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    Post  orthodoxymoron Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:59 am

    A1 -- I am doing a lot of acting on this thread -- but it's sort of 'genuine acting' -- which helps me explore the Archangelic Queen of Heaven theme. Regarding the Ancient Egyptian Deity -- I'm NOT lying. I'm actually saying very little about them. I'm NOT a follower of the AED. We're not talking anymore -- or at least they are not presently dealing with me in the same way they did a couple of years ago (how time flies). What about those long-haired foxy-ladies who interacted with the Nazis?? Was that the VRIL Society?? The theory is that some sort of Queen runs the solar system -- and has been running the show for thousands of years. This is part fantasy -- and part attempting to match a theory with the evidence. This is a very passive and intuitive pursuit. This is very strange science-fiction!! You'd have to be me, to understand why I'm doing this. I don't particularly enjoy this -- and it is certainly NOT making me happy and successful. There are aspects of this madness that I really can't talk about. I'm doing a lot of reading between the lines -- and a lot of speculating.  But anyway, I will be out of everyone's misery in a couple of weeks. I wish I had never gotten involved in this mess. I wouldn't wish this on anyone -- but don't cry for me Argentina!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Spy3Nd2D6w Looking-Good and Making-Money seem to work SO much better in this solar system. Perhaps in my next life, I'll try that route. The road I've been on, this time around, has been a dead-end.

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    Orthodoxymoron Enduring Cruel Psychiatric-Experimentation in a Secret Nazi Mental Hospital on the Dark Side of the Moon!!
    A major aspect of this thread is the consideration of the possibility of a Good-Queen v Bad-Queen Power-Struggle of Two Sun-Gods, System-Lords, or Solar-Deities (as separate and distinct from the Creator God of the Universe). But 'Good' and 'Bad' are relative-terms -- aren't they?? Perhaps Anti-Human v Pro-Human might be more accurate. How am I to know?? I'm trying to remain neutral regarding everything in this thread -- even though it might not seem like it. I think the truth is nastier and more complex than we can possibly imagine. Read my suggested study-list (Deuteronomy, Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Solomon, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Lamentations, Ezekiel, Daniel, and Matthew). This should provide multiple clues regarding how nasty and complex things really are in this solar system -- especially if one adds Ancient High-Technology and Science-Fictional Scenarios. I don't think we have any idea. I really don't. In keeping with the Strong-Female Queen-Theme (of which there are both good and bad sides) consider Eva Peron. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Per%C3%B3n María Eva Duarte de Perón (7 May 1919 – 26 July 1952) was the second wife of Argentine President Juan Perón (1895–1974) and served as the First Lady of Argentina from 1946 until her death in 1952. She is usually referred to as Eva Perón (Spanish: [ˈeβa peˈɾon]), or by the affectionate Spanish language diminutive Evita.

    She was born in the village of Los Toldos in The Pampas, rural Argentina in 1919, the youngest of five children. In 1934, at the age of 15, she went to the nation's capital of Buenos Aires, where she pursued a career as a stage, radio, and film actress. Eva met Colonel Juan Perón on 22 January 1944, in Buenos Aires during a charity event at the Luna Park Stadium to benefit the victims of an earthquake in San Juan, Argentina. The two were married the following year. In 1946, Juan Perón was elected President of Argentina. Over the course of the next six years, Eva Perón became powerful within the pro-Peronist trade unions, primarily for speaking on behalf of labor rights. She also ran the Ministries of Labor and Health, founded and ran the charitable Eva Perón Foundation, championed women's suffrage in Argentina, and founded and ran the nation's first large-scale female political party, the Female Peronist Party.

    In 1951, Eva Perón announced her candidacy for the Peronist nomination for the office of Vice President of Argentina, receiving great support from the Peronist political base, low-income and working class Argentines who were referred to as descamisados or "shirtless ones". However, opposition from the nation's military and bourgeoisie, coupled with her declining health, ultimately forced her to withdraw her candidacy. In 1952, shortly before her death from cancer at the age of 33, Eva Perón was given the title of "Spiritual Leader of the Nation" by the Argentine Congress.[1][2][3] Eva Perón was given a state funeral upon her death, a prerogative generally reserved for heads of state.

    Eva Perón has become a part of international popular culture,[4] most famously as the subject of the musical Evita (1976).[5] Cristina Alvarez Rodriguez, Evita's great niece, claims that Evita has never left the collective consciousness of Argentines.[1] Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, the first female elected President of Argentina, claims that women of her generation owe a debt to Eva for "her example of passion and combativeness".[6]

    Early childhood

    Eva's autobiography, La Razón de mi Vida,[7] contains no dates or references to childhood occurrences, and does not list the location of her birth or her name at birth.[8] According to Junín's civil registry, a birth certificate shows that one María Eva Duarte was born on 7 May 1922. Her baptismal certificate, however, lists the date of birth as 7 May 1919 under the name Eva María Ibarguren.[9][10] It is believed that in 1945 the adult Eva Perón created a forgery of her birth certificate for her marriage.[11]

    Eva Perón spent her childhood in Junín, Buenos Aires province. Her parents, Juan Duarte and Juana Ibarguren (sometimes referred to as Doña Juana), were descended from Basque immigrants.[12] Juan Duarte was a wealthy rancher from nearby Chivilcoy, where he already had a wife and family. During this time period in rural Argentina, it was not uncommon to see a wealthy male with multiple families.[13] However, the lack of legitimacy for Juana and her children would still leave them stigmatized and rejected. Referred to as "bastards", the family was somewhat isolated. When Duarte suddenly passed away, and his mistress and their children made an attempt to attend his funeral, a small scandal erupted at the church gates. Though Juana and the children were permitted to pay respects to Duarte, they were promptly directed outside afterward. Mrs. Juan Duarte did not want her husband's mistress and children at the funeral, and as his legitimate wife, her orders were respected. Eva would never forget the bitter memory of having her mother and siblings thrown out of her father's funeral.

    Previously, Eva being only a year old, Duarte had permanently returned to his legal family, leaving Juana Ibarguren and her large brood destitute, in severe penury. Ibarguren and her children were forced to move to the poorest area of Junín. Los Toldos was an exceedingly poor village of Las Pampas. Barefoot children who lived in dirt floored shacks was the norm in Los Toldos. Las Pampas was known for being a very dusty region, and Los Toldos was viewed as a dreary, desolate place of abject poverty. In order to support herself and her children, Ibarguren sewed clothes for neighbors. The family was stigmatized by the abandonment of the father, especially since Argentine law frowned upon illegitimate children. Eva allegedly destroyed her birth certificate in 1945 so as to erase this part of her past.[11][14]

    Junín

    Prior to abandoning Juana Ibarguren, Juan Duarte had been her sole means of support. Biographer John Barnes writes that after this abandonment, all Duarte left to the family was a document declaring that the children were his, thus enabling them to use the Duarte surname.[15] Soon after, Juana moved her children to a one-room apartment in Junín, a miserable arrangement for such a large family. In order to pay the rent on their single-roomed home, mother and daughters took up jobs as cooks in the houses of the local estancias.

    Eventually, owing to Eva's older brother's financial help, the family moved into a bigger house, which they later transformed into a boarding house.[11] During this time, young Eva often participated school plays and concerts. One of her favorite pastimes was the cinema. Though Eva's mother apparently had a few plans for Eva, wanting to marry her off to one of the local bachelors, Eva herself dreamed of becoming a famous actress.[15] Eva's love of acting was reinforced when, in October 1933, she played a small role in a school play called Arriba Estudiantes (Students Arise), which Barnes describes as "an emotional, patriotic, flag-waving melodrama."[15] After the play, Eva was determined to become a great actress.[15]

    Move to Buenos Aires

    In her autobiography, she explained that all the people from her own town who had been to the big cities described them as "marvelous places, where nothing was given but wealth."In 1934, at the age of 15, Eva escaped her poverty stricken village when she ran off with, according to popular myth, a young musician to the nation's capital of Buenos Aires. The young couple's relationship would end almost as quickly as it began, but Eva remained in glamorous Buenos Aires. There she embarked on an exciting adventure, pursuing jobs on stage, radio, and eventually became a film actress. Though never regarded as particularly talented on stage, Eva's beauty was certainly appreciated. Eva had a series of relationships, and via some of these men, she did acquire a number of her modeling appointments. This would be the beginning of Eva's detractors describing her as having been a woman who used men to get what she wanted. When Eva decided to bleach her raven black hair, the effect was striking and quite flattering to her creamy complexion. Eva would keep her hair blonde for the duration of her life. For Eva, Buenos Aires represented an escape from the misery that surrounded her in the provinces.[8]

    It is often reported that Eva Perón traveled to Buenos Aires by train with tango singer Agustín Magaldi.[4][15] However, biographers Marysa Navarro and Nicholas Fraser maintain that this is unlikely, as there is no record of the married Magaldi performing in Junín in 1934 (and, even if he had, he usually traveled with his wife). Eva's sisters maintain that Eva traveled to Buenos Aires with their mother. The sisters also claim that Doña Juana accompanied her daughter to an audition at a radio station, and arranged for Eva to live with the Bustamontes family, who were friends of the Duarte family.[16] While the method of Eva's escape from her bleak provincial surroundings is debated, she did begin a new life in Buenos Aires.

    Buenos Aires in the 1930s was the continent's most cosmopolitan and elegant metropolis, and soon became known as the 'Paris of South America.' As in any great European capital, the center of the city was filled with cafés, restaurants, theaters, movie houses, shops, and bustling crowds. In direct contrast to the glamour of the city, the 1930s were also years of great unemployment, poverty, and hunger in the capital, and many new arrivals from the interior were forced to live in tenements, squalid boardinghouses, and in outlying shantys that became known as villas miserias.[16]

    Upon arrival in Buenos Aires, Eva Duarte was faced with the difficulties of surviving without formal education or connections. The city was especially overcrowded during this period because of the migrations caused by the Great Depression. On 28 March 1935, she had her professional debut in the play The Perezes Misses, at the Comedias Theater.

    In 1936, Eva toured nationally with a theater company, worked as a model, and was cast in a few B-grade movie melodramas. In 1942, Eva experienced some economic stability when a company called Candilejas (sponsored by a soap manufacturer) hired her for a daily role in one of their radio dramas called Muy bien, which aired on Radio El Mundo (World Radio), the most important radio station in the country at that time.[4] Later that year, she signed a five-year contract with Radio Belgrano, which assured her a role in a popular historical-drama program called Great Women of History, in which she played Elizabeth I of England, Sarah Bernhardt and the last Tsarina of Russia. Eventually, Eva Duarte came to co-own the radio company. By 1943, Eva Duarte was earning five or six thousand pesos a month, making her one of the highest-paid radio actresses in the nation. Pablo Raccioppi, who jointly ran Radio El Mundo with Eva Duarte, is said to have not liked her, but to have noted that she was "thoroughly dependable."[17] Eva also had a short-lived film career, but none of the films in which she appeared were hugely successful. In one of her last films, La Cabalgata del Circo (The Circus Cavalcade), Eva played a young country girl who rivaled an older woman, the movie's star, Libertad Lamarque.

    As a result of her success with radio dramas and the films, Eva achieved some financial stability and its comforts. In 1942, she was able to move into her own apartment in the exclusive neighborhood of Recoleta, on 1567 Calle Posadas Street. The next year Eva began her career in politics, as one of the founders of the Argentine Radio Syndicate (ARA).[11] Again, however, some sources hint at a more scandalous lifestyle.

    Early relationship with Juan Perón

    On 15 January 1944, an earthquake occurred in the town of San Juan, Argentina, killing some 10,000 people. In response, Perón, who was then the Secretary of Labour, established a fund to raise money to aid the victims. He devised a plan to have an "artistic festival" as a fundraiser, and invited radio and film actors to participate. After a week of fundraising, all participants met at a gala held at Luna Park Stadium in Buenos Aires to benefit earthquake victims. It was at this gala, on 22 January 1944, that Eva Duarte first met Colonel Juan Perón.[18] Eva promptly became the colonel's mistress. Eva referred to the day she met her future husband as her "marvelous day".[19] Fraser and Navarro write that Juan Perón and Eva left the gala together at around two in the morning.[20]

    Fraser and Navarro claim that Eva Duarte had no knowledge of or interest in politics prior to meeting Perón. Therefore, she never argued with Perón or any of his inner circle, but merely absorbed what she heard.[21] Juan Perón later claimed in his memoir that he purposefully selected Eva as his pupil, and set out to create in her a "second I."[22] Fraser and Navarro, however, suggest that Juan Perón allowed Eva Duarte such intimate exposure and knowledge of his inner circle because of his age: he was 48 and she was 24 when they met each other. He had come to politics late in life, and was therefore free of preconceived ideas of how his political career should be conducted, and he was willing to accept whatever aid she offered him.[21]

    In May 1944, it was announced that broadcast performers must organize themselves into a union, and that this union would be the only one permitted to operate in Argentina. Shortly after the union formed, Eva Duarte was elected its president. Fraser and Navarro speculate that Juan Perón made the suggestion that performers create a union, and the other performers likely felt it was good politics to elect his mistress. Shortly after her election as president of the union, Eva Duarte began a daily program called Toward a Better Future, which dramatized in soap opera form the accomplishments of Juan Perón. Often, Perón's own speeches were played during the program. When she spoke, Eva Duarte spoke in ordinary language as a regular woman who wanted listeners to believe what she herself believed about Juan Perón.[23]

    Rise to power

    Juan Perón's arrest

    By early 1945, a group of Army officers called the GOU for "Grupo de Oficiales Unidos" (United Officers Group), nicknamed "The Colonels", had gained considerable influence within the Argentine government. President Pedro Pablo Ramírez became wary of Juan Perón's growing power within the government, but was unable to curb that power. On 24 February 1944, Ramírez signed his own resignation paper, which Fraser and Navarro claim was drafted by Juan Perón himself. Edelmiro Julián Farrell, a friend of Juan Perón, became President. Juan Perón returned to his job as Labor Minister. Fraser and Navarro claim that by this point, Perón was the most powerful man in the Argentine government.[24] On 9 October 1945 Juan Perón was arrested by his opponents within the government who feared that due to the strong support of the descamisados, the workers and the poor of the nation, Perón's popularity might eclipse that of the sitting president.

    Six days later, between 250,000 and 350,000 people gathered in front of the Casa Rosada, Argentina's government house, to demand Juan Perón's release, and their wish was granted. At 11 pm, Juan Perón stepped on to the balcony of the Casa Rosada and addressed the crowd. Biographer Robert D. Crassweller claims that this moment was very powerful because it was very dramatic and recalled many important aspects of Argentine history. Crassweller writes that Juan Perón enacted the role of a caudillo addressing his people in the tradition of Argentine leaders Rosas and Yrigoyen. Crassweller also claims that the evening contained "mystic overtones" of a "quasi-religious" nature.[25] Eva Perón has often been credited with organizing the rally of thousands that freed Juan Perón from prison on 17 October 1945. This version of events was popularized in the movie version of the Lloyd Webber musical. Most historians, however, agree that this version of events is unlikely.[26] At the time of Perón's imprisonment, Eva was still merely an actress. She had no political clout with the various labor unions that supported Perón, and it is claimed that she was not well-liked within Perón's inner circle, nor was she liked by many within the film and radio business at this point. When Juan Perón was imprisoned, Eva Duarte was suddenly disenfranchised. In reality, the massive rally that freed Perón from prison was organized by the various unions, such as General Labor Confederation, or CGT as they came to be known. To this day, the date of 17 October is something of a holiday for the Justicialist Party in Argentina (celebrated as Día de la Lealtad, or "Loyalty Day"). What would follow was shocking and nearly unheard of. The well connected and politically rising star, Juan Peron, actually married Eva. Despite Eva's childhood illegitimacy, and having an uncertain reputation, Peron was in love with Eva, and her loyal devotion to him even while he had been under arrest touched him deeply, and so he married her providing a respectability she had never known. Eva and Juan were married discreetly in a civil ceremony in Junín on 18 October 1945 and in a church wedding on 9 December 1945.

    1946 Presidential election victory

    After his release from prison, Juan Perón decided to campaign for the presidency of the nation, which he won in a landslide. Eva campaigned heavily for her husband during his 1946 presidential bid. Using her weekly radio show, she delivered powerful speeches with heavy populist rhetoric urging the poor to align themselves with Perón's movement. Though she had become wealthy from her radio and modeling success, she highlighted her own humble upbringing as a way of showing solidarity with the impoverished classes.

    Along with her husband, Eva visited every corner of the country, becoming the first woman in Argentina history to appear in public on the campaign trail with her husband. Eva's appearance alongside her husband often offended the establishment of the wealthy, the military, and those in political life. However, she was very popular with the general public who knew her from her radio and motion picture appearances. It was during this phase of her life that she first encouraged the Argentine population to refer to her not as "Eva Perón" but simply as "Evita", which is a Spanish diminutive or affectionate nickname roughly equivalent to "Little Eva" or "Evie."

    European tour

    In 1947, Eva embarked on a much-publicized "Rainbow Tour" of Europe, meeting with numerous dignitaries and heads of state, such as Francisco Franco and Pope Pius XII. Biographers Fraser and Navarro write that the tour had its genesis in an invitation the Spanish leader had extended to Juan Perón. For political reasons it was decided that Evita, rather than Juan Perón, should make the visit. Fraser and Navarro write that Argentina had only recently emerged from its "wartime quarantine" thus taking its place in the United Nations and improving relations with the United States. Therefore, a visit to Franco, with Salazar the last remaining west European authoritarian leader in power, would be diplomatically frowned upon internationally. Fraser and Navarro write that Eva decided that if Juan Perón would not accept Franco's invitation for a state visit to Spain, then she would. Advisors then decided that Eva should visit many European countries in addition to Spain. This would make it seem that Eva's sympathies were not specifically with Franco's fascist Spain but with all of Europe. The tour was billed not as a political tour but as a non-political "goodwill" tour.[27]

    Eva was well received in Spain, where she visited Capilla Real, the tombs of Spanish monarchs Ferdinand and Isabella. Francoist Spain had not recovered from the Spanish Civil War (the autarkic economy and the UN embargo meant that the country could not feed its people). During her visit to Spain, Eva handed out 100-peseta notes to many poor children she met on her journey. She also received from Franco the highest award given by the Spanish government, the Order of Isabella the Catholic.

    Eva then visited Rome, where the reception was not as warm as it had been in Spain. Though Pope Pius XII did not give her a Papal decoration, she was allowed the time usually allotted queens and was given a rosary. [28]

    Her next stop was France, where she was generally well received. She visited the Palace of Versailles, among other sites. She also met with Charles de Gaulle. She promised France two shipments of wheat.

