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When peace like a river, attendeth my way,
When sorrows like sea billows roll;
Whatever my lot, Thou hast taught me to say,
It is well, it is well, with my soul.

It is well, with my soul,
It is well, with my soul,
It is well, it is well, with my soul
.
Though Satan should buffet, though trials should come,
Let this blessed assurance control,
That Christ has regarded my helpless estate,
And hath shed His own blood for my soul.

My sin - O the joy of this glorious thought! -
My sin, not in part but the whole,
Is nailed to the cross, and I bear it no more,
Praise the Lord, praise the Lord, O my soul!

For me, be it Christ, be it Christ hence to live:
If Jordan above me shall roll,
No pang shall be mine, for in death as in life,
Thou wilt whisper Thy peace to my soul.

But Lord, 'tis for Thee, for Thy coming we wait,
The sky, not the grave, is our goal;
Oh, trump of the angel! Oh, voice of the Lord!
Blessed hope, blessed rest of my soul.

And Lord, haste the day when my faith shall be sight,
The clouds be rolled back as a scroll;
The trump shall resound, and the Lord shall descend,
Even so, it is well with my soul.

Horatio G. Spafford - 1873

COULD WE GET ALEX JONES TO PUT HIS ARM AROUND DAVID ROCKEFELLER??!!

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All of my life they said be quiet
Be quiet for crying out loud
Taking the easy way isn't an easy way
Even a fool when he is silent
People will think he's wise
Taking the easy way isn't an easy way
In your footprints this is what I read
Tell the children
Tell them what I said
Tell all nations
Tell them I'm not dead
My yoke is easy and my burden is light
My yoke is easy and my burden is light
I might be taken by my sadness and still be filled with joy
Taking the easy way isn't an easy way
I have taken to sing my silent song
Taking the easy way isn't an easy way
My hearts bursting, bursting with your Word
I will tell them, tell them what I've heard
Some though brokenhearted will be cured
For there is healing, healing in Your wings
Yes, there is healing, healing in Your wings
So I take you into my weakness
I'm weak but You are strong
Taking the easy way isn't an easy way
Learning of You has made me give up
Give up all that I am
Taking the easy way isn't an easy way
Transformation in every word
Relocation, hell to heavenward
Education says that You're absurd
Taking the narrow road isn't an easy way
Taking the narrow road isn't an easy way
Taking the easy way isn't an easy way

THE GREATEST POSSIBILITY THINKER WHO EVER LIVED...

orthodoxymoron wrote:Once again, this thread is intended to be a mental and spiritual exercise. I try to make you think, laugh, get mad, get scared, and look at a lot of different things from a lot of different angles. Take all of this seriously, but not too seriously. I am trying to help us avoid the 'Deer in the Headlights' phenomenon, in connection with all of the controversial, confusing, and conflicting material. It's a combination of a zoo and a jungle out there, and I don't think things are going to get any easier any time soon. In fact, I think things might get a lot worse, and they might not get better for a very long time. But do try to treat all of this as science fiction, which might contain some truth, and if it gets too hard to deal with, just move on to something else. A lot of my writing is speculative and intuitive, and I have not exhaustively researched the topics which I address. But I have tried to get as close to the truth as I possibly can, and I have not tried to deceive or mislead anyone. I have also not tried to make a fast buck, although judging from my dismal financial situation, I probably should have. I might write some sort of a science fiction book to try to help pay my bills. Take everything I say with a sea of salt, and with extreme discernment. Probably half of what I say is utter BS, or pure, unmitigated popycock. Consider all of this to be a grand adventure, even if it is very difficult and painful for you. We will all make it through this madness somehow. Namaste.

B.B.Baghor wrote: ortho's words: "I wish to move-on to Clean Sheet of Stone Solutions -- but History must be properly handled -- so as to provide a Sustainable Foundation for New Theologies and Philosophies. For me -- studying theology is sort of like the guy who hits himself over the head with a hammer -- because it feels so good when he quits!!"

Some parts of your posts, like the last sentence in this one above, could well fit in the Humour thread, ortho, You keep hitting the nail on its head, it seems, in your view on studying theology and other statements you make about how you manage and maintain your thread. If I've understood your explanations in your thread, ortho, your intention is to invite members and visitors here and to discuss its content and find understanding and clarity due to that.

Thank-you B.B. All of this involves a rarely achieved understanding of the world, solar system, and universe -- which I suspect "Top-People" understand very clearly. This is NOT a touchy-feely support-group. This is a royal-model walk on the wild-side!! It involves a lot of experience and experiences -- along with material provided by others. What people (and other than people) do with this is up to them.

I keep coming back at my trying to understand, what it is that you're looking for in your thread. I'm having a go at it and move forward, by groping and trying, no hunt for an answer as if the end of this discussion should be near. The question mark may remain in it, if you get what I mean. To me it looks like this, that you show up in your thread in two different ways (or roles, deliberately chosen?)

I guess I'm attempting to give substance to my suppositions. This discussion might never end. This is about Revelation and Mystery. A "Space-Cowboy" Individual of Interest spoke to me about "Mystery" in an approving manner. They also spoke about the "good-side" of Anna in "V" in an approving manner. They spoke to me about pre-cognition and remote-viewing (with military-applications). They spoke to me about who should "really run the world". They spoke to me about how UFO's work (something about gravity and always falling). They spoke of wishing to construct a UFO. They spoke of working with the Pentagon. They spoke to me about Orion. They reminded me of the "Cowboy" in Mulholland Drive.

At times you're the observer looking at its content from without, which seems to be the intention of the initial plan, with your US of the SS-Final Cut. At other times you're the person actively present in your thread, sharing your observations and feelings on how you see yourself doing and the probable futility of it in the eyes of others, as you seem to perceive may be the case.

I pretend to be someone I'm not -- to create a Science-Fictional Psycho-Drama -- to make points which could not otherwise be made. This mostly seems to have fallen on "deaf-ears". It's probably mostly a personal-exercise which I am sharing with a few alphabet-interns. I wonder how many of them have gone nuts? I'm actually being somewhat serious.

This seems to come from within you, ortho, as if it's felt that way, real time. If this is what you call "modelling", I can't say I understand what you mean by that and what it's purpose is. And besides, I'm not sure if that's what it is, ortho. Is it with the intention to share your large amount of documentation and views, to see if they're appreciated as subjects for a discussion? Without the need to find understanding, for this is already material that is understood by you?

It sometimes seems as if I am "Channeling-Myself". I sometimes imagine myself in important historical, contemporary, and prophetic roles -- so as to provide myself and others with rare-insights into the "Way Things Might've Been or Might Be" as the "Saddest Words That Fingers Can Type". I've actually found some remarkable evidences that I might be some sort of a "Significant Historical Soul" -- but I have no idea whether that would be a good-thing, or not. Some of my questions are rhetorical -- but most are inquisitive. I keep hoping that the right-individuals will systematically and exhaustively answer my many questions (here or in some other context).

Or is your need of understanding, with the help of discussions, that you welcome here? I risk wrapping conclusions around my questioning here, due to a groping for my understanding. Forgive me if that's perceived that way, by you, ortho. This is the thing, you see, we always have to deal with being at risk in misunderstanding, for the difficulty of only exchanging views in this virtual way. I can imagine there must be some sort of strong drive in you, connected to an urge to find a way to a life with purpose. To me, it seems to be like this, that you feel the clarity for finding it is present outside of you.

I doubt that I will find a "Purposeful-Life" in "Real-Life" so I am forced to construct a "Significant-Existence" in Cyberspace as some sort of a "Cyberspace-Cowboy". I am often forced to bring discussions from other threads into this thread -- so as to artificially manufacture conversation within this particular thread. I often seem to be "shunned" on this site -- and in "real-life".

To me, at times, there seems to have happened a reversal of priorities, in the way you handle your thread, as if the exploring and research that you do, have moved to the first position, as a goal in itself. For I see you asking questions, asking questions about the asked questions, ignoring investigations by others sometimes due to the insistent questioning popping up in you. At times, reading parts of your posts, I wonder if there are answers that will satisfy you, if they're searched for.

The Rare Responses by Others are often catalysts for further questioning and speculation. Most of the material on this thread is the work of others (ignored or otherwise). Responses are sometimes off-topic -- and I seek to stay on track -- which might appear to be ignoring various responders. Thinking deeply about the words of others does not always produce direct-responses from me. I'm sometimes a bit like a psychiatrist or psychologist asking leading questions. Jesus asked a lot of questions. Consider reading Jesus: An Interview Across Time by Dr. Andrew G. Hodges. http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Interview-Psychiatrist-Christs-Humanity/dp/0825427908

I truly wonder what will happen if you at any given moment will find an answer or give up this quest, quieting that mind of yours. I don't mean to suggest that you should stop posting, ortho, I simply wonder in what way your arrival at the end of your quest, feeling that you've found the answers you need, will affect you. Do you expect to feel you will miss the ponder and wonder, the multifaceted way of reflecting on topics that you express in your thread here in the Mists? It's a genuine question, I hope you will perceive it that way

The quest will probably become so dark and controversial that I will be forced to not talk about it publicly or privately. This thing might honestly end in tragedy and great sorrow. I'm NOT expecting a happy-ending.

B.B.Baghor wrote:Thank you for highlighting this SaLuSa material, ortho. Just to understand you better, is your encounter with the people who were followed by an UFO and had after-death encounters, in a way connected to the SaLuSa messages?

There is no connection (as far as I know) -- other than being supernatural and otherworldly. This thread is just a big melting-pot of strange roads-less-traveled. There is a basic theme -- but I try not to get into harangue-mode. I just seem to make everyone angry with my irreverent and questioning approach -- as I search for solutions which might ultimately benefit everyone.

