    David: Your comment: 'A third example is that this past 4th of July, which was Sabbath Eve, some thought that for them it was OK to go see the fireworks display. Others thought this was not an appropriate thing to do on Sabbath (me).'

    My comment: Shouldn't Sabbath be a combination of rest/remembrance/recreation/celebration? I think watching July 4 fireworks would be a fine Sabbath activity. But come to think of it...I recently wandered through 'Sin City' aka Las Vegas late on a Friday night(confronting the evil in the world)...and ended up listening to a classic rock group(Phoenix) at New York New York! I'm sure the recording angels highlighted that one! Ah! Confession is good for the soul!

    Pat: Your question: "...oxymoron"---you state,ask or suggest, "My question was, and is, 'do Jewish people reject the teachings of Jesus...or the professed followers of Jesus." On what basis can you show that they accept Him as Messiah...period. Was Christ Christian enough to show a good example? I have met a lot of Christians I don't like but that doesn't keep me or excuse me from the reading of the Bible to see who Jesus is.

    My response: I don't have a copy of a press release stating that Jews worldwide now accept Jesus as the Messiah. However, the Ebionites are an interesting Jewish group who think highly of Yeshua(I think I got that right), or Jesus. Actually, I'm not sure that I can show that Christians fully accept and follow the teachings of Jesus. Have Christians rejected Jesus as the Messiah too?

    orthodoxymoron - Fri, 07/11/2008 - 01:36
    I agree with Elaine. Communion(I prefer the term communion rather than worship) options should probably be available 7 days/week. There are many Roman Catholics who literally go to church every day of the week. There are masses every day(often morning and evening). I have musically participated in many masses(Infiltrator!-Adventist Jesuit!-Cursed Judas!). I once heard a priest repeatedly equate Saturday with Sabbath during a homily. I didn't notice any shuffling or raised eyebrows by the parishioners.

    To me, there is no problem in faithfully observing the seventh-day Sabbath. Keep the churches open. To me, there is a problem in making it a royal pain...or insisting that God requires Sabbath observance(salvation related or otherwise). I prefer the concept of making every day a Sabbath day. There should be proper, ethical behavior every day. There should be sufficient devotional and rest time every day.

    I didn't mean to come on so strong with my hell-fire comment(or did I?). And regarding Hitler...he had 'helpers' who may have been more wicked than he. To pin WW2 and the Holocaust on Adolph is simplistic and too easy. There is a lot more to this story...some of it occult and religious.

    orthodoxymoron - Wed, 07/16/2008 - 11:16
    One last point from me: In the Book of Common Prayer there is a catechism. It applies the Ten Commandments to Christians as follows(notice especially re: the 4th. that it does not name a specific day): Q. What is our duty to God? A. Our duty is to believe and trust in God; I. To love and obey God and to bring others to know him; II. To put nothing in the place of God; III. To show God respect in thought, word, and deed; IV. And to set aside regular times for worship, prayer, and the study of God's ways. Q. What is our duty to our neighbors? A. Our duty to our neighbors is to love them as ourselves, and to do to other people as we wish them to do to us; V. To love, honor, and help our parents and family; to honor those in authority, and to meet their just demands; VI. To show respect for the life God has given us; to work and pray for peace; to bear no malice, prejudice, or hatred in our hearts; and to be kind to all the creatures of God; VII. To use all our bodily desires as God intended; VIII. To be honest and fair in our dealings; to seek justice, freedom, and the necessities of life for all people; and to use our talents and possessions as ones who must answer for them to God; IX. To speak the truth, and not to mislead others by our silence; X. To resist temptations to envy, greed, and jealousy; to rejoice in other people's gifts and graces; and to do our duty for the love of God, who has called us into fellowship with him. Q. What is the purpose of the Ten Commandments? A. The Ten Commandments were given to define our relationship with God and our neighbors. Q. Since we do not fully obey them, are they useful at all? A. Since we do not fully obey them, we see more clearly our sin and our need for redemption.

    More! http://spectrummagazine.org/article/column/2008/10/06/survivalist-eschatology

    orthodoxymoron - Mon, 10/06/2008 - 13:34
    Perhaps international bankers are more of a threat than the dreaded papacy. Perhaps Satan tells the international bankers what to do...and they tell Popes and Presidents what to do. The subversion of the Teachings of Jesus and the U.S. Constitution are much more important than a Sunday law. Do we have a 'deer in the headlights mentality' where we just huddle and wait for all the bad things to happen to us...rather than actively attempting to right the wrongs in this messed up world?

    orthodoxymoron - Tue, 10/07/2008 - 08:13
    Alexander asked: 'A question I'd like to explore is the roots of the very white Protestant American fear still in the 21st century of paying income taxes and central banking. Yeah, I like my money too, but it's just weird to see grown men carrying on and whining that the big plan is to abandon the dollar for something called the "amero."'

    I reply: The following video may be a partial answer to your question:
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936

    What upsets me is how upset people get about politics, religion, and money. Can't we just get along?

    orthodoxymoron - Tue, 10/07/2008 - 12:52
    Alexander,

    Thank-you for your corrective response. I am amazed that you critiqued a 3.5 hour video so effectively after reflecting upon it for just over an hour. I am chastened and contrite. I thought the video was quite good and relevant to the current international banking crisis, and that it helped to answer your question. Live and learn.

    Could you provide us with links to superior videos on the subjects of International Banking, Fractional Reserve Banking, the History of the Federal Reserve and Central Banking? Also, could you provide us with links to audits of the Federal Reserve and audits of Fort Knox Gold over the past 20 years. Finally, could you provide us with a link to the law which requires Americans to pay a Federal Income Tax?

    I eagerly await your reply. There is so much disinformation out there to mislead simple white folks, such as myself.

    orthodoxymoron - Tue, 10/07/2008 - 12:43
    Thank-you Alexander. But where did I attack you? Wasn't it the other way around? I waved the white flag as I headed for the library.

    More! http://spectrummagazine.org/blog/2008/09/30/seventh-day-adventists-united-against-wall-street-bailout

    orthodoxymoron - Tue, 09/30/2008 - 10:54
    What's the matter, David? You don't believe in trickle-down economics or voodoo economics? Do you have a problem with Reaganomics (Reagan Hood: steal from the poor and give to the rich)? Actually I liked Ronald Reagan, and recently purchased a book of Reagan speeches. I'm a Paleo-Conservative. Although...I know of one person who considers the 'nasty little horn' to be Ronald Reagan...not Antiochus Epiphanes.

    How about tying a national debt reduction program to the Wall Street Bailout? How about ending the Iraq Crusade? How about doubling the size and authority of the GAO and the SEC? How about a thorough audit of the Fed? Where is our gold? How about sound money that we don't have to pay interest on?

    orthodoxymoron - Wed, 10/01/2008 - 05:49
    Final Scene(smoke-filled room filled with politicians): "First, we'll nationalize the finance industry. Next, we'll get everyone RFID chipped. Without the chip, they won't be able to buy or sell. If they don't go along with the New World Order...we'll just turn off their chip, and see how they like it! Then, all we need is another terrorist event...and they'll be begging for a world government...with no stupid constitution to get in our way." Fiction or Non-Fiction?

    orthodoxymoron - Thu, 10/02/2008 - 14:31
    Sometimes I think that leverage should be eliminated in the markets. It should require $10,000 cash to purchase $10,000 worth of Microsoft stock. Sometimes I think that day-trading should be eliminated. Perhaps a security should have to be held at least overnight(to keep it warm...in a Security Blanket). Sometimes I think that there should be no short selling. Period. Naked or otherwise...everyone should cover their shorts. Finally, sometimes I think derivatives are a black-hole for money which should probably be eliminated. Has anyone derived the Schroedinger Wave Equation? These steps might help to stabilize the markets. Of course, a lot of people profit obscenely from the volatility. Unfortunately, a lot of people lose their retirement money in the chaos of this volatility. No trader should ever be able to become a rogue-trader and lose 7 billion dollars for a Societe Generale, or bring down a Barings Bank...single handedly.

    But what do I know? If I was smart...I'd be rich.

    orthodoxymoron - Fri, 10/03/2008 - 08:38
    The Iraq Crusade is creating terrorists faster than we can kill them. We are spending money faster than we can print it. Support our troops...and our economy. Bring the troops home.

    How about being Pro-Choice prior to brainwaves and heartbeats...and then being Pro-Life thereafter? People are declared 'Dead' when brainwaves and heartbeats cease. Why not declare a baby to be 'Alive' when brainwaves and heartbeats commence? Anyone causing brainwaves and heartbeats to cease would be charged with Murder in the First Degree. This would make both sides angry...which is probably an indication that it makes sense.

    There is a haunting song by Seals and Crofts about abortion from the perspective of the unborn baby. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJOR0UU9Kmk&feature=related

    Abortion truly is an unseen Holocaust. It is the pre-meditated, systematic, and efficient extermination of the undesirables.

    orthodoxymoron - Fri, 10/03/2008 - 08:59
    So...this is a bailout for the international bankers? I think we just dug a deeper hole for ourselves...as opposed to getting out of the hole and filling it so we don't fall into it again. Research international banking history. It isn't pretty. Start by examining the history of the Rothschilds. Perhaps this is all about internationalizing the financial system. The World Bank: 'You can't leave home without us'.

    orthodoxymoron - Sun, 10/05/2008 - 01:04
    Please watch the following video to get a better perspective on the financial history of the United States, and how we got to where we are today. You might want to take some tranquilizers before you watch it:
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936

    orthodoxymoron - Sat, 10/04/2008 - 00:36
    Those who worship power and blindly submit to authority may very well be the ones to watch out for. It matters not whether they are liberal or conservative, Catholic or Protestant.

    orthodoxymoron - Mon, 10/06/2008 - 00:52
    I'm almost begging you to watch the following:

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936

    Is the current banking crisis a Financial 9/11? It seems as though, figuratively speaking, the first tower has been hit, and the second tower is about to be hit. The firemen have arrived in the form of the bailout. But no one knows how bad things are really going to get...except those who planned it, that is. Then, a terrorist event of biblical proportions could theoretically bring everything crashing down in a controlled demolition of the world economy and governments. A counterfeit second coming of Christ might be next...staged by the demons who are already here...to bring order out of chaos. Then, the actual second coming of Christ might be viewed as an attack!? The final movements will be rapid ones. I don't sound paranoid, do I? I forgot to take my medicine again. Sorry.

    More! http://spectrummagazine.org/blog/2008/07/15/loma-linda-university-medical-center-expands

    orthodoxymoron - Sat, 07/19/2008 - 11:37
    Rumor has it that a group of SDA researchers are trying to find the Missing Loma Linda Link. They operate secretly because they don't want to be labeled. Funding for the project is reportedly being furnished by an anonymous supporter who is also financing a group of SDA Raiders of the Lost Ark. Members of both groups were laughing as they entered a local bank...

    orthodoxymoron - Sun, 07/20/2008 - 02:34
    My comment: Rumor has it that a group of SDA researchers are trying to find the Missing Loma Linda Link. They operate secretly because they don't want to be labeled. Funding for the project is reportedly being furnished by an anonymous supporter who is also financing a group of SDA Raiders of the Lost Ark. Members of both groups were laughing as they entered a local bank...

    Tom's comment: If the news blog was intended as a joke it was a very poor one. One does not play games with the lives and health of people.

    My response: I thought laughter was the best medicine. Live and learn.

    What percentage of the total health care expenditures in the United States is devoted to prevention? The pathetic answer to this question is the real playing of games with the lives and health of people. Isn't this the game of how much fame, fortune, and power can be achieved? Isn't it time to get serious about prevention?

    orthodoxymoron - Mon, 07/21/2008 - 12:24
    Comments:

    It is not the medical profession standing in the way of prevention. It is the manufacturers, wholesalers, retailers, marketers, and the taste buds they have created. Most preventatives are diet and lifestyle related. So we tax and spend on treatment.

    As long as sin abounds therapy will also have to abound.

    P.S. laughter is good medicine as long it is not at the expense of someone else. Butt jokes are not fun or funny.

    If you didn't agree you would use your real name.

    Response:

    It sounds as though Satan and his fellow snakes have the upper hand, and no one dares do too much about it. Aren't we supposed to fight evil? I thought we were in the pro-responsibility, anti-irresponsibility business. Why isn't this a theological, political, and legal issue? If a company is complicit in harming and destroying the American public and the environment...why aren't they put in the hot-seat...and out of business? Anyone for a boycott? Are we content to be Iniquity Janitorial, LLC? And basically clean up after the Devil, put band-aids on his victims, and charge exorbitant rates to do so?

    I'm sorry for my retentive-hate jokes. The Missing Loma Linda Link Research Team(MLLLRT) and the SDA Raiders of the Lost Ark(SDARLA) are threatening legal action. The proctololgists are after me too. This is in addition to the Jesuits and Opus Dei(including Silas). Black helicopters from the 7th floor heliport are circling my house.

    I use the name orthodoxymoron because I'm paranoid. And just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get me. I like orthodoxymoron so much that I'm considering changing my name. I'm proud to be known as orthodoxymoron...it's sort of like being...Super Blogger! I am somebody!

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    Post  orthodoxymoron Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:45 pm

    A former site of mine www.redletterchurch.net was mysteriously taken from me some years ago -- and even more mysteriously completely removed from the internet. 'The Address Which Never Was'. You can read the contents of that Forbidden Thread right here in the Mists! http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t1040-red-letter-church I was too frightened and paranoid to investigate. Ignorance is Bliss. So why am I not happy -- being a 'Completely Ignorant Fool' and such??!!

    I continue to favor properly maintaining the church-buildings which already exist -- but mostly refraining from new construction. I favor an intertwining of the royal-model and servant-model in church and state -- but I don't know how to properly implement this concept. It might be interesting to study the 1928 'Book of Common Prayer', 'The Desire of Ages', 'The Federalist Papers', and Sacred Classical Music -- within the confines of Vatican City -- interacting with various Princes of the Church on a daily basis!!!! Can you imagine participating in such a project for one full year???!!! I'm a little different, aren't I???!!!

    Somewhat unrelatedly, consider reading 'Daniel 8:14, the Day of Atonement, and the Investigative Judgment' by Dr. Desmond Ford. It often reads like a mystery novel!!! Imagine this theological battle from the context of Gizeh Intelligence!!!! My copy is in tatters -- with at least half of the pages missing!! I need a new copy!! Notice that I take very few firm theological positions. I encourage STUDY more than I encourage ORTHODOXY. http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B002VIBJ7W/ref=sr_1_15_olp?ie=UTF8&qid=1334873916&sr=8-15&condition=used

    Consider the possibility of Temples, Dracs, the Ark of the Covenant, a Sanctuary Service, and Three Key Archangels (Ark-Angels?) in Ancient Sirius, Eden, Babylon, Egypt, etc!!! Was Jesus one of the Archangels??? Should Christianity focus upon Ancient Babylon and Egypt??? Was the Jewish emphasis really a rewrite of history -- possibly to gloss-over a VERY problematic history??? Consider reading 'Jesus: Last of the Pharaohs' by Ralph Ellis, 'The Gods of Eden' by William Bramley, and 'The Twelth Planet' by Zechariah Sitchin. I am NOT endorsing any of them -- but I am suggesting that the topics covered in these volumes should be given VERY careful consideration.

    The more I study, the less I know -- or so it seems. I have gravitated toward my own brand of Political and Theological Science Fiction -- which I mostly keep within the confines of my mind. Materials such as 'The Holy Tablets' reflect POSSIBILITIES to me -- rather than my considering them to be FACTUAL. I have no way of knowing what is REALLY the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Regardless of the validity of 'The Holy Tablets' I think that Black History and Spirituality should not be neglected -- especially regarding Ancient North Africa.