    While in France, Eva received word that George VI would not receive her when she planned to visit Britain, regardless of what his Foreign Office might advise,[29] and that her visit would not be viewed as a state visit. Fraser and Navarro wrote that Eva regarded the royal family's refusal to meet her as a snub, and canceled the trip to the United Kingdom. Eva, however, gave "exhaustion" as the official reason for not going on to Britain.

    Eva also visited Switzerland during her European tour, a visit that has been viewed as the worst part of the trip. According to the book Evita: A Biography by John Barnes, while she traveled down a street with many people crowding her car, someone threw two stones and smashed the windshield. She threw her hands up in shock, but was not injured. Later, while sitting with the Foreign Minister, protesters threw tomatoes at her. The tomatoes hit the Foreign Minister and splattered on Eva's dress. After these two events, Eva had had enough, and after two months, returned to Argentina.

    Members of the Peronist opposition speculated that the true purpose of the European tour was to deposit funds in a Swiss bank account. "The opposition in Buenos Aires", write Fraser and Navarro, "assumed that the genuine purpose of the whole European visit was for Eva and her brother to deposit money in Swiss bank accounts, and that the rest had been devised to conceal this. Many wealthy Argentines did this, but there are many more convenient and less conspicuous ways of depositing money in Swiss accounts than meeting the Swiss Foreign Minister and being shown around a watch factory."[30] Fraser and Navarro conclude, "Was there a Swiss bank account? It seems unlikely."[31]

    During her tour to Europe, Eva Perón was featured in a cover story for Time magazine. The cover's caption–"Eva Perón: Between two worlds, an Argentine rainbow"–was a reference to the name given to Eva's European tour, The Rainbow Tour. This was the only time in the periodical's history that a South American first lady appeared alone on its cover (in 1951, Eva appeared again with Juan Perón). However, the 1947 cover story was also the first publication to mention that Eva had been born out of wedlock. In retaliation, the periodical was banned from Argentina for several months.[32]

    After returning to Argentina from Europe, Evita never again appeared in public with the complicated hairdos of her movie star days. The brilliant gold color became more subdued in tone, and even the style changed, her hair being pulled back severely into a heavy braided chignon. Additionally, her extravagant clothing became more refined after the tour. No longer did she wear the elaborate hats and form-fitting dresses of Argentine designers. Soon she adopted simpler and more fashionable Paris couture and became particularly attached to the fashions of Christian Dior and the jewels of Cartier. In an attempt to cultivate a more serious political persona, Eva began to appear in public wearing conservative though stylish tailleurs (a business-like combination of skirts and jackets), which also were made by Dior and other Paris couture houses.

    Charitable and feminist works

    Eva Perón Foundation

    The Sociedad de Beneficencia (Society of Beneficence), a charity group made up of 87 society ladies, was responsible for most charity works in Buenos Aires prior to the election of Juan Perón. Fraser and Navarro write that at one point the Sociedad had been an enlightened institution, caring for orphans and homeless women, but that those days had long since passed by the time of the first term of Juan Perón. In the 1800s, the Sociedad had been supported by private contributions, largely those of the husbands of the society ladies. But by the 1940s, the Sociedad was supported by the government.[4]

    It had been the tradition of the Sociedad to elect the First Lady of Argentina as president of the charity. But the ladies of the Sociedad did not approve of Eva Perón's impoverished background, lack of formal education, and former career as an actress. Fraser and Navarro write that the ladies of the Sociedad were afraid that Evita would set a bad example for the orphans, therefore the society ladies did not extend to Evita the position of president of their organization. It has often been said that Evita had the government funding for the Sociedad cut off in retaliation. Fraser and Navarro suggest that this version of events is in dispute, but that the government funding that had previously supported the Sociedad now went to support Evita's own foundation. The Fundación María Eva Duarte de Perón was created on 8 July 1948. It was later renamed to, simply, the Eva Perón Foundation. Its funding began with 10,000 pesos provided by Evita herself.[33]

    In The Woman with the Whip, the first English language biography of Eva Perón, author Mary Main writes that no account records were kept for the foundation because it was merely a means of funneling government money into private Swiss bank accounts controlled by the Peróns.[34] Fraser and Navarro, however, counter these claims, writing that Ramón Cereijo, Minister of Finance, kept records, and that the foundation "began as the simplest response to the poverty (Evita) encountered each day in her office" and "the appalling backwardness of social services—or charity, as it was still called—in Argentina."[35] Crassweller writes that the foundation was supported by donations of cash and goods from the Peronist unions, private businesses, and that the Confederación General del Trabajo donated three man-days (later reduced to two) of salary for every worker per year. Tax on lottery and movie tickets also helped to support the foundation, as did a levy on casino and revenue from horse races. Crassweller also notes that there were some cases of businesses being pressured to donate to the foundation, with negative repercussions resulting if requests for donations were not met.[36]

    Within a few years, the foundation had assets in cash and goods in excess of three billion pesos, or over $200 million at the exchange rate of the late 1940s. It employed 14,000 workers, of whom 6,000 were construction workers, and 26 priests. It purchased and distributed annually 400,000 pairs of shoes, 500,000 sewing machines, 200,000 cooking pots. The foundation also gave scholarships, built homes, hospitals, and other charitable institutions. Every aspect of the foundation was under Evita's supervision. The foundation also built entire communities, such as Evita City, which still exists today. Fraser and Navarro claim that due to the works and health services of the foundation, for the first time in history there was no inequality in Argentine health care.[37]

    Fraser and Navarro write that it was Evita's work with the foundation that played a large role in her idealization, even leading some to consider her a saint. Though it was unnecessary from a practical standpoint, Evita set aside many hours per day to meet with the poor who requested help from her foundation. During these meetings with the poor, Evita often kissed the poor and allowed them to kiss her. Evita was even witnessed placing her hands in the suppurated wounds of the sick and poor, touching the leprous, and kissing the syphilitic. Fraser and Navarro write that though Argentina is secular in many respects, it is essentially a Catholic country. Therefore, when Evita kissed the syphilitic and touched the leprous she "...ceased to be the President's wife and acquired some of the characteristics of saints depicted in Catholicism." Poet José María Castiñeira de Dios, a man from a wealthy background, reflected on the times he witnessed Evita meeting with the poor: "I had had a sort of literary perception of the people and the poor and she had given me a Christian one, thus allowing me to become a Christian in the profoundest sense...."[38]

    Fraser and Navarro write that toward the end of her life, Evita was working as many as 20 to 22 hours per day in her foundation, often ignoring her husband's request that she cut back on her workload and take the weekends off. The more she worked with the poor in her foundation, the more she adopted an outraged attitude toward the existence of poverty, saying, "Sometimes I have wished my insults were slaps or lashes. I've wanted to hit people in the face to make them see, if only for a day, what I see each day I help the people."[39] Crassweller writes that Evita became fanatical about her work in the foundation and felt on a crusade against the very concept and existence of poverty and social ills. "It is not surprising", writes Crassweller, "that as her public crusades and her private adorations took on a narrowing intensity after 1946, they simultaneously veered toward the transcendental." Crassweller compares Evita to Ignatius Loyola, saying she came to be akin to a one-woman Jesuit Order.[40]

    Female Peronist Party and women's suffrage

    Biographers Fraser and Navarro wrote that Eva Perón has often been credited with gaining the right to vote for Argentine women. While Eva did make radio addresses in support of women's suffrage and also published articles in her Democracia newspaper asking male Peronists to support women's right to vote, ultimately the ability to grant to women the right to vote was beyond Eva's powers. Fraser and Navarro claim that Eva's actions were limited to supporting a bill introduced by one of her supporters, Eduardo Colom, a bill that was eventually dropped.

    A new women's suffrage bill was introduced, which the Senate of Argentina sanctioned on 21 August 1946. It was necessary to wait more than a year before the House of Representatives sanctioned it on 9 September 1947. Law 13,010 established the equality of political rights between men and women and universal suffrage in Argentina. Finally, Law 13,010 was approved unanimously. In a public celebration and ceremony, however, Juan Perón signed the law granting women the right to vote, and then he handed the bill to Eva, symbolically making it hers.

    Eva Perón then created the Female Peronist Party, the first large female political party in the nation. Navarro and Fraser write that by 1951, the party had 500,000 members and 3,600 headquarters across the country. Navarro and Fraser write that while Eva Perón did not consider herself a feminist, her impact on the political life of women was decisive. Thousands of previously apolitical women entered politics because of Eva Perón. They were the first women active in Argentine politics. The combination of female suffrage and the organization of the Female Peronist Party granted Juan Perón a large majority (sixty-three percent) of the vote in the 1951 presidential elections.

    1951 Presidential election

    Vice Presidential nomination

    In 1951, Evita set her sights on earning a place on the ballot as candidate for vice-president. This move angered many military leaders who despised Evita and her increasing powers within the government. According to the Argentine Constitution, the Vice President automatically succeeds the President in the event of the President's death. The possibility of Evita becoming president in the event of Juan Perón's death was not something the military could accept.[4]

    She did, however, receive great support from the working class, the unions, and the Peronist Women's Party. The intensity of the support she drew from these groups is said to have surprised even Juan Perón himself. Fraser and Navarro write that the wide support Evita's proposed candidacy generated indicated to him that Evita had become as important to members of the Peronist party as Juan Perón himself was.[41]

    On 22 August 1951, the unions held a mass rally of two million people called "Cabildo Abierto." (The name "Cabildo Abierto" was a reference and tribute to the first local Argentine government of the May Revolution, in 1810.) The Peróns addressed the crowd from the balcony of a huge scaffolding set up on the Avenida 9 de Julio, several blocks away from the Casa Rosada, the official government house of Argentina. Overhead were two large portraits of Eva and Juan Perón. It has been claimed that "Cabildo Abierto" was the largest public display of support in history for a female political figure.[16]

    At the mass rally, the crowd demanded that Evita publicly announce her candidacy as vice president. She pleaded for more time to make her decision. The exchange between Evita and the crowd of two million became, for a time, a genuine and spontaneous dialogue, with the crowd chanting, "¡Evita, Vice-Presidente!" When Evita asked for more time so she could make up her mind, the crowd demanded, "¡Ahora, Evita, ahora!" ("Now, Evita, now!"). Eventually, they came to a compromise. Evita told the audience that she would announce her decision over the radio a few days later.

    Declining health

    Eventually, she declined the invitation to run for vice-president, saying that her only ambition was that—in the large chapter of history that would be written about her husband—the footnotes would mention a woman who brought the "...hopes and dreams of the people to the president", a woman who eventually turned those hopes and dreams into "glorious reality." In Peronist rhetoric, this event has come to be referred to as "The Renouncement", portraying Evita as having been a selfless woman in line with the Hispanic myth of marianismo. Most biographers, however, postulate that Evita did not so much renounce her ambition, as bow to pressure from her husband, the military, and the Argentine upper class, who preferred that she not enter the race.

    On January 9, 1950, Evita fainted in public and underwent surgery three days later. Although it was reported that she had undergone an appendectomy, she was diagnosed with advanced cervical cancer.[42] Fainting continued through 1951 (including the evening after "Cabildo abierto"), with extreme weakness and severe vaginal bleeding. By 1951, it had become evident that her health was rapidly deteriorating. Although her diagnosis was withheld from her by Juan,[43] she knew she was not well, and a bid for the vice-presidency was not practical. Only a few months after "the Renouncement", Evita underwent a secret radical hysterectomy in an attempt to eradicate her advanced cervical cancer.[44] In 2011, a Yale neurosurgeon studied Evita's skull x-rays and photographic evidence and said that Perón may have been given a prefrontal lobotomy in the last months of her life, "...to relieve the pain, agitation and anxiety she suffered in the final months of her illness."[45]

    Re-election and Spiritual Leader of the Nation

    On 4 June 1952, Evita rode with Juan Perón in a parade through Buenos Aires in celebration of his re-election as President of Argentina. Evita was by this point so ill that she was unable to stand without support. Underneath her oversized fur coat was a frame made of plaster and wire that allowed her to stand. She took a triple dose of pain medication before the parade, and took another two doses when she returned home.

    In a ceremony a few days after Juan Perón's second inauguration, Evita was given the official title of "Spiritual Leader of the Nation."

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    Death and funeral

    Although Evita had undergone a hysterectomy by the American surgeon George T. Pack,[46] the cancer had metastasized and returned rapidly.[44] She was the first Argentine to undergo chemotherapy (a novel treatment at that time). Despite all available treatment, she became emaciated, weighing only 36 kg (79 lb) by June 1952. Evita died at the age of 33, at 8:25 p.m., on 26 July 1952. The news was immediately broadcast throughout the country, and Argentina went into mourning. All activity in Argentina ceased; movies stopped playing; restaurants were closed and patrons were shown to the door. A radio broadcast interrupted the broadcasting schedule, with the announcer reading, "The Press Secretary's Office of the Presidency of the Nation fulfills its very sad duty to inform the people of the Republic that at 20:25 hours Mrs. Eva Perón, Spiritual Leader of the Nation, died."[47]

    Eva Perón was granted a state funeral and a full Roman Catholic requiem mass.[47] On the 9th of August, Saturday, the body was transferred to the Congress Building for an additional day of public viewing. On Sunday the 10th of August, after a final Sunday mass, the coffin was laid atop on a gun carriage pulled by CGT officials. Following was Peron, his cabinet, Eva's family and friends, the delegates and representatives of the Partido Peronista Femenino—then workers, nurses and students of the Eva Peron Foundation. Flowers were thrown from balconies and windows.

    Mourning

    On Eva Perón's death, the government suspended all official activities for two days and ordered all flags flown at half-staff for ten days. It soon became apparent, however, that these measures fell short of reflecting popular grief. The crowd outside of the presidential residence grew dense, congesting the streets for ten blocks in each direction. Later, while Evita's body was being moved, eight people were crushed to death in the throngs. In the following 24 hours, over 2000 people were treated in city hospitals for injuries sustained in the rush to be near Evita as her body was being transported from the presidential residence to the Ministry of Labour building.

    The streets of Buenos Aires overflowed with huge piles of flowers stacked. Within a day of Evita's death, all flower shops in Buenos Aires had run out of stock. Despite the fact that Eva Perón never held a political office, she was eventually given an official funeral usually reserved for a head of state.[48] A memorial was held for the Argentine team during the 1952 Summer Olympics in Helsinki due to Eva Perón's death during those games.[49]

    There were different interpretations of the popular mourning of Eva Perón's death. Some reporters viewed that the mourning was authentic, while others felt that the popular grief was merely the result of the public succumbing to the "passion plays" of the Peronist regime. For example, according to a Time magazine article published on 11 August 1952 entitled "In Mourning", the Peronist government enforced the beginning of daily periods of five minutes of mourning, following the daily radio announcement.[50]

    During Evita's time, children born to unmarried parents did not have the same legal rights as those born to married parents. Biographer Julie M. Taylor, professor of anthropology at Rice University,[51] has said that Evita was well aware of the pain of being born "illegitimate." Taylor speculates that Evita's awareness of this may have influenced her decision to have the law changed so that "illegitimate" children would henceforth be referred to as "natural" children.[52] Upon her death, the Argentine public was told that Evita was only 30. The discrepancy was meant to dovetail with Evita's earlier tampering with her birth certificate. After becoming the first lady in 1946, Evita had her birth records altered to read that she had been born to married parents, and placed her birth date three years forward, making herself younger.[4]

    Memorial plans

    Shortly after Evita's death, Dr. Pedro Ara was approached to embalm the body. Fraser and Navarro write that it is doubtful that Evita ever expressed a wish to be embalmed, and suggest that it was most likely Juan Perón's decision. Dr. Ara was a professor of anatomy who had studied in Vienna and maintained an academic career in Madrid. His work was occasionally referred to as "the art of death." His highly advanced embalming technique consisted of replacing the corpse's blood with glycerine, which preserved all organs including the brain and created a lifelike appearance, giving the body the appearance of "artistically rendered sleep." Dr. Ara was known in Buenos Aires society for his work. Among the people he had embalmed was Spanish composer Manuel de Falla.[53] Dr. Ara claims that his embalming of Evita's corpse began on the night of her death and that by the next morning, "the body of Eva Perón was completely and infinitely incorruptible" and suitable for display to the public.[54]

    In the book Peron and the Enigmas of Argentina, biographer Robert D. Crassweller claims that the English-speaking nations of North America and Europe largely misunderstood Argentina's response to the death of Eva Perón as well as the ornate funeral she was granted. Crassweller attributes this misunderstanding to the unique cultural makeup of the Peróns and Argentina, saying that the Peróns were of the Hispanic tradition and that their opposition was largely of British ancestry:

    Almost lost among the memories of Evita that have caught the imagination of the world there was another that has been little noted but whose importance is considerable: the legacy of incomprehension. Her brief and dazzling years were so successful because, in good part, she was so profoundly of the ethos. 'I have the body and the soul and the blood of the people.' But it was the ethos of the old, Hispanic-Creole tradition, born in the interior out of Lima and nurtured on the Pampas. Like Perón, she was wholly indigenous in origin, formation, and spirit; like him, she was distrusted and misunderstood in the Argentina of the Liberal System and in the outside world that knew only that Argentina.The same was true with regard to Evita's dramatised death during her last ten months, the dying in public that she sought as confirmation of her devotion. Such an attitude toward mortality is a variation of the old Hispanic preoccupation with death and with the dignity and splendour associated with it. It had by then faded away in most of the European Catholic societies and it is unknown in the English-speaking nations. Therefore, many saw her ordeal and the response of Perón and of the vast public as elements in an essentially political passion play, an attempt to milk some sympathy and benefit out of what should have been a private tragedy. It was simply the legacy of incomprehension, the same legacy that made it impossible for Evita and Perón to grasp fully the emotional intensity of much of the world reaction to the seizure of La Prensa, or other repressions of the Peronato [meaning what?]. Thus Evita lived and died, an object of wonder to the world and a memorial to the inability of one ethos truly to understand another.[55]
    Disappearance and return of corpse[edit source]

    Shortly after Evita's death, plans were made to construct a memorial in her honour. The monument, which was to be a statue of a man representing the descamisados, was projected to be larger than the Statue of Liberty. Evita's body was to be stored in the base of the monument and, in the tradition of Lenin's corpse, to be displayed for the public. While the monument was being constructed, Evita's embalmed body was displayed in her former office at the CGT building for almost two years. Before the monument to Evita was completed, Juan Perón was overthrown in a military coup, the Revolución Libertadora, in 1955. Perón hastily fled the country and did not make arrangements to secure Evita's body.

