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    Post  orthodoxymoron Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:06 pm

    mudra wrote:
    orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you Mercuriel. The Nephilim are mysterious and illusive. Who knows who or what really goes bump in the night and runs the world? I'm just presently focusing on a hypothetical Anna-like Queen of Heaven - as being the focal point of solar system administration. I obviously know very, very little about this subject - but I'm tired of being kept in the dark and lied to - so I'm stumbling through this minefield like a bull in a china closet. God help us.

    You have to look within Oxy for if you search for Truth without it will always elude you . You may even find several truths standing in contradiction with one another opening the door to more and more speculation . And when you think you know the next moment you realize you don't .This is how we keep the world alive . If you could only for a moment stop the inner dialogue you may catch a glimpse of a freedom and peace that no mental process will ever reach and gradually begin to understand the world as it is in it's naked state.
    I wrote the following for a friend of mine lately but I realize I wrote it for all of us that get caught on the merry go round .

    Your longing for Mother wrapping you in her wings ... To let yourself sink to the very core of her Heart .
    To tune your soul and body to her soul and body and listen to her soothing song of everlasting peace .
    To let her kiss the darkest corners , inner turmoil, fears and bring them to complete rest .
    Stop the inner dialogue and find your way back to the perfect stand still .
    Lay down the arms , every thought that we hold to define ourselves and live our life with some sense of composure .
    Be completely naked in her womb ...stripped of every word , every idea , every single tremor in the mind .
    Withold nothing , give .. give away every thing so as to hold on to none .
    Let the walls crumble , the dream dissolve , remove the 3D plug .
    A moment of nothing , nothing at all , only trust in her arms .

    When humans become too much , when there is too much noise around , when one does'nt know anymore
    and one feels lost and tired ...Time to go blind , to go deaf , to go mute to this world and find that other world
    ever present , ever silent to this one , ever tranquil , ever beautifull and ever perfect .
    Mother holds you in her infinite Love and takes you there ...
    You close your eyes and hear the sound waves landing on the distant shore , the seagulls flapping their wings ,
    the sun warming your body , the soft breeze caressing your cheeks and blowing in your hair .
    As slowly you let go of it all you discover you can fly and reach the mountains ... the smell of the leaves and fresh earth
    under your feet ..the majesty of long standing trees holding their brothers and sisters over far reaching distances through
    their roots . The fragance of blue and yellow flowers are showing you the way to the hill's crown....Your true eyes allow
    you to see lands never visited before .. The water fall you meet gives you fresh and invigorating water to drink .
    You watch it running through every cell of your now transparent body making it glow with sparkling light .
    As sunset falls you gaze at the night sky filled with stars .
    Everything seems to fit ... nothing to add .. nothing to take away .....You know you reached the river of
    suspended time and you feel deep within a Love so great that it blinds you and you know at the core or your heart Mother has
    taught you once more that the cloth of infinity is what you are made of and where you belong , where you always are ,
    before you dream the world .


    Much love for you
    Hugs

    mudra

    I just wanted to bump this - because it is so beautiful. Thank-you mudra. Hugs
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Wed Dec 22, 2010 3:07 am

    Don't be frightened. I mean no harm.

    Is it going to take someone like Anna in 'V' to properly promote and institute a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahjPQjQGdbU Would this be a Supreme Contradiction? If there really is a Queen of Heaven who rules this Solar System - she might really have to sign-off on the concept before it could ever become a reality - and I'm very Sirius. Once again - try reading through this entire thread - and imagine Anna speaking each and every word from the New York Mothership. Further - try playing Classical Sacred Music while engaging in this exercise. http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t1397-saint-ouen-and-saint-sulpice Siriusly. I'm going to really try to post less and research more. I will be going over and over this thread in the coming months - looking for problems and solutions. I will also be trying to tie all of my threads into this one. Dr. Robert H. Schuller used to say "1. Build Your Base. 2. State Your Case. 3. Don't Erase. 4. Save Your Face." He also used to say "When faced with a mountain, I will not quit. I will keep on striving, until I climb over, find a pass through, tunnel underneath - or simply stay, and turn the mountain into a goldmine - with God's help." You people probably think I'm crazy - but I think the Archangels know exactly what I'm talking about - and I suspect that they are the ones who will have to make this happen - if it's going to happen.

    I am of peace. Always.

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    Post  orthodoxymoron Thu Dec 23, 2010 12:52 am

    What did you think of my last post? I don't know what to think of my last post! I like the best aspects of Anna's style and presentation - but I obviously despise the worst parts of the fictional 'V' phenomenon. Or - how fictional is it - really? I think advanced technology is very cool in one way - and highly dangerous and destructive in another way. I just thought that Anna's presentation, in the context of a mothership, would give this thread an additional dimension - and make it more interesting. I have a feeling that all factions are probably wrong. I don't trust anyone or anything. If one faction is defeated - should I jump up and down, and cheer? Or - with the removal of one faction - does this simply allow other evil factions to proceed without resistance - to finally get their way? What is it going to take for genuine, competent, pragmatic goodness to reign supreme in this solar system? How do we really and truly eliminate the bull$h!t??? I am very, very, very concerned about out of control hybridization experiments (ancient and modern) - and out of control advanced technology (ancient and modern). Humans and Non-Humans would probably stop at nothing to control this madness. I'm losing nearly all hope of things working out well in the near future - or any future - for that matter. Things might appear to be happy and good - from time to time - but I suspect that the underlying and evil power struggles will continue forever. I am very pessimistic tonight. I will continue to play my little administrative mindgame - but that's really all it is. Prepare for the worst.

    On another thread, I learned that Reagan and Gorbachev communicated with Spielberg and Lucas, regarding getting the truth out. In the late 80's - I heard (with my own ears) someone close to Steven Spielberg say that he was a very fearful person. I think something bad happened in the 80's regarding the Alien and UFO thing. I'm thinking that formerly hopeful, trusting, corrupted, and deceived elites found out that they had been had - BIG TIME. During this time - I heard an elite say that 'A Storm is Coming'. I also knew someone who lived in a very exclusive neighborhood, and hobnobbed with the elites - and he was very afraid of the Alien and UFO phenomenon. When Henry Kissenger was finding out about all of the Alien and UFO stuff - he worked around the clock, would speak with no one, and was pretty much in another world (which did not appear to be a good one). I tend to think all of this is a monumental nightmare of a problem. I don't think it's good at all. I feel horribly tense and depressed as I study this phenomenon. Strange things are happening to me (which I will not discuss). I feel like a shot-up bomber that's going down fast. But I still think that the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth needs to be told to the whole damn world - whether we can handle it, or not.

    It's sort of fun to think that some mysterious and powerful agency actually gives a damn about little-old me! I sure hope that I'm not on anyone's fecal-list when the excrement hits the air-conditioning system! People start out, worrying about what people think of them. Then, they stop worrying about what people think. Finally, they realize that no one really gives a rat's @$$! I'm half-joking and half-serious when I speak of rocking back and forth in a corner. The internal conflict generated by considering life, the universe, and everything - combined with a feeling of utter uselessness and helplessness - is quite intense, at times. Wanting everything - while having nothing - is a form of mental illness which I experience each and every day. Some of us nobodies wish to be somebodies - and we engage in self-aggrandizing tempests in internet-teapots - while rocking back and forth in the corner - doing you know what...

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    Post  orthodoxymoron Thu Dec 23, 2010 1:55 am

    The following may be off-topic - but I wanted to include it on this thread. I don't know exactly how to classify Kali with regards to angels and demons. There are probably various levels of angelic and demonic - but I don't know - and I'm not sure I really want to know. I just had a really, really horrible thought. Demons raise hell with Humans - but can you even begin to imagine what a Demon vs Demon conflict might be like???!!! I still wish to see as many bad guys and gals become good guys and gals as is humanly or inhumanly possible - but can you even begin to imagine how hard it might be for a Demon to defect - and become an Angel???!!! Is this even possible? I purposely remain naive about a lot of things. I can only handle so much. There's still time to embrace and facilitate a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System. The door is open guys and gals - but don't wait too long. John May Lives! Long Live the Fifth Column! One more thing - I woke up a couple of nights ago - and I could've sworn that it sounded like a demonic succubus was attempting to seduce me!! This only lasted for a few seconds - but it sounded quite real! This was the first time anything like this has happened - and it was probably just my imagination. Succubus Interruptus.

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    I'd still like to really know the whole story regarding Orion, Aldebaran, Sirius A & B, M-42, the Annunaki, the Prince of Sirius, the Queen of Heaven, the Ancient and Modern Genetic Hybridization Program, Ancient and Modern Advanced Technology, Gizeh Intelligence, the Masons, the Nazis, our Reptilian Brain, the True Nature - Origin - Destiny of the Soul, etc, etc. It might make understanding Kali a lot easier. I still suspect that a Sovereign Ruler of the Solar System would be incredibly brilliant and talented - but at some point, they would become disillusioned, despondant, corrupted, reprobate, vindictive, cruel, and even insane - even if they did their best to do the right thing. This is why I keep speaking of retirement - and the replacement of the Secret Government (ruled by the Queen of Heaven?) with a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System. Sorry for the repetition - but I will keep testing the theory over and over again. I might seek companionship, once this mess gets resolved - and I get my house back in shape, get my finances straightened out, get my teeth fixed, and get better situated emotionally and spiritually. I would also have to find someone who actually related to my ranting and raving about solar system governance. Also - the male / female stereotypes are highly problematic. Anything is possible, I suppose - but frankly, I don't see this happening for the rest of my life (and probably not even in my next life, if I have one) - so the succubus's (succubi?) are in luck! I just wish they could replace that demonic witch-like voice with something more seductive! Or - better yet - how 'bout a Sexy Cyborg from Another Dimension? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-z54EP0EhM

    Note the Queen of Heaven on the left - and orthodoxymoron on the right - getting rid of Mr. In-Between!