    Here is some more of my ancient internet posting! http://spectrummagazine.org/review/2008/07/16/open-thread-what-have-you-been-watching

    orthodoxymoron - Wed, 07/16/2008 - 09:39
    I'm hopelessly addicted to YouTube. I need a support group. My television quit half a year ago...and I have no plans to replace it. I rarely go to the movie theater. I recently rewatched the Da Vinci Code and the old movie 'V'. Could 'V' be in our future? I hope not. I much prefer Desire of Ages to Amazing Facts. Do any SDA evangelists give 'Desire of Ages based' presentations? Speaking of movies...Steven Speilberg's step-mother used to attend Graham Maxwell's Sabbath School class at LLU. I recommended Desire of Ages to her and wished out loud that 'someone' would make a first-rate motion picture based on DA. Without a doubt, I have no clout...

    orthodoxymoron - Wed, 07/16/2008 - 12:07
    If you want to smile and cry...click this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlfKdbWwruY Be sure to click 'watch in high quality' and to click the little box to enlarge the video. Also, watch the 'Outtakes' video. Does our theology make people want to dance? Why can't we make the world into one big party...instead of a war zone? Is this the 'Kingdom of God' that Jesus talked about?

    More! http://spectrummagazine.org/blog/2008/09/24/atheist-ethics

    orthodoxymoron - Tue, 09/30/2008 - 07:28
    Have atheists simply rejected organized religion and the Old Testament God? Didn't Jesus do the same? Speaking of atheists...has anyone heard of Pat Condell? He is an English atheist who is an ex-Catholic. He is sort of mean...but he makes some good points. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4mWiqkGy-Y.

    orthodoxymoron - Tue, 09/30/2008 - 09:10
    Carlitas,

    I'm a closet Condell fan. Pat's version of 'religious freedom' is 'freedom from religion'. A gay atheist had better say a prayer(just in case) before coming out.

    More! http://spectrummagazine.org/blog/2008/07/19/prophetic-short-sermon-series-literalism-vs-fundamentalism

    orthodoxymoron - Mon, 07/21/2008 - 06:37
    How about a fundamentalism which considers the teachings of Jesus to be fundamental...with the rest of scripture being contextual and historical...but not fundamentally authoritative? To be a Christian, by definition, is to be a follower of Jesus. Shouldn't the teachings of Jesus be the Christian Constitution in the same way that the U.S. Constitution is fundamentally authoritative in the United States of America? The Federalist Papers are contextual and explanatory...but not authoritative.

    By the way, has anyone attended a Westar meeting? Did you wear a trench-coat and dark glasses?

    orthodoxymoron - Tue, 07/22/2008 - 08:06
    The words which are printed in red letters in a red letter edition of the Bible are fundamental. This, I suppose, is a more refined fundamentalism of sorts, but without all the negative baggage. When the word “fundamentalism” is used, many people think of militants marching in the streets shouting slogans, waving flags, and brandishing grenade launchers! One gets the picture that a fundamentalist is interested only in teaching and enforcing…not reasoning and learning.

    On the other hand, isn’t it important to have a basic formulation of truth, including psychology, ethics, and spirituality? It is impossible to properly play a baseball game without rules and referees. It is also impossible to properly live life without a basic system of psychology, ethics, and spirituality. Ideally, the standard should be historical, include the essentials, and exclude the non-essentials.

    The Constitution of the United States is a very simple and concise document. In fact, it is mostly structural and procedural in nature. On the other hand, the Christian Constitution, if you will, has historically consisted of all 66 canonical books of the Bible, with all words carrying equal weight and importance. This has created legion numbers of theologies and churches. It has been a Weapon of Mass Confusion! A real Loose Canon! Excathedra proclamations have been necessary to maintain ecclesiastical law and order. Atrocities have even been perpetrated against those with differing convictions. Evangelism has been conducted with the torch and the sword, in God‘s name. If you can’t convince them…torture and kill them...

    Liberalism has sought to abort these exegetical monstrosities and diabolical administrative practices, but all too often destroys the mother instead. The whole Bible is often mockingly rejected privately, while being publicly damned with faint praise. It is reminiscent of drilling a hole in your own lifeboat!

    Fundamentalist Christians and Evangelicals have labored valiantly to maintain the doctrinal integrity of all 66 books in a harmonious unity. This only works if there are strong, charismatic leaders who accentuate the positive, eliminate the negative, get rid of Mr. In-Between, and all those who dare question the authority of the church hierarchy and it‘s interpretations and applications of scripture!

    Put bluntly, I believe that the Red Letter Teachings of Jesus Christ are fundamental, and that the rest of scripture is important, but NOT fundamental. It is contextual and illuminating, but not authoritative. Is that heresy? To Churchianity…yes. To Jesus Christ…no. Who’s side are you on? I have decided to follow Jesus. Choose you this day who you will serve.

    orthodoxymoron - Tue, 07/22/2008 - 13:24
    When commenting on several topics, I have indicated a red-letter bias. There has been almost no response regarding this important issue. But I have been repeatedly taken to task for being a smart-alec.

    Mea Culpa! I can't help it. I've tried to change. I've even prayed about it. Nothing works. Guess I was born that way. And Jesus loves me anyway! But everyone else thinks I'm an...never mind...

    Seriously, isn't John Dominic Crossan taking a red-letter theological position in this video? He obviously has a problem with the God in the Old Testament and Revelation.

    orthodoxymoron - Tue, 07/22/2008 - 14:19
    Alex:

    I'm reading 'Red Letter Christians' by Tony Campolo. It's a 'citizen's guide to faith and politics'. It's mostly a political book. I generally agree with Tony, but the book contains very few of the actual words of Jesus. Also, Tony does a pretty good job of clobbering people who disagree with him. He has a take no prisoners approach. I guess I'm looking for an exegetical and pastoral approach.

    It looks like the link is to the Sojourners web-site. Jim Wallis is associated with this. They are good folks, I think...but Desire of Ages, Christ's Object Lessons, and Thoughts from the Mount of Blessing have spoiled me! Do these works get presented in evangelistic meetings?

    I'm kind of venturing forward with fear and trembling. It's so easy to get on a high-horse and become dogmatic. Of course, if you don't stand for something...you tend to fall for anything...

    It's tempting just to say, 'this is what I think.' But there has to be a historical/theological/philosophical/ethical foundation which also happens to be true and that actually works. Otherwise it's just a free-for-all of opinions and egos. Mostly delusion v delusion. And I really believe that there is a great controversy between Christ and Satan, and that we are in the middle of this bloody(literally) battle...and that the historical aspects of this universal power struggle are extremely important.

    orthodoxymoron - Wed, 07/23/2008 - 15:21
    Douglas,

    I just took off my coat and put my brass knuckles on!

    A minimal amount of violence would probably be necessary in even an 'ideal' world. Self defense is an obvious example. But this stupid world has been filled with violence and atrocity for thousands of years. Often, this violence and atrocity has been connected with some kind of religion. There even seems to be a Vatican connection with Adolph Hitler and Nazi Germany.

    The God of the Old Testament and Revelation is extremely ill-tempered and violent. I thought that Satan was the ill-tempered and violent one? Have many, if not most Christians, been worshipping and serving the wrong God, both historically, and in modernity? Is this a subtle, but deadly, Satan worship? Is this a major reason why this world is so violent and screwed-up? Satan doesn't want a peaceful, non-violent world, does he?

    The words of Jesus are very different. If Jesus was perfect...then shouldn't His words be viewed as being supremely authoritative for Christians? But Christians blew the Great Commission. Maybe many of them thought Jesus was just kidding. He belongs on the cross, right? Everyone else knows better than the second person of the Holy Trinity, right?

    I'm ranting in a generic sense, and not at you personally, Douglas. This is sort of a closed-door debating society of sorts, and probably most of the participants have pretty thick skin(and thick skulls in some cases--just kidding!).

    More! http://spectrummagazine.org/blog/2008/07/06/material-church

    Orthodoxy - Mon, 07/07/2008 - 06:53
    I'm having an identity crisis, and changed my name from David to Orthodoxy(not verified).

    The small local Lego church pictured at the beginning of the article is cute. But for those of you who think bigger is better...check out the Mega-Lego church at www.amyhughes.org/lego/church. This church illustrates a rear balcony organ installation.

    The floor is constructed of Legos, of course...but this church doesn't have a theological Lego to stand on. They just 'Lego...and let God!'

    orthodoxymoron - Tue, 07/08/2008 - 05:34
    My spiritual identity crisis is deepening. Orthodoxy is now orthodoxymoron. The idea is to be orthodox and unorthodox simultaneously. Some will undoubtedly think this is moronic(not verified).

    Regarding the material church: Where does Jesus tell us to build churches and go to church? Didn't Jesus tell us to pray secretly? I have concluded that church attendance is optional...but highly recommended. I consider church to be a necessary evil, wherein the Kingdom of God is established in ways not possible on an individual basis. But it is easy for the material church to supercede the spiritual church, and to become counterintuitive and counterproductive. Centralized passive collectivism is vastly inferior to decentralized rugged individualism. But in the material world which we live...we probably need the material church. Just beware of Salvation4Sale signs...

    I believe that Ellen White is right on so many things(especially in principle and concept), but one must read between the lines, with massive doses of reasoning and critical thinking. Rejection must be counterbalanced with acceptance on an ongoing basis and in a prayerful devotional context. This isn't a task for whimps!

    orthodoxymoron - Tue, 07/08/2008 - 22:05
    Randy:

    I'm sorry for the bewilderment and confusion. My post arises from my own bewilderment and confusion with the legion theologies of Christendom...all claiming Biblical authority. I am a Red Letter Christian. I have decided to follow Jesus. The teachings of Jesus are very different than the rest of scripture, although Jesus can be seen from Genesis to Revelation. I have a problem with the Old Testament, especially. Mostly regarding ethics, atrocities, rules, attitudes...and the absence of Satan. The following are two references...one from Leviticus and the other from the Desire of Ages(which contains scripture). Mine is a radical and heretical view...but it seems to make sense...and I am not employed by a church...so I don't have to worry about being fired...which I most certainly would be! I don't get paid to be good...I'm good for nothing!

    orthodoxymoron - Tue, 07/08/2008 - 22:19
    Sorry, I didn't finish, Randy. Please re-read the post you found bewildering and confusing. The big questions are...2,000 years after Jesus died on the cross...why are we still here, and why is the world so messed-up? My answer is that humans have not done what Jesus said to do. They still serve Satan. Very few humans have decided to follow Jesus...historically or presently. Satan still controls this world.

    My main point is that Satan is the legalistic, beady-eyed, kill-joy...not God! The substitutionary atonement was to pay-off Satan...not to satisfy God. To be right with God...we need to be right with God...not simply declared to be right with God. But being right with God does not imply perfection. We can always do better. It's like the Japanese term, 'Kaizen', which means continual improvement. You never, ever 'arrive'. This was Des Ford's point...but his solutions didn't work. He proposed simplistic legalism in place of complex legalism. They are two sides of the same stupid coin...

    orthodoxymoron - Fri, 07/11/2008 - 06:41
    One last item: The following video illustrates one of my material church weaknesses(vices?): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKImiR7a4zw&feature=related This is my favorite material church. It is Saint Sulpice Roman Catholic Church in Paris, France. When it comes to 'big church' sometimes mother knows best...

    orthodoxymoron - Fri, 07/11/2008 - 07:08
    I lied...one more: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mHOfP4MEfc&feature=related This one makes me cry every time I watch it. This is the part of Catholicism that I like. The music, church, and organist are all Roman Catholic. Fox's Book of Martyrs, the Great Controversy, the Crusades, and the Inquistion are parts of the ultimate material church that I despise. Can these Siamese Twins be separated without destroying the organization? I have not written these people off. In fact, my hope for a better world involves a thoroughly reformed and purified Roman Catholic Church. This view gets me in trouble with everyone...

    orthodoxymoron - Sun, 07/13/2008 - 14:03
    Just an afterthought: Was John Harvey Kellogg's 'The Living Temple' a protest against the 'material church'? Has anyone read this book?

    I suspect the above is not a part of the Adventist spectrum, to any significant degree. Is it a significant part of the spectrum of any Christian church? Maybe this is why I don't go to church very often. When I do go, it is to an ultra-liberal, non-invasive, Episcopal church. Odd man out. Game over.

    More! http://spectrummagazine.org/article/sabbath-school/2008/09/29/god%E2%80%99s-nature-basis-atonement

    orthodoxymoron - Fri, 10/03/2008 - 12:15
    Has anyone studied the concept of atonement in 'pagan' or 'heathen' religions...especially those which utilized human sacrifices? Jesus made the atonement, but evidently He didn't know what the atonement meant...or at least He didn't explain Himself very well. Thank God for Paul! He cleared everything up!

    More! http://spectrummagazine.org/blog/2008/09/09/scientific-subjectivity-bias-evolution-and-astrophysics

    orthodoxymoron - Thu, 09/11/2008 - 07:05
    What if life, the universe, and everything(including God) evolved...and then God genetically modified primitive forms of life into the complex forms we see today? Wouldn't this unify the Godless atheistic evolutionists with the fundamentalist God-fearing creationists? Also, is it possible that Satan has tried his or her hand(hoof?) at genetic engineering? Who made scorpions and rattlesnakes?

    If I'm strictly the result of a random collocation of atoms, as I think Bertrand Russell puts it, why am I not a cyclops, with a single eye? The whole business of two very complex eyes moving together, and the crossing over of the optic nerves, and the complex processing which an even more complex brain must accomplish to produce in-focus, stereoscopic vision, gets very, very complex. But it's all just a big accident, you know. But...if this is too complex to have 'just happened'...and required creation by God...then who made this God who is much more complex than His or Her creation?

    I believe...I believe I'm going to have another drink. Oh...I forgot...SDA's don't drink...or do they? Was Jesus accused of being a grape-juice drinker? Come on...

    orthodoxymoron - Tue, 09/16/2008 - 10:01
    A slimy amoeba in the deep blue sea...was the great grand-dad of you and me. Then I was a monkey...swinging in a tree. Now I'm a teacher...I've got my PhD. See what science has done for me?!

    orthodoxymoron - Wed, 09/17/2008 - 05:30
    Wasn't it Einstein who said that he wanted to 'think God's thoughts after him' and 'God does not play dice with the universe'? I like the idea of 'devotional science' which involves meditating and praying in nature, as well as working with proton accelerators and scanning electron microscopes. Truth is truth, whether it is taught by a church or not.

    My favorite shirt is the one which reads, 'In the Beginning God Said "[Schroedinger Wave Equation]!" And There Was Light!'

    Go Jesuit scholars! That is if they could all just renounce that wretched 'Jesuit Oath'.

    orthodoxymoron - Wed, 09/17/2008 - 07:50
    Discovery must be managed with responsibility. We have fantastic space-age technology...yet we often seem to exhibit cave-man ethics. We are so smart and creative...that now we can exterminate ourselves.

    Could this have something to do with source material? Imagine using a science text, which is thousands of years old, to teach graduate students. Why does science use current texts while religion uses ancient texts? Perhaps religion has some catching-up to do.

    How about incorporating the concept of responsibility into just about everything, including science and religion? Jesus incorporated the concept of responsibility into just about everything he said and did.

    Pursue pure science with child-like curiosity, and then apply science responsibly for the betterment of humanity. And be nice to the lab animals!

    orthodoxymoron - Wed, 09/24/2008 - 06:19
    Bob wrote: "Actually, Tom, the value of the Hubble Constant has finally been measured, and it looks like we live in an open universe that will never collapse."