    Following his flight, a military dictatorship took power. The new authorities removed Evita's body from display, and its whereabouts were a mystery for 16 years. From 1955 until 1971, the military dictatorship of Argentina issued a ban on Peronism. It became illegal not only to possess pictures of Juan and Eva Perón in one's home, but to speak their names. In 1971, the military revealed that Evita's body was buried in a crypt in Milan, Italy, under the name "María Maggi." It appeared that her body had been damaged during its transport and storage, such as compressions to her face and disfigurement of one of her feet due to the body having been left in an upright position.

    In 1995, Tomás Eloy Martínez published Santa Evita, a fictionalized work propounding many new stories about the escapades of the corpse. Allegations that her body was the object of inappropriate attentions are derived from his description of an 'emotional necrophilia' by embalmers Koenig and his assistant Arancibia. Many primary and secondary references to his novel have inaccurately stated that her body had been defiled in some way resulting in the widespread belief in this myth. Also included are allegations that many wax copies had been made, that the corpse had been damaged with a hammer, and that one of the wax copies was the object of an officer's sexual attentions.[56]

    Final resting place

    In 1971, Evita's body was exhumed and flown to Spain, where Juan Perón maintained the corpse in his home. Juan and his third wife, Isabel, decided to keep the corpse in their dining room on a platform near the table. In 1973, Juan Perón came out of exile and returned to Argentina, where he became president for the third time. Perón died in office in 1974. His third wife, Isabel Perón, whom he had married on 15 November 1961, and who had been elected vice-president, succeeded him. She became the first female president in the Western Hemisphere. Isabel had Evita's body returned to Argentina and (briefly) displayed beside Juan Perón's. Evita's body was later buried in the Duarte family tomb in La Recoleta Cemetery, Buenos Aires.

    The Argentine government took elaborate measures to make Evita's tomb secure. The tomb's marble floor has a trapdoor that leads to a compartment containing two coffins. Under that compartment is a second trapdoor and a second compartment. That is where Evita's coffin rests. Biographers Marysa Navarro and Nicholas Fraser write that the claim is often made that Evita's tomb is so secure that it could withstand a nuclear attack. "It reflects a fear", they write, "a fear that the body will disappear from the tomb and that the woman, or rather the myth of the woman, will reappear."[57] Located in the northern part of barrio Recoleta, the cemetery is the burial place of many illustrious military generals, presidents, scientists, poets and other prominent Argentinians.

    Legacy and criticism

    "In all of Latin America, only one other woman has aroused an emotion, devotion and faith comparable to those awakened by the Virgin of Guadalupe. In many homes, the image of Evita is on the wall next to the Virgin."[58]

    In his essay titled "Latin America" published in The Oxford Illustrated History of Christianity, John McManners claims that the appeal and success of Eva Perón is related to Latin American mythology and concepts of divinity. McManners claims that Eva Perón consciously incorporated aspects of the mythology of the Virgin and of Mary Magdalene into her public persona.[59] Historian Hubert Herring has described Eva Perón as "Perhaps the shrewdest woman yet to appear in public life in Latin America."[60]

    In a 1996 interview, Tomás Eloy Martínez referred to Eva Perón as "the Cinderella of the tango and the Sleeping Beauty of Latin America." Martínez suggested she has remained an important cultural icon for the same reasons as fellow Argentine Che Guevara:

    "Latin American myths are more resistant than they seem to be. Not even the mass exodus of the Cuban raft people or the rapid decomposition and isolation of Fidel Castro's regime have eroded the triumphal myth of Che Guevara, which remains alive in the dreams of thousands of young people in Latin America, Africa and Europe. Che as well as Evita symbolize certain naive, but effective, beliefs: the hope for a better world; a life sacrificed on the altar of the disinherited, the humiliated, the poor of the earth. They are myths which somehow reproduce the image of Christ."[61]

    Although not a government holiday, the anniversary of Eva Perón's death is marked by many Argentines each year. Additionally, Eva Perón has been featured on Argentine coins, and a form of Argentine currency called "Evitas" was named in her honor.[62] Ciudad Evita (Evita City), which was established by the Eva Perón Foundation in 1947, is located just outside Buenos Aires.

    Cristina Kirchner, the first elected female president in Argentinian history, is a Peronist who has occasionally been referred to as "The New Evita." Kirchner says she does not want to compare herself to Evita, claiming she was a unique phenomenon in Argentine history. Kirchner also says that women of her generation, who came of age in the 1970s during the military dictatorships in Argentina, owe a debt to Evita for offering an example of passion and combativeness.[6] On 26 July 2002, the 50th anniversary of Eva Perón's death, a museum opened in her honor called Museo Evita. The museum, created by her great-niece Cristina Alvarez Rodriquez, houses many of Eva Perón's clothes, portraits, and artistic renderings of her life, and has become a popular tourist attraction. The museum was opened in a building that was once used by the Eva Perón Foundation.[63]

    In the book Eva Perón: The Myths of a Woman, cultural anthropologist Julie M. Taylor claims that Evita has remained important in Argentina due to the combination of three unique factors:

    "In the images examined, the three elements consistently linked—femininity, mystical or spirituality power, and revolutionary leadership—display an underlying common theme. Identification with any one of these elements puts a person or a group at the margins of established society and at the limits of institutional authority. Anyone who can identify with all three images lays an overwhelming and echoing claim to dominance through forces that recognize no control in society or its rules. Only a woman can embody all three elements of this power."[64]

    Taylor argues that the fourth factor in Evita's continued importance in Argentina relates to her status as a dead woman and the power that death holds over the public imagination. Taylor suggests that Evita's embalmed corpse is analogous to the incorruptibility of various Catholic saints, such as Bernadette Soubirous, and has powerful symbolism within the largely Catholic cultures of Latin America.

    "To some extent her continuing importance and popularity may be attributed not only to her power as a woman but also to the power of the dead. However, a society's vision of the afterlife may be structured, death by its nature remains a mystery, and, until society formally allays the commotion it causes, a source of disturbance and disorder. Women and the dead— death and womanhood —stand in similar relation to structured social forms: outside public institutions, unlimited by official rules, and beyond formal categories. As a female corpse reiterating the symbolic themes of both woman and martyr, Eva Perón perhaps lays double claim to spiritual leadership."[65]

    In 2011, two giant murals of Evita were unveiled on the building facades of the current Ministry of Social Development, located on 9 de Julio Avenue. The works were painted by Argentine artist Alejandro Marmo. On July 26, 2012, to commemorate the sixtieth anniversary of Evita's death, tickets were issued in a value of 100 pesos. The controversial effigy of Julio Argentino Roca was replaced by that of Eva Duarte, making her the first actual woman to be featured on the currency of Argentina. The image in the notes is based on a 1952 design, whose sketch was found in the Mint, made by the engraver Sergio Pilosio with artist Roger Pfund. The printing totals 20 million tickets; it is not clear whether the government will replace the notes that feature Roca and the Desert Campaign.

    Allegations of fascism

    On 9 April 1951, Golda Meir, then Labor Minister of Israel, met with Eva Perón to thank her for the aid the Eva Perón Foundation had given to Israel.
    Biographers Nicholas Fraser and Marysa Navarro write that Juan Perón's opponents had from the start accused Perón of being a fascist. Spruille Braden, a diplomat from the United States who was greatly supported by Juan Perón's opponents, campaigned against Juan Perón's first candidacy on the platform that Juan Perón was a fascist and a Nazi. Fraser and Navarro also theorize that the perception of the Peróns as fascists was enhanced during Evita's 1947 European tour during which she was a guest of honor of Francisco Franco. By 1947, Franco had become politically isolated as one of the few remaining fascists to retain power. Franco, therefore, was in desperate need of a political ally. With nearly a third of Argentina's population of Spanish descent, it seemed natural for Argentina to have diplomatic relations with Spain. Commenting on the international perception of Evita during her 1947 European tour, Fraser and Navarro write, "It was inevitable that Evita be viewed in a fascist context. Therefore, both Evita and Perón were seen to represent an ideology which had run its course in Europe, only to re-emerge in an exotic, theatrical, even farcical form in a faraway country."[66]

    Laurence Levine, the former president of the U.S.-Argentine Chamber of Commerce, writes that in contrast to Nazi ideology, the Peróns were not anti-Semitic. In the book Inside Argentina from Perón to Menem: 1950–2000 from an American Point of View, Levine writes:

    "The American government demonstrated no knowledge of Perón's deep admiration for Italy (and his distaste for Germany, whose culture he found too rigid). Nor did they appreciate that although anti-Semitism existed in Argentina, Perón's own views and his political associations were not anti-Semitic. They paid no attention to the fact that Perón sought out the Jewish community in Argentina to assist in developing his policies and that one of his most important allies in organizing the industrial sector was José Ber Gelbard, a Jewish immigrant from Poland."[67]

    Biographer Robert D. Crassweller writes, "Peronism was not fascism", and "Peronism was not Nazism." Crassweller also refers to the comments of U.S. Ambassador George S. Messersmith. While visiting Argentina in 1947, Messersmith made the following statement: "There is not as much social discrimination against Jews here as there is right in New York or in most places at home."[68]

    In his review of the 1996 movie Evita, movie critic Roger Ebert criticized Eva Perón, writing, "She let down the poor, shirtless ones by providing a glamorous facade for a fascist dictatorship, by salting away charity funds, and by distracting from her husband's tacit protection of Nazi war criminals."[69] Time Magazine later published an article by Tomás Eloy Martínez—Argentine writer, journalist, and former director of the Latin American program at Rutgers University—titled "The Woman Behind the Fantasy: Prostitute, Fascist, Profligate—Eva Peron Was Much Maligned, Mostly Unfairly". In this article, Martínez writes that the accusations that Eva Perón was a fascist, a Nazi, and a thief had been made against her for decades. He said the allegations were untrue:

    "She was not a fascist—ignorant, perhaps, of what that ideology meant. And she was not greedy. Though she liked jewelry, furs and Dior dresses, she could own as many as she desired without the need to rob others.... In 1964 Jorge Luis Borges stated that 'the mother of that woman [Evita]' was 'the madam of a whorehouse in Junín.' He repeated the calumny so often that some still believe it or, more commonly, think Evita herself, whose lack of sex appeal is mentioned by all who knew her, apprenticed in that imaginary brothel. Around 1955 the pamphleteer Silvano Satander employed the same strategy to concoct letters in which Evita figures as an accomplice of the Nazis. It is true that (Juan) Perón facilitated the entrance of Nazi criminals to Argentina in 1947 and 1948, thereby hoping to acquire advanced technology developed by the Germans during the war. But Evita played no part. She was far from being a saint, despite the veneration of millions of Argentines, but she was not a villain either."[70]

    In his 2002 doctoral dissertation at Ohio State University, Lawrence D. Bell writes that the governments that preceded Juan Perón had been anti-Semitic but that his government was not. Juan Perón "eagerly and enthusiastically" attempted to recruit the Jewish community into his government and set up a branch of the Peronist party for Jewish members, known as the

    Organización Israelita Argentina (OIA). Perón's government was the first to court the Argentine Jewish community and the first to appoint Jewish citizens to public office.[71] Kevin Passmore writes that the Peronist regime, more than any other in Latin America, has been accused of being fascist. But he says that the Peronist regime was not fascist, and what passed for fascism under Perón never took hold in Latin America. Additionally, because the Peronist regime allowed rival political parties to exist, it cannot be described as totalitarian.[72]

    International popular culture

    See also: Cultural depictions of Eva Perón

    By the late 20th century, Eva Perón had become the subject of numerous articles, books, stage plays, and musicals, ranging from the biography The Woman with the Whip to a 1981 TV movie called Evita Perón with Faye Dunaway in the title role.[73] The most successful rendering of Eva Perón's life has been the musical production Evita. The musical began as a concept album co-produced by Tim Rice and Andrew Lloyd Webber, with Julie Covington in the title role. Elaine Paige was later cast in the title role when the concept album was adapted into a musical stage production in London's West End. In 1980, Patti LuPone won the Tony Award for Best Leading Actress in a Musical for her performance as the title character. Nicholas Fraser claims that to date "the musical stage production has been performed on every continent except Antarctica and has generated over $2 billion in revenue."[74]

    As early as 1978, the musical was considered as the basis for a movie. After a nearly 20-year production delay, Madonna was cast in the title role for the film version and won the Golden Globe Award for "Best Actress in a Musical or Comedy." In response to the American film, and in an alleged attempt to offer a more politically accurate depiction of Evita's life, an Argentine film company released Eva Perón: The True Story. The Argentine production starred actress Esther Goris in the title role. This movie was the 1996 Argentine submission for the Oscar in the category of "Best Foreign Language Film."

    Nicholas Fraser writes that Evita is the perfect popular culture icon for our times because her career foreshadowed what, by the late 20th century, had become common. During Evita's time it was considered scandalous for a former entertainer to take part in public political life. Her detractors in Argentina had often accused Evita of turning public political life into show business. But by the late 20th century, Fraser claims, the public had become engrossed in the cult of celebrity and public political life had become insignificant. In this regard, Evita was perhaps ahead of her time. Fraser also writes that Evita's story is appealing to our celebrity-obsessed age because her story confirms one of Hollywood's oldest clichés, the rags to riches story.[76] Reflecting on Eva Perón's popularity more than half a century after her death, Alma Guillermoprieto writes that, "Evita's life has evidently just begun."[77]

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    Guillermoprieto, Alma (2002). Looking for History: Dispatches from Latin America. Vintage. ISBN 0-375-72582-2.
    Lerner, BH (2000). "The illness and death of Eva Perón: cancer, politics, and secrecy". Lancet (355): 1988–1991.
    Levine, Lawrence. Inside Argentina from Perón to Menem: 1950–2000 From an American Point of View. ISBN 0-9649247-7-3.
    Main, Mary (1980). Evita: The Woman with the Whip. ISBN 0-396-07834-6.
    McManners, John (2001). The Oxford Illustrated History of Christianity. Oxford University Press. ISBN 0-19-285439-9.
    Naipaul, V.S. (1980). The Return of Eva Perón. Alfred A. Knopf.
    Dujovne Ortiz, Alicia. Eva Perón. St. Martin's Press. ISBN 0-312-14599-3. Unknown parameter |unused_data= ignored (help)
    Perón, Eva (1952). La Razón de mi vida. Buro Editors.
    Juan Pablo Queiroz, Tomas De Elia (ed.). Evita: An Intimate Portrait of Eva Peron.
    Rousso-Lenoir, Fabienne. America Latina. ISBN 2-84323-335-6.
    Taylor, Julie M. Eva Perón: The Myths of a Woman. ISBN 0-226-79143-2.

    Further reading

    Guareschi, Roberto (5 November 2005). "Not quite the Evita of Argentine legend". New Straits Times, p. 21.
    The Evolution of Eva Perón in the North American Consciousness
    Buenos Aires: Home of Evita, Forever Young and Beautiful by Graham Reid, The New Zealand Herald, 7 May 2009
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    EAST OF GIZA? THE QUEST FOR THE HISTORICAL HORUS?
    Possible Pecking Order:

    Ancient Egyptian/Atlantian Old World Order? Osiris (Adam?) and Isis (Kate?) ruling behind the scenes, with Ra (Cal?) and Horus (Aaron?) serving as Pharaohs (or equivalent)?

    1. Osiris?
    2. Isis?
    3. Horus? (favored by Osiris?)
    4. Ra? (favored by Isis?)

    Osiris Forceably Removed from the Solar System? Horus taken hostage? Original Hostage Horus? Sorry KRLLL. Ancient Babylonian/Egyptian/Grecian/Roman New World Order? Isis ruling behind the scenes, with Ra and Horus serving as Pharaohs (or equivalent)?

    1. Isis?
    2. Ra?
    3. Horus?
    Osiris Removed?

    Horus rebels against Isis, and becomes a deposed and crucified personna non grata? Isis continues to rule behind the scenes, with Ra serving as emperors (or equivalent)?

    1. Isis?
    2. Ra?
    Horus deposed and crucified?

    Ra and Horus join forces to overthrow Isis around 700-900 A.D.? Isis continues to rule behind the scenes, with Kings, Queens, and Popes serving in place of Christ, or Antichrist? Ra and Horus work behind the scenes against Isis? Both are now deposed and personnas non grata?

    1. Isis?
    2. Kings, Queens, and Popes?
    Horus works as an architect, artist, musician, and writer for the Vatican?

    Ra overthrows Isis during the Second World War, but Horus is deeply traumatized by the horrors of the World Wars, and the Weapons of Mass Destruction? Ra rules supremely? Horus is completely out of power, broken and despondant? Ra initiates the modern version of the New World Order, complete with the United Nations, Roswell, the Alphabet Agencies, Project Paperclip, the Secret Space Program, the Secret Government, the Nazification of the United States, Vatican II, Senseless Undeclared Wars, the UN Charter superseding the US Constitution, False-Flag Terrorism, Deep Underground Military Bases, Secret Genetic Hybridization Experiments, Introduction of Invented Diseases such as AIDS, etc., etc. - as a prelude to a Harsh and Open New World Order Dictatorship/Theocracy/Technocracy following deliberately inflicted Earth-Changes, Various Extermination Modalities, Alien-Invasions, and a Staged Second-Coming of Christ?

    1. Ra?
    2. Kings, Queens, Popes, and Presidents?
    Isis is now mostly out of power, but continues to work behind the scenes?
    Horus has no reincarnational remembrance, and lives an ordinary life?
    Osiris returns, intent on executing divine justice upon a Planet in Rebellion?
    Horus starts to remember, and intercedes for Humanity, despite mankind's reprehensible original and continuing sin?
    Ra threatens to exterminate the human race if he is removed from power?
    The various hidden factions fight for power?

    What will happen in the next exciting episode of EAST OF GIZA?
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    So, where do I go from here? Where would I end up if I overdosed on the following?

    1. Nature.
    2. The Four Gospels.
    3. Sacred Classical Music.
    4. The Federalist Papers.
    5. The Anti-Federalist Papers.
    6. The U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights.

