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orthodoxymoron wrote:I've become frighteningly-fixated upon the Medical-Military-Money Complex. I understand the Peace-Prevention-Philanthropy Complex -- but what if Ancient and Ongoing Star-Wars have everything to do with why things are the way they are (in an obviously non-idealistic manner)?? At one point in my life -- I was headed toward the Medical-Military-Money Complex -- but my conscience bothered me -- and I dropped-out -- never recovering. I've been a Shell of a Guy for most of my adult-life -- mostly because of hyper-religiosity and hyper-idealism. The contrast between the Ideal and the Reality is truly devastating -- but most people haven't got a clue (or a backbone). I once worked in a Major Teaching-Hospital (just down the street from a Major VA-Hospital). There were a couple a Major Air-Force Bases just a few miles away. I rented a Room with a View of the Hospitals and One of the Air-Force Bases -- and I sort of made the connection. At one point -- I was very interested in becoming a Flight-Surgeon -- and I think I would've made an excellent one. I'm foolish and stupid now -- but I wasn't always this way. If I had persisted in my pursuit of the Medical-Military-Money Complex (and murdered my conscience) I'd probably be a Multi-Millionaire with a Model-Wife and Charming-Children (attending Harvard and Yale) -- and I might be performing Alien-Autopsies in Deep Underground Military Medical-Centers. Who Knows??? Let's see -- if I sell my house and write a book -- I might be able to afford an Old-Porsche and a Mountain-Cabin -- where I can vegetate away the rest of my miserable life. Truth and Ethics are SO Overrated...

B.B.Baghor wrote:

ortho's words "Let's see -- if I sell my house and write a book -- I might be able to afford an Old-Porsche and a Mountain-Cabin"

That's exactly how I can picture you, ortho. To me, you seem to have some likeness with (french) artists working around 1900.
For example painters like Gaugin, Matisse, Kokoschka and Paul Delvaux, even Russian painters and writers,  for their melancholy,
sort of. You're great in your writing, but quite doomy and gloomy.  Combined with your unique humour, so much is in your head,
it might be a relief to get it out and put it down on paper. Or canvas? Do it....... I think you should..... just do it, find that cabin!



Here you go, ortho. Porsche is a great design, yellow goes well with the car and also with that mountain cabin    

Now, for something completely different, on with the topic, with Viscum Album, the mistletoe we're all familiar with, at Xmas:



"Iscador is a herbal cancer treatment derived from fermented European mistletoe (Viscum album). Various parts of the mistletoe
plant are used in order to formulate the extraction. Mistletoe has been used medicinally for centuries for a variety of purposes by
multiple cultures. Rudolf Steiner pioneered the use of mistletoe therapy in connection to the treatment of cancer in the beginning
of the twentieth century".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=101&v=cwZqcDhQJ4E


Source: http://www.hawaiinaturopathicretreat.com/programs/medical/alternative-cancer-treatment-gerson-therapy/iscador-therapy/

During my health-food consultancy training, finished in June 2010, which was based on an antroposofic/regular medical point of view,
we've discussed the cause and treatment of cancer, related to nutrition and temperaments. One woman in our class went through a
regression of her cancer process, which she had endured many years before. This time it happened on an emotional level. She
was so in touch with her body, that she knew how her body reacted to this process and at some point she decided to take Iscador
injections. In the 3 years we shared the classroom, I've seen her going from a nihilistic view and self-doubt, to a genuine awareness
of her own growth, in YES to her life... and body trust. The old voice remained part of her, with relapses. I've witnessed her journey to
health as a teaching. She chose "Lot" as the name of her business, for it's in her name. Lot means Fate in English.

The Iscador injections affected her immune system, so she could maintain good health, relatively speaking. In that training, with a
gathering of medical doctors of an older age, teachers with experience, being ill is viewed as a sign of good health, strange as it may
sound. Only when a body can't fart anymore, things begin to become serious and the being with the scythe steps closer.

Physical illness is a voice of the body, saying "Hey, listen to me, pay attention" it's the physical (sometimes final) materialisation
of unbalanced energy in one's system, or the unbalanced way of dealing with it. Which in itself is part of an ongoing process of
change, conditions related to phases of our life. Although it's outside wrong or right from the point of overview, it bears consequences.
Foremost those conseqences become visible and noticable in our physical body, in our posture too. That's where it shows up as a blessing
in disguise, if we choose to receive it that way.

I'm not ignoring the emotional impact, the range of sad feelings and grief, accompanying dis-ease. And the support we may offer.
That's as much part of the blessing, if you know what I mean. I'm not sharing new insights here, the bridge between our physical body
and our emotional state is built, anno 2015, even in parts of the regular medical world. In my view, dis-ease is one of our spirit being's
wise decisions, to shake us awake, when nothing else works.

In my view,iIt's not the cause, material or immaterial, that brings on disease or death, it's the awareness of why my health is affected
and how it can be used as a roadsign. A roadsign that in itself is created by me, should be created by me, while choosing my path.
For as much as dis-ease is viewed as the responsibility of myself, while suffering from it, as much respect is practiced in how I handle
my symptoms and deal with the cause of that condition, that dis-ease. Good doctors know how to be supportive in that.

Each person has a unique path in the art of physical health maintenance and emotional selfcare. I think we live and die each day, letting
go of old and dipping our toes in the waters of new. Sometimes people's lives are a great flash of lightning and sometimes it's a slow
simmering of almost reaching boiling point. And all kind of ways are in between. In my life, I started as a fierce flame of indignity, then
my fire was kindled and now I've made sure cutting wood is done each day   I have experienced physical dis-ease, the last time was
in 1994, when I ended a business. Nowadays we would call it a burn out, at that time my eyes couldn't bear the light and burned painful
for 6 months. That turned out to be a wayshower to a healing of a part of me that wandered off, once upon a time.
I thank Heavens for it  

Last but not least, here's a Q & A document, on the subject of cancer, offered by Richard Wagner, a German medical doctor:
http://www.anthromed.org/Article.aspx?artpk=313

I think there might be more to that Holy-War between the Medical-Military-Money Complex and the Prevention-Peace-Philanthropy Complex than even I can imagine. In fact -- I'm thinking that I might really need to wage this Holy-War internally for the rest of my life -- especially when I stop posting on the internet. I keep thinking about my SDA background -- and the Fourth-Season of Babylon 5 (especially regarding Mr. Edgars) -- in connection with this Jihad -- and it scares the hell out of me. I've even been thinking of the WWII Japanese chemical and biological warfare experimentation. What if this was an act of desperation -- with the knowledge that nuclear-weapons and UFO's were being developed elsewhere in the world?! Make damn sure that you have ALL of the facts when judging individuals, religions, races, and nations. This world (and probably this universe) are probably more problematic and complex than anyone can possibly imagine. What if God (at least in this solar system) exhibits characteristics related to the Holy-War between the Medical-Military-Money Complex and the Prevention-Peace-Philanthropy Complex?? I mean no disrespect. What if the solar system (and possibly the universe) must be run by someone who might be similar to the Borg-Queen in Star Trek Voyager?? Try conceptually combining the Borg-Queen -- Cleopatra -- Isis -- Anna (in "V") -- Ellen White -- British-Queens -- et al!! Again, I mean absolutely zero disrespect. I imagine things which scare the hell out of me -- which I mostly don't wish to talk about. Living a Life of Quiet-Desperation -- driving through the mountains in a Porsche 911 GT3 -- is looking better all the time!!


Somehow, I feel the need to concentrate my research on the twenty-second century -- but I'm uncertain regarding how to proceed. I'm watching the Dark Frontier episode of the fifth-season of Star Trek: Voyager -- and mention was made of an "economic-realignment of the world-order in the twenty-second century". 2133 A.D. is in the twenty-second century. Think About It. This Might be Sirius. Consider (one more time) the following study-list (in the following order -- read straight-through rapidly and repeated endlessly):

1. Prophets and Kings (Ellen White).
2. Job through Daniel (King James Version).
3. The Desire of Ages (Ellen White).
4. Job through Daniel (King James Version).
5. Prophets and Kings (Ellen White).
6. Job through Daniel (King James Version).
7. The Desire of Ages (Ellen White).

It might take several months (or years) to understand this approach. I'm not sure I understand. Once again -- this is NOT a line in the sand. I'm not sure what this approach ultimately yields. I doubt that it yields any existing religion or denomination (including the SDA church). I am aware of significant problems and issues related to these sources -- but I think this task needs to be done with enthusiasm and persistence -- as a place of beginning for possible "clean sheet of stone" contemporary theologies. I am NOT a "Reactionary-Traditionalist". This study is based upon experience -- research -- intuition -- perspiration -- and inspiration. BTW -- how does one improve upon perceived-perfection -- in the context of heaven?? Do curiosity and/or "better-ideas" equal "sin"?? Is evolutionary-change even an option?? Does any bottom-up change constitute "rebellion"?? Is "revolutionary-change" the only way to change things (for better or worse) in such a situation?? Does "trust and obey" equal "rust and obey"?? Does responsible-freedom facilitate intelligent absolute-obedience?? Is the Creator of Humanity considered to be the Author of Sin and Confusion?? Think long and hard about what I just said.

Once again -- how do we REALLY know anything about anything -- especially regarding antiquity and the otherworldly?? Everyone and Everything Seems to be Shifting-Sand to Me. The Wisdom-Books in the Holy-Bible seem to be some of the Brightest-Lights of Antiquity. If One Adds the Major Prophets -- Why is the Rest of the Bible Really Necessary -- Especially When So Much of It Seems So Questionable and Problematic?? The Ethics and Eschatology are Horrible!! What If a Proper Commentary on Job Through Daniel Should be the New-Testament in Modernity?? I'm NOT Against Jesus -- But I Have HUGE Questions Regarding the Life and Teachings of Jesus as Recorded in the New-Testament. I Have Even Greater Questions Regarding Acts Through Revelation. Something is Very Wrong -- But If One Questions Anything -- They Are Branded As a Reprobate-Heretic. The Old-Testament Seems Exclusively and Excessively Biased Toward the Jews and Judaism. The New-Testament Seems Exclusively and Excessively Biased Against the Jews and Judaism. Is Job Through Daniel a Reasonable Middle-Way (Especially If Given a Modern-Universal Application)?? No One Seems to Give a Damn About Any of This. Why???

I think we need to take a very close look at what EVERYONE has done (or not done) with Job through Daniel for thousands of years. What if the New Testament had featured Job through Daniel?? I am NOT dogmatic about this -- but I think this area should be looked at very closely. Also -- consider looking at what a Roman Catholic "Heaven" would be like. There's a HUGE difference between independently studying Roman Catholicism versus being a Submissive Member of the Roman Catholic Church. Also -- there's a HUGE difference between the understandings of Rank and File Catholic Parishioners versus Top Ranking Roman Catholic Scholars. I continue to suspect that Roman Catholicism (historically and presently) is a Corrupted Version of an Idealistic Plan. Politics and Religion are incredibly Slippery Slopes -- with the Road to Hell Paved with Good Intentions. I am presently very suspicious of BOTH Catholicism and Protestantism. Continue to take a very close look at Rome, London, Washington D.C., the United Nations, and the Dark-Side of the Moon. I continue to wish to be a Passive Non-Instigating Researcher. I continue to wish to become less and less vocal. I've honestly been trying to completely stop posting for several years now. I've tried to stop thinking about the madness for several decades. I think I've been in Nervous-Breakdown Mode for most of my adult life (in a very low-grade sense). I frankly don't see this changing for the remainder of this present incarnation. We all have our crosses to bear.

What if one privately and deeply studied Job through Daniel -- and then publically implemented a Minimalist and Refined Robert H. Schuller Approach?? Does anyone have any idea of what I'm talking about?? The Arrogant Bastards seem to dominate this seemingly God-Forsaken Planet. On the other hand -- who really Ordains the Powers That Be?? Are we really dealing with Universal Star Wars -- going way, way, way, way back?? Do "Nice-Guys" really finish last in this universe?? What if I'm NOT a "Nice-Guy" -- going way, way, way, way back?? What if this particular incarnation was (and is) some sort of a "Test"?? What if I wish for this universe to be "Nice"?? But what if this wish is an Impossible-Dream?? Remember that Da'an (in Earth: Final Conflict) was more of a Bad@$$ than he/she seemed to be. What if I really need to spend the rest of my life thinking in terms of a Medical--Military--Money Complex in Idealistic Yet Pragmatic Ways?? What if Mr. Edgars in the Fourth-Season of Babylon 5 is somehow a model of how a solar system must be run?? Think exhaustively about what I just said. I don't like this concept -- but what if this is the "Way Things Are"?? I've had contact with someone who sort of reminds me of Mr. Edgars -- but I don't want to talk about it. There's a lot of things I don't want to talk about. Imagine Mr. Edgars and Mr. Mordin as Galactic Business Partners!! Does that suggestion send chills up and down anyone's spine?? Anyone?? Please spend a couple of bucks, and watch "The Exercise of Vital Powers". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL78vps29Xs Here are a couple of sampler videos. Remember -- they supposedly like me on Phobos -- and that thought scares the hell out of me. It really does. BTW -- "What Do You Want??"


Does anyone get what I'm getting-at?? Anyone?? If this world is based upon the shifting sands of lies and half-truths -- then "Disclosure and Regime-Change" might be the End of Us All. Is some sort of a Holy-War just around the corner?? Think in terms of Possibility-Thinking -- followed by Positive-Speaking. In other words -- think of as many possibilities (positive and negative) as possible -- and then communicate your solutions in simple and positive ways. Despite my hinting and modeling -- I really just wish to continue listening and watching -- and perhaps passively-posting -- and that's pretty much it -- no matter what happens -- and I mean "no matter what". I am horribly hamstrung and fatigued -- and nothing seems to help -- so I'll probably be irreparably screwed-up for the rest of my life. Don't expect a "miraculous-recovery". Once again -- my thinking has been decades in the making. This thread didn't just materialize overnight. I'm not possessed (as far as I know) -- but I think I am harassed and oppressed 24/7. But really -- I go looking for trouble when I speculate about the unmentionable -- the unthinkable -- and the unknowable. I really don't see an upside in any of this. Beware of Positive-Developments which are engineered to ultimately become Negative-Catastrophes. BTW -- has anyone connected the "Resurrection of the Dead" with a "Zombie-Apocalypse"?? If Demonic-Beings can impersonate Dead Loved-Ones (in a séance or other such occurrence) why couldn't they pull-off a "Mock-Resurrection"?? Just wondering. What do you think about these three Sherry Shriner shows?? Please talk to me. I continue to be Wary of Sherry -- but I think she knows a HUGE amount -- and that she mixes the "good-stuff" with the "ridiculous-stuff". I sort of do that sometimes. I deal with Sirius-Subjects in Crazy-Ways -- just to make us think.

1. http://www.blogtalkradio.com/sherrytalkradio/2014/07/08/07-07-14-monday-night-with-sherry-shriner

2. http://www.blogtalkradio.com/sherrytalkradio/2015/03/24/03-23-15-monday-night-with-sherry-shriner

3. http://www.blogtalkradio.com/sherrytalkradio/2015/04/07/04-06-15-monday-night-with-sherry-shriner

I've recently made a small issue regarding the Messianic-Name "Immanuel" -- and in Sherry's 04-06-15 show -- she connects the name "Immanuel" with a False-Messiah. Interesting. Once again -- I have no idea what's really going-on -- and I have no idea what's really going to happen. I'm honestly not "playing-dumb". The view-count for this thread has all but stopped -- and I swear that when the reposting and editing is finished -- I will not continue this thread (or probably any thread). I sense that choices have been made (at the highest levels) which are much less than ideal. I also sense that when the general-public finds out what you've done -- there will be pandemonium --  but I SO hope I'm wrong. I think I'll have to privately agonize over life, the universe, and everything -- as sort of a private hell. I really think there will be some sort of an information restriction (for legitimate and illegitimate reasons) -- and I'd rather control myself than be controlled by who knows who (or what)?!

magamud wrote:Here was a post from the video you supplied Ortho.

List of 911 key people assassinated by the CIA after 911:

Paul Smith ( wnbc heli pilot), Barry Jennings (wtc security manager), Kenneth Johannemann (explosions witness), Beverly Eckert (911 activist), Bruce Ivins (FBI Anthrax Scientist), Salvatore Princiotta (FNY Firefighter), David Wherley (US General ), Christopher Landis (Virginia Dept of Transportation), Bertha Champagne (Marvin Bush Babysitter...), Michael H. Doran (911 victims lawyer), Deborah Palfrey (run terrorists' escort services)...

They openly assassinate people and it just goes into the memory hole.  Can this mind fog just be programming?  Stimulus response pavlovian behavior modification?  Maybe or is their other EMP, Radar, Scalar bullshit going on to create a Mist?

"Why, you do not even know what will happen tomorrow. What is your life? You are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes."

Thank-you for posting those names, magamud. I almost posted them myself. It reminded me of all of the JFK assassination witnesses who seemingly got murdered. What really scares me is to imagine the rationalization-process which goes into all of the reprehensible and violent murder and mayhem -- seemingly perpetrated by the Solar System Elite. The part that absolutely terrifies me is the possibility that there MIGHT be some legitimate reasons why the horrific activities are ordered and executed. I was told that God was trying to get our attention with 9/11. I heard that a clergyperson who witnessed 9/11 said of the hijackers, "They must've done it for God." I was told that 9/11 was done to keep something much worse from occurring. Remember that Leo Zagami rant, where he said that HE ordered the Twin-Towers brought-down -- said that he was Jesus AND said that Amen Ra was his father??!! I was asked if I knew who ordered the JFK assassination?! I won't tell you my answer OR the response to my answer. I'm just going to repeat that I suspect a Rogue-Element of the Secret-Government.

I keep imagining being part of an Ethical and Open Centralized Solar System Government (in a future incarnation) -- and I think that might be quite cool. However, I am extremely apprehensive regarding the way this Solar System REALLY works presently AND how it has worked for thousands of years. Again, what truly frightens me is the possibility that a Bad-Humanity MUST be ruled in a somewhat Sinister, Heartless, and Ruthless Manner -- and that a Truly Good CEO of Purgatory Incorporated would NOT last more than a couple of years (or a couple of months). I keep thinking in terms of Good-Anna v Bad-Anna -- with the possibility that a Bad-Anna might be necessary presently -- but that a Good-Anna would be preferable at a future date -- presumably when Humanity were MUCH more ethical and advanced. I have tried to think about a lot of things from a lot of different angles -- including the Dark and Regressive Sides. What would I do presently if I were a Draconian-Reptilian CEO of Purgatory Incorporated -- living in a Base on the Dark-Side of the Moon???!!! What might THAT be like???!!! Does anyone else think like this???!!! I didn't think so.

I'm sorry to be repetitious and ignorant regarding the following BUT has anyone thought much about the possibility of a Roman Catholic Model based upon 1. The Traditional Latin Mass? 2. The 1928 Book of Common Prayer? 3. Life of Christ by Fulton Sheen. 4. The Manner and Logic of Fulton Sheen -- as seen in his television-programs?  5. Sacred Classical Music? Again, this is an attempted Novus-Protestantism which conceptualizes an Idealistic Roman Catholic Church -- rather than just writing it off -- and saying that they're all going to burn in hell. I truly don't know what I'm talking about -- but at least I am giving the subject some attention in a science-fictional context -- without making a big-deal about it. I'll probably attend the Episcopal Church (the "Middle-Way") for the time being -- even though I have a soft-spot for the SDA Church AND the Crystal Cathedral. Once again -- I am skeptical regarding Friday, Saturday, or Sunday Sacredness in Modernity. Regarding Catholicism -- I like the fact that the larger churches are open during daylight-hours 7 days a week -- and services are often offered morning and evening 7 days a week. My reference to the Traditional Latin Mass has more to do with my trying to understand what an Uncompromising Minimalist-Traditionalist Approach might look like -- with Ecumenical-Potential. My preference is merely listening to Sacred-Music while Meditating, Praying, Reading, and Reflecting in a Sacred-Space. But please consider all of this as being a different way of writing science-fiction RATHER than being a different way of doing theology. I really don't know much about theology or science-fiction. I am truly a completely-ignorant fool -- and that is NOT merely a becoming-humility.


Shouldn't the Teachings of Jesus and Peter in the New Testament be absolutely foundational for the Roman Catholic Church?? But what if the reality is that they have HAD to do what a Harsh God of This World has DEMANDED they do?? What if they have NOT had a choice in the matter?? What if Paul was BOTH a good-guy and a bad-guy?? What if Paul did what he had to do -- even though it might not have been the idealistically right-thing to do?? I love the rhetoric and logic in the Pauline-Epistles -- yet they often seem to conflict with what Jesus actually taught. I think there really is a Legitimate New-Testament Theology of Righteousness by Works -- which is NOT Sacramental or Ceremonial -- but which is rather Character-Related. I have problems with BOTH the traditional Roman Catholic Theology AND the Teachings of Martin Luther. But perhaps BOTH the Church and Luther did what they HAD to do under the circumstances. I think that Proper Liturgical Discipline and Practice is Character-Developing in Nature -- and Somewhat Redemptive. However, I do NOT think that just going through the Liturgical-Motions, without a Change of Heart, saves us in any way, shape, or form. God is NOT so easily fooled. I think SDA's get it partially right when they speak of character-development (and even character-perfection) BUT I think they miss the boat in SO many ways. Once again, spend some quality time thinking about Fulton Sheen and the Latin Mass. I'm NOT saying this is the way things should be -- and I am NOT expressing favoritism. I am merely suggesting a mental and spiritual exercise for certain researchers. I'm talking to a pretty select group here in the Mists of Avalon.

Brook wrote:

Another consideration?

http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t6650-self-replicating-alien-probes-could-already-be-here

Do androids milk the electric sheep?

http://arxiv.org/abs/1307.2196

Thank-you Brook. I think I need to read some Philip Dick and Murray Rothbard books. I think that Politics, Religion, Science, Science-Fiction, and Conspiracy-Theories really do mix. In fact, they probably shouldn't be separated. I've had about as much disclosure as I can handle over the past five years. In many respects, I've received confirmation of what I've suspected for decades. Right now, I'm looking for closure, rather than disclosure. I'm going to stop posting by the end of August -- and just digest what I've already ingested. I certainly do NOT wish to be committed to the Bethesda Naval Hospital (or go mad at Madigan). I appreciate all that you (and many others) have done. However, I never know when I'm dealing with Friend or Foe -- so I try to remain neutral and keep a poker-face. This probably makes me seem denser and less interested than I really am. Regarding Purgatory Incorporated -- check this out!! http://www.amazon.com/Planet-Earth-Inc-Empire-Exposed/dp/1927066018/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top I'm NOT just randomly making this stuff up!! BTW -- I'm looking forward to seeing the Europa Report!! Perhaps I'll rent it for 48 hours -- before it comes to theaters. Perhaps I should rethink being a Solar System Ambassador! Perhaps they play Hardball beyond the Van Allen Belt!!

Should my United States of the Solar System concept be reduced to the United States of Earth?? I have NO idea. I'd have to know the full-story to be able to make any rational determinations. If "They" told me the "Truth" -- I doubt that it would be the "Truth". I have a VERY Bad Feeling about this whole "Humanity" and "Solar System" Thing. I think we are screwed on SO many levels. What if ALL Souls in this Solar System do NOT like me at the deepest levels?? What if I've been brought here for nefarious reasons?? What if I'm screwing-up the PTB's plans with my United States of the Solar System talk?? What if I'm screwing myself, plus a few loyal supporters, with my United States of the Solar System thread?? I simply think that whatever is really going on is really bad. If you meet me -- don't expect me to smile or laugh. Sorry to disappoint you. I'm not exactly the "Best and the Brightest" or the "Right Stuff". I have NO idea where I should be -- or what I should do. I still like that "Reasonable Access and Accommodation" idea (with the understanding that I would not be a Pain in Uranus). But I Siriusly think things are WAY too screwed-up for that to occur for at least the remainder of my incarnation in This Present Container. I'm probably finding out WAY too much, as it is. I think I'm fighting a battle which very few might understand or identify with. I am SO screwed. I could make this thing SO much easier. I've been swimming upstream my whole life -- with NO end in sight. Just hire me as a Solar System Governance Consultant -- and give me a Room with a View with a Cray where the Greys can't get me!!! The Ancient Egyptian Deity called me a "Commoner" when I made a benign comment about "Tall Long-Nosed Greys"!! I'm Sirius -- or am I Aldebaran?? I called myself a "Turncoat Alien from Pleone in the Pleiades" before I knew there was actually a Pleione in the Pleiades!! What are the odds??

Aquaries1111 wrote:

Ortho,

I know what you do with your "imagery".  You are looking to plant a "seed" in the "imagination" of the "Dreamer".. Are you not?  Okay, so who am I? I am the Dreamer and the Dream and ask that you "KEEP ON DREAMING"!

http://evolver.civicactions.net/user/debradenslow/blog/2012



The Divine looks at "All Probabilities" in order to "learn" without judgement... So go on! Smile, You will still be Loved!

Aquaries1111 wrote:

I have always lived by my name in honor from the Divine! I will never give it up for I am proud of who I am!

Carol wrote:

Natural Immune Boosting Therapy / Diet
- get off toxic diet

1. Medical Marijuana / Cannabis oil CBD Enriched (Body as Doctor by Dr. Wayne Garland)

2. Vitamin D

3. IV strength Vitamin C & oral vaccine

4. Juicing (green vegetables: broccoli, spinach, kale, celery, red bell pepper, dandelion greens, apple, lemon with peel). Eat fibrous vegetables / little fruit (apples, papaya, pineapple, blue berries, pomegranate seeds, red grapes & seeds)

5. Vegetarian diet / eggs / fish: stay away from all white food; grains and sugars (sugar feeds cancer cells)

6. homeopathic remedies / spirulina, chlorella

7. Nordic Naturals ProOmega 650 EPA/450 DHA / Omega-3s fish oil soft gels 1000 mg

8. Essiac Tea: Essiac is a mixture of herbs that are combined to make a tea. The original formula included burdock root (Arctium lappa L.), slippery elm inner bark (Ulmus fulva Michx.), sheep sorrel (Rumex acetosella L.), and Indian rhubarb root (Rheum palmatum L.). Watercress (Nasturtium officinale R.Br.), blessed thistle (Cnicus benedictus L.), red clover (Trifolium pratense L.), and kelp (Laminaria digitata [Hudson] Lamx.) were added to later recipes for a product sold as Flor Essence. Essiac strengthens the immune system, improves well-being, relieves pain, increases appetite, reduces tumor size, and extends survival. Some also claim that it cleanses the blood, promotes cell repair, restores energy levels, and detoxifies the body. The herbs contained in Essiac are supposed to relieve inflammation, lubricate bones and joints, stimulate the stomach, and eliminate excess mucous in organs, tissues, lymph glands, and nerve channels.

9. Salvestrols: natural compounds in the diet which are converted inside diseased cells, by a specific enzyme, into compounds that can destroy the diseased cell. They are part of a natural rescue mechanism and may be essential to maintain good health.

10. Asparagus: 'The elements of Materia Medica', edited in 1854 by a Professor at the University of Pennsylvania, stated that asparagus was used as a popular remedy for kidney stones. He even referred to experiments, in 1739, on the power of asparagus in dissolving stones.

PROCEDURE:
1) Place the cooked asparagus in a blender and liquefy to make a puree, and store in the refrigerator.

2) Give the patient 4 full tablespoons twice daily, morning and evening.

Patients usually show some improvement in from 2-4 weeks. It can be diluted with water and used as a cold or hot drink. This suggested dosage is based on present experience, but certainly larger amounts can do no harm and may be needed in some cases.

Read more at http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/asparagus.asp#XV5rIvdwiQPSQ2TQ.99

11. Maitake Mushrooms - American Cancer Society
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12.  Coconut oil and Curcumin (Turmeric)  A new study finds turmeric extract selectively and safely killing cancer stem cells in a way that chemo and radiation cannot. A ground-breaking new study published in the journal Anticancer Research reveals that one of the world’s most extensively researched and promising natural compounds for cancer treatment: the primary polyphenol in the ancient spice turmeric known as curcumin, has the ability to selectively target cancer stem cells, which are at the root of cancer malignancy, while having little to no toxicity on normal stem cells, which are essential for tissue regeneration and longevity. By Contributing Writer Sayer Ji via GreenMedInfo.com

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B.B.Baghor wrote:Carol's words: "Oxy, one of the blessings I learned from a spiritual teacher from India was to chant "Neti, Neti, Neti" as part of a meditation practice. Neti means "Not this". Basically one learns detachment and not to get caught up in the drama that the mind and humans can create. Subsequently, days are peaceful, beauty abounds along with an appreciate for life. There is no desire or need to fill my conscious awareness with angst, worry, sorry, grief or conflict. One basically learns how to be a cork that doesn't get pulled under but instead bobs up floating along blissfully enjoying what is offered. I chose to move out of cities and live in the country for a reason. Then we chose to go live on an island out in the middle of the Pacific. Even reading the Drudge report can drive one nuts if the attention and focus is on the negative. These days I scan headlines rather then immerse myself in the dredges of Drudge. In simple terms I'm just trying to have as pleasant of a human experience as possible where I don't make myself miserable by focusing on Satan's playground. This is not the Ostrich syndrome.. one can be aware and choose to focus on the Divine along with the gifts the Divine has presented to us. These days focus is on spiritual connection to higher vibrational energies which are a lot more "fun."

Wow, that's an honest and beautiful way of putting it, Carol, thank you  

ortho's words: "Does anyone get what I'm getting-at?? Anyone?? ...... Please talk to me.......... I deal with Sirius-Subjects in Crazy-Ways -- just to make us think".

I do get what you're getting at, ortho, as far as I can get it. I feel that mudra says it very accurately, that "your conscience is your strength, driving you through life". That's what I hear you do in the USSS thread, only hadn't put it in words this way. Regarding some of the  words, taken out here and there, copied above, you do make us think. The thing is, it makes me think more about how to get what you think and how
to find a two-way communication with you, can you get that? I wish for you that more people here think out loud and share their thoughts with you.
On the other hand, haven't they tried, often genuinely? I don't mean to suggest to put a halt to your thread, but nothing seems to stop you in your pondering, wondering, feeling-through-the-dark Quest for Truth, or so it seems.

To me, there seems to be a missing of breathing out, ortho, in your Quest. The fire of your mind is a furnace and for a furnace to burn, there's a need for chopping wood and air. To me, it seems that for taking a fresh breath of air, you need to breath out first, a long one. Be it as a flame or a sigh, in the mountain cabin or in your present home. Matching your pace of thoughts, in the USSS thread isn't easy for me, it makes me feel out of breath.
I can't take it all in. "It's too much of a good thing" is my first comment on it, remember?

Give your mind a rest and ponder for a change, on making your conscience a felt strength for yourself, ortho, acknowledge your tremendous fieldtrip
in the human conditions and mindsets. Be, for a moment, content with the work you do and have achieved. It's one of the values I've learned later
in life, that it's essential and nurturing, to feel good about what I've tried, worked hard for to make my life work, for myself and others with me.
And wrap myself with a warm blanket of "feeling good" about myself. Both in a material sense, for physical comfort, and a heartfelt sense, for the infinity for oneself in one's heart. That's what grounding really is, you see? Grounding in comfort and trust, in being friends with Gaia, I mean.

To me, that's how Carol's words sound to me: "These days focus is on spiritual connection to higher vibrational energies which are a lot more "fun."
It's about a down to earth use of common sense, often arrived at when standing on a high place taking in the splendor of a view, or at the seashore,
looking in awe at the powerful white foamy waves, crashing at your feet.

Thank-you Carol and B.B. As always, I am modeling a particular approach which isn't really me -- but in some ways I am trying to engage in behavior-modification relative to that which I am modeling -- which might mean ending-up half-way between where I am -- and my modeled concepts and personalities. I used to follow the news and talk-shows very closely. I used to faithfully watch the morning and evening news -- including watching McNeil/Lehrer and Sixty-Minutes. I used to faithfully listen to three hours of Rush Limbaugh (Monday through Friday). I don't do that anymore. I've replaced it with something much-darker and more-draining -- and I am attempting to end this public-debacle -- replacing it with an even more problematic Internal Holy-War. Why?? Damned if I know. It probably has something to do with a Past-Life in Ancient-Egypt. Who knows?? I think the Ancient Egyptian Deity knew -- but they wouldn't tell me (much). What Would Serqet Say?? Anyway, I'm Sirius about a Holy-War involving the Medical-Military-Money Complex versus the Prevention-Peace-Philanthropy Complex. I think the goal might be to achieve a Dynamic-Equilibrium of Both-Approaches in Equal-Parts. This might be referred to as a Wholistic-Homeostasis. In a sense, I think I stopped trying to win-friends and influence-people a long time ago. I suppose I'm attempting to Think God's Thoughts After Him and/or Her -- in a Local (as well as a Universal) Sense. I really don't expect to have many (or any) fellow-travelers on this journey. I might be done with my re-posting project by the end of April -- and then I'll probably just study and edit what I've already posted -- while noticing what everyone else is saying and doing.

Thank-you A-1. There are Good-Dreams and Bad-Dreams. Dreams can be Schemes. Dreams can be Delusions. Often, turning dreams into realities does not meet expectations -- regardless of whether the dreams are good or bad. Good Intentions sometimes Pave the Road to Hell. Dreaming in Heaven could morph into Rebellion. Dreaming in Purgatory could lead to Heaven or Hell. I continue to wonder about the True Nature of Male and Female Human Physicality. I continue to wonder about the True Nature of the Souls Animating Humanity. What is the Real Problem with Humanity? Is it the Body? Is it the Soul? Is it God? Is it Satan? Is it a Quest for Freedom without an accompanying Quest for Responsibility? Does Lucifer Deceive Us -- or do we Deceive Ourselves?

I continue to be deeply perplexed and saddened by the Astronomical Number of People who have Suffered-Greatly and Died Horrific-Deaths -- especially over the Past Two Centuries. I continue to be deeply perplexed and saddened by the Destruction and Pollution of This Beautiful Planet -- especially over the Past Two Centuries. I continue to be deeply perplexed and saddened by the Non-Compassionate Use of Accumulated-Wealth. I continue to be deeply perplexed and saddened by the Irresponsible Development and Application of Industrialization and Technology. I continue to be deeply perplexed and saddened by the Use of Suffering and Death (real and/or depicted) for Entertainment Purposes. I continue to be deeply perplexed and saddened by the Degradation Associated with Sexuality. I continue to be deeply perplexed and saddened by the Dishonesty and Irresponsibility Associated with Religion and Philosophy.

I continue to think that the Proper Understanding and Application of Ethics, Law, and Law-Enforcement in This Solar System is Essential to Creating Heaven on Earth. I continue to feel as if I am in Profound Conflict with Humanity, Divinity, and with Myself. Something is very wrong with this picture. What if it is Impossible to Properly and Peacefully Manage Humanity?? What changes should be made regarding the Management of Humanity? Should ANY changes be made? Is there no problem? Is everything fine?

When I have spoken of reading the Gospels in the King James Version - this is merely a preference. I love reading the Old English. It makes the reading experience seem more special to me. I know about the mistranslation problems with the KJV - but how do we really know that the original autographs were the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth??? I use the Gospels as a mental and spiritual excercise - and not as an arsenal of proof-texts, to hurl at those who disagree with me. Also, I have tried to imagine what it might be like to be a somebody in the galactic pecking order - but this does not imply that I actually believe that this might be the case. This whole thread has been somewhat of a mind-game. I am very concerned about our plight - but I have chosen to think about it in a rather free-wheeling manner. I don't know what's really going on - but I do know that this solar system has HUGE potential - for greatness or disaster. So much of what has been going on for thousands of years is so sad - that I have to at least try to laugh. I continue to be concerned that most don't seem to have the ability to jump right in - and have some fun with the subjects I have TRIED to discuss. In light of the deplorable state of affairs in this solar system - perhaps I should just be pragmatic, and tell all of you to compete without ceasing, with positive response ability, in the pursuit of fame, fortune, power, and pleasure. Why should the bad boys and girls have all the good times, while the good boys and girls grind their teeth and have nervous breakdowns trying to save the solar system???? The excrementals are at the top of the pyramid - and these stinking bastards need to be flushed down the toilet!!! Put that in your bong, and smoke it!!!


And now, I present to you, Pope Obe Wan Kenobi!!! Notice that he is young, masculine, sexy, intelligent, and carrying a 'Light Sabre' instead of that damned 'Bent Cross'!!! Shouldn't Popes be elected by at least all of the priests, and possibly by all of the church members??? Shouldn't Popes serve for a decade, and then retire, and remain in the Vatican as Prime Papal Advisors??? Wouldn't this ensure that the church had the best and the brightest Popes possible??? I intend no disrespect. I'm simply trying to stimulate creative-thinking in a very limited and private setting.

Might we be dealing with an ancient overthrow of Osiris/God the Father and Horus/Michael/Jesus by Gabriel/Lilith/Isis/Queen of Heaven and Lucifer/Amen Ra/God of This World? Might Lucifer/Amen Ra/God of This World have overthrown Gabriel/Lilith/Isis/Queen of Heaven around the middle of the twentieth-century? Might this have been when the Old World Order (Zionist?) was replaced with the Masonic New World Order (Teutonic Zionist?)? Of course, there might not have been a changing of the guard at all - but rather the next phase of an ancient plan might've been implemented. Who knows? Might things be SERIOUSLY deteriorating at the present time - with virtually everyone at each other's throats? Each faction probably has it's pros and cons. I simply wish to contemplate doing that which is in EVERYONE'S BEST INTEREST. I still don't know what's REALLY going on - and I still don't have a Fecal List - but I'm starting a file. I think we need to be VERY careful that we don't kill the patient when we try to save them. I am attempting to focus upon historical continuity and evolutionary change by positively reinforcing the best of the past. I hope we survive this ordeal. This isn't going to be fun, to say the least. Whatever we try, isn't really going to work. No matter how we put things together, it will always be wrong. But we do need to attempt to implement more sane ways of managing the insanity. For starters - we need to stop killing each other. Godspeed.

Why can't we get past violence and corruption? I'd almost settle for getting past violence. It's the violence and human misery that REALLY gets me. There's something cool about 'The Godfather' - but the violence ruins it for me. Why can't the human race simply decide that there will be no violence? Why can't we have a 'Meals on Wheels Military'? Wouldn't we get a bigger bang for our buck by MAKING FRIENDS WITH EVERYONE IN THE WHOLE WORLD - INSTEAD OF MAKING ENEMIES FASTER THAN WE CAN KILL THEM????? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCAcWDDPdNY&feature=related

In a hypothetical Vatican-Based Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System - should the jobs of Pope and President be combined into one job? Damned if I know - but it's sort of fun to think about! What if everyone in the Solar System voted for the Popident? What if the Congress and Senate debated political and theological issues? Just think of the entire Solar System being the Sacred United States of the Solar System - instead of being the Holy Roman Empire!! I'm not saying this would be a good idea. I'm just suggesting that some of you think about it - pro and con. Perhaps the Popident would serve a ten year term - for purposes of continuity - and then retire from Popident - and become Vice Popident!! Hmmmmm. I think I need to go to bed, and sleep it off...


I feel like leaving Mists, and going on an intellectual road-trip, and just sort of look at everything, rather than being focused on the contents of this thread. But I'm not going to talk about this journey! I'm not sure if I will go, or when I will go. I might just keep making token posts here, while my thinking is really somewhere else. That would make it harder to figure me out, wouldn't it? I care, but I am so numb, that it often doesn't seem as if I care about much of anything. Perhaps I have a very bad case of the 'Paralysis of Analysis'. I'm really sick and tired of the silence and the stupid games. Why does simple conversation and common sense seem to be verboden? I feel like I'm a nut in a nut-house, who is trying to communicate with the men in the white coats, who are nuttier than I am. I just go berzerk!!! What would Billy Jack say??? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXXyms5g5ok&NR=1&feature=fvwp


I was just listening to Alex Jones, and I agree with a lot of what Alex and his guests say, but I don't always like the way they say it. I can only expose myself to so much negativity. I also wonder how people like Alex would govern if they got their way with everything, and then had to keep the public happy and content. They are quite good at making people angry, but what if they became the elites and the powers that be? What would they do then? I tend to favor positive response ability and positive reinforcement. On the other hand, I think I need to be a lot more like Alex than I am presently, so I listen to his show occasionally, to try to toughen myself up!! Some say that Alex is a White-Knight with a Hidden Agenda. What do you think? Are the Old World Order and the New World Order two sides of the same coin, or did the New World Order defeat the Old World Order? Is the New World Order running into more trouble than they expected, after having awakened a Sleeping Giant? I'm thinking that the New World Order screwed things up so badly that now they are in desperation mode, and are extremely dangerous, because they probably have control of enough WMD's to turn this solar system into one big asteroid belt. This might not be about ideology at all. This might be a gun to the head situation - if you know what I mean. Based upon what little I know, I continue to like the words Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System - but I remain conflicted regarding how the Roman Catholic Church would relate to this sort of thing, especially if they were no longer secretly governed by very powerful dark forces. The galactic and theological issues might have more to do with what Alex Jones rants and raves about than anyone realizes. The elites we love to hate might hate the New World Order more than Alex does! Just a thought.


What would a Roman Catholic Crystal Cathedral be like? Do the two concepts really go together? What about a focus on the Teachings of Jesus, the U.S. Constitution, the Latin Mass, and Sacred Classical Music - in a Contemporary Roman Catholic Cathedral Which Incorporated the Best and Most Appropriate Aspects of the Crystal Cathedral? I'm not talking about 'Buddy Christ' modernization here. I don't like the Sacrifice of the Mass aspect of the Latin Mass - yet I do like the solemn and reflective dignity. There really should be genuine sorrow for sin. (Sorry Dr. Schuller) But this sin problem should be remedied by becoming a better person - and not by the repeated unbloody sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Why is this so damn hard? I was watching a recorded service from the Vatican today - and it was quite boring! On the other hand - I'm not a big fan of 'Look at Me - Celebrity Churchianity'. Where is the happy medium in all of this?


Conservative and Progressive Modernity are Knocking on the Doors of Church and State! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfbA7_vjWLg&feature=related What if church services were like mini congressional or senatorial sessions - complete with elected officials and unelected observers? What if the elected officials wore robes (along with the choir) - and processed and recessed with sacred classical music? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ-pZp1FQPE&feature=related Political and Theological Issues would be discussed and voted upon. The choir/organist/orchestra would perform before and after the sessions. The utmost dignity and courtesy would be expected. Each comment or question would be a short and polished oration, which would be both informative and inspirational. These services would mirror the daily sessions of the United States of the Solar System - and would inform and assist the 10,000 representatives in arriving at their important and binding decisions. Might this be a safe and proper union of church and state? Imagine this sort of thing occurring at Notre Dame de Paris! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhBrYCq-cFU&feature=related Might this be a Latin Mass - Without the Mass? Do you see my point? Holy Deliberation Instead of Holy Sacrifice? Heresy? I think not! The Secular Must Become Sacred - and the Sacred Must Become Secular! BTW - how are things going in San Francisco??? Let Freedom Ring!!! 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xkx4inkewhM&feature=related 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq8i69-L-Fs&feature=related 3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qhEgE7-K34&NR=1 4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxBjqrPAUg8  

The bottom-line is that I would like for things to work out well for all concerned, if that is at all possible. At this point, I don't have an enemies list. I have hope for those who are supposed to be my arch-enemies. I even have hope for myself. I obviously believe in justice, but I do not believe in cruel and unusual punishment. On the other hand, there may be thousands of years of some very negative karmic debt to deal with, some of which might be my own. I don't know what to do. I just want to do the right thing, whatever that is. I might even negotiate with the most dangerous beings, if I knew that I wouldn't be lured into their web, and eaten alive. It seems as though we need to look into antiquity, to understand what is really going on in this solar system. Atlantis, Babylon, Egypt, Greece, and Rome may have more to do with our modern lives than we think. Take a long, hard look at the City States. This may be the generation who really needs to understand who we really are, and where we have been, so as to be able to take the most rational next step, even if it is a painful step.




I don't know how accurate these videos are, but I find them to be quite interesting. They really make my head spin, and I am being pulled in so many directions, that I am having a hard time keeping my head screwed on straight. I like all of this, in a morbidly curious and masochistic sense, but then I'm a bit different.

We are learning so much regarding what has really been going on, yet nothing really seems to be changing for the better. What is it going to take to turn this solar system into a paradise for all concerned? We seem to be on the brink of extinction, at the hands of who knows who, and for who knows what reasons? I continue to call for all factions to unite around at least the principles and concepts contained in a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System. I obviously don't know the details regarding what is really going on, but I am doing the best I can to seek to unite everyone in non-coercive and non-corrupt ways, which maximize responsible freedom, long-term. Once again, this thread is intended as a study-guide, rather than as an excathedra encyclical on life, the universe, and everything. Solar System Without End. Namaste.

What sort of Solar System Governance would John F. Kennedy have desired? Is this what really got him killed? Does anyone know? What about Pope Pius XII? Did the two of them ever meet together? Does anyone know? Unrelatedly, I'm still interested in knowing who Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer have been reincarnationally, throughout history. Are they the wife and kids of God the Father? What really went wrong? What can be done to remedy the situation? Consider rewatching 'East of Eden' and 'Rebel Without a Cause' for some possible clues. Is God the Father in charge of the Incomimg Annunaki? Are Gabriel and Lucifer in charge of the Local Annunaki and the Human Race? Are Michael and the Human Race S.O.L.? I have a very bad feeling about all of this. I see possible solutions to most of the visible problems, but I fear that the ancient and hidden problems might be nearly impossible to solve. I so hope that I'm wrong. Watch the driver...

When I speak of the possibility of a Non-Sacrificial Latin Mass, this is really an impossibility, because a Mass is a Sacrifice. Indeed, the Sacrifice of the Mass. But what if the Latin Mass were practiced, as is, up to the point of the Homily, which might be tripled in length, and which might apply the Words of Christ to the theological and political issues of the day, in a highly detailed and eloquent manner. Then the 'mass' would skip to the post-communion section. I know this would make the faithful livid, but I am simply trying to get you to think, which is probably a mistake. One would really probably have to start a new church, and create a completely new liturgical service. It is very difficult to put new wine in old wineskins. I sometimes wonder how many Masses have involved live human-sacrifices. Obviously these would have occurred behind locked doors with utmost secrecy - but I have heard stories. I have a difficult time thinking of the Mass as anything but a Human Sacrifice. I love the art-form, the solemn ritual, and the devotion of the faithful, but it's still a sacrifice, even if it is an unbloody one. Interpreting the Traditional Latin Mass by the Teachings of Jesus and by the Mass Itself - rather than by endless church documents - would be an excellent place to begin - but I think I'm going to leave this subject alone, for the time being, and let the Roman Catholics, Anglicans, Episcopalians, Lutherans, and Orthodox figure this one out for themselves. I'll let the experts figure things out - like they always do - with thousands of hours of meetings and thousands of footnoted documents. I doubt they would pay any attention to me anyway. I really enjoy going through this thread myself. If no one else looked at it, it would still be something which I could benefit from, in some way. I really do need to stop rambling, and start doing some serious multidisciplinary academic research. I think I've done enough whining for a while. One more thing. Check this out. http://www.innvista.com/culture/religion/deities/mithra.htm

For over three hundred years the rulers of the Roman Empire worshipped the god Mithras. Known throughout Europe and Asia by the names Mithra, Mitra, Meitros, Mihr, Mehr, and Meher, the veneration of this god began some 4000 years ago in Persia, where it was soon imbedded with Babylonian doctrines. The faith spread east through India to China, and reached west throughout the entire length of the Roman frontier; from Scotland to the Sahara Desert, and from Spain to the Black Sea. Sites of Mithraic worship have been found in Britain, Italy, Romania, Germany, Hungary, Bulgaria, Turkey, Persia, Armenia, Syria, Israel, and North Africa.

In Rome, more than a hundred inscriptions dedicated to Mithras have been found, in addition to 75 sculpture fragments, and a series of Mithraic temples situated in all parts of the city.

One of the largest Mithraic temples built in Italy now lies under the present site of the Church of St. Clemente, near the Colosseum in Rome.

The widespread popularity and appeal of Mithraism as the final and most refined form of pre-Christian paganism was discussed by the Greek historian Herodotus, the Greek biographer Plutarch, the neoplatonic philosopher Porphyry, the Gnostic heretic Origen, and St. Jerome the church Father. Mithraism was quite often noted by many historians for its many astonishing similarities to Christianity.

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The faithful referred to Mithras (REMEMBER, 4000 years ago!) as "the Light of the World", symbol of truth, justice, and loyalty. He was mediator between heaven and earth and was a member of a Holy Trinity. According to Persian mythology, Mithras was born of a virgin given the title 'Mother of God'. The god remained celibate throughout his life, and valued self-control, renunciation and resistance to sensuality among his worshippers. Mithras represented a system of ethics in which brotherhood was encouraged in order to unify against the forces of evil.

The worshippers of Mithras held strong beliefs in a celestial heaven and an infernal hell. They believed that the benevolent powers of the god would sympathize with their suffering and grant them the final justice of immortality and eternal salvation in the world to come. They looked forward to a final day of judgement in which the dead would resurrect, and to a final conflict that would destroy the existing order of all things to bring about the triumph of light over darkness.

Purification through a ritualistic baptism was required of the faithful, who also took part in a ceremony in which they drank wine and ate bread to symbolize the body and blood of the god. Sundays were held sacred, and the birth of the god was celebrated annually on December the 25th. After the earthly mission of this god had been accomplished, he took part in a Last Supper with his companions before ascending to heaven, to forever protect the faithful from above.

However, it would be a vast oversimplification to suggest that Mithraism was the single fore-runner of early Christianity. Aside from Christ and Mithras, there were plenty of other deities (such as Osiris, Tammuz, Adonis, Balder, Attis, and Dionysus) said to have died and resurrected. Many classical heroic figures, such as Hercules, Perseus, and Theseus, were said to have been born through the union of a virgin mother and divine father. Virtually every pagan religious practice and festivity that couldn't be suppressed or driven underground was eventually incorporated into the rites of Gentile Christianity as it spread across Europe and throughout the world.

The Lord's supper was not invented by Paul, but was borrowed by him from Mithraism, the mystery religion that existed long before Christianity and was Christianity's chief competitor up until the time of Constantine. Paul's "home-town" was Tarsus, from where Mithraism began. In Mithraism, the central figure is the mythical Mithras, who died for the sins of mankind and was resurrected.

Believers in Mithras were rewarded with eternal life. Part of the Mithraic communion liturgy included the words, "He who will not eat of my body and drink of my blood, so that he will be made one with me and I with him, the same shall not know salvation."

Originally Mithra was one of the lesser gods of the ancient Persian pantheon, but he came to be regarded as the spiritual Sun, the heavenly Light, and the chief and also the embodiment of the seven divine spirits of goodness; and already in the time of Jesus he had risen to be co-equal with, though created by, Ormuzd (Ahura-Mazda), the Supreme Being [J.M. Robertson, /Pagan Christs/, p. 290.], and Mediator between him and man [Plutarch, /Isis et Osiris/, ch. 46; Julian, /In regem solem/, chs. 9, 10, 21.]. He appears to have lived an incarnate life on earth, and in some unknown manner to have suffered death for the good of mankind, an image symbolizing his resurrection being employed in his ceremonies [Tertullian, /Praescr/., ch. 40.]. Tarsus, the home of Paul, was one of the great centers of his worship, being the chief city of the Cilicians; and, as will presently appear, there is a decided tinge of Mithraism in the Epistles and Gospels. Thus the designations of Jesus as the Dayspring from on High [Luke, i. 78.], the Light [2 Cor. iv. 6; Eph. v. 13, 14; I. Thess. v. 5; etc.], the Sun of Righteousness [Malachi iv. 2]; and much used in Christianity, and similar expressions, are borrowed from or related to Mithraic phraseology.

Mithra was born from a rock [Firmicus, /De errore/, xxi.; etc.], as shown in Mithraic sculptures, being sometimes termed ''the god out of the rock'', and his worship was always conducted in a cave; and the general belief in the early Church that Jesus was born in a cave is a direct instance of the taking over of Mithraic ideas. The words of Paul, "They drank of that spiritual rock ... and that rock was Christ'' [I Corinthians x. 4.] are borrowed from the Mithraic scriptures; for not only was Mithra "the Rock'', but one of his mythological acts, which also appears in the acts of Moses, was the striking of the rock and the producing of water from it which his followers eagerly drank. Justin Martyr [Justin Martyr, /Dial. with Trypho/, ch. 70.] complains that the prophetic words in the Book of Daniel [Daniel ii. 34.] regarding a stone which was cut out of the rock without hands were also used in the Mithraic ritual; and it is apparent that the great importance attached by the early Church to the supposed words of Jesus in regard to Peter -- "Upon this rock I will build my church" [Matthew xvi. 18.] -- was due to their approximation to the Mithraic idea of the /Theos ek Petras/, the "God from the Rock''. Indeed, it may be that the reason of the Vatican hill at Rome being regarded as sacred to Peter, the Christian "Rock'', was that it was already sacred to Mithra, for Mithraic remains have been found there.

The chief incident of Mithra's life was his struggle with a symbolical bull, which he overpowered and sacrificed, and from the blood of the sacrifice came the world's peace and plenty, typified by ears of corn. The bull appears to signify the earth or mankind, and the implication is that Mithra, like Jesus, overcame the world; but in the early Persian writings Mithra is himself the bull [J.M. Robertson, /Pagan Christs/, p. 298.], the god thus sacrificing himself, which is a close approximation to the Christian idea. In later times the bull is interchangeable with a ram; but the zodiacal ram, Aries, which is associated with Mithra, was replaced by a lamb in the Persian zodiac [Bundahish, ii. 2.], so that it is a lamb which is sacrificed [Garucci, /Les Myste`res du Syn. Phrygien/, p. 34.], as in Easter concept of Jesus. That this sacrifice had originally a human victim, and that it later involved the idea of the sacramental death of a human being, is clear from the fact that the Church historian, Socrates, believed that human victims were still sacrificed in the Mithraic mysteries down to some period before A.D. 360 [Socrates, /Eccles. Hist., bk. iii., ch. 2.].

Thus the paramount Christian idea of the sacrifice of the lamb of God was one with which every worshipper of Mithra was familiar; and just as Mithra was an embodiment of the seven spirits of God, so the slain Lamb in the Book of Revelation has seven horns and seven eyes "which are the seven spirits of God'' [Revelation v. 6.]. Early writers say that a lamb was consecrated, killed, and eaten as an Easter rite in the Church; but Easter was a Mithraic festival [Macrobius, /Saturnalia/, i. 18.], presumably of the resurrection of their god, and the parallel is thus complete, in which regard it is to be noted that in the Seventh Century the Church endeavored without success to suppress the picturing of Jesus as a lamb, owing to the paganism involved in the idea [Bingham, /Christian Antiq./, viii. 8, sec. 11; xv. 2, sec. 3.].

The ceremonies of purification by the sprinkling or drenching of the novice with the blood of bulls or rams were widespread, and were to be found in the rites of Mithra. By this purification a man was "born again" [Beugnot, /Hist. de la Dest. Du Paganisme/, i. p. 334.], and the Christian expression "washed in the blood of the Lamb" is undoubtedly a reflection of this idea, the reference thus being clear in the words of the Epistle to the Hebrews: "It is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins". In this passage the writer goes on to say: "Having boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way which he hath consecrated for us through the veil, that is to say his flesh ... let us draw near ... having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water" [Hebrews x. 19.]. But when we learn that the Mithraic initiation ceremony consisted in entering boldly into a mysterious underground "holy of holies", with the eyes veiled, and there being sprinkled with blood, and washed with water, it is clear that the author of the Epistle was thinking of those Mithraic rites with which everybody at that time must have been so familiar.

Another ceremony in the religion of Mithra was that of stepping across a channel of water, the hands being entangled in the entrails of a bird, signifying sin, and of being "liberated" on the other side; and this seems to be referred to by Paul when he says: "Stand fast in the liberty wherewith Christ has made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage" [Galatians v. 1.].

Tertullian [Tertullian, /Praescr./, ch. 40.] states that the worshippers of Mithra practiced baptism by water, through which they were thought to be redeemed from sin, and that the priest made a sign upon the forehead of the person baptized; but as this was also a Christian rite, Tertullian declares that the Devil must have effected the coincidence for his wicked ends. "The Devil'', he also writes, "imitates even the main parts of our divine mysteries", and "has gone about to apply to the worship of idols those very things of which the administration of Christ's sacraments consists".

In this rite he must be referring both to the baptismal rite and also to the Mithraic eucharist, of which Justin Martyr [Justin Martyr, /1 Apol./, ch. 66.] had already complained when he declared that it was Satan who had plagiarized the ceremony, causing the worshippers of Mithra to receive the consecrated bread and cup of water. The ceremony of eating an incarnate god's body and drinking his blood is, of course, of very ancient and originally cannibalistic inception, and there are several sources from which the Christian rite may be derived, if, as most critics think, it was not instituted as an actual ceremony by Jesus; but its connection with the Mithraic rite is the most apparent.

The worshippers of Mithra were called "Soldiers of Mithra", which is probably the origin of the term "Soldiers of Christ'' and of the exhortation to Christians to "put on the armour of light" [Romans xiii. 12. Compare also Ephesians vi. 11, 13.], Mithra being the god of Light. As in Christianity, they recognized no social distinctions, both rich and poor, freemen and slaves, being admitted into the Army of the Lord. Mithraism had its austerities, typified in the severe initiation rites endured by a "Soldier of Mithra"; and the Epistle to Timothy, similarly, exhorts the Christian to "endure hardness as a good soldier of Jesus Christ" [2 Timothy ii. 3.]. It also had its nuns and its male celibates [Tertullian, /Prascr./, ch. 40.]; and one of its main tenets was the control of the flesh and the repudiation of the world, this being symbolized in the initiation ceremony, whereat a crown was offered to the novice, who had to reject it, saying, as did the Christians, that it was to a heavenly crown that he looked. We hear, too, of hymns which could be used with equal propriety by Christians and Mithraists alike [/Rev. Arch./, vol. xvii. (1911), p. 397.]. The Mithraic worship always took place in caves, these being either natural or artificial. Now the early Christians, openly and for no reasons of secrecy or security, employed those subterranean rock chambers known as catacombs both for their burials and for public worship. Like the Mithraic caves, these catacombs were decorated with paintings, amongst which the subject of Moses striking the rock, which, as I have said above, has a Mithraic parallel, is often represented. The most frequent theme is that of Jesus as the Good Shepherd; and although it is generally agreed that the figure of Jesus carrying a lamb is taken from the statues of Hermes Kriophoros [Pausanias, iv. 33.], the kid-carrying god, Mithra is sometimes shown carrying a bull across his shoulders, and Apollo, who, in his solar aspect and as the patron of the rocks [/Hymn to the Delian Apollo./], is to be identified with Mithra, is often called "The Good Shepherd". At the birth of Mithra the child was adored by shepherds, who brought gifts to him [/Encyc. Brit./, 11th ed., vol. xvii., p. 623.].

The Hebrew Sabbath having been abolished by Christians, the Church made a sacred day of Sunday, partly because it was the day of the resurrection, but largely because it was the weekly festival of the sun; for it was a definite Christian policy to take over the pagan festivals endeared to the people by tradition, and to give them a Christian significance. But, as a solar festival, Sunday was the sacred day of Mithra; and it is interesting to notice that since Mithra was addressed as /Dominus/, "Lord'', Sunday must have been "the Lord's Day" long before Christian times. December 25th was the birthday of the sun-god, and particularly of Mithra, and was only taken over in the Fourth Century as the date, actually unknown, of the birth of Jesus.

The head of the Mithraic faith was called /Pater Patrum/, "Father of the Fathers", and was seated at Rome; and similarly the head of the Church was the /Papa/, or "Father", now known as the Pope, who was also seated at Rome. The Pope's crown is called a tiara, but a tiara is a Persian, and hence perhaps a Mithraic, headdress. The ancient chair preserved in the Vatican and supposed to have been the pontifical throne used by St. Peter, is in reality of pagan origin, and may possibly be Mithraic also, for it has upon it certain pagan carvings which are thought to be connected with Mithra [J.M. Robertson, /Pagan Christs/, p. 336.].

Do you think that the Teachings of Jesus are a part of all of this - or are they somehow isolated from the paganism? Also, if reincarnation is a valid concept, might the Horus/Jesus story have repeated in some sort of a cyclical ritual? I'm trying to figure out the best next step for Christianity. I'm continuing to consider 1. The Red-Letter Teachings of Jesus. 2. The U.S. Constitution. 3. The Latin Mass. 4. Sacred Classical Music. 5. Dropping the BS. The Protestants are more Roman Catholic than they realize - and all of Christendom is indebted to Pre-Christian Paganism. But this doesn't mean that there isn't right and wrong - and that there is no afterlife or reincarnation. I simply expect to get recycled back into the madness in this solar system - which is why I am trying to make it a better place for all concerned. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdB0mVa9H1w&NR=1&feature=fvwp

What do you think about Hitler, the Nazis, the Vril, Advanced Technology, and Gizeh Intelligence?? I am not necessarily opposed to advanced technology and underground bases. I actually think that it's sort of cool. But how did this technology REALLY come into existence? Did someone steal fire from the gods? What if the gods are really pissed-off now? I keep thinking that we are in a HUGE amount of trouble in connection with all of this, but I don't know the details, and I'm not sure that I want to know. But I would like to know more about Adolph Hitler, Victor Schauberger (died in 1958), Pope Pius XII (died in 1958), Nicola Tesla, God the Father, Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer - in connection with all of the above.

Who gave Adolph Hitler and Eugenio Pacelli their marching orders? I think these men were naive pawns. What was the relationship between the SS, the Jesuits, and Gizeh-Intelligence? Aldebaran might've been key in antiquity, but what about in modernity? I tend to doubt it. I lean toward a theory of the Orion Group essentially stewing in it's own juice for many thousands of years, rather than aliens from distant stars getting involved in our madness. But I obviously can't prove this bias.

When one stops trying to improve politics and religion - I think there is a euphoric exhilaration. Unfortunately, I think we need some form of politics and religion. I favor positively reinforcing the best of the past, with a Minimalist Traditionalist approach, as an evolutionary methodology of reforming admittedly corrupt societal structures. Letting go of politics and religion, on an individual basis, probably works, at least for a while - but on a global level, I think we're stuck with these strange bedfellows. I will continue to contemplate idealistic conceptualizations of church and state - and the proper relationship between the two. I will also continue to contemplate a perfected humanity, living in a perfected solar system. I doubt that this is going to happen anytime soon. In fact, we might be very lucky to simply survive. As the general public learns more of the horrible historical abuses of church and state - and as they find out more and more about the New World Order - and as they are adversely affected by it - there may very well be anarchy - complete with running in the streets. Then the noose might get a lot tighter. I feel quite comfortable with many of my conclusions - but I don't have a clue regarding how and when to implement them. Great ideas can be horribly botched. It seems as though the New World Order is being installed in a very sloppy and shoddy manner. I have huge problems with the Old World Order and the New World Order - but I think we need some sort of a World Order. In fact, I think we need a Solar System Order or a New Solar System. But as we all know, the road to hell is paved with good intentions...

Once again, I'm just trying to listen to everyone, and then ask a lot of questions. I like considering Jordan Maxwell, Manley Hall, Helena Blavatsky, et al without getting too close to their material. I wish that I had visited the Philosophical Research Society in Los Angeles. I drove right past it for years. I like listening to researchers, such as Dr. Obediah Harris. I think we need to encourage people to become skilled researchers in all subjects. I'd rather have people become researchers, than have them listen to my opinions and biases. We need a critical mass of responsible researchers if we wish to have an enlightened solar system representative republic.

I'm planning on doing less internet work, and more textbook work. I might not even notice when they shut down the internet. I wish to make it clear that the subjects covered in this thread are so much bigger than I am. I am truly an amateur, and I know it. This is like trying to ride a tricycle on the freeway. I'm trying to get up to speed, but it just isn't happening. I really do wish for things to work out well for all concerned, but I remain a bit flippant and irritable. For this I am sorry. I am trying to be open and friendly, while remaining neutral and non-committal. I might even be a two-faced, backstabbing sonofabitch, at times. My problem-solving modus operandi seems to require this mildly schizophrenic behavior. I just don't know what I'm dealing with, and this makes me somewhat paranoid and suspicious. I've been in over my head, right from the beginning, and I'm in way too deep, at this point. I really mean no one any harm. I'm simply trying to solve some impossible problems in some unconventional ways. This whole thing continues to be an experiment. I've done a certain amount of role-playing, which is way out of my league. Don't take this too seriously. Take everything I have said with a sea of salt. My level of burnout is reaching critical levels, but I will continue to contemplate a Vatican-Based Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System, in a very passive and non-academic manner. This is playing with hotter fire than the fires of an eternally burning hell. If you don't wish to talk to me, and I don't know what's really going on, or who I have been reincarnationally - what's the point in continuing this thread? The madness is always someone elses fault, right? The bottom-line really is the bottom-line - right? It's all about fame, fortune, power, and pleasure - right? The corrupt will always rule the stupid - right? Has the technology and industrialization made us safer and happier? I think we're going down - HARD. I'm sorry, but you know where I work and live. You know more about me than I know about myself. So if you ever wish to talk to me, just give me a call. I want my next life to be like the painting below, except I'd like to have a research library with a Cray! Namaste and Geronimo!


I think I've asked this question before, but here it is again, in a slightly different form. What would the Teachings of Jesus, the U.S. Constitution, the Latin Mass, and the Best and Most Appropriate Sacred Classical Music (lists and applications) look like in Canon Law Format? Do you see what I'm saying? The Historical Church Councils and Papal Statements would be disregarded, and only the above sources would be utilized in a VERY comprehensive, thoughtful, and organized manner. I'm very serious regarding this proposed project. It would take a helluva lot of work, money, and courage to do this properly. To me, this is a proper form of Protestant and Catholic, Theocratic and Democratic Ecumenism. I don't go to church, because I have too many issues with all churches. This doesn't mean that other people shouldn't go, or that the churches aren't doing the best they can. I just think that a group of Roman Catholic Scholars could do an excellent job of putting something like this together. This would probably not be for publication. At least not immediately. This sort of thing would take a huge amount of time and planning to properly introduce. I am not dogmatic about this, but I think this approach should be seriously considered, in consultation with all of the churches and governments of the solar system. A Catechism and Missal should be included in this project. Why will no one talk to me about any of this? Do any Roman Catholics even know that I'm writing this tripe? I would love to discuss this with a room full of Jesuits - but I wouldn't eat or drink anything. What I am proposing could NOT be openly proposed by an employee of the church. Can you imagine what would happen to them???!!! I think the only thing which saves me, is that I am unknown, and that I don't shout this from the top of one of the Seven Hills of Rome. This would essentially be an attack on historic Roman Catholicism - where what the church says - goes. Period. My idea is fundamental heresy - and I know it. 99% of the church would probably oppose it - but I think this might be the right thing to do - and it would probably be a prerequisite for a Vatican-Based Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System. Once again, I realize that this is playing with hellfire. I'm so gonna burn.

I continue to be very interested in how God the Father, Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer fit into all of this - reincarnationally and presently. I realize that there are aspects of the Latin Mass which are problematic and which do not have mass-appeal - that there are some hard-sayings in the Teachings of Jesus - and that the U.S. Constitution is not a perfect document - but I think this might be a possible next step toward a peaceful and unified humanity - which would not involve coercion or corruption. I don't intend that everyone would participate in this sort of thing - but rather that it might form a fixed point of reference, which would guarantee responsible political and religious freedom in all the member states of the United States of the Solar System. It would, in essence, form a Minimalist Traditionalist Core for Solar System Governance. There is a somewhat arbitrary aspect to all of this - but perhaps this might be a foundation for a future evolutionary refinement of the basic idea. Again, all of this is mostly intended as a starting point for the creative thinking of those who are much more capable than myself. There might be a better solution, which bears no resemblance to this one, but this proposal might be a productive beginning. The issues which would undoubtedly emerge, would be most enlightening. Here is an eleven-part documentary called 'The Hidden Story of Jesus'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Mlf8CIHCBo&feature=related As most of you know, all too well, I am currently attempting to integrate the Teachings of Jesus, the U.S. Constitution, the Latin Mass, and Sacred Classical Music. Would this conceptual integration survive the implications and ramifications of this documentary? Would this basic framework be something which most nations and religions could comfortably participate in? Is the real problem the abuses and absurdities of the past two thousand years? If I'm wrong, what might be a proper foundation for religious and political unity - without coercion or persecution? How should we properly unite as a human family? Should we even try to unite? What about the Dracs, Greys, and Hybrids? Are they people too? What would Isis say? Is Jesus a Christian? Does Jesus go to church? Did Jesus tell people to go to church? BTW - I don't even want to think about what these two men have had to deal with. Namaste to the Beings of the World, Solar System, Galaxy, and Universe.

Carol wrote:

EMP Nuclear Attack Fears Have US Reopen Cheyenne Mountain
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/193883#.VSqXqVxiqN7

Days after Iran deal, Pentagon acts fearing nuclear missile attack that would burn out America’s electronic-based defenses. The Pentagon has decided to reopen the Cheyenne Mountain Air Defense facility, which housed the heart of America’s air and missile defense of North America. The facility had been mothballed in a “cost-saving” move in 2006.

Last week, Admiral William Gortney, head of US NORAD (North American Aerospace Defense Command) and US Northern Command, reversed that decision and announced the Pentagon was spending an opening ante of $700 million to oversee reactivation of the Cheyenne mountain-embedded facility.

The reason - the Pentagon's fears of a nuclear Electro-Magnetic Pulse (EMP) attack by a missile that would burn out America’s overly-dependent defense, which is based on modern electronics.

US NORAD and US Northern Command aren’t just acronyms. They represent the last-ditch American defense of the continental United States homeland. NORAD originally stood for North America Air Defense Command, but now stands for North American Aerospace Command. US Northern Command is the area-specific designation of the US military command that is responsible for the continental United States homeland.

Given the current US military fear of an inter-continental ballistic (ICBM) missile attack with an EMP nuclear-device, Admiral Gortney explained that "because of the very nature of the way that Cheyenne Mountain's built, it's EMP-hardened. And so, there's a lot of movement [in the Pentagon] to put [military] capability into Cheyenne Mountain and to be able to communicate in there."

I'm not anti-technology -- and I am not a Latter-day Luddite -- but I am paranoid regarding the weaponry (of all kinds) contained within this solar system (even as I type). Most (or all) life in this solar system (human and otherwise) could end in a matter of hours (if not minutes) if all of this weaponry were unleashed. The Bible speaks of Angels Holding Back the Four Winds of Strife. This seems to have been the case since World War II -- which makes me wonder -- who REALLY controls this weaponry?? Is control of all WMD's centralized?? That wouldn't surprise me one little bit. I don't even want to think about what the REAL PTB (locally and universally) have planned for this solar system. I am extremely apprehensive (regardless of whether the PTB are good-guys or bad-guys). What if the PTB MUST be both good and bad to survive in this universe?? I don't know the answers to these questions -- and I'm not sure I want to know. I think I'm going to spend a lot of time reading Deuteronomy through Malachi to attempt to get some sort of a Historical-Handle on the madness. I'm not necessarily recommending that everyone do this -- but I think some of us must. I hate to be so negative all the time -- but the history of this solar system is rather nasty -- and the potential for things to get REALLY Nasty is HUGE. I enjoy sunny-days -- beautiful-sunsets -- and happy-children -- but the context for the nice-things is anything but nice (if one looks beneath the surface -- and carefully examines all the possibilities). Now I'm going to try to calm myself down by listening to David Icke for a while. World Without End. Amen.

I wish to continue to make it clear that my internet posting is for educational and entertainment purposes only. I am in no position or condition to do anything more than to observe and speculate in a very passive manner. I plan to study what I've already posted -- but I don't intend to do anything with it -- other than to possibly write some watered-down books loosely based upon my pseudo-intellectual research. But really -- I might not do anything at all with this madness. It's just too volatile and dangerous for an outsider to responsibly deal with -- and I am completely out of the loop (as far as I know). I have made repeated requests for genuine insiders to possibly do something with my internet activities (especially regarding the answering of my many questions). I simply do not know what I'm really dealing with. This stuff scares the hell out of me. Once again -- I have no animosity or favoritism toward anyone (at this point, anyway). I really think I'd like to drive around in a Porsche GT3 -- with a Lap-Top with a Satellite InterPlaNet Connection -- researching on the run!! Running away from the Nazis, Masons, Jesuits, Reptilians, Greys, and Ancient-Egyptian Deities!!! Here is something some of you might find interesting!!


I just finished re-watching The Europa Report. It is frighteningly realistic. It is also depressing. It highlights what I fear about having my wishes granted -- and becoming some sort of a Solar System Ambassador-Observer-Philosopher-Consultant. The theory is cool -- but I fear that the reality might be horrifying. The movie fits right in with my speculation and visualization -- right down to the English accents. I love intelligent good-looking women with English accents!! I sometimes think that in a previous life I really was an Insider who went insane because of an insane state of affairs. I sometimes think that this present incarnation was intended to help me regain my sanity -- but turned out to be a failure. The further down the rabbit-hole I go -- the more insane things appear -- yet I feel strangely more at home -- as if I've previously been at the Center of the Insanity in This Solar System. Perhaps the rabbit-hole really does mostly go right up my @$$ (as Raven suggested)!! When I go silent, a little more than a month from now, imagine me being in a small room on the Moon, reading books, researching on the InterPlaNet (with access to everyone and everything!), and going for short walks on the surface of the Moon. If that were to occur -- I doubt that it would make me happy -- yet it might provide a necessary environment for thinking thoughts essential to making things better. The Ancient Egyptian Deity seemed to tell me that I should enjoy the Sun -- because I wouldn't be seeing it much longer (or from so close perhaps). I didn't know what to make of that. I seemed to be both Friend and Foe of the AED. We supposedly had fought side by side -- and I was counted as one of two genuine Human friends (with the rest being minions) -- yet our brief relationship seemed quite strained (in a very cordial manner). Perhaps I should call this The Orthodoxymoron Report. If I go to the Moon -- and they let me post -- that's what I'll call my blog! What if the Ancient Egyptian Deity rules the Solar System from Berlin?? Should I have gone to the Mason Meetings with them?? Think about it. What's that strange blue light?? AAAAAAAAAAGH!!!!! This is why we didn't (officially) go back to the Moon.

An army of Nazis from the dark side of the moon launch an all-out attack on planet Earth after biding their time on the lunar surface for 70 years in this irreverent sci-fi comedy starring Udo Kier and Julia Dietze. The year is 2018. Defeated in 1945, a devoted group of Nazis led by General Wolfgang Kortzfleisch (Kier) blast off for the moon and begin to regroup at a hidden base. As work commences on the Götterdämmerung, a mighty warship that will strike fear into the people of planet Earth, Renate Richter (Julia Dietze) uses a truncated version of Charlie Chaplin's The Great Dictator to extol the brilliance of Hitler to the next generation of Aryan soldiers. In addition, the imposing Klaus Adler (Götz Otto) prepares to take his position as the next führer and father a new master race with Renate. Meanwhile, the U.S. president (Stephanie Paul) attempts to boost her approval ratings by dressing black model James Washington (Christopher Kirby) as an astronaut and sending him on a mission to the moon. When the Nazis capture Washington and get a good look at his smartphone, they believe they have finally found the key to updating their outdated technology, and they journey back to Earth in order to gather enough gadgets to launch their final attack and reclaim the planet in the name of the Third Reich.

More Sherry Shriner! http://www.sherrytalkradio.com/ I still don't know what to think of Sherry. I have theories about her, which I don't wish to discuss. I think she knows a helluva lot -- but I never know how much of what she says is fact. Consider listening to show after show -- one after the other -- to get a big-picture view of what she's presenting. I discussed her with the Ancient Egyptian Deity. The AED knew that I listened to her a lot. I keep thinking we were all Angels in Heaven in Antiquity -- but probably not the angels we see in paintings and motion-pictures. I keep thinking that there is no freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, or representative-republic in Heaven. If so, is this a good-thing or a bad-thing? I think it could be good or bad -- depending on the circumstances -- and depending upon the Nature of God -- and the Nature of the Beings Under God. Governance and Physicality in Heaven versus Governance and Physicality on Earth is a VERY difficult subject, given that we know so very little regarding the Real-Story of Life, the Universe, and Everything. Are we NOT supposed to know?? Is Ignorance a Virtue?? Are Imagination and Speculation really Sins of a MOST Pestilential Nature?? Is Trust in God really Blind Obedience?? One Thing Leads to Another Thing Leads to Another Thing. Were Does Academic Freedom End?? I presently endorse a Highly-Ethical and Highly-Structured Minimalist-Traditionalist Solar System. However, I still think that I'd like to be an Insider-Observer-Consultant as sort of a Palmer Joss or Chad Decker kind of guy. I'd make a lousy General or Debater. I am NOT a Master-Debater!! Consider my latest version of the Four Gospels:

Gospel I: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers.

Gospel II: Deuteronomy, Job, Psalms, Proverbs.

Gospel III: Matthew, Mark, Luke, John.

Gospel IV: Acts, Romans, Hebrews, Revelation.

There really is a method to my madness -- but you must bear with me -- and travel the extra kilometer with me. I doubt that any of you will -- which is the crux of the problem I'm facing. I'm suggesting that the Bible be studied privately -- rather than being quoted publicly. I am further suggesting that one should study the Bible privately -- and then think and do that which makes sense to them -- rather than applying the Bible directly to modernity. I believe in Absolutes AND Situation-Ethics. One must always do the RESPONSIBLE Thing. Another thing. Have we done better as Humans than we did as Angels?? Are things better for us now than they were in the Garden of Eden?? I LOVE the Theory of Human-Physicality and Responsible-Freedom BUT Something Seems to be Very Wrong Historically and Presently with the Human-Experiment. What Went Right and What Went Wrong?? I am SO Sorry that NO One Will Properly Discuss This with Me.

Is the Solar System governed by a Nazi-Masonic God of This World in Berlin?? Do Rome, London, Washington DC, the United Nations, and the Dark-Side of the Moon ALL Take Their Orders from Berlin?? Despite the often chaotic turn of events in the world -- I think this solar system is very highly organized -- and that it is ruled with an iron-fist. What if Satan is a good-looking and charming middle-aged male (in public)?? What if Satan is a Reptilian-Queen in private?? Once again, should a United States of the Solar System be an Idealistic Version of the Way Things Are?? Scrapping the whole thing and starting over might be an irreversible and catastrophic mistake. Is utter-destruction and genocide a valid final-solution?? The Ancient Egyptian Deity seemed to say that Saving Humanity was a Mistake. We Seem to be Screwed -- No Matter What We Do. The fact that most of us don't know that we're in HUGE Trouble -- doesn't mean there's no problem and everything is fine.

Please understand that I am NOT a Bible-Thumper or a Catholic-Basher. This is Political and Theological Science-Fiction. I am NOT a Theologian, Politician, or Scientist. I AM a Completely Ignorant Fool who is Fooling with a Cold, Cruel World in the Context of a Brave, New Universe.

What if Gabriel, Lucifer, and Michael were the Wife and Children of God the Father in Sirius - and travelled to Earth with a third of the 'Angels' - and engaged in a Genetic Hybridization Program which resulted in Reptilian Humanoids, Mammalian Humanoids, and Hybrid Humanoids? Veni Creator Spiritus? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDhYGdK0KQg&feature=related What if - at some point - Gabriel rebelled against God the Father - and the children sided with their mother? What if Gabriel was the Sovereign Queen of the Air - or the Queen of Heaven? What if Lucifer and Michael followed the orders of Gabriel - serving as Patriarchs, Prophets, Pharaohs, and Pontiffs - to name a few? What if Michael rebelled against Gabriel and Lucifer (siding with the humans) - at least a couple of thousand years ago - and became Persona Non Grata (nailed to crosses in thousands of churches)? What if Lucifer rebelled against Gabriel within the last couple of centuries (wanting it all?)? What if God the Father has recently come to Earth to clean up the mess? I don't have a clue if any of this is accurate - but do think about the possibility of a Galactic Familiy Feud. This thing might be simpler and more complex than we can possibly imagine. But once again, take everything I say with a sea of salt. Perhaps if I used some really big words, and made things really complicated, I might get into some sort of conversation with someone. Remember the 100,000+ views of the Abraxasinas / Thuban Q&A Thread on the original Project Avalon site? Perhaps I should try THAT approach. The sing-song, above-it-all, numerological, eschatological, evasive, dragonian mumbo-jumbo seemed to be a mind-game of sorts. Whoever was really behind it was quite bright - in a twisted way. I considered it to be more of a spiritual warfare exercise than anything. The deranged Wraith Goddess in the movie 'Stargate Atlantis' comes to mind. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx3NOyQG_ms&feature=related Could reading through the original thread - even at this late date result in some sort of mental and spiritual programming which could potentially be quite dangerous? I never could get very far into the thread. Perhaps this was a spiritual defense mechanism of a bifurcated chiasmatic interpolation of a synaptic stereoscopic worldview of a reincarnational geosphere tangentially oriented relative to the galactic plane in a perpendicular perpetuity of concupiscence. 888=III=MYMYMY=666=orthodoxymoron=Thuban I'm REALLY tired of this guessing game. I'm REALLY tired of thinking about the technological nightmare we've created for ourselves. I'm REALLY tired of the infinite stupidity. I'm REALLY tired of being ignored. This might REALLY be over - whether or not the ample lady sings. I'm REALLY tired of the bullshit. Take me to your therapist.

I was recently told that Satan was influencing me, when I tried to discuss some of these ideas. Heck, I was called 'Satan' within the sacred halls of this very thread. I recently told someone that no matter what we do, it's not going to work. They looked a bit startled and troubled. What I meant was that as soon as a standard is established, people want a different standard. We are a very restless, fickle, and impatient race. This has its good points and bad points. I simply see a future of conflict, no matter how clever we think we are when we try to create paradise. I also told someone that I was not particularly 'solid' regarding my view of things. This seemed to surpise them. I take issue with myself on everything I think or propose. I'm my best friend and worst enemy. I will continue to work with the principles and concepts presented in this thread - but I realize that there are thousands of other ways to look at things. However, if I were put on the spot, I would diligently work toward a Vatican-Based Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System. I would work outward from these few words. Working out the details would probably start World Wars III & IV - simultaneously. I really would make an about-face if I were presented with a brutal gang of facts. I am stubborn and stupid (bad combination!) - but I usually know when to call it quits, before things get too ugly. This world is so screwed-up that I think we will be lucky to simply survive, and maintain our current level of existence, for the remainder of this century. Hopefully things will vastly improve toward the end of the century - or near the beginning of the next. I do not intend to lie, or to create false hopes, which will only be beaten to a pulp by reality. We need to get real - real fast. I feel a bit like John Nash in 'A Beautiful Mind' - in that this thread is an imaginary tempest in a teapot - where I sometimes think I'm saving the whole damn universe, single-handedly - but in reality I'm just making a couple of NSA interns laugh their asses off!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qPeAEe23OE&feature=related On the other hand, I think a lot of the principles and concepts in this thread are valid - whether I ever really get my act together, or not. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to rewatch '2001 - A Space Odyssey'.

I would be VERY interested to see what the Vatican, the City of London, Washington D.C., the United Nations, and the Secret Government could put together, relative to a Vatican-Based Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System, which would be in complete harmony with this word-combination, but which would draw upon their unique perspectives. I'm at the bottom, and if I were at the top, I might not like the view. I like the basic concept, but I'd be lucky to get clearance to board a commercial airliner at this point - let alone hobnob with the people we love to hate - or visit a D.U.M.B. I like the idea of a Completely Non-Corrupt Washington D.C. within the Walls of Vatican City, which would Replace the Secret Government and the United Nations, and which would Govern the United States of the Solar System, with the Pomp and Circumstance of the Roman Catholic Church. Does anyone see what I'm conceptualizing? What would it take to make this happen? What would it take to make this proposed governmental system completely transparent? What would the Nazis, Masons, Magicians, Dracs, and Greys say? Eh?

Imagine being a composite of the smartest, toughest, and least corrupt people (or beings) in the Vatican, the City of London, Washington D.C., the United Nations, and the Secret Government. This is the person I aspire to be, but I fully realize that this will never be a reality. Still, I think this is a worthy goal. I'm trying to be in it all, and above it all - simultaneously. I guess I'm trying to improve the existing solar system government, rather than trying to reinvent it. I don't think I'm smarter than they are, but I do think that I have a unique perspective, which might be of some use.

I think there exists a spectrum of souls in this solar system - from the very best to the very worst. What labels one wishes to utilize to describe the best of the best and the worst of the worst is irrelevant to me. I don't know how much of recorded history is truth or lies. I like to study history for clues regarding where we came from, who we are, what we are supposed to be doing presently, and where we might be going - but nothing is for certain. This mostly seems to be a monumental and utterly ridiculous most dangerous game. But we're all in the middle of it, so we might as well make the best of it.

Once again, I'm going to try to stop posting, and just digest what I have already posted (including the links and books). This is probably more about self-development than anything else. I've invited others along for the ride, but no one really seems to need a ride. This might be just as well, because this journey seems to travel through the valley of the shadow of death, and to the edge of sanity. I just hope that if I ever meet some of the universal powers that be - face to face - that I will be able to converse with them in a reasonable and respectful manner. What might it be like to stand before a Holy God - without a mediator? Perhaps all of us are about to find out. Namaste and Godspeed.


Does no one have an opinion regarding solar system governance? This thread has been mostly intended as a motivational tool to make YOU think. It is sort of a Solar System Governance 101. I believe that it is necessary to carefully think through the contents of this thread before moving on to bigger and better things. I think that a wide variety of individuals view this forum - human and otherwise - terrestrial and extraterrestrial. I think there are some VERY intelligent beings who view this thread - yet there seems to be a stonewall of silence. Why? I would really like to get into a hot and heavy debate with someone who is capable and willing. I had a brief conversation with someone who was much more intelligent than myself, yet who I profoundly disagreed with. This conversation is no longer occurring, and I'm not sure exactly why. It's really hard to formulate anything without intelligent discussion. I hate to keep flying-blind and keep talking to myself. But what other choice do I have? I don't want to do the Alex Jones thing. I respect Alex, but that just isn't my style. It's as if my presence is not welcome. I also sense that if I really spoke my mind and really laid things out as I see them, that I might not be around for very long. I keep feeling as though the hope is that I will hang myself in more ways than one.

Should this thread NOT include a discussion of the Teachings of Jesus and the Latin Mass? I simply like to listen to Latin Masses, Gregorian Chant, and Sacred Classical Music as I read the Four Gospels. This is a preference. My use of the King James Version of the Holy Bible is a preference. Should a Vatican-Based Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System be based solely upon the U.S. Constitution? Should all of the historical religious and political systems be brought to bear on this methodology of solar system governance? Politics cannot be properly understood without considering religion. Religion cannot be properly understood without considering politics. United States of the Solar System Representatives should be highly ethical and spiritual people, as well as being worldly-wise. They should not be politics as usual, stupid nitwits, who are merely teleprompter readers, and who are compromised in the extreme.

Come, let us reason together.

I am leaning toward the theory that Reptilian Queens are at the center of an esoteric study of the physical, spiritual, political, and religious history of this solar system. Some of this bias is based upon evidence, and some of it is simply intuitive and circumstantial. I continue to attempt to be somewhat neutral in all of this. I continue to wonder how God the Father, Gabriel, Lucifer, and Michael fit into all of the above. How would my concept of a United States of the Solar System affect all of the above? Consider this lecture by Robert Morningsky. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxFzH3goUsc&NR=1 Also, consider this video clip. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMVKc5aw14g&feature=related

God the Father seems to be absent - and this really bothers me. I keep seeing Hollywood representations of a Queen killing a King. Or even the story of Oedipus. I fear that somehow God the Father (Osiris?) has been removed or murdered. I'm sensing a Vengeful Mother (Gabriel?) Assisted by a Sinister Son or Daughter (Lucifer?) - and a Despised Out of Power Son or Daughter (Michael?). I have speculated that the Obelisk and the Crucifix are symbols of the Vengeful Mother and Sinister Child's victory over Osiris and Horus. But this is just more speculation. I'm suspecting a Family Feud / Civil War - spanning tens or hundreds of thousands of years - throughout our solar system and Sirius. But I could be completely wrong. A galactic tug of war could REALLY get out of hand in a hurry. When I speculate about all of this - I mean no harm or disrespect to any and all involved parties. I'm just trying to figure out what the hell is going on - and how to defuse whatever madness exists in this neck of the woods. The official history is horrible - and I think the real truth will prove to be unimaginably horrible. I am VERY concerned regarding what part I might've played in the madness. I have no peace - even on a good day. Take a long, hard look at 'East of Eden' and 'Rebel Without a Cause'. Guess who Osiris, Isis, Ra, and Horus might be? Osiris = God the Father? Isis = Mary/Queen of Heaven? Amen Ra = God of This World/Lucifer? Horus = Michael/Mithras/Jesus? Righteous Parent and Child vs Rebellious Parent and Child? Incoming Annunaki vs Local Annunaki? Was Michael/Horus/Jesus a Rebellious Annunaki who became a completely Human Being - and became Persona Non Grata and Galactic Enemy Number One - of both the Local and Incoming Annunaki? Are we facing a Three-Way Showdown? Is there any way to properly unite the three hypothetical parties - and to avert Armageddon?

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdMjKq8xk-E
2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atWqEdyuy8U
3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7lAagZA-H4
4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3A6_blpqpU

Do you think that human and reptilian souls are identical in nature, and that they differ only in programming? Do you think that humans have a reptilian physical component, and that reptilians have a human physical component? I'm sensing a messy and complex genetic hybridization program throughout the aeons. I'm also sensing star wars. I'm thinking that the REAL history and REAL current state of affairs might be very difficult to deal with. I'm in sort of a Graveyard Spiral leading into an Emotional and Spiritual Black Hole. What do you think about the Holy Tablets?

Races http://www.zeitlin.net/EndEnchantment/Secrets.html
Introducing the Kadištu
[Extracted from the GMSS Interview]

The Kadištu "Life Designers" are the guardians of key places in the universe. Their objective is to cause to reign a form of organization and of "discipline" that emanates from "the Source" that one could assimilate to God. In this, one could think of them as "angels of God". Despite their high technology and their extreme intelligence, the Kadištu are not on a mission to resolve all problems. Insofar as concerns the history of the Earth and its development, the Life Designers seem to have chosen to leave the Earth, even though it be a sacred place, in the hands of the Gina'abul reptilians. This does not appear to be an abandonment, rather a transitional retreat, because to this day the Life Designers have not ceased to keep an eye on their creation. On the human level, this can seem to be taking a very long time, but to the Life Designers of the Universe, it is nothing. The Kadištu normally do not interfere in the development of races in full evolution -- in this case the Gina'abul reptilians.

I imagine that it was simpler to let the Gina'abul resolve their family problems among themselves, as there exists in the bosom of the reptilian family the Amašutum group - the females - who truly form a part of the Life Designers. I am thinking equally that the Homo type originally of the Earth and the Solar System has a karma that is connected to the reptilians, given that the Homo type has on numerous occasions been genetically manipulated by these same Gina'abul reptilians...

In his interviews, Parks provides glimpses of the numerous races at play in his works: those that make up the Kadištu collective and the Gina'abul races, a large part of whom are in conflict with the Kadištu. The female Gina'abul, however, are the Amašutum priestesses, who belong to the Kadištu. This is an example of the complex relationships and interactions that make up Parks' story.

Kadištu Akkadian: Qadistu, evoking high-ranking priestesses. Sumerian: NU-GIG, meaning "non-evil" but also "the image of evil" - sacred prostitutes. Related to the Latin caduceus. Emissaries of "the Original Source," they live in "higher dimensions" called "Angal." Role is to unify the species of the universe. Very powerful but do not interfere in the affairs of beings evolving in the "reduced frequencies."

Abgal Kadištu subgroup. Genetically affiliated with Gina'abul, but considered amphibians, with genes of a far-off amphibian race. Sages of the Gagsisá (Sirius) system. Like the Urmah, this is a rare Kadištu race that can evolve in KI (the 3rd dimension). They possess a delicious regard charged with compassion. A light energetic halo emerges from their body. A Gina'abul rebel race**.

Amašutum Female Gina'abul*. "Mother Lizards." "Proud People of the Serpent." Eternal symbol: two intertwined serpents. Priestesses. Kadištu subgroup, therefore also associated with the principle of "good and evil." Life Designers. Dwell in several regions of the universe, such as Ursa Major, Hyades, Pleiades, Orion. A Gina'abul rebel race**.

Ama'argi Terrestrial Amašutum, specially created in our solar system by the Gina'abul females of Margid'da (Ursa Major), undoubtedly cloned from the genetic library there. They have tails, as do the other Amašutum. Dark-skinned. Peaceful. A Kadištu race. Their home is the Abzu of Uraš. Their sovereign is Queen Dim'mege (see Personages).

Ameli Semi-etheric Kadištu race originating in the star system of Bun (Aldebaran, α Tauri) and still based there. Had permitted the Ušumgal to maintain a colony of Mìmínu in that system but drove them out after the Great War. The Mìmínu were relocated in Mulmul (Pleiades). This in turn forced a new line of Amašutum to progrressively withdraw from Mulmul and its Ubšu'ukkinna system, eventually to settle in Gišda (the Hyades).

Sukkal Kadištu subgroup having the form of birds. "Cousin of the Gina'abul." The Sumerian word "sukkal" means "messenger." In the Sumerian and Assyro-Babylonian traditions, the Sukkal are humanoids with the body of a bird and large wings on the back. The Greek term "anggelos" also means messenger and refers to beings with functions similar to biblical angels. Important Life Designers. Urbar'ra (Lyra).

Urmah "Army of the Elohim" Warriors / Life Designers. (UR-MAH, "great warrior", also "lion" in Gina'abul-Sumerian). Logo: the lion. Felidae or feline. Feline-humanoid appearance; actually resembles a lion. Always seen with claws; unknown if natural or artificial. They are from the Orion constellation. The official army or celestial militia of the Kadištu, who often referred to them concerning problems of rule. For that reason, the Urmah were found at several times in our solar system.

Namlú'u Primordial Human [see Decoder] Prodigious androgyne race assembled by the Kadištu on Uraš (Earth). Highly respected because it combined the genetic patrimony of numerous Life Designer species.

Kingú Akkadian Quingu. Sumerian: KIN-GU = "ruler over the Earth (or regions). Logo: the eagle. Princely root stock of the Gina'abul. At war with the Ušumgal. Three types: whites [Kingú-Babbar, grand royals; Te (Aquila)], reds [warriors-cleaners; Ušu (Draco)], greens [the people, also warriors]. Most Kingú possess a mark on the forehead, like a third eye.

Kingú-Babbar Royal albino Kingú, originally the dominant authority in the constellation Ušu (Draco), where they created the Ušumgal. Relocated to Urbar'ra (Lyra) with the Ušumgal, whom they left there at the time of the Great War. Resettled in the constellation Te (Aquila). Some are present in our solar system, originally from Te, and are central to events described in Parks' second book, Ádam Genisiš. They are in conflict with the Anunnaki and their descendants. Solitary, do not like to mix with others, because they feel superior to the rest of the Gina'abul. These are the largest of all the Kingú. Some possess wings and horns; others absolutely none. Those in our solar system have hardly any wings and no horns. Among all the Gina'abul, most closely resemble humans. They bear the emblem of Urin (the eagle).