    I write: Thank-God! I was starting to get kinda worried and nervous. Now I can relax a bit. Thanks Bob, that took the edge off!

    More! http://spectrummagazine.org/article/sabbath-school/2008/07/21/son-god-among-us

    orthodoxymoron - Tue, 07/22/2008 - 10:43
    What if Jesus never existed? I believe he did. But what if I'm wrong? Would this mean that there is no God, no life beyond this present physical life, no absolute ethical standard, and no hope?

    I have an answer...but I'm interested to read what others think about this question.

    orthodoxymoron - Wed, 07/23/2008 - 07:59
    As I have been reading the comments(including my own) on this site during the past couple of weeks...I have wondered what an 'outsider' might think about all of the conflicting points of view. Would they be inspired? Would they want to join in? Would they be amused? We seem to do a pretty good job of eating each other alive. And it's kinda fun, isn't it?! I frankly enjoy it...but I wonder if the 'perishing' world out there really give a rat's patootie about what we debate...

    orthodoxymoron - Wed, 07/23/2008 - 09:15
    Pat,

    I'm shy, paranoid, and spineless...that's why I use the pseudonym...orthodoxymoron. I have no integrity or courage. By the way...I like parties where people wear masks...and everyone tries to figure out who everyone is. I like to keep people guessing. My hat(mask) goes off to people who care enough to reveal their true identities. I don't like risks. I'm a better safe than sorry kind of person. I guess I'll have to derive your views from the responses you give to real people with real names. Actually I'm a ficticious person with a ficticious name. I'm the blogger who never was. The blogs are fake. They're holograms...

    orthodoxymoron - Thu, 07/24/2008 - 01:04
    Comments about me: Wear all the masks you want, you are still accountable. Choose your works wisely for eternity. Spectrum can be fun, it it should not be a joke. Some bee must have stung you badly years ago, but it is time to get over it. Loma Linda is going to get a Childrren's Hospital not another health food store. Try the farmer's market down in good old L.A. They have great stuff--edible also. Tom

    Response: Get over it? I'm just getting warmed-up! My father worked next to the Farmer's Market, at CBS. He used to speak with George Vandeman when he taped It Is Written at CBS. George liked the stage to be kept quite cold. Every Friday my father would bring me cashews from the Farmer's Market.

    Regarding accountability: Have I written anything which lacks responsibility or accountability? Have I been mean to anyone? You seem to not like me. You are telling me to change. You are not simply disagreeing with me. You seem to be making it personal.

    Should I follow your example and say things such as:

    The Loma Linda expansion may become the greatest fiscal mistake the Church has made since they made Neal Wislon President of the General Conference.

    Mr Straight Contradiction: Soory you are in a mid life crisis. I hope you handle it manly. But I do detect a hint of hot flashes also--check you library on preventive care--help must be on the way. Tom

    orthodoxymoron - Thu, 07/24/2008 - 01:21
    Frank,

    I am one depraved human being who enjoys heated debate, which to some, may appear to be 'eating each other alive'. This is only one of my many non-endearing traits. The upside is that other people tend to feel better about themselves after coming in contact with me.

    More! http://spectrummagazine.org/article/column/2008/07/17/our-biggest-north-american-division-crisis-isn%E2%80%99t-theological

    orthodoxymoron - Thu, 07/17/2008 - 13:46
    I once sang in a mega-church choir, and every Sunday we had celebrity guests and soloists. One Sunday, after a celebrity soloist got a standing ovation, the pompous and supercilious preacher exclaimed, 'try doing that in your little local church!' A staffer sitting next to me whispered, 'Oooooooh!' Needless to say, that put-down did not appear on their up-beat TV 'show'. I called it Celebrity Churchianity.

    The very small churches probably don't need pastors. The members can duke it out in someone's living room, rented hall, or Sunday church. There probably needs to be a critical mass(a Catholic problem!) of people to properly 'do church'...if church really needs to be done. We don't have to have fast-food. We can stay home and cook. We don't have to have church to commune with God. We can stay home and do that too. We shouldn't just 'play church'.

    Close a lot of the very small churches and build solid programs at well designed and built churches of at least 200 members(on the books). But we don't need mega-churches which worship Fame, Fortune, and Power more than Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. And which cater to 'felt needs'.

    A highly 'theologized' church like the SDA church, which is whole-Bible, Ellen White, eschatalogical, behavior-related soteriology, evangelist based...creates a lot of strong emotions, fear, convictions, and conflicts. In a small church, there is no place to hide. A liberal, non-invasive, liturgical church is much more relaxed. Some might say too relaxed. You do the ritual and go home, or wherever.

    To live in heaven with the saints...oh that will be glory. To live on earth among the saints...well that's another story. There is no good answer to religious and church problems. We just have to do the best we can, and not worry too much about it.

    orthodoxymoron - Fri, 07/18/2008 - 13:12
    My comment: To live in heaven with the saints...oh that will be glory. To live on earth among the saints...well that's another story. There is no good answer to religious and church problems. We just have to do the best we can, and not worry too much about it.

    Frank's comment: I just cannot accept that we should just do the best we can, as has been suggested, because there's no good answer to church problems. That's not the church I read about in Acts. Nor will it help us fufill the mandate that I believe we are to carry out as the Body of Christ. "We're doing the best we can," has often become a euphemism for continuing a status-quo that is just not working.

    My defense: Don't sweat the small stuff. Everything is small stuff. No matter how you package a theology or a church...there are still going to be problems. This is not the New Jerusalem. The best we can do is the best we can do. Playing the blame-game or engaging in self-flagellation won't help(unless you are Silas or belong to Opus Dei). I attended a model mega-church, where people came from all over the world to learn how to do it right. If you discounted the visitors...they had very few regularly attending members. Many of these members felt disenfranchised. I kid you not. The two services of 3,000 filled seats was not the true story of what was happening to the local congregation. Everyone has a bright idea for what the church needs. And many think that if everyone agreed with them, and did it their way...everything would be great. Unfortunately, we are all different. Actually it's fortunate that we are all different. I'm so confused! Leaders want us to think...alike! Sometimes we are deluded with conflicting delusions...and no one is right.

    Come to think of it...what did Jesus say about church? Did he say anything about how to make a church work? Did he tell people to go to church? Did he build a church building, and ask for money? Did he have his own church? What did he say when the disciples were admiring a church? Didn't he tell people to pray in secret? Was he saying, 'don't go to church'? Is church part of the solution...part of the problem...or both?

    Many SDA evangelistic efforts focus on the sensational…which mobilizes the paranoid members of the community…and creates new church members. Then the paranoia becomes focused on other church members…and the church is in turmoil. This is a very loose paraphrase of the experience of Dr. Arthur Beitz(the golden voice of Adventism) who later became a banker with a Rolls Royce parked in a carpeted garage. And some think Adventists are boring…the bland leading the bland. Do I have an answer? Are you kidding? Just beware of extreme liberals and extreme conservatives, historians…and especially Red Letter Christians! They are especially pernicious!

    orthodoxymoron - Fri, 07/18/2008 - 13:45
    Don Rhoads:

    I like the term Seventh-day Anglican. I'm probably close to this designation. But I think I might be closer to being a Red Letter Anglican. I like a liturgical approach to church. However, I would like to see a Desire of Ages version of the Book of Common Prayer...and a red-letter lectionary. The Psalms are included in their entirety, but not the Gospels...or the words of Christ. This seems very odd to me. I prefer the 1928 Book of Common Prayer to the current version. The 'Emergent Church' is interesting...but again I prefer the Desire of Ages to Marcus Borg or Brian McClaren.

    Have you read 'Evangelicals on the Canterbury Trail --Why Evangelicals Are Attracted to the Liturgical Church' by Robert Webber? There is a chapter containing the experience of former Adventists, David and LaVonne Neff.

    What a tangled web some of us weave on our spiritual quests. For some of us, this is a painful, lonely, and rocky road.

    orthodoxymoron - Sat, 07/19/2008 - 14:08
    Harlen:

    You are so right. I once loaned a copy of 'The Great Controversy' to a liberal Harvard-educated Episcopal rector. I tried to be cool, and told him about the plagarism and theological controversies connected with the book and Ellen White. He returned the book a week later, and had only praise for it...not criticism...and he was one who could criticize very trenchantly and convincingly.

    I have a feeling that Christianity at large will be shaken harder than we have been. The comment, "A lot of us think the Adventists have it correct, theologically. When the shaking time comes, we wonder if you'll be ready for us." is very revealing. A liturgical emphasis should not be viewed as running back into the arms of mother church...but rather as a protest to the historical corruption, atrocity, and theological subversion of the teachings of Jesus. We need to be a comfortable refuge for those who are dissillusioned with 'big church'.

    It's ironic that Geoffery Paxton, the author of 'The Shaking of Adventism' was Anglican, and that Desmond Ford is a former Anglican, who knew about the problems connected with Hebrews 9:12 before he joined the SDA church. Australian Anglicans, no less!

    I think there are many holes in our system, and that we are taking on water...but I don't think we will sink. Rather, we will become a life-boat for millions of Roman Catholics and Anglicans. Again, the question is, will we be ready...or will someone else have to combine our best ideas with the best of liturgical communion, and be that life-boat? The Episcopal church may be that someone else...

    orthodoxymoron - Sat, 07/19/2008 - 23:03
    Frank,

    I appreciated your liturgical observations. I am schizophrenic about the subject, and talk out of both sides of my mouth. It's a love-hate sort of thing. It can be very dry, repetitive, and dead. Or there can be a royal dignity, order, reverence and awe. I love Bach, and I mostly go for baroque. I love well done traditional hymns, especially during a processional or recessional, with robed participants actually processing or recessing. I also love contemporary music...but usually in a more relaxed or secular environment. I guess it's whatever works. If the church went liturgical, I would probably then want it to become praise church oriented. I would occasionally attend the Vineyard in Anaheim. It was a converted warehouse. But it was full of enthusiastic young people. I wasn't a big John Wimber fan...but obviously something was working.

    I would like to see paid Ministers of Music in our churches. And not just lawn mowing or paper route pay. They should be theologically, psychologically, and musically trained...and perform a pastoral, as well as a musical role. This would make them more well rounded, and could help to justify a living wage. This is important work, and should be treated and rewarded as such.

    Finally, I like listening to www.gracecathedral.org to hear the services at Grace Episcopal Cathedral in San Francisco.

    orthodoxymoron - Mon, 07/21/2008 - 00:15
    Do you ever have the feeling that the text you just heard in church was not appropriate, not helpful, and probably not the word of the Lord? I have! And while I believe that all scripture is inspired by God, I also believe that there is a time and a place for everything. Vast portions of scripture are probably best left to the classroom or to private study. Church is a place where we come to be inspired and lifted up! We come to have our faith made stronger, not weaker! We need a concise moral and inspirational foundation which is also historical. The words of Jesus should be central, as always.

    I wish to propose that a Red Letter Lectionary be composed as follows:

    Old Testament Reading: Selected from Proverbs.

    Psalm: Duh!

    New Testament Reading: Selected from Acts, or the non red letter portions of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.

    Gospel: Selected from the red letter portions of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.

    And further, that the sermon or homily always be based on the words of Christ. This may be called picking and choosing. It may also be called Dalmatian Theology. But I call it kicking Satan where it counts!

    The Psalms and Proverbs provide the best of the Old Testament moral, inspirational, and devotional material. They also set the stage for the appearance of Jesus. The book of Acts chronicles the Ascension, Pentecost, and the progress of the early Christian church. The non red letter portions of the Gospels provide a context for the words of Christ. And finally, the words of Jesus are the foundation of the Christian church.

    I do not wish to imply that the left out portions of scripture are unimportant. No portion of scripture should be neglected. It's just that church is a very, very special occasion, and that the Psalms, Proverbs, Gospels and Acts are central to the singing, praying, theological and moral instruction of Christians. So many books in the Bible, and so little time! The goal is to be appropriate, and simple, yet comprehensive. And to deal with that portion of the historical which is readily adaptable to the contemporary. To avoid exasperating and confusing the faithful and the reasonable.

    This is a hard saying! Who can hear it?! Put down the stones and pitch-forks! Extinguish the torches!

    More! http://spectrummagazine.org/blog/2008/07/20/satire-3abn-add-three-new-shows

    orthodoxymoron - Mon, 07/21/2008 - 13:42
    Did anyone see the cartoon years ago of kangaroos in a courtroom with the judge saying, "and now...about the matter of Desmond Ford..."?

    Or how about the cartoon showing a man pointing at a prophecy chart, as the second coming is occuring, and exclaiming, "You're Early!"?

    Some angry church members were caught singing, "The church's one foundation, the Ellen White Estate!" And "Dare to be a Daniel! Dare to stand alone! Dare to think of something new! Dare to make it known!" The instigators called it catharsis, but they still got in a lot of trouble, and rightfully so.

    Straight guys(conference men or otherwise) can probably learn something from the sensitivity which gays exhibit. But guys don't have to be gay to be sensitive and refined. By the way, did you ever see a conference man smile or laugh?

    orthodoxymoron - Mon, 07/21/2008 - 13:45
    Tom,

    I really hope this isn't serious. You will be in my prayers. One plus is that you won't have orthodoxymoron to kick around for a while. God bless.

    orthodoxymoron - Tue, 07/22/2008 - 13:47
    Tom:

    I'm glad things turned out ok medically.

    Your story leaves me conflicted. You posted a freedom version of the Ten Commandments, but I'm having problems with the final four:

    VII. Free From Ruling Passions (love not lust rules)---Problem is...people love to lust...was it a sin to look?

    VIII. Free to Share (giving rather than taking)---Problem is...the young lady was giving and not taking...was that wrong?

    IX. Free Face the Truth. (The No Spin Zone)---Problem is...would the priest have been less sinful if he had just faced the truth...and stared, without trying(lying) to look pious?

    X. Free From Selfishness. (Rejoicing in another's good fortune.)---Problem is...shouldn't the people on the bus have just rejoiced in the priest's good fortune...instead of judging him?

    More! http://spectrummagazine.org/review/2008/09/19/review-marvin-moore%E2%80%99s-challenges-remnant

    orthodoxymoron - Wed, 09/24/2008 - 12:25
    Aren't Protestant churches derivatives of the Roman Catholic Church(including Adventism)? They didn't really make a 'clean' break with Rome, did they? The teachings of Christ are not the foundation of the church of Christ...Protestant or Catholic.

    Is it possible for the Roman Catholic Church to change at it's deepest levels? Is it too big, too old, and too committed to never changing? What happened to Pope John Paul I when he was about to implement sweeping changes? Was Vatican II a deep and fundamental change...or was it a superficial change?

    Has anyone seen the movie, 'Brides of Christ'? Here is a sample: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPm-YqtBq9k&feature=related https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhkivB85tHY&feature=related https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQgHCQh2sJE.
    It is an excellent movie, featuring a Catholic school in Australia in the 1960's, and the challenges of understanding and implementing the changes made during Vatican II. I honesty cried while watching it.

    I have tried to not be a 'knee-jerk' anti-Catholic. I have participated in dozens of Catholic Masses, and found them to be quite inspiring. I have had numerous brief conversations with Catholic priests. Historically, it seems, that Adventism has had a 'knee-jerk' anti-Catholicism, without walking in the shoes of Catholics, and evaluating each issue on a case by case basis in an unbiased manner.

    There are similarities in the two organizations. In fact, during the Mary Kay v Pacific Press case, the hierarchical structure of the Adventist Chruch was compared with that of the Catholic Church, and used as an Adventist defense in the case.

    The bigger and older an organization becomes, the harder it is to avoid corruption and abuse. If the SDA Church was as large and old as the Catholic Church, I would expect similar levels of corruption and abuse. This is why it is important to maintain a competitive environment in the area of religion and politics, as well as in business. Competition(as long as it is constructive) helps keep everyone a lot more honest and above board.

    If the 'Separated Bretheren' return to 'Mother Church'...the checks and balances will be gone. There will be no barrier to corruption, abuse, persecution...and worse. We need to love each other...but we need to constuctively compete with each other for everyone's benefit...including Roman Catholics.

    Ellen White wrote directly and sometimes harshly regarding the Roman Catholic Church. Adventism has assumed that the Catholic Church cannot and will not change. I try to be optimistic. I am not fatalistic. I do not believe in absolute fore-knowledge. I believe that there can be a happy ending.

    However, when I view videos, such as the following, I have serious questions and doubts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJZVxlqmSxY and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4BThwMi0cE. High-level conversations and agreements should not be entered into before all historical ethical deviations are thoroughly examined and discussed, with all of their implications and ramifications.

    The Teachings of Jesus and the U.S. Constitution should be the basis of globalism...rather than a New World Order Theocracy. Go ahead...burn me. Well hello Silas...what are you doing here?

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    The library computers won't produce sound through my headphones, so I'm presently limited to reading internet material. Perhaps that's a blessing in disguise. This is helping me to back away from a lot of esoteric material. I'm seriously considering going back to sleep. Waking-up is so overrated. I continue to imagine that Humanity is a Recent Renegade Subset of an Ancient Reptilian Race -- and that Humanity is on the Brink of Extinction. My United States of the Solar System rambling has been my feeble attempt to save the human race -- if it deserves to be saved. How are we supposed to responsibly proceed, without an exhaustively honest and comprehensive account of Human History and the History of the Solar System?? I'm REALLY sick and tired of the guessing-game -- and of being mostly ignored. I have a stack of books which I intend to read over and over again -- so that the contents really sink in. I really do need to learn to research without moving my lips and without posting on the internet. Will 'they' eventually remove my name from the 'Red List'??? I doubt it.


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    Post  orthodoxymoron Sat Apr 21, 2012 4:44 pm

    I continue to think in terms of Retaining the Best Aspects (and Discarding the Worst Aspects) of the Presidency, Monarchy, Papacy, United Nations, and the Secret Government. I simply wish for the creepy, corrupt, and violent aspects of all of the above to go away. However, I continue to remain on the outside, attempting to look inside -- so I have no idea what's REALLY going on in this world, solar-system, galaxy, and universe. Knowing the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth -- might completely change my present biases. I'm simply doing the best I can -- with what little I have to work with -- as an Angry Old Fool. "Orthodoxymoron and the Temple of Doom: Sinners in the Hands of a Completely Ignorant Fool!!!" The Horror.

    Consider watching (or rewatching) the following:

    1. 'The Last Temptation of Christ'.
    2. 'Legion'.
    3. 'Brides of Christ'.
    4. 'Stargate'.
    5. 'Stargate Continuum'.
    6. 'Day the Earth Stood Still'.
    7. The Old and New 'V'.
    8. The Complete 'Stargate SG-1'.
    9. The Complete 'Dr. Who'.
    10. The Complete 'Star Wars'.
    11. The Complete 'Battlestar Galactica'.
    12. 'Dogma'.
    13. 'Oh God!'.
    14. '2012'.
    15. 'Avatar'.
    16. 'Contact'.
    17. 'East of Eden'.
    18. 'Raiders of the Lost Ark'.
    19. 'Ghost Busters'.
    20. '2001: A Space Odyssey'.
    21. 'The Divinci Code'.
    22. 'Angels and Demons'.

    I can't watch them, because my electronic situation is dismal and desperate -- but please watch all of the above -- with this thread clearly in mind. Once again, I am encouraging STUDY rather than ORTHODOXY. I continue to be somewhat brain-dead -- yet I continue to think that many of my insights are potentially profound. Unfortunately, I lack follow-through. Some of this is on-purpose, because I'd rather have YOU figure things out for yourselves!! Some of this deadness seems to have a lot to do with spiritual oppression (not possession!) due to my challenging the 'way things are' in this solar system. I often wonder if we live in the Earth-Division of Orion Incorporated? I often wonder if this world is BIG BUSINESS? I often wonder if my ideas would cut into the bottom-line of this hypothetical galactic business? Mind you, I am not opposed to Intergalactic Business -- but I have HUGE problems with human-sacrifice, human-abuse, slave-labor, intergalactic-taxation without representation, terrorism and war for profit and retribution, creepy rituals, out of control laboratories, etc, etc, etc. Once again, I desire a Perfected Humanity Living in a Perfected Solar System. But really, I have no idea what the true situation is throughout the universe -- but lately I have been thinking in terms of worst-case scenarios -- including the judgment, punishment, and extermination of the human-race. I am VERY afraid. Would instituting the United States of the Solar System be similar to trying to get out of the Mafia???!!! "Whaddaya Mean Ya Wanna Leave???!!! Whaddaya Mean Ya Wanna Back Out of Our Deal???!!! You're Real Funny!!! We Got Some Nice New Cement Shoes and a One-Way Plane Ticket to Lake Tahoe for You, Wise-Guy!!!" (Hacking Laughter in a Smoke-Filled UFO!)

    Once again, I'm reading (or re-reading) the following (among others):

    1. 'Jesus: Last of the Pharaohs' by Ralph Ellis.
    2. 'The Desire of Ages' by Ellen White.
    3. 'The Great Controversy' by Ellen White.
    4. 'The Holy Bible' in the King James Version.
    5. 'The Gods of Eden' by William Bramley.
    6. 'The Twelth Planet' by Zechariah Sitchin.
    7. The 1928 'Book of Common Prayer'.
    8. 'Antony and Cleopatra' by William Shakespeare (aka Francis Bacon??!!)
    9. 'The Federalist Papers'.
    10. 'Rule by Secrecy' by Jim Marrs.
    11. 'The United States of the Solar System' Thread.
    12. 'The Red Pill' Threads.

    Good-luck figuring everything out!! I've been listening to the local classical music station round the clock -- even when I'm sleeping -- and I let it play while I'm away! Combining nature, research, and classical-music is a winning combination! I've REALLY hit a wall. I'm trying to think everything through -- but I seem to be having a VERY difficult time thinking. Period. I continue to seem to NOT resonate with anyone. I am VERY lonely, troubled, and fearful. I'm VERY worried about the possibility of an extinction-level cataclysm -- via US, ET, or Who Knows Who and/or What?! Once again, I am merely defining certain areas of study, and making certain speculations. I am NOT an insider! Not in this lifetime anyway! I suspect that I have had much more interesting past-lives -- but I will NEVER do regression hypnosis, or anything even remotely creepy -- including joining secret societies. So, I will probably continue to Fly-Blind -- which might be for the best. I probably can't handle the truth. Perhaps none of us can. All of this madness seems to have overwhelmed me. I Feel Really Dazed and Confused Today. I think I could adapt to Underground Base life -- but I'd probably keep to myself and read books while listening to classical music. I doubt that I'd be much help. I am existing in a very strange space presently. I sort of like it, because of the insights, but I feel pretty useless as far as mainstream society is concerned. I am VERY apprehensive concerning my next life (if I even have a next life). I have no idea what sort of Karmic Debt I might have accumulated throughout the eons. It might be staggering. I am VERY afraid.

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    Post  orthodoxymoron Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:53 pm

    I continue to imagine that the Gods are mad at each other -- and mad at us. I so hope that I'm wrong. But please read the first five books of the Old Testament, and the last book of the New Testament, with unbiased eyes -- and see what you think about the God presented therein. How readest thou? Is it possible and/or proper to divorce the Decalogue from the Pentateuch, the Hebrews, and Amen Ra? Was the God in the Wilderness different than the 'Father in Heaven' which Jesus referred to in the Gospels? Are we dealing with Three Local Orion-Sirius-Egyptian Minor-Deities and One Orion-Sirius Major-Deity in Heaven? Think about it. I think about it all the time -- and it makes me tremble -- wondering how I might fit into the reincarnational madness. I am VERY frightened.

    "While Enlil, Enki, and Ninhursag (We Three Archangelic Queens?) went to Earth and made their home upon it, their father Anu (Our Father, Who Art in Heaven?) remained in the Heavenly Abode as its ruler. Not only occasional references in various texts but also detailed 'god lists' actually named twenty-one divine couples of the dynasty that preceded Anu on the throne of the 'pure place'. Anu himself reigned over a court of great splendor and extent. As Gilgamesh reported (and the Book of Ezekiel confirmed), it was a place with an artificial garden sculpted wholly of semiprecious stones. There Anu resided with his official consort Antu and six concubines, eighty offspring (of which fourteen were by Antu), one Prime Minister, three Commanders in charge of the Mu's (rocket ships), two Commanders of the Weapons, two Great Masters of Written Knowledge, one Minister of the Purse, two Chief Justices, two 'who with sound impress,' and two Chief Scribes, with five Assistant Scribes. Mesopotamian texts refer frequently to the magnificence of the abode of Anu and the gods and weapons that guarded its gateway. The tale of Adapa reports that the god Enki, having provided Adapa with a shem,

    Made him take the road to Heaven,
    and to Heaven he went up.
    When he had ascended to Heaven,
    he approached the Gate of Anu.
    Tammuz and Gizzida were standing guard
    at the Gate of Anu.

    Guarded by the divine weapons SHAR.GAZ ('royal killer'), the throne room of Anu was the place of the Assembly of the Gods. On such occasions a strict protocol governed the order of entering and seating:

    Enlil enters the throne room of Anu,
    seats himself at the place of the right tiara,
    on the right of Anu.
    Ea enters [the throne room of Anu],
    seats himself at the place of the sacred tiara,
    on the left of Anu.


    The Gods of Heaven and Earth of the ancient Near East not only originated in the heavens but could also return to the Heavenly Abode. Anu occasionally came down to Earth on state visits; Ishtar went up to Anu at least twice. Enlil's center in Nippur was equipped as a 'bond heaven-earth.' Shamash was in charge of the Eagles and the launching place of the rocket ships. Gilgamesh went up to the Place of Eternity and returned to Uruk; Adapa, too, made the trip and came back to tell about it; so did the biblical king of Tyre. A number of Mesopotamian texts deal with the 'Apkallus,' an Akkadian term stemming from the Sumerian AB.GAL ('great one who leads,' or 'master who points the way'). A study by Gustav Guterbock ascertained that these were the 'bird-men' depicted as the 'Eagles' that we have already shown. The texts that spoke of their feats said of one that he 'brought down Inanna from Heaven, to the E-Anna temple made her descend.' This and other references indicate that these Apkallu were the pilots of the spaceships of the Nefilim. Two-way travel was not only possible but actually contemplated to begin with, for we are told that, having decided to establish in Sumer the Gateway of the Gods (Babili), the leader of the gods explained:

    When to the Primeval Source
    for assembly you shall ascend,
    There shall be a restplace for the night
    to receive you all.
    When from the Heavens
    for assembly you shall descend,
    There shall be a restplace for the night
    to receive you all.

    Realizing that such two-way travel between Earth and the Heavenly Abode was both contemplated and practiced, the people of Sumer did not exile their gods to distant galaxies. The Abode of the Gods, their legacy discloses, was within our own solar system."
    -- 'The Twelth Planet' pgs. 173-5.

    Was Jesus a Demoted Orion-Sirius-Egyptian Minor Deity? Why didn't Jesus Christ simply live a perfect life in a Palace, and then be sacrificed within the Sanctuary, in a solemn sacred ceremony -- as both Priest and Victim? Why the nastiness, torture, and butchery???!!! Why all of the grotesque crucifixes everywhere? I keep getting the feeling that Jesus is a Galactic Personna Non Grata at the Head of a Renegade Human Race. Am I right or wrong?

    Brook, thank-you for both of the 'Red Pill' threads. http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t791-egyptian-folklore-and-the-red-pill-part-1?highlight=red+pill I'm presently going through both of them -- in addition to the 'Amen Ra' thread on Project Avalon -- which is really your thread. There have been nearly 26,000 views so far! http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18223&highlight=orthodoxymoron+threads I really haven't had a proper foundation, so as to properly absorb this material, before now. 'The Twelth Planet' by Zechariah Sitchin, 'The Gods of Eden' by William Bramley, 'Rule by Secrecy' by Jim Marrs, 'Jesus: Last of the Pharaohs' by Ralph Ellis, and 'The Historical Jesus and the Mythical Christ' by Gerald Massey -- plus my internet research and speculation -- have helped to provide a proper introduction to your material. A proper context is essential. Just reading your threads without some significant background, really does not work -- not for me anyway. I wasn't ignoring your work. I simply had to build my base, before moving on. I have recently been considering the relationship between Ancient Egypt and Ancient Israel -- especially regarding the 'Temple' or 'Sanctuary' -- the Ark of the Covenant -- Ritual Sacrifice (Animal and Human) -- and the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ. I'm increasingly centering Christianity and Judaism in Ancient Egypt.

    Has anyone taken the time and effort to internalize the contents of this thread -- and to then generate their own Political and Theological Science Fiction? Once again, this thread is not intended to give you what you want, or to tell you what you wish to hear. It is intended to make you face yourself and think. Someone please talk to me about all of this madness. Once again, I'm not trying to tell anyone what to think. I'm not sure what I think. I simply wish for everyone to think. It's VERY difficult to pin-down the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth -- about life, the universe, and everything. However, the possibilities and probabilities are scaring the hell out of me. I tend to think that things are very dangerous and chaotic -- and that the future will be even more dangerous and chaotic -- regardless of who is deposed and arrested -- and regardless of which individuals and factions take their places. I have recently expressed concerns that we might be facing a post-apocalyptic theocracy of some sort. Problem. Reaction. Solution.

    I'm not real big on 'alternate timelines' but perhaps the secret-government has a multitude of scenarios worked-out and modeled in excruciating detail. Perhaps Presidential Speeches are being written decades in advance???!!! Some of this sort of thing would make sense, wouldn't it?? What I object to is the corrupt and violent aspects seemingly associated with the secret government. It seems like an out of control version of a basically good idea. I keep thinking that an Ancient Grand Plan for Planet Earth got hijacked and corrupted -- which is why I keep leaning toward a reformation and refinement of everything -- rather than junking everything, and starting from scratch.

    Imagine being within a 200 kilometer bad-asteroid-mother-in-law ship with a central cathedral which might dwarf St. Peter's. Then, imagine this cathedral filled with Draconian-Reptilians laying prostrate before a Reptilian-Queen. Was this part of our past? Will this be part of our future? Just something to brighten-up your day! Is this an example of my insanity -- or might this be reality?? What REALLY pre-existed the advent of humanity? Was this new creation a welcome addition to the universal family -- or did the PTB proceed to seek to exterminate the 'Primitive Apes'? I continue to think in terms of a nasty past, present, and future. Again, I so hope that I'm wrong. I simply take everything in -- without getting too upset about anything -- including Russian vehicles in L.A. Who knows? We might have Drac, Grey, Anunnaki, Chinese, Russian, NATO, and UN Troops in the United States in the near future. I wouldn't be surprised by much of anything, at this point. I regularly listen to Sherry Shriner on www.thewatcherfiles.com or www.sherrytalkradio.com or http://www.blogtalkradio.com/sherrytalkradio/2012/05/10/aliens-in-the-news -- and she talks about this sort of thing all the time. I don't necessarily believe her or agree with her -- but she seems to have an insiders perspective -- and I like to selectively expose myself to upsetting and disorienting information as sort of a conditioning or training process -- so that I can better evaluate and respond to what MIGHT be in our future. I worry about the BTB (Bastards That Be) messing with the tectonic-plates (with who-knows-what technologies). I think I'm going to rewatch '2012' -- just to sink a bit deeper into unyielding-despair. Sometimes I'm sort of eschatologically-masochistic. I keep getting the impression that the USA is screwed -- and that once the USA goes down, the whole damn world will go down. What if 'Earth-Changes' are a cover for nasty secret-government factional-fighting? As you can tell, I've become quite cynical regarding a peaceful and happy universe -- especially within this solar system. It seems like all of us -- in all factions -- will be fighting with each other for all eternity -- but I so hope that I'm wrong. I often wonder about the true sources of nuclear technology -- and the true purposes of nuclear technology. Is this ancient other-than-human technology which has been inappropriately and irresponsibly resurrected from secret repositories of forbidden knowledge -- with sinister motives?? I often wonder if all of the nuclear programs of the world are under the control of one central authority??!! I often wonder if a lot of things are under the control of one central authority??!! Have nukes been transported off-world to attack other worlds??!! I continue to imagine that Fukushima was deliberately inflicted -- and that it might simply be a down-payment for the controlled-demolition of the human-race. Was there ever a plan to detonate all nuclear weapons simultaneously to exterminate humanity??!! I will continue to speculate and model the unthinkable in the hope that the worst-case scenarios can be avoided.

    Many years ago, I discussed Theology with someone with the last-name 'Ballard' -- virtually in the shadow of Mt. Shasta! I later spoke with someone who looked a helluva lot like St. Germain! I kid you not! These are just a couple of more strange coincidences in my strange life. Unrelatedly, what might Cecil Rhodes have thought about my 'United States of the Solar System' -- especially if the whole operation were centered in London??!! What might the Mormon church think of the U.S.S.S. -- especially if the whole operation were centered in Salt Lake City??!! What might the Vatican think of the U.S.S.S. -- especially if the whole operation were centered in Vatican City? What might the United States of America think of the U.S.S.S. -- especially if the whole operation were centered in Washington D.C.??!! What might the United Nations think of the U.S.S.S. -- especially if the whole operation were centered in New York City??!! What might the Secret Government think of the U.S.S.S. -- especially if the whole operation were centered on the Dark-Side of the Moon? What if the best aspects of the Papacy, Monarchy, Presidency, United Nations, and the Secret Government were incorporated into a United States of the Solar System??!!

    I am beginning to think about how to effectively deal with an infiltrated, subverted, and corrupted United States of the Solar System. You know this is what would happen, don't you?? Whatever gets set-up will get screwed-up. Just look at history!! Think this thing through regarding the next couple of thousand years of a U.S.S.S. This could be Heaven -- or this could be Hell. Just look at what has happened to the Teachings of Jesus over the past couple of thousand years!! This is a deceptive and nasty game!! Perhaps I really need to wage a moot-war against this thread -- and try to expose the weak-points -- and I'm sure there are hundreds of them! I'm still waiting for a scholarly critique of this thread -- and I have requested this many times. I sense huge fangs and sacks of venom behind the silence -- and I expect to be mercilessly attacked and bitten in the near future -- regardless of any sort of blissful honeymoon.

    I continue to stand by my suggestion that the human population in this solar system be limited to 8 billion - with 4 billion residing on Earth (half underground -- or at least half of the 'buildings' located underground) -- and 4 billion residing throughout the rest of the solar system (mostly sub-surface). This would be for environmental and survival reasons. Magneto-Leviton Trains and Uncoventional-Spacecraft would be part of the deal. Are we really dealing with Archangelic Factional Fighting and Power Struggling? If so, how many factions are there -- and what is the nature of each? I keep speculating -- but I know that I don't know what's really going on. My activities on this website are just practice for what I think might be in our future.

    What are the responsibilities and relationships of the following???

    1. The Universal God(s).
    2. The Galactic God(s).
    3. The Local God(s).
    4. The Secret Government(s).
    5. The Elected Representatives.
    6. The General Public.

    Consider the possibility of Responsibility in Everything:

    1. Responsibility-Based Ethics.
    2. Responsibility-Based Law.
    3. Responsibility-Based Religion.
    4. Responsibility-Based Government.
    5. Responsibility-Based Business.
    6. Responsibility-Based Education.
    7. Responsibility-Based Fame.
    8. Responsibility-Based Fortune.
    9. Responsibility-Based Power.
    10. Responsibility-Based Pleasure.

    I repeatedly requested assistance regarding U.S.S.S. Representative Voting relative to the Will of the People expressed in Daily Internet Voting. Unfortunately, I have received no responses whatsoever. I suggested that there should be some sort of modality to harmonize the two -- as the offspring of a Representative-Republic and a Direct-Democracy -- under God -- of course. Why will no one discuss this important topic with me???? Is it too complex???? Should a Sovereign and Righteous God delegate as much responsibility as possible -- or should they just issue orders -- and order executions for failure and insubordination????

    I'm thinking about designing Bad-Asteroid Queen-Ships!! I kid you not!! One design calls for the equivalent of the Hubble Telescope in the 'nose' of a ten-kilometer asteroid-spacecraft -- complete with multiple bridges -- a central cathedral -- and multiple remote-controlled micro-asteroids (Smart-Asteroids) launched through asteroid-holes!! I think I might've designed anti-gravity craft in previous lives -- but I won't bore you with why I think that might be the case!! I've tried to be nice -- and no one seems to wish to positively respond to 'nice' -- but do you really want it the other way???

    In a sense, one doesn't really need to be an 'insider' to think about 'insider-type subjects'. The truth really does seem to be out there -- but we still seem to have to connect the dots. Even 'official' sources contain a helluva lot of 'good-stuff'. Check this out!! http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/index.cfm BTW -- I think I saw another UFO a couple of days ago -- even though I don't look for them. I suspect that the solar system is full of them. I actually try not to think about them, because of Star Wars -- which I suspect might be ongoing -- here -- and throughout the universe. My world-view and universe-view is much darker than it used to be. I long for my childhood idealism. I prefer a 'Harry Anderson' and 'Uncle Arthur' world-view and universe-view. Does anyone know what I'm talking about??? Anyone at all???

    I keep wondering if Renegade Reptilian Archangels genetically engineered the Human-Being -- against the will of the Universal Reptilian Powers That Be???!!! If this is true (or partially true) I wonder if this 'New-Creation' has been handled in an irresponsible manner by both Divinity and Humanity???!!! Has this been at the center of the Original and Unpardonable Sin -- and the War in Heaven -- complete with the expulsion and/or exodus from the Garden of Eden? What if the archangelic-precursor of Jesus Christ was crucified and/or sacrificed as punishment for their part in the conspiracy/creation of the Human-Race???!!! What if the Extermination of the Human-Race is considered to be the Ultimate Final-Solution to the Sin-Problem -- as a Final Atonement-Sacrifice-Punishment for Sin???!!! Is it expedient that one race perish -- so the universe might be cleansed of sin, conflict, and duality???!!! In the latest version of 'V' the 'Visitors' presented themselves as being the friends and saviours of mankind -- when in reality, they were just the opposite. The series had a religious undercurrent, which I bet got ABC into a lot of hot-water. 'V' was cancelled after two seasons. On the other hand, I keep thinking about the possibility of three Archangelic-Annas in conflict with each-other -- and with humanity -- with one of these Annas being decidedly on the side of humanity (while still being profoundly troubled with the often problematic realities of humanity).

    What if the 'Protocols of the Wise-Men of Zion' is really a Reptilian Strategy for the Management and Exploitation of the Human-Race -- rather than being 'Jewish'? Bill Cooper included the 'Protocols' in his book 'Behold a Pale Horse' -- but Bill considered the 'Alien Presence' to be at the center of the 'Secret Government' -- rather than any one human group (such as the Catholics, the Jews, the Communists, et al) being behind a conspiracy to rule the world. Ruling the world is probably a Royal Pain in the @$$!!! Are a handful of useful-idiots presently being offered-up as sacrificial-lambs -- while new useful-idiots are being recruited??? Would a 'regime-change' merely be a 'puppet-change' -- while the puppet-masters remain in place??? Even if some of my bright-ideas were implemented, I would still be very wary regarding behind the scenes manipulation and rule by secrecy. How about 'Rule by Fool'???

    I continue to have absolutely zero animosity toward any individuals, groups, or races (human and otherwise). On the other hand I am often very frustrated by the spirit of the age, and by things in general. I am simply attempting to understand the madness -- so as to help resolve the difficulties (which I might've played a part in anciently and in modernity). I continue to be VERY frightened by all of this. All of my joking is probably my attempt to lighten-up some very dark subjects. In a way, I'm sort of glad that no one seems to pay much attention to my internet activities. This is probably a back-channel between me and a couple of NSA interns!!! It's probably easier that way!! My grand strategy is to 'think everything -- and do nothing -- other than posting a bit of this and that on the internet'.

    I would like to see Las Vegas and Area 51 reformed -- but not removed. I think it might be cool to live around Las Vegas and work at Area 51 -- but only if the creepy, corrupt, and disgusting aspects were removed. What if the Vegas Games were based upon skill, rather than chance? What if there were windows and skylights in the casinos? What if there were no teens clicking call-girl (prostitute) cards? What if Vegas were turned into a high-class affordable-luxury for families??? What if there were no malevolent entities and beings connected with Area 51? What if there were public tours of Area 51 (with none of the 'good-stuff' hidden)? I created a 'Kali' thread -- and made many speculations, and I feel as if I have spoken with Kali -- or at least a representative of Kali. I don't wish to be more specific. I also spoke with someone who claimed to have built Las Vegas with 'Bugsy'. The crazy thing is -- I believed them. Again, I don't wish to be more specific.

    I continue to think that the problem is not with that which exists -- but rather with the misuse and abuse of that which exists. The priorities and price-tags seem to be all wrong. I am conflicted regarding competition, cooperation, capitalism, communism, socialism, etc. I think that everything has its place -- and that our mistake is that we let things get out of control. I once attended several lectures by a Czech professor, who believed in 'Socialistic-Democracy'. I'd simply like to get rid of war, destitute-poverty, and the non-compassionate use of accumulated-wealth.

    How can we really know anything for certain -- especially regarding the BIG issues about Life, the Universe, and Everything??? I have been attempting to engage in a sort of Political and Theological Science Fiction -- which takes in all of the conspiracy-theories and little-green-men stories -- yet which remains mostly undecided regarding just about everything. Unfortunately, despite my best intentions, I seem to have burned myself rather badly with all of this madness. At this point, I'm not sure exactly how to proceed. Perhaps simply working-hard and playing-hard might be the way for me to go -- and this might be the best way for most people to live. I have attempted to converse with the people who frequent this site regarding aliens and the end of the world -- but I do not talk to people I meet every day about any of this madness. I have purposely kept a low-profile because of the volatile and upsetting nature of the subject-matter -- and because of the difficulty in proving any of it. Still, I really would like to figure out a lot of the hidden aspects of life, the universe, and everything -- even if it puts me in the poor-house, the nut-house, and ultimately in Camp FEMA.

    My computer does not play youtube videos well at all, so I can barely watch any of them. I have found 'The Gods of Eden' by William Bramley, 'Jesus: Last of the Pharaohs' by Ralph Ellis, and 'The Twelth Planet' by Zechariah Sitchin to be VERY interesting regarding our history -- especially regarding Biblical history. Also, the video 'The Ring of Power' aka 'Empire of the City' opened my eyes to a lot of things. Unfortunately, I never know what to believe -- so I just take it all in, and consider all of it to be possibilities -- and nothing more. I don't have a problem with the Old Testament as history. I think it should be studied by everyone. However, I do not think that the Old Testament should rule every aspect of our lives in modernity. I lean toward the Teachings of Jesus as being a general theological and ethical guide -- yet I lean even harder toward interdisciplinary research for arriving at truth -- and for deciding how to live today.

    Consider buying a copy of the 1928 'Book of Common Prayer' http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_0_9/183-5878814-4656932?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=1928+book+of+common+prayer&sprefix=1928+book%2Cstripbooks%2C841 -- and reading it while attending sacred and secular classical music concerts -- as I recently did -- without looking like a 'Bible-Thumper'! Actually, perhaps I should stick to Jesus Studies, Egyptology, Astronomy, and Sacred Classical Music! Think long and hard about that combination! I just started reading 'A Myth of Innocence' by Burton Mack! http://www.amazon.com/MYTH-INNOCENCE-Foundations-Facets-Series/dp/0800625498

    I actively campaigned for Ron Paul last time around -- but my internet activities have led me into the sci-fi realm -- and away from real-time politics. I really think that millions of people should research everything written and spoken by Ron Paul -- rather than focusing on the person of Ron Paul. Somewhat unrelatedly, I suggest the same thing regarding Dr. Robert H. Schuller. I'm tending to be more principle and concept centered these days -- rather than following the leader (who might stumble and fall at any moment).

    Please don't take this paragraph too seriously. I mean absolutely no harm. I am simply attempting to think about antiquity is some imaginative ways. Imagine the Traditional Latin Mass -- in the context of Solomon's Temple (complete with the Ark of the Covenant, and a Pipe-Organ!) -- in the context of Ancient Rome, Greece, Egypt, Babylon, Sirius, and Orion -- with Anunnaki, Dracs, and Greys in attendance -- with a priest (or some sort of deity) dressed like Ra (in Stargate) -- complete with sun-disk headgear! Is this completely delusional -- or is there some substance to this fantasy??? Think about the 'temple-court' in the 'Cold Blood' episode of 'Dr. Who'!! Notice the size and shape of this temple, the one in 'Stargate' (complete with strange humanoids), and Solomon's Temple. Also notice the academic-robe worn by the Draconian-Reptilian Elder-Statesman (in 'Cold Blood')! Notice the attitudes of the 'Drac-Queens'!! Notice that there were two of them -- or was Dr. Who the third -- on a reincarnational level??!! We Three Archangelic Queens??!! Remember Dr. Who telling the little boy that the scary creatures were afraid of him (Dr. Who)??!! What if Dr. Who is Anu??!! Who?? Notice what Richard Hoagland said in 'Dark Mission' regarding a 'Communion Service' performed on the lunar surface (in a 19.5 degree relation to Sirius) exactly 33 minutes after the Eagle landed!! There is some interesting Egyptology in 'Dark Mission'. What would you think if I told you that I observed and discussed the star 'Sirius' with an Ancient Egyptian Deity while we drove down the highway (after having coffee at Starbucks)? What would you think if I told you that they called me a 'Commoner' after I made a comment about 'Tall, Long-Nosed Greys'? What would you think -- Oh Never Mind...
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    There are too many unknowns connected with the contents of this thread. I have attempted to help all concerned -- but I feel as if I have simply made everyone angry at me -- without anything being made better. I even fear that I've made things worse. I would really like to know what the hell has been going on during the past couple of years in connection with me and my internet posting. I know that some of you know -- but no one seems to wish to be honest with me. Consequently, I'm leaning toward simply studying astronomy while listening to classical music. Would that get me off the Red-List? I am very disillusioned by my efforts to 'help'.

    Think of a 50 pound Torah being used for the Old-Testament Reading in an Anglican or Catholic Liturgy!! Imagine the Psalm, Epistle, and Gospel being read from a Gutenburg Bible!! I haven't spoken much about a lot of races, countries, and religions -- because I consider the City-State, United-Nations, and Secret-Government issues to be some of the most pressing topics imaginable -- but I am NOT in bed with ANYONE (other than my dog 'Jake Sully')!!
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    Things will probably get worse -- before they get better -- if they get better. Things might have to destabilize to a certain level -- before an effective reorganization for the better can properly occur -- but I don't think that any of this madness should be deliberately inflicted. This sad scenario will probably occur all by itself. The negative momentum is too massive to stop in its tracks. I am not anti-technology -- but I am very afraid that we are going to exterminate ourselves -- if ET doesn't exterminate us first. If there isn't a deliberate apocalypse -- there is likely to be some damn accident or screw-up. Sorry -- I try to be idealistic -- but I keep gravitating toward what I just said. Timing will be EVERYTHING in this crazy game!

    The loud high-pitched 'ringing' in my ears continues 24/7. My spiritual war continues -- with my mind and soul in a vice or head-lock of some type -- but I've pretty much accepted my fate -- and I'm doing more book-reading -- and less internet research and posting. I'm not complaining when I say that I have been extremely miserable throughout my life -- and that this did NOT arise by making 'bad' choices -- as some of you have sanctimoniously claimed. My mostly private war is becoming a lot more private -- and it's morphing into something I'd rather not talk about -- in both good and bad ways. Thank-you everyone for your insights and patience.

    You spooks (human and otherwise) should be more careful regarding watching me, entering my house, and talking about me among yourselves. I've had some unfortunate experiences lately (which I'd rather not mention). It should be enough to simply monitor my internet posting and telephone conversations. I have promised 'no surprises' -- and I meant it. BTW -- I intend to spend a lot less time and energy on 'important' things -- and a lot more time and energy cleaning and fixing my house. I might even smile and be more friendly if I stop thinking about innovative ways to 'save the world' -- and get some new teeth (at very great expense).

    It's interesting to me that Dr. Who and I both favor the artist Thomas Gainsborough ('The Blue Boy' is my favorite painting). I also find it interesting that Dr. Who has official papers from the King of Sweden. (What Would King Ring Say?) Dr. Who also seems to have been part of some sort of a genocide (against reptilians of some type?). Dr. Who is also referred to as 'Your Holiness'. Dr. Who seems to be not entirely human (with two hearts). Dr. Who is involved in human affairs -- lifetime after lifetime -- doctor after doctor. Rewatch the fifth-series of 'Dr. Who' for these, and other clues. Notice 'who rules' in one of the episodes (she's dressed in red).

    I am VERY troubled by the human carnage and environmental destruction of the past two-hundred years -- and with the potential human carnage and environmental destruction of the next twenty years -- which could make the past two hundred years of madness seem like a walk in the park. A big problem with 'waking-up' is depression and anger. My personal 'solution' has been to do Pseudo-Intellectual Political and Theological Science-Fiction -- which touches upon the horrors of our past, present, and future -- yet which doesn't get caught-up in a lot of the personalized negativity and nastiness. I find that I have to live partly in the 'Real-World' and partly in a 'Dream-World'. I'm finding myself thinking increasingly in terms of a Post-Apocalyptic Representative-Theocracy. This does not reflect what I want -- but I am very afraid that we might be heading in that direction. Angry Gods, Vengeful Deities, and Irresponsible People are a VERY bad combination. I will continue to be a mixture of Incurable Optimism and Unyielding Despair. We might be living on the Wrong Side of the Tracks in this Galaxy. This might be the Wild West -- and we might be headed for a VERY wild and nasty ride -- but I so hope that I'm wrong. Speaking of a wild and nasty ride -- take a look at THIS!!! http://content.usatoday.com/communities/driveon/post/2012/04/man-sues-bmw-for-persistent-erection-after-bike-ride/1?csp=obnetwork

    I continue to wonder what a 'Heaven' should be?! Think long and hard regarding the subject of 'Heaven' -- especially in relation to Earth and Humanity. This is more of a complex and problematic topic than most of you think. Think particularly about the possible differences between a 'Other-Than-Human Heaven-Above' (possibly in Orion or Sirius) and a 'Human Heaven-On-Earth'. I really and truly need some of you to study this thread in great detail -- and think through that which I have placed on the table. Think about it as if our survival depended upon it -- because it just might. I continue to think that Earth-Humanity and the Earth-Condition is such that we really are on the brink of extinction -- from multiple threats and for a variety of reasons. We really need to think about politics and religion in some very unconventional ways. This is more difficult to do than most of you imagine. Don't just think you 'know it all' or that religion is 'just a bunch of BS'. Just because there are seemingly absurd and counterintuitive aspects of religion and theology doesn't mean that this isn't the way things are in the 'Real-Universe'.

    I continue to wonder if this Earth is a 'Laboratory in Lockdown' -- with very powerful beings considering whether to press the 'Fail-Safe Button' -- and completely destroy the 'Experiment Gone Bad' -- before the 'Virus of Humanity and Rebellion' has a chance to spread beyond this solar system -- and contaminate the rest of the universe. The true state of affairs regarding Earth, Humanity, and Other Worlds and Races -- might be stranger and more deadly than we are capable of comprehending. Is 'The Most High' too patient and gentle toward Humanity?? Should Humanity be 'cracked-down-upon' with righteous and merciless judgment??? Will the real solutions to our predicament cause 99% of the Human-Race to become very angry?? Will the 'true-solutions' satisfy no one?? Will everyone hate their 'Saviour'?? 'Save Us From Our Saviour'?? I continue to be VERY worried about the future of the Human-Race.

    I think I get labeled as being 'crazy' because I think about things which most other people wouldn't dream of. I continue to refer to my tripe as 'Political and Theological Science-Fiction'. Does calling it such, remove me from the 'nut-house'? Is it really a sin to attempt to solve the Solar System's Problems by modeling a wide variety of seemingly insane scenarios? I'll bet there are those with advanced-degrees and fancy-badges who get paid big-bucks to model worst-case scenarios. World War III gets modeled each and every day. I know that for a fact. Perhaps Kalinin should've done some more modeling before he built this monstrosity. He was ordered executed by that 'nice' man, Joseph Stalin, when the K-7 crashed after only 11 flights. Remember the model-plane engineer in 'Flight of the Phoenix'?!

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    This is the Day That God Has Made! Let Us Rejoice and Be Glad In It! When Faced With a Mountain, We Will Not Quit! We Will Keep On Striving Until We Climb Over, Find a Pass Through, Tunnel Underneath -- Or Simply Stay, and Turn the Mountain Into a Gold-Mine -- With God's Help! In the Name of Jesus Christ, and With the Power of the Holy-Spirit, We Choose to Do That Which is Right -- as Namaste-Constitutional-Responsible-Freedom United States of the Solar System Orion-Roman-Soldiers -- Competing Without Ceasing With Positive Response Ability -- As Composites of Everyone and Everything -- In Our Going Out -- In Our Coming In -- In Our Laying Down -- In Our Rising Up -- In Our Labor -- In Our Lesiure -- In Our Laughter -- And In Our Tears -- Until We Come to Stand Before Jesus In That Day In Which There is No Sunset and No Dawning! Namaste and Godspeed! -- The Orthodoxymoron Creed (With Special Thanks to Dr. Robert H. Schuller) Note: I'm not exactly sure why I wrote "Orion-Roman-Soldiers" -- but it seemed to convey a certain sense of Galactic Authority which I thought sounded sort of cool!

    I am deeply troubled regarding the lack of information and certainty pertaining to the most important aspects of history. How can anyone make proper decisions today, without proper information about yesterday?? I am also deeply troubled that very few seem to wish to properly discuss this with me. I feel that it is improper to post as I have done -- yet I also feel that it is improper to arrive at important decisions without properly exploring all of the possibilities, regardless of how absurd they might appear to the casual observer. I don't really know about reptilians, greys, gods, godesses, vengeful-deities, et al -- but it might be important to properly research these subjects -- and then think about them in the context of a science-fictional format. I have done some of this, mostly because the standard answers don't seem to work anymore. Everything seems haywire. The real truth seems to be hidden and protected by the most powerful forces imaginable -- and perhaps for legitimate reasons -- yet I am highly frustrated by this. I think I have come into contact -- both online and in-person -- with those who could've properly discussed everything with me, and answered my questions -- but this has not occurred. I think that it started to happen, but that something went wrong. Perhaps I pushed too hard, or perhaps I was too shrill -- but now I am pretty much on my own -- and I am experiencing VERY bad vibes from a wide variety of sources -- each and every day of my life. This has caused me to become a bit bitter -- and I don't feel particularly positive and warm toward Divinity or Humanity. I despise myself -- yet it seems as if I'm supposed to be doing something of some importance -- but no one will tell me just what that might be. I keep feeling as if I'm hanging myself by attempting to make things better for everyone.

    One more time -- and perhaps one last time -- this thread was an unconventional experiment. I wished to explore uncharted territory -- to test all of us -- especially myself. I am NOT comfortable with a lot of the posts I made -- but I felt they were necessary to stimulate a certain level of thinking. Unfortunately, I suspect that everything I have included in this thread will be used against me in some rather nefarious and sinister ways. I suspect that this has already occurred -- and that it is probably ongoing. I keep wondering if anyone in the solar system has attempted a similar approach??!! I tend to doubt it!!! I'm actually a lot more conservative than you might think. Really.


    Has anyone been granted a PhD in 'Comparative Conspiracy Theories'? What if there were a 'University of Conspiracy Theories'? The phenomenon should be seriously studied, shouldn't it? What is the relationship between Conspiracy Theories and the Scientific Method? Perhaps all of the present conspiracy theories are just the few visible cockroaches -- which might ultimately lead to the Big Kahuna of All Conspiracy Theories -- hidden in some Mutant-Cockroach-Infested Wall of a Deep Underground Military Base!!! The Horror!!!

    I wish to reiterate that I consider 1. Nature 2. Research 3. Classical-Music -- to be a winning combination -- and I mean all varieties of research -- not just esoteric-research and conspiracy-theories. I support a Multidisciplinary Approach to Life, the Universe, and Everything. I continue to hope for a Peaceful and Happy Solution. I rest my case. Here I Sit.

    "It is the customary fate of new truths to begin as heresies." -- Thomas Huxley

    ApocaLipStick: Apply liberally, just prior to kissing your @$$ goodbye! "No Virginia! Not your husband!" "No Virginia! Your @$$ is not too big! Not anymore!" "No Virginia! Please don't kill me!" WWLD? (What Would Loki Do?)


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    Post  orthodoxymoron Tue May 15, 2012 3:44 pm

    Nibiru has supposedly been diverted, but supposedly the moon Mimas, from Saturn, will arrive soon (May 20?) and will block out the sun for at least three days. http://www.blogtalkradio.com/sherrytalkradio/2012/05/17/aliens-in-the-news Supposedly Mimas has some sort of 'death-ray' which could potentially destroy us. Who knows? Quite a while ago, I half-jokingly and half-seriously suggested that Nibiru take up a circular orbit safely beyond the obit of Pluto, and become part of the United States of the Solar System. Supposedly there are GIANTS on Nibiru, so perhaps my suggestion might not be a good idea. I don't know. I never know. Perhaps Mimas might go turncoat, and join the U.S.S.S. as well!! I obviously don't intend to open the stargates of the solar system to all varieties of Trojan Horses -- but I wish to disempower the 'bad guys and gals' -- and convince everyone to start 'doing the right thing'. 'What's wrong with it?' 'Everyone's doing it! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mimas_(moon) Supposedly Mimas is the real-life version of the 'Death Star' in 'Star Wars'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_star

    Mimas is a moon of Saturn which was discovered in 1789 by William Herschel.[8] It is named after Mimas, a son of Gaia in Greek mythology, and is also designated Saturn I.

    With a diameter of 396 kilometres (246 mi) it is the twentieth-largest moon in the Solar System and is the smallest known astronomical body that is rounded in shape due to self-gravitation.

    Mimas was discovered by the astronomer William Herschel on 17 September 1789. He recorded his discovery as follows: "The great light of my forty-foot telescope was so useful that on the 17th of September, 1789, I remarked the seventh satellite, then situated at its greatest western elongation."[9]

    Mimas is named after one of the Titans in Greek mythology, Mimas. The names of all seven then-known satellites of Saturn, including Mimas, were suggested by William Herschel's son John in his 1847 publication Results of Astronomical Observations made at the Cape of Good Hope.[10][11] He named them after Titans specifically because Saturn (the Roman equivalent of Kronos in Greek mythology), was the leader of the Titans and ruler of the world for some time.

    The adjectival form of Mimas is Mimantean or Mimantian,[12][13] and this is accepted by the Cassini mission at JPL.[14]

    For more details on this topic, see List of geological features on Mimas.

    Cassini view of Mimas's trailing hemisphere, showing craters up to 6 km deep and 1-km-deep chasmata (grooves). The large crater near center is Morgan; Arthur is close to the lower right limb. Pelion Chasma is faintly visible as a horizontal trough left of Arthur and below Morgan.

    The low density of Mimas, 1.15 g/cm³, indicates that it is composed mostly of water ice with only a small amount of rock. Due to the tidal forces acting on it, the moon is not perfectly spherical; its longest axis is about 10% longer than the shortest. The ellipsoid shape of Mimas is especially noticeable in recent images from the Cassini probe.

    Mimas's most distinctive feature is a colossal impact crater 130 kilometres (81 mi) across, named Herschel after the moon's discoverer. Herschel's diameter is almost a third of the moon's own diameter; its walls are approximately 5 kilometres (3.1 mi) high, parts of its floor measure 10 kilometres (6.2 mi) deep, and its central peak rises 6 kilometres (3.7 mi) above the crater floor. If there were a crater of an equivalent scale on Earth it would be over 4,000 kilometres (2,500 mi) in diameter, wider than Australia. The impact that made this crater must have nearly shattered Mimas: fractures can be seen on the opposite side of Mimas that may have been created by shock waves from the impact travelling through the moon's body.[15]

    The Mimantean surface is saturated with smaller impact craters, but no others are anywhere near the size of Herschel. Although Mimas is heavily cratered, the cratering is not uniform. Most of the surface is covered with craters greater than 40 kilometres (25 mi) in diameter, but in the south polar region, craters greater than 20 kilometres (12 mi) are generally lacking.

    Three types of geological features are officially recognized on Mimas: craters, chasmata (chasms) and catenae (crater chains).

    A number of features in Saturn's rings are related to resonances with Mimas. Mimas is responsible for clearing the material from the Cassini Division, the gap between Saturn's two widest rings, the A Ring and B Ring. Particles in the Huygens Gap at the inner edge of the Cassini division are in a 2:1 resonance with Mimas. They orbit twice for each orbit of Mimas. The repeated pulls by Mimas on the Cassini division particles, always in the same direction in space, force them into new orbits outside the gap. The boundary between the C and B ring is in a 3:1 resonance with Mimas. Recently, the G Ring was found to be in a 7:6 co-rotation eccentricity resonance with Mimas; the ring's inner edge is about 15,000 kilometres (9,300 mi) inside Mimas's orbit.[citation needed]

    Mimas is also in a 2:1 mean motion resonance with the larger moon Tethys, and in a 2:3 resonance with the outer F Ring shepherd moonlet, Pandora.

    Pioneer 11 flew by Saturn in 1979, and its closest approach to Mimas was 104,263 km on September 1, 1979.[16] Voyager 1 flew by in 1980, and Voyager 2 in 1981.

    Mimas has been imaged several times by the Cassini orbiter, which entered into orbit around Saturn in 2004. A close flyby occurred on February 13, 2010, when Cassini passed by Mimas at 9,500 km (5,900 mi).

    When seen from certain angles, Mimas closely resembles the Death Star, a fictional space station known from the film Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope, which is said to be roughly 140 kilometres in diameter. This resemblance stems from the fact that Herschel can appear in Mimas's northern hemisphere, much like the concave disc of the Death Star's "superlaser". This is purely coincidental, as the first film was made three years before the first close-up photographs of Mimas were taken.[17]

    In 2010, NASA revealed a temperature map of Mimas, using images obtained by Cassini. The warmest regions, which are along one edge of the moon, create a shape similar to the video game character Pac-Man, with Herschel Crater assuming the role of an "edible dot" known from Pac-Man gameplay.[18][19][20]

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    2.^ Harvey, Samantha (April 11, 2007). "NASA: Solar System Exploration: Planets: Saturn: Moons: Mimas: Facts & Figures". NASA. Retrieved 2007-10-10.
    3.^ a b c Roatsch, T.; Jaumann, R.; Stephan, K.; Thomas, P. C. (2009). "Cartographic Mapping of the Icy Satellites Using ISS and VIMS Data". Saturn from Cassini-Huygens. pp. 763–781. doi:10.1007/978-1-4020-9217-6_24. ISBN 978-1-4020-9216-9. edit
    4.^ Jacobson, R.A.; Antreasian, P.G.; Bordi, J.J.; Criddle, K.E.; Ionasescu, R.; Jones, J.B.; MacKenzie, R.A.; Meek, M.C. et al (December 2006). "The Gravity Field of the Saturnian System from Satellite Observations and Spacecraft Tracking Data". The Astronomical Journal 132 (6): 2520–2526. Bibcode 2006AJ....132.2520J. doi:10.1086/508812. edit
    5.^ Jacobson, R. A.; Spitale, J. et al (2005). "The GM values of Mimas and Tethys and the libration of Methone". Astronomical Journal 132 (2): 711. Bibcode 2006AJ....132..711J. doi:10.1086/505209.
    6.^ Verbiscer, A.; French, R.; Showalter, M.; Helfenstein, P. (9 February 2007). "Enceladus: Cosmic Graffiti Artist Caught in the Act". Science 315 (5813): 815. doi:10.1126/science.1134681. PMID 17289992. Retrieved 20 December 2011. (supporting online material, table S1) edit
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    10.^ As reported by William Lassell, Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society, Vol. 8, No. 3, pp. 42–43 (January 14, 1848)
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    12.^ Jane Ellen Harrison (1908) Prolegomena to the study of Greek religion‎
    13.^ The nt comes from the Latin genitive case Mimantis, from Greek Μῑμάντος; the old form of the name had been Mimans Μίμανς (Liddell and Scott's Greek-English Lexicon)
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    The Death Star is a fictional moon-sized space station and superweapon appearing in the Star Wars movies and expanded universe. It is capable of destroying a planet with a single destructive energy beam.

    Origin and design

    Although particular details, such as the superlaser's location, shifted between different concept models during production of Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope, the notion of the Death Star being a large, spherical space station was consistent in all of them.[1] The buzzing sound counting down to the Death Star firing its superlaser comes from the Flash Gordon serials.[2] Portraying an incomplete yet powerful space station posed a problem for Industrial Light & Magic's modelmakers for Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi.[3] Only the front side of the 137-centimeter model was completed, and the image was flipped horizontally for the final film.[3] Both Death Stars were depicted by a combination of complete and sectional models and matte paintings.[1][3]

    Depiction

    The second Death Star under construction in Return of the Jedi Films

    The original Death Star first appears in its completed form in Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope. Commanded by Grand Moff Tarkin (Peter Cushing), it is the Galactic Empire's "ultimate weapon", a space station capable of destroying a planet with one shot of its superlaser. The film opens with Leia Organa (Carrie Fisher) transporting the station's schematics to the Rebel Alliance to aid them in destroying the Death Star. Tarkin orders the Death Star to destroy Leia's home world of Alderaan in an attempt to pressure her into giving him the location of the secret Rebel base; she gives them a (false) location, but Tarkin has the planet destroyed anyway. Later, Luke Skywalker (Mark Hamill) boards the station with his friends and rescues her; in the film's climactic battle scene, he uses his power in the Force to help him destroy the station.

    In Return of the Jedi, set four years later, the Empire is building a new Death Star; it is half-finished throughout the film. Emperor Palpatine (Ian McDiarmid) and Darth Vader (David Prowse/James Earl Jones) send the Rebels false information that the station's weapons systems are not operational in order to lure them into a trap, and bring Skywalker on board to turn him to the dark side of the Force. In the film's climax, Vader throws Palpatine down the station's reactor core, killing him, and is mortally wounded in the process. Skywalker escapes with Vader's body moments before the Rebels destroy the station.

    The first Death Star also appears in the Star Wars prequel trilogy: its schematics are visible in Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones, and the end of Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith shows the Death Star early in its construction.

    The Death Star explosions featured in the special edition of A New Hope and in Return of the Jedi are rendered with a Praxis effect, wherein a flat ring of matter erupts from the explosion.

    Expanded Universe

    Emperor Palpatine (Ian McDiarmid), left, and Darth Vader watch the construction of the first Death Star in Revenge of the Sith.
    Both Death Stars appear throughout the Star Wars Expanded Universe. The first Death Star's construction is the subject of Michael Reaves and Steve Perry's novel Death Star. In LucasArts' Star Wars: Battlefront II, the player participates in a mission to secure crystals used in the Death Star's superlaser. The first Death Star under construction acts as the final stage in the video game, The Force Unleashed. Kevin J. Anderson's Jedi Academy trilogy introduces the Maw Cluster of black holes that protect a laboratory where the Death Star prototype was built (consisting of the super structure, power core, and Super Laser.) National Public Radio's A New Hope adaptation portrays Leia (Ann Sachs) and Bail Organa's (Stephen Elliott) discovery of the Death Star's existence and Leia's mission to steal the space station's schematics. The first level of LucasArts' Dark Forces gives the player a supporting role in Leia's mission, while a mission in Battlefront II tasks the player with acting as a stormtrooper or Darth Vader in an attempt to recover the plans and capture Leia. Steve Perry's novel Shadows of the Empire describes a mission that leads to the Rebels learning of the second Death Star's existence, and that mission is playable in LucasArts' X-Wing Alliance combat flight simulator. Numerous LucasArts titles recreate the movies' attacks on the Death Stars, and the Death Star itself is a controllable weapon in the Rebellion and Empire at War strategy game. A Death Star variation appears in Kevin J. Anderson's novel Darksaber.

    The first Death Star is depicted in various sources of having a crew of 265,675, as well as 52,276 gunners, 607,360 troops, 30,984 stormtroopers, 42,782 ship support staff, and 180,216 pilots and support crew.[4] Its hangars contain assault shuttles, blastboats, Strike cruisers, land vehicles, support ships, and 7,293 TIE fighters.[5] It is also protected by 10,000 turbolaser batteries, 2,600 ion cannons, and at least 768 tractor beam projectors.[5] Various sources state the first Death Star has a diameter approximately 140 kilometers.[4][6] There is a broader range of figures for the second Death Star's diameter, ranging from 160 to 900 kilometers.[7][8] In the Disney attraction, Star Tours: The Adventures Continue, guests can travel inside an uncompleted Death Star during one of the randomized ride sequences.

    Other uses of the term

    A few astronomers sometimes use the term "Death Star" to describe Nemesis, a hypothetical star postulated in 1984 to be responsible for gravitationally forcing comets and asteroids from the Oort cloud toward Earth.[9]

    Enron labeled one of the false companies used in its fraudulent manipulation of the California power grid "Death Star".[10]

    ILM's principal render farm is named Death Star. The effects house is extremely secretive about the computing power the AMD-powered Death Star possesses, but it is estimated that at one time it employed close to 1500 processors in 750 nodes.

    IBM's line of Deskstar hard drives (and to a lesser extent Hitachi's) are colloquially referred to as "Deathstars", especially the very unreliable 60GXP and 75GXP models. [11][12]

    Cultural impact

    The Death Star is one of the better-known concepts from the Star Wars universe and is widely recognizable outside of that context.

    In The Fairly Odd Parents, Dark Laser (a pun off of Darth Vader) planned to build a space station, known as the "Death Ball", a space station with Laser's face on it. It is also known as the World's Largest Disco Ball in the series.

    The Saturnian moon Mimas, photographed by the Cassini probe in 2005. The large crater in the center (Herschel) gives it a resemblance to the Death Star.
    In 1981, following the Voyager spacecraft's flight past Saturn, scientists noticed a resemblance between one of the planet's moons, Mimas, and the Death Star.[13]

    The video games Sonic the Hedgehog 2, Sonic the Hedgehog 3, and Sonic & Knuckles contain plotlines centered around the "Death Egg", a space station resembling the Death Star, though altered to feature the face of series villain Doctor Robotnik. The Death Egg is built as a destructive superweapon; the story revolves around destroying this object. A similar superweapon, the Space Colony ARK (with the Eclipse Cannon), appears in Sonic Adventure 2 and Shadow the Hedgehog.

    The Death Star placed ninth in a 2008 20th Century Fox poll of the most popular movie weapons.[14]

    In the US, networks that compete with Fox refer to American Idol as the Death Star due to its destructive effects on their schedules and ratings.[15][16]

    In Canada, the term "death stars" was used to describe U.S. Direct Broadcast Satellites capable of broadcasting signals into Canada that were not regulated by the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission.[17]

    The Creative Artists Agency's headquarters has been nicknamed the "Death Star" by the entertainment media.[18]

    RAF Mount Pleasant in the Falkland Islands is nicknamed "Death Star" due to its confusing layout.[19]

    KTCK (SportsRadio 1310 The Ticket) in Dallas were the first to use the term "Death Star" to describe the new mammoth Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, Texas. The term has since spread to local media and is generally accepted as a proper nickname for the stadium.[20]

    In February 2012, students from Lehigh University of Pennsylvania published a blog post that priced the Death Star based on the cost of steel to produce it. The students believed that in today's economy, it would cost $852,000,000,000,000,000 assuming that the diameter of the Death Star was 140 kilometres but that it would take 833,315 years to produce enough steel to begin work.[21]

    Kenner and AMT created a playset and a model, respectively, of the first Death Star.[22][23] In 2005 and 2008, Lego released models of Death Star II and Death Star I, respectively.[24][25] Palitoy created a heavy card version of the Death Star as a playset for the vintage range of action figures in 1979 in the UK, Australia and Canada. Both Death Stars are part of different Micro Machines three-packs.[26][27] The Death Stars and locations in them are cards in Decipher, Inc.'s and Wizards of the Coast's Star Wars Customizable Card Game and Star Wars Trading Card Game, respectively.[28] Hasbro released a Death Star model that transforms into a Darth Vader mech.[29] Estes Industries released a flying model rocket version.[30]

    References

    1.^ a b "Death Star (Behind the Scenes)". Star Wars Databank. Lucasfilm. Retrieved 2007-09-08.
    2.^ Rinzler, J. W. (2010-09-01). The Sounds of Star Wars. Chronicle Books. p. 82. ISBN 978-0-8118-7546-2.
    3.^ a b c "Death Star II (Behind the Scenes)". Star Wars Databank. Lucasfilm. Retrieved 2007-09-08.
    4.^ a b "Death Star (Expanded Universe)". Star Wars Databank. Lucasfilm. Retrieved 2007-08-09.
    5.^ a b Slavicsek, Bill (1991-06-01). Death Star Technical Companion. West End Games.
    6.^ Reynolds, David (1998-10-05). Incredible Cross-Sections of Star Wars, Episodes IV, V & VI: The Ultimate Guide to Star Wars Vehicles and Spacecraft. DK Children. ISBN 0-7894-3480-6.
    7.^ "Death Star II (Expanded Universe)". Star Wars Databank. Lucasfilm. Retrieved 2007-09-08.
    8.^ Inside the Worlds of Star Wars, Episodes IV, V, & VI: The Complete Guide to the Incredible Locations. DK Children. 2004-08-16. ISBN 0-7566-0307-2.
    9.^ Britt, Robert Roy (2001-04-03). "Nemesis: Does the Sun Have a 'Companion'?". Space.com. Retrieved 2008-08-21. "Any one of them could be the Death Star, as Nemesis has come to be called by some."
    10.^ Kranhold, Kathryn; Bryan Lee and Mitchel Benson (2002-05-07). "New Documents Show Enron Traders Manipulated California Energy Costs". Free Preview. The Wall Street Journal. Retrieved 2008-08-21.
    11.^ http://www.pcworld.com/article/59943/users_complain_about_ibms_crashing_drives.html
    12.^ http://www.pcworld.com/article/125772-5/the_25_worst_tech_products_of_all_time.html
    13.^ Young (2005-02-11). "Saturn's moon is Death Star's twin". New Scientistfirst=Kelly. Retrieved 2008-08-21. "Saturn's diminutive moon, Mimas, poses as the Death Star — the planet-destroying space station from the movie Star Wars — in an image recently captured by NASA's Cassini spacecraft."
    14.^ Sophie Borland (2008-01-21). "Lightsabre wins the battle of movie weapons". The Daily Telegraph. Retrieved 2008-01-26.
    15.^ Carter, Bill (2007-02-20). "For Fox’s Rivals, ‘American Idol’ Remains a ‘Schoolyard Bully’". The New York Times. Retrieved 2008-03-13. "If any of Fox’s rivals had hopes that this year might signal some hint that the monster — NBC favors the term Death Star — would finally betray some sign of weakness, those hopes were dispelled in just a week."
    16.^ Bauder, David (2007-01-30). "'Idol' Attracts More Than 32M Viewers". The Associated Press. Retrieved 2008-03-13. "Rival television executives not-so-fondly refer to Fox's American Idol as the "death star.""
    17.^ Hoskins, Colin; Stuart McFadyen and Adam Finn (1994). "The Environment in which Cultural Industries Operate and Some Implications". Canadian Journal of Communication. Retrieved 2007-09-09. "Their strategy has been to paint a doom-and-gloom scenario with respect to the effect of expected U.S. DBS services, dubbing the satellites "death stars.""
    18.^ "Agents: A Big Week for CAA!". Defamer. Gawker Media. 2007-03-16. Retrieved 2007-09-09. "We're told that most of the agency is away on a weekend retreat in Ojai, leaving the Death Star defended solely by some call-rolling drones"
    19.^ Clench, James (May 17, 2010). "Falklands 'Death Star' job for Wills". The Sun. Retrieved 2010-08-31.
    20.^ ["http://www.theunticket.com/the-new-death-star-stadium-texas-stadium/ "The New Death Star Stadium – Texas Stadium"]. theunticket.com.
    21.^ "How Much Would it Cost to build the Death Star?". Centives. Feb 15, 2012. Retrieved 2011-04-12.
    22.^ "Death Star Space Station". SirStevesGuide.com Photo Gallery. Steve Sansweet. Retrieved 2007-09-09.
    23.^ "Death Star". SirStevesGuide.com Photo Gallery. Steve Sansweet. Retrieved 2007-09-09.
    24.^ "LEGO Death Star". Star Wars Cargo Bay. Lucasfilm. Retrieved 2007-09-09.
    25.^ "3,800-Piece Death Star Diorama Is Coolest Star Wars Lego Ever". Gizmodo. 2008-06-19. Retrieved 2008-06-20.
    26.^ "#X: T-16 Skyhopper, Lars Family Landspeeder, Death Star II (1996)". Star Wars Cargo Bay. Lucasfilm. Retrieved 2007-09-09.
    27.^ "#XIV: Landing Craft, Death Star, Speeder Swoop (1998)". Star Wars Cargo Bay. Lucasfilm. Retrieved 2007-09-09.
    28.^ "Star Wars Customizable Card Game Complete Card List" (PDF). Decipher, Inc.. 2001-08-23. Retrieved 2007-08-23.
    29.^ "Star Wars TRANSFORMERS Darth Vader Death Star". Hasbro. Archived from the original on 2007-12-21. Retrieved 2008-01-05.
    30.^ "ESTES INDUSTRIES INC. Model Rockets and Engines". Retrieved 2008-08-21.

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    Who controls the destiny of our souls??? Who determines who we reincarnate as??? When a Rockefeller or Rothschild dies -- who do they reincarnate as??? Do rich people reincarnate as rich people? Do poor people reincarnate as poor people??? Do humans sometimes reincarnate as reptilians or greys??? Do reptilians and greys sometimes reincarnate as humans??? OR -- is there a great reincarnational gulf fixed between the races??? Could this be the source of a lot of the problems between the races??? The nature of the soul -- and the reincarnational realities -- might be at the center of our perplexities.

    I am attempting to review my own material. I have not mastered my own thread. This thread is really my 'to do' list. I am presently rewatching the first season of 'V' while interpreting it, based upon this thread. I plan to get the second season DVD's -- and then watch the series over and over -- to infuse it with deeper meaning -- if that makes any sense. What would a completely benevolent 'V' series look like??? What if Anna were promoting a 'United States of the Solar System'??!! I keep thinking in terms of three Archangelic-Annas in conflict with each other -- while the universe watches.

    What would it be like to live on the 20 solar system moons -- on a rotating basis??? What if Pluto were moved much closer to the sun??? What would it be like to live within Mercury, Pluto, Venus, or Mars??? What if Mercury were moved further away from the Sun? What if all of the 20 moons were orbiting Venus, Earth, and Mars? How would moving the moons, Mercury, and Pluto affect the other planets -- especially Earth??!! Is colonizing the solar system a good or bad idea??? What arrangement of the human population would maximize our chances of long-term survival???

    If it were up to me, it would be highly illegal for humans to hurt or kill animals (except for rare and extenuating circumstances). I realize that nature can be a mother -- but We the People of Earth should not make things worse. I have HUGE problems with suffering and killing. Why are the most obvious things so difficult to grasp???

    Our planet is how we plan-it, yet I still see a problematic 'other than human' component to our challenges and troubles. I am not endorsing William Bramley as a person. I simply found his book 'The Gods of Eden' to be absolutely fascinating. Also, take a close look at the God of the Old Testament. This God seems to be both sophisticated and harsh. The Roman and Jewish Leaders, at the time of Christ, appeared to mirror this sophistication and harshness -- and Jesus seemed to be at war with this 'sophisticated harshness'. Paul seemed to ignore what Christ taught -- and the 2,000 years of 'Christian' history has often reflected the same 'sophisticated harshness' manifested by the Old Testament God. Is it really too far-fetched to imagine Several Problematic Archangels in Conflict with Each Other -- Ruling a Problematic Humanity in Conflict with Itself??? I continue to see a complex and nasty past, present, and future. I support Idealistic-Theology -- yet I continue to see Problematic Theological Realities. I think that 'The Gods of Eden' might simply reveal one small part of a Very Ancient and Violent Universe -- in which We the People of Earth are doing the best we can with what we have to work with. Take another look at the 'Amen Ra' thread on the original Project Avalon site. Then study the two 'Red Pill' threads on this site. I simply think that the Galactic Problems might be beyond our comprehension -- and that a Search for a Useable Future might be an Impossible Dream. I am conflicted regarding 'Leaving Everything in the Lord's Hands' because I sense that Divinity and Humanity have had a very strained relationship for thousands of years. Is 'Questioning Authority' a good or bad idea??? Is Unquestioned Absolute Power a good or bad idea??? I am not opposed to the concept of 'God' -- but I think that potential problems should be thought out very carefully.

    I continue to be stunned by the tendency for just about everything to spiral out of control -- even the best of things. Someone mentioned the possibility of people throwing urine-filled balloons, and clowns protesting, at the NATO Summit -- and then things spiralled out of control. I just couldn't stop myself.

    Heh heh Dirty Bomb = Urine-Filled Balloon?? No Fly Zone = No Throwing Urine-Filled Balloons?? Lmao

    Crazy Happy Pee-Party Pee-Bombs!!! Crazy Happy

    jocolor I thought the clowns were attending the HATO Summit!!! jocolor

    Camp David is looking better all the time!!!

    Why not move most of the DC crowd to Camp David???

    Why not have all of these summits at Camp David???

    Why all of the expensive and dangerous traveling and meetings???

    Just do most everything at Camp David!!!

    Camp King David???
    I sense a perfect-storm in the making -- with all of the alien stories, conspiracy theories, political debate, and theological controversy. I support interdisciplinary research -- but are we in the process of destroying our civilization with all of this madness?? Researching and thinking about little green guys and gals hasn't seemed to make me a better or happier person. In many respects, just the opposite has occurred -- which makes me very apprehensive regarding 'waking people up' -- which is why I mostly just mumble to myself on this little website. I like the 'exopolitical' approach to all of this. I keep intending to spend some quality time on www.exopolitics.org -- but I always end-up doing something else -- so I decided to focus my attention in that direction within this thread. Here is the wikipedia information. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Salla

    Michael Emin Salla (September 25, 1958) is an international politics scholar who in 2001 became interested in the study of exopolitics and subsequently embarked on a personal effort to disseminate his exopolitical beliefs and hypotheses via the mediums of the internet, UFO and News conferences and radio appearances. Salla's most recent academic position was in Washington at American University, Center for Global Peace. The Center did not sanction his ufological research, and emphasizes that it is personal.[1] Controversy eventually led to Salla's dismissal from the university.

    His unconventional views have made his work the subject of considerable controversy and criticism within both the ufological and mainstream academic communities. Much of the testimony he uses to support his position is controversial due to a lack of empirical evidence to substantiate many of the claims. While many of Salla's sources are considered to be credible by adherents to the UFO Disclosure movement who cite a variety of supporting documents and credentials, critics argue these sources have been discredited for a variety of reasons; among these the dissemination of patent falsehoods in the content of claims made, and the misrepresentation of credentials.

    In 1983, Salla received a BSc degree from the University of Melbourne. In 1984 he received a GradDipEd from Melbourne College of Advanced Education. In 1987 he received a BA degree from the University of Melbourne. In 1990 he received a MA degree in Philosophy from the University of Melbourne. In 1993, he received a PhD degree in Government from the University of Queensland.

    In his early academic career in the 1990s Salla specialized in conflict resolution. He researched ethnic conflicts in Kosovo, East Timor, and Sri Lanka and worked to stop them occurring.[1][2] He led a series of workshops bringing together East Timorese and Indonesian intellectuals to develop a power sharing document to resolve the East Timor conflict. The resulting document was incorporated into the 1999 U.N. supervised referendum voted upon by the East Timorese. On September 1998 in Boston, Salla was one of three panelists who took part in the first American Political Science Association (APSA) discussion on negotiation of global violence and conflict.[3]

    From 1996 to 2004, he was an Assistant Professor/Researcher in Residence at the School of International Service at American University.[4][5] In 2003 he founded American University's Peace Ambassador Program, which, at that time, was described on American University's School of International Service website as a program that "combines study, meditative practices, and prayer ceremonies at selected Washington DC sites aimed at promoting individual self-empowerment and Divine Governance in Washington DC." [1]

    A feature article on his suggestion that a visit to the dentist by President Eisenhower in 1954 was actually a meeting with extraterrestrials was published in the Washington Post on February 19, 2004.[1] This created tension with the Center for Global Peace that did not wish to be publicly associated with his "new direction in research".[6] In April 2004, he participated at the X-Conference which led to more public prominence and further threatened his university position.[7] On May 13, 2004, Abdul Aziz Said, Director of American University's Center for Global Peace, sent a letter [8] of dismissal to Salla, citing unauthorized changes Salla had made to the Peace Ambassador Program as the primary reason for Salla's dismissal. The letter also stated that Salla's formal affiliation with American University would not be rescinded, but neither would it be renewed upon its expiration in August 2004.

    On April 7, 2005, Salla founded the Exopolitics Institute (ExoInst), a UFO research organization that is currently headquartered in Kealakekua, Hawaii. On June 4, 2006, Al Jazeera published an article discussing a letter Salla had sent them informing them about the possibility of alien intervention in order to prevent a nuclear attack on Iran by the United States of America.[9] From June 9–11, 2006, he assembled and took part in the Hawaii Conference on World Peace and Extraterrestrial Civilizations.[4][9]

    His current exopolitical interests have led him to assert that the undisclosed presence of extraterrestrials is one of the primary forces behind international conflict. He further states that the claims of various "whistleblowers" (informants) suggest that as many as sixteen different extraterrestrial civilizations are currently interacting with the human race while a number of other extraterrestrial races monitor Earth affairs, while avoiding contact. Most of his claims are derived from whistleblowers (informants) or 'experiencers' (individuals who claim to have contacted extraterrestrials) who, while arousing much debate in the UFO field, are alleged by Salla to be primary sources of reliable information. In conversation with the Washington Post, Salla pointed to evidence widely available on the internet as a source for his research on extraterrestrial visitation: "There's a lot of stuff on the Internet, and I just went around and pieced it together."[1

    ISBN 978-1-893302-56-3 Exopolitics: Political Implications of Extraterrestrial Presence. Dandelion Books (paperback, 2004)
    ISBN 978-0-275-97373-5 The Hero's Journey Toward a Second American Century. Praeger (hardcover, 2002)
    Reviewed in CHOICE: Current Reviews for Academic Libraries Sept 2002 v40 i1 p184(1) "Salla's work is a good choice for students of US foreign policy, US diplomatic history, and psychoanalysis." and: Reference & Research Book News Feb 2002 v17 p44 ISBN 978-0-313-29569-0 Why the Cold War Ended: A Range of Interpretations Westport (Greenwood) (hardcover, 1995)
    Reviewed in American Political Science Review June 1996 v90 n2 p471(1) "This is an interesting and valuable, albeit somewhat vexing, book." ISBN 978-0-908140-99-2 Essays on peace: Paradigms for global order. Central Queensland University Press (paperback, 1995)

    Safespace - Fastwalkers - Winter 2006

    Radio Interviews
    Exopolitics Radio - March 31, 2007
    Exopolitics Radio - March 17, 2007
    As You Wish - May 27, 2006
    Dolphinville Radio - September 2, 2004
    Jerry Pippin - April 15, 2004

    Awarded a US$150,000 research grant by the Ford Foundation to organize a conflict resolution workshop for East Timor (1999)
    Selected as panelist for United States Institute of Peace Solicited Grants Panel (February 1999)
    Awarded two grants by the United States Institute of Peace for conflict resolution workshops on the East Timor conflict (1998 & 1987)
    Selected for United States Institute of Peace Faculty and College Seminar (July 1997)
    Promoted from Lecturer (level A) to Lecturer (level B), Faculty of Arts, Australian National University (1996)
    Associate of the Centre for Middle Eastern and Central Asian Studies (1994–1996)
    Australian Postgraduate Research Award (1991–1992)

    Michael Salla elaborated in the area of exopolitics. The concept of "exo-politics", i.e., political relations within the scope of the universe, was discussed as early as in 1977 by Timothy Leary. [10]

    Salla authored a book on exopolitics in which he claims that a 1954 dentist appointment by U.S. President Dwight D. Eisenhower was a cover for a secret meeting with extraterrestrials.[11] Salla claims that President Eisenhower "met with two ETs with white hair, pale blue eyes and colorless lips," referred to by alien enthusiasts as "Nordics." He told the Washington Post that "The "Nordics" offered to share their superior technology and their spiritual wisdom with Ike if he would agree to eliminate America's nuclear weapons." Salla says the President declined the offer.[11] He also told the newspaper that President Eisenhower had agreed with another race of aliens that they could take livestock and humans with them for the purposes of experiments. He estimated that those aliens had taken "millions" of humans.

    Salla admitted to the Washington Post that the evidence supporting his claims about the existence of aliens was found by him "on the internet." [11]

    Advocates for exopolitics and the idea that extraterrestrials exist and have visited Earth have speculated about establishing relations with extraterrestrials and taking advantage of their presumed knowledge of sustainable energy sources and other matters of global importance.[12] Former Canadian Defence Minister Paul Hellyer joined three fringe groups in urging the Canadian parliament to hold public hearings on exopolitics in 2005.[13]

    The fifth X-Conference event was attended by 400 people at a hotel's banquet hall in suburban Maryland.[14] Its attendees included 2008 Utah Congressional Candidate Joseph Buchman, hypnotherapist Rebecca Hardcastle, Terri Donovan Mansfield, Alfred Webre, Apollo 14 astronaut Edgar Mitchell, US Air Force pilot Milton Tores and Salla himself. The conference included lectures on document disclosure, discussions of black budgets and quantum cosmology, and the sale of books such as Exopolitics: How Does One Speak to a Ball of Light?.[14] Advocates of exopolitics want mankind to deal with "rule of law in outer space, the sharing of technology between civilisations, and the physics of one-on-one interaction with ETs".[14] According to proponents, "exoconsciousness" is the process of reframing the mind for interstellar relations and interdimensional experiences.[15] An exopolitics conference was also held in June 2009 in Leeds with the Starchild skull featured as its star attraction.[16]

    1.^ a b c d e Carlson, Peter (February 19, 2004). "Ike and the Alien Ambassadors". Washington Post. Retrieved 2007-03-30.
    2.^ Salla, Michael. "Private Peacemaking USIP-Assisted Peacemaking Projects of Nonprofit Organizations". United States Institute of Peace. Archived from the original on 2007-03-19. Retrieved 2007-03-30.
    3.^ "U.S. Institute of Peace Peace Watch Online - October 1998 issue". United States Institute of Peace. Archived from the original on 2007-03-19. Retrieved 2007-03-30.
    4.^ a b "Bio". Coast to Coast AM. Retrieved 2007-03-31.
    5.^ Kamen, Al (June 9, 2006). "A Capital Start for Interior Secretary". Washington Post. Retrieved 2007-04-02.
    6.^ Salla, Michael (August 4, 2004). "TIME LINE OF CORRESPONDENCE & EVENTS". Exopolitics. Retrieved 2007-03-31.
    7.^ "X-Conference 2005 Press Release" (Press release). Paradigm Research Group. February 3, 2005.
    8.^ Said, Abdul Aziz (May 13, 2004). "PA-Termination-Letter" (PDF). American University, official correspondence. Retrieved 2007-03-31.
    9.^ a b El Amraoui, Ahmed (June 4, 2006). "US-Iran: The truth is way out there". Al Jazeera. Retrieved 2007-04-02.
    10.^ Timothy Leary, "Changing my mind, among others: lifetime writings", a collection of eassays, Prentice-Hall, 1982, ISBN 0-13-127829-0
    11.^ a b c Ike and the Alien Ambassadors: The Whole Tooth About the President's Extraterrestrial Encounter by Peter Carlson February 19, 2004 Washington Post Page C01
    12.^ Ex-defence minister joins search for aliens, A new group is pushing for full disclosure about extra-terrestrials, and they've enlisted a former Canadian cabinet minister to help make their case by Joanna Smith Oct 27, 2007 Toronto Star http://www.thestar.com/article/270984
    13.^ Former defense chief urges UFO hearings December 6, 2005 Vermont Guardian http://www.vermontguardian.com/dailies/122005/1206.shtml
    14.^ a b c Dan Zak Politics goes galactic at gathering of UFO believers Thursday, April 23, 2009 Irish Times
    15.^ Zak, Dan, Washington Post, April 20, 2009, The Exo Files: Cosmic Politics? To Believers, No Idea Is Alien, April 21, 2009.
    16.^ Aisha Iqbal 'Alien skull' star attraction at Leeds extra-terrestrial conference 27 June 2009 Yorkshire Evening Post

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