    I feel as though I need some resolution to all of my delving into this, and delving into that. Or perhaps I should delve into Zoroastrianism, and meditate upon the Zoroastrian Jesus, flying high above the altar of the Cathedral of St. John, the Divine. Seriously, I think I'm going to give the Aliens and the Egyptians a rest. One more thing. After practicing the organ at the local church, a very long time ago, I thought I heard a still, small voice saying 'I'm going to get as much mileage out of the old theology as I can, but I'm working on a new theology.' I'm probably paraphrasing this a bit, but that was the gist. One evening, while practicing the organ at this same church, the organist entered the church, and in a very strange voice asked 'Who's here, and why?' I had been practicing the Toccata and Fugue in D-minor by J.S. Bach - so it was sort of creepy! When they were constructing this huge pipe-organ, people were talking about the errection of the organist's organ -- in church!!! I even watched!!! What would Guy Bovet say??? (Gee Bow-vey)

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    What were the conditions in the Old World Order which gave rise to the New World Order? What are the conditions in the New World Order which will give rise to the New Solar System? What will the conditions be in the New Solar System which will give rise to whatever newfangled idea some crack-pot like me dreams up? Seriously, has anything worked for any significant length of time, anywhere in the universe? We get bored. We get cranky. We get agitated. We get rebellious. We are a restless and fickle race, but what about the other races? This is why I am a combination of incurable optimism and unyielding despair. No matter how carefully and expertly things are planned and implemented, something will always go wrong. Maybe even seriously and devastatingly wrong. I will continue to conceptualize that which is idealistic, yet I will prepare for every conceivable disaster. Is my marital-spat and sibling-rivalry model of solar system governance somewhat close to the mark? I have no idea, but it might get some of you thinking in ways which will result in a definitive answer. I need to get serious about all of this, and I need to be much less of a smart-alec or a dumass. My posts should probably read like George Will or Hugh Sidey editorials on the Presidency. How is the general public holding up out there? Are more people becoming mentally-ill, due to all of the complex and confusing information in books, lectures, and on the internet? Will the people who care the most, get hurt the worst? I tend to think so. It shouldn't be that way, but I suspect that it is...

    Beren wrote:
    Carol wrote:
    orthodoxymoron wrote:XI. "Thou Shalt Not Talk to Orthodoxymoron".

    I'd still like to know what happened 2-4 months ago, relative to me and my views. I would appreciate articulations, pro or con, regarding what I have posted. I continue to be sluggish and passive, even though I hate being this way. I'm really easy to deal with, at this point, but I'm firming up my views, slowly but surely, so now would be an optimal time to debate me, and possibly change my mind. It might not be quite so easy in a year or two, although I intend to always remain open and honest.
    Oxy, have you ever considered the possibility that most people don't feel they have the knowledge that you have or expertise of the subject matter to debate you?

    You sir, have created a rarefied atmosphere for debate that only the Masters who have access to universal knowledge could step in and clarify your confusion.

    Most of the members just sit in awe of what you manage to come up with.

    One would have to be well versed in the topics you present even to comment... but this little reality doesn't stop folks from following your threads to see what you sorted out to question next.  In the end... you will discover that all of the answers to these questions really do dwell within you and will flow forth once you consciously connect to universal mind.

    I often thought the exploration of ones own consciousness the most intriguing, the most interesting, the most challenging, the most fun and the most satisfying past-time one could engage in.  Unfortunately, the western political climate disagrees and creates laws to stop activities that would allow humankind to make that evolutionary leap.  Most will have to wait for a NDE or OBE for this to happen... and fewer still, those committed to a spiritual practice, will understand what this is all about.
    I am with Carol on this one . Ortho remember that I told you few years ago that among other things you were the reason why I decide to join AV 1 few year ago! I see how deeply you are into all this and I see your good soul all twisted up in the net of all these information which in fact is suffocating real you.

    Simply put all religion failed to draw close man to God. They all have pieces of truth but they all decided to rather follow men and not God. And this world is the result of that.

    Imagine Jesus today walking at Vatican or any other church or faith on Earth...would he reason with them or they'd look like offspring of pharisees and scribes?

    Truth is simple and truth in open for all and truth liberates ,leads to Happiness and Love.
    I don't see much that in all religions along with Vatican upon the forehead of all.

    So friend, be well and step out of noise that you are currently into. It will do your soul good.

    Be blessed in the name of Christ.

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    Thank-you Beren and Carol. In many respects, this thread is a most simple and elementary study, even though it might not seem like it, at times. I am attempting to use the methodology of theme and variations, wherein a theme is repeated over and over, but each time in a different way, such as in the 'Passacaglia and Fugue in C-minor' by J.S. Bach (BWV 582). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STij8KmsgcI I used to be able to play this piece, and it was a helluva lot of fun! A Widor-like cadenza-improvization rocks! I like a union of the German-Baroque and the French-Romantic concepts. It's almost as if Bach reincarnated into the French organists, or at least gave them lessons! Perhaps they were given much of the music they 'composed'. Who knows? I can imagine discussing all of this with someone like Alex Collier or William Bramley, especially regarding the subjects of Jesus, and of what an ideal political and religious system might consist of, at the macro level. Collier evidently agreed with Bramley's book 'The Gods of Eden', except regarding what he wrote about Jesus. Collier pointed toward Jesus being somewhat of a composite. Bramley has written a whole book about Jesus, which I have not read, but which I do intend to read. I have spoken about Jesuits both negatively and positively. The best Jesuits know a helluva lot, and they have extensive libraries, but I think they have everything to do with some very dark activities, going back many centuries, and I think they've been working for the wrong boss. But perhaps they have been fighting fire with fire in a hidden political and religious war, which I can't even begin to imagine. Not in this incarnation anyway. I continue to agree with Raven, that I am a completely ignorant fool, spending hours and hours typing internet bs, hoping for some small acknowledgement, etc, etc. I'm not in the big-leagues in any of this, and I know it. The 'Federalist Papers' are an example of big-league debate and discussion. I am amazed at the level of intellectual excellence in these papers, written and spoken centuries ago, and I am saddened and ashamed at our level of debate and discussion, on the same subjects, centuries later. Complexity is viewed as being confusion, as if ignorance were deemed to be a virtue, and genuine questioning, researching, and hypothesizing viewed as being a vice. I speak of Sacred Classical Music. If you are ever in a music store, ask to see some of the sheet music of Bach, Buxtehude, Widor, Vierne, and Dupre. It is unbelievably complex, and I often wonder if they could've really composed this music by themselves. Did Handel really write the complete 'Messiah' in three weeks? I tend to doubt it. Anyway, I guess I'll just keep thinking outside of the box, mostly on this thread, and in subsequent rewrites and reapplications. As I have mentioned previously, I seem to have met several individuals who were remarkably similar to the main characters in the funny, but sacrilegious movie 'Dogma'. I once walked up to 'Rufus', holding a box next to my head, saying 'I like to think outside of the box'! I even sang one of the love songs I had composed to 'Rufus', acapella. He seemed surprised! Perhaps I should try to do some popular music writing, rather than whipping this seemingly dead horse thread. Perhaps the time is not right for the ideas expressed in this thread. On the other hand, Dr. Ron Paul is very popular, especially away from the mainstream media crowd. I attended a rally at the University of Nevada at Las Vegas, which was packed with enthusiastic young people, hanging on the every word of an aging, and not that dynamic Republican, right at the tail-end of the failed Bush Presidency. PLEASE read 'A Foreign Policy of Freedom' by Ron Paul. It is a collection of speeches, which Dr. Paul made throughout the years. I see eye to eye with Ron Paul. I also mostly see eye to eye with Alex Jones and his guests, but I choose to not rant and rave. I just mumble on the internet, and live in my very own sci-fi show. Is it really possible to run the solar system without dealing with the devil? The powers that be seem to be more corrupt than hell itself, but what are ALL of the reasons for this? Should PTB really stand for 'Pawns That Be'? I often feel as if the center of my consciousness is located on the Moon or Mars, rather than in my messy house here on Earth...
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    Take a look at this! I'd sort of like that 600 square-foot office/apartment to be somewhere in space! A universe of information and experiences await us! Can't we just all get along??? I wonder what Richard Branson might think of a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System?

    1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58cdGWK9FMA&feature=related
    2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APvW1OELo-k&NR=1&feature=fvwp
    3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HO0EtiVH580&feature=related
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    6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIGnfrLGLx8&feature=related
    7. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ItU3o-wE5w&feature=related (I witnessed several up-close fly-bys of the SR-71 at Norton AFB! Wow!! Straight-up at the end of the demonstration!!!)
    8. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNEKhxvEvlc
    9. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTiysOs-91w
    10. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNl_X85vF9s&feature=related

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    Break time! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmLccyKadbY Time to get some rest!

    Consider the following:

    1. Osiris being most closely associated with Egypt, the Old World Order, God the Father, and the Incoming Annunaki.
    2. Isis being most closely associated with Italy, Faction I of the New World Order, Archangel Gabriel, the Queen of Heaven, and the Local Annunaki.
    3. Ra being most closely associated with Germany, Faction II of the New World Order, Archangel Lucifer, the God of This World, and a Rebel Annunaki.
    4. Horus being most closely associated with France and/or England, Faction III of the New World Order, Archangel Michael, the Historical Horus, and a Rebel Annunaki.

    I have no idea how much of the above is true, and it might all be a crock. I could speculate further, but things might get too complicated and messy. Is there a constructive way to combine the best aspects of all of the above, while eliminating the worst aspects? Were there genuinely good Nazi Jesuits in the 1930's? I don't know, but consider the high-technology supposedly derived from Gizeh Intelligence, combined with Ecclesiastical and Military Excellence, but without the strong-arming, persecution and destruction of the undesireables, the racism, the horrors of war, the experimentation, and the extermination. Look at the videos of Hitler and Pacelli in the 30's. I don't know what they knew at that point, but they don't act like evil people, at least in public. But the 40's were horrific to the nth degree. Gizeh Intelligence supposedly pulled the plug in '41. Everything went to hell. Two atomic bombs were dropped on civilian populations by the 'good-guys'. Or were they pre-placed? The smoking gun was a mushroom cloud. Two of them, actually. The insanity and carnage were extreme. What the hell happened? Think about it... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tga2FX9Ai9c I find this sort of thing to be fascinating, and not just regarding the digging-up of dirt. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szms_ZJ3qWo&feature=related I think it's important to not just see everything in reactionary terms, and in black and white, all or nothing extremes. I tend to be a reformer, rather than condemming everyone, except the faithful-few, to hell. I keep imagining myself being a Renegade French Jesuit Organist, and I'm really not trying to be funny or sarcastic. Think of where the Statue of Liberty came from. Where did Benjamin Franklin hang out? Where are some of the coolest churches, pipe-organs, and organists to be found? Perhaps I should start a Neo-Hellfire Club! This looks interesting! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkfqakkBPNg&feature=related I just think that it is essential to properly understand Egypt, Italy, Germany, and France - politically and religiously. Isn't this a creepy statue of Pope Pius XII?? You need to enlarge it to get the full impact. The horror...
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    I live close to the coast, and close to sea-level, yet I have no plans to move, other than when I get kicked out of my house later this year. I'll probably just rent an apartment down the street. When the giants, zombies, dracs, and shape-shifting UN troops knock on my door, I'll offer them a pot of coffee, and ask them about their wife and kids. I'd still like to see a scholarly insider evaluation of this thread, including all referenced materials and links. I'd also like to see a scholarly insider evaluation of myself. The latter would most assuredly be less flattering than the former. I really do hate myself and my present life, for what I think are quite valid reasons, of which I am sure many would agree, and probably have agreed for a very long time. I've even been called 'Satan' within the sacred Mists of Avalon by someone who seemed to be quite intelligent and experienced. But how should one properly define the word 'Satan'? I still like the idea of a University of Solar System Studies and Governance, possibly based within the University of California system, consisting of dozens of campuses throughout the world, and throughout the solar system -- but this is just brainstorming without research. Symbol over Substance, if you will. I like the idea of a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System which is secular in a sacred way, or sacred in a secular way. I don't want a Fascist-Dictatorship, but I certainly don't want a Godless and Lawless Free for All...

    I'm going to try once again to press forward with internalizing this thread in a more organized and sane way. This is just one perspective, but I think I need to do a better job of representing it. I think I need to engage in a lot of repetition and memorization. I need to just do some non-internet writing, and stop begging for attention. The confusion needs to resolve into a coherent whole, such that I can access all of this information with relative ease. I'll represent this perspective on life, the universe, and everything. Others will represent their perspectives, and somehow something constructive might emerge. A solution will emerge. It's a big idea. A Brave New Solar System will electrify the galaxy! I'm still haunted by what might've happened in North Africa in antiquity. I think something very catastrophic occurred. Who were the Raiders of the Lost Ark, exactly? Who wronged who? I think we might need to properly sort out our ancient baggage, and find out about the skeletons in the closets throughout the solar system. There might be more trouble to deal with than we think. Anyway, I'm going to try to get my act together, in more ways than one. I have a huge amount of work to do, relative to self-governance and character-development. On a more positive note, I leave you with this. 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaDmU4Uay_w&feature=related 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jyG9H-XdUY&feature=related 3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_E7B_8Pxmo&feature=related 4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sT6eVLPI7sw&feature=related 5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMo6h2u1jSM&feature=related 6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHqGwJBbBHg&feature=related 7. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLaqY7YMTB4&feature=related 8. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rig6b-jogg&feature=related
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    Consider the Avignon Papacy. 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avignon_Papacy 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeDs9xdqbNI&feature=related Consider possible differences between Roman Catholicism, German Catholicism, French Catholicism, and American Catholicism. Follow the music, for starters. Also, consider the Anglican Church of England, and the Religious Views of the Founders of the United States of America. I know next to nothing about all of the above. Is it possible that we are dealing with Three New World Order Factions of an Egyptian Old World Order? Consider the Waldenses and the Albigenes. Consider where some say that Jesus went after surviving the Crucifixion. Is there some sort of a unity between France, England, Canada, and the United States -- especially regarding politics and religion? Consider the Magna Carta, the US Constitution, the Anglicans, the Episcopalians, and the sometimes rebellious American Catholics. Consider Teutonic Zionism, the Great Schism, the Crusades, the Inquisition, the Reformation, the French Revolution, the American Revolution, and the Three (Four?) Reichs. This is really scaring me, even though I know very little about it. I've most recently hung around the Episcopalians, and I've been listening to a lot of French Romantic Church Music. I also have been a bit upset by crucifixes, but I noticed that at Notre Dame de Paris, they use a crucifix in the procession, which has a very small figure of Jesus. The Anglicans and Episcopalians use crosses, but not Crucifixes with a Dying Christ figure. Has there been a Teutonic takeover of the Monarchy, the Papacy, France, and the United States? I really should stop. This is creeping me out. I'm going to take a tranquilizer, and re-read 'Rise of the Fourth Reich', 'SS Brotherhood of the Bell', 'Great Controversy', and 'Dark Mission'...
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    What if an Ecumenical Christian Church Service consisted of Sacred Classical Music for the Prelude, Processional, Recessional, and Postlude https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJnv53fpusc&feature=list_related&playnext=1&list=PLD768A221F84347A8 -- with QUALITY Contemporary Christian Music comprising the rest of the service -- with very little speaking, standing, bending, and nodding. It would basically be just music, with the people praying privately (as instructed by Christ). The choir and leaders would wear robes, and there might be incense, with the service beginning and ending like many Roman Catholic or Anglican services https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6osnM6JE9k&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLA5F49A5C20664122 -- but then the service would morph into a Contemporary Praise-Style Service -- only the music would be in the manner of 'The Second Chapter of Acts' and 'Sandy Patty', rather than being of the mindless and repetitious ilk. More conservative congregations might sing traditional hymns exclusively. Do you see my point? Instead of getting religion crammed down one's throat, people would be elevated by the fellowship and music -- and would then study the scriptures and other materials on their own, or they might attend various classes. Think about it. I have thought this way for a very long time, but I certainly have side-stepped this approach within this thread, and I'm not sure why. I like listening to the Latin Mass, because of the almost continual use of music, and because I can read and meditate while listening to a dead language which will not distract me from my train of thought. I do not support liturgical chaos or flippancy. I do not support being slain in the spirit or holy laughter. I support the idea of dressing up as if one were attending a very traditional Latin Mass, then entering the church with reverence and awe, as traditional Catholics do. But then, once the leaders and choir were in place, a contemporary musical service would continue for at least 30 minutes, in a reverent yet joyful manner. The service would then end as many Latin Masses do -- with a Recession and Sacred Classical Music. I continue to support both an Exoteric and Esoteric Study of the Teachings of Jesus -- but perhaps this should mostly be a private journey. See if you can find an older contemporary hymn-based song called 'The Rock' I believe. Part of it goes 'The rock of faith is Jesus'. Carla Worley did this one at the Crystal Cathedral, and I remember that Fred and Mark liked it -- and so did I. I couldn't find that particular number on the internet, but here is another one with Karla Worley. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl6SbQ9mEcs&feature=related

    Could an Uncorrupted Monarchical Model of Church and State Leadership be Properly and Safely Combined with a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System -- with the King and Queen mostly serving as Ambassadors rather than Dictators? Can the British and American Models of Church and State be Properly and Safely Combined? What about the Papacy? Think about it. I haven't been a big fan of the Monarchical Episcopate and the Divine Right of Kings -- yet I continue to be attracted to a proper combining of the Royal Model with the Servant Model of Leadership and Authority. In the last couple of posts, I have briefly looked at some of the commonalities of France, England, Canada, and the United States. Yet, a Roman undercurrent is ever-present. But really, it seems that EVERYTHING goes back to Ancient Babylon, Egypt, and possibly Sirius. We really do have to deal with all of the esoteric and ancient stuff.

    Tangentially, regarding what's really going on in this neck of the woods, I don't doubt that there are a lot of hidden interesting and intelligently guided objects in our solar system. I'm thinking that the entire solar system is teeming with intelligent or semi-intelligent activity. Unfortunately, I suspect that a lot of this activity is evil, and non-friendly toward humanity as we know it. Objects could be hidden behind the Moon, the Sun, or various planets. Moons and asteroids could be intelligently guided spaceships. I'm trying to prepare myself for just about anything. While I try to remain open to anything and everything, I will always try to peer behind the curtain, to directly view the man (or woman) who is controlling the show. There can be a variety of spectacular events and individuals, but what is their true source, and what hidden agendas might exist? I really do want this solar system reformed with all deliberate speed. Enjoy the show, but keep asking questions...