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    Post  orthodoxymoron Thu Dec 23, 2010 8:53 am

    The interest in Solar System Governance appears to be virtually non-existent. Where should this subject be properly discussed and debated - other than Antarctica or the Darkside of the Moon? I really believe that if I openly presented the material in my threads - in person, in public meetings - that I wouldn't last long. But even if that weren't the case - I don't think that would be the time or the place to discuss such controversial subjects. I really don't wish to be a rabble-rouser! I like listening to the Bill Cooper's and Alex Jones's of the world - but I don't wish to be one. Editorially - Yes. Presentationally - No. Is all of the fancy technology in the best of hands - or the worst of hands? I mean well - but I think I'm a Rebel Without a Clue. Should we simply leave everything up to Megalomaniacs Anonymous? Is the New World Order really in everyone's best interest? I would love to read a 20 page eyes-only internal document which lays out the true state of affairs in this solar system - with just the facts - and no bull$h!t whatsoever - in 'The New York Times' perhaps! But this is obviously not going to happen! The general public is derided by the elites for being stupid - but is the general public being educated to be knowledgeable and responsible - especially regarding solar system governance? I'm trying to force myself to think about this - and I'm inviting others to share the journey - with a minimal quantity of BS. I eschew obfuscation - and a couple of other things. But I espouse elucidation - and a couple of dozen things. Questions? Comments? Attacks? Alternatives? One more thing.

    What Would Raven Say (WWRS)? "F@#%$&*!!(@)(@)!!"???

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    Post  orthodoxymoron Thu Dec 23, 2010 12:22 pm

    On the 'Red Pill' thread http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t791p795-egyptian-folklore-and-the-red-pill?highlight=red+pill Carol wrote: "Although I did post this elsewhere I think it really goes here as I had this intuitional flash and this is what makes the most sense to me based on what I do know about ET and our planet. As I mentioned earlier, the NWO has stepped up its agenda. I'm convinced that many politicians have been eliminated and replaced with clones. What better way to insure they get through their nefarious NWO global agendas. Of course I do have a wild imagination... based on reality. And my reality is a bit broader based then the average citizen. I know for a fact, based on first hand reports from someone I personally have met and spent time with, that the ET clones had wiped out the original underground and undersea ET bases in Italy of their creators and taken over various corporations. If one wants to delve deeper into how this particular group of ETs (clones) are taking over the planet... just start with reading Mass Contacts by Stefano Breccia http://shop.1asecure.com/prod.cfm?ProdID=370402&StID=5503 He actually brought along the voice recordings of one of the clones. No one would be able to recognize the difference except that perhaps they don't have a soul. Those with "second" sight would know. And there are those with "second" sight are also being hunted down by the shadow government as well so they tend to hide out and stay very low key. The original ETs were very positive, however, their clones turned on them and are without compassion... the clones are much more technologically oriented. Then we have the reptilian agenda that have been here a bit longer then the clones and of course, add to the mix the Greys. The reality is that the war we are really battling is who gets to control our planets resources, including humankind. So the question which begs to be answered is this, "Who really is controlling all of these political agendas?" And I do see the battle lines being drawn - and I do pity politicians as they will be the first targeted by the common man once they realize the truth and look at voting records along with personal bank accounts. A yacht on the high seas or a bunker underground will end up being the only safe places left for these types once the populace revolts. Meanwhile, I take comfort in the reality that there are more of us then them and we still have a slim chance to play this game out to the advantage of the planet and her children in the short time remaining because humankind is ready for its DNA upgrade."

    orthodoxymoronic reponse: This sounds like Humans creating Cylons in 'Battlestar Galactica'. Did ancient Humans create all manner of hybrids - including the Dracs, Greys, and Annunaki - with forbidden technology (possibly obtained from Regressive Interdimensional Reptilians?). Did they obtain and/or invent computers, nukes, antigravity-spacecraft etc. Did they enslave the hybrids, and demand worship? Did the hybrids rebel (led by Lucifer?) - and confiscate most of the forbidden technology? Did the hybrids steal 'Fire from the Gods'? Are the 'aliens' really rebel hybrids - who we created? Does the 'Original Sin' involve all of the above? Have the renegade hybrids been raising hell with us for thousands of years? Are they presently considering exterminating us? If we somehow eliminated or removed the renegade hybrids - would all of the fancy technology be in the best of hands - or the worst of hands? Do we need the hybrids to reign us in? Should my fantasy of a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System include hybrids? If most of my questions are answered affirmatively - how should this mess properly be resolved? If reincarnation is a reality - I am very afraid regarding what I might have done, or who I might have been. Progressive Interdimensional Reptilians vs Regressive Interdimensional Reptilians? The Great Controversy Between Christ and Satan in the Conflict of the Ages?



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    Post  orthodoxymoron Thu Dec 23, 2010 2:40 pm

    I'm not in a very trusting mood these days. Whose hands are the important matter of humanity's future residing in? The same hands who have been handling things for thousands of years? I will continue to attempt to think for myself - and second-guess everyone and everything connected with the destiny of humanity. I will continue to be fearful as I survey the wreckage of the past few thousand years - and the current insanity. All has not been well - and all is not well - and I want to know exactly why. I also wish to be absolutely certain that I am placing my faith in the right 'Lord'. Read 'The Gods of Eden' by William Bramley for a genuinely eye-opening experience. What would the Indian monkey-god 'Hanuman' say? http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Delhi/Congressman_Bhama_says_Hanuman_helped_Obama/articleshow/3678612.cms

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    If an entity presents itself - and it is clearly not your everyday human - how does one know that they are who they say they are? I continue to think that deception is rampant. Should polite conversation ensue - or should there be an attempted exorcism - or an exit without hesitation? Jesus was polite during his temptation - but he was special - right? I continue to toy with the notion that most of the gods, goddesses, theologies, mythologies, sacred texts, and philosophies - have a common source. I think the human race has been massively messed-with - and that this is ongoing. What really happened on November 8 - on the Presidential trip to India and Asia? I won't be more specific - but that trip seems very strange to me. Regarding the Egyptian folklore - who was ultimately behind all of it? I think most are cunningly devised fables - but what do these fables tell us about their source? What would you do if someone looked you straight in the eye - and said 'I Am Ra'? Would you believe them? I continue to be interested in the nature of the soul present in humans, hybrids, greys, dracs, et al. Do they all have the same type of soul? The whole story regarding hybridization would probably answer most of the really important questions facing us presently. I'm suspecting some really, really ugly ancient conflicts, enslavements, atrocities, etc. - which remain unresolved. Is there a way to quantitatively and qualitatively evaluate karmic-debt? What is the proper relationship between justice and mercy? Will there be Resolution - or will there be Star Wars? Will we live happily ever after - or will we be blasted to the brink of extinction? Who decides? One more thing. Was there a relationship between Amen Ra and Akhenaten? Was/Is there a relationship between Amen Ra and Obamanaten? Is there a relationship between Akhenaten and Obamanaten? How controlled is Obama? Can he still choose to do the right thing? How does this relate to monotheism and controlling/disciplining the human race? Consider the chastenings of the Lord, vengeful deities, retribution, recompense, judgment, purification, etc. All of the above could be very important regarding the desirability and feasability of a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System. There may be unfinished business - which might need to be resolved - before The United States of the Solar System could become a reality. Is there anyone on Earth who could properly negotiate such a development - to most everyone's satisfaction? Perhaps the Creator God of the Universe will cast the deciding vote - if the gods and goddesses become deadlocked...
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Thu Dec 23, 2010 10:34 pm

    What would be your choice (which type of church, and which type of government) for the following?

    1. World Government?

    2. Solar System Government?

    3. World Church?

    4. Solar System Church?

    Please consider these questions carefully - and tell me what you think. Perhaps I should go door to door - and ask people what they think. Or, maybe I should stand outside the local mall - and ask these questions. I consider the members of this forum to be some of the most awake and aware members of the solar system. I felt the same way about Avalon 1. But there wasn't a lot of interest in this subject there - and there isn't much interest here. I've made some suggestions and speculations - but I mostly wished to discuss the topics - regardless of whether the responses were positive or negative. I actually rather enjoyed getting cussed-out recently - because at least someone had some passion! There seems to be a real vacuum in the area of governance. I initially thought that the debate would be prolific and heated - but just the opposite has been the case. I keep repeating myself, because I am trying to test a hypothesis in as many contexts as I can. I'm seeing the distinct possibility of a global societal meltdown of biblical proportions. I'm trying to imagine various ways to prevent this - including this thread.

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    Post  bran Thu Dec 23, 2010 11:52 pm

    orthodoxymoron wrote:What would be your choice (which type of church, and which type of government) for the following?

    1. World Government?

    2. Solar System Government?

    3. World Church?

    4. Solar System Church?

    Please consider these questions carefully - and tell me what you think.

    Something like this:

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    Antiwar.com is one project of our parent foundation, the Randolph Bourne Institute. It is a program that provides a sounding board of interest to all who are concerned about U.S. foreign policy and its implications.

    In 1952, Garet Garrett, one of the last of the Old Right "isolationists," said it well:

    "Between government in the republican meaning, that is, Constitutional, representative, limited government, on the one hand, and Empire on the other hand, there is mortal enmity. Either one must forbid the other or one will destroy the other."

    This is the perception that informs our activism and inspires our dedication. Non-interventionism abroad is a corollary to non-interventionism at home. Randolph Bourne echoed this sentiment: "We cannot crusade against war without implicitly crusading against the State." Since opposition to war is at the heart of our philosophy, and single-issue politics is the only avenue open to us, Antiwar.com embodies the politics of the possible.

    Our dedication to libertarian principles, inspired in large part by the works and example of the late Murray N. Rothbard, is reflected on this site. While openly acknowledging that we have an agenda, the editors take seriously our purely journalistic mission, which is to get past the media filters and reveal the truth about America's foreign policy. Citing a wide variety of sources without fear or favor, and presenting our own views in the regular columns of various contributors, we clearly differentiate between fact and opinion, and let our readers know which is which.

    The pressing need for "citizen experts" is the reason we set up Antiwar.com. In this process, the site evolved very quickly into an online magazine and research tool designed to keep the American people and the world informed about the overseas plans of the American government. The history of our site and of American foreign policy demonstrates the demand for such experts.

    The founders of Antiwar.com were active in the Libertarian Party during the 1970s; in 1983, we founded the Libertarian Republican Organizing Committee to work as a libertarian caucus within the GOP. Today, we are seeking to challenge the traditional politics of "Left" and "Right." At present, none of the existing parties or activist groups offer an effective vehicle for principled libertarian politics. Yet even in the absence of a party of liberty, we cannot abstain from the struggle. We strive to lead the non-interventionist cause and the peace movements that many respected institutions have forgotten.

    Forged in the experience of the first Balkan war, Antiwar.com has become the Internet newspaper of record for a growing international movement, the central locus of opposition to a new imperialism that masks its ambitions in the rhetoric of "human rights," "humanitarianism," "freedom from terror," and "global democracy." The totalitarian liberals and social democrats of the West have unilaterally and arrogantly abolished national sovereignty and openly seek to overthrow all who would oppose their bid for global hegemony. They have made enemies of the patriots of all countries, and it is time for those enemies to unite – or perish alone.