Red Kingú Just beneath the Kingú-Babbar in the social order. Specialists in war; soldiers. Reddish skin. Have tail, horn, and wings. When the Kingú-Babbar left Ušu, the Red Kingú remained to govern in their place.

Kingú People Workers and warriors. These are the Kingú who take part in the battles on Dukù at the end of Book 1. Greenish skin (a little lighter than that of the Anunna).

Imdugud (Anzu) Mix of Kingú-Babbar (royal albinos) and Urmah. Depicted emblematically in Sumerian and Akkadian imagery as half eagle, half lion, respectively representing their genetic roots. White skin (like the Kingú-Babbar), sometimes described by Parks as fair-skinned. Appear "Nordic" but with a slight "animal" look in their eyes, an aspect that is connected with their genes. They resemble humans, often with blue eyes, and are very tall. Pupils are vertical. Emit barking or whistling sounds. Always seen with claws; unknown if natural or artificial. Solitary. Originated in Tiamate (our Solar System) well before 300,000 y.a., which is when the Anunna arrived. Originally created to watch over the terrestrial reserve and above all to serve to reconcile the Gina'abul and the Kadištu Life Designers. They had the reputation of being peaceable, not "looking for trouble" - unlike their Kingú-Babbar creators. They are always found in the background of the works of the Kadištu, with whom they have courteous relations.

Ušumgal "Grand Dragons," later Sumerian term for their gods and sovereigns; descended from Kingú-Babbar; creators of the Annuna and other races. The Ušumgal Council of Nalulkára were survivors of the Great War.

Šutum Male Gina'abul*. "Lizard" in Sumerian. Created by Abzu-Abba to impregnate the Amašutum, but their reproductive abilities were in decline. They suffered from a disease of unknown cause. Originally, laborers, working for the entire race of Gina'abul. Margid'da (Ursa Major).

Nungal Great Lords. "Fallen Angels". Book of Enoch: watchers. Bené Elohim (Sons of the Elohim). Those who coupled with human females without authorization of Yahvé (An-Enlil). Akkadian: Igigi. Male. Created (in great haste) by Sa'am and Mamitu-Nammu (see Personages) from Imdugud genes on which Abzu-Abba had been experimenting. Considered as Life Designers although no knowledge of cloning. Followers of Osiris and Horus. A Gina'abul rebel race**.

Anunna Anunnaki Warriors. "Angels of Yahvé". Created by An and Ninmah on Dukù, Mulmul (Pleiades), from a genetic patrimony discovered by Ninmah on Nalulkára. No doubt the cell line was enhanced Šutum. Wars among the Gina'abul brought them to the Earth. Anunnaki = "Anunna of the Earth." Have manipulated humans for millennia.

Mušgir "Furious reptile" - winged dragons. Assyrian: "Pazuzu". Can easily move between the "first and third dimensions." Originally created in Lyra by Ušumgal; An and Ninmah produced a second line on Dukù, Mulmul (Pleiades), using a cell line discovered by Ninmah on Nalulkára. Have tail, horns, and wings. May be compared to the numerous gargoyles that haunt churches and cathedrals.

Mìmínu Dogon: ant. Known to us as "grey" ETs. They are genetically-engineered descendents of the Mušgir -- wingless, smooth-skinned, diminutive. Originally created by Ušumgal with reprogrammed Mušgir genes, as part of a program in which the Mušgir participated voluntarily. Later numerous other Miminu races were created from cells fabricated by the Kingú. They know how to take orders. Slaves of the male Gina-abul.

UKU3-BI "lower multitude"

UGU4-BI "simian" The Ukubi were created by the Kingú for food (same as we treat our cattle) and by the "royals" and later by the Ama'argi to fulfill the orders of the "royals" (who tightly controlled them at that time). But Nammu clandestinely improved the race, rendering them autonomous (so they could defend themselves against the Kingú). Parks has found a Sumerian legend that supports this statement.***

Early Human Genetic combination of Original Human, Gina'abul, simian. Sa'am was continuing what his mother had done with simians. A first humanoid version, the first Ádam, a mixture of Ukubi, Ama'argi, and green-skinned Kingú, served as workers in Edin. Note that the Kingú themselves bore no responsibility for this creation. Their cells were included to mark the domination of the Ušumgal-Anunna over the Kingú -- to humiliate them. Following that, Sa'am, with the support of his mother and two sisters, clandestinely improved the race under the noses of An and Enlil. They added cells of the Namlu'u, thus in a fashion "humanizing" the Ádam. These beings were black-skinned. Having Ama'argi within their genetics, they had tails. The Sumerian name for them is Sag-gi-ga, meaning "black slave". The Kingú then countered by asking Sa'am to add their Kingú-Babbar genes (from Tiamate) to the Sag-gi-ga, resulting in a white-skinned human, which would mark their supremacy over the royals. They intended these to dominate the blacks. This being was named Lú-bar6, meaning "white man". Word play: Lú-bara means sovereign man; Lú-bar-ra means "alien" or "foreigner". Enki and his associates wound up clandestinely improving these beings also, again to give them more autonomy. These are early human races, not those of today. A more complete picture is presented in the section Creating Humans. The entire scenario is one of races' quests for power over one another. It is not a matter of growing fingers to pick berries, or tails to swing from trees, as our academicians would have us believe. (Although academicians evolve incrementally too! See Fingers and toes evolved from fins say scientists.)

*According to our strict human ideology about what may be considered human, the Gina'abul are not human beings. Therefore Parks does not refer to Gina'abul women and men, but rather females and males.

**Who are the "rebel races"? Designation as "rebel race" refers to events following the arrival and establishment of the fugitive Anunna in our solar system. This is treated in Ádam Genisiš. The Kingú races had already been mortal enemies of the Gina'abul for a very long time. They are not considered as "rebels"; they created the Gina'abul, and furthermore the true "rebels" are consciously aligned with "the SOURCE", which they are not. Note that the memory of their having taken refuge underground on Uraš after local military defeats has contributed to misleading concepts of "fallen" angels. Now that you have our definition, would you classify the Namlú'u as a rebel race? How would you classify the modern human race?

***"They were ugly and menacing, scattered to the edge of the world, at the entrance of the underworld. They also appeared solitary, held in their emplacements, alone and isolated, but appearing menacing enough. Dark little half-brothers and sisters. Thus, this must have been a different and improper creation of Nammu with another god, but perhaps also an experimental creation of the gods..."

Extract from the Sumerian tablet "How Ereškigal Chose the World Below"

This statuette (left) representing a Mušgir is identified with the Assyro-Babylonian demon Pazuzu, a demon connected with the subterranean world and with parallel worlds. It is armed with large wings and its body is covered with scales. The universe of demons was very present in the Mesopotamian spirit, to the point that the Mušgir-Pazuzu was considered one of the most powerful demons. Because of this, it was often used as an amulet, affording benefits of its good grace against the other infernal entities. Several amulets of this type have been found in the foundations of Mesopotamian houses. On the back of its wings appeared the following inscription: "I am Pazuzu, son of Hanpa. The king of the evil spirits of the winds that rage violently from the Šadû (KUR in Assyrian), it is I!"

Namlú'u (Primordial Human)

"The old men tell that in the beginning of the world, God created a man and gave him responsiblity for all the creatures. This man went out every day from his house very early in the morning to visit God's property -- that is, all that is found here on the Earth. And he would always return home very late in the evening, and very tired. But in spite of his great fatigue, he had to make his report to God on the state of health of all the creatures."

Oral Tradition of the Lumwe of Zaïre

From the 2007 Karmapolis interview in Nexus [N]:

Karma One: In your narration, the initially-created, original human (Namlú'u) is an extraordinary being, quasi superior to his creators and almost omnipotent, belonging to several dimensions, gifted with capacities of astonishing clairvoyance, capable of reading anyone's thoughts. This original human seems singularly close to the Source, namely the World Creator or "God". Just who are these creators of the Namlú'u? Why did they create such astonishing beings? And why in this form?

Anton Parks: I sincerely believe that the Namlú'u have a perpetual existence somewhere in Angal (the higher dimensions).

The term NAM-LÚ-U18 ("immense human beings") was used by the "gods" and the Sumerians to designate this primordial humanity. Later the term was used to refer to the Sumerians who were the first humans in Mesopotamia, those who were in contact with the "gods" found in the Bible under the names Yahvé and Elohim.

The departure of the Namlú'u from our dimension was synchronised with the arrival of the Anunna on the Earth.

The Namlú'u are beings who embody uncommon capabilities. They were created "all at once" by the Kadištu (Life Designers) who seeded life on this planet. They were in a manner of speaking the guardians of the Earth before the arrival of the Anunna.

There are gnostic texts, such as The Secret Book of John (NH2-1.28) that announce that:

This being was fashioned by "the creators", in the image of God (the Source) and conforming to their respective appearance. This perfect primordial being combined the various powers with which they (the creators) had been endowed, both physically and psychologically.

The Namlú'u were approximately four meters in height. They could detect thoughts and most importantly had the ability to displace themselves very rapidly from one location to another through the use of the Merkaba, the field of individual light of which the transmutation, through the use of the chakras and the Kundalini, permitted one to metamorphose into a vehicle of ascension.
The term Merkaba means "chariot" in Hebrew, but I demonstrate in Ádam Genisiš that this word can equally be translated in Egyptian, for example:

More information about the Namlú'u may be found in the section Guardians of Uraš.

Continuing with the interview [N], Parks responds to the first part of the question pertaining to the Kadištu:

The creators of the Namlú'u are thus these famous KAD4-IŠ7-TU ("ancient assemblers of life") [Decoder] corresponding to the Life Designers denoted as Elohim in the Bible. The Hebrew term Elohim decomposed in Sumero-Akkadian gives EL-Ú-HI-IM, "the powerful exalted ones who mixed the clay (or the clay beings: man).

The Kadištu assembled the Namlú'u with an eye to combining their science in a common creation on the planet located at the heart of a commercial route that embodied a zone of free will and exchanges in our universe.

The Kadištu professed to be in service to the Source that one could, briefly, equate to "God"...

From an earlier interview [K1]: The Kadištu live in "higher dimensions" (Angal) and very few of them can enter our third dimension; this doesn't facilitate direct contact and explains their circuitous fashion of approaching us.
They observe us more than ever before, and communicate via the intermediary of people they contact directly or telepathically. But such communications must be undertaken with great care, because of the possibility of wrong interpretation of what was received. Furthermore, there are many contacts in the form of abductions conducted by the Greys, who are usually in the service of the Gina'abul.

Abgal. This wooden statuette from the Dogons of Africa represents the widely-discussed Nommo, who they claim brought the first language to humans (see Decoder). It is identical to Sumerian representations of the amphibian Abgal "sages" (said to be advisors to Enki) and the Akkadian Apkallû. Anton Parks (private communication) reports that this image is the closest we have to depicting the Abgal race of the Gagsisá (Sirius) system. The Dogon, of course, had always claimed that Sirius was the home of the Nommo.

There are many suggestive connections. Recall that, according to Sumerian history, Enki had dominion over the Abzu, believed by the Sumerians to be a kind of underground sea deep beneath their feet (while Sitchin thinks the term refers to water engineering projects, bodies of water, and/or deep Africa). Parks translates Abzu as the hollow domain at the center of all planetary bodies. Sa'am was the lord of all Abzus in the Gina'abul system. He also had webbed fingers, by the way, greenish blood, and other indications of Abgal genetics.

Urmah Discussion by Mamitu-Nammu, soon after the arrival with Sa'am and others on Uraš:

The Urmah are formidable warriors. They make up the principal militia of the Kadištu. When difficult situations must be disentangled, the Urmah are generally designated to restore order. We consider them as the army of heaven, sometimes as the soldiers of final resort. They can be quite ferocious. They will withdraw from combat only on request of the High Council.
One of the only ways to differentiate [physically] the Nungal (or Kingú) from the Imdugud is by the shape of the skull. That of the Imdugud is elongated, but less so than the other two (and the rest of the Gina'abul). I think this is because of the Urmah genetics.

Likewise, the Abgal also possess a slightly elongated skull, but not like that of the Gina'abul. This would apply to the Abgal that you have presented on your pages [at left]. Do not forget that this appears to be the design of a statuette made by the Dogon of Mali. It is not a personal representation of an Abgal. Even if I find it somewhat acceptable, the fins are much too large and its head is not elongated at all, as it normally would be, a little bit.

Their original home is found in Sipazianna (Orion) [see Worlds]...

Several Gina'abul colonies ruled by three queens who escaped the Great War are found to be placed near Urmah. This seems to be an exceptional situation as the Urmah are quite independent. In each case, this rapprochement has brought fruits in the form of a remarkable hybrid race.

The Urmah has done the same here with the royal Babbar, producing the Imdugud.

Whenever possible, Kadištu who can evolve without too much difficulty in the KI frequency attach themselves and mix with species who are in difficulty to raise their frequency level. This activity of the Urmah works to reequilibrate the Gina'abul conscience through mixing with it.

Here, a small group of Urmah in the bosom of the Kadištu charged with the planning of Uraš made possible the establishment of a climate of minimal security. Each planner was thus enabled to bring his stone to the edifice of this natural park. The Sukkal were responsible for the insertion of oviparous vertebrates. The Nim, with the head of an Uh (insect), are the creators of the divers arthropodes that one finds here.

Nim: Term found in the Sumerian of which the diverse meanings are quite explicit:

The Abgal of Gagsisá (Sirius) [see Worlds] are occupied in large part with the marine fauna and above all with the Šim-Kúšu (whales) and the Kíg-Ku (dolphins) whose principal role was to reequilibrate the vibratory rate of the KI that was extremely low at the epoch when the Kingú had filled Uraš with gigantic Hušmuš (savage reptiles).

It was the Urmah who had the heart-rending mission to cleanse the planet by directing a demolishing projectile. Thanks to this intervention, followed by the introduction of the Šim-Kúšu (whales) and the Kíg-Ku (dolphins), the frequency of the KI was able to increase considerably, affording it a vibratory rate altogether unique.

Since that time, certain Gina'abul, such as the red Kingú, have had difficulty in sojourning more than 5 full Ud (days) in the KI of Uraš. The Babbar and Imdugud seem, on the other hand, to tolerate this frequency well.

As with UR-MAH (litt: "grand warrior"), the Sumerian term PIRIG designates also a "lion". We know that the lion symbolizes royalty. Is it so astonishing to see that the homophones PIRIG2 and PIRIG3 signify respectively "shining" and "light"?
It is useless to insist on the fact that over the centuries, or we could say millennia, royalty was expected to bring light to the peoples of the Earth. Numerous ethnic groups from portions of the Earth such as the Bantus (Africa, south of the equator), associate celestial fire (the sun) with the lion.

Phonetic decomposition of PIRIG in Sumero-Akkadian gives such connotations as "understanding", to govern, watch over, arm... qualifications altogether appropriate to the life-designer warriors called Urmah. Add to that the fact that the place of residence of the Urmah is Orion [see Worlds]. And on the charts of the heavens, one often sees Orion represented with a lion's skin on his body or on his shield.

In Greek mythology, Orion is a redoubtable hunter. He is the lover of Eos, a great Mother Goddess.

Robert Graves, in his work on Greek mythology, indicates "that Eos would be derived from the Indian Goddess-Mother Usha, with fingers of blood".

When we decompose Usha in Sumerian as UŠ-A, we obtain "the water of foundations" or "the source that elevates". Also, the Greek Eos is translated as E4-ÚS "the water that guides" or É-ÚŠ, "the home of the blood".

This indicates to us that Orion sustains the cult of the Goddess-Mother, she who possesses the "elevating blood" that we have evoked in [Le Secret, but not yet encountered on this page. Find the discussion at Initiations (1).]

It is exactly what the Urmah do in their combat against the Gina'abul males: they support a part of the Gina'abul females (the Amašutum) and protect them from the males, or Kingú (the dragons).

Also, Orion pursues the Pleiades in the sky [see Worlds, "Sky Orientation 4" chart]. The "chance" fact is that the Urmah are the enemies of the Gina'abul called Anunna, born exactly in Mulmul (the Pleiades).

Finally, note that in effecting a strict composition of the term SIPA-ZI-ANNA (Orion in Sumerian), one obtains "faithful guardian of the heavens", which is once again in accord with the role of the Urmah. As always, all is in in accord!

The Kadištu in their great numbers have brought their knowledge not only to the confection of the Namlú'u, but also to the different varieties of Adam (animals). You have not yet seen an Urmah with your own eyes. As their name indicates, their visage resembles that of a Pirig (lion). Their feline aspect is not without rapport with the felides that they have introduced here.

The frequent closeness between the Urmah and Ti-ama-te (the solar system) is not recent. It is common to see them lurking in the neighborhood when the progressive retreat of the emissaries of the Source seems inevitable. This shows us that we can remain confident, the Kadištu always keep an eye on this world...

Gina'abul: The birthplace of the Gina'abul was in the constellation Draco, which they call Ušu, but numerous conflicts that punctuated their history resulted in the creation and separation of subraces and their spread throughout "our universe."

Some remain in Ušu, but the Ušumgal and the majority of the Amašutum are in Nalulkára (in Ursa Major), the Kingú in Te (the Eagle), the Mušgir and the Mìmínu (Greys) in Urbar'ra (Lyra), and some Amašutum are found in Mulmul (the Pleiades) where the Anunna were also created. And it is war that has caught up the Anunna on the Earth.

A great many Sumerian tablets relate the adventures of the Anunna on the blue planet - the Anunnaki - in a sort of extended ode to these Anunna warriors. The chronicles show in detail how they became established and controlled the humanity that they genetically transformed from livestock for their greater pleasure, because the Anunnaki are somewhat lazy. This is how they came to be considered like gods (or, to be more direct, "God") in the eyes of humanity.

Unfortunately for these Anunnaki, who continue to secretly direct human affairs, humans are in full mutation and will soon jump dimensions... an historic moment long awaited in the history of humanity.

This subject has been mentioned elsewhere on a sister website; for example, see A Synthetic Myth.

Images of Sa'am, who embodies a great deal of Anunna physiognomy and genetics in general, are provided under Personages. Parks details the key variations from the more generic Anunna type.

Amašutum: Designers of Life

This is a Gina'abul female (i.e., an Amašutum). The drawing is a reproduction by Anton Parks of a statuette uncovered at Ur. Parks is certain that the shape of the head is incorrect, and he is working on a series of drawings that will show the elongation extending backward, rather than upward. In any event, she is wearing a wig.

According to Parks, all Gina'abul races shared this general look. The variations were mainly in the skin coloring and the degree of cranial elongation.

The "lozenges" on the shoulders are similar to those worn by Mayan high dignitaries.

To the Maya, these circles symbolize the OL, that is to say "perception" or "conscience", "the way", and "the memory".

At the same time, the Mayan OL is the equivalent of the Sumerian UL that evokes "the past", "an adornment", "a star", "the splendor", and the verb "to shine", as UL5 signifies "privilege" and "protection".

These circles or lozenges placed on the shoulders of Sumerian gods and Maya personages of high rank symbolize the crystals or ME in which were stored the knowledge of the "gods"...

Quartz crystals were the key to successful cloning.

The Amašutum, female Gina'abul, are considered a Kadištu subgroup because of their affiliation and devotion to this semi-Divine race. As such, they are supreme Life Designers.

Note that I am translating Parks' word planificateur as "Life Designer," as opposed to the usually more correct "planner." This is in reference to the current raging debate over Intelligent Design. The Life Designers or planners, whatever one wishes to call them, are superbly-skilled geneticists.

Thus, when deprived of the of the reproductive role of the Šutum (male Gina'abul), the Amašutum were easily able to preserve their line and multiply their numbers through genetics and their ability to clone to infinity. And where all the Šutum carried their unchanging original genetic material, the Amašutum possessed a great variety of facial appearances and characters, making each of them a unique and remarkable being.

The lifespan of the Amašutum was eternal, because, as opposed to the Šutum, their bodies would periodically undergo the Gibil'lásu (renewal of the skin), similar to the process seen in snakes and certain other reptiles.

There were rumors that certain among them could undergo death and resurrection.

Ama'argi

Amašutum (thus Kadištu) terrestrials. Their name conveys the sense of "remission of divine damages" but strict translation from Sumerian gives the meaning "brilliant and sustaining (or restoring) mother".

The Ama'argi and their queen, Dim'mege, live in the heart of the Abzu (the subterranean world), in the city of Šàlim (Sumerian: heart of eternity).

Their original mission on Earth had been to restore the planet which had been damaged by multiple military actions and genetic manipulations conducted by the Kingú. (This might be a reference to the development of the dinosaurs.)

At a later period, the Ama'argi were directed by their queen, Dim'mege (see Personages), to oversee the human slaves working in the agricultural domains of the Anunna.

The Sumerian symbol AMA (at right), used to form the term AMA-AR-GI, represents a sacred stele or pillar attributed to sky divinities worshipped by humans in a religious cult. The star in the middle indicates "divinity".

Kingú-Babbar

"We devour beings like you. You will have to deal with me, my little fish..." That charming statement was hurled at Sa'am by a Kingú Babbar leader, upon having his life spared by Sa'am. They and the Red Kingú are extremely arrogant, and were rumored to have actually eaten Gina'abul, whom they consider to be their inferiors.

Their ancient conflict with the Gina'abul reptilians was known to early human civilizations the world over, and depicted in many works of art as eagles confronting serpents.

The struggle of the eagle and the serpent found on a soapstone bas-relief in Nippur, ca 2500 B.C.E. Parks provides a congruent illustration from the Mexican Codex Borgia Fejervary-Mayer Plate 42, and also shows the Garuda Solar Eagle (Indian) and the Hopi Kwataka "eagle-man" each devouring serpents. See Example 4 in the Decoder for linguistic analysis. But why Sa'am as a fish? This will be amply explained in succeeding pages!

The migrations of the Kingú-Babbar are described in a later section, Worlds. Those who settled in Ti-ama-te (the solar system) did so under an agreement with the Kadištu (Life Designers). They had always made trouble for the Ama'argi and for Mamitu in her operations on Uraš.

The Babbar of Ti-ama-te did not practice cloning; by nature they reproduced by natural means. While no Amašutum-Babbar were produced in the solar system, the Babbar persisted in kidnapping (abducting?) certain Ama'argi, right under the noses of the Kadištu.

The reason had to do with differences in skin pigmentation and the fact that the Babbar line of Ti'ama'te was slowly disappearing. At any rate, the Ama'argi put a stop to the kidnapping by capturing some Babbars themselves, and placing them at their service (though treating them well). Since then, relations had been more tranquil.

The above-mentioned agreement required the Kingú-Babbar to cooperate with the Urmah Life Designers in creating "the common confection" Imdugud. The Sumerian designation Imdugud means "high storm", or "noble blood". The particle IM is often associated with "clay", but in the context of filiation, "blood" -- or even "humanity". (IM-DUGUD is not the only term that associates royalty with blood; the Sumerian word URIN -- eagle, blood, emblem -- is itself very explicit.)

The Imdugud correspond to the Anzu or Zu of the Akkadian tablets. Totally a part of the Gina'abul family, they are issues of two warrior peoples -- Kingú-Babbar and Urmah (see Genealogy). But they possess a certain form of wisdom via the Urmah, who are "Life Designers".

Their reason for being created as such is as follows: To obtain authorization to move into the solar system (well before the creation and the venue of the Anunna) the Kingú-Babbar had to accept mixing their genes with the Kadistu Urmah line, thus creating a new species.

They are a particularly solitary, white-skinned race. Like the Kingú, they detest having to associate with others. They will do it only in their own interest. They are difficult to approach, even by a Gina'abul or a Kadistu.

Due to their mixed genetic background, they were influenced or obliged by their Kingú genitors to function as neutral agents or messengers capable of adjudicating problems between the Kadištu and the Gina'abul of Tiamate. But they were "covered" by the Kingú-Babbar, and that made them enemies of the Anunnaki (terrestrial Anunna), who have used them ever since winning the war in our system.

Parks does not know if the Imdugud maintain these relations with the Kingú and Anunna today. He wonders if they may be the "Tall Whites" observed living on the Nellis Range in Nevada. (See Possible Extended Encounter with the Imdugud.)

Mìmínu (Greys)

Parks writes in his Karmapolis [K1] interview:

"Mìmínu" is the term that I received [for "the Greys"] in the epoch [from which I derive my memories].
How surprised I was to find it later among the Dogons of Mali for whom this word means "ant".

Decomposed in Sumerian, it gives MÌ-MÍ-NU, "responsible for hostile (or negative) duties" [see Decoder].

This translation is even more interesting because Credo Mutwa names the "Grey" Mantindane or "the torturers" in Zulu [see Decoder].

It is my understanding that the "Greys" came originally from Lyra, the place where numerous Gina'abul colonies are found. [The "Greys"] work as a group and function like ants. They function as a race of workers in service to their reptilian creators.

Various Gina'abul lines have fabricated Mìmínu in the past. There are several kinds of them in different regions. Those that are associated with the solar system and that were therefore created by the Kingu (royal Gina'abul) are larger than the others and have hair.

There is abundant proof of the presence of "Greys" in the solar system, if only by the different cases of abductions reported every year around the globe.

In truth, I don't know what has happened to the Mìmínu we see today. Their destiny seems to have changed somewhat as they appear to possess a sort of autonomy that they had not had for thousands of years. The story that I relate (thus, that I have received) ends more than 2000 years ago. My knowledge was gained in that epoch.

Parks adds in Le Secret that the Mìmínu possess bases "in the four corners of our universe." He also mentions that the Amašutum had a horror of them due to the scornful and glacial manner of these dwarfs.

As to their physique, it was not sophisticated like ours. The Mìmínu had been conceived without any exterior beauty; they were all small, had a gray color, no ears, no eyelids, only two holes for a nose, and no lips. They stared with large black elongated eyes that were empty, cold, and without emotion. Actually, he says, there were several types of Mìmínu. Here he is speaking of the ones that served his people in the epoch described in this segment of his long history.

Anunna and Nungal

A Gina'abul male (Anunna, Nungal, etc.). As with the female, the drawing is a reproduction by Parks of a statuette from Ur, and the elongation of the cranium is incorrect: it should be rearward, exactly as in the example of the African-Egyptian. An additional point concerning the ME (seen here, as also with the female figure): the equivalent term in Akkadian is Parsû: "the knowledge of sovereignty", and also PÀR-SU: "that which is deployed on the body".

The Anunna were proposed as a race of warriors to defend the Amašutum against an unseen and amorphous enemy who in fact did not exist. (This dynamic, which we have seen in our time, clearly has ancient roots.) Sa'am, created as asexual (but later modified) was offered by An as the prototype for this race. An had argued that being asexual, they would be without distractions and better soldiers. However, Tiamata required a sexual (male) race for her Amašutum sisters, since the Šutum were dying out. Sa'am volunteered to create the princely Nungal race for that purpose and to be their leader. Neither race would have the power of Gibil'lásu (see above), which would have conferred eternal life. However, they were to be long-lived.

The Nungal were a derivative of the Imdugud. They definitely had the Kadištu orientation -- it was inculcated into them -- and were considered "Life Designers" probably for that reason although they did not have the capability of cloning. As Kadištu, they were badly treated by the Anunna-Ušumgal, while being warmly accepted by the Ama'argi, with whom they at times found refuge in their Abzu domain.

The Nungal are the Igigi -- those who were called "The Watchers" in the Bible, the ones who mated illegally with the human species. They were a source of great embarrassment to Sa'am when, soon after arrival on the Earth, they unexpectedly molted -- a thing they were never meant to do -- showing new skin that was white like that of the Kingú-Babbar, with whom they were ultimately affiliated. Sa'am-Enki had assembled the genetic material for the Nungal before the hasty departure from Margíd'da to Dukù, partly from genes belonging to Abzu-Abba's experiments. Mamitu had wished to verify the cells that they had selected, but Sa'am had declared that they had not the time and they had to content themselves with indications inscribed on the containers of the genes.

As was later revealed, Mamitu had known very well what cells they were using: she had secretly switched the cells in the containers, fully intending to bring a new Kadištu strain into the equation. But she was disappointed that Sa'am had not exercised due diligence.

Regardless of the reason for it, Sa'am, Mamitu and more particularly the Nungal themselves paid dearly for this situation, because the terrestrial Anunna, recognizing them to be a subrace of their enemy, the Kingú, used the Nungal for a very long time as slaves. It is for example the Nungal who were commissioned to dig the Tigris and Euphrates to supply water for the future cities of the Anunnaki "Gods". Sa'am-Enki, under the insistant request of his own people, finally responded by creating the Ádam specimens to save his Nungal. The Anunnaki then put the Ádam to work as slaves.

Human

Today's human is far removed from the Namlú'u, the original or primordial humanoid created by the Kadištu to watch over the animals of the planetary garden that was Uraš (Earth).

As precisely stated in Genesis (1.26), the human was the last specimen to have been integrated into the living reserve of the Life Designers.
The aim of this reserve was to assemble the genetic knowledge of the emissaries of the Source. The original human being was highly respected, because it combined within itself the genetic patrimony of numerous Life Designer species....

Allied races gifted the Namlú'u with several parts of their body structure. Designers of Life such as the Ameli brought the principal element of their marvelous semi-etheric body. All Designers of Life contributed a bit of themselves toward the realization of the Namlú'u.

The Namlú'u thus were magnificent beings, the issue of the collective heritage of the combined sciences of the Kadištu. They were for this reason the living guardians of the knowledge of our universe....

One of the most remarkable manipulations of the Gina'abul is to have alienated the human being in order to produce an animal to serve themselves. For that, the Gina'abul began with the original human that they then mixed with their own genes and those of apes.

The particular mixture that the Gina'abul must have had to cook up in order to obtain their Á-DAM resulted from a composition completely impossible to realize today by human scientists. It required the same type of manipulation that the Kadištu had used to assemble the original human. It is Enki, the son of An and Nammu, who was charged with this doleful dirty work under the constraints that will be described in the second book. I name this genetic combination "mixed blood" in the first book.

[What does the genetic record have to say? Obviously that is a huge subject, one that we (your Open SETI / End of Enchantment writers) have not adequately researched. However a recent article, Humans, chimps may have bred after split suggests that researchers are currently confused, to say the least. A fundamental element of the problem that can cause huge confusion is that of timing of events in the record. That is because all DNA research assumes that DNA slowly "drifts" due to accumulated mutations, and this assumption is inconsistent with a "genetic intervention" model, which we surely have here. Therefore in the present case none of the conclusions can be correct.]

The sad aspect of the Á-DAM-animal is attested to by many traditions -- notably in the apocryphal texts which are documents from the same period as the biblical scriptures, but were not admitted by the Church. Why not? Because these texts seriously undermine the official version.

Apocryphal Book of Adam, extracts from Chapters 13 and 15, éditions Robert Laffont, 1980: Who has plunged me into this infinite sadness of evil angels of fetid odor and abominable form? Who has thrown me into the midst of these evil genies? Must I grow in a milieu that I detest, among beings whose works I abhor? Must I take their form, that I live in their dwelling-place? Why has my primitive form changed? Ah! That they would allow me to return to the peaceful sojourn, there to which my heart yearns. That they would return me to the celestial assemblies and the conferences and the prayers filled with peaceful enfusions, that they may illumine me with the light from on high and that I be finally cast from this envelope of opprobrium. How long will I be bound to this body of clay?

Apocryphal The Apocalypse of Adam, gnostic Nag-Hammadi texts, N-H Codex 5, éditions Ganesha, 1989: Since (the) God has fashioned me of earth, and Eve at the same time, I went with her toward a glory that she had perceived in the eon from which we issued. This one taught me by one word the knowledge of the eternal God. Then we came to resemble the great eternal angels: we were superior, in effect to the God who had fashioned us and to the powers that are with him, but that we know not now. Then, sore with wrath, God, master of the eons and the powers, split us... Since then, we have been instructed, like men, of mortal things. Then, we knew the God who had made us. Because we were not independent of his powers. And we served him in fear and slavery. And in consequence, our hearts were obscured...

Credo Mutwa names the reptilians who direct this world "the Chitauli," meaning "dictators" in Zulu. ...this term can be translated into Sumerian.... [See Decoder for "Chitauli" and "Gina'abul / lizard(s)".] Humanity possesses a prodigious destiny. The aim of humanity is not to reproduce the errors of the reptilians who intended to genetically diminish them, who posed as their creators!

We have not finished discussing the characteristics of the modern human and the circumstances under which they were imparted! This is taken up in the second book, Ádam Genisiš, and in these pages under the heading Creating Humans.

Thank-you magamud. What if we've been dealing with 'David v Goliath' for thousands of years?? Nazi-Masons v Annunaki-Giants?? Pinky v the Brain?? Steven Spielberg's Duel and Raiders of the Lost Ark? What Would David Mann Say?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Za-1E89j6cU I'd still like to know the whole story regarding the Nazis in North-Africa. My internal-discomfort is at critical-levels in connection with this madness. How important is Moses (or Egyptian equivalent) in all of this?? What if Moses had more to do with the whole Bible than we think?? 5 Books Officially and 40 Books Unofficially?? What was the relationship between Osiris, Isis, Amen Ra, Horus, Set, Moses, and Aaron?? What if Joseph, Moses, David, and Jesus were essentially the same characters (in different contexts)?? I just wish we could somehow all get along -- but I suspect that the conflicts and hard-feelings are very deep and bitter. Why are you all beating around the bush regarding telling me the truth?? I smell a whole lab full of rats. Why do I feel like a lab-rat?? What if Moses were the Biblical Master-Mind and Paul were the Biblical Holy Ghost-Writer?? I should stop. I need to re-watch The Europa Report.

magamud wrote:Im not beating around the bush. I have told you numerous times of the law, but you cant integrate it into your law. Im not judging you just making an observation. So since I can only be direct with you so often because I dont want to have conflict and want to enjoy some time here on the mist, I superposition my information with you on this thread.

Your david and goliath analogy is very good. Its the same with physics in relation to the law. Gods energy is the same amount as actual matter in an atom. The rest is projection, very flimsy like a house of cards.

As far as your reference to all these mythological characters being Moses or Jesus you are right in some sense. I think the problem is you are integrating various harvests that have happened to our societal complex. That is the law or pattern is the same for each harvest. There is a beginning and an end. With the various players, Moses, Christ, Prophets etc.. Playing out the Harvest drama to gain awareness. But each harvest has a different outside appearance. I suspect there are numerous harvests spilling into this one. Osiris, Krishna, Odin, quezacotl, Druid, Matreya, etc... Then all these memories are infighting with each other on whose appearance is right when its whats behind the appearance that should be uniting us.

The law is simple. The all father creates this world so we can grow in our sovereign consciousness. He warns us of the traps and gives us portends, life, prophets, the book and his Son to ensure its integrity. But the appearance of the Atom is so huge and what its neutron of actual matter is, is so small. I hope this helps.

Godspeed Ortho of the Mists....

Thank-you magamud. I don't mind being corrected or rebuked. I'm interested in the facts of the matter. On the other hand, I am admittedly somewhat sluggish and psychologically fragile -- but the time-delay of the internet method of communication helps me deal with these limitations. I simply think that Humanity has been building on Shifting-Sand regarding Ethics, Law, and Law-Enforcement. I think we have a HUGE legal-problem -- right from the beginning -- at least according to what scanty records we have. We will be truly screwed until we properly sort out Ethics, Law, and Law-Enforcement. I'm leaving this forum soon -- but I will continue to contemplate these things.

I haven't intended my 'thinking out loud' for the general public. It was intended mostly to attempt to deal with the internet madness. I didn't go looking for trouble. I've known a lot of things for decades -- and I just went about my business -- because I realized how much trouble I'd get myself into if I really started digging and talking. But now I feel as if it would be a sin to not publicly attempt to make sense of all the crazy and conflicting information. Face it -- one could start a religion or a political-party based on just about anything -- and someone would be attracted to it. I've realized that Deception, Appearances, Winning, and Money are more important to most people than are the Four Gospels.

I think I will drop below the radar -- and keep everything to myself -- without digging any deeper. Still, if you really study this thread, and all of the links and references -- over a couple of years -- I think you will at least have a platform or foundation to properly deal with the Brave New World we're facing. I truly don't think the general public is prepared for what's coming. I'm not a 'know it all'. I keep saying that 'I don't know'. I think those who understand me -- mostly don't like me. I'm not particularly likeable. I'd be a public-relations nightmare -- especially if this thread were paraded in the public-arena. I've examined some of the more obscure and least-likely possibilities -- just to consider all of the possibilities. I realize this is potentially upsetting and destabilizing. I continue to be somewhat upset that people know about my internet activities, who shouldn't know, and who shouldn't have been 'alerted' by who knows which agencies. I have a bad taste in my mouth regarding trying to 'help'. Most people seem to be pleased with the 'Way Things Are' -- but I think they might be shocked if they knew who I think Humanity might be sleeping with.

Don't take my role-playing too seriously. I didn't. It was sort of scary and sort of fun. It was sort of like being in 'V' every day. Believe it or not -- I really AM a 'V' who is related to an 'Anna'. It will be nice to no longer be in 'Save the World' mode. I've made my point -- and now it's time to sit-down and shut-up. I will plead ignorance and incompetence if I am questioned about this madness at some point in the future. I'm going to attempt to 'Delete All Mental-Files' connected with the madness. I don't intend to become a Galactic Crusader Rabbit -- urging the general-public to go down the rabbit-hole -- like a bunch of Lemmings. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brIA3Va-x-o Still, I think that a critical-mass of Humanity really does need to properly deal with ALL of the madness. I think some type of Science-Fiction related to this thread MIGHT be cool -- but I have NO idea what might be appropriate or inappropriate. I really don't relish stirring up a Hornet's Nest -- or engaging in Trench-Warfare with various individuals and groups (human and otherwise).

I don't need to go to the Moon. I probably don't need to go anywhere. I probably don't need a Cray. I probably would be better off without ANY computer. I probably just need to say less and work more. It's easier that way.

magamud wrote:Believe it or not Ortho you reflect my disposition very much. Jesus warned us about the david and goliath architecture. The camel through the needle, the mustard seed, actual matter vs dark matter. Show me the capstone that the builders rejected! This is the door and without it, extrapolation in general goes astray. There are different degrees being magnetized toward constant North which is growth. And hell its your sovereignty, dream what you wish, but you can never say you did not know. Thats another law. But this door can diametrically oppose people to a polar opposite like positive and negative magnets and blaming me for the interaction. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4Dc-J_mD7c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyYZzxT_2ww This is where you sift our human empathic bond with knowing your own boundaries. This becomes a dynamic of virtue. Which is masked by the holy spirit, syncronicity, portends, etc... You build a relationship. Theres is so much going on its always superposition most of the time, it takes someone to happen to create a bridge. The difficulty I think is the simplicity of it. And were in such a paranoid world, which is our unconscious intention to make us think for ourselves. And any type of Pastor or Guru status is so monopolized by other intrenched religions and the lack of its integrity by our past misfortunes. You really just have to take a leap of faith and not even worry about it because the words are not yours they are his. So in a sense you are phasing in. A zero point? But once your there you still have to constantly mix this ludicrous statement with contemporary humility. Thats the idea. Thats the discipline. Not easy when there is a technocracy and Monty Python humor...

Spielberg, Lucas, Carpenter first movies really are jewels to look through. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbuQ5ZLB2ME&feature=endscreen

Thank-you magamud. You might like The Gospel According to Science Fiction by Gabriel McKee. Perhaps we need to concentrate on 'doing theology' outside of the churches -- and away from the influence of the preachers. I think most people are not able to properly consider a wide variety of political and theological possibilities. I guess I'll continue to think about various idealistic and non-idealistic forms of the Catholic Church. I truly think that church and theology should be integral parts of science-fiction. If one were a truly deep theological and science-fictional thinker -- the Latin Mass might be quite interesting -- because of the opportunity for reflection during the music, the Latin, and the silence -- instead of being yelled at by an Egomaniac. Just saying. My form of Protestantism is to Meddle with Catholicism without getting killed!! All of the critical material is probably necessary to refine and reform. But how many people lose their faith -- and then keep right on studying and reflecting upon the church, religion, and theology -- instead of becoming an atheist, agnostic, alcoholic -- or committing suicide? We should probably be lifelong researchers whether it makes us believers, unbelievers, happy, or unhappy. I don't care if people think like me, or not. I just want people to face themselves and think. Consider Philip K. Dick:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_K._Dick Philip Kindred Dick (December 16, 1928 – March 2, 1982) was an American novelist, short story writer and essayist whose published work is almost entirely in the science fiction genre. Dick explored sociological, political and metaphysical themes in novels dominated by monopolistic corporations, authoritarian governments, and altered states. In his later works Dick's thematic focus strongly reflected his personal interest in metaphysics and theology. He often drew upon his own life experiences in addressing the nature of drug abuse, paranoia, schizophrenia, and transcendental experiences in novels such as A Scanner Darkly and VALIS.[6]

The novel The Man in the High Castle bridged the genres of alternate history and science fiction, earning Dick a Hugo Award for Best Novel in 1963.[7] Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said, a novel about a celebrity who awakens in a parallel universe where he is unknown, won the John W. Campbell Memorial Award for best novel in 1975.[8] "I want to write about people I love, and put them into a fictional world spun out of my own mind, not the world we actually have, because the world we actually have does not meet my standards," Dick wrote of these stories. "In my writing I even question the universe; I wonder out loud if it is real, and I wonder out loud if all of us are real."[9]

In addition to 44 published novels,[10] Dick wrote approximately 121 short stories, most of which appeared in science fiction magazines during his lifetime.[11] Although Dick spent most of his career as a writer in near-poverty,[12] ten popular films based on his works have been produced, including Blade Runner, Total Recall, A Scanner Darkly, Minority Report, Paycheck, Next, Screamers, and The Adjustment Bureau. In 2005, Time magazine named Ubik one of the one hundred greatest English-language novels published since 1923.[13] In 2007, Dick became the first science fiction writer to be included in The Library of America series.[14][15][16][17]

Personal life

Philip Kindred Dick and his twin sister, Jane Charlotte Dick, were born six weeks prematurely on December 16, 1928, in Chicago, Illinois, to Dorothy Kindred Dick and Joseph Edgar Dick, who worked for the United States Department of Agriculture.[18][19] The death of Jane, six weeks later on January 26, 1929, profoundly affected Philip's life, leading to the recurrent motif of the "phantom twin" in his books.[18]

The family moved to the San Francisco Bay Area. When Philip turned five, his father was transferred to Reno, Nevada. When Dorothy refused to move, she and Joseph divorced. Both parents fought for custody of Philip, which was awarded to the mother. Dorothy, determined to raise Philip alone, took a job in Washington, D.C., and moved there with her son. Philip was enrolled at John Eaton Elementary School (1936–38), completing the second through fourth grades. His lowest grade was a "C" in Written Composition, although a teacher remarked that he "shows interest and ability in story telling." He was educated in Quaker schools.[20] In June 1938, Dorothy and Philip returned to California, and it was around this time that he became interested in science fiction.[21] Dick states that, in 1940, at the age of twelve, he read his first science fiction magazine, "Stirring Science Stories".[21]

Dick attended Berkeley High School in Berkeley, California. He and fellow science fiction author Ursula K. Le Guin were members of the same graduating class (1947) but were unknown to each other at the time. After graduation, he briefly attended the University of California, Berkeley, (September 1949 to November 11, 1949) with an honorary dismissal granted January 1, 1950. Dick was an undeclared major and took classes in History, Psychology, Philosophy, and Zoology. Through his studies in Philosophy, he believed that existence is based on the internal-based perception of a human, which does not necessarily correspond to external reality; he described himself as an "a cosmic panentheist," believing in the universe only as an extension of God.[22] After reading the works of Plato and pondering the possibilities of metaphysical realms, Dick came to the conclusion that, in a certain sense, the world is not entirely real and there is no way to confirm whether it is truly there. This question from his early studies persisted as a theme in many of his novels. Dick dropped out, according to his third wife Anne in her memoir, because of his ongoing anxiety problems. Anne states that he did not like the mandatory ROTC training. At Berkeley, Dick befriended poet Robert Duncan and poet and linguist Jack Spicer, who gave Dick ideas for a Martian language. Dick claimed to have been host of a classical music program on KSMO Radio in 1947.[23]

From 1948 to 1952, Dick worked at Art Music Company, a record store on Telegraph Avenue. In 1955, he and his second wife, Kleo Apostolides, received a visit from the FBI, which they believed to be the result of Kleo's socialist views and left-wing activities. The couple briefly befriended one of the FBI agents.[24]

Dick was married five times: Jeanette Marlin (May to November 1948), Kleo Apostolides (June 14, 1950 to 1959), Anne Williams Rubinstein (April 1, 1959 to October 1965), Nancy Hackett (July 6, 1966 to 1972), and Leslie (Tessa) Busby (April 18, 1973 to 1977). Dick had three children, Laura Archer (February 25, 1960), Isolde Freya (now Isa Dick Hackett) (March 15, 1967), and Christopher Kenneth (July 25, 1973).

Dick tried to stay off the political scene because of the high societal turmoil from the Vietnam War; however, he did show some anti-Vietnam War and anti-governmental sentiments. In 1968, he joined the "Writers and Editors War Tax Protest",[22][25] an anti-war pledge to pay no U.S. federal income tax, which resulted in the confiscation of his car by the IRS.

Career

Dick sold his first story in 1951 and wrote full-time from that point. During 1952 his first speculative fiction publications appeared in July and September numbers of Planet Stories, edited by Jack O'Sullivan, and in If and The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction that fall.[26] His debut novel was Solar Lottery, published in 1955 as half of Ace Double #D-103 alongside The Big Jump by Leigh Brackett.[26] The 1950s were a difficult and impoverished time for Dick. He once said "We couldn't even pay the late fees on a library book." He published almost exclusively within the science fiction genre, but dreamed of a career in the mainstream of American literature. During the 1950s he produced a series of non-genre, relatively conventional novels. In 1960 he wrote that he was willing to "take twenty to thirty years to succeed as a literary writer." The dream of mainstream success formally died in January 1963 when the Scott Meredith Literary Agency returned all of his unsold mainstream novels. Only one of these works, Confessions of a Crap Artist, was published during Dick's lifetime.

In 1963, Dick won the Hugo Award for The Man in the High Castle.[7] Although he was hailed as a genius in the science fiction world, the mainstream literary world was unappreciative, and he could publish books only through low-paying science fiction publishers such as Ace. Even in his later years, he continued to have financial troubles. In the introduction to the 1980 short story collection The Golden Man, Dick wrote:
"Several years ago, when I was ill, Heinlein offered his help, anything he could do, and we had never met; he would phone me to cheer me up and see how I was doing. He wanted to buy me an electric typewriter, God bless him—one of the few true gentlemen in this world. I don't agree with any ideas he puts forth in his writing, but that is neither here nor there. One time when I owed the IRS a lot of money and couldn't raise it, Heinlein loaned the money to me. I think a great deal of him and his wife; I dedicated a book to them in appreciation. Robert Heinlein is a fine-looking man, very impressive and very military in stance; you can tell he has a military background, even to the haircut. He knows I'm a flipped-out freak and still he helped me and my wife when we were in trouble. That is the best in humanity, there; that is who and what I love."

In 1972, Dick donated manuscripts, papers and other materials to the Special Collections Library at California State University, Fullerton where they are archived in the Philip K. Dick Science Fiction Collection in the Pollak Library. It was in Fullerton that Philip K. Dick befriended budding science-fiction writers K. W. Jeter, James Blaylock, and Tim Powers. The last novel Dick wrote was The Transmigration of Timothy Archer. It was published shortly after his death in 1982.

Paranormal experiences and mental health issues

On February 20, 1974, while recovering from the effects of sodium pentothal administered for the extraction of an impacted wisdom tooth, Dick received a home delivery of Darvon from a young woman. When he opened the door, he was struck by the beauty of the dark-haired girl and was especially drawn to her golden necklace. He asked her about its curious fish-shaped design. "This is a sign used by the early Christians," she said, and then left. Dick called the symbol the "vesicle pisces". This name seems to have been based on his conflation of two related symbols, the Christian ichthys symbol (two intersecting arcs delineating a fish in profile) which the woman was wearing, and the vesica piscis.[citation needed]

Dick recounted that as the sun glinted off the gold pendant, the reflection caused the generation of a "pink beam" that mesmerized him. Dick came to believe the beam imparted wisdom and clairvoyance; he also believed it to be intelligent. On one occasion, Dick was startled by the pink beam. It imparted the information to him that his infant son was ill. The Dicks rushed the child to the hospital where Dick's suspicion and his diagnosis were confirmed.[27]

After the woman's departure, Dick began experiencing strange hallucinations. Although initially attributing them to his medication, after weeks of hallucinations he considered this explanation implausible. "I experienced an invasion of my mind by a transcendentally rational mind, as if I had been insane all my life and suddenly I had become sane," Dick told Charles Platt.[28]

Throughout February and March 1974, Dick experienced a series of hallucinations, which he referred to as "2-3-74", shorthand for February–March 1974. Aside from the "pink beam", Dick described the initial hallucinations as geometric patterns, and, occasionally, brief pictures of Jesus and ancient Rome. As the hallucinations increased in length and frequency, Dick claimed he began to live two parallel lives, one as himself, "Philip K. Dick", and one as "Thomas", a Christian persecuted by Romans in the 1st century AD. He referred to the "transcendentally rational mind" as "Zebra", "God" and "VALIS". Dick wrote about the experiences, first in the semi-autobiographical novel Radio Free Albemuth and then in VALIS, The Divine Invasion and the unfinished The Owl in Daylight (the VALIS trilogy).

At one point Dick felt that he had been taken over by the spirit of the prophet Elijah. He believed that an episode in his novel Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said was a detailed retelling of a story from the Biblical Book of Acts, which he had never read.[29] Dick documented and discussed his experiences and faith in a private journal, later published as The Exegesis of Philip K. Dick.

Pen names

Dick had two professional stories published under the pen names Richard Phillipps and Jack Dowland. "Some Kinds Of Life" in Fantastic Universe, October 1953 was published as by Richard Phillipps apparently because "Planet For Transients" was published in the same issue under his own name.[30]

The short story "Orpheus with Clay Feet" was published under the pen name "Jack Dowland". The protagonist desires to be the muse for fictional author Jack Dowland, considered the greatest science fiction author of the 20th century. In the story, Dowland publishes a short story titled "Orpheus with Clay Feet", under the pen name "Philip K. Dick".

The surname Dowland refers to Renaissance composer John Dowland, who is featured in several works. The title Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said directly refers to Dowland's best-known composition, "Flow My Tears". In the novel The Divine Invasion, the 'Linda Fox' character, created specifically with Linda Ronstadt in mind, is an intergalactically famous singer whose entire body of work consists of recordings of John Dowland compositions. Also, some protagonists in Dick's short fiction are named 'Dowland'.

Style and works

Themes

"Dick's third major theme is his fascination with war and his fear and hatred of it. One hardly sees critical mention of it, yet it is as integral to his body of work as oxygen is to water."[31]

—Steven Owen Godersky

Dick's stories typically focus on the fragile nature of what is "real" and the construction of personal identity. His stories often become surreal fantasies as the main characters slowly discover that their everyday world is actually an illusion constructed by powerful external entities (such as in Ubik),[32] vast political conspiracies, or simply from the vicissitudes of an unreliable narrator. "All of his work starts with the basic assumption that there cannot be one, single, objective reality", writes science fiction author Charles Platt. "Everything is a matter of perception. The ground is liable to shift under your feet. A protagonist may find himself living out another person's dream, or he may enter a drug-induced state that actually makes better sense than the real world, or he may cross into a different universe completely."[28]

Alternate universes and simulacra were common plot devices, with fictional worlds inhabited by common, working people, rather than galactic elites. "There are no heroes in Dick's books", Ursula K. Le Guin wrote, "but there are heroics. One is reminded of Dickens: what counts is the honesty, constancy, kindness and patience of ordinary people."[32] Dick made no secret that much of his thinking and work was heavily influenced by the writings of Carl Jung.[33][34] The Jungian constructs and models that most concerned Dick seem to be the archetypes of the collective unconscious, group projection/hallucination, synchronicities, and personality theory.[33] Many of Dick's protagonists overtly analyze reality and their perceptions in Jungian terms (see Lies Inc.), while other times, the themes are so obviously in reference to Jung their usage needs no explanation.[citation needed] Dick's self-named Exegesis also contained many notes on Jung in relation to theology and mysticism.[citation needed]

Dick identified one major theme of his work as the question, "What constitutes the authentic human being?"[35] In works such as Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? beings can appear totally human in every respect while lacking soul or compassion, while completely alien beings such as Glimmung in Galactic Pot-Healer may be more humane and complex than Dick's human characters.

Mental illness was a constant interest of Dick's, and themes of mental illness permeate his work. The character Jack Bohlen in the 1964 novel Martian Time-Slip is an "ex-schizophrenic". The novel Clans of the Alphane Moon centers on an entire society made up of descendants of lunatic asylum inmates. In 1965 he wrote the essay titled Schizophrenia and the Book of Changes.[36]

Drug use (including religious, recreational, and abuse) was also a theme in many of Dick's works, such as A Scanner Darkly and The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch. Dick was a drug user for much of his life. According to a 1975 interview in Rolling Stone,[37] Dick wrote all of his books published before 1970 while on amphetamines. "A Scanner Darkly (1977) was the first complete novel I had written without speed", said Dick in the interview. He also experimented briefly with psychedelics, but wrote The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch, which Rolling Stone dubs "the classic LSD novel of all time", before he had ever tried them. Despite his heavy amphetamine use, however, Dick later said that doctors had told him that the amphetamines never actually affected him, that his liver had processed them before they reached his brain.[37]

Summing up all these themes in Understanding Philip K. Dick, Eric Carl Link discussed eight themes or 'ideas and motifs':[38] Epistemology and the Nature of Reality, Know Thyself, The Android and the Human, Entropy and Pot Healing, The Theodicy Problem, Warfare and Power Politics, The Evolved Human, and 'Technology, Media, Drugs and Madness'.[39]

Selected works[edit]

For complete bibliography, see Philip K. Dick bibliography.

The Man in the High Castle (1962) is set in an alternate universe in which the United States is ruled by the victorious Axis powers. It is considered a defining novel of the alternate history sub-genre,[40] and is the only Dick novel to win a Hugo Award.

The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch (1965) utilizes an array of science fiction concepts and features several layers of reality and unreality. It is also one of Dick's first works to explore religious themes. The novel takes place in the 21st century, when, under UN authority, mankind has colonized the Solar System's every habitable planet and moon. Life is physically daunting and psychologically monotonous for most colonists, so the UN must draft people to go to the colonies. Most entertain themselves using "Perky Pat" dolls and accessories manufactured by Earth-based "P.P. Layouts". The company also secretly creates "Can-D", an illegal but widely available hallucinogenic drug allowing the user to "translate" into Perky Pat (if the drug user is a woman) or Pat's boyfriend, Walt (if the drug user is a man). This recreational use of Can-D allows colonists to experience a few minutes of an idealized life on Earth by participating in a collective hallucination.

Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? (1968) is the story of a bounty hunter policing the local android population. It occurs on a dying, poisoned Earth de-populated of all "successful" humans; the only remaining inhabitants of the planet are people with no prospects off-world. The 1968 story is the literary source of the film Blade Runner (1982).[41] It is both a conflation and an intensification of the pivotally Dickian question, What is real, what is fake? What crucial factor defines humanity as distinctly 'alive', versus those merely alive only in their outward appearance?

Ubik (1969) uses extensive networks of psychics and a suspended state after death in creating a state of eroding reality. A group of psychics is sent to investigate a group of rival psychics, but several of them are apparently killed by a saboteur's bomb. Much of the novel flicks between a number of equally plausible realities; the "real" reality, a state of half-life and psychically manipulated realities. In 2005, Time magazine listed it among the "All-TIME 100 Greatest Novels" published since 1923.[13]

Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said (1974) concerns Jason Taverner, a television star living in a dystopian near-future police state. After being attacked by an angry ex-girlfriend, Taverner awakens in a dingy Los Angeles hotel room. He still has his money in his wallet, but his identification cards are missing. This is no minor inconvenience, as security checkpoints (manned by "pols" and "nats", the police and National Guard) are set up throughout the city to stop and arrest anyone without valid ID. Jason at first thinks that he was robbed, but soon discovers that his entire identity has been erased. There is no record of him in any official database, and even his closest associates do not recognize or remember him. For the first time in many years, Jason has no fame or reputation to rely on. He has only his innate charisma to help him as he tries to find out what happened to his past and avoid the attention of the pols. The novel was Dick's first published novel after years of silence, during which time his critical reputation had grown, and this novel was awarded the John W. Campbell Memorial Award for Best Science Fiction Novel.[8] It is the only Philip K. Dick novel nominated for both a Hugo and for a Nebula Award.

In an essay written two years before dying, Dick described how he learned from his Episcopalian priest that an important scene in Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said – involving its other main character, Police General Felix Buckman, the policeman of the title – was very similar to a scene in the Acts of the Apostles.[29] Film director Richard Linklater discusses this novel in his film Waking Life, which begins with a scene reminiscent of another Dick novel, Time Out of Joint.

A Scanner Darkly (1977) is a bleak mixture of science fiction and police procedural novels; in its story, an undercover narcotics police detective begins to lose touch with reality after falling victim to the same permanently mind altering drug, Substance D, he was enlisted to help fight. Substance D is instantly addictive, beginning with a pleasant euphoria which is quickly replaced with increasing confusion, hallucinations and eventually total psychosis. In this novel, as with all Dick novels, there is an underlying thread of paranoia and dissociation with multiple realities perceived simultaneously. It was adapted to film by Richard Linklater.

VALIS (1980) is perhaps Dick's most postmodern and autobiographical novel, examining his own unexplained experiences. It may also be his most academically studied work, and was adapted as an opera by Tod Machover.[42] Later works like the VALIS trilogy were heavily autobiographical, many with "two-three-seventy-four" (2-3-74) references and influences. The word VALIS is the acronym for Vast Active Living Intelligence System. Later, Dick theorized that VALIS was both a "reality generator" and a means of extraterrestrial communication. A fourth VALIS manuscript, Radio Free Albemuth, although composed in 1976, was posthumously published in 1985. This work is described by the publisher (Arbor House) as "an introduction and key to his magnificent VALIS trilogy."

Regardless of the feeling that he was somehow experiencing a divine communication, Dick was never fully able to rationalize the events. For the rest of his life, he struggled to comprehend what was occurring, questioning his own sanity and perception of reality. He transcribed what thoughts he could into an eight-thousand-page, one-million-word journal dubbed the Exegesis. From 1974 until his death in 1982, Dick spent many nights writing in this journal. A recurring theme in Exegesis is Dick's hypothesis that history had been stopped in the 1st century AD., and that "the Empire never ended". He saw Rome as the pinnacle of materialism and despotism, which, after forcing the Gnostics underground, had kept the population of Earth enslaved to worldly possessions. Dick believed that VALIS had communicated with him, and anonymous others, to induce the impeachment of U.S. President Richard Nixon, whom Dick believed to be the current Emperor of Rome incarnate.

In a 1968 essay titled "Self Portrait", collected in the 1995 book The Shifting Realities of Philip K. Dick, Dick reflects on his work and lists which books he feels "might escape World War Three": Eye in the Sky, The Man in the High Castle, Martian Time-Slip, Dr. Bloodmoney, or How We Got Along After the Bomb, The Zap Gun, The Penultimate Truth, The Simulacra, The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch (which he refers to as "the most vital of them all"), Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?, and Ubik.[43] In a 1976 interview, Dick cited A Scanner Darkly as his best work, feeling that he "had finally written a true masterpiece, after 25 years of writing".[44]

Adaptations

Films

A number of Dick's stories have been made into films. Dick himself wrote a screenplay for an intended film adaptation of Ubik in 1974, but the film was never made. Many film adaptations have not used Dick's original titles. When asked why this was, Dick's ex-wife Tessa said, "Actually, the books rarely carry Phil's original titles, as the editors usually wrote new titles after reading his manuscripts. Phil often commented that he couldn't write good titles. If he could, he would have been an advertising writer instead of a novelist."[45] Films based on Dick's writing have accumulated a total revenue of over US $1 billion as of 2009.[46]
Blade Runner (1982), based on Dick's 1968 novel Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?, directed by Ridley Scott and starring Harrison Ford. A screenplay had been in the works for years before Scott took the helm, with Dick being extremely critical of all versions. Dick was still apprehensive about how his story would be adapted for the film when the project was finally put into motion. Among other things, he refused to do a novelization of the film. But contrary to his initial reactions, when he was given an opportunity to see some of the special effects sequences of Los Angeles 2019, Dick was amazed that the environment was "exactly as how I'd imagined it!", though Ridley Scott has mentioned he had never even read the source material.[47] Following the screening, Dick and Scott had a frank but cordial discussion of Blade Runner's themes and characters, and although they had wildly differing views, Dick fully backed the film from then on, stating that his "life and creative work are justified and completed by Blade Runner."[48] Dick died from a stroke less than four months before the release of the film.
Total Recall (1990), based on the short story "We Can Remember It for You Wholesale", directed by Paul Verhoeven and starring Arnold Schwarzenegger. The film includes such Dickian elements as the confusion of fantasy and reality, the progression towards more fantastic elements as the story progresses, machines talking back to humans, and the protagonist's doubts about his own identity.
Confessions d'un Barjo (1992), titled Barjo in its English-language release, a French film based on Dick's non-science-fiction novel Confessions of a Crap Artist. Reflecting Dick's popularity and critical respect in France,[citation needed] a brief science fiction homage is slipped into the film in the form of a TV show.
Screamers (1995), based on Dick's short story "Second Variety", directed by Christian Duguay and starring Peter Weller. The location was altered from a war-devastated Earth to a distant planet. A sequel without Weller, titled Screamers: The Hunting, was released straight to DVD in 2009.
Minority Report (2002), based on Dick's short story of "The Minority Report", directed by Steven Spielberg and starring Tom Cruise. The film translates many of Dick's themes, but changes major plot points and adds an action-adventure framework.
Dick's 1953 story "Impostor" has been adapted twice: first in 1962 for the British anthology television series Out of This World and then in 2002 for the movie Impostor, directed by Gary Fleder and starring Gary Sinise, Vincent D'Onofrio and Madeleine Stowe.
Paycheck (2003), directed by John Woo and starring Ben Affleck, based on Dick's short story of the same name.
A Scanner Darkly (2006), directed by Richard Linklater and starring Keanu Reeves, Winona Ryder, and Robert Downey Jr., based on Dick's novel of the same name. The film was produced using the process of rotoscoping: it was first shot in live-action and then the live footage was animated over.
Next (2007), directed by Lee Tamahori and starring Nicolas Cage, loosely based on the short story "The Golden Man".
Radio Free Albemuth (2010), directed by John Alan Simon loosely based on the novel "Radio Free Albemuth".
The Adjustment Bureau (2011), directed by George Nolfi and starring Matt Damon, loosely based on the short story "Adjustment Team".
Total Recall (2012), directed by Len Wiseman and starring Colin Farrell, second film adaptation of the short story "We Can Remember It for You Wholesale".

Future films based on Dick's writing include an animated adaptation of The King of the Elves from Walt Disney Animation Studios, set to be released in the spring of 2016; Radio Free Albemuth, based on Dick's novel of the same name, which has been completed and is currently awaiting distribution; and a film adaptation of Ubik which, according to Dick's daughter, Isa Dick Hackett, is in advanced negotiation.[49] Ubik is set to be made into a film by Michel Gondry.[50]

The Terminator series also uses the theme of humanoid assassination machines portrayed in Second Variety. The Halcyon Company, known for developing the Terminator franchise, acquired right of first refusal to film adaptations of the works of Philip K. Dick in 2007. In May 2009, they announced plans for an adaptation of Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said.[51] It has been reported in 2010 that Ridley Scott will produce an adaptation of The Man in the High Castle for BBC, in the form of a mini-series.[52]

Stage and radio

Four of Dick's works have been adapted for the stage.

One was the opera VALIS, composed and with libretto by Tod Machover, which premiered at the Pompidou Center in Paris on December 1, 1987, with a French libretto. It was subsequently revised and readapted into English, and was recorded and released on CD (Bridge Records BCD9007) in 1988.

Another was Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said, adapted by Linda Hartinian and produced by the New York-based avant-garde company Mabou Mines. It premiered in Boston at the Boston Shakespeare Theatre (June 18–30, 1985) and was subsequently staged in New York and Chicago. Productions of Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said were also staged by the Evidence Room in Los Angeles in 1999[53] and by the Fifth Column Theatre Company at the Oval House Theatre in London in the same year.[54]

A play based on Radio Free Albemuth also had a brief run in the 1980s.

In November 2010, a production of Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?, adapted by Edward Einhorn, premiered at the 3LD Art and Technology Center in Manhattan.[55]

A radio drama adaptation of Dick's short story "Mr. Spaceship" was aired by the Finnish Broadcasting Company (Yleisradio) in 1996 under the name Menolippu Paratiisiin. Radio dramatizations of Dick's short stories Colony and The Defenders[56] were aired by NBC in 1956 as part of the series X Minus One.

Comics

Marvel Comics adapted Dick's short story "The Electric Ant" as a limited series which was released in 2009. The comic was produced by writer David Mack (Daredevil) and artist Pascal Alixe (Ultimate X-Men), with covers provided by artist Paul Pope.[57]

In 2009, BOOM! Studios started publishing a 24-issue miniseries comic book adaptation of Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?[58] Blade Runner, the 1982 film adapted from Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?, had previously been adapted to comics as A Marvel Comics Super Special: Blade Runner.

Alternate formats

In response to a 1975 request from the National Library for the Blind for permission to make use of The Man in the High Castle, Dick responded, "I also grant you a general permission to transcribe any of my former, present or future work, so indeed you can add my name to your 'general permission' list."[59] A number of his books and stories are available in braille and other specialized formats through the NLS.[60]

As of July 17, 2010, eleven of Philip K. Dick's early works in the public domain in the United States are available in ebook form from Project Gutenberg. See Dick, Philip K., 1928–1982 at Project Gutenberg. As of April 4, 2012, Wikisource has one of Philip K. Dick's early works in the public domain in the United States available in ebook form which is not from Project Gutenberg. See Author:Philip Kindred Dick at Wikisource.

Death

On February 17, 1982, after completing an interview, Dick contacted his therapist complaining of failing eyesight and was advised to go to a hospital immediately; but he did not. The next day, he was found unconscious on the floor of his Santa Ana, California home, having suffered a stroke. In the hospital, he suffered another stroke, after which his brain activity ceased. Five days later, on March 2, 1982, he was disconnected from life support and died. After his death, Dick's father, Joseph, took his son's ashes to Fort Morgan, Colorado, where they were buried next to his twin sister Jane, whose tombstone had been inscribed with both their names when she died 53 years earlier.[24][33][61]

Influence and legacy

Lawrence Sutin's 1989 biography of Dick, Divine Invasions: A Life of Philip K. Dick, is considered the standard biographical treatment of Dick's life.[36]

In 1993, French writer Emmanuel Carrère published Je suis vivant et vous êtes morts which was first translated and published in English in 2004 as I Am Alive and You Are Dead: A Journey Into the Mind of Philip K. Dick, which the author describes in his preface in this way:

The book you hold in your hands is a very peculiar book. I have tried to depict the life of Philip K. Dick from the inside, in other words, with the same freedom and empathy – indeed with the same truth – with which he depicted his own characters.[33]

Critics of the book have complained about the lack of fact checking, sourcing, notes and index, "the usual evidence of deep research that gives a biography the solid stamp of authority."[62][63][64] It can be considered a non-fiction novel about his life.

Dick has influenced many writers, including Jonathan Lethem,[65] and Ursula K. Le Guin.[66] The prominent literary critic Fredric Jameson proclaimed Dick the "Shakespeare of Science Fiction", and praised his work as "one of the most powerful expressions of the society of spectacle and pseudo-event".[67] The author Roberto Bolaño also praised Dick, describing him as “Thoreau plus the death of the American dream”.[68] Dick has also influenced filmmakers, his work being compared to films such as the Wachowskis' The Matrix,[69] David Cronenberg's Videodrome,[70] eXistenZ,[69] and Spider,[70] Spike Jonze's Being John Malkovich,[70] Adaptation,[70] Michel Gondry's Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind,[71][72] Alex Proyas's Dark City,[69] Peter Weir's The Truman Show,[69] Andrew Niccol's Gattaca,[70] In Time,[73] Terry Gilliam's 12 Monkeys,[70] Wes Craven's A Nightmare on Elm Street,[74] David Lynch's Mulholland Drive,[74] Alejandro Amenábar's Open Your Eyes,[75] David Fincher's Fight Club,[70] Cameron Crowe's Vanilla Sky,[69] Darren Aronofsky's Pi,[76] Richard Kelly's Donnie Darko[77] and Southland Tales,[78] and Christopher Nolan's Memento[79] and Inception.[80]

The Philip K. Dick Society was an organization dedicated to promoting the literary works of Dick and was previously led by Dick's longtime friend the music journalist Paul Williams. Williams also served as Dick's literary executor for several years after Dick's death and wrote one of the first biographies of Dick, entitled Only Apparently Real: The World of Philip K. Dick.

Dick was recreated by his fans in the form of a remote-controlled android designed in his likeness.[81] The android of Philip K. Dick was included on a discussion panel in a San Diego Comic Con presentation about the film adaptation of the novel, A Scanner Darkly. In February 2006, an America West Airlines employee misplaced the android's head, and it has not yet been found.[82] In January 2011, it was announced that Hanson Robotics had built a replacement.[83]

Film

BBC2 released in 1994 a biographical documentary as part of its Arena arts series called Philip K Dick: A day in the afterlife.[84]
The Gospel According to Philip K. Dick was a documentary film produced in 2001.[85]
The Penultimate Truth About Philip K. Dick was another biographical documentary film produced in 2007.[86]
the 1987 film The Trouble with Dick, in which Tom Villard plays a character named "Dick Kendred" (cf. Philip Kindred Dick) who is a science fiction author[87]
the Spanish feature film PROXIMA (2007) by Carlos Atanes, where the character Felix Cadecq is based on Dick
a 2008 film titled Your Name Here, by Matthew Wilder, features Bill Pullman as science fiction author William J. Frick, a character based on Dick
The 2010 science fiction film 15 Till Midnight cites Dick's influence with an "acknowledgment to the works of" credit.[88]
Prophets of Science Fiction Philip K Dick. 2011 Documentary[89]
The Crystal Crypt. 2013 Short Film[90]

In fiction

Michael Bishop's The Secret Ascension (1987; currently published as Philip K. Dick Is Dead, Alas), which is set in an alternative universe where his non-genre work is published but his science fiction is banned by a totalitarian USA in thrall to a demonically possessed Richard Nixon.
the Faction Paradox novel Of the City of the Saved... (2004) by Philip Purser-Hallard
the short story "The Transmigration of Philip K" (1984) by Michael Swanwick (to be found in the 1991 collection Gravity's Angels)
in Ursula K. Le Guin's The Lathe of Heaven (1971) novel whose characters alter reality through their dreams. Two made-for-TV films based on the novel have been made: The Lathe of Heaven (1980) and Lathe of Heaven (2002)
in Thomas M. Disch's The Word of God (2008)[91]
The comics magazine Weirdo published The Religious Experience of Philip K. Dick by artist R. Crumb in 1986. Though this is not an adaptation of a specific book or story by Dick, it incorporates elements of Dick's experience which he related in short stories, novels, essays, and the Exegesis. The story parodies the form of a Chick tract, a type of evangelical comic, many of which relate the story of an epiphany leading to a conversion to fundamentalist Christianity.
In the Batman Beyond episode "Sentries of the Last Cosmos", the character Eldon Michaels claims a typewriter on his desk to have belonged to Philip K. Dick.
In the Japanese Science Fiction Anime, Psycho-Pass, Dick's works are referred to as recommended reading material to help reflect on the current state of affairs of those character's world.

Music

"Flow My Tears (the Policeman Said)" is the name of a song by bassist Stuart Hamm, inspired by Dick's novel of the same name. The song is found on his album "Radio Free Albemuth," also named after a Dick novel.
"Listen to the Sirens" the first song on Tubeway Army's 1978 debut album has as its first line "flow my tears ,the new police song".
Bloc Party's 2012 album Four contains several references to Dick's work, including a song entitled V.A.L.I.S.

Theater

the short play Kindred Blood in Kensington Gore (1992) by Brian W. Aldiss
a 2005 play, 800 Words: the Transmigration of Philip K. Dick by Victoria Stewart, which re-imagines Dick's final days.[92]

Contemporary philosophy

Dick's foreshadowing of postmodernity has been noted by philosophers as diverse as Jean Baudrillard, Fredric Jameson, Laurence Rickels and Slavoj Žižek.[3] Jean Baudrillard offers this interpretation:

It is hyperreal. It is a universe of simulation, which is something altogether different. And this is so not because Dick speaks specifically of simulacra. SF has always done so, but it has always played upon the double, on artificial replication or imaginary duplication, whereas here the double has disappeared. There is no more double; one is always already in the other world, an other world which is not another, without mirrors or projection or utopias as means for reflection. The simulation is impassable, unsurpassable, checkmated, without exteriority. We can no longer move "through the mirror" to the other side, as we could during the golden age of transcendence.[93]

For his anti-government skepticism, Philip K. Dick was afforded minor mention in Mythmakers and Lawbreakers, a collection of interviews about fiction by anarchist authors. Noting his early authorship of "The Last of the Masters", an anarchist themed novelette, author Margaret Killjoy expressed that while Dick never fully sided with anarchism, his opposition to government centralization and organized religion has influenced anarchist interpretations of gnosticism.[94]

Awards and honors[edit]

The Science Fiction Hall of Fame inducted Dick in 2005.[95]

During his lifetime he received numerous annual literary awards and nominations for particular works.[96]
Hugo Awards Best Novel 1963 – winner: The Man in the High Castle[7]
1975 – nominee: Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said[8]

Best Novelette 1968 – nominee: Faith of Our Fathers

Nebula Awards Best Novel 1965 – nominee: Dr. Bloodmoney[97]
1965 – nominee: The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch[97]
1968 – nominee: Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?[98]
1974 – nominee: Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said[99]
1982 – nominee: The Transmigration of Timothy Archer[100]

John W. Campbell Memorial Award Best Novel 1975 – winner: Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said[8]

British Science Fiction Association Award Best Novel 1978 – winner: A Scanner Darkly[101]

Graouilly d'Or (Festival de Metz, France) 1979 – winner: A Scanner Darkly

Philip K. Dick award

The Philip K. Dick Award is a science fiction award that annually recognizes the previous year's best SF paperback original published in the U.S.[102] It is conferred at Norwescon, sponsored by the Philadelphia Science Fiction Society, and since 2005 supported by the Philip K. Dick Trust. Winning works are identified on their covers as Best Original SF Paperback. It is currently administered by David G. Hartwell and Gordon Van Gelder.[102]

The award was inaugurated in 1983, the year after Dick's death. It was founded by Thomas Disch with assistance from David G. Hartwell, Paul S. Williams, and Charles N. Brown. Past administrators include Algis J. Budrys and David Alexander Smith.[citation needed]

Most of Dick's novels were paperback originals but worthy candidates for the award have recently become difficult to find.[102]

See also

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B.B.Baghor wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:

Now I'm going to try to calm myself down by listening to David Icke for a while. World Without End. Amen.

Thanks for posting this tubby, ortho, it's interesting to witness the UK audience in such enthousiasm, welcoming David Icke.
The same presentation "..... off your knees" was in Holland too, some years ago now. The audience was much calmer and
the feeling of the place wasn't like "crowded". But I've sat there for hours and hours, listening to this lion of a man called David
He does the jumping up and down and gesturing, wild and impatient, humorous in great timing, to me, obviously supported by
spirit of some sorts. I was genuinely impressed, for the first time seeing him live on stage and so alive with lion roars!
David Icke lives on the Isle of Wight, along the South coast of the UK. Are you OK?

The problem is that I keep asking questions -- rather than getting on a bandwagon and making lots of money. David Icke is supposedly worth Ten Million Dollars. I couldn't rant and rave like he does. I wouldn't be a crowd-pleaser in any way, shape, or form. People generally don't like me -- and I don't like me -- so at least we agree on something. I used to attend Dr. Robert H. Schuller's church -- and I couldn't do what he did. I used to listen to Rush Limbaugh for three-hours each day -- five days a week -- year after year -- but I couldn't do what he did. I'd stumble, stammer, speculate, and whine -- and people don't go for that. I'd also blurt things out -- which would get me removed (nicely or otherwise). So -- I am left to vegetate on the internet -- work at a menial job -- live in a dump of a house -- and waste my life away -- accomplishing absolutely nothing. My vision of reality has taken a lot of work to 'achieve' -- and it has been truly devastating. I think I see how the world, solar system, galaxy, and universe works (in a very preliminary sense) -- and I wish I didn't. I would've been much better off playing the game -- pursuing the Medical--Military--Money Complex -- and becoming some sort of a New World Order Manager. Perhaps in my next incarnation. But for now -- I think I'll conduct an internal Holy-War between that Medical--Military--Money Complex and the Prevention--Peace--Philanthropy Complex -- with the presupposition that this activity might be key to achieving a better world -- in an evolutionary (rather than a revolutionary) manner. Also -- consider the concept of Responsible Possibility-Thinking combined with Positive-Response Ability. What Would Robert Schuller Say??

Vidya Moksha wrote:

magamud wrote:The Phillip K. movement as I would call it with the other philosophers at that time was an excellent attempt to objectify reality.  I always wanted to get into his Exegesus.  Im sure I would just sit there and nod back and forth your right if Dick was talking.  Ill have to list those other philosophers that use to commiserate.  When I finish going through this entire thread I will post more ideas.

Thank-you magamud. My pleading and ranting is part of the act. You probably already know the territory I've covered better than I do -- and my request to treat my thread as Solar System Governance 101 is directed to everyone in general, rather than you in particular. I wonder how much info science-fiction writers get fed?! What if they get a dozen finished novels (from the Dark-Side of the Moon?) which they proceed to re-write in their own words?! I've really just been trying to rebuild a shattered faith and life within the sacred halls of this precious thread!! I'm not demanding anything -- and I really don't know what I want. All I know is that something has been very wrong for thousands of years -- and that we seem to be on the Brink of Extinction or Hell on Earth. I think people might really lose it if they lose their money and find out how badly they've been lied to. I think this present situation is incredibly volatile and dangerous. The world is too small -- and the bombs are too big. The thoughts I've thought regarding life, the universe, and everything -- throughout my life -- have literally scared the hell out of me -- regardless of whether any of it has been true, or not. The past five years have all but destroyed me. The possibilities and speculations have been quite vivid and realistic. My views of the way things might be are constructed with bits and pieces from a thousand sources, and several key individuals. I've fallen so far down the rabbit-hole, that I don't wish to go any farther right now -- or perhaps for the rest of my life. I'm not going to try to convince anyone of anything -- other than to finish refining and editing what I've already posted on this site. I think that most everything is a mixture of truth and poppycock -- but beneath the surface, there is a unified truth, which someone does not wish to become mainstream. I fear whoever that 'someone' is -- and what their agenda for Earth and Humanity might be. I also fear what I might become if I were to somehow replace that 'someone'. I might become a helluva lot worse than I think they might be. The Management of Humanity Might be Insanity Regardless of Who Rules and Regardless of How They Rule. I'm frankly trying to look at Solar System Governance from a Progressive and Regressive Point of View. I think this thing might be more complex and messy that we can possibly imagine. True-Believers and Doubting-Thomas's might both have very red faces in the very near future. Just keep thinking of ALL the possibilities -- regardless of how politically-incorrect and socially-unacceptable they might seem to be. I'm going to attempt to live a life of quiet-desperation for the rest of my life. Don't bother me. "Just Give Me My Color TV and Steel-Belted Radials -- and Leave Me Alone!!" I need to learn what I've posted, without moving my lips or my fingers. I think I'll be very lucky to keep what little sanity I have left -- and I wish I were kidding. We seem to wish to compete with God -- but what if God decides to compete with us?! Is Science-Fiction the Sacred-Scripture of the Twenty-First Century?!

Consider studying {Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Acts, Romans, Hebrews} in the context of {Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy} especially in the context of Joseph in Egypt -- as a mental and spiritual exercise. Then, repeat this exercise, imagining all of the above to be in the context of a high-tech ancient solar system. What might it be like to have extensive discussions regarding this topic with Tall Long-Nosed Grey Nazi-Mason-Jesuit Egyptologist-Theologians on the Dark-Side of the Moon??!! "This is orthodoxymoron, reporting live, from the Dark-Side of the Moon, with a special four-hour edition of The Regressive Perspective!!" I should stop.

I'm going to passively pursue the idea of Osiris and Horus v Gabriel (Isis?) and Lucifer. Mammalian v Reptilian? Righteous v Rebellious? Or the other way around? Did Osiris and Horus side with humanity in a rebellion against a reptilian theocracy? Have Gabriel and Lucifer ruled humanity in a rather harsh manner? Is Horus completely disempowered? Is Osiris returning to clean up the mess? Did Lucifer and Michael both play the part of 'Horus' under the queenship of Isis?

"Nungal Great Lords. "Fallen Angels". Book of Enoch: watchers. Bené Elohim (Sons of the Elohim). Those who coupled with human females without authorization of Yahvé (An-Enlil). Akkadian: Igigi. Male. Created (in great haste) by Sa'am and Mamitu-Nammu (see Personages) from Imdugud genes on which Abzu-Abba had been experimenting. Considered as Life Designers although no knowledge of cloning. Followers of Osiris and Horus. A Gina'abul rebel race**."

Followers of Osiris and Horus. God the Father and Michael/Horus/Mithras/Jesus? Was Osiris removed or killed, and Michael/Horus/Mithras/Jesus taken hostage, enslaved, crucified? Have Gabriel/Lucifer or Isis/Ra ruled the world for thousands of years? Are the two really one? We? Are they a single reptilian queen, or two reptilian queens, or a reptilian queen and a hybrid hermaphrodite? Is the Jesus story really an ancient Babylonian or Egyptian story, which contains both truth and lies? Damned if I know.


I find it difficult to think of a dismembered penis as being a sign of dominance. I also find it difficult to think of a murdered corpse nailed to a cross as being a sign of dominance or as a display of deep respect. I'm still looking for one Christian church in 2,000 years, which was/is based upon the Teachings of Jesus. I keep thinking that Michael/Horus/Mithras/Jesus got himself in one helluva lot of trouble, and that he/she has been out of power for a very long time. I keep thinking of a Reptilian Queen of Heaven as being the one who wears the pants in this solar system. I'm not sure if the Queen of Heaven is the God of This World, or if they are two separate beings. If shape-shifting, being hermaphrodite, and being able to move one's soul from body to body is involved, it might be very difficult to pin down who is who, and who does what. I'm just trying to figure out what's really been going on, and what the best next step might be, for all concerned, human and otherwise. What was the true source of Parks' material? One would almost have to be given hidden ancient records. What hidden records might exist within and beneath the Vatican? I'm frankly having a very difficult time digesting the esoteric material on the internet. I can only handle so much. BTW, have you studied the 'Holy Tablets'? I liked reading them, but I had to stop. Maybe I'll start again soon. The same thing happened with Courtney Brown's material. I could only take so much, and I had to stop. I'm presently thinking of the Queen of Heaven (Isis/Gabriel?) as being Draconian Reptilian, and the God of This World (Ra/Lucifer?) as being a Mammalian/Reptilian Hybrid, and Michael/Horus/Mithras/Jesus as being Human. I don't know about God the Father (Osiris?). That remains the biggest mystery to me. But Jesus said 'I and my Father are one' and 'If you've seen me, you've seen the Father'. What did he really mean?

I am told that I am going around in circles and spinning my wheels, yet probably 2% of my questions are answered by anyone. Most won't even talk to me. There is very little rational and detailed conversation. I'm told to go within, but how does one know that I'm not going within? Many of my questions are rhetorical, and my repetition is intended to make some of my ideas stick, rather than being stated once, and then being completely ignored. Sooner or later, I will learn to throw my weight around, but for now, I will continue to be meek and mild, and just keep asking questions on this little forum. I once thought it would be cool to be a televangelist, but I decided that it was mostly a racket, so I moved on. But really, so much in life seems to involve giving people what they want and telling them what they wish to hear, rather than being straightforward and honest. The truth is so overrated...

I think that sci-fi writers get slipped bits and pieces of classified information to help prepare the general public for who knows what?! I think this whole thing is a cold war of sorts, which could potentially become a very hot war. It's frustrating to have to keep speculating, but that's probably the way it has to be. I would be very surprised to see a 'Disclosure' press conference, complete with Dracs, Greys, Hybrids, Inter-Dimensional Beings, UFO's, Mag-Lev Trains, Politicians, Scientists, and Clergy - from a Deep Underground Draconian Monastery Beneath the Vatican. Can you imagine what would happen if they did THAT??!! OMG!!! If I occasionally get it right, no one gives a damn, because no one really knows. All of this seems to be sort of a Guerilla Disclosure Process. I still think that the behind the scenes battles and debates regarding solar system governance are something to behold. I'd sort of like to be in the middle of it, but I suspect that if I were, that I wouldn't be able to handle it. BTW, did you see the cover of the May issue of 'Popular Science'? It featured a Mag-Lev Train of the Future which could travel from Los Angeles to New York in 41 minutes. More disclosure. The following image is actually from a 2004 issue.

Here is an eleven-part documentary called 'The Hidden Story of Jesus'. As most of you know, all too well, I am currently attempting to integrate the Teachings of Jesus, the U.S. Constitution, the Latin Mass, and Sacred Classical Music. Would this conceptual integration survive the implications and ramifications of this documentary? Would this basic framework be something which most nations and religions could comfortably participate in? Is the real problem the abuses and absurdities of the past two thousand years? If I'm wrong, what might be a proper foundation for religious and political unity - without coercion or persecution? How should we properly unite as a human family? Should we even try to unite? What about the Dracs, Greys, and Hybrids? Are they people too? What would Isis say? Is Jesus a Christian? Does Jesus go to church? Did Jesus tell people to go to church? One more thing. Take another look at 'The Ring of Power' in light of 'The Hidden Story of Jesus'. Is Jesus 'The Prince of Peace' or did Jesus bring a sword? Does Christianity have the following image in many parts of the world?


Perhaps there is an original Micael/Horus/Mithras/Jesus story - which was a mixture of reality and fantasy - which then was repeated and embellished. Perhaps someone should write 'The Quest for the Historical Horus' as a companion to 'The Quest of the Historical Jesus'. What would Albert Schweitzer say? BTW - Dr. Schweitzer doubted the Historical Jesus, but highly valued the Teachings of Jesus. My present view is that the Four Gospels should be studied as a mental and spiritual exercise, and that people should then think and do whatever makes sense - under the influence of the words attributed to Jesus Christ. I struggle with probably 5% of the Red-Letters, and I sometimes ask 'Jesus! What were you thinking?' Perhaps someday, someone will write 'The Quest of the Historical Orthodoxymoron', 'The Demythologized Orthodoxymoron', 'The Moron Who Never Was', 'More On Orthodoxymoron', or 'Orthodoxymoron Never Existed'. I should stop.


The 'Law of Confusion' is a descriptive and appropriate term...but I tend to eschew obfuscation...and to espouse elucidation. A Christocentric eschatological theological approach to scriptural studies which utilizes the concept of comprehensive concentration...which assumes the red-letter teachings of Jesus as being fundamental...with the remaining portions of the biblical canon as being merely contextual...cross-referencing utilizing a Strong's Concordance...and applying the accepted norms of grammatical-historical hermeneutics...is supremely beneficial regarding definitively and devotionally ascertaining the Christ Conscious Aspects of the First Source and Center of All Things...to fully experience Jesus as Lord in modernity...being careful to exegete...rather than eisegetically twisting and corrupting the sacred texts to conform to canon law (there is no substantial body of evidence which substantiates transubstantiation)...so as not to become a reprehensible and reprobate hermeneutic whore...a cursed Judas Iscariot in dire need of prostrate penetance, confession, repentance, and reconciliation...and in grave danger of burning for all eternity as a sinner in the hands of an angry God. World Without End. Amen.


I found this interview to be quite interesting. Please watch it, and tell me what you think. I mostly point to the work of other people. Why reinvent the wheel? Besides, I really am a completely ignorant fool, who just happens to have enough sense, to point people in the right direction! I remain schizophrenic regarding religion, Christianity, and the Vatican. I think we might be dealing with gods and goddesses, angels and demons, rather than God - at least in this solar system. I think theology is very important, as does Jordan Maxwell. I've recently become fascinated with the life and times of Pope Pius XII - for a variety of reasons. I'd still like to somehow hijack the Vatican with my little Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System - and mostly replace Canon Law with the Teachings of Jesus. I doubt the details of the Historical Jesus - even though it's a terrific story. But I do reverence the actual Teachings of Jesus - even though there are some perplexing 'hard-sayings' of Jesus. These teachings might not have been spoken by Christ 2,000 years ago, but regardless of their source, I find them to be inspiring and profound. What if the Vatican were based upon the Red-Letter Teachings of Jesus and the U.S. Constitution? I love the art, architecture, music, panache, etc. of the Vatican and the Roman Catholic Church, but the history and theology are hugely problematic - and the form of governance lends itself to evil and corruption. There seems to be too much power at the top, and too much secrecy. This is just my impression. The Vatican seems to be a huge part of the problem - and potentially a huge part of the solution. Hope springs eternal.

There is only so much of the bloody history that I can handle. I have to shield myself from a lot of it. I really am much too sensitive and idealistic. The same goes for nasty, faith-shattering harangues. I have to take that sort of thing in small doses. If one really wishes to become disillusioned, they can read 'Foxe's Book of Martyrs'. This world has been, and is, a Bloody and Stupid Insane Asylum. It has so much potential - but I hate the reality. On the other hand, I used to love to practice the pipe-organ in a small Roman Catholic church - and watch people praying as I practiced. To me, this is church at it's best.

I think a lot of beings - human and otherwise - have chosen to work for the dark-side - because the system of rewards and punishments is backasswards. This needs to be corrected, or this world will remain the hell-hole that it is, until it's pulverized into one big asteroid-belt. I'll keep reincarnating in this solar system - trying to make it better. I don't want to play this stupid game any longer - but I feel obligated to do so. I'm trying to change the damn game - but the galactic powers that be seem to have other ideas...

Which Teaching of Christ do you wish to take issue with? Is reincarnation real? What happens when we die? I have more interest in Roman Catholic art, architecture, and music than I do in their church councils and pontifications. I'm thinking of the Latin Mass more as an artistic expression - than as a theological milestone. The Teachings Attributed to Jesus Christ make a helluva lot of sense - regardless of their source. And even if they turn out to be mostly untrue - they would still be an excellent mental and spiritual exercise. People will run from one perceived House of Refuge to another. When religion is destroyed - one should make damn sure that they have something better to put in it's place...

I am interested in contemporary thinking, so when I ask you questions, this is part of an ongoing research project. I'd love to chat, but it's time to separate the sheep from the goats...

OK - no politics, no religion, no Jordan Maxwell. The total breakdown of societal structure - including the legal system - should lead us to Nirvana! Anarchy = Paradise! I'm feeling better already!   Seriously - when one stops trying to improve politics and religion - I think there is a euphoric exhilaration. Unfortunately, I think we need some form of politics and religion. I favor positively reinforcing the best of the past, with a Minimalist Traditionalist approach, as an evolutionary methodology of reforming admittedly corrupt societal structures. Letting go of politics and religion, on an individual basis, probably works, at least for a while - but on a global level, I think we're stuck with politics and religion. I will continue to contemplate idealistic conceptualizations of church and state - and the proper relationship between church and state. I will also continue to contemplate a perfected humanity, living in a perfected solar system. I doubt that this is going to happen anytime soon. In fact, we might be very lucky to simply survive...

As the general public learns more of the horrible historical abuses of church and state - and as they find out more and more about the New World Order - and as they are adversely affected by it - there may very well be anarchy - complete with running in the streets. Then the noose might get a lot tighter. I have been doing a lot of dreaming on another thread - and I feel quite comfortable with many of my conclusions - but I don't have a clue regarding how and when to implement them. Great ideas can be horribly botched. It seems as though the New World Order is being installed in a very sloppy and shoddy manner. I have huge problems with the Old World Order and the New World Order - but I think we need some sort of a World Order. In fact, I think we need a Solar System Order or a New Solar System. But as we all know, the road to hell is paved with good intentions...

Should we seek no common ground or global cooperation? Must we be slavishly individualistic? What does the term 'Divide and Conquer' mean to you? What is truth? Should freedom have limits? If so, what should they be? Is ridicule a form of control? I think that politics, religion, and theology are a mixture of truth, lies, good, and evil. These are very messy subjects. What I really object to in the world are the creepy, corrupt, destructive, and violent aspects.

I tend to think that Jordan might've gotten a bit too close to Freemasonry and Blavatsky, and he doesn't always make proper word associations. Once again, he seems to be very good at pointing out obscure connections and problems, but he rarely offers convincing solutions. But I love listening to Jordan, and I have learned a lot from him. Whether he is right or wrong, I think a lot of us should deeply research the subjects he discusses. Being single probably makes researching a lot easier. Not many spouses would be patient and understanding enough to tolerate all of the problems connected with controversial and esoteric research. I think that a supernatural battle is part of the deal. It's not just an intellectual matter. I continue to like listening to Jordan Maxwell and Bill Cooper, but they don't make me happy. In fact, I keep exposing myself to material which is really quite negative and troubling. But I try to find solutions in the midst of the turmoil, and once in a while I actually succeed. Unfortunately, I think I make a lot of individuals and groups - human and otherwise - terrestrial an extraterrestrial - LIVID. Just imagine how mad they might be if I weren't a completely ignorant fool!!! I'd be downright dangerous!!! What would Raven say???


The following was posted by Anchor on another thread, and I thought it might be helpful to repost it here. http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t2620-your-input-required-please#47043

I offer this as input. It is copied from a thread of mine at PA... http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?4579-Earth-changes-Discussion, which in turn was started from material copied from PA version 1, also by me - and our very own orthodoxymoron

{Reposted from PAv1 Late Feb 2009 with edits. It have not changed my opinion since then !}

From PA1, Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron
Are the Powers That Be planning to exterminate most of us with 'Earth Changes'?

If by the TPTB you mean the ruling elite, then I think the answer is no. There are easier ways to achieve that. For example: 3rd density humankind need food, shelter and water to live.

From PA1, Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron
Could HAARP or sub-polar nuclear detonations precipitate these 'Earth Changes'?

Maybe they could precipitate changes, but not the ones that the Earth actually needs; nor (in my opinion) would they be able to carry out any such large scale changes of that nature - the Earth is well protected right now. You would likely see faults occurring in the equipment in the something like the way that the LHC system was stopped.

Can they use their war toys and tools to cause mischief? Yes very much so. The sum total of our human activity provides plenty (but lessening all the time) of scope for them to act within the bounds of karmic balance and non-infringement of cosmic law to cause plenty of annoying mischief.

From PA1, Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron
How is it that the earth can exist for thousands of years without 'Earth Changes'...

From PA1, Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron
but now that we have extermination technology and the motivation of expediency...we are now going to have 'Earth Changes' which are supposedly going to be completely natural in origin.

As you know, I don’t agree that they are related. The hurried and increasing Earth changes are happening as a consequence of the planets position and movement into an energetically different part of the Galaxy – certain configuration changes within the Earthly body – and purification are necessary to complete this process in a manner that does not affect the cosmic environment far from the planet – it is all connected. We have caused problems more far reaching in scope than we know. The Earth has to do this or die and many sources that discuss this have said that the Earths decision was not to die, and called for help which it has received in abundance.

Therefore, it is certain that the Earth will ascend energetically over the next 100 years or so with a massive change around 2012. It will catch up with the others in our solar system from a progress point of view.

If you want you can stick around for the ride, but if you plan of living more than say 30-60 years then you will want to be on the path to 4th density positive ascension - otherwise you will find it impossible to exist on the new 4th density positive Earth, and will need to incarnate somewhere else.

From PA1, Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron
I feel like a darn duck in a shooting gallery.

Understandable, but it is essential that you get past this. You, more than most, are not powerless to influence the outcome. That applies both to you and every single reader of this forum.

We must take back our power. You have the power to choose.

Thanks

A..

From PA1, Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron
[Anchor you made ] Statements:

'No large numbers of disharmonious humans living on it. As you know recently this changed, the numbers shot up, and we have been behaving, on aggregate, in an increasingly nasty manner. This is the cause of the planetary imbalance on a huge scale that require ‘Earth Changes’ to balance out.'

'We have caused problems more far reaching in scope than we know. The Earth has to do this or die and many sources that discuss this have said that the Earths decision was not to die, and called for help which it has received in abundance.'

'If you want you can stick around for the ride, but if you plan of living more than say 30-60 years then you will want to be on the path to 4th density positive ascension - otherwise you will find it impossible to exist on the new 4th density positive Earth, and will need to incarnate somewhere else.'

Response:

So...Earth has decided to exterminate us to save herself? Will the Illuminati help Mother Earth to exterminate us? I sure hope I advance sufficiently to ascend with the spiritual giants. Survival of the fittest? Evolution at work? I feel so loved!

No, the Earth has decided to ascend. The train is pulling out the station. We have a similar choice - that is the main point of what I am trying to say.

Your eternal survival is already assured, just not necessarily in your current third density form.

You still have a choice.

I think that the more you look outside for the answers the harder it will be for you, may I suggest looking within ?

On your final words: Of course you are loved! You are loved and cherished more than any of our human minds can comprehend! Being in a third density body and behind the veil of confusion is one of the biggest and at this time, hardest, spiritual challenges imaginable.

Countless beings of light and love are watching - they have your back and can help - but you must act, you must act and be responsible for the outcomes of those actions. Nothing gets done for you, but you can be helped all the time. Ask.

You are here are this time for a reason...

In the love and the light

A..

PS: Sorry I didn't comment on the illuminati part of your post. They may help - but not because they planned to!

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

You have no right to be here. And whether you can hear it, or not...the universe is laughing behind your back.' Was this verse created by the reptillians? Is Mother Earth really the inner earth reptillians(both physical and interdimensional)? Is Mother Earth really Gizeh Intelligence...or is Mother Earth really Lucifer? Do they want the 'Earth Changes' which will exterminate most of humanity...and render the remaining sheeple quite manageable? Will our ascension into 4th and 5th dimension occur when we are exterminated? Will the interdimensional reptillians be waiting for us on these levels? Shouldn't the world unite around a globalism based on the U.S. Constitution and Sound Money...wherein the people of the world rule themselves with Constitutional Responsible Freedom? Shouldn't Earth Change Extermination be completely off the table? Shouldn't population reduction be achieved through education and contraception? Shouldn't environmental restoration be accomplished with the help of Free Energy? Shouldn't the sell out elites be brought to justice? Shouldn't this happen soon?

Are these genuine questions requiring answers or are they a rhetorical rant - a "wailing and gnashing of teeth"?

What is the axe you are grinding on "extermination" - it implies intent rather than consequence. The fact many may die is a potential consequence of the Earth ascension, but also in parallel, an intent of the dark elite. Why does it matter which? Death is not the end - or do you think it is?

I can tell you a bit about how things will be if you like, but I am not sure you want to hear it from me.

The challenge before us is to make a difference!

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron
Did I hit a nerve? The questions are both inquisitive and rhetorical. I had a teacher with a PhD in rhetoric. How, exactly, will the killing occur? How many of our fellow human beings will die? Will they die instantly...or will they suffer? Will there be 'weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth'? Do you expect to be a survivor...or a statistic? Death is not the end...but is death a friend? What steps are being taken to save the lives of our brothers and sisters? Or do we not give a kangaroo's patootie?

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron
Did I hit a nerve?

No you didn't. I should hope you were not trying! I did ask you some questions though but you only answered a few. I sort of needed the answers to take this thread in a useful direction - though at this rate we really need to hop over to the Spirituality forum

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron
How, exactly, will the killing occur?

The way I see it, it started already: economic collapse. difficulty with food production and distribution. The inability of large sections of the human race to co-operate in a crisis. Later on, extreme weather, rising sea levels, and geological changes. The wildcard factor is what the dark forces might do in terms of a scorched Earth retreat once they realise they cannot stay.

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron
How many of our fellow human beings will die?

Lots. Sorry.

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron
Will they die instantly...or will they suffer?

A morbid question. Some will some wont. Some will suffer varying degrees. I don't know numbers. What will happen will mostly be down to the persons level of consciousness, the soul contract they came into incarnation with, and their karmic situation. Many people will be catalysed to see the light as the pace of change and the inconveniences with which we will be beset increase.
Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron
Will there be 'weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth'?

Yes, many people will not see the light or awaken to their true nature and will persist in a state of victim consciousness - begging to be rescued by anyone who will have them. This is not the way you will survive. To survive one must act for oneself and ones like-minded community of fellow survivors, that should a person have a mind to, they will be attracted to the necessary groupings.

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron
Do you expect to be a survivor...or a statistic?

Yes, and as such I will also be a statistic

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron
Death is not the end...but is death a friend?

No death is not a friend. Allow me to paint a picture for the sake of perspective. Some of it may be prophetic, and I apologise if this offends anyone. Imagine yourself walking among a scene of destruction, with every heartstring plucked in angst for the dying and the suffering. Rubble, smoke, water, fire, extreme weather, broken bodies and half closed body-bags.

Recently [as I wrote this ] the end came for 200 people in Victoria in the bush-fires. Some of the burning was similar to SHC but on houses. Some people were incinerated in seconds. It doesn't matter if it was HAARP or Earth changes, they still died. This third density chapter is closed for them. Same for Louisiana flooding, or the big tsunami, etc etc.

Human kind has stood by for years and watched its brothers and sisters in different countries die of starvation, thirst, poverty and readily preventable diseases. Why is it any different for people in the same country?

If you meant death as an easy escape - I don't recommend that. The reason is that you are hear at this time for a reason. In my own mind I am 100% positive that you are here, as are most of the people attracted to this group, for the same reason I am. You can choose to survive, teach and learn. You can learn to listen within and thereby hear the truth and the guidance that will lead you. You can learn the power of the call for aid and the awesome cosmic forces at your disposal to bring that aid to others in such abundance that your intuition assures you is necessary. Once you realise that, then you can see that leaving early would be somewhat dishonorable and a big unhelpful mission fail.

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron
What steps are being taken to save the lives of our brothers and sisters?

The awakened will awaken as many as possible. This vanguard will shine for the others. This will not be a rescue as emphasised before, but the way is shown. Each must act and be responsible for the results of those actions at every level. This is in fact how it has always been and always will be, but the somnolent state of many has masked this awareness - mainly because of the influence that we have all allowed the dark elite to have on our lives.

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron
Or do we not give a kangaroo's patootie?

I care heaps. We must give as much kangaroo's patootie as we have the capacity to give it

I appreciate you coaxing this information out of me. It helps me and I hope it helps anyone who reads it. It is important for everyone to discriminate and reject this information if it seems wrong or irrelevant to you.

A..

Elandiel BernElve
Thank you for this thread, it's very interesting to read. Since i haven't been on the PA1 forum I'm wondering does this all originate from 2009? It feels like since 2008 earth development understandings have increased exponentially and much of what we thought then is already considered to be slightly or totally different.

Yes it is based on a summary of information that I was really starting to recognize during 2008 but the thread was in early 2009.

I expected many changes that have not actually occurred, though much has happened. I was surprised by the skill with which the recent GFC that could have precipitated some of the heavier catalyst was averted by TPTB. Suits me, gives me more time to get my own head in the right place :)

Nothing has really changed, but unfortunately that may mean the catalyst is swifter and harsher when it does come. It must. I remain convinced that the earth is ascending and there is a timetable.

Elandiel BernElve
I don't really know what to think of it, it's a lot of doom what puts me once again in this incomfortable position of despair.

It is not doom to me.

A forest fire is necessary for a pine cone to open and spread its seeds - the destruction - doom on some levels, is the blossoming and nurturance of new life on others. This is a marvellous time we are living through. I have watched you posting on this forum and I can see you have a firm grasp on many of the essential elements to this thinking and yet you despair. I hope I can offer some encouragement.

You are exactly where you need to be. And in this situation, you are equipped with a failsafe instrument of guidance. That instrument, your heart, your connection to your higher self, is the way shower for you as it is for each other human in the game right now.

Elandiel BernElve
I'm but a student living in this small studio appartment with no financial means to achieve any precautions for any kind of doomscenario. I don't have a basement I can fill with food, I can't buy myself a farm at a safe spot to start a community and make our food independantly. I can't buy gold, I can only prepare myself mentally, I'm stuck in this position because only for some years now I'm learning all these Avalon/Camelot things.

The evidence you present seems to stack against my arguments, but I am lucky, I have seen wonderful and miraculous things. I feel I can speak with a good measure of conviction on the matter - however that said, the disclaimer always applies, the all important resonance test and discrimination that you and you alone must apply to my words. This could all be deluded nonsense.

I know that the manifestation process works for me, and so I know it will work for you. I know that my higher self guides me out of trouble (when I am wise enough to let it). I am double your age and in that time, I have had some cool opportunities to see how the magic works.

Elandiel BernElve
It just sucks to sit and wait for some f*** up people or reptillians to come around and exterminate me. it's a pathetic vision...

Yes, it is pathetic. Don't do it! Right away, starting today, you can take action. Take care with what you place your attention on - you are a creator, your intent is the key to creation. You are responsible for all of it, don't make things that come back to bite.

Elandiel BernElve
I WILL not abide, I've got too much to offer, I am living to my fullest extend, each day trying to get better, to evolve, to help people, to learn, to love, to change, to live. I care for this place, for you, for the universe., for our lives and well being

I don't deserve this doom.

You don't, but, I am guessing that for you it has a (temporary) purpose - a kind of a dark night of the soul - if that is what it is, it will pass. Having all this new information set upon you is a tough blow to the "self".

It will stop as soon as you release the negative concepts and see the situation as other than (say) doom.

My sense is that you are way ahead of the curve in personal transformational terms. Please don't be discouraged, but please don't sit back and let it all happen either.

Every step you take is a piece of the puzzle completed. It is the painting of a new "dot" on the pointillist’s canvas. Before long you will realise that you have completed a masterpiece, from time to time as you create this work you will step back (and you do have to step back with that kind of art) and marvel at what has been achieved. I have been blessed with a merest glimpse of that collective masterpiece we create, which is to come (for us) and it surpasses anything I can express in words.

Elandiel BernElve
But what the heck am I going to do when people keep stalking me over about preparing for all this doom that is ahead.

Ignore them. You must carefully evaluate your motives and re-evaluate them in the light of the new knowledge. You may make the odd mistake, but that’s the whole point. An important concept is you are sovereign. There is no judge higher than your-self. No one can judge you, even if they try, it is just advice - which you can take or leave! Do that according to your discernment and inner wisdom you won’t go far wrong. Sure - as you work through all this it will stress interpersonal relationships - some break, others, new ones that are forged in the light and the love of the newer wisdom will form.

Elandiel BernElve
Help?

Forgive me making some assumptions about what you do or do not do in this regard. I am sorry if they are wrong. If you are doing the things I say below, keep up the good work. If you are not, then please consider this encouragement to start. I have been accused many times of being condescending. If I am I really hope you know that don’t want to be. I do want to help if I can.

I think there is a lot to digest in this thread if you are seeing it raw for the first few times. You really need to help yourself. Meditation is the best and most effective way to develop the mental clarity required to help you see your way. It is the only way I know to develop the connection to your higher self that you really need. The higher self is your infallible guide, it is none-other than you from the future come back with the accumulated wisdom of then, to help you in the NOW. At any time you can ask yourself or your other guides for help. Simply mentally intone the question and "catch" what comes.

Thanks for asking the honest questions!

I honour that place where you and I are one. Your light shines, it really does.

John..

I still have no idea what's really going on in this solar system. My internet research and posting have been a pseudo-intellectual game which might help some of us think outside of the box. The truth will probably occur gradually -- but I doubt that complete disclosure will ever occur. I keep suspecting deception -- even regarding the most convincing revelations. I get the sinking-feeling that those who don't like me are just feeding me more and more rope, in the hope that I'll hang myself. I get the feeling they are pulling their punches, as they wait for the right time to really deck me. But what if I really simply walk away from this madness at the end of August (if not sooner)?? What if I truly don't do anything?? What was I supposed to do?? Do I really wish to know?? The stakes are too high -- and I know too little -- to properly proceed. I often feel as if I might be some sort of a spoiled, lazy, stupid ex-insider -- who got kicked out of the Dark-Side of the Moon for being a Pompous and Supercilious Moralistic-Smart@$$. But now I'm wondering if the internet exposed a lot of insiders -- catching them with their spacesuits down -- necessitating reinstating me as a Token Ethical Insider. But I'm continuing to wonder if I'm deemed to be too screwed-up, politically-incorrect, and socially-unacceptable to do anything other than take my dog for long walks. I'm sort of making this up as I go completely insane -- so don't judge me too harshly. I'm a sensitive fool. Are we really dealing with Purgatory Incorporated -- built upon the foundation of Deception, Cruelty, Stolen Technology and Solar System Conquest?? What if I turn out to be an Ancient Ring Leader?? But what if a Nasty Galaxy requires Nasty Methods??

I've been thinking in terms of This Solar System = Purgatory Incorporated = Ra Deal. I have no idea if things have to be this way, or not. I am more moralistic regarding what one does with the money they make -- rather than how the money is made. I know that sounds hypocritical (and it IS) -- but I am trying to temper my idealism with pragmatism. I have no idea what the true state of affairs are -- so I'm in the process of shutting-down -- watching rather than talking. It seems as if Humanity sold-out way too quickly and easily -- and that we've been paying dearly for thousands of years. That's my story -- and I'm sticking to it -- for now. Now I have to get back to work, so that I can Look Real Good -- and Make Lots of Money -- by the use of Ethical-Deception and Moral-Ambiguity. Just kidding -- or am I??

It seems as though things are up for grabs right now. I think things might be quite chaotic. We might achieve world peace - or we might experience the extermination of the human race. I am finding out so much, and I am so fearful, that I feel as though my sanity is in question. On the other hand, if I could take everything in stride, would I really understand the situation? Might a limited case of insanity really be a completely sane reaction to a completely insane world, solar system, and galactic situation? I just started cleaning house, after letting things go for a long time. I have felt somewhat paralyzed by my discoveries and speculation. I think the counterbalancing forces and factions are extremely powerful, and that it's very difficult to predict what's going to go down over the next few years. I am very afraid of hidden technology and WMD's. I will keep listening to everyone, without hanging on every word, or ridiculing them. I'm sort of everyone's friend and everyone's enemy. I think this will continue for the rest of my lives.

I'm trying to begin a comprehensive search and review of Avalon 1 and Mists. I'm trying to cut way back on new posting. I thought things might be looking up, until Fukushima. For a variety of reasons, this event completely disillusioned me regarding any perceived progress toward resolving festering hidden issues, and avoiding earth-changes or punishment/sacrifice/cleansing events. I fear that Fukushima was deliberately inflicted, and it made me start agonizing over 9/11 once more. I am very unhappy with the human condition. I think we are a very problematic race, and so many things seem to be out of control, and possibly past the point of no return. But I think that deliberately inflicted violence should not occur in any way, shape, or form. I continue to contemplate idealistic models of solar system governance, even as my self-governance continues to deteriorate. I continue to be troubled by the secrecy, deception, confusion, etc. My current sense of what is really going on is quite startling, to say the least, and I don't talk about it, other than what I have posted on Avalon and Mists. I think I'm preparing myself for a variety of possible and probable scenarios, and I'm asking myself what I would do if I were in a position to make any sort of a difference. I keep contemplating a constructive hijacking of the City States and the United Nations, as unlikely as this might be. Hope springs eternal.

I think things could go in just about any direction. So many things seem to be up for grabs. I've recently been focusing upon an idealistic 2112, and contemplating how to make it happen. I like science fiction, but most of it is horrific and violent. I have been trying to conceptualize a peaceful 2112. I don't know the true nature of non-mammalian humanoid life-forms, but I have been trying to imagine living with them in various locations throughout the solar system. I think we need to reign-in technology, industrialization, pollution, war - and we need to reduce the population through responsible-reproduction, rather than by earth-changes or any deliberately inflicted extermination. I continue to consider an idealistic and proper integration of theocracy and democracy. I wonder how many individuals in this solar system are willing to go through the hell required to really dig through all of the issues on the table, and then engage in effective activities to truly make things better, long-term. What would Germaine de Foix say?


I am very interested in the Nazi phenomenon, especially as it interacts with the hidden aspects of Roman Catholicism. I'm beginning to read 'Hitler's Pope'. I'm thinking that Gizeh Intelligence is the missing-link. While I think a lot of this is sinister, I think there might be a good side or happy ending to all of this, with the proper international or interplanetary supervision. I think that ancient technology and wisdom got hijacked by the bad guys and gals - or the Raiders of the Lost Ark. I think all of this high-tech madness goes way back into antiquity. I think that both the Old World Order and the New World Order need to be replaced by a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System - possibly based within the walls of a completely purified and reformed Vatican. I'm sure they just LOVE it when I make these posts! Just think of what this world might be like today if there had been no mistreatment of the Jewish people and no Second World War. Think of all of the fancy technology being shared with the entire world, with no violence, overpopulation, or pollution. I tend to think that some of those who were involved with the Nazis in the 1930's were somewhat idealistic and naive. But I tend to think that there were those who were VERY evil, and knew EXACTLY what they were doing, to screw the human race. Perhaps a lot of both secular and sacred history are cunningly devised fables, designed to obscure a very dark and complex past. If one were living in Germany in the 30's, it might be very difficult to resist the Nazi phenomenon, with all of it's power, pagentry, money, technology, industrialization - and with God on It's Side. We need to be VERY careful that we don't repeat the absurdities and atrocities of the past. But we really do seem to worship the All Powerful Gods of Power, Money, Technology, and Fame Paraded Before the Masses in a Bewitching Witch's Brew. The Wrong Thing Often Seems Like the Right Thing - and the Right Thing Often Seems Like the Wrong Thing. I continue to think that we need a vast worldwide army of careful researchers, who know how to face reality, without getting mad or going mad.

Hitler With Whip (acting like 'Jesus') http://nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm

Hitler's close friend, Dietrich Eckart, told of overhearing Hitler showing off to a lady by denouncing Berlin in extravagant terms: ". . . the luxury, the perversion, the iniquity, the wanton display and the Jewish materialism disgusted me so thoroughly that I was almost beside myself. I nearly imagined myself to be Jesus Christ when he came to his Father's Temple and found the money changers." Eckart described Hitler as "brandishing his whip and exclaimed that it was his mission to descend upon the capital like a Christ and scourge the corrupt."

And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting: And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables. --John 2:14-15


What is the ideal religious system? What is the ideal governmental system? What is the ideal model of interaction between a religious and political system? What would an ideal solar system be like? I think some of you need to step up to the plate, and discuss these issues with me. I'm still liking the idea of a solar system based upon the U.S. Constitution, with 10,000 representatives, who each have at least the equivalent of a PhD in Solar System Studies and Governance. I also like the idea of both politics AND religion being discussed by the Congress and the Senate. I think theology is central to getting solar system governance right, but would a historical approach to theology be wise? Should we only consider modern theological constructs? What if the solar system were sort of a non-militaristic and non-theocratic Holy American Empire? That term is probably highly objectionable to many, especially after the last couple of decades, but I will leave it, as is, to see what you have to say about it. I value endless discussions and debates regarding politics and religion. I endorse an ongoing political and religious infowar - as long as it is conducted in a reasonably friendly manner. But how do we nuture an identity and a sense of unity, if things are always in a turmoil? But if someone rules with an iron fist, then we're in big trouble, aren't we? But honestly, I could see myself enjoying living in a highly ethical theocracy, if and only if, it were done properly. The specter of enslavement and extermination continues to haunt me. My lack of knowledge regarding what is REALLY going on, is highly troubling to me. We have not been given proper religious or political leadership, yet we are criticized for being irresponsible. If there is a clear and proper standard, combined with proper governance, things might work out quite well for all concerned. I don't know enough about Draconians, Greys, Hybrids, or Interdimensional Reptilians, to really make any proper judgements about them. I remain open, yet wary.

Try relistening to Jim Marrs, Bill Cooper, Alex Collier, Alex Jones, Jordan Maxwell, and Joseph Farrell - in light of what I have been discussing on this thread. I'm not necessarily endorsing these people, but they cover a lot of important territory which directly relates to this thread. I don't care if you agree or disagree with me. I just want serious consideration and conversation to occur. I don't necessarily wish to wake everyone up. This often means RILING everyone up. I think that perhaps 20% of the population should really be on top of the infowar, and that the remaining 80% should continue to just try to survive and be happy. I don't ridicule those who watch football, Survivor, or American Idol. As long as people are not hurting each other, they should enjoy their freedom to be completely ignorant fools, if they so desire. My infowar journey is not making me happy, or making me a better person. It is disillusioning me. I never used to swear, but now I find myself doing this privately, to the point that my dog leaves the room. I really feel like a lost soul, because I probably am a lost soul, despite my best efforts to figure things out, and benefit all concerned. I continue to think that an attempted integration of the U.S. Constitution, the Teachings of Jesus, the Latin Mass, and Sacred Classical Music is an excellent place to begin conceptualizing a Vatican-Based Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System. Understand, that this is just a mental and spiritual exercise, and that it is just the beginning of a VERY DEEP study. I'm not saying 'My Way or the Highway'. A Minimalist Traditionalist starting point is all that I am suggesting. What the ultimate form of solar system governance ends up being, remains to be seen. Perhaps inventing solar system governance will be a lot like Edison inventing the light bulb. My immediate concern is reading 'The Historical Jesus and the Mythical Christ' by Gerald Massey, and separating fact from fiction. Oh me of little faith...


Are we dealing with a Solar System Wide Babylonian/Egyptian/Grecian/Roman Reptilian Orion-Queen Theocracy aka Gizeh Intelligence - Primarily Administered Through the Vatican?

I'm not hostile regarding all of this. I'm just trying to understand. The true nature of the soul is the real wild-card. If human souls are interdimensional reptilian (and I don't know that they are), can you imagine how the general public would react to that sort of thing??!! OMG!! 87% of them might go nucking futs. Waking people up could backfire if the news is bad enough. I don't wish to crusade or supress. I prefer an evolution of understanding what might be beyond comprehension. Consider Dan Winter. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFxzuCXVIHM Take a look at this. http://www.reptilianagenda.com/other/o070500a.shtml

"Did you think to notice that all the appearances the catholics claim to receive are by a female entity that they, NOT the appearing entity, call Mary? Strange for a supposedly male dominated religion to have all female visitations, even telling people to 'pray the rosary'. The rosary is a litany of repetitious praise of Mary..."Hail Mary". The rose is her flower, hence rosary. David Icke (and others) will tell you the rose's connection to those who rule the planet. What does all of this mean? The Orion queen is planning her return and is getting the locals ready to praying to a goddess figure. In the catholic church, Mary has become #1 over her alleged son, for example. The New Age religions, with their goddess philosophies work well with the catholic."

Once again, I am leaning toward the theory that Reptilian Queens are at the center of an esoteric study of the physical, spiritual, political, and religious history of this solar system. Some of this bias is based upon evidence, and some of it is simply intuitive and circumstantial. I continue to attempt to be somewhat neutral in all of this. I continue to wonder how God the Father, Gabriel, Lucifer, and Michael fit into all of the above. How would my concept of a United States of the Solar System affect all of the above? Consider this lecture by Robert Morningsky. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxFzH3goUsc&NR=1 Also, consider this video clip. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMVKc5aw14g&feature=related

God the Father seems to be absent - and this really bothers me. I keep seeing Hollywood representations of a Queen killing a King. Or even the story of Oedipus. I fear that somehow God the Father (Osiris?) has been removed or murdered. I'm sensing a Vengeful Mother (Gabriel?) Assisted by a Sinister Son or Daughter (Lucifer?) - and a Despised Out of Power Son or Daughter (Michael?). I have speculated that the Obelisk and the Crucifix are symbols of the Vengeful Mother and Sinister Child's victory over Osiris and Horus. But this is just more speculation. I'm suspecting a Family Feud / Civil War - spanning tens or hundreds of thousands of years - throughout our solar system and Sirius. But I could be completely wrong. A galactic tug of war could REALLY get out of hand in a hurry. When I speculate about all of this - I mean no harm or disrespect to any and all involved parties. I'm just trying to figure out what the hell is going on - and how to defuse whatever madness exists in this neck of the woods. The official history is horrible - and I think the real truth will prove to be unimaginably horrible. I am VERY concerned regarding what part I might've played in the madness. I have no peace - even on a good day. Take a long, hard look at 'East of Eden' and 'Rebel Without a Cause'. Guess who Osiris, Isis, Ra, and Horus might be? Osiris = God the Father? Isis = Mary/Queen of Heaven? Amen Ra = God of This World/Lucifer? Horus = Michael/Mithras/Jesus? Righteous Parent and Child vs Rebellious Parent and Child? Incoming Annunaki vs Local Annunaki? Was Michael/Horus/Jesus a Rebellious Annunaki who became a completely Human Being - and became Persona Non Grata and Galactic Enemy Number One - of both the Local and Incoming Annunaki? Are we facing a Three-Way Showdown? Is there any way to properly unite the three hypothetical parties - and to avert Armageddon?


Consider watching 'East of Eden'. I have a DVD, and I'm watching it right now. Consider the possibility of parallels between the major characters and the major players in this solar system. Just look for clues. Note that Kate always wore gloves. In Stargate, Ra (who I think of as being Hathor / Isis) wore finger protectors. I think Kitesh did too. This is probably insignificant, but who knows? Notice Kate wearing red. The Woman in Scarlet? Notice Kate's business. The Whore of Babylon? (I hate that term, but it is biblical) It feels like Adam is absent from this solar system. It feels like Kate and Cal have been running this solar system for thousands of years. It feels as though Aaron has been trying in vain, to reform this solar system. What if Aaron sees the good and the bad in the others, and is trying to broker a reconciliation? But what if this effort has made everyone angry? I know that's a stretch, but who really knows what the true state of affairs has been, and is presently? What would a composite of the best aspects of these four be like? Might this be the key to resolving the mess this solar system seems to be in? Think long and hard about the theological implications and ramifications of 'East of Eden'. Does a Sirian family somehow need to be reunited? East of Giza? Damned if I know. One more thing. The Sheriff was the real hero in this movie! Notice how well he handled everything! Adam, Aaron, Kate, and Cal seemed to be quite disfunctional, in very different ways, but the Sheriff seemed to take everything in stride, and do exactly the right thing.


So, where in this god-forsaken solar system do I go to talk about solar system governance? Sould I just keep talking to myself, just for the hell of it? Or should I simply say 'the hell with it'? I hate to say it, but I can understand how Megalomaniacs Anonymous became reprehensibly-corrupted, filthy-rich, and obscenely-powerful. The masses seem to be screaming 'We don't want truth and responsibility! We want lies and entertainment!' Edwin Bernays and Jordan Maxwell were probably right. If you don't know what I'm talking about, then watch 'The Century of the Self' and the last Project Camelot interview with Jordan Maxwell. The contents of this thread might have to be implemented from behind the curtain. But then, wouldn't that sort of defeat the whole raison d'etre for a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System? I really wish to help, in an open and honest manner, but this sort of thing doesn't seem to be the 'in thing' right now. A small solar system council, meeting in an old, deconsecrated and reverberant church, might be sort of fun. I sometimes think that the REAL solar system governance occurs in a hidden temple, sort of like the one in 'Stargate', where Debates to the Death occur regarding the Fate of Humanity. Who knows? Perhaps we deserve the New World Order. It really isn't worth a nervous breakdown, just to be ignored. I've pretty much had it with everyone. The good, the bad, the ugly, the ptb, the sheeple, the aliens, the gods, the goddesses, et al. I've pretty much had it with myself. This really isn't fun, and if it isn't fun, then I'm done...

Can you imagine observing a large lecture hall, filled with Oxford Dons, discussing the contents of this thread, and then some??!! I've touched upon this previously. I know that I'm just an amateur. The fact that I'm mostly going solo, and that there are persistent and severe intellectual and emotional issues, makes it very difficult for me to master any of this madness. The PTB wouldn't want me to do that anyway, now would they??? I expect to be a very amusing patient in a mental hospital someday, and probably sooner than later. Something to look forward to. Bring me a Darth Vader Balloon when you visit me - if anyone visits me. In the meantime, I'm going to overdose on Gerald Massey, Ralph Ellis, and Albert Schweitzer. BTW -- I have the same initials as Darth Vader -- I have been called Satan (on this website) -- I found an image of Azazel (which looks a lot like I did as a child) -- and I have been contacted by multiple Individuals of Interest (including at least one Ancient Egyptian Deity). How would THAT make YOU feel?? Also -- when I was probably six years old -- I stood transfixed in front of Thomas Gainsborough's Blue Boy for probably twenty minutes. What Would Dr. Who Do??

Consider the following KJV Biblical-Groupings:

1. Genesis through Numbers.
2. Deuteronomy through Esther.
3. Job through Song of Songs.
4. Isaiah through Daniel.
5. Hosea through Malachi.
6. Matthew through Luke.
7. John through Jude.
8. Revelation.

Which groups are the most problematic?? Which groups are the least problematic?? Which group might work best as the Law of the World in modernity?? Which groups are exclusively Jewish?? Which groups are exclusively Gentile?? Which groups apply to All People in modernity?? I continue to think that some of us should spend some quality time with the following two books by Ellen White (as sort of being Old-Testament and New-Testament Epistles):

1. Prophets and Kings.
2. Desire of Ages.

Once again -- none of this is intending as being a Line in the Sand. I simply think that we are in danger of losing control of this civilization (if control has not already been lost). I continue to think that positively-reinforcing the Vatican -- the City of London -- Washington D.C. -- the United Nations -- and the Moon -- needs to be done -- until something better surfaces. I am honestly out of the loop -- and I don't really know what to do (or not do). I am obviously biased by who I am -- where I live -- and how I've been educated (and not educated). I often feel like a Semi-Educated Idiot. I complain about being hamstrung and miserable. This is not an act or a joke. This is my private-hell (each and every day). I keep mentioning it for explanation purposes. It's not as if I feel fit and confident about any of this madness. I think a lot about eschatology -- but I'm not a Bible-Thumping Prophecy-Guru. If I were -- I might be able to afford that Porsche 911 GT3!!

Please continue to consider Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Acts, Romans, and Hebrews in the context of Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy -- especially in the context of the story of Joseph. Continue to consider Osiris, Isis, Horus, Set, God, Gabriel, Michael, Lucifer, Joseph, Moses, David, and Jesus. We are Actors, Actresses, and Game-Players on the Stage of Life. Compete Without Ceasing with Positive Response Ability. BTW -- John Rutter is one of my favorite choral-composers!!


The Secret Government seems to control everything through the City States and the United Nations. Deception and Greed seems to be the way things work in this world, in all areas of life, from finance to politics to religion to everything. The truth is so overrated. The secret seems to be for one to be a hypocrite, with a convincingly clean presentation and appearance, and with all of the wicked and corrupt activities hidden beneath the surface. I am convinced that we need good bad-guys and bad good-guys, who have the street smarts to figure out what's really going on, yet still have an ethical backbone to ultimately do the right thing. Those who are too good, are often not able to unearth the deception and wickedness, and those who are too bad, are really too far gone to be of any positive use to society. I aspire to be a bad@$$ good-guy, who can deal with the worst of the worst, yet harmonize with the best of the best. It's probably too late for this to be effectively realized in my life, but it's still something to shoot for. I'm going to try to keep looking at BOTH the good and the bad aspects of the Secret Government, the City States, and the United Nations. I sometimes think that a Solar System Administrator should be BOTH bad and good, so as to be tough enough and good enough to not let things get out of control. But how could a proper balance be achieved and maintained? I tend to think that a solar system based upon the U.S. Constitution (with minimal modifications) would be an excellent place to begin. But should there be one individual who is ultimately responsible for this solar system, or should the constitutional approach be considered to be all sufficient, with no need for an Overseer and Authority of Last Resort? I think the present state of affairs are too secret and very corrupt, but could things swing to an unsustainable opposite extreme?

I have spoken of the Teachings of Jesus, the Latin Mass, and Sacred Classical Music as being things which should be included in a consideration of solar system governance, because I think that a Constitutional Solar System Government should be highly ethical and spiritual, but ultimately, the Constitution should probably be a stand-alone basis for solar system governance. It could then be invigorated with the best of all governmental and religious systems. Listening to Latin Masses and Sacred Classical Music, while reading the 'Federalist Papers' and the 'Anti-Federalist Papers' is part of what I have in mind. Spending a couple of hours reading the 'Four Gospels' before studying the Constitution gives one a very different perspective of governance. I know the Roman Catholics would never go for it, but can you imagine what a Washington D.C. within the walls of the Vatican would be like? The real-estate is truly breathtaking, but the history and the theology are highly troubling, to me anyway. But I still think that the Vatican is probably very close to the center of current solar system governance, so it really cannot be ignored. I really would not wish to kick sand in the faces of those who practice some form of the Mass, Latin or otherwise. I'm not trying to start a war. I'm simply trying to determine what might be the most appropriate way to run this solar system. Obviously, I am just an armchair observer, with no experience, so this is probably an exercise in futility. But it beats watching television or playing video games. I continue to think that the best aspects of Anna (in 'V') should be emulated, and that the worst aspects should be vigorously resisted and opposed. Anna is a Reptilian Queen, isn't she? Might she be a lot like whoever REALLY runs this solar system? Damned if I know, but I continue to think along these lines. This whole thread is an experiment. It is sort of Reality Science Fiction. If you study this thread, you can create your own science fiction experience, in the privacy of your own mind. The only way this thread will really work, is if one takes it as a whole, rather than just looking at a few posts. Also, the sacred classical music I have linked, is an essential part of the equation. Listen to this music while studying this thread. This is very important. Again, this is really a mental and spiritual exercise, rather than a definitive statement of the way things really are, or really should be.

Perhaps the United States of the Solar System should not be Vatican-Based. Perhaps the U.S.S.S. should simply replace the Secret Government, and the United Nations. Perhaps places like St. Mary's, Mt. Weather, or Camp David would be appropriate headquarters locations. I don't wish to reinvent the infrastructure. I just wish to base Solar System Governance on the U.S. Constitution, with 10,000 representatives, who have the equivalent of PhD's in Solar System Studies and Solar System Governance. I don't want a bunch of stupid and corrupt nitwits running the solar system. I just want the whole mess to be cleaned-up and placed under the proper international and interplanetary supervision. I still don't know enough about the Dracs, Greys, Hybrids, Annunaki, et al, to make a proper evaluation of their potential threat or contribution to this solar system. I just want all of the false-flag bullshit to stop. I want war to become obsolete in this solar system. I want destitute poverty and starvation to go bye-bye. I want the alphabet agencies to put out fires, rather than starting them. I have no nationalistic favoritism whatsoever, other than desiring the centrality of the U.S. Constitution, which would give everyone a seat at the table. I just want us to make the best next step. Even if everything I have proposed is implemented, I would like to just keep doing what I'm doing, but perhaps with the benefit of a Cray and a Research Library. I want to just keep typing away on the internet. That's all. I wish to change everything - by changing as little as possible...

Perhaps I have a terminal case of Internet Leprosy. 'Unclean! Unclean!! Unclean!!!' I seem to be avoided like the plague. I'm really caring about this phenomenon less and less. At this point, I'm probably more interested in soul-development, than in anything else. Secondarily, I'm trying to communicate with the solar system powers that be, directly or indirectly, terrestrial or extraterrestrial, human or otherwise. This might be presumptuous, but one never knows. Perhaps this might be sort of a galactic back-channel. Damned if I know. I sure wish I knew who I really am at a soul-reincarnational level, and what I'm supposed to be doing. I feel as though I am screwing things up BIG TIME. I also feel horrible, and it doesn't seem that I can do more than what I'm doing presently, which really isn't very much. I'd like to do more. A lot more. I continue to be interested in the Nazi<>Gizeh-Intelligence<>Vatican relationship over the past 100 years. There are some aspects of this that I think are sort of cool, believe it or not, but I think that most of it is reprehensibly evil, at it's deepest and darkest levels. I think we can do a lot better than this. We really need to reform this solar system, but I'm not sure exactly how. I also wonder what role Nicola Tesla might've played in this Nazi<>Gizeh-Intelligence<>Vatican interaction. I wonder if Isis and Ra are one individual, or if they are two distinct beings. If they are two, instead of one, are they on the same side, or are they at war with each other? I'm seeing the Isis theme most closely associated with the Vatican, and the Amen Ra theme most closely associated with the Nazi phenomenon. A power struggle between the two wouldn't surprise me a bit. The Old World Order vs The New World Order? Perhaps we need a Third Party. Perhaps we need a United States of the Solar System. Should this third option incorporate the best aspects of the Old World Order and the New World Order, while discarding the worst aspects? I realize that the Patriot Movement and the Anti-Globalists would be very upset with what I just said, but what if the Old and New World Orders are the hijacking and perversion of a legitimate vision of a perfected humanity, living in a perfected solar system? I think that the Old and New World Orders have screwed things up very badly. This solar system deserves better. A lot better.

Now I'm gonna watch 'Rebel Without a Cause'. Can you imagine James Dean fighting the New World Order??!! Are male and female human beings in 3D physicality really dangerously irrational and unpredictable? Did the creation of the Human Race open a Pandora's Box? Is it impossible for human beings to obey the Law of God? No one will understand what the hell I'm talking about, except for God the Father and a couple of Archangels. Would a United States of the Solar System properly manage a seemingly unmanageable humanity? Would there have to be a theocratic aspect to a United States of the Solar System? Would Responsibility have to be enforced with an iron fist? This Experiment in Physicality and Freedom seems to be out of control. Is this Earth Genetics Laboratory aka Ea-Den in Lockdown? Are lights flashing and alarms ringing throughout the universe? Is the universe responding by sending 150 mile long UFO's to deal with this dangerous meltdown? Are they threatening to turn off the sun? Lights out? Game Over? I keep saying that we might be in more trouble than we can possibly imagine, and no one seems to give a god-damn. You sanctimonious, pompous, supercilious clergy and do-gooders probably just give a god-damn because I said 'god-damn', instead of taking me seriously. Perhaps someday, someone is going to say 'I never knew you. Depart from me, ye workers of iniquity. In other words 'god-damn you'. Then you too will probably say 'god-damn'. The Griffith Observatory in 'Rebel Without a Cause' brought back fond memories. That Zeiss Projector was really cool. What would Dr. Edwin Krupp say? I once had a nice chat with him. Perhaps all of us are 'Rebels Without a Clue'. All 33.33% of us? BTW, who shot Bugsy Siegel, and why? That's it. I've had enough, and I'm not going to take this anymore. I'm cracking-up and nobody can stop me! Don't forget to bring a Darth Vader Balloon when you come to visit me in the Institution for the Emotionally Challenged...

Here are a couple of posts from the Thuban Q&A, by Abraxasinas, on Avalon 1 which remain a bit puzzling to me. Could someone please help me out here?

Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here)http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18900&page=59

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron:

Once again...thank-you abraxasinas for what you are doing. Proceed in your own way...and in your own time...to fully reveal to us who you really are...and what you have really done...throughout Universal History. I think I have a pretty good idea...but I'm not talking! I'd only be guessing anyway. I'm going through this entire thread (slowly)...and I'm amazed. You are a very special individual. Much love and gratitude! Namaste abraxasinas.

Reply by Abraxasinas:

So are you orthodoxy, so are you.
Once you know how special you are, you will understand.
The Council thanks you soo much of presenting the CURIOUS and INQUISITIVE nature of the Prime Creator himself.

We love you very much dear friend of the council.

May I suggst to you to read the messages from the newest to the oldest?

Your quest to understand would be greatly accelerated.
You see out of the chaos emerges the order!

So the later posts will exhibit more order and simplicity, than the earlier ones.

Have you eaten your dragon yet?

Once you have done so, you shall enter the council - #1451. (See Post #1451 Below)

Love the Sirebard of the Hissing Om.

Post #1451:

Originally Posted by jcocks:

holy carp this thread is so complex it's making my head spin  All very interesting though.

I find it interesting that you're going on so much about dragons.... but I think maybe the wrong terminology is being used?

Welcome in the DragonCave dear Joel!

You have come here at a shining time in the history of the humanity. Here onto the Mount of Olives labeled Avalon.
The happening of the last daynight cycle or so have lifted a great burden from the hearts of all humans.
And I love your signature connecting Sirius to Egypt and the power of the Uraeus in the Ankh of Hathor.

I am allowed to relax a little from now on and become a little more colloquial.
This is because I have fulfilled my 'Office of the Bard' and with the help of my Dragon Slayer friends Richard and Celine; I could force the cracking and opening up of the Mirror of the Illusion.
This abomination had kept the human mind in bondage since the dawn of the human mastertemplate, destined since the birth of the universe to help the exiled creator without to prepare to meet his homecoming queen Gaia, the Beautiful New Mother of the Universe.

As you may know this is the FatherEarth Geb and MotherSky Nut as a 3nd order externally polarised archetype emerging from its 2nd order internally polarised archetype labeled as FatherSky Shu and MotherEarth Tefnut in the Egyptian legends.
The 1st order archetype was the non-polarised archetype of RahaR requiring bifurcation into a True-False dichotomy of Rah-Apep and as the Light separating from the Darkness.

So perusing my malletzky post may show you why the Dragon archetype HAD TO BE USED to expose the EVIL=LIVE of Apep to be the LIVE HAR, HAR being the Mirror of Hathor of the Occuli Tauri.

See, the dragon is a mythical being.... But the more I think of it, the more I think there's a definite link with Alpha Draconis (the dragon star)... The myth originates perhaps from the contact we had at some stage in the past with beings (most likely reptilian) from that place (the dracons).

This myth became reality with the Red Dragonstar Thuban manifesting on January 18th, 2010 and AS the fulfilment of the archetype of the Nibiru and the Nemesis. Albeit this was simultaneous with the arrival of the Skyblue Dragonstar Kachina, the Star of Hope and fulfilling Hopi prophecy.

And the Dragons are here, they have arrived and have begun to confront all humans as their invisible mirror images reflecting their fears about their unseen images back to them.

The Dragons are here to be EATEN in the cosmic eucharist of the second coming; waiting to be eaten by the humans who have the stomach and the guts to do so as the Heavenly MANNA of the selfhood christenings.

Aye the works of God sometimes proceed in mysterious ways and divers methods, do they not.

(7) Jesus said : "Fortunate is the lion which the man eats so that the lion becomes a man ; and cursed is the man whom the lion eats so that the man becomes a lion."

The Lion of Judah of Revelation.5.5 is the Skyblue BabyDragon of the second coming and its fake image is Yaldabaoth of the gnostic lores (Secret Book or Apocryphon of John of the Nag Hammadi Codex).
Yaldabaoth is the Lionhead with the Serpent's Tail as a 1st order archetype for falseness and the true-false dichotomy required redefinition.
Yaldabaoth is the Old Testament God and its aliases in mirror image to the I AM THAT I AM in distortion I AM THAT AM I of Exodus.3.14. in the Fire of the Burning Bush of Moses.

We tend to think of these beings as evil - but this is not entirely the case. They are *-much much much -* older than us, and extremely noble and wise... I feel that they existed BEFORE the humanoid body-type existed.... So they are unimaginably old. We can learn a lot from them, but first we must accept them and allow them to teach us what they know. This takes real courage, as they feel as old as they are (which is scary in itself), and they look scary...so the natural reaction to them is fear, we have to get beyond that fear.

Indeed this is the explicate Story of the Dragons. You dear Joel now have become privvy to the implicate Story of the Dragons.

I don't know, maybe I'm wrong...but I think this talk of destroying the dragons and dragons (dracons) being evil is leading us so far down the garden path that it's almost dangerous. What we need to be doing is taking that energy within ourselves and integrating it to become whole (don't forget that we have a "reptilian" brain within our own).... When you work against anything you are working against the natural flow of energy. You are much better off to gently guide that energy in the right direction - much in the same way that it's easier to change the points to redirect a train from danger than it is to stop it head-on.

You have spoken like Ophiuchus, the SerpentTamer and unifying 13th starsign of the mazzaroth here dear Azarus Ankh'aa.

Also, Abraxisinas (I hope I got the name right  ).... Yuo DO seem to have a lot of knowledge.... I was wondering if you might have heard of the "golden universe"? I have been told I come from there. I have a feeling it's a non-physical universe.... but was hoping you could shine some more light on the subject? I'm still trying to work out what my soul purpose is and why I'm here....

Indeed you come from the Golden Universe. It is the Thuban Universe the Dragonspacetime of the Omniverse in the 10-11-12 dimension triad. When one thinks like a dragon, feels like a dragon and speaks like a dragon, then the probability is high that one is a dragon as an invisible image of a human seen in an invisible mirror.

Oh, and we do all realise that the kundalini energy within us all is represented by a coiled serpent? So it seems sort of silly to be destroying serpents et al when we have the serpent energy within us all?

All this Dragontalk again. Dont speak too loud or the Humans will wake up to themselves and begin to eat us.
But well, that is the masterplan anyway.

Anyway, these are just my thoughts... I'm only a student in the universe at this moment, I don't have all the answers and I don't want to attack anyone, just putting my input into the discussion for everyone to see. We've got to stop fighting and start learning from each other.... we're not going to get anywhere otherwise...

I am
eternally with you in the light

Azarus Ankh'aa / Joel Cocks

Reply by Abraxasinas:

You assuredly are dear Dragon Brother.

DragonLove and the Shalom of the Dragonheart.

SS---HISSSING as the OM of the Creation!


Here are a selection of Abraxas Gems, amulets and seals. In most cases we find the classic depiction of Abraxas, with a roosters head, man's torso and snakes for legs. Also of note is that in almost all these examples, we can see the three letters 'I', 'A' and 'W' spelt out either as a word i.e. IAW and WAI, or else positioned separately on the shield carried by Abraxas and also more widely around the figure. One of the reasons for the juxtaposition of these three letters derives from an ancient Jewish/Egyption God name 'IAO', which is pronounced 'iaho'. The common expression for God, 'Jah' is thought to derive from IAO. The variant of IAO, i.e. IAW also has another meaning. The greek letters, 'I' Iota, 'A' Alpha and 'W' Omega, can be interpreted as 'I am the Alpha and the Omega' or another way of saying GOD.

Abraxas http://www.iawwai.com/Abraxas.htm

Abraxas is the name given by some of the early Gnostic Christians to denote the embodied form of God. In the language of the Gnosticism, God in the true sense is called the 'Pleroma', which means fullness. So Pleroma would correspond with Brahman in Hinduism, Ein Sof in Jewish Kabbalah and the Tao of Taoism etc. All these terms are referring to God in the unknowable sense, the God is beyond concept and beyond imagining. The God that is the source of all being and the ground of all existence, so God in the true meaning of the word. Now, if God were to manifest in the temporal realm then we will have something that we can conceptualize and label. For the Gnostics the label for this phenomenon was Abraxas.

The origins of the God Abraxas are mysterious though it is believed the concept existed in ancient Egypt. It is thought that Abraxas was then adopted by Jewish mystics and then later by the Gnostic Christians. So Abraxas has a long history in the esoteric circles of the Mediterranean and near East.

Abraxas is a conception of God that incorporates both Good and Evil in one entity. So in Gnostic terms he is both God and Demiurge. He represents a mono-theistic God but at the same time he is quite different from the omni-benevolent God found in later Christianity. In his depiction he has a Roosters head, a mans torso and two snakes for legs. Also he is often shown carrying a shield and a whip. The shield represents protective wisdom and the whip driving power. The roosters head symbolizes wakeful vigilance and the announcement of a new dawn. The snakes may be considered symbolic of the Goddess, it is an animal closely associated with Isis and Demeter, two important conceptions of the Goddess in antiquity. Also the snake in India represents the Shakti or female energy which is thought of as a sleeping serpent lying dormant within all of us. In this way Abraxas would truly be a juxtaposition of the fundamental polar opposites of Female and Male and as described earlier the combining of Good and Evil.

The image of Abraxas was often used to decorate good luck charms, seals and amulets in antiquity. These ancient Abraxas artifacts were quite common and many still exist today in museums and private collections. Later on in history, the order of the Knights Templar put the image of Abraxas on their most important seals which was used to bind the most secret documents.

In modern times the concept and name of Abraxas will come up from time to time. In an indirect manner, the word 'abracadabra' is believed to derive from the Abraxas. In the world of psycho-analysis the renowned Carl Gustav Jung showed an interest in Abraxas and wrote a work called 'The seven sermons of the dead', and attributed it to an ancient Gnostic sage called Basilides of Alexandria, who was a strong proponent of Abraxas. The Nobel prize winning novelist Herman Hesse uses Abraxas in his novel Demian, which explores the themes of good and evil. And the popular jazz guitarist Carlos Santana called an album Abraxas in the 70s.

Last but not least, Abraxas is believed by some to be one of the many God names of Freemasonry, that are slowly introduced to higher grade Freemasons as they progress up the ranks and hidden grades of the secret society. It is believed that at the heart of Freemasonry is a conception of God which encompasses Good and Evil. On one level Freemasons refer to God as GOATU or the Grand Architect of the Universe. On a deeper level another Masonic epithet for God is Jahbulon, which is a word drived from the God names 'Jah', 'Baal' and 'Osiris'. Jahbulon is thought to represent a divine amalgam of light and dark in a way not so dissimilar from the idea of Abraxas.

So Abraxas is a historical relic, good luck charm, cultural symbol and an interesting conception of God. If the true and genuine spiritual revival of present times can be seen as a return to Gnosticism and Pagan ideas, then perhaps Abraxas can provide us with a definition of God for the future. It will be as if Abraxas far from being a forgotten idea of the past was really a powerful and correct interpretation of God, waiting for the right moment to emerge and become more widely known again.

Is this thread too superficial? Is it too deep? Too abstract? Too frightening? Too repetitious? Too true? Too much BS? Why will no one talk to me? Is this sort of an 'I'm ignoring you - la, la, la, la, la - I can't hear you!' game? Do you all know something about me that I don't know about myself? Are you all keeping your distance, and waiting for the inevitable crash, as I challenge the Gods of Eden? I'm sure I have friends behind me! Way behind me! I feel so loved! I feel so bored! So, I'm going to watch the entire fifth series of Dr. Who. Who? Anu? Hugh? Is this a most dangerous game, where the first one who can view the truth with absolute clarity, and be completely alone without going insane - wins? Hmmmmmmm...

I like listening to Alex Jones. He provides important forbidden information, with enthusiasm. I need this. I try to internalize a lot of what he presents, and then I try to find innovative solutions. He is twice as smart as I am, and has ten times the courage. I need a lot of what he has. I feel very inadequate when I listen to Alex. Still, I worry about possible social unrest, in connection with the Patriot Movement and the Truth Movement. I think this thing MUST remain a cold-infowar. There should be NO violence whatsoever. I continue to think that the bad guys and gals will try to pick a fight with the good guys and gals. I am NOT an anarchist. I endorse and support Law and Order. I think that BOTH the Old World Order and the New World Order were and are LAWLESS AND CORRUPT. I continue to endorse and support Solar System Governance based upon Responsibility and the U.S. Constitution. This wouldn't make everyone happy, but it might help us to survive and thrive as a united and free human race. We shall overcome. I continue to think that studying the 'Federalist Papers' and the 'Four Gospels' while listening to Latin Masses and Sacred Classical Music is a very interesting and beneficial combination. Try doing this, and tell me what you think. Unfortunately, this is not a sensational approach, so it probably has zero mass-appeal. We seem to need to be angered, scared, and entertained to achieve any interest or motion. This is very sad. I'm upset with BOTH the PTB and the Sheeple. The whole thing stinks from top to bottom. All of us should be ashamed. I'm not going to tell you what you want to hear, and I don't care if you don't like that.

I really do try to be as clear as possible. Which writer should I emulate? I continue to practice Kaizen - or continual improvement. I think I probably speculate too much, and I don't just reflect the thoughts of others. I think my ideas are so out-there, that they don't seem to be succint, no matter how succint I make things. I think my ideas are too upsetting, so it's easier to just not deal with them. Ignorance is bliss. What I'm presenting takes a helluva lot of work to really master. I keep begging for help, but none ever seems to materialize. I could really make all of this incredibly complex and footnoted. If I got into an ongoing debate with the best and the brightest, things would get VERY complex and scholarly. This could only occur online. In a live debate, I would be a bumbling idiot. The debate would be over in the first five minutes. No joke.

Here is a compilation of your questions, Floyd:

Well. How about stating the 5 priciples of the Namaste Solar System Constitution one by one, or more if there are more of them. Why should you have to emulate anyone Oxy? What are the hopes and pitfalls for this planet and its myriad creatures?

What do you feel are the most vital things humanity should be dealing with at this time? What should we change? What should we aspire to do with our lives? Can this make a difference?

Birth Control to a sustainable level on surface. How would you envisage to carry out a model to deal with this. Reincarnate leading members of the SS?

Im fascinated by your focus on the focus that the US Constituition should be a model. Especially that the US is now a major catastrophe waiting to happen.

Oxy..im a bit of a sad transport buff so like your last point.
I strongly suggest you read Angels of the cosmos by Masao Murata. Its little known in the west but he goes into the details of the transportation systems of some of the planets in our solar system. You will love it.

http://www.byakkopress.ne.jp/1/en/4892141518/4892141518.html -- only $15.. a good read mate.

Why is America such a mess?
It lives by its constitution. It has failed and is many ways no better than the systems it maligns.
I would not like to live in a namaste constition based on such a decree that could, and indeed has done, gone awry in in almost every way you can possibly imagine. Can you think of something better mate? Im sure you can.

Shall we not write a new constition? Above and beyond what the powers that be have ordained. A Novel guidline that is almost anarchistic insomuch that it is the sum total of the minds of those who wish to live in a free world not be stymied by those who know best? Yet that it retains a semblance of order. Something we can write ourselves via our consciousness that over-rides the stale and increasingly meaningless word of the mason and the politician or the priest.

Waddaya say..lets throw the rule book out?

Here is my response:

I purchased 'Angels of the Cosmos' some time ago, after you recommended it, but I haven't read it yet! I'll have to squeeze it in with Albert Schweitzer, Ralph Ellis, and Gerald Massey!

The Secret Government, the United Nations, Babylon's Banksters, and the Vatican seem to supercede the legitimate and visible United States Government - based upon the U.S. Constitution - as a Constitutional Representative Republic. This system is not operating free and clear. It is highly infiltrated and subverted. It's sort of like driving your Chevy without oil, and blaming General Motors when the engine seizes-up.

Population Reduction on Earth would occur through Responsible Reproduction and the Colonization of the Solar System. The total solar system population would be eight billion, which would actually be a population increase of over one billion people. I haven't dealt with other than human population reduction! Not yet!

RESPONSIBILITY IS THE KEY TO EVERYTHING. This word should be heavily promoted throughout the solar system - to mammalian and reptilian humanoids alike! This is the legitimate path to long-term freedom. Without responsibility, everything I desire for myself and everyone else, will fail.

The Five Foundational Principles of a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System are as follows:

1. Namaste. Reverencing the Divinity Within Humanity. Loving Neighbor as Self. Treating Others as We Wish to Be Treated. Seeing Christ (or equivalent) in All Persons.

2. Constitutional Representative Republic Governance. Not a Mob-Rule Democracy. The Presence of Pre-Existing God-Given Rights. A Time Proven Constitution with Over 200 Years of Continuous Use - With Which We Have a Huge Amount of Experience - Rather than an Unproven Pipe-Dream.

3. Responsibility. We the People are the Government, and if we wish to have an Enlightened Representative Republic, We MUST be responsible. If the 10,000 proposed Representatives of the United States of the Solar System are Ignorant and Irresponsible, the whole thing will fall apart. Responsibility is really Love with Substance and Action. It implies a high degree of ethical behavior and balanced psychology.

4. Freedom. This can mean innovation and independance. It can also mean anarchy and confusion. Freedom must be disciplined and responsible or it will descend into anarchy, which will end in tyranny. Free-Standing Freedom is a Lie. Responsible Freedom is the only Honest, Legitimate, and Long-Lasting Freedom. Freedom also implies Constructive Competition and Responsible Free Enterprise. Eliminating money and competition are not things which I desire. Money is an expression of Freedom.

5. United States. The Solar System would consist of Hundreds of States, Under the U.S. Constitution, in sort of a Solar System United Nations. The Secret Government and the United Nations would become obsolete. The Member States would exercise Responsible Political and Religious Freedom. There could potentially be Socialist or Communist States. Atheism, Agnosticism, and Satanism would be protected. BOTH Politics and Religion would be debated within the Congress and Senate of the United States of the Solar System - but this would relate to overall Solar System Governance - rather than to the micromanagement of Member States.

Once again, consider studying 'The Federalist Papers', 'The Anti-Federalist Papers', and 'The Teachings of Jesus' while listening to Latin Masses and Sacred Classical Music. This would be an excellent place to begin contemplating Solar System Governance, but this is just a starting point, and it is just scratching the surface. Not everyone will choose this approach, but I have found it useful. Again, both church and state should be taken into consideration when planning a New Solar System to replace the Old World Order and the New World Order.


I'm just a commoner who grew-up on the wrong side of the tracks, but I do the best I can. Ave Maria was beautiful. Sometimes piano and voice are difficult to beat. I often prefer a capella. Solo viola or cello rock! Organ, orchestra, and choir seem to work best in a reverberant cathedral environment. I wished to feature music which is often overlooked by the general public, and which is admittedly an acquired taste - sort of like a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System. But different strokes for different folks. Everyone is different, thank God. I'll be looking forward to correcting and improving my database. Kaizen, Namaste, and Geronimo! These three, but the greatest of these is Namaste!

Another thing. I'm reading 'Hitler's Pope' by John Cornwell, but I'm really not looking for dirt. I'm trying to place myself in the shoes of Ellen White, Nicola Tesla, Victor Schauberger, Albert Schweitzer, Charles Marie Widor, Eugenio Pacelli, Adolph Hitler, Osiris, Isis, Ra, and Horus - believe it or not! What strange bedfellows! The period separating Vatican I and Vatican II (1870-1962) is extremely interesting to me! Again, I am especially interested in the Nazi<>Gizeh-Intelligence<>Vatican relationship, as it relates to the Old World Order, the New World Order, the Kingdom of God, and the Second Coming of Christ. I think this thing is messier and more complex than we can possibly imagine. I'm trying to learn from this period, so that we don't make the same mistakes over and over and over again. Who knows? I might've reincarnationally been one of my persons of interest...

One more thing. I'm idealistic, and I'm trying to look on the bright-side of solar system governance. But I suspect that the reality is a royal pain in the @$$. One might want to be involved in it, but I suspect that it might get old in a hurry. I suspect thousands or millions of years of arguing and fighting. There's probably no neat and easy way to manage the insanity. I suspect that things could get out of hand very easily and quickly. I'm really dealing with this subject because I'm hurt, disillusioned, and very scared. I doubt that things will be resolved anytime soon. I think life might be difficult indefinitely. I'm simply looking for more sane ways to manage the insanity, without becoming delusionally-arrogant, reprehensibly-corrupt, or violently-insane. I continue to like the word-combination 'Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System' regardless of how this might finally get implemented. Once again, try working outward from these very few words. This is not a case-study in sectarianism or micro-management. This is mostly intended to make YOU think, and to arrive at your OWN conclusions. I really want to stop doing this, but I don't know how. Stop the Solar System. I Want to Get Off. But Where Would I Go? I'm Sure Some of You Would Be More Than Happy to Tell Me Where to Go. What Would Raven Say?

I really hate to say this, but the best aspects of Osiris, Isis, Ra, Horus, the Old World Order, and the New World Order might have to be incorporated into a United States of the Solar System. I think that just about everyone and everything are a mixture of good and evil, and we need to positively reinforce the good. I don't wish to stir things up. I wish to resolve things. I bring peace, and not a sword. If I were involved in solar system governance, I'd probably live in a 300-600 sq. ft. apartment/office with an entry-level Cray computer, and keep doing what I'm doing, but in a more refined and sophisticated manner. Then I'd probably travel around the solar system a couple of times a year, just to keep in direct touch with everyone. I think that would be about it. I'd probably watch a lot of science fiction. Speaking of which, now I'm going to watch another episode of Dr. Who.


Who are the 100 most important individuals in the solar system? (Human or Otherwise) What are the 100 most important countries, companies, or organizations in the solar system? (Human or Otherwise) What are the 100 most important documents in the solar system? (Human or Otherwise) Should these questions be at the core of Solar System Studies and Governance? Does fame, fortune, and power overpower goodness, truth, and doing the right thing? Should the United States of the Solar System be run like a corporation? Do the richest and most powerful individuals and companies really rule the solar system? It's not just about making the right decisions and doing the right thing, now is it? Would my pipe-dream be controlled and manipulated from the shadows, just like the United States and the United Nations is presently? The really good people are often not very good at throwing their weight around, are they? The qualities required to gain power really aren't the best qualities for governing the masses, are they? Would 10,000 Representatives of the United States of the Solar System really wield the ultimate power in the solar system if they were a bunch of poor people? Should the wealth of companies and individuals be limited? Is 'too big to fail' really too big? At what point does wealth become anti-competitive? The best ways to gain fame, fortune, and power are often not the best of ways, now are they?

The Roman Catholic Church gets criticized for being a big, corrupt business, but would they be the geopolitical powerhouse that they are if they didn't run the church like the big business that it is? Think about it. I don't necessarily have a problem with a church or a government being run as a big fricken business. What I object to is corruption, evil, violence, creepiness, everything bad, and that which is ultimately not in everyone's best interest. Perhaps the 10,000 Representatives of the United States of the Solar System should be made the most powerful CEO's in the solar system for the duration of their terms in the United States of the Solar System, Inc. I really don't know. Will the corrupt always rule the stupid, no matter how we set up solar system governance? Think about it. Just for the conceptual hell of it, imagine a Vatican-Based Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System as an Amalgamation of Church, State, and Business - but completely transparent, non-corrupt, and ultimately in everyone's best interest. I think this is an important mental exercise. It's easy to conceptualize sanctimonious models of church, state, and business - but how do things REALLY work in this god-forsaken solar system?????!!!!! How does one combine idealism with pragmatism? Perhaps we need 10,000 worldly-wise solar system representatives who fully understand the good, the bad, and the ugly - yet always do that which is ultimately in everyone's best interest. Do 10,000 righteous potential representatives even exist within this solar system? Sometimes I really wonder...

I keep thinking about the 1955 movie 'East of Eden'. I keep thinking of Adam, Aaron, Kate, and Cal as being Osiris, Horus, Isis, and Ra. I keep thinking that Kate/Isis and Cal/Ra have been running this solar system for thousands of years, in a rather corrupt and violent manner. But would things have been better if Adam/Osiris and Aaron/Horus had been running things in this neck of the woods? I rather liked the Sheriff in 'East of Eden'. He seemed quite wise to me. Perhaps a composite of these five would be optimal regarding solar system governance. I might've gotten some of the names wrong, but do you get my point? The Righteous vs The Rebellious really doesn't cut it. Not in my book. I might be a completely ignorant fool, but some of you had better think long and hard about what I have said in this thread. The Secret Government undoubtedly controls church, state, and business - so why shouldn't the Visible Government control church, state, business, and the secret government? Because the Secret Government Hates Competition. That's Why. But will there ALWAYS be a secret government? Is solar system governance just a big shell-game of monopoly, complete with funny-money??? One more time. THE WHOLE THING STINKS FROM TOP TO BOTTOM. Several months ago, I met someone who sounded like Kate, and they seemed to be very bitter towards me, even though I had done them no wrong. Not that I knew of anyway. They were carrying two bottles of wine. Think about it. I also met someone who reminded me of Cal. He was quite friendly, but still quite bitter. You don't suppose? I scare myself sometimes. THERE REALLY ISN'T A HAPPY ENDING TO THIS MADNESS, IS THERE?

The crafty bad guys and gals might get overthrown by the righteous good guys and gals. But then the good guys and gals might become corrupted, and fight with each other, and really screw things up. Then the bad guys and gals would probably laugh their @$$ses off, and regain control of the solar system, and never ever let it go. Something to look forward to. Now I'm going to try to cheer myself up by reading 'Hitler's Pope', 'The Quest of the Historical Jesus', and 'The Historical Jesus and the Mythical Christ'. I might even read 'A Myth of Innocence' or 'Family of Secrets'. Or perhaps 'Soldiers of Reason' or 'Behold a Pale Horse'. No, I think I'll just brew a pot of coffee, and read 'Windswept House'. I'd read 'Hostage to the Devil', but I don't wish to become more possessed or harassed than I already am. You don't much like straight-talk, do you? Well, just keep believing and teaching the lies - and everything will work out just fine - just like they have for thousands of years. Perhaps there has never been a government in the history of the universe which was non-corrupt and non-violent for any significant length of time. I sort of like the idea of utilizing the Best of the Old World Order and the Best of the New World Order in the New Solar System. This would include the best ideas and the best staff. Why reinvent the wheel? Just true it up, and properly maintain it. Perhaps as much as possible in the existing solar system government should remain intact. It is undoubtedly a very clever apparatus of covert rule. BTW, I need to re-read 'Rule by Secrecy'. How do you keep highly competent and highly ethical individuals at the center of solar system governance? Am I dreaming the impossible dream? Am I so heavenly-minded that I can never, ever be of any significant earthly good? Does this solar system deserve to be ruled by a Kate and a Cal, because we're too goddamn stupid and unstable to rule ourselves????? I'd love to have a completely cordial and honest heart to heart 12 hour meeting with the 100 most powerful and influential individuals in the solar system - human and otherwise - mostly to ask questions and listen. They might be cordial, but would they really be honest? Probably not, but I'd still like to place this on the 'to do list'. The more I think about solar system governance, the more I feel like I'm morphing into Anna (in 'V'). Isn't that a strange thing to say? Wouldn't everyone just die laughing if I turned out to be an ancient reptilian queen? But, at this point, NOTHING would surprise me. Not even that. Now, if you'll excuse me, my coffee is ready, and I'm going to go into the livingroom, read my book, drink my coffee, and have yet another nervous-breakdown...  


The following continues to haunt me, nearly every day. As I attempt to solve my personal problems and the solar system problems - the increasing problems keep outnumbering the solutions. I really don't seem to be making much progress. I see people who don't care about any of this mess - continue to be much happier and better organized (self-governed) than I am. Does self governance involve looking the other way - and pretending that none of the glaring problems really exist? There's no problem? Everything is fine? Let the people with letters after their names, and who have top-level clearances, take care of everything important? When a little-guy like me attempts to deal with big issues - is that a threat to galactic security? It feels like it, most of the time. There seems to be more resentment than appreciation in all of this. I don't even really speak my mind - and I try to have a huge amount of pastoral concern - but still I feel as though I am literally living in another solar system. I don't even want to think about what would happen if I really spoke up. I continue to believe that I am being subjected to constant spiritual oppression - and that as long as I buck the system - this will continue. I could merely be delusional. deranged, and neurotic - but I really do feel supernaturally attacked. I really don't think I'll be around much longer - and I almost hope that I'm right. It feels as though the REALLY powerful powers that be - do not wish for the Human Race to succeed. The rebellion MUST be put down? We're not told anything - but yet we are made to feel guilty about everything. What the hell is going on??? Like Elvis - I would like to have a single day of peace. Just one.

orthodoxymoron wrote:

Anchor wrote:Solar governance?

Gotta learn to walk before running.....

Self governance would be a start!

I guess I'm sold on a solar system view - as opposed to a world view. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pfwY2TNehw I'm just trying to identify with those who run the City States, United Nations, Underground Bases, Secret Space Program, and Secret Government - as sort of a silent and uninvited insider observer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IvPIWzQcUY I really don't wish to fight with these people - even though I do wish to change just about everything connected with these institutions and activities. Think Galactically. Act Locally. The Queen of Heaven is presently a person or being of interest to me - in both positive and negative ways. Perhaps it is productive to think big and small - simultaneously. I'm really just trying to understand the power structure in this solar system. I think power is way over-rated - but that it is still important to understand how it works. I once told someone that God had a lousy job - but that someone had to do it. They looked at me like I was crazy. I was crazy - and I am crazy. I can't even run my own life - so I'll be damned if I'll try to run anyone elses life. We've only just begun. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvBCl3CBMXA It just might be morning in the solar system.

All of this research, thinking, and posting is scaring the hell out of me. I'm interested in the subject - but I think I'm in way over my head - and I'm not really sure what to do at this point. I'd like to stop completely - but the subject is really too important to ignore. How 'bout we forget about the problems of the solar system - and go space truckin in a UFO? We could play Deep Purple and have cookies and wine! We could bring a couple of Dracs and Greys along for company! I'm really not as retentive as I often seem to be!

orthodoxymoron wrote:

http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t7814-flat-earth
Is this thread a joke?? I certainly hope so!! Or -- are you all hinting-at what Earth will look-like following the Battle of Armageddon??

Seashore wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:

I'm going to treat your post as a serious one, rather than a humorous/satirical one.

Seashore wrote:This is from the e-book The Flat Earth Conspiracy by Eric Dubay, copyright 2014 . . .

From page 55:

Antarctica is not the tiny “ice-continent” found confined to the underside antipode of astronomer’s globes. Quite the contrary, Antarctica literally surrounds us 360 degrees, encircles every continent, and acts as a barrier holding in the oceans. The most commonly asked questions, and the greatest mysteries yet to be solved are: how far does the Antarctic ice extend outwards? Is there a limit? What lies beyond, or is it just snow and ice forever? Thanks to U.N. treaties and constant military surveillance, the North Pole and Antarctica remain cloaked in government secrecy, both purported “no-fly/no-sail” zones, with several reports of civilian pilots and captains being shooed away and escorted back under threat of violence.

I swear that when I spoke privately with the stepmother of a very famous Hollywood sci-fi director in the late 1980's regarding a high-tech Life of Christ movie (based upon The Desire of Ages ) -- I was thinking in terms of that which I've presented (and hinted-at) within this website. It really takes a combination of the videos, images, quoted-material, forum-member comments, and my own words -- to properly communicate that which I conceptualize. The problem is that nobody gives a damn -- or even attempts to understand my threads. I just finished attending a writing class -- and I still have no idea how to write a book -- even though I write each and every day. I have repeatedly requested advice and assistance within this website for years (especially regarding certain Insiders properly answering my many questions) -- without responses. I'm really leaning toward finishing my re-posting project -- and then doing absolutely nothing for the rest of my life (regarding the topics under review) -- other than watching things play-out. I don't think I can properly communicate that which I visualize -- so why bother?? I do not wish to play the part of "Super-Salesman for a Utopian-Future" -- especially when I don't know the full-story regarding Ancient-Verdicts and Modern-Conspiracies. Besides -- the Roman-Empire has had things under control for thousands of years -- so why buck the system?? Perhaps I will join the Masons and go back to church. It might be easier that way. Perhaps then I might even be able to work with Ancient Egyptian Deities -- regardless of how much water (or bullshit) has gone under the damn bridge. I know that Those in the Know -- know about me and this thread. Don't ever say "I wish I'd known" or "nobody told us" or "how were we supposed to know?!" The Ancient Egyptian Deity told me "The Human-Race is Screwed!" They didn't elaborate -- and I was afraid to ask. Besides -- the AED usually refused to answer my questions -- or gave answers which were somewhat 'mealy-mouthed'. Sorry -- but that was my impression. I liked them (in one sense) because I perceived that they were either an Insider (or were somewhat representative of the Insider-Perspective -- or should I say "The Regressive Perspective")?! But I also perceived that they Hated Me -- and that they were Quite Sinister. They hinted (not so subtly) that we had a history going way, way, way, way back. I asked them if they were God (after they said they didn't have to sleep -- and that they were "Angry and Jealous")?! They replied "No -- but I am very close to God." True Story.

Once again, how do we REALLY know ANYTHING for certain -- especially regarding Antiquity and the Otherworldly???? Just about anything can be faked or misrepresented. Do I have to endorse the Whole Bible -- or can I pick and choose?? Was whoever wrote the Bible FORCED to write it in a certain way??? Once again, I think the Bible should be studied rather than quoted. I have HUGE problems with a lot of the Biblical Logic and Ethics BUT how can I know what the original intent was?? How can I know if there have been re-writes and huge sections removed or added??? I continue to represent this thread as being a mental and spiritual exercise in a science-fiction context. I've talked to some VERY interesting individuals -- yet I am NOT an insider. I have NOT involved myself in ANYTHING creepy -- nor will I EVER do so. I'll continue to be neutral -- in a very discerning manner. I frankly don't know which way to jump -- so I'm NOT going to jump. Consider this clip from The Last Temptation of Christ concerning Paul. The movie admits at the beginning, that it is NOT based upon the Gospels, and that it illustrates a spiritual conflict between the body and the soul -- yet might there be some insider information revealed?? Some call the Apostle Paul the 'Apostate Paul'. I love the logic, rhetoric, and writing-style of Paul -- yet he seems to be spearheading a New Religion which is VERY different than what Christ taught (at least according to the Red-Letters of the Gospels). I lean strongly toward these Red-Letters -- yet there are Hard-Sayings -- and the skeptics are quite articulate and convincing. I keep wondering if the Whole Bible might be a Parable -- set in Ancient Egypt -- featuring various aspects (or incarnations?) of One Particular Soul??!! I continue to think that meeting privately with Vatican and London Theologians and Egyptologists would completely blow most of us out of the water!! I KNOW that I do NOT Know!! I am merely providing all of you with a study-guide -- and attempting to demonstrate that I MIGHT be capable of interacting constructively with those who might be at the Center of Things. I am NOT on a Crusade of Any Kind -- and I am about to go completely Incognito. I'll primarily be thinking about this thread -- but who knows what I'll REALLY be thinking about??!! The Shadow might not even know!!


Regarding the 'Declaration of Human Sovereignty' which is an integral part of the previous post, what if most everyone (human and otherwise) in this solar system is part of the Orion Group? What if all of us have the same type of soul? What if all of our souls are Inter-Dimensional Reptilian in nature? Who would be declaring their sovereignty from whom? Would Reptilian Humanoids and Reptilian / Mammalian Hybrids be considered to be extraterrestrials, even if they are of the same soul substance and origin as the Mammalian Humanoids (Us) in this solar system? Or, would the Mammalian Humanoids (Us) be classified as extraterrestrials, because we might've come from somewhere else on a soul-basis, and possibly physically as well? Who is really a Native-Terrestrial and who is an Alien-Extraterrestrial? I am mostly upset regarding the alleged thousands of years of 'Human-Abuse'. Read 'The God's of Eden' by William Bramley if you don't know what I'm talking about. Who should rightfully be here in this solar system? Who should have to leave? Who should be incarcerated? Who should be exterminated (body or soul)? I really don't like the last option. I am a strong proponent of Incarceration and Education, even if this might have to last indefinitely, for some really hard-core cases. See, I don't know the whole story, which isn't really fair. I can't make proper evaluations and judgments without the full story. And really, no one seems to want to talk to me, with a couple of exceptions. The most knowledgeable of these exceptions answered probably ten percent of my questions, and I detected that some of these answers were somewhat deceptive or incomplete in nature. I still don't know what to make of this exchange. It ended a long time ago, and I'm not sure exactly why. I was cordial, but somewhat detached and neutral. I asked a lot of questions, and I probably utilized about 10 percent of the answers in formulating probably five percent of my posts. I did a lot of reading between the lines, and a lot of speculating in these postings, as usual. I don't know what to do. I don't know what I'm supposed to be doing. I feel as though I am descending into some sort of a black hole, from which I fear there might be no escape. All is not well, to say the least. I just want the corrupt, violent, and creepy bullshit in this solar system to stop - whether it is perpetrated by mammalian humanoids or reptilian humanoids, or by any other humanoids, etherians, or whatever the hell they might be. The human race is obviously not an exhibit A of good behavior, but why is this? What are all of the factors which have contributed to this deplorable state of affairs? I keep hearing that some sort of enslavement, extermination, exodus, or bodily-transformation (genetic-upgrade away from male and female humanity?) is viewed by some as being a final-solution to the madness. I have made certain tentative proposals, but no real dialogue or debate has resulted. I often wish I had never tried to help, and I keep trying to stop, but I seem to be too deeply into this thing to get out. It's sort of like being in the Mafia. They never let you leave - alive. I don't wish to be isolationist or stand-offish regarding other than human civilizations, but I Want All Exploitive and Abusive Interactions to Stop NOW.

I continue to think that a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System should be thought of within the context of the Vatican, and deeply involved with Church, State, and Business activities throughout the solar system. But this is a very scary thing for me to contemplate, because of the potential abuses, and because of the possibility of civil unrest if too much controversial information floods the mass media and general public. I guess I want the existing secret governmental activities to be cleaned-up and made more public. If church, state, and business is not properly handled in a public and open manner, someone is going to be doing this clandestinely from the shadows, as is occurring presently. Think long and hard about the church, state, and business relationship. This is important. Perhaps the 10,000 representative figure is too many. But maybe it's too few. This is a big solar system, and if half of the planets and moons were colonized, there really would be hundreds of states in the United States of the Solar System. If there were 500 states, that would be an average of 20 representatives per state. Part of the idea is to have maybe 2,000 of the representatives in an actual physical location, such as St. Mary's Cathedral, the Crystal Cathedral, Mt. Weather, Camp David, the Vatican, Washington DC, UN Headquarters, the USSS Namaste, the Dark-Side of the Moon, or some other appropriate location. The remaining 8,000 representatives would be spread throughout the solar system. These would be PhD-equivalent representatives, with doctorate-level training in Solar System Studies and Governance. NOT a bunch of stupid nitwits. They would engage is numerous research projects and sub-committees. There would be 24/7 inter-planet-computer interaction. There would be numerous field-trips and visits. The large number of representatives would also be a safeguard against corruption. It would be harder to corrupt that many individuals. That's the theory anyway. Once again, I don't have a knee-jerk reaction against scales and tails, but I continue to hear horrific stories, especially regarding little children being enslaved, sacrificed and/or eaten. But this applies to both human and other than human perpetrators. I WANT ALL CHILD-ABUSE TO STOP NOW. I'd sure like to know what the CFR and Bilderberg types might think about this thread - both publicly and privately. I wonder if any of them have read any of this material? Probably not. What would David Rockefeller say? I still need to read his memoirs. I'll bet a couple of the younger elites have taken a peek, but that's probably about it.

I'm liking the idea of a PhD program in Solar System Studies and Governance at Ivy League Universities throughout the solar system. A PhD in Solar System Studies and Governance might be a prerequisite to becoming a United States of the Solar System Representative. Then, perhaps one would serve a five-year 'apprenticeship' in connection with the United States of the Solar System, followed by five years of teaching and research, at one of the Ivy League Universities, in the area of Solar System Studies and Governance. Then one might seek to become a United States of the Solar System Representative. This is just something to think about. This would be a pretty select group, but it would be based upon merit, rather than fame, fortune, power, and bloodlines. Upon retirement from the United States of the Solar System, one might reenter academia. Who knows?

I'm feeling incredibly drained, regarding what I have been dealing with over the past 18 months, or so. I feel as though I have failed in connection with all of this. Believe it or not, I feel as though I might've been able to prevent Fukushima, if I had done more, or if I had handled things differently. I continue to think that Fukushima was deliberately inflicted, and that this might've been the beginning of the end of the world. I have tried to be somewhat neutral regarding the Powers That Be - Terrestrial and Extraterrestrial - Human and Otherwise. But I still wished to press forward in a somewhat irreverent manner, regarding getting to the bottom of what was really going on in this solar system. Perhaps that was a mistake. I have chosen to seek the truth in a very passive and non-scholarly manner on this very small forum, and I have promised not to make a great big deal out of this. I have promised to not yell 'FIRE!!' in a crowded website or bookstore. This is a test. This is only a test. I really do think that the Old World Order and the New World Order should be replaced by a New Solar System, based upon a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System. I really do wish for things to work out well for all concerned, but I obviously don't know what has really been going on for thousands, or even millions, of years. I truly see through a glass darkly. I hope to meet some of the Galactic Powers That Be face to face, and know even as also I am known. But for now, I know in part, and I prophecy in part. Namaste to the Beings of the Universe.


As the Bilderberg Group is meeting in the Swiss Alps (lucky bastards!), I'd like to reiterate that I am not opposed to world government. I am not opposed to solar system government. But I am opposed to what has been going on regarding world and solar system governance - for thousands of years. They're not setting-up world government. It has existed for thousands of years. Perhaps I might've actually done a worse job in antiquity. I simply wish to see a change for the better at this critical time. I continue to think that the Bilderberg Group Members are merely high-profile minions of those who really run the world and solar system. I don't think they will be deciding how to rule the world. I think they will be deciding how to implement the orders they have received. I don't hate these people. I don't even hate those who are REALLY in control. I continue to think of myself as a silent partner of these individuals, but as one who has a very different editorial slant on how the world and solar system should be run. I'm not a Megaphone Man. http://www.prisonplanet.com/ I'm a Country Club Constitutionalist. I'm not waiting for the dreaded Anti-Christ. The Anti-Christ has been running things for thousands of years. This is just more of the same - only different.


What if Martin Luther had based the Protestant Reformation upon the Mass, the Teachings of Jesus, and Gregorian Chant? What if a significant number of Protestant and Catholic churches were based upon a prayer book or missal which integrated the Latin Mass, the Teachings of Jesus, and Gregorian Chant? Who might protest such a development? How about replacing the Ninety-Five Theses with the Three Theses? How about calling it 'Minimalist Traditionalist'?

Carol wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKwO1onXAaI&feature=player_embedded
Revealed; The Men Who Own and Run the U S Government

eMonkey wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29Y9NkHKjfw


Big Oil Controls the World - Interview with Greg Palast

magamud wrote:Never forget we are in a war of principalities not against flesh and blood.

The principle is the idea, the intention the quantum occult spark that produces the matrix.  So if we do not set our principle as caretakers of a planet we are intending something else.

A big con job the propagandist do is keeping man chasing for his Judas.  His flesh and blood identification of whose fault it is.  A sacrifice.  An effigy.  The trick is to get man to believe that evil has been resolved through the physicalized sacrifice.  When in actuality its about the principality of mans thinking.  They have us confused, backwards and addicted to old habits.

A big problem is this reference is not even aware of.  This leaves room for evil to dichotomize the morality of Big Oil, by giving it an Arena to fight it out with supported drama.  Evil just sits baks and lets man fight amongst themselves saving him the time to pick one.  

Were all looking for a sacrifices.

There's something cool about Old 100th being sung slowly -- in the old traditional Anglican style -- if you know what I mean. I used to love to improvise on Old 100th on fine pipe-organs in empty-churches. Once again, I am more of a traditionalist than you might think. I am also probably more of a liberal and a heretic than you might think. However, any liberalism or heresy arises from an honest conservatism which seeks to dig deeper and climb higher -- rather than a stiff and heartless conservatism -- or a brash and insensitive liberalism -- if you know what I mean. If I didn't hurt so much, I probably wouldn't say so much. I continue to feel supernaturally attacked -- and harassed by those who shouldn't know anything about this thread. Sometimes I feel like seeking some sort of a legal remedy -- or perhaps I should withdraw from all efforts to make things better. Perhaps THAT would actually make things better. Sometimes trying to make things better, actually makes things worse -- and with me, that might be the case. The end of August might be something to look forward to -- for all concerned. World Without End??????


Are we potentially facing a global societal meltdown, no matter what we do, right or wrong? I've really been worrying about this lately. Even if all the bad guys and gals got kicked-out and incarcerated overnight, and all of the laws, treaties, and policies were made-right, would a global societal train-wreck still occur? Think long and hard about this. I know what I'd like to see in an ideal solar system society, but I'm not really sure how to get there, at this point. So many things are out of balance or out of control. I guess that's why I keep thinking in terms of positively reinforcing the best of the past and the present. Then innovative new ideas can be introduced in an evolutionary manner, in the coming decades. I feel as though society is like an out of control car on an icy mountain road, which is sliding toward a 1,000 meter cliff. You don't want to crank the wheel or slam on the brakes. You keep your foot off the gas and the brakes, and very carefully try to steer away from the cliff. We seem to be at the edge of the cliff right now. I advocate a helluva lot more research than action right now. I keep trying to review this thread, and read new books, to try to adjust to the way things REALLY are, so as to be somewhat of a societal buffer when the excrement inevitably hits the air-conditioning system. I really desire a United States of the Solar System, but I'm a patient man. I think that promoting the concept of RESPONSIBILITY worldwide, is probably the most important thing we can do right now. I know that I've been toying with specific ideas and recommendations, but I'm really quite easy to work with, and I don't want to insist on my own way. I really wish to facilitate excellence in others, which is why I keep referring to this thread as a mental and spiritual gymnasium, rather than a specific set of marching orders. I'm really still trying to get my bearings. Even though I want to stop doing this, I'll probably just keep making these daily posts until they shut down the internet and take me away. I'm frankly expecting the worst, but I'm not doing a helluva lot to prepare for it. I really don't think there's anywhere to hide, so I'm not going anywhere. I think we've technologically bit-off more than we can chew. Perhaps new technology should have to pass a 'Long-Term Benefit to Society Test' before it can be implemented. What really worries me, is that the common-sense approach I have tried to take over the past couple of years seems to have fallen on deaf-ears. Very few wish to speak with me. I keep trying, and I keep being ignored. Perhaps I should just shut-up and enjoy the meltdown...

Can someone help me sort out the following?

1. Osiris / God the Father. (A Sirian King?)

2. Gabriel / Lilith / Isis / Hathor / Semiramis / Ishtar / Mary / et al. (A Reptilian Queen?)

3. Lucifer / Amen Ra. (A Mammalian / Reptilian Hybrid? (A former, or current, Reptilian Queen?)

4. Michael / Horus / Mithras / Jesus. (A former Reptilian Queen who became completely Human via the 'Incarnation' into 3D human physicality?)

Are Souls really Angels? Are Angels really Interdimensional Reptilians? Are Archangels really Reptilian Queens?

I keep sensing four distinct forces in this solar system. God the Father seems to be largely absent. Isis / Mary seems to be associated with the Old World Order. Lucifer / Amen Ra seems to be associated with the New World Order. Michael / Horus / Mithras / Jesus seems to be completely out of power - going back thousands of years. I might've gotten some of the names wrong, but I still sense these four individuals. I identify most closely with Michael / Horus / Mithras / Jesus - but I am gaining a better understanding of the other individuals. There might also be some overlap. I think this thing is a real mess. My attempts to deal with all of this are causing me a lot of emotional distress and intellectual confusion. A lot of this remains in the realm of science fiction. I'm doing a lot of composite imaging. I keep thinking that all was not well with God the Father, and that Isis took advantage of the situation, and stabbed Him in the back (figuratively or literally), and that Lucifer and Michael took orders from Isis, until Michael rebelled, and got himself crucified (possibly long before the traditional story). Isis and Ra seem to be antichrist (or in place of Christ). This whole thing seems like a Galactic Family Feud, which could involve a messy genetic hybridization program, involving mammalian and reptilian humanoids with inter-dimensional reptilian souls!!

Do you see why I think I'm cracking-up? The horror!! I think there are literally tens of thousands of people on this planet who know the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth - but they're mostly not talking. Probably most of these people are very closely watched, and many of them probably wear badges and work in underground bases. Just a hunch. I just have to keep using my imagination in all of this, and I have to be careful to limit my thoughts to doing what I'm doing on this thread. I frankly am trying to imagine what it might be like to be some sort of a solar system administrator, who mostly just watches, asks questions, and makes sure that a legitimate constitutional government remains intact and uncorrupted. You see, my life is so insignificant and boring, that I have to think big in order to liven things up! I'm sorry for all of the whining I have done in this thread. I'm also sorry for some of the images and language. I'm trying to be open and honest, and I am frankly very distressed and miserable, so a lot of this undignified internet behavior is catharsis, or something. My computer is acting very, very strangely, so I'm probably onto something. Or, maybe I'm just on something...


I live in a natural and scenic environment, and I do go for long, daily walks with my dog, in a very beautiful place. The problem is that I actually think about solving the world's problems while I am on these scenic walks. It only hurts when I think, and I don't intend to stop thinking. But perhaps I should stop being so honest. The truth is so overrated. Anyone who is anyone, seems to know how to smile, lie, and look the other way. I fear that many of the movers and shakers deal with the devil, or the equivalent. Some of them even sleep with the devil. I am attempting to face reality, and deal with it in an honest and rational manner. This seems to have been a mistake in so many ways, but I'm rather stubborn, so I'll probably just keep doing what I'm doing. I might even take this tempest in a teapot to the next level, whatever that is. I think the world will be stunned when they finally learn what's REALLY been going on for thousands of years. I don't know what Judgment-Day or Judgment-Decade will be like, but I don't think it's going to be fun. Is this thread too superficial? Is it too deep? Too abstract? Too frightening? Too repetitious? Too true? Too much BS? Why will no one talk to me? Is this sort of an 'I'm ignoring you - la, la, la, la, la - I can't hear you!' game? Do you all know something about me that I don't know about myself? Are you all keeping your distance, and waiting for the inevitable crash, as I challenge the Gods of Eden? I'm sure I have friends behind me! Way behind me! I feel so loved! I feel so bored! So, I'm going to watch the entire fifth series of Dr. Who. Who? Anu? Hugh? Is this a most dangerous game, where the first one who can view the truth with absolute clarity, and be completely alone without going insane - wins? Hmmmmmmm...

World War II, and the diabolical extermination camps? I think that the whole world government and advanced technology thing has been terribly mishandled. I don't know the details of the history of the world, but I just keep shaking my head, and wondering why things have been so corrupt and violent? I like the idea of organization, cooperation, technology, ceremony, discipline, etc, but I HATE persecution, torture, stealing, atrocities, murdering, enslavement, and extermination. I keep thinking that the Old World Order and the New World Order should be carefully studied, and that perhaps the best of both of them should be incorporated into a New Solar System aka the United States of the Solar System. I just want this solar system to be properly managed in a very shrewd, clever, and non-violent manner, which is ultimately in EVERYONE'S best interest. I desire a solar system partnership, where no one gets screwed, if that is possible. That's the idealistic intent. Obviously, the road to hell is paved with good intentions, and I remain quite naive. I freely admit to being a completely ignorant fool, but I am trying to get with it. I am trying to become more sophisticated regarding world and solar system governance. There is so much forbidden information on the internet. It's really too much to properly process. Again, I'm finding the best way to deal with all of this, is to imagine being one of those who are tasked with setting-up and managing a non-corrupt and non-violent New Solar System, replacing both the Old World Order and the New World Order. I don't intend to do this in a triumphalist-exultant manner. I really just wish to move on to bigger and better things, with the least amount of drama and fuss possible. Save the drama for your mamma. What's next?

I'm smart and stupid, simultaneously. I'm a genius and a retard, simultaneously. Then, add emotional instability and spiritual warfare to forbidden information and off the wall speculation, and things get nasty and messy in a hurry. It's a good thing that I know how to mostly keep quiet. I think that 'waking people up' should be done in a very calm, cool, and calculating manner - probably by the same media machine which has been keeping us in the dark for so many years. Again, I want the whole solar system governance thing to be managed properly, without being completely reinvented. I continue to like the hijacking idea, rather than the anarchy model. I think I could visit the nerve-center of solar system governance, and get along with everyone. I think I could go to Bilderberg, and get along with everyone. But I would probably disagree with them on most things. I'd even hang out with Dracs and Greys for a while, if I knew for certain that no harm would come to me. I hear that Henry Kissinger and the Bilderberg Group are having problems in St. Moritz, Switzerland. Go Swiss Parliamentarians! Alex is giddy! http://www.prisonplanet.com/ I like to listen to Alex, and then try to find ways to deal with all of the problems in a positive and constructive manner. Alex is very quick, and can deal with a lot new information with amazing skill. But really, if the Bilderbergers rule the world, one would think they could figure out how to have a completely secret meeting. I really think this meeting is a front, and that the real decision-making occurs under the polar icecaps or on the dark-side of the moon. Follow the Nazi phenomenon - before, during, and after World War II. Also, take a close look at Germany - beginning with the Protestant Reformation. This is not a negative reflection on the German people, but something very different seems to have been centered in Germany throughout the centuries. BOTH the Old World Order AND the New World Order need to be studied in a comparative manner. Are they really two sides of the same coin, or are they at war with each other? I hear that Hillary wants to be Queen of the Banksters! What would Queen Beatrix say?? What would Weiner say?


I keep worrying about the Cornered and Hurt Animal Syndrome. The PTB - visible and invisible - might be capable of just about anything. I am rather apprehensive. I don't want them to go away mad. I just want them to go away. I'd still like to know the entire ancient story of our existence, including any star wars. Bilderberg and the People We Love to Hate might be subject to a lot of ancient baggage. I'm not saying they aren't sell-outs, but the galactic and theological aspects of this present darkness should not be ignored. According to Bill Cooper, Henry Kissinger worked around the clock, and wouldn't talk to anyone, when he was learning about all of the forbidden knowledge. Might he have been learning the terms of our enslavement? I'm trying to place myself in the shoes of both Alex Jones and Henry Kissinger, as well as in the shoes of Osiris, Isis, Ra, and Horus. I'd still like to read a thousand-page, eyes-only, secret-document which spells everything out, with absolutely no bullshit, regarding this solar system and the predicament of the human race. I know this sort of thing exists, and it would probably completely change the way I think about a lot of things. I continue to think that the worst of the worst should be incarcerated and reeducated, even if it takes millions of years to get them back on track, and to properly deal with all karmic-debt issues.

What do you think about the theory of an Isis-Led Old World Order vs a Ra-Led New World Order? What do you think of both Isis and Ra as being Anti-Christ (opposed to, and in place of, Michael/Horus/Jesus)? What if Jesus never left Earth? What if it is God the Father who is returning to Earth to clean-up the mess? Incoming Annunaki vs Local Annunaki? The Second Coming of God the Father to Demote Isis and Ra - and Promote Horus? Might we be dealing with an Isis Dominated Old World Order Vatican vs a Ra Dominated New World Order Nazi Party? But might they be two sides of the same coin? Has a good, but relatively powerless, Jesus been pushed off to the side by these two bad@$$ powerhouses? Is Jesus basically holding their coats while they fight it out, with millions of human beings as collateral damage? Have we been dealing with the Bavarian/Nazi/Sirius B/Aldebaran/Teutonic-Zionist Branch of Gizeh-Intelligence v the Roman/Vatican/Sirius A/Zionist Branch of Gizeh-Intelligence? Raiders of the Lost Ark v Custodians of the Lost Ark? Once again, who rightfully owns this solar system? Please think about this, instead of just ignoring me.


I'm considering taking a close look at Vatican I (1870), Vatican II (1962-1965), and the period between the First and Second Vatican Councils, especially regarding Italy and Germany. I'm reading about Pope Pius XII, who was born in 1876 and died in 1958. This is just a suggested area of research, especially as it relates to a possible Nazi<>Gizeh-Intelligence<>Vatican relationship, and as it relates to possible reincarnations of Osiris, Isis, Ra, and Horus. This is about seeking understanding, rather than digging up dirt. I don't know if I'll really pursue this, but someone should. Please forgive me for asking so many questions, and making so many speculations, but I think there is a hidden story of our origins, history, and current plight, which might explain a lot of things, but which might also make us even less happy than we are presently. I'm currently toying with the 'Disfunctional Egyptian Royal Family Theory', to try to make sense out of the madness. I want to be reverent and religious, yet I keep rebelling against a lot of religious doctrine and practice. I keep trying to find the holy grail of politics and religion, but so far, my efforts have been unsatisfying, possibly because there are no happy answers to all of the problems. I remain a mixture of incurable optimism and unyielding despair. Look at the faces of the Bilderberg attendees. Do they look happy and on top of the world? I keep talking about solar system governance, but I really and truly believe that if all of my tentative ideas and solutions were accepted, and I became involved in a United States of the Solar System, that I would probably be less happy than I am presently, and that's not very happy. I see lots of struggling and suffering in our future, but I will continue to seek more sane ways to manage the insanity, whether or not anyone listens, and whether or not it does anyone any good. It's sort of fun to complain and speculate, with no responsibility. If the complainers got what they wanted, they would find something else to complain about, and I'm sure it would be that way with me. I continue to seek understanding, more than condemnation, even though I am quite indelicate and irreverent in my pseudo-intellectual truth-seeking. I'm not hateful and angry, but I'm not very friendly or loyal. I continue to think that pain is the cost of doing business in the universe. Consider reading 1. 'The Great Controversy' by Ellen White. 2. 'Hitler's Pope' by John Cornwell. 3. 'The Keys of This Blood' by Malachi Martin. I'm currently trying to be a neutral student of Rome, the Vatican, and the Papacy - because all roads lead to Rome - and this is true whether one believes in God, the Pope, the Virgin Mary - or not. Perhaps the best way to be a Catholic is to be a Catholic Watcher. I don't rant and rave against the church, but I'm not particularly supportive either. Actually, I like the idea of being a City-State Watcher, in a rather neutral manner. I support more research than action. These trying times require level-headedness. Well, that sure excludes me...

Perhaps I should scrap the United States of the Solar System crap - and form a Council of Seven - which seeks to control:

1. The Secret Government.

2. The United Nations.

3. The Vatican.

4. The City of London.

5. Washington D.C.

6. Everyone in the Solar System.

7. Everything in the Solar System.

This would be a really bad@$$ branch of Megalomaniacs Anonymous. No more Mr. Nice Guy. You guys had your chance...


I'm half-joking and half-serious. A lot of this stuff is so sad, that it's funny, in a morbid way. It would be sort of cool, though, to work in a boardroom, with perhaps a dozen really, really bright people, each of whom specialized in one of the seven categories which I listed, with the remaining five people being big-picture, PR, or media specialists. But really, having the internet is a bit like having these experts on call 24/7. There are really terrific documentaries and websites devoted to nearly all subjects, and then some. I can only absorb so much anyway. I probably work best in solitude, glued to the computer. There are probably tens of thousands, or even millions of people, who are trying to take over the world, sort of like 'Pinky and the Brain', so really, no one takes over, which is probably a good thing. On the other hand, I am still very interested in the Osiris, Isis, Ra, and Horus Reincarnational Hypothesis. Perhaps some of the historical madness was inevitable, or even necessary, but I really would like to see this solar system become much more sane and peaceful. I'm not sure if we are ready for a United States of the Solar System, or something close to it, but I would like to see this sort of thing in place by at least 2112. That's my target date. But once again, it's back to reality. It's fun to dream, but the real-deal is often a pain in the @$$.

What if one focused upon Art, Music, Nature, and Athletics? The idea is the positive development and perfection of the human being. I continue to have huge problems with BOTH Catholicism and Protestantism, to the point that I no longer go to church, or even pray. Yet, I continue to try to be an idealistically ethical and spiritual person. I shun most New Age alternatives to Christianity, and I continue to attempt to follow the Red-Letter Teachings of Jesus. Once in a while, I even succeed. But really, Art, Music, Nature, and Athletics are Universal. I benefit from Pagan Art as well as from Christian Art. I make no distinction between Catholic and Protestant Music. Nature itself is vastly superior to most scientific activities. And think of how athletics brings the whole world closer together. I am quite dissatisfied with the results of my internet activities, including those on Avalon 1 and the Mists of Avalon. I am very tempted to become lost in Art, Music, Nature, and Athletics - and wait for the Reptilians, Greys, UN Troops, Chinese, et al to come and take me away - or for the mushroom-cloud, wall of water, poison-cup, or last-supper to put me out of my (and everyone else's) misery. I stand by nearly everything I have posted on the internet, and said on my cell-phone, and I know you spooks have a record of ALL of it, complete with expert analysis. But I'm really sick of all of this. I know I whine a lot, and I think that part of the reason is the spiritual-warfare aspect to my life and activities. I think there is a lot going on beyond the veil. But perhaps a focus upon Art, Music, Nature, and Athletics will be my final attempt at self-development. I might go away for a while. But then again, I might just keep doing what I'm doing, even though I don't really want to.


I think I'm going to change gears for a while. I'm going underground, sort of, by being my own United States of the Solar System Secret Government - of one. I will try to watch Washington D.C., the City of London, the Vatican, and the United Nations - and then imagine what I would say and do if I were interacting with all of them on a daily basis. Eventually, all of the above might be united into a harmonious whole called 'The United States of the Solar System', hopefully, by 2112. (immediately would be optimal, but I'm trying to be a realist) I'm going to try to step back from a lot of what I've been looking at, because I think I got too close, too speculative, and too emotional. There's another aspect to all of this that I don't want to talk about. I'll be watching Bloomberg today, at least until Alex Jones starts broadcasting live! Perhaps these two sources might counterbalance each other in a constructive manner. Have you heard about the Watchers and Holy Ones? Well, I'm going to be a Holy Watcher. Guess what I'm going to do? I want to make it clear that I support evolutionary change, rather than revolutionary change. Getting rid of violence of all kinds is at the top of my list. Anyway, I think I've said quite enough, and I think I need to be quiet for a while. Again, despite my speculative irreverence, I still don't have an enemies list - but I'm working on one. Sometimes I think that that smartest beings in the solar system simply decided to exploit the human race, rather than futily try to reform it. I keep trying to help, by simply trying to make sense out of things. This seems to have fallen on deaf ears. It seems to have done no good - for me, or anyone else. The exploitive approach seems to garner results - even if the ethics are reprehensible. Should one simply be a hypocrite? Clean and pure on the outside? Dirty and corrupt on the inside? You really don't give a $hit - do you??

I'm still waiting for a long-term intelligent conversation with someone. Anyone - human or otherwise. Perhaps I will have to be content with not participating in the absurdities of the world, yet not destroy myself by trying to change things. Or, perhaps the millionaires and billionaires have the right idea. Should we seek fame, fortune, power, and pleasure - by whatever means - no matter how reprehensible or corrupt? A lot of people have sold their souls to you know who, to get what they want. Did they make the right decision? Somehow, it seems as if Isis, Ra, and Horus rebelled against Osiris (who might've been dysfunctional) - expelling him (and his loyal followers) from this solar system. Then it seems as if Isis and Ra completely disempowered the idealistic but naive Horus (who was, and is, in complete agreement with the non-dysfunctional aspects of Osiris) - and then proceeded to exploit the human race for thousands of years - milking humanity, in order to build the secret and very high-tech Gizeh Intelligence civilization throughout the solar system, which was, and is, predominantly reptilian in nature (but not from distant galaxies). It seems as if Osiris decided to let the whole bunch stew in their own juice, to teach them a lesson, but now may be back to clean up the mess. I might've gotten some of the details wrong, but this is my current impression. No one seems to have really listened to the powerless Horus (who is for humanity). Everyone seems to want to deal with the powerful Isis and Ra (who are against humanity). Did everyone willfully rebel against Osiris? Was this the original sin? Again, I might have the names and details wrong, but I'm sensing some variation on this theme. Humanity seems to keep making the wrong decisions - over and over and over again - even though they are presented with enough information to make proper choices. At this point, I'm angry at everyone, including myself.


Sometimes I want more drama (or passion) and sometimes I want less drama (or pettiness). I really wouldn't mind a month-long battle royal on one of my threads, involving hundreds of posts, swearing, dirty-pictures, gross-pictures, accusations, counter-accusations, sex, drugs, rock 'n roll, etc, etc, etc. I often think that our conversation is too sanitized and superficial. I really didn't mind fighting with Raven. We never really seem to get to core issues. We seem to pussyfoot through a lot of trivia. We never really seem to pull out all of the stops. I have to do this on my own, within my own mind. You wouldn't believe the unspoken battles which rage within my indomitable spirit. I sometimes imagine being in an empty and locked cathedral with a very smart, but very sinister being, arguing about everything under the sun, with our voices reverberating down the nave. How's this for a friendly discussion in the park? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeOTagb6120 Here are a couple of reasons why our world is so screwed-up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhzwSlK4uEc&feature=related Can't we just all get along? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwXdxRuk_Dg This guy really got my goat! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzctPPkUPkk Here are a couple of future Avalon and Camelot members. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JmA2ClUvUY This is what happens when a demon gets pissed-off. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9qAqwIW704 This guy is so gonna burn! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pb8o5wRYeTA&feature=fvsr I should stop.

You know, I'm trying to imagine being a Solar System Administrator, but I am coming to the conclusion that after the novelty wore off, I might not like the view, even if the United States of the Solar System were the New Solar System (replacing the Old and New World Orders). We are shielded from a lot of disturbing information. We think we know a lot, but I doubt it. I think it might take a couple of lifetimes to really adjust to dealing with the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Seeing with absolute clarity probably isn't what it's cracked-up to be. It might be especially hard to view all of the pain and suffering in the world, if one really cared. I'm frankly numb and non-responsive regarding the problems in the world. My thinking and reflecting have sort of put me out of commission. I've sort of defeated myself, without any help from the darkside. If I were a Solar System Administrator, I would probably just observe and ask questions during my first lifetime at this hypothetical job. Actually, this is probably what I would do lifetime after lifetime after lifetime as a Solar System Administrator. I'd keep on top of everything, attend meetings, read briefings and files, etc., but I wouldn't interfere or micromanage. But who knows what the reality would be? I'm simply living this delusion, to try to understand the solar system and the plight of humanity. So far, it's not a pretty picture, and I'm sure that I'm just scratching the surface of a very deep and ugly wound. I feel certain that the worst is yet to come. I know we're supposed to be up-beat, and act like everything is fine, even when it's not, but isn't that lying? I know that the truth is so overrated, but I still try to be honest.

I am presently reading The Historical David (The Real Life of an Invented Hero) -- by Joel Baden. It sort of reminds me of Caesar's Messiah -- by Joseph Atwill. These books strongly suggest that two of the most significant Biblical-Characters are Historical-Fiction. I have repeatedly suggested that there are very real Powers That Be (Human and Otherwise) who have ruled this solar system for thousands of years. I honestly mean Certain-Souls (or perhaps One Particular Soul) who have ruled this solar system in an uninterrupted manner for thousands of years. I am suggesting the possibility of Total Soul Recall -- Century after Century -- when everyone else has had to start-over with each new incarnation. BTW -- does Hitler's Pope -- by John Cornwell -- somehow relate to Caesar's Messiah?? I mean no harm. Not much, anyway. Not yet. I just want the bullshit to stop. The Internet and Info-War have changed things significantly. Also -- Psychic-Research has changed the game significantly. As I keep repeating -- I don't get involved in Psychic-Phenomenon in any way, shape, or form. I think this area of research is Extremely-Dangerous. However -- I occasionally read books and watch videos which deal with such things. I recently spoke with someone who attended a Raymond Moody seminar in the 1980's. I learned enough at several Whole Life Expos (in the 1980's and 90's) to convince me that my SDA background in particular (and religion in general) were in HUGE trouble (if one were even partially honest). But I also perceived that the New Age Movement was a HUGE Can of Worms -- and a Monumental Pandora's Box. So I dropped-out and moved-on. I'm liking the idea of touring the world (or at least North America) in a Porsche 911 GT3 -- with an Absolute Access Pass -- and a Kick-@$$ Laptop with an Uber-Secure Satellite InterPlaNet Connection!!! The imagination is a wonderful thing. If I actually did that -- I'd probably be destroyed very quickly (by the Nazis, Masons, Jesuits, Reptilians, Greys, and Ancient Egyptian Deities)!! I wouldn't be surprised if I get destroyed (in several possible ways) -- even without those exotic developments. I feel threatened and paranoid 24/7 -- and no one seems to give a damn. What Would James Forrestal Say?? I tend to think that some sort of a United States of the Solar System will have to wait until at least 2133 A.D. Disclosure and Judgment will probably be MOST Devastating. The Bad-Stuff will probably have to occur before the Good-Stuff. But once again -- I am a Law and Order kind of guy -- rather than a Fire and Brimstone sort of individual. One should not have to break the LAW -- to enforce the LAW. Think about it.

1. http://www.amazon.com/Historical-David-Real-Life-Invented/dp/0062188372/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1429111370&sr=8-2&keywords=joel+baden
2. http://www.amazon.com/Caesars-Messiah-Conspiracy-Flavian-Signature/dp/1461096405/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1429111523&sr=8-1&keywords=caesars+messiah
3. http://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Pope-Secret-History-Pius/dp/014311400X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1429111672&sr=8-1&keywords=hitlers+pope

There is an Individual of Interest who speaks somewhat disparagingly of their "wife". Mention has been made of the "Beast" -- "Eating Anything" -- and "Just Along for the Ride". I could say more -- but I don't want to talk about it. BTW -- I have hinted at certain individuals at various times -- in very round about ways -- and then shortly thereafter I stop seeing them. In a couple of instances, I know they are alive and well -- but they just seem to go away. I've seen some of them seemingly being escorted by "official-looking" individuals. Once again -- I could say more -- but I'd rather not. I have a sense of ethics and secrecy. I hint-at a lot of things -- within this crazy thread -- but I am rarely direct. This thread is almost a puzzle and/or a parable -- for "those with eyes to see -- and ears to hear". You don't have to join a secret-society. You just have to study my tripe -- which I offer for free -- which probably means that no one will bother (other than the usual alphabet-interns). Some things never change. What really scares me is the whole Artificial-Intelligence -- Hybrid-Android -- Trans-Humanism phenomenon. What if all of the above can be Perfectly-Possessed?? What if all of the above can be controlled by a Perfectly-Possessed NSA-Mainframe (or something similar)?? What if a Demon-Possessed Mainframe-Computer runs this Solar-System?? What if the Elites were promised Heaven Incorporated?? Purgatory Incorporated might be on the verge of becoming Hell Incorporated -- and I wish I were kidding.

magamud wrote:Communication or relational energy from the kingdom will always come super positioned.  Even John the baptist is least among those who are in the kingdom.  And everything is comprised from the kingdom as to why Jesus mentions how many times to forgive someone.  So quoting the bible or discussing it can mean the same thing.  Just as with not having the bible.  

The bibles purpose is to keep a fixed tangibility of Gods word and law true.  Same as the new covenant with the Gospels.  This shows the power of the Kingdom, because no matter what Evil can do to cover up the truth it still lives.  Unchangeable, like the north star or some fixed point. Much like when his Son manifests or prophets and they show his power through miracles.  That will change the doubting thomas mind.  But we have forgot the law, forgot the power and given them new names, as science and military.  Miracles reduced to a two bit magician at some dive bar.  No reference whatsoever.  

And then on the other side you have religious fundamentalist who completely repeat the Pharisees of ole story told by Jesus.  Making mountains out of mole hills and visa versa.  Then you have polarist from each side trying to nuke each other.  Thinking its this or that.  When its a mixture of the two.  

The kingdom with childs play can take any scenario here, integrate it, and throw it back to this world.  I certainly cant do it all the time, nor can I fill the shoes of the One coming.  But I can assuredly testify that the Law is coming back.

I used to love to listen to Dr. Walter Martin, Dr. Desmond Ford, and Dr. Robert H. Schuller -- because they were SO articulate, quick, and forceful. I didn't like them, or agree with them, all the time -- but they always did their homework -- for better or worse. A Biblical Ideal might be someone who considers the Red-Letter Teachings of Jesus to be Fundamentally-Authoritative and the Rest of the Bible as Contextual -- and who studies endlessly and aggressively -- yet who never quotes the Bible -- who simply puts the principles and concepts into their own words. I have failed to achieve this ideal -- even though I set out to do that sort of thing a very long time ago. It's almost as if someone made damn-sure that I didn't.

When I look at a lot of the crazy stuff -- I'm looking for BOTH the good and the bad -- and I often place BOTH on the table -- so I might build-up and tear-down simultaneously. Obviously, I'd never be able to be employed by those who I examine -- so being an insider is probably an impossibility. I really think I got kicked out of somewhere for being too rude, too outspoken, too honest, too deep, too loving, etc, etc, etc. Might this have constituted Rebellion Against God?? I really think we need to closely examine the Representative-Theocracy Concept -- in comparison with a Representative-Republic and a Strict-Theocracy. Is 'Doing the Right Thing' sometimes 'Doing the Wrong Thing'??

When I keep referring to Reptilians, Queens, and Reptilian Queens -- I am NOT being mean. I am exploring a hypothesis which might lead to some sort of a Unified Theory of Life in This Solar System. Notice that I never condemn or ridicule -- even though I am often irreverent and politically-incorrect. I could say ten times more than I print. I restrain myself to a painful extent. When I go completely silent -- my thinking will probably become much more dangerous -- yet if I never talk about it -- there should be no harm or foul. I have hinted at a lot of things I didn't wish to discuss directly -- but you must really dig and reflect to 'get it'. I have acted the part of the fool to make my posts less dangerous and threatening. If I were a well known lecturer with an Ivy-League Doctorate -- saying and printing what I do might cause a helluva lot of trouble. But when a Completely Ignorant Fool talks -- no one listens or trembles. What Would E.F. Hutton Say??


I'm going to try reading Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Acts, Romans, and Hebrews (KJV) straight through -- over and over and over again -- and then NOT talk about it. Does anyone see why this might be an effective approach to Biblical Studies?? This mental and spiritual exercise might benefit anyone -- regardless of their level of belief or unbelief. If the Bible were completely thrown-out, are there any historical sources as old as the Bible, which contain the quality of the Bible?? If one makes Egyptology their Bible -- does this solve all the problems?? Should the Law of One serve as Sacred Scripture?? I told Anchor I was going to study the Law of One -- but I couldn't really get into it. Perhaps I'll try again. Should the Vedas replace the Bible?? Should the Quran replace the Bible?? I just bought a Quran -- and I intend to read it from cover to cover. I tend to think that nearly ANY spiritual discipline is beneficial -- as long as it does not involve hurting or killing anyone.

If anyone wishes to do some very obscure research -- consider researching Dr. Arthur Beitz. He had a 'Golden Voice'. He was very polished and articulate. He also walked away from the ministry. He parked his Rolls Royce in a carpeted garage!! When I asked R.R. and Gordan Beitz about Arthur -- they didn't seem to wish to talk about him. Take a close look at people on the Edge of Adventism. You might find this study to be quite sad and most enlightening. The Edge of Catholicism is probably the same way. Remember that I keep joking about thinking of myself as a Renegade French Jesuit Organist!! Who knows?? I might've been one in a previous incarnation!! 1. http://www.amazon.com/Books-Arthur-Bietz--Exploring-Answers/dp/B001DD8JL0/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1375030960&sr=8-2&keywords=arthur+beitz 2. http://www.adventistreview.org/2001-1544/news.html Arthur L. Bietz, 88, a Seventh-day Adventist minister, scholar, and psychologist, for more than 50 years, died October 7, 2001. Born July 21, 1913, in Bowden, North Dakota, Bietz was one of nine children of German heritage whose parents emigrated from Russia. Bietz served for many years as pastor of the White Memorial and Glendale Adventist churches in southern California. He also directed the Glendale Psychological Center and served as a professor and director of the division of religion of the College of Medical Evangelists (now Loma Linda University) in California. Bietz was also a founder and chief executive officer of the Central Bank of Glendale. A prolific author, Bietz wrote 25 books and numerous articles for professional journals.

I'm going to do a helluva lot of research -- without communicating anything with anyone. This might be My Kamikaze Mission to the Bethesda Naval Hospital Psychiatric Ward -- but it MIGHT prepare me for what I MIGHT encounter in my next incarnation (if I even have a next incarnation). I wonder if the Gods and Goddesses are pleased or pissed with my activities in This Present Container?? I suspect that they are NOT pleased or amused. Is my type of thinking deemed 'progressive' or 'dangerous'? Will I be cracked-down upon in the very near future -- even if I stop posting?? Am I a Marked-Man?? Am I 'Dead-Meat'?? What if I end-up as CEO of Purgatory Incorporated (in a future incarnation)??!! What if I shadowed 'Anna'?? Would that be a good-thing or a bad-thing -- for 'Anna' and for 'orthodoxymoron'?? Could and should Purgatory Incorporated morph into Paradise Incorporated?? Should the United States of the Solar System be Paradise Incorporated?? Should Earth be Paradise -- and Titan be Purgatory?? I should stop.

What if a 'V' situation has existed within this solar system for thousands of years?? What if a very real 'Anna' rules the solar system?? What if 'Anna' is the CEO of Purgatory Incorporated?? What if she rules the Military-Industrial-Medical-Financial-Alien Complex?? What if there is a good-side and a bad-side to this hypothetical phenomenon?? What if such a system needs to be refined, rather than destroyed?? What might debates between a 'Good-Anna' and 'Bad-Anna' sound like?? Should an 'Idealistic-Anna' be BOTH Good and Bad??!! How good is too good?? How bad is too bad?? How much power is too much power?? A Benevolent-Dictatorship works quite well, if and only if, one can keep the Dictator Benevolent!!! What Would Lord Acton Say?? Consider this interesting episode of Earth: Final Conflict:

Now THIS is Interesting!! That particular episode of Earth: Final Conflict (which involved an Alien-Miracle) has been available on YouTube for YEARS -- but a week after I made this particular post -- it was REMOVED!! I wonder who orchestrated THAT??!!

Consider Healthcare and the Roman Catholic Church. I have a love-hate relationship with Healthcare. It does NOT seem to be Prevention-Based -- and it seems to be a Big-Business where the bottom-line is the bottom-line. No Margin -- No Mission?? I am NOT opposed to the concept of Church as Business -- nor am I opposed to Church-Related Business. However, I am opposed to exploitation, abuse, and non-compassionate business-practices. Is Modern Medicine an integral part of the Military-Industrial Complex?? I realize that seems to be a non sequitur -- but if you could imagine what I imagine -- you might not think so. I propose that Worldwide Healthcare be 50% Preventive-Natural and 50% Drugs-Surgery. I further propose Universal-Healthcare for everyone (with premiums based upon ability to pay). Medical-Ethics should be a HUGE part of said Worldwide Healthcare. What if some hospital elevators connect with underground-bases and secret medical-facilities??? What are proton-accelerators really used for?? I should stop. I really should. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_health_care

The Roman Catholic Church is the largest non-government provider of health care services in the world.[1] Its involvement in the field is born of Catholic social teaching.

From ancient times, Christian emphasis on practical charity gave rise to the development of systematic nursing and hospitals and the Church remains heavily engaged in the field. In 2010, the Catholic Church's Pontifical Council for Pastoral Assistance to Health Care Workers said that the Church manages 26% of health care facilities in the world, including hospitals, clinics, orphanages, pharmacies and centres for those with leprosy.[2]

Theological basis: euntes docete et curate infirmos

St Matthew the Evangelist and an Angel by Rembrandt. St Matthew, one of the authors of the New Testament, wrote that Jesus wanted his followers to care for the sick.

Catholic social teaching urges concern for the sick. Jesus Christ, whom the church holds as its founder, placed a particular emphasis on care for the sick and outcast, such as lepers. According to the New Testament, he and his Apostles went about curing the sick and annointing of the sick.[3] According to the Gospel of Matthew 25:35-46, Jesus identified so strongly with the sick and afflicted that he equated serving them with serving him:

The Good Samaritan by Aimé Morot (1880) illustrates the Parable of The Good Samaritan told by Jesus.

For I was hungry and you fed me, thirsty and you gave me drink. I was a stranger and you received me in your homes. Naked and you clothed me. I was sick and you took care of me, in prison and you visited me... [W]hatever you did for one of these least brothers of mine, you did for me.

— Passage from the Gospel of Matthew

In a 2013 presentation to its twenty-seventh international conference in 2013, the President of the Pontifical Council for Health Care Workers, Zygmunt Zimowski, said that "The Church, adhering to the mandate of Jesus, ‘Euntes docete et curate infirmos’ (Mt 10:6-8, Go, preach and heal the sick), during the course of her history, which by now has lasted two millennia, has always attended to the sick and the suffering."

In orations such as his Sermon on the Mount and stories such as The Good Samaritan, Jesus called on followers to worship God, act without violence or prejudice and care for the sick, hungry and poor. Such teachings formed the foundation of Catholic Church involvement in hospitals and health care.[3]

According to the Catholic Encyclopedia:[4]

Christ Himself gave His followers the example of caring for the sick by the numerous miracles He wrought to heal various forms of disease including the most loathsome, leprosy. He also charged His Apostles in explicit terms to heal the sick (Luke 10:9) and promised to those who should believe in Him that they would have power over disease (Mark 16:18) [...] Like the other works of Christian charity, the care of the sick was from the beginning a sacred duty for each of the faithful, but it devolved in a special way upon the bishops, presbyters, and deacons. The same ministrations that brought relief to the poor naturally included provision for the sick who were visited in their homes.

Philosophy of Catholic health care

Pope Benedict XVI discussed the philosophy of Catholic health and social services in the following terms:[5]

There will always be suffering which cries out for consolation and help. There will always be loneliness. There will always be situations of material need where help in the form of concrete love of neighbour is indispensable... [A Love-Caritas, that] does not simply offer people material help, but refreshment and care for their souls, something which often is even more necessary than material support.

— Pope Benedict XVI

History

The Church has, since ancient times, been heavily involved in health care. Early Christians were noted for tending the sick and infirm, and priests were often also physicians. According to the historian Geoffrey Blainey, while pagan religions seldom offered help to the sick, the early Christians were willing to nurse the sick and take food to them - notably during the small pox epidemic of AD 165-180 and the measles outbreak of around AD 250 and that "In nursing the sick and dying, regardless of religion, the Christians won friends and sympathisers".[3] Among the early saints remembered for this role are the twins Cosmas and Damian.[4] Physicians who trained in Syria, Cosmas and Damien reputedly won many converts by charitably working for no fee.[6]

Christian emphasis on practical charity gave rise to the development of systematic nursing and hospitals after the end of the persecution of the early church. Hospitality was considered an obligation of Christian charity and bishops houses and the valetudinaria of wealthier Christians were used to tend the sick.[4] It is believed that the first church hospitals were constructed in the East. An early hospital may have been built at Constaninople during the age of Constantine by St. Zoticus. St. Basil built a famous hospital at Cæsarea in Cappadocia which "had the dimensions of a city". In the West, Saint Fabiola founded a hospital at Rome around 400.[4]

Saint Albert Magnus was a pioneer of biological field research. St Luke the Evangelist, one of the earliest and certainly most influential Christian converts of all time, was a Greek Physician who probably travelled as a ship's doctor.[7]Notable contributors to the medical sciences of those early centuries include Tertullian (born A.D. 160), Clement of Alexandria, Lactantius and the learned St. Isidore of Seville (d. 636). St. Benedict of Nursia (480) emphasised medicine as an aid to the provision of hospitality.[8] The martyr Saint Pantaleon was said to be physician to the Emperor Maximinianus, who sentenced him to death for his Christianity. Since the Middle Ages, Pantaleon has been considered a patron saint of physicians and midwives.[9]

Middle Ages

Siena's Santa Maria della Scala Hospital, is one of Europe's oldest hospitals. Geoffrey Blainey likened the Catholic Church in its activities during the Middle Ages to an early version of a welfare state: "It conducted hospitals for the old and orphanages for the young; hospices for the sick of all ages; places for the lepers; and hostels or inns where pilgrims could buy a cheap bed and meal". It supplied food to the population during famine and distributed food to the poor. This welfare system the church funded through collecting taxes on a large scale and possessing large farmlands and estates.[10]

After a period of decline, the Holy Roman Emperor Charlamagne had decreed that a hospital should be attached to each cathedral and monastery. Following his death, the hospitals again declined, but by the tenth century, monasteries were the leading providers of hospital work - among them the Benedictine Abbey of Cluny.[4]

The famous Knights Hospitaller arose as a group of individuals associated with an Amalfitan hospital in Jerusalem, which was built to provide care for poor, sick or injured pilgrims to the Holy Land. Following the capture of the city by Crusaders, the order became a military as well as infirmarian order.[11]

During the Middle Ages, famous physicians and medical researchers included the Abbot of Monte Cassino Bertharius, the Abbot of Reichenau Walafrid Strabo, the Abbess st Hildegarde of Bingen and the Bishop of Rennes Marbodus of Angers.[3] Monasteries of this era were diligent in the study of medicine, and often too were convents. Hildergard of Bingen, a doctor of the church, is among the most distinguished of Medieval Catholic women scientists. Other than theological works, Hildegard also wrote Physica, a text on the natural sciences, as well as Causae et Curae. Hildegard was well known for her healing powers involving practical application of tinctures, herbs, and precious stones.[12]

Charlemagne decreed that each monastery and Cathedral chapter establish a school and in these schools, medicine was commonly taught. At one such school Pope Sylvester II taught medicine.[8] The Benedictine order was noted for setting up hospitals and infirmaries in their monasteries, growing medical herbs and becoming the chief medical care givers of their districts. The Capuchin monks sought a revival of the ideals of Francis of Assisi, offering care after plague struck at Camerino in 1523.[3]

Clergy were active at the School of Salerno, the oldest medical school in Western Europe - among the important churchmen to teach there were Alpuhans, later (1058–85) Archbishop of Salerno and the influential Constantine of Carthage, a monk who produced superior translations of Hippocrates and investigated Arab literature.[8]

In Catholic Spain amidst the early Reconquista, Archbishop Raimund founded an institution for translations, which employed a number of Jewish translators to communicate the works of Arabian medicine. Influenced by the rediscovery of Aristotelean thought, churchmen like the Dominican Albert Magnus and the Franciscan Roger Bacon made significant advances in the observation of nature.

Through the devastating Bubonic Plague, the Franciscans were notable for tending the sick. The apparent impotence of medical knowledge against the disease prompted critical examination. Medical scientists came to divide among anti-Galenists, anti-Arabists and positive Hippocratics.[8] St. Roch is venerated as a care-giver to the victims of plague.[13]

Gregor Mendel, Augustinian Friar and scientist, who developed theories on genetics for the first time. In Renaissance Italy, the Popes were often patrons of the study of anatomy and Catholic artists such as Michelangelo advanced knowledge of the field through such studies as sketching cadavers to improve his portraits of the crucifixion.[8]

Development of modern medicine

In modern times, the Catholic Church is the largest non-government provider of health care in the world. Catholic religious have been responsible for founding and running networks of hospitals across the world where medical research continues to be advanced.[14]

Europe

The French Saint Jeanne Jugan (1792-1879) founded the Little Sisters of the Poor who specialise in care for the aged. Catholic scientists in Europe (many of them clergymen) made a number of important discoveries which aided the development of modern science and medicine. Catholic women were also among the first female professors of medicine, as with Trotula of Salerno the 11th century pysician and Dorotea Bucca who held a chair of medicine and philosophy at the University of Bologna.[15] The Jesuit order, created during the Reformation, contributed a number of distinguished medical scientists. In the field of bacteriology it was the Jesuit Athanasius Kircher (1671) who first proposed that living beings enter and exist in the blood (a precursor of germ theory. In the development of opthalmology, Christophe Scheiner made important advances in relation to refraction of light and the retinal image.[8] Gregor Mendel, an Austrian scientist and Augustinian friar, began experimenting with peas around 1856. Observing the processes of pollination at his monastery in modern Czechoslovakia, Mendel studied and developed theories pertaining to the field of science now called genetics. Mendel published his results in 1866 in the Journal of the Brno Natural History Society. He is considered the father of modern genetics.[16]

Catholic religious institutes, notably those for women developed many hospitals throughout Europe and its empires. Ancient orders like the Dominicans and Carmelites have long lived in religious communities that work in ministries such as education and care of the sick.[17] The Portuguese Saint John of God (d. 1550) founded the Brothers Hospitallers of St. John of God to care for the sick and afflicted. The order built hospitals across Europe and its growing Empires. In 1898, John was declared patron of the dying and all hospitals by Pope Leo XIII.[18] in The Italian Saint Camillus de Lellis, considered a patron saint of nurses, was a reformed gambler and soldier who became a nurse and then director of Hospital for Incurables[disambiguation needed] in Rome. In 1584 he founded the Camillians to tend to the plague-stricken.[19] Irishwoman Catherine McAuley founded the Sisters of Mercy in Dublin in 1831. Her congregation went on to found schools and hospitals across the globe.[20] Saint Jeanne Jugan founded the Little Sisters of the Poor on the Rule of Saint Augustine to assist the impoverished elderly of the streets of France in the mid-nineteenth century. It too spread around the world.[21]

The Americas

Hospicio Cabañas was the largest hospital in colonial America, in Guadalajara, Mexico. The Spanish and Portuguese Empires were largely responsible for spreading Catholic to South and Central America, where the church established substantial hospital networks.

Catholic hospitals were established in the modern United States prior to the American War of Independence. The first was probably Charity Hospital, New Orleans, established around 1727.[22] The Sisters of Saint Francis of Syracuse, New York, produced Saint Marianne Cope, who opened and operated some of the first general hospitals in the United States, instituting cleanliness standards which influenced the development of America's modern hospital system, and famously taking her nuns to Hawaii to work with Saint Damien of Molokai in the care of lepers. St Damien himself is considered a martyr of charity and model of Catholic humanitarianism for his mission to the lepers of Molokai.

The Catholic Church has is the largest private provider of health care in the United States of America.[23] During the 1990s, the church provided about one in six hospital beds in America, at around 566 hospitals, many established by nuns.[24] The church has carried a disproportionate number of poor and uninsured patients at its facilities and the American bishops first called for universal health care in America in 1919. The church has been an active campaigner in that cause ever since.[25] In the abortion debate in America, the church has sought to retain the right not to perform abortions in its health care facilities.[26] In 2012, the church operated 12.6% of hospitals in the USA, accounting for 15.6% of all admissions, and around 14.5% of hospital expenses (c. 98.6 billion dollars). Compared to the public system, the church provided greater financial assistance or free care to poor patients, and was a leading provider of various low-profit health services such as breast cancer screenings, nutrition programs, trauma, and care of the elderly.[27]

Asia

Salesian sister caring for sick and poor in former Madras Presidency, India. Catholic women have been heavily involved as care givers. During the Middle Ages, Arab medicine was influential on Europe. During Europe's Age of Discovery, Catholic missionaries, notably the Jesuits, introduced the modern sciences to India, China and Japan. While persecutions continue to limit the spread of Catholic institutions to Middle Eastern Muslim nations, and such places as Communist China and North Korea, elsewhere in Asia the church is a major provider of health care services - especially in Catholic Nations like the Philippines.

The famous Mother Teresa of Calcutta established the Missionaries of Charity in the slums of Calcutta in 1948 to work among "the poorest of the poor". Initially founding a school, she then gathered other sisters who "rescued new-born babies abandoned on rubbish heaps; they sought out the sick; they took in lepers, the unemployed, and the mentally ill". Teresa achieved fame in the 1960s and began to establish convents around the world. By the time of her death in 1997, the religious institute she founded had more than 450 centers in over 100 countries.[28]

Oceania

St Vincent's Hospital, Sydney, Australia, was established by the Sisters of Charity and became an early leader in AIDS treatment. It remains among many leading medical research centres established by the Catholic Church around the world.

St Damien of Molokai famously established a mission among the lepers of Molokai, Hawaii. French, Portuguese, British and Irish missionaries brought Catholicism to Oceania and built hospitals and care centres across the region. The church remains not only a key provider of health care in predominantly Catholic nations like East Timor but also in predominantly Protestant and secular nations like Australia and New Zealand.

As restrictions were lifted by British authorities on the practice of Catholicism in colonial Australia, Catholic religious institutes founded many of Australia's hospitals. Irish Sisters of Charity arrived in Sydney in 1838 and established St Vincent's Hospital, Sydney in 1857 as a free hospital for the poor. The Sisters went on to found hospitals, hospices, research institutes and aged care facilities in Victoria, Queensland and Tasmania.[29] At St Vincent's they trained leading surgeon Victor Chang and opened Australia's first AIDS clinic.[30] In the 21st century, with more and more lay people involved in management, the sisters began callaborating with Sisters of Mercy Hospitals in Melbourne and Sydney. Jointly the group operates four public hospitals; seven private hospitals and 10 aged care facilities.

The Sisters of Mercy arrived in Auckland in 1850 and were the first order of religious sisters to come to New Zealand and began work in health care and education.[31]

The Sisters of St Joseph, founded in Australia by Australia's first Saint, Mary MacKillop, and Fr Julian Tenison Woods in 1867.[32][33][34] MacKillop travelled throughout Australasia and established schools, convents and charitable institutions.[35] The English Sisters of the Little Company of Mary arrived in 1885 and have since established public and private hospitals, retirement living and residential aged care, community care and comprehensive palliative care in New South Wales, the ACT, Victoria, Tasmania, South Australia and the Northern Territory.[36] The Little Sisters of the Poor, who follow the charism of Saint Jeanne Jugan to "offer hospitality to the needy aged" arrived in Melbourne in 1884 and now operate four aged care homes in Australia.[37]

Catholic Health Australia is today the largest non-government provider grouping of health, community and aged care services in Australia. These do not operate for profit and range across the full spectrum of health services, representing about 10% of the health sector and employing 35,000 people.[38] Catholic organisations in New Zealand remain heavily involved in community activities including education; health services; chaplaincy to prisons, rest homes, and hospitals; social justice and human rights advocacy.[39][40]

Africa

Catholicism has grown rapidly in Africa over the last two centuries. As in all other continents, Catholic missionaries established health care centres across the continent - though limitations on Catholic institutions remain in place for much of Muslim North Africa.

In Africa today, the church is heavily engaged in providing care to AIDS sufferers amidst the AIDS epidemic. Much of the Church's AIDS effort is concentrated in developing nations - in Africa, Asia, and Latin America.[41] According to PBS news, in 2011, there were "117,000 Catholic medical facilities, from clinics in the deepest jungle to large urban hospitals in the developing world, that are involved in treating both people that are already infected with AIDS and trying to prevent the transmission to at-risk populations".[42] Catholic prohibition on the use of condoms has been highly controversial in light of the AIDS crisis. In 2010, Pope Benedict XVI characterised condom use as not a "real or moral solution" to the spread of AIDS, but potentially a "first step" in the direction of moralisation and responsibility, when used with "the intention of reducing the risk of infection". Issues therefore emerge as to collaboration with secular organizations such as UNAIDS and the World Health Organization in the provision of AIDS care and prevention education. Catholic organisations like Caritas are heavily engaged in the provision of AIDS care in Developing Nations.

Religious orders dedicated to care giving

In keeping with the emphasis of Catholic social teaching, many religious institutes have devoted themselves to service of the sick, homeless, disabled, orphaned, aged or mentally ill. Women's religious institutes played a particularly prominent role in the development of the Catholic Church's health care networks.

Contemporary issues

Because the Catholic Church opposes abortion, euthanasia, and other health procedures, Catholic health facilities will not provide most or all such services. In public debates, particularly among Western nations like the United States, this has raised questions over insurance public/private financial co-operation and government interference and regulation of health facilities. Writing in 2012, the Australian human rights lawyer and Jesuit Frank Brennan, in response to calls for public funding to Catholic hospitals to be contingent on them offering the "full suites of services", said that:[43]

The nation is the better for policies and funding arrangements that encourage public and private providers of healthcare, including the Churches. The public may need to be patient with Church authorities as they discern appropriate moral responses to new technologies. This is a small price to pay for creative diversity which delivers healthcare of the highest standard with a special character cherished by many citizens, not just Catholics.

The Catholic Church's opposition to abortion has also restricted its hospitals' treatment of miscarriages. In cases where evacuation of the miscarriage from the uterus is medically indicated, doctors have been prohibited from carrying it out while a fetal heartbeat is still present, "in effect delaying care until fetal heart tones cease, the pregnant woman becomes ill, or the patient is transported to a non–Catholic-owned facility for the procedure."[44]

A number of controversies have arisen over the application of these treatments in Catholic hospitals, or the lack thereof; for instance, in the United States, a member of a hospital ethics committee was excommunicated when she approved a therapeutic abortion to save a patient's life, and in Germany, a case of two hospitals turning away and refusing to examine or treat a rape victim led to new guidelines from the country's bishops stating that hospitals could provide emergency contraception to victims of rape.[45]

As regards IVF and surrogacy, the church is currently formulating responses to new technologies.

Patron Saints

Saint Luke the Evangelist, one of the four writers of the Gospels was said to be a physician. There are a number of patron saints for physicians, the most important of whom are Saint Luke the Evangelist the physician and disciple of Christ, Saints Cosmas and Damian (3rd-century physicians from Syria), and Saint Pantaleon (4th-century physician from Nicomedia). Archangel Raphael is also considered a patron saint of physicians.[46]

Surgeons

The patron saints for surgeons are Saint Luke the Evangelist, the physician and disciple of Christ, Saints Cosmas and Damian (3rd-century physicians from Syria), Saint Quentin (3rd-century saint from France), Saint Foillan (7th-century saint from Ireland), and Saint Roch (14th-century saint from France).[47]

Nurses

Various Catholic Saints are considered patrons of nursing: Saint Agatha, Saint Alexius, Saint Camillus of Lellis, St Catherine of Alexandria, St Catherine of Siena, St John of God, St Margaret of Antioch, and Raphael the Archangel.[48]

See also

Catholic social teaching
Catholic Church and AIDS
Role of the Catholic Church in Western civilization
Catholic Health Association of the United States
Pontifical Council for the Pastoral Care of Health Care Workers
Catholic Health Australia
Medicine
Philosophy of healthcare
Islamic medicine
Chinese medicine

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Is there a connection between the Old-Testament Wisdom-Books and the Teachings of Robert H. Schuller?? Think about it. What Would Norman Vincent Peale Say?? Some find Peale-Appalling and Paul-Appealing!! What if the Wisdom-Books were somehow combined with the Pauline-Epistles?? What is the relationship between the Red-Letter Teachings of Jesus -- the Wisdom-Books -- and the Pauline-Epistles?? The Torah might've served a Necessary-Purpose for Ancient-Israel -- but I have HUGE Problems with the Torah in the Context of Modernity. Do the Synoptic-Gospel Red-Letters trump the Johanine Red-Letters?? What Would John Dominic Crossan Say?? Does Romans trump the remaining Pauline-Epistles?? Does Revelation trump the rest of the Holy-Bible?? Does the Cross of Christ render Job through Daniel null and void?? Theology is a HUGE Can of Worms (or is it a Can of Snakes?)!! Doing-Theology is a Necessary-Evil!! What Would John C. Strugnell Say?? I've gone round and round and round with people -- regarding theology -- and it does absolutely no good!! The most ridiculous positions are defended in the most profound ways!!


What is the Absolute Legal Standard for This Solar System?? What is the Absolute Legal Standard for the Universe?? Are ethics, law, politics and religion inevitably built upon shifting sand?? Does Might Make Right?? Is Looking-Good and Making-Money the Absolute Standard of Success in This Solar System?? It's easier to look good if you're making money -- and it's easier to make money if you're looking good!! Are the Teachings of Jesus too idealistic for this Sick Solar System?? How can the Righteous Rule the Corrupt?? Why do the Corrupt Rule?? How do we make things right?? We can't?? Should I fight the good fight -- or should I just go along to get along?? Am I from somewhere else?? Am I on a failed rescue mission?? Should I go back to where I came from?? Should I wash my hands, and walk (or fly) away from this madness?? I have NO idea. Everything is a great, big mystery. It has been suggested that I NOT try to figure things out. Is Truth-Seeking the equivalent of Eating the Fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil?? I presently feel as if I have absolutely zero value. I presently feel as if NOT existing might be an attractive possibility if this incarnation is any indication of what my next incarnation might be like. Do I count for anything in this solar system?? What if I am somebody?? If I withdrew all support and goodwill from humanity and/or this solar system -- would that make things better or worse for humanity?? Would that make things better or worse for other-than-humanity?? If I go away -- where should I go?? Do I have a choice in the matter?? Am I hanging myself with this thread?? Is it wise to try to help those who do not wish to receive help?? Does Humanity NOT Need to be Saved?? Am I suffering from withdrawal symptoms?? Is there a substantial penalty for early withdrawal?? What Would Jesus Say and Do??

As I try to go underground (in more ways than one!), please continue to study the words "Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System" as a group, and as individual words. Think about this from every conceivable angle, and contemplate every possibility, probability, and eventuality. This is more of a monumental task than a casual observer might delude themselves into believing. Consider the psychological, ethical, religious, and political implications and ramifications. This could (and should) be the subject of thousands of doctoral dissertations. Think of these words being at the center of ivy-league university programs in Solar System Studies and Governance. Please review this entire thread, including all of the books mentioned and videos linked. Please do not disregard this thread, or the subject upon which it is based. I don't have a problem with idealistic conceptions of God and Theocracy - but I am profoundly troubled by the history of theology and theocracy - as well as by the idiotic religious expressions in modernity. We should know better by now. We seem to have a lot of minor gods and goddesses flying around the solar system in ufo-asteroids, pretending to be Major Gods and Goddesses. Indeed, using God's Name in Vain. I seek a constructive integration of democracy and theocracy - based upon RESPONSIBILITY. If only I could learn to be responsible.

Here are the links to my threads on AV1 and MOA. I included them here because they are really an ongoing research project. I'm trying to change myself - and I am trying to encourage others to think in unconventional yet productive ways. This is a unique approach - which may make it of some value to someone somewhere or somewhen. This thread is an experiment (aren't they all?)...which includes mostly threads based on videos...or threads which contain many video links...which I have started. I'm not particularly bright or noteworthy...but the videos which I have viewed...especially when viewed as a group...are earth shattering to me. The threads are a healthy mixture of problems and solutions. If you have the time...which is doubtful...please look at all of these threads...and look for commonalities. There is a bit of a theological slant...but certainly not an orthodox or Bible thumping slant. Prepare to be shocked...to cry...to get mad...to be enlightened...and to experience the Eureka Phenomenon!

I would love to read a twenty page critique of all of these threads - written by a Jesuit or a CIA analyst - complete with a psychological evaluation, etc. I'm very serious. I don't need to be right. I just don't feel as though anyone has seriously considered these threads. They were designed to make people think - and then to arrive at their own conclusions - but I don't think that happened at all. I honestly feel as though Gabriel, Michael, Lucifer, and a couple of alphabet agents and Jesuits are the only ones who looked at this material with a penetrating gaze. Even if I was very close to the mark - I wasn't a threat (I didn't try to be) - because no one seemed to pay much attention to any of it. I had hoped for some very detailed and passionate debating. The 'Amen Ra' thread seemed to generate the most interest (18,067 views and counting) - but I have no idea what the reactions were and are now that AV1 is closed to posting. I feel very empty and lost in all of this. I feel as though I wasted my time and energy - accomplishing nothing. I am making a renewed call for help - into the vast regions of space and cyberspace - for intelligent life-forms to seriously look at this material as a group - and tell me what you think - positive or negative. Where are the scholars? Is there any intelligent life out there that isn't so high and mighty that they can't take a few hours to make a proper evaluation of all of this? Come down out of your ivory tower - I dare you! The water's warm. Come-on in! I'm waiting - but I'm not holding my breath. You important people with your degrees and badges have more important things to do - don't you? Like getting us into even more trouble than we're already in? Don't take what I just said too seriously. I am impatient and frustrated - and I'm simply taking my dissatisfaction with life out on those who don't deserve it. Life isn't fair - is it? At this point, I seem to know less than when I started this quest.


Consider Teutonic Zionism. Also, consider reading 'Hitler's Pope'. Supposedly there is an SS/Jesuit connection. I don't take sides in any of this. I just want to defuse a very dangerous situation, but I don't know how. I have no idea how deep and dark all of this really is. How is one to know who the good guys and bad guys really are? Does it take a bad guy to overthrow a bad guy? Can a truly good guy really accomplish much of anything in this sick and stupid world??? Are the Old and New World Orders really two sides of the same coin, or are they really in genuine conflict with each other? I keep sensing that we are dealing with Bad Guys vs Bad Guys - with the Good Guys not having a clue about what's REALLY going on. I think that a deep and fair study of the Vatican and the Nazis is essential to really understanding what has and is going on in our world. Is there both a good and a bad side to the Vatican and the Nazi phenomenon? I am proceeding on the theory that just about everyone and everything are mixtures of good and evil. I try to avoid 'all or nothing' thinking. I also think that Gizeh Intelligence has a lot to do with all of this, but very little seems to be known about them, and I'm sure they'd like it to stay that way. If all of the crap got exposed, and all of the bad guys and gals got kicked out of the solar system - would we be capable of handling the uncovered mess? I really wonder. We might get ourselves into an even worse situation. It's almost as if the present diabolical state of affairs needs to somehow be reformed in an evolutionary manner. But once again, I don't have a clue how to do this. I almost seem to be trying to positively reinforce the best of the Vatican and the Nazi phenomenon - while exposing and attacking the worst aspects. But this approach ends up making everyone angry - right? That's why I pretty much stick to myself, and why I'm trying desperately to stop posting on the internet. I'd like to start extricating myself from some of the lists I'm undoubtedly on. What would the Masonic Teutonic-Zionist Nazi-Martian Catholic-Dracs on Phobos say??? "orthodoxymoron REALLY needs to shut-up"?

On the political front, internet, PBS, town-hall, and bumper-sticker campaigning should be sufficient to properly inform the general public. I HATE roadside political signs. Perhaps senatorial and congressional voting should be supplemented with internet voting by the public. The elected representatives and the public might have 50% of the votes each. The public overwhelmingly did not want the damn bankster-bailout - but guess what we got??

I'm still a bit puzzled regarding the definition of 'regressive'. Perhaps a lot of us might be 'regressive' if we were in the 'regressives' situation. I am very frightened that even if my unproven ideas were accepted, that the human race might screw things up even worse than the 'regressives'. I support a representative republic, but are we really ready to pull this off on a global or solar system level - especially if we were dealing with other than human beings who would undoubtedly want a piece of the pie? If Greys and Dracs really exist - they probably want us out - and most of the human race would probably want them out - especially if we are dealing with hundreds of thousands of years of star wars. I keep wondering if the hypothetical Greys and Dracs would prefer to live in subsurface bases and cities throughout the solar system, or if they really want our skyscrapers and waterfront homes? Would a significant percentage of the human population choose to live in subsurface bases and cities throughout the solar system, if given the opportunity to do so? I think it would be really cool, especially if space travel, surface exploration, maglev trains, and coed saunas were part of the deal.

I have come to the sickening conclusion that just about everyone is capable of reprehensible corruption and horrific brutality. Put a pure and noble soul in a certain context, and they might do just about anything. I guess this is why I like the checks and balances of a United States of the Solar System. But this is just a pipe-dream. It would sure help to know what's REALLY going on. I continue to wish for everything to work out well for all concerned. Hope springs eternal. I will continue to wish the best for everyone as I lurk in the shadows. I might reemerge in a couple of months - a couple of years - or never. I sought answers and happiness - but I have mostly uncovered problems and sadness. I hurt before - but now the pain is nearly unbearable. I might sound self-centered, and I probably am, but all of these threads have, in a sense, been diaries of feeling, reflection, and speculation. If I ever do reemerge, I think I will be a lot more polished and sanitized, which might be a good or a bad thing, depending on your point of view. I sense that I have been a great disappointment. Perhaps this is because I am greatly disappointed. Perhaps my silence and absence will make everyone happy. I'm not going away mad. I'm just going away.

Take all of these threads with a sea of salt, and get informed without getting mad. Just consider them carefully, and then move on. I try to listen to a wide variety of sources in a rather non-committal manner. Neutrality might be impossible, but I'm trying to be as neutral as possible. I can see myself partnering with virtually all races and members of nearly all organizations - AS LONG AS THEY ARE NOT AS CORRUPT AS HELL. There are good individuals EVERYWHERE. Unfortunately, I really am quite naive. I really am a completely ignorant fool when it comes to how the world and solar system really works. I would love to be involved in solar system governance, but it would take me several lifetimes to really get up to speed, and I'm not joking. I am sort of burned-out, and I probably seem to lack backbone, in my efforts to be neutral. I'm not exactly a 'shouting in a megaphone and running in the streets' type of person. I don't really know much of anything for certain. I tend to think that whoever REALLY runs the solar system is into EVERYTHING. So, it might be futile to blame any particular group for most of the world's problems. Perhaps a lot of the individuals and groups we love to hate - really hate carrying out the orders they are given. I think this thing is incredibly complex and messy. We might be dealing with a lot of very ancient baggage, which might include other solar systems, archangels, gods, goddesses, star wars, and who knows who or what? I think Bill Cooper had the right idea. I listen to Latin Masses as I study the Jesuits. I think I could probably get along quite well with most of them, including the Black Pope aka Jesuit General. I think I could get along very well with top-level Israelis. Please keep an open mind in all of this controversial madness.


I keep flying blind, and I keep feeling as though I am walking through a minefield as I keep speculating. This all seems to be a most dangerous and deceptive game. I think that my posting has angered both the good and evil guys and gals. I guess I'm sort of a rebel against everyone at this point. I feel as though I might be very comfortable in a very holy heaven, surrounded by the most evolved beings in the universe. OR, I think I could hang-out with Bartleby and Loki (from Dogma) and get along with them. I can do the 'holier than thou' routine, and I can do the 'this is all a bunch of bs' routine as well. I would really like to see a highly refined integration of politics and religion, but I don't have a clue how to make it happen. If I travelled between the Vatican, the City of London, the United Nations, and Washington D.C. on a daily basis, I might be able to work something out over a few decades. But presently, I am completely disillusioned with politics and religion. I think humanity is being taken advantage of, but perhaps to some extent, we deserve it. Everything important continues to be a great, big, deceptive mystery. I've sort of had it. I really think I need to just shut-up and research. I'm enjoying reading 'Hitler's Pope'. Who knows? I might've been Eugenio Pacelli, so I probably shouldn't throw stones. I seem to be strangely interested in Pope Pius XII, the Vatican, the Nazi Party, and Gizeh Intelligence. I keep wondering why things had to get so insane and violent. I mostly want the violence and war to go bye-bye. I think I might be able to live with a litte bit of corruption - but not too much. I need to stop. Thank-you for having this website. It's really shown me how little I really know about a lot of things. I need to keep reading the 'Holy Tablets'. Also, Biblical Egyptology is a VERY interesting area of research. Anyway, I am going to try to not post for a while. It's liberating to just research, and not have to attempt to convince anyone of anything. Who says that no man is an island, and that no man stands alone? Here I stand. I can do no other. You won't have orthodoxymoron to ignore anymore...

These Threads are Mostly Unedited -- and Contain Lots of Errors and Dead-Links. Study Them At Your Own Risk and Peril.

1. God, Jesus, Satan, Lucifer, et al: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15014&highlight=orthodoxymoron

2. Secrets of the Vatican: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=13767&highlight=orthodoxymoron

3. Tell Me Who I Am: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=14402&highlight=orthodoxymoron

4. Waco Revisited: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15185&highlight=orthodoxymoron

5. Al Bielek - Philadelphia Experiment and Montauk Project: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=14348&highlight=orthodoxymoron

6. Xcon Potpurri: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=14241&highlight=orthodoxymoron

7. Kevin Trudeau with Alex Jones - 5-26-09: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=14241&highlight=orthodoxymoron

8. Red Letter Church: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=13495&highlight=orthodoxymoron

9. Reptilians and Mind Control: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=13373&highlight=orthodoxymoron

10. 'V' Movie(Series) Revisited: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=13202&highlight=orthodoxymoron

11. Jesus: The Last Pharaoh?: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=13776&highlight=orthodoxymoron

12. Important Mass Manipulation Video: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=12702&highlight=orthodoxymoron

13. 1990's Prophets: Vindicated or Debunked?: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=11000&highlight=orthodoxymoron

14. Alien Advice: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=10158&highlight=orthodoxymoron

15. Cool Music Videos: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15470&highlight=cool+music+videos

16. NASA: Triumph and Tragedy: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15618&highlight=tragedy+triumph

17. United Nations Charter: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15552&highlight=Shadow+moon

18. In the Shadow of the Moon: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15635&highlight=Shadow+moon

19. TWA 800 Revisited: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15187

20. Unique War Video: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=14409

21. Bilderberg Video: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=12970

22. Dogon Sirius Mystery - C2C: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15731&highlight=dogon

23. The Point: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=158238#post158238

24. The Washington Mutual Story: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=13996&highlight=washington+mutual+story

25. Oklahoma City Bombing Revisited: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=158668#post158668

26. The United States of the Solar System: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878

27. What is Giza Intelligence? http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=11123&highlight=giza+intelligence

28. Called to Be Free - a Video: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=13882&highlight=worldwide+church

29. Lucifer: Deity of the Elite: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=163179#post163179

30. Tesla: Master of Lightning: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16193

31. Secret Mysteries of America's Beginnings: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=165729#post165729

32. The Dulce Book: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=167075#post167075

33. New World Order: Devil in the Vatican: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=167745#post167745

34. The Lucifer Effect: Understanding How Good People Turn Evil: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16609&highlight=lucifer+effect

35. Enron Video: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=175040#post175040

36. No End In Sight: Iraq War Documentary: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16897

37. Ted Gunderson Interviews Chip Tatum (CIA, Drugs, Etc.): http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=177127#post177127

38. Sirius Issues: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=178234#post178234

39. Superimposed Parallel Universes: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=178255#post178255

40. Lawyerese Goes Galactic: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=17276&highlight=wall+street+journal

41. Stargate SG-1: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=17834

42. Amen Ra: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18223

43. The Dark Side of the Moon Mission: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18273&highlight=moon+video+orthodoxymoron

44. Open Letter to the Beings of the Universe: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19065&highlight=open+letter+beings+universe

45. Moonraker: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19284

46. Who Are Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer? http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19376&highlight=gabriel%2C+michael%2C+lucifer%3F

47. Krlll: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=238849#post238849

48. Cartoon Aliens: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20141&highlight=cartoon+aliens

49. Thuban Thoughts: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20379

50. Thuban Thoughts II: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20963

51. Very Cool Short Videos: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20400&highlight=cool+short+videos

52. Violent Movies, Books, Games, Cartoons, and Toys: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20849

53. Abortion, Euthanasia, Suicide, and Murder: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20852

54. Prevention is Central to Healthcare: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=21143

55. I Have a Dream! Free at Last! http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=261981#post261981

orthodoxymoron threads from the Mists of Avalon: http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t876-orthodoxymoron-threads?highlight=orthodoxymoron+threads

1. Who is Lucifer? What are they doing? http://www.themistsofavalon.net/universal-lounge-f8/who-is-lucifer-what-are-they-doing-t841.htm?highlight=lucifer

2. United Nations + City States + Underground Bases + Secret Space Program = Secret Government? http://www.themistsofavalon.net/universal-lounge-f8/united-nations-city-states-underground-bases-secret-space-program-secret-government-t853.htm?highlight=secret+government

3. Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System http://www.themistsofavalon.net/universal-lounge-f8/namaste-constitutional-responsible-freedom-solar-system-t918.htm#16374

4. Tibet, Kali, and the Trinity Goddess http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t1019-tibet-kali-and-the-trinity-goddess?highlight=orthodoxymoron+threads

5. Three Interesting Ladies http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t1347-three-interesting-ladies?highlight=orthodoxymoron+threads

6. Swiss Politicians to March on Bilderberg to Demand Arrest of Kissinger http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t2705-swiss-politicians-to-march-on-bilderberg-to-demand-arrest-of-kissinger

7. How Should We Then Live? http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t2717-how-should-we-then-live

8. The KGB Psychic Files http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t2622-the-kgb-psychic-files

9. Reptilian Queens http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t2639-reptilian-queens

10. Very Interesting Jordan Maxwell Interview http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t2531-very-interesting-jordan-maxwell-interview

11. The Hidden Story of Jesus http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t2618-the-hidden-story-of-jesus

12. Death and Taxes http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t1158-death-and-taxes

13. 'V' Revisited http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t1616-v-revisited

14. Grace Cathedral http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t1327-grace-cathedral

15. Red Letter Church http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t1040-red-letter-church

16. What is Gizeh Intelligence? http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t1348-what-is-gizeh-intelligence

17. The United Nations and the City States http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t1538-the-united-nations-and-the-city-states

18. Lucifer, Pagan Rome, Alexander the Great, Constantine the Great, and Papal Rome http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t1572-lucifer-pagan-rome-alexander-the-great-constantine-the-great-and-papal-rome

19. Amen Ra, et al http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t1116-amen-ra-et-al

20. The Jesuits http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t1407-the-jesuits

21. Bill Cooper, Commander X, and Branton http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t1098-bill-cooper-commander-x-and-branton

22. St. Ouen and St. Sulpice http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t1397-saint-ouen-and-saint-sulpice

23. Project Isis http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t1303-project-isis

24. Complexity, Technology, Competition, Greed, Power-Hunger, Self-Exaltation, and the Quickening http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t1033-complexity-technology-competition-greed-power-hunger-self-exaltation-and-the-quickening?highlight=complexity

25. Eric Jon Phelps http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t2779-eric-jon-phelps

26. Moral Responsibility http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t2806-moral-responsibility#49793

27. The Holy Tablets http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t2867-the-holy-tablets

28. The University of Solar System Studies and Governance http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t2881-the-university-of-solar-system-studies-and-governance

29. Healthcare in Critical Condition http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t2888-healthcare-in-critical-condition#50754

30. The War On Democracy http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t2895-the-war-on-democracy

31. No End in Sight http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t2896-no-end-in-sight#50837

32. Ring of Power http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t2921-ring-of-power

33. The New Rulers of the World http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t2923-the-new-rulers-of-the-world

34. The History of Orthodox Christianity http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t2971-the-history-of-orthodox-christianity


So - who is the rightful owner of this solar system? Who is the rightful head of the Christian Church? Who is the rightful head of the Monarchy? Who is the rightful and legitimate head of this solar system? Do we need to make some changes? These changes should be made immediately. You know what I'm talking about - and you know that I know what's really going on. There will be consequences throughout the whole damn solar system. You had all better get right with your maker - and I'm not bluffing or kidding. GAME OVER.

Is the above bold paragraph really too bold? It reflects how I really feel, but does it reflect reality? I made it elsewhere in this thread, quite some time ago, and nothing seems to have happened. Should I have expected anything to happen? It would help if I knew more about what is really going on throughout the world, solar system, galaxy, and universe. I know a lot more than I did a couple of years ago, but I still don't know nearly enough. Or, do I know too much? Should someone simply call in a strike on this god-forsaken solar system? Should probation close in 2011? Should the wheat be separated from the tares? Should the righteous be separated from the filthy? Should the Bottomless Pit be utilized? Would a changing of the guard from competent-corruption to incompetent-goodness really just make things worse? Are we really too stupid and unstable to rule ourselves? Must we continue to be ruled by very powerful and evil individuals, as seems to have been the case for thousands of years? Have we contributed to the delinquency of the Queen of Heaven and the God of This World - by being Completely Ignorant and Irresponsible Fools?

Are the best and brightest Roman Catholics working in the Vatican? Are the best and brightest Americans working in Washington DC? Are the best and the brightest of Great Britan and Europe working in the City of London? Are the best and brightest people of the world working at the United Nations? Are the people in the Vatican, Washington DC, the City of London, and the United Nations really running the world - or are they simply employees or minions of a Secret Government and a Queen of Heaven / God of This World? I would really like to know the innermost thoughts of the 10,000 best and brightest Human Beings - regarding Life, the Universe, and Solar System Governance. Would a Vatican-Based Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System result in the 10,000 best and brightest Human Beings running the Solar System?

My idealistic bottom-line is RESPONSIBILITY IN EVERYTHING. My pragmatic bottom-line is GIVE THEM WHAT THEY WANT. TELL THEM WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR. COMPETE WITHOUT CEASING WITH POSITIVE RESPONSE ABILITY. Perhaps my idealism needs to mate with my pragmatism. Perhaps I need to infiltrate and subvert the Old and New World Orders with Responsibility to produce the New Solar System aka the United States of the Solar System. Perhaps I need to aspire to become a kinder and gentler version of the Queen of Heaven and the God of This World. Think long and hard about the contents of this post (including all linked threads and materials). That's exactly what I will be doing privately. I'm not going to whine, whimper, and beg anymore. Godspeed.


I just wish to reiterate that I am opposed to murder of all kinds, including mass-murder for purposes of physical, mental, or spiritual eugenics and population reduction. Sometimes, in my efforts to be neutral and accommodating, I might not make my anti-violence sentiments known in a forceful enough manner. I really am opposed to misery, suffering, enslavement, and murder. This sort of thing can be glossed over, but it shouldn't be. History is a violent mess, but why should we keep repeating the madness. I support responsible reproduction and responsibility education. The first words of the Hippocratic Oath are 'First, Do No Harm'. Why can't this be part of a Solar System Governance Oath? Also, I continue to support a 10,000 Representative United States of the Solar System. Whether this New Solar System would need to be overseen by an individual or a small council is debatable. I maintain that if we wish to have a Responsible Solar System - we need to give the Solar System Inhabitants responsibility. Responsibility is really the key to everything worthwhile. I had a really bad night, thinking about all of this. I had a hard time thinking. Period. I feel obligated to think about Solar System Governance, but to properly participate in this sort of thing, one would really need an extensive education. It makes me a bit ill, just thinking about how wrong things could go, in a very short period of time. I feel a sense of paralysis in connection with all of this.

I support the concept of a perfected humanity, living in a perfected solar system. I still don't know enough about other than human races, to make appropriate determinations about them. I still don't really know if other than human humanoid races actually exist. I have been conducting my internet activities as though they do exist, but I haven't seen them or lived with them. Not in this life! I remain open, yet wary. I'm rambling, and I'm rather upset today. Once again, without knowing a helluva lot more than I know presently, it is very difficult to make any judgments or decisions regarding the most important issues in the solar system. I feel very uncomfortable with my various and sundry speculations. I continue to wish for everything to work out well for everyone, but without knowing the real story, I don't know if this is really possible. Finally, I am attempting to make my solar system governance quest a much more scholarly pursuit. I've built my base. Stated my case. I'm not erasing. But now I need to save my face by searching for scholarly evidence to support my speculation. I truly am seeking to end-up with the equivalent of a PhD in Solar System Studies and Governance. I doubt that such a program exists, and I further doubt that I would be accepted into such a program if it did exist. But I am going to continue to think about this subject around the clock. I tend to work better in a less formal environment anyway.


The speaker/interpreter in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh2NkhunEJ0&feature=player_embedded reminds me of Serendipity in the 1999 movie 'Dogma'! I picture Serendipity doing the talking, complete with the mannerisms exhibited in 'Dogma'! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tfyn-_0V4Ec Actually, I'm watching the video, and imagining the speaker having Serendipity's head!! Could Kali be a lot like this??? Sometimes I wonder who really teaches the teachers??!! Please review this thread, which focuses on Kali. http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t1019-tibet-kali-and-the-trinity-goddess Also, notice very carefully what Serendipity says in 'Dogma' and ask yourself if Kali could utter these words!!! Gabriel + Lucifer = Lilith = Hathor = Isis = Kali = Mary = Kitesh = Adria = Anna = Serendipity = Queen of Heaven = God of This World??? We are all One? It seems that there is a progressive release of information occurring presently, but that this release is somewhat jumbled, and a mixture of truth and error. It seems as if we have a lot of dot-connecting to do. It is not clear to me, why this release is occurring, and I continue to be both receptive and wary. I continue to think that we are in the middle of an ancient war, of which we know very little, even with all of the 'new' information. I continue to both resist and emulate the 'Queen Concept'. For example, I like the best aspects of Anna in 'V' - but I despise the worst aspects. If someone has been running the show in this solar system for thousands of years, with complete reincarnational recall, and access to all of the hidden technology and information, they obviously are someone who might be a useful teacher, to say the least! But what strings might be attached to such instruction??!! This hypothetical being might be VERY tricky and sinister!!! I intend neither respect or disrespect. I simply do not have enough information to make any sort of an absolute judgment. For all I know, I might be a real reincarnational mother, in my own right! So, I'd best not cast too many stones! I continue to suffer from future-shock, questionable religious programming, and the paralysis of analysis. I also think I might have some significant reincarnational-baggage. So, reeducating me is sort of like reinventing the wheel. I think that to really get this philosophical thing right, we need to be scholars. I'm trying, but the spiritual and emotional pressure I experience is often overwhelming. I really and truly am pretending, at this point, that I am working on a PhD in Solar System Studies and Governance. I know this sounds ridiculous, and in many ways it is, but I think we need to have this sort of a goal clearly in mind. I should really put together some sort of a curriculum, but until I do, consider all of my threads to be your homework. I will be interested to read the first doctoral dissertation based upon the works of orthodoxymoron. This might be somewhat self-aggrandizing, but I really do think that there should be this type of a doctoral study. Once again, I just might create my own doctoral program, and be the first teacher and first student - simultaneously!!


If you feel especially ambitious, consider combining the following:

1. 'The Desire of Ages' by Ellen G. White.

2. 'The Federalist Papers' (which includes the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights).

3. 'The 1962 Missal' (which includes the Latin Mass).

4. The Music of Charles Marie Widor.

5. The French Expression of Roman Catholicism.

This is not necessarily an endorsement. I'm not happy with Roman Catholicism, but I'm not happy with the Heirs of the Protestant Reformation either. Two wrongs don't make a right. The whole religion thing is a mess. I'm trying to get at the core of the theological and political issues of the past few thousand years. This is just a suggested exercise to help to accomplish this seemingly impossible task. No matter how one arranges things, there is always another, and possibly better, way to do it! It often seems as if no matter how one puts things together, it's always wrong! Am I too easy on the Roman Catholic Church? I am trying to find innovative ways to reform both Protestantism and Catholicism via Positive Reinforcement. The Secret Government, Gizeh Intelligence, the United Nations, the City of London, Washington D.C., and the Vatican MUST be reformed - or we are truly screwed. Actually, we might be anyway, but at least a proper reformation might give us a fighting chance for a few more years.

There probably has to be an arbitrary aspect to how business gets done in the world, solar system, galaxy, and universe. Do we really need an infallible 'Thus Saith the Lord'? Perhaps. But what if the 'Lord' is using God's Name in Vain? I continue to think that we need an idealistic and uncorrupted mixture of theocracy and democracy. But how is this to be accomplished without persecution and atrocity? How do we combine Responsibility and Freedom with Law and Order? People will never really agree on much of anything, will they? Is my dream of a United States of the Solar System really a recipe for galactic disaster? What if a theocracy ensured the proper operation of a U.S.S.S? Is this what would be required to avoid chaos and anarchy? If the solar system has been ruled with an iron-fist, for thousands of years, by a Queen of Heaven and God of This World, what would happen if they were replaced by a much kinder and gentler solar system governance. Would all hell break loose, even though there had been an apparent change for the better? I keep thinking that the change for the better might have to occur gradually, even though I would like for it to occur yesterday. We need to really think this thing through, because the failure to do so could get us into even worse trouble than we're already in. Remember Prince Paul, Tito, and the aftermath??


People seem to like dictators, don't they. They talk about freedom, but they always seem to delegate their responsibility to some damn megalomaniac. We seem to worship power, don't we? What if the True and Living God is not a God of Power and Might? We'd probably reject them in favor of some two-bit dictator! We might even select Satan! Hell! Haven't we already done that over and over and over again??? Will we ever learn??? The general public seems to be as problematic as the elites and regressives. The whole thing stinks, from top to bottom. I really like Bill Cooper. I don't think he got everything right, but I think he got 99% of the key issues right. We need to transcend the secret government, rather than fighting with it. We need to make the secret government obsolete. I don't have a problem with 'crowd control' or with the human race being managed, educated, and disciplined in a kind, fair, and orderly manner. What I object to is irresponsible management and cruel exploitation. The present campaign and election/selection process is a mockery of proper decision-making. The PhD requirement for representatives would help, but perhaps voters should have to get a two-year degree in voting. To do ANYTHING, one should have to prove that they know what they're doing.

Perhaps I have to be satisfied with caring enough to research and reflect, yet not care if no one cares about the products of my research and reflection. If I sang songs, the people would cheer (and I might make lots of money), but there is no cheering here. Believe it or not, I really can compose and sing popular songs. I haven't pursued this, but judging from the results of my internet activities, this might've been a better option. As a teenager and young-adult, I actually was a family friend of a very successful Hollywood musical insider, but I didn't even think about pursuing music at the time. Now it's too late. Maybe in my next life. Solving the solar system's problems is not a marketable job skill. Especially with no degree, no badge, and no articulately-pushy personality. I'm not really personally hurt by this, but I am very worried that common-sense is so uncommon, and responsibility is so unrewarded, that we really might end up in a full-fledged New World Order situation, with both the elites and the general-public to blame, while the 'regressives' laugh all the way to the Bank of Sirius. Again, it hasn't been so much that people have disagreed with me, it's that there has been very little serious discussion over any significant period of time. This has been, and continues to be, a test. This is only a test. But I suspect that even with a larger potential audience, the results would be the same. Perhaps we do have to be manipulated from the shadows with entertainment combined with things which frighten us and make us angry. Problem. Reaction. Solution. Entertainment. We are so predictable and so easily manipulated and exploited. Will we ever learn? I have my doubts. Once again, perhaps I should just relax, and enjoy the global societal meltdown. A lot of this is so sad, that it's actually funny. OK, this is silly and stupid. I need to stop like I said I was going to. I just keep hoping that things will start making sense, and start improving, so I keep posting. But I really do need to stop, and recover from my nervous breakdown. Seriously, there are legitimate reasons why people go to sleep, and stay asleep. I guess this is why I am hesitant to wake people up just enough to push them over the edge and into having a nervous breakdown, followed by running in the streets, doing something stupid, and getting put in a FEMA camp, after losing their job, getting divorced and attempting suicide. I'm very, very serious about what I just said. I consider this forum to not be populated by the general public, which is why I post as freely as I do. And believe me, I could be a helluva lot more provocative and controversial. I am looking for top-down solutions, rather than a lot of 'make the masses mad solutions'. People who try to help by standing for the right, though the heavens fall, have emotional problems and are a threat to national security, don't you know. Some people just can't accept the insanity, like normal human beings. You're tearing me apart!


We need to eliminate debt throughout the whole world, in the public and private sectors. We need to pay as we go. Perhaps interest and debt should be outlawed at some point. What should happen to all of the corrupt millionaires and billionaires? How can justice be achieved? What are the wages of the sin of the non-compassionate use of accumulated wealth? At what point does wealth become anti-competitive? I have been arguing against deliberately inflicted earth-changes and extermination events, but on the other hand, there should probably be some VERY SERIOUS consequences for the reprehensible activities of probably hundreds of millions of human beings. What about reincarnational karmic-debt? What are the wages of sin, especially when one adds 15% interest over thousands and thousands of years??? I have HUGE problems with capital-punishment, but I have very little problem with extended periods of incarceration, where prisoners work their butts off to pay for their imprisonment. I have a soft side, but I have a very hard side as well. Again, I am seeking Responsibility and Freedom in the Context of Law and Order. I am both liberal and conservative, depending on the issue. Don't try to pigeonhole me. It won't work. I grind slowly, but I grind exceedingly fine. Ethical People Must Dominate Business, Politics, and Religion. Compete Without Ceasing With Positive Response Ability. Put the Unethical People Out of Business, Politics, and Religion. We Need to Take Off the Gloves and Take Care of Business. We Shall Overcome.


I continue to think that religion and theology are important, even if you don't believe in God, or don't go to church. I keep going on and on about the Roman Catholic Church because all roads lead to Rome, and the RCC is the biggest game in town. It cannot be ignored, regardless of whether one likes it or not. One cannot properly understand this crazy world without considering church and state, politics and religion, and how they interact with each other. We need to be honest about both the positive and negative information we uncover. I tend to be pretty general about all of this, because I mostly wish to point people in productive and constructive directions, rather than leading them around by the hooks in their noses, and trying to make money doing so. Even if 95% of religion is BS (I don't know that it is), what about the 5% that isn't BS??? BTW, the church which John Dominic Crossan is interviewed in sure looks like the First United Methodist Church in Hollywood, California (Franklin and Highland). It's a really cool church I used to attend sporadically. They have a cool four-manual Casavant pipe-organ with trompettes-enchamade located on each side of the front of the balcony (which features very steep seating beneath a large and beautiful stained-glass window). It was built around 1930. They also have a huge carillon. This church has been used for a lot of television shows and motion-pictures. You didn't need to know all of that, now did you??!! I like John Dominic Crossan. He has done a significant amount of work with the notorious 'Jesus Seminar'.


I have refined the concept of love into the word 'responsibility'. I tend to doubt the substitutionary atonement, and I tend to believe that we simply need to become more and more ethical, rather than depending on a human-sacrifice to get us off the hook with God. I lean heavily upon the Teachings of Jesus, but I recognize that there are many hard-sayings contained in the words attributed to Jesus. The Book of Enoch is very interesting to me, although I am somewhat repulsed by all of the fighting, retribution, and utter-destruction. To me, the Roman Catholic Church should have followed the Teachings of Jesus, instead of using Peter and Apostolic Succession as a way to avoid having to obey what Jesus taught. It was more convenient to keep Jesus nailed to the cross, while Mary (wearing the pants) and the Pope (wearing the crown) ruled the church and the world. Perhaps that last sentence is too harsh, but that's how I feel, regardless of whether I'm right or wrong. It just seems as if they used one text from the Teachings of Jesus (in a rather strained manner) to get out of having to deal with ALL of the Words of Christ. Again, just my impression. One more thing. Where do Paul and the other New Testament Writers quote the Teachings of Jesus, and base their messages upon these teachings by employing expository preaching???????? Which Christian church, in 2,000 years of Christianity, has made the Teachings of Jesus their doctrinal statement, and sole foundation of faith and practice????????

I like listening to Gregorian Chant, Sacred Classical Music, and Latin Masses, even though I have HUGE theological problems with Roman Catholicism and the Mass (Latin or otherwise). However, if the Mass were interpreted solely by the words attributed to Christ, this would be a HUGE improvement. I don't know why I even bother with any of this. NOBODY will go for what I'm proposing. The Catholic-Haters aren't going to change their minds. The Roman Catholic Faithful are not going to change their minds. And God knows, the Curia and the Pope aren't going to do an about-face! This is a monumental waste of time. But really, I do like the formal mysticism and solemn grandeur of the Latin Mass, especially when properly accompanied by Gregorian Chant and French Romantic choral and organ music. I try to base my theology upon the words attributed to Jesus, rather than upon this or that council or pope. I'm leaning heavily toward nearly 2,000 years of Sede-Vacante. Has there been even one pope in 2,000 years who strictly followed the Red-Letter Teachings of Jesus? Were they rightly representing the absent Christ, and faithfully carrying out the Great Commission? Were they rather following someone other than Jesus? I like the idea of taking a long, hard look at history - and then positively reinforcing the best of the past. Why not positively reinforce the best of Babylon, Egypt, Greece, Rome, the Old World Order, and the New World Order? I'm trying not to just write off the past as a mostly failed experiment. I'm also trying to keep this world from being destroyed. Somehow, we need to responsibly create utopia in our own backyard. Perhaps this would be a good time to read or re-read 'The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire'. Sin is irresponsibility in its root and fruit. There are many definitions and manifestations, but sin is real and hideous, disguise it as one might try. What is the absolute standard of morality? What are the consequences of not knowing what the absolute standard of morality is? What are the implications and ramifications of rebelling against the absolute standard of morality? These are serious questions which demand definitive answers. There's a difference between an answer, and a convincing answer. Just because most clergy don't know the difference between a bottomless-pit and an anatomical black-hole doesn't mean that there isn't a pure and refined form of religion and politics. I consider religious-ritual to be a liturgical-discipline, rather than being redemptive in any way, shape, or form.

orthodoxymoron wrote: Perhaps a Flat-Sun Revolves Around a Flat-Earth. Perhaps a Flat-Moon is Made of Swiss-Cheese. Perhaps the Dinosaurs Ate Too Much Cheese -- and Became Extinct. Perhaps Stars Don't Exist -- Which is Why There Are No Stars in Photos Taken on the Moon. Perhaps Astronomy is a Vast Right-Wing Reptilian-Conspiracy Created by the Vatican. Perhaps David Icke is the Antichrist. Was Blind -- But Now I See. "I See!!" Said the Blind-Man As He Picked-Up the Hammer and Sawed His Head Off. How Can We Say "World Without End" if the Earth is Flat?? "I Love Uranus -- Because It's So Flat!!" "Don't Let the Door Hit You Where the Lord Split You!!"  

B.B.Baghor wrote:

Ortho's words: "Perhaps a Flat-Moon is Made of Swiss-Cheese".

I do love that original Mooncheese picture, ortho! I think you're right, shaking up this thread with humour a bit. Your post
makes me feel like that if no humour is allowed when discussing the evidence of a flat or round planet earth, things are get-
ting a bit too Sirius for me to join posting happily again. I know I'm going about it in a round and round and round..... about
manner. Not to gruntle or disgruntle, it's simply my style of investigating, in this case of probing a lot in the unknown, sort of.

I see this similar to the questioning mind of Seashore, going from A to B, finding a new question in the joining of A and B, to
arrive at C going through the alphabeth maybe. The more we know, coming from facts that are taken for granted, the more
we seem to have to question, for it's a big turn from round to flat, for our brain, to begin questioning. That's where my
interest is awakened. Is this abacadabra or hooka pooka to any of you?

Sometimes, to shake ourselves loose from fixed beliefs, we may have to visit unfamiliar territory and use an associative style.
If that's perceived as off topic, ridicule or derisive, I think there might be a fixed belief at the bottom of that opinion and that's
just not what the doctor orders in this discussion, as I see it, says Nurse Superior. There's no one I can see here in the Mists,
making a fool of him/herself, for no one is aiming at being one or making one of an other. And if I feel I'm made a fool, it's good
excersize for my immune system.  

To properly discuss the evidence of a flat or round planet Earth, I think we need to give both possibilities a fair chance. Other-
wise it's no different from a religious war. You ortho, keep asking yourself all the time and start in your posts often with "perhaps".
That is teaching me a lesson. Perhaps I'm too sirius now?

Thank-you B.B. My starting point is quite conservative -- and it is only through semi-deep study and reflection that I become liberal, heretical, and irreverent. You know -- it's sort of like partying with a bunch of Harvard and Yale Divinity Professors!! They've all done their homework -- but most of them are probably rather cynical and skeptical -- until they've had a few drinks -- and had a few dances -- and then they joke and laugh about various issues -- regardless of how serious these issues might really be. I once told a Harvard Divinity School Graduate that "Jesus is an Institutionalized Liberal!!" He didn't even smile!! I once made a newspaper-columnist laugh by saying "The Schiavo Case was a No-Brainer!!" I shouldn't have -- but I just couldn't resist!! Sometimes I think about Dave Ferrie in the movie JFK. He studied to be a Catholic-Priest -- but got defrocked because of a bad-habit. He got involved with organized-crime -- Lee Harvey Oswald -- and he knew all about who killed Kennedy. Every other word was a swear-word -- spoken through his cigarette-smoking lips. He was a nervous-wreck!! I sometimes joke about imagining being a Renegade French-Jesuit Organist!! Perhaps there are some parallels with all of the above!!

I wish to remind everyone that I've been told that we need to start over (in an eschatological sense). Most days, I just want to cry -- and even scream. If you feel otherwise, you simply do not grasp the extreme difficulties facing humanity and the managers of humanity. I feel defeated -- yet I keep thrashing about -- for who knows what reasons?! Hope springs eternal, I suppose. Once again -- I'm suggesting that some of us need to read the following sources very carefully -- regardless of any difficulties and inconsistencies:

1. Prophets and Kings by Ellen White.
2. Job through Daniel (KJV).
3. The Desire of Ages by Ellen White.

What REALLY emerges from a VERY careful study?? If one is honest -- this is extremely complex and intricate material -- in rather profound ways. But is a lot of it historical-fiction and wishful-thinking?? Once again -- how do we REALLY know anything of significance regarding Antiquity and the Other-Worldly?? Privately studying this stuff is one thing -- but making everyone study and follow it is quite another (to say the least)!! Consider the Royal-Model Queen-Theme!! What Would Delenn Say?? What Would Vala Mal Doran Say?? What Would Daniel Jackson Say?? There might be more to what I just said than you think!! This whole thing is really a war -- and I don't think things are going to improve anytime soon. Just try to be "nice". Can't we all just get along?? I didn't think so. I almost don't care about responses or notice, at this point. I simply wish to place certain things on the record -- and I'm sure that everything I say, do, and type is recorded somehow -- but I'm apprehensive regarding how all of it will be used against me in the Final-Judgment. Consider John Strugnell.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Strugnell John Strugnell (May 25, 1930 – November 30, 2007) was born in Barnet, Hertfordshire, UK. At the age of 23 he became the youngest member of the team of scholars led by Roland de Vaux, formed in 1954 to edit the Dead Sea Scrolls in Jerusalem. He was studying Oriental languages at Jesus College, Oxford when Sir Godfrey Rolles Driver, a lecturer in Semitic philology, nominated him to join the Scrolls editorial team. Although Strugnell had no previous experience in palaeography he learned very quickly to read the scrolls. He would be involved in the Dead Sea Scrolls project for more than forty years.[1] John Strugnell died in Boston, Massachusetts, on November 30, 2007. Strugnell was educated at St. Paul's School in London. He took a double first in Classics and Semitics at Oxford but never finished his dissertation and only held a master's degree. Despite not having completed his doctorate, Strugnell was given a position at the Oriental Institute of Chicago in 1956-1957, where he met his future wife, Cecile Pierlot, whose father had been Prime Minister of Belgium during the Second World War. He was away from his scrolls again from 1960 to 1967, this time at Duke University, though he returned in summers to continue his efforts in Jerusalem. Still without his doctorate, as he would be for the rest of his life, Strugnell served from 1966-1991 as Professor of Christian Origins at Harvard.[2] He succeeded Pierre Benoit as editor-in-chief of the scrolls in 1984, a position he held until 1990. During this period he was responsible for bringing Elisha Qimron and Emanuel Tov to work on the scrolls, breaking the longstanding exclusion of Israeli scholars.[1] At the same time, he kept notable scholars such as Theodor Gaster and Robert Eisenman from having access to the scrolls, a situation that was rectified when Strugnell was removed from his post and the scrolls (such as those at the Huntington Library in California) were opened to the wider scholarly community for the first time.[3][4]

His production of editions of texts was not large, but the texts which he did publish were all exceptionally important, including "The Angelic Liturgy", later published as Songs of the Sabbath Sacrifices (Shirot 'olat ha-Shabbat), and "An Unpublished halakhic Letter from Qumran", later known as MMT [or 4QMMT] from the Hebrew (Miqtsat Ma'asei ha-Torah), this latter text being edited with Elisha Qimron, who did much of the work. These texts helped to enrich scholarly knowledge of the cultus of the writers of the Dead Sea Scrolls. Nevertheless, he was a slow worker and the times had changed since it was acceptable to keep the scrolls protected from what was once considered misuse and hasty publication.

For many years, scholars had accepted the lack of access to unpublished texts and the slow publication of the texts. This changed during Strugnell's editorship, for there came a growing movement of scholars calling for access to the Scrolls. By this time his health had deteriorated. Only one volume was produced under his general editorship, The Greek Minor Prophets Scroll from Nahal Hever, by Emanuel Tov.

In 1990, Strugnell gave an interview to Ha'aretz in which he said that Judaism was a "horrible religion" which "should not exist". He also said that Judaism was "a Christian heresy, and we deal with our heretics in different ways. You are a phenomenon that we haven't managed to convert — and we should have managed."[5][not in citation given]

There was immediate condemnation of his comments, including an editorial in the New York Times. As a result of the interview, Strugnell was forced to take early retirement on medical grounds at Harvard,[2] and he was finally removed from his editorial post on the scrolls project, the Antiquities Authority citing his deteriorating health as reason for his removal.[5]

Strugnell later said that he was suffering from stress-induced alcoholism and manic depression when he gave the interview. He insisted that his remarks were taken out of context, and he only meant "horrible" in the Miltonian sense of "deplored in antiquity". In a 2007 interview in Biblical Archaeology Review, Frank Moore Cross said that despite Strugnell's comments, which were based on a theological argument of the early Church Fathers that Christianity superseded Judaism, Strugnell had very friendly relationships with a number of Jewish scholars, some of whom signed a letter of support for him which was published in the Chicago Tribune, January 4, 1991, pg. N20.

Strugnell had come increasingly under controversy for his slow progress in publishing the scrolls, and his refusal to give scholars free access to the unpublished scrolls. Some[who?] argue the removal of Strugnell from his editorial post ended the more than three-decade blockade that he and other Harvard-educated scholars, such as Notre Dame's Eugene Ulrich, had maintained to keep other scholars from accessing the scrolls.[6] The blockade on the publication of the scrolls effected by Strugnell and other members of Harvard's academic community was broken by the combined efforts of Hershel Shanks of the Biblical Archaeology Review (who had personally waged a 15-year campaign to release the scrolls) and Ben Zion Wacholder of Hebrew Union College, along with his student, Martin Abegg, who published the first facsimile of the suppressed scrolls in 1991.[7] Strugnell insisted that he tried to publish the scrolls as quickly as he could but that his team was the limiting factor.

Shortly after Strugnell was dismissed from his post, he was institutionalized in McLean Hospital for a period. At the time of his death, he was Professor Emeritus at the Harvard Divinity School.

In 2003, City Seminary of Sacramento acquired Strugnell's library of over 4,000 volumes, including texts on Hebrew, Aramaic, Syriac, Ethiopic — as well as works on Greek and Latin, and large sections on classical studies, Patristics (Early Church writings), apocryphal and pseudepigraphal (falsely attributed) literature, and books on Judaism, Christianity, Hebrew Bible and New Testament studies. A highlight of the collection is Strugnell’s personal copy of the Dead Sea Scrolls concordance. The early scrolls team made a concordance of the words in the unpublished texts to assist their own work.[8][9]

References

1.^ Jump up to: a b Sidnie White Crawford, "John Strugnell (1930–2007)" Obituary, Bible History Daily, Biblical Archaeology Society (11 December 2007). Retrieved 22-11-2013.
2.^ Jump up to: a b The Times obituary December 29, 2007
3.Jump up ^ John Noble Wilford, "John Strugnell, Scholar Undone by His Slur, Dies at 77," The New York Times (December 9 2007). Retrieved 22-11-2013.
4.Jump up ^ John Noble Wilford, "Open, Dead Sea Scrolls Stir Up New Disputes," The New York Times (April 19 1992). Retrieved 22-11-2013.
5.^ Jump up to: a b "Scrolls' Editor Is Formally Dismissed," The New York Times (January 1, 1991). Retrieved 22-11-2013.
6.Jump up ^ 'Copies Of Dead Sea Scrolls To Go Public -- Release Would End Scholars' Dispute' - The Seattle Times 22 September 1991
7.Jump up ^ James R. Adair, Jr, "Old and New in Textual Criticism: Similarities, Differences, and Prospects for Cooperation," A Journal of Biblical Textual Criticism (1996)]
8.Jump up ^ Strugnell Collection in the City Seminary of Sacramento[dead link]
9.Jump up ^ Detroit Jewish News
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The Meaning of the Dead Sea Scrolls, James VanderKam and Peter Flint, HarperSanFransisco, 2002.
"Headliners: Fallen Scholar", New York Times, Week in Review, December 16, 1990
Ron Rosenbaum, "The Riddle of the Scrolls", Vanity Fair, reprinted in The Secret Parts of Fortune


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Eisenman Robert Eisenman is an American biblical scholar, theoretical writer, historian, archaeologist, and "road" poet. He is currently Professor of Middle East Religions, Archaeology, and Islamic Law and director of the Institute for the Study of Judaeo-Christian Origins at California State University Long Beach.

Eisenman led the campaign to free up access to the Dead Sea Scrolls in the 1980s and 90s, and, as a result of this campaign, is associated with the theory that combines Essenes with Palestinian messianism (or what some might refer to as "Palestinian Christianity") — a theory opposed to establishment or consensus scholarship. His views in the field of Christian origins are highly controversial, with critics accusing Eisenman of backing up his allegations with "dubious circumstantial evidence and insinuations".[1]

Before this, Eisenman spent five years "on the road" in the USA, Europe, and the Middle East as far as India, encapsulating all these things in his poetic travel Diario (1959–62), published in 2007 by North Atlantic Books, Berkeley, California and called The New Jerusalem, in which he describes the San Francisco "Beat" scene in 1958–59, Paris when still a "moveable feast", working on kibbutzim in Israel, the Peace Corps, and several voyages on the overland route to India.

Eisenman is from New Jersey. His brother is deconstructionist architect Peter Eisenman — best known for his design of the Holocaust Memorial in Berlin, the Visitor’s Center at Santiago de Compostela in Spain, and the Arizona Cardinal Football Stadium.

Eisenman (like Thomas Pynchon[2]) majored for two and a half years in Engineering Physics (a course which was intended to prepare students to enter nuclear physics), graduated B.A. from Cornell University in Physics and Philosophy in 1958. He received an M.A. Degree in Hebrew and Near Eastern Studies with Abraham Katsh from New York University in 1966.[3] He received a Ph.D. Degree from Columbia University in Middle East Languages and Cultures in 1971 with a Minor in Jewish Studies and a Major in Islamic Law where he studied with Joseph Schacht. He was a National Endowment for the Humanities Fellow at the American Schools of Oriental Research, Jerusalem, Israel, 1985–86 and, in 1986–87, he was a Senior Research Fellow at the Oxford Centre for Hebrew and Jewish Studies, Oxford, England.

He is Professor of Middle East Religions, Archaeology, and Islamic Law and the Director of the Institute for the Study of Judeo-Christian and Islamic Origins at California State University Long Beach. He is also a Visiting Senior Member of Linacre College, Oxford University, and was a National Endowment for the Humanities Fellow at the Albright Institute of Archaeological Research (American Schools of Oriental Research) in Jerusalem.

Eisenman grew up in South Orange, New Jersey and went to Columbia High School in Maplewood, but skipped his senior year to take up an acceptance in the Engineering Physics Department at Cornell University. In his junior year Eisenman moved, first to Philosophy to study with Max Black, then on to Comparative Literature (John Senior), and then back to Philosophy to graduate in 1958 with a major in Aesthetics and a minor in Physics.

Eisenman left college and immediately took to the road (it was the time of Jack Kerouac’s On the Road published the previous year 1957), but now not nationally, internationally. People who knew him then say he was the first to introduce American tennis shoes — substitutes for his college "white bucks" — as white walking shoes to Europe (see the picture at right)[4] and the first American “backpacker” they ever saw (Australians, New Zealanders, and assorted Europeans had been doing it earlier).[5]

Stopping in Paris, he spent the Fall in Alt Aussee in Austria; and from there down to Vienna, Greece, Athens, and ultimately Hydra Island, where he was entertained by the Norwegian writer and poet Axel Jensen and his wife Marianne (later immortalized by Leonard Cohen in his song “So Long, Marianne”).

Having been accepted for graduate study in Comparative Literature at UC Berkeley, Eisenman returned to the U.S. via Paris and Cape Cod and ultimately went across the country by Greyhound Bus to San Francisco where he found a room on Russian Hill and tested the scene at North Beach. When he finally went across the Bay to register at UC Berkeley, what he saw reminded him so much of Cornell (Bermuda shorts, bobby socks, fraternities/sororities, etc. – this was a decade before the Free Speech Movement there) that he ripped up his computer punch cards right on the Registration line in the Armory and tossed them into a wastepaper basket.[6]

He then hitchhiked back across the country[7] and returned to Paris. From 1959 to 1960, Eisenman stayed at “the Beat Hotel” where he encountered the likes of William Burroughs, Gregory Corso, et al.,[8] but he was not really interested in these sorts of persons or their scene. All this he documents in The New Jerusalem: A Millennium Poetic/Prophetic Travel Diario, 1959–62,[9] published in 2007 and taken directly from the Free verse notebooks he kept during this period, which he in his "Introduction" and his publishers on the back cover both call "an Anti-Beat Manifesto".[10]

He then went on to Israel and Jerusalem, where he had the epiphany of encountering members of his family of whom he had previously never heard (his great grandfather had gone to Jerusalem at the time of the Turks and was one of the founders of the Bikur Holim Hospital there, while his two oldest sons left him in Istanbul and came directly to America[11]), worked on Kibbutzim in the Galilee (1960–61 — he had previously worked on John F. Kennedy’s 1960 Campaign,[12]) and finally went back to join the first Peace Corps Group to go into the field. This, curiously enough, trained at the International House at UC Berkeley, so he was back to where he had started out; but while they went on to meet Kennedy on the White House lawn and to Ghana, he was flown back to New York because, as he saw it, he was on his way to India and the East not Africa.[13]

Resuming his “Passage to India,” he returned to Paris, and then on to kibbutzim in the Galilee again.[14] The next Spring, after staying in monasteries throughout Israel, and a climactic fight with the future Israeli “Peace Pilot” at the California Café in Tel Aviv;[15] Eisenman made the last overland run from Cyprus, across Turkey, Iran, Beluchistan, and Pakistan by bus, train, and boat to India, where he ended his journey as a guest of, and sleeping in, the Jewish Synagogue of New Delhi,[16] most of whose members were up in the Simla Hill States because it was high summer and monsoon. He returned to Paris over the Indian Ocean, up the Red Sea, and across the Mediterranean.[17]

From about 1986 onwards, Eisenman became the leading figure in the struggle to release and free the Dead Sea Scrolls. The Scrolls had been discovered from 1948 to 1956 in several waves, but after a suggestive article by literary critic Edmund Wilson in The New Yorker magazine,[18] editing more or less ground to a halt from about 1959 onwards.[19]

This is not to say the Scrolls were not out. The Israelis had been very forthcoming with the first Scrolls that came into their possession from Cave I.[20] It was the Scrolls from later caves discovered like III-XI, which came in after 1948 and Partition and on-site excavations by persons like Dominican Father Roland de Vaux, which were the problem. In 1985–86, Eisenman, who had written his first book presenting, as he called it, “A New Theory of Qumran Origins” in 1983[21] and a follow-up on James as Righteous Teacher in 1985,[22] received a National Endowment for the Humanities Fellowship at the Albright Institute of Archaeological Research in Jerusalem (also known as “the American School") where Cave I Scrolls had first come in and been photographed in 1947–48.[23]

Ostensibly he was to work on a project comparing the Jerusalem Community of James the Just to the Community at Qumran, but while at the American Schools of Oriental Research (then the Albright Institute) he found that there was nothing he could do – all paths being barred to him. Notwithstanding, he and a colleague, Philip Davies of Sheffield University, England, went in to see one of the curators of the Shrine of the Book and were told categorically, “You will not see the Scrolls in your lifetime.”[24] Subsequently he came into possession of the complete computer print-out of all the Scrolls in possession of the Israel Antiquities Authority, both those before 1967 and those afterwards at the Rockefeller Museum and, not three years later, a complete photographic archive of all previously unpublished materials from Cave IV all the way up to Cave XI.

He sent a copy of this computer-generated print-out to the Editor of Biblical Archaeology Review, Hershel Shanks, which created a huge stir in the office and the campaign to free the Scrolls really began in earnest.[25]

During his stay at Oxford University as a Senior Fellow at the Oxford Centre for Hebrew and Jewish Studies and a Visiting Senior Member of Linacre College in 1986–87, a colleague had also passed him a xerox copy of 4QMMT, a document which had been talked about but which no one outside the inner circle had ever been allowed to see. This, too, he freely shared with anyone who wanted to see it as part of the campaign,[26] and, thereafter, it made the rounds.[27]

At this time, too, he brought James Robinson – a colleague of his at Claremont University and the Editor of the Nag Hammadi Codices (a dispute similar to the Qumran one)[28] – into the mix and together they took the decision to publish all the unpublished photographs. This amounted to 1785 plates. The original publication (in microfiche form) was supposed to occur in April, 1991 through EJ Brill in Leiden, the Netherlands.

However, a few weeks before publication, Brill's representative had attended a Scrolls Conference in Madrid, Spain and mistook the uproar there over Kapera’s publication the year before in Poland of the samizdat copy of 4QMMT he had received from Davies for a dispute over freedom of access to the Scrolls generally. Following this, newly appointed Israeli representatives came to Leiden and talked the Brill publishers out of the Eisenman/Robinson microfiche project and into a newly conceived one of their own.[29] So Eisenman and Robinson had to fall back on the offices of Hershel Shanks and the Biblical Archaeology Society who were unwilling to go to press before October/November of that year.[30] The publication was contracted by public interest attorney William John Cox.[31]

While all these things were going on, Eisenman had been invited to become a consultant to the Huntington Library in San Marino, California, which had become aware that it had in its archive a collection of photographs of all the Dead Sea Scrolls, donated to it by Elizabeth Bechtel. The late William Moffett, its Director, asked whether he thought the Library should open its archive to all scholars. He was projecting this for September, two months before Eisenman's and Robinson’s own projected B.A.S. Edition. Eisenman encouraged him to do so, though he knew the Library would get most of the credit for breaking the monopoly and Robinson and he very little.[32]

Since 1988, Eisenman has led the Judean Desert Explorations/Excavations Project under the auspices of the Institute for the Study of Judeo-Christian Origins at CSULB he headed. These expeditions included students from CSULB and other institutions. Its aim was to search for possible new caves that might contain scrolls. It was his feeling that, though the Bedouins in their enthusiasm to find artifacts had clearly been in almost all accessible caves, there might have been others, inaccessible to them or hidden in some manner or cave-ins. These were the best possibilities of finding new Scrolls.

In the first expedition, between 1988 and 1989, he and his students were involved in the excavation of a cave a kilometer or two south of Qumran, in which they found some Bronze Age artifacts, including an arrow that had evidently been shot into the cave, which still displayed its lacquer rings and feather marks, an oil jug, and the wooden remains possibly of a plough.

From 1989 to 1992 Eisenman and his students conducted a walking survey of the entire Dead Sea shore and its environs from seven kilometers north of Qumran to thirty-five kilometers south, past Wadi Murabba'at, to the Northern limits of Ein Gedi, mapping the whole area. In this survey they went into some 485 caves and depressions.[33]

In 1990–91, with the help of author Michael Baigent[34] and radar groundscan specialist Tony Wood, he conducted the first radar groundscan of the Qumran plateau, its ruins and, in particular, the top of the various marls, including Caves 4–6 where he felt there was the best chance of finding hidden pockets that previously might not have been visible. Ground-scanning on the marls and below Cave VI did point to several such pockets and seemingly empty areas in the marls adjourning Cave IV.[35]

In 2001–03, his teams joined an expedition led by Hanan Eshel and Magen Broshi and sponsored by John Merrill and the B.A.S. In the course of this expedition, two of his students, Dennis Walker and Ron Dubay, excavated a small building on the eastern edge of the Qumran Cemetery. They found that it contained bones: two secondary burials (and the next year one primary burial was uncovered beneath this).[36] This was an extremely important find, as was the rare zinc sarcophagus found elsewhere in the graveyard, others of his students were involved in uncovering, cleaning, and unearthing. The next year everyone went back to do more work on the enclosure and the bones it contained and to further survey the graveyard at Qumran, which evolved into the first comprehensive map of the Qumran settlement and adjacent cemetery.[37]

In 2004, they had the opportunity to return and investigate the empty areas in the marls of Cave IV, but with little result.[38]

Eisenman claims that the preconceptions of the group of scholars around Father Roland De Vaux who first worked on the Dead Sea Scrolls led them to erroneously date the non-biblical, sectarian community documents to the Maccabean period, and to read them as the writings of a serene, retiring community of Essene monks exiled to the wilderness in the course of a dispute with the reigning priesthood of the day led by the "Wicked Priest"/"Spouter of Lying."[39]

Eisenman reads the attitude of these documents as militant, nationalistic and zealous and places them not in the Maccabean period but the later, Herodian era (c. 35 BCE to 70 CE and beyond), which means the establishment priesthood that they opposed was the collaborating, compromising, corrupt Herodian priesthood. He sees parallels between the political, religious and ethical stance of these sectarian documents and that of James the brother of Jesus, whom he identifies as the scrolls' Teacher of Righteousness, and sees 'the Wicked Priest' and 'the Man of Lying' as two different adversaries of the scroll community, the Wicked Priest being the High Priest Ananus ben Ananus, James' executioner, and the Man of Lying, St. Paul.

He is critical of the ways radiocarbon dating and paleography have been employed to date the Dead Sea Scrolls, and relies instead on his interpretation of the content of the scrolls despite this being at a clash with scientific consensus.[40] He claims to find parallels between the James-Jesus first century milieu and the scrolls' repeated allusion to "the Star Prophecy", the aggressiveness of the War Scroll and similar documents, the hiding of the Jerusalem Temple treasure as delineated in the Copper Scroll,[41] the description of foreign armies (the Kittim) invading on a much more massive scale than any Hellenistic invasion during the Maccabean period,[42] and the reference to themselves several times as "the Congregation," "Church of the Poor" and Ebionites (“the Poor”), the name of James’ community as described in Early Church literature and by Paul.[43] Eisenman lays particular emphasis on the scroll community's description of the Kittim's military and religious practices in their interpretation of Habakkuk 2:2–2:4 (the Habakkuk Commentary) as "sacrificing to their standards and worshiping their weapons of War", and their reference to Roman “tax-farming” across the whole of the civilized world.[44]

The recourse to an interpretation of Habakkuk 2:4 (“the Righteous shall live by his Faith”), the center piece and real building block of all Christian theology both in the Pauline corpus (Romans, Galatians, et al.) and in the Epistle of James he sees as proof positive that these documents were written more or less contemporaneously and at a time when this prophecy or proof-text was in play.[45]

In addition, he sees the interpretation in the Habakkuk Commentary at Qumran, seemingly written in the latter part of the Community’s history and witnessing its fall and the fall of the Jerusalem Temple (c. 70 CE), as ‘Jamesian’ as opposed to ‘Pauline’.[46] That is, first of all it is confined to “Jews” or, in the language of the Commentary, “the House of Judah,” and second of all, it applies only to “Torah-doing” Jews (“doing” here, the basis of the Hebrew word for “works” throughout the Qumran corpus and also being an extremely important usage in the Epistle of James), that is, it does not apply to “non-Torah-doing Jews” and certainly not "non-Torah-doing Gentiles."[47]

For Eisenman this is a direct riposte and a rejection of the Pauline interpretation of this prophecy, and the basis of the Pauline theology one finds in Galatians and Romans and actually, in fact, seemingly argued against in the extant Epistle of James whether seen as authentic, not authentic, or just part of ‘the Jamesian School’; and, therefore, Eisenman claims, a chronological indicator for the document as a whole.[48]

Finally, he points to the fact that there are even collections of messianic proof-texts at Qumran which include, for instance, the Star Prophecy of Numbers 24:17 which Josephus, at the end of the Jewish War, singles out as the reason for the outbreak of the revolt, and even one dedicated to “the Promises to the Seed” or “House of David.”[49] For Eisenman the Dead Sea Scrolls are Messianic, it being not properly appreciated just how messianic the Scrolls actually are. They represent "the literature of the Messianic Movement in Palestine" which he prefers to the usage “Christianity in Palestine".

Though, one might call them “Essene”, one must take the definition for this from what the Scrolls themselves say, not necessarily what others think or say the Essenes were. Hippolytus, for instance, possibly preserving an alternate version of Josephus, thinks there are two or even three groups of “Essenes”, “Zealot” or “Sicarii Essenes”, and for Eisenman, this is a better definition of what the Essenes were than the more normative ones people are familiar with.[50] For him the Essenes are what Christians were in Palestine before ‘the Movement’ went overseas and was Paulinized, turning it into the mirror opposite of what it was in Palestine before the fall of the Temple.

For him, Acts confirms this, averring that “Christians were first called Christians” in Antioch in Syria in the mid-Fifties AD.[51] As opposed to this, he considers the more historically-oriented sectarian or later documents of the Dead Sea Scrolls to be the messianically inspired literature of a pietist, Law-oriented, and nationalistic Party in opposition to Roman/Herodian rule in Palestine which uses the language as “Sons of Zadok” (in some vocabularies, “Sadducees”) or “Zaddikim (צדיקים),” a derivate usage, in referring to itself or even “Messianic Sadducees”, as opposed to “Herodian Sadducees” pictured in both the New Testament and Josephus.

With his attempts to get free access to the Scrolls, Eisenman claims he was the first to call for AMS Carbon dating the Dead Sea Scrolls[52] (although one of the earliest carbon dating tests was performed November 14, 1950 on a piece of linen from Qumran Cave 1, producing a date range being 167 BCE - 233 CE.)[53] Libby had first started using the dating method in 1946 and early testing required relatively large samples that were destroyed, so testing on scrolls only became feasible when methods used in the dating process were improved upon.[54] F. E. Zeuner carried out tests on date palm wood from the Qumran site yielding a date range of 70 BCE - 90 CE.[55] In 1963 Libby tested a sample from the Isaiah Scroll, which gave a range between 200 BCE - 1 CE.[56] This proposal was contained in a series of letters to John Strugnell, Eisenman wrote with Philip R. Davies of Sheffield University in England and copied to Amir Drori, the Head of the Israel Antiquities Authority.[57]

Not two months after he and Davies made this request to the Antiquities Authority, to which they attached a recent article about AMS radiocarbon techniques, it announced its intention to run just such tests. Eisenmann was not mentioned as having initiated the tests. He and Davies had included in their letter to the IAA a caveat, that "Opposition Scholars" be included in process because they claimed it was they who felt the most need for the tests and they who could identify which documents should be tested.[58] Nevertheless, Eisenman and Davies were not included in the testing process. Eisenmann disputes the findings of these tests [59] despite their 2-sigma accuracy, which amounts to an accuracy of around 99%.

As far as Eisenman is concerned, James the Just, the individual Paul actually refers to as either "brother of Jesus" or “the brother of the Lord,”[60] is the historical character who exhibits the most in common with “the Teacher of Righteousness" pictured at Qumran and he considers that these events are the ones vividly portrayed in the Habakkuk Commentary. Historically speaking, it is this character who led the “Opposition Movement,” including Essenes, Zealots, Sicarii, and/or Nazoreans — even Ebionites — and who, as “Zaddik" (צדיק), i. e., “the Zaddik of the Opposition Movement,” about whom all these groups revolved until his death at the hands of the High Priest Ananus ben Ananus in 62 CE as described both in Josephus and Early Church literature.[61] For him, the popularity of James and the illegality of the manner of his death at the hands of the Herodians, establishment High Priesthood, and Pharisees in 62 CE set the stage for and possibly even triggered the First Jewish Revolt against the Rome in 66–73 CE — to say nothing of the fire in Rome, not long afterwards which, aside from his probably having set it himself,[dubious – discuss][citation needed] Nero was reported to have blamed on “Christians.”

For his part, the Jewish historian Josephus makes it clear that those he is calling “Essenes” (as opposed to these same Herodians, Sadducees, and Pharisees) participated in the uprising, willing to undergo any torture or any form of death rather than "eat things sacrificed to idols" or "break the Law."[62] For Eisenman, these “Nazoreans,” (נצרים) “Zealots,” (קנאים) “Zaddikim” (צדיקים) or “Ebionim” (אביונים) were marginalized by a Herodian named Saul (Paul of Tarsus) and the gentile Christians who followed him. This version of Christianity, as it later emerged from a gentile milieu as led by Paul, transformed the apocalyptic militancy of the Ebionite/Essene Zaddikim into a universalist peaceful doctrine. In this manner, Eisenman sees the doctrine of Christianity as largely the product of Pauline dialectic and apologetics. In so doing, Eisenman attempts to recover the authentic teaching of Jesus and/or James from the obscurity into which it seems to have been intentionally cast by resultant orthodoxy. As he puts it at the end of James the Brother of Jesus, once you have found the Historical James, you have found the Historical Jesus or alternatively, “who and whatever James was so too was Jesus”.[63]

Eisenman identifies Paul as a Herodian, calling attention to Paul's peculiar version of Judaism. A presentation seeming to represent the interests of the Herodian Dynasty in Palestine, as well as the intention to extend its influence into Asia Minor and further East into Northern Syria and Mesopotamia. He covered this in a series of papers and books beginning in 1984.[64] Offered as proof is Paul’s salutation (if authentic), at the end of the Letter to the Romans, where he sends greetings to his “kinsman Herodion” (i. e., “the Littlest Herod”) and “all those in the Household of Aristobulus” (the putative son of Herod of Chalcis and the ultimate husband of the infamous Salome – in fact, their son was “the Littlest Herod”).[65]

Proof is also found in Josephus’ picture of a curious member of the Herodian family, an individual he also calls “Saulos” who shares many characteristics in common with “Paul” in New Testament portraiture. Not only was this “Saulos” involved in an appeal of sorts to “Caesar,” he was also involved in violent behaviour in Jerusalem (although on the surface, at a somewhat later time); and it was he who made the final report to Nero in Corinth about the Roman reverses in Jerusalem which resulted in the dispatch of his best general Vespasian from Britain.[66]

Finally he found Herodian traces in Paul’s own outlook, his philosophy of “winning“ or being a “Jew to the Jews, a Law-keeper to the Law-keeper and a Law-breaker to the Law-breaker” also expressed in I Corinthians 9:19–27. In his own identification of himself as of “the Tribe of Benjamin” (Romans 11:1 and Philippians 3:5), a claim he might have felt Herodians, as Edomites, were making for themselves, and his founding “a Community where Greeks and Jews could live in harmony, etc.,” where there were “no foreign visitors,” as well as in the easy access he seems to have had to positions of power, and his own Roman citizenship.

Rounding out his arguments, Eisenman cites the matter of an unidentified “nephew” of Paul—seemingly the son of Paul’s sister, resident in Jerusalem (Cypros married to the Temple Treasurer Helcias? – see the genealogies [67]). This “nephew” has unfettered entrée to the Commander of the Roman garrison in the Tower of Antonia who, in turn, saves Paul from “Nazirite oath-taking” “Zealot”-like Jewish extremists who take an oath “not to eat or drink till they have killed Paul” (Acts 23:12–35). Eisenman identifies this individual as Julius Archelaus the son of Saulos’ sister, Cypros. Finally, consider Paul's Roman citizenship; the philosophy of paying the Roman tax to Caesar; and placing the Roman Law above the Jewish Law as an expression of “the Righteousness Commandment” of “loving your neighbor as yourself” (Romans 13:1–10).

Eisenman was the first to publicly claim that the James Ossuary was fraudulent when it originally surfaced in October, 2002 and he did this on the first day it appeared in news articles from AP and op-ed pieces as in the Los Angeles Times[68] on the basis of what the inscription actually said and not on the basis of ‘scientific’ or ‘pseudo-scientific aids like those of palaeography or patina analysis.[69]

In the first place, when he actually saw the ossuary at the AAR/SBL Conference in Toronto three weeks later, it was clear there were two separate hands on the inscription, the second patently more cursive. Secondly, even if the “Jacob the Son of Joseph” part were authentic (there being plenty of ossuaries of this kind available around Jerusalem), the second “Brother of Jesus” part would have to have been added a substantial amount of time later, either in antiquity by a pious pilgrim or in modern times, by a not-very-sophisticated forger because at the time (62 CE), Jesus – if he existed as such — would have been no more well known in Jerusalem than his putative brother James, and probably far less so; so there would have been no need to add such a rare cognomen except to please believers.

Moreover, as he said in his Los Angeles Times op ed of 10/29/02, he would have been much more impressed if the first part of the inscription had said “son of Clopas’/‘Cleophas’/‘Cephas’ or some such thing, which is how individuals connected to this family were known in Palestine in this period and not the more pat or theologically-consistent “Joseph”; or if the second part had simply added the cognomen “the Zaddik” (הׂצדיק) or “Just One,” which was also how James was known by everyone in Palestine at this time according to Eusebius.[70]

Works

Islamic Law in Palestine and Israel E. J. Brill, Leiden (1976).
Maccabees, Zadokites, Christians and Qumran: A New Hypothesis of Qumran Origins E. J. Brill, Leiden (1984).
James the Just in the Habakkuk Pesher E. J. Brill Leiden (1986).
A Facsimile Edition of the Dead Sea Scrolls (with James Robinson), Biblical Archaeology Society (1991).
The Dead Sea Scrolls Uncovered (with Michael Wise), Penguin USA (1992) ISBN 1-85230-368-9.
James the Brother of Jesus: The Key to Unlocking the Secrets of early Christianity and the Dead Sea Scrolls (1997) ISBN 1-84293-026-5.
The Dead Sea Scrolls and the First Christians (1996) ISBN 1-85230-785-4.
The New Testament Code: The Cup of the Lord, the Damascus Covenant, and the Blood of Christ (2006) ISBN 1-84293-186-5.
The New Jerusalem: A Millennium Poetic/Prophetic Travel Diario 1959–1962 (2007) ISBN 1-55643-637-8.
James the Brother of Jesus and the Dead Sea Scrolls I, Grave Distractions Pub. (2012) ISBN 978-09855991-3-3
James the Brother of Jesus and the Dead Sea Scrolls II, Grave Distractions Pub. (2012) ISBN 978-09855991-6-4

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1.Jump up ^ Miller, Glenn, "Good Question......how well-respected are the theories of Eisenman, Allegro, Thiering, and Baigent & Leigh concerning the Dead Sea Scrolls?"http://christianthinktank.com/iceman.html 12.April 2012
2.Jump up ^ Ron Rosenbaum, "The Riddle of the Scrolls, “ Vanity Fair , November, 1992, pp. 224–28 and Michael Baigent and Richard Leigh, The Dead Sea Scrolls Deception, pp. xvii–xvii
3.Jump up ^ California State University Website http://www.csulb.edu/centers/sjco/aboutpre.html
4.Jump up ^ Eisenman sitting before the Parthenon, December, 1958. Statement is from Dieter Buhl, former Political Editor of Die Zeit. See also The New Jerusalem back cover and p. 242.
5.Jump up ^ See The New Jerusalem, pp. 138, 399, and variously
6.Jump up ^ The New Jerusalem, p. xi.
7.Jump up ^ See The New Jerusalem, pp. 4–5
8.Jump up ^ See The New Jerusalem, pictures, pp. 242ff.
9.Jump up ^ See The New Jerusalem, pp. 7–17, 70–81, 294, etc.
10.Jump up ^ See The New Jerusalem, pp. xi–xiii and back cover description. For his anti-Beat sentiments and statements generally, see pp. 129, 321, 452, etc.
11.Jump up ^ See The New Jerusalem, p. 67; also see pp. 41–44, 112–16, etc. and obituary for Morris Eisenman, New York Times, 1/20/1948, who came to U.S. in 1888, age 14, along with his older brother, Eisenman's grandfather, and was President and co-founder with David Sarnoff in 1897 of The Metropolitan News Company, an early Zionist, great philanthropist, patron of the arts, and close personal friend of Chaim Weizmann (cf. letter dated 7/10/1942, C.W. to M.E., St. Regis Hotel, NYC), helped found the Abendblatt Yiddush Newspaper, The Jewish Forward, and Chaim Nahman Bialik and Shmaryahu Levin's Dvir Publishing Company in then Tel Aviv, Palestine, friend of Shalom Asch, and funded childhood "newsie" friend Samuel Roth's first U.S. publication attempt of James Joyce's Ulysses in 1927 and, through the Morris Eisenman Literary Fund, Yiddush writer Osip Dymow in 1942, the Second Avenue Yiddush Theater, etc.
12.Jump up ^ See “America, I Call upon You,” The New Jerusalem, pp. 49, 52–59, and 63–68
13.Jump up ^ See The New Jerusalem, pp. 98–104. Curiously this poem, “America, I Call upon You,” became something of "an anthem" for this group, ibid., pp. xi–xii
14.Jump up ^ See The New Jerusalem, pp. 107–32
15.Jump up ^ See The New Jerusalem, pp. 224–59
16.Jump up ^ See The New Jerusalem, pp. 344–446
17.Jump up ^ See The New Jerusalem, pp. 446–53
18.Jump up ^ “The Scrolls from the Dead Sea,” The New Yorker, 5/14/55.
19.Jump up ^ Baigent and Leigh, The Dead Sea Scrolls Deception, London and New York, 1991, pp. 26–66; Eisenman, "The Desecration of the Scrolls," Midstream, December, 1991, pp. 13–17.
20.Jump up ^ Neil Asher Silberman, The Hidden Scrolls, New York, 1994, pp. 39–67.
21.Jump up ^ See Maccabees, Zadokites, Christians and Qumran, Leiden, 1983.
22.Jump up ^ James the Just in the Habakkuk Pesher, Leiden, 1986.
23.Jump up ^ See J. C. Trever, Scrolls from Qumran Cave 1, Jerusalem, 1974.
24.Jump up ^ Eisenman, The Desecration of the Scrolls, Midstream, December, 1991, p.13.
25.Jump up ^ The Dead Seas Scrolls Deception, pp. 73–83.
26.Jump up ^ This included Prof. Davies who fatefully shared it with Prof. Zdzslaw Kapera in Poland; see The Dead Seas Scrolls Deception, pp. 85–89.
27.Jump up ^ The Hidden Scrolls, pp. 39–67 and 233–245.
28.Jump up ^ J. R. Robinson, The Nag Hammadi Library in English, San Francisco, 1977.
29.Jump up ^ The Dead Sea Scrolls on Microfiche, Leiden, 1992.
30.Jump up ^ A Facsimile Edition of the Dead Sea Scrolls, B.A.S., Washington D. C., 1991
31.Jump up ^ Silberman, Neil Asher, The Hidden Scrolls, p. 236.
32.Jump up ^ See "The Riddle of the Scrolls", Vanity Fair, November, 1992, pp. 224–28.
33.Jump up ^ “The 1988–92 California State University Dead Sea Walking Cave Survey and Radar Groundscan of the Qumran Cliffs,” The Quman Chronicle, 9/2-4, December, 2000, p. 125; also see “The British had it all Wrong when Naming the Dead Sea,” Nick Tatro, AP, 2/2/90
34.Jump up ^ Holy Blood, Holy Grail, London and New York, 1982 and The Dead Sea Scrolls Deception, London and New York, 1992.
35.Jump up ^ Michael Baigent and Robert Eisenman, “A Ground-Penetrating Radar Survey at Khirbat Qumran,” The Quman Chronicle, 9/2-4, December, 2000, pp. 131–38
36.Jump up ^ "Bones of Contention," Time Magazine 8/6/01, p. 49.
37.Jump up ^ M. Broshi and H. Eshel, "Three Seasons of Excavations at Qumran," Journal of Roman Archaeology, 17/1, 2004, pp. 321–332.
38.Jump up ^ Bill Kurtus, Investigating History: The Dead Sea Scrolls, May, 2004.
39.Jump up ^ See F. M. Cross, The Ancient Library of Qumran, New York, 1961 and Eisenman, The New Testament Code, pp. 3–196.
40.Jump up ^ Miller, Glenn. "Good Question......how well-respected are the theories of Eisenman, Allegro, Thiering, and Baigent & Leigh concerning the Dead Sea Scrolls?" http://christianthinktank.com/iceman.html 12.April 2013
41.Jump up ^ The New Testament Code
42.Jump up ^ Maccabees, Zadokites, Christians and Qumran, Leiden, 1984, pp. 24, 70, and 80 and James the Just in the Habakkuk Pesher, Leiden, 1986, pp. 14–30 and 75–78.
43.Jump up ^ 4QpPs 37ii.11 and iii.10
44.Jump up ^ James the Just in the Habakkuk Pesher, pp. 21–74.
45.Jump up ^ The New Testament Code, pp. 51–6.
46.Jump up ^ James the Just in the Habakkuk Pesher, Leiden, 1996, pp. vii–x, 32–42, and 99
47.Jump up ^ Ibid.
48.Jump up ^ The New Testament Code, pp. 551–638 and 848–938.
49.Jump up ^ 4QTest i.9–13 and 4QFlor i.7–14.
50.Jump up ^ Hippolytus, Refutation of All Heresies, 9,14–9.22 and The New Testament Code, pp. 939–97.
51.Jump up ^ Acts 11:26.
52.Jump up ^ Cf. M. Baigent and R. Leigh, The Dead Sea Scrolls Deception, London/New York, 1991, pp. 80–83.
53.Jump up ^ VanderKam, James C. & Flint, Peter (2002). The Meaning of the Dead Sea Scrolls. New York: HarperSanFrancisco. p. 27.
54.Jump up ^ Doudna, G. "Carbon-14 Dating", in Encyclopedia of the Dead Sea Scrolls, Schiffman, Lawrence, & VanderKam, James, eds., Vol.1 (Oxford: 2000)
55.Jump up ^ VanderKam, James C. & Flint, Peter (2002). The Meaning of the Dead Sea Scrolls. New York: HarperSanFrancisco. p. 28.
56.Jump up ^ Carmi, Israel, "Radiocarbon Dating of the Dead Sea Scrolls" in The Dead Sea Scrolls: Fifty Years after their Discovery. 1947-1997, Schiffman, Lawrence, Tov, Emanuel, & VanderKam, James, eds., (Jerusalem: IES, 2000) p.881.
57.Jump up ^ Baigent and Leigh, Ibid., 5/2/89.
58.Jump up ^ The New Testament Code, pp. 44–51.
59.Jump up ^ See Atwill, Braunheim, and Eisenman, Redating the Radio-Carbon Dating of the Dead Sea Scrolls, Dead Sea Discoveries, 11/2/04, pp. 143–55.
60.Jump up ^ James the Brother of Jesus, Penguin, 1997–98, pp. 51–153 and 647–816.
61.Jump up ^ Ibid. and Josephus, Antiquities 20.200 and Eusebius, Ecclesiastical History 2.23 and 4.22
62.Jump up ^ Josephus, War 2.151–3 and Hippolytus, Refutation, 9.21
63.Jump up ^ James the Brother of Jesus, Penguin, 1998, p. 963.
64.Jump up ^ Maccabees, Zadokites, Christians and Qumran, E. J. Brill, 1984, pp. 62–3 and 90–1 and “Paul as Herodian,” SBL, 1984, published in Journal of Higher Criticism, iii, 1996, pp. 110–22 and The Dead Sea Scrolls and the First Christians, 1996, pp. 226–46.
65.Jump up ^ The New Testament Code, pp. 500–7 and cf. Romans 16:10–11.
66.Jump up ^ Josephus, The Jewish War 2.418, 556–58, and The Antiquities, 20.214.
67.Jump up ^ The New Testament Code, pp. 1010–11 and James the Brother of Jesus, pp. 968–69.
68.Jump up ^ ”A Discovery That’s Just too Perfect,” Los Angeles Times, October 29th, 2002.
69.Jump up ^ Eisenman, The New Testament Code, London/New York, 2006, pp. 56–64.
70.Jump up ^ Eusebius quoting Hegesippus, Ecclesiastical History, 2.23.4–21.

magamud wrote:Really good post Ortho my compliments.  

"What is the Absolute Legal Standard for This Solar System?"

Gods wisdom on goodness.  This is constant but depending on how strong lucifers light is, the tangibility loses its integrity.  Its like the Devil's bubble is going to burst.  He can only go so far.  So we are at a time during his death throws.

"Does Might Make Right?"

No not at all, but how does a parent take care of its children?  So in how we individuate from our parents physically.  We do the same consciously to the world.

"Should I fight the good fight -- or should I just go along to get along??"

This depends on your boundaries of self, that only you can make.  Your identity.  Once you have your membrane you can know where and what is neutral space.

"Are the Teachings of Jesus too idealistic for this Sick Solar System?"

Not at all.  Its a perfect straight line that connects the dots.  This memory is in everyone, in your innate being.  I can tell you that.

"Am I from somewhere else??"

It does not matter as you are from the creator.  Same idea as soul and incarnations.  The creator is the idea of goodness, wholesomeness oneness.  Everything extends from it.  I would compare it to where we are in the galaxy.  On the tip of one of those octopus limbs trying to get back to the center or head of it.

Thank-you magamud. I'll watch the video later today or tomorrow. I am presently entering into a very strange mental and spiritual space -- but I really can't talk about it. The more 'out there' I become internally -- the more 'normal' I become externally. I expect this trend to continue and accelerate toward the end of August. Think like a lawyer. Remember that you are being watched constantly. Don't do anything illegal or illogical. Watch the Watchers. My current strategy is to go incognito -- where I talk very little on the phone and spend very little time on the internet. My openness will end near the end of August. "The End is Near". The exception will probably be my Book and DVD online-orders. I had to discipline myself to NOT get sucked into the charming and intellectual orbit of the Ancient Egyptian Deity. I sensed that I was playing a Most Dangerous Game. What Would Rainsford Say?? I actually discussed The Most Dangerous Game with the Ancient Egyptian Deity!! Someday, you'll all find out that I was NOT making that stuff up!!! The AED might dispute some of the details, but I have NOT practiced to deceive.

I think I'm gradually becoming more and more separated from the mainstream. I have no overwhelming desire to bring anyone with me. Most everyone seems to be doing SO much better than I am -- so why should I drag anyone into the ditch with me?? I have an experimental personal MO which will probably just have to play-out -- for better or worse -- I know not. I hate my life. Jupiter Jones hated her life. Job hated his life. Is there some sort of connection?? Think about it. I think that even the very best people can become the very worst people -- with a change of scenery and status. I like the Servant-CEO Model -- wherein the kingpin lives like a commoner. If I ever get promoted, I will insist on living in that 600 square-foot office-apartment with a supercomputer linked to an artificial-organ and the InterPlaNet (with access to everyone and everything in the solar system)!! I'm VERY Sirius about that!! Was it Lenin who had a similar lifestyle philosophy?? I can't quite remember. Actually, this mind-game is drawing to a close. It's served its purpose, and run its course. Fool-Rule is SO Overrated!!! More Sherry Shriner!! http://www.sherrytalkradio.com/ I haven't supported Sherry financially because I don't know who Sherry really is -- and what her agenda might be. Plus, I'm relatively broke. I'm also not in 'kill the aliens' mode. I simply don't know enough about that phenomenon. I'm trying to be somewhat neutral -- and burning aliens with orgone water doesn't seem too neutral -- does it?? I don't wish to burn any more bridges than I have to. I'm irreverent and politically-incorrect -- but I am NOT hostile or mean. Some might disagree with that claim -- yet it IS the truth of the matter. Remember, a lot of this thread is an ACT. I'm not really like this in real-life. I'm quite the sluggish-dud who really should remain incognito.


What if everyone had the same net-worth? What if education, healthcare, housing, food, and clothing were free? What if tasks in society were based completely on merit? You could be a janitor, banker, astronaut, doctor, pope, president, ceo, representative, or solar system administrator - and everyone would live at the same economic level, even though activities, status, and social circles might vary. I believe in freedom - but not divorced from responsibility. Is fighting for more and more money really responsible? Shouldn't we seek to uplift EVERYONE??? I want to do the right thing. I want to do that which is in EVERYONE'S BEST INTEREST. If only I could practice what I preach. But would all of the above be considered socialism or communism? There would continue to be freedom and competition, but with massive doses of responsibility. Do you see my point?

I realize that I only know a small portion of what's really going on, but I get the strong impression that this is really crunch-time, and that we really need to think fast, and get something going around here. I used to think that God was going to solve everything, but now I think that this might be a final solution to a failed experiment in responsible freedom and human physicality. I have a horrible sense of dread. I fear that things might've swung too far off the center of the wheel, and that the unbalance indicator failed to function properly. We might be past the point of no return. I sense evil at the highest and lowest levels, but I also sense irresponsibility throughout the world population. I continue to experience profound physical, mental, and spiritual difficulties. I feel like I'm in a graveyard-spiral, and that the proximity-avionics are ordering me to 'PULL UP!!' I'm trying, but now I seem to be in a flat-spin, and I'd probably eject if I had an ejection-seat, but I don't. There really seems to be no safety-net. All of the options seem to be bad presently. My strategy is to just keep doing what I'm doing, and hope that it helps others to do their jobs properly. My mind is not made-up, so please confuse me with the facts. I will continue to be incurably-optimistic and unyieldingly-despairing. I believe that both qualities (if one can call them such) are necessary to properly deal with the predicament we find ourselves in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FauWEy6t1PY

I am not necessarily at war with the Queen of Heaven and God of This World in a conceptual sense, as blasphemous as that sounds. I think they are probably a mixture of good and evil, strengths and weaknesses. I am simply trying to conceptualize idealistic religious and political constructs on a solar system scale. This will continue to be a mixture of fact and fiction, idealism and pragmatism. This thread will continue to resemble low-budget science fiction. Again, this is all about changing myself, and helping you to think. It is not a Prescription for Paradise. I'm the smart@$$ at the back of the room. Even if I were the leader of the pack, I would still remain seated at the back of the room, and facilitate excellence in others. I would attempt to remain on-top of things, but I would not micromanage. Sometimes, if people know that you know, you don't have to say a damn thing, you know?

No one else seems to be posting. Maybe they're all hiding in their Deep Underground Military Bases! Or perhaps the Rapture has occurred, and I've been left behind! Anyway, has anyone read or re-read 'Megatrends' or 'Future Shock' lately, to see how things have played-out in relation to the forecasts and projections? Should I be reading Daniel and the Revelation in the Holy Bible, for the real-deal about the future? Should I try to change the future, or is it pretty-much already determined? Have the gods and goddesses made up their minds what they're going to do with us, or to us? Or, has the Creator God of the Universe decided what to do with the gods and goddesses - and with us? Is the ball in our court, or not? I guess I'm seeking a productive partnership of the Human and the Divine, whatever that really means. Where does the BS stop, and the truth begin? Which Hein's 57 varieties of religion and philosophy do we embrace? How shall we then live? Should we just eat, drink, and be merry, as we prepare to die? Should I rent a Ferrari, and do my version of 'On the Beach'?

Here is a post dedicated to the Concorde. I'm not sure what that has to do with a United States of the Solar System, except that I think it would be cool if they could somehow revive the Corcorde with various updates, including more efficient engines, improved avionics, and more cost-effective manufacturing methods. This might complement a worldwide magneto-leviton train system in a Brave New United States of the Solar System. Enjoy!


Just another reminder to take my threads as a whole, rather than isolating any particular post, especially one of the more sensational posts. Then, take a look at what everyone else is posting and saying on the internet and everywhere. Take a multidisciplinary approach to all of this. I'm not a former big-shot in a D.U.M.B. or anything, so what the heck do I really know? I'd like you to take what I'm posting seriously, without just buying into it. Just consider it, and move on to bigger and better things. This is the beginning of the road, rather than the end. The best is yet to come. Even if we could just get rid of war in the next couple of years, wouldn't that be 90% of the battle? (get it?!)


You know, what really bothers me is how heartless and cruel we have been to each other for thousands of years. In a sense, I could care less about politics, religion, race, socioeconomics, etc, etc, etc, EXCEPT as they pertain to how we treat each other. I keep getting the sinking feeling that no matter how we set things up, the same reincarnational b@$tards are going to keep screwing things up. I'm really serious about the incarceration, restitution, and reeducation thing. I am not a capital punishment kind of guy. However, if a highly compelling case were made to me regarding someone being too dangerous to save - who knows what I might decide? I just don't think that violence is a solution for violence. Violence Breeds Violence. I'd like to stop ALL violence. I know I live in a dream world, but I like my little dream world. Everyone is so nice there...

I'm tired of the very poor performance of my computer, and I'm tired of having the computer fan revving like a Ferrari, even when I'm not actively using it. I believe this is because of backdoor access to my computer. Is this really necessary? Can't you guys just monitor me by standing invisible in my house, like I'm sure you do anyway? Or just use the internet like everyone else? Are you trying to make me stop? Believe it or not, I'm trying to stop. I'm trying to mostly just read books and go for walks. I'd still like to be involved in solar system governance at some point in the future, but my disillusionment with life, and the ongoing supernatural attacks made upon me, have made me extremely miserable, and made me mostly ineffectual. Despite all outward appearances, I am not a lazy bum. I doubt many people could endure what I experience on a daily basis, and keep doing what I'm doing. I really doubt it. You Ascended or Descended Whoevers or Whatevers know what I'm talking about. I'm really sick of all of this. Now I'm going to watch another episode of 'Dr. Who'. Then I'll probably watch another episode of 'The Event'. Finally, I'll read another couple of chapters from 'Hitler's Pope'. You don't really have to watch me so closely. I don't meet with people. I don't raise money. I don't start organizations. I don't have a show. And I'm trying to stop doing what I'm doing right now. So I can't really be much of a threat, unless that reincarnational thing might make me a problem. But even then, I really just wish to do that which is in everyone's best interest. I'm not some Vengeful Deity on a Mission of Destruction, or anything like that. But I know an Angry and Jealous Deity Who's Gonna Kick Your @$$!!!

Consider the Psychology and Ethics of Politics and Religion, as it relates to Perception and Reality. Consider this to be 'Smoke and Mirrors 101'. What continues to bother and puzzle me about church and state, is who REALLY controls them? Just a bunch of stupid men, or very dark and powerful unseen forces? Just remember: Resisting the United States of the Solar System is Futile.

Consider watching 'The War On Democracy'. It's about the political troubles in South America. I'm seriously thinking of myself as a Citizen of the United States of the Solar System, rather than as a Nationalistic American. I respect the politics and religion of the various peoples of the world, and I am trying to identify with everyone, rather than being standoffish or elitist. I'd like to be comfortable anywhere in the solar system. Everyone should be comfortable anywhere in the solar system. My politics and religion are encapsulated in the United States of the Solar System. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.


Could the United States of the Solar System be one's national origin AND their religion? What are the theological implications and ramifications? Could one use the Teachings of Jesus to support the United States of the Solar System? Could United States of the Solar System sessions be held in a cathedral, without violating the First Amendment? Does the prohibition upon establishing a state church require that religion shall be kept out of governmental discussions and activities? What about Free Speech? What type of citizen might I become if I listened to Gregorian Chant and Sacred Classical Music while studying the 'Federalist Papers' and the 'Anti-Federalist Papers' for one hour, each and every day, for a whole year? Do you see my point? What might one use to bring life and spirituality to the United States of the Solar System? Put down those rocks! Remember! This is a test! This is only a test! I used to occasionally attend services at the Hollywood Presbyterian Church, where Lloyd John Ogilvie was the senior pastor. He's now (was) the Chaplain of the Senate. I'd love to talk to him about some of these issues. I met him after a service, and he was quite nice. I also used to watch him on television. He had a terrific organist named Kimo Smith. We used to call him K.S. Bach! I really think that a very real and significant "Angela" exists. Think of the "Angela" in "The Word". Think of the "Angela" in "Constantine". I knew a very talented "Angela" many years ago. She was a medical-doctor and church-organist. She's done concerts at St. Mary's Cathedral in San Francisco -- and in Notre Dame de Paris. She does them from memory -- but tends to become ill prior to her performances. She once gave me a very stern look when I suggested that Praise-Songs were OK. The Ancient Egyptian Deity knew about "Angela". I'm honestly NOT making this up.


What amazed me is how so many competent and concerned people were completely ignored or actively opposed by the Bush Administration. Was the failure of the Iraq Crusade by design? I hate to say this...but so much misery and bloodshed in history seems to have occurred by cruel design. It's almost as if the peace and happiness of the human family MUST be opposed...and that responsibility and freedom MUST be thwarted. It almost seems as if non-human forces have been at work throughout history...to work against humanity. I tend to think that there is a lot more to human history than the sad tale of an infant race...evolving through level upon level of stupidity and madness. I don't think we are the new kids on the galactic block. I think we are the abused kids. Where's the Galactic CPS when you need them? As usual...this is mostly speculative in nature.

I've been very paranoid and suspicious lately...as you may have noticed...but there's a shape-shifting Jesuit living in my attic...an 800 pound reptilian on my back...and a ufo (disguised as a black helicopter) circling my house. Please...somebody watch the documentary...and comment. It' really very well done. Here is Dick Cheney in 1994 commenting on Iraq: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YENbElb5-xY Is this crusade all about artifacts, stargates, bloodlines, ancient technology, crashed ufo's, underground bases, skeletal remains, ET's, etc? I don't know...but I thought I'd ask. I suppose oil, drugs, and the MIAC might have something to do with it too! Oh...and spreading democracy...whether they want it or not! I don't mean to make light of a very violent and sad episode in world history. I'm just trying to be open and honest...in a friendly, humorous, and light-hearted (some might say 'light-headed') manner. I may be a Pain in Uranus...but I mean no harm. Is the Iraq Crusade a 'Just War'?


Here is a composite of some previous posts. They sort of fit together. This whole thing is never really satisfying to me, because I can never find resolution. There are too many loose-ends and too many problems. If I were in the public eye, can you imagine what the press would do to me?! There's a reason why some people are merely armchair internet warriors. I think I could've been a highly polished and smooth 'name', but it's too late for that now, isn't it? Maybe in my next life. Then again, maybe not. We've gotten screwed by the smooth, over and over again, haven't we? Oh just go to your damn Mason meetings, and go to all the dinner parties and luncheons. Hob nob with the rich and famous, and just keep looking the other way. Don't be too definite. People who are too definite get black-listed. "You'll never work in this town again!" Just lie and sleep your way to the top. You know what I'm talking about...

I like listening to Gregorian Chant, Sacred Classical Music, and Latin Masses, even though I have HUGE theological problems with Roman Catholicism and the Mass (Latin or otherwise). However, if the Mass were interpreted solely by the words attributed to Christ, this would be a HUGE improvement. I don't know why I even bother with any of this. NOBODY will go for what I'm proposing. The Catholic-Haters aren't going to change their minds. The Roman Catholic Faithful are not going to change their minds. And God knows, the Curia and the Pope aren't going to do an about-face! This is a monumental waste of time. But really, I do like the formal mysticism and solemn grandeur of the Latin Mass, especially when properly accompanied by Gregorian Chant and French Romantic choral and organ music. I try to base my theology upon the words attributed to Jesus, rather than upon this or that council or pope. I'm leaning heavily toward nearly 2,000 years of Sedevacante. Has there been even one pope in 2,000 years who strictly followed the Red-Letter Teachings of Jesus? Were they rightly representing the absent Christ, and faithfully carrying out the Great Commission? Were they rather following someone other than Jesus?

A unifying ritual could consist of nothing more than chanting "2+2=4" over and over again, week after week, complete with robes and incense. Most of us might have reincarnational and genetic memories of mass-type rituals, going back thousands of years, such as in the ancient Hebrew Sanctuary Service. I don't participate in any religious services, and I am opposed to worship and ritual human-sacrifice (bloody or unbloody), but I continue to like the idea of group ceremonial activities which make people face themselves and think about the important things in life, including dealing with sin and mistakes. I'm really not partial to any particular race or religion. I just think we all need to evolve just a little bit more, and a little bit faster...

Would torturing children qualify as SIN? Sin is irresponsibility in its root and fruit. There are many definitions and manifestations, but sin is real and hideous, disguise it as one might try. What is the absolute standard of morality? What are the consequences of not knowing what the absolute standard of morality is? What are the implications and ramifications of rebelling against the absolute standard of morality? These are serious questions which demand definitive answers. There's a difference between an answer, and a convincing answer. Just because most clergy don't know the difference between a bottomless-pit and an anatomical black-hole doesn't mean that there isn't a pure and refined form of religion and politics. I consider religious-ritual to be a liturgical-discipline, rather than being redemptive in any way, shape, or form.

If there is no absolute standard, how can we judge anything? The whole moral and legal framework is henceforth built upon shifting-sand, instead of a rock. This is what happened when the popes built their church upon Peter instead of Jesus. Look at the tragic history. Look at the tragic state of affairs today. I'm not sensing a lot of compassion toward victims here. The whole karmic-debt issue seems to be somewhat self-centered. I once spoke with someone who thought that women and children deserved to be eaten by lions in the Colosseum, because of soul/karmic reasons. At least that was my understanding. I had tried to give them an 'out' regarding how I presented the subject to them, but there seemed to be absolutely no sorrow for this 'sin'.

So, Karma means never having to say you're sorry, and never having to feel pain for the pain inflicted upon others? And who keeps score in the Game of Karma? Do victims of violent crime really attract their attackers to them because of unresolved karmic issues? There would have to be some sort of an Ongoing Investigative Judgment by a Galactic Tribunal, to determine who deserves what, wouldn't there? I don't have a problem with church and state rules, regulations, and discipline which actually make sense. I agree that love is at the center of morality, but I believe that responsibility and response-ability are at the center of a proper definition and application of agape-love.

What continues to bother and puzzle me about church and state, is who REALLY controls them? Just a bunch of stupid men, or very dark and powerful unseen forces?

I believe in waging peace instead of war, but I also believe in being disciplined and tough, and at some point provocation must be answered with force, to at least disempower the attacker, and to protect the innocent. 'Turn the other cheek' is one of the 'hard-sayings of Jesus' for me at least. I agree that a 'soft answer turns away wrath', and that we resort to violence all too quickly, but we must be prepared to meet force with an even greater retaliatory force, when necessary. However, I am critical of all extermination events, even at the hands of a loving God. Turn the other cheek once (strike one!), twice (strike two!), three times (strike three!) - and then kick the ever-living excrement out of the b@$stards, and make them an example for whoever thinks they might like to be next. Turn the other key as you turn the other cheek...

My computer was brutally and mercilessly attacked right after I made that last post. Don't you guys and gals have a sense of humor? I'm going to try to fly completely under the radar from now on. I like the idea of imagining living in the secret realms of the solar system, but without giving heed to seducing spirits or doctrines of devils, in preparation for an up and running United States of the Solar System, if you know what I mean. By the way, what did those strange words mean? We're reincarnationally related, aren't we? One more thing. Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin. Namaste and Geronimo!

One more time, I don't know what's really going on. I've done a lot of speculating and bluffing, but that's all it is. I have poked and prodded at a hypothetical Queen of Heaven and God of This World, and wondered if there might be a Reptilian component to all of this, BUT I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHO'S WHO OR WHAT'S WHAT IN THE GALACTIC ZOO. READ EVERYTHING I HAVE POSTED WITH A SEA OF SALT.

Check out Dr. Who 'The Vampires of Venice'. Just get as many DVD's of Dr. Who as you can afford! They're sort of corny, in one way, but they are quite revealing and profound, in another way. I think Dr. Who might be a modern representation of Michael / Horus / Mithras / Jesus / ????? - but what do I know? Does the following image represent the Queen of Heaven and the God of This World? There was a Reptilian / Fish / Alien Queen Theme in this episode. A Drac might look a bit like a fish, don't you think? I have positive and negative feelings regarding the Queen Phenomenon - reptilian, human, hybrid, or otherwise. I am male, yet I think there might be something to emulate in the queen model, but I'm not sure which aspects should be aspired to, and which characteristics should be resisted. This whole politics, religion, race, and sex thing is quite the mixed-bag. Who knows what the real truth of the matter is? I sure don't. A Dr. Who Swedish Connection?!

OK, I've made my bed of nails, and now I'm going to try to sleep on it, whether I like it or not. I'm really going to try to privatize my tempest in a teapot, and go through all of my threads, and then some, as though I were working on a doctoral disseration. I'm going to try to stop thrashing around, and become academically articulate. I have a helluva lot of homework to do. Thank-you for your patience with my ranting and raving. I think that quite a bit of it might prove to be accurate, but probably with twists that I never saw coming. I'll probably keep posting, but I'm going to try to limit this to a couple of times a week. We'll see how that goes. Love is central, but I worry about what happens when Naive Love meets Sinister Hate. I guess this is why I am focusing upon Responsibility and Response-Ability as a better modality for doing battle with the Bad Guys and Gals. Love can become watered-down passive-submission, which will not do proper battle with evil. I guess this is why I keep thinking about a Vatican-Based Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System as being a possible replacement for both the Old and New World Orders, which seem to be corrupt Theocracies (Vatican?) and Technocracies (Nazi?), and possibly of other than human origin and nature (Reptilian?), and ultimately hostile toward the human race (because of ancient star wars?). My dissatisfaction with the level of discussion on the internet (or anywhere) is out of control. But maybe I really am delusional. I think I might be. I've been trying to stop posting pretty much since I started, around three years ago. I just seem to be going in circles, and most of this stuff is impossible to prove. Plus, I don't know how dangerous the various topics really are. I think all of this is playing with fire, but I don't know how hot it really is. I think I've already burned my fingers, right up to my armpits, and my head is getting mighty warm. I think I should stop.

This tempest in a teapot is going nowhere fast. I start feeling really disoriented and even a bit ill when I expose myself to these controversial topics, or to a lot of Egyptology or Higher Critical Theology. There is the constant battle to determine what is truth, and what is error. It's quite the zoo out there. Also, I have found that conjuring up profound thoughts doesn't necessarily resonate with others. A lot of this stuff is quite solitary and lonely. But I'm about to make all of this even more solitary by reinventing myself into being more of a reader and researcher, than being so much of a whining and ranting poster, trying to get people to talk to me. I'm letting all of that go. I'm not a channeler, experiencer, or scholar. Maybe I'm crazy. Most of this is new to me. I am genuinely trying to get up to speed with the Secret Government and the Corrupt Elite. How does one properly do this without becoming jaded, cynical, and ultimately corrupted? If I were a part of world government or solar system government, how long would it take me to go downhill? Anyone wanna make some bets? Everyone has their price, right? This governance thing is terrifying to me. It's one thing to rage against the machine, and it's quite another thing to be the machine. If I were the machine, I would probably isolate myself in a 600 square-foot studio apartment and office. I would probably just do business on the internet, and avoid all of the big-shots and fancy dinner-parties. I'd watch sci-fi and eat pizza. But I'd still take my dog for long walks and listen to sacred classical music. OK! Back to Reality! Your contributions were all greatly appreciated. Q.E.D. Another Completely Ignorant Fool Bites the Dust. Namaste and Godspeed.

Remember that beautiful-woman with the Porsche a couple of posts ago?? The very day I made that post -- I saw a beautiful-woman in the exact same dress (just a few feet away from me)!! We didn't speak to each other -- but it really made me wonder?? She really gave me something to think about!! What if a Ritz-Carlton (with a DUMB [and a Mag-Lev Train Station] underneath) were the Headquarters of the United States of the Solar System??!! Think about it!! Unfortunately -- I'm thinking this solar system is so booby-trapped -- that a legitimate and lasting USSS won't be happening till at least the beginning of the twenty-second century. I wish otherwise -- but think long and hard about the history of this solar system -- and about the Book of Daniel. BTW -- I love the "Jesus" in the Book of Daniel series!! I think this world is poised to undergo some really nasty things. If a Roman-Empire (Pagan and Papal) has ruled the solar system for thousands of years -- led by You Know Who -- do you really expect them to cheerfully hand-over the Keys to the Kingdom (to the really nice and ethical boys and girls)??!! If they did so -- I would expect things to go to hell very quickly. Have you heard of "Poison-Pills" -- "Poisoning the Well" -- and "Scorched-Earth Policies"?? Think about it. One more time -- consider the following study-list:

1. Prophets and Kings by Ellen White.
2. Job through Daniel (KJV).
3. The Desire of Ages by Ellen White.
4. The 1928 Book of Common Prayer.
5. The Traditional Latin Mass.
6. Sacred Classical Music.
7. The Crystal Cathedral (during the "Fred Swann Era").

Once again -- this is intended as a mental and spiritual exercise for those mature enough to benefit from it. Imagine being a Non-Catholic studying this list somewhere in Rome (or even within the Vatican) for a decade or two!! A couple a bodyguards might come in handy!! What Would the [Nazis -- Masons -- Jesuits -- Reptilians -- Greys -- and Ancient Egyptian Deities] Say??!! What if this "Prison Planet in Rebellion" requires these guys to properly run things?? Things might be worse than we think. The more I think about becoming an Insider -- the less appealing it seems to be. Perhaps I should simply desire a 600 square-foot office-apartment with a Top of the Line Laptop (with a secure satellite InterPlaNet connection) -- and that beautiful-woman in the blue-dress (as a research-assistant -- chauffer -- body-guard -- therapist -- and never-mind)??!! Perhaps I could hire Nikita!! I just want to write some sort of a book which might facilitate such a reprehensible development -- without becoming "known and recognized" -- and without starting the "Battle of Armageddon". I just want to "change the channel". What Would JZ Knight and Ramtha Say?? BTW -- I'm reading No More Secrets -- No More Lies by Patricia Cori. Wish me luck. I don't trust "Mainstream Religious-Books" or "New-Age Books". I guess I'm referring to that Minimalist-Traditionalist List as sort of a Baseline Point of Reference. Does anyone know what I'm talking about?? Do I know what I'm talking about?? You don't need to answer that question.

Here's yet another study-list:

1. Book of Enoch.
2. Genesis.
3. Exodus.
4. Leviticus.
5. Numbers.
6. Deuteronomy.
7. Job.
8. Psalms.
9. Proverbs.
10. Ecclesiastes.
11. Song of Solomon.
12. Isaiah.
13. Jeremiah.
14. Ezekiel.
15. Daniel.
16. Matthew.
17. Mark.
18. Luke.
19. John.
20. Acts.
21. Romans.
22. Hebrews.
23. Revelation.

What if one read this list over and over and over again?? What understandings might emerge?? What church might harmonize with these understandings?? What if one focused primarily on the red-books and secondarily on the blue-books?? Again, I am suggesting that it is very difficult to apply Biblical passages directly to modernity -- and that the potential exists for legion theologies -- depending on literally thousands of factors. As a Protestant-Catholic Ecumenical Starting-Point I have tentatively suggested the following focus:

1. 1928 Book of Common Prayer and Liturgy.
2. Life of Christ by Fulton Sheen.
3. Sacred Classical Music.

What might the people of the world say to such a revolting development??? What have the people of the world already said and done relative to these three sources of inspiration and devotion??? The problem is that I am merely intuitively pondering subjects which might require access to hidden materials and records -- complete with scholarly analysis which is only available to the chosen-few. I'm skeptical of the traditional church approach and interpretations -- yet the alternatives are often substandard and even highly-dangerous. I have suggested analyzing all of the seemingly new and upsetting internet and book material from the context of an Ancient Babylonian-Persian-Egyptian-Greek-Roman-Hebrew Empire and Church. I have suggested that Star Wars and a War in Heaven might be very real, very ancient, and very ongoing. I am presently on the side of the human-race -- probably because I am presently living in a human-container -- and because the Gods seem to be quite harsh and arbitrary. When I have previously suggested 'Thou Shalt Have No Gods' -- I probably should have said 'Thou Shalt Have No False Gods'. Has anyone carefully studied The Gods of Eden by William Bramley?? I am numb and overloaded with upsetting and disorienting information. I have no idea if William is fairly and accurately making his case. Once again, I seem to be in profound conflict with Humanity, Divinity, and Myself.

What would a theology look like which were based upon the following???

1. Job.
2. Psalms.
3. Proverbs.
4. Ecclesiastes.
5. Song of Solomon.
6. Isaiah.
7. Jeremiah.
8. Ezekiel.
9. Daniel.
10. Matthew.
11. Mark.
12. Luke.
13. John.
14. Acts.
15. Romans.

What would a theology look like which were based upon the following???

1. Book of Enoch.
2. Genesis.
3. Exodus.
4. Leviticus.
5. Numbers.
6. Deuteronomy.
7. Daniel.
8. Revelation.

What would a theology look like which were based upon the Torah???

What would a theology look like which were based upon the Gospels???

What would a theology look like which were based upon the Pauline Epistles???

What would a theology look like which were based upon the Publications of the Seventh-day Adventist Church???

What would a theology look like which were based upon the Publications of the Roman Catholic Church???

What would a theology look like which were based upon the Publications of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints???

What would a theology look like which were based upon the Publications of Robert H. Schuller and the Crystal Cathedral???

What would a theology look like which were based upon the Publications of the Jehovah's Witnesses???

What would a theology look like which were based upon the Publications of the New Age Movement???

What would a theology look like which were based upon the Publications of Atheists and Agnostics???

What would a theology look like which were based upon Science-Fiction???

What would a theology look like which were based upon the Trinity Broadcasting Network???

What would a theology look like which were based upon the Teachings of Gabriel???

What would a theology look like which were based upon the Teachings of Michael???

What would a theology look like which were based upon the Teachings of Lucifer???

What would a theology look like which were based upon the Teachings of Isis???

What would a theology look like which were based upon the Teachings of Amen Ra??

What would a theology look like which were based upon the Teachings of Osiris???

What would a theology look like which were based upon the Teachings of Horus???

What would a theology look like which were based upon YOU -- Lifetime after Lifetime???

What would a theology look like which were based upon the Quran???

What would a theology look like which were based upon Nature, Human-Nature, and Natural-Law???

What would a theology look like which were based upon the Teachings of Leading Dracs and Greys???

What would a theology look like which were based upon Seducing-Spirits and Doctrines of Devils???

What would a theology look like which were based upon This Precious Thread???!!!

What would a theology look like which were based upon an HONEST Grammatical-Historical Hermeneutic of the WHOLE BIBLE -- STARTING WITH GENESIS -- AND GOING STRAIGHT THROUGH TO REVELATION -- Over and Over and Over Again????? What Would J. Vernon McGee Say??? What Would A. Graham Maxwell Say??? What Would Fibber McGee and Molly Say??? What Would Bartleby and Loki Say??? What Would Monseigneur Bowe Say???

I have no idea how good or bad the souls of Humanity really are. I have no idea how good or bad MY soul really is. I have no idea how good or bad Other-Than-Humanity might be. I suspect Massive Lies at ALL Levels. I have No idea what's really been going on in this solar system for thousands and millions and billions of years. I suspect an Absolutely Horrible Past. I suspect that we might be on the brink of an Absolutely Horrible Future. I've joked about wishing to be some sort of an Insider Observer-Philosopher -- but please don't take that too seriously. I don't. My Queen Speculation involves both good and bad aspects -- and is merely a long-shot hypothesis -- yet which seems to have unexpectedly strong supporting evidence. You'd really have to completely immerse yourself in this thread to really understand what I imagine. If I met this Hypothetical Queen -- I think we might be the Best of Friends and the Worst of Enemies. I've neither been friendly or condemning -- and I certainly have NOT been reverential.

Consider Pure Ethics and Pure Science vs Corrupt Ethics and Applied Science. If our science and technology is not in the long-term best interest of the entire human race, then perhaps we had best not introduce it. Has the science, technology, and industrialization of the past 150 years made this world a better place, and made the human race safer and happier? Are we not on the brink of extinction presently? Have we not turned our beautiful world into a damn toilet??? I keep encountering arrogant and nasty people who really make me wonder why I'm trying to save these people. Will my idealism become progressively (or digressively?) more and more cynical and bitter? Did the Queen of Heaven and God of This World start out with idealism and high-hopes? I don't really understand the solar system politics of the past few thousands or even millions of years, but I really wonder if the nature of the beast causes even the best and the brightest to end up in a very bad way? Would a theocratically implemented United States of the Solar System be a cure-all, or would it simply introduce a new subset of horrors? I am extremely disillusioned with the past and present, and I am very apprehensive and pessimistic regarding a productive search for a useable future. My pipe-dream might merely be a more sane way to manage the insanity, but still the insanity will probably remain. How do we convert a sick and insane humanity into a healthy and responsible human race? Hope springs eternal, but we need to be realistic. If a United States of the Solar System ever becomes a reality, I won't be gloating or jumping up and down. I will be feverishly racking my brain, trying to figure out how to make it work properly for at least a few thousand years. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, and unthinkable tests to an idealistic system might prove fatal, in more ways than one. Who knows what challenges we might REALLY face in a Brave New Solar System???

Are hatred, rebellion, and deception integral aspects of competition and freedom? Please think long and hard about this question. Was whoever rebelled against God in Heaven really on the right track? Is ruling humanity by secrecy and deception really a legitimate modality of governance? Should democracy rule? Should theocracy rule? Should a theocracy rule a democracy? Should a theocracy and democracy be intertwined? What would be the proper role of God in a United States of the Solar System? Once again, what was the Original Sin? Was the Original Sin also the Unforgivable Sin? Would an idealistic United States of the Solar System need to be theocratically implemented and maintained? Would Responsibility need to be enforced with an Iron Fist? Would Responsible Freedom need to be imposed upon the inhabitants of the Solar System - whether they like it, or not? I advocate maximizing Responsible Freedom in a Context of Legitimate Law and Order. How does a civilization keep all of this in a properly buffered balance??? I continue to think that we are running out of time to get this right. I continue to think that some very powerful eyes and minds are focused upon this solar system and the fate of humanity. All is not well in this neck of the woods...

Has anyone read 'The Great Controversy', 'Hitler's Pope', and 'The Keys of This Blood'? I think that the issues and insights which come to light when reading these three books are quite interesting. The intent is to learn from the past. I really need some help in evaluating all of this. I continue to be intrigued with the hypothetical Nazi<>Gizeh-Intelligence<>Vatican relationship. If there is something to this, is there a way in which this sort of thing could've been done, which might've been in everyone's best interest? How should we properly conduct business in this solar system? I have been trying to think about this in some rather innovative and strange ways, but I don't know the inside story. I truly see through a glass darkly. But I think the three aforementioned books might be very helpful. Once again, I don't read them to try to find dirt. I read them to try to understand. If we do not learn from the phenomenon of the Third Reich, we might reap the whirlwind with a Fourth Reich, or even a Fifth. The principles and concepts might repeat over and over. There is a subtle attraction toward a church and state of power and might, with an all-powerful 'God' on it's side. After all, why would one be attracted to 'weak' leadership? We really do worship POWER, don't we? We all want POWER, don't we? Many of us will sell our souls to you know who to get it, won't we? There are some excellent documentaries on the Vatican, the Nazis, and Hidden Technology. I think we probably know very little about the hidden power struggles connected with this solar system, going back thousands or millions of years, but I think the Nazi phenomenon might open some windows to enlighten our understanding in this regard. I continue to think that there is a good and a bad side to just about everything, and that deception is a mixture of truth and lies, with enough truth to lure one in, and just enough lies and poison to do one in. I can only deal with this subject a little bit at a time. It's too overwhelming for me. What should the proper character of a United States of the Solar System be? There are literally thousands of ways of implementing this concept, and probably a dozen right ways to do it. Might there be a Nazi-Temptation connected with this effort? You know, super patriotic totalitarianism, or something like that? No stone should be left unturned in this regard. I'm genuinely looking for weaknesses and problems with this hypothetical solar system. This is something which should probably be debated to death for a couple of decades, before implementing it. This is just my uninformed suggestion. On the other hand, we might never get everyone to agree to ANY sort of new solar system, so there might have to be somewhat of an arbitrary component. What is the proper sphere of power? What are the appropriate limits to power? Power is really a necessary evil, isn't it? Ideally, the international and interplanetary level of cooperation should be such that we don't need to rely on POWER. Is POWER a sin? I wonder. My computer just got attacked, so I'm probably getting warm. Actually, I know so much, because I'm a 666th Degree Mason...

Think of a Solar System University system consisting of maybe 100 campuses throughout the solar system, which would have well developed departments of Solar System Studies and Governance. There might be 80 campuses on Earth, and 20 at other solar system locations, such as the Moon, Venus, Mars, (Nibiru!), various moons, asteroids, and even spaceships (such as the USSS Namaste aka Phobos). These campuses would be staffed by many United States of the Solar System Representatives, who would communicate with each other via an uber-secure InterPlaNet computer system featuring the latest Cray supercomputers. Imagine attending the University of the Solar System at Nibiru!!! Imagine taking classes from Jesuits, Alphabet Agents, Nazis, Masons, Magicians, Dracs, Greys, Annunaki, Gods, Goddesses, visiting professors from Sirius, et al!!! Is this playing with the hellfire of a very hot Trojan Horse? Is this the way of the future? Damned if I know. Those bastards never tell me anything. They keep me guessing. I'm not necessarily saying that there should not be an oversight committee or a theocratic aspect to all of this, but I am saying that there should be appropriate checks and balances in place to keep this pipe-dream of responsible-freedom from spiralling out of control, getting hijacked, or blowing-up in our faces. The universe might be a VERY hostile and nasty place. I suspect that we are shielded from one helluva lot of upsetting information. Some of this is probably designed to deceive us, but some of the blackout is probably designed to prevent society from going to hell. Just more speculation. Once again, I am not shaking my fist at God in all of this. I am simply trying to proceed in a responsible manner. If the Creator God of the Universe imposes Divine Intervention, then So Be It. But I'm not very trusting toward the local gods and goddesses. I'm trying to figure out what has been going wrong on this planet for thousands of years. It isn't a pretty picture, despite the beautiful pictures of Earth from geosynchronous obit. I feel an overwhelming sense of dread. I just want to repeat that I envision a perfected humanity living in a perfected solar system - WITHOUT ANY ARMAGEDDON OR EXTERMINATION OF ANY KIND. I think there may be malevolent forces in this universe who want us dead - or at least suffering - and wishing we were dead. I want to repeat also that if any of you (human or otherwise) are not here to help the human race achieve SUSTAINABLE RESPONSIBLE FREEDOM - then please leave this solar system now - without harming anyone or anything. I'm serious about a SOLAR SYSTEM EXORCISM. I'm serious about establishing a NAMASTE CONSTITUTIONAL RESPONSIBLE FREEDOM SOLAR SYSTEM AKA THE UNITED STATES OF THE SOLAR SYSTEM - BASED UPON RESPONSIBILITY AND THE U.S. CONSTITUTION. If any of you are waiting for me to change my mind - it isn't going to happen. I doubt that I have much clout - but I will continue to pretend that I do. What's funny about all of this - is that I'll probably be long-gone by the time this becomes a reality. This concept will probably rise from the ashes (phoenix-like) of a failed New World Order - so please prepare to rebuild this world - the right way.What Would Anu Do? (WWAD?)

What if there is a fundamental set of issues which separates God the Father from God the Son? What if the 'Second Coming' will be the Second Coming of God the Father? What if God the Father either left, or was forceably removed? What if Michael/Horus/Mithras/Jesus never left? What if he was both Original Hostage and Omnipotent Highness? What if Isis/Ra are running the show? What if they stole the show? What if Jesus is completely out of power, and has been for thousands of years? What if God the Father will return when His Character is perfectly reproduced in Michael/Horus/Mithras/Jesus? Or, is the Second Coming occurring presently? What if a critical mass of 144,000 Fatherlike or Christlike Human Beings are necessary to usher in eschatological occurrances? It might be later than we think. How might a United States of the Solar System fit into all of this? Would this have to be a Theocratic United States of the Solar System? Oxymoron or One Nation Under God? Are both the Old and New World Orders really Nations Under Satan? Something is a brewing! Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm...Meanwhile, back in the 'real' world, I need to practice what I preach, and immerse (entangle?) myself in all of my threads - and what a tangled-web I've woven!!! Someone keeps changing the spellling in my posts, and slowing my computer way, way, way down. Is that you Ra?? Or is it Ra-ven?? I'd better stop.

There's got to be a group of people in their 60's, who meet regularly, and who really know what's going on, from both a corrupt and non-corrupt perspective. I keep trying to imagine what meeting with the truly best and brightest beings in the solar system might be like. If I were ever around such individuals, I would keep silent, and just listen and learn. I don't think such an activity would make me happy. I probably wouldn't like the view at the top of the pyramid. I might even want to jump-off. Anyone who really wants to learn, can learn. There is SO much information available to the public. Regardless of any future opportunities, or lack thereof, I might mostly just keep doing what I'm doing right now. But I still think it might be cool to live in an old missile-silo, and have an old Cray. I continue to think that I will always be a mixture of incurable-optimism and unyielding-despair. I am also completely open to new and innovative ideas I have never thought of before. I feel very unsettled regarding my ideas and proposals. I really just wanted to discuss them in a very detailed manner, but this hasn't happened. The level of scholarship possible in connection with solar system studies and governance is absolutely mind-boggling. My physical, mental, spiritual, and emotional issues have sort of hamstrung my intellectual abilities. Everything is a battle. My strategy is to read more books, watch more documentaries, review this thread over and over, and actually do some writing which might not resemble the materials in this thread, and which would be in novel-form and without a lot of the questions and speculations. Just good 'ol fashioned science fiction!

I think I need to go to church, but I don't know where. Not at this point. Too much water has gone under the bridge. Probably the Episcopal Church aka Middle-Way. Actually, I might go to a different church -- every Saturday and Sunday -- just to cover my bases!! On never knows who might REALLY be right -- and be the Apple of God's Eye!! I really liked participating in the Crystal Cathedral for several years, and I wish I had never left, although I think I was there during some of their best years. That ministry should be studied exhaustively regarding both the pros and the cons. I would like to see ALL of Dr. Robert H. Schuller's books and sermons condensed into just the principles and concepts, without the names and personalities. I would also like to see what Dr. Schuller wrote and taught about responsibility. I'll bet there was quite a bit. One must remember that Schuller's ministry was built upon the traditional church and the ministry of Dr. Norman Vincent Peale. Starting with Schuller might be a mistake. One must go back to the underlying foundation, and not just look at the shiny glass cathedral. This is very important. I continue to think that Bob's ministry was corrective, rather than being normative. Bob Schuller and Bruce Larson once talked about me briefly on a plane trip. Scout's Honor. That's probably when the guy got slapped! I should stop.

Sometimes I think that just singing a dozen hymns, with really cool accompaniments, and listening to Schuller-like sermons based upon Positive Response Ability would be very close to the mark. Or perhaps just processing in, singing hymns, then singing a dozen more hymns, and processing out while singing a closing hymn would do the trick! I'm NOT kidding! Properly sung hymns are the secret-weapon of the church. I value the writings of Mrs. Ellen G. White, but in modernity they take a lot of work to deal with in a proper manner, and I'm afraid that the overall effect on the public might be somewhat problematic. But they are highly, highly profound, if one is willing to take the time and effort to REALLY dig into them. I'll bet there are some Jesuits who know a HELLUVA LOT about Ellen White and her writings. They know what I'm talking about. It is more blessed to wrestle, than it is to quote and shout! I recommend using the Teachings of Jesus as a mental and spiritual exercise, rather than being a comprehensive encyclical on life, the universe, and everything. I'm still privately contemplating the Teachings of Jesus, the U.S. Constitution, the Latin Mass, and Sacred Classical Music. Again, it is more blessed to wrestle, than to quote and shout. Do your fighting on the inside. I often sound like Alex Jones on the inside, but never on the outside.  


I have traipsed into a lot of very sensitive topics like a drunken-sailor. If I have hurt anyone, I am very, very sorry. I'm about to take a much more careful look at all of this, and I hope to resemble a graduate student. What do you think about the idea of centering solar system studies and governance in a vast solar system university, with dozens of campuses throughout the solar system? This is all preliminary and conceptual. I continue to seek discussion, seemingly in vain. I'm looking for a new home, where I can actually discuss solar system studies and governance. Do any of you have any suggestions? I haven't done a lot of searching, but I think the time has arrived for me to do so. Talking to oneself has its advantages and disadvantages, and lately, the downside has been outpacing the upside. Or perhaps I need to stop talking completely, even to myself, and start doing something useful with my life before I die. But what could I do that isn't already being done? Perhaps I should start a shelter for homeless and battered greys and dracs in an old missile silo somewhere! Save the Greys! Forget the damn whales! This would bring great peace and meaning into my empty existence! Or perhaps I should attempt to overthrow the Council of Thuban! How about starting a Mars Hill Think-Tank on Cydonia?! Or what about founding a Whole Solar System Expo?! Should I move to Las Vegas and attend all the Tin-Foil Hat Conventions?! Should I move to the area beneath Area 51?! I might be able to get into some serious arguments about the U.S. Constitution with captured aliens!! Maybe I could move in with TREEE, and we could discuss the Sangarians while we - never mind!! Or, I could just argue with Isis and Ra! Your careful attention in this heartrending matter will be most appreciated. This ends the test of the Emergency Solar System. You will now be returned to your regular programming. Namaste and Have a Nice Day!!!

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You guys and gals MUST get the DVD's of the Complete Fifth Series of 'Dr. Who' from the BBC. www.amazon.com It is FULL of clues, and it is quite entertaining! Notice the Queen in 'The Beast Below'. Watch the whole episode, and notice everything about the Doctor and the Queen. I think I might've met the Queen, in many different forms, in many different lifetimes, including this one. Now I'm going to get rid of my inhibitions, and go completely insane. I might even eat My Dragon and the Last Supper. Seriously, I don't know how this all ties together, but I do think I have assembled some of the components in this thread (and others). I have a much clearer mental picture of what I think is going on than I could ever communicate on a website. You'd have to really immerse yourself in this stuff, to really 'get-it', and 'getting-it' might not be a good thing, for now anyway...

I honestly don't want trouble -- but I suspect that I will be made to make trouble -- in some way, shape, or form. Damned if I do?? Damned if I don't?? Things can be spun any way the PTB wish -- or so it seems. If I want change -- that might be construed as rebellion. If I don't want change -- that might be construed as me being a Custodian of the Status-Quo. This whole thing seems like some sort of a Courtroom Popularity-Contest -- wherein whatever one says (or doesn't say) can (and will) be used against them.

The following is a composite of previous posts, which I wished to focus upon. Is Greed Good? Greed may be good - but Responsibility Rocks! Here is a thread on "Healthy Competition?" from AV1: http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=13299 This thread is sort of related to my 'Lucifer' thread, and my 'Tibet, Kali, and the Trinity Goddess' thread. If one was in a perfect Garden of Eden or a Harmonious Heaven - with a Kind and Loving God in charge - what more could one want? But what if one wished to exercise their creativity, curiosity, and ambition - in forbidden ways? Something has been bothering me a lot for a long time. It has to do with why we seem to be killing ourselves with industrialization, high-technology surveillance and warfare, designer diseases, massive pollution, bitter science vs religion battles, acute-care drugs and surgery medicine instead of prevention, and running around like chickens with our heads cut off instead of smelling the roses and savoring the creation. There's a lot more to it than what I just said - and I will try to elaborate on this in subsequent posts. I'm really trying to get at why Lucifer rebelled against God (assuming that this actually did occur in some way, shape, or form). I seem to be enamored with Lucifer - to an unhealthy degree. My speculations are causing me a significant amount of mental anguish - but I'm beginning to think that a Lucifer Centered Search for Truth - might yield the clearest view of the way things really are. I have no particular animosity toward Lucifer (assuming that Lucifer actually exists) - and I simply want to try to figure things out - and eventually try to find some peace of mind. I have very little presently - and I feel a bit like Elvis Presley - who wished for a single day of peace. Sometimes I wonder if I might even be Lucifer with amnesia - or a potential Lucifer of the future. Thinking about Lucifer related subjects and issues is scaring the hell out of me. I love it in one way - but I seem to keep sliding down the slippery slope - into I know not what. The horror.


If you can - get DVD's of 'Contact' and 'Avatar' - and watch them several times - noting especially the philosophical and theological aspects. Also - consider 'The Lucifer Effect - MIT Lecture'. This is just a start. I continue to think that unconventional and heretical theological pursuits will provide many solutions - possibly even disclosure. I continue to contemplate a harmonization of the Teachings of Jesus, the U.S. Constitution, and the Latin Mass. This may be a dead-end, and we may need to move way beyond such a historical approach, but I think there is merit in exploring this possibility - as a mental and spiritual exercise - if nothing else. I'm just rambling now. I'm concerned that society may be on the verge of getting a lot meaner and nastier. If half of what I have speculated about is true - this could cause a lot of societal problems - some of them possibly violent. Waking people up could backfire - if we're not very careful. Are we creating mass-hysteria? Should maybe 10% of the key people of the world be properly woken-up? I think I might be trying to do this in my various postings and threads. I wonder who really reads them? I do not wish to yell 'FIRE!!!' in a crowded theater. I continue to seek a top-down non-revolution - to make the world and solar system a better place. I'm too lazy, stupid, and squeamish to run in the streets with torches and pitchforks. I much prefer armchair blogging. Born to blog. The incredible blog.

Has technology and industrialization made us better and happier people? Have any wars in the history of the universe really done anyone any real good? Why do we compete with each other? What if we stopped competing with each other? Would we have a greater or lesser chance of survival? Would the breed improve if we ceased to compete? Was it John D. Rockefeller who said 'Competition is a Sin'? Why do we need jets, trains, busses, nukes, cities, cathedrals, mansions, space-travel, etc, etc? Why can't we live in teepees or grass huts? We seem to be killing ourselves in very sophisticated and clever ways. If we destroy ourselves - then what?

Are love and pity really signs of weakness? Are positive-thinking and self-esteem really delusions? Would a focus on responsibility result in appropriate levels of love, pity, positive-thinking, and self-esteem? A long, long time ago - I proposed a Religion of Responsibility to a well-known theologian - and he liked the idea - but I never followed-through - until now, that is. This general subject may be more important than you can imagine. How did a pristine solar system get so screwed-up? How do we make this solar system pristine again? How do we keep it that way? This gets right at the core of Solar System Governance and my pet Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System aka The United States of the Solar System. Once again, I don't really know if this is the correct approach, but I do know that the subject needs to be discussed extensively - rather than gravitating to the latest fad, sensation, guru, or freak-show.

"In that vast throng are multitudes of the long-lived race that existed before the Flood; men of lofty stature and giant intellect, who, yielding to the control of fallen angels, devoted all their skill and knowledge to the exaltation of themselves; men whose wonderful works of art led the world to idolize their genius, but whose cruelty and evil inventions, defiling the earth and defacing the image of God, caused Him to blot them from the face of His creation."- 'The Great Controversy' by Ellen White.

Did these beings, spoken of above, survive the Deluge (in Tibet perhaps?) and proceed to rule over us? Think of Ancient Babylon, Ancient Egypt, Ancient Greece, Ancient Rome, Papal Rome, the Nazi Party, and the New World Order - as being ruled over by this race. Does the shoe fit? If so - what can be constructively done? Might they be sort of like the Ori and the Goa'uld in Stargate SG-1? Could they be the equivalent of the Reptilians which Alex Collier describes? Or could they be in league with the Reptilians? Or did they CREATE the Reptilians in a Hybridization Program? Might Reptilians be the Ultimate Human/Reptile Super-Soldiers? Hallowed Be the Ori? How Much Philosophical, Spiritual, and Technological Trouble Might We Really Be In? Talk to Me Lucifer.

Where should I post this sort of thing? Should I post this sort of thing? There is a fleeting window of opportunity to get this thing right - and I'm just not seeing it happen. Is there a site somewhere on the internet with tens of thousands of regular posters - who are interested in what we discuss? I'm thinking that Kali, the Jesuits, and the Alphabet Agents have me all figured out (knowing more about me than I know about myself) - and on the proper lists (probably including the Red-List) - but that very few others really notice - in a world of seven billion human beings - and goddess knows how many hybrid humanoids. The subjects are driving me crazy - but the lack of interest and response is driving me even crazier. The cumulative effect is not positive - and there really does not seem to be a bright future in whipping a dead horse (or whipping a live Whore of Babylon). I wonder if Kali is into that sort of thing? Sticks and stones may break my bones - but whips and chains excite me! What about that debate-date Kali? You bring the whips - and I'll bring the chains!

I just keep imagining what it might be like to be a fly on the wall when people who REALLY know what's going on are deep into a several hour long discussion/debate regarding the most sensitive issues in the solar system - which is completely off the record - with no recordings or minutes kept. THAT would be completely different than anything we have been exposed to (I think). This might sound hokey - but I'm trying to look at things through the hypothetical eyes of the goddess who I think MIGHT have been at the center of things in this solar system - going back tens of thousands of years - with complete reincarnational recall - and massive learning. It's easy to get very lost in the process of doing this - and I don't necessarily recommend it. I think theology is central - but that the sacred texts, visions, preachers, scholars, gurus, and channeling cannot be trusted. If I wasn't so afraid of them - I would love to study with renegade Jesuits and Alphabet Agents - who I think - know more than just about anyone else. But I really don't want to venture away from the illusory security of my own home and my spyware laden PC. I once attended a lecture given by a black Jesuit from San Francisco. He was a very eloquent scholar. I just think these people are ultimately working for the wrong boss. Unfortunately, this boss may really be in the driver's seat in this solar system - whether anyone likes it or not. I used to be Christocentric - but I am toying with the possibility that a goddess created virtually all of the sacred texts and religions. This is just more speculation, of course - but thinking this way might provide insights, unobtainable in any other way. Obviously, I don't worship or venerate this hypothetical minor deity. In fact, I am down-right irreverent. I keep asking this hypothetical goddess out on a debate-date - but so far, I have received no response - and I doubt that I ever will - even if they do actually exist.

Back to the subject at hand - the words in the title of this thread are so central and far-reaching - but It takes a lot of hard mental work to really get some productive thought processes going which involve all of these words. I think that RESPONSIBILITY tempers and qualifies each word - such that they all become constructive in nature. Art Bell has said a lot about 'The Quickening'. IRRESPONSIBILITY seems to be the major culprit in the melt-down and destruction of our civilization. Once again - the movie 'Contact' contains a lot of food for thought regarding the words under consideration.

I think we may have to be hard-driving Illuminati-types - but without the corruption and creepy ritual rubbish. Are touchy-feely types going to save the world? I've been way, way too easy-going, accomodating, and gullible in my life - and I have paid a terrible price for not being more aggressive. If we sing kumbaya - the rich and powerful are going to keep right on observing the golden-rule (He who has the gold - RULES). How do we achieve a proper balance of exoteric/esoteric, cooperation/competition, etc/etc?

I'm just casting my pearls into the nether worlds of cyberspace. Who knows, a Pluto-Dude might be using them on a local website called plutocrat.plu! Your experiences are quite interesting. I remain conflicted regarding visions and supernatural experiences. I tend to be wary, and to distrust my own. I just add them to all of the other data. Your fondness for Kali is fascinating. I know someone who studies this sort of thing, and they also have a fondness for Kali. They had no idea that Kali is known as a goddess of destruction - which is often depicted in the artwork devoted to Kali. I am thinking of Kali as being a mixture of good and evil. I think this of all of the gods and goddesses. All of the gods and goddesses might be various expressions of a single minor deity. This is my theory - and I'm sticking to it - for now.

PAPER 53: THE LUCIFER REBELLION - from The Urantia Book http://www.urantia.org/en/urantia-book-standardized/paper-53-lucifer-rebellion

53:0.1 Lucifer was a brilliant primary Lanonandek Son of Nebadon. He had experienced service in many systems, had been a high counselor of his group, and was distinguished for wisdom, sagacity, and efficiency. Lucifer was number 37 of his order, and when commissioned by the Melchizedeks, he was designated as one of the one hundred most able and brilliant personalities in more than seven hundred thousand of his kind. From such a magnificent beginning, through evil and error, he embraced sin and now is numbered as one of three System Sovereigns in Nebadon who have succumbed to the urge of self and surrendered to the sophistry of spurious personal liberty—rejection of universe allegiance and disregard of fraternal obligations, blindness to cosmic relationships.
53:0.2 In the universe of Nebadon, the domain of Christ Michael, there are ten thousand systems of inhabited worlds. In all the history of Lanonandek Sons, in all their work throughout these thousands of systems and at the universe headquarters, only three System Sovereigns have ever been found in contempt of the government of the Creator Son.
053:1 THE LEADERS OF REBELLION
53:1.1 Lucifer was not an ascendant being; he was a created Son of the local universe, and of him it was said: " You were perfect in all your ways from the day you were created till unrighteousness was found in you. " Many times had he been in counsel with the Most Highs of Edentia. And Lucifer reigned " upon the holy mountain of God, " the administrative mount of Jerusem, for he was the chief executive of a great system of 607 inhabited worlds.
53:1.2 Lucifer was a magnificent being, a brilliant personality; he stood next to the Most High Fathers of the constellations in the direct line of universe authority. Notwithstanding Lucifer's transgression, subordinate intelligences refrained from showing him disrespect and disdain prior to Michael's bestowal on Urantia. Even the archangel of Michael, at the time of Moses' resurrection, " did not bring against him an accusing judgment but simply said, `the Judge rebuke you.' " Judgment in such matters belongs to the Ancients of Days, the rulers of the superuniverse.
53:1.3 Lucifer is now the fallen and deposed Sovereign of Satania. Self-contemplation is most disastrous, even to the exalted personalities of the celestial world. Of Lucifer it was said: " Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty; you corrupted your wisdom because of your brightness. " Your olden prophet saw his sad estate when he wrote: " How are you fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How are you cast down, you who dared to confuse the worlds! "
53:1.4 Very little was heard of Lucifer on Urantia owing to the fact that he assigned his first lieutenant, Satan, to advocate his cause on your planet. Satan was a member of the same primary group of Lanonandeks but had never functioned as a System Sovereign; he entered fully into the Lucifer insurrection. The " devil " is none other than Caligastia, the deposed Planetary Prince of Urantia and a Son of the secondary order of Lanonandeks. At the time Michael was on Urantia in the flesh, Lucifer, Satan, and Caligastia were leagued together to effect the miscarriage of his bestowal mission. But they signally failed.
53:1.5 Abaddon was the chief of the staff of Caligastia. He followed his master into rebellion and has ever since acted as chief executive of the Urantia rebels. Beelzebub was the leader of the disloyal midway creatures who allied themselves with the forces of the traitorous Caligastia.
53:1.6 The dragon eventually became the symbolic representation of all these evil personages. Upon the triumph of Michael, " Gabriel came down from Salvington and bound the dragon (all the rebel leaders) for an age. " Of the Jerusem seraphic rebels it is written: " And the angels who kept not their first estate but left their own habitation, he has reserved in sure chains of darkness to the judgment of the great day. "

53:2 THE CAUSES OF REBELLION
53:2.1 Lucifer and his first assistant, Satan, had reigned on Jerusem for more than five hundred thousand years when in their hearts they began to array themselves against the Universal Father and his then vicegerent Son, Michael.
53:2.2 There were no peculiar or special conditions in the system of Satania which suggested or favored rebellion. It is our belief that the idea took origin and form in Lucifer's mind, and that he might have instigated such a rebellion no matter where he might have been stationed. Lucifer first announced his plans to Satan, but it required several months to corrupt the mind of his able and brilliant associate. However, when once converted to the rebel theories, he became a bold and earnest advocate of " self-assertion and liberty. "
53:2.3 No one ever suggested rebellion to Lucifer. The idea of self-assertion in opposition to the will of Michael and to the plans of the Universal Father, as they are represented in Michael, had its origin in his own mind. His relations with the Creator Son had been intimate and always cordial. At no time prior to the exaltation of his own mind did Lucifer openly express dissatisfaction about the universe administration. Notwithstanding his silence, for more than one hundred years of standard time the Union of Days on Salvington had been reflectivating to Uversa that all was not at peace in Lucifer's mind. This information was also communicated to the Creator Son and the Constellation Fathers of Norlatiadek.
53:2.4 Throughout this period Lucifer became increasingly critical of the entire plan of universe administration but always professed wholehearted loyalty to the Supreme Rulers. His first outspoken disloyalty was manifested on the occasion of a visit of Gabriel to Jerusem just a few days before the open proclamation of the Lucifer Declaration of Liberty. Gabriel was so profoundly impressed with the certainty of the impending outbreak that he went direct to Edentia to confer with the Constellation Fathers regarding the measures to be employed in case of open rebellion.
53:2.5 It is very difficult to point out the exact cause or causes which finally culminated in the Lucifer rebellion. We are certain of only one thing, and that is: Whatever these first beginnings were, they had their origin in Lucifer's mind. There must have been a pride of self that nourished itself to the point of self-deception, so that Lucifer for a time really persuaded himself that his contemplation of rebellion was actually for the good of the system, if not of the universe. By the time his plans had developed to the point of disillusionment, no doubt he had gone too far for his original and mischief-making pride to permit him to stop. At some point in this experience he became insincere, and evil evolved into deliberate and willful sin. That this happened is proved by the subsequent conduct of this brilliant executive. He was long offered opportunity for repentance, but only some of his subordinates ever accepted the proffered mercy. The Faithful of Days of Edentia, on the request of the Constellation Fathers, in person presented the plan of Michael for the saving of these flagrant rebels, but always was the mercy of the Creator Son rejected and rejected with increasing contempt and disdain.