    Finally, perhaps we need a better system of evaluating individuals in positions of responsibility and power, which would uncover that which is hidden and potentially destructive to society. I keep hearing about cloning, soul-scalping, perfect-possession, soul-transference, hybridization, chip-implantation, mind-manipulation, etc, etc. But obviously I can't conclusively confirm or deny that this sort of thing is happening. I continue to like the idea of having people get PhD's in Solar System Studies and Governance, and submit to extensive evaluation and testing, before being handed the keys to the kingdom, in any way, shape, or form...
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    If most everyone is a potential terrorist -- how does one pick out the real threats?? The bad@ss terrorists probably know all of the tricks to avoid detection and interception -- so the average Joe or Sue seems vulnerable to nefarious surveillance, because they are not taking steps to avoid being seen or heard, regarding controversial political or religious conversation or activities. I don't know for certain -- but I feel very watched and listened to, because of what I post on this site, and what I say on the phone. I have mixed feelings about agents watching and listening to us all the time. We do live in a dangerous world -- and there are dangerous people (who might seem quite normal to most people). We want fancy technology -- but we don't like it when this technology is used in ways that it would be difficult for anyone to prevent its use. If the NSA, FBI, CIA, MI5, MI6, Mossad, etc. aren't watching our every move, and listening to our every word, who's to say that a company or agency no one has ever heard of is doing the dirty work for all of these agencies (as off the books -- independent contractors)??? We've made a technological bed for ourselves -- and now we have to sleep in it. If all the 'Bad-Guys' got kicked-out -- the surveillance would probably continue. I grew-up knowing that angels were watching, listening, and recording my every word and deed 24/7. Think about angels and agents watching you in the bedroom and the bathroom!!! It sort of takes the joy out of life -- doesn't it??!! I am NOT a happy camper. I just think things will get worse and worse -- regardless of whether the good-guys or bad-guys rule (openly or secretly). My research, in connection with this site, has been quite devastating to me -- and I am consequently in NO hurry to wake everyone up. Still, I think a critical mass of the general public needs to wake up -- and know most of what the insiders know -- but not do anything with that knowledge. Just knowing might be more than enough -- for now anyway.
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    Check this out!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSYgEsfxyB4 Is the Roman Empire and Church really more Babylonian, Persian, Egyptian, Jewish, and Greek -- than it is Roman or Christ-Like?? I don't think this subject is straightforward at all. Something seems to be very wrong with the standard story. Blind-Acceptance or Blind-Rejection might both be Fatal-Mistakes. Should I be thinking in terms of converting Purgatory Incorporated into Paradise Incorporated via Positive Reinforcement and Evolutionary Change?? What might it be like for an idealistic person to be dumped into the CEO Captains-Chair of Purgatory Incorporated??!! Would they sell out?? Would they go insane?? Would they get bumped-off?? How long would they last?? What would YOU do?? I'd probably put someone else in charge -- and then do a helluva lot of watching, listening, questioning, and facilitating -- without micromanaging day to day activities. This might involve keeping the Old CEO (who might be more corrupt than hell itself) -- and watching them VERY closely. I have NO idea what would work. I just think things are SO bad -- that being too idealistic and moralistic too soon -- might be a recipe for disaster. Has anyone done a profit-analysis of Purgatory Incorporated v Paradise Incorporated?? Is the bottom-line the bottom-line -- even in Heaven??

    The Paradise Incorporated Modus Operandi -- "Understanding and Appreciating Everyone and Everything -- Competing Without Ceasing With Positive Response Ability -- As a Composite of Everyone and Everything -- Working Hard -- Playing Hard -- Praying Hard!!! World Without War!!!" -- Orthodoxymoron

    Here is yet another (minimalist) Biblical Study List:

    1. Job (Some say this might be the Oldest Book in the Bible).
    2. Psalms (Key Old Testament Prayer Book).
    3. Proverbs (Key Old Testament Wisdom Book).
    4. Isaiah (Key Old Testament Prophet).
    5. Matthew (Key Gospel -- with Many Old Testament Links).

    Don't be frightened. We mean no harm. We simply wish to reiterate that the questions, comments, speculations, and role-playing contained within this thread are not based upon insider information, channeling, regression hypnosis, exhaustive academic research, etc. We do NOT get fed information by research groups or mysterious entities. There is a vicious rumor circulating through cyber-space and the nether-realms -- that We were corrupted by Amen Ra. The people have a right to know whether or not orthodoxymoron has been corrupted by Ra. We want to make this perfectly clear -- We were NOT corrupted by Ra. Quite the opposite. WE corrupted Ra -- and with relative ease. Now, if you'll excuse us, We shall re-watch the 'Hathor' and 'The Powers That Be' episodes of 'Stargate SG-1'. Then We shall watch the 'Hungry Earth' and 'Cold Blood' episodes of 'Dr. Who'. Solar System Without End. We are of peace. Always.

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    I continue to find my reflective path to be somewhat debilitating. I don't recommend this sort of thing for everyone, and I remain conflicted about 'waking people up'. I certainly don't wish to run around like a chicken with my head cut off, or to encourage others to do so. There is too much information out there to really be dogmatic about much of anything, yet I will continue to passively promote a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System. I'd really like to see this solar system get past war, if nothing else. I will continue to attempt neutrality in the context of a somewhat humorous science-fictional approach. I realize that all of this is very, very serious -- but I refuse to take myself, or anyone else, too seriously.

    I'm watching 'The Vampires of Venice' from the Fifth Series of 'Dr. Who'. Consider Dr. Who's identification papers. He is recognized in 1580 Venice as being 'Your Holiness'! Now why would Dr. Who be 'Your Holiness'? Think about what I've said about this previously. I don't wish to be more specific. Watch and listen carefully. When Amy is being introduced to the Calviaris, she has references from the King of Sweden. Now why would Dr. Who have a Swedish connection -- in British Sci-Fi??? What would King Ring say??? Don't mind me! I'm just slightly off the center of the wheel! What?? You don't get it? Perhaps it's because you're unbalanced too! Is there a possible representation of the Queen of Heaven and God of This World in this episode? I don't know, but I just can't stop thinking about that general theme. You really do need to purchase the entire Fifth Series of Dr. Who on DVD! 'Hungry Earth' and 'Cold Blood' are included! I knew someone who liked the taste of blood. You don't suppose...

    Elsewhere in the Mists, there are some strangely blurred photos of the Moon. If the Moon is really an orbiting spaceship, is there a possibility that it was undergoing a propulsion test, prior to leaving the solar system? My preference would be for the really bad guys and gals to either be incarcerated or to simply leave the solar system, but it might be beneficial for most (or all) of the hardware to remain in the solar system, including spacecraft, subsurface bases, moons, planets, asteroids (especially ufo/asteroids), high technology -- and perhaps some genuinely reformed bad guys and gals -- to help us deal with a cold, cruel, and complex universe...

    OK! Now I'm going to calm down and listen to another exciting episode of Sherry Shriner! That'll help me get my head together!

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    Sanicle wrote:Thought you might be interested in the 'Georgia Guidestones' Oxy, although you probably know about them already.  Here's a transcript from the website (link below).

    (They are) A massive granite monument espousing the conservation of mankind and future generations. Sources for the sizable financing of the project choose to remain anonymous. The wording of the message proclaimed on the monument is in 12 languages, including the archaic languages of Sanskrit, Babylonian Cuneiform, Egyptian Hieroglyphics and Classical Greek, as well as English, Russian, Hebrew, Arabic, Hindi, Chinese, Spanish, and Swahili.

    The guides, followed by explanatory precepts, are as follows, the words are exactly as the Sponsors provided them:

    (webmaster's note: the appended text below in blue is NOT carved on the stones. The blue text is from the book  by RC Christian deposited in a library in Georgia.

       1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.   Means the entire human race at its climax level for permanent balance with nature.


       2. Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity. Without going into details as yet undiscovered, this means humanity should apply reason and knowledge to guiding its own reproduction. "Fitness" could be translated as "health." "Diversity" could be translated as "variety".


       3. Unite humanity with a living new language.  A "living" language grows and changes with advancing knowledge. A "new" language will be developed "de novo" - and need not necessarily be adopted from any languages now in existence.


       4. Rule  passion - faith - tradition - and all things with tempered reason.  "Faith" here may be used in a religious sense. Too often people are ruled by blind faith even when it may be contrary to reason. Reason must be tempered with compassion here - but must prevail.


       5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
      Courts must consider justice as well as law.


       6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court. Individual nations must be free to develop their own destinies at home as their own people wish - but cannot abuse their neighbors.


       7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials. Self explanatory.


       8. Balance personal rights with social duties. Individuals have a natural concern for their personal welfare, but man is a social animal and must also be concerned for the group. Failure of society means failure for its individual citizens.


       9. Prize truth - beauty - love - seeking harmony with the  infinite. The infinite here means the supreme being - whose will is manifest in the working of the cosmos - if we will seek for it.


       10. Be not a cancer on the earth - Leave room for nature - Leave room for nature. In our time, the growth of humanity is destroying the natural conditions of the earth which have fostered all existing life. We must restore reasoned balance.
    http://thegeorgiaguidestones.com/index2.htm
    The biggest problem I have with the Georgia Guidestones is the 500,000,000 population figure -- and the presumed extermination which would be required to 'achieve' this figure. I'm anti-genocide and I'm extermination-phobic. However, I do support Responsible Reproduction. The following reflects my current "guidestone views":

    We the People of Earth desire the following Church Reforms: To replace Canon Law with the Teachings of Jesus. To institute a Modified Latin Mass (with no communion - emphasizing the remembrance of Christ and His Teachings - rather than His Sacrifice) - offering Masses seven days a week - with no preference regarding the day or days of attendance. To base All Homilies, Theology, and Ritual Upon the Teachings of Jesus. To eliminate Penance and Confession (replacing both with psychological and spiritual counseling). To allow Women to be Priests and Popes. To allow Priests to Marry and Popes to Marry (and to eliminate all blasphemous titles). To eliminate Most Crucifixes (The bloody, dying, and mostly naked Jesus should not be paraded and displayed. To remove most and clothe most of the rest. Obviously, stained-glass windows, and such, should mostly be left alone). To be Completely Honest Regarding the History of the Church, the World, the Solar System, the Galaxy, and the Universe. To institute a Program of Responsible Reproduction (lifting the ban on birth-control). To base Civil and Church Governance on the U.S. Constitution.

    We the People of Earth desire the following Solar System Reforms: TO BASE THIS SOLAR SYSTEM UPON RESPONSIBILITY AND THE U.S. CONSTITUTION. TO MAINTAIN AN EARTH HUMAN POPULATION OF FOUR BILLION (TWO BILLION SURFACE - TWO BILLION SUBSURFACE) AND FOUR BILLION THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE SOLAR SYSTEM (MOSTLY SUBSURFACE). TO BASE PHYSICAL, MENTAL, AND SPIRITUAL HEALTH UPON PREVENTION. TO MAINTAIN A PRISTINE ENVIRONMENT. TO USE ELECTRICAL POWER FOR NEARLY EVERYTHING, AND UTILIZE MAGNETO-LEVITON TRAINS FOR MOST GLOBAL TRANSPORTATION.

    The subsurface living would not need to be deep subsurface living, and people could come to the surface any time they desired. This concept would eliminate the worst existing surface buildings, and keep the best. The existing roads and bridges would mostly be retained. There would be some deep underground living and provisions for the defense and survival of the human race in extreme circumstances. The human race needs to face the harsh reality of how precarious our situation really is. We really do seem to be on the universal endangered species list -- and possibly on the universal fecal list...
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    Except for the population issue, I don't really have a problem with the Georgia Guidestones -- but I don't think they really get at the core governmental issues -- which would be necessary to achieve that which the author(s) of the Guidestones seem to desire. I'm sort of thinking of myself as the token kinder and gentler member of the Illuminati...

    Somewhat unrelatedly -- At what point does wealth become anti-competitive? I'm not a socialist, communist, or an unbridled-capitalist. I support Constructive Competition and Responsible Free Enterprise. Should there be a wealth-ceiling? Should people have to become philanthropists, once they achieve a certain income-level and/or net-worth? I support the freedom of people to support political candidates -- but how do we keep the political process from continuing to be more corrupt than hell itself? Should the societal safety-net mostly consist of low-interest loans and work programs, rather than handouts?

    It really is all about BALANCE, isn't it? Unfortunately, I continue to be somewhat unbalanced...

    A rich person can contribute to a political campaign -- with strings attached -- such that their man in Washington passes legislation which makes said person filthy rich. If an honest politician bucks the system, and starts exposing all of the evil and corruption, they suddenly have a scandal or a nasty accident -- or the press burns them at the stake. I still like the idea of politicians being required to obtain PhD degrees in governance, to qualify them to govern intelligently. Unfortunately, this wouldn't eliminate corruption. Better methods for uncovering corruption, and severe penalties for corruption, should probably be pursued with all deliberate speed -- without starting another McCarthy Witch-Hunt. A key problem is that you can take a good guy or gal in one context, and place them in another context where they quickly become an evil guy or gal. So many individuals go to Washington with high hopes of cleaning things up -- yet they quickly become absorbed by the system, and become just as incompetent and corrupt as the rest of them...

    Somehow there needs to be an advanced level of character development. Varying the available resources might not help. Establishing a system of rewards and punishments based upon Responsibility might be a start. I like the concept of Positive Reinforcement. I like Positive Response Ability. I like Rewarding Responsibility.

    "The greatest want of the world is the want of men—men who will not be bought or sold, men who in their inmost souls are true and honest, men who do not fear to call sin by its right name, men whose conscience is as true to duty as the needle to the pole, men who will stand for the right though the heavens fall."
    —E. G. White, Education, p. 57 (some say this sentence is not original)

    How many politicians have earned doctorates? I only found one U.S. politician with a doctorate having anything to do with politics or governance. How would you like to have a psychologist perform brain surgery on you?? "Ooops!! There went the piano lessons!! No neurosurgeon left behind!!" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Politicians_with_Doctorates Here's one of the few politicians with a doctorate...

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    How many world leaders have doctorates in politics or governance? I don't know, but here's a list of the heads of state recognized by the United Nations. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_heads_of_state_and_government I'll have to do some research on each name. Check this out!!! http://www.congovision.com/nouvelles2/lono_kasina1.html

    EDUCATIONAL ATTAINMENT OF WORLD HEADS OF STATE
    By Lono Kasina

    Nowadays, good governance seems to become the magic word for the assessment of poor or sub-developed countries. But, unfortunately, very few tried to question the intellectual in-puts made by their leaders so that they could be evaluated, according to their knowledge. Even if leadership and governance skills could, perhaps the expectations are very high as, with globalization, the influx of knowledge needs to be managed by leaders, in this instance, the heads of state with some pre-requisites. Lono Kasina, a native from the Democratic republic of Congo, has questioned this matter in a 22 years piece of research to be updated and soon published, titled: “the Educational Attainment of World Heads of State” But, just to sum-it up, Lono Kasina found that, according to statistics, there is a very strong relationship between “bad management and the school level of the heads of states”. The less they are educated or not attended colleges at all, the more they become dictators and bad managers of their countries. Surprisingly, the level of education reached by most heads of states is comparable to that of a High School student. As a result of these shocking findings, Lono Kasina has issued a pioneering recommendation that “a single educational institution” such as a World Academy of the Presidency, be created for all the heads of states to study together as a group. (International Relations St. Mary's University, San Antonio Texas, USA, 2007). A look at research Summary.

    SUMMARY

    IT IS COMMONLY SAID THAT MANY presidents or heads of state lack a higher education. There are not enough empirical studies in this area, however, to support or to deny this claim. What follows, an analysis of the current level of “educational attainment of world heads of state”, expands upon this theme. The report presents statistical estimates of the educational achievements of 152 heads of state based on the Year 1987. An attempt has been made to determine an individual highest year of education reached by each subject and the annual median years of educational attainment by all the heads of state is uncovered. A possible interpretation of the findings is also given.

    Purpose

    The aim of this study is to enable the measurement of, and to familiarize the reader with the educational background of the world's top ruling elite. An effort is also underway to determine the median years of educational attainment of all former heads of state since 1940. The median years of educational attainment of new heads of state will be added in order to develop an accumulated educational measurement standard for years to come. This effort, however, is not part of the present study.

    Limitations

    This study is limited to an analysis of the educational attainment of heads of state only. It does not cover prime ministers, foreign ministers, or other leaders associated with foreign relations. Heads of state include Presidents and Kings or Queens who preside over sovereign states. Governors-general and Prefects of British and French territories are excluded since they do not hold sovereign rule over those states.

    The study is also limited to analysis of "regular" schooling only, that is, formal education obtained through public or private schools. Other special trainings and military instructions which the heads of state may have undertaken or any honorary degrees they may have been awarded are not accounted for in the current study.

    EDUCATIONAL MEASUREMENT

    Educational Data

    The data on years of school completed were derived from biographical' estimates of heads of state's formal education. Data were based on the level of regular schooling attained. Using the United States Census Bureau format measuring educational attainment, the focus was put on schooling that might have advanced a head of state toward an elementary school certificate, a high-school diploma, a college, or a university degree.

    Educational Level Groups

    Educational data are divided into four groups; representing the four levels of measurement (see Table 1). The first group covers one through twelve years and represents the elementary to high school level of education (or primary and secondary schools in other systems). The second group, thirteen through sixteen years, represents the college level of educational attainment. The third group covers seventeen through eighteen years of education, which is a graduate or Master's level. The fourth group extends from nineteen and plus years of education, which represents a doctorate or post doctorate level of education. Data on each head of state's educational level group can be found in the Appendix.

    TABLE: EDUCATIONAL LEVEL GROUPS

    Group Span of Years Educational Level

    1 1-12 Elementary/High School
    2 13-16 College
    3 17-18 Graduate
    4 19-Plus Doctorate

    Annual Median

    The annual median of years is a critical data in this analysis. It helps establish a threshold on the middle number of education accomplished by all in the sample. The median, which is a type of average, is the middle value in a distribution, i.e., the median divides the distribution into two equal parts. In the case of this analysis, one-half of the heads of state's educational level fell below the median and the other-half exceeded the median.

    Findings

    The analysis of data revealed that nearly half of the heads of state have a median years' educational attainment of slightly below or slightly above twelve (12.2). Among the 152 heads of state in the sample, it was found that 71, or 46.7 percent, have an elementary to high-school level of education; 40, or 26.3 percent, have a college level of education; 13, or 8.5 percent, have a graduate (Master's) level of education; and 28, or 18.4 percent, have a doctorate degree.

    CONCLUSION AND RECOMMENDATION

    It is rather sad to discover just how low the educational level of the heads of state really is. While many people still may question the extent to which the world's top ruling elite is educated, this study has clearly provided an approximate empirical answer to that question. It is now demonstrated that the majority of the world's presidents are truly lacking a higher education. The question which now arises is what can be done about it? The recommendation which the investigator has in mind is that a single educational institution (an academy or a university) be created to educate the heads of state of all the countries of the world.


    PS. A full copy of this research will be soon published in yet an announced source. However, intelligent comments can be forwarded lkasina@hotmail.com

    Lono J. Kasina
    PhD. Candidate
    International Political Economy
    USA.

