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    Post  Brook Fri Jun 07, 2013 5:05 pm


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    HUNTSVILLE, Alabama - Whatever Tuesday's Redstone radar blob was, it was unlike anything most professional radar watchers have ever seen. Speculation has centered on secret defense testing at Redstone Arsenal, and the University of Alabama in Huntsville has said it has found feathery pieces of fiberglass near the area. All this has led Huntsville scientists to be discreet in their public speculation so far in deference to national security. But they are shedding more light on an event that exploded on radar like a thunderstorm, spread nearly 10 miles wide and a mile high, and lasted for nine hours - all while being virtually invisible to the naked eye.

    Matt Havin and Dr. Michael Lawton, meteorologists at Huntsville's Baron Services Inc., watched the blob on multiple radars at their operations center in Cummings Research Park. Company founder Bob Baron, a former television meteorologist, invented and developed the first tornado-tracking technology for television forecasters, and his company works with TV stations and companies nationwide. In an interview Wednesday about the blob, Havin first listed "what we know it's not"

    1. A thunderstorm or rain. There was no rain in the area.

    2. Bats, birds or insects. "Bats or birds tend to have a (radar) signature that expands rapidly," Havin said. "We've seen signatures like this with insects before, but usually it's not this size or this duration."

    3. The 1,000 ladybugs released by the Huntsville Botanical Garden to fight aphids.

    4. Typical small fragments of military chaff (radar countermeasures). Generally, Havin said, military chaff is carried by upper-level winds in bands. "Typically chaff signatures are released by aircraft," Lawton said. "That's why they have a long, sort of elongated signature. This did not look like that."

    5. Dust. "It wasn't that," Havin said, "otherwise we'd see signatures like that in the Plains all the time at harvest time, and we don't."

    7. Smoke. "Out of any of the potential causes," Havin said, "smoke is what this most closely looks like if it wasn't going to be a severe thunderstorm. But to have a signature of this size and strength, you'd have to go from nothing to an extreme forest fire almost instantaneously. And you'd see a lot of smoke, which we did not."

    6-8. Radiation, jamming (which has an on-off signature), or a bad Huntsville Utilities substation.

    Here's what the two meteorlogists can say about "whatever it was," in Havin's words.

    1. It was suspended in the air for about nine hours, started on the north side of Redstone Arsenal just after 1:30 p.m. and ended around 11 p.m. (CDT). "That's a very long time for something to be hanging around," Havin said.

    2. All the radar signatures "had to occur between the surface of the ground and about 5,500 feet above the ground above Redstone Arsenal."

    3. It was greater than 8-10 miles in diameter for "most of the duration."

    4. "It was pluming." The source was apparently sending up either multiple or almost continual releases of "whatever it was from very low elevation or from the ground. It shot up from the surface or a very low level," Havin said.

    5. It showed up on different radar frequencies, including the S-band radar used by the National Weather Service and the C-band radar used by one local TV station.

    Neither Havin nor Lawton, a Phd research meteorologist, has ever seen anything like this on radar. But despite that, what did people at Baron Services see when they went outside Tuesday to look? "It wasn't anything obvious," Havin said.

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    Post  Carol Fri Jun 07, 2013 5:56 pm

    Very odd indeed.


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    Post  Carol Sat Jun 08, 2013 1:34 am

    Good catch Emme. Flowers


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhX2tvrSJAI&feature=player_embedded
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    6/3/2013 -- Multiple Large RADAR pulses - Salt Lake City, UT - Dyess AFB - Houston, TX


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    Post  Brook Sat Jun 08, 2013 7:16 am

    Very good find Emma!

    So for nine hours they were preforming intentional Radar Jamming? Why? Nine hours!

    Even more strange.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radar_jamming_and_deception
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    Post  Brook Sat Jun 08, 2013 7:47 am

    The more I think about it the more it puzzles me. For nine hours they were using radar jamming as described in the link I just provided.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radar_jamming_and_deception

    Radar jamming and deception is the intentional emission of radio frequency signals to interfere with the operation of a radar by saturating its receiver with noise or false information.

    Cloaking the outgoing signal with random noise makes it more difficult for a jammer to figure out the frequency that a radar is operating on.

    What were they jamming signals for that lasted nine hours? They obviously were jamming...from the chaff found in the direct vicinity. Big questions which will probably never get answered.

    FFS...that's a damned long time for a "test".
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    Post  Brook Sun Jun 09, 2013 7:06 am

    Good Morning! Brook


    Tests
    and TIMING......9 hours and nobody saw a thing.... Whistle

    Invisibility 'time cloak' developed

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    An "invisibility" time cloak which is able to hide events in a continuous stream of light has been developed by scientists.
    The cloak works by manipulating the speed of light in optical fibres and means any interaction which takes place during this "hole in time" is not detected.
    That is, a beam of light can be manipulated along its path.
    The study is published in the journal Nature.
    The research builds upon a time cloak described last year that was only able to hide single brief events of time in an optical beam.

    Hidden data

    This work is different to other "invisibility cloaks" in that it hides events in time, rather than spatial objects - which similar efforts have looked into.
    The team from the Purdue University in Indiana has shown it can hide events in the path of a continuous light beam by having several "holes in time".
    The researchers were able to cloak nearly half the data put in the beam's path, which they would otherwise be able to detect.
    Cloaking, just as it sounds, is where an object or event is hidden from vision. This can apply to frequencies of light or sound. For example, stealth war planes can be difficult to detect on enemy radar.
    "We were able to push the light forward and back using commercial telecoms components, that are controlled by electrical signals," said Andrew Weiner, who co-authored the paper.
    "When one sends high-speed data over an optical fibre in the existing infrastructure, in many cases it's just 1s and 0s (binary code).

    Bendy light

    "In our system, we can hide the 1s and 0s. There can also be other kinds of disturbances in the light but this cloak provides a zone where one doesn't see how the light is being changed," Prof Weiner told BBC News.
    He compared how a stream of light is manipulated to a flowing river.
    "Think about taking a region of that river and pushing some of it forward, and some backwards so there are holes where there isn't any water. Maybe there's a dam, and we can pop the dam on and off very quickly, to somehow disturb or divert the water.
    "If we part the water so it doesn't see the dam popping up and down, it isn't disturbed, and afterwards we can put the water back together so it looks like a nice calm river again.
    "That's how we control the flow of the light. We're pushing it forward and backwards in time, so it avoids events that would otherwise disturb it," Prof Weiner explained.

    Though called a time cloak, it's actually "not a manipulation of time, it's a manipulation of light" explained Greg Gbur, who specialises in optical physics at the University of North Carolina at Charlotte.
    The researcher, who was not involved in the study, said it showed a huge advance in the work on the time cloak.
    "In the first time cloak paper, they discussed hiding events of a few billionths of a second once in a while. Here, they are talking about being able to hide data 46% of the time. This really suggests that this has gone from a curiosity to something that could be used in optical communications and data processing," added Dr Gbur.
    Ortwin Hess, a physicist at Imperial College London, said the study was a "remarkable extension of the previously demonstrated time lens principle".
    'Undesirable communication'
    "An important part of the present paper exploits the principle of space-time duality, which means that like in the original concept of a temporal cloak, one of the directions of spatial cloaking had been replaced by time.
    "It shows how beautiful the space-time principles are that can be used in optics. While previous cloaks are interesting as well, in the sense that they change optics in space, now we can change the way light, and thus information, behaves in space and time," Prof Hess told BBC News.
    The research has several possible applications, he added. It could make data more tamper proof, could be used to monitor "undesirable communication" and could be used by governments or large firms that handle sensitive or confidential information.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22780651

    http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature12224.html

    http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v481/n7379/full/nature10695.html

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15837145


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    Post  Brook Sun Jun 09, 2013 7:35 am

    The main instrument at HAARP Station is the Ionospheric Research Instrument (IRI). This is a high power, high-frequency phased array radio transmitter



    "We were able to push the light forward and back using commercial telecoms components, that are controlled by electrical signals,"


    Would also work well in tandem with this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15837145
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    Post  Brook Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:16 am

    It seems the story in getting around now;

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2336425/Scientists-create-device-tears-hole-time-enabling-undetectable-secret-messages-sent.html

    If you were the US military, how would you apply this technology?


    Bending light and blacker than black?

    http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/12/army-goth/
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    Post  Carol Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:43 am

    Brook, there was another article I read that ties into this. Be right back.


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    Post  Brook Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:44 am

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    Post  Carol Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:46 am

    Take a look at this.

     Radar blob: 'Whatever it was' versus what we know it wasn't West-ford-ring-large
    Full article: http://www.damninteresting.com/earths-artificial-ring-project-west-ford/
    EARTH'S ARTIFICIAL RING: PROJECT WEST FORD
    At the height of the Cold War in the late 1950s, all international communications were either sent through undersea cables or bounced off of the natural ionosphere. The United States military was concerned that the Soviets (or other "Hostile Actors") might cut those cables, forcing the unpredictable ionosphere to be the only means of communication with overseas forces. The Space Age had just begun, and the communications satellites we rely on today existed only in the sketches of futurists.

    Nevertheless, the US Military looked to space to help solve their communications weakness. Their solution was to create an artificial ionosphere. In May 1963, the US Air Force launched 480 million tiny copper needles that briefly created a ring encircling the entire globe. They called it Project West Ford. The engineers behind the project hoped that it would serve as a prototype for two more permanent rings that would forever guarantee their ability to communicate across the globe.

    The project itself was a virtually unqualified success. Though the first launch ended in failure, the second launch went without a hitch on 09 May 1963. Inside the West Ford spacecraft, the needles were packed densely together in blocks made of a napthalene gel that would rapidly evaporate in space. This entire package of needles weighed only 20 kg. After being released, the hundreds of millions of copper needles gradually spread throughout their entire orbit over a period of two months. The final donut-shaped cloud was 15 km wide and 30 km thick and encircled the globe at an altitude of 3700 km.

    Project West Ford
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    sunlight pressure would cause the dipoles to only remain in orbit for a short period of approximately three years


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    Post  Brook Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:49 am

    Carol wrote:Take a look at this.

     Radar blob: 'Whatever it was' versus what we know it wasn't West-ford-ring-large
    Full article: http://www.damninteresting.com/earths-artificial-ring-project-west-ford/
    EARTH'S ARTIFICIAL RING: PROJECT WEST FORD
    At the height of the Cold War in the late 1950s, all international communications were either sent through undersea cables or bounced off of the natural ionosphere. The United States military was concerned that the Soviets (or other "Hostile Actors") might cut those cables, forcing the unpredictable ionosphere to be the only means of communication with overseas forces. The Space Age had just begun, and the communications satellites we rely on today existed only in the sketches of futurists.

    Nevertheless, the US Military looked to space to help solve their communications weakness. Their solution was to create an artificial ionosphere. In May 1963, the US Air Force launched 480 million tiny copper needles that briefly created a ring encircling the entire globe. They called it Project West Ford. The engineers behind the project hoped that it would serve as a prototype for two more permanent rings that would forever guarantee their ability to communicate across the globe.

    The project itself was a virtually unqualified success. Though the first launch ended in failure, the second launch went without a hitch on 09 May 1963. Inside the West Ford spacecraft, the needles were packed densely together in blocks made of a napthalene gel that would rapidly evaporate in space. This entire package of needles weighed only 20 kg. After being released, the hundreds of millions of copper needles gradually spread throughout their entire orbit over a period of two months. The final donut-shaped cloud was 15 km wide and 30 km thick and encircled the globe at an altitude of 3700 km.

    Project West Ford
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_West_Ford
    sunlight pressure would cause the dipoles to only remain in orbit for a short period of approximately three years

    Wow! That ties it in nicely.
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    Post  Carol Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:55 am

    Lawless was posting about this in his West Ford thread and I did a little research on it finding the info above. Mercuriel and I were talking about this last night and your thread here along with what Eric Dollard was revealing about the sun. Basically the sun isn't producing enough ions to shield the earth which was impacting radio communications that depended up the shield for military communications and how HAARP basically was being used to keep the artificial shield that West Ford has up energized, so that they can monitor everything that is moving in and out of earth's atmosphere including all ET craft.

    I was reading this thread and wondering why a radar blob for so long? What is going on this time - what is it they don't want anyone to see?


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    Post  Brook Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:55 am

    As of 2008, several clumps of the needles are still in orbit, and occasionally re-enter.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_West_Ford

    They've changed from clumps of Copper needles to this?

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    Post  Carol Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:56 am

    That looks like filaments.


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    Post  Brook Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:58 am

    Carol wrote:That looks like filaments.

    That is some remnant of aluminum coated glass fibers called Chaff they found in Huntsville from this event.

    Radar jamming:

    Chaff is made of different length metallic strips, which reflect different frequencies, so as to create a large area of false returns in which a real contact would be difficult to detect. Modern chaff is usually aluminum coated glass fibers of various lengths. Their extremely low weight and small size allows them to form a dense, long lasting cloud of interference.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radar_jamming_and_deception

    They were doing something they didn't want us to see that's for sure.

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    Post  Carol Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:02 am

    Do you think it was a test or something else? Since it went on for so long I suspect the later.


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    Post  Brook Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:05 am

    Carol wrote:Do you think it was a test or something else? Since it went on for so long I suspect the later.

    My opinion, and it is exactly that "an opinion", is they were testing this light bending technology in Tandem with "other technology". So what seemingly was a short event ended up recording a 9 hour radar blob.

    Cloaked with Chaff just in case... Wink



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    Post  Carol Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:06 am

    Now that makes sense.


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    Post  Brook Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:12 am

    Due to my own personal "need to know" of various technologies. After reading scores of Physics papers and found most of the funding on these paper were from DARPA I've discovered some things that are high on their list of priority to not only maintain but gain control of. They are not quite there YET.

    One of those things is regarding quantum computing and "security". They don't quite have a handle on it yet. Quantum "entanglement" is a puzzle and before they set out on this quest of quantum computing...they NEED to secure communication to the FULLEST.
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    Post  Carol Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:17 am

    In addition, if you take this to the next step it is easy enough to see where and how the dissolving microchip would it in. Especially if the goal was to have complete control over humanity.

    these tiny electronic devices are small enough to be injected and implanted without the recipient noticing. - “…many new opportunities open up once you start thinking about electronics that could disappear in a controlled and programmable way. Children could be traced, tracked and followed from cradle to grave…how convenient.”

    http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t6528-dissolving-micro-chip-will-tell-big-brother-your-every-move



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    Post  Brook Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:19 am

    Carol wrote:In addition, if you take this to the next step it is easy enough to see where and how the dissolving microchip would it in. Especially if the goal was to have complete control over humanity.

    these tiny electronic devices are small enough to be injected and implanted without the recipient noticing. - “…many new opportunities open up once you start thinking about electronics that could disappear in a controlled and programmable way. Children could be traced, tracked and followed from cradle to grave…how convenient.”


    http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t6528-dissolving-micro-chip-will-tell-big-brother-your-every-move

    Indeed it goes with the territory.
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    Post  Carol Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:23 am

    This is beyond Orwellian. Who is in control of this? ET clones? ET hybrids? Does one really think human beings would be interested in this type of control and monitoring?

    Mercuriel and I were also discussing the ET clones and how they had infiltrated the military world-wide in addition to various tech companies. Indeed a battle for who gets to control humanity is ongoing. If what Mercuriel has to say about what will happen around the end of November is accurate - we may have more on our hands then one can possibly imagine.


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    Post  Brook Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:31 am

    Carol wrote:This is beyond Orwellian. Who is in control of this? ET clones? ET hybrids? Does one really think human beings would be interested in this type of control and monitoring?

    Mercuriel and I were also discussing the ET clones and how they had infiltrated the military world-wide in addition to various tech companies. Indeed a battle for who gets to control humanity is ongoing. If what Mercuriel has to say about what will happen around the end of November is accurate - we may have more on our hands then one can possibly imagine.

    Mercuriel said something about The end of November? Because I know somebody who is knee deep in this stuff who alerted me to an "October surprise". Just before November eh? He would not tell me what it was and said "It would not be a surprise if he told me" but led me to believe it was political in nature. Funny thing coming from this guy because he is a Physics scientist. But he is also working on securing quantum entanglement signals. He boasts to be "privately funded".

    So for those who are curious...look for the "October surprise" I guess.

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