    Antiwar.com represents the truly pro-America side of the foreign policy debate. With our focus on a less centralized government and freedom at home, we consider ourselves the real American patriots. "America first!" regards the traditions of a republican government and non-interventionism as paramount to freedom – a concept that helped forge the foundation of this nation.
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    Antiwar.com is already fighting the next information war: we are dedicated to the proposition that war hawks and our leaders are not going to be allowed to get away with it unopposed and unchallenged. The War Party is well-organized, well-financed, and very focused. They know what they want: a renewal of the Cold War, increased military spending, and a globalist mission that would project American power from the Middle East to the Korean peninsula and all points in between. And they know how to get it: mobilizing special interest groups and key corporate allies in a propaganda war designed to win the hearts if not the minds of the American people. The antiwar forces, on the other hand, are not so well-positioned. Everyone is for peace, in theory at least, but there is no one group of Americans especially disposed to work for it, outside of small religious groups such as the Quakers and the Catholic Worker movement.

    Lacking a centrally coordinated leadership, without financial resources of any significance, and incredibly diverse, the organized opposition to the first Balkan war was unfocused and of limited effectiveness. Currently, the antiwar movement against a war on Iraq is considered anti-American and left-wing. However, we are changing this perception by leading the cause of the patriotic peace movement, which understands the true costs of war. Unfortunately, the organizations pushing for actions in Afghanistan, Iraq, and other areas around the world are stronger and better focused. Antiwar.com has become an integral part of the movement against these groups and for peace by disseminating accurate news and commentary.

    Antiwar.com is dedicated to building an awareness of the globalist and interventionist forces that would enslave us all in a New World Order on which the sun never sets. But we can't do it without you. Tell your friends about Antiwar.com, and also help us do our job by bringing items to our attention. We are always looking for material, and we welcome your suggestions, whether of links or in the form of original articles submitted to the editors.

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    Post  ClearWater Thu Dec 23, 2010 11:54 pm

    I have been reading your posts for a couple of years now, from AV1 to The Mists.
    Most of your posts have been about governance... Who is in control? Who do want in control? What type of control is best?

    Honestly, though, the overriding thought that I always have is that I do not want to be governed. Period.
    To me, choosing which type of government I want to replace the current governments is akin to choosing which new type of poison I want added to my drinking water as a replacement for the currently present poisons.

    Govern - To take control. Rule. Hold in check.
    A government of any type will create a power struggle. Whenever there is a hierarchical system, there will be those who wish to be at the top of the pyramid...who will suppress and trample others to reach the top. In my opinion, anything resembling government as we know it will produce the same results as our current governments are producing. The basic structure of "The Church" is the same as that of the government...

    The only solution to our problems that I can propose, is to treat each other with kindness and compassion. We must truly be filled with love for ourselves, our neighbors, our planet, our solar system, etc. I believe that love IS the solution. Be filled with love, and everything else will fall into place.
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    Thank-you bran and ClearWater. I think we're on the same page. But having said that - I'm a walking contradiction. I like the idea of a firmly established minimalist government and church - which are in harmony with each other - and which maximize responsible freedom - on a sustainable long-term basis. Freedom without Responsibility, Structure, or Discipline - leads right back to Tyranny. A Solar System based upon Responsibility and the U.S. Constitution is about as minimalist as it gets. I'm engaging in blasphemous and reprehensible heresy when I wish to replace Canon Law with the Teachings of Jesus - in the Roman Catholic Church. I'm thinking of the RCC as an art-form rather than a theocratic religion. This is very tricky territory. I don't want anyone micro-managing me. No one does. But if you don't have a firmly and elegantly stuctured minimalist church and state in harmony with each other - there will be nothing but headaches and confusion - ultimately ending up in violence, loss of freedom, and tyranny. Again - this is the most intricate and delicate problem imaginable. If a parent doesn't have simple and fair guidelines - which are reasonably enforced - the child is placed in a scary and insecure situation. I wish for the least intrusive church and state situation imaginable. We do need to work with that which presently exists in the world today - and refine it - in an evolutionary, rather than a revolutionary manner. I wish to change everything - without changing anything. Knights in Shining Armor who attempt to turn the world upside down - will end up landing hard on their @$$! Reformers must have a sense of respect and place - to accomplish lasting change - which truly makes the world a better place. The best form of control - is self-control. If one does not wish to be told what to do - they must be responsible. Responsibility is love with backbone - and more than a feeling. I support Constructive Competition - but not Destructive Competition. Competition is an integral part of Freedom. Structured leadership is not necessarily a bad thing - but it often is. Again - this is very tricky territory. Namaste.

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    I still don't know where the proper balance point is in the discussion (or non-discussion) of Solar System Governance. I will be supportive of any reasonable solutions or steps in the right direction. (as if it made any difference) I'm hoping that ALL factions will conduct their conflicts in a kinder and gentler manner. After you all stop laughing - please spend some quality time considering what a perfected humanity, living in a perfected solar system, might look like. I'm not trying to end Constructive Competition - but I am trying to destroy Destructive Competition. We should all be good - but how good is too good? Think about THAT - 'till the smoke starts billowing out of your ears. Check this out. Someone other than me thinks that Lucifer is alive and well, and living in this dimension. http://www.rense.com/general85/lucifer.htm Lucifer Rising by Philip Jones (5-13-09):

    Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiter's of the earth and of the sea, for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

    Introduction. As an amateur researcher and writer, with perhaps too much time on his hands, I am fortunate to be able to devote many hours a day reading books and online articles relating to what I will call in this essay the Luciferian Conspiracy. I make no pretensions that what follows is in any way original or even innovative. Most of it excepting my own personal observations can be found in much greater detail elsewhere, and for that purpose, I have included a full bibliography and reference section at article's end. What I have tried to do here is collect information gleaned from reading the work of such exceptional researchers as William J. Sutton, Fritz Springmeier, William F. Jasper, Henry Makow, David Livingstone and Texe Marrs, and create a condensed summary of evidence which will show that as it says in the Bible verse above, Lucifer is amongst us, and the mayhem and chaos we are now experiencing on an international scale in this the first decade of the 21st century, is due to the culmination of many millenia of plotting and planning by the eternal adversary as mentioned in the Holy Scriptures.

    If only four years ago, someone had made a similar assertion to me as that above, I would have raised an eyebrow or two, and politely or not, dismissed the idea. But all of my research these past few years has led me to believe just that; That Lucifer is real, and is here on earth, in this dimension, and through those who descend directly from his line, and their puppets, he is causing havoc and chaos in an attempt to seat himself, or his proxy on the throne of a World State, and to inaugurate a New Religion with himself it's sole deity.

    During my investigations into the Illuminati Brotherhood and their diabolical machinations to cull and enslave mankind, I had until quite recently been oblivious to an aspect of the Global Conspiracy which in it's breadth, depth and scope is like no other. I am speaking about the New Age Movement and it's plan to introduce a World Religion. I have tried to be as brief and to the point as possible, and hope the reader will have the patience to stick with me. My ultimate intention here is to lead people to the work of those dedicated men listed above, which in turn will help others to truly come to terms with the realisation, that for all it's mystical hype and apparent diversity, what many now refer to as `The Rainbow Conspiracy` is in reality the `Luciferian Conspiracy`.

    Below, I have tried to connect as many of those `dots` as an article of this type allows, in order to draw a red line through each of the many interconnecting aspects of what the New Age terms `The Plan` and what Freemasonry calls `The Great Work Of Ages`. Call it what you will, by `essay's end` , it should become obvious that what we are dealing with is Lucifer's rebellion against God.

    The Far Pavillions. During the 1960s and '70s, large numbers of disillusioned intellectuals, alienated students and others from the West, travelled to India and other points east seeking "truth, wisdom, enlightenment, and good karma" from a ready made supply of gurus, swamis, yogis, and other self styled "Illuminated masters." Few understood that they were merely following in the footsteps of a woman who a hundred or so years earlier had trodden a similar path and set out the foundations for the present occult revival being experienced globally, and whose work is pivotal to the spiritual character of the United Nations today and the cause of a World Religion.

    That woman was Helena P. Blavatsky (1831-1891), widely regarded as the high priestess of the modern New Age Movement. Blavatsky founded the Theosophical Society in New York in 1875, and during her lifetime, established close relations with Freemasonry, receiving the Certificate of the `Rite Of Adoption` from Mason John Yarker in 1877. Blavatsky's Theosophy taught arcane "knowledge" (Gnosis), the universal brotherhood of mankind, and unity among all religions, except the monotheistic religions, Christianity, Islam, and Judaism , which she insisted could not be reconciled with what she termed "individual enlightenment."

    Blavatsky damned Yahweh as a "capricious and unjust." God. In her view, he was the God of the Israelites and nothing more. She insisted that the Holy Scriptures were wrong, it was really Lucifer who was the `Good and Just God`, victimised by the harsh and unjust Yahweh. Blavatsky maintained that the the name Satan, belonged by right to the first and cruelest "Adversary" of all other Gods, and not to the serpent which spoke only words of sympathy and wisdom. She somehow reasoned that Satan/Lucifer is GOD the Creator, the Savior, the Father; and that Jesus is "the first born brother of Satan." She wrote, "Satan, the Serpent of Genesis, is the real creator and benefactor, the Father of Spiritual mankind. For it is he ... who opened the eyes of the automaton (Adam) created by Yahweh, as alleged.... An adversary to him ... he still remains in Esoteric Truth the ever loving messenger ... who conferred on us spiritual instead of physical immortality."

    She claimed to have had experience with astral projection and the ability to communicate with the spirit world. Her books, `Isis Unveiled` and her three-volume, `The Secret Doctrine` were supposedly channelled through her by the "Masters of Wisdom," Tibetan `holy men`, which any Christian, Jew or Muslim should recognise as being synonymous with demons.

    In her book, `The Secret Doctrine` Blavatsky wrote, "Lucifer represents life, thought, progress, civilisation, liberty, independence. Lucifer is the Logos, the Serpent, the Saviour" and "It is Lucifer who is the God of our planet and the only God", and she continues, "The celestial Virgin which thus becomes the Mother of Gods and Devils at one and the same time, for she is the ever loving beneficent deity, but in antiquity and reality, Lucifer or Luciferius is the name. Lucifer is the divine and terrestrial light, the Holy Ghost and Satan at one and the same time".