53:3 THE LUCIFER MANIFESTO
53:3.1 Whatever the early origins of trouble in the hearts of Lucifer and Satan, the final outbreak took form as the Lucifer Declaration of Liberty. The cause of the rebels was stated under three heads:
53:3.2 1. The reality of the Universal Father. Lucifer charged that the Universal Father did not really exist, that physical gravity and space-energy were inherent in the universe, and that the Father was a myth invented by the Paradise Sons to enable them to maintain the rule of the universes in the Father's name. He denied that personality was a gift of the Universal Father. He even intimated that the finaliters were in collusion with the Paradise Sons to foist fraud upon all creation since they never brought back a very clear-cut idea of the Father's actual personality as it is discernible on Paradise. He traded on reverence as ignorance. The charge was sweeping, terrible, and blasphemous. It was this veiled attack upon the finaliters that no doubt influenced the ascendant citizens then on Jerusem to stand firm and remain steadfast in resistance to all the rebel's proposals.
53:3.3 2. The universe government of the Creator Son—Michael. Lucifer contended that the local systems should be autonomous. He protested against the right of Michael, the Creator Son, to assume sovereignty of Nebadon in the name of a hypothetical Paradise Father and require all personalities to acknowledge allegiance to this unseen Father. He asserted that the whole plan of worship was a clever scheme to aggrandize the Paradise Sons. He was willing to acknowledge Michael as his Creator-father but not as his God and rightful ruler.
53:3.4 Most bitterly did he attack the right of the Ancients of Days—" foreign potentates "—to interfere in the affairs of the local systems and universes. These rulers he denounced as tyrants and usurpers. He exhorted his followers to believe that none of these rulers could do aught to interfere with the operation of complete home rule if men and angels only had the courage to assert themselves and boldly claim their rights.
53:3.5 He contended that the executioners of the Ancients of Days could be debarred from functioning in the local systems if the native beings would only assert their independence. He maintained that immortality was inherent in the system personalities, that resurrection was natural and automatic, and that all beings would live eternally except for the arbitrary and unjust acts of the executioners of the Ancients of Days.
53:3.6 3. The attack upon the universal plan of ascendant mortal training. Lucifer maintained that far too much time and energy were expended upon the scheme of so thoroughly training ascending mortals in the principles of universe administration, principles which he alleged were unethical and unsound. He protested against the agelong program for preparing the mortals of space for some unknown destiny and pointed to the presence of the finaliter corps on Jerusem as proof that these mortals had spent ages of preparation for some destiny of pure fiction. With derision he pointed out that the finaliters had encountered a destiny no more glorious than to be returned to humble spheres similar to those of their origin. He intimated that they had been debauched by overmuch discipline and prolonged training, and that they were in reality traitors to their mortal fellows since they were now co-operating with the scheme of enslaving all creation to the fictions of a mythical eternal destiny for ascending mortals. He advocated that ascenders should enjoy the liberty of individual self-determination. He challenged and condemned the entire plan of mortal ascension as sponsored by the Paradise Sons of God and supported by the Infinite Spirit.
53:3.7 And it was with such a Declaration of Liberty that Lucifer launched his orgy of darkness and death.

53:4 OUTBREAK OF THE REBELLION
53:4.1 The Lucifer manifesto was issued at the annual conclave of Satania on the sea of glass, in the presence of the assembled hosts of Jerusem, on the last day of the year, about two hundred thousand years ago, Urantia time. Satan proclaimed that worship could be accorded the universal forces—physical, intellectual, and spiritual—but that allegiance could be acknowledged only to the actual and present ruler, Lucifer, the " friend of men and angels " and the " God of liberty. "
53:4.2 Self-assertion was the battle cry of the Lucifer rebellion. One of his chief arguments was that, if self-government was good and right for the Melchizedeks and other groups, it was equally good for all orders of intelligence. He was bold and persistent in the advocacy of the " equality of mind " and " the brotherhood of intelligence. " He maintained that all government should be limited to the local planets and their voluntary confederation into the local systems. All other supervision he disallowed. He promised the Planetary Princes that they should rule the worlds as supreme executives. He denounced the location of legislative activities on the constellation headquarters and the conduct of judicial affairs on the universe capital. He contended that all these functions of government should be concentrated on the system capitals and proceeded to set up his own legislative assembly and organized his own tribunals under the jurisdiction of Satan. And he directed that the princes on the apostate worlds do the same.
53:4.3 The entire administrative cabinet of Lucifer went over in a body and were sworn in publicly as the officers of the administration of the new head of " the liberated worlds and systems. "
53:4.4 While there had been two previous rebellions in Nebadon, they were in distant constellations. Lucifer held that these insurrections were unsuccessful because the majority of the intelligences failed to follow their leaders. He contended that " majorities rule, " that " mind is infallible. " The freedom allowed him by the universe rulers apparently sustained many of his nefarious contentions. He defied all his superiors; yet they apparently took no note of his doings. He was given a free hand to prosecute his seductive plan without let or hindrance.
53:4.5 All the merciful delays of justice Lucifer pointed to as evidence of the inability of the government of the Paradise Sons to stop the rebellion. He would openly defy and arrogantly challenge Michael, Immanuel, and the Ancients of Days and then point to the fact that no action ensued as positive evidence of the impotency of the universe and the superuniverse governments.
53:4.6 Gabriel was personally present throughout all these disloyal proceedings and only announced that he would, in due time, speak for Michael, and that all beings would be left free and unmolested in their choice; that the " government of the Sons for the Father desired only that loyalty and devotion which was voluntary, wholehearted, and sophistry-proof. "
53:4.7 Lucifer was permitted fully to establish and thoroughly to organize his rebel government before Gabriel made any effort to contest the right of secession or to counterwork the rebel propaganda. But the Constellation Fathers immediately confined the action of these disloyal personalities to the system of Satania. Nevertheless, this period of delay was a time of great trial and testing to the loyal beings of all Satania. All was chaotic for a few years, and there was great confusion on the mansion worlds.

53:5 NATURE OF THE CONFLICT
53:5.1 Upon the outbreak of the Satania rebellion, Michael took counsel of his Paradise brother, Immanuel. Following this momentous conference, Michael announced that he would pursue the same policy which had characterized his dealings with similar upheavals in the past, an attitude of noninterference.
53:5.2 At the time of this rebellion and the two which preceded it there was no absolute and personal sovereign authority in the universe of Nebadon. Michael ruled by divine right, as vicegerent of the Universal Father, but not yet in his own personal right. He had not completed his bestowal career; he had not yet been vested with " all power in heaven and on earth. "
53:5.3 From the outbreak of rebellion to the day of his enthronement as sovereign ruler of Nebadon, Michael never interfered with the rebel forces of Lucifer; they were allowed to run a free course for almost two hundred thousand years of Urantia time. Christ Michael now has ample power and authority to deal promptly, even summarily, with such outbreaks of disloyalty, but we doubt that this sovereign authority would lead him to act differently if another such upheaval should occur.
53:5.4 Since Michael elected to remain aloof from the actual warfare of the Lucifer rebellion, Gabriel called his personal staff together on Edentia and, in counsel with the Most Highs, elected to assume command of the loyal hosts of Satania. Michael remained on Salvington while Gabriel proceeded to Jerusem, and establishing himself on the sphere dedicated to the Father—the same Universal Father whose personality Lucifer and Satan had questioned—in the presence of the forgathered hosts of loyal personalities, he displayed the banner of Michael, the material emblem of the Trinity government of all creation, the three azure blue concentric circles on a white background.
53:5.5 The Lucifer emblem was a banner of white with one red circle, in the center of which a black solid circle appeared.
53:5.6 " There was war in heaven; Michael's commander and his angels fought against the dragon (Lucifer, Satan, and the apostate princes); and the dragon and his rebellious angels fought but prevailed not. " This " war in heaven " was not a physical battle as such a conflict might be conceived on Urantia. In the early days of the struggle Lucifer held forth continuously in the planetary amphitheater. Gabriel conducted an unceasing exposure of the rebel sophistries from his headquarters taken up near at hand. The various personalities present on the sphere who were in doubt as to their attitude would journey back and forth between these discussions until they arrived at a final decision.
53:5.7 But this war in heaven was very terrible and very real. While displaying none of the barbarities so characteristic of physical warfare on the immature worlds, this conflict was far more deadly; material life is in jeopardy in material combat, but the war in heaven was fought in terms of life eternal.

53:6 A LOYAL SERAPHIC COMMANDER
53:6.1 There were many noble and inspiring acts of devotion and loyalty which were performed by numerous personalities during the interim between the outbreak of hostilities and the arrival of the new system ruler and his staff. But the most thrilling of all these daring feats of devotion was the courageous conduct of Manotia, the second in command of the Satania headquarters' seraphim.
53:6.2 At the outbreak of rebellion on Jerusem the head of the seraphic hosts joined the Lucifer cause. This no doubt explains why such a large number of the fourth order, the system administrator seraphim, went astray. The seraphic leader was spiritually blinded by the brilliant personality of Lucifer; his charming ways fascinated the lower orders of celestial beings. They simply could not comprehend that it was possible for such a dazzling personality to go wrong.
53:6.3 Not long since, in describing the experiences associated with the onset of the Lucifer rebellion, Manotia said: " But my most exhilarating moment was the thrilling adventure connected with the Lucifer rebellion when, as second seraphic commander, I refused to participate in the projected insult to Michael; and the powerful rebels sought my destruction by means of the liaison forces they had arranged. There was a tremendous upheaval on Jerusem, but not a single loyal seraphim was harmed.
53:6.4 " Upon the default of my immediate superior it devolved upon me to assume command of the angelic hosts of Jerusem as the titular director of the confused seraphic affairs of the system. I was morally upheld by the Melchizedeks, ably assisted by a majority of the Material Sons, deserted by a tremendous group of my own order, but magnificently supported by the ascendant mortals on Jerusem.
53:6.5 " Having been automatically thrown out of the constellation circuits by the secession of Lucifer, we were dependent on the loyalty of our intelligence corps, who forwarded calls for help to Edentia from the near-by system of Rantulia; and we found that the kingdom of order, the intellect of loyalty, and the spirit of truth were inherently triumphant over rebellion, self-assertion, and so-called personal liberty; we were able to carry on until the arrival of the new System Sovereign, the worthy successor of Lucifer. And immediately thereafter I was assigned to the corps of the Melchizedek receivership of Urantia, assuming jurisdiction over the loyal seraphic orders on the world of the traitorous Caligastia, who had proclaimed his sphere a member of the newly projected system of `liberated worlds and emancipated personalities' proposed in the infamous Declaration of Liberty issued by Lucifer in his call to the `liberty-loving, free-thinking, and forward-looking intelligences of the misruled and maladministered worlds of Satania.' "
53:6.6 This angel is still in service on Urantia, functioning as associate chief of seraphim.

53:7 HISTORY OF THE REBELLION
53:7.1 The Lucifer rebellion was system wide. Thirty-seven seceding Planetary Princes swung their world administrations largely to the side of the archrebel. Only on Panoptia did the Planetary Prince fail to carry his people with him. On this world, under the guidance of the Melchizedeks, the people rallied to the support of Michael. Ellanora, a young woman of that mortal realm, grasped the leadership of the human races, and not a single soul on that strife-torn world enlisted under the Lucifer banner. And ever since have these loyal Panoptians served on the seventh Jerusem transition world as the caretakers and builders on the Father's sphere and its surrounding seven detention worlds. The Panoptians not only act as the literal custodians of these worlds, but they also execute the personal orders of Michael for the embellishment of these spheres for some future and unknown use. They do this work as they tarry en route to Edentia.
53:7.2 Throughout this period Caligastia was advocating the cause of Lucifer on Urantia. The Melchizedeks ably opposed the apostate Planetary Prince, but the sophistries of unbridled liberty and the delusions of self-assertion had every opportunity for deceiving the primitive peoples of a young and undeveloped world.
53:7.3 All secession propaganda had to be carried on by personal effort because the broadcast service and all other avenues of interplanetary communication were suspended by the action of the system circuit supervisors. Upon the actual outbreak of the insurrection the entire system of Satania was isolated in both the constellation and the universe circuits. During this time all incoming and outgoing messages were dispatched by seraphic agents and Solitary Messengers. The circuits to the fallen worlds were also cut off, so that Lucifer could not utilize this avenue for the furtherance of his nefarious scheme. And these circuits will not be restored so long as the archrebel lives within the confines of Satania.
53:7.4 This was a Lanonandek rebellion. The higher orders of local universe sonship did not join the Lucifer secession, although a few of the Life Carriers stationed on the rebel planets were somewhat influenced by the rebellion of the disloyal princes. None of the Trinitized Sons went astray. The Melchizedeks, archangels, and the Brilliant Evening Stars were all loyal to Michael and, with Gabriel, valiantly contended for the Father's will and the Son's rule.
53:7.5 No beings of Paradise origin were involved in disloyalty. Together with the Solitary Messengers they took up headquarters on the world of the Spirit and remained under the leadership of the Faithful of Days of Edentia. None of the conciliators apostatized, nor did a single one of the Celestial Recorders go astray. But a heavy toll was taken of the Morontia Companions and the Mansion World Teachers.
53:7.6 Of the supreme order of seraphim, not an angel was lost, but a considerable group of the next order, the superior, were deceived and ensnared. Likewise a few of the third or supervisor order of angels were misled. But the terrible breakdown came in the fourth group, the administrator angels, those seraphim who are normally assigned to the duties of the system capitals. Manotia saved almost two thirds of them, but slightly over one third followed their chief into the rebel ranks. One third of all the Jerusem cherubim attached to the administrator angels were lost with their disloyal seraphim.
53:7.7 Of the planetary angelic helpers, those assigned to the Material Sons, about one third were deceived, and almost ten per cent of the transition ministers were ensnared. In symbol John saw this when he wrote of the great red dragon, saying: " And his tail drew a third part of the stars of heaven and cast them down in darkness. "
53:7.8 The greatest loss occurred in the angelic ranks, but most of the lower orders of intelligence were involved in disloyalty. Of the 681,227 Material Sons lost in Satania, ninety-five per cent were casualties of the Lucifer rebellion. Large numbers of midway creatures were lost on those individual planets whose Planetary Princes joined the Lucifer cause.
53:7.9 In many respects this rebellion was the most widespread and disastrous of all such occurrences in Nebadon. More personalities were involved in this insurrection than in both of the others. And it is to their everlasting dishonor that the emissaries of Lucifer and Satan spared not the infant-training schools on the finaliter cultural planet but rather sought to corrupt these developing minds in mercy salvaged from the evolutionary worlds.
53:7.10 The ascending mortals were vulnerable, but they withstood the sophistries of rebellion better than the lower spirits. While many on the lower mansion worlds, those who had not attained final fusion with their Adjusters, fell, it is recorded to the glory of the wisdom of the ascension scheme that not a single member of the Satania ascendant citizenship resident on Jerusem participated in the Lucifer rebellion.
53:7.11 Hour by hour and day by day the broadcast stations of all Nebadon were thronged by the anxious watchers of every imaginable class of celestial intelligence, who intently perused the bulletins of the Satania rebellion and rejoiced as the reports continuously narrated the unswerving loyalty of the ascending mortals who, under their Melchizedek leadership, successfully withstood the combined and protracted efforts of all the subtle evil forces which so swiftly gathered around the banners of secession and sin.
53:7.12 It was over two years of system time from the beginning of the " war in heaven " until the installation of Lucifer's successor. But at last the new Sovereign came, landing on the sea of glass with his staff. I was among the reserves mobilized on Edentia by Gabriel, and I well remember the first message of Lanaforge to the Constellation Father of Norlatiadek. It read: " Not a single Jerusem citizen was lost. Every ascendant mortal survived the fiery trial and emerged from the crucial test triumphant and altogether victorious. " And on to Salvington, Uversa, and Paradise went this message of assurance that the survival experience of mortal ascension is the greatest security against rebellion and the surest safeguard against sin. This noble Jerusem band of faithful mortals numbered just 187,432,811.
53:7.13 With the arrival of Lanaforge the archrebels were dethroned and shorn of all governing powers, though they were permitted freely to go about Jerusem, the morontia spheres, and even to the individual inhabited worlds. They continued their deceptive and seductive efforts to confuse and mislead the minds of men and angels. But as concerned their work on the administrative mount of Jerusem, " their place was found no more. "
53:7.14 While Lucifer was deprived of all administrative authority in Satania, there then existed no local universe power nor tribunal which could detain or destroy this wicked rebel; at that time Michael was not a sovereign ruler. The Ancients of Days sustained the Constellation Fathers in their seizure of the system government, but they have never handed down any subsequent decisions in the many appeals still pending with regard to the present status and future disposition of Lucifer, Satan, and their associates.
53:7.15 Thus were these archrebels allowed to roam the entire system to seek further penetration for their doctrines of discontent and self-assertion. But in almost two hundred thousand Urantia years they have been unable to deceive another world. No Satania worlds have been lost since the fall of the thirty-seven, not even those younger worlds peopled since that day of rebellion.

53:8 THE SON OF MAN ON URANTIA
53:8.1 Lucifer and Satan freely roamed the Satania system until the completion of the bestowal mission of Michael on Urantia. They were last on your world together during the time of their combined assault upon the Son of Man.
53:8.2 Formerly, when the Planetary Princes, the " Sons of God, " were periodically assembled, " Satan came also, " claiming that he represented all of the isolated worlds of the fallen Planetary Princes. But he has not been accorded such liberty on Jerusem since Michael's terminal bestowal. Subsequent to their effort to corrupt Michael when in the bestowal flesh, all sympathy for Lucifer and Satan has perished throughout all Satania, that is, outside the isolated worlds of sin.
53:8.3 The bestowal of Michael terminated the Lucifer rebellion in all Satania aside from the planets of the apostate Planetary Princes. And this was the significance of Jesus' personal experience, just before his death in the flesh, when he one day exclaimed to his disciples, " And I beheld Satan fall as lightning from heaven. " He had come with Lucifer to Urantia for the last crucial struggle.
53:8.4 The Son of Man was confident of success, and he knew that his triumph on your world would forever settle the status of his agelong enemies, not only in Satania but also in the other two systems where sin had entered. There was survival for mortals and security for angels when your Master, in reply to the Lucifer proposals, calmly and with divine assurance replied, " Get you behind me, Satan. " That was, in principle, the real end of the Lucifer rebellion. True, the Uversa tribunals have not yet rendered the executive decision regarding the appeal of Gabriel praying for the destruction of the rebels, but such a decree will, no doubt, be forthcoming in the fullness of time since the first step in the hearing of this case has already been taken.
53:8.5 Caligastia was recognized by the Son of Man as the technical Prince of Urantia up to near the time of his death. Said Jesus: " Now is the judgment of this world; now shall the prince of this world be cast down. " And then still nearer the completion of his lifework he announced, " The prince of this world is judged. " And it is this same dethroned and discredited Prince who was once termed " God of Urantia. "
53:8.6 The last act of Michael before leaving Urantia was to offer mercy to Caligastia and Daligastia, but they spurned his tender proffer. Caligastia, your apostate Planetary Prince, is still free on Urantia to prosecute his nefarious designs, but he has absolutely no power to enter the minds of men, neither can he draw near to their souls to tempt or corrupt them unless they really desire to be cursed with his wicked presence.
53:8.7 Before the bestowal of Michael these rulers of darkness sought to maintain their authority on Urantia, and they persistently withstood the minor and subordinate celestial personalities. But since the day of Pentecost this traitorous Caligastia and his equally contemptible associate, Daligastia, are servile before the divine majesty of the Paradise Thought Adjusters and the protective Spirit of Truth, the spirit of Michael, which has been poured out upon all flesh.
53:8.8 But even so, no fallen spirit ever did have the power to invade the minds or to harass the souls of the children of God. Neither Satan nor Caligastia could ever touch or approach the faith sons of God; faith is an effective armor against sin and iniquity. It is true: " He who is born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one touches him not. "
53:8.9 In general, when weak and dissolute mortals are supposed to be under the influence of devils and demons, they are merely being dominated by their own inherent and debased tendencies, being led away by their own natural propensities. The devil has been given a great deal of credit for evil which does not belong to him. Caligastia has been comparatively impotent since the cross of Christ.

53:9 PRESENT STATUS OF THE REBELLION
53:9.1 Early in the days of the Lucifer rebellion, salvation was offered all rebels by Michael. To all who would show proof of sincere repentance, he offered, upon his attainment of complete universe sovereignty, forgiveness and reinstatement in some form of universe service. None of the leaders accepted this merciful proffer. But thousands of the angels and the lower orders of celestial beings, including hundreds of the Material Sons and Daughters, accepted the mercy proclaimed by the Panoptians and were given rehabilitation at the time of Jesus' resurrection nineteen hundred years ago. These beings have since been transferred to the Father's world of Jerusem, where they must be held, technically, until the Uversa courts hand down a decision in the matter of Gabriel vs. Lucifer. But no one doubts that, when the annihilation verdict is issued, these repentant and salvaged personalities will be exempted from the decree of extinction. These probationary souls now labor with the Panoptians in the work of caring for the Father's world.
53:9.2 The archdeceiver has never been on Urantia since the days when he sought to turn back Michael from the purpose to complete the bestowal and to establish himself finally and securely as the unqualified ruler of Nebadon. Upon Michael's becoming the settled head of the universe of Nebadon, Lucifer was taken into custody by the agents of the Uversa Ancients of Days and has since been a prisoner on satellite number one of the Father's group of the transition spheres of Jerusem. And here the rulers of other worlds and systems behold the end of the unfaithful Sovereign of Satania. Paul knew of the status of these rebellious leaders following Michael's bestowal, for he wrote of Caligastia' s chiefs as " spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. "
53:9.3 Michael, upon assuming the supreme sovereignty of Nebadon, petitioned the Ancients of Days for authority to intern all personalities concerned in the Lucifer rebellion pending the rulings of the superuniverse tribunals in the case of Gabriel vs. Lucifer, placed on the records of the Uversa supreme court almost two hundred thousand years ago, as you reckon time. Concerning the system capital group, the Ancients of Days granted the Michael petition with but a single exception: Satan was allowed to make periodic visits to the apostate princes on the fallen worlds until another Son of God should be accepted by such apostate worlds, or until such time as the courts of Uversa should begin the adjudication of the case of Gabriel vs. Lucifer.
53:9.4 Satan could come to Urantia because you had no Son of standing in residence—neither Planetary Prince nor Material Son. Machiventa Melchizedek has since been proclaimed vicegerent Planetary Prince of Urantia, and the opening of the case of Gabriel vs. Lucifer has signalized the inauguration of temporary planetary regimes on all the isolated worlds. It is true that Satan did periodically visit Caligastia and others of the fallen princes right up to the time of the presentation of these revelations, when there occurred the first hearing of Gabriel's plea for the annihilation of the archrebels. Satan is now unqualifiedly detained on the Jerusem prison worlds.
53:9.5 Since Michael's final bestowal no one in all Satania has desired to go to the prison worlds to minister to the interned rebels. And no more beings have been won to the deceiver's cause. For nineteen hundred years the status has been unchanged.
53:9.6 We do not look for a removal of the present Satania restrictions until the Ancients of Days make final disposition of the archrebels. The system circuits will not be reinstated so long as Lucifer lives. Meantime, he is wholly inactive.
53:9.7 The rebellion has ended on Jerusem. It ends on the fallen worlds as fast as divine Sons arrive. We believe that all rebels who will ever accept mercy have done so. We await the flashing broadcast that will deprive these traitors of personality existence. We anticipate the verdict of Uversa will be announced by the executionary broadcast which will effect the annihilation of these interned rebels. Then will you look for their places, but they shall not be found. " And they who know you among the worlds will be astonished at you; you have been a terror, but never shall you be any more. " And thus shall all of these unworthy traitors " become as though they had not been. " All await the Uversa decree.
53:9.8 But for ages the seven prison worlds of spiritual darkness in Satania have constituted a solemn warning to all Nebadon, eloquently and effectively proclaiming the great truth " that the way of the transgressor is hard "; " that within every sin is concealed the seed of its own destruction "; that " the wages of sin is death."

I have been somewhat skeptical regarding the 'galactic wave', 'crossing the galactic plane', 'earth changes', 'global warming', '2012', etc. I fear that they are distractions, covers, or red-herrings designed to enable a hidden-agenda. There are aspects of the goddess concept which I adore - and there are aspects which I despise. I found the 'eight limbs of yoga' to be intriguing. Doesn't Kali have at least eight limbs? Jesus seems to be a perfect blend of masculine and feminine, humanity and divinity. I guess I'm thinking in terms of NOT scaring people, rushing to judgement, making people angry, creating hatred, etc. - but rather informing people through entertainment, or in a round about way - without pressuring them to make major changes or sacrifices. I have seen religious leaders speak authoritatively about the immanent Second Coming of Christ - and that only those who believe and live in certain ways will be saved and rewarded - while the other unlucky souls will be punished and lost. People come forward in altar calls (many of them in tears) to receive salvation. I used to think this was a good thing - but now I think that it is sort of a mass hysteria or mind control phenomenon. We seem to be emotional and irrational in counter-productive and destructive ways. I've recently considered that it is more blessed to learn how to think, and to teach people to think - than it is to coerce them or convince them regarding anything. At this point - I think I just want to become more responsible and more response-able - and then to encourage others to do the same - and just leave it at that. Then they can wake themselves up - in their own way - and in their own time. Eventually the 100th monkey will wake-up - and a positive paradigm-shift will occur. I am uneasy with the term 'harvest'. Does this term imply that not everyone will survive or make it? I insist that everyone survives and makes it - even if some have to exist in sort of an isolated state for a while. Are the PTB tightening the noose by their own free will - or are they being commanded to do so by those who are not human as we know human to be? Are there executive orders stating that the human race shall not gain their freedom - regardless of whether they are responsible or not? Are we serving a life-sentence, with an eventual final-judgment and a final harvest/execution/sacrifice? Do the orders still stand? What would Dick Cheney say?

I'm working hard to reject traditional religion - and I'm working hard to reject the new age. I really don't know which way to jump at this point. Definitions and perceptions are very important. I simply do not wish to be exclusive or to exclude anyone as we journey into the future. Has anyone considered the distinction between 'pure science' and 'applied science'? I think 'pure science' is a good thing - but often 'applied science' is a bad thing. But how does one pay the bills with 'pure science'? Are we happier with all of our technology and industrialization? I am trying very hard to get back to my childhood scientific experience. I really enjoy going through all of the forbidden knowledge on the internet - and openly discussing it - even if it puts me on lists - and places several more interdimensional beings on my case. Maybe I'll get to meet them someday - but not today - ok?

There are approximately 20 words which we really need to spend a lot of time thinking about. The title of this thread includes some of these. I am very apprehensive regarding the low numbers of participants on MOA. This site should have thousands of members. I'm still very suspicious regarding the closure of AV1. I continue to be mystified as to whether the PTB want us to be researching and discussing forbidden information - or not. I really and truly don't know. I don't know if I'm helping or hurting. Perhaps the PTB could care less. Perhaps no one monitors this site. Everything is a big question mark for me. Is it really possible to make money without hurting someone in some way? Doing the right thing seems to get in the way of making money. How does this fit in with pure and applied science? Can we be so heavenly minded that we are of no earthly good? OK - what about pure and applied science? That's what I really wish to talk about.

Are hatred, rebellion, and deception integral aspects of competition and freedom? Please think long and hard about this question. Was whoever rebelled against God in Heaven really on the right track? Is ruling humanity by secrecy and deception really a legitimate modality of governance? Should democracy rule? Should theocracy rule? Should a theocracy rule a democracy? Should a theocracy and democracy be intertwined? What would be the proper role of God in a United States of the Solar System? Once again, what was the Original Sin? Was the Original Sin also the Unforgivable Sin? Would an idealistic United States of the Solar System need to be theocratically implemented and maintained? Would Responsibility need to be enforced with an Iron Fist? Would Responsible Freedom need to be imposed upon the inhabitants of the Solar System - whether they like it, or not? I advocate maximizing Responsible Freedom in a Context of Legitimate Law and Order. How does a civilization keep all of this in a properly buffered balance??? I continue to think that we are running out of time to get this right. I continue to think that some very powerful eyes and minds are focused upon this solar system and the fate of humanity. All is not well in this neck of the woods.

Has anyone read 'Jesus - Last of the Pharaohs' by Ralph Ellis? Or 'The Historical Jesus and the Mythical Christ' by Gerald Massey? What about 'The Quest of the Historical Jesus' by Albert Schweitzer? Or 'Jesus in the House of the Pharaohs' by Ahmed Osman? Has anyone considered the work of the 'Jesus Seminar'? What if the biblical-historical Jesus never existed, but what if a very different (and in many ways superior) actual historical Jesus (or equivalent) really did (and does) exist? I'm conceptually considering a demythologized Michael / Horus / Mithras / ????? / Jesus / ????? who might be archangelic / pharonic / artistic / scientific / technological / funny / sexy!!! What if Jesus has always been here? What if Jesus never left? What if Jesus has been reincarnating over and over in this solar system for hundreds of thousands of years? What if Jesus has been sacrificing on behalf of humanity for hundreds of thousands of years? This subject might be extremely important. What did the Vatican know, and when did they know it? There's a cancer growing on the Papacy! And what about the Monarchy? Should the Mass celebrate and commemorate the sacrifice of humanity (for hundreds of thousands of years?) in it's pursuit of responsible-freedom in the context of male and female human physicality, rather than being the repeated unbloody human-sacrfice of Jesus Christ? What if Lucifer is an Agent-Angel of Satan to Buffet Us? I need to stop.

Thank-you magamud. The truth could be a million different ways -- and how would we ever know which way was the right way??? I sense that my truth-seeking (however passive and non-passionate it may be) is deeply resented by just about everyone. It seems as if too many people (and other-than-people) have too much to lose if the whole-truth comes out of the closet in all of its glory and gory-details. I think things are really bad. I recently heard a person of interest answer a 'how are you?' with 'you don't want to know'. A long time ago, another person of interest stated that (regarding deals and treaties at the highest levels) I didn't want to know how bad they were. Once again, I feel as if I am in profound conflict with Humanity, Divinity, and Myself. I don't see a happy ending anytime soon. I frankly see just the opposite. I still have no enemies lists or vendettas. How am I supposed to when I don't know what's really going on??? I sense that everyone thinks I'm stupid, lazy, and irresponsible -- yet when I try to understand the nature of our predicament -- and when I try to be open and honest -- this seems to damn me to hell for all eternity. What the hell is going on here??? Do you want a Peace-Maker or a God-Damn Son of a Bitch Warrior with Absolutely No Compassion??? Make up your minds what you really want -- and let me know. Don't keep me guessing. Stop playing stupid games. You are making me angry. You probably do not wish to awaken what might be an 'Ancient Sleeping Giant'. And you thought you had problems with an 'Ancient Egyptian Deity'??!! Hell Hath No Fury Like a Reptilian Queen Scorned???!!! Just kidding -- or am I???

I wish to make it clear that I am acting alone. I am a Lone Completely Ignorant Fool. I have no one to blame but myself. I have no handlers. Please remember that my posts are spontaneous and intuitive. This is NOT a vast lunatic conspiracy. This is simply an attempt to make all of us think in unconventional and potentially beneficial ways -- despite my being politically incorrect and socially unacceptable. Once again, how do we REALLY know anything about anything -- especially regarding antiquity and the otherworldly??? I'll continue to treat all of this madness as science-fiction -- even though I am a genuine truth-seeker. I feel like a rat in a cage -- but I'll just keep telling myself that my life has meaning -- and maybe someday I'll actually believe it. Sorry for the love, light, and joy -- but that's how I feel. Read Fulton Sheen's Life of Christ as historical-fiction and benefit from it. I believe there is a genuine theological truth -- but I'm not so sure the Gods and Goddesses wish for us to know this forbidden truth -- and that's the truth.

Despite my criticism of Biblical Ethics and Horrible Atrocities -- I still love reading the Bible. What's going on here??? Where might one arrive if they focused upon Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Solomon, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and Daniel??? Where might one arrive if they read Israel and the Nations by F.F. Bruce and Daniel by Desmond Ford repeatedly?? I disagree with Des in many ways, yet the scholarship and writing-style is something to behold. I continue to be puzzled by the Intertestamental Period. Why is there one?? As nasty as the Old Testament was -- was Christianity based upon multiple deceptions (including the re-writing of the Old Testament)??? Once again, how can we REALLY know anything about antiquity and otherworldliness for certain??? How do we NOT follow cunningly devised fables?? What if we based ethics, law, theology, and governance upon Nature, Human-Nature, and Natural-Law. Might this resemble the Perfect Law of the Lord??? Is Human-Nature really Sinful and Fallen?? Are we the Seed of Satan or are we simply Abused Children??? I think we might require Direction and Discipline rather than Exploitation and Extermination.

All good and bad things must come to an end. Recent events, my review of this thread, and the responding comments, lead me to the inescapable conclusion that this thread must end. "End the Thread!!" I need to stop brainstorming, stop speculating, stop whining, stop trying to be funny, stop ranting, stop raving, stop being so sensitive, stop being so superficial, stop poking, stop prodding, stop being narcissistic, and stop doing what I'm doing. I might reemerge, and I might not. I have a lot of growing-up to do before I resume posting, and when I complete the work which I think is necessary, I probably won't be posting on the internet. I feel very sad about a helluva lot of things. I think I might become a lot more cold and calculating, and a lot more capable of handling large amounts of upsetting information, without emotion. But who knows what's going to happen? All I know is that I need to make a tangential change. I've been sleep-posting, but I woke-up today, and it was quite the rude awakening. I feel very sheepish and embarrassed. People have stopped talking to me, one by one, and I can see why. This test is now officially over. The data analysis and extreme makeover now begin. I see clearly what I need to do, and I can't keep posting, and perform the necessary internal work.

Thank-you once more for your patience, support, and comments. A special thank-you to Carol and Mercuriel, but there are many others. Thank-you all! I continue to worry that I have gotten it seriously wrong, and been too easy or too tough or too sarcastic or too insensitive or too rude or too crude or too timid or too bold or too anal or too radical or too traditional or too socially unacceptable. I am truly sorry for any harm I might've caused, and I am very willing to make changes and retractions as needed. I still don't know who or what I have encountered. I still agree with Raven, that I am a completely ignorant fool, but I think the nature of my thinking, combined with a very real spiritual war, makes me appear to be less intelligent than I really am. I'm probably more of a burned-out fool than anything. When one is intellectually, spiritually, and emotionally burned-out - as well as being profoundly disillusioned - it's hard to be sharp. Life is hard. Especially when you're a completely ignorant zombie. My life is very hard. But I won't stop thinking about Ancient Egypt, the Queen of Heaven, the God of This World, the Monarchy, the Papacy, and the Nazi Party. Please keep posting, but I'm going to keep quiet for a while. What do you think about the 'Holy Tablets'? http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t2867-the-holy-tablets The winged-serpents of Rome and Egypt remind me of the serpent in the Garden of Eden. It seems that we might have reptilian-roots, and that we might've opened a heretical mammalian-reptilian humanoid branch-office here on Planet Earth, and that this has caused alarm throughout the reptilian universal church. What if the chain of command is as follows? (I still don't really know!)

1. Draconian Reptilian Queen of Heaven.
2. Hybrid Hermaphrodite God of This World. (who manifests as male, female, black, white, ?????)
3. Hybrid Elites.
4. Human Elites.
5. Human Front-Men and Errand-Boys. (Patriarchy)
6. The Rest of Us.

Regardless of Who Rules, and regardless of Past and Present Star Wars, I desire a Perfected Humanity Living in a Perfected Solar System - Without War and Slavery. Earth seems to be a Prison Planet in Rebellion, with Exploitive and Abusive Prison Management. Some of this might be deserved. We might've brought a lot of this madness upon ourselves, but it seems that we have been taken advantage-of, just the same. If the governance modality changes for the better, I worry that we might blow-it, and end up in worse shape than before. This whole situation seems to be very unstable and precarious. I merely seek more idealistic political and religious modalities for managing the insanity. My best answer, so far, is a Theocratically Implemented United States of the Solar System - Centered in Responsibility. Obviously, we are in deep do-do, and all of the options are probably bad, at this point. I'm thinking a lot about Egypt and Reptilians, but I really need to let the sand settle before I proceed. I'll keep reading, while I mostly keep silent. BTW - I still don't have an enemies-list, but I'm working on one. I continue to worry, day and night, about my potential reincarnational role in this madness known as Life on Earth. I am so very sad that I was, and am, so much less than the best of humanity. I hope you all find who, and what, you are looking for. I shall return. Yes, I shall return. But until then, continue with your beliefs, and I shall continue with mine, and prove to me that I am not mistaken. Solar System Without End - orthodoxymoron.


I have tried to be idealistic and open-minded, but I have seen no evidence of a change for the better. This thing doesn't seem to be over at all. I grew-up with an eschatological worldview, but I'm not seeing a light at the end of the tunnel. I'm seeing nothing but trouble in our future. I really wish to be happy, but I don't expect to ever be happy. Today, I was reading about the atrocities committed during the Second World War, and so many people were involved. It wasn't isolated at all. It could all happen again, and I expect that it will, only with uber-high technology, and the utmost sophistication. But I will stand for the right, though the heavens fall. I am prepared to die before my time, and I expect that I will. I've created too many problems and burned too many bridges.

It seems that the good, the bad, and the ugly, are deeply involved in deception and dishonesty. No one (or not very many) are really and truly "good". A while back, someone told me that no one was really good, and I thought about it, on a deep level, and realized that they were right in many ways. Godlike or Angelic Righteousness seems to be very, very rare. I don't think the Substitutionary Atonement is the answer. We really do have to just simply be Good. Religious services are a discipline which can help us to be better people, but eating the bread and drinking the wine doesn't get us off the hook. We still have to be Good, as inconvenient and unpleasant as that might be. Bartleby and Loki were onto something, but I obviously disagreed with their methodology. They needed to be Good too! Why is it so goddamn hard to be Good? Why is it so goddamn bad to say 'goddamn'? Does God really give a damn if we say 'goddamn' occasionally and discreetly? I think not. I mean no disrespect whatsoever.

My computer just got attacked again. We really are under a Theocratic Technocracy, to keep us Uppity Humans under control, aren't we? Crowd Control is probably necessary, but I don't like the manner in which the Irresponsible Warden and Guards are guarding and punishing the Irresponsible Devil's Island Death-Row Prisoners. The Whole Thing Stinks. Again, I don't have a problem with the ethical and proper management of people, planets, and technology. In fact, I insist on it.

I continue to think that I don't know much about what's really going on. All I can do is consider possibilities and probabilities. Despite my nasty accusations and speculations, I don't know who the good-guys and bad-guys really are. How can one really know, without exhaustive information. I have to keep thinking about idealistic politics and religion, and then do battle with various challenges. So far, there has been very little support or opposition. I'd like to be like President Martinez in 'The Event', but it's a bit late for that. http://www.nbc.com/classic-tv/the-event Consider the Planet X and Elenin (extermination-level event?) parallels in this episode. I still think it would be cool if all of the renegade piloted-planets, piloted-comets, piloted-dwarf-stars, piloted-asteroids, piloted-moons, subsurface-bases, ufo's, etc., became part of a Brave New Solar System aka the United States of the Solar System, and I'm not speaking of Nazi-like, harsh, and dictatorial. Not the Old World Order. Not the New World Order. But the New Solar System, based upon Responsibility and an uncorrupted-form of the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights, appropriately adapted and applied to the entire solar system. Perhaps Nibiru (if it really exists) could orbit 1 astronomical-unit beyond the orbit of Pluto. Pluto and Nibiru for Planethood!! I will continue to think about Solar System Governance because of my insecurity and disillusionment with the bullshit. I think the truth is really, really bad, and I doubt there is a satisfying solution. I feel a horrible sense of dread. I think my ideas on this thread are reasonable, but I fear that the ancient conflicts and universal realities might be impossible to resolve. The rest of my life will probably be hell, and my life after death will probably be an even worse hell. I tend to doubt that I will be allowed to continue to exist in this universe. Perhaps none of us will be allowed to live as Responsible and Free Male and Female Human Beings. To be, or not to be? That is the question.

One final disclaimer: Take everything I have said, with a sea of salt. I have engaged in a lot of make-believe, role-playing, bluffing, pseudo-intellectualizing, speculating, posturing, joking, brainstorming, etc. I haven't lied, but I've come close to telling less than the truth. But now the jokes are over, folks. Just kidding! I'm going to just keep reviewing the mess that I've created, and try to create order out of chaos. I continue to think that this has merely been an introduction to insanity, which just scratches the surface of some very deep subjects. Damn! I just got a burn-notice from the God of This World! Wait a minute! I never worked for the God of This World! Oh, you got the notice from your mom? Well, I might've done some work for her in a previous life, but certainly not in this one! I think that burn-notice is from several thousand years ago! I found out that I was black-listed when I got stabbed in the back! I heard "You'll never work in this palace again!" as I lost consciousness! Just kidding! Or am I? What would Isis say?

I'd love to keep talking about all of the "out of this world" stuff, but it really isn't resonating with anyone, and it certainly isn't doing me any good. Just the opposite. I think I might write a book, but it probably won't resemble this thread. It might be idealistic sci-fi, but I don't really know yet. All I know is that what I'm doing isn't working. Attempting to solve the world's problems seems to be viewed as being a mental-illness and a threat to national-security. If anything changes, you know where I live and work, and you probably have my phone-number. The ball is in your court. Namaste and Geronimo.[/b]

I just had to comment on Dr. Robert H. Schuller being removed from the board of the Crystal Cathedral. This is sad. Despite any shortcomings, the senior Schuller had the 'right-stuff' for conducting his pioneering ministry. I hope they can properly sort things out. I'd like to see someone take all of Dr. Schuller's books and sermons, and take all of the personalized parts out, and end-up with just principles and concepts content, complete with phrases such as 'Turn Your Scars Into Stars!', 'The Me That I See Is the Me That I'll Be!', 'Tough Times Never Last, But Tough People Do!', 'Bloom Where You Are Planted!', 'When Faced With a Mountain, I Will Not Quit. I Will Keep Striving Until I Climb Over, Find a Pass Through, Tunnel Underneath, or Simply Stay and Turn the Mountain Into a Goldmine, With God's Help!'. Believe it or not, I can actually do a pretty fair Robert Schuller imitation, especially the 'This is the Day That God Has Made! Let Us Rejoice and be Glad In It!!' One morning he started out the service with 'Come-On Fred! Let's Go!!' (Fred Swann was the organist/choirmaster). There is so much to learn from Robert Schuller and the Crystal Cathedral - both positive and negative. I still think the Crystal Cathedral might be a cool headquarters for the United States of the Solar System. But I still don't know how to properly implement such a thing. I can conceptualize the idealistic aspects, but the realities might be very different. If this concept were botched, it could turn into a HUGE mess. I keep thinking that no matter what we do, the discontent and disillusionment of the general public is going to be very, very difficult to deal with. They have been programmed with so much BS throughout the years, and things are so screwed-up, that even the best solutions are probably going to be trampled upon by some very angry and unhappy people. The demise of the Crystal Cathedral is an example of an idealistic venture which has gone on the rocks. They got so many things right, but yet they are still up Stink Creek.

The world is getting way too small, and we are finding out way too much, and even if we do EVERYTHING right, it's going to take decades, or even centuries, for things to properly settle-down. I think people are probably going to have to be horribly shocked and disillusioned, before moving-on to bigger and better things. The finger in the dike thing just won't cut-it. The Catholics are interested in the Cathedral, which might be a good thing. I'd be very interested to see what they would do with such a facility. I continue to think that they are a big part of the problem and the solution. I continue to try to internalize an integration of the Teachings of Jesus, the U.S. Constitution, the Latin Mass, and Sacred Classical Music. This is just an exercise for me, which I think might be helpful for others. I sort of like the big French Catholic Churches and French Romantic Sacred Music, but the unbloody-sacrifice still gives me the creeps. The Sacrifice of the Mass should not be turned into a Happy Meal, but of what should an Ideal Church Service consist? I'd be a lot more comfortable with the Mass being sort of a Memorial for All Who Have Died Throughout the Centuries, complete with solemn reflection upon life, which makes people face themselves and think about things transcendent and eternal. I tend to think that Michael / Horus / Mithras / Jesus / ????? (The Greatest Possibility-Thinker) has sacrificed a helluva lot for hundreds of thousands of years, in life after life after life after life. But so have billions of others. Pain Seems to be the Cost of Doing Business in the Universe. It doesn't seem to get any easier, does it?

Just remember that self-exaltation is no solution for self-degradation, and self-degradation is no solution for self-exaltation. Positive-delusion is no solution for negative-delusion, and negative-delusion is no solution for positive-delusion. A half-truth is not the truth. Research endlessly. I am going under the assumption that I am very likely deceived, at some level. This is one reason why I keep hedging and joking. I really don't wish to be taken too seriously. I want YOU to figure things out for yourselves. This is all about YOU. Researching this thread and the books and sermons of Dr. Robert H. Schuller are probably good places to begin, but certainly not to end. The Quest is Endless. Don't let it get you down. Stay away from the creepy stuff. There's a helluva lot of it out there. Related Researching and daydreaming is creepy enough for me, and this seems to attract a certain amount of supernatural activity, but I certainly don't go looking for it. I think EVERYONE (both good and bad) is in trouble. Can I really afford to stop posting when things are so bad? But no one really reads this tripe, do they? Look at the comments posted above. Do you see much in-depth and on-topic discussion? I feel as though this is mostly a lost-cause, which has fallen on deaf-ears. One would really have to study this thread to get any benefit from it. I'm trying to do this, but it takes a helluva lot of discipline. We seem to mostly be dealing with Deception vs Deception throughout the whole world. Just know that I will not tolerate sin. Sin is NOT OK. But this doesn't mean that I'm intolerant. I wish to make Solar System Governance more and more idealistic and pragmatic, so as to lift everyone up, rather than picking on individual sinners in the backseat of their Yugo. What would Loki do? I think I'll rewatch 'Dogma' just for the heck of it. One evening, in the late 80's, Dr. Schuller stated very soberly that 'A Storm is Coming'. He wasn't kidding, and I think we're still in the eye of the hurricane. Namaste and Godspeed.


I get the feeling that I am supposed to clean-up my act, and become much more dignified, refined, publicly presentable, and socially acceptable. Well, I have not done all of the above for a reason. This all continues to be a test, and everyone is being tested. Everyone, including me. I am sorry if I don't measure-up to everyone's high and exacting standards. If you dress and act with the utmost taste and refinement, and just keep screwing-up the world, do you really expect that everything will eventually work out just fine??? This whole thing is so incredibly sick and stupid. I really do want a perfected humanity living in a perfected solar system, and I want it now. Why is this so hard??? This whole thing stinks!!!

There really seems to be at least two governments, visible and hidden. The hidden government seems to have some similarities to the Nazi phenomenon. So much of this seems to be creepy, corrupt, cruel, and violent. If we were just dealing with strange life-forms and advanced-technology, I might be able to get used to that, if the reasons for it were truly legitimate, but we seem to be dealing with something which is hostile towards the human-race, for whatever reasons. I know I sound like a broken-record, but I would like to see a United States of the Solar System control all of the presently secret stuff throughout the solar system. But obviously, the representatives would have to be a helluva lot more competent and responsible than the current crew of nitwits! This is seemingly a worldwide and solar system wide problem, and not just an American phenomenon, although it might be centered in underground bases located in the United States. Some of the underground and secret activities are sort of cool, but they MUST be properly and ethically managed, with reasonable access and transparency. There continues to be so many unknowns, that it's really difficult to make proper determinations. We have to do the best we can, with what we have to go on, pending future revelations. I am completely willing to do an about-face if presented with legitimate information which contradicts my biases.

I think the time has arrived for me to re-read the Holy Bible (KJV) and the Five-Volume 'Conflict of the Ages Series' by Ellen G. White - in light of this thread and everything I have learned over the past several years. I will listen to Latin Masses, Gregorian Chant, and Sacred Classical Music while I engage in this ambitious project. Very few of you will understand why I am doing this. I could try to explain, but I doubt that it would do any good. However, I don't think the Queen of Heaven and God of This World would require any explanation whatsoever. I further suspect that a lot of Jesuits know what I'm talking about as well. What would Des Ford say? I don't think Ellen White wrote the Writings of Ellen White and I don't think William Shakespeare wrote the Writings of William Shakespeare. What would Walter Rea say? What would Francis Bacon say? I could go on and on in this vein, but I will spare you. Once again, this thread merely scratches the surface. This is a deeper and nastier thing than I think any of us can imagine, including me. I realize and admit how little I know, and this terrifies me 24/7. I think I knew a helluva lot in previous lives, but I think my last life was a real doozie, and that I entered this life as a basket-case. I think I might be starting to remember, but perhaps I should try to forget. This stuff is REALLY creeping me out. I feel weaker than the weakest of the weak...


Today, I'm reading from a 1,000 page book about Daniel 8:14 and the Day of Atonement, by Dr. Desmond Ford. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desmond_Ford I fundamentally disagree with him - but I deeply respect his thinking, writing, speaking, and debating skills. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy37dpBXjEs&feature=related I'd love to know who ALL of his teachers were (in addition to Edward Heppenstall and F.F. Bruce). Tomorrow, I'll go back to conceptualizing a Vatican-Based Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System. From what I hear - the Vatican REALLY loves me! Also, I supposedly have a fan-club on Phobos!! I'd like to visit them someday! Sorry. I was going to stop, wasn't I? But, in a sense, this thread really started decades ago, with my exposure to Dr. Ford. Just blame Des. I just realized that when I spoke to Desmond Ford in the late 80's - the subject was 'The Life and Teachings of Jesus'. Des considered the Life of Christ titled 'The Desire of Ages' by Ellen White - to be the greatest book outside of the Holy Bible. (See his Oct. 27, 1979 Forum Lecture) 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqhH5RVLW1o&feature=related 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXg7Hm3Exec&feature=related (You can't imagine how much trouble this lecture caused!) I once spoke to the respondant - Dr. Eric Syme about the aftermath of this lecture. Another controversial Adventist was/is Robert Brinsmead. He encouraged me to focus on the Teachings of Jesus a few years ago. Here is an interesting in-house style panel-discussion. 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOzZNKxcNQ4&feature=related 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7PpoO9oPgc&feature=related (I don't necessarily endorse the points made in this discussion - but it raises many very important issues - which apply to nearly all religious organizations). Try reading 'The Desire of Ages' side by side with 'The Keys of This Blood' by Malachi Martin. Add 'The Federalist Papers' and a Latin Mass to this recipe for a very tasty doctrinal and governmental dish. Try applying that '79 Ford lecture to the perpetual-sacrificial aspect of the Mass (instead of the Investigative Judgment) and to the Papacy (instead of Ellen White). How much flexibility is there regarding the practice and interpretation of the Mass, while still maintaining it's validity? Can the Teachings of Jesus and Sacred Classical Music be properly and seamlessly woven into the Traditional Latin Mass - so as to maximize the Life and Teachings of Jesus - rather than the Human Sacrifice of Christ? I'm trying to make this work - but I need some serious help in this sensitive area. People are rather particular and testy regarding how they pray.

I am not a Seventh-day Sedavacantist by birth, but by conviction! The relentless pursuit of truth can be rather excruciating, at times. Each individual and organization is offered truth or repose. You can have one - or the other - but you can't have both - and the truth is sometimes of a most startling nature. The truth might set us free - by driving us completely insane. But please, where might I find a proper debate regarding solar system governance - with the level of scholarship and intensity exhibited by Dr. Desmond Ford??? I just wish I could make my case with the combined communication skills of Desmond Ford, Robert H. Schuller, and Malachi Martin. Sometimes I wonder if they had the same teacher. What would Gillian Ford say? What would Luke Ford say? (now there's an interesting story!) Siriusly. It's probably pointless and futile to talk about all of this on this web-site, isn't it? But where in this solar system could I get into a heated scholarly debate regarding everything I have posted on Avalon 1 and Mists of Avalon? I really do have to talk to myself, don't I? But don't blame the SDA Church for my disruptive insanity. I am a product of my own delusions. I doubt that they want to have anything to do with me. They never tried to save my lost soul after I quit attending church, which led me to believe that they either didn't give a damn, or that they didn't believe their own teachings. I learned to distrust the Roman Catholic Church, but I also learned to distrust the Seventh-day Adventist Church. I still love the Writings of Ellen White, but I pick and choose. I espouse 'Dalmatian Theology'! Also, read 'John Harvey Kellogg, M.D.' by Richard Schwartz. It's a real eye-opener. What would Zane Kime say, if he were still alive? Who killed Dr. Kime? And why? Watch 'The Tomato Effect' http://www.veoh.com/watch/v1920841852Fktg64?h1=The+Tomato+Effect+by+Director+Faun+Kime and notice a particularly strange interview at around 01:15:00 to 01:25:00. How many people were on that mountain when Zane died??? I communicated with Faun regarding this. And take a long, hard look at the proton-accelerator at Loma Linda University Medical Center. What would timetotelltheworld say? Remember him? What would the DOE and the DOD say? What would Dr. James Slater say? What would Harvard say? What would Los Alamos say? We have events!!! Nothing succeeds like fame, fortune, power, high-technology, and acute-care medicine in God's name! We have God-Particles! And those nurses are so sexy! But whatever happened to prevention?? What? Never-mind. You wouldn't believe who I think I might've gone to school with!!! Nuff said! Hell hath no fury like this scorned and sick little mind of mine!!! Once again:

Consider the Integration of:

1. The Teachings of Jesus.

2. The U.S. Constitution.

3. The Latin Mass.

4. The Sacred Classical Music.

5. A Vatican-Based Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System.

I'm not necessarily saying this is the way things should be, or that this is my final answer. I'm simply saying that this possibility should be exhaustively thought-through by the best and the brightest beings in the solar system.


Is it really possible to win in this solar system, without deception and corruption, masked with an innocent-looking front and a happy-face? Angelic on the outside, and demonic on the inside? Do the dishonest rule the honest? Do the corrupt rule the stupid? You know what I'm talking about. I think this is an uphill battle which isn't over at all. It might never be over. Deception seems to be at the core of life in this solar system, for both the good and the bad. White-Lies vs Black-Lies? None seems to be righteous, but don't expect a human-sacrifice to get you off the hook. There might be a helluva lot of surprises in the great hereafter. Let him and her who is righteous, be righteous still? Let him and her who is filthy, be filthy still? Is it time for Probation to close? If you don't know what that is, you need to do some research. It might be later than all of us think. I want things to work out well for everyone, but is this really possible? Am I so soft and kind, that business won't get taken care of? Is my philosophy a recipe for never ending sin and corruption in this solar system? Do I need to be a helluva lot tougher? I am open to all perspectives. I really want a perfected humanity to live in a perfected solar system, and I will do whatever it takes to make this happen. I want to be a highly, highly ethical tough-guy, who is very kind, but very firm. That's the goal. This is probably an internal battle which will never be resolved. The only place I can seem to debate the issues which concern me most, are within my own mind. Nowhere else. This is my private hell, which I have tried to share in some threads and posts, which very few seem to be even remotely interested in. I don't wish to make a great big public deal out of this. My only hope is that some key individuals might gain something of value from this tempest in a teapot. I've never felt lower than I feel right now. My nerves, teeth, finances, and faith are shot. I feel like the pilot in the 50's who calmly radioed, "I'm over the Grand Canyon. I'm on fire, and I'm going down." Geronimo.

There is a brutal gang of facts (or a brutal gang of Dracs?!) in this solar system, which I think the 'regressives' have taken advantage of. (I'd still like to start a Home for Battered Dracs) I think the guilt goes in all directions. The truth seems to be hidden and protected by the good and the bad, with a wide variety of lies and delusions. It's as if the biggest secret can never be known by the Goyim, or anyone else, for that matter. Perhaps with good reason. I haven't been eager to have my speculations and ideas go viral on the internet. Waking people up with the wrong information, in the wrong way, could be utterly devastating. I don't think the truth should be suppressed, but I think it needs to be very wisely revealed. I always knew there was a helluva lot more to the solar system than I knew about, but I wasn't particularly eager to find out the details. I have proceeded in a very passive manner, but the internet has slingshotted me into a heap of trouble. I'm really trying to extinguish fires, rather than trying to set new fires, believe it or not. Is my 'East of Eden' or 'East of Giza' Archangelic Theory essentially correct? I have no idea whether it is, or not, but PLEASE watch 'East of Eden' over and over again, and see what you think, especially regarding the Rebellion and War in Heaven, the Old World Order, the New World Order, and even my desired New Solar System. I doubt that any of you will do this, but you should. To speak plainly, are we dealing with a Sirian King and Three Reptilian Queens? We Three Queens of Orion are Trying to Rule the Heavens Afar (After Removing the Sirian King?)? Gabriel v Lucifer v Michael? Old World Order v New World Order v New Solar System? Did Michael break rank with Gabriel and Lucifer in Ancient Egypt at the Time of Christ? Did Lucifer break rank with Gabriel around 800-900 AD? Babylonian, Egyptian, Grecian, Roman Catholic Old World Order v Teutonic Zionist, Bavarian Illuminati, Protestant Reformation, Nazi New World Order? I have not a clue how Michael might fit into all of this hypothetical madness, except that I think Michael might be a reincarnating writer, musician, architect, artist, scientist, creator, conspirator, and possibly a hostage. Original Hostage Michael? Dr. Who? Indiana Jones? Michelangelo? Pastor Angelicus? Damned if I know, but I know I should stop, because they have ways to make me stop. Many ways.

I frankly don't know what I'm supposed to be doing, or not doing. No one, or hardly anyone, will talk to me. Should I try to get an appointment with the Pope or the Queen? Should I channel Elvis? I really think I should just shut-up and study, but I can't seem to stop rambling. I think this is mostly due to insecurity, and not knowing what the hell is going on. I can mentally generate my own version of "V" or "The Event" and try to imagine saving the solar system and the human race, but this is just dreamland. I like the University of Solar System Studies and Governance idea. I like the idea of idealistically looking at the Secret Government, the Secret Space Program, the Vatican, the City of London, Washington DC, the United Nations, the Alphabet Agencies, the Monarchy, and Colonizing the Solar System, but again, this is just dreamland. I think I should probably spend most of my time conceptualizing a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System - with a variety of Headquarter Scenarios. I'm liking the University Concept, with campuses throughout the solar system, as integral parts of a United States of the Solar System, which might be run mostly by those who have PhD's in Solar System Studies and Governance, and who have a network of colleagues to interact with. But I do wish to make it clear that I don't wish to cut the Roman Catholic Church out, and thumb my nose at them! That would be a HUGE mistake, wouldn't it? I would like to make use of existing solar system governance infrastructures and networks. I just want the whole thing cleaned-up, reformed, improved, made more transparent, less corrupt and corruptible, with high levels of responsibility and response-ability. That's the theory anyway. I want this thing to be as competent and inclusive as possible. I do not want petty bullshit. I want that which is in everyone's best interest. But this is really just a continuation of my little tempest in a teapot. I still don't have a clue what's REALLY going on, and learning the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth about life, the universe, and everything - could change EVERYTHING. I just wish that I didn't feel like I'm fighting all the time, and feel like I'm being supernaturally attacked 24/7. I could be delusional, but that's sure what it feels like, complete with ringing in the ears, tight muscles, anxiety, and occasional amoeba-like wisps of white-light passing before my eyes. I try to take it in stride, but it just isn't working. My mind is probably working at about 25% of the level that it should be operating. This has been going on for a very long time, and I'm so very sick and tired of it. Anyway, that's my sad story, but don't we all have our sorry little tales of woe? We all have our crosses to bear, whether or not we have Messiah-Complexes.

I'm sort of working on becoming a cross between Anna in 'V' and Palmer Joss in 'Contact', as strange as that sounds. I just want a highly responsible and spiritual secular society, without all of the religious and militaristic baggage. But whenever I say something, I immediately think of the counterpoints to what I just said. I wouldn't mind seeing everyone go through some sort of military training, for the discipline and character-developing aspects, more than anything. I also think that proper participation in religious services can be a good thing, while not being required for 'salvation'. How does one reform society, without destroying civilization? I'm going to try to live what I've been ranting about. My personal life needs serious therapy, but if I'm being quadruple-teamed by the darkside, I might be screwed no matter what I try to do to change my life. They could've at least sent dominatrix-succubi to rein me in! Just remember, once you've had Drac, you never go back!

I'm going to keep idealistically conceptualizing a perfected humanity living in a perfected solar system - even though I know that things are not ideal, and that they probably never will be. I love everyone, but I distrust everyone, and I mean everyone. The Bavarian Illuminati, Teutonic Zionism, Freemasonry, the Nazis, the Alphabet Agencies, and the Jesuits are VERY interesting to me. Are they interlinked? I'm going to try to be objective and unemotional, as I continue to passively try to listen to as many perspectives as possible. I continue to say that I don't have this mess figured-out. I don't think I'm even close, but I do think I'm on the right track. I continue to think that we are mostly dealing with Bad Guys fighting Bad Guys, and Good Guys getting caught in the middle. I continue to think that I might have a very interesting reincarnational past, but I don't really know. I won't do regression or anything creepy. I just research and speculate. Continue to focus upon RESPONSIBILITY, and build everything on this word. This is the underlying concept in the Teachings of Jesus. Please study this thread as a whole, do your own research, and come to your own conclusions. Even if I had the power to lead, I would facilitate responsible excellence in others, and I would mostly keep doing what I'm doing right now, believe it or not. This really is over - for now - but it will never really be over, will it? I just wish to lift EVERYONE up. That's the goal. I love all of you. Namaste.

ONE MORE TIME: KEEP ASKING QUESTIONS. DON'T TRUST ANYONE OR ANYTHING. I HAVE NO IDEA HOW ACCURATE AND PURE OR MISTAKEN AND DECEIVED I HAVE BEEN IN MY INTERNET POSTING. I AM VERY FEARFUL REGARDING THE STATE OF THE SOLAR SYSTEM. I THINK WE ARE IN VERY SERIOUS TROUBLE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS. I DESIRE A HAPPY ENDING, AND I HAVE TRIED TO BE IDEALISTIC, BUT MY EFFORTS COULD BE HIJACKED INTO SOMETHING WHICH MIGHT BE QUITE DESTRUCTIVE TO HUMANITY. BUT PLEASE KEEP THINKING ABOUT IDEALISTIC PSYCHOLOGY, ETHICS, POLITICS, AND RELIGION. I MIGHT BE COMPLETELY SCREWED, BUT TRY TO LEARN AS MUCH AS YOU CAN FROM WHAT I HAVE POSTED. I'M REALLY STOPPING BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO BE A USED AND UNBALANCED PAWN OF THE DARKSIDE. GOOD INTENTIONS HAVE PAVED THE ROAD TO HELL, OVER AND OVER AGAIN, AND MY GOOD INTENTIONS COULD EASILY GO INTO A VERY DEEP DITCH. I THINK THINGS COULD GET VERY BAD, VERY QUICKLY. ASK A HELLUVA LOT OF QUESTIONS BEFORE YOU JUMP ON A BAND-WAGON OR A UFO. IT COULD BE ON THE FAST-TRACK TO HELL.

I recently spoke with a significant-someone regarding NIBIRU -- and supposedly this HUGE "Heavenly-Body" might be a problem by the end of 2015 -- but one hears a lot of things -- so who knows what the truth is?! I made an unofficial request a few years ago for NIBIRU to take up a relatively circular orbit safely beyond the orbit of Pluto -- and possibly join a United States of the Solar System. What's odd is that talk about NIBIRU began receding. Was this coincidental?? Were people just tired of the eschatological-talk?? Or did NIBIRU really alter its course -- and essentially become part of this solar system?? I've backtracked regarding an Imminent USSS -- mostly because I don't have enough reliable information -- and because I've become increasingly skeptical regarding my physical, mental, and spiritual health. I honestly feel horrible 24/7. I'm explaining -- rather than complaining. Something is VERY Wrong with me. I've been pretty agitated and aggressive over the past couple of weeks (mostly because I am unbelievably miserable) -- and I wonder if I've angered the Galactic PTB when I've poked, prodded, and joked?! I'm honestly NOT trying to be a "Scoffer at the End of Time". I simply seek the truth (in a straight-forward and matter of fact manner). The significant individual I spoke with suggested that God was involved in the approach of NIBIRU (and the expected devastation of Earth). They seemed to be pleased (if I'm not mistaken) that some significant destruction might be finally inflicted upon Earth (after years of delays). I continue to wonder about "Thou Shalt Not Kill" and "Unto 2300 days (years) then shall the Sanctuary be Cleansed". I keep thinking in terms of a 120 year Investigative and Executive Judgment -- terminating in 2133 A.D. -- with the possibility of an idealistic and refined version of a United States of the Solar System emerging from an Illuminated, Judged, Chastened, and Contrite World -- with perhaps a lot of people involved in some sort of program of restitution and karmic-debt reduction (rather than being exterminated physically and spiritually). I guess I'm a "softie". Once again -- I am a Law and Order kind of guy -- rather than a Fire and Brimstone sort of individual. One should not have to break the Perfect Law of the Lord -- to uphold and enforce the Perfect Law of God. Consider yet another KJV Study-List:

1. The Psalms.
2. Isaiah.
3. Daniel.
4. Luke.
5. Acts.
6. James.
7. Bach.
8. Handel.

Do I really need to explain why I included all of the above -- especially when no one gives a damn about this entire thread (let alone this particular post)??!! Someone please tell me why I chose these eight sources!! For anyone who cares -- I am continuing to suggest agonizing over the Psychology, Ethics, and Legality of Life, the Universe, and Eschatology. One thing that REALLY bothers me about my SDA background is the contradictory thinking regarding the Eschatological Character-Perfection of the Righteous -- and the Utter-Destruction of the Wicked. How can a Perfect-God -- Perfect-Angels -- and Perfect-People preside over the Murder and Mayhem of the Apocalypse -- and be Happy (to top it off)??!! I really think this might have something to do with Ancient (and Ongoing) Star-Wars in Heaven and Earth. What if all of us really were Ancient Absolutely-Obedient Reptilian-Warriors?? What if this might be the Genesis of Earthly-Wars and Eschatological-Theologies?? I keep thinking that I might need to include the conceptualization and actualization of BOTH the Medical-Military-Money Complex AND the Prevention-Peace-Philanthropy Complex -- in order to properly understand the realities of SDA Healthcare AND the Solar-System We Live In!! Both the Bible and Ellen White can be extremely violent and matter-of-fact -- while almost simultaneously be extolling the Love and Righteous Character of God -- and the Love and Righteousness of God's People. This phenomenon is bizarre and upsetting to me -- especially when SDA's are Conscientious-Objectors!! How can we condemn the Catholic Crusades and Inquisition -- Hitler and Stalin -- when we embrace the Murder and Mayhem (ordered and carried-out by God -- the Angels -- and God's Chosen People) in the Old-Testament and the Book of Revelation??!! I have tried to get around this glaring problem by focusing on Job through Daniel -- while viewing a lot of the reprehensible scriptural stuff as being highly suspect (or at least completely misunderstood). But how dare I (or anyone) doubt God's Holy and Inspired Word?? A Harvard Divinity School Graduate once spoke to me mockingly of "The Word of God" -- and suggested that the Bible had everything to do with "Maintaining Power". To me -- the dishonesty and inconsistency in the religious world is beyond belief. How can we call ourselves "Civilized"??!! I'm Sirius about stopping posting -- but I will continue to agonize over the unthinkable and the unknowable. Why?? I don't know why. I Think. Therefore I Am Nucking Futs!! If, and when, the poop contacts the blower, it might be too late to talk to me about what to do. I might mutter something like "It's a Touching Story -- But I Can't Do a Thing for You." I wish I were kidding -- but I'm deadly serious. I get the distinct impression that I somehow got black-listed -- red-listed -- and sidelined. Sometimes I feel like a disinherited Jupiter Jones. So really -- the window of opportunity for productive conversation and interaction might've passed quite some time ago. Probation might've closed on December 21, 2012. Who knows?? I don't necessarily wish for that to be the case -- but consider 2012 -- 2133 (which is approximately 120 years). "As It Was in the Days of Noah"?? The Noah movie was released in 2013 -- wasn't it?? The advertising read "The End is Only the Beginning". Think about it. I'm NOT dogmatic. I'm just trying to get the right people (and other-than-people) to think.

I feel a bit like Daniel Jackson regarding the exodus of viewers and contributors to this thread. The view-count is almost at a standstill compared to what it's been in the past. This probably is an excellent time to exit stage-left. Unfortunately, I still have a lot of reposting and editing to do, so I might be quite busy, right up to the end of August, at which time I really will from all my labors rest. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrbU341Y7Y4 I really enjoy hymn-singing (especially with the alternative verses we used at the Crystal Cathedral). I remember that first Sunday in the Morning-Choir, when we sang People, People Everywhere!! Fred called it 'People, People All Over the Place!!' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TWTWpYOD8c Isn't that a very cool church, organ, organist, and acoustical-environment??!! Check this out!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5DzwtEyPj0 I would be quite pleased if church consisted of nothing more than a Prelude, Processional, Hymn-Singing, a Sermon, a Recessional, and a Postlude!! The more hymn-singing the better!!!

Consider Natural-Law. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_law Natural law, or the law of nature (Latin: lex naturalis), is a system of law that is purportedly determined by nature, and thus universal.[1] Classically, natural law refers to the use of reason to analyze human nature—both social and personal—and deduce binding rules of moral behavior from it. Natural law is classically contrasted with the positive law of a given political community, society, or state, and thus serves as a standard by which to criticize said positive law.[2] In legal theory, on the other hand, the interpretation of positive law requires some reference to natural law. On this understanding of natural law, natural law can be invoked to criticize judicial decisions about what the law says but not to criticize the best interpretation of the law itself. Some scholars use natural law synonymously with natural justice or natural right (Latin ius naturale),[3] while others distinguish between natural law and natural right.[1]

Although natural law is often conflated with common law, the two are distinct in that natural law is a view that certain rights or values are inherent in or universally cognizable by virtue of human reason or human nature, while common law is the legal tradition whereby certain rights or values are legally cognizable by virtue of judicial recognition or articulation.[4] Natural law theories have, however, exercised a profound influence on the development of English common law,[5][full citation needed] and have featured greatly in the philosophies of Thomas Aquinas, Francisco Suárez, Richard Hooker, Thomas Hobbes, Hugo Grotius, Samuel von Pufendorf, John Locke, Francis Hutcheson, Jean Jacques Burlamaqui, and Emmerich de Vattel. Because of the intersection between natural law and natural rights, it has been cited as a component in the United States Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States, as well as in the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen. Declarationism states that the founding of the United States is based on Natural law.

History

The use of natural law, in its various incarnations, has varied widely through its history. There are a number of different theories of natural law, differing from each other with respect to the role that morality plays in determining the authority of legal norms. This article deals with its usages separately rather than attempt to unify them into a single theory.

Plato

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Although Plato does not have an explicit theory of natural law (he almost never uses the phrase natural law except in Gorgias 484 and Timaeus 83e), his concept of nature, according to John Wild, contains some of the elements found in many natural law theories.[6] According to Plato we live in an orderly universe.[7] At the basis of this orderly universe or nature are the forms, most fundamentally the Form of the Good, which Plato describes as "the brightest region of Being".[8] The Form of the Good is the cause of all things and when it is seen it leads a person to act wisely.[9] In the Symposium, the Good is closely identified with the Beautiful.[10] Also in the Symposium, Plato describes how the experience of the Beautiful by Socrates enables him to resist the temptations of wealth and sex.[11] In the Republic, the ideal community is, “...a city which would be established in accordance with nature.”[12]

Aristotle

Greek philosophy emphasized the distinction between "nature" (physis, φúσις) on the one hand and "law", "custom", or "convention" (nomos, νóμος) on the other. What the law commanded varied from place to place, but what was "by nature" should be the same everywhere. A "law of nature" would therefore have had the flavor more of a paradox than something that obviously existed.[1] Against the conventionalism that the distinction between nature and custom could engender, Socrates and his philosophic heirs, Plato and Aristotle, posited the existence of natural justice or natural right (dikaion physikon, δικαιον φυσικον, Latin ius naturale). Of these, Aristotle is often said to be the father of natural law.[3]

Aristotle's association with natural law may be due to the interpretation given to his works by Thomas Aquinas.[13] But whether Aquinas correctly read Aristotle is a disputed question. According to some, Aquinas conflates the natural law and natural right, the latter of which Aristotle posits in Book V of the Nicomachean Ethics (Book IV of the Eudemian Ethics). According to this interpretation, Aquinas's influence was such as to affect a number of early translations of these passages in an unfortunate manner, though more recent translations render them more literally.[14] Aristotle notes that natural justice is a species of political justice, viz. the scheme of distributive and corrective justice that would be established under the best political community; were this to take the form of law, this could be called a natural law, though Aristotle does not discuss this and suggests in the Politics that the best regime may not rule by law at all.[15]

The best evidence of Aristotle's having thought there was a natural law comes from the Rhetoric, where Aristotle notes that, aside from the "particular" laws that each people has set up for itself, there is a "common" law that is according to nature.[16] Specifically, he quotes Sophocles and Empedocles:

Universal law is the law of Nature. For there really is, as every one to some extent divines, a natural justice and injustice that is binding on all men, even on those who have no association or covenant with each other. It is this that Sophocles' Antigone clearly means when she says that the burial of Polyneices was a just act in spite of the prohibition: she means that it was just by nature: "Not of to-day or yesterday it is, But lives eternal: none can date its birth." And so Empedocles, when he bids us kill no living creature, says that doing this is not just for some people while unjust for others: "Nay, but, an all-embracing law, through the realms of the sky Unbroken it stretcheth, and over the earth's immensity."[17]

Some critics believe that the context of this remark suggests only that Aristotle advised that it could be rhetorically advantageous to appeal to such a law, especially when the "particular" law of one's own city was averse to the case being made, not that there actually was such a law;[3] Moreover, they claim that Aristotle considered two of the three candidates for a universally valid, natural law provided in this passage to be wrong.[1] Aristotle's theoretical paternity of the natural law tradition is consequently disputed.

Stoic natural law

The development of this tradition of natural justice into one of natural law is usually attributed to the Stoics. The rise of natural law as a universal system coincided with the rise of large empires and kingdoms in the Greek world.[18][full citation needed] Whereas the "higher" law Aristotle suggested one could appeal to was emphatically natural, in contradistinction to being the result of divine positive legislation, the Stoic natural law was indifferent to the divine or natural source of the law: the Stoics asserted the existence of a rational and purposeful order to the universe (a divine or eternal law), and the means by which a rational being lived in accordance with this order was the natural law, which spelled out action that accorded with virtue.[1]

As the historian A.J. Carlyle notes: "There is no change in political theory so startling in its completeness as the change from the theory of Aristotle to the later philosophical view represented by Cicero and Seneca.... We think that this cannot be better exemplified than with regard to the theory of the equality of human nature." [19] Charles H. McIlwain likewise observes that "the idea of the equality of men is the profoundest contribution of the Stoics to political thought" and that "its greatest influence is in the changed conception of law that in part resulted from it."[20]

Natural law first appeared among the stoics who believed that God is everywhere and in everyone. Within humans is a "divine spark" which helps them to live in accordance with nature. The stoics felt that there was a way in which the universe had been designed and natural law helped us to harmonise with this.

Marcus Tullius Cicero

Cicero wrote in his De Legibus that both justice and law derive their origin from what nature has given to man, from what the human mind embraces, from the function of man, and from what serves to unite humanity.[21] For Cicero, natural law obliges us to contribute to the general good of the larger society.[22] The purpose of positive laws is to provide for "the safety of citizens, the preservation of states, and the tranquility and happiness of human life." In this view, "wicked and unjust statutes" are "anything but 'laws,'" because "in the very definition of the term 'law' there inheres the idea and principle of choosing what is just and true."[23] Law, for Cicero, "ought to be a reformer of vice and an incentive to virtue."[24] Cicero expressed the view that "the virtues which we ought to cultivate, always tend to our own happiness, and that the best means of promoting them consists in living with men in that perfect union and charity which are cemented by mutual benefits."[22]

Cicero influenced the discussion of natural law for many centuries to come, up through the era of the American Revolution. The jurisprudence of the Roman Empire was rooted in Cicero, who held "an extraordinary grip . . . upon the imagination of posterity" as "the medium for the propagation of those ideas which informed the law and institutions of the empire."[25] Cicero's conception of natural law "found its way to later centuries notably through the writings of Saint Isidore of Seville and the Decretum of Gratian."[26] Thomas Aquinas, in his summary of medieval natural law, quoted Cicero's statement that "nature" and "custom" were the sources of a society's laws.[27]

The Renaissance Florentine chancellor Leonardo Bruni praised Cicero as the man "who carried philosophy from Greece to Italy, and nourished it with the golden river of his eloquence."[28] The legal culture of Elizabethan England, exemplified by Sir Edward Coke, was "steeped in Ciceronian rhetoric."[29] The Scottish moral philosopher Francis Hutcheson, as a student at Glasgow, "was attracted most by Cicero, for whom he always professed the greatest admiration."[30] More generally in eighteenth-century Great Britain, Cicero's name was a household word among educated people.[30] Likewise, "in the admiration of early Americans Cicero took pride of place as orator, political theorist, stylist, and moralist."[31]

The British polemicist Thomas Gordon "incorporated Cicero into the radical ideological tradition that travelled from the mother country to the colonies in the course of the eighteenth century and decisively shaped early American political culture."[32] Cicero's description of the immutable, eternal, and universal natural law was quoted by Burlamaqui[33] and later by the American revolutionary legal scholar James Wilson.[34] Cicero became John Adams's "foremost model of public service, republican virtue, and forensic eloquence."[35] Adams wrote of Cicero that "as all the ages of the world have not produced a greater statesman and philosopher united in the same character, his authority should have great weight."[36] Thomas Jefferson "first encountered Cicero as a schoolboy learning Latin, and continued to read his letters and discourses as long as he lived. He admired him as a patriot, valued his opinions as a moral philosopher, and there is little doubt that he looked upon Cicero's life, with his love of study and aristocratic country life, as a model for his own."[37] Jefferson described Cicero as "the father of eloquence and philosophy."[38]

Christian natural law

Some early Church Fathers, especially those in the West, sought to incorporate natural law into Christianity. The most notable among these was Augustine of Hippo, who equated natural law with man's prelapsarian state; as such, a life according to nature was no longer possible and men needed instead to seek salvation through the divine law and grace of Jesus Christ.

In the Twelfth Century, Gratian equated the natural law with divine law. A century later, St. Thomas Aquinas in his Summa Theologiae I-II qq. 90-106, restored Natural Law to its independent state, asserting natural law as the rational creature's participation in the eternal law.[39] Yet, since human reason could not fully comprehend the Eternal law, it needed to be supplemented by revealed Divine law. (See also Biblical law in Christianity.) Meanwhile, Aquinas taught that all human or positive laws were to be judged by their conformity to the natural law. An unjust law is not a law, in the full sense of the word. It retains merely the 'appearance' of law insofar as it is duly constituted and enforced in the same way a just law is, but is itself a 'perversion of law.'[40] At this point, the natural law was not only used to pass judgment on the moral worth of various laws, but also to determine what the law said in the first place. This principle laid the seed for possible societal tension with reference to tyrants.[41]

The natural law was inherently teleological and deontological in that although it is aimed at goodness, it is entirely focused on the ethicalness of actions, rather than the consequence. The specific content of the natural law was therefore determined by a conception of what things constituted happiness, be they temporal satisfaction or salvation. The state, in being bound by the natural law, was conceived as an institution directed at bringing its subjects to true happiness.

In the 16th century, the School of Salamanca (Francisco Suárez, Francisco de Vitoria, etc.) further developed a philosophy of natural law. After the Church of England broke from Rome, the English theologian Richard Hooker adapted Thomistic notions of natural law to Anglicanism. There are five important principles: to live, to learn, to reproduce, to worship God, and to live in an ordered society.[citation needed]

Those who see biblical support for the doctrine of natural law often point to Paul's Epistle to the Romans: "For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another. (Romans 2:14-15). The intellectual historian A.J. Carlyle has commented on this passage, "There can be little doubt that St Paul's words imply some conception analogous to the 'natural law' in Cicero, a law written in men's hearts, recognized by man's reason, a law distinct from the positive law of any State, or from what St Paul recognized as the revealed law of God. It is in this sense that St Paul's words are taken by the Fathers of the fourth and fifth centuries like St Hilary of Poitiers, St Ambrose, and St Augustine, and there seems no reason to doubt the correctness of their interpretation."[42]

English jurisprudence

Heinrich A. Rommen remarked upon "the tenacity with which the spirit of the English common law retained the conceptions of natural law and equity which it had assimilated during the Catholic Middle Ages, thanks especially to the influence of Henry de Bracton (d. 1268) and Sir John Fortescue (d. cir. 1476)."[43] Bracton's translator notes that Bracton "was a trained jurist with the principles and distinctions of Roman jurisprudence firmly in mind"; but Bracton adapted such principles to English purposes rather than copying slavishly.[44] In particular, Bracton turned the imperial Roman maxim that "the will of the prince is law" on its head, insisting that the king is under the law.[45] The legal historian Charles F. Mullett has noted Bracton's "ethical definition of law, his recognition of justice, and finally his devotion to natural rights."[46] Bracton considered justice to be the "fountain-head" from which "all rights arise."[47] For his definition of justice, Bracton quoted the twelfth-century Italian jurist Azo: "'Justice is the constant and unfailing will to give to each his right.'"[48] Bracton's work was the second legal treatise studied by the young apprentice lawyer Thomas Jefferson.[49]

Fortescue stressed "the supreme importance of the law of God and of nature" in works that "profoundly influenced the course of legal development in the following centuries."[50] The legal scholar Ellis Sandoz has noted that "the historically ancient and the ontologically higher law--eternal, divine, natural--are woven together to compose a single harmonious texture in Fortescue's account of English law."[51] As the legal historian Norman Doe explains: "Fortescue follows the general pattern set by Aquinas. The objective of every legislator is to dispose people to virtue. It is by means of law that this is accomplished. Fortescue's definition of law (also found in Accursius and Bracton), after all, was 'a sacred sanction commanding what is virtuous [honesta] and forbidding the contrary.'"[52] Fortescue cited Leonardo Bruni for his statement that "virtue alone produces happiness."[53]

Christopher St. Germain's Doctor and Student was a classic of English jurisprudence,[54] and it was thoroughly annotated by Thomas Jefferson.[55] St. Germain informs his readers that English lawyers generally don't use the phrase "law of nature," but rather use "reason" as the preferred synonym.[56][57] Norman Doe notes that St. Germain's view "is essentially Thomist," quoting Thomas Aquinas's definition of law as "an ordinance of reason made for the common good by him who has charge of the community, and promulgated."[58]

Sir Edward Coke was the preeminent jurist of his time.[59] Coke's preeminence extended across the ocean: "For the American revolutionary leaders, 'law' meant Sir Edward Coke's custom and right reason."[60] [61] Coke defined law as "perfect reason, which commands those things that are proper and necessary and which prohibits contrary things."[62] For Coke, human nature determined the purpose of law; and law was superior to any one man's reason or will.[63] Coke's discussion of natural law appears in his report of Calvin's Case (1608): "The law of nature is that which God at the time of creation of the nature of man infused into his heart, for his preservation and direction." In this case the judges found that "the ligeance or faith of the subject is due unto the King by the law of nature: secondly, that the law of nature is part of the law of England: thirdly, that the law of nature was before any judicial or municipal law: fourthly, that the law of nature is immutable." To support these findings, the assembled judges (as reported by Coke, who was one of them) cited as authorities Aristotle, Cicero, and the Apostle Paul; as well as Bracton, Fortescue, and St. Germain.[64]

As early as the thirteenth century, it was held that "the law of nature...is the ground of all laws"[65] and by the Chancellor and Judges that "it is required by the law of nature that every person, before he can be punish’d, ought to be present; and if absent by contumacy, he ought to be summoned and make default.".[66][67] Further, in 1824, we find it held that "proceedings in our Courts are founded upon the law of England, and that law is again founded upon the law of nature and the revealed law of God. If the right sought to be enforced is inconsistent with either of these, the English municipal courts cannot recognize it."[68]

American jurisprudence

The U.S. Declaration of Independence states that it has become necessary for the United States to assume "the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them". Some early American lawyers and judges perceived natural law as too tenuous, amorphous and evanescent a legal basis for grounding concrete rights and governmental limitations.[4] Natural law did, however, serve as authority for legal claims and rights in some judicial decisions, legislative acts, and legal pronouncements.[69] Robert Lowry Clinton argues that the U.S. Constitution rests on a common law foundation and the common law, in turn, rests on a classical natural law foundation.[70]

Islamic natural law

Abū Rayhān al-Bīrūnī, an Islamic scholar and polymath scientist, understood natural law as the survival of the fittest. He argued that the antagonism between human beings can only be overcome through a divine law, which he believed to have been sent through prophets. This is also the position of the Ashari school, the largest school of Sunni theology.[71] Averroes (Ibn Rushd), in his treatise on Justice and Jihad and his commentary on Plato's Republic, writes that the human mind can know of the unlawfulness of killing and stealing and thus of the five maqasid or higher intents of the Islamic sharia or to protect religion, life, property, offspring, and reason. The concept of natural law entered the mainstream of Western culture through his Aristotelian commentaries, influencing the subsequent Averroist movement and the writings of Thomas Aquinas.[72]

The Maturidi school, the second largest school of Sunni theology, posits the existence of a form of natural law. Abu Mansur al-Maturidi stated that the human mind could know of the existence of God and the major forms of 'good' and 'evil' without the help of revelation. Al-Maturidi gives the example of stealing, which is known to be evil by reason alone due to man's working hard for his property. Killing, fornication, and drinking alcohol were all 'evils' the human mind could know of according to al-Maturidi. The concept of Istislah in Islamic law bears some similarities to the natural law tradition in the West, as exemplified by Thomas Aquinas. However, whereas natural law deems good what is self-evidently good, according as it tends towards the fulfilment of the person, istislah calls good whatever is connected to one of five "basic goods". Al-Ghazali abstracted these "basic goods" from the legal precepts in the Qur'an and Sunnah: they are religion, life, reason, lineage and property. Some add also "honour". Ibn Qayyim Al-Jawziyya also posited that human reason could discern between 'great sins' and good deeds.[citation needed]

Thomas Hobbes

By the 17th Century, the Medieval teleological view came under intense criticism from some quarters. Thomas Hobbes instead founded a contractualist theory of legal positivism on what all men could agree upon: what they sought (happiness) was subject to contention, but a broad consensus could form around what they feared (violent death at the hands of another). The natural law was how a rational human being, seeking to survive and prosper, would act. Natural law, therefore, was discovered by considering humankind's natural rights, whereas previously it could be said that natural rights were discovered by considering the natural law. In Hobbes' opinion, the only way natural law could prevail was for men to submit to the commands of the sovereign. Because the ultimate source of law now comes from the sovereign, and the sovereign's decisions need not be grounded in morality, legal positivism is born. Jeremy Bentham's modifications on legal positivism further developed the theory.

As used by Thomas Hobbes in his treatises Leviathan and De Cive, natural law is "a precept, or general rule, found out by reason, by which a man is forbidden to do that which is destructive of his life, or takes away the means of preserving the same; and to omit that by which he thinks it may best be preserved."[73]

According to Hobbes, there are nineteen Laws. The first two are expounded in chapter XIV of Leviathan ("of the first and second natural laws; and of contracts"); the others in chapter XV ("of other laws of nature").
The first Law of nature is that every man ought to endeavour peace, as far as he has hope of obtaining it; and when he cannot obtain it, that he may seek and use all helps and advantages of war.
The second Law of nature is that a man be willing, when others are so too, as far forth, as for peace, and defence of himself he shall think it necessary, to lay down this right to all things; and be contented with so much liberty against other men, as he would allow other men against himself.
The third Law is that men perform their covenants made. In this law of nature consisteth the fountain and original of justice... when a covenant is made, then to break it is unjust and the definition of injustice is no other than the not performance of covenant. And whatsoever is not unjust is just.
The fourth Law is that a man which receiveth benefit from another of mere grace, endeavour that he which giveth it, have no reasonable cause to repent him of his good will. Breach of this law is called ingratitude.
The fifth Law is complaisance: that every man strive to accommodate himself to the rest. The observers of this law may be called sociable; the contrary, stubborn, insociable, froward, intractable.
The sixth Law is that upon caution of the future time, a man ought to pardon the offences past of them that repenting, desire it.
The seventh Law is that in revenges, men look not at the greatness of the evil past, but the greatness of the good to follow.
The eighth Law is that no man by deed, word, countenance, or gesture, declare hatred or contempt of another. The breach of which law is commonly called contumely.
The ninth Law is that every man acknowledge another for his equal by nature. The breach of this precept is pride.
The tenth law is that at the entrance into the conditions of peace, no man require to reserve to himself any right, which he is not content should be reserved to every one of the rest. The breach of this precept is arrogance, and observers of the precept are called modest.
The eleventh law is that if a man be trusted to judge between man and man, that he deal equally between them.
The twelfth law is that such things as cannot be divided, be enjoyed in common, if it can be; and if the quantity of the thing permit, without stint; otherwise proportionably to the number of them that have right.
The thirteenth law is the entire right, or else...the first possession (in the case of alternating use), of a thing that can neither be divided nor enjoyed in common should be determined by lottery.
The fourteenth law is that those things which cannot be enjoyed in common, nor divided, ought to be adjudged to the first possessor; and in some cases to the first born, as acquired by lot.
The fifteenth law is that all men that mediate peace be allowed safe conduct.
The sixteenth law is that they that are at controversie, submit their Right to the judgement of an Arbitrator.
The seventeenth law is that no man is a fit Arbitrator in his own cause.
The eighteenth law is that no man should serve as a judge in a case if greater profit, or honour, or pleasure apparently ariseth [for him] out of the victory of one party, than of the other.
The nineteenth law is that in a disagreement of fact, the judge should not give more weight to the testimony of one party than another, and absent other evidence, should give credit to the testimony of other witnesses.

Hobbes's philosophy includes a frontal assault on the founding principles of the earlier natural legal tradition,[74] disregarding the traditional association of virtue with happiness,[75] and likewise re-defining "law" to remove any notion of the promotion of the common good.[76] Hobbes has no use for Aristotle's association of nature with human perfection, inverting Aristotle's use of the word "nature." Hobbes posits a primitive, unconnected state of nature in which men, having a "natural proclivity...to hurt each other" also have "a Right to every thing, even to one anothers body";[77] and "nothing can be Unjust" in this "warre of every man against every man" in which human life is "solitary, poore, nasty, brutish, and short."[78] Rejecting Cicero's view that men join in society primarily through "a certain social spirit which nature has implanted in man,"[79] Hobbes declares that men join in society simply for the purpose of "getting themselves out from that miserable condition of Warre, which is necessarily consequent...to the naturall Passions of men, when there is no visible Power to keep them in awe."[80] As part of his campaign against the classical idea of natural human sociability, Hobbes inverts that fundamental natural legal maxim, the Golden Rule. Hobbes's version is "Do not that to another, which thou wouldst not have done to thy selfe."[81]

Cumberland's rebuttal of Hobbes

The English cleric Richard Cumberland wrote a lengthy and influential attack on Hobbes's depiction of individual self-interest as the essential feature of human motivation. Historian Knud Haakonssen has noted that in the eighteenth century, Cumberland was commonly placed alongside Hugo Grotius and Samuel Pufendorf "in the triumvirate of seventeenth-century founders of the 'modern' school of natural law."[82] The eighteenth-century philosophers Shaftesbury and Hutcheson "were obviously inspired in part by Cumberland."[83] Historian Jon Parkin likewise describes Cumberland's work as "one of the most important works of ethical and political theory of the seventeenth century."[84] Parkin observes that much of Cumberland's material "is derived from Roman Stoicism, particularly from the work of Cicero, as "Cumberland deliberately cast his engagement with Hobbes in the mould of Cicero's debate between the Stoics, who believed that nature could provide an objective morality, and Epicureans, who argued that morality was human, conventional and self-interested." [85] In doing so, Cumberland de-emphasized the overlay of Christian dogma (in particular, the doctrine of "original sin" and the corresponding presumption that humans are incapable of "perfecting" themselves without divine intervention) that had accreted to natural law in the Middle Ages.

By way of contrast to Hobbes's multiplicity of laws, Cumberland states in the very first sentence of his Treatise of the Laws of Nature that "all the Laws of Nature are reduc'd to that one, of Benevolence toward all Rationals." [86] He later clarifies: "By the name Rationals I beg leave to understand, as well God as Man; and I do it upon the Authority of Cicero." Cumberland argues that the mature development ("perfection") of human nature involves the individual human willing and acting for the common good.[87] For Cumberland, human interdependence precludes Hobbes's natural right of each individual to wage war against all the rest for personal survival. However, Haakonssen warns against reading Cumberland as a proponent of "enlightened self-interest." Rather, the "proper moral love of humanity" is "a disinterested love of God through love of humanity in ourselves as well as others."[88] Cumberland concludes that actions "principally conducive to our Happiness" are those that promote "the Honour and Glory of God" and also "Charity and Justice towards men."[89] Cumberland emphasizes that desiring the well-being of our fellow humans is essential to the "pursuit of our own Happiness."[90] He cites "reason" as the authority for his conclusion that happiness consists in "the most extensive Benevolence," but he also mentions as "Essential Ingredients of Happiness" the "Benevolent Affections," meaning "Love and Benevolence towards others," as well as "that Joy, which arises from their Happiness."[91]

Liberal natural law

Hugo Grotius

Liberal natural law grew out of the medieval Christian natural law theories and out of Hobbes' revision of natural law, sometimes in an uneasy balance of the two. Hugo Grotius based his philosophy of international law on natural law. In particular, his writings on freedom of the seas and just war theory directly appealed to natural law. About natural law itself, he wrote that "even the will of an omnipotent being cannot change or abrogate" natural law, which "would maintain its objective validity even if we should assume the impossible, that there is no God or that he does not care for human affairs." (De iure belli ac pacis, Prolegomeni XI). This is the famous argument etiamsi daremus (non esse Deum), that made natural law no longer dependent on theology. However, German church-historians Ernst Wolf and M. Elze disagreed and claimed that Grotius' concept of natural law did have a theological basis.[92] In Grotius' view, the Old Testament contained moral precepts (e.g. the Decalogue) which Christ confirmed and therefore were still valid. Moreover, they were useful in explaining the content of natural law. Both biblical revelation and natural law originated in God and could therefore not contradict each other.[93]

In a similar way, Samuel Pufendorf gave natural law a theological foundation and applied it to his concepts of government and international law.[94]

John Locke incorporated natural law into many of his theories and philosophy, especially in Two Treatises of Government. There is considerable debate about whether his conception of natural law was more akin to that of Aquinas (filtered through Richard Hooker) or Hobbes' radical reinterpretation, though the effect of Locke's understanding is usually phrased in terms of a revision of Hobbes upon Hobbesean contractualist grounds. Locke turned Hobbes' prescription around, saying that if the ruler went against natural law and failed to protect "life, liberty, and property," people could justifiably overthrow the existing state and create a new one.[95]

While Locke spoke in the language of natural law, the content of this law was by and large protective of natural rights, and it was this language that later liberal thinkers preferred. Political philosopher Jeremy Waldron has pointed out that Locke's political thought was based on "a particular set of Protestant Christian assumptions."[96] To Locke, the content of natural law was identical with biblical ethics as laid down especially in the Decalogue, Christ's teaching and exemplary life, and St. Paul's admonitions.[97] Locke derived the concept of basic human equality, including the equality of the sexes ("Adam and Eve"), from Genesis 1, 26-28, the starting-point of the theological doctrine of Imago Dei.[98] One of the consequences is that as all humans are created equally free, governments need the consent of the governed.[99] Thomas Jefferson, arguably echoing Locke, appealed to unalienable rights in the Declaration of Independence, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."[100] The Lockean idea that governments need the consent of the governed was also fundamental to the Declaration of Independence, as the American Revolutionaries used it as justification for their separation from the British crown.[101]

The Belgian philosopher of law Frank van Dun is one among those who are elaborating a secular conception [2] of natural law in the liberal tradition. Libertarian theorist Murray Rothbard argues that "the very existence of a natural law discoverable by reason is a potentially powerful threat to the status quo and a standing reproach to the reign of blindly traditional custom or the arbitrary will of the State apparatus."[102] Ludwig von Mises states that he relaid the general sociological and economic foundations of the liberal doctrine upon utilitarianism, rather than natural law, but R.A. Gonce argues that "the reality of the argument constituting his system overwhelms his denial."[103] David Gordon notes, "When most people speak of natural law, what they have in mind is the contention that morality can be derived from human nature. If human beings are rational animals of such-and-such a sort, then the moral virtues are...(filling in the blanks is the difficult part)."[104]

However, a secular critique of the natural law doctrine was stated by Pierre Charron in his De la sagesse (1601): "The sign of a natural law must be the universal respect in which it is held, for if there was anything that nature had truly commanded us to do, we would undoubtedly obey it universally: not only would every nation respect it, but every individual. Instead there is nothing in the world that is not subject to contradiction and dispute, nothing that is not rejected, not just by one nation, but by many; equally, there is nothing that is strange and (in the opinion of many) unnatural that is not approved in many countries, and authorized by their customs."