I've always paid attention to those messages by SaLuSa, for I feel an energy of loving kindness in them. I'm, like you, no devotee or disciple, of beings or organizations. I fell in the cauldron of religion and had enough of the magic potion for the remaining part of my life   I found that the general view on our soul-purpose/journey, by SaLuSa, is similar to the one in the message by Jeshua, I posted today. In the Mercedes Kirkel thread.

B.B.Baghor wrote:

Christ's face in window Presbyteran Church Albany
Photo by David Hinchen

Received by Mercedes Kirkel  On February 5, 2015

Yeshua: What I wish to bring forth is very simple, perhaps not easy, but nonetheless simple. It is about healing.

There is really only ever one healing, which is the healing of separation from God. All other healing is a variation upon that, a certain frequency within that, which an individual may be more open to receiving in a particular moment. Ultimately, it does not matter if someone is healed physically or not. Certainly we care about others. Certainly our heart wishes others to be in their wellness, in their wholeness. Yet there are times, quite a few times, when it is pain that draws someone to God. So the healing is never about relieving pain or suffering. The healing is about relieving separation from God.

You cannot necessarily tell this to people, unless they are ready to hear it, because they won’t understand. You may choose to offer healing of pain or suffering, and that may support someone in their path of coming closer to God. But ultimately, it is not your job to relieve anyone of pain. Your job is to fulfill your path of offering your gifts and service—to God and to the world—in the way that is most right for you. Then let go of the results because the results are divinely orchestrated. You are playing your part in this divine orchestra.

This is what I wish to offer. Are there any questions you wish to ask?

Question: In my particular case, is doing healing work one of the possible things that helps me to fully express my soul?

Yeshua: You will always know what helps you to express your soul because the things your soul is choosing for its expression are the things that connect you to God. So this is the measure you can use to determine if something is your path. Ultimately, you do healing for yourself, because it is your path to do so and by following your path you are connecting to God. It is your connection to God that serves others, more than anything you do to alter their circumstance. Your connection to God helps them most directly to connect to God. If healing is the pathway through which you can offer that, then that is your path. If chewing bubble gum is the pathway through which you can offer that, that is your path. It does not matter.

Questioner: I also feel close to God through gardening.

Yeshua: Yes. And there are all sorts of ways that you bless the Earth and all the people on the Earth through every touch of the Earth. There are infinite ways to serve. It is all about your connection to God and what lights you up, what brings your joy, what brings you passion—which is simply the energy of God filling you.

Questioner: (crying) That’s what I miss the most about my daughter [who died]. I felt like the love of God would shine through her eyes. Almost immediately after she died, I realized I’m left here on Earth to create that, without having it be for her.

Yeshua: Yes, you are understanding perfectly.

Questioner: The beauty that I saw in her was just God’s love shining through.

Yeshua: Absolutely. That is all there is. That is all this realm consists of. Any being stays in this realm until they realize that and become God’s light themselves. Then they are ready to leave and continue in another realm.

Questioner: My mother, in her dementia, has been screaming out that she was abused when she was younger. The doctors are wondering if this really happened, but I have no proof. Can you tell me if this actually happened?

Yeshua: You are not understanding what’s happening correctly.

The mind is a filter. The mind filters out the vast amount of information contained in your whole universe, which is the kind of information that exists in the Akashic Record—the information of everything. This would totally overwhelm beings and they would be nonfunctional if they received all this information. So the mind filters this out. When someone has dementia, they are losing their filter. So your mother is opening up to massive amounts of information that may be hers and may be others’.

Ultimately, it does not matter if this happened to her or did not happen to her, if it happened to her in this lifetime or if it happened to her in another lifetime. It does not matter. It is her reality now. She is experiencing this now. So you should relate to her as though this is what’s happening now.
Give her the exact response you would give her if this were definitely the truth and her real situation—because it is, for her.

She may very well need healing. I would say she definitely needs compassion and a safe space to express her pain. Support her in expressing her pain and allow her to do so. Let her know, “Yes, yes, I hear how much pain you’re in, how painful and awful that must have been. Is there more you want to share?” Let her share. And help her, just as you would if this had happened recently.

I offer you my deepest, fullest blessings".

2015 Mercedes Kirkel, http://www.mercedeskirkel.com, All Rights Reserved. Permission is given to share this message as long as the message is posted in its entirety, nothing has been changed or altered in any way, and Mercedes Kirkel’s credit of authorship, this copyright notice, and Mercedes Kirkel’s website (http://www.mercedeskirkel.com) are included. To receive ongoing messages from Mary Magdalene and others, go to http://www.mercedeskirkel.com and sign up for the Into The Heart weekly newsletter.

orthodoxymoron wrote:My focus on the concept of the Science-Fictional Hybrid-Queen is somewhat reflective of Lilith -- Isis -- the Queen of Sheba -- the Black Madonna -- Cleopatra -- and Mary Magdalene. I tend to gravitate toward the Mean-Queen Theme. What Would Bloody-Mary Do?? Do you really wanna know??? I am presently very-open and very-skeptical toward just about everyone and everything -- including most of the material I post on "my" thread. Anybody can write or say just about anything. A lot of religious stuff is very difficult (or even impossible) to verify. Lawyer-Like Theologians and Preachers can slant things in a most dishonest and nefarious manner. A channeled religious-figure could really be some demonic-entity (for all anyone knows). I honestly don't know if I am fundamentally good or bad (especially in previous incarnations). Life is really a big annoying question-mark for me. I have a particular editorial-slant -- but I am even skeptical of that. I have no idea how much I think and say is representative of the way things really are. No idea at all. I'm presently reading a book about Mary Magdalene by Lynn Picknett. It's quite fine -- but I'm reading it with a Dead-Sea of Salt. http://www.amazon.com/Mary-Magdalene-Lynn-Picknett/dp/0786713119/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1426017841&sr=8-1&keywords=lynn+picknett Tradition and history have made of her "the other Mary." Even in the New Testament Mary Magdalene stands among women second only to Mary the Mother, albeit she has been reduced by the biblical Gospels to little more than a fallen woman redeemed by Jesus. In the Gnostic Gospels, however, Magdalene figures almost as significantly as Christ, who names her "the woman who knows all." The conflicting accounts of Mary Magdalene have sent best-selling author Lynn Picknett on a quest for the truth that has led her to the thirteenth-century cult of the Black Madonna, then back to Christianity's beginnings and earlier. Tracing Mary's name to Magdala in Egypt, Picknett learns that the term Magdal-eder means "tower of the flock," or Good Shepherd, a title also given to Jesus Christ. Based on her explorations into new scholarship on recently discovered Gnostic texts, Picknett finds a vital partnership between Jesus and Mary that synthesized Eastern and Egyptian mysticism and that promulgated gender equality, anointing rites, and sexual rituals. In that relationship, she discovers an alliance that Christ's Apostles and, later, the Catholic Church strove ardently to suppress. Picknett's revelations rarely fail to provoke at least a reconsideration of long-accepted church doctrine.

B.B.Baghor wrote:

ortho's words: "I'm presently reading a book about Mary Magdalene by Lynn Picknett. It's quite fine -- but I'm reading it with a Dead-Sea of Salt"

Your sense of humor is priceless, ortho, at least you can read the book while floating, on the sea of tears, in laughter or sadness

On my part, regarding my way of dealing with such messages like in this thread and other channeled material, or those on ET existence, intraterrestrial beings, from hands on experience, astral traveling or through hearing voices, also views from all kind of sources on global affairs of all 13 kinds, I usually make sense of them, when I feel I can relate to the content, feeling touched by it in a good way. And inspired, uplifted or heart-warmed.

I've made it a habit, to explore at least 5 sources of a certain piece of information, comparing and making sense of it or not. Grains of salt are very useful, also having them near, when reading my sometimes bold statements. I mean the style, not the content, This statement is an example of what I mean, throwing confusion in for those who can read between my/the lines.

I try to study various approaches without becoming submissive to particular personalities and/or power-structures -- but this is not fundamentally rebellious in nature. I'm honestly attempting to positively-reinforce everyone and everything -- even if it doesn't seem like it.

If I may ask, ortho, was your encounter with the being (or beings?) with the name of an Ancient Egyptian Deity, in person, or did it occur in the astral realms? That first blue spaceship-deck picture in your post looks great, that "window with a view". What a view!

It was in-person over several months. It was rather interesting and intense. I have repeatedly featured this close-encounter throughout this thread -- but I haven't made a great-big deal about it. A visitor or casual-observer would probably miss it altogether. I'd like to travel the cosmos in a spaceship -- but the price of admission might be way too high -- and I strongly advise against getting into a UFO. The Ancient Egyptian Deity was a Guardian of the Galaxy kind of guy -- and I'm NOT kidding!!

B.B.Baghor wrote: ortho's words: "I try to provide a wide variety of posts -- despite accusations that I just keep saying the same things over and over again. On the other hand, if I were inconsistent, I would be accused of being confused and unstable. I frankly don't care what anyone thinks. I simply want everyone to think. Period".

Comment in the tubby with the grizzly bears catching salmon, in your post "For every salmon that is caught, hundreds make it past the bears......."

Once upon a time -- I had a digital voice-recorder which worked perfectly -- expect when recording one particular individual. A normal-sounding voice became a hideous gravely (almost demonic) voice when played-back on that particular digital-recorder!! This occurred repeatedly (without exception). I mentioned this to the Ancient Egyptian Deity -- to which they replied "Some Slip Through". Honest.

Honestly, ortho, comments on your saying the same things over and over, to me that's not an accusation. When I share that opinion, it's a comment on how it's perceived by me. For some reason you seem to be fixed on that judgment, of being accused, so that you feel compelled to repeat your message, in order to prove you're right or to make clear what it is you're after. That's a possible checkmate position, to me.