    When Blavatsky died in 1891, Annie Besant, a militant feminist, co mason, and a member of the Fabian Socialist Society of England took over the reigns of leadership. As a close friend of George Bernard Shaw, H.G. Wells, and other leading Fabians, she was in an excellent position to disseminate theosophical ideas in some very influential circles. She took part in revolutionary street riots and wrote numerous occultic works to complement those of Blavatsky.

    After Besant, came Alice Bailey and her husband, Foster Bailey, a 32nd Degree Freemason. Having assumed the leadership of the Theosophical Society together, they formulated and built the foundations of what we now refer to as the New Age Movement. They made no effort to conceal their demonic sympathies, and created the `Lucifer Publishing Company`, along with the theosophical periodical `Lucifer`.Acknowledging that the Christian world at that time, had not been sufficiently undermined for their open preference for the Satanic religion, they renamed their project the `Lucis Publishing Company`. In 1922, they set up `Lucis Trust`, which continues to serve as the umbrella organization for a multitude of One World Government/New Age/Occult sects,cults, organizations and programs that are the main players in the emerging new world religion. These include the Arcane School, World Goodwill, Triangles, Lucis Publishing, Lucis Productions, Lucis Trust Libraries, and the New Group of World Servers.
    The `Plan` as revealed by her `Ascended Master` Djwhal Khul, is documented in her twenty four books, which she says were channelled through her by Khul whilst she was in a trance state.

    This `Plan`, was to usher in the "Harmonic Convergence," also known as the Omega, Mind Convergence, Fusion or Turning Point, which can occur only when nations put aside their differences in a "New World Order" of global unity. When world government and religion are finally realized, the New Age, or the Age of Aquarius, will have dawned. Only then will the Avatar appear, and the implementation of the New World Order fully begin. This "Christ" is also known as Lord Maitraya (see below), said to be awaited also by Jews, Moslems, Buddhists, and Hindus, though he is known by these believers respectively as the Messiah, Imam Mahdi, the fifth Buddha, or Krishna.

    Bailey makes it very clear that there is to also be a world religion: "The spirit has gone out of the old faiths and the true spiritual light is transferring itself into a new form which will manifest on earth eventually as the new world religion. ...Judaism is old, obsolete and separative and has no true message for the spiritually-minded which cannot be better given by the new faiths...the Christian faith also has served its purpose; its Founder seeks to bring a new Gospel and a new message that will enlighten all men everywhere".

    In his book `Terrorism & The Illuminati`, Canadian author, David Livingstone's own investigations revealed that the Lucis Trust is run through an international board of trustees, whose membership is said to have included: John D. Rockefeller, Norman Cousins, Robert S. McNamara, Thomas Watson, Jr. of IBM, and former U.S. Ambassador to Moscow, Henry Clauson, a Grand Commander of the Supreme Council, 33rd Degree, Southern District Scottish Rite, and Henry Kissinger, thus tying Bailey's organization into the various Round Table groups, including the CFR, the Bilderberger group, and the Trilateral Commission.

    When one examines and researches the claims of the New Age Movement, it is all too easy to be sceptical and dismissive, but those leading the way forward in this modern day version of what is in truth `Mystery Babylon` renewed, are working hand in glove with the great and the powerful. Some of the most wealthy and influential men and women on our planet are openly identifying themselves with the New Age. From Bankers, Industrialists, Politicians, Celebrities, it seems everyone is going `New Age` and they are bringing huge swathes of the population along with them. This `spiritual awakening` may be only one aspect of the Illuminati's goal towards One World Government, but it is a major one and may in time prove to be the core element in their plan.

    It would be foolhardy indeed to ignore the growing influence of the New Age, Occult, Satanist, Wicca, and Hedonist phenomena manifesting themselves all around us, without acknowledging that if these trends persist, the day will not be too far off when these forces will be able to make good on their aims.

    As G. K. Chesterton once observed, "If man will not believe in God, the danger is not that he will believe in nothing, but that he will believe in anything."

    `The Christ Is Now Here`! On April 25, 1982, millions of people across the world read the above headline in their daily newspapers, and that, "Throughout history, humanity's evolution has been guided by a group of enlightened men, the Masters of Wisdom, a Spiritual Hierarchy at the center of which stands the World Teacher, Lord Maitreya, known by Christians as the Christ."

    We were told "The Christ" was at that that very time living in the world and would within two months reveal his identity to all mankind. At the same time, the British Theosophist Benjamin Creme commenced a worldwide speaking tour and announced himself spokesman for "the Christ." In numerous interviews and speeches, he explained that it was not Jesus Christ he was acting on behalf of, but the "Master of Wisdom," of whom Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, and others are disciples. Creme's messianic campaign was coordinated by his New Age religious organization, the Tara Center, from its offices in Los Angeles, New York, and London. As Creme's "Lord Maitreya` failed to appear, one would have expected that he and his `Christ, along with all his euphoric Aquarian propaganda would have become completely discredited and irrelevant. But we do not live in an age of reason. Mr Creme is still revered as a leading light of the vast New Age network, and his arcane gospel can be found around the world at UN conferences and programs where the Illuminati Elite of the Club of Rome, Aspen Institute, Council on Foreign Relations, World Federalists, World Bank, etc. consort with New Agers of every imaginable kind.

    The United Nations And The New World Religion. "The underlying philosophy upon which the Robert Muller School is based will be found in the teaching set forth in the books of Alice Bailey as channeled through her by the Demon Tibetan teacher, Djwhal Khul". Robert Muller (Former UN Assistant Secretary General)

    Many critics of the United Nations have described it as a modern day `Tower of Babel`. Most were referring to man's act of spiritual arrogance that the book of Genesis tells us earned God's displeasure. To support such an unflattering characterisation today, one might draw attention to the confusing and combustible assortment of tongues, cultures, ideologies, and politics for which the "house of peace" has become justly infamous. The UN, along with its programs and policies, is ever more worthy of comparison to the Tower of Babel, as rampant idolatry and militant paganism thoroughly permeate the organization.

    The UN is gradually becoming the center of a New World Religion, a strange and evil convergence of New Age mysticism, pantheism, aboriginal animism, atheism, communism, socialism, Luciferian occultism, apostate Christianity, Islam, Taoism, Buddhism, and Hinduism. The followers and disciples of this new faith include Crystal Worshipers, Astrologers, Radical Feminists, Environmentalists, Cabalists, Humanists, Eastern Mystics, Pop Psychologists, and "liberal" clergymen whom one would normally tend to associate with the counterculture of the 1960s. But today's `worshipers` in this `New Age Movement` are just as likely to be scientists, diplomats, corporate presidents, heads of state, international bankers, and leaders of mainstream Christian churches.

    The Rio Earth Summit. "Thus, the environmental movement, while helping to advance the cause of the oil industry, is an extension of the Aquarian conspiracy, incepted by Alice Bailey, designed ultimately to foster the acceptance a one-world-religion, based on the occult, or the New Age, as it is called". David Livingstone.

    In his book `Global Tyranny Step By Step`, William F Jasper writes " At the June 1992 UN Earth Summit in Brazil, the official UN Conference on Environment and Development (UNCED) together with the Global Forum "Peoples Summit" showcased a blending of pagan aboriginal rites with an ecumenical collective of `mystical` and spiritual tenets from East and West to bring into being an unintelligible form of what was called a `Universal Faith`.

    Across the globe, the world media referred to the Rio Declaration and the 800-page blueprint for government action titled Agenda 21 as "sacred" texts. Al Gore, the leader of the U.S. Senate delegation, called for a new spiritual relationship between man and earth. Actress Shirley MacLaine was in attendance in order to add her own strange brand of psychic spirituality to the proceedings. Those Ministers from the World Council of Churches present, were there because of their affinity to the ecumenical "spirit" that uses the Hegelian Dialectic to combine a form of Christianity as thesis, with a pagan spiritualism as antithesis, resulting in a synthesis very akin to the Babylonian Mystery Religions. Another group at the summit, The Union for Natural Environment Protection, an environmental association based in Sao Leopoldo, Brazil, surprisingly declared the following about the true purpose of the W.C. of C's involvement:

    "The environmental movement is being used as a cover to promote a return to the creed of the Ancient Mysteries, in the form of the worship of mother-nature, a pagan notion that equates the goddess with earth, known among the ancient Greeks as Gaia. Originally, she is the Babylonian Ishtar, known to the Bible as Astarte, or the Egyptian Isis. This pantheistic idea has its origins in ancient paganism, and is central to the Kabbalah and all Western occult tradition, including Freemasonry and the Illuminati. Plato wrote: "We shall affirm that the cosmos, more than anything else, resembles most closely that living Creature of which all other living creatures, severally or genetically, are portion; a living creature which is fairest of all and in ways most perfect." Known as Anima Mundi, the "Soul of the World", it is related to the concept of the Neoplatonists, the Logos, or the Word, also known as the "Son of God", or the ancient dying God"

    It should be apparent to the reader that a `nexus` has been formed, connecting the major players in the push towards the One World Dictatorship, with the United Nations, The New Age Movement, and the `Greens` all interlocking at the top, with the `hidden hand` of the Illuminati pulling the strings in the background as the driving force moving us all inexorably towards the New World Order.

    The Illuminaries. Canadian Multi Millionaire Industrialist Maurice Strong , a former trustee of the Aspen Institute for Humanistic Studies and a member of the advisory council of Planetary Citizens, is a major force within the Environmental and New Age Movements. He sits on the board of directors and serves as director of finance of the Lindisfarne Center, which is located in the Episcopal Cathedral of St. John the Divine in New York, and its operation all facilitated by grants from the Lilly Endowment, the Rockefeller Brothers Fund, and the Rockefeller Foundation.
    The Institute numbers among its faculty members the `Eco-Radical` Amory Lovins and Luciferian Adept and New Age author David Spangler. We can gain some appreciation as to what is being taught at this Rockerfeller funded institute by reading Mr. Spangler's books, such as `Reflections on the Christ`, wherein he writes:

    "Lucifer, like Christ, stands at the door of man's consciousness and knocks. If man says, go away because I do not like what you represent, I am afraid of you, Lucifer will play tricks on that fellow. If man says, "Come in, and I will give to you the treat of my love and understanding and I will uplift you in the light and presence of the Christ, my outflow," then Lucifer becomes something else again. He becomes the being who carries that great treat, the ultimate treat, the light of wisdom. The reason man has come to fear Lucifer is not so much that he represents evil as because he represents experience which causes us to grow and to move beyond the levels where we have been.... Lucifer is literally the angel of experience."

    Spangler, Muller, Strong, and a host of other `names`, such as Queen Juliana of the Netherlands, Sir Edmund Hillary, Peter Ustinov, Kurt Vonnegut, Leonard Bernstein, Isaac Asimov, and Pete Seeger, are all listed as being original endorsers of the world-government-promoting Planetary Citizens. Founded by New Age luminary and former UN consultant Donald Keys, and presided over for many years by the lateNorman Cousins (CFR), the Planetary Citizens Organization has brought together and made very good use of the prestige of many leading world figures to support expansion of UN power and it's institutions.Keys, a self confessed disciple of Alice Bailey, refers to the United Nations as "the nexus of emerging planetary values" and expresses the hope that it will establish a "planetary management system.".(New Age Speak for World Government).

    Another original endorser of Planetary Citizens was Aurelio Peccei, the founder of the Club of Rome, which although initially recognised for its role in launching "no growth" environmentalism in the 1970s, has `waxed` increasingly "spiritual" in more recent years. Their quest for spiritual `wisdom` includes slavish adherence to the Blavatsky mandate dictating that Christianity, Islam, and Judaism are either excluded or denigrated.

    One of the primary avenues through which this lean toward oriental spiritualism has been spread is the Temple of Understanding, located at the same Cathedral of St. John the Divine that houses the Lindisfarne Luciferians. Begun in the early 1960s as the "spiritual counterpart of the United Nations," its founding sponsors included the following odd assortment of Establishment Insiders, socialists, humanists, communist fronts, religious figures, and entertainment celebrities:

    John D. Rockefeller IV
    then-Secretary of Defense Robert S. McNamara
    Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger
    IBM president Thomas J. Watson
    Socialist Party leader Norman Thomas
    Eleanor Roosevelt
    Time-Life president James A. Linen
    homosexual author Christopher Isherwood
    columnist Max Lerner
    entertainer Jack Benny
    With people such as the these in the vanguard, the U N's pagan spiritualism will grow ever more overt and assertive. The UN report entitled `The New International Economic Order A Spiritual Imperative` proclaims; "Today a new understanding of spirituality is emerging which recognizes that all efforts to uplift humanity are spiritual in nature. Alice Bailey said, "That is spiritual which lies beyond the point of present achievement...." ... Given this new understanding of spirituality, the work of the United Nations can be ... seen within the entire evolutionary unfoldment of humanity. The work of the U.N. is indeed spiritual and holds profound import for the future of civilization."

    The Pantheistic Smokescreen. "When you worship the sun, moon, stars, a statue, or even yourself, Lucifer is leading you astray. You are not to worship things that were created; instead you are to worship the creator. To worship anything other than the creator is giving heed to Lucifer". Fritz Springmeier `Be Wise As Serpents`.

    Since "God" in the pantheistic metaphysical system is not the almighty God of the Bible, but an impersonal, immanent force that occupies all things, then all things; the universe itself, every rock, every tree, everything, every man, every woman are "God." In this pagan world view, man is not a special creation of the one, true God, to whom, ultimately, he is answerable to. Nor is he endowed by his Creator with intrinsic, inalienable rights and duties. Thus pantheism "functions as an effective device in the undermining of a God-centered religion by transforming religion into a man-centered belief system, and thereby giving a religious sanction to the doctrines and programs of political collectivism. Pantheism can be also be utilised as a step towards bringing humanity from theism to atheistic materialism. In religion, pantheism is most often expressed as Naturalism; the doctrine that religious truth is derived from nature, not revelation.

    The June 1941 issue of the occult journal `Rosicrucian Digest` predicted that "The multiplicity of social states, countries, or nations will cease to be." That nations would be superseded by "The One United World State." The Rosicrucian's were correct in concluding that the `mystical-pantheism` they advocated would, if generally accepted, lead to a collectivist world state. And there are far too few people in the world today who understand the direct cause-and-effect relationship between the two. Father Clarence Kelly, a noted authority on occult deception writes; "Pantheism is a favorite doctrine of collectivists, because it offers a concept of man which, on religious grounds, subordinates the individual to the collective."

    Hitler And The Vril. It was Neo-Paganism that helped create the conditions which paved the way for the totalitarian collectivism of the Third Reich. The Nazi high priesthood - Hitler, Himmler, Rahn, Rosenberg, Hess, Feder, Sebot, et al. were all ardent theosophists, and their esoteric societies (the Thule, Vril, Seekers of the Grail) were steeped in the same occultism and pantheism so prevalent in today's New Age and environmental movements.

    There is a wealth of evidence that Hitler considered himself `chosen` and he is on record as having said; "I have seen the `New Man` and he is indeed terrible". It is evident that Hitler was deeply involved in the occult and that he believed that his murderous reign of terror was a `divine` mission on behalf of what he termed the `Ancient Aryan Masters`. Dietrich Eckart, a master Adept of the Thule Society and Hitlers' occult mentor, wrote, "Hitler will dance, but it is I who will call the tune! I have initiated him into the Secret Doctrine, opened his centers of vision and given him means to communicate with the powers".

    In the final chapter of his book, `The Twisted Cross`, Joseph Carr draws frightening parallels between Nazism and the New Age Movement; "One cannot argue against the claim that the Nazi world view and major elements of the New Age Movement are identical. They should be, after all for they both grew out of the same occult root: Theosophy. Their respective cosmogony, cosmology and philosophies are identical".

    The New Age and the One World Government conspiracy are intrinsic and inseparable.. Although all the various sects and cults which make up `Pantheism` may appear diverse and separate, all the basic elements are the same for the various gnostic hierarchical religions, they just have a different focus. They operate off the same principles and cooperate and function together. What are ostensibly separate and independent religious groups are actually at the very top working together and run by the same cabal in the service of the same master.

    In his epic work on the One World Religion, `Be Wise As Serpents` Fritz Springmeier answers the question most of us have asked; "Do the leaders of the cults know what is going on? In authoritative fashion, Mr Springmeier answers, "Yes, they have been orally, emphasis on that word orally told exactly what is happening. The leaders of the New Age, the Jehovah's Witnesses, and the Latter Day Saints church know what they are up to, and what their roles are in creating a one-world government".

    The Solar Logos. Throughout the Ancient World, the Sun was worshipped in many guises as God. In Babylon it was Nimrod, in Egypt- Osiris, the Canaanites worshipped Baal and in Greece, it was Apollo. The New Age Sun God is called the `Solar Logos` or `The Word` thereby blasphemously counterfeiting the Biblical Jesus Christ. In her book, `Rays and Initiations`, Alice Bailey reveals this Solar Logos as Lucifer himself. Today, as in millenia past, the Sun God is being worshipped by the New Age as divine.

    David Spangler, refers to the Sun God in these terms: "The light that reveals to us the path to the New Age `Christ` comes from Lucifer. He is the light giver. It is his light that heralds for man the dawn of a greater consciousness. The true light of this great being can only be recognised when one's own eyes see with the light of the inner sun. It is an invitation into the New Age " The ancient doctrine of the Sun God or Solar Logos melds itself easily with Pantheism, which as we have seen is at the moment a core dogma of the New Age. By denying the existence of a personal God, whilst insisting that the universe itself is God, New Agers declare that as man is part of the universe, man is also God. The Luciferian master plan cannot succeed unless people accept that there is no God who loves and cares for them. Therefore, accepting that the Moon, the Stars, the Galaxies are all Gods in themselves, the New Age Sun God or Solar Logos as humanity's master becomes a required tenet of belief and we can establish that throughout man's history, all `Sun God's have been nothing more than guises for the great deceiver, Lucifer.

    Witches believe that Lucifer is the God of the Sun, and the Sun God is also known as the `Horned God` (Lucifer is also known as the "Angel of Light). Many of the Witch's holy days revolve around the Sun such as the Yule. A large part of their belief system is the concept of the Sun weakening and the world dying, then on the Winter Solstice the Sun God Lucifer is reborn and warms the Earth. To the Ancient Latin people's, Lucifer was the Sun God, father of Aradia and the brother and lover of Diana.

    To appreciate how this adversary of God has been able to clandestinely insinuate himself into our lives, we only have to look all around at the plethora of pagan sun symbolism which now proliferate throughout society. One example of this can be found in the world of female bodybuilding, where each year, a trophy shaped in a design used to symbolize the worship of Lucifer is awarded at a major I.F.B.B. women's bodybuilding event. The meaning of this trophy is hidden from most everyone but a select few who are initiated. The trophy is in the form of an obelisk, which to those unfamiliar is a tapering, four-sided shaft that has a pyramidal top. The obelisk is a symbol that definitely has connections to Freemasonry. The obelisk is important to Masons and has roots in ancient Egypt. It is the symbol of a god worshipped by believers involved in the ancient mysteries
    The obelisk represents the Sun God Lucifer. The sun is also a major Masonic symbol. Albert Pike, who we deal with below wrote: "The sun is the ancient symbol of the life-giving and generative power of theDeity."

    Ralph Epperson, a historian and lecturer on the subject writes: "The sun was a symbol of something that only the believers in the religion...understood. These believers, ...knew that the people would not accept their mystery religion, so they had to conceal it from them. So the task became one of creating a religion around a belief that they knew the people would accept. Their basic purpose was to create a popular religion as a cover for their secret worship. They would have to keep their beliefs from the people, and conceal their secret worship in hidden symbols." Epperson continues: "The obelisk stands for the very presence of the sun god! And the sun god is Lucifer!"

    The World Religion Exposed. "The Gnostic religions are often called pagan. This pagan worship is often the exoteric cover that the first levels are initiated into. The highest level is often the real esoteric worship, and often involves direct Luciferian or Satanic worship. In other words, the Sun worship of the Masons and other groups is a fig leaf for the worship by the highest levels of the Divine Serpent Satan". Fritz Springmeier `Be Wise As Serpents `.

    "According to Alice Bailey, the Masonic movement will be the religion of the New System. Benjamin Creme, also believes Freemasonry will be the religion of the New Age. Lola Davis, another New Age leader, also sees Freemasonry as the New Age Religion" (Texe Marrs: Dark Secrets of the New Age).

    Alice Bailey wrote in 1957, "The Masonic movement... is the custodian of the law; it is the home of the Mysteries and the seat of initiation. It holds in its symbolism the ritual of Deity, and the way of salvation is pictorially preserved in its work. It is a far more occult organization than can be realised, and is intended to be the training school for the coming advanced occultists. In its ceremonials lie hid the wielding of the forces connected with the growth and life of the kingdoms of nature and the unfoldment of the divine aspects in man."

    "When the new universal religion has sway and the nature of esotericism is understood-will be the utilisation of the banded esoteric organisms, the Masonic organism and the Church organism as initiating centres. These three groups converge as their inner sanctuaries are approached. There is no dissociation between the One Universal Church, the sacred inner Lodge of all true Masons, and the inner-most circles of esoteric societies." (Taken from `Be Wise As Serpents by Fritz Springmeier).

    Has Freemasonry been underestimated as a world religion? At least one Masonic author writing to Masons felt that Masonic religious power had been underestimated. He writes,"In the past Masonry has been condemned as a shallow substitute for religion. This the Masonic body has always denied but in fact the new age revitalised Masonry will be a paralleling evolutionary way of man's approach to God, and Masonry and religion will gladly cooperate." --The Spirit of Masonry, p. 129

    Albert Pike (December 29, 1809­April 2, 1891). Albert Pike was a Luciferian who confessed Lucifer as his own God see (below quote). He was the former Sovereign General of The Supreme Council Of Grand Sovereign Inspectors, General of the 33rd Degree of The Scottish Rite. There is also compelling evidence that he founded the Ku Klux Klan.. Pike can be justifiably regarded as the most influential Freemason who ever lived. During the American Civil War, he was a confederate general who is said to have committed the most heinous atrocities of the war, yet his tomb is located just thirteen blocks from the Capitol Building in Washington DC. He was a high ranking member of the Illuminati who is still revered by the New World Order Cabal.

    In his book `Morals and Dogma`, Pike confirmed for posterity that the God of the Illuminati and the New World Order is Lucifer. He wrote; "The Masonic religion should be, by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian doctrine. . . Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay (Jesus) is also God. For the eternal law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, for the absolute can only exist as two Gods: darkness being necessary to light to serve as its foil as the pedestal is necessary to the statue, and the brake to the locomotive. "

    Pike asserted boldly and unequivocally in his book that Freemasonry is identical to the ancient mysteries, which clearly means that all their teachings in all their books are precisely the same as the Ancient, Pagan, Satanic Mysteries! Pike continues in Morals and Dogma " The true and pure philosophic religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay (Jesus); but Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the God of darkness and evil."

    Is Freemasonry The Worship Of Lucifer? There has been extensive debate as to whom the true god of Freemasonry really is. Below, I have listed some quotes from Masonic Authorities which will help clarify this piece of the puzzle. It should be understood that most Blue Degree Masons are not in thrall to Lucifer, but higher level `initiates` must participate in rituals which involve drinking from skulls whilst kneeling prostrate at a black alter adorned with serpents.

    We should furthermore take pains to know who Lucifer really is. The King James Bible records his fall from heaven following his rebellion against God thus: "How art thou fallen from heaven O Lucifer, son of the morning! How are thou cut down to the ground which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God. I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north. I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most high, yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit". Isaiah 14:12-15.

    The Scriptures name Lucifer as "That old serpent called the Devil and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world". Revelation 12:9.
    Deception in Freemasonry is witnessed time and again as one goes ever deeper into it's darkness. Albert Pike in his `Morals and Dogma writes," Masonry like all the religions, all the mysteries, conceals it's secret from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of it's symbols to mislead those who deserve only to be mislead. The Blue Degrees are but the outer court or portico of the Temple. Part of the symbols are displayed there to the Initiate, but he is intentionally mislead by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them, but it is intended he shall imagine he understands them".

    Quotes affirming Lucifer as the God of Fremasonry:

    "First conjuration address to Emperor Lucifer, Master and Prince of rebellious spirits, I adjure thee to leave thine abode in what ever quarter of the world it may be situated and come hither to communicate with me. I command and I conjure thee in thy name oh mighty living god, to appear without noise". The Book Of Black Magic by Arthur Edward Waite 33rd Degree Mason.

    "I hereby promise the Great Spirit Lucifuge, Prince Of Demons, that each year, I will bring unto him a human soul to do with as it may please him, and in return, Lucifuge promises to bestow upon me the treasures of the earth and fulfill my every desire for the length of my natural life. If I fail to bring him each year the offering specified above, then my own soul shall be forfeit to him". Signed in blood, Manly Palmer Hall 33rd Degree Freemason from his book `The Secret Teaching Of All Ages`.

    "When the Mason learns that the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the Mystery of his Craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply this energy". Manly Palmer Hall 33rd Degree `The Lost Keys Of Freemasonry`.

    " That which we must say to a crowd is; We worship a God, but it is the God that one adores without superstition. To you Sovereign Grand Inspectors General, we say this, that you may repeat it to the brethren of the 32nd, 31st, and 30th degrees. The Masonic Religion should be, by all of us initiates of the High degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian Doctrine". Albert Pike 33 rd Degree.

    " Lucifer, the son of the morning! Is it he who bears the light, and with it's splendours intolerable blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish souls? Doubt it not!" Albert Pike 33rd Degree.

    Freemasonry is truly the worship of Lucifer. Once this is understood, it becomes clear as to why they have been so anxious all these centuries to keep the lid of secrecy tightly screwed down, for if people really understood that Masonry is a worship of Lucifer, no one would join, and the citizens of most communities would rise up as one to demand that the organization be completely outlawed. Thus, you have secrets within secrets , wheels within wheels, just as the above quotes confirm.

    The Light Bearer Returns. Many believe that the New Age Movement is little more than a collection of old Hippies, Feminists and `wannabe` mystics chanting and praying to who knows what or why. But that is so far from the reality of what is a dangerous and desperate situation, as the Illuminati and their co conspirators in the New Age, through use of all the weapons of media control and information available to them, drive their New World Order project to it's logical conclusion, whilst we the people sleep walk into their `Aquarian` Dictatorship.

    In his book `Terrorism And The Illuminati`, the Canadian author David Livingstone writes: "The Illuminati claim to be descended of Fallen Angels, who taught them the "Ancient Wisdom", also known as the Kabbalah, which they have been preserving throughout the centuries. These Fallen Angels are referred to in the Bible, Book of Genesis, as the Nephilim, or "Sons of God", and were said to have descended to earth and intermarried with human beings. Christian interpretations struggle with the passage, choosing to translate the term into "mighty men". However, apocryphal Jewish texts explain that they were the devil and his legions, who were cast out of Heaven, and took wives from the female descendants of Cain. They produced a race known as the Anakim".

    It is a well researched hypothesis that it is these `Anakim` or rather their descendent's who now occupy all the positions of real power in our world. Whether they are truly the children of the Nephilim is irrelevant so long as they themselves believe that it is, and use this assumed `divine` right to rule in order to justify the increasing oppression, control and terror being enacted on all our lives.

    Conclusion: The Luciferian New Age of Aquarius is here right now and mankind has joined in rebellion against it's creator. We are giving to people, who now publicly exclaim their worship of God and man's greatest and original adversary, free reign to lead us into hell on earth in the shape of a diabolical One World tyrannical state, and the United Nations is the international temple at which humanity, through it's political and religious leaders pays homage to him, the Light Bearer - Lucifer.

    "And he shall exalt himself and magnify himself above every God, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished; for that which is determined shall be done (Dan. 11:36).

    Reference and Further Reading.
    http://www.unol.org/rms/wcc.html Robert Muller
    http://www.robertmuller.org/
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_A._Bailey
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madame_Blavatsky
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Strong#Becoming_an_entrepreneur
    Wanda Marrs : New Age Lies To Women p34
    http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/pike.htm
    (http://www.scarletsbookofshadows.freewebspace.com/whats_new.html) Wicca
    http://www.museumofwitchcraft.com/about_mow19.php) Wicca
    Terrorism & The Illuminati by David Livingstone http://www.terrorism-illuminati.com/book/toc.html
    666 Illuminati by William Josiah Sutton http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/newage_illuminati/contents.htm
    Be Wise As Serpents by Fritz Springmeier.
    Global Tyranny Step By Step by William F Jasper.
    Any of the Books on the New Age by Texe and Wanda Marrs.
    The Holy Scriptures New English Bible and King James Version.
    http://www.geocities.com/endtimedeception/worship.htm
    http://cuttingedge.org/free11.html
    http://www.masonicinfo.com/pike.htm
    The Hidden Secrets Of The Rainbow by Constance E. Cumbey.
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Sun Dec 26, 2010 1:31 am

    Where should the headquarters of a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System aka The United States of the Solar System be located? What type of building should it be? Should the USSS be completely electronic - with no building at all? I tend to think that it should be Click and Mortar. This is just intended to stimulate thought and conversation. A lot of people fear the 'Antichrist and the Mark of the Beast'. Would this concept play into the hands of the Devil? Might I be deceived - at this point - or in the future? Anything is possible - and this is a distinct possibility. Extreme caution should be exercised when thinking about this subject. The road is narrow - and the ditches are deep. But hey! Let's have some fun! St. Mary's Cathedral is the preliminary building of interest. What would Monsignor Bowe say? Here is a landing UFO view of the hypothetical headquarters of The United States of the Solar System:

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    This is a test. This is only a test. But the Roman Catholics probably don't appreciate this sort of experiment. I still think this would be a really cool place for We the People of the Solar System to make the really important decisions which affect all of us. Have any of you thought about this? This is just a visual aid to help us think about Solar System Governance. This building doesn't really look like a church - does it? I think it looks "space-age". I knew a couple of Roman Catholics who referred to this building as a 'washing-machine agitator'! True story. Can you imagine seeing a UFO parked next to this structure? It's kinda fun to think about - isn't it?! Here is the view from a UFO (filled with Plutocrats from Pluto) which has just landed (note the Venusian Delegation):

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    Post  orthodoxymoron Sun Dec 26, 2010 8:15 am

    Here is one perspective of what the future holds: http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/

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    Sherry Shriner presents an extreme view - even when just considering alien research and ufology. I keep my eye and ear on her shows and websites - but I don't parrot what she believes and presents - and I have never used orgone or methamphetamines. I'm not that kind of guy. I try to sample a wide variety of perspectives - while following none of them. I try to remain detached and aloof. If Sherry is right - could I be making a big mistake regarding what I presented in the previous post? Once again - I don't really know what is going on in this world, solar system, galaxy, or universe - so I just keep stumbling around in the dark. Please consider as many options as possible before arriving at any conclusions. I continue to treat most of this stuff as science fiction - but reality could be stranger than fiction.