    ©️ Congo Vision

    ONE MORE TIME -- PLEASE CONSIDER A UNIVERSITY OF SOLAR SYSTEM STUDIES AND GOVERNANCE -- IN LIGHT OF ALL OF THE ABOVE. http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t2881-the-university-of-solar-system-studies-and-governance

    Consider the Holy Roman Empire. 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0tLOQUq7T4 2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Roman_Empire

    "The Holy Roman Empire was neither holy nor Roman nor an empire." - Voltaire


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    Consider Charlemagne. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlemagne Can we trace a sort of apostolic succession from Charlemagne to Hitler? All of this scares and sickens me so much, that I have a difficult time studying the bloody and senseless history of the world. It tends to make me abandon all hope for a big, bright, beautiful tomorrow. It makes me want to go back to church and believe the lies -- just to have a single day of peace. I really do want a Brave New Solar System -- but I want it built upon truth, rather than lies. I wish to be a Peaceful Warrior -- as a devoted student of Sun Tsu and Jesus Christ. If we can't handle the truth -- we'll just have to build more mental institutions. Call this 'tough love' if you wish.

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    They say that 'the show must go on' -- but considering war after war after war - century after century after century - for thousands of years -- why must the show go on??? Consider the butchery of the past hundred years. Consider the potential for the extermination of all life in this solar system. Consider the senseless warfare of the past ten years. Consider the lack of interest in Solar System Governance. What the hell is going on??? I really wished to be of service, but all the king's horses and all the king's men don't seem to need me to help them put Humpty Dumpty back together again. Perhaps I really should just hold the coats, watch the fur fly - and help clean-up the mess after all the other options are exhausted...

    Everything is rigged -- from politics to religion to stocks to war to economics to earthchanges to space-threats to you name it. It's all a big, nasty game -- in my current cynical view of things. I think we humans need to play games. We need challenges. But really, it's the cruel and cynical nature of all of this which really bothers me. In a sense, I wouldn't necessarily want the solar system to be too sanitized -- but I certainly want it cleaned-up. I even think Las Vegas could be a really cool place - complete with shows, games, and scantily-clad people -- but I hate it the way it is right now. Our greed, fear, emotions, shallowness, confusion, corruptibility, and short memories -- are used against us in some rather cruel and sinister ways -- I suspect.
    sabina wrote:maybe it is better to go to the negative department they are4 stronger here on the earth plane.
    I never wanted to go to the negative side but i see more and more they are more sttronger
    every day i see this
    i wanted to help always but i got f...... always
    iam like you I wanted to help.......with all my knowledge but I got f....
    I understand now ......
    but still I am struggeling not to go to the nhegative department

    maybe Iam wrong still I want to be on the positve side but it is not so e3asy and it is going worse ........
    tears ar3e runnig i d
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    I think we are in big trouble, sabina. The good guys and gals don't seem to be running the show in this solar system. But I think an awakening is occurring, and I think the tide will turn in the right direction. But right now, it's an uphill battle, which might not get any easier anytime soon. Hang in there sabina. We shall overcome, but the cost might be a lot higher than we think. I refuse to say that everything is fine, when it's not. Thank-you sabina. I'm a somewhat irreverent and heretical Christian. I'm presently focusing upon Christocentric Egyptology, with a special emphasis on the Archangelic and Pharaonic Nature of Christ. I'm just starting to fight! I'm trying to emulate the cat shown below...
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    sabina wrote:thanks alot my friend  you help me  much , I know you know .......
    times are ❤geting stronger we know.....
    again thanks you helped me alot  much love
    sabina I love youI love you I love you  I love you  I love you
    Taking the easy way isn't an easy way. The secrecy is being removed from the evil, and a lot of people are probably going to go insane, but most people will keep it together and do the right thing. Most of us have been dumbed-down and kept in the dark to 'protect us', or for 'national security' -- but the whole world needs to know the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth -- no matter how miserable it makes us. We need to know what we're fighting.

    I'm not doing real well in the 'real world' but I'll keep trying to do better. I keep feeling as though I'm getting beaten to a pulp in a very real spiritual war. I keep feeling as though neither the 'good guys' or the 'bad guys' like me. The 'good guys' might not be as good as they think they are, and the 'bad guys' know me very well. We go way back. We've been going 'round and 'round for aeons. I think there are very real gods and goddesses behind theology, astrology, and mythology, but I obviously don't know the details, and I might not really want to know the truth about all of this. I also think there is a BIG-G God, but God does not seem to be particularly active in the affairs of human beings presently. Why? I wish I knew...

    I still like to believe the best about people. This world is more corrupt than hell, and that's pretty damn corrupt. I don't necessarily endorse the information presented in these videos, but I think they should be carefully examined, point by point. Exposure and Resistance is Victory and Reformation. Is my attempted neutrality and open-mindedness a mistake? I try to just keep watching, listening, and asking questions. Is this a mistake? Should I be dogmatic and fight? I can do that. I really can. I once caused an individual to tremble by speaking of a particular book and the bottomless pit. But I was polite and neutral in my dealings with them. Was this a mistake? I consider a wide variety of perspectives, yet I'm not an intellectual or an authority. I'm too disillusioned and burned out! I really am. Every day is a very unpleasant struggle, and that's the honest truth. I keep trying to imagine being some sort of a solar system administrator, who has access, who does not micromanage, but attends meetings, reads files, interviews individuals, reads books, watches documentaries, asks questions, and writes reports (which are taken seriously). My present goal is to understand, rather than to condemn. I'm choosing to fight internally, rather than externally. But really, this could change, without prior notice.

    I continue to think that keeping all of this speculative and creepy stuff within the realm of science fiction is wise, because it's really hard to prove and pin-down a lot of the information, even though the circumstantial evidence is often quite compelling. Some of the subjects are so horrific and upsetting, that the science fiction modality provides a safe-haven or a buffer for us. Just taking everything in, without taking anything too seriously, is probably a beneficial approach. Just treat all of this as an entertaining puzzle. Pretend that you are a science fiction actor or actress, and that you are preparing to star in a series or a movie. 90% of what we get exposed to might be completely false, so be prepared to change your mind on a daily basis. I'm going to keep pressing forward with the principles and concepts contained within this thread, just to model the idea, to see how it holds up over a period of years. Someone might learn something from this experiment. This is a test. This is only a test. But really, it wouldn't surprise me to see a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System fully operational by the year 2020. Time will tell. We'll see. It's not how we look. It's how we see...
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    Post  magamud Sun Aug 11, 2013 9:38 am

    Then out spake brave Horatius, The Captain of the Gate: 'To every man upon this earth Death cometh soon or late. And how can man die better Than facing fearful odds, For the ashes of his fathers And the temples of his God?'

    -1st Baron
     Lays of  Ancient Rome,'Horatius

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    Thank-you magamud. I like how you supplement this thread with thoughts, videos, and images. The net result is an environment which is conducive to thinking constructively about all of the crazy solar system and galactic madness. What scares me is the suspicion that the Real-Truth about Life, the Universe, and Everything is Much, Much Worse Than We Can Possibly Comprehend or Handle -- and that the Galactic Powers That Be Might be More Harsh and Strange (to our thinking) Than We Can Possibly Comprehend or Handle. Further, WE Might've Been Much Worse Than the Historical Bad Guys and Gals if WE Had Been in Their Shoes. Finally, I worry that I Might've Been One of the Worst of the Worst Historically BUT That Most of the Hypothetical Reprehensible Behavior Might've Been Absolutely Necessary Under the Circumstances. Consider the Following:

    1. Responsibility, Response-Ability, and Positive Response Ability.

    2. Nature, Human-Nature, Soul-Nature, Natural-Law, and the Perfect Law of the Lord.

    3. The Ten-Commandments in the Contexts of Deuteronomy and Modernity.

    4. International and Interplanetary Law.

    5. Ethics, Law, Law-Enforcement, and the Military.

    6. Purgatory Incorporated v Paradise Incorporated.

    7. [Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy] v [Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, and the Song of Solomon] v [Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and Acts] v [The Pauline Epistles] v [The Book of Enoch, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Lamentations, Ezekiel, Daniel, and Revelation].

    8. Israel and the Nations by F.F. Bruce -- Daniel by Desmond Ford -- Life of Christ by Fulton Sheen -- and the 1928 Book of Common Prayer.

    9. The Federalist Papers (with the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights) -- and the Charter for the United Nations.

    10. Babylonian, Egyptian, Greek, Roman, and Gothic Architecture.

    11. Sacred Classical Music.

    12. Supreme Courts Worldwide.

    13. The Comparative Analysis and Possible Integration of Some (or All) of the Above.

    Once again, I am NOT a Charlatan with All the Answers. I Merely Provide a Study-Guide with a Helluva Lot of Questions. The Rest is Up to YOU. Once again, studying this thread will help place you in a frame of mind wherein YOU might be able to interact with the Powers That Be (Human and Otherwise) in a constructive manner. The irreverence and questionable links and images are intended to provide provocative contrasts and challenges -- to break the tension -- and to make YOU Think.

    If you really want to have smoke pour out of your ears, consider reading the entire text of 'The Quest of the Historical Jesus' by Dr. Albert Schweitzer. http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/schweitzer/ But really, the first and last chapters should be required reading for those who are serious about theology and philosophy, regardless of their biases and convictions. As I have stated previously, someone got into my computer, and made certain portions of the Schweitzer text appear in Bold Print. But not as shown below. This was really strange. I like Albert Schweitzer, and I like his organ teacher, Charles Marie Widor. St. Sulpice in Paris (where Schweitzer was instructed by Widor), is sort of a Personal Mecca for me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYBTg3CV3DQ&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL2A63EBD15866B4D7

    THE PROBLEM: WHEN, AT SOME FUTURE DAY, OUR PERIOD OF CIVILISATION SHALL LIE, closed and completed, before the eyes of later generations, German theology will stand out as a great, a unique phenomenon in the mental and spiritual life of our time. For nowhere save in the German temperament can there be found in the same perfection the living complex of conditions and factors — of philosophic thought, critical acumen, historical insight, and religious feeling — without which no deep theology is possible.

    And the greatest achievement of German theology is the critical investigation of the life of Jesus. What it has accomplished here has laid down the conditions and determined the course of the religious thinking of the future.

    In the history of doctrine its work has been negative; it has, so to speak, cleared the site for a new edifice of religious thought. In describing how the ideas of Jesus were taken possession of by the Greek spirit, it was tracing the growth of that which must necessarily become strange to us, and, as a matter of fact, has become strange to us.

    Of its efforts to create a new dogmatic we scarcely need to have the history written; it is alive within us. It is no doubt interesting to trace how modern thoughts have found their way into the ancient dogmatic system, there to combine with eternal ideas to form new constructions; it is interesting to penetrate into the mind of the thinker in which this process is at work; but the real truth of that which here meets us as history we experience within ourselves. As in the monad of Leibnitz the whole universe is reflected, so we intuitively experience within us, even apart from any clear historical knowledge, the successive stages of the progress of modern dogma, from rationalism to Ritschl. This experience is true knowledge, all the truer because we are conscious of the whole as something indefinite, a slow and difficult movement towards a goal which is still shrouded in obscurity. We have not yet arrived at any reconciliation between history and modern thought — only between half-way history and half-way thought. What the ultimate goal towards which we are moving will be, what this something is which shall bring new life and new regulative principles to coming centuries, we do not know. We can only dimly divine that it will be the mighty deed of some mighty original genius, whose truth and rightness will be proved by the fact that we, working at our poor half thing, will oppose him might and main — we who imagine we long for nothing more eagerly than a genius powerful enough to open up with authority a new path for the world, seeing that we cannot succeed in moving it forward along the track which we have so laboriously prepared.

    For this reason the history of the critical study of the life of Jesus is of higher intrinsic value than the history of the study of ancient dogma or of the attempts to create a new one. It has to describe the most tremendous thing which the religious consciousness has ever dared and done. In the study of the history of dogma German theology settled its account with the past; in its attempt to create a new dogmatic, it was endeavouring to keep a place for the religious life in the thought of the present; in the study of the life of Jesus it was working for the future — in pure faith in the truth, not seeing whereunto it wrought.

    Moreover, we are here dealing with the most vital thing in the world's history. There came a Man to rule over the world; He ruled it for good and for ill, as history testifies; He destroyed the world into which He was born; the spiritual life of our own time seems like to perish at His hands, for He leads to battle against our thought a host of dead ideas, a ghostly army upon which death has no power, and Himself destroys again the truth and goodness which His Spirit creates in us, so that it cannot rule the world. That He continues, notwithstanding, to reign as the alone Great and alone True in a world of which He denied the continuance, is the prime example of that antithesis between spiritual and natural truth which underlies all life and all events, and in Him emerges into the field of history.

    It is only at first sight that the absolute indifference of early Christianity towards the life of the historical Jesus is disconcerting. When Paul, representing those who recognise the signs of the times, did not desire to know Christ after the flesh, that was the first expression of the impulse of self-preservation by which Christianity continued to be guided for centuries. It felt that with the introduction of the historic Jesus into its faith, there would arise something new, something which had not been foreseen in the thoughts of the Master Himself, and that thereby a contradiction would be brought to light, the solution of which would constitute one of the great problems of the world.

    Primitive Christianity was therefore right to live wholly in the future with the Christ who was to come, and to preserve of the historic Jesus only detached sayings, a few miracles, His death and resurrection. By abolishing both the world and the historical Jesus it escaped the inner division described above, and remained consistent in its point of view. We, on our part, have reason to be grateful to the early Christians that, in consequence of this attitude they have handed down to us, not biographies of Jesus but only Gospels, and that therefore we possess the Idea and the Person with the minimum of historical and contemporary limitations.

    But the world continued to exist, and its continuance brought this one-sided view to an end. The supra-mundane Christ and the historical Jesus of Nazareth had to be brought together into a single personality at once historical and raised above time. That was accomplished by Gnosticism and the Logos Christology. Both, from opposite standpoints, because they were seeking the same goal, agreed in sublimating the his- torical Jesus into the supra-mundane Idea. The result of this development, which followed on the discrediting of eschatology, was that the historical Jesus was again introduced into the field of view of Christianity, but in such a way that all justification for, and interest in, the investigation of His life and historical personality were done away with.

    Greek theology was as indifferent in regard to the historical Jesus who lives concealed in the Gospels as was the early eschatological theology. More than that, it was dangerous to Him; for it created a new supernatural-historical Gospel, and we may consider it fortunate that the Synoptics were already so firmly established that the Fourth Gospel could not oust them; instead, the Church, as though from the inner necessity of the antitheses which now began to be a constructive element in her thought, was obliged to set up two antithetic Gospels alongside of one another.

    When at Chalcedon the West overcame the East, its doctrine of the two natures dissolved the unity of the Person, and thereby cut off the last possibility of a return to the historical Jesus. The self-contradiction was elevated into a law. But the Manhood was so far admitted as to preserve, in appearance, the rights of history. Thus by a deception the formula kept the life prisoner and prevented the leading spirits of the Reformation from grasping the idea of a return to the historical Jesus.

    This dogma had first to be shattered before men could once more go out in quest of the historical Jesus, before they could even grasp the thought of His existence. That the historic Jesus is something different from the Jesus Christ of the doctrine of the Two Natures seems to us now self-evident. We can, at the present day, scarcely imagine the long agony in which the historical view of the life of Jesus came to birth. And even when He was once more recalled to life. He was still, like Lazarus of old, bound hand and foot with grave-clothes — the grave-clothes of the dogma of the Dual Nature. Hase relates, in the preface to his first Life of Jesus (1829), that a worthy old gentleman, hearing of his project, advised him to treat in the first part of the human, in the second of the divine Nature. There was a fine simplicity about that. But does not the simplicity cover a presentiment of the revolution of thought for which the historical method of study was preparing the way — a presentiment which those who were engaged in the work did not share in the same measure? It was fortunate that they did not; for otherwise how could they have had the courage to go on?

    The historical investigation of the life of Jesus did not take its rise from a purely historical interest; it turned to the Jesus of history as an ally in the struggle against the tyranny of dogma. Afterwards when it was freed from this paqoV it sought to present the historic Jesus in a form intelligible to its own time. For Bahrdt and Venturini He was the tool of a secret order. They wrote under the impression of the immense influence exercised by the Order of the Illuminati[1] at the end of the eighteenth century. For Reinhard, Hess, Paulus, and the rest of the rationalistic writers He is the admirable revealer of true virtue, which is coincident with right reason. Thus each successive epoch of theology found its own thoughts in Jesus; that was, indeed, the only way in which it could make Him live.

    But it was not only each epoch that found its reflection in Jesus; each individual created Him in accordance with his own character. There is no historical task which so reveals a man's true self as the writing of a Life of Jesus. No vital force comes into the figure unless a man breathes into it all the hate or all the love of which he is capable. The stronger the love, or the stronger the hate, the more life-like is the figure which is produced. For hate as well as love can write a Life of Jesus, and the greatest of them are written with hate: that of Reimarus, the Wolfenbiittel Fragmentist, and that of David Friedrich Strauss. It was not so much hate of the Person of Jesus as of the supernatural nimbus with which it was so easy to surround Him, and with which He had in fact been surrounded. They were eager to picture Him as truly and purely human, to strip from Him the robes of splendour with which He had been apparelled, and clothe Him once more with the coarse garments in which He had walked in Galilee.

    And their hate sharpened their historical insight. They advanced the study of the subject more than all the others put together. But for the offence which they gave, the science of historical theology would not have stood where it does to-day. "It must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh." Reimarus evaded that woe by keeping the offence to himself and preserving silence during his lifetime — his work, "The Aims of Jesus and His Disciples," was only published after his death, by Lessing. But in the case of Strauss, who, as a young man of twenty-seven, cast the offence openly in the face of the world, the woe fulfilled itself. His "Life of Jesus" was his ruin. But he did not cease to be proud of it in spite of all the misfortune that it brought him. "I might well bear a grudge against my book," he writes twenty-five years later in the preface to the "Conversations of Ulrich von Hutten," [1] "for it has done me much evil ('And rightly so!' the pious will exclaim). It has excluded me from public teaching in which I took pleasure and for which I had perhaps some talent; it has torn me from natural relationships and driven me into unnatural ones; it has made my life a lonely one. And yet when I consider what it would have meant if I had refused to utter the word which lay upon my soul, if I had suppressed the doubts which were at work in my mind — then I bless the book which has doubtless done me grievous harm outwardly, but which preserved the inward health of my mind and heart, and, I doubt not, has done the same for many others also."

    Before him, Bahrdt had his career broken in consequence of revealing his beliefs concerning the Life of Jesus; and after him, Bruno Bauer.