So -- is this a King and Queen War-Game?? I often feel like a Completely Ignorant Pawn!! Please remember that I am honestly modeling concepts and personalities which do NOT reflect who I am in "real-life". I might share some of the inclinations and biases -- but I don't behave like this in everyday life. What scares me is that the ease with which I model on this thread leads me to wonder if I might've been somewhat like this in previous lives. I'm honestly NOT channeling some nefarious entity. I don't do anything even remotely creepy. I might be channeling myself. Was it Lionhawk who spoke of channeling themselves?? I can't quite remember -- but I know it was someone on this forum who is no longer posting. Each of my posts are the same -- only different -- reflecting the concept of "Theme and Variations". I honestly keep feeling as though I was somehow set-up in this incarnation -- where every behavior and editorial-slant would be somehow used against me -- with the general theme of Build Them Up -- and Knock Them Down.

It's your reaction, to feel an accusation and you seem stuck in it. You're as much trying to live up to expectations of your audience as dictating your rules how the audience should listen. I think that you're in one of the most patient and kind forum here, with many members, including me, communicating with you in an open-minded way and with good intentions.

I can't dictate Rules of Listening. What Would Julian Treasure Say?? I can't even get others to listen. Period. This is a highly tolerant forum -- but I often feel as if I am silently being fed enough rope to hang myself (which I seem to be effectively and efficiently doing each and every day). I seem to be somehow protected -- while I continue to destroy myself. I guess I keep thinking that if I am never built-up -- it is more difficult to knock me down. This whole thing is frankly a Most Dangerous Game to me. It's so sad -- that it's almost funny...

I don't choose to belittle you or your thread, or display a smiling face, at the same time shaking my head inside. Some may do that here, to sort of please you. That's not helping, does it? Many of those who read your thread, have shown you they appreciate your presence here and (maybe with some difficulty) also your thread. You are not your thread, see? That's where the sting is present, or so it seems. I feel a sameness in your trying hard and my trying hard, in a way.

Forgive me for repeating this -- but you often remind me of "Angela" in that 1978 movie "The Word" (which sends chills up and down my spine). That's actually a compliment. I honestly feel like a sci-fi script-writer. Decades ago, I spoke with a very famous Hollywood-Director's Stepmother about wishing for "someone" to create a High-Tech Science-Fictional "Life of Christ" Based Upon The Desire of Ages by Ellen White. Honest. She spoke of her stepson being fearful. Now I think I understand why -- based upon which movies were being made at that time -- and what I know now.

There's an obstacle between people's minds present here, reading your thread and yours presenting food for thought in it. So far, you don't receive what you're aiming at, that's made clear by you. To me, it seems that somewhere there's an opinion put on ice. My efforts to clarify or understand, may prove that "never the twain shall meet." That opinion on ice, or a prefixed idea, may be in the mind of the readers, in my mind also, for I truly find it hard to follow, where your mind goes, or is, ortho.

I have repeatedly stated that this thread merely scratches the surface. I could make this MUCH more complex and graphic. I've been around highly-educated English and Australian Theologians and Preachers -- and it's quite humbling -- and even a bit creepy. Some of you know what I'm talking about. This thread is sort of Gizeh-Intelligence for the Rest of Us!!

Can we meet halfway? That could work maybe....... I think    I'm honestly thinking out loud, to myself mainly, sharing it here with a purpose, if you can get that. Is making sense done by thinking? Is humour a way to bypass the trap of absolute truth and perfection? When is an answer given that is also received as an answer?

Perhaps. I'm honestly attempting to understand what Genuine Fundamentalist Biblical Theology in the Context of Ancient and Modern Science-Fiction really looks like. My starting-point is that Everyone is Right -- and Everyone is Wrong -- which makes everyone angry and indignant. Irreverent-Humor seems to be destroying me -- little by little -- yet it seems to serve a utilitarian-purpose presently -- so I shall continue to crucify myself. We all have our crosses to bear -- don't we?? Orthodoxymoron or Wave of the Future?? Time Will Tell -- as it always does...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhGuXCuDb1U

Tim Minchin's Storm the Animated Movie

To me, this is a delicious merging of instinctual view and overview. Those 2 views are meant to be made aware in one moment, as I see it, in a positive "the twain shall meet".

I learned "Combining-Opposites" from Shirley Maclaine. I knew a Hollywood-Insider who told me that Shirley seemed to be lost in deep-thought when not on stage. Once -- while inside a major television-studio -- as I watched a rehearsal -- I noticed one particular individual who sat motionless and transfixed in front of the stage -- watching intently and silently -- with total-concentration. That made a deep impression on me. I honestly aspire to be that sort of person (regarding life, the universe, and everything). BTW -- I recently encountered an Individual of Interest who seemed to NOT like me one little bit -- and I think I might know why...

"The mind…  can make a heaven of hell, a hell of heaven" ― John Milton

Some of us seem to be "Making Heaven Into Hell" while others of us seem to be "Making Hell Into Heaven". What if CERN will somehow merge Heaven and Hell into some sort of an Eschatological Final-Jihad?? The Horror. I equate "Mind" with "Character" -- which we apparently take with us when we die. Who says "You Can't Take It With You"??

"Oxy -- You Need to Learn Your Place in the Great Scheme of Things..."

B.B.Baghor wrote: ortho, I hear you clearly, though this may be of not much help, for to me, you seem a bit far out... of hearing distance. It's hard to follow you, but you make yourself heard alright! It seems your mind is so much in turmoil, that it's hard for you to discern your own voice, not the one shouting here. If I may say this, we all long for this....... being heard. For crying out loud!!! It's our birthright, to be valued through our lives. In the first seconds of our life, we make ourselves heard, we cannot do otherwise. For what it's worth to you, ortho, for truth is.... showing new faces each day, these days, or so it seems, maybe that's why what you're looking for seems to be elusive to you, I believe that we need to listen to our own voice first, from within. The one who's patiently waiting for you, me, us,  to shut up and listen. For a change.

magamud wrote:Ya thats some living, thanks....

Aquaries1111 wrote:Hi Oxy,

I want you to know I am still reading you.. I am only on page 2 though of your beautiful path thread. I almost wish I had started the path the same time you did, I wouldn't feel so left behind then.. Okay I'll stop whinging.. I know, I know, we are multi-dimensional and what existed then also exists now.. so now is where I am to read.. so bee it..

Your Bill Cooper link has sent me on a Bill Cooper download overload.. I need to get back to study and get back to page 2.. There's so much information I almost need to just close myself off and focus on your precious thread. I do know it's precious..

magamud wrote:

"You Can't Outrun or Outgun God!!"

The Ruler of This World Will Get You In The End...

orthodoxymoron wrote:The Old-Testament ends around 400 BC -- with approximately 400 years of Biblical-Silence. I've been wondering if the New-Testament is somehow a corrupted version of Suppressed Intertestamental Messianic Writings (which might resemble the writings found in Job through Daniel -- or at least commentaries and applications of those books)?! I realize this is heresy -- and I have little evidence to back-up this radical idea. I have suggested a very careful study of Job through Daniel -- prior to studying other parts of the Bible -- using these ten-books as an interpretive-key. What if the time extending from Alexander the Great (356-323 BC) -- right up to the present -- should be viewed with extreme-suspicion -- especially regarding how this world has been run?! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great What if all the religions which came into existence during this time-period were invented and promoted by the Same Hidden PTB?! This might hypothetically include Christianity (as we know it) -- Catholicism -- Islam -- Protestantism (in all of its forms) -- and virtually every religion and sect -- as franchises of One Big Business!! If true -- this would be upsetting and revolting to everyone -- wouldn't it?! Try reading Luke and James -- straight-through -- over and over -- comparing this study with the rest of the New-Testament. Then compare that same study with Job through Daniel. As I previously noted -- only Acts -- James -- and 3 John -- do NOT end with "Amen." Was someone trying to tell us something?? Further -- consider that Luke-Acts is really one book by the same author. Likewise -- one might consider First, Second, and Third John as being one book by the same author. If there is any validity to what I just said -- what would a study of the following books yield??

1. Job.
2. Psalms.
3. Proverbs.
4. Ecclesiastes.
5. Song of Songs.
6. Isaiah.
7. Jeremiah.
8. Lamentations.
9. Ezekiel.
10. Daniel.
11. Luke.
12. Acts.
13. James.
14. 1 John.
15. 2 John.
16. 3 John.

Are these books consistent with the rest of the Bible?? If one studied these 16 books -- what doctrinal-framework might emerge?? Should a doctrinal-framework even be constructed?? Should these books simply be read (straight-through -- over and over)?? I am Not a Bible-Scholar. Not even close. I simply wonder as I wander. Once again -- I simply wish to research and reflect -- without getting angry and disruptive. I think we're in the process of finding-out some extremely upsetting and potentially-disruptive information. Being triumphalist in any of this would be a grave-error. Some say that the Catholic Church and the Pope are the Root of All Evil -- but I am suggesting the possibility of another layer of power, which even Rome is subservient to!! Groot is the Root of All Evil. Or perhaps the Mandrake is the Root of All Evil. What REALLY scares me is the possibility that the historical-madness and often ruthless and corrupt governance -- might've somehow been necessary and/or unavoidable (as insane as that sounds)!! Perhaps it has been somehow necessary for the Bad-Guys to run Earth, Inc. for thousands of years -- as revolting as that sounds!! Please consider ALL Possibilities before throwing stones!! Whenever I speculate about Solar System Governance -- I feel dirty and sick!! Perhaps there is No Good Way to Run a Solar System!! This thing might be tougher and nastier than we can possibly imagine!! Once again -- I have no idea what's true or false. I just take everything in -- and quietly move-on. What if one formulated a Mental and Spiritual Conceptualization of the Messiah based upon the following??

1. Job through Daniel (KJV).
2. The Bach B-Minor Mass.

This wouldn't be Judaism or Christianity -- would it?? What would it be?? Just know that during my break I will be spending a lot of quality time with those two sources -- but, once again, this is simply an area of study, rather than being a line in the sand. What if Job through Daniel were given a completely universal-interpretation -- rather than being biased toward Judaism (ancient or modern)? What if the Bach B-Minor Mass were given a completely universal-interpretation -- rather than being biased toward Christianity or Catholicism?? Would these two sources make an effective Ecumenical Book of Common Prayer?? I often have NO Idea what people want and need. But whatever it is -- it probably has to be THEIR Idea!! Everyone seems to wish to rule (whether they admit it, or not). Can you even begin to imagine what would happen if the world were ruled by Jerusalem -- with absolute-obedience expected from everyone?? What if the Torah were the Law of the World?? Can you imagine the rioting and warfare??!! I still think that Someone-Significant REALLY wants the Battle of Armageddon!! Can't we all just get along?? Take a look at this!!

enemyofNWO wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:I'm pretty much in a state of despair. No matter who the "Real Bad Guys" are -- if they are removed -- there are undoubtedly some "Really Bad Guys" waiting to take-over. "Real Nice Guys" might not survive for five-minutes at the "Top of the Pyramid". Traditional-Religions might often be bottomless-pits of corruption and confusion -- but atheism, agnosticism, psychology, philosophy, politics, business, law, entertainment, etc. are simply different bottomless-pits of corruption and confusion. What if no one is genuinely good?? If powerless "Good-Guys" are placed in positions of power -- they might quickly turn into "Bad-Guys". We might be screwed -- no matter what we do (or don't do). We might've gotten our butts kicked in an Ancient Star War -- with the Victors ruling Humanity from the Shadows for Thousands of Years. Who Knows?? How can we REALLY know anything regarding history and how things really work?? I'll "Fight the Good Fight" -- but I'm not expecting "Paradise or Utopia" anytime soon...

Remember that " Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely " . There are no check and balances to keep in line the ones at the very top .  In a previous post your wrote : quote "with approximately 400 years of Biblical-Silence. I've been wondering if the New-Testament is somehow a corrupted version of Suppressed Intertestamental Messianic Writings". I bet that corruption, misinterpretation and false translations are  inbuilt in any translated ancient text. How could you otherwise explain that an important rabbi threatened DR Strange about the revelations of the Dead Sea scrolls  ( see above videos ) ?  The biggest secret kept from the " believers " is the " flying saucers "  and alien interventions in human affairs .  The Flying saucer became " the holy Spirit " and the  Elohim became a singular entity instead of referring to a group of people . Because the church had control of the translations , then who didn't translate in an approved way ( nothing to do with the truth and accuracy ) got the marching orders .  The ancient text were used as property not of humanity but of a private  group of people that had in mind to enslave the world . The search for total control of the population is still going on .  

orthodoxymoron wrote:I tend to agree. As I irreverently suggested before -- what if the Holy-Spirit might be the Queen of Heaven in a Flying-Saucer?? I don't mean to be mean. I'm just trying to make the insane make-sense...

B.B.Baghor wrote:

Are you familiar with the story of the 2 monks?

"Two monks were on a pilgrimage and one day, came to the shore of a river, finding a woman in search
for a way to cross the water. The monks weren't allowed, by their superiors, to touch a woman. One of
the monks, being of a scholarly nature and helpful, chose to sort of set this rule aside and obey to the
rule of his superiors and their belief, to be of service. He offered her, to carry her across on his back.
She agreed with joy.

Once on the other side, after having left the woman behind, on the shore, the two monks continued their
journey. After about 3 hours, the monk who carried the woman, said to his companion. "You know, I wasn't
supposed to do that" "What do you mean?" asked his companion. "Well" answered the other monk "The rules
forbid me to touch a woman. I'm troubled by having done it". His companion answered "Oh, now I know what
you mean, I've already completely forgotten about that woman and the incident. You still carry her on your back
and make yourself suffer from it".

enemyofNWO wrote: Thanks for the parable . I imagine that  it is taken from a chapter of the bible not published  yet. I hope your writing is proceeding OK .  Are you defensive about your religion? Does it upset you, perhaps  that ,in a discussion,   we revealed facts about  the Sacred COW called  Christianity ?  Please don't take personally discussions in a forum . I can assure you also that I don't carry anyone on my back and I don't have dead weight to expel . I am who I am and I accept it . Do you do anything to screw the system that oppresses us all ? I do , for dozens of years we have had the secret services of Europe and Australia on our back ..... they have spent millions of dollars , performed incredible number of operations and Psy -ops with no result . So we have something to be proud off . If only there were more people like us who work to screw the system and try to open the eyes of the ones that keep theirs wide shut , the system would collapse sooner .....

Please don't be upset ,   we ,not always , read pleasant material . Unfortunately the world is not a pleasant place , it is a mine field ! who am I ?  I am one of millions that realized that the catholic religion is a fraud ,  after over 60 years since I woke up about it  I am still discovering despicable acts perpetrated by that criminal organization . I live in catholic country where the malefic presence of catholicism is omnipresent so i might  be rabid when dealing with the subject . I see also the pervasive influence of this cancerous religion on the politics and the society . There seem to be no end to the criminality of the church . They have the brass face to send missionary to regions  of the third world to try to convert who doesn't need to be . I don't think that the discussions with Otho are futile ,this subject is very interesting  and I think there is  some chance that  some of the discussion might influence, in a positive way,  some readers with an open mind .  Ortho ,as the rest of us , is on a personal journey and every person has his/her own interpretation of  what is searching and what is looking for .    Did you like the videos linked in post No 2   and 3 ? They are  eyes opener don't you agree ? Be well !

orthodoxymoron wrote:In "The Exercise of Vital Powers" from the 4th season of Babylon 5 (which is depicted as being in the year 2261 A.D.) -- the statement was made that "Russia [had transitions of power] in 1917 and 2013". Mind you -- this episode was made in 1997. The Pope resigned in 2013 -- and a Jesuit became the new Pope. In "The Keys of This Blood" Malachi Martin writes about a three-way battle for control of the New World Order -- between Russia, the Vatican, and the United States. The book was published in 1990. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Keys_of_This_Blood What if Russia had a lot to do with the changing of the guard in Rome?? Supposedly -- the US and Russia might be headed for some sort of conflict. That same episode of Babylon 5 speaks of the French coming to power in 2112 A.D. I have a rare book titled The End of the World, A.D. 2133. Pope Benedict seemed a bit bitter when he spoke of "God Sleeping". I have irreverently joked that "God was just tired of all the bullshit!" All of this might not be significant -- but I find it somewhat interesting.

enemyofNWO wrote:Thanks Ortho for the links ! I  just watched the video of Malachi Martin  posted above . There is a lot of information that is very relevant   even today .  But Martin ideas that the Pope John Paul would  unite the world on moral and ethical grounds  did not happen and it is very unlikely it will in the future ,John Paul died and things got worse . Since then the church is now associated universally with pedofilia and corruption. According to Martin already  in1990 the church had to pay 95 million dollars in compensation to children victims of sexual abuse . Martin said that the Church has the most efficient secret services in the world   . How do they do it ? The confession !  of course ! Just as a test try to confess that you know of a fictitious person that wants to bump off the pope ……… See how long it takes for the police to knock at you door ? Malachi said that the church has been penetrated by the Masons.   This happened a long time ago . The picture below is of Trieste where I live  near the palace of the Questore ( the chief of Police ) there is a church and above the door there is a date in roman numerals . The picture below is taken from my e-book chapter 19 .

orthodoxymoron wrote:I've been thinking of the whole solar system as being one big business (in good and bad ways). The Catholic Church might be near the top of the pyramid -- but I keep thinking there's at least one or two layers of power beyond Rome (and probably not in good ways). But really -- the universe might have literally billions of star-wars occurring simultaneously -- from antiquity to modernity. How things are out-there probably has a lot to do with why things are the way they are on Earth. Most of this is speculation -- but there is some substance to it -- and it frankly scares the hell out of me. Without hearing anyone say it -- one day I thought about the possibility of bugged-confessionals -- and it freaked me out!! I just assume that ANYTHING I say is somehow recorded. That might be overly paranoid -- but this is reflective of Christian-Theology (and even Santa-Claus coming to town)!! I assume that all agencies are somehow interconnected (for better or worse). A lot of this is speculation -- but I keep hearing stories...

orthodoxymoron wrote:What is the relationship (if any) between Dragons -- Draconian-Reptilians -- Generic-Reptilians -- Tall Long-Nosed Greys -- Small-Greys -- Generic-Hybrids -- Dragonized-Humans -- Nephilim -- Human-Giants -- Hybrid-Giants -- Reptilian-Giants -- Normal-Humans -- Angels -- Demons -- God -- Satan -- Demigods -- et al?? I might've added a couple of non-existent categories (or I might've missed someone) -- but you probably get my question. This whole-thing always seems to be an illusive shell-game. "Top" People probably get clear and concise briefings and documents -- but "We the Peons" must wade through "Endless Bullshit". I still don't know if most of the above really exist -- so I just play a stupid science-fiction game -- to attempt to understand a phenomenon which might not even exist. Strange-Beings could originate from Distant-Galaxies -- or they could be Renegade-Creations aka Forbidden-Abominations -- from Secret-Laboratories within this solar system. Who Knows?? How might Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer relate to all of this?? Does Lucifer really exist -- or is Lucifer simply the dark-side of Gabriel and/or Michael?? Also -- is Azazel an actual Angel and/or Demon -- or is Azazel simply a Historical and Eschatological Scapegoat?? Is the Creator of Humanity considered to be "Azazel"?? Once again -- I have a very difficult time getting into the Thuban material. I'm presently taking a closer look at Biblical-Prophecy in the context of Science-Fiction. I am very-wary of Prophecy -- but I've recently felt the need to understand Job through Daniel - relative to Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John -- with unconventional approaches. I always feel as if I'm playing with burning-magnesium when I consider this madness -- and a lot of it really does seem to be madness (on purpose, in many ways). What do you think about the 2300 days-years of Daniel 8:14 originating around 168 BC -- and terminating around 2133 AD?? Does Humanity have a future "As-Is" -- or will we be terminated and/or turned into various sorts of hybrids (which might not resemble humanity as we know it)?? Was the Historical Jesus Christ really the Messiah of the Psalms and Isaiah -- or is there a Hidden Historical Messiah?? This sort of thing is nearly impossible to really know about with any certainty. I'm almost to the point of completely walking away from ALL of the stuff contained within this website -- and just go back to watching television. I might even start drinking-beer and going to football-games and baseball-games. Perhaps I should forget about ethics and truth -- and live a life of skirt-chasing and riotous-living. I actually think I might rejoin the "Rat-Race" because the Rats are Winning...

bobhardee wrote:Orthodoxymoron -- It is a good thing that we can look at all the social, political, and other systems that are not doing well and recognize that at least we have each other to share these bits of wisdom.  We know that some are much more accurate than others and it is most frustrating to figure out which one is which.  They all see right or at least the ones that present the information so that it is believable.   I think a year or so ago I started making a list of what I believed to be right and was going to add to it but never did.  Outside of a brown dwarf coming our way, I think that biggest issue we all must deal with is greed.  The rich wanting to get richer on the backs of everybody else.  Not sure why.  I mean you have so much.....what can you do with it all other than gain power over everybody.  The next biggest problem are those people who believe that you can have a theocracy within a democracy and it not cause havoc.  Can a government that is a theocracy get along with a neighbor who does not share their values? Yes is that neighbor has a big stick and says that if you bring that s.... over here, I hit you on the head with this stick.   The third issue is how corporations seem to be taking control of the world.  I think the word for that is fascism.  They certainly are taking control of America. The last problem is somewhat of a wild card. It is the ET factor.  Are we nothing more than a zoo to which they stop and watch to see if we can figure it out enough......so that when we get smart enough, we will join their ranks? The rate we are moving, that will not  be anytime soon.  
Bob H.

orthodoxymoron wrote:A startling view of possible-realities is emerging for me -- which I wish to discuss less and less. It has a lot to do with Star-Wars -- Weapons -- Money -- Power -- Exploitation -- Enslavement -- God -- Genetics -- Deception -- Technology -- Etc. What if the nastiness on this planet has been somehow necessary for thousands of years?? What if God is a Galactic-Warrior (rather than someone who personally answers our prayers -- doing what we tell them to do)?? What if Nice-Guys really finish last in this Galaxy?? What if a lot of the Old-Testament and Revelation nastiness is tame compared to what really occurs throughout the Galaxy?? What if the Rockefellers, Rothschilds, Secret-Societies, Royalty, Elites, et al -- are somehow necessary in the Galactic Chain of Command -- relative to managing Earth Inc.?? What if a lot of religion is really the Opiate of the People (or something similar)?? I have been modeling a Theocratically Authorized and Overseen United States of the Solar System -- with the assumption that at some level one must deal with some very powerful beings who don't like to be told what to do. What if there are HUGE fleets of 100 mile-long bad@$$teroid mother@#$%^ships with unimaginable firepower -- filled with millions of Reptilian-Warriors (with very little mercy or empathy) -- who hate Humans?? What if we've had to make deals with these guys -- just to survive as inmates in a Prison-Planet?? What if resistance really is futile?? What if Humanity is a Renegade-Reptilian Genetics-Experiment?? Do you see why I'm trying to stop thinking and talking?? I think I've gone too far -- and crossed several lines. I really think I need to back-off and do something else. I had high-hopes regarding figuring things out -- but what if those who figure things out will be culled from the herd?? There was an episode of Star Trek Voyager -- or was it Babylon 5? -- where there was some sort of a huge bomb next to their spaceship (with an internal puzzle to be solved -- which would supposedly defuse the bomb). The captain figured-out that solving the puzzle would cause the bomb to explode -- and that it was a device to remove those who knew too much -- and were thus perceived to be a threat. A lot of the forbidden-information on the internet seems to be too available -- and too easy to access. I get the feeling that the PTB are taking very careful notes -- and that we might be segregated based upon our internet activities (or something like that). I am extremely apprehensive. Jordan Maxwell kept saying that he saw no way to avoid the so-called New World Order. Perhaps the best thing to do is to simply "Get Back to Work".

orthodoxymoron wrote:I keep thinking this Solar System (and possibly beyond) is a Big -- Dark -- Violent -- Corrupt -- Sick Network of Money and Power -- where the Bottom-Line is the Bottom-Line. Cleaning Things Up might be like Performing Neurosurgery on an Inoperable Malignant Brain-Tumor. We might be "Damned if We Do -- and Damned if We Don't." Within a few short months and/or years -- I suspect that BOTH those who "Believe in God" and those who "Don't Believe in God" are going to be Deeply-Disillusioned. The Agnostics might do better than most. That's just a sneaking hunch. "Go Anglican-Agnostics!!"

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Aquaries1111 wrote:Sorry All,

I  had a bit of a breakdown.

Almost 2 years in missing Brian O'Leary.

I do miss him.

orthodoxymoron wrote:A1, in the coming months and years, I will be reviewing your posts (and others). Right now, I'm just trying to wrap things up. Interestingly (to me) the AED (you know who I'm referring to) told me they had just spoken with Brian O'Leary -- and that they had a productive conversation. BTW -- this was near the beginning of 2011 -- if I'm not mistaken. I'd like to know who you and the AED really are!! What if you are ONE!! I wouldn't be surprised or shocked by much of anything, at this point.

 

Aquaries1111 wrote:Something you may not have known Oxy.  Brian O'Leary talked about the Patterson Power Cell.  I used to work for Jim Patterson and his Grandson Jim Reding in Sarasota, Florida.  Jim Reding died from a brain aneurysm, maybe fowl play, since he declined an offer of $10 million from Motorola for the patents and technology of the Patterson Power Cell.  Also, Jim Patterson died on my birthday, February 11th 2008.  His Grandson died 9 years or so before him at the young age of 31.  He was one year younger than me.

http://www.newenergytimes.com/v2/views/Group1/Patterson.shtml

http://consciouslifenews.com/patterson-power-cell-cold-fusion-energy-clean-radioactive-waste/115725/
'COLD FUSION' BREAKTHROUGH

Have 15,000 Energy Pros in Anaheim Seen the Light of a New Era?

From: Atlantis Rising, Number 6, 1996, pp 37 and 56

By: Jeanne Manning

Copyright Atlantis Rising.

Did a clean energy era just slip into our lives, unnoticed by mainstream news cameras? Its arrival may coincide with the recent success of an unpretentious "cold fusion" device, reported to put out a thousand times more energy than it takes to run it, at the world's largest trade show for electric power producers.

(Cold fusion is the popular term for what the Japanese more accurately call New Hydrogen Energy Technology. See David Lewis' introduction to cold fusion in Atlantis Rising # 2. In 1989 Drs. Martin Fleischmann and Stanley Pons were first to claim to have produced nuclear reactions by putting palladium rods in water cells and getting excess energy out. They are now in a million-dollar laboratory in France, funded by Japanese money.)

Clean Energy Technologies Inc. (CETI) of Texas is a small company that doesn't hesitate to walk among giants of the fossil fuel and nuclear industries. CETI booked a booth at the Power-Gen '95 Americas conference in Anaheim, California, and demonstrated their breakthrough nonpolluting energy device, invented by James Patterson, Ph.D. Earlier, at fusion conferences, they proved that the Patterson "cold fusion" cell, the size of your thumb, outperforms fusion reactors the size of factories by putting out eighty times more energy, in the form of heat, than the electricity that runs it. While the Tokomaks of the megabucks world - huge donut-shaped structures pervaded by high-intensity magnetic fields - attempt fusion of atoms and are rewarded with brief bursts of less power-out-than-in accompanied by dangerous radiation, CETI's and other room-temperature "cold fusion" experiments quietly and cleanly put out more power than it takes to run them and they keep this up for weeks at a time.

[Large picture of two men holding a small device about the size of a tennis ball]

"Dr. James Patterson and CETI's Jim Reding are ready to take on the energy establishment./ Photo from "Infinite Energy" [Magazine]."

Meanwhile, as if in a parallel but outdated universe, a physics professor at the University of British Columbia sputters when I ask about cold fusion. "There is no such thing! That has been proven to be just bad science!"

In the Anaheim conference, where more than 15,000 engineers and other visitors showed up from 75 countries, foot traffic was heavy at the CETI booth. The company's most impressive demonstrations, however, took place in their hotel room for select groups. Scientists who witnessed or knew firsthand witnesses of various tests of the device at the power-generating meeting gave me varying reports on CETI's demonstrations. The most conservative report was "sixteen to one" (more output than input), and other witnesses said "one thousand times more power out than went in."

No matter which numbers we look

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COLD FUSION, Continued from Page 37

at, the fact remains that a four-inch long (by one-inch in diameter) tube of metal-coated beads and ordinary water, put out a kilowatt (a thousand watts) of power in equivalent heat with only about one watt of electricity going in. Water flowed through it and out into coils of plastic tubing while an electric fan blew the room's air past the coils.

"My colleague was there and could feel the hot air coming out,' says Eugene Mallove, Ph.D., editor of "Infinite Energy" Magazine."

Why didn't the company make a bigger splash by keeping the device running day and night on the floor of the convention center? Mallove says he believes CETI came to the conference to nail down a contract with a multi-billion-annual-sales corporation, so the hotel room was the site of high-level negotiations. "They went there to give further encouragement to this very large, Fortune 500 company or maybe even Fortune 100 company in the United States." Mallove said in December that the corporation either has already, or probably will shortly, make a deal with Clean Energy Technologies to license the technology for manufacturing and production of these reactors. Who is the mysterious giant? "It is not an energy company per se. It is a very high-tech, instantly recognizable corporation."