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    Post  orthodoxymoron Sun Dec 26, 2010 2:30 pm

    One more time - this thread is all about getting YOU to think about Solar System Governance. CONSIDER EVERY CONCEIVABLE POSSIBILITY. I'm just scratching the surface with this (and other) threads. I am passively pushing an editorial slant in this thread - as an experiment. If one does not stand for something - they end up falling for anything. So, I am attempting to work outward from the six words "Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System". I would be pleased if people, throughout the solar system, incorporated these words into their particular situations - in their own time, and in their own way. This thread should be used as a mental and spiritual gymnasium. Go through it a couple of times - and ARRIVE AT YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS. Don't be herded or spoon-fed by anyone - mainstream or alternative. THINK FOR YOURSELF. But you regulars already know this. I'm printing this mostly for the visitors (and spies) to this site. I'm teetering between sanity and insanity - heaven and hell - so don't follow me! In five years - most people might be onboard with this thread - but I might be fighting it by then!! Namaste.


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    Post  Mercuriel Sun Dec 26, 2010 2:58 pm

    This is an Awesome Video. Please watch It as It will tie into the Issues You and I have been discussing lately.

    Video > The Secret behind Secret Societies

    That said - As an aside to providing a more detailed answer to You about Lucifer choosing / not choosing Annihilation - I will have to Post that answer to You on Tuesday.

    The reason being that as I sat at home last night going over what I was going to detail in displaying this - I realized that I needed to make up some Diagrams and such as visual aids to go along with the display of that Info. As I am @ Work today and tomorrow - I will have to create them at Home. The PCs here don't really have any good Imaging Programs to use for that purpose.

    Now as I'm doing 12 Hour Shifts - When I get Home I don't have alot of time to do much of anything before I have to go to Bed for the next day's Work - So - If You would be so gracious as to allow Me to reply to the Lucifer Issue once I'm off on Tuesday - I'd appreciate It greatly.

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    Post  orthodoxymoron Sun Dec 26, 2010 3:04 pm

    Thank-you for the video, Mercuriel - and I'll be looking forward to your post on Tuesday. I previously watched this video - and it is quite good. It should be viewed repeatedly. I have an SDA background - but I am no longer a member. However - 'The Great Controversy' by Ellen White - should be carefully studied. 'The Gods of Eden' by William Bramley is a must-read regarding the esoteric. The more I research - the less I seem to know - but I will keep trying. It is important to study history - lest we keep repeating the absurdities and atrocities. But I really wish to focus on the idealistic views regarding contemporary solar system governance - hence this thread. I just wish to hijack the historical and contemporary madness - and create a perfected humanity and a perfected solar system. Studying the United Nations, Washington D.C., the City of London, the Vatican, and the Secret Government - is extremely important. I presently think these power centers are a mixture of good and evil. I wish to learn from history - engage in idealistic hypothesizing - and then help to make things better. I realize that this is going to be very problematic and messy. I truly don't hate anyone - but I do wish for everything to improve significantly. This world has been a horrible mess for a very long time. I don't wish to cut anyone loose - or cut anyone out. This thread is intended to lift EVERYONE up. Hope springs eternal.

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    Post  Mercuriel Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:42 pm

    Its good to know that You've seen the Video I mentioned and Linked. It will help greatly in the explanation to follow.

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    Post  orthodoxymoron Sun Dec 26, 2010 6:07 pm

    I really don't wish to imitate a pig - and just root around in the dirt and mud. I'd really like to spend most of my time on idealistic flights of fantasy! Can't we just all get along??

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    Post  orthodoxymoron Sun Dec 26, 2010 10:02 pm

    I'd like to press forward with the previously posted material below. I'd really like to know the complete history of all types of technology, governments, religions, etc. The history of genetic hybridization especially interests me. I feel somewhat close to learning what actually happened - yet I feel as though I might never find out the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. I'd really like to know the true state of affairs just prior to the Luciferian Rebellion and War in Heaven. What were the motivating factors? How can we properly proceed as a civilization - if we don't know our true history? It seems as if we have been dumbed-down and held-down for thousands or even millions of years. This seems to be ongoing. What was the Original Sin? What really went wrong? Why is there a Continuing Sin? How will this madness be properly resolved? By keeping everyone in the dark? Is it possible that Lucifer stole all manner of technology (Fire from the Gods?) - including genetic hybridization - and got a multitude of souls (Fallen Angels?) to go along with him/her in this matter? Did an extensive technology and hybridization program commence in secrecy - while keeping humanity (as we know humanity to be) completely in the dark regarding all of this? Is the rest of the universe unable to do anything about this because we are being held hostage - and used as human shields? Or - are we all a party to the madness - whether we remember agreeing to the rebellion, or not? Someone needs to start telling the truth - with absolutely no bull$h!t. It seems to me that we need some sort of a changing of the guard in this solar system - or some sort of a solar system governmental change. I have expressed certain preferences - but I don't know the whole story, or what is really going on - so take everything I have said, with a boatload of salt. I certainly hope that those who are in the top positions in this solar system - really know what the hell they are doing - and that they are doing that which is in the very best interest of the human race. Of course, I wish for things to work out well for all races - but I don't have a clue regarding what any other races are really like. I'm just very tired of what seems to be an endless stream of bull$h!t. I want this to stop NOW.

    On the 'Red Pill' thread http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t791p795-egyptian-folklore-and-the-red-pill?highlight=red+pill Carol wrote: "Although I did post this elsewhere I think it really goes here as I had this intuitional flash and this is what makes the most sense to me based on what I do know about ET and our planet. As I mentioned earlier, the NWO has stepped up its agenda. I'm convinced that many politicians have been eliminated and replaced with clones. What better way to insure they get through their nefarious NWO global agendas. Of course I do have a wild imagination... based on reality. And my reality is a bit broader based then the average citizen. I know for a fact, based on first hand reports from someone I personally have met and spent time with, that the ET clones had wiped out the original underground and undersea ET bases in Italy of their creators and taken over various corporations. If one wants to delve deeper into how this particular group of ETs (clones) are taking over the planet... just start with reading Mass Contacts by Stefano Breccia http://shop.1asecure.com/prod.cfm?ProdID=370402&StID=5503 He actually brought along the voice recordings of one of the clones. No one would be able to recognize the difference except that perhaps they don't have a soul. Those with "second" sight would know. And there are those with "second" sight are also being hunted down by the shadow government as well so they tend to hide out and stay very low key. The original ETs were very positive, however, their clones turned on them and are without compassion... the clones are much more technologically oriented. Then we have the reptilian agenda that have been here a bit longer then the clones and of course, add to the mix the Greys. The reality is that the war we are really battling is who gets to control our planets resources, including humankind. So the question which begs to be answered is this, "Who really is controlling all of these political agendas?" And I do see the battle lines being drawn - and I do pity politicians as they will be the first targeted by the common man once they realize the truth and look at voting records along with personal bank accounts. A yacht on the high seas or a bunker underground will end up being the only safe places left for these types once the populace revolts. Meanwhile, I take comfort in the reality that there are more of us then them and we still have a slim chance to play this game out to the advantage of the planet and her children in the short time remaining because humankind is ready for its DNA upgrade."

    orthodoxymoronic reponse: This sounds like Humans creating Cylons in 'Battlestar Galactica'. Did ancient Humans create all manner of hybrids - including the Dracs, Greys, and Annunaki - with forbidden technology (possibly obtained from Regressive Interdimensional Reptilians?). Did they obtain and/or invent computers, nukes, antigravity-spacecraft etc. Did they enslave the hybrids, and demand worship? Did the hybrids rebel (led by Lucifer?) - and confiscate most of the forbidden technology? Did the hybrids steal 'Fire from the Gods'? Are the 'aliens' really rebel hybrids - who we created? Does the 'Original Sin' involve all of the above? Have the renegade hybrids been raising hell with us for thousands of years? Are they presently considering exterminating us? If we somehow eliminated or removed the renegade hybrids - would all of the fancy technology be in the best of hands - or the worst of hands? Do we need the hybrids to reign us in? Should my fantasy of a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System include hybrids? If most of my questions are answered affirmatively - how should this mess properly be resolved? If reincarnation is a reality - I am very afraid regarding what I might have done, or who I might have been. Progressive Interdimensional Reptilians vs Regressive Interdimensional Reptilians? The Great Controversy Between Christ and Satan in the Conflict of the Ages?

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    Post  orthodoxymoron Mon Dec 27, 2010 9:02 am

    What would an optimal Solar System Administrator be like? Is there one presently? Are they a good one? Has Lucifer been the Solar System Administrator (SSA) for a very long time? Are they doing this presently? Are the advanced weapons in the best of hands - or the worst of hands? Should an SSA have absolute power? If not - how many people should they share the power with? If there are too few at the top - there is an increased possibility of corruption, or of someone going rogue. If there are too many at the top - there is an increased possibility of confusion, and lack of response-ability. I have pointed to the possibility of a 10,000 member Solar System Government - but should there be a Security Council with say 100 members - who would bear the ultimate responsibility for the really nasty weaponry? My preference would be no nasty weaponry whatsoever - but I don't know how hostile and dangerous this universe really is. I continue to fly blind, barefoot, and stupid. If there is a switch from the present Secret Government to a more open Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System - should ALL of the existing top-level Powers That Be - be retained - regardless of past misdeeds? Might this be necessary to provide continuity and expertease? I frankly think there should be some bad@$$ heavyweight Mason/Nazi/Jesuit/Luciferian/Illuminati types (under very close watch) to guide a transition - and to possibly stay on for an extended period - especially if the galactic environment is hostile and uncertain. I tend to be very idealistic - but I'm not exactly a Mason/Nazi/Jesuit/Luciferian/Illuminati B@D@$$ - if you know what I mean. There is a time and a place for everyone and everything. Some might find what I just said to be highly contradictory and even upsetting - and I'm not really sure myself. Tell me what you think. Could Lucifer ever become Christ-like? I think this might be a distinct possibility - but I don't really know. What would Raven say? I would think that an SSA should be very, very knowledgeable - yet very low-key. I also think they should not have a lot of power - and that they should simply observe, ask questions, and occasionally make recommendations - but that the final authority should reside elsewhere - to avoid the corruption and mindgames connected with absolute power. I don't know what the hell I'm talking about - but it's a bit interesting to think about - don't you think? I continue to think that We the People of the Solar System need to be a lot more informed and responsible. We shouldn't just leave everything up to the B@D@$$ DUDES. I continue to be alarmed at the seeming lack of interest in this extremely important topic. Again - I might be completely wrong about everything connected with SSG - but where are the alternatives, and the vigorous discussion? But - I guess this is job security for the B@D@$$ DUDES...

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    Post  orthodoxymoron Mon Dec 27, 2010 7:24 pm

    I'm rewatching 'Star Wars III - Revenge of the Sith' - and it contains many lessons relevant to The United States of the Solar System. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1YzX8mOhB0&feature=related "So this is how liberty dies - with thunderous applause." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNAHjsAnTd4 Consider rewatching it yourselves. May the Force Be With You.

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    Post  orthodoxymoron Mon Dec 27, 2010 8:49 pm

    You know - I would like to have a Secret Government type of individual set me straight - regarding how the Solar System should be run. It would probably be a very painful and humiliating experience - but I would welcome it, just the same. I welcomed getting cussed-out by Raven - because at least someone felt strongly about the issues involved - and about my ignorance and stupidity. I'll take interest wherever I can get it - regardless of whether it is positive or negative. This pursuit is really a strange mixture of politics, religion, psychology, ethics, law, science-fiction, etc. The reality of Solar System Governance might actually be quite boring - most of the time. It might be a monumental disappointment to rise to the top - all the way to the Darkside of the Moon - and then not like the view - in more ways than one. This little tempest in a teapot, on this thread, might actually be more exciting - most of the time. I still think it's fun to think about actual situations and scenarios which might play out at USSS Headquarters. I live such a dull, boring, and non-productive life - that I have to get my jollies wherever I can. This thread is one of those places. Won't someone join me in my descent into madness?


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    Post  orthodoxymoron Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:35 am

    UPON THIS ROCK (I know these are fighting words - but I'm already too deeply into this thing):

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    9.5 Theses:

    1. Replace Canon Law with the Teachings of Jesus.

    2. Institute a Modified Latin Mass (with no communion - emphasizing the remembrance of Christ and His Teachings - rather than His Sacrifice) - offering Masses seven days a week - with no preference regarding the day or days of attendance.

    3. Base All Homilies, Theology, and Ritual Upon the Teachings of Jesus.

    4. Eliminate Penance and Confession (replacing both with psychological and spiritual counseling).

    5. Allow Women to be Priests and Popes.

    6. Allow Priests to Marry and Popes to Marry (and eliminate all blasphemous titles).

    7. Eliminate All Crucifixes (The bloody, dying, and mostly naked Jesus should not be paraded and displayed).

    8. Be Completely Honest Regarding the History of the Church, the World, the Solar System, the Galaxy, and the Universe.

    9. Institute a Program of Responsible Reproduction (lifting the ban on birth-control).

    9.5. Base Civil and Church Governance on the U.S. Constitution.


    ORTHODOXYMORON GUIDESTONE:

    1. BASE THIS SOLAR SYSTEM UPON RESPONSIBILITY AND THE U.S. CONSTITUTION.

    2. MAINTAIN AN EARTH HUMAN POPULATION OF FOUR BILLION (TWO BILLION SURFACE - TWO BILLION SUBSURFACE) AND FOUR BILLION THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE SOLAR SYSTEM (MOSTLY SUBSURFACE).

    3. BASE PHYSICAL, MENTAL, AND SPIRITUAL HEALTH UPON PREVENTION.

    4. MAINTAIN A PRISTINE ENVIRONMENT.

    5. USE ELECTRICAL POWER FOR NEARLY EVERYTHING, AND UTILIZE MAGNETO-LEVITON TRAINS FOR MOST GLOBAL TRANSPORTATION.


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    Post  orthodoxymoron Tue Dec 28, 2010 5:53 pm

    Check this out! http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=9562 Competition! We should welcome competition - right?! When something is our idea - we take more pride in it - don't we? This galactic constitution seems to be sort of a business venture. Is this a good idea? I've just been brainstorming openly on the internet - with no sense of ownership. Is this a good idea? At this point - I really feel like focusing on business - because I'm tired of being poor - and having no respect. I'm really at the bottom of the barrel- and I feel terrible. Once again - money talks and bs walks. Why should I continue making post after pointless post? What's the point? Why should I continue working hard to get myself into more and more trouble? How can everyone on Earth feel important? If one focuses upon galactic issues - they might have a nervous breakdown. If one focuses upon business - they might become a millionaire or billionaire - live in a waterfront mansion with 1,000 forrested acres - and have a really sexy spouse. Decisions, decisions. Everything seems to boil down to fame, fortune, power, and pleasure - but does the pursuit of these things provide us with an ideal solar system? But when one tries to make things better - they seem to be ignored and/or they end up on everyone's fecal-list. So - if anyone reads this - tell me what to do. My pursuit of Sol Governance has left me S.O.L.

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    The United States Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton verified the sovereignty of The Galactic Government and businesses organized under the Galactic Business Corporations Act of 2005 on Dec. 8, 2009. The signed document includes The Declaration of Galactic Independence, The Constitution of the Galactic Government and The Galactic Business Corporations Act of 2005. A copy of the signed document with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s verification [is] available at http://www.galacticgovernment.info/USRecGG.pdf. “I am pleased that the United States has recognized the Galactic Government and our works,” said Galactic Government President, Dennis Hope, “We have been working to provide equality for all both governmentally and economically. Having The United States of America as a partner is gratifying and humbling.” The citizens of the Galactic Government ratified the formation of the current pro tem and the structure of the full government in April of 2004 and diplomatic out-reach began shortly there after. “We have been in contact with several dozen countries around the world,” states Galactic Government Secretary of State Vincent Hamm, “and though interest in opening diplomatic relations with our government appears high, the diplomatic process can be slow. We are hopeful that, with the United States recognizing us, that other countries will be contacting us to solidify diplomatic ties.” The primary architect of the agreement, Attorney General Wes Faires says: “It is an honor to be part of the Galactic Government and to have been instrumental in validating all we stand for.” Negotiations are commencing with the United Nations. Anyone interested in dual citizenship with their current Earth country and The Galactic Government should visit http://www.lunarembassy.com and purchase property on one of the solar bodies listed there. The Galactic Government is a free and open government promoting governmental and economic equality and opportunity for all. For more information contact: Dr. Dennis Hope, President; 1329 US Highway 395 North, Suite 10-281; Gardnerville, NV 89410; +1.702.991.1232, US toll free 1-800-LUNAR-29; info@lunarembassy.com or Mr. Wes Faires, Attorney General; 885 Woodstock Road, Suite 430, Box 330; Roswell, GA 30075; +1.404.409.4468; wes@orions-belt.com or Dr. Vincent S. Hamm, Secretary of State; PO Box 1417; Golcen, CO 80402; +1.303.271.1288; secretarystate@galacticgov.info Article from: PRLog.org

    Declaration of Galactic Independence

    While respecting the history of the United States of America on the planet Earth, we the property owners and soon to be dual citizens of both Celestial property and Earth countries, do appreciate the words and essence of the Declaration of Independence of 1776. There comes a time when all persons must break away from the constraints and misconceptions of the perceived good. Human history has shown the citizens on planet Earth when governments enact arbitrary laws that are ambiguous, self serving, and counter productive to certain unalienable rights that are among these: Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness that tolerance of the governed is abandoned. We are entering an age of Universal knowledge replete with the dynamics of the human experience. Our Pioneering spirit has been awakened. We seek the satisfaction of not only owning celestial lands but also inhabiting, developing and nurturing them as well. In keeping with the traditions of governments as we see them through history we find boundless intervention to stop the fulfillment of all humans to exercise our rights to possession of these truly inalienable lands. When it comes to pass that provision of expected access to those lands is denied by the governments it becomes the responsibility of the citizens and property holders of those celestial bodies to take drastic actions. Conceptually we see the truth as being self-evident that all people are created equal. Governments’ actions do not seem consistent with this concept and so we are adapting accordingly. It is because of the actions of the governments on planet Earth that we the landlords of the celestial lands in the Solar System including all moons and planets as we know them and for the ones to be discovered excluding Earth, take the peaceful resolution to inform all governments on planet Earth that we have democratically achieved our resolve to become a free sovereignty. As a free sovereignty it is our desire to create a working relationship with the governments of planet Earth so foundations and mutual respect might be achieved early in our growth. If it were not for the decades of historic records showing the monumental steps made in support of human rights by the Earth governments we recognize that we would have little chance to succeed with our quest. It is because of the lessons learned from the Earth governments that we are capable of rational expectations that we will succeed in our bid for sovereignty. We, the Human Beings and celestial property owners on the planet Earth, do hereby declare our intention to become self ruling, so that we might venture forth to find a new combined destiny of self promotion and colonization. Read full declaration [Page 2, 3]

    Interesting clauses of note found within "The Constitution of the Galactic Government":

    Article. I. Section 1. All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the Galactic Government located within New Hope City, Sea of Tranquility, Moon of Earth, as well as some areas on the planet Earth, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.

    Clause 6: Until the population of 25,000 inhabitants has been achieved for a specific state, representatives may reside on Earth as well as their respective state.

    Clause 4: Taxation of citizenry by the Galactic Government shall never be imposed unless for the immediate raising of funds to provide security and major problem resolution to the citizenry and in any case may never rise above a 5% flat rate on all citizenry and as a percentage all citizenry will pay the same flat rate. Individual states within the union may not set taxation rates on citizens above a 5% flat rate for all citizens and no citizen shall be required to pay a greater than 10% cumulative rate to all levels of government. Restrictions of two years are set in place for these taxable times. At the end of the conflict or problems solved the tax base will be repealed to 0% until next needed. This clause shall never be changed or infringed upon.

    Section. 8. Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the Galactic Government; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the union;

    Clause 2: To borrow Money on the credit of the Galactic Government;

    Clause 13: To provide and maintain a Galactic Guard;

    Clause 14: To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and space Forces;

    Clause 15: To provide for calling forth the Legions to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

    Clause 8: Because of the uniqueness of its origins the Galactic Government shall entertain and accept the idea of creating a position for the founder of the Galactic Government, Dennis M. Hope who shall act as President of the Galactic Government until the first election. He shall also retain the title of CEO ( Celestial Executive Officer) of the Galactic Government and until his natural death and shall hold a place of distinction and high regard within the Galactic Government.

    (There is much, much more information to be gleaned from the large, 102 page document pertaining to the now fully recognized, lawfully binding, rights and entitlements of the Galactic Government. PDF) http://www.galacticgovernment.info/USRecGG.pdf

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