Contemporary Christian understanding

Thomas Aquinas

The Roman Catholic Church holds the view of natural law set forth by Thomas Aquinas,[105] particularly in his Summa Theologica, and often as filtered through the School of Salamanca. This view is also shared by some Protestant churches,[106] and was delineated by C.S. Lewis in his works Mere Christianity and The Abolition of Man.[107]

The Catholic Church understands human beings to consist of body and mind, the physical and the non-physical (or soul perhaps), and that the two are inextricably linked.[108] Humans are capable of discerning the difference between good and evil because they have a conscience.[109] There are many manifestations of the good that we can pursue. Some, like procreation, are common to other animals, while others, like the pursuit of truth, are inclinations peculiar to the capacities of human beings.[110] Some contemporary Catholic theologians, such as John Wijngaards, dispute the Magisterium's interpretation of Natural Law as applied to specific points of sexual ethics, such as in the areas of contraceptives and homosexual unions.[111]

To know what is right, one must use one's reason and apply it to Aquinas' precepts. This reason is believed to be embodied, in its most abstract form, in the concept of a primary precept: "Good is to be sought, evil avoided."[112] St. Thomas explains that:

there belongs to the natural law, first, certain most general precepts, that are known to all; and secondly, certain secondary and more detailed precepts, which are, as it were, conclusions following closely from first principles. As to those general principles, the natural law, in the abstract, can nowise be blotted out from men's hearts. But it is blotted out in the case of a particular action, insofar as reason is hindered from applying the general principle to a particular point of practice, on account of concupiscence or some other passion, as stated above (77, 2). But as to the other, i.e., the secondary precepts, the natural law can be blotted out from the human heart, either by evil persuasions, just as in speculative matters errors occur in respect of necessary conclusions; or by vicious customs and corrupt habits, as among some men, theft, and even unnatural vices, as the Apostle states (Rm. i), were not esteemed sinful.[113]

However, while the primary and immediate precepts cannot be "blotted out", the secondary precepts can be. Therefore, for a deontological ethical theory they are open to a surprisingly large amount of interpretation and flexibility. Any rule that helps man to live up to the primary or subsidiary precepts can be a secondary precept, for example:

Drunkenness is wrong because it injures one's health, and worse, destroys one's ability to reason, which is fundamental to man as a rational animal (i.e. does not support self-preservation). Theft is wrong because it destroys social relations, and man is by nature a social animal (i.e. does not support the subsidiary precept of living in society).

Natural moral law is concerned with both exterior and interior acts, also known as action and motive. Simply doing the right thing is not enough; to be truly moral one's motive must be right as well. For example, helping an old lady across the road (good exterior act) to impress someone (bad interior act) is wrong. However, good intentions don't always lead to good actions. The motive must coincide with the cardinal or theological virtues. Cardinal virtues are acquired through reason applied to nature; they are:

1.Prudence
2.Justice
3.Temperance
4.Fortitude

The theological virtues are:

1.Faith
2.Hope
3.Charity

According to Aquinas, to lack any of these virtues is to lack the ability to make a moral choice. For example, consider a man who possesses the virtues of justice, prudence, and fortitude, yet lacks temperance. Due to his lack of self-control and desire for pleasure, despite his good intentions, he will find himself swaying from the moral path.

Although this video is nearly 5 years old it is still relevant today . Go at the 1.00 hour mark .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5p_rrTs_WfQ

Thank-you eNWO. I am NOT opposed to religion -- but I am opposed to mindless religious-participation -- and salvation4sale. As Jordan Maxwell keeps saying -- people do NOT study. We really are a flock of stupid sheep. I seek to reform religion -- rather than to destroy religion. The problem is that I think the real-story is VERY upsetting. I know some of the story -- and it's making a mess out of me. I keep thinking about Josephus. What if Josephus was an undercover deposed deity?! I keep thinking that the New Testament was booby-trapped. Religion is a HUGE can of worms. I just try to take everything in (positive and negative) -- and then just move on -- without getting too upset. God knows there's a lot to get upset about. I keep thinking this world got taken-over thousands of years ago -- and that the original ruler of this world is NOT the present administrator of Earth. I think what we see all around us is a corrupted version of an idealistic plan. This is probably why I don't wish to tear everything down -- and start over. I guess I wish to reform that which presently exists -- until I learn more regarding how things should really be. I guess I'm trying to positively-reinforce the Vatican -- the City of London -- Washington D.C. -- the United Nations -- and the Moon. I don't wish to get into a Trench-Jihad with all of the above -- but I wish for things to exponentially improve in an evolutionary (rather than a revolutionary) manner. I think that when the general-public finds out what's REALLY been going on -- they're going to go NUTS!!

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magamud wrote:I would suggest we dont even know what reason looks like.  All of reasons energy is being used to lubricate the machines synaptic clefts for self actualization.  I would compare it to a black hole.  It has force and weight and its magnetizing people to conform to its resonance. But I agree natural law is good if we can get there.

I just started reading The God Shaped Brain by Timothy R. Jennings, M.D. http://www.amazon.com/The-God-Shaped-Brain-Changing-Transforms/dp/0830834168/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1375389240&sr=8-1&keywords=god+shaped+brain This book might shed light upon the subject of 'Natural Law'. Natural Law continued In contemporary jurisprudence. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_law

In jurisprudence, natural law can refer to the several doctrines:

That just laws are immanent in nature; that is, they can be "discovered" or "found" but not "created" by such things as a bill of rights;
That they can emerge by the natural process of resolving conflicts, as embodied by the evolutionary process of the common law; or
That the meaning of law is such that its content cannot be determined except by reference to moral principles. These meanings can either oppose or complement each other, although they share the common trait that they rely on inherence as opposed to design in finding just laws.

Whereas legal positivism would say that a law can be unjust without it being any less a law, a natural law jurisprudence would say that there is something legally deficient about an unjust law. Legal interpretivism, famously defended in the English speaking world by Ronald Dworkin, claims to have a position different from both natural law and positivism.

Besides utilitarianism and Kantianism, natural law jurisprudence has in common with virtue ethics that it is a live option for a first principles ethics theory in analytic philosophy.

The concept of natural law was very important in the development of the English common law. In the struggles between Parliament and the monarch, Parliament often made reference to the Fundamental Laws of England, which were at times said to embody natural law principles since time immemorial and set limits on the power of the monarchy. According to William Blackstone, however, natural law might be useful in determining the content of the common law and in deciding cases of equity, but was not itself identical with the laws of England. Nonetheless, the implication of natural law in the common law tradition has meant that the great opponents of natural law and advocates of legal positivism, like Jeremy Bentham, have also been staunch critics of the common law.

Natural law jurisprudence is currently undergoing a period of reformulation (as is legal positivism). The most prominent contemporary natural law jurist, Australian John Finnis, is based in Oxford, but there are also Americans Germain Grisez, Robert P. George, and Canadian Joseph Boyle. All have tried to construct a new version of natural law. The 19th-century anarchist and legal theorist, Lysander Spooner, was also a figure in the expression of modern natural law.

"New Natural Law" as it is sometimes called, originated with Grisez. It focuses on "basic human goods," such as human life, knowledge, and aesthetic experience, which are self-evidently and intrinsically worthwhile, and states that these goods reveal themselves as being incommensurable with one another.

The tensions between the natural law and the positive law have played, and continue to play a key role in the development of international law.[114]

See also

Aristotle
Antigone
Thomas Aquinas
Jean Barbeyrac
Richard Cumberland
Declarationism
John Finnis
Henry George
Robert P. George
Hugo Grotius
Thomas Hobbes
International legal theory
Land Value Taxation
John Locke
Legal positivism
Lysander Spooner
Moral realism
Natural justice
Natural order
Natural rights
Naturalistic fallacy
Non-aggression principle
Objectivism (philosophy)
Orders of creation
Samuel von Pufendorf
Social contract
Purposive theory
Rule of law
Rule according to higher law
School of Salamanca
Spontaneous order
Stoicism
Substantive due process
Unenumerated rights
Universality (philosophy)
White Rose Society
Xeer

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87.^ Cumberland, ch. 1, sec. 33 (p. 356)
88.^ Haakonssen, "The Character and Obligation of Natural Law according to Richard Cumberland," pp. 34, 35.
89.^ Cumberland, ch. 5, sec. 13 (pp. 523-24).
90.^ Cumberland, ch. 5, sec. 12 (p. 525)
91.^ Cumberland, ch. 5, sec. 15 (pp. 527-28).
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Consider the concept of a 1928 Book of Common Prayer which, instead of merely having the Psalms printed in full -- contains Psalms, Isaiah, Daniel, Luke, Acts, and James -- in the King James Version of the Holy Bible. Then, consider combining this concept with Sacred Classical Music.

What if Jupiter Jones = Jupiter Ascending = Jupiter Rose = Rose Line = Holy Grail?? What if Borg Queen = Swedish Queen = Ring of Power?? What Would King Ring Say?? What Would the House of Leo Say?? What Would Abraxasinas Say?? What Would Raven Say?? What Would Sherry Shriner Say?? What Would Azazel Say?? What Would the Major Prophets Say?? What Would Josephus Say?? What Would the Ancient Egyptian Deity Say?? Anti-Antichrist = In Place of the Antichrist?? What Would Rose Say?? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_(Doctor_Who) What Would Who Do??


The whole premise behind this thread is that there is another level of civilization which rules humanity, which is smarter than mankind, with more resources than mankind, and with a completely different system of religion and governance. This is not to imply that they are God with a Big-G -- but rather Gods and Goddesses who MIGHT be at war with BOTH God (with a Big-G) and with Humanity. They could be Gizeh-Intelligence (or whoever the Nazis, the Masons, the Vatican, the City of London, the Monarchy, the United Nations, the Elites, et al REALLY deal with in secret). I'm trying to be neutral toward this hypothetical phenomenon. Without knowing my level of Karmic-Debt, it might not be wise for me to cast too many stones. I'm seeing Humanity as seemingly being a Herd of Lemmings in Quickening Mode. However, if one stops to reflect upon the madness, they get run over by the stampeding sheeple. I am SO hamstrung and fatigued. I'd actually rather be dealing with THIS!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HHz-INVUhk OR THIS!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZEl8d-RE4M BTW -- I wonder how many of us would be here if it weren't for Bill and Kerry. I'm not a Bill and Kerry basher -- but I never felt that they were really friendly toward the humble rank and file posters. Cool!!!! I just saw a group of Fighter-Jets fly by!!!

What do you think about this?? I am NOT endorsing these videos!! As you all know, I post a wide variety of perspectives, to attempt to make all of us think. Consider studying Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Solomon, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Lamentations, Ezekiel, and Daniel -- as sort of a Testament within the Old Testament -- and as of a Road Less Travelled -- which MIGHT not have been messed-with as much as some other Biblical Books MIGHT have been. Just a thought. I'm NOT trying to spoon-feed you with answers. I am merely providing a somewhat strange study-guide, to possibly assist those who are already way down the rabbit-hole. I am NOT trying to spoil the faith of the Faithful. Can you even begin to imagine the response to my posting if I posted this stuff on a Christian Website??? OMG!!! This does NOT mean that I'm NOT a Christian -- or that I don't believe in God. I'm simply taking contrarian approaches, in order to consider all of the possibilities -- even those which seem absurd and ridiculous. This madness is NOT intended for the General Public. I do NOT talk about this stuff in public -- other than on this small and select website -- where I perceive that I am mostly ignored (and even hated).


I am truly NOT dangerous in any conventional sense -- but I certainly don't know who I might really be on a soul-level. I MIGHT be more of a threat (to someone) than I think I might be. I might scare myself if I knew the truth about myself. I could pursue that FoIA thing (I never received a reply from my request submitted approximately one year ago), but perhaps it is better NOT to know. The PTB are NOT tripping over each other to tell me the truth -- and I think I might know why -- but I'm NOT going to talk about it!! I am frankly preparing myself for as many possibilities as possible. I just think this solar system (and everyone in it) is SO screwed. A promotion (as I keep joking about) would only multiply the problems and perplexities. I'm trying to imagine being part of an Ethical and Righteous Gizeh Intelligence. I really don't wish to be too specific regarding this fantasy -- which is a major reason why I am going silent at the end of this month. It's too nerve-wracking and potentially-dangerous to keep blurting-out this and that theory. I have hinted at a lot of things -- and given all of you tools to work with -- to build a new tomorrow, on plans we make today. Just keep researching and responding responsibly. Here is a roommate-candidate for that room with a supercomputer!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzjkBwZtxp4

Take a look at this Phobos portion of Richard Hoagland's website. http://www.enterprisemission.com/Phobos2.html I will continue to be open, yet critical, regarding this sort of thing. I've done a lot of joking about Phobos and the Dracs, but this could be a very serious matter. I prefer to keep treating all of this solar system stuff (SSS) as science-fiction. When I don't really know the truth, I will continue to be somewhat irreverent and sarcastic. We need to keep asking the hard questions. At this point, I'm more interested in Phobos than I am in Nibiru, simply because Phobos has been close to us for so long, and we have had so many spacecraft doing flybys. Actually, the Secret Space Program probably has unconventional craft going to Phobos all the time! There has to be a helluva lot of classified information on Phobos! Hopefully, some of this info will start leaking and seeping out of the agencies who are 'protecting' us from the horrors of the universe, and there probably are legion horrors to look forward to. The Moon and Phobos are probably excellent 'spaceships' to focus upon. They could be 'practice' for Nibiru, and who knows what else is out there? I guess I'm trying to learn how to think clearly, while in a state of petrifying horror, if you know what I mean. I guess I'm practicing for I know not what. There really is no security or reward in this line of voluntary madness. It's really a labor of insanity, but somebody's gotta do it.

I like what Richard wrote about Phobos, but he speaks as though whoever was within Phobos is no longer there, and that we will be free to plunder and scavenge as we please. I tend to think that Phobos is occupied with those who are related to us, at least on a soul-level, and that the advanced technology is ancient technology, which might be our own. I'm sensing that a lot of technology stealing has occurred, or the stealing of 'fire' from the gods. I further think that a lot of this technology is already in the underground bases, and some of it might be most of the 'modern' technology we use each and every day. Theology and Star Wars should not be minimized when discussing the Moon, Phobos, Iapetus, and Advanced Technology. I worry that we can't even handle the technology which we already possess. I also worry that the nukes and other weapons of mass-destruction might not be under the control of human beings. The military-industrial complex might not have been for the benefit of human beings. Perhaps just the opposite. What if none of the advanced spacecraft, underground bases, and weapons of mass-destruction were intended to benefit the human-race, in any way, shape, or form? What if we really are slaves who are so stupid that we think we are in control, when we are just prisoners on a prison-planet in rebellion??? What if we have built up the solar system real nice - for someone else? What if they don't like to share? Think about it. I have been working toward the establishment of a United States of the Solar System, but I don't know what the hell is really going on. How would I ever know when I was finally being told the true story? If, I have appeared to be somewhat rude and ungrateful, it's because I have a HUGE crisis of confidence. I am so disillusioned and despondant regarding the state of affairs in this solar system, that it will take a series of major miracles to cheer me up. 'Everything is Fine' is going to be a VERY hard sell. I'm expecting nothing but trouble for a very long time. Promising me a rose-garden won't get me to walk happily and stupidly down the primrose path. Trust me.

What would be the harm in studying world-government, the solar system, and watching science-fiction - in a non-paranoid and non-conspiratorial frame of mind? Also, what would be the harm in studying reptiles and mammals, without necessarily thinking about reptilian humanoids? This sort of relates to the idea of a University of Solar System Studies and Governance. I'd like to make this whole thing be an academic pursuit, rather than a sneaking around in the mountains with guns, ammo, constitutions, and bandanas - waiting for the Feds, the Chinese, the UN Troops, and the Aliens - if you know what I mean. I continue to like the idea of multidisciplinary studies, rather than getting into a rut on any one subject. I might do some posting, but I think I'm going to lay-off of the Namaste Constititutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System thing for a while. I've ridden that dead-horse for long enough. I'm going to study the Moon, Phobos, the SS, the Jesuits, and Gizeh-Intelligence for a while. That oughtta keep me out of trouble!!!! That oughtta make them stop watching me for a while!!!!!! That oughtta get me off the Red-List!!!!! Here's more. A lot more.

Interstellar War and Genetic Hybridization are sort of at the center of my speculations. I obviously want peace, but not at any price. I'm very concerned about deception by both the good and bad guys and gals. I'd sort of like to get to the truth with all deliberate speed, regardless of how brutal the gang of facts (gang of dracs?) are. I keep getting the impression that we all came here in other than human form (as the Orion Group?), and engaged in genetic hybridization, advanced technology development, and the inevitable rivalries and jealousies, leading to Star Wars in Heaven (or at least in the Solar System). I think that the whole Nazi-Phenomenon might be quite revealing regarding this subject. I think we might be in the middle of a continuing Star War. The SS, the Jesuits, and Gizeh-Intelligence are of interest to me. I smell smoke, but I'm not sure I really want to see the fire. It might be quite blinding. It feels as though we have a somewhat out of control situation, which I would like to see become safe and sane, for all concerned. Here is the truth about Aliens, Nibiru, 2012, Lucifer, and the USSS Namaste aka Phobos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u810PTA5Tc&NR=1 The secret government doesn't want you to know about this! After viewing this explosive video, they will stop at nothing to stop you! You know too much! What's that helicopter doing over my house? Why are they pounding on my front-door! Aaaaaaaaaagh!!!!!!!


Imagine being in a room with 100 of the best and brightest individuals in the solar system - discussing solar system governance issues. What might that be like? Is this the way it should be? But how would one ensure that you really had the 100 best and brightest individuals? How would one keep this group from becoming cold, hard, cynical, and corrupt? So many things start out looking so very promising, and then they go to hell in a hurry. Would an Idealized Queen of Heaven really be the best final authority? Imagine dealing with an Uber Competent Queen of Heaven in a Temple Palace on the Moon. What might that be like? If they were really, really good - that would be an exhilarating experience, especially if they were really, really sexy!! But what if they made Bloody Mary look like Mother Teresa? How about Kali or Hathor on a bad day?? Think about it. The human race should be treated with dignity and respect, and be given appropriate levels of responsibility, but does there need to be a theocratic authority of last resort? If people are treated like children, they're going to act like children. But, on the other hand, if they are allowed to run wild, they might exterminate themselves rather quickly. Where is the happy medium or proper balance point in all of this governance madness? I really just want things to operate properly, and for wars, starvation, gross-injustice, etc. to be completely eliminated. The drama should be kept to an absolute minimum. There are probably hundreds of viable models of solar system governance, which would work just fine, but a Theocratically Implemented United States of the Solar System is the one I'm going to run with, until I find something better, and I am open to being shown something better. But it better be really good! This thread is not born of arrogance and superiority, but rather of insecurity and inferiority. I'm really just trying to make sense out of things, so as to try to help make things better for everyone. I like a mixture of the royal model, the servant model, formality, informality, democracy, and theocracy. Even if there has been historical and contemporary governmental malfeasance, a new team might not be much better. I really am trying to understand that which has been hidden from the goyim and commoners. I hate having to keep guessing about all of this, but when I really find out the truth, I might hate myself regarding my historical reincarnational role in the troubles which have plagued this solar system. Ignorance is bliss, right?

I deal in possibilities and probabilities, and I also mostly connect dots to information which has been revealed by others. But I do this very passively, and only on this little forum. I think most of those who read what I write, know a lot more than I do, even though they rarely comment. I have no credentials, so my credibility is zero. Even if I'm mostly right, the impact is probably close to zero. It's not like I've been given the grand-tour by a group of Dracs and Tall, Long-Nosed Greys, and then told not to tell anyone. I really don't know, but I worry constantly, and I suspect deception and foul-play on a grand scale. And no, it's not worth it, but I do it anyway. It might be of some benefit to someone, somehow, somewhere, somewhen. This is sort of like 'Mr. Smith Goes to Phobos'. This is honestly an attempt to reconstruct a badly shattered faith, but it obviously is not working. They promised me a rose-garden. They lied. I'm not complaining about the primrose path. It's what's at the end of the path that troubles me. The light at the end of the tunnel might be an oncoming magneto-leviton train travelling at mach 2. They never promised me a rose-garden in Avalon or the Mists of Avalon, and I don't expect one here, or on Phobos, for that matter. But the truth of our predicament seems to have been carefully hidden by both the good guys and the bad guys. They all have their reasons. But it seems to me that the time has come for the truth to be tactfully revealed to everyone, regardless of whether satisfactory solutions can be achieved, or not. My continued speculation might prepare myself and others for whatever horrors await us, just around the corner. I'm trying to keep all of this in the realm of science-fiction, and mostly for a morbid sort of entertainment. If someone becomes upset by this, they can be consoled that I'm just a stupid crackpot conspiracy theorist, rather than a credentialed whistleblower. If the Mists of Avalon gets taken down, perhaps we can start the Fog of Phobos...


I GET HOW THIS THING WORKS. IF YOU'RE QUALIFIED - YOU'RE COMPROMISED. IF YOU'RE NOT COMPROMIZED - YOU'RE NOT QUALIFIED. RIGHT? RECRUIT 'EM - OR REMOVE 'EM. RIGHT? PRETTY GOOD WAY TO CONTROL THE SITUATION - ISN'T IT? THOSE WHO TALK, DON'T KNOW. THOSE WHO KNOW, DON'T TALK. RIGHT? GO COMPLETELY IGNORANT SCIENCE FICTION WRITERS! THE PIOUS ZOMBIES SHALL INHERIT THE EARTH! I NEED TO SHUT-UP!

Regardless of what has transpired throughout history, there is probably no simple and easy way to manage a solar system, past, present, or future, especially when very high technology is involved. I think a lot of people are experiencing future-shock and an information overload. There is a loss of innocence and security. We are hurtling through space on a spaceship filled with weapons of mass-destruction, and who knows what horrors lurk throughout the solar system? We have been lied to by the preachers, politicians, scientists, banksters, et al, and it seems that there is a corrupt and deceptive core to this world and solar system. But what is one to do, when to rule men it is necessary to deceive them? I'm just very worried about all of the problems which seem to have been deliberately perpetrated against humanity. I don't expect things to ever be perfect, but I think they could be a helluva lot better than they have been, or are presently. The principles and concepts presented in this thread could help achieve a better solar system, but I know there are many other ways to improve things. I need to let all of this settle in my soul. I am worried about the possibility of global unrest as we learn more and more upsetting facts and figures relevant to our predicament. I'm really trying to cool-it. Soul-craft needs to be central to societal evolution. I think I might be able to expose a lot of things if I really tried, but I really don't wish to try. I think I've stirred-up enough trouble already. But what really bothers me, is that justice does not seem to be forthcoming regarding all of the corruption and wrongdoing which has been clearly uncovered by thousands of people throughout the world. Covering things up seems to be the top priority of the custodians of the status-quo, rather than making things right. The bad guys and gals are still riding high, and I see no signs that anything is changing for the better. The average person seems to be under attack, rather than the real thieves and violent criminals, who often wear Armani, Prada, and Rolex. Many of the pillars of society appear to be rotten or crumbling, but not many notice because of all the smoke and mirrors. This world really is sick, and trying to change things for the better seems to make one mentally ill, and become a person of concern to the law-enforcement and intelligence-communities. Not giving a damn and being morally-ambiguous seems to work a helluva lot better. The irresponsible seem to be rewarded, and the responsible seem to be punished. Are we witnessing and experiencing the controlled-demolition of the human-race? Anyway, I need to heal, so I'll be in better shape when the excrement really hits the refrigeration system. Perhaps I need to find a good 'Armageddon Trainer'. I'm half-joking and half-serious. A big thank-you to those who frequent these alternative sites, regardless of your point of view, and regardless of whether you work for the secret-government or not. I feel really lost today. The infowar seems to have gotten to me. You know, once we get everything all figured-out, and put all of the bad guys and gals in prison, we will still face huge problems and disappointments. The struggle will be ongoing. I hope things will be better, but I don't expect things to ever be easy and painless. Once again, pain is the cost of doing business in the universe, regardless of who runs the solar system, and regardless of how they do it.

There are good and bad people in every race, religion, country, business, and political system. What is the common factor uniting the good people? What is the common factor uniting the bad people? What turns good people into bad people? What turns bad people into good people? Do you see my point? There could be good and bad proponents of a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System. I really wish to maximize the good people and minimize the bad people. But who is qualified to judge who is good and who is bad? What if the judge is bad? Or what if a good judge has bad judgment? I read 'The Communist Manifesto' in high-school, and it had a lot of good points, but look at the horrors of the Soviet Union! I lean strongly toward the U.S. Constitution, but look at the many absurdities and abuses in the history of the United States! Just establishing the ultimate religion, the ultimate government, or the ultimate union of church and state, really doesn't solve the problem. Are we really fighting an unseen and supernatural foe, or is there a problem at the soul-level? Do we all have negative baggage at the soul-level, which rears it's ugly head, to taunt, harass, and possess us? I don't know, but we seem to live in a somewhat creepy solar system, which a New Solar System might not remedy. It might go deeper than my band-aid fix. Think long and hard about what I just said in this post. Again, the ultimate goal, for me at least, is a perfected humanity living in a perfected solar system. But how do we achieve this? Do the ends justify the means? I think that the means determine the ends. Methodology is extremely important. The journey is as important as the destination. In many respects, the journey is the destination. When I spoke with Terence McKenna, he told me that 'if you dream it, you've already done it'. Once again, this thread is a study-guide rather than a manifesto. Use it while you can. I suspect that the internet might become severely restricted in the near future. All is not well in this solar system. All might not be well throughout the universe. I have conceptualized being a solar system administrator, just for the hell of it, and it has frankly scared the hell out of me. So many things could go so very wrong, as I suspect that they have, throughout the history of this solar system. Idealism doesn't necessarily equal effectiveness. Someone who is good today, can be bad tomorrow, and the reverse can be true. I have dealt with individuals who I had very mixed feelings about. They seemed to be a mixture of extreme good and extreme evil. I was, and am, extremely conflicted about this. I have faked being nutty on this thread, but I do feel a bit nutty, most of the time. I feel as if we are presently in the eye of the storm, and that something is a brewing. Hmmmmmmmmmm. What would tone3jaguar say? What would Dr. Who say? Which one? Do you think that Dr. Who might be a bit like Michael / ??????? / Horus / Mithras / Various Pharaohs / Jesus / ????? / ?????!!!???

I like Ron Paul, but I don't dislike Bernanke. I do dislike the IRS and the Federal Reserve, but if Bernanke told the truth about what's really going on, I think all hell would break loose. He seems to be keeping the lid on what could potentially be a very explosive situation. The existing system seems to be corrupt and hostile toward the public. I want to End the Fed, and institute a 5% National-Federal Point of Sale Tax on every sale, even stocks and produce. I supose that foreign visitors and food-stamp recipients would not be exempted either. No exceptions. No exemptions. No forms. No kidding. Agents would enforce the point of sale collection of this tax, and the money would go directly to the government, without going through private hands. I realize this would create a problem for the black projects, secret government, secret space program, and underground bases, but the legitimate aspects of these programs could be legitimately and openly funded, without resorting to corrupt taxation, blood-money, and illegal-drug money. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

Tangentially, I noticed that when I disconnected the internet line to my computer, that the computer fan continued to rev like a sports-car, even when not in active use. Either this phenomenon has nothing to do with being monitored, or there is some sort of wireless or satellite access to my computer. I know I'm paranoid, and I often wear a Ron Paul hat, but I do think that back-door access to computers and 24/7 monitoring of problem people is a reality. I think I'm problematic on the internet, but not in real-life. The devil used to make me do it, but now the internet makes me do it. What if all of our computers are possessed by evil-spirits? Amoeba-like whisps of white-light pass between me and the computer-screen, at least once a month, and that's just when I notice them. As I watch the screen, the screen is probably watching me. The devil used to tempt me, but now I tempt the devil, in sort of a Last Temptation of Satan. I need some sleep, or maybe I just need to get laid.

On yet another tangent, to me, at least, there is a strange underlying attitude or atmosphere connected with the management and directorial aspects of Hollywood and Showbiz, which is quite different than the finished products on television or on the silver screen. I think these people know a lot, but they don't say a lot, which is understandable. I also think they get fed scripts and information by those who know a helluva lot. Again, this is understandable. But I would like to see showbiz take a much higher road than it has over the past few decades. Some sex and violence is necessary for a realistic story-line, but not the trash the public is bombarded with. The same goes for Las Vegas. A sexy show is one thing, but the escort, call-girl, and prostitution situation is sickening and out of control. It really cheapens that town. I visited there a couple of years ago, and I really don't wish to go back, until they clean things up. I don't oppose the basic concept, but the reality stinks, in my view. In a way, it would be sort of cool to live in Vegas, and work at Area 51, but only if the whole thing were cleaned-up. I don't wish to reinvent the solar system. I just want it cleaned-up and streamlined. I don't want it to be a toilet and a slaughterhouse. The courruption, misery, and degradation in this solar system is indescribable and unimaginable. Consider the butchery and environmental destruction over the past 150 years. This deplorable state of affairs must and will be corrected. Nuff said. What would Bugsy say? Who shot Bugsy Siegel? Notice Virginia Hill's (Bugsy's mistress) brooch. What was Virginia's occupation? What are Hollywood and Vegas sometimes called? Virginia wasn't exactly a virgin, or was she? What would TREEE say? I need to stop, and watch my 3 DVD's called 'Hollywood vs the Mob', after I finish watching 'La Femme Nikita'. http://www.crackle.com/c/La_Femme_Nikita/La_Femme_Nikita/2449081 I don't go much for raw violence, but this movie is quite good, even though it's in French. I really just need to drop this whole thing. I'm really just trying to find peace, for myself and the solar system.

BTW -- the Ancient Egyptian Deity told me that they "Built Las Vegas with Bugsy"!! Consider the similarities between Virginia Hill and Angela (in The Word)!! What if Virginia = Angela = Sherry = Dana = TREEE = Anubis = RA = AED?? Think About It!! What Would Groot Do??


What do you think about this? I lean toward Dana's perspective - but I have learned a lot from Sherri and TREEE. Perhaps Dana, TREEE, and Sherry are all ONE?! I so don't want to keep dealing with this madness - but I so don't want the madness to continue. It is interesting to compare these three interesting ladies with each other. It's sort of like a cat-fight, in a way - even though they don't usually refer to each other. Once again - I am not a follower of any of these three - but I do like to keep my eye of them...


What if the three interesting ladies are all the same individual? I'm not saying they are, and I could say a lot more, but why would Dana have all of TREEE's passwords, and access to all of her accounts? I like listening to all three, and they know a helluva lot, but I don't trust them. Could this be sort of a test? There is another individual of interest, who I won't name, and I won't say anything further about them. I just think there are a lot of deceptive games being played, for who knows what reasons?! What would Lilith say? I'm both supportive and angry at just about everyone right now. I'm pretty much disgusted with everything. I'm really winding-down my posting activities. I'm going to be reviewing everything I have done, in sort of a private investigative judgment. I think I've been on the right track, but there are huge gaps in my theories and ideas. I also need to get my personal act together. I'm seeing lies everywhere. It seems that even the good-guys fight the bad-guys with white-lies. Perhaps telling the absolute truth is an impossibility. The truth is so overrated, right? Well, I think we should get to the truth of the matter, with all deliberate speed, in a highly tactful manner. I will not yell 'FIRE' in a crowded theater, even if the theater is on fire. I think I've said quite enough on the internet, and I think others are saying quite enough, but the dots are not being properly connected. Also, we seem to want to hurt each other, no matter what. This needs to change.

Here is yet another interesting website I found while looking at one of TREEE's You Tube videos. http://hellenandchaos.blogspot.com/2010/04/suicidal-attitude-usa-government-is.html It doesn't seem that TREEE has posted anything since last summer. What's going on? If you watch TREEE, you will see someone who appears scatter-brained, but who seems to be able to rattle-off a huge amount of esoteric information. I have no idea whether it's true or not, but it would be difficult for anyone to speak this quickly and abstractly. Nuff said. You figure it out. Here is something from that site:

USA Government stupidly rushing to build a forward moon base in cooperation with the lunar Dragonians in order to meet ...the alien "threat". Namely in order to try to stop the Andromedians Universal Hierarchy Judges that are about to free us from the criminal cancerous 13.500 years presence of the Lunar "Lord" who has instigated genocides that bloodbathed humanity and the White and Black Race in world wars, civil wars and riots and who is now trying to cause the terminal WWIII of the Dragonian "Armageddon" in order to completely annihilate everyone except the pure yellow Sinese saurianhumo Race.

-These collusion gangs of Dragonian Spirits, through besotted earthly priesthoods, established all the contrary Religions (888 vs 666, etc), all the contrary Political ideologies (Capitalism, Communism, Nazism, Fascism, Socialism, Democracy, etc.), all the contrary Economical systems, and all the contrary Military pacts (NATO, Shanghai Pact, etc) of our Planet, with end purpose the division and the civil genocides of all races of our planet, and with end purpose the final Genocide of all the Human Races, Nations and States of our Planet, by the armies of the Dragonian pure yellow race Chinese and Koreans in the Chinese "Armageddon" of the Dragonian Judeo-Christian "Holy Scripture", because according to the G.H.REES research, planet Earth became a Theater of War, as a projection of the Space War between the coalition of the "Constellation of Andromeda" and the coalition of the "Hyper Solar System of Sirius", against the "Constellation of Draco".

-There are attempts to connect G.H.REES with Groups of "New Age Spiritual Mediums" who communicate with the Dragonians like the "Ashtar Command of the non existent Galactic Federation of Light" posing as the returning Andromedian Dodecatheon of Zeus.

NesaRA's Descended Demonic Imposter Disasters. (cartoon shapeshifting Draconian fakes) http://nesara.insights2.org/Founders.html

Cancerous entrapped reincarnation dragonian - lunar policy (cause) and Universal Hierarchy arriving Judges (effect). Should Anna Hayes aka Ashayana Deane be a fourth interesting lady? I'm somewhat intrigued by these four interesting ladies, for a variety of reasons. And what about Orgone, for making UFO's crash, and killing aliens, as advocated by Sherry Shriner? I'm somewhat suspicious about the whole Orgone thing. What if Orgone is something the darkside wants spread everywhere, or what if all the alien-haters are marked by using Orgone? What if Orgone attracts evil-spirits? I'm going to say it one more time, be very discerning, and listen to a wide variety of sources. I'm doing the best I can, but I think that at least half of what I speculate about is probably pure, unmitigated popycock. What about Colleen Thomas? She's foxy and easy to listen to, but what is the true source of her voluminous information. I listen, but I am very suspicious of so much of what I listen to on the internet. I think the bs and delusion is rampant, and that it will probably get worse. I continue to be very concerned about the small numbers and lack of active discussion of extremely important topics, on this site and other similar sites. I think this world might be really, really screwed. I don't trust the good-guys or the bad-guys at this point. What if all we are dealing with in this solar system is different factions of the Orion Group. What if all of us are part of the Orion Group, including the humans, hybrids, reptilians, and greys? I'm thinking Orion Group and Sirius A and B, as being 95% of what's going on in this solar system. I think there is SO MUCH DECEPTION AND MANIPULATION. Keep thinking about Occam's Razor, and don't stop thinking about tomorrow.

I just want to apologize one more time for anything I have posted which has been offensive to anyone. I'm trying to be informal, honest, and sometimes funny. I'm trying to be a pure-soul, but I'm also trying to be a real-soul. I sometimes swear privately, but I never swear at anyone. I am a very, very frustrated person, at this point, and I am trying to think about a lot of things which are difficult to think about, and I am doing so in some very unconventional ways, which make me a lone-ranger with my @#$% hanging out. I really wish to be pure and refined, and live in a rarified spiritual atomosphere, but I am finding that there are very few kindred spirits, or so it often seems. And when one engages in this sort of thinking, there are various and sundry intellectual, spiritual, and emotional challenges, which could resemble a mild case of going nucking futs. Once again, I need to stop.

I'm going to continue to spend most of my time looking at recent history and solar system governance, rather than focusing on predictions and prophecy. I grew-up in a church which focused on prophecy, and while I still respect the principles and concepts, I think predictions and prophecy can be a mental and spiritual trap. I'm simply going to try to make things better, and just take whatever comes my way, be it good or bad. There might very well be an apocalypse, but I'm not preparing for it, or trying to get a ticket for an underground base, or a ride on a ufo. I'm just going to stay where I am, and go down with the ship, if it does go down. The darkside needs to cease and desist. Game Over.

The history and philosophy of science might be a beneficial area of research. Again, I have a bad feeling about a lot of traditional theology and about a lot of new age teaching. I'm trying to pick and choose from a very wide variety of topics and sources. I still like the idea of a University of Solar System Studies and Governance. Hold that thought. What do the people at JPL really think? What do the people at the Vatican really think? What do the people at the Pentagon really think? What does the Secret Government really think? What does the World Council of Churches really think? What does Obama really think? What does the Queen really think? What does the Queen of Heaven and God of This World really think? We might be surprised. What does orthodoxymoron really think? You don't wanna know...

I am trying so very hard to stop posting, and just research. Period. I'm also liking the idea of eliminating the cell-phone and endless hours on the internet, because of the monitoring. I realize that monitoring can still occur, but I still would like to minimize my exposure at this point. This latest crisis of confidence is one more reason for me to go dark, and become an ultra-secret society of one. I can give myself the secret orthodoxymoron handshake, as I watch the end of the world from the comfort of my shallow underground civilian base. I plan to swelter in my shelter. Or perhaps I should say 'Beam me up SaLuSa!'


What if at least one branch of the military were based upon 1. The Writings of Sun Tsu. 2. The U.S. Constitution. 3. The Teachings of Jesus? I don't have a problem with military discipline, but I have a HUGE problem with nearly all of the wars, throughout history. I love the air-shows, parades, exercises, etc., but I hate the damn body-bags and injuries. What if everyone got cycled through a military branch, such as the National Guard, where people learned trades, discipline, civil defense, search and rescue, how to properly use weapons, and how to follow instructions under pressure? Do you see my point? The purpose of this branch of the military might be to avoid war, and to make friends around the world. The other branches would be ready to kick @$$, if need be. Civilian gun owners would need to go through this training, and would be part of a well-regulated militia. Do you see what I'm saying? Once again, my posts are intended to make you think, and to then arrive at your own conclusions.


I'm thinking mostly in terms of This Solar System, Sirius A & B, and the Orion Group - and that we might all be a part of the Orion Group from Sirius - and that all of the humanoid forms in all of the above might be pretty much the same at the soul-level. I'm seeing mostly a continuing ancient Civil Star War in Heaven, with at least three factions led by Reptilian Queens. (We Three Queens of Orion are Trying to Rule the Heavens Afar.) There might be a lot more to it than this simple view, but why not completely explore the simple view, before making things more complex than they really are? I'm hoping there can be a satisfactory resolution to this madness, very soon, but I certainly don't know how bad things really are. I'm feeling nothing but negativity and dread. This thing doesn't seem to be even close to being over. I have repeatedly gotten my hopes up, but now I'm preparing for a very long and hard winter. Once again, hope springs eternal. Once again, I don't necessarily hate scales and tails, or suffer from Phobos-Phobia, but I don't know enough to make proper judgments and determinations. Consider reading and watching a lot of science-fiction to prepare for a wide variety of possible scenarios. I don't think we have a clue about what's really going to happen in the future, if we even have a future. I wouldn't count on anything. I think we all need to become a lot tougher and resiliant, but in a kinder and gentler manner. We should be prepared for just about anything, and I mean anything. I still think it would be cool to live in a non-militaristic version of the Stargate SG-1 base, which might be sort of a think-tank, with perhaps a couple of dozen team-members. An old decommissioned missile silo might be used for such a purpose. I don't like all of the machine-gunning in SG-1 episodes, but I like the discussions they get into, and I like the team members.

What about a Calculus-Based United States of the Solar System? What would Reimann say? Would this create a derivative scandal? What about the derivative of X, with no respect for Y? dx de heck with it! Seriously. What mathematical models might we use in a Cray, to test competing political and religious solar systems? Resource allocation spreadsheets might be interesting. What about modelling Asteroid Wars? How many Asteroid Drones are in this Solar System? What about deriving the Galactic Wave Equation? What would Schroedinger say? What would his cat say? I was a helluva lot smarter when I was a little child. I used to imagine flying through the solar system in a one-child ufo, that I designed and built myself. I imagined designing personal computers and frictionless magnetic bearings, and I looked at the solar system through my little telescope, with innocent wonder. But then I grew-up and got really mean, stubborn, and stupid. I'm trying to get nice and smart again, but now I'm going crazy, and this Disneyland of the Gods E-Ticket Ride is almost over. Now what do I do? What would John Keel say? What would the Mothman say? Is God going to hit the reset button, and reboot the universe? Perhaps it just needs a new operating system or a software upgrade. Has technology made us safer and happier? What would Palmer Joss say? What would Ellie say? What would Rachel say? What would Mr. Haddon say? If we had ten times as many WMD's as we have now, would we be ten times as safe? Put that in your Cray, and model it. Or perhaps it might be better to smoke the peace-pipe. Maybe if we all got a bong, we'd all get along. Perhaps the thurifer should replace the incense with some Maui-Wowie! Or maybe a little angel dust in the refrigeration system would bring us face to face with the Almighty, and without a Mediator! Would the excrement contact the blower? Perhaps we should eliminate 90% of the least beneficial technology and industrialization, and only implement the most beneficial new technology and industrialization. Why should we bury ourselves with the work we dig? Can you dig it? Solar System Governance is an Abstract. It's a Human Construct. What would Azrael say? How much truth is there in 'Legion' and 'Dogma'? What would Gabriel, Lucifer, and Michael say? WWJD? Should Jesus be called 'Jesus'? Who is responsible for creating Astro-Theology? Something fishy's going on. Do Draconian Reptilians have Fish-Heads? What would the Dogons say? What would Robert Temple say? What would the Nommos say? What would the Pope say? Siriusly!

Why is the Woman in Scarlet called 'The Whore of Babylon'? Because she babbles on and on and on and on. What would TREEE say? Tehuti is important, and so are tatoos! Don't get stung by Serqet! She's a real mother! She might give you the kiss of death and the last supper. I don't know why I'm doing this, and you probably wish that I weren't doing this. Perhaps I should stop. Or maybe I should talk about sex. What would Raven say? Who invented sex? What would Michael say? What would Horus say? What would Mithras say? Was and is Jesus archangelic and pharaonic? Was Jesus black? Was Jesus Annunaki? Did Jesus get fired? Did he get blacklisted? What is the Nature of Christ, at the soul-level? Fully God and Fully Man? Or Truly God and Truly Man? Will Jesus return? Did he leave? How many Incarnations have there been? Incarnation or Reincarnation? Example or Substitute? Is the Substitutionary Atonement Ethical? Is cleansing the universe of sin and sinners really mass murder? Is Mass Murder Ever Ethical? What would Joseph Fletcher say? Is War a Sin? What would Karl Menninger say? Is the Latin Mass a Human Sacrifice? Who gave Adolph Hitler and Eugenio Pacelli their marching orders? What would Heinrich Himmler say? What would the Jesuit General say? What would the Bavarian Illuminati say? What would the Teutonic Zionists say? What would the Freemasons say? What would the Queen of Heaven and God of This World say? What would the Moving Finger Write? Babylon is Fallen - and can't get up? Are we fiddling, while Rome burns? I should stop, drop, and roll another joint. Actually, I've never smoked anything in my life. Not even a fish. I've never had a single drink of beer or wine (except for communion wine - Port Tawny), but still you judge me as unworthy. Perhaps I should've become an Unnecessary Surgeon or a Lying Leader in the Synagogue of Satan. That wouldn't make me righteous, but at least I'd be respectable and presentable. Appearances are Everything, aren't they? What would Joe Kennedy say? Now I really do need to stop, and finish rewatching 'Avatar'. What did James Cameron know, and when did he know it? What was Steven afraid of? Was Stephen stoned, drunk, or just stupid? What about you? What's your excuse? What would Bartleby say? What would Loki do? Hocus Pocus Dominocus - the Spirits are About to Speak! This might be a good time to cover your ears. Now I shall improvise a fugue. As the voices enter, one by one - the people leave, one by one. Open the doors of the church! Twelve O'Clock, and All's Well!!! At least that's what you think! What about the secretary who gave her boss a raise??!! That temptress from hell!! They're both gonna burn!! Fire!! Fire!! Your Pants Were on Fire!! Your Hearts Were Filled With Burning Desire!! Sex as Sin is Good for Business, When Salvation is For Sale. Indulgences by PayPal. Visa and MasterCard (formerly BankAmeriCard) Accepted!! What would Eric John Phelps say? Pretty fly for a white-guy!! What would Noodles say? The Offspring is the Spawn of Satan!! New Solar System Without End. Orthodoxymoron. Completely Ignorant Fool, or Wave of the Future?? I had you fooled, didn't I?!

Once again -- all of my internet activities are for educational and entertainment purposes only. This is all a Moot-Jihad. It is a Mental and Spiritual Exercise. I'm washed-out and over the hill. I have very little to offer anyone. I talk-big because I am SO small. Humanity seems to be happy with the way things are -- so why should I try to change anything?? Being hyper-idealistic and hyper-ethical is SO overrated. Besides -- most of my ideas and speculation are probably utter BS. I don't really want to talk about what I'm thinking about. Not anymore. Jordan Maxwell has repeatedly stated that saving humanity from the abuse and exploitation of the so-called New World Order is a lost-cause (or something to that effect). I hate to admit that he might be right. I'm sorry we couldn't work together to build a better tomorrow. Perhaps I should wrap this thread up -- and simply move on. That might be better for all concerned. Please remember that I do NOT agree with a lot of what I post. I simply wished to challenge everyone's presuppositions -- but the fact that this thread is mostly ignored might be for the best. Is there no problem?? Is everything fine?? Is life good -- and getting better?? I certainly hope so.


I just watched Iron Sky -- and I found it quite entertaining (in a rather dark sense) -- and it really made me think. Same goes for the movie Paul. I'm not a real science-fiction aficionado. I use science-fiction as a crutch. I frankly simply wish for things to be peaceful and happy. Perhaps someone dropped me off on the wrong planet. Once again, I am going to attempt to read Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Solomon, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Lamentations, Ezekiel, and Daniel -- straight-through -- over and over -- as a mental and spiritual exercise. Again, I am suggesting that the Bible be studied, rather than quoted, with a variety of approaches. What if the Teachings of Jesus preceded the Story of Jesus?? Consider the source Q. What if the Teachings of Jesus are really an Old Testament phenomenon??!! Do the Teachings of Jesus harmonize with the Old Testament Books listed above?? Notice that the Book of Common Prayer is all about the Psalms and Ancient Israel. What if Ancient Israel equals Ancient Egypt?? Perhaps the Bible Teachings should be divorced from the Bible Stories?! Just a thought!! I get the feeling that the Bible has been massively messed-with and misrepresented. Should we simply positively-reinforce EVERYTHING??? I tend to think so. Again, regarding Schuller and Peale -- I lean much more toward Positive-Thinking than I do Self-Esteem. I actually prefer the term Positive Response Ability. Study the books and sermons of Schuller and Peale -- positively reinforcing their material (especially regarding the principles and concepts). Positively Reinforce ALL Religions and Countries. I'm liking the term Paradise Incorporated as being representative of the next best step forward from Purgatory Incorporated. I don't wish to throw stones. I wish to move on with evolutionary change. On the other hand, we really need to learn from the past. We need to learn from the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly. Finally, consider the interrelationship of Nature, Human-Nature, Natural-Law, and the Perfect Law of the Lord. Please think long and hard about this paragraph.

Some things are becoming a lot clearer to me, and it's not a pretty picture. It has to do with how the world has really worked, over the past thousand years, in general, and over the past hundred years, in particular. I won't spell it out in this post, but I desire that the human race learn the truth in as gentle and tactful of a manner as possible. I doubt that things will go smoothly, but I'd like us to move on to bigger and better things as soon as possible. Take a closer look at World War II, and the Nazi Phenomenon, especially in relation to the Vatican and Gizeh Intelligence. I'm tending to think that Pope Pius XII and Adolph Hitler basically followed orders, and that they might not have had a lot of choice in the matter. I don't wish to excuse the horrors of the Nazis, or the silence of the Pope, but I don't think they were in the driver's seat. This doesn't get them off the hook, but I think it helps to explain a lot of things. I'm presently interested in Heinrich Himmler and the Jesuit General as being the links between Gizeh Intelligence and the Vatican and Nazis. I'm still grasping at straws, and very little is really known about the so called 'Gizeh Intelligence', but it seems that is where the planning, financing, technology, and authority originated. But what the heck do I know? I wasn't there. Or was I? Who knows? It just seems that Gizeh Intelligence, the Bavarian Illuminati, the Freemasons, Teutonic Zionism, the Jesuits, and the SS somehow had control of the Vatican and the Nazi Party - or so it seems - and that the madness continued after the war, throughout the world, but especially in South America, Antarctica, and the United States. I think this thing is really, really bad, sad, and messy. Once again, I'm just scratching the surface, and I need to do a helluva lot of research before I can say anything with any authority at all. Lest anyone be too self-righteous, if some of us had been in the shoes of the bad guys and gals, we might've been just as bad as them, or worse. This post is not a negative reflection on the German People or the Faithful Members of the Roman Catholic Church. I just think all of this is a continuation of an Ancient Civil War in Heaven, which seems to be ongoing, to this very day. Hopefully, things can be resolved soon.

Ancient Technology seems to be in the middle of all of this, and I wonder where Nicola Tesla really got all of that very advanced technology? The Vatican Library, or somewhere beneath Rome? Was ancient destructive technology brought back to life, after laying dormant for thousands of years? If so, should it have continued to lay dormant. I tend to think so. I don't know which way to jump, regarding what I'm learning, but again, I really wish to move on as quickly as possible. Obviously, I want justice to be served, but let him who is without sin cast the first stone. I'm leaning toward the idea that very, very few of us are really good. Some of us might be shocked and horrified when we learn how bad we've been in previous lives. I am extremely worried about my reincarnational history. I'm disgusted with my present life, but I'm almost frantic with fear regarding my potential misdeeds in previous lives, going back into ancient Egypt, and even before that. The rabbit hole might be a bottomless pit. I think people like Eric John Phelps, Jordan Maxwell, Joseph Farrell, Richard Hoagland, Alex Collier, Alex Jones, and Jim Marrs know a helluva lot about all of this, and if Bill Cooper were still alive, he would know a helluva lot as well. I'm hoping that Bill is still alive, and that his death was faked so he could go underground. I think there are a lot of good Jesuits and Alphabet Agents who are trying to do the right thing in relation to this, as well. Anyway, when the general public starts learning the truth, I think a lot of them are going to literally go insane. Please exercise extreme caution in all of this. Firings, divorces, suicides, murders, riots, and people going completely insane - could result from some very upsetting information being spread in an irresponsible and insensitive manner. The truth should not be supressed, but it needs to be handled properly. I still like the idea of a United States of the Solar System, as being one way of dealing with the horrible situation we're in. But I'm not exactly shouting this from the top of one of the Seven Hills of Rome. There's a time and a place for everything. Right now, I can't seem to stop crying.

Consider again, this interesting Alex Jones and Jordan Maxwell clip on Teutonic Zionsim. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlCSw8euO68 Could Ancient Egypt and the Teutonic Knights be the key to a lot of things? How do the Archangels fit into all of this? Who knows what this might lead to? The True Raiders of the Lost or Stolen Ark? What was really under Jerusalem? Ancient Architecture? Ancient Music? Ancient Texts? Ancient Technology? What if the Ark of the Covenant was a UFO filled with Ancient Knowledge and Wisdom from Sirius? Fire Stolen from the Gods? Is this where the Nazi Advanced Technology orginated? Sirius A = Zionism = The Old World Order = Gabriel? Sirius B = Teutonic Zionism = The New World Order = Lucifer? This Solar System = The New Earth = The New Solar System = Michael? Did Gabriel and Lucifer steal this solar system from Michael? Have they been fighting over it and exploiting it for thousands of years? I'm not sure I really want to go down this rabbit-hole. I might not be able to stop screaming. The horror. How does the rest of the universe view what's been going on here in this solar system? Is the Orion Group a Sirius Issue? Are all of us part of the Orion Group, whether we are human, grey, or reptilian? Are our souls identical? Are our souls interdimensional reptilian? Is that why we have a reptilian portion of our brains? If all of the above were true, would the general public go insane, or would they just say 'well I'll be damned' and move on? I don't know, but 87% of us might go nuts. Danger Will Robinson! Danger!

I am particularly interested in the possibility of the origins of Teutonic Zionism occurring in the Ninth Century A.D. This could be key to the history of the world for the past twelve-hundred years. Could this be the origin of the so-called 'New World Order'? I don't know, but I think this might be extremely important. I hate to say it, but Human Sacrifice and Teutonic Zionism are of special interest to me presently, and not in a good way. This seems to open a can of worms which I'm not sure I really wish to deal with. Here is the most pertinent part of the linked article by Acharya S:

Teutonic/Zionist Connection

Despite the fact that "the Jews" of Palestine were nearly driven to extinction during the first and second centuries CE, when the Christian tale was beginning to be formulated in large part to preserve Judaism/Israel, their numbers recovered enough to continue the play for supremacy. And there was a significant number of Jews outside Palestine as well, some of whom evidently continued their ancient barbaric rites. The noted historian Edward Gibbon wrote in History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire:

From the reign of Nero to that of Antonius Pius [80-160 CE], the Jews discovered a fierce impatience of the dominion of Rome, which repeatedly broke out in the most furious massacres and insurrections. Humanity is shocked at the recital of the horrid cruelties which they committed in the cities of Egypt, of Cyprus, and of Cyrene, where they dwelt in treacherous friendship with the unsuspecting natives... In Cyrene they massacred 220,000 Greeks; in Cyprus 240,000; in Egypt, a very great multitude. Many of these victims were 'sawed asunder,' according to a precedent in which David had given the sanction of his example. The victorious Jews devoured the flesh, licked the blood, and twisted the entrails like a girdle around their bodies. (vol. 2, chap. XVI, part I)

Later, through the conversion of an entire kingdom, that of the Khazars, Judaism continued on and, as before, was not racially determinate, since the Khazars seem to have been both Caucasians and Asiatics, who subsequently became known as the Ashkenazis or Europeans Jews. According to Genesis 10, "the Ashkenazis" were not Semites but Japhethites, or Caucasians.

In the 9th century Zionists (Jews) and Teutons (Germans) allegedly collaborated against the Catholic Church and established a strange partnership linked by their respective priesthoods' secret and sickening sacrificial rituals. This group was alleged over the centuries to have engaged in human/child sacrifice, an accusation, founded or unfounded, that gave many rulers in Europe the excuse to expel "the Jews" from a number of countries, including from England by Edward I in 1290, as well as from Spain by Isabella and Ferdinando.

The rebuttal of those accused or expelled was that these rulers simply wished to seize Jewish assets. Nevertheless, what had been done in ancient times by both Jews and Gentiles, i.e., the sacrifice of both animals and humans by immolation and by slitting the neck and sprinkling the blood upon the congregation, was alleged to be continuing in the priesthoods of the Teutons and the Zionists. The Zionist elite, in fact, had been accused many times over the centuries of using the "common Jews" as well as "Christian children" as pawns and sacrificial victims in its quest for world domination, a quest outlined in the Old Testament, the Jewish Apocrypha and the Talmud. That the Israelite priesthood used its "own people" as sacrificial victims is admitted in the Old Testament, in which not only foreigners but "the Jews" are slaughtered by their handlers to propitiate the angry, jealous Yahweh (Ezekiel 9, et al.).

There seems to be a sort of "Praying Warrior" motif, where blood is shed in religious-ritual (symbolically or literally) and in warfare and persecution. I get the picture of warriors dressed in uniforms or armor, participating in religious-rituals (such as the Mass) which involve human-sacrifice (symbolically or literally) - and then going into battle, where they literally shed the blood of human-beings. What is it with "Blood and Death"? The core of Judeo-Christianity seems to involve "Blood, Death, and Sacrifice". Is this simply a reflection of the evolution of primitive humanity, or are we dealing with the appeasement of very-real, and very-cruel, vengeful-deities? Perhaps Jonathan Edwards wasn't too far off when he delivered the fiery sermon, 'Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God'. I once heard a Protestant Minister say that very few knew how much it really cost to keep light on the Earth. He didn't elaborate, but I'm beginning to fear the worst, concerning the Gods and Goddesses of Eden.

Consider the possible relationships between Sirius, Aldebaran, the Creation of Male and Female Human Physicality, the Original Sin, the Unpardonable Sin, Ancient Technology and Wisdom, Atlantis, Babylon, Egypt, Greece, Rome, Israel, Christians, Catholics, Zionists, Teutonic Zionists, Teutonic Knights, Jesuits, Masons, Bavarian Illuminati, Rothschilds, Windsors, Rockefellers, Monarchy, Papacy, SS, Nazis, Gizeh Intelligence, Secret Government, Osiris, Isis, Horus, Mithras, Jesus, Gabriel, Michael, Lucifer, Amen Ra, Reptilians, Greys, Dracs, Hybrids, the Old World Order, the New World Order, Earth-Changes, and Armageddon.

I have no animosity in all of this. I might even be engaging in some sort of a sub-conscious self-incrimination. I simply wish to learn the truth of our existence, in a rather passive and admittedly unscholarly manner. A lot of this in intuitive and speculative, for me anyway, so consider all of this with a sea of salt.

The following letter was supposed to have been written by Eric John Phelps, but I don't know this for certain, but it certainly connects some dots. Eric is an amazing researcher and speaker. He has more courage and brains than I can even imagine. http://crashrecovery.org/teutonic/eric-on-teutonic-knights.html

Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 00:33:45 -0500
From: Eric Jon Phelps
To: Robert M. Stockmann
Cc: skolnick@ameritech.net, cloak.dagger@gmail.com
Subject: Re: a new conspiracy has been shown up

Dear Robert,

Thank you for the thought regarding the Teutonic Knights. As you must
know, the German Teutonic Knights, with uniforms being identical in their
colors with Bavarian Roman Catholic Heinrich Himmler's SS, "Order of the
Death's Head" (black trimmed with silver), were the Pope's crusaders led
by Emperor Frederick Barbarossa. The Teutonic Knights always executed
the will of its master in Rome and were never anti-Rome, or truly
Protestant. Their rule was Augustinian; Himmler's rule was that of the
Jesuits.

To assert that the German Teutonic Knights descended into the hands of
the Protestant Lutheran Prussians is a popish error. We must remember
that the Knights were formally disbanded by Napoleon, the Roman Catholic
Masonic Jesuit-advised Avenger for the Order, in 1806; they were then
revived under the name of the New Templars by occult Freemason George
Lanz in 1912, that former Roman Catholic priest who met Hitler at Lambach
Abbey when Hitler was a boy; the priest who openly left the priesthood,
openly became a Lutheran, openly turned anti-Jesuit, yet remaining a
Jesuit Temporal Coadjutor in accordance with the bloody Jesuit Oath.

After the death of Freemason List, Freemason Lanz was the immediate
influence upon both Hitler and Himmler, those Roman Catholic Jesuit
Temporal Coadjutors who destroyed Protestant Prussia via their
connections with Jesuit-trained Joseph Stalin and his Jesuit-ruled
"headhunters," the NKVD. Yes, the head of the NKVD and also a Lubyanka
General was the Jesuit, who aided Stalin in the murder of his (the
Jesuit's) Jewish wife, Alexander N. Poskrebyshev.

The Order then carried out the designs of Lanz with regard to the Jews of
Europe and Western Russia, along with the mass-murder of 20 million
"heretic" Orthodox Russian Christians---aided by Stalin himself. After
the war Himmler and his Teutonic Knights were saved by Allied
Intelligence---the British SIS and the American OSS, both led by the
Knights of Malta---via Pope Pius XII's Vatican Ratlines.

Meanwhile, the apostate Lutheran morphine drug addict and non-member of
the Teutonic SS, Prussian Herman Goering, paid with his life for
resisting Hitler's all-powerful Jesuit secretary, Martin Bormann. But
the obedient ex-Lutheran Bormann, disguised as a Jesuit, escaped to South
America via Bishop Hudal's Ratline. His, Adolf Martin, son became a
Jesuit "missionary" to the Congo.

In conclusion, the Jesuit Order rules the Papacy; it rules all secret
societies especially the Luciferian Masonic orders. It ruled Himmler and
his Teutonic Knights of the SS. Today, it rules the Knights of Malta
governing the CIA to the end that the NWO will be centered in that
Antichrist in Rome---the Pope who pretends to be Jesus Christ in the
flesh, the priest of Jerusalem---Melchisedec. To this no Bible-believing
Protestant or Baptist Calvinist would ever submit.

I trust this is helpful.

Sincerely in Faith,

Brother Eric

There's more. A lot more. http://crashrecovery.org/teutonic/eric-on-teutonic-knights.html

To get a good understanding about who the Teutonic Knights actually were since the early mideaval ages, checkout Chapter I "The Teutonic Knights and Germany" inside John Beaty's "Iron Curtain Over America". In short, throughout history, the German Teutonic Knights were the only Chivalric Order who could withstand the Pagan Barbarian's from far east Europe, preventing Germany and other European nation states falling down into a Sodom and Gomorrah alike "Civilization".

The author of The Iron Curtain Over America has written, or collaborated on, a dozen books. His texts have been used in more than seven hundred colleges and universities, and his historical novel, Swords in the Dawn, published originally in New York, had London and Australian editions, and was adopted for state-wide use in the public schools of Texas. His education (M.A., University of Virginia; Ph.D., Columbia University; post-graduate study, University of Montpellier, France), his travel in Europe and Asia, and his five years with the Military Intelligence Service in World War II rounded out the background for the reading and research (1946-1951) which resulted in "The Iron Curtain Over America".

The Pope [Urban II, at Clermont, France, on November 26, 1095] crossed
the Alps from schism-torn Italy and, Frenchman himself, stirred the
people of France as he rode among them. In the chapel at Clermont, he
first swayed the men of the church who had answered his summons to the
meeting; then, surrounded by cardinals and mail-clad knights on a
golden-canopied platform in a field by the church, he addressed the
multitude:

 You are girded knights, but you are arrogant with pride. You
 turn upon your brothers with fury, cutting down one the other.
 Is this the service of Christ? ... Come forward to the defense
 of Christ.

The great Pope gave his eager audience some pertinent and inspiring
texts from the recorded words of Jesus Christ:

 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there
 am I in the midst of them.
   (The Gospel According to Saint Matthew, Chapter XVIII, Verse 20)

 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or
 sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands,
 for my namees sake, shall receive a hundredfold, and shall
 inherit everlasting life.
   (Saint Matthew, Chapter XIX, Verse 29)

To the words of the Saviour, the Pope added his own specific promise:

 Set forth then upon the way to the Holy Sepulcher ... and fear
 not. Your possessions here will be safeguarded, and you will
 despoil the enemy of greater treasures. Do not fear death, where
 Christ laid down His life for you. If any should lose their
 lives, even on the way thither, by sea or land, or in strife
 with the pagans, their sins will be requited them. I grant this
 to all who go, by the power vested in me by God.
   (Harold Lamb, op. cit., p. 42).

Through the long winter, men scanned their supplies, hammered out
weapons and armor, and dreamed dreams of their holy mission. In the
summer that followed, they "started out on what they called the voyage
of God" (Harold Lamb, op. cit., p. VII) As they faced East they shouted
on plains and in mountain valleys, "God wills it."

The third body of medieval military-religious Crusaders was the
Knighthood of the Teutonic Order. This organization was founded as a
hospital in the winter of 1190-91 -- according to tradition, on a small
ship which had been pulled ashore near Acre.  Its services came to be
so highly regarded that in March, 1198, "the great men of the army and
the [Latin] Kingdom raised the brethren of the German Hospital of St.
Mary to the rank of an Order of Knights" (Encyc. Brit., Vol. XXI, pp.
983-984). Soon, however, the Order found that "its true work lay on the
Eastern frontiers of Germany" (Encyc. Brit., Vol. XXI, p. 894). Invited
by a Christian Polish Prince (1226) to help against the still
unconverted Prussians, a body of knights sailed down the Vistula
establishing blockhouses and pushed eastward to found Koenigsburg in
1255. In 1274, a castle was established at Marienburg and in 1309 the
headquarters of the Grand Master was transferred (Encyc. Brit., Vol.
XIV, p. 886) from Venice to this remote border city on the Nojat River,
an eastern outlet of the Vistula (The Rise of Brandenburg-Prussia to
1786, by Sidney Bradshaw Fay, Henry Holt and Company, New York, 1937).

 It was to the Teutonic Order that the Knight of Chaucers famous
Canterbury Tales belonged (Sections from Chaucer, edited by Clarence
Griffin Child, D. C. Heath & Co., Boston, 1912, p. 150). Chauceras
lines (prologue to the Canterbury Tales, II., 52- 53):

 Ful ofte tyme he hadde the bord bigonne
 Aboven alle naciouns in Pruce

tell us that this Knight occupied the seat of Grand Master, presumably
at the capital, Marienburg, and presided over Knights from the various
nations assembled in "Puce" (Prussia) to hold the pagan East at bay. In
his military-religious capacity Chaucer's Knight "fought for our faith"
in fifteen battles, including those in Lithuania and in Russia
(Prologue, II., 54-63).
The Teutonic Knights soon drove eastward, or converted to Christianity,
the sparsely settled native Prussian people, and assumed sovereignty
over East Prussia. They encouraged the immigration of German families
of farmers and artisans, and their domain on the south shore of the
Baltic became a self-contained German state, outside the Holy Roman
Empire. The boundaries varied, at one time reaching the Gulf of Finland
(see Historical Atlas, by William R. Shepherd, Henry Holt and Company,
New York, 1911, maps 77, 79, 87, 99, 119). "The hundred years from 1309
to 1409 were the Golden Age of the Teutonic Knights.  Young nobles from
all over Europe found no greater honor than to come out and fight under
their banner and be knighted by their Grand Master" (Fay, op. cit., pp.
32-33). As the years passed, the function of the Teutonic Knights as
defenders, or potential defenders, of the Christian West remained
unchanged.

As I was reading Life of Christ by Fulton Sheen, I had a 'vision' of St. Patrick's Cathedral in the early 1960's, with a televised service, featuring the 1928 Book of Common Prayer -- Sacred Classical Music -- and Fulton Sheen preaching homilies taken directly from his Life of Christ(1958) -- combined with the best aspects of the relatively new Garden Grove Community Church with Robert H. Schuller!!!! This 'Ecumenical Hollywood Service' would've supplemented the pre-existing modus operandi of St. Patrick's Cathedral -- in complete harmony with the Vatican!!! If THAT had been done --- would the Second Vatican Council and the Novus Ordo Mass have really been necessary??? Put those stones down!!! This is just one more mind game!!! There's a reason why some people get to wear fancy robes in ornate cathedrals -- and why some people have to sit in their old car, wearing holey blue jeans, and using their entry-level laptop with public internet!!! Read the introduction to the new edition of Life of Christ . I have read it repeatedly -- and it always brings tears to my eyes.

'On October 3, 1979, Pope John Paul II was making his first papal visit to the United States. He came to New York City and was met by Terence Cardinal Cooke, Archbishop of New York, who escorted the Pope into St. Patrick's Cathedral. When the Holy Father reached the sanctuary, he paused and looked around. Then he turned to Cardinal Cooke and asked, "Where is Archbishop Sheen?" The Cardinal had to send his secretary to find the Archbishop, who was toward the back of the cathedral in the Mary Chapel. The Holy Father waited motionlessly. The people were wondering what was happening to cause this apparent delay. Finally, Archbishop Sheen emerged from the chapel. When the people realized that the Pope had been waiting for the Archbishop, they stood up and gave Archbishop Sheen a seven-minute standing ovation. Here was the man, after all, who had been the voice of the Catholic Church in America for some thirty years. Then Pope John Paul II went over and embraced the Archbishop, now quite frail with age and sickness. The Holy Father said to him: "You have written and spoken well of the Lord Jesus! You have been a loyal son of the Church." These powerful words certainly apply to Archbishop Sheen's Life of Christ.' -- Father Andrew Apostoli, C.F.R. -- Vice-Postulator, Cause of Canonization of Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen.

BTW -- has anyone speculated regarding what the church and world would be like if the First and Second Vatican Councils had never taken place??!! What if the Anglican Communion were considered to be the Experimental Catholic Church -- where new ideas might be explored on a smaller scale prior to implementing them on a larger scale??!! Consider Innovative-Continuity. What if the 'Faithful' don't REALLY know WHY they are 'Faithful'??!! What if the 'Protestants' don't REALLY know WHAT and WHY they are 'Protesting'??!! I'm probably neither Protestant or Catholic -- although I am very interested in both perspectives. Perhaps ALL of us are deluded with Conflicting-Delusions!! Still, I think that Top Catholics know more about what's REALLY going on in this solar system than just about anyone else -- other than the Queen of Heaven and God of This World!! I know that makes a lot of you very angry -- but I am NOT attempting to win a Popularity-Contest -- and I am NOT looking for a Job (even one on the Dark-Side of the Moon). I simply wish to help turn this Purgatory in a Paradise. Consider these interesting videos:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulton_J._Sheen Fulton John Sheen (born Peter John Sheen, May 8, 1895 – December 9, 1979) was an American archbishop of the Roman Catholic Church known for his preaching and especially his work on television and radio. His cause for canonization for sainthood was officially opened in 2002. In June 2012, Pope Benedict XVI officially recognized a decree from the Congregation for the Causes of Saints stating that he lived a life of "heroic virtues" – a major step towards beatification – so he is now referred to as "Venerable".[2][3]

Ordained a priest of the Diocese of Peoria in 1919,[1] Sheen quickly became a renowned theologian, earning the Cardinal Mercier Prize for International Philosophy in 1923. He went on to teach theology and philosophy as well as acting as a parish priest before being appointed Auxiliary Bishop of the Archdiocese of New York in 1951. He held this position until 1966 when he was made the Bishop of Rochester from October 21, 1966 to October 6, 1969, when he resigned[4] and was made the Archbishop of the Titular See of Newport, Wales.

For 20 years he hosted the night-time radio program The Catholic Hour (1930–1950) before moving to television and presenting Life Is Worth Living (1951–1957). Sheen's final presenting role was on the syndicated The Fulton Sheen Program (1961–1968) with a format very similar to that of the earlier Life is Worth Living show. For this work, Sheen twice won an Emmy Award for Most Outstanding Television Personality, the only personality appearing on the DuMont Network ever to win a major Emmy award.[clarification needed] Starting in 2009, his shows were being re-broadcast on the EWTN and the Trinity Broadcasting Network's Church Channel cable networks.[5] Due to his contribution to televised preaching Sheen is often referred to as one of the first televangelists.[6][7]

Sheen was born in El Paso, Illinois, the oldest of four sons of Newton and Delia. Though he was known as Fulton, his mother's maiden name, he was baptized as Peter John Sheen.[8][1] As an infant, Sheen contracted tuberculosis.[9] After the family moved to nearby Peoria, Illinois, Sheen's first role in the Church was as an altar boy at St. Mary's Cathedral.[1][8]

Education

After earning high school valedictorian honors at Spalding Institute in Peoria in 1913, Sheen was educated at St. Viator College in Bourbonnais, Illinois, attended Saint Paul Seminary in Minnesota before his ordination on September 20, 1919,[1] then followed that with further studies at The Catholic University of America in Washington, D.C..[8][10] His youthful appearance was still evident on one occasion when a local priest asked Sheen to assist as altar boy during the celebration of the Mass.[8]

Sheen earned a doctorate in philosophy at the Catholic University of Leuven in Belgium in 1923.[10] While there, he became the first American ever to win the Cardinal Mercier award for the best philosophical treatise.[8] In 1924 Sheen pursued further studies in Rome earning a Sacred Theology Doctorate at the Pontificium Collegium Internationale Angelicum, the future Pontifical University of Saint Thomas Aquinas, Angelicum.[11]

Priestly life

Sheen was for a year assistant to the pastor at St. Patrick's Church, Soho Square in London while teaching theology at St. Edmund's College, Ware, where he met Ronald Knox. Although Oxford and Columbia wanted him to teach philosophy, in 1926 Bishop Edmund Dunne of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Peoria, Illinois asked Sheen to take over St. Patrick's Parish. After nine months, Dunne returned him to Catholic University, where he taught philosophy until 1950.[12][8]

In 1929, Sheen gave a speech at the National Catholic Educational Association. He encouraged teachers to "educate for a Catholic Renaissance" in the United States. Sheen was hoping that Catholics would become more influential in their country through education, which would help attract others to the faith. He believed that Catholics should "integrate" their faith into the rest of their daily life.[13]

He was consecrated a bishop on June 11, 1951,[14] and served as an Auxiliary Bishop of the Archdiocese of New York from 1951 to 1965. The Principal Consecrator was the Discalced Carmelite Cardinal Adeodato Giovanni Piazza, the Cardinal-Bishop of Sabina e Poggio Mirteto and the Secretary of the Sacred Consistorial Congregation (what is today the Congregation for Bishops). The Principal Co-Consecrators were Archbishop Leone Giovanni Battista Nigris, Titular Archbishop of Philippi and the Secretary of the Congregation for the Propagation of the Faith (what is today the Congregation for the Evangelization of Peoples); and Archbishop Martin John O'Connor, Titular Archbishop of Laodicea in Syria and President Emeritus of the Pontifical Council for Social Communications.

Media career

Radio

A popular instructor, Sheen wrote the first of 73 books in 1925, and in 1930 began a weekly Sunday night radio broadcast, The Catholic Hour.[10] Sheen called WWII not only a political struggle, but also a "theological one." He referred to Hitler as an example of the "Anti-Christ."[15] Two decades later, the broadcast had a weekly listening audience of four million people. Time referred to him in 1946 as "the golden-voiced Msgr. Fulton J. Sheen, U.S. Catholicism's famed proselytizer" and reported that his radio broadcast received 3,000–6,000 letters weekly from listeners.[16] During the middle of this era, he conducted the first religious service broadcast on the new medium of television, putting in motion a new avenue for his religious pursuits.

Television

In 1951 he began a weekly television program on the DuMont Television Network titled Life Is Worth Living. Filmed at the Adelphi Theatre in New York City, the program consisted of the unpaid Sheen simply speaking in front of a live audience without a script or cue cards, occasionally using a chalkboard.

The show, scheduled in a graveyard slot on Tuesday nights at 8:00 p.m., was not expected to challenge the ratings giants Milton Berle and Frank Sinatra, but did surprisingly well. Berle joked, "He uses old material, too", and observed that "[i]f I'm going to be eased off the top by anyone, it's better that I lose to the One for whom Bishop Sheen is speaking."[8] Sheen responded in jest that people should start calling him "Uncle Fultie".[17] Life and Time magazine ran feature stories on Bishop Sheen. The number of stations carrying Life Is Worth Living jumped from three to fifteen in less than two months. There was fan mail that flowed in at a rate of 8,500 letters per week. There were four times as many requests for tickets than could be fulfilled. Admiral, the sponsor, paid the production costs in return for a one minute commercial at the opening of the show and another minute at the close.[18] In 1952, Sheen won an Emmy Award for his efforts,[19] accepting the acknowledgment by saying, "I feel it is time I pay tribute to my four writers—Matthew, Mark, Luke and John." Time called him "the first 'televangelist'", and the Archdiocese of New York could not meet the demand for tickets.[8]

One of his best-remembered presentations came in February 1953, when he forcefully denounced the Soviet regime of Joseph Stalin. Sheen gave a dramatic reading of the burial scene from Shakespeare's Julius Caesar, substituting the names of Caesar, Cassius, Mark Antony, and Brutus with those of prominent Soviet leaders Stalin, Lavrenty Beria, Georgy Malenkov, and Andrey Vyshinsky. He concluded by saying, "Stalin must one day meet his judgment." The dictator suffered a stroke a few days later and died within a week.[20]

The show ran until 1957, drawing as many as 30 million people on a weekly basis. In 1958, Sheen became national director of the Society for the Propagation of the Faith, serving for eight years before being appointed Bishop of Rochester, New York, on October 26, 1966. He also hosted a nationally-syndicated series, The Fulton Sheen Program, from 1961 to 1968 (first in black and white and then in color). The format of this series was essentially the same as Life Is Worth Living.

International Cassette Tape Ministry

In September 1974, the Archbishop of Washington asked Sheen to be the speaker for a retreat for diocesan priests at the Loyola Retreat House[21] in Faulkner, Maryland. This was recorded on reel-to-reel tape, state of the art at the time. [22]

Sheen requested that the recorded talks be produced for distribution. This was the first production of what would become a worldwide cassette tape ministry called Ministr-O-Media, a nonprofit company that operated on the grounds of St. Joseph’s Parish. The retreat album was titled, Renewal and Reconciliation, and included nine 60-minute audio tapes. [23]

For several years, Ministr-O-Media was one of the largest distributors of non-musical tapes in the United States.[citation needed] The operation started in the St. Joseph’s rectory dining room and eventually grew into five temporary classrooms on the church property, employing nine parishioners full-time, and at one point 18 workers in all. At its height, Ministr-O-Media staff and volunteers were packaging and mailing 500 albums a week, and in ten years, shipped a million tapes to clients worldwide. The effort generated income of $15,000 per week.[citation needed]

St. Joseph’s Parish was targeted to be closed due to lack of funding for repairs before the chance connection between Sheen and Brady.[citation needed] The parish, founded in 1763, owed its continued existence to the intervention of Sheen and the tape ministry that rebuilt the church, in collaboration with a dedicated workforce of parish volunteers.[citation needed]

At Sheen’s direction, most of the tape ministry profits were turned over to the pope’s worldwide missionary effort, the Society for the Propagation of the Faith. In its decade of existence, Ministr-O-Media routed over a quarter million U.S. dollars to this charity.[citation needed]

Evangelization

Sheen was credited with helping convert a number of notable figures to the Catholic faith, including agnostic writer Heywood Broun, politician Clare Boothe Luce, automaker Henry Ford II, Communist writer Louis F. Budenz, theatrical designer Jo Mielziner, violinist and composer Fritz Kreisler, and actress Virginia Mayo. Each conversion process took an average of 25 hours of lessons, and reportedly more than 95% of his students in private instruction were baptized.[8]

Later years

While serving in Rochester, he created the Sheen Ecumenical Housing Foundation, which survives to this day. He also spent some of his energy on political activities, such as his denunciation of the Vietnam War in late July 1967.[24] On Ash Wednesday in 1967, Sheen decided to give St. Bridget’s Parish building to the federal Housing and Urban Development program. Sheen wanted to let the government use it for African-Americans. There was a protest, since Sheen acted on his own accord. The pastor disagreed, saying that “There is enough empty property around without taking down the church and the school.” The deal fell through.[25]

On October 15, 1969, one month after celebrating his 50th anniversary as a priest, Sheen resigned from his position and was then appointed Archbishop of the Titular See of Newport (Wales) by Pope Paul VI. This ceremonial position allowed Sheen to continue his extensive writing. Archbishop Sheen wrote 73 books and numerous articles and columns.[19]

On October 2, 1979, two months before Sheen's death, Pope John Paul II visited St. Patrick's Cathedral in New York City and embraced Sheen, saying, "You have written and spoken well of the Lord Jesus Christ. You are a loyal son of the Church."

Death and legacy

Sheen died of heart disease on December 9, 1979, having previously had open-heart surgery at Lenox Hill Hospital.[19] He is interred in the crypt of St. Patrick's Cathedral, near the deceased Archbishops of New York. The official repository of Sheen's papers, television programs, and other materials is at St. Bernard's School of Theology and Ministry in Rochester, New York.[26]

Joseph Campanella introduces the re-runs of Sheen's various programs that are aired on EWTN. Reruns are also aired on Trinity Broadcasting Network. In addition to his television appearances, Archbishop Sheen can also be heard on Relevant Radio.

Cause for canonization

The Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen Foundation was formed in 1998 by Gregory J. Ladd and Lawrence F. Hickey to make known the life of the archbishop. The foundation approached Cardinal John O'Connor of the Archdiocese of New York for permission to commence the process of for cause, which was under the authority of the Diocese of Peoria.[5]

In 2002, Sheen's Cause for Canonization as a saint was officially opened, and from then on he was referred to as a "Servant of God".

On February 2, 2008, the archives of Sheen were sealed at a ceremony during a special Mass at the Cathedral of Saint Mary of the Immaculate Conception in Peoria, Illinois, where the diocese was sponsoring his canonization.[19]

In November 2010, it was announced that it was expected that the Archdiocese of New York would likely take over his cause for canonization upon an unsettled debate concerning the return of Sheen's remains to the Diocese of Peoria.[27]

In 2009, the diocesan phase of the investigation came to an end, and the records were sent to the Congregation for the Causes of Saints at the Vatican in Rome.

On June 28, 2012, the Vatican announced[28] officially that it had recognized Sheen's life as one of "heroic virtue". This is a major step towards an eventual beatification. From this moment on, Sheen is styled "Venerable Servant of God".

According to Catholic News Service and The Catholic Post (the official newspaper of the Peoria Diocese), the case of a boy who as an infant had no discernible pulse for 61 minutes (who was about to be declared dead at OSF Saint Francis Medical Center in Peoria, Illinois, as a stillborn infant) and yet allegedly still lived to be healthy – without physical or mental impairment – is in the preliminary stages of being investigated as the possible miracle needed for Archbishop Sheen's potential beatification. If the miracle is approved at the diocesan level, and then by the Congregation for the Causes of Saints at the Vatican (being both medically unexplainable and directly attributable theologically to Sheen's intercession according to expert panels in both subject areas), then beatification may proceed. Another such miracle would be required for him to be considered for canonization as a saint. On Wednesday, September 7, 2011, a tribunal of inquiry was sworn in to investigate the alleged healing. During a special Mass at 10:30 am on Sunday, December 11, 2011, at St. Mary's Cathedral in Peoria, the documentation gathered by the tribunal over nearly three months will be boxed and sealed. It will then be shipped to the Vatican for consideration by the Congregation for the Causes of Saints, concluding the diocesan tribunal's work- which makes up much of the diocese's work on the project.[29]

On Sunday, September 9, 2012, a Mass of Thanksgiving and banquet was held at St. Mary's Cathedral and the Spalding Pastoral Center in celebration of the advancement of Archbishop Sheen's cause, with Bishop Daniel R. Jenky, C.S.C., and his predecessor as Bishop of Peoria, Newark Archbishop John J. Myers (celebrating his 25th anniversary of episcopal ordination), in attendance, along with many of the clergy and religious of the Diocese and from around the country. Copies of the "Positio", or the book detailing the documentation behind his cause, were presented to Archbishop Myers, to representatives of the Church in other states, and to a delegate from the Archdiocese of Chicago, and to other patrons and supporters of his cause. According to statements made during the service by clergy connected to the Cause, the medical and theological study of the potential miracles needed for his beatification and canonization is currently well underway and at least one is seriously being considered. Due to new rules under Pope Benedict XVI stating that a beatification should occur locally, ideally in the candidate's home Diocese (which is usually but not always the Diocese that sponsors the Cause), it would likely take place in Peoria, the first there. Should he be beatified and canonized, he would be among a select few natives of the U.S. to hold that distinction.[30][31][32]

Selected books authored

God and Intelligence in Modern Philosophy (1925, Longmans, Green and Co.)
The Seven Last Words (1933, The Century Co.)
Philosophy of Science (1934, Bruce Publishing Co.)
The Eternal Galilean (1934, Appleton-Century-Crofts)
Calvary and the Mass (1936, P. J. Kenedy & Sons)
The Cross and the Beatitudes (1937, P. J. Kenedy & Sons)
Seven Words of Jesus and Mary (1945, P. J. Kenedy & Sons)
Communism and the Conscience of the West (1948, Bobbs-Merrill)
Peace of Soul (1949, McGraw–Hill)[33]
Three to Get Married (1951, Appleton-Century-Crofts)
The World's First Love (1952, McGraw-Hill)
Life Is Worth Living Series 1–5 (1953–1957, McGraw–Hill)
Way to Happiness (1953, Maco Magazine)
Way to Inner Peace (1955, Garden City Books)
Life of Christ (1958, McGraw–Hill)
Missions and the World Crisis (1963, Bruce Publishing Co.)
The Power of Love (1965, Simon & Schuster)
Footprints in a Darkened Forest (1967, Meredith Press)
Lenten and Easter Inspirations (1967, Maco Ecumenical Books)
Treasure in Clay: The Autobiography of Fulton J. Sheen (1980, Doubleday & Co.)

Further reading

Timothy H. Sherwood (2010), The Preaching of Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen: The Gospel Meets the Cold War. Lexington Books. 137 p.
Reeves, Thomas C. (2001), America’s Bishop. The Life and Times of Fulton J. Sheen. Encounter Books, San Francisco.
Irvin D. S. Winsboro, Michael Epple, "Religion, Culture, and the Cold War: Bishop Fulton J. Sheen and America's Anti-Communist Crusade of the 1950s," Historian, 71,2 (2009), 209–233.
An Enduring Journey of Faith: St. Joseph's Parish, Pomfret, Maryland, (2012 by St. Joseph's Church, Pomfret, MD, Harambee Productions, Inc. White Plains, MD 150 p)

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Patrick%27s_Cathedral,_New_York The Cathedral of St. Patrick (commonly called St. Patrick's Cathedral) is a decorated Neo-Gothic-style Roman Catholic cathedral church in the United States and a prominent landmark of New York City. It is the seat of the archbishop of the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of New York, and a parish church, located on the east side of Fifth Avenue between 50th and 51st Streets in midtown Manhattan, New York City, New York, directly across the street from Rockefeller Center and specifically facing the Atlas statue.

According to Catholic News Service (CNS) and the Catholic News Agency (CNA), Cardinal Timothy Michael Dolan, the incumbent Archbishop of New York, announced before reviewing the city's parade on St. Patrick's Day 2012 that the Cathedral would undergo a massive five-year, three-phase, $175 million renovation because of crumbling bricks, faulty heating, and acid rain and pollution that has eaten away at the Tuckahoe marble of the 135-year-old church. Early donors and grants from the Archdiocese and the Trustees of the Cathedral have already raised $45 million for the first phase, which began in late March. This involves repairing, restoring, and cleaning the soot-covered exterior, and an extensive cleaning of the outside and inside surfaces of the stained glass windows. The Cathedral will remain open during the renovations and work will pause during Masses, according to the Cathedral's rector, Monsignor Robert T. Ritchie.[3][4]

History

Purchase of the property

The land on which the present cathedral sits, sold by the city's aldermen in 1799 at a quit-rent, was purchased at auction for unpaid taxes in November 1828 by Francis Cooper, who conveyed it to the trustees of St. Peter's Church in the city that still lay far to the south.[5] The trustees intended it for a Catholic burial ground. The site at 50th Street and Fifth Avenue contained a "fine old house," which was then fitted with a chapel of St. Ignatius.[6] The school closed in 1814 and the Jesuits sold the lot to the diocese. In 1813, the diocese gave use of the property to Dom Augustin LeStrange, abbot of a community of Trappists (from the original monastery of La Trappe) who came to America fleeing persecution by French authorities. In addition to a small monastic community, they also looked after some thirty-three orphans. With the downfall of Napoleon in that year, the Trappists returned to France in 1815, abandoning the property. The property at this point was designated for a future cemetery. The neighboring orphanage was maintained by the diocese into the late nineteenth century. Some of the Trappists resettled to Canada and eventually founded St. Joseph's Abbey in Spencer, Massachusetts.[7]

Bishop DuBois reopened the chapel in 1840 for Catholics employed at the Deaf and Dumb Asylum and in the general neighborhood.[6] A modest frame church was built for the parish of St. John the Evangelist and dedicated May 9, 1841 by the Rev. John Hughes, administrator of the diocese. Tickets were sold to the dedication to ease the parish's debt level, managed by a lay Board of Trustees, but to no avail and the property mortgage was finally foreclosed on and the church sold at auction in 1844.[6] The stress is said to have contributed to the death that year of the church's pastor, the Rev. Felix Larkin.[6] The experience was blamed on the management of the trustees and this incident is said to have played a significant role in the abolishment of the lay trusteeship, which occurred shortly thereafter.[6] The young and energetic Rev. Michael A. Curran was appointed to raise funds for the devastated parish, and shortly fitted up an old college hall as a temporary church.[6] Fr. Curran continued raising funds to buy back the church during the Great Famine in Ireland, eventually succeeding and taking the deed in his own name.[6] "The site of St. Patrick's Cathedral, hence, came to the Church through the labors of this young priest and the self-denial of his countrymen and not by the fight of the city."[6] The debt was finally all paid for by 1853 when it was clear a large church was needed and the site was selected as appropriate for the new cathedral.[6]

Construction of the cathedral

The Diocese of New York, created in 1808, was made an archdiocese by Pope Pius IX on July 19, 1850. In 1853, Archbishop John Joseph Hughes announced his intention to erect a new cathedral to replace the Old Saint Patrick's Cathedral in downtown Manhattan. The new cathedral was designed by James Renwick, Jr. in the Gothic Revival style. On August 15, 1858, the cornerstone was laid, just south of the diocese's orphanage. At that time, present-day midtown Manhattan was far north of the populous areas of New York City.[8]

Work was begun in 1858 but was halted during the Civil War and resumed in 1865. The cathedral was completed in 1878 and dedicated on May 25, 1879, its huge proportions dominating the midtown of that time. The archbishop's house and rectory were added from 1882 to 1884, and an adjacent school (no longer in existence) opened in 1882.[9] The spires were added in 1888, and an addition on the east, including a Lady chapel, designed by Charles T. Mathews, was begun in 1900.[10] The Lady Chapel's stained-glass windows were made between 1912 and 1930 by English stained glass artist and designer Paul Vincent Woodroffe.[11] In 1927 and 1931, the cathedral was renovated, which included enlarging the sanctuary and installing the great organ.[12] The cathedral and associated buildings were declared a National Historic Landmark in 1976.[2][13][14]

Restoration

The cathedral is undergoing a huge restoration that will last a planned 3 years at a cost of $177 million.[15]

Architectural features

The cathedral, which can accommodate 2,200 people, is built of brick clad in marble, quarried in Massachusetts and New York. It takes up a whole city block, between 50th and 51st streets, Madison Avenue and Fifth Avenue. At the transepts it is 174 feet wide and 332 feet long. The spires rise 330 feet (100 meters) from street level. The slate for the roof came from Monson, Maine.[11]

Stained glass

The windows were made by artists in Boston, Massachusetts and European artists from Chartres, France Birmingham, England. Charles Connick created the rose window.[11]

Altar

The Roman artist Paolo Medici designed the Saint Elizabeth altar. The Saint John Baptist de la Salle altar, one of the few original side-chapel altars, was sculpted by Dominic Borgia. The Papal bull is featured in the adjoining stained-glass window. Tiffany & Co. designed the Saint Louis and the Saint Michael altar.[11]

In the late 1930s and early 1940s, there was a renovation of the cathedral's main altar area under the guidance of Archbishop Francis Spellman, then cardinal. The previous high altar and reredos were removed and are now located at Spellman's alma mater, Fordham University, in the University Church. The new items include the sanctuary bronze baldachin and the rose stained glass window. The altar was further renovated in the 1980s, under the direction of Cardinal John Joseph O'Connor. To be more visible to the congregation, a stone altar was built from sections of the side altars and added to the middle of the sanctuary.[11]

Art works

The Pietà, sculpted by William Ordway Partridge, is three times larger than Michelangelo's Pietà. The cathedral's Stations of the Cross won a 1893 artistry prize at Chicago's World's Columbian Exposition. Commemorating his visit to the city in 1979, Pope John Paul II bust is located in the rear of the cathedral.[11]

Organs

The original pipe organs, built by George Jardine & Son in the 19th century, have been replaced. The chancel organ, in the north ambulatory, was made by the St. Louis, Missouri, firm of George Kilgen & Son, and installed in 1928; it has 3,920 pipes. The grand gallery organ, by the same company, was installed in 1930, and has 5,918 pipes.[16]

The combined organs, totaling 177 stops and 9,838 pipes, can be played from either of two five-manual consoles installed in the early 1990s to replace the original Kilgen consoles.

Burials and funeral Masses

Located underneath the high altar is a crypt in which notable Catholic figures that served the Archdiocese are entombed. They include:

The eight past deceased Archbishops of New York:
John Joseph Hughes (interred 1883)
John Cardinal McCloskey (interred 1885)
Michael Augustine Corrigan (interred 1902)
John Murphy Cardinal Farley (interred 1918)
Patrick Joseph Cardinal Hayes (interred 1938)
Francis Joseph Cardinal Spellman (interred 1967)
Terence James Cardinal Cooke (interred 1983)
John Joseph Cardinal O'Connor (interred 2000)

Other interments:
Michael J. Lavelle (Cathedral Rector and Vicar General; interred 1939)
Joseph F. Flannelly (Auxiliary Bishop, 1948–1969; interred 1973)
Fulton J. Sheen (Auxiliary Bishop, 1951–1965, later bishop of Rochester; interred 1979)
John Maguire (Coadjutor Archbishop, 1965–1980; interred 1989)
Pierre Toussaint (interred 1990)

In the above list, Cardinal O'Connor declared Pierre Toussaint and Cardinal Cooke to be servants of God, a step in process of being declared a saint of the Catholic Church. Toussaint was declared venerable in 1996 by Pope John Paul II and Archbishop Sheen was declared venerable on June 28, 2012.

Four of the Cardinals' galeros (those of Cardinals McCloskey, Farley, Hayes, and Spellman) are located high above the crypt at the back of the sanctuary. Cardinal Spellman's galero was also worn by Pope Pius XII (as Cardinal Eugenio Pacelli) until the latter's election to the papacy at the 1939 Papal conclave. In 1967, the ceremony of the consistory was revised by Pope Paul VI and therefore no galero was presented to Cardinal Cooke or any of his successors.

Some notable people whose Requiem Masses were said at the cathedral include New York Yankees greats Babe Ruth, Roger Maris, and Billy Martin; legendary football coach Vince Lombardi, singer Celia Cruz, former Attorney General and U.S. Senator from New York Robert F. Kennedy, New York Giants owner Wellington Mara, and former Governor of New York Hugh Carey. Special memorial Masses were also held at the cathedral following the deaths of artist Andy Warhol, baseball player Joe DiMaggio, and noted author William F. Buckley, Jr.

In popular culture
The film Miracle in the Rain (1956) was filmed in the cathedral.
Nelson DeMille's novel, Cathedral, (1981) concerns a fictional seizure and threatened destruction of Saint Patrick's Cathedral by members of the Irish Republican Army. Much of the novel is set in and around the cathedral and details of the cathedral's structure contribute important elements to the plot.
Progressive-metal band Savatage's album Streets: A Rock Opera (1991) features a song called "St. Patrick's" during which the main character, DT Jesus, speaks to God in the cathedral demanding an explanation for his misfortunes.
In the Giannina Braschi's novel, Empire of Dreams (1994), the ringing of the church bells at the cathedral marks a pastoral revolution in New York City.
The cathedral appeared in the 2002 movie Spider-Man, when Spider-Man saves Mary Jane Watson and leaves her on one of the Rockefeller Center roof gardens across the street.
The cathedral features prominently in James Patterson's novel, Step on a Crack (2007) and in the graphic novel version of Maximum Ride (2005).
In Stephen Frey's 2001 novel "Trust Fund" the cathedral is the venue for a double family funeral.
The underground ruins were the setting for the climax of Beneath the Planet of the Apes (1970) where Taylor destroyed Earth with the Alpha-Omega bomb. Centuries earlier, mutant humans surviving a nuclear holocaust founded a religion on the bomb (later depicted in Battle for the Planet of the Apes), reconsecrated the cathedral to their new religion, and installed the bomb in front of the organ pipes in place of the crucifix.
In the ABC television series Ugly Betty, the cathedral was used as the venue for the wedding of Wilhelmina Slater to Bradford Meade.
In the 2008 video game Grand Theft Auto IV, this seems to be the basis for the Columbus Cathedral in Hatton Gardens.

See also

Roman Catholic Archdiocese of New York

Notes

1.^ "National Register Information System". National Register of Historic Places. National Park Service. 2009-03-13.
2.^ a b St. Patrick's Cathedral, Lady Chapel, Rectory and Cardinal's Residence. National Historic Landmark summary listing, September 18, 2007. National Park Service.
3.^ Restoring St. Patrick's Cathedral to cost $175 million, take five years. Catholic News Service. March 19, 2012. Retrieved September 4, 2012
4.^ Cardinals launch drive to restore St. Patrick’s Cathedral. Catholic News Service. March 20, 2012. Retrieved September 4, 2012.
5.^ Farley, John Murphy. (1908). History of St. Patrick's Cathedral Society for the propagation of the faith. p. 112ff.
6.^ a b c d e f g h i Lafort, Remigius, S.T.D., Censor. (1914). The Catholic Church in the United States of America: Undertaken to Celebrate the Golden Jubilee of His Holiness, Pope Pius X. Volume 3. New York City: The Catholic Editing Company. pp. 339-340.
7.^ Farley, John M. (1908). History of St. Patrick's Cathedral. Society for the Propagation of the Faith.
8.^ Farley, John Murphy. (1908). History of St. Patrick's Cathedral Society for the propagation of the faith. pp. 49, 111, 115, 122.
9.^ Farley, John Murphy. (1908). History of St. Patrick's Cathedral Society for the propagation of the faith. pp. 127-128, 130, 151.
10.^ Farley, John Murphy. (1908). History of St. Patrick's Cathedral Society for the propagation of the faith. pp. 140, 163.
11.^ a b c d e f St. Patrick’s Cathedral (RC). New York City Architecture. Retrieve 4 September 2012.
12.^ Cathedral of Saint Patrick. The NYC Chapter of the American Guild of Organists. Retrieve 4 September 2012.
13.^ Pitts, Carolyn. "St. Patrick's Cathedral, Lady Chapel, Rectory, and Cardinal's Residence". National Register of Historic Places Inventory-Nomination. August 1976. National Park Service.
14.^ St. Patrick's Cathedral, Lady Chapel, Rectory, and Cardinal's Residence. National Register of Historic Places Inventory-Nomination. August 1976. National Park Service.
15.^ St. Patrick’s Cathedral Set To Undergo $177 Million Restoration. CBS News New York. July 7, 2012.
16.^ Unknown writer (undated)."Cathedral of Saint Patrick" NYC Chapter of the American Guild of Organists. Accessed August 12, 2009.

Please remember that this thread is a mental and spiritual gymnasium which is intended to make all of us think -- and that it does not necessarily reflect my true views. Sorry if this post is somewhat repetitious. What about mostly studying materials which are at least five years old, but less than five hundred years old, so as to be able to gain a proper perspective, yet still be able to verify sources, and know something about authorship? Wouldn't this help to avoid sensationalism, and also avoid having to deal with fragments, obscure ancient languages, or the deciphering of hieroglyphics? 1511 AD to 2006 AD? Just a thought. I like to read the Bible, but how do I really know that what I'm reading is accurate, or that it is what the original authors actually wrote? I continue to be interested in idealistic theology, but I have become somewhat pessimistic regarding using the Bible as a modern infallible standard. Anyway, the infowar will be ongoing and problematic. I'm going to see what sort of mileage I can get out of Responsibility and the U.S. Constitution, at least as being a frame of reference or a base camp. I don't wish to be harsh and narrow, but I do wish to avoid becoming lost at sea, or to avoid beating upon the rocks of who knows what absurdities? There is so much information to wade through. How should we properly sort everything out? If you don't stand for something, you tend to fall for anything. If one does not believe in God, the problem is that they will then be much more likely to believe in just about anything. I like thinking about a Vatican-Based Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System, regardless of where it should be headquartered, or who should preside over it. At this point, it is a mental and spiritual exercise for me. It's an ultimate neo-reformation, if you will. Admittedly, the problems connected with implementation and application would be huge. It might not work, but thinking about it might help us to determine what would work. I'm finding it to be a helpful starting point. Look at the pluralistic mass of information I have collected in connection with these few words!!! Once again, take this thread as a whole, when considering the possibility of a United States of the Solar System, based solidly on a foundation of Responsibility. Sorry for the repetition, but theme and variation is a useful tool, in music and politics!! It sounds as though my threads are about to go up in smoke because of copyright and forum issues. I smell a rat, but what do I know? I continue to believe that I don't have things figured-out at all. I'm just making this up as I go completely insane. Is this an alien with a bong filled with orgone water??!!! What fate Omoroca? How does this dude blow his nose? What would Sherry Shriner say??? I'm going to listen to six hours straight of Sherry Shriner to try to get my pius-zombie head together...


One more time, and perhaps one last time, I truly wish for things to work out well for all concerned, but I do not subscribe to 'anything goes' or to 'peace at any price'. I'm just not a 'fire and brimstone' kind of guy, like Loki. I think a lot of beings need to be incarcerated and reeducated, but with dignity and respect. I obviously don't know the true state of affairs, and when I learn what's really been going on, I might have a very different attitude. I continue to feel that I am watched and attacked on a supernatural-level 24/7. I'm paranoid, because they really are out to get me. I can visualize what I think has been going on, but I can't articulate it very well, and if I could, I probably wouldn't live very long. If this forum gets shut-down or severely restricted, I doubt that I'll join another forum. This has been an adventure, but I had hoped that it would be a shared adventure. I'll probably read more books, watch more documentaries, spend more time in nature, clean and repair my house, straighten-up my finances, write and perform some popular music, and possibly write some science-fiction. In a future-life, I'd like to participate in solar system governance, but I don't think it's going to happen in this life. This has pretty much been a wasted life, in my view. Better luck next time. Right? Thank-you Carol, Mercuriel, All Forum Members, and Secret Admirers for everything you have said and done. Thank-you Queen of Heaven and God of This World for not striking me dead as I have attempted to figure this mess out. But who knows, you might've tried! Perhaps you even succeeded in some of my past lives! I think I might've met you, or a couple of your representatives, over the past few years, but I'm not really sure at this point. If you want to take this tempest in a teapot to the next level, you know where I live, work, and walk. Some of your minions have probably even watched me in the bathroom. Too much information, right? Also, beware of those who talk fast and vibrate quickly, and who are clean, neat, smooth, give you what you want, tell you what you want to hear, and have all the answers. I once spoke with an attorney, who told me that if Jesus showed-up, the churches wouldn't know what to do with him. I think they might crucify the real Jesus (figuratively or literally) and try to create a Christ in their own image, and after their likeness, for presentation to the world, which the real Jesus would have nothing to do with. Take a very close look at who has followed the actual Red-Letter Teachings of Jesus, historically and presently. You might be surprised at what you find, or don't find. I think there might be a lot of weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth in the final reckoning, and that the genuine return of Jesus might be a great disappointment to the majority of the human race. What would William Miller say? I will continue to argue against eternal capital punishment, but I don't know the true and complete story. Seeing everything in it's panoramic horror, might make me think very differently. I've never been more conflicted about this subject than I am right now. Looking beneath the surface of politics and religion is not for the timid or the faint of heart. This subject has made me question myself, more than anyone or anything else. I'm going to be a lot quieter and more thoughtful in the coming months and years. There are thoughts about the subject of this thread which I don't dare print. I almost don't dare think them. My reflection on life, the universe, and everything is scaring the hell out of me, or is it that I am angering the powers of darkness, and they're trying to shoot me down? I think I'm mostly shooting myself down. I'm looking for resolution, but I'm mostly finding questions and conflict. I frankly don't know which way to jump.

What do you think about restoring most ancient ruins, and other notable structures? What about finishing unfinished grand architectural building projects? What about building grand architectural designs which were never built? Wouldn't this save a lot of time and money? Wouldn't the finished products be grand and monumental? Might this include structures throughout the solar system? Modern construction methods and innovations could be incorporated into the historical designs. Would people be prejudiced by the political, religious, and philosophical associations connected with the buildings? This might be a very difficult hurdle to overcome. I guess I'm a sucker for the grand and glorious, but often this sort of thing has been connected with questionable philosophies and fund-raising methods. Could this endeavor be conducted on a very high road? There would be a lot of Babylonian, Egyptian, Grecian, and Roman themes, wouldn't there? But wouldn't this complement a lot of the existing grand and glorious architectural wonders of the world? Elsewhere in this thread, I suggested the installation of an 1875 design Cavaille-Coll pipe-organ in St. Peter's. I'm a sucker for pipe-organs too, even though they are often not well matched with the buildings they are located in. There are a lot of Bentley Organs in Volkswagen Churches! You organists know what I'm talking about! Don't read too much into this paragraph. I lean heavily toward natural everything, and I think the best building is no building, as long as the weather cooperates! But I do admire human creativity, which sometimes manifests in the form of beautiful and grand buildings. I'd really like the solar system to be a New Garden of Eden, which only retains, say 50% of the existing buildings. I'd like to see a lot of the new construction occur underground. Probably most of this hypothetical underground construction would be quite shallow, and people would be able to easily come to the surface. I just want this world and solar system to be picture-perfect! Does anyone have a problem with that???

In the biblical record, Adam lived to the ripe, old age of 939 earth years, but in a very short time period, people were lucky to make it to 100. What the hell happened? That can't possibly be blamed on 'The Fall' can it? Then, 'God' was sorry that 'he' created 'man', and committed genocide, nearly wiping-out the entire human race. In Babylon, 'God' seemed to forbid a One World Government and the Unification of Humanity. I am not a slave to the biblical scrolls, but I do think they contain important clues. Has anyone read any Ralph Ellis books, such as 'Jesus: Last of the Pharaohs'? How about any of Gerald Massey's books, such as 'The Historical Jesus and the Mythical Christ'? Both authors focus upon the intersection of Biblical Studies and Egyptology. Does anyone have any thoughts regarding Biblical Egyptology? What about Michael / Horus / Mithras / Jesus / ??? as being a reincarnating archangel, or even a reptilian queen on a soul-level? Perhaps a forbidden genetic hybridization program resulted in an undesirable and threatening product of conception, namely the human race. I am interested in idealistic government and religion, and even the constructive combining of the two, but I'm not seeing much of a solid historical foundation for this sort of thing. Is the human race predestined to defeat, by divine design? I seem to be out of synch with just about everyone, regardless of whether they are good, bad, wise, simple, human, or otherwise. I have the deepest reverence and respect for my highest conceptualization of the Creator God of the Universe, but I'm mostly seeing God in the Creation, the Teachings of Jesus, and the Divinity Within Humanity. Most everything else is most disappointing. Am I getting warm, or am I just cracking-up?

You might find this interesting. http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t2779-eric-jon-phelps Of course, as always, I can't verify most of the controversial material I subject myself to, so I just mumble on this little site. Consider the Knights Templar, the Teutonic Knights, the Jesuits, the Freemasons, the Bavarian Illuminati, Gizeh Intelligence, the Nazis, the Alphabet Agencies, the New World Order, and the Secret Government as having a lot in common. Again, no evidence, no proof, just hunches and speculation. Old World Order vs New World Order? Or, are they two sides of the same coin? Bad@$$ vs Bad@$$? If the hated New World Order is defeated, do we then get stuck with the Old World Order? Are both of our options really bad? Sometimes I really wonder if we might be in more trouble than we can possibly imagine. Would a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System be a workable alternative to the madness we are in, or would the same old bastards just keep right on ruling from the shadows? I'm trying to toughen myself up by watching old episodes of 'Nikita'. I'm really a kumbaya kinda guy, but do we live in a kumbaya kinda universe? Sometimes I really wonder.

Take a look at this documentary on the Dead Sea Scrolls. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzLfZgzuN-s I continue to experience a profound and devastating crisis of faith, but I also continue to believe that biblical and theological studies are foundational for bigger and better things. Don't just write-off the Bible and Religion, and avoid the whole subject. As unpleasant as it might be, I think we need to properly deal with this. It's really hard to master calculus, without learning algebra and trigonometry. I've been trying to keep one foot in the Old Age and the other foot in the New Age, and I'm doing the splits. I also think that we need the organization and community which the church offers. Unfortunately, many churches are wracked with painful power struggles and doctrinal controversies, not to mention fighting about money. But please don't stop studying religion and theology, just because you don't go to church, or don't believe in God. I tear down and build up, simultaneously. One doesn't make a lot of friends that way, and it's a nasty job, but someone has to do it. I'm still conceptually working with the Teachings of Jesus, the U.S. Constitution, the Latin Mass, and Sacred Classical Music, but I'm not making a lot of progress, and I have received virtually no feedback from anyone. Could the Catholics, Orthodox, Anglicans, Episcopalians, Lutherans, Buddhists, Jews, and Muslims accept such a combination? Would the Protestants still protest, or did most of them stop protesting a long time ago? I wonder. The Latin Mass is the most difficult part of the equation for me, but if I interpret the Mass with the Teachings of Jesus, it sort of works, for me at least. I'm trying to look for commonalities and historical continuity, with a lot less baggage. I like to travel light. But I remain in turmoil about all of the above. I don't think there is any easy way out of this mess. No one's really going to be happy, no matter what we do. It's sort of like 'choose your poison'. We're very hard to please, aren't we? I'm trying to be a New Age Protestant Catholic by engaging in heresy within the sacred walls of Roman Catholicism, if you know what I mean. They'd fire me in five minutes! Here is a beautiful Latin Mass Wedding. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_F3XUAqDFk&feature=related Sometimes I think I should move to Paris, and attend various Parisian Roman Catholic Churches, and go to every single organ and choral concert. Then I might find a group of renegade Jesuits to hang-out with, and conspire against the Pope (in a nice way, of course!), in sort of a Neo-Hellfire Club! What would Benjamin Franklin say??? What would Francis Dashwood say??? What would the Pope say??? I don't hate the Pope, but I think the Papacy is too easily controlled from the shadows, and too easily corrupted. But would a more democratic and transparent hierarchical governmental structure destroy the Roman Catholic Church? How does one save the church, without destroying it, and a lot of faithful church members, as the church confronts modernity? What a pain!

My computer is running slower than constipation, and I think I know why. I once attended a couple of lectures by Charles Thomas Casey. I think he was a grandson of Edgar Casey. It was quite interesting, but I don't remember the details, and I'm not sure why I didn't pursue the work of Edgar Casey. I come from a somewhat suspicious and paranoid religious tradition, which might explain some of my reluctance to jump right in to something supernatural and spooky. I was attending a Whole Life Expo, and I was a bit overwhelmed by everything. I was also singing in four televised church services at the time, two on Saturday (Sabbath) and two on Sunday, so I was a bit over-churched, to say the least! How does one properly combine order, organization, and discipline with freedom and creativity? How does one properly avoid confusion and anarchy? There are probably seven billion different opinions regarding politics and religion, and how they should relate to each other, so do we need a super father or mother figure to bring order out of chaos? If we keep a certain few items constant, in a minimalist-traditionalist approach, can we then safely engage in a responsible and harmonious pluralism? If the center doesn't hold, we're pretty much screwed, aren't we? Would a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System be a center which would hold? My answer is that it would depend on what people infused this concept with. It could work, or it could fail. What are the psychological, ethical, political, and religious implications and ramifications of a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System? Would such a concept compete with the Roman Catholic Church and maybe China or Russia, or could there be a grand and glorious integration? I really don't know. Again, it would depend on what people brought to the table. I really don't favor a particular race, religion, or country. I really don't. I'm trying to be a watcher from a distance, and do that which is in EVERYONE'S BEST INTEREST. But does that sort of approach make EVERYONE UNHAPPY???

There are some aspects of the Nazi phenomenon, which might have it's roots in Gizeh Intelligence (or equivalent), which have-been, and are, quite attractive, but with legion and devastating final-solutions. Fame, Fortune, Power, Pleasure, and Technology are big draws for a lot of people. But reprehensible means lead to unthinkable ends. Just keep researching a wide variety of subjects. A couple of interesting books which combine politics and religion in a historical setting are 'Hitler's Pope' by John Cornwell, and 'The Keys of This Blood' by Malachi Martin. I'm thinking about going back to church, not because they teach the truth, but because of community. 'The Rise of the Fourth Reich' by Jim Marrs, is an excellent book regarding the persistence of the Nazi phenomenon. I think we need to study the history of the 20th century very carefully, or the human race might not make it to the 22nd century. I will continue to be honest, rather than sanitizing my true feelings with love and light. Intensity and honesty seems to be viewed as being a vice rather than a virtue. I know how to do placid and peaceful. Been there and done that. I just watched a documentary on Heinrich Himmler, and I'm presently agonizing over the Nazi phenomenon. Why didn't the Germans simply promote excellence, and leave everyone alone? Why go to war at all? Why didn't they simply try to win the hearts and minds of the rest of the world, without fighting with them? The Nazi Party seemed to be an authoritarian humanist religion. If one can grapple with the horrors of history, and remain placid and happy, then something is seriously wrong with them. I hope some good guys and gals with Cray Supercomputers are saving the best internet content, and engaging in expert analysis 24/7. I think this infowar is just warming up, and that we haven't seen anything yet. I'd love for things to be resolved and placid by December 21, 2012, but at this point, I'm bracing for the worst, and for a long and drawn-out conflict, which might involve the entire solar system. But I'm pleading with everyone, weak and strong, to keep the infowar completely non-violent. I realize that there are huge issues to discuss and argue about, but hurting and killing should be kept completely off the table. Justice should be delivered in a legal context, and without capital, cruel, or unusual punishment. I don't wish to just sweep everything under the galactic rug, hold hands (or whatever), and sing kumbaya, but I get the feeling that there have been way too many star wars, over billions of years. I want this to be over, but I'm certainly not holding my breath. Well, I might be going down for the 30th time, but I'm going to try to stay down this time, in my Shallow Underground Civilian Base, and just read books and watch documentaries. I might even enter a Vibrational Rehab Center to try to vibrate fast enough to make a difference. I have no idea what I'm supposed to be thinking and doing. I got the distinct impression today, that someone does not like what I'm thinking and doing, but I'm not sure if that is a good thing or a bad thing. Everything seems like a big, sick, most dangerous game. I just wish to turn Purgatory into Paradise. Is this unreasonable or irresponsible? I'm sensing no love from anyone, good or bad. So, once again, are we stuck with either the Old World Order or the New World Order? Is there another better option? What the hell is really going on? Damned if I know, but this thrashing madness of mine is over, for now anyway. This thread is born of insecurity, rather than arrogance. It is merely a tool. It is a means to an end, rather than being the answer to life, the universe, and everything. Namaste. Mea Culpa. Kyrie Eleison. Good-Night. God Bless You. And God Bless the United States (slight pause) of the Solar System. Geronimo! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAzD2Y-opJo&feature=related


I was finally going to stop, but here I go again. I like the idea of a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System, with a University of Solar System Studies and Governance being an integral part of this Brave New Solar System. There might be a hundred campuses located throughout the solar system. I think the best aspects of all political and religious systems could be incorporated into a United States of the Solar System. The idea is to end up with 10,000 of the best and the brightest highly educated and trained representatives, who are not corrupted in any way, shape, or form. I don't know enough about the various beings and factions in the world, solar system, galaxy, and universe to make proper determinations and judgments about them at this time. I simply wish for the corrupt and evil bullshit to cease and desist in this solar system, with all deliberate speed. Do not twist and misuse my words and intentions. I desire only the best for this solar system. Perhaps I should narrow my study to 'The Federalist Papers', 'The Anti-Federalist Papers', The United States Constitution and Bill of Rights, in the context of Nature and Sacred Classical Music. Studying this subject while listening to appropriate music makes all the difference in the world. I am not in bed with any particular race, country, or religion. I might be confused or deceived, but my intentions are to do that which is in everyone's best interest. I remain open to all beings and all points of view, but I am quite suspicious and paranoid at this point. I am attempting neutrality, to the best of my ability. I have tried to keep things light, throughout this thread, but I am very serious about cleaning up the mess in this solar system. Formality and informality both have their proper spheres, and I will attempt to be sensitive regarding what is appropriate and inappropriate in various contexts. Would all of the above need to be theocratically approved, established, and administered? I tend to think so, but I don't know enough about the true state of affairs, regarding God, Satan, Angels, Demons, the Human, and the Divine. I continue to fly-blind, with not nearly enough reliable information. A brutal gang of facts, or a brutal gang of dracs, could change everything. I still don't have an enemies list, but I continue to work on one, as I continue to try to understand. Namaste.

Is competition an integral part of freedom? Are deception, cruelty, and moral ambiguity integral parts of competition? Can pure love compete in the reptilian eat human solar system we live in? I'm leaning toward responsibility and response-ability as being a modus operandi where the good guys and gals can actually win, instead of huddling in a corner, singing kumbaya, while the bad guys and gals rule the solar system. I really do want the good guys and gals to win, but a lot of what masquerades as love and goodness is really naivety and stupidity, and I have engaged in plenty of this myself, which is why I know so much about it. Has high-technology made us safer and happier people? Has it really made things better? Was the Industrial Revolution a good idea? Are all of the Weapons of Mass Destruction making the solar system a really great place? I'm not anti high-tech or anti factory, but probably 90% of this complex mess should be eliminated. Is the world an environmentally better place than it was a century ago? Have we made this world much more beautiful and peaceful, or have we turned it into a toilet and a slaughterhouse? Answer these questions honestly, instead of just struggling to get more and more and more. I wish to turn this solar system into a paradise for everyone, not just for some select faction, religion, or race. I support a responsible pluralism. Obviously, defining and applying this would be something to behold. Once again, please study this thread as a whole, rather than just reading a couple of posts, and then issuing a verdict. This thread is a mental and spiritual exercise, and a means to an end, rather than being the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. This thread is intended to make you face yourself, and think. One more thing. Please understand that I have engaged in a certain amount of role-playing and imagined-importance in this thread. Little people with inferiority complexes, sometimes imagine themselves in important roles and situations. It's sort of fun, and it can be instructional, but it really is dreamland, and there are massive doses of dreamland in this thread. But I have attempted to approximate what I think the hidden realities might really be. Once again, I would love to play some sort of a role in a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System, but this would have to be in one of my future lives. I'm sort of a basket-case in this life, but in a good way. I mean well, but Raven was right, I am a completely ignorant fool, and I know it. We all have our crosses to bear.

Take a very close look at the Knights Templar and the Teutonic Knights. Where and when did they REALLY originate? What have they been doing for the past 500 years, in particular? What are they doing presently? Are there two or three factions, or are they monolithic? What if they really go back into ancient Sirius, Atlantis, Babylon, Egypt, Greece, and Rome? What if they are at the center of the Bloody Drama on this Prison Planet in Rebellion? Are they the Secret Government? I haven't really gotten into this, but I see and smell a helluva lot of smoke, and the smoke is just pouring out of my ears. Consider the Praying and Fighting aspects of the Knights. What might be the World War II parallels? Do we basically need to reform all factions and aspects of the Knights Templar and Teutonic Knights, or whatever names they presently use? Read between the lines here. I don't want to speculate too freely in this area. I think this might be playing with hotter fire than I'm prepared to handle. One more time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z7O7UZxipM

Has anyone considered or attempted Expository Preaching based upon 'The Teachings of Jesus', 'The Federalist Papers', and 'The Anti-Federalist Papers', in the interest of 'Responsible Freedom', in the Context of the Cathedral? What if there were a French Romantic Organ Prelude (foreplay), followed by a Processional with French Romantic Choral Music, followed by a French Romantic Choral Anthem, followed by Expository Preaching Based Upon 'The Teachings of Jesus', 'The Federalist Papers' and the 'Anti-Federalist Papers', followed by a French Romantic Choral Work, followed by a Recessional with French Romantic Choral Music, followed by a Climactic French Romantic Organ Postlude, with Bells and Fireworks Outside???? Why won't anyone talk to me about any of this? I'm not just talking to the regular posters. I'm talking to everyone who monitors this site and thread. You probably know a helluva lot more about what's really going on than I do, and you could very easily carry on an intelligent conversation with me. Why is there a conversational brick wall? I'm dumber and smarter than you think. I could explain, but it's complicated. I'm just starting to figure it out, and I'm probably making a lot of mistakes, but they are just stumbling baby steps on the road to utopia. Check this out. You can watch services from Notre Dame in Paris. I've spoken of Latin Masses, but I really just like listening to services in languages other than English, so I can read, write, or just think, while listening to them. Don't crucify me regarding my comments on Latin Masses. I would still like to know the full story behind the origins of the Latin Mass and the Novus Ordo Mass. I'm not Catholic, so go easy on me, as I try to understand a lot of things which most people couldn't care less about. http://www.ktotv.com/videos-chretiennes/emissions/messe-a-notre-dame/messe-a-notre-dame-messe-du-dimanche-soir/00060005 I love the music!!! Je T'aime Notre Dame de Paris!!!


Imagine being in a room with 100 of the best and brightest individuals in the solar system - discussing solar system governance issues. What might that be like? Is this the way it should be? But how would one ensure that you really had the 100 best and brightest individuals? How would one keep this group from becoming cold, hard, cynical, and corrupt? So many things start out looking so very promising, and then they go to hell in a hurry. Would an Idealized Queen of Heaven really be the best final authority? Imagine dealing with an Uber-Competent Queen of Heaven in a Temple Palace on the Moon. What might that be like? If they were really, really good - that would be an exhilarating experience, especially if they were really, really sexy!! But what if they made Bloody Mary look like Mother Teresa? How about Kali or Hathor on a bad day?? Think about it. The human race should be treated with dignity and respect, and be given appropriate levels of responsibility, but does there need to be a theocratic authority of last resort? If people are treated like children, they're going to act like children. But, on the other hand, if they are allowed to run wild, they might exterminate themselves rather quickly. Where is the happy medium or proper balance point in all of this governance madness? I really just want things to operate properly, and for wars, starvation, gross-injustice, etc. to be completely eliminated. The drama should be kept to an absolute minimum. There are probably hundreds of viable models of solar system governance, which would work just fine, but a Theocratically Implemented, Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System is the one I'm going to run with, until I find something better, and I am open to being shown something better. But it better be really good! This thread is not born of arrogance and superiority, but rather of insecurity and inferiority. I'm really just trying to make sense out of things, so as to try to help make things better for everyone. I like a mixture of the royal model, the servant model, formality, informality, democracy, and theocracy. Even if there has been historical and contemporary governmental malfeasance, a new team might not be much better. I really am trying to understand that which has been hidden from the goyim and commoners. I hate having to keep guessing about all of this, but when I really find out the truth, I might hate myself regarding my historical reincarnational role in the troubles which have plagued this solar system. Ignorance is bliss, right?

I deal in possibilities and probabilities, and I also mostly connect dots to information which has been revealed by others. But I do this very passively, and only on this little forum. I think most of those who read what I write, know a lot more than I do, even though they rarely comment. I have no credentials, so my credibility is zero. Even if I'm mostly right, the impact is probably close to zero. It's not like I've been given the grand-tour by a group of Dracs and Tall, Long-Nosed Greys, and then told not to tell anyone. I really don't know, but I worry constantly, and I suspect deception and foul-play on a grand scale. And no, it's not worth it, but I do it anyway. It might be of some benefit to someone, somehow, somewhere, somewhen. This is sort of like 'Mr. Smith Goes to Phobos'. This is honestly an attempt to reconstruct a badly shattered faith, but it obviously is not working. They promised me a rose-garden. They lied. I'm not complaining about the primrose path. It's what's at the end of the path that troubles me. The light at the end of the tunnel might be an oncoming magneto-leviton train travelling at mach 2. They never promised me a rose-garden in Avalon or the Mists of Avalon, and I don't expect one here, or on Phobos, for that matter. But the truth of our predicament seems to have been carefully hidden by both the good guys and the bad guys. They all have their reasons. But it seems to me that the time has come for the truth to be tactfully revealed to everyone, regardless of whether satisfactory solutions can be achieved, or not. My continued speculation might prepare myself and others for whatever horrors await us, just around the corner. I'm trying to keep all of this in the realm of science-fiction, and mostly for a morbid sort of entertainment. If someone becomes upset by this, they can be consoled that I'm just a stupid crackpot conspiracy theorist, rather than a credentialed whistleblower. If the Mists of Avalon gets taken down, perhaps we can start the Fog of Phobos...

Take a look at this documentary on the Dead Sea Scrolls. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzLfZgzuN-s Here is an interesting lecture. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92hyhBXLaWE I continue to experience a profound and devastating crisis of faith, but I also continue to believe that biblical and theological studies are foundational for bigger and better things. Don't just write-off the Bible and Religion, and avoid the whole subject. As unpleasant as it might be, I think we need to properly deal with this. It's really hard to master calculus, without learning algebra and trigonometry. I've been trying to keep one foot in the Old Age and the other foot in the New Age, and I'm doing the splits.

The antediluvian world was supposedly surrounded by some sort of a mist, which did not exist post-deluge. Is there any evidence of such a mist, and what it might've consisted of? The chem-trails (laced with radioactive materials?), Fukushima (deliberately inflicted?), and weather modification (courtesy of HAARP?) might be designed to produce conditions conducive to certain life-forms. Is this possible? Some speak of the 'veil being lifted'. What are they referring to? Are we going to be dealing with zombies, giants, and plf's? How might orgone affect humans and other than humans, physically and on a soul-level? I'm feeling a tremendous sense of dread. Perhaps I should make my shallow underground civilian base a bit deeper. Can you dig it? In the biblical record, Adam lived to the ripe, old age of 939 earth years, but in a very short time period, people were lucky to make it to 100. What the hell happened? That can't possibly be blamed on 'The Fall' can it? Then, 'God' was sorry that 'he' created 'man', and committed genocide, nearly wiping-out the entire human race. In Babylon, 'God' seemed to forbid a One World Government and the Unification of Humanity. I am not a slave to the biblical scrolls, but I do think they contain important clues.

Has anyone read any Ralph Ellis books, such as 'Jesus: Last of the Pharaohs'? How about any of Gerald Massey's books, such as 'The Historical Jesus and the Mythical Christ'? Both authors focus upon the intersection of Biblical Studies and Egyptology. Does anyone have any thoughts regarding Biblical Egyptology? What about Michael / Horus / Mithras / Jesus / ??? as being a reincarnating archangel, or even a reptilian queen on a soul-level? Perhaps a forbidden genetic hybridization program resulted in an undesirable and threatening product of conception, namely the human race. I am interested in idealistic government and religion, and even the constructive combining of the two, but I'm not seeing much of a solid historical foundation for this sort of thing. Is the human race predestined to defeat, by divine design? Am I getting warm (due to increased levels of radioactivity?), or am I just cracking-up? Sometimes I feel like a potted-plant. What would Brendan Sullivan say? Anyway, has anyone read or re-read 'Megatrends' or 'Future Shock' lately, to see how things have played-out in relation to the forecasts and projections? Should I be reading Daniel and the Revelation in the Holy Bible, for the real-deal about the future? Should I try to change the future, or is it pretty-much already determined? Have the gods and goddesses made up their minds what they're going to do with us, or to us? Or, has the Creator God of the Universe decided what to do with the gods and goddesses - and with us? Is the ball in our court, or not? I guess I'm seeking a productive partnership of the Human and the Divine, whatever that really means. Where does the BS stop, and the truth begin? Which Heins 57 varieties of religion and philosophy do we embrace? How shall we then live? Should we just eat, drink, and be merry, as we prepare to die? Please listen to this Bill Cooper video, over and over again. Please determine how much of it is true. I think a lot of it is true, but my interpretation is somewhat different than the conclusions which Bill arrive at. This material is enough to drive a man to irritability and drunkeness. I've never had a drink in my life, but I'm tempted to become an alcoholic, and join the Friends of Bill Cooper! Sorry Bill. I have no respect, even for my friends! Would Mt. Weather be a good United States of the Solar System Headquarters? How about Camp David? What about the Crater Copernicus? If nothing else works out, there's always Phobos! Should I rent a Ferrari, and do my version of 'On the Beach'? What would Jon Shirley say? What would Shirley Maclaine say? Wait. Don't tell me. Once again, I want to make it clear that I don't hate anyone, but I am annoyed by nearly everyone. I'm really just trying to understand, and to then respond responsibly. I'm very hesitant to throw stones, because I might live in a glass house. Hell, I spent years in a glass cathedral. I really just want to resolve this mess, and move on to bigger and better things, with all deliberate speed. I'm going to spend years attempting to sleep in the bed I've made in this thread. I intend to remain virtually invisible and low key, but who knows what the future will bring, if we even have a future.

The following is just a current theory of mine. I speculate a lot. I somehow think that in antiquity, Michael/Jesus was instrumental in the intelligent design and genetic engineering of male and female human beings, and that this was considered to be the original and unpardonable sin in a reptilian universe. Then, this rebellion was put-down by the Old World Order. At some point Michael/Jesus tried to take back the solar system with a New World Order, which was quickly put-down. At some point, a Counterfeit New World Order came into existence, and battled with the Old World Order. I think Michael/Jesus has largely been disempowered for a very long time. I'm hoping that a New Solar System will replace both the Old World Order and the New World Order. I have tried to approximate what I think the New Solar System might be like, by hypothetically creating a Theocratically-Implemented, Responsibility-Based, United States of the Solar System. The crucifixion might've originally occurred in ancient Atlantis, Babylon, or Egypt, simply as a punishment, with Jesus as a Sinner in the Hands of an Angry God. Then, the story was later modified into the version we are taught in the churches. The crucifixion is essentially a human-sacrifice, and the eucharist is essentially cannibalism, especially when the doctrine of transubstantiation is taken literally and seriously. The substitutionary atonement promises that we can be considered as being good, even if we continue to be bad. I agree with Bernard Shaw, that the substitutionary atonement is unethical. I think we simply must be good, which means we must be responsible, and make the problems of others, our problems. We really are our brother's and sister's keepers. A human sacrifice and cannibalism (symbolic or literal) will not get us off the hook with a legitimate deity. But we might be dealing with regressive and vengeful deities, who use God's name in vain, to punish and enslave us. Read 'The God's of Eden' by William Bramley, 'The Great Controversy' by Ellen White, and 'Rule by Secrecy' by Jim Marrs, as evidence for this hypothesis. Crucifixes do not honor Jesus Christ. They are hideous, and most of them should be removed. Obviously, stained-gl@ss windows, and such, should be left alone, as works of art, and integral parts of existing buildings.

Anyway, the Teachings of Jesus emphasize being ethical and righteous. The writings of Paul promote the substitutionary atonement, and many consider Paul to be a heretic against the message of Christ. Paul did not follow the Great Commission in Matthew 28. He started an essentially new religion, which was not based upon the Teachings of Jesus. As far as I can tell, no church in 2,000 years has followed the Teachings of Jesus as it's doctrinal statement, and rule of faith and practice. I'd love to be proven wrong, but no one seems to wish to talk to me, regardless of whether they agree with me, or not. No one really seems to give a damn. I have also seen the little white amoeba-like lights between me and the computer screen today. I know someone hates me, but at least they are interested in what I'm doing. I think this thing is really nasty and bitter, and I don't think I know 5% of what has really gone on for thousands and even millions of years. I have no animosity presently, but if I knew the full story, I might start applying the war-paint and beating the drums of war! Unfortunately, we're not dealing with sticks and stones anymore. We're dealing with planet-busting WMD's. So, I will continue to attempt to be a neutral pacifist, rather than a war monger. The regressives would probably kick my @$$ anyway!!!! There has been minimal dialogue on this thread, and then, in the past couple of months, conversation has dried-up completely. I have some ideas. I'm challenging the status-quo, and while I intend no harm, the implications and ramifications of my challenge might be very far-reaching. Again, I continue to fly blind. I'm just trying to do the right thing, despite feeling like poop most of the time. But this doesn't seem to be welcome and appreciated. I guess I'm attempting a jail-break, but it's really a nice and peaceful jail-break. This all seems so futile. I really just want things to make sense, and for this solar system to be run properly. Herein probably lies the problem. I am criticizing the prison planet administration, and I am trying to convert a harsh and punishing prison into a peaceful paradise. This might be attempting an impossibility. I just don't know the true nature of our predicament. I doubt that the management is incompetent, but I do think it is corrupt and cruel. But what the hell do I know?

What's going on with China and Korea? I feel very apprehensive. I have heard some troubling things, which I can't verify, and which I'd rather not talk about. To all concerned, be very careful, and don't believe everything the Secret Government (or equivalent) tells you. I continue to think there is a hidden power which incites and causes us to war with each other. We need to stop falling for this bullshit. Again, I am not partial toward any race, religion, or country. I'm White, American, Christian, and Male, but I'm doing my best to be a composite of everyone and everything, if you know what I mean. A Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System might not be particularly American, if you know what I mean. My continued discussion of the Roman Catholic Church doesn't mean that I'm in bed with the Pope. There is a positive and a negative side to everyone and everything, and I wish to accentuate the positive, eliminate the negative, and get rid of the dracs! Just kidding! I'd still like to hang-out with the Dracs on Phobos! Someone told me that they like me, but I'm not sure why, or if that was a sarcastic comment. I simply wish to give everyone a fair shake, but obviously I don't know what's really been going on throughout the solar system for thousands of years. Full disclosure might change everything. I will attempt to adapt appropriately and ethically to changing circumstances and situations. What would Joseph Fletcher say? I know what he told me privately, but it was rather negative, and wouldn't apply to this post! BTW, is Titan the new Prison Planet? If so, is it really big enough? Just wondering. If they cause any trouble, airlock 'em!!! I'm half-joking and half-serious! Probably keeping them in a Deep Underground Faraday-Shielded Maximum-Security Prison would be the best idea. For now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANqYvooR4Rs&feature=fvsr Should eating people be a capital offense? Are people really being eaten? Alex Collier says yes. Sherry Shriner says yes. I haven't said much about this, because it is so horrific and sensational, and because I don't know. I have chosen to focus on solar system governance as a method of dealing with whatever horrors exist in this solar system, which might include non-humans eating humans, or even humans eating humans. We don't seem to be bothered by humans eating non-humans, do we? Well, actually it does bother me, because I'm a vegetarian. Nothing would surprise me, at this point. I am becoming more jaded and cynical than you can imagine. I really doubt that participation in solar system governance would bring happiness and fulfillment. One might become a cold and heartless bastard, which is why I like the idea of a rational and organized rotation of power, with plenty of oversight, checks, and balances. But what do I know? Probably very little. I'm going to spend a lot of time listening to Alex Jones. I'm not recommending this to others, but it's something I need to do. I need some of what Alex has, but not too much! I like Ron Paul and Alex Jones, regardless of any hidden agendas. Also, consider studying 1. Science. 2. Theology. 3. Science Fiction. 4. New Age. 5. Conspiracy Theories. I'm not sure why I wrote that, but I think each of us needs to find a proper balance of several subjects. I like the words 'multidisciplinary' and 'pluralistic'.

Are there good Dracs, Greys, Hybrids, Nazis, Masons, Magicians, Jesuits, and Alphabet Agents? I think so. Imagine working with all of them on the Darkside of the Moon!!! It might be cool if there were a site for whistle-blowers, where they would just post to each other, and others would simply read, and not comment. A Jesuit and Alphabet Agent Site would be sort of cool, where they would reveal bits and pieces of previously classified information, in a manner which would avoid confusion and sensationalism. I hate having to speculate about everything. I'd like to just go into a room full of Jesuits and Alphabet Agents, and have them give me an education for a couple of weeks. I'd probably want to kill myself when I found out the truth, but at least I'd know the truth. A thousand-page, eyes-only document would be the next best thing. But really, ignorance is probably bliss, and completely ignorant fools like me shouldn't be told too much! We might spook the herd! I remain very troubled regarding the low-level of communication refinement, throughout the world. We might not be ready for disclosure or ascension. My quest has revealed how little I know, and how much I need to learn about everything, really. I intend to read a lot of books and watch a lot of documentaries, and say a lot less. I've probably said too much already, and there is probably a very good reason why very little substantial conversation results, but I'm not sure what that reason is. I'm really sorry that we couldn't discuss solar system governance. I really do have to talk to myself. You wouldn't believe the conversations and arguments I get into with my higher-self!! That prude always hides behind a puritanical skirt. I think something monumental and historical has occurred over the past 18 months, but I'm not sure what it is, exactly. I have some ideas, which I'd rather not talk about. I continue to desire that things work out well for all concerned, but without knowing what's really going on, it's very difficult to say anything with any certainty. I just feel very beat-up, very sad, and very scared. If you can remain calm in this situation, you haven't been paying attention. I think things could go in any direction, and I have no idea regarding my fate, and the fate of the human race. I think things have been very bad, for a very long time, and I have no idea whether things can be properly resolved, or not. Things have gotten so bad, that I really don't wish to continue, but I obviously will. Everything is a struggle. Life should be lived, rather than endured. Just consider how precarious our situation really is. Seven Billion Inmates on a Prison Planet in Rebellion, Filled with Weapons of Mass Destruction, Hurtling Through Space, Under the Scornful Gaze of the Gods and Goddesses. Either this world is nicer than I thought it was, or I am receiving some sort of protection, because I am posting things which would've gotten people removed a few years ago. Perhaps it's just that so much forbidden information is being released and discussed presently. I get the feeling that I am being supernaturally attacked, but that I am being physically protected. I know that is counter-intuitive, but I feel as though I am left to fight my own spiritual battles, but that physically, it's claws-off. But who knows? I try to be in an attitude of prayer 24/7, but I rarely engage in traditional prayer, where specific things are asked for. I'm not recommending this approach, but it's just my modus operandi presently. Think About It. Namaste and Godspeed.

Researching Teutonic Zionism, Teutonic Knights, Knights Templer, et al is getting into an area of study which frankly scares the hell out of me. When I got into the subject of Amen Ra, on Avalon 1, I felt the same way. By the way, the 'Amen Ra' thread on Avalon 1 presently has nearly 20,000 views, with nearly half of these views occurring after the shut-down. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18223 Could the two subjects be related? I'm beginning to think so. Here is a link to some related links. http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2008/07jul/RICR-080720-SUB.html Incidently, I'm thinking that Eric Jon Phelps is an excellent resource for this topic. He mostly deals with the Jesuit and Catholic aspects, but perhaps they are important pieces of the puzzle. I still do not wish to be angry at anyone, and I still wonder what my reincarnational role might've been in all of the historical madness. I've been completely out of the loop throughout this incarnation, with the exception of my recent internet expedition into madness. I will continue to blurt things out, in a tactful and tentative manner, on this little site. I hope this helps more than it hurts, but I am open to a redirection of my attention, with the appropriate use of reason, rather than meanness. I want to help to clean things up, but I want to do it the right way. There is a right and a wrong way to do the right thing, you know. Think about religious-ritual human-sacrifice and military human-sacrifice. Are the two related? Is there a religious and a military branch of a secret government, which specializes in blood, death, and sacrifice? And what about blood-money banksters? What about the City-States? Like I said, this subject is getting too scary and creepy for me. I was just going to stop posting, while I wait for Armageddon. How far out on a limb should I venture, if I am to follow my own advice concerning responsibility? I'm going to stop whimpering and rambling, and just listen to Eric Jon Phelps, Leo Zagami, Alex Jones, Bill Cooper, Jordan Maxwell, and Sherry Shriner. That should calm me down, and help me get my head together. I certainly do NOT want bad things to happen -- yet my internet activities have made me quite paranoid. Some real-life conversations have made me even more paranoid. It seems as if things are ripe for something bad to happen -- to cover-up a lot of things -- maintain control of Purgatory Incorporated -- and for a few people (and other than people?) to make a lot of money. I understand that life might have to be somewhat harsh for most of us for quite some time -- but please do NOT deliberately inflict pain, suffering, death, and destruction upon humanity. If certain individuals deserve the worst -- deal with them on a case by case basis -- and leave the rest of us alone. If all of us deserve the worst -- then I don't know what to say, other than "Adhere to a REASONABLE System of Rewards and Punishments". One more thing. I am NOT Anti-Alien. I AM Anti-Bullshit. World Without End. Amen -- or Whoever.

Jenetta wrote:Now you see them, now you don't...Vanishing Islands?

http://beforeitsnews.com/science-and-technology/2012/11/haarp-unleashes-tesla-death-ray-2498644.html

HAARP Technology 2.0 Wrecking Our Environment?

http://www.activistpost.com/2012/11/haarp-technology-20-wrecking-our.html

Weather Wars & The Devil's HAARP

http://www.activistpost.com/2010/08/weather-wars-and-devils-haarp.html

Masters of the World:  HAARP Wars

http://beforeitsnews.com/science-and-technology/2012/05/masters-of-the-world-haarp-wars-2098680.html

Death Chain:  Antarctic HAARP Activation

http://beforeitsnews.com/science-and-technology/2012/05/death-chain-antarctic-haarp-activation-2128255.html

Planet Earth:  The Latest Weapon Of War

http://www.globalresearch.ca/planet-earth-the-latest-weapon-of-war/5307466

Physicist:  HAARP Manipulates Time

http://beforeitsnews.com/science-and-technology/2012/05/physicist-haarp-manipulates-time-2167703.html

Deadly Time Vortex Appears Over Antarctica

http://beforeitsnews.com/strange/2011/04/deadly-time-vortex-appears-over-antarctica-553845.html

Are HAARP Frequency Pulse-Waves Driving People Mad?

http://beforeitsnews.com/science-and-technology/2012/02/are-haarp-frequency-pulse-waves-driving-people-mad-1766530.html

HAARP Destroying Polar Ice Cap

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2012/08/haarp-destroying-polar-ice-cap-2452668.html

Scientists:  Earth's Protective Shield Failing

http://beforeitsnews.com/space/2012/11/scientists-earths-protective-shield-failing-2448946.html

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 Food for thought

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orthodoxymoron wrote:I get the sinking feeling that humanity is messing around with ancient ET technology which they really know nothing about -- and have no business implementing on Earth at this point in time. I further get the sickening feeling that this is stolen ET technology -- which might be booby-trapped. Humanity might be playing with burning-magnesium. I am extremely apprehensive and distressed. I guess I like the idea of this solar system being run by extremely competent and ethical individuals (human and otherwise) as a Big Non-Corrupt Business -- with the Sovereignty of God -- and Human Responsible Freedom -- in a Dynamic Equilibrium. Hope Springs Eternal.

I recently received a copy of The Hard Sayings of Jesus by F.F. Bruce. It was shipped from England -- which I thought was sort of cool. My life is so dull, that even receiving a package from England is a Big-Deal for me!! I also recently received a copy of Planet Earth Inc. (Empire of the gods Exposed -- Volume One) by Ed Rychkun. It's HUGE!! It looks VERY Cool!! I haven't read it yet -- but I'm already going to recommend that some of you read it too!! Once again -- if anyone actually studied this thread, it would probably be considered "Dangerous" -- but, as far as I can tell, very few individuals even occasionally look at this thread -- and I doubt that anyone (other than the AED perhaps) actually follows this thread on a regular basis. I continue to think that something significant happened to me -- relative to the Ancient Egyptian Deity. I don't think I'm smarter or better than anyone -- but I think I might've been someone significant in antiquity (who might've been deposed) -- and now that all of the secret-stuff is being exposed -- I am somehow being reintroduced to ancient-relatives (who might've stabbed me in the back)!! Who knows??!! This solar system might really be some sort of a Galactic Family Business. "Know ye not that I must be about my Father's Business??" I have expressed my desire that Purgatory Incorporated be transformed into Paradise Incorporated -- but I obviously do not know the full story of what's really going on. I continue to be interested in focusing upon the 1928 Book of Common Prayer -- the Psalms -- Isaiah -- Daniel -- Luke-Acts -- and James -- combined with Sacred Classical Music -- as an Ecumenical Place of Beginning. But I obviously don't know what the PTB find interesting regarding ecumenism. They never tell me anything. They probably don't even know about me. Ignorance is Bliss.


1. http://www.amazon.com/Hard-Sayings-Jesus-Library/dp/0877849277/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1429582665&sr=8-1&keywords=hard+sayings+of+jesus+ff+bruce

2. http://www.amazon.com/Planet-Earth-Inc-Empire-Exposed/dp/1927066018/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1429582764&sr=8-1&keywords=planet+earth+inc

I keep wondering what 'They' think of a thread such as this?! Is it just ho-hum faire -- or does it really cause concern? I often wish I knew when I could safely go farther -- and when I should shut-up. I truly do not wish to cause more problems. I am honestly trying to make things better. Unfortunately, I keep getting the feeling that it might not be possible to make things better -- and that things might get a helluva lot worse. Were those 'alien' images genuine or bogus?? I have no idea. I don't lurk in parking-garages at 3AM to get such things. I simply pull them off the internet. I'm only doing this stuff because of the volume of very upsetting and problematic material on the internet. I wouldn't have dreamed of doing such things just a few years ago -- and I am truly going to stop doing this sort of thing at the end of August. I think I've more than made my point. Now I think it is high-time to sit-down and shut-up. I'm just reposting and editing old posts. When this process is done -- I'm done. I probably should've stopped a couple of years ago, after my encounter with someone claiming to be a particular Ancient Egyptian Deity. THAT should've been the last straw. It's important to know when to stop.

I just wonder how many nukes or potent explosives are pre-positioned throughout the world?! I've even heard the theory that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were destroyed by pre-positioned nukes. I keep wondering if everyone involved in the planning and execution of 9/11 really knew that the towers were going to be brought down?! I wonder what the effect of flying only one actual airliner into one tower (with no implosion) would've had regarding Going to War -- the Patriot Act -- Airport Security -- Conspiracy Theorists -- Re-Elections -- Etc.?? It seems as if 'They' made things way too complex and messy. What if 'They' had merely used a pre-planted nuke in one tower (with no plane or missile)?? 'They' seem to be very smart and very stupid -- simultaneously. I don't necessarily have a problem with appropriate watching and listening -- but I keep thinking that the bad-guys are cracking-down on the good-guys -- and that the bad-guys can do whatever the hell they want -- and get away with it. I keep getting the feeling that this solar system was taken-over by a Sun God who wasn't (and isn't) very nice -- thousands of years ago. Enough Said.

I've got to tell you that I am somewhat suspicious of the Exodus -- the beginning of the Intertestamental Period -- the Ninth Century AD (relative to Catholicism and Judaism) -- and the beginning of the Great Schism. What if there is such a thing as an Ancient Egyptian-Christian Universal-Church??!! What if this hypothetical church got taken over at the beginning of one of those suspect times just stated?? From a couple of posts back -- consider this once more: Take a look at "Is War a Ritual Human Sacrifice?" by Acharya S. I am particularly interested in the possibility of the origins of Teutonic Zionism occurring in the Ninth Century A.D. This could be key to the history of the world for the past twelve-hundred years. Could this be the origin of the so-called 'New World Order'? I don't know, but I think this might be extremely important. I hate to say it, but Human Sacrifice and Teutonic Zionism are of special interest to me presently, and not in a good way. This seems to open a can of worms which I'm not sure I really wish to deal with. Here is the most pertinent part of the article by Acharya S:

Teutonic/Zionist Connection

Despite the fact that "the Jews" of Palestine were nearly driven to extinction during the first and second centuries CE, when the Christian tale was beginning to be formulated in large part to preserve Judaism/Israel, their numbers recovered enough to continue the play for supremacy. And there was a significant number of Jews outside Palestine as well, some of whom evidently continued their ancient barbaric rites. The noted historian Edward Gibbon wrote in History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire:

From the reign of Nero to that of Antonius Pius [80-160 CE], the Jews discovered a fierce impatience of the dominion of Rome, which repeatedly broke out in the most furious massacres and insurrections. Humanity is shocked at the recital of the horrid cruelties which they committed in the cities of Egypt, of Cyprus, and of Cyrene, where they dwelt in treacherous friendship with the unsuspecting natives... In Cyrene they massacred 220,000 Greeks; in Cyprus 240,000; in Egypt, a very great multitude. Many of these victims were 'sawed asunder,' according to a precedent in which David had given the sanction of his example. The victorious Jews devoured the flesh, licked the blood, and twisted the entrails like a girdle around their bodies. (vol. 2, chap. XVI, part I)

Later, through the conversion of an entire kingdom, that of the Khazars, Judaism continued on and, as before, was not racially determinate, since the Khazars seem to have been both Caucasians and Asiatics, who subsequently became known as the Ashkenazis or Europeans Jews. According to Genesis 10, "the Ashkenazis" were not Semites but Japhethites, or Caucasians.

In the 9th century Zionists (Jews) and Teutons (Germans) allegedly collaborated against the Catholic Church and established a strange partnership linked by their respective priesthoods' secret and sickening sacrificial rituals. This group was alleged over the centuries to have engaged in human/child sacrifice, an accusation, founded or unfounded, that gave many rulers in Europe the excuse to expel "the Jews" from a number of countries, including from England by Edward I in 1290, as well as from Spain by Isabella and Ferdinando.

The rebuttal of those accused or expelled was that these rulers simply wished to seize Jewish assets. Nevertheless, what had been done in ancient times by both Jews and Gentiles, i.e., the sacrifice of both animals and humans by immolation and by slitting the neck and sprinkling the blood upon the congregation, was alleged to be continuing in the priesthoods of the Teutons and the Zionists. The Zionist elite, in fact, had been accused many times over the centuries of using the "common Jews" as well as "Christian children" as pawns and sacrificial victims in its quest for world domination, a quest outlined in the Old Testament, the Jewish Apocrypha and the Talmud. That the Israelite priesthood used its "own people" as sacrificial victims is admitted in the Old Testament, in which not only foreigners but "the Jews" are slaughtered by their handlers to propitiate the angry, jealous Yahweh (Ezekiel 9, et al.).

I am actually so burned out on all of this speculative madness, that I can hardly wait to finish reposting this thread, so I can finally be done with it, once and for all. I'm continuing to think in terms of Three Archangels in Conflict with Each Other. Frankly, if I were one of these three, I'd just shrug my shoulders, and wish to move on to another topic. The magnitude of the problems, and the nature of the beast, would make it very difficult for me to be triumphalist. Those who are most screwed might very well be insiders. I'm frankly so disillusioned and fatigued that I doubt that I'd be of much use on the 'inside'. I almost wish I didn't exist -- and I'm sure there are others who feel the same way. Those around me seem so much smarter and full of life. I'm a shelluva guy. What if the Real-Insiders are at war with God (with a upper-case 'G') and with Mankind?? I doubt there is any neat and clean way to deal with God and Man. The problems are probably beyond belief and beyond description. If I'm really a nobody -- going way, way back -- I still think I might try to at least go through the motions of being a Make-Believe Insider -- with a small home or apartment outfitted in a science-fictional manner, with an entry-level Cray and science-fictional theme throughout the house or apartment. If I had the money, I probably really would buy an old decommissioned missile-silo -- and decorate it like the Stargate SG-1 Base -- or perhaps I wouldn't. I keep thinking about the episode where some UFO Conspiracy Nut claimed to be an Alien from Another Planet -- and it turned out that he really was!!!!! What if I'm some sort of an ET without even knowing it??!! Could that be why I seem to be having such a difficult time during this present incarnation??!!

Could we be dealing with the Annunaki vs Gizeh Intelligence? Or - are we really dealing with only one Solar System Super Power? Could they have created all of the mythologies, theologies, hybrids, greys, reptilians, nukes, anti-gravity craft, etc and et al? Damned if I know. I just keep marching bravely and stupidly into the unknown - waiting to get shot down. Is there any truth to the following?

ALDEBARAN -- Human militarists of a fascist slant who have traditionally sided with the Dracos and Greys. They collaborate within a large underground facility below Egypt, the base of a secret "Kamagol-II" cult which has connections to the Bavarian Thule Society and the Montauk time-space projects. This cult is also referred to as the Gizeh empire or Gizeh Intelligence, and they are working with secret societies on earth in an effort to dissolve all national sovereignties into a global religio-eco-political order. There are also Insectoid forces involved with Aldebaran. Apparently a neo-Nazi space force may have helped to colonize that system by sending time-space forces back into the distant past to inhabit the 4th dimensional realm of one or more of its planets. These forces from the past are currently involved with the New World Order scenario, attempting to carry out their dictatorial agenda on earth from their "base" within another time-space dimension of Aldebaran (source: Preston Nicholes, and others). The link to the site where I found this information no longer works.


Alex Collier Lecture ..A; 1995: Interaction Between Gizeh Group and Nazi Germany: The Greys made contact with a world governmental body for the first time in 1931. This was in Germany. The Greys were however turned away by the German government, because it had already committed itself to involvement with the Gizeh Intelligence. Now, I don't know if you know who Gizeh intelligence is, but I will tell you that it is a renegade group of human extraterrestrials that were headquartered under the Gizeh plateau in Egypt. They were predominantly Pleiadians at the time. Ashtar was part of that group, Kamagol was part of that group. Even Jehovah was part of that group for some time. They did their own thing. They came down here and "played God" with us, and people worshipped them as "Gods" because they had this technology. They abused their power. The Germans were, in the 1930's, building rockets and starting a space program because of their contacts with extraterrestrials - the Gizeh Intelligence.

Technology was developed and used to create weapons, because the German governmental bodies involved were concerned that there was going to be an alien invasion. The Gizeh intelligence told them that the Greys were here. However, there was not an actual invasion, per se, in progress. Weapons, such as sound devices, lasers, neutron bombs, particle beam weapons were created, although many of these were actualized later on in history. The Germans were given a lot of this technology by the Gizeh intelligence. These technologies also included free energy devices and anti-gravity technology. Tripartite Interaction: US, USSR and Britain. The United States was the first to open its doors to the alien race known as the Greys. I have been told of a contact in 1934, wherein the Greys made their presence known to the United States government in Washington State. It wasn't until 1947 that actual contact occurred with the aliens and United States officials, due to the shooting down of an alien craft in Roswell, New Mexico. This pressed the Greys into contact earlier than they had anticipated. After this crash at Roswell in 1947 the United States, the Soviet Union and the British, at the very highest levels of government, became "blood-brothers".

Now, these governments did not know what Germany was really up to at that time in history. The Germans were very very secretive about their contact with Gizeh intelligences. What was going on in Germany and what was going on between these other countries were two separate issues. The Roswell incident created more of an urgency to develop a true space program in order to defend the Earth. Again, the United States government and the Soviets thought that there was a threat due to the technologically advanced state of the aliens they had encountered. The true space program as an "underground" development that we are just now beginning to hear about. It was originally financed by members of the Club of Rome. Now, you will need to do some homework to find out who those members are, and don't be surprised at who you see. We'll talk more about that when we discuss the moon. The Greys assisted the "black government" with the building of some of the first facilities on the moon and Mars. Once again, the link to this information no longer works.

The observation leads to the conclusion that Al Gore is a top member of Gizeh intelligence. This was the reported occult backing of Adolf Hitler and his Nazi movement in Germany. Ethnically, the Mars connection of pyramid builders (Caucasian white race component of modern humanity via Atlantis, in their original form fitting the Nazi stereotype and extremely racist, the people described by contactee Elizabeth Klarer). The story is very old and very complex. In order to give a short intro, just take a look at this ancient Egyptian painting of Toth writing judgment: Toth, or Hermes Trismegistos, was born during the times of Atlantis and achieved personal immortality. A part of this was a shape-shifting ability. In the painting above, he is depicted with an animal head (ibis). Gizeh intelligence comprized around 8000 highly advanced people under the supreme leadership of shape-shifting Toth. They lived since ancient times in a network of underground cities, the main city being under Gizeh, Egypt, another site being under a location in the Grand Canyon, U.S.A. Other animal shapes reported from ancient times include a crocodile face, a lion face, etc. Toth is the fading embodiment of a fallen angel, Lucifer. In the 19th century, some of the 8000 started becoming active, such as through the Theosophical society of Madame Helena Petrovna Blavatsky. In the early 20th century, the Gizeh intelligence became active as a backer of Adolf Hitler in Germany and his Rothschild-Windsor sponsors in England. Today, all the 8000 have left their cities and are active among humanity. From this connection it is plausible that they are also the force behind the Jesuits in the Vatican and the Knights Templar before that. Reference: Books by Drunvalo Melchizedek. Contrary to myth, the Nazis won the second world war and took over the United States of America. See research by Mae Brussell, Webster G. Tarpley, Anton Chaitkin, David Emory and Greg Hallett. From this connection it is plausible that Gizeh intelligence is in control of America. My personal psychic experience is that Al Gore is a shape-shifting demonic entity from the very top of Gizeh intelligence with Assamite ability (one of the so-called „Ascended Masters” who are highly developed negative beings). The activation of the Gizeh intelligence over the past 150 years (since John D. Rockefeller, Sr.’s time) is to my mind an incidental part of the prophecy that is frequently discussed today under the caption of „2012”. The traditional Christian name for this is the Apocalypse (after the Book of Revelation, the last book of the Bible). The link no longer functions.

In light of the above information, please watch the following videos.  Do you see a pattern...or is it just me? Tell me I'm not crazy! Pretty please!! Help! I'm finding very little information on 'Gizeh Intelligence'. The above description seems to place 'them' at the center of our troubles. The views expressed above are not necessarily mine...but they seem intriquing. What is going on here?


I am looking for a plurality of sources regarding 'Gizeh Intelligence'. Collier says they are gone...but I doubt this. If they existed here historically...I would expect that they are still here. Could Gizeh Intelligence be the group wherein Lucifer resides? Are they the 'fallen angels'? Do they compose the present day Illuminati? Is David Icke speaking of Gizeh Intelligence? Has he ever mentioned this term? Did they create the greys...as well as a mythology to go along with their creation? Are they creating an army and air-force of aliens in the Deep Underground Military Base genetics labs? Will we end up fighting these creations...which we have helped to develop? Are we building the UFO's which they fly? Is most of ufology utter bs...invented mostly by Gizeh Intelligence? Do they live on the inside of our hollow earth(if it is indeed hollow) ...and come through their tunnel system in the earth's crust...to raise heck with us? Are Pleiadians the only aliens here on earth? Are we all Pleiadians? Are the Gizeh Intelligence Pleiadian Aliens those who at some point in history, mated with reptilians? So...might there be Reptilian Pleiadians and Non-Reptilian Pleiadians...and nothing more? Are the reptilians the real bad-guys(demons)? Are the off-world Pleiadians the real good-guys(angels)? Are we the wild card in-between guys? It's the real nice guys who get you! I think I just became a heretic! I recant!! What? You don't believe me?! Oh, come on! I'll be good! What are you doing with that torch?

So...who the heck is Gizeh Intelligence? Do they have a Central Giza Intelligence Agency? Or how about the GIA (Gizeh Intelligence Agency)? Or might it be the CIA (Central-earth Intelligence Agency)? I actually prefer Compassion In Action! Hi guys! Is MI6...Middle-earth Intelligence 6? Is no one interested in this topic? Can someone direct me to where people might be interested in this topic? Sometimes I feel like I'm from another planet...and I wish I were kidding. Please consider all the information available so far on this thread...and give me some feed-back. If these guys are in charge...and no one knows or cares...they have been very, very sucessful. Our greed, fear, and stupidity makes it very, very easy for the bad-guys. Did Billy Meier ever mention 'Gizeh Intelligence'? There seems to be very little information available on this subject. Are the Pleiadians he interacted with...'off-world'...in other words, not residing here on earth, or interveining in human affairs, other than providing warning, inspiration, and advice? Could Gizeh Intelligence be Pleiadians who are in cahoots with reptilians and greys? Do they live in the crust of the earth...and possibly in the allegedly hollow earth? Have they interbred with the reptilians? Is this the basis of the Illuminati, and are the Illuminati actually Pleiadian/Reptilian hybrids? Are the Illuminati and Greys actually subservient pawns to the Draconian Reptilians? Are all of the above the foundation of the New World Order? Could this rightly be called the Old World Disorder Alien-Theocracy? Is this really old, rather than new...and possibly thousands of years old? Are we humans...all Pleiadians?

It's difficult for me to distill the truth from the bs. The Hyperborean reference reminded me of a passage in Frederick Nietzsche's book 'The Anti-Christ' which reads 'We are Hyperboreans'. It's been years since I read this, but that phrase stuck. I'm guessing he was referring to the Germanic people, but I don't really know for sure. The thesis of Jim Marrs' book 'Rise of the Fourth Reich' is that Nazi Fascism is alive and well in the good 'ol US of A. Seperately, the Alex Collier allegation that Gizeh Intelligence was behind Hitler and the Third Reich, would suggest that the same forces are at work today, if in fact, there is a Fourth Reich on the rise presently. Why would Gizeh Intelligence be removed without the other rascals being 86'd? The US/Gray treaties? What about the Reptilians? The whole concept of the earth's crust being laced with bases, tunnels, cities, and aliens is a very unsettling hypothesis. If there is a hollow earth with a central sun...the plot thickens, to say the least! Mind you, I don't know if any of this is true. I have been jilted in the area of traditional religion...and I believe that it is possible to be jilted in the area of ufology and conspiracy research. It's hard to simply say 'could be...but then again...might not be'. Was it Carl Sagan who said 'I don't want to believe. I want to know'? I want to know, as well. Yet I am tending to be very detached...and I have a chronic case of commitment-phobia. I tend to change my mind on a daily basis. The upside is that it's harder to hit a moving target! :

The man behind the curtain must just about die laughing at us...that sob! Perhaps it would be interesting to study the previous decade in light of the current decade. This would provide some perspective and some critique and potential validation or debunking. The current decade may be too close to focus upon...and going back further than the previous decade may be too far. I don't know. Maybe comparing everything with everything...without latching on to anything in particular...is a good approach. But the emotional and spiritual trauma may be too much for many people. I started a thread recently titled '1990's Prophets Vindicated or Debunked?' where I looked at Bill Cooper, Alex Collier, and Bill Still. The response was pretty minimal, and focused only on Bill Cooper. The constant asking and answering of questions may be a good approach. I keep getting the feeling that no matter which way we turn we are going to encounter trouble. There seems to be no simple, easy road to utopia. If you are ignorant and gullible, you get taken. If you know too much, they're out to get you! If you're at the bottom, you're a slave. If you're at the top, you might not like the view! I don't have the answer. I'm not even sure what the question is.

Could the tall, long-nosed greys, who supposedly met Eisenhower...and who our government supposedly signed treaties with...have been Gizeh Intelligence, with some plastic surgery perhaps? Please, someone shoot this thread down, provide some additional sources, or substantiate and expand on this initial hypothesis. Do benevolent aliens have the green light to remove malevolent aliens...as is alleged to have occured with Gizeh Intelligence in 1978? I thought benevolent aliens were non-interventionist. We supposedly signed treaties with the tall greys...not the short greys...right? Well...do people report seeing tall greys? I'm sensing that there may be a lot of 'local' aliens with human 'help' really screwing the human race. Isn't this an important topic? You can vibrate as fast as you want...but the details of who really controls our planet...and why so many people have died in the past 100 years...may determine the destiny of the human race. If we don't get our house in order...we may be stuck in enslavement/extinction...instead of going into 4th or 5th densities. Do we have our heads stuck in the clouds...and are we too sure that we are going to 'graduate' from all the trouble here on earth? We may be in for a big surprise...

Gizeh Intelligence may go by other names...but the descriptions in my first post seem to fit what is going on in our world. Go through the whole first post a couple of times...including the video clips...and see if you can see a startling pattern emerging. The whole Nazi/Hitler/Illuminati/Military Industrial Complex/New World Order/Fascist/Enslavement/Extermination/International Banking thing really has me spooked...as it seems to be a global phenomenon which can convincingly be traced for nearly 100 years...right up to 2009. Everything we have seen and experienced thus far may just be practice for the main event. I don't even want to think about what that might be. Check out EVERYTHING on YouTube or Google Video on Jim Marrs, Joseph Ferrell, and Bill Cooper ...for starters. The dots should start connecting...with a very disturbing picture emerging. Please give this some serious thought. The truth may set us free...but it's sure scaring the heck out of me!

I don't have anything in particular against Forrest Gore...but life is like a Google search...you never know what you're gonna get! However, it might be wise to look closely at the Vice Presidents of the past 60 years...and how they were selected. Were they who the President really wanted? I'm simply interested in how corruptible the top jobs in our country are. Is our political system a glorified 'The Price is Right' show? Who's the host? Who's the parasite? Are we the suckers?

Dr. Earlyne Chaney, in an article titled 'ODYSSEY INTO EGYPT', in her occult-oriented magazine VOICE OF ASTARA (May, 1982) tells of a discovery she and researcher Bill Cox was shown in Egypt. These were two tunnels, neither of which had been fully explored. One was in the temple of Edfu between Luxor and Cairo in the ruins of El Tuna Gabel; and the other near Zozer's Step Pyramid at Cairo near Memphis-Saqqarah, within the tomb of the Bull, called "Serapium". The Egyptian government sealed both tunnels because of fears of certain archaeologists who alleged that they "lead too deeply down into the depths of the earth," and because they found the earth to be "honeycombed with passages leading off into other depths," and the possibility of explorers becoming lost. If such labyrinths do exist, then it may explain one story which alleged that men dressed like "ancient Egyptians" have been seen deep in unexplored tunnels near Cairo, as well as possible confirmation of the story which appeared in Nevada Aerial Research's 'LEADING EDGE' Publication to the effect that the U.S.(?) Government secretly maintains a huge base within a cavern of tremendous size (several miles in diameter) beneath the desert sands of Egypt. Could this tie in with the vaque references to a subterranean society(s) referred to by certain people 'in the know' which is/are known as the 'Phoenix Empire' and/or the 'Gizeh People'?

How many factions of humans/aliens are there in this solar system? I think that it is important to know who all of the major players are throughout the solar system...what their track records are...and what their intentions for the future are. Ignorance may be bliss...but it could also be deadly. To me...there should be no secrets regarding all of the above. If Hitler was interacting with Giza Intelligence (is it Giza or Gizeh?)...this is something which should be examined very carefully. Why is there so little information on this subject? Supposedly they broke off interaction with Hitler in 1941 and were driven off planet in 1979. Does this have something to do with the Dulce Wars? Is this when the military industrial complex and the secret human government really lost control of the alien situation...or were they never in control? Did Giza Intelligence simply move voluntarily to the Dark Side of the Moon? Is this the Capitol of the Solar System? Is there a Vatican Connection? Is Lucifer the head of Giza Intelligence? Do they still have a presence in North Africa?

The Secret Space Program. The Deep Underground Military Bases. The City-States. The Reptilians and Greys. Lucifer. Who Owns and Operates the Solar System? These are the key words and phrases. All of the secrecy should end...and the Solar System should be based upon Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom with an uncorrupted form of the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights, which is adapted to incorporate 100's of states throughout the Solar System. Gizeh Intelligence may be at the center of all of the above. What do you think?

I know that dealing with this subject is playing with fire. I don't know what the stakes really are. If I did...I'd probably just play video games. I just don't want malevolent humans or aliens to play god in this part of the universe...and engage in genocide, atrocity, or enslavement. Bad-guys need secrecy a lot more than good-guys.

Perhaps I could return to the subject of the thread by saying that all of this stuff is interconnected. Compartmentalizing what we discuss may be a mistake. Thinking about the Secret Space Program while watching a motorcycle race may unlock new insights. I'm not kidding. I call this Contextual Superimposition...and related to the Eureka Phenomenon. The military industrial complex has a huge presence in Southern California. Just ask John Lear. California...in general...is hugely important regarding the subject of aliens and ufo's. I guess that North Africa and the Southwestern United States are two of the most interesting areas to me...at this time...other than the Dark Side of the Moon.

Richard Hoagland states that the three main factions within NASA are 1. The Masons 2. The NAZI's 3. The Magicians (Occultists?). My question is...which of these three factions is most closely associated with Giza Intelligence? Or are all of the seemingly different factions simply different facets of the same diamond? There has to be a supreme council headed by a supreme leader...which oversees all of the madness. I suspect that this leader is Lucifer. Again...did Giza Intelligence move their headquarters from North Africa to the Dark Side of the Moon in 1979 (or shortly thereafter)?

Actually...I think the underground bases, leviton trains, secret space program, etc...is kinda cool...but all of this should not be secret...and should not be under malevolent reptilian control. We the People of Earth should control all of this very, very expensive activity. We're paying for it...aren't we? We the People should be invited to the party. It should be 'Our Party'...so to speak. Again...I don't know if any of this is true. I'm simply exploring different lines of possibility and probability. The Vatican, the Pentagon, the NSA, the CIA, etc, etc...all keep forgetting to brief me on what's REALLY going on! I am NOT a potted-plant!

Could Giza Intelligence be a relatively benevolent faction of humans, greys, and reptilians? Are they fighting more malevolent factions of humans, greys, and reptilians? I'm sensing a very dark and complex power struggle...with lots of collateral damage. Are the various factions really different shades of black? Disclosure could be unbelievably complex. Are there good Masons? Are there good NAZI's? Are there good Occultists? Are there good Popes? Are there good Illuminati? Are there good Zionists? Are there good Reptilians? Are there good Greys? What were the World Wars REALLY all about? Did WWII really end? Is it still raging (over our heads, beneath our feet, and invisibly all around us...and even in us)?

I'm sensing that we are discussing the tip of the iceberg. We may be picking a scab which covers a very ugly and grotesque wound. We may not like what we see when 'Disclosure' fully occurs. I'm thinking that we may have to become very unhappy and disillusioned before we can really begin to build a better world and solar system. Keep digging...but don't be surprised if you don't like what you find. Abandon all hope ye who enter Avalon. Just kidding...or am I? What if Earth (and the Solar System) was colonized millions of years ago by Humans (rather than having evolved here on Earth, at least)...who brought all of the fancy technology with them (including antigravity, nuclear weapons, holographic, free energy, etc). Could we Earth Humans really be Humans from Sirius? Sirius is the All Seeing Eye at the Top of the Pyramid. Sirius is at the center of EVERYTHING.

What if we Humans can exist both physically and spiritually...and simply get recycled here on Earth (and the Solar System)? What if a faction of Humans hoarded the technology, dumbed the rest of the Humans down genetically and educationally. What if all of the religions are manmade? What if all of the alien races are either made up...or have been genetically created by Humans? What if a faction of Human Beings is behind all of this? Could this be Gizeh (Giza) Intelligence? I've asked this sort of thing before...and I live in perpetual uncertainty. This uncertainty is taking a toll. I'm just asking at least some of you to think through what a completely Human Earth scenario would look like. Imagine being part of a faction of Humans...living throughout the Solar System...and deceiving 99% of the other Humans. How would you pull it off...century after century? We have to consider all possibilities...don't we?

I know Humans exist. I know Spirits exist. I know UFO's are real. I know we are in HUGE trouble. Beyond that...I don't really know a damn thing. I'm getting everything second, third, fourth, and fifth hand. Many of us have open minds regarding Aliens, UFO's, time-travel, etc, etc...but what about being open-minded about the possibility that all of this phenomenon is Human? Could the supposed Roswell future Humans really be the elite underground Humans called Giza Intelligence? Bill Cooper was perplexed by the 'Alien Presence' and wondered if it could be a completely homegrown phenomenon. What's going on here? Somebody help me out here. I'm feeling very small, stupid, and helpless. I'm in way over my head thinking about this stuff. I need to stop. Could the superimposed parallel universes simply be 1. The elite members of Giza Intelligence (1% of the Human Race?). 2. The rest of us peons (99% of the Human Race?). Who knows? Oh...I forgot...the Shadow Government knows. Gotta go. Someone's pounding on my front-door...

A special note to Gizeh Intelligence: If what I have said in the previous post is correct...all I ask at this point...is that all extermination and enslavement scenarios be conclusively terminated. Just join the rest of the human race. I request that all factions throughout the solar system reconcile and join together under the authority of the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. This sad chapter of universal history can have a happy ending...and a new beginning. Namaste. I'm feeling really close to the truth...yet really far away. I'm thinking that Sirius is at the center of everything...yet I'm not sure exactly how.

Could it be that the God of This World is a Draconian-possessed androgynous black human alien from Sirius who heads Giza Intelligence, the Secret Space Program, and the Deep Underground Military Bases...and who is the real Black Pope? Could the Ark of the Covenant be the UFO which brought us here from Sirius along with technology obtained from Draconian-demons in exchange for allowing the Draconians to possess the elite-humans? Is this solar system really part of the Siran solar system? Is our sun really Sirius C? Is the ancient depiction of three suns really Sirius A, Sirius B, and Sirius C? Are the tall greys from Sirius, really just human beings? Did we all come from Sirius? Is there a stargate between this solar system and Sirius? Is all of the cr@p we have been in for millions of years really a Sirian civil war? Are we all different factions of Sirians? Would my pet project of The United States of the Solar System really have to apply to Sirius as well? Is Sirius the All Seeing Eye at the top of the pyramid? Is Sunday really Sun God Day? Is this sun really Sirius? Is the Roman Catholic Church all about Sirius? Are the Masons all about Sirius? Are the occultists all about Sirius? Is the layout of Washington D.C. all about Sirius? Is the Sirian Theocratic System really the Universal Church aka The Holy Roman Empire aka the New World Order? How answerest thou...SaLuSa?

I just wonder if it's possible to remove the Draco part of the unholy trinity you mentioned? Are the Draconians really demons who are usually invisible...but who can manifest themselves in reptilian/grey form? Are the Sirians we are dealing with really human beings? When the Vatican referred to extraterrestrials as our brothers...perhaps they meant this literally. Are the Nazis, Masons, Vatican, City of London...and most of the people we love to hate...really pawns? Would an exorcism of the Sirius system as well as our solar system be necessary to rid us of most of our problems? If so...what would make this possible? Is it even possible? Has a significant faction of humanity been dealing with the devil? How expensive would this divorce be?

I have no hatred in asking these questions. I'm treating this like a science fiction mystery novel. I realize that if even 5% of it is true that we are in very deep trouble. I'm thinking that Sirius A, B, and C need to be completely divorced from Draco...and that Sirius A, B, and C need to completely reconcile under the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights...and completely expose all of the dark secrets, horrific wars, and deals with the devil. I just want the BS to stop. Hope springs eternal. Conduit closing.

They have to use Secrecy and Deception to pull-off their agenda. That is Not a good sign. I think we have a chance to properly handle this BS...but that the window of opportunity is very small. The consequences of getting this wrong are enormous...I think. We seem to be like an abused spouse who believes the promise that it will be different this time. How many times do we have to get beat-up before we wake-up and get a cosmic divorce and a universal restraining order? If we keep going back for more...there is probably very little the benevolent forces throughout the universe can do for us.

I keep wondering about the distinction between supposed 'native' reptilians and the alleged 'Draconian' reptilians. Perhaps the 'native' reptilians are not really a huge problem. They seem to be more physical than supernatural. Perhaps greys are a type of 'native' reptilian. I don't know. But it does seem that there are 'non-native' reptilians which seem to be more supernatural than physical. These Draconian reptilians seem to be very evil, smart, and dangerous. Perhaps these Draconians can manifest as reptilians or hijack the native reptilians (and greys?) to do their bidding...or at least blame them for all the trouble. The greys with two brains (one which is computerized?) seem to just be robots. Do the Draconians sometimes (or always?) possess these greys? The Draconians seem to need physicality. Why is this? Why do they possess people?

We are told that we need to ascend beyond physicality. I don't buy this at all. We are also told that we will be taken to better places with spaceships and stargates. Are we sure we would really go to 'better' places? It sounds like they want our bodies and our planet. It sounds like they want to rule over us as Gods. I want to keep my body. I want to keep my planet. I want Constitutional Responsible Freedom. I want the Draconians to go to hell...and leave us alone.

Giza Intelligence is supposedly connected with Aldebaran...but I am considering the possibility that they are connected with Sirius. I haven't decided if they are with the Draconians...or against them. It sounds like they are with them...and even possessed by them. I really don't know. It just sounds like our solar system and the Sirian solar system are linked...and that we are dealing with a human phenomenon(Sirian humans and Earth humans)...with the exception of the Draconians...and perhaps some native reptilians and greys(native to both Sirius and Earth). Again...I don't know. Help somebody. I'm simply suspecting huge doses of BS everywhere...especially from ET's who are oh so superior to us stupid mortals...and are here to help us evolve...by abducting us, experimenting on us, terrorizing us, and dictating to us...whether we like it or not. BS!!!!!


Here is something of interest regarding Aldebaran from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldebaran Notice especially the section on the Gnostic Neo-Nazis.

The name Aldebaran comes from the Arabic (الدبران al-dabarān) meaning "the follower" and refers to the way the star follows the Pleiades star cluster in its nightly journey across the sky. In Persia it was known as Sadvis and Kugard.[7] The Romans called it Palilicium, and it is known as 畢宿五 (Bìxiùwŭ, the Fifth Star of the Net) in Chinese. Aldebaran is identified as the lunar mansion Rohini in Hindu astronomy and as one of the twenty-seven daughters of Daksha and the wife of the god Chandra.

An esoteric neo-Nazi sect headquartered in Vienna, Austria called the Tempelhofgesellschaft, founded in the early 1990s, teaches a form of Gnosticism called Marcionism. They distribute pamphlets claiming that the Aryan race originally came to Atlantis from the star Aldebaran (this information is supposedly based on "ancient Sumerian manuscripts"). They maintain that the Aryans from Aldebaran derive their power from the vril energy of the Black Sun. They teach that since the Aryan race is of extraterrestrial origin it has a divine mission to dominate all the other races. It is believed by adherents of this religion that an enormous space fleet is on its way to Earth from Aldebaran which, when it arrives, will join forces with the Nazi Flying Saucers from Antarctica to establish the Western Imperium. [8]

In Inuit astronomy, Aldebaran is called "Spirit of a Polar Bear". In the religion of Stregheria, Aldebaran is a fallen angel and quarter guardian of the eastern gate. Aldebaran is referred to in Edmund Spenser's The Faerie Queene (1590), book one, canto three, stanza 16:

Now when Aldeboran was mounted hye
Aboue the shinie Cassiopeia chaire (I.III.16.1-2)
In American horror writer H. P. Lovecraft's Cthulhu Mythos, Hastur resides in the Hyades cluster, and is signified by Aldebaran being above the horizon. When Aldebaran is visible, Hastur's eye is said to be upon all it oversees.

For the Seris of northwestern Mexico, this star is providing light for the seven women giving birth (Pleiades). It has three different names: Hant Caalajc Ipápjö, Queeto, and Azoj Yeen oo Caap ("star that goes ahead"). The lunar month corresponding to October is called Queeto yaao "Aldebaran's path".[9]

For the Dakotas (a branch of the Native American Sioux tribe), Aldebaran took on a heroic aspect. The young star was the child of the sun and the lady Blue Star. One day, he desired to hunt the white buffalo (the Pleiades). After he pulled up a sapling to make a spear, a hole was made in the ground and he could see all the people of Earth down below. The white buffalo took this chance to push him through. He was found by an old woman and was to be known as Old Woman's Grandson. On Earth, he killed many strange monsters that had been troubling the Native Americans; one monster of which was a serpent that caused drought. The young hero killed the serpent, releasing a great stream of water that became the Mississippi River. In time, Old Woman's Grandson remembered the white buffalo and returned to hunting him in the sky to fulfill his destiny.

Reference to Aldebaran appears in the The Rolling Stones song "2000 light years from home" from the 1967 psychedelic rock album Their Satanic Majesties Request. The Welsh-born Dark Ambient musician Brian Williams (Lustmord) has a track entitled Aldebaran of the Hyades on his 1994 album The Place where the Black Stars Hang. Enya included a song named Alderbaran on her first album, Enya (later re-released as The Celts). Austrian musician B. Fleischmann includes a song called "Aldebaran Waltz" in his 2006 album, The Humbucking Coil.

Aldebaran is also the title of a song by Essra Mohawk, and is included on her album "Revelations Of The Secret Diva". What if what we are really dealing with is Draconian Demon Possessed or Controlled Humans vs Pleiadian Angelic Assisted Humans? What if all of the physical ET's who are here are really Human Beings? Would this violate the non-intervention rule? Are native Reptilians and Greys being forced to do the bidding of the Draconians? Are the Greys who are doing the abductions, etc...really clones, robots, or PLF's? Will the native Reptilians and Greys be used as scapegoats by the Draconian Cabal?

I'm presently seeing Draco > Aldebaran > Sirius B > Earth (Giza Intelligence, Vatican, Nazis, Masons, Illuminati, Occultists, City of London, United Nations, Washington D.C., Deep Underground Military Bases, Secret Space Program) = Military/Industrial/Financial/Draconian Theocracy. This is not exactly a happy-go-lucky, live and let live, group of humans and extraterrestrials (in spirit form?)...to say the least! I suspect that this is where all the drug money...tax money...war blood money...bankster bail-out money...missing trillions from the defense budget, etc...really goes. Negative Karma to the nth degree is being generated daily. Judgement Day will not be pretty or pleasant. Crime does not pay on Judgement Day. Getting nervous guys? It won't be long now. The Horror. The fun never ends...does it? That figure at the 1984 Olympics looks like one of our Draconian Masters...looking down on us stupid mortals...like a Gargoyle on a Cathedral.

Here is something relevant to this thread that I posted on another thread: The Aldebarans are supposedly renegade Pleiadians. Did they thumb their noses at the Pleiadian Powers That Be...and make deals with the Devil aka Draconians...to obtain Technology and Spiritual Power? Was the Pleiades really Heaven? Was the Person In Charge really God. Was Lucifer a Pleiadian who tried to get a better deal by dealing with the Dracs? Did this result in the famous War in Heaven? Did Lucifer drag one third of the Pleiadians to Aldebaran...then to Sirius...and finally to Earth? Are we all Fallen Angels? Is this why Lucifer is the God of This World? Some say Lucifer is no more...but I doubt this. Is Aldebaran still renegade Pleiadian presently? Is Sirius A and Arcturus completely unfallen Pleiadian presently? Is Sirius B and Earth in Sirius trouble? Is a final battle brewing to settle this thing once and for all?

Or...is the whole Universe under Draconian control...including the Pleiades? Did the God in the Pleiades keep this a secret to make a bad situation seem like Heaven? Did Lucifer smell a rat...and try to fight fire with fire...hoping to get technology and spirituality from the Dracs...and then turn on them? Could the final phase of this be happening presently? Is that what's brewing? Is this 'The Great Work'? Are Sirius B and Earth engaged in a rebellion against the Dracs which must be crushed? Will the Empire strike back? Does Sirius B and our Sun contain Planets in Rebellion? Do they threaten the Draconian Universal Church Theocracy? Did Lucifer mean well...but did he or she bite off more than they could chew...and go insane? I keep thinking that Lucifer is like Colonel Kurz in 'Apocalypse Now'. If Constitutional Responsible Freedom really catches fire...will this be the end of Draconian Universal Domination? I really and truly don't know. All of the above could be complete BS. I don't know who the good-guys and who the bad-guys are anymore. Do you?

Take another look at the details of my previous couple of posts. If the whole universe was Drac-controlled...and this was being hidden from you...but you figured it out. How would you fight the tyranny being effected through your beloved leader? Would you confront your leader publicly while privately dealing with the Dracs to try to get their technology and spirituality? You'd end up fighting both your beloved leader and his loyal (and clueless?) followers...plus when you double-crossed the Dracs...you'd have to fight them as well. Did Lucifer and his(her?) followers get kicked out of Heaven...and then get involved in a horrific fight with the Dracs? Was this the 600,000 year Gaian-Orion War? Supposedly no one won...they just stopped killing each other. Did a sort of 'cold-war' follow? Is this the situation we find ourselves in presently? Is this why everything is so $crewed-up? Is the New World Order a Draconian attempt to completely regain domination over humanity? Is this how much trouble we are really in...or is it much worse? I suspect that it is. Is Lucifer insane because of the hopelessness of the situation? Are all of us Renegade Pleiadians?

I continue to believe that Constitutional Responsible Freedom would be in everyone's best interest...including the Pleiadians and Dracs. The God thing really doesn't work. I suspect that Lucifer found this out the hard way. Humanity is waking up to this very harsh reality as well. If what I am thinking is true...the Pleiadian God was wrong. Lucifer was wrong. And the Draconians were (and are) wrong. Two new commandments I give unto all of you: I. Thou Shalt Have No Gods. Period. II. Thou Shalt Not Be An @sshole. Period. I really don't want to fight with the Dracs. I can't believe that there is no possibility of them warming to the idea of Responsible Freedom. I don't know what made them so mean...but perhaps there is a legitimate reason. Regardless...why not base the Universe on the best principles...rather than on brute-force? Why is this so hard? Lord Draco...we need to talk. Soon. In the meantime...you're a warrior Lord Draco...aren't you?? Isn't war and killing really, really stupid? Isn't it insane? I think it is. We can do better than this...can't we Lord Draco?

Here is a bit of a restatement of questions which I have previously asked: Are we really dealing with the following? Draconian-Pleiadian-Annunaki Theocracy vs Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom. How would Giza Intelligence fit in with the above? Is Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom a grave threat to the Universal Church? Is Earth a Planet in Rebellion against the Draconian-Pleiadian-Annunaki Theocracy aka Universal Church? Will the Empire Strike Back to crush this rebellion? Does might trump right? We might not have to wait long to find out. Something seems to be brewing. Hmmmmmm.

Is Gizeh Intelligence the key to all of the mysteries we discuss on this site? I just want all of us to get informed about who we really are...and what's really going on...without becoming angry or going crazy. Obviously...I want a sovereign and free humanity...especially in this solar system. I certainly hope this is a possible possibility. I'm leaning toward a hypothesis that the original creation is a mystery...which is probably a combination of evolution and intelligent design. I see evidence of this everywhere. What I don't see is an All Powerful, All Knowing, All Loving, and All Present Creator God of the Universe running this solar system. I'm seeing something quite sinister.

I don't think the Annunaki, Pleiadians, or Dracs created us. They may have done some genetic engineering (mostly dumbing us down to control us). I'm seeing a cabal of Annunaki, Pleiadians, and Dracs playing god. Could this have been what Lucifer rebelled against in the Pleiades? Did war in heaven result? Did Lucifer and a third of the Pleiadians get kicked out of heaven? Did Lucifer then try to play god in Aldebaran with a third of the angels? Did this apostasy spread to Sirius and Earth...among other places? Are we all part of the third of the angels? Did Lucifer try to fight a wrong with a wrong? We know that two wrongs don't make a right. Did Lucifer go insane? Is the whole concept of theocracy the real root problem? Should the Ten Commandments be replaced by the Two Commandments?

I. Thou Shalt Have No Gods. (In the traditional sense)
II. Thou Shalt Not Be An @$$hole.

I really don't wish to demonize or destroy anyone. I just want the bs to stop. Here is a comment which I posted on another thread which is relevant to this thread:

I have a fascination regarding cathedrals and pipe-organs. The whole temple and worship concept goes way back into antiquity. Lucifer was supposedly the chief musician in 'heaven'. If 'heaven' is really the Pleiades...perhaps there were cathedrals and pipe organs in the Pleiades...and Lucifer brought the whole theological concept...including temples, cathedrals, pipe-organs, and worship...from the Pleiades to Aldebaran...then to Sirius...and finally to Earth. As above...so below. I guess I'm seeing two rival 'gods' leading a civil war. Are the Annunaki and Dracs mercenary interdimensional warriors and laborers? Was the Pleiadian 'god' instrumental in the destruction of Atlantis? Did the Luciferian 'god' take the Atlantian civilization underground? Is this Giza Intelligence? Are there underground mansions, cathedrals, libraries, and museums...combined with military bases and stargate temples? Does Lucifer (or equivalent) possess the ability to end most life on Earth through 'Earth Changes'? Is alien technology really ancient Pleiadian technology? I'm beginning to think so. The exact composition and motivations of the various secret factions are obviously unknown. My guess is that there may be three major factions...two theocratic (one Pleiadian and one Aldebaran Luciferian)...and one namaste constitutional responsible freedom faction.

Hitler may very well have been a regular visitor to this underground or inner Earth realm. This may also be true for the Popes. I don't know. This is all just wild speculation. But studying the Nazi phenomenon may be the real window into what is going on.

When Henry Kissenger was learning about the 'alien presence' he worked night and day...and wouldn't communicate with anyone...not even his wife. What he was learning must have been devastating. It couldn't have been good. Notice that certain key people, such as Henry Kissinger and Zbigniew Brzezinski (both Jason Scholar study directors)...who presumably know the complete story...quietly direct the Presidents...administration after administration. The Presidents presumably do not know the complete story...with the possible exception of George H.W. Bush.

Once again...I just want the secrecy to end...I want all hard core regressive beings (human and non-human) to leave this solar system...and I want the solar system to be based upon namaste constitutional responsible freedom. That should correct most of the major ills...regardless of who is presently running things or which et's are good or bad. If this works...other star systems might try doing this as well. Is this too much to ask?