    It was easy for them, resolved as they were to open the way even with seeming blasphemy. But the others, those who tried to bring Jesus to life at the call of love, found it a cruel task to be honest. The critical study of the life of Jesus has been for theology a school of honesty. The world had never seen before, and will never see again, a struggle for truth so full of pain and renunciation as that of which the Lives of Jesus of the last hundred years contain the cryptic record. One must lead the successive Lives of Jesus with which Hase followed the course of the study from the 'twenties to the 'seventies of the nineteenth century to get an inkling of what it must have cost the men who lived through that decisive period really to maintain that "courageous freedom of investigation" which the great Jena professor, in the preface to his first Life of Jesus, claims for his researches. One sees in him the marks of the struggle with which he gives up, bit by bit, things which, when he wrote that preface, he never dreamed he would have to surrender. It was fortunate for these men that their sympathies sometimes obscured their critical vision, so that, without becoming insincere, they were able to take white clouds for distant mountains. That was the kindly fate of Hase and Beyschlag. The personal character of the study is not only due, however, to the fact that a personality can only be awakened to life by the touch of a personality; it lies in the essential nature of the problem itself. For the problem of the life of Jesus has no analogue in the field of history. No historical school has ever laid down canons for the investigation of this problem, no professional historian has ever lent his aid to theology in dealing with it. Every ordinary method of historical investigation proves inadequate to the complexity of the conditions. The standards of ordinary historical science are here inadequate, its methods not immediately applicable. The historical study of the life of Jesus has had to create its own methods for itself. In the constant succession of unsuccessful attempts, five or six problems have emerged side by side which together constitute the fundamental problem. There is, however, no direct method of solving the problem in its complexity; all that can be done is to experiment continuously, starting from definite assumptions; and in this experimentation the guiding principle must ultimately rest upon historical intuition.

    The cause of this lies in the nature of the sources of the life of Jesus, and in the character of our knowledge of the contemporary religious world of thought. It is not that the sources are in themselves bad. When we have once made up our minds that we have not the materials for a complete Life of Jesus, but only for a picture of His public ministry, it must be admitted that there are few characters of antiquity about whom we possess so much indubitably historical information, of whom we have so many authentic, discourses. The position is much more favourable, for instance, than in the case of Socrates; for he is pictured to us by literary men who exercised their creative ability upon the portrait. Jesus stands much more immediately before us, because He was depicted by simple Christians without literary gift.

    But at this point there arises a twofold difficulty. There is first the fact that what has just been said applies only to the first three Gospels, while the fourth, as regards its character, historical data, and discourse material, forms a world of its own. It is written from the Greek standpoint, while the first three are written from the Jewish. And even if one could get over this, and regard, as has often been done, the Synoptics and the Fourth Gospel as standing in something of the same relation to one another as Xenophon does to Plato as sources for the life of Socrates, yet the complete irreconcilability of the historical data would compel the critical investigator to decide from the first in favour of one source or the other. Once more it is found true that "No man can serve two masters." This stringent dilemma was not recognised from the beginning; its emergence is one of the results of the whole course of experiment.

    The second difficulty regarding the sources is the want of any thread of connexion in the material which they offer us. While the Synoptics are only collections of anecdotes (in the best, historical sense of the word), the Gospel of John — as stands on record in its closing words — only professes to give a selection of the events and discourses.

    From these materials we can only get a Life of Jesus with yawning gaps. How are these gaps to be filled? At the worst with phrases, at the best with historical imagination. There is really no other means of arriving at the order and inner connexion of the facts of the life of Jesus than the making and testing of hypotheses. If the tradition preserved by the Synoptists really includes all that happened during the time that Jesus was with his disciples, the attempt to discover the connexion must succeed sooner or later. It becomes more and more clear that this presupposition is indispensable to the investigation. If it is merely a fortuitous series of episodes that the Evangelists have handed down to us, we may give up the attempt to arrive at a critical reconstruction of the life of Jesus as hopeless.

    But it is not only the events which lack historical connexion, we are without any indication of a thread of connexion in the actions and discourses of Jesus, because the sources give no hint of the character of His self-consciousness. They confine themselves to outward facts. We only begin to understand these historically when we can mentally place them in an intelligible connexion and conceive them as the acts of a clearly defined personality. All that we know of the development of Jesus and of His Messianic self-consciousness has been arrived at by a series of working hypotheses. Our conclusions can only be considered valid so long as they are not found incompatible with the recorded facts as a whole.

    It may be maintained by the aid of arguments drawn from the sources that the self-consciousness of Jesus underwent a development during the course of His public ministry; it may, with equally good grounds, be denied. For in both cases the arguments are based upon little details in the narrative in regard to which we do not know whether they are purely accidental, or whether they belong to the essence of the facts. In each case, moreover, the experimental working out of the hypothesis leads to a conclusion which compels the rejection of some of the actual data of the sources. Each view equally involves a violent treatment of the text.

    Furthermore, the sources exhibit, each within itself, a striking contradiction. They assert that Jesus felt Himself to be the Messiah; and yet from their presentation of His life it does not appear that He ever publicly claimed to be so. They attribute to Him, that is, an attitude which has absolutely no connexion with the consciousness which they assume that He possessed. But once admit that the outward acts are not the natural expression of the self-consciousness and all exact historical knowledge is at an end; we have to do with an isolated fact which is not referable to any law.

    This being so, the only way of arriving at a conclusion of any value is to experiment, to test, by working them out, the two hypotheses — that Jesus felt Himself to be the Messiah, as the sources assert, or that He did not feel Himself to be so, as His conduct implies; or else to try to conjecture what kind of Messianic consciousness His must have been, if it left His conduct and His discourses unaffected. For one thing is certain; the whole account of the last days at Jerusalem would be unintelligible, if we had to suppose that the mass of the people had a shadow of a suspicion that Jesus held Himself to be the Messiah.

    Again, whereas in general a personality is to some extent defined by the world of thought which it shares with its contemporaries, in the case of Jesus this source of information is as unsatisfactory as the documents.

    What was the nature of the contemporary Jewish world of thought? To that question no clear answer can be given. We do not know whether the expectation of the Messiah was generally current or whether it was the faith of a mere sect. With the Mosaic religion as such it had nothing to do. There was no organic connexion between the religion of legal observance and the future hope. Further, if the eschatological hope was generally current, was it the prophetic or the apocalyptic form of that hope? We know the Messianic expectations of the prophets; we know the apocalyptic picture as drawn by Daniel, and, following him, by Enoch and the Psalms of Solomon before the coming of Jesus, and by the Apocalypses of Ezra and Baruch about the time of the destruction of Jerusalem. But we do not know which was the popular form; nor, supposing that both were combined into one picture, what this picture really looked like. We know only the form of eschatology which meets us in the Gospels and in the Pauline epistles; that is to say, the form which it took in the Christian community in consequence of the coming of Jesus. And to combine these three — the prophetic, the Late-Jewish apocalyptic, and the Christian — has not proved possible.

    Even supposing we could obtain more exact information regarding the popular Messianic expectations at the time of Jesus, we should still not know what form they assumed in the self-consciousness of One who knew Himself to be the Messiah but held that the time was not yet come for Him to reveal Himself as such. We only know their aspect from without, as a waiting for the Messiah and the Messianic Age; we have no clue to their aspect from within as factors in the Messianic self-consciousness. We possess no psychology of the Messiah. The Evangelists have nothing to tell us about it, because Jesus told them nothing about it; the sources for the contemporary spiritual life inform us only concerning the eschatological expectation. For the form of the Messianic self-consciousness of Jesus we have to fall back upon conjecture.

    Such is the character of the problem, and, as a consequence, historical experiment must here take the place of historical research. That being so, it is easy to understand that to take a survey of the study of the life of Jesus is to be confronted, at first sight, with a scene of the most boundless confusion. A series of experiments are repeated with constantly varying modifications suggested by the results furnished by the subsidiary sciences. Most of the writers, however, have no suspicion that they are merely repeating an experiment which has often been made before. Some of them discover this in the course of their work to their own great astonishment — it is so, for instance, with Wrede, who recognises that he is working out, though doubtless with a clearer consciousness of his aim, an idea of Bruno Bauer's.[1] If old Reimarus were to come back again, he might confidently give himself out to be the latest of the moderns, for his work rests upon a recognition of the exclusive importance of eschatology, such as only recurs again in Johannes Weiss.

    Progress, too, is curiously fitful, with long intervals of marking time between the advances. From Strauss down to the 'nineties there was no real progress, if one takes into consideration only the complete Lives of Jesus which appeared. But a number of separate problems took a more clearly defined form, so that in the end the general problem suddenly moved forward, as it seemed, with a jerk.

    There is really no common standard by which to judge the works with which we have to do. It is not the most orderly narratives, those which weave in conscientiously every detail of the text, which have advanced the study of the subject, but precisely the eccentric ones, those that take the greatest liberties with the text. It is not by the mass of facts that a writer sets down alongside of one another as possible — because he writes easily and there is no one there to contradict him, and because facts on paper do not come into collision so sharply as they do in reality — it is not in that way that he shows his power of reconstructing history, but by that which he recognises as impossible. The constructions of Reimarus and Bruno Bauer have no solidity; they are mere products of the imagination. But there is much more historical power in their clear grasp of a single definite problem, which has blinded them to all else, than there is in the circumstantial works of Beyschlag and Bernard Weiss.

    But once one has accustomed oneself to look for certain definite landmarks amid this apparent welter of contusion one begins at last to discover in vague outline the course followed, and the progress made, by the critical study of the life of Jesus.

    It falls, immediately, into two periods, that before Strauss and that after Strauss. The dominant interest in the first is the question of miracle. What terms are possible between a historical treatment and the acceptance of supernatural events? With the advent of Strauss this problem found a solution, viz., that these events have no rightful place in the history, but are simply mythical elements in the sources. The way was thus thrown open. Meanwhile, alongside of the problem of the supernatural, other problems had been dimly apprehended. Reimarus had drawn attention to the contemporary eschatological views; Hase, in his first Life of Jesus (1829), had sought to trace a development in the self-consciousness of Jesus.

    But on this point a clear view was impossible, because all the students of the subject were still basing their operations upon the harmony of the Synoptics and the Fourth Gospel; which means that they had not so far felt the need of a historically intelligible outline of the life of Jesus. Here, too, Strauss, was the lightbringer. But the transient illumination was destined to be obscured by the Marcan hypothesis,[1] which now came to the front. The necessity of choosing between John and the Synoptists was first fully established by the Tubingen school; and the right relation of this question to the Marcan hypothesis was subsequently shown by Holtzmann.

    While these discussions of the preliminary literary questions were in progress the main historical problem of the life of Jesus was slowly rising into view. The question began to be mooted: what was the significance of eschatology for the mind of Jesus? With this problem was associated, in virtue of an inner connexion which was not at first suspected, the problem of the self-consciousness of Jesus. At the beginning of the 'nineties it was generally felt that, in the solution given to this dual problem, and in some measure assured knowledge of the outward and inward course of the life of Jesus had been reached. At this point Johannes Weiss revived the comprehensive claim of Reimarus on behalf of eschatology; and scarcely had criticism adjusted its attitude to this question when Wrede renewed the attempt of Bauer and Volkmar to eliminate altogether the Messianic element from the life of Jesus.

    We are now once more in the midst of a period of great activity in the study of the subject. On the one side we are offered a historical solution, on the other a literary. The question at issue is: Is it possible to explain the contradiction between the Messianic consciousness of Jesus and His non-Messianic discourses and actions by means of a conception of His Messianic consciousness which will make it appear that He could not have acted otherwise than as the Evangelists describe; or must we endeavour to explain the contradiction by taking the non-Messianic discourses and actions as our fixed point, denying the reality of His Messianic self-consciousness and regarding it as a later interpolation of the beliefs of the Christian community into the life of Jesus? In the latter case the Evangelists are supposed to have attributed these Messianic claims to Jesus because the early Church held Him to be the Messiah, but to have contradicted themselves by describing His life as it actually was, viz., as the life of a prophet, not of one who held Himself to be the Messiah. To put it briefly: Does the difficulty of explaining the historical personality of Jesus lie in the history itself, or only in the way in which it is represented in the sources?

    This alternative will be discussed in all the critical studies of the next few years. Once clearly posed it compels a decision. But no one can really understand the problem who has not a clear notion of the way in which it has shaped itself in the course of the investigation; no one can justly criticise, or appraise the value of, new contributions to the study of this subject unless he knows in what forms they have been presented before.

    The history of the study of the life of Jesus has hitherto received surprisingly little attention. Hase, in his Life of Jesus of 1829, briefly records the previous attempts to deal with the subject. Friedrich von Ammon, himself one of the most distinguished students in this department, in his "Progress of Christianity," [l] gives some information regarding "the most notable biographies of Jesus of the last fifty years." In the year 1865 Uhlhorn treated together the Lives of Jesus of Renan, Schenkel, and Strauss; in 1876 Hase, in his "History of Jesus," gave the only complete literary history of the subject; [2] in 1892 Uhlhorn extended his former lecture to include the works of Keim, Deiff, Beyschlag, and Weiss; [3] in 1898 Frentzen described, in a short essay, the progress of the study since Strauss; [4] in 1899 and 1900 Baldensperger gave, in the Theologische Rundschau, a survey of the most recent publications; [5] Weinel's book, "Jesus in the Nineteenth Century," naturally only gives an analysis of a few classical works; Otto Schmiedel's lecture on the "Main Problems of the Critical Study of the Life of Jesus" (1902) merely sketches the history of the subject in broad outline.[1]

    Apart from scattered notices in histories of theology this is practically all the literature of the subject. There is room for an attempt to bring order into the chaos of the Lives of Jesus. Hase made ingenious comparisons between them, but he was unable to group them according to inner principles, or to judge them justly. Weiss is for him a feebler descendant of Strauss, Bruno Bauer is the victim of a fantastic imagination. It would indeed have been difficult for Hase to discover in the works of his time any principle of division. But now, when the literary and eschatological methods of solution have led to complementary results, when the post-Straussian period of investigation seems to have reached a provisional close, and the goal to which it has been tending has become clear, the time seems ripe for the attempt to trace genetically in the successive works the shaping of the problem as it now confronts us, and to give a systematic historical account of the critical study of the life of Jesus. Our endeavour will be to furnish a graphic description of all the attempts to deal with the subject; and not to dismiss them with stock phrases or traditional labels, but to show clearly what they really did to advance the formulation of the problem, whether their contemporaries recognised it or not. In accordance with this principle many famous Lives of Jesus which have prolonged an honoured existence through many successive editions, will make but a poor figure, while others, which have received scant notice, will appear great. Behind Success comes Truth, and her reward is with her.

    THE RESULTS: THOSE WHO ARE FOND OF TALKING ABOUT NEGATIVE THEOLOGY CAN FIND their account here. There is nothing more negative than the result of the critical study of the Life of Jesus.

    The Jesus of Nazareth who came forward publicly as the Messiah, who preached the ethic of the Kingdom of God, who founded the Kingdom of Heaven upon earth, and died to give His work its final consecration, never had any existence. He is a figure designed by rationalism, endowed with life by liberalism, and clothed by modern theology in an historical garb.

    This image has not been destroyed from without, it has fallen to pieces, cleft and disintegrated by the concrete historical problems which came to the surface one after another, and in spite of all the artifice, art, artificiality, and violence which was applied to them, refused to be planed down to fit the design on which the Jesus of the theology of the last hundred and thirty years had been constructed, and were no sooner covered over than they appeared again in a new form. The thoroughgoing sceptical and the thoroughgoing eschatological school have only completed the work of destruction by linking the problems into a system and so making an end of the Divide et impera of modern theology, which undertook to solve each of them separately, that is, in a less difficult form. Henceforth it is no longer permissible to take one problem out of the series and dispose of it by itself, since the weight of the whole hangs upon each.

    Whatever the ultimate solution may be, the historical Jesus of whom the criticism of the future, taking as its starting-point the problems which have been recognised and admitted, will draw the portrait, can never render modern theology the services which it claimed from its own half-historical, half-modern, Jesus. He will be a Jesus, who was Messiah, and lived as such, either on the ground of a literary fiction of the earliest Evangelist, or on the ground of a purely eschatological Messianic conception.

    In either case, He will not be a Jesus Christ to whom the religion of the present can ascribe, according to its long-cherished custom, its own thoughts and ideas, as it did with the Jesus of its own making. Nor will He be a figure which can be made by a popular historical treatment so sympathetic and universally intelligible to the multitude. The historical Jesus will be to our time a stranger and an enigma.

    The study of the Life of Jesus has had a curious history. It set out in quest of the historical Jesus, believing that when it had found Him it could bring Him straight into our time as a Teacher and Saviour. It loosed the bands by which He had been riveted for centuries to the stony rocks of ecclesiastical doctrine, and rejoiced to see life and movement coming into the figure once more, and the historical Jesus advancing, as it seemed, to meet it. But He does not stay; He passes by our time and returns to His own. What surprised and dismayed the theology of the last forty years was that, despite all forced and arbitrary interpretations, it could not keep Him in our time, but had to let Him go. He returned to His own time, not owing to the application of any historical ingenuity, but by the same inevitable necessity by which the liberated pendulum returns to its original position.

    The historical foundation of Christianity as built up by rationalistic, by liberal, and by modern theology no longer exists; but that does not mean that Christianity has lost its historical foundation. The work which historical theology thought itself bound to carry out, and which fell to pieces just as it was nearing completion, was only the brick facing of the real immovable historical foundation which is independent of any historical comfirmation or justification.

    Jesus means something to our world because a mighty spiritual force streams forth from Him and flows through our time also. This fact can neither be shaken nor confirmed by any historical discovery. It is the solid foundation of Christianity.

    The mistake was to suppose that Jesus could come to mean more to our time by entering into it as a man like ourselves. That is not possible. First because such a Jesus never existed. Secondly because, although historical knowledge can no doubt introduce greater clearness into an existing spiritual life, it cannot call spiritual life into existence. History can destroy the present; it can reconcile the present with the past; can even to a certain extent transport the present into the past; but to contribute to the making of the present is not given unto it.

    But it is impossible to over-estimate the value of what German research upon the Life of Jesus has accomplished. It is a uniquely great expression of sincerity, one of the most significant events in the whole mental and spiritual life of humanity. What has been done for the religious life of the present and the immediate future by scholars such as P. W. Schmidt, Bousset, Jiilicher, Weinel, Wernle—and their pupil Frenssen—and the others who have been called to the task of bringing to the knowledge of wider circles, in a form which is popular without being superficial, the results of religious-historical study, only becomes evident when one examines the literature and social culture of the Latin nations, who have been scarcely if at all touched by the influence of these thinkers.

    And yet the time of doubt was bound to come. We modern theologians are too proud of our historical method, too proud of our historical Jesus, too confident in our belief in the spiritual gains which our historical theology can bring to the world. The thought that we could build up by the increase of historical knowledge a new and vigorous Christianity and set free new spiritual forces, rules us like a fixed idea, and prevents us from seeing that the task which we have grappled with and in some measure discharged is only one of the intellectual preliminaries of the great religious task. We thought that it was for us to lead our time by a roundabout way through the historical Jesus, as we understood Him, in order to bring it to the Jesus who is a spiritual power in the present. This roundabout way has now been closed by genuine history.

    There was a danger of our thrusting ourselves between men and the Gospels, and refusing to leave the individual man alone with the sayings of Jesus.

    There was a danger that we should offer them a Jesus who was too small, because we had forced Him into conformity with our human standards and human psychology. To see that, one need only read the Lives of Jesus written since the 'sixties, and notice what they have made of the great imperious sayings of the Lord, how they have weakened down His imperative world-contemning demands upon individuals, that He might not come into conflict with our ethical ideals, and might tune His denial of the world to our acceptance of it. Many of the greatest sayings are found lying in a corner like explosive shells from which the charges have been removed. No small portion of elemental religious power needed to be drawn off from His sayings to prevent them from conflicting with our system of religious world-acceptance. We have made Jesus hold another language with our time from that which He really held.

    In the process we ourselves have been enfeebled, and have robbed our own thoughts of their vigour in order to project them back into history and make them speak to us out of the past. It is nothing less than a misfortune for modern theology that it mixes history with everything and ends by being proud of the skill with which it finds its own thoughts— even to its beggarly pseudo-metaphysic with which it has banished genuine speculative metaphysic from the sphere of religion—in Jesus, and represents Him as expressing them. It had almost deserved the reproach: "he who putteth his hand to the plough, and looketh back, is not fit for the Kingdom of God."

    It was no small matter, therefore, that in the course of the critical study of the Life of Jesus, after a resistance lasting for two generations, during which first one expedient was tried and then another, theology was forced by genuine history to begin to doubt the artificial history with which it had thought to give new life to our Christianity, and to yield to the facts, which, as Wrede strikingly said, are sometimes the most radical critics of all. History will force it to find a way to transcend history, and to fight for the lordship and rule of Jesus over this world with weapons tempered in a different forge.

    We are experiencing what Paul experienced. In the very moment when we were coming nearer to the historical Jesus than men had ever come before, and were already stretching out our hands to draw Him into our own time, we have been obliged to give up the attempt and acknowledge our failure in that paradoxical saying: "If we have known Christ after the flesh yet henceforth know we Him no more." And further we must be prepared to find that the historical knowledge of the personality and life of Jesus will not be a help, but perhaps even an offence to religion.

    But the truth is, it is not Jesus as historically known, but Jesus as spiritually arisen within men, who is significant for our time and can help it. Not the historical Jesus, but the spirit which goes forth from Him and in the spirits of men strives for new influence and rule, is that which overcomes the world.

    It is not given to history to disengage that which is abiding and eternal in the being of Jesus from the historical forms in which it worked itself out, and to introduce it into our world as a living influence. It has toiled in vain at this undertaking. As a water-plant is beautiful so long as it is growing in the water, but once torn from its roots, withers and becomes unrecognisable, so it is with the historical Jesus when He is wrenched loose from the soil of eschatology, and the attempt is made to conceive Him "historically" as a Being not subject to temporal conditions. The abiding and eternal in Jesus is absolutely independent of historical knowledge and can only be understood by contact with His spirit which is still at work in the world. In proportion as we have the Spirit of Jesus we have the true knowledge of Jesus.

    Jesus as a concrete historical personality remains a stranger to our time, but His spirit, which lies hidden in His words, is known in simplicity, and its influence is direct. Every saying contains in its own way the whole Jesus. The very strangeness and unconditionedness in which He stands before us makes it easier for individuals to find their own personal standpoint in regard to Him.

    Men feared that to admit the claims of eschatology would abolish the significance of His words for our time; and hence there was a feverish eagerness to discover in them any elements that might be considered not eschatologically conditioned. When any sayings were found of which the wording did not absolutely imply an eschatological connexion there was a great jubilation—these at least had been saved uninjured from the coming debacle.

    But in reality that which is eternal in the words of Jesus is due to the very fact that they are based on an eschatological worldview, and contain the expression of a mind for which the contemporary world with its historical and social circumstances no longer had any existence. They are appropriate, therefore, to any world, for in every world they raise the man who dares to meet their challenge, and does not turn and twist them into meaninglessness, above his world and his time, making him inwardly free, so that he is fitted to be, in his own world and in his own time, a simple channel of the power of Jesus.

    Modern Lives of Jesus are too general in their scope. They aim at influencing, by giving a complete impression of the life of Jesus, a whole community. But the historical Jesus, as He is depicted in the Gospels, influenced individuals by the individual word. They understood Him so far as it was necessary for them to understand, without forming any conception of His life as a whole, since this in its ultimate aims remained a mystery even for the disciples.

    Because it is thus preoccupied with the general, the universal, modern theology is determined to find its world-accepting ethic in the teaching of Jesus. Therein lies its weakness. The world affirms itself automatically; the modern spirit cannot but affirm it. But why on that account abolish the conflict between modern life, with the world-affirming spirit which inspires it as a whole, and the world-negating spirit of Jesus? Why spare the spirit of the individual man its appointed task of fighting its way through the world-negation of Jesus, of contending with Him at every step over the value of material and intellectual goods—a conflict in which it may never rest? For the general, for the institutions of society, the rule is: affirmation of the world, in conscious opposition to the view of Jesus, on the ground that the world has affirmed itself! This general affirmation of the world, however, if it is to be Christian, must in the individual spirit be Christianised and transfigured by the personal rejection of the world which is preached in the sayings of Jesus. It is only by means of the tension thus set up that religious energy can be communicated to our time. There was a danger that modern theology, for the sake of peace, would deny the world-negation in the sayings of Jesus, with which Protestantism was out of sympathy, and thus unstring the bow and make Protestantism a mere sociological instead of a religious force. There was perhaps also a danger of inward insincerity in the fact that it refused to admit to itself and others that it maintained its affirmation of the world in opposition to the sayings of Jesus, simply because it could not do otherwise.

    For that reason it is a good thing that the true historical Jesus should overthrow the modern Jesus, should rise up against the modern spirit and send upon earth, not peace, but a sword. He was not teacher, not a casuist; He was an imperious ruler. It was because He was so in His inmost being that He could think of Himself as the Son of Man. That was only the temporally conditioned expression of the fact that He was an authoritative ruler. The names in which men expressed their recognition of Him as such, Messiah, Son of Man, Son of God, have become for us historical parables. We can find no designation which expresses what He is for us.

    He comes to us as One unknown, without a name, as of old, by the lake-side, He came to those men who knew Him not. He speaks to us the same word: "Follow thou me!" and sets us to the tasks which He has to fulfil for our time. He commands. And to those who obey Him, whether they be wise or simple, He will reveal Himself in the toils, the conflicts, the sufferings which they shall pass through in His fellowship, and, as an ineffable mystery, they shall learn in their own experience Who He is.


    Perhaps there is an original Michael/Horus/Mithras/Jesus story - which was a mixture of reality and fantasy - which then was repeated and embellished. Perhaps someone should write 'The Quest for the Historical Horus' as a companion to 'The Quest of the Historical Jesus'. What would Albert Schweitzer say? BTW - Dr. Schweitzer doubted the Historical Jesus, but highly valued the Teachings of Jesus. My present view is that the Four Gospels should be studied as a mental and spiritual exercise, and that people should then think and do whatever makes sense - under the influence of the words attributed to Jesus Christ. I struggle with probably 5% of the Red-Letters, and I sometimes ask 'Jesus! What were you thinking?' Perhaps someday, someone will write 'The Quest of the Historical Orthodoxymoron', 'The Demythologized Orthodoxymoron', 'The Moron Who Never Was', 'More On Orthodoxymoron', or 'Orthodoxymoron Never Existed'. I should stop.

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    The United States of America is sometimes called a 'Christian Nation' and it is often implied or stated that the Founders intended it to be such. But what is the truth of the matter? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU24fJ4NQxo&feature=related As many of you know, I have been testing the concept of a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System. I consider myself to be a Christian, but I no longer attend church, and my views don't seem to match those of any churches or religious leaders. I continue to think we should look very closely at Psychology, Ethics, Politics, and Religion -- in an idealistic manner -- but no one really seems to wish to have anything to do with me or my views.

    Consider studying the Teachings of Jesus in a Red-Letter King James Version of the Holy Bible. I support the Teachings of Jesus, yet there are some hard sayings contained therein. Should the most problematic of these sayings be expunged -- or are we faced with an all or nothing situation? How about underlining your favorite Teachings of Christ in one color, and underlining the problematic or hard sayings in another color -- and then focusing upon your favorites? Can we use common sense in this matter?

    Are we dealing with Three Archangelic New World Order Factions of a Babylonian and/or Egyptian Old World Order? Are we dealing primarily with Egypt, Italy, Germany, and France? Whatever the case may be, I think this thing is really nasty and complex. I also think that most of us are not up to the task of properly sorting all of this out. If you think that you are an exception, try going through this entire thread, including all of the references and links, and REALLY internalize all of this, and see what YOU come up with. As far as I can tell, NO ONE has done this, other than perhaps the Queen of Heaven and God of This World. Or perhaps their minions have furnished them with periodic reports...

    So, where do I go from here? Where would I end up if I overdosed on the following?

    1. Nature.
    2. The Four Gospels.
    3. Sacred Classical Music.
    4. The Federalist Papers.
    5. The Anti-Federalist Papers.
    6. The U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights.

    I feel as though I need some resolution to all of my delving into this, and delving into that. Or perhaps I should delve into Zoroastrianism, and meditate upon the Zoroastrian Jesus, flying high above the altar of the Cathedral of St. John, the Divine...

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    Within this thread, I feel as though I am in the process of confronting pilot and co-pilot hijackers on a commercial airliner, with the original pilot and co-pilot drugged, unconscious, and handcuffed in a locked lavatory at the back of the plane. I know what the culprits are up to, but how do I overpower them? And even if I were successful, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO FLY THE DAMN PLANE!!! Should I ask the hijackers to give me flying lessons??? Does anyone understand what I'm hinting at? I might have to learn how to think like the hijackers, but without becoming evil and corrupt. Is this even possible? Is it possible to be so heavenly-minded, that one is of no earthly good? How would one begin to interact with the existing Pawns That Be in an effective and constructive manner, and to begin righting the wrongs, without being a puritanical and self-righteous completely ignorant fool??? Obviously, this is just more imaginary role-playing, but this hypothetical situation is worth reflecting upon. I feel like I need to start reading about the Alphabet Agencies, the Jesuits, the Vatican, the Secret Space Program, JPL, the Masons, the Nazis, and all manner of political and religious corruption and intrigue -- in order to not just be some completely useless goody-goody two shoes -- in a very screwed-up and corrupt world. I'm reading about Watergate right now, and I think I'll re-watch the original French movie 'Nikita'. Does anyone have a clue what I'm talking about?? Anyone?? Nice Kitty!? Don't laugh. They might have cats like these in Deep Underground Military Bases -- just waiting to be unleashed upon an unsuspecting general public. Ever heard of Project SCATology -- under the direction of Pinky and the Brain? They use a CAT Scanner for quality control. Is it possible to think deeply about all of this crap -- without going nuts?? I'm not going irrational nuts -- but I am somewhat despondant and demoralized -- and it's getting worse. Solving our immediate problems might just be the beginning. Our long-term galactic problems might be infinitely worse. I wish I were kidding, but my view of the universe is not a happy one, and I'm trying to imagine worst case scenarios. What would Robert Harold Schuller and Norman Vincent Peale say?

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    Is there anyone in the solar system who has taken an approach similar to the one I have taken within this thread? I'm not doing well personally, but I think I've covered significant territory over the past couple of years. I continue to be amazed at how the evil, corrupt, and filthy-rich people just keep going and going and going -- like the Energizer Bunny. I'm also amazed at the energy of people like Alex Jones, who I generally agree with conceptually, but who I couldn't even begin to keep up with. Should I try to be a hard-hitting dynamo like him? Should I stop pulling my punches? Should I start studying the thousand richest individuals in the solar system? Who are the thousand most significant individuals in the solar system -- on a reincarnational soul-level? Who is the greatest in the Kingdom of God? Should I even ask some of these questions? How should I best proceed with the concept of a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System? How should I best proceed with a University of Solar System Studies and Governance? Should I just keep doing what I'm doing, and let others deal with the details and logistics? Should I promote this thread like Alex Jones? Should I try to hob-nob with the PTB to promote my biases? Should I write books? Should I write science fiction scripts? There continues to be very little interest generated by my efforts on this site, especially when one considers that I keep this thread at the top of the list by commenting on my own thread -- several times a day. If I didn't do that, there would be very few views. On the other hand, the 'Amen Ra' thread on the original Project Avalon site has received around 20,000 views -- half of those AFTER the shut-down. This thread will reach the 991 comment limit, and will automatically close to further posting. This will probably coincide with the tenth anniversary of 9/11.

    What do you think about the efforts of Alex Jones? Is he making a constructive contribution to our world -- or is he just stirring up a lot of trouble, and unleashing anger and a spirit of anarchy in the general public? He seems to be doing a lot better than I am, and he seems to be a lot smarter than I am -- yet I hesitate to emulate his approach. Is he a genuine thinker, or is he a spokesman for a research group? What is the net worth of someone like Alex? He seems to be doing very well investing in gold, and he seems to be well prepared for the trouble which so many seem to be pointing toward. I listened to Rush Limbaugh in the 1990's -- but I became disillusioned with his approach around the time of Y2K. I generally agreed with him -- yet I always felt uneasy with his bombastic and nasty broadcasting style. Did Rush really make things better -- or did he simply conjure-up trouble? Both Rush and Alex tend to make people angry -- regardless of their editorial views. Is this a good thing? If a lot of my speculation is correct, we could REALLY be in trouble. A lot more trouble than even Alex thinks we're in. Who is the biggest threat to the darkside? Might the biggest threat to the Hidden Dark PTB be relatively unknown? I wonder. Are people like Rush and Alex really 'White-Knights'? I don't know. All I know is that they are a helluva lot more successful and popular than I will ever be. Should I be jealous, or should I be happy for them?

    I think I should probably thank them for presenting the Conservative Perspective in such a forceful and articulate manner -- but I should probably not try to be like them -- even if my approach keeps me in the poor-house -- or in no-house -- as a completely broke, completely broken, completely ignorant fool, with no self-governance -- and as a sinner in the hands of the vengeful deities who I refuse to play ball with. I wish to make it clear that I am not in bed with anyone, other than my dog, and I am not racist or factional. I am embracing the Teachings of Jesus, the U.S. Constitution, and the Bill of Rights -- because of their Universality, and not because of their Exclusivity. However, I do keep an open mind regarding the possibility that both the Teachings of Jesus and the U.S. Constitution might've been corrupted with various additions and deletions. There are the hard-sayings of Jesus. There is Article 6 and the 16th Amendment. I understand this, and there is probably a lot more which I do not understand. But I desire that this Solar System become a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System, with an uncorrupted and properly adapted form of the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights, with 10,000 U.S.S.S. Representatives with PhD's in Solar System Studies and Governance, obtained from a University of Solar System Studies and Governance, with scores of campuses located throughout the Solar System. This basic concept can be refined over time, in an evolutionary, rather than a revolutionary, manner. I want the corruption and wars to cease and desist. I want all wrongs righted. This is not a complicated concept.

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    Just let the various Eric Jon Phelps videos play, for a real education. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbOI3uRggJE&feature=rellist&playnext=1&list=PLC364B04CAAA298D6 I don't share his white-bias, even though I'm white. I don't share his Baptist-bias, even though I am a non church-going follower of the Teachings of Jesus. I appreciate his vast grasp of history, and his ability to connect dots. Tell me what you think. I continue to wish to understand, rather than condemn. So, really, I'm a lot softer than Eric Jon Phelps. I really wish for things to work out well for virtually EVERYONE, with some notable exceptions perhaps, which I'm not prepared to name, at this point in time...

    I continue to think that science fiction is an important part of this thread. Most of us don't have Cosmic Clearance - so we have to make due with the scraps of information we get fed in the mass media. The higher ups don't want us simple cattle to stampede! "Run! Goyim! Run!!" My computer is running very poorly - so I assume that someone doesn't like what I'm posting. Could you guys and gals just monitor me by going online, like everyone else - instead of doing all of that fancy back-door Cray Supercomputer BS? I'd really like to have my computer back. Besides, the interdimensional reptilian spys are keeping me under constant watch. I couldn't resist. I know you are just doing your jobs. But really - I mean absolutely no harm.


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    Once again, I have no enemies (not too many anyway!), and I am attempting to maintain a reasonable neutrality. I simply wish to clean-up as much of the mess as possible, in an idealistic, yet realistic, manner. I wish to positively-reinforce the best of the past and present. I realize I know very little about what's really been going-on -- and presently going-on. Things are often not what they seem to be -- at all levels. The lies are different at every level. I do NOT wish to throw old friends under the bus -- even if they've screwed me in more ways than I can imagine. I obviously desire justice -- but I want this justice to be delivered in a fair and reasonable manner. I'm not really into the Eternal Death and Damnation Penalty. Reasonably Hard-Labor for an appropriate length of time might be a reasonable way to deal with Reprehensible Karmic-Debt. There might be very few (if any) souls without sin, to cast stones at the transgressors. Should "Our" Moon or Titan be used (in part) as Karmic Debtors Prison Planets?? I Truly Wish for Righteousness, Law, and Order -- to be restored to this Solar System. Any reasonable amnesty for reasonable cooperation should NOT allow the worst of the worst to go Scott-Free. I am merely interested in solving this sin problem as neatly, cleanly, and quickly as possible -- so as to move-on to bigger and better things. But seriously, I don't know what's really been going-on -- so to those in the know -- use your best judgment -- which will stand the test of time. I simply do NOT wish for this solar system to go up in smoke. Think long and hard -- before you initiate the beginning of the end -- possibly the end of the human-race (at least as we know it). Think long and hard indeed...

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    IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST, AND WITH THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, I COMMAND EVERY WILLFULLY UNRIGHTEOUS AND DEMONIC SPIRIT WITHIN THIS SOLAR SYSTEM, TO PROCEED INTO THE BOTTOMLESS PIT, WITHOUT DELAY. IF MY TIMING IS OFF, PLEASE FORGIVE ME. I LOST MY PROPHECY CHART. IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST, AND WITH THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, I CHOOSE TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT. I'VE MADE A SINCERE EFFORT TO DO THE RIGHT THING WITHIN THIS THREAD, BUT THIS VENTURE HAS LARGELY BEEN IGNORED, WITH VERY LITTLE SERIOