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"The 'temple' entry movement of Mahatma Gandhi is another attempt to deliver people in general from spiritual degradation and by such movement the mass of people can be saved from gliding down to the lowest status of
demoniac life..." (article excertp 1956)
we know the corrupt gov in india very well . also we know the sustainable communities where came from...
demoniac life..." (article excertp 1956)
we know the corrupt gov in india very well . also we know the sustainable communities where came from...
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more about the inspiring leader Mahatma Gandhi...
On The Principles Of Gandhi
http://prabhupadabooks.com/?g=176601
On The Principles Of Gandhi
http://prabhupadabooks.com/?g=176601
Saintly politicians of the modern age like Mahatma Gandhi and others, inspired by the teachings of Bhagavad-gītā, although imperfectly, have tried to lead such demoniac politicians of demoniac principles as they may be influenced by the teachings of Bhagavad-gītā. Mahatma Gandhi's movement in the political field, such as non-violence, peaceful non-cooperation, truthfulness, sacrifice, etc., are some brilliant examples for subduing the demoniac tendency of the people in general. Such examples in the life of Mahatma Gandhi made him well recognized all over the world, in spite of their being temporary measures, and it may be safely concluded that Mahatma Gandhi's success in such movements was solely and wholly dependant on the inspiration of the Bhagavad-gītā.
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This thread should be preserved for A.C. Bhagtivedanta Sri Prabhupada wisdom only. thanks
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A Less-Than-Doggish Civilization
The following conversation between His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada and some of his disciples took place in July 1975 on an early-morning walk in San Francisco.
Devotee: Srila Prabhupada, one of the scientists who invented the hydrogen bomb was lamenting recently that young people are not so interested in science anymore.
Srila Prabhupada: Yes. The scientists cannot solve the problems of birth and death. So the young people are becoming saner. "What is the use of wasting our time in this way?" they think. "Science cannot solve any real problems." That is good sense. Is this professor still alive?
Devotee: Yes, he's still living.
Srila Prabhupada: So ask him to invent some bomb that will prevent death. Tell him, "People are already dying, and you have invented something to make them die wholesale. Now invent something that people can take so they'll never have to die. Can you do that? No? Then we are no longer interested in your science."
Go to this professor and tell him, "You are regretting that we young men are no longer interested in science. This is the reason: Since when we die everything will be finished, what is the use of studying your science? You have not improved anything. The animals are taking birth and dying, and we are also taking birth and dying. What is the essential difference? So your science is all false propaganda. We are no longer interested."
Devotee: In Los Angeles you said that in twenty-five years science will be finished.
Srila Prabhupada: Yes, it is already finished. Their so-called religion is also finished, and their so-called politics is also finished. Because they have finished with God, everything of theirs will soon be finished -- zero, only zero.
Devotee: The whole of human civilization, Srila Prabhupada?
Srila Prabhupada: Where is that civilization? The mother is killing the child in the womb. Is that civilization? Where is their civilization? It is a less-than-doggish civilization. Dogs will not kill their offspring. Nonsense rascals! They are encouraging the mother to kill the child in the womb, and they're claiming this is a civilization. They are less than dogs and cats. The dogs and cats try to protect their young. Do you know that? The cats carry their kittens from one place to another so that the male cat may not kill them. The tigers also give protection to their young.
Devotee: Even the rats do that.
Srila Prabhupada: Yes, a mother's affection for her child is natural. But now the so-called civilized mothers are killing their children. This is your civilization. And this is your religion, your science, your philosophy -- everything. This "civilization" is finished unless people take to Krishna consciousness.
[Pointing to pine cones on the ground] What are these?
Devotee: These are pine cones, Srila Prabhupada. They are the seeds of the pine tree.
Srila Prabhupada: Let's see the scientists produce one seed like that. Where is the scientist who can do that? Millions of living beings are born every second, yet they are trying for years together to manufacture one living being in the laboratory and take credit for creating life. What is their credit, even if they succeed? Already millions and trillions of living beings are being born every day. These scientists who try to create life are fools, and the people they are fooling are also fools.
Devotee: They say they can explain creation without God. They say everything has come from Mother Nature.
Srila Prabhupada: But without a father, can a woman give birth? Where is the father? Ask these rascal scientists this question.
Devotee: Sometimes they say that God is now dead.
Srila Prabhupada: But even if a man's father is dead, that does not mean the man has taken birth without a father. That you cannot say. The father may be dead -- that we'll discuss at a later date. But first you have to accept that a woman cannot give birth without a father. Who is that father?
Devotee: Nature has created everything on her own. Originally things began by some chance combination of atoms and molecules.
Srila Prabhupada: Anyone who says this creation began by chance is a rascal. Nothing takes place by chance. The answer is in the Bhagavad-gita, where Krishna says, bijam mam sarva-bhutanam: "I am the original seed of all existences." Challenge these rascals. They're cheating so many people.
Devotee: Now the scientists are studying the atom, Srila Prabhupada, and they agree --
Srila Prabhupada: First of all let us know what good they have actually done. They are proposing so much nonsense -- that nature is working independently, that human beings have descended from the apes -- but have they released us from the clutches of the material nature? Even if you accept that there is no God and that nature is supreme, you are still subordinate. You are not independent. This is also explained in the Bhagavad-gita [3.27]: "Everything is going on by the control of Krishna's material energy, but those who are fools and rascals think that they are independently doing everything." Why are you thinking you are independent? The material nature is pulling you by the ear: "Come here!" You cannot say, "I will not become an old man. I'll not die." You must become old and die. Even if you accept only the existence of nature but not God, you still must accept nature's authority. Where is your independence?
Devotee: That is why they're engaged in science -- to master nature.
Srila Prabhupada: That is foolishness. And we shall be misled by these rascals? They promise everything for the future. "Yes, in the future we'll do this. In the future we'll do that." Postdated check. "I'll give you a million-dollar check dated six months from now. Take it." Only the fool will be satisfied: "Now I am rich."
Devotee: So the check from the scientist returns stamped "Insufficient Funds."
Srila Prabhupada: Not "Insufficient Funds" -- "No Funds."
Devotee: Account closed.
source:
http://www.harekrishnablog.com/index.php/prabhupada-vani.html?start=102
The following conversation between His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada and some of his disciples took place in July 1975 on an early-morning walk in San Francisco.
Devotee: Srila Prabhupada, one of the scientists who invented the hydrogen bomb was lamenting recently that young people are not so interested in science anymore.
Srila Prabhupada: Yes. The scientists cannot solve the problems of birth and death. So the young people are becoming saner. "What is the use of wasting our time in this way?" they think. "Science cannot solve any real problems." That is good sense. Is this professor still alive?
Devotee: Yes, he's still living.
Srila Prabhupada: So ask him to invent some bomb that will prevent death. Tell him, "People are already dying, and you have invented something to make them die wholesale. Now invent something that people can take so they'll never have to die. Can you do that? No? Then we are no longer interested in your science."
Go to this professor and tell him, "You are regretting that we young men are no longer interested in science. This is the reason: Since when we die everything will be finished, what is the use of studying your science? You have not improved anything. The animals are taking birth and dying, and we are also taking birth and dying. What is the essential difference? So your science is all false propaganda. We are no longer interested."
Devotee: In Los Angeles you said that in twenty-five years science will be finished.Srila Prabhupada: Yes, it is already finished. Their so-called religion is also finished, and their so-called politics is also finished. Because they have finished with God, everything of theirs will soon be finished -- zero, only zero.
Devotee: The whole of human civilization, Srila Prabhupada?
Srila Prabhupada: Where is that civilization? The mother is killing the child in the womb. Is that civilization? Where is their civilization? It is a less-than-doggish civilization. Dogs will not kill their offspring. Nonsense rascals! They are encouraging the mother to kill the child in the womb, and they're claiming this is a civilization. They are less than dogs and cats. The dogs and cats try to protect their young. Do you know that? The cats carry their kittens from one place to another so that the male cat may not kill them. The tigers also give protection to their young.
Devotee: Even the rats do that.
Srila Prabhupada: Yes, a mother's affection for her child is natural. But now the so-called civilized mothers are killing their children. This is your civilization. And this is your religion, your science, your philosophy -- everything. This "civilization" is finished unless people take to Krishna consciousness.
[Pointing to pine cones on the ground] What are these?
Devotee: These are pine cones, Srila Prabhupada. They are the seeds of the pine tree.
Srila Prabhupada: Let's see the scientists produce one seed like that. Where is the scientist who can do that? Millions of living beings are born every second, yet they are trying for years together to manufacture one living being in the laboratory and take credit for creating life. What is their credit, even if they succeed? Already millions and trillions of living beings are being born every day. These scientists who try to create life are fools, and the people they are fooling are also fools.
Devotee: They say they can explain creation without God. They say everything has come from Mother Nature.
Srila Prabhupada: But without a father, can a woman give birth? Where is the father? Ask these rascal scientists this question.
Devotee: Sometimes they say that God is now dead.
Srila Prabhupada: But even if a man's father is dead, that does not mean the man has taken birth without a father. That you cannot say. The father may be dead -- that we'll discuss at a later date. But first you have to accept that a woman cannot give birth without a father. Who is that father?
Devotee: Nature has created everything on her own. Originally things began by some chance combination of atoms and molecules.
Srila Prabhupada: Anyone who says this creation began by chance is a rascal. Nothing takes place by chance. The answer is in the Bhagavad-gita, where Krishna says, bijam mam sarva-bhutanam: "I am the original seed of all existences." Challenge these rascals. They're cheating so many people.
Devotee: Now the scientists are studying the atom, Srila Prabhupada, and they agree --
Srila Prabhupada: First of all let us know what good they have actually done. They are proposing so much nonsense -- that nature is working independently, that human beings have descended from the apes -- but have they released us from the clutches of the material nature? Even if you accept that there is no God and that nature is supreme, you are still subordinate. You are not independent. This is also explained in the Bhagavad-gita [3.27]: "Everything is going on by the control of Krishna's material energy, but those who are fools and rascals think that they are independently doing everything." Why are you thinking you are independent? The material nature is pulling you by the ear: "Come here!" You cannot say, "I will not become an old man. I'll not die." You must become old and die. Even if you accept only the existence of nature but not God, you still must accept nature's authority. Where is your independence?
Devotee: That is why they're engaged in science -- to master nature.
Srila Prabhupada: That is foolishness. And we shall be misled by these rascals? They promise everything for the future. "Yes, in the future we'll do this. In the future we'll do that." Postdated check. "I'll give you a million-dollar check dated six months from now. Take it." Only the fool will be satisfied: "Now I am rich."
Devotee: So the check from the scientist returns stamped "Insufficient Funds."
Srila Prabhupada: Not "Insufficient Funds" -- "No Funds."
Devotee: Account closed.
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Freedom From Fear
by His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
by His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
Paris June 13, 1974
The key to fearlessness is to rise above material existence by connecting with the supreme controller.
The key to fearlessness is to rise above material existence by connecting with the supreme controller.
tasmad bharata sarvatma
bhagavan isvaro harih
srotavyah kirtitavyas ca
smartavyas cecchatabhayam
bhagavan isvaro harih
srotavyah kirtitavyas ca
smartavyas cecchatabhayam
"O descendant of Bharata, one who desires to be free from all miseries must hear about, glorify, and also remember the Personality of Godhead, who is the Supersoul, the controller, and the savior from all miseries." Srimad-Bhagavatam 2.1.5
Who does not want abhayam? Abhayam means fearlessness. Everyone wants it. Covered by material nature, we have four positions. One position is to be always fearful: "What will happen next?" Even a big man like President Nixon is fearful: "What will happen next?" So many charges are brought against him. Although he is in a very exalted position as the President of the USA, he is also always fearful. That is the result of being under the material nature. Can anyone say that he is not fearful? Is it possible? Then what to speak of us.
The next position is that we require to eat something. Then after eating comes rest, sleeping. Then after rest, sex indulgence.
In today's verse it is implied that one who desires fearlessness and does not make any arrangement to get out of fearfulness is not a human being. Human beings always take precaution to save themselves. Although it is natural to be fearful, human beings still try to save themselves from the causes of fearfulness. Therefore it is said, icchata abhayam. Abhayam means no fear. If anyone wants to be fearful no more, then for him the prescribed duty is given in this verse.
Pariksit Maharaja is addressed here as Bharata, which means "descendant of Maharaja Bharata." Pariksit Maharaja belonged to the dynasty of King Bharata, from whose name the word Bharatavarsa has come. This planet is called Bharatavarsa because it was ruled by King Bharata. At that time the world was ruled under the Aryan culture. Gradually, the original Aryan, or Vedic, culture was lost. You French people are also from the Aryan family, but the culture is lost now.
This Krsna consciousness movement is reviving the original Aryan culture. We are all inhabitants of Bharatavarsa, and therefore we should be within the Aryan culture. But over time the Aryan culture has been lost, and Bharatavarsa has become divided. Now it is divided into so many countries: "This is India,""This is France,""This is Germany,""This is this,""This is this." But formerly, the whole planet was known as Bharatavarsa. One culture: Vedic culture. One flag. Now they have increased hundreds and thousands of flags. If you want United Nations, unity, then you must take this culture, Krsna consciousness, and again become Bharata, followers of the Vedic culture. That will save the situation.
"One culture" means politically one flag; religiously one God, Krsna; to understand Krsna, one scripture, the Bhagavad-gita; and one work, simply to satisfy Krsna. That is oneness. And if you want at least to become free from all fearful conditions, then you should always remember whom? Sarvatma.
Sarvatma means the living force of everyone. He is called sarvatma. There is a living force. I have got a living force, you have got a living force everyone. But from where is the living force coming? From Krsna. Bijo 'ham sarva-bhutanam [Bhagavad-gita 7.10]. Krsna is the origin of the living force. He is the supreme living force. Mamaivamso . . . jiva-bhutah [Bhagavad-gita 15.7]. This is all stated in the Bhagavad-gita: "All these living entities are My parts and parcels." Just as a man with sons can claim, "They are all my sons," Krsna can claim, "All living entities are My sons." That is stated in the Bhagavad-gita (14.4):
sarva-yonisu kaunteya
murtayah sambhavanti yah
tasam brahma mahad yonir
aham bija-pradah pita
murtayah sambhavanti yah
tasam brahma mahad yonir
aham bija-pradah pita
Krsna says, "I am the seed-giving father of all living entities."Sarva-yonisu means in all the forms or species of life.
Vedas for Full Knowledge
This outward dress, the body, is different from the self. Someone has become ant, and someone has become an elephant or, bigger than that, a fish. There is a kind of fish called timingila. That perhaps we have not seen. Some have seen the whale. It is as big as a big house. The timingila can swallow a whale as you might swallow a small nut.
There are so many varieties of life. We do not know them all. But we know about them from the sastra, the scriptures. Therefore we should consult Vedic literature to have full knowledge. In the Vedic literature it is said, jalaja nava-laksani: "In the water there are 900,000 species of life." Now, who can deny it? If you deny, then I shall tell you, "Go and count." [Laughs.] But we can get full knowledge from the sastra. That is the quality of Vedic knowledge. Everything is complete.
Learn from the Vedic literature. All information is there. And all the Vedic literature is summarized in this Srimad-Bhagavatam. Nigama-kalpa-taror galitam phalam [Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.1.3]. The Vedic literature is compared to a desire tree. Every word used in the Vedic literature is peculiar to the ordinary man. The ordinary man has no experience of the desire tree. But there is a tree called the desire tree, kalpa-taru. What is the business of the desire tree? Whatever you desire you get from that tree. The desire tree is there in Krsna's loka, Krsna's abode. In the spiritual world there are trees, but each tree is a desire tree. You can get anything from that tree. The Vedas are considered a desire tree. That means that any kind of knowledge you want, either spiritual or material, is there completely and perfectly in the Vedas.
There is Dhanur-veda, Ayur-veda, Jyotir-veda. Veda means knowledge. So for military art, if you want to consult Vedic literature you will get complete information, perfect. Similarly, Jyotir-veda. Jyoti means the luminaries in the sky, the stars. You can get information about them in the Jyotir-veda. We are trying to go to the moon and wasting our time and energy, but if you consult the Vedas, you get full information of the moon, the sun, or any other planet. There are millions and trillions of planets. You can get information on planets up Brahmaloka, the topmost planet. And Ayur-veda. Ayuh means duration of life. Nobody wants to be diseased. So the medical science is given fully in the Ayur-veda.
The Father of Everyone
Because material life means we are all full of fear, in today's verse the Srimad-Bhagavatam is giving the prescription for becoming fearless: "Hear about, glorify, and also remember the Personality of Godhead, who is the Supersoul . . ." Krsna is sarvatma, the supreme father of everyone, of all living entities, in all forms. He says in the Bhagavad-gita, "I am the seed-giving father of all living entities." The father impregnates the mother by giving the seed. Similarly, this huge material cosmic manifestation is considered the mother, and the father is God, or Krsna, who impregnates her with the seed of the living entities. When there is creation, they come out as children of this material world. Just as a woman is impregnated and the child comes out, this material world is impregnated by the seed-giving father and the living entities come out.
Women cannot produce children automatically, without being impregnated. Similarly, to produce all the living entities in different forms of life, the seed-giving father is required, and that is God, Krsna. Is there any bad logic in that? There is confirmation in the sastra. Krsna says, aham bija-pradah pita: "I am the seed-giving father." [Bhagavad-gita 14.4] Is it possible to produce life without the father? Is it possible? Then why do the rascal scientists say, "Now we shall produce life"? How can you do it? It is not possible. This is rascaldom.
In the Christian world the Supreme Lord God is accepted as the supreme father. "O father, give us our daily bread." To accept the Supreme Lord, the supreme father, is very good. Everyone must accept Him. That is human life. That is human knowledge. That is common-sense knowledge: "If I am produced by my father, where have so many living entities come from? They have come from the supreme father." He is called sarvatma.
Struggle for Existence
Today's verse is about freedom from fearfulness or material existence. Material existence means the struggle for existence. Everyone has to struggle: "I want to stay." In your country there has been so much fighting, such as the French Revolution and so many fights between the Protestants and the Catholics. And your Napoleon Bonaparte fought. Fighting is called the struggle for existence. Everyone wants to exist, and so he has to fight. And if there is no fighting, at least we must fight with the winter season or the summer season. Without fighting, you cannot stay in this world. That is called the struggle for existence and survival of the fittest. You must be fit. That is the nature of life in the material world. And in the spiritual world there is no fight simply friendship, that's all. That is the spiritual world, which is called Vaikuntha. Kuntha means "anxiety," and vaikuntha means "without anxiety."
We have been put into this place of anxiety on account of our rebellion against God. That is the cause of all material existence. We should know this. Why are we put into this condition of fearfulness, anxiety, and always struggling for existence? We don't want it. When this inquiry comes, then one is a human being. As long as this "Why?" does not come, one is an animal. The animal does not ask, "Why am I put into the slaughterhouse? Why have I been brought here to be slaughtered?" Similarly, a human being is like an animal if he does not understand, "I have been put into this material world for being slaughtered by the laws of material nature. Never mind whether I am Napoleon or an ordinary man, I will be slaughtered."
This world is called martya-loka, "the universe of being slaughtered." Nobody wants to be slaughtered. The animal does not want to be slaughtered, but by force it is slaughtered. Similarly, nobody wants death, but we are forced. Even such a big man as Napoleon he wanted to complete that arch, but he was slaughtered before his desire was fulfilled. That is material nature. You must be slaughtered before your desire is fulfilled. That is material nature. You must be slaughtered as soon as required.
Therefore it is said here, icchata abhayam: "Anyone who wants fearlessness, who wants to be saved from being slaughtered, must do this." What is that? One must hear about, glorify, and remember sarvatma bhagavan isvarah, "the Supreme Lord, the origin of all living entities, Bhagavan."
Bhagavan and iSvara
Bhagavan means "all-powerful" and "possessor of all-opulences." Bhagavan can do anything and everything. He is not like the imitation rascals who claim "I am God" but cannot do anything. He is not that kind of Bhagavan. Bhagavan means all-powerful. Whatever He likes, He can do. sad-aisvarya-purna, full of six opulences. That is Bhagavan.
aisvaryasya samagrasya
viryasya yasasahsriyah
jnana-vairagyayos caiva
sannam bhaga itingana
viryasya yasasahsriyah
jnana-vairagyayos caiva
sannam bhaga itingana
[Visnu Purana 6.5.47]
This is the definition of Bhagavan. Everything has a definition. Nothing should be accepted blindly. First mentioned is aisvaryasya, wealth. Bhagavan means the person who has the complete riches. Now, I have some money, you have some money, he has some money, but nobody can claim, "I have all the money." No, that is not possible. One who possesses all the money is Bhagavan. And He possesses all strength, beauty, intelligence, fame, and renunciation.
You can find some very big rich man in this material world, but you cannot say that he is the supreme richest man. That is not possible. You will find another man richer than him. And then you will find someone richer than that man. In this way, by research, when you actually come to the richest person, He is Bhagavan. He is God.
If you have the energy you can search for such a person, and He is Bhagavan. It is not difficult. The definition of God is there in sastra. But here in the material world, there is competition for His position. God is known not only as Bhagavan but also as isvara, "controller." Everyone is isvara. I am controlling this institution. Somebody is controlling his office, his factory, his kingdom. President Nixon is controlling the United States. So all of us, more or less, are isvara, controllers. This mother is controlling the small child. So she is also isvara, because she is controlling.
God has given everyone a little controlling power. In that sense every one of us is isvara. But here it is said, bhagavan isvarah: "the supreme controller." We are controllers, but we are controlled by somebody else. But the Bhagavan Isvara is not controlled by anyone. That is Krsna. Isvarah paramah krsnah: "The supreme controller is Krsna." [Brahma-samhita 5.1].
We are being controlled. Foolishly we are thinking, "I am free." How can we be free? The biggest personality in this country, Napoleon Bonaparte, was not free. How can you be free? This is a misconception. Nobody can be free. Everyone is controlled.
But we rebel. "No, I don't want to.
I don't want to be controlled." But you will be controlled. For example, if you don't want to be controlled by the state laws, the state will force you into the prison to be controlled. This is our position. We cannot be free. Therefore freedom is not good for us. If a child is given freedom, he will simply create havoc. So he is not to be given freedom; he must be controlled. Similarly, all living entities, being children of God, must voluntarily put themselves under the control of God. That is the perfection of life. Don't try to be falsely free. That is not possible.
The mother will never give freedom to the child, because that is not good for him. Anyone who is weak must not be given freedom.
Similarly, we are weak. God is great. God is all-powerful. We are very tiny. We have no power. Therefore our normal life is to voluntarily accept the controlling power of God. That is human life. And God comes and He pleads, "My dear boy, why are you struggling here? You will never be happy."Sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekamsaranam vraja. [Bhagavad-gita 18.66] "You have manufactured so many plans to be happy, but you will never be happy. Therefore your only business is to come under My control, and then you will be happy."Aham tvam sarva-papebhyo moksayisyami masucah. [Bhagavad-gita 18.66] "I will give you all happiness."
That is the sum and substance of the Bhagavad-gita. And when anyone agrees to be controlled, then success of life begins from that point. Unfortunately, at the present moment the whole world population has been taught in such a way that they do not want to be controlled. Therefore there is always a chaotic condition.
Read These Books
Here is the solution: If you want to be saved from the chaotic condition of life, if you want to be free from all anxieties, then your business is srotavyah: "Hear about the supreme controller, Krsna." And for hearing about the supreme controller, we have got eighty books. Not one, two, three, four eighty books. If you are actually intelligent, if you are actually a scientist, if you are actually philosopher, read these books. That is called srotavyah: Hear about the supreme controller. Not simply, "God is there." Just try to understand how God is there. That you will find in this literature. There is no other literature like it throughout the world.
And after you hear from this literature, spread this knowledge. Kirtitavyah: "My dear sir, there is God. God is like this. I have heard from the authority." That is called kirtitavyas ca, preaching. First of all hearing. Without hearing, how will you preach? And smartavyah. As soon as you become an expert hearer and an expert chanter, you will remember always. And as soon as you always remember Krsna, there is no more fear. Finished. That is life.
Thank you very much.
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Quote: Similarly, we are weak. God is great. God is all-powerful. We are very tiny. We have no power. Therefore our normal life is to voluntarily accept the controlling power of God. That is human life. And God comes and He pleads, "My dear boy, why are you struggling here? You will never be happy."Sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekamsaranam vraja. [Bhagavad-gita 18.66] "You have manufactured so many plans to be happy, but you will never be happy. Therefore your only business is to come under My control, and then you will be happy."Aham tvam sarva-papebhyo moksayisyami masucah. [Bhagavad-gita 18.66] "I will give you all happiness."
This quote sent Shivas down my spine.. errrrrrrrr
This quote sent Shivas down my spine.. errrrrrrrr
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This quote sent Shivas down my spine.. errrrrrrrr
this Paradox reminds me a story....
Fish, do you know what is water?
No, what is it?, Show me!
.................
maybe only when a fish is taken out of water can see the water? hmmm
the article title you read was Freedom From Fear
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Nature, the Enjoyer, and Consciousness
Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 13.1-2-3
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Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 13.1-2-3
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nice article about false ego in this material world.
The Barking Dog of the False Ego
source
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-fici/the-barking-dog-of-the-fa_b_1603914.html?utm_hp_ref=religion
Our ego is one of the most intimidating and inscrutable realities we face in our lives. Countless philosophers, spiritualists, seekers and armchair prognosticators have tried to define its parameters and its meaning to our existence. We even have wonderful teachers -- like my friends at Gita Sutras -- attempting to actualize and excavate the nature of our ego for our most positive spiritual benefit.
Some would also rather do away with the whole idea of the ego altogether, but according to the teachings of the bhakti-yoga tradition, that is not possible. The Bhagavad-gita and countless other wisdom teachings of the bhakti tradition teach us that we are eternally individual spirit souls, currently going through a materialistic bodily experience. We always have an ego, or existence as a unique, individual being, but what we have to watch out for is our "false ego."
<p>One of my teachers has explained the concept like this: We have two dogs in our heart. One is our actual ego, our reality as spirit soul, and one is the false ego, or our false identification with our temporary material body. Both dogs are barking to get our attention, and whichever one we pay attention to the most, or feed the most, becomes dominant in our consciousness. Or, as the Cherokee proverb says:
<BLOCKQUOTE>There is a battle of two wolves inside us all.
One is evil. It is anger, jealousy, greed, resentment, lies, inferiority, and ego.
The other is good. It is joy, peace, love, hope, humility, kindness, empathy, and truth.
The wolf that wins? The one you feed.</BLOCKQUOTE>
Our false ego disguises itself as our best friend, when it is actually our greatest adversary in our spiritual journey. It is the voice in our consciousness which makes us think we must be the center of the universe, the repose of all prestige, and when we don't get these accolades we react with all the violence of our envious, prideful, and greedy outbursts, ruining our relationships, communities, and hopes in our own search for the Divine.
At its essence, the false ego creates for us suffering, and according to the wisdom of the bhakti tradition, that is completely antithetical to our natural sense of being. As spirit souls, our substance is made of eternality (sat), knowledge (cit), and bliss (ananda), which is also the very same substance as God. Perhaps the greatest form of ananda we can experience is our direct loving relationship with God through His grace and mercy. How we gain access to this is defined by our practical understanding of our own ego-nature.
<p>As Krishna says in the Bhagavad-gita:
<BLOCKQUOTE>If you become conscious of Me, you will pass over all the obstacles of conditioned life by My grace. If, however, you do not work in such consciousness but act through false ego, not hearing Me, you will be lost. (Chapter 18, Verse 58)</BLOCKQUOTE>
Vedic scholar Bhurijana Dasa also explains the concept of the false ego very clearly in Surrender Unto Me, his commentary on the Gita:
<BLOCKQUOTE>The false ego ... which is like a reflection of our true consciousness within matter, is the covering over the soul first supplied by material nature and is the juncture between our spiritual identity and our material existence. Any ego-identity in which we imagine ourselves the central figure is acceptable to our perverse consciousness.
Thus the soul, constitutionally Krsna's eternal servant -- full of bliss, knowledge, and eternity -- becomes attracted to the material atmosphere and conditioned by it. He is then strictly controlled by the modes of material nature and experiences the self as if it were made of temporary matter.
</BLOCKQUOTE>
The juncture between our false ego and real ego is the juncture between how selfish and selfless we are in our everyday lives, both materially and spiritually. One way to see this is in relation to how we react to people's suffering. When someone suffers, do we feed the dog of our false ego by taking pleasure at their suffering, especially if it is relation to some competitive aspect of our lives, like our career, or do we feed the dog of our true ego by taking their suffering into our own heart, and feeling it as if we were the one suffering. Do we respond with compassion or contempt? Do we step on them further or do we do what we humbly can to uplift them?
Gaining access to our real sense of ego means doing all we can to develop our selfless spiritual character. This is actually our natural self, yet to be selfless in this dog-eat-dog world seems so unnatural, because we choose to absorb ourselves in the schemes of our false ego. This is why spiritual life is such a serious endeavor. We must have an everyday practice, whether it is the chanting of God's names, reading of holy scriptures, and service to our community and the less-fortunate, to help us excavate what is most dear and intimate to us, our real spiritual self.
Every moment of every day we are making a choice which dog to feed. Our spirituality begins and ends with our consciousness, so let us try to become more conscious of the very sense of self and identity we are developing in our lives together.
The Barking Dog of the False Ego
source
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-fici/the-barking-dog-of-the-fa_b_1603914.html?utm_hp_ref=religion
Our ego is one of the most intimidating and inscrutable realities we face in our lives. Countless philosophers, spiritualists, seekers and armchair prognosticators have tried to define its parameters and its meaning to our existence. We even have wonderful teachers -- like my friends at Gita Sutras -- attempting to actualize and excavate the nature of our ego for our most positive spiritual benefit.
Some would also rather do away with the whole idea of the ego altogether, but according to the teachings of the bhakti-yoga tradition, that is not possible. The Bhagavad-gita and countless other wisdom teachings of the bhakti tradition teach us that we are eternally individual spirit souls, currently going through a materialistic bodily experience. We always have an ego, or existence as a unique, individual being, but what we have to watch out for is our "false ego."
<p>One of my teachers has explained the concept like this: We have two dogs in our heart. One is our actual ego, our reality as spirit soul, and one is the false ego, or our false identification with our temporary material body. Both dogs are barking to get our attention, and whichever one we pay attention to the most, or feed the most, becomes dominant in our consciousness. Or, as the Cherokee proverb says:
<BLOCKQUOTE>There is a battle of two wolves inside us all.
One is evil. It is anger, jealousy, greed, resentment, lies, inferiority, and ego.
The other is good. It is joy, peace, love, hope, humility, kindness, empathy, and truth.
The wolf that wins? The one you feed.</BLOCKQUOTE>
Our false ego disguises itself as our best friend, when it is actually our greatest adversary in our spiritual journey. It is the voice in our consciousness which makes us think we must be the center of the universe, the repose of all prestige, and when we don't get these accolades we react with all the violence of our envious, prideful, and greedy outbursts, ruining our relationships, communities, and hopes in our own search for the Divine.
At its essence, the false ego creates for us suffering, and according to the wisdom of the bhakti tradition, that is completely antithetical to our natural sense of being. As spirit souls, our substance is made of eternality (sat), knowledge (cit), and bliss (ananda), which is also the very same substance as God. Perhaps the greatest form of ananda we can experience is our direct loving relationship with God through His grace and mercy. How we gain access to this is defined by our practical understanding of our own ego-nature.
<p>As Krishna says in the Bhagavad-gita:
<BLOCKQUOTE>If you become conscious of Me, you will pass over all the obstacles of conditioned life by My grace. If, however, you do not work in such consciousness but act through false ego, not hearing Me, you will be lost. (Chapter 18, Verse 58)</BLOCKQUOTE>
Vedic scholar Bhurijana Dasa also explains the concept of the false ego very clearly in Surrender Unto Me, his commentary on the Gita:
<BLOCKQUOTE>The false ego ... which is like a reflection of our true consciousness within matter, is the covering over the soul first supplied by material nature and is the juncture between our spiritual identity and our material existence. Any ego-identity in which we imagine ourselves the central figure is acceptable to our perverse consciousness.
Thus the soul, constitutionally Krsna's eternal servant -- full of bliss, knowledge, and eternity -- becomes attracted to the material atmosphere and conditioned by it. He is then strictly controlled by the modes of material nature and experiences the self as if it were made of temporary matter.
</BLOCKQUOTE>
The juncture between our false ego and real ego is the juncture between how selfish and selfless we are in our everyday lives, both materially and spiritually. One way to see this is in relation to how we react to people's suffering. When someone suffers, do we feed the dog of our false ego by taking pleasure at their suffering, especially if it is relation to some competitive aspect of our lives, like our career, or do we feed the dog of our true ego by taking their suffering into our own heart, and feeling it as if we were the one suffering. Do we respond with compassion or contempt? Do we step on them further or do we do what we humbly can to uplift them?
Gaining access to our real sense of ego means doing all we can to develop our selfless spiritual character. This is actually our natural self, yet to be selfless in this dog-eat-dog world seems so unnatural, because we choose to absorb ourselves in the schemes of our false ego. This is why spiritual life is such a serious endeavor. We must have an everyday practice, whether it is the chanting of God's names, reading of holy scriptures, and service to our community and the less-fortunate, to help us excavate what is most dear and intimate to us, our real spiritual self.
Every moment of every day we are making a choice which dog to feed. Our spirituality begins and ends with our consciousness, so let us try to become more conscious of the very sense of self and identity we are developing in our lives together.
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It Makes No Difference What Rascals Believe
This is a continuation of a conversation that took place between His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada and some of his disciples at New Vrindaban, ISKCON's farming village in West Virginia, on June 24, 1976.
Srila Prabhupada: So a child may not believe he will get the body of a young man. He may not know that in the future, he will have to accept another life. But can his ignorance alter the fact? He may believe or not. It makes no difference.
And similarly, if modern rascals say, "I don't believe in a next life I don't believe I'll have a next life," their ignorance does not alter the fact. Rascals, madmen, may talk like this, but the fact the law of nature remains. Karanam guna-sango 'sya:
According to the way you act, according to the modes of nature in which you become enmeshed, you will receive a suitable body in your next life. The real fact is, these rascals will have to accept a body just suitable to their spiritual development, or lack of spiritual development. What they believe or do not believe makes no difference.
Disciple: But what if they object, "You want us to pull back from our industrial civilization so that we can spend more time preparing for our next life. But farm-and-village civilization might be too difficult for us. We'd rather go to the factory for eight hours and then come home and enjoy life."
Srila Prabhupada: No, you can enjoy life, just as we are. We are eating and sleeping and so forth; everyone does that in any event. But if you enjoy life in such a way that you forget your real, spiritual business in life, is that intelligent? Your real business, now that you have received this human form, is to improve your next life regain your original, spiritual form, back home in the spiritual world.
Anyway, you are going to have a next life. Now, suppose that by your present actions, in your next life you have to accept the form of a dog. Is that success? So you must learn the real science: How, instead of becoming an associate of dogs, you can become an associate of God. That is intelligence. That is success.
Disciple: But in this present life, why is it better, for instance, if we get our lighting by growing castor seed? What if we think we'd rather get our lighting by drilling for oil? Why is growing castor seed better than drilling for oil?
Srila Prabhupada: You require lighting of some kind. All right. So you finish that lighting business as simply and quickly as possible. In the rest of your time, the time you have saved, you pursue and perfect your self-realization. You learn about your soul and your relationship with the Supreme Soul. That is the ideal life.
Take this child. He simply wants to play not to become educated and cultured. He just wants to make some improvements on his toys or his ball-playing. It that very good intelligence?
Disciple: No, from the standpoint of education, he's pretty much wasting time. But talking about wasting time people on farms work some awfully long hours.
Srila Prabhupada: Not on small family farms, say four acres or thereabouts. In the spring you work a month and a half or two months for planting, and in the fall perhaps a month and a half or two for harvesting. If you think improving your electrical arrangements is better than living the simple life, we have no objection. But if you forget your real, spiritual business, is that intelligent?
Disciple: It wouldn't be, no.
Srila Prabhupada: That is our proposal. Your real business in life is how to become God conscious, Krsna conscious. If simply for improving your material condition you forget your real, spiritual business, is that intelligence?
So this modern, so-called intelligence is known as duskrti. Krti means "resourcefulness." But dus means "sinful, harmful activities." You are utilizing your resourcefulness for harmful activities.
Take, for example, these modern flesh-eaters. Now, when uncivilized men living in the jungle need to eat something, they shoot arrows or throw spears at some poor animal. And the animal dies and then they eat his flesh. These modern flesh-eaters, though, instead of killing the animal by throwing a spear, have devised slaughterhouses with sophisticated machinery to kill the animal.
You may think this is an improvement. "Now we use our sophisticated machinery instead of throwing a spear. The old-fashioned method takes so much time. But now we can kill many, many animals per hour." This is your improvement?
Just consider what fools and rascals people have become. They believe their slaughterhouses are an improvement, a milestone of civilization. "When we were uncivilized, we were spearing some animal and eating his flesh. But now, although we are doing the same thing killing some poor animal and eating his flesh we have improved our technique for killing." This is going on as "advancement of civilization." Do you think this is advancement of civilization?
Now that you are living the simple life on this farm now, at last, you are civilized. For instance, instead of killing the cow, you just take her milk no killing and then you make butter and yogurt and whipped cream and buttermilk and fried curd, all sorts of delicious preparations. This is civilization.
But killing is sinful. You have no right to kill any creature even an ant because you cannot give that creature back his life. So killing is against the law of nature, the law of God.
In the scriptures the Lord warns us, "Killing is an infringement on nature's law, My law. Killing innocent creatures is the most sinful activity. If you use your human resourcefulness to perform this most sinful activity, then you must suffer in your next life."
Disciple: But we modern men don't believe our slaughterhouses are sinful.
Srila Prabhupada: These nonsensical statements "We believe …" "We don't believe …" If you are breaking God's most basic law "Thou shalt not kill" then you are a rascal. So what difference does it make, what you believe or don't believe? You are, after all, a rascal.
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Bhagafad-Gita as it is verse 7.4
http://vedabase.net/bg/7/4/
Earth, water, fire, air, ether, mind, intelligence and false ego — all together these eight constitute My separated material energies.
PURPORT
The science of God analyzes the constitutional position of God and His diverse energies. Material nature is called prakṛti, or the energy of the Lord in His different puruṣa incarnations (expansions) as described in the Sātvata-tantra:
viṣṇos tu trīṇi rūpāṇi
puruṣākhyāny atho viduḥ
ekaḿ tu mahataḥ sraṣṭṛ
dvitīyaḿ tv aṇḍa-saḿsthitam
tṛtīyaḿ sarva-bhūta-sthaḿ
tāni jñātvā vimucyate
"For material creation, Lord Kṛṣṇa's plenary expansion assumes three Viṣṇus. The first one, Mahā-Viṣṇu, creates the total material energy, known as the mahat-tattva. The second, Garbhodakaśāyī Viṣṇu, enters into all the universes to create diversities in each of them. The third, Kṣīrodakaśāyī Viṣṇu, is diffused as the all-pervading Supersoul in all the universes and is known as Paramātmā. He is present even within the atoms. Anyone who knows these three Viṣṇus can be liberated from material entanglement."
This material world is a temporary manifestation of one of the energies of the Lord. All the activities of the material world are directed by these three Viṣṇu expansions of Lord Kṛṣṇa. These puruṣas are called incarnations. Generally one who does not know the science of God (Kṛṣṇa) assumes that this material world is for the enjoyment of the living entities and that the living entities are the puruṣas — the causes, controllers and enjoyers of the material energy. According to Bhagavad-gītā this atheistic conclusion is false. In the verse under discussion it is stated that Kṛṣṇa is the original cause of the material manifestation. Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam also confirms this. The ingredients of the material manifestation are separated energies of the Lord. Even the brahmajyoti, which is the ultimate goal of the impersonalists, is a spiritual energy manifested in the spiritual sky. There are no spiritual diversities in the brahmajyoti as there are in the Vaikuṇṭhalokas, and the impersonalist accepts this brahmajyoti as the ultimate eternal goal. The Paramātmā manifestation is also a temporary all-pervasive aspect of the Kṣīrodakaśāyī Viṣṇu. The Paramātmā manifestation is not eternal in the spiritual world. Therefore the factual Absolute Truth is the Supreme Personality of Godhead Kṛṣṇa. He is the complete energetic person, and He possesses different separated and internal energies.
In the material energy, the principal manifestations are eight, as above mentioned. Out of these, the first five manifestations, namely earth, water, fire, air and sky, are called the five gigantic creations or the gross creations, within which the five sense objects are included. They are the manifestations of physical sound, touch, form, taste and smell. Material science comprises these ten items and nothing more. But the other three items, namely mind, intelligence and false ego, are neglected by the materialists. Philosophers who deal with mental activities are also not perfect in knowledge because they do not know the ultimate source, Kṛṣṇa. The false ego — "I am," and "It is mine, which constitute the basic principle of material existence — includes ten sense organs for material activities. Intelligence refers to the total material creation, called the mahat-tattva. Therefore from the eight separated energies of the Lord are manifest the twenty-four elements of the material world, which are the subject matter of Sāńkhya atheistic philosophy; they are originally offshoots from Kṛṣṇa's energies and are separated from Him, but atheistic Sāńkhya philosophers with a poor fund of knowledge do not know Kṛṣṇa as the cause of all causes. The subject matter for discussion in the Sāńkhya philosophy is only the manifestation of the external energy of Kṛṣṇa, as it is described in the Bhagavad-gītā.
http://vedabase.net/bg/7/4/
Earth, water, fire, air, ether, mind, intelligence and false ego — all together these eight constitute My separated material energies.
PURPORT
The science of God analyzes the constitutional position of God and His diverse energies. Material nature is called prakṛti, or the energy of the Lord in His different puruṣa incarnations (expansions) as described in the Sātvata-tantra:
viṣṇos tu trīṇi rūpāṇi
puruṣākhyāny atho viduḥ
ekaḿ tu mahataḥ sraṣṭṛ
dvitīyaḿ tv aṇḍa-saḿsthitam
tṛtīyaḿ sarva-bhūta-sthaḿ
tāni jñātvā vimucyate
"For material creation, Lord Kṛṣṇa's plenary expansion assumes three Viṣṇus. The first one, Mahā-Viṣṇu, creates the total material energy, known as the mahat-tattva. The second, Garbhodakaśāyī Viṣṇu, enters into all the universes to create diversities in each of them. The third, Kṣīrodakaśāyī Viṣṇu, is diffused as the all-pervading Supersoul in all the universes and is known as Paramātmā. He is present even within the atoms. Anyone who knows these three Viṣṇus can be liberated from material entanglement."
This material world is a temporary manifestation of one of the energies of the Lord. All the activities of the material world are directed by these three Viṣṇu expansions of Lord Kṛṣṇa. These puruṣas are called incarnations. Generally one who does not know the science of God (Kṛṣṇa) assumes that this material world is for the enjoyment of the living entities and that the living entities are the puruṣas — the causes, controllers and enjoyers of the material energy. According to Bhagavad-gītā this atheistic conclusion is false. In the verse under discussion it is stated that Kṛṣṇa is the original cause of the material manifestation. Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam also confirms this. The ingredients of the material manifestation are separated energies of the Lord. Even the brahmajyoti, which is the ultimate goal of the impersonalists, is a spiritual energy manifested in the spiritual sky. There are no spiritual diversities in the brahmajyoti as there are in the Vaikuṇṭhalokas, and the impersonalist accepts this brahmajyoti as the ultimate eternal goal. The Paramātmā manifestation is also a temporary all-pervasive aspect of the Kṣīrodakaśāyī Viṣṇu. The Paramātmā manifestation is not eternal in the spiritual world. Therefore the factual Absolute Truth is the Supreme Personality of Godhead Kṛṣṇa. He is the complete energetic person, and He possesses different separated and internal energies.
In the material energy, the principal manifestations are eight, as above mentioned. Out of these, the first five manifestations, namely earth, water, fire, air and sky, are called the five gigantic creations or the gross creations, within which the five sense objects are included. They are the manifestations of physical sound, touch, form, taste and smell. Material science comprises these ten items and nothing more. But the other three items, namely mind, intelligence and false ego, are neglected by the materialists. Philosophers who deal with mental activities are also not perfect in knowledge because they do not know the ultimate source, Kṛṣṇa. The false ego — "I am," and "It is mine, which constitute the basic principle of material existence — includes ten sense organs for material activities. Intelligence refers to the total material creation, called the mahat-tattva. Therefore from the eight separated energies of the Lord are manifest the twenty-four elements of the material world, which are the subject matter of Sāńkhya atheistic philosophy; they are originally offshoots from Kṛṣṇa's energies and are separated from Him, but atheistic Sāńkhya philosophers with a poor fund of knowledge do not know Kṛṣṇa as the cause of all causes. The subject matter for discussion in the Sāńkhya philosophy is only the manifestation of the external energy of Kṛṣṇa, as it is described in the Bhagavad-gītā.
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i am feeling your humble devkid trying to avoid those usual mistakes and teleport you to the kalkiteam for further scruiteny...
In bhaktimood gauranitai
i am feeling your humble devkid trying to avoid those usual mistakes and teleport you to the kalkiteam for further scruiteny...
In bhaktimood gauranitai
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hari bol eartheart!
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Swami Sri Prabhupada: But they must do something, not sit idly, for an idle brain is the devil's workshop.
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Free will is no different.
It does exist and comes in measuresas given by the Lord.
If He does not wish to give us free will and freedom to exercise it,
there is no possibility of we having it.
Swedish man(3): Is there free will?
Prabhupäda: Yes, yes. Just like you are sitting here. If you don’t like,
you can go away. That’s your free will. There is free will. Free will exists, but how much?
–Only as much as the Lord wants us to have. The conversation
between Çréla Prabhupäda and Çyämasundara prabhu is worth reading:
Çyämasundara: Does the hydrogen molecule have an independent desire?
Prabhupäda: No, but within the hydrogen atom, there is Krishna; therefore it is combining.
Not this hydrogen atom as matter is combining,
but because Krishna is within that hydrogen atom existing. He knows that by combination this
thing will come about, that will come out, that will come out...
Çyämasundara: But the individual
soul has a little independence to choose?
Prabhupäda: No, no.
Çyämasundara: Has no independence?
Prabhupäda: No. The individual soul does not. In Bhagavad-gétait says that a numantä, individual soul,
wants to do something and Krishna gives orders. Man proposes and Godd is poses.
Çyämasundara: So we have no free will?
Prabhupäda: No. Without sanction of Krishna we cannot do anything.
Therefore He is the ultimate cause.
Çyämasundara: But I thought you had been saying that we have a little independence.
Prabhupäda: That independence that Krishna wants me to do something but I want to deny it.
But unless Krishna sanctions, you cannot do that also.… So far as we get information, our
knowledge is from the Vedic information,aëòäntara-stha paramaëu: Krishna is within, the Paramatma.
It does not say the soul is within, the Paramatma. So, how much control do we have over our free will?
— We have only as much free period (free will) as much as the school authorities (the Supreme Lord) will allow or sanction.
Evenwithin the allowable limits, when we exercise it, we need to follow the law of the school (nature).
One cannot violate them. Misuse of free period or abuse of freewill is followed by misery of punishment
by the respective executive and judiciary authorities.
Devotee(4): Prabhupäda, we're in this material world, in this human body, we're having to work with this intelligence,
with mind, material things. So there is a group of philosophers that say that actually because we're a product,
our mind, the way we're thinking now is a product of our up bringing and our past, that actually we have no free will,
but we're forced to think and act in a certain way.
Prabhupäda: Then that you have to admit that you are conditioned by some authority. When you are put into jail,you cannot act independently. You have to act according tothe jail superintendent's order.
…Devotee(4): So he admits he's conditioned, but still, there's no free will.
He says, "Yeah, so I'm in the prison. I'm imprisoned. I'm conditioned.
"Prabhupäda: No, no, no.
Free will... Just like a man commits theft by his free will. But when he is put into jail, then no more free will.
He has to act according to the jail superintendent. But his beginning of jail life is free will. Nobody asked him that "You go to jail."
But why he has come? He knows also that "When I am put into jail, I will lose all my freedom." He knows that. Still,
he comes. Why does he come? He knows that. That is called ajnana. Mudha. That is called mudha. He knows; still,
he does.
[Ref.VedaBase> Morning Walk - 14 July 14, 1975, Philadelphia]
There is another discussion reinforcing the same thought:
Prabhupäda: Yes, freedom. Our present condition is not freedom. We are completely under the laws, te 'pi svatantrarudhäëé vardhya(?).
They are tied up by the ropes of material nature, hands and legs, and still they are thinking, ?I am free.? That is illusion.
Nobody is free.
Daivé hy eñaguëa-mayé mama mäyä duratyayä [Bg. 7.14].
We are seeking freedom but nobody is free. Nobody is free. Prakåteh ?kriyamäëäni [Bg. 3.27],
they are pulled by the ear,?Do this.
?Prakåteh ?. You have to do this.
Çyämasundara: He says that the free will, which creates itself or realizes itself is the truest of all realities.
Prabhupäda: Yes. So if by free will if you choose to surrender to Krishna then you'll
get your real free will, freedom. Otherwise you are under the clutches of mäyä. Daivéhy eñä guëa-mayé mama mäyä duratyayä [Bg. 7.14].
You cannot surpass the stringent laws of material nature, that is not...So, working within the stringent laws of nature, one can
misuse the gift of free will and bind himself in the vicious circle of death-birth-death. In the Bhagavad-géta(5.13) the Lord
says that He is not the cause of anyone's particular work, nor the authority, nor the result of such work — but that all these
comeout of the various modes of nature. Thus, all acts performed by the living entity–except those with transcendental
results–are self–created engagements arising from an abuse of the free will, and therefore such acts or engagements are never
to be considered as if the works and the results were somehow ordained by the almighty Godhead. Such works are all material
and are therefore conditioned and directed by the modes of nature. The Personality of Godhead dissociates Himself from such works.
One cannot be without work, how can we work without getting entangled in the karmic reaction of that work?
If we surrender all our actions or work to Him, we can but how do we do it? Conditioned with the three modes of nature or guëas,
how can one take the right decision? If the freewill is so dangerous, should we repress it altogether? How should the free will
be used that it does not prove self-injurious due to our ignorance? Though we are suffering in this material
body because of our earlier misuse of free will; yet it is His causeless mercy that the Lord has not abandoned us.
Keen on bringing us back to Him, even in this situation He has given us the way out,
an escape route from this prison house. He has given us free will, but He has also given the instructions to use
it properly to return to Him.
Prabhupäda explained it beautifully:?I am now talking to you the most confidential words.?
(Sarva-guhyatamam) “You stop your so-called free will. Just surrender to Me.?
This is the most confidential.
?If you surrender to Me, that is good for you. But if you go on keeping your free will you'll not be happy.?
There is also free will. When you come to the platform of Krishna consciousness you serve Krishna with freewill,
not that you become a stone. There is freewill. Just like our devotees they are dressing Krishna nicely,
is there no freewill? They are cooking for Kåñëa. Is there no free will? The free will is there.
The Mäyäväd i philosopher says, the Buddha philosopher says, that "Stop this free will, and then you become happy."
But our proposition is not to stop freewill but purify free will. Purify. Not stop these eyes.
Just if it is suffering from cataract, cure that cataract. Keep the eyes. And their proposition,
?Get out these eyes and throw it. Then there will be no more seeing what is right and wrong.?
That is their proposition. Nirviçeña-vädé.Nirviçeña means no specialty, no varieties. That is nirviçeña. And çünya, zero.
When it is zero, then there is no question of right and wrong. So our philosophy is not that. There is no zero,
and there is no variety. We don't say. There is, but its purified varieties. Tat-paratve nanirmalam[Cc. Madhya19.170].
Nirmalam means purified. So our process is to purify everything.? Our job is therefore to purify our free will and thus dovetail
our freewill with His Supreme will–
Easier said than done. sadr ?çaà ceñöate svasyäù / prakåter jïänavän api prakåtià yänti bhütäni / nigrahaù kià kariñyati[Bg 3.33]
[Even a man of knowledge acts according to his own nature, forev eryone follows the nature he has acquired from the three modes.
three modes of material nature - ignorance, passion, goodness.
from a few sources...
devakas:sunny:
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Free will is no different.
It does exist and comes in measuresas given by the Lord.
If He does not wish to give us free will and freedom to exercise it,
there is no possibility of we having it.
Swedish man(3): Is there free will?
Prabhupäda: Yes, yes. Just like you are sitting here. If you don’t like,
you can go away. That’s your free will. There is free will. Free will exists, but how much?
–Only as much as the Lord wants us to have. The conversation
between Çréla Prabhupäda and Çyämasundara prabhu is worth reading:
Çyämasundara: Does the hydrogen molecule have an independent desire?
Prabhupäda: No, but within the hydrogen atom, there is Krishna; therefore it is combining.
Not this hydrogen atom as matter is combining,
but because Krishna is within that hydrogen atom existing. He knows that by combination this
thing will come about, that will come out, that will come out...
Çyämasundara: But the individual
soul has a little independence to choose?
Prabhupäda: No, no.
Çyämasundara: Has no independence?
Prabhupäda: No. The individual soul does not. In Bhagavad-gétait says that a numantä, individual soul,
wants to do something and Krishna gives orders. Man proposes and Godd is poses.
Çyämasundara: So we have no free will?
Prabhupäda: No. Without sanction of Krishna we cannot do anything.
Therefore He is the ultimate cause.
Çyämasundara: But I thought you had been saying that we have a little independence.
Prabhupäda: That independence that Krishna wants me to do something but I want to deny it.
But unless Krishna sanctions, you cannot do that also.… So far as we get information, our
knowledge is from the Vedic information,aëòäntara-stha paramaëu: Krishna is within, the Paramatma.
It does not say the soul is within, the Paramatma. So, how much control do we have over our free will?
— We have only as much free period (free will) as much as the school authorities (the Supreme Lord) will allow or sanction.
Evenwithin the allowable limits, when we exercise it, we need to follow the law of the school (nature).
One cannot violate them. Misuse of free period or abuse of freewill is followed by misery of punishment
by the respective executive and judiciary authorities.
Devotee(4): Prabhupäda, we're in this material world, in this human body, we're having to work with this intelligence,
with mind, material things. So there is a group of philosophers that say that actually because we're a product,
our mind, the way we're thinking now is a product of our up bringing and our past, that actually we have no free will,
but we're forced to think and act in a certain way.
Prabhupäda: Then that you have to admit that you are conditioned by some authority. When you are put into jail,you cannot act independently. You have to act according tothe jail superintendent's order.
…Devotee(4): So he admits he's conditioned, but still, there's no free will.
He says, "Yeah, so I'm in the prison. I'm imprisoned. I'm conditioned.
"Prabhupäda: No, no, no.
Free will... Just like a man commits theft by his free will. But when he is put into jail, then no more free will.
He has to act according to the jail superintendent. But his beginning of jail life is free will. Nobody asked him that "You go to jail."
But why he has come? He knows also that "When I am put into jail, I will lose all my freedom." He knows that. Still,
he comes. Why does he come? He knows that. That is called ajnana. Mudha. That is called mudha. He knows; still,
he does.
[Ref.VedaBase> Morning Walk - 14 July 14, 1975, Philadelphia]
There is another discussion reinforcing the same thought:
Prabhupäda: Yes, freedom. Our present condition is not freedom. We are completely under the laws, te 'pi svatantrarudhäëé vardhya(?).
They are tied up by the ropes of material nature, hands and legs, and still they are thinking, ?I am free.? That is illusion.
Nobody is free.
Daivé hy eñaguëa-mayé mama mäyä duratyayä [Bg. 7.14].
We are seeking freedom but nobody is free. Nobody is free. Prakåteh ?kriyamäëäni [Bg. 3.27],
they are pulled by the ear,?Do this.
?Prakåteh ?. You have to do this.
Çyämasundara: He says that the free will, which creates itself or realizes itself is the truest of all realities.
Prabhupäda: Yes. So if by free will if you choose to surrender to Krishna then you'll
get your real free will, freedom. Otherwise you are under the clutches of mäyä. Daivéhy eñä guëa-mayé mama mäyä duratyayä [Bg. 7.14].
You cannot surpass the stringent laws of material nature, that is not...So, working within the stringent laws of nature, one can
misuse the gift of free will and bind himself in the vicious circle of death-birth-death. In the Bhagavad-géta(5.13) the Lord
says that He is not the cause of anyone's particular work, nor the authority, nor the result of such work — but that all these
comeout of the various modes of nature. Thus, all acts performed by the living entity–except those with transcendental
results–are self–created engagements arising from an abuse of the free will, and therefore such acts or engagements are never
to be considered as if the works and the results were somehow ordained by the almighty Godhead. Such works are all material
and are therefore conditioned and directed by the modes of nature. The Personality of Godhead dissociates Himself from such works.
One cannot be without work, how can we work without getting entangled in the karmic reaction of that work?
If we surrender all our actions or work to Him, we can but how do we do it? Conditioned with the three modes of nature or guëas,
how can one take the right decision? If the freewill is so dangerous, should we repress it altogether? How should the free will
be used that it does not prove self-injurious due to our ignorance? Though we are suffering in this material
body because of our earlier misuse of free will; yet it is His causeless mercy that the Lord has not abandoned us.
Keen on bringing us back to Him, even in this situation He has given us the way out,
an escape route from this prison house. He has given us free will, but He has also given the instructions to use
it properly to return to Him.
Prabhupäda explained it beautifully:?I am now talking to you the most confidential words.?
(Sarva-guhyatamam) “You stop your so-called free will. Just surrender to Me.?
This is the most confidential.
?If you surrender to Me, that is good for you. But if you go on keeping your free will you'll not be happy.?
There is also free will. When you come to the platform of Krishna consciousness you serve Krishna with freewill,
not that you become a stone. There is freewill. Just like our devotees they are dressing Krishna nicely,
is there no freewill? They are cooking for Kåñëa. Is there no free will? The free will is there.
The Mäyäväd i philosopher says, the Buddha philosopher says, that "Stop this free will, and then you become happy."
But our proposition is not to stop freewill but purify free will. Purify. Not stop these eyes.
Just if it is suffering from cataract, cure that cataract. Keep the eyes. And their proposition,
?Get out these eyes and throw it. Then there will be no more seeing what is right and wrong.?
That is their proposition. Nirviçeña-vädé.Nirviçeña means no specialty, no varieties. That is nirviçeña. And çünya, zero.
When it is zero, then there is no question of right and wrong. So our philosophy is not that. There is no zero,
and there is no variety. We don't say. There is, but its purified varieties. Tat-paratve nanirmalam[Cc. Madhya19.170].
Nirmalam means purified. So our process is to purify everything.? Our job is therefore to purify our free will and thus dovetail
our freewill with His Supreme will–
Easier said than done. sadr ?çaà ceñöate svasyäù / prakåter jïänavän api prakåtià yänti bhütäni / nigrahaù kià kariñyati[Bg 3.33]
[Even a man of knowledge acts according to his own nature, forev eryone follows the nature he has acquired from the three modes.
three modes of material nature - ignorance, passion, goodness.
from a few sources...
devakas:sunny:
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