Mallove is expected to reveal more in the next issue of "Infinite Energy", promising details on the testing of the CETI cell at the PowerGen 95 convention.

Mallove reports that CETI representatives ran their tiny cell for five hours with only about 1.4 watts going in but 1,344 watts were coming out. It was able to heat a room; in fact, the CETI crew had to call the hotel desk and have room service increase the air conditioning for the room.

"They reduced the output power at one point to about 470 watts, for safety reasons, but the input power at that point was .1 watt (one-tenth of a watt). So the ratio at that point was 4700 to one. We're talking about some gigantic ratios-for all practical purposes, no input power, and it will be shown ultimately, of course, that input power if needed at all can be generated easily thermoelectrically and just fed back. So the whole thing, for all practical purposes, is a self-sustaining unit to heat anything you want!"

This working prototype of a "cold fusion" heating unit shows more performance than glitz. "Frankly, the whole apparatus looks like a science fair project," Mallove told me. "Of course, most of the important inventions in history looked like that in their prototypes. And it wasn't designed to be a commercial heating unit; it was a demonstration unit."

It may not look like much, but if someone made multiples of the unit and put it in your basement, Mallove says, they could heat the whole house for a fraction of the cost of an electric light bulb. "In theory, if I wanted to have something like that and CETI was willing to sell units to me, they could heat this house in New Hampshire even in the bitter cold."

[Picture of the inside of a large donut-shaped metal hot fusion device.]

"Princeton's Hot Fusion project. Dinosaur?"

Is it reliable? "This is not the old days of cold fusion where you do some finicky experiment and hope and pray that it works," replies Mallove. "It works every time."

The CETI process starts very rapidly. "First, you apply a heater to it, equivalent to an automobile electric starter. You have to get it to proper temperature first. Then you remove the heater ... and the thing just goes."

But can it replace internal combustion engines? Mallove is optimistic. "Since there is no known upper limit to the pressure under which it can operate, there is every indication that fairly quickly, people will develop this for steam production. And I fully expect that in 1996 a vehicle will be powered by this process."

Mallove is of course not predicting it will be in the stores next year, but we do know researchers who want to be first to put a new-energy device into a small vehicle and drive across the country.

CETI is more interested in getting into production than getting into newspapers. The company is not returning phone calls from journalists; it is bombarded by would-be purchasers. Their marketing strategy is to sell distributors' licenses to a relatively small set of serious groups and businesses.

Paralleling the dramatic improvements in "cold fusion" are advances in magnetic motor technologies. Mallove says he strongly suspects they are closely related. I've interviewed additional scientists who speculate that "cold fusion" processes, and magnets, tap into a free energy universally present in the space around us.

For example, even though as a mainstream engineer/physicist he shuns the word overunity (meaning he is not publicly claiming more-power-output-than-input), Yasunori Takahashi from Japan is stirring up the new-energy scene with his magnetic motor. He claims to have the world's most powerful permanent magnets and is looking for business partners in the U.S. and England to produce the motor. New-energy researcher Christopher Tinsley rode a motor scooter powered by Takahashi's "Self-Generating Motor" throughout London for about a half hour and reports that the motor remained cool, which is highly unusual for a motor. Although it does need four 12-volt batteries to spin the motor up to speed for startup, a professor from London University said the motor seems to go 500 miles without fuel. New Energy News, monthly publication of the Institute for New Energy based in Salt Lake City, reports that Takahashi also invented an extremely powerful small capacitor (energy storage unit) and a Battery Doubler which promises to extend the running time of laptop computers, cellular phones and camcorders.

These are among many promising new-energy technologies emerging around the world.

Mallove sees the irony in the recent scene at Anaheim Convention Center. There were a thousand exhibitor booths, all sorts of megaproject technologies from oil, coal, gas and nuclear fission Ñ "all this stuff that's going to die completely, with this one (CETI) booth being the most important booth at the entire meeting. But you know the story. The dinosaurs did not realize their demise."

Jeane Manning is co-author of several books including "Angels Don't Play This HAARP" (distributed by Book People). Her first solo book, "The Coming Energy Revolution" will be out in spring, 1996, from Avery Publishing Group.

For anyone who wants to learn about the emerging scene, the International Association for New Science is planning a conference on new energy technologies for April 25-28, 1996 in Denver. The IANS office is in Fort Collins, Colorado, phone (970) 482-3731.

http://www.padrak.com/ine/CFARNOSIX.html



We are all connected Oxy, in ways we cannot even comprehend until the future.

Jenetta wrote:Orthodoxy have you ever considered putting all this material from this thread into a book?  Happened to read the Lacerta files on this Thread (do you have the material in another post as well?) and find the material quite fascinating as I am interested in the evolution of mankind our species. I do believe that you are a genius who very few are taking seriously.  Keep up the good work.
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Aquaries1111 wrote:

Carol wrote:

new land sea rise japan april 2015

4/25/2015 — LAND RISING OUT OF THE SEA IN HOKKAIDO JAPAN — ROSE 50 FEET (OVER 1,000 FEET LONG) OVERNIGHT
http://dutchsinse.com/4252015-land-rising-out-of-the-sea-in-hokkaido-japan-rose-300-meters-near-1000-feet-overnight/

A massive sudden (1 day) rise of land has occurred along the coast of Hokkaido Japan.

Major global earthquake activity is taking place, and serious crustal movement is obviously underway in the region around North Japan.

new land sea rise japan april 2015aaaa

http://www.nhk.or.jp/sapporo-news/player5.swf?t=1429999055008&fms=rtmp://flv.nhk.or.jp/ondemand/flv/lnews/&movie=sapporo/7004317821_20150424210433.mp4
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The new land began rising from the sea yesterday morning (April 24, 2015) with just a 1 meter rise  (3 feet), then began rising rapidly, the event is still ongoing as of April 25th into 26th 2015.

The new land mass has now risen over 50 feet above the water (near 1,000 feet long), and near 10 meters wide (30 feet)!  Not ‘small’ by any means, and a very rare occurrence to top it off. This is being attributed to crustal movement in the area.

“Experts found that residents of the ground in Rausu coast of eastern Hokkaido has raised over about 300 meters height 10 m width and “do not know exact cause, but seen the coastline has been raised.” we talk at around the 24th morning 6 around Rausu Horomoe the town in the Shiretoko Peninsula of eastern, and noticed that the ground is raised about one meter than usual when the residents who live near is a walk on the beach, then, 5:00 where it was found in around time, is that even the ground had been raised significantly.

Town is that the coastline had been raised over about height 300 meters, 10 meters  width where was confirmed scene around 18:00.
It depends on the police rather than housing and road around and it is that it does not damage to the human and buildings injury.

Emiko Funaki who lives near (60 years) “Do not than has been collapsed cliff and sea bottom is raised to. Is like a movie, such a thing you can not believe happen” has been talking to.

When you more in Kushiro Local Meteorological Observatory, activities of volcanoes and earthquakes in the vicinity Rausu is that it has not been confirmed on the 24th.

Yuichiro Tanioka Professor of Hokkaido earthquake volcano research Observation Center who looked at the scene photos of you do not know the cause that was “clearly, but sediment is not without wearing a stone, even if thinking, it is not a landslide. Coastline is raised and can be considered.

First of all we are talking about as it is necessary to examine whether “is happening crust of this area is.

Town will have to be investigated in the vicinity of the site along with the way of personnel from at the 25th 8 am as the cause is not clear.
Yuichiro Tanioka Professor of detailed Hokkaido earthquake volcano research Observation Center, such as the geology on which I saw the photo of the site, I do not know the cause that was “clearly, sediment is not without wearing the stone, if the landslides and be considered no.

Carol wrote:

Strong earthquake rocks Nepal, damages Kathmandu / 7.9 SUPERQUAKE ROCKS NEPAL

A powerful earthquake has rocked central Nepal, causing extensive damage to buildings and dozens of injuries, eyewitnesses say. The quake measured 7.9 and struck an area between the capital Kathmandu and the city of Pokhara, the US Geological Survey said. Nearly 1,000 are known to have died in a powerful earthquake in Nepal, with many more feared trapped under rubble, officials say.

The 7.8 magnitude quake struck an area between the capital, Kathmandu, and the city of Pokhara, the US Geological Survey said.
Tremors were felt across the region, with further loss of life in India, Bangladesh, Tibet and on Mount Everest. The government has declared a state of emergency in the affected areas.

A national police spokesman told the BBC that 970 people had died in the quake, and that more than 1,700 had been injured. At least 539 people were killed in the Kathmandu valley, he added.

Nepali Information Minister Minendra Rijal said there had been "massive damage" at the epicentre, from where little information is emerging.

"We need support from the various international agencies which are more knowledgeable and equipped to handle the kind of emergency we face now," he said.

The US is sending a disaster response team to Nepal and has released an initial $1m (£0.7m) to address immediate needs, the US aid agency USAid has said.

Kathmandu's landmark Dharahara tower before and after the earthquake

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-32461019

orthodoxymoron wrote:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/more-than-2200-confirmed-dead-in-nepal-earthquake/ar-BBiEIdv?ocid=ansnewsap11

More than 2,200 confirmed dead in Nepal earthquake

AP - Nepalese cremated the dead and dug through rubble for the missing Sunday, a day after a massive Himalayan earthquake killed more than 2,200 people. Aftershocks tormented them, making buildings sway and sending panicked Kathmandu residents running into the streets.

The cawing of crows mixed with terrified screams as the worst of the aftershocks — magnitude 6.7 — pummeled the capital city. It came as planeloads of supplies, doctors and relief workers from neighboring countries began arriving in this poor Himalayan nation. No deaths or injuries were reported from the early Sunday afternoon quake, but it took an emotional toll.

"The aftershocks keep coming ... so people don't know what to expect," said Sanjay Karki, Nepal country head for global aid agency Mercy Corps. "All the open spaces in Kathmandu are packed with people who are camping outdoors. When the aftershocks come you cannot imagine the fear. You can hear women and children crying."

Saturday's magnitude 7.8 earthquake spread horror from Kathmandu to small villages and to the slopes of Mount Everest, triggering an avalanche that buried part of the base camp packed with foreign climbers preparing to make their summit attempts. At least 17 people died there and 61 were injured.

The earthquake centered outside Kathmandu, the capital, was the worst to hit the South Asian nation in over 80 years. It destroyed swaths of the oldest neighborhoods of Kathmandu, and was strong enough to be felt all across parts of India, Bangladesh, China's region of Tibet and Pakistan.

By Sunday afternoon, authorities said at least 2,169 people had died in Nepal alone, with 61 more deaths in India and a few in other neighboring countries. At least 721 of them died in Kathmandu alone, and the number of injured nationwide was upward of 5,000. With search and rescue efforts far from over, it was unclear how much the death toll would rise.

But outside of the oldest neighborhoods, many in Kathmandu were surprised by how few modern structures — the city is largely a collection of small, poorly constructed brick apartment buildings — collapsed in the quake. While aid workers cautioned that many buildings could have sustained serious structural damage, it was also clear that the death toll would have been far higher had more buildings caved in.

Aid workers also warned that the situation could be far worse near the epicenter. The U.S. Geological Survey said the quake was centered near Lamjung, about 80 kilometers (50 miles) northwest of Kathmandu, in the Gorkha district.

Roads to that area were blocked by landslides, hindering rescue teams, said chief district official Prakash Subedi. Teams were trekking through mountain trails to reach remote villages, and helicopters would also be deployed, he said by telephone.

Local aid worker Matt Darvas said in a statement issued by his group, World Vision, that he heard that many remote mountain villages near the epicenter may have been completely buried by rock falls.

The villages "are literally perched on the sides of large mountain faces and are made from simple stone and rock construction," Darvas said. "Many of these villages are only accessible by 4WD and then foot, with some villages hours and even entire days' walks away from main roads at the best of times."

Nepal's worst recorded earthquake in 1934 measured 8.0 and all but destroyed the cities of Kathmandu, Bhaktapur and Patan.

With people fearing more quakes, tens of thousands of Nepalese spent Saturday night outside under chilly skies, or in cars and public buses. They were jolted awake by strong aftershocks early Sunday.

"There were at least three big quakes at night and early morning. How can we feel safe? This is never-ending and everyone is scared and worried," said Kathmandu resident Sundar Sah. "I hardly got much sleep. I was waking up every few hours and glad that I was alive."

As day broke, rescuers aided by international teams set out to dig through rubble of buildings — concrete slabs, bricks, iron beams, wood — to look for survivors.

In the Kalanki neighborhood of Kathmandu, police rescuers finally extricated a man lying under a dead body, both of them buried beneath a pile of concrete slabs and iron beams. Before his rescue, his family members stood nearby, crying and praying. Police said the man's legs and hips were totally crushed.

Hundreds of people in Kalanki gathered around the collapsed Lumbini Guest House, once a three-story budget hotel and restaurant frequented by Nepalese. They watched with fear and anticipation as a single backhoe dug into the rubble.

Police officer RP Dhamala, who was coordinating the rescue efforts, said they had already pulled out 12 people alive and six dead. He said rescuers were still searching for about 20 people believed to be trapped, but had heard no cries, taps or noises for a while.

Most areas were without power and water. The United Nations said hospitals in the Kathmandu Valley were overcrowded, and running out of emergency supplies and space to store corpses.

Plumes of smoke, meanwhile, rose above the capital as friends, relatives and others gathered by the river to quickly cremate loved ones' remains.

Most shops in Kathmandu were shut; only fruit vendors and pharmacies seemed to be doing business.

"More people are coming now," fruit seller Shyam Jaiswal said. "They cannot cook so they need to buy something they can eat raw."

Jaiswal said stocks were running out, and more shipments were not expected for at least a week, but added, "We are not raising prices. That would be illegal, immoral profit."

Emergency workers and bystanders cleared debris while searching for survivors under a collapsed temple in Basantapur Durbar Square following an earthquake on April 25, 2015 in Kathmandu, Nepal. A major 7.8 earthquake hit Kathmandu mid-day on Saturday, and was followed by multiple aftershocks that triggered avalanches on Mt. Everest that buried mountain climbers in their base camps. Many houses, buildings and temples in the capital were destroyed during the earthquake, leaving hundreds dead or trapped under the debris as emergency rescue workers attempt to clear debris and find survivors.   © Omar Havana/Getty Images Emergency workers and bystanders clear debris while searching for survivors under a collapsed temple in Basantapur Durbar Square following an earthquake on April 25, 2015 in Kathmandu, Nepal. A major 7.8…The quake will likely put a huge strain on the resources of this impoverished country best known for Everest, the highest mountain in the world. The economy of Nepal, a nation of 27.8 million people, relies heavily on tourism, principally trekking and Himalayan mountain climbing.

With Kathmandu airport reopened, the first aid flights began delivering aid supplies. The first to respond were Nepal's neighbors — India, China and Pakistan, all of which have been jockeying for influence over the landlocked nation. Nepal remains closest to India, with which it shares deep political, cultural and religious ties.

India suffered its own losses from the quake, with at least 61 people killed there and dozens injured. Sunday's aftershock was also widely felt in the country, and local news reports said metro trains in New Delhi and Kolkata were briefly shut down when the shaking started.

Other countries sending support Sunday included the United Arab Emirates, Germany and France.

After the chaos of Saturday — when little organized rescue and relief was seen — there was more order on Sunday as rescue teams fanned out across the city.

Workers were sending out tents and relief goods in trucks and helicopters and setting up shelters, said disaster management official Rameshwar Dangal. Mukesh Kafle, the head of the Nepal Electricity Authority, said power was restored to main government offices, the airport and hospitals.

Among the destroyed buildings in Kathmandu was the nine-story Dharahara Tower, a Kathmandu landmark built by Nepal's royal rulers as a watchtower in the 1800s and a UNESCO-recognized historical monument. It was reduced to rubble and there were reports of people trapped underneath.

The Kathmandu Valley is listed as a World Heritage site. The Buddhist stupas, public squares and Hindu temples are some of the most well-known sites in Kathmandu, and now some of the most deeply mourned. Nepali journalist and author Shiwani Neupane tweeted: "The sadness is sinking in. We have lost our temples, our history, the places we grew up."

Associated Press writers Muneeza Naqvi and Tim Sullivan in New Delhi contributed to this report.

orthodoxymoron wrote:I want to help people, rather than destroy them.

B.B.Baghor wrote:ortho's words: "The problem with the "All is Good" part is that the closer one examines a saint -- the less saintly they appear."

"The problem is........."  how familiar that sounds to me  I knew somehow you would reply in this way, ortho  
Please pay attention to your choice of the word "appear" for in many of your posts you make absolute what "appears" to you,
as far as your feelings are involved. Mainly when they make you feel bad about it, when they're paining you. That way you fix a
belief system in yourself that is of itself something to make yourself feel bad about.  "Appear" is to my understanding something
that shows itself to me, perceived in a subjective way. No fact. "See what troubles you and deal with that first, before dealing
with the troubles of the world" I remind myself of often. There's never a "this or that" a "black or white" to me.

It appears that when I use the word "appear" I am implying a "definite-maybe". I tend to use a lot of tentative and qualifying language -- especially regarding the highly speculative and controversial subject-matter within this website. Even when I think I "know" -- I often ask rhetorical-questions rather than making dogmatic-assertions.

It's so true, to find that saints are less saintly when examined closer, I agree. That goes for human beings too, in general  
To me, it's one of the fabulous contradictions of life at present, I think, ortho. It's the gap between what my MIND tells me about
how I WANT LIFE'S CONDITIONS TO BE and what my HEART is capable in showing me, by nudges of my HIGHER SELF or the place
of OBJECTIVE OBSERVATION (in less spiritual terms). That examining closer and finding both sides of the coin, light and dark, is
annoying in equal measures, depending how you look at it every new day.

This concept is especially frightening when applying it to God, Jesus, Lucifer, Satan, Angels, and Demons. I've been gravitating toward a "rough and tumble" view of the universe -- which might include an imperfect God, Jesus, Mary, Gods, Goddesses, Angels, et al. It might also include some complementary characteristics for the "worst of the worst". But the term "God" implies an "Absolute Standard of Perfection". If "God" is not "Perfect" then the universe begins to fall apart. If "Lucifer" and/or "Satan" is "charming" but "rebellious" -- this makes the "Great Controversy Between Christ and Satan" more complex and confusing than many might wish for it to be. If a "Good God" goes "Rogue" -- then what?? The Standard is in Jeopardy. Can "God" have a "Bad" Day -- and then get back to "Business as Usual"?? What if "God" is a "Bad@$$ Reptilian-Warrior and Wheeler-Dealer"??!! Most people would probably be offended by me merely asking that provocative-question!! I've been repeatedly told that I am "Good" by relative-strangers (including an Episcopal Rector I was interviewing). But the reality of my pathetic life is truly embarrassing. I sort of want to write a book (so I can pay my bills) -- but I don't wish to attract attention to myself (because I'm such a stupid, miserable, and rebellious dud). I don't know why I keep posting my tripe on this site!! I mostly just want to disappear -- and hope for a better life next time.

I see myself as devilish as divine in essence. Everything can be tried out and it IS tried out, no doubt for you and me in that.
We pretty well know what it is how we long and would like to experience the world around us. Don't we desire to be at peace
and happy? It's how you look at it and in which direction, if I can be happy while s**t happens around me. I'm finding out about
how to be with what I ponder and watch is as matter of fact-ly as possible, at some point. Including all stirrings of heart and emotions.
At some point I can choose which side I want to be on, in an entwining of observation and feeling. And make it so by awareness and choice.
That's where the key is, in my present point of view. I begin to understand more and more each day, that it's about daring to see myself
for who I really am, at the same time, as much as possible all the time   . Depending on how I love myself from within my heart
and be compassionate towards my human mind-parts and quirks, uncertainties, etc. etc. I watch and judge the outside world.

As much as I have hated to admit it -- I've been considering the possibility of the necessity of non-idealistic business-methodologies in a non-idealistic civilization. Specifically -- I have been considering the Medical--Military--Money Complex relative to the Prevention--Peace--Philanthropy Complex -- in a Cooperative Dynamic-Equilibrium -- rather than locked in Trench-Warfare!! I'd actually love to apply this principle to ALL Medical Institutions Worldwide!! But can you imagine the weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth in the Medical-Center Boardrooms??!! "No Margin -- No Mission!!" I learned several cool phrases from Dr. Robert H. Schuller. "I Can Choose to be Happy Anyway!!" "Turn Your Scars Into Stars!!" "The Me That I See Is the Me That I'll Be!!" "Fake It Till You Make It!!" "I'm Not Who I Think I Am!! I'm Not Who You Think I Am!! I Am Who I Think You Think I Am!!" From another source -- I learned the phrase "It's Not How You Look -- It's How You See!!"

When I can tolerate and be compassionate towards my "mistakes" and loss of balance or whatever, I can be that to the outside world too.
Too see my restriction in 1-or 2- or 3-dimensional views, limiting myself and not seeing the solution or a new path of choice that is in front
of my eyes. A path that is present in the space of intention and ready to choose, not found by me by its own doing, but by my choosing.
As much in freedom as possible, with space to try something new and start all over, the way young children do.

"Ye Must be Like Little Children to Enter the Kingdom of God!!" I like the concept of "Homeostasis" or "Dynamic-Equilibrium" -- with "Perfection" being a verb rather than a noun. A motorcycle-racer used to say "You Don't Know How Fast You Can Go -- Until You Fall Down!!" One should not be judged by occasional deeds and misdeeds -- but by the trend of a lifetime. Mistakes are an integral part of Progress. I like the Japanese term "Kaizen" -- or "Continual-Improvement". I asked a significant individual of interest "How Good is Too Good??" They didn't have an answer -- and neither did I.

I'm constantly triggered by that path that has no steps. The steps are created by my putting one foot in front of the other, meanwhile
feeling unsure and anxious as much as thrilled and optimistic. I am trying to keep a good sense of humor for being in the same boat with
you and all human beings. I feel somehow that I mainly choose different words for the same thing, in my response to your posts. I would
like to pass on an image or thought-form that makes it clear in one moment.

It takes a sense of humor to deal with human beings. "To Live in Heaven with the Saints -- Oh That Will be Glory!! To Live on Earth Among the Saints -- Now THAT'S Another Story!!" Conversing with others often seems to involve subtly asking "Am I Sane??" without actually putting it that way!!

In the present conditions of linear time and thinking in past-present-future, we're unable to do so. Probably what you and I with all others,
here and everywhere, are doing, is making attempts to find such a way. I find that by accepting our restriction as human beings now and
at the same time make efforts to outgrow them, not by force but by coming from kindness and patience, the hidden qualities of our soul
will reveal themselves. As much as the corners with shadowy creatures.

I'm excersizing all the time, not by doing but by being aware and in appreciation. I'm out for shopping with the landlord of the home I may
find a new living, this summer. In Somerset UK with a view on Glastonbury Tor and King Arthur's Seat. Caves are here too  

(latest 2 pictures of that area are in my small and large works of art thread)

I'm listening to this in the evenings, a Lyricus way of putting in words what can be tried and found, possibly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GIeUpOigus


Cool!!

Anchor wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:I tried to PM Anchor, but the message never got sent, even though I tried repeatedly. The message is not really private, so I am posting it here. Anchor, I don't see you posting much anymore. Right from the beginning, I detected that you knew a lot more about a lot of things than you openly revealed. I have a bad feeling about what's going on throughout the solar system, but I don't know the details. I keep posting, even though I keep flying blind. The other forum members have pretty much stopped talking to me. Something seemed to occur as a consequence of that ill-fated Thuban thread, which was of major significance, but I don't know exactly what it was. I have been speaking with a somewhat mysterious individual, who seems to know a huge amount, yet will only tell me so much, and won't answer most of my questions. I don't know who they really are, even though I have a pretty good idea. Something seemed to ominously change two months ago, and this is when the forum members stopped talking to me. I don't know what happened, but I have some ideas. I won't elaborate. You seemed to be supportive of 'The Law of One'. I haven't spent much time looking at this material, but I think something major and catastrophic occurred in ancient Egypt. I have even speculated that the Old World Order was replaced by the New World Order at that time, and that this had everything to do with Amen Ra. I have suggested the possibility that an angel is a soul, which would make all of us angels in human form. Might angels in human form be considered to be 'Fallen Angels', or angels who have fallen into physicality? I once read a passage in a book, which read 'demons in human form, sitting in church pews'. Isn't that creepy?! I feel an overwhelming need to read 'The Law of One'. What do you think about "I Am Ra" being repeated throughout the 'Law of One'? How would you feel if someone looked you straight in the eye, and said "I Am Ra"? Was there a significant controversy and rebellion connected with 'The Law of One'? But really, I am so burned-out and disgusted with everything, that I might not be back. I've pretty much had it. Anyway, now I'm rambling. Let's just say that I am very afraid of what the remainder of 2011 will bring, and I am very worried about who I might be reincarnationally. I am also very concerned about the effect of my posting activities. I don't think I have enough information to properly press forward, but yet I do, probably mostly out of insecurity. I feel as though I got something very wrong, and that now I'm in huge trouble. Just my feeling. Namaste.

Well blow me down.

I logged in here today to find three PM's, and the first thread I looked at was this and I saw anchors.

Orthodoxymoron, sounds like you need an Anchor.

One is on the way.

Not fear, nor tears can reach me now
the light seems so clear as the night fades away
Behold of thy flame, below of all shame
Come conquer me sweet dreams of paradise

Dusk drawn hither to my evening star
A glance in thy mirror
The trance of thy mirror
Venus... through the looking glass

Dance so frail and lost in the fields afar
Cast off thy mourning
Clasp life and glory
Venus... through the looking glass

The sense of angels in veils of dawn
Like she runs forever among thy halls
The pale horizons are closing down

The reasons for living are lost somehow

Cross my heart with a glance upon the star of riddance
Drift afar like teardrops on the Stygian River

I'm the nightfall and wizard that summon thee
You're the blizzard that drape my eyes

I'm thy sorrow and vein of obscurity
You're the dagger that cuts

Shivers on the bleak horizon
Profound words... you're my frailty

See the light cease in thy life
Profound words... hurting me

ORTHODOXYMORON'S SPRING BREAKDOWN...
with the Ancient Egyptian Deity Laughing at Me...

B.B.Baghor wrote:Similar to feeling I am repeating myself in other words and terms, responding to your posts at times, I am feeling that I
repeat going in circles. Beating around the (burning?) bush. I begin to feel that with the modeling going on, if that's what
it is, I'm never able to get a feeling of communicating in a straight forward way and by that condition, never really arriving
at a completion of a discussion or an understanding with you, really. Isn't that what you long for, ortho? Offering food for
thought, asking for response and comments, if that's what you expect or wish for, I don't know..... I've got no clue or key,
this doesn't seem to work, as it appears to me.

B.B., I responded to your post -- point by point -- and I'm sorry you didn't find this satisfactory. This is a research-project which is grinding to a halt. I know I've been saying that sort of thing for years -- but I think it might be different this time. My modeling should not be construed as me being disingenuous or dishonest. I have a particular benign-agenda which has been a work in progress for several years now. I couldn't do this sort of thing in "real-life". In a different setting (say the Dark-Side of the Moon perhaps) I might make my modeling a reality -- and I might even take it to the next level -- but this line of thinking severely frightens me. This hasn't been a "touchy-feely" experiment. But really, this "experiment" is all but over. It will all be over in a matter of weeks.

Of course, it's not about me, but to have a proper sort of communication, as difficult as it is already due to virtual conditions,
I need to have a sense of going towards clarifying and understanding, see what I mean? I can't help feeling that the real you
isn't present in the USSS thread somehow. With whom am I talking? To me it feels as if an understanding or discussion with a
sense of defined "place" and "moment" as in a feeling of substance, is a fleeting one, due to something in this thread, constantly
disappearing around the corner. Maybe deliberately? For a reason that is clear to you maybe, with a motive that is clear to you,
alone? Again, I feel I am repeating myself, does this make sense?

I think I might be "Channeling Myself" with a little help from my friends and enemies!! I feel as if I might've been "dive-bombing" a problem-set -- and that with the "mission-accomplished" I had better "pull-up" or "crash and burn". When President Obama gives a speech -- it's not the "Real Obama"!! People (and Other-Than-People??) write the speech (which has been approved by a very powerful "someone") -- and someone else places it in the teleprompter for President Obama to read (in a forceful and convincing manner). The President has been groomed (supposedly since childhood) to seemingly be a PR Person for the Secret Government!! I suppose I've been doing a similar sort of thing (on my own) in a very limited way. Do you see what I mean?? This is sort of analytical and calculating -- a bit like performing surgery or a symphony. It has to be done in a certain manner -- with massive doses of practice and discipline. I'm not happy with this strained situation. In fact, most days I feel like crying and screaming. The subject matter is that disorienting and upsetting (especially considering what I think about -- without posting my deepest thoughts). I SO Want to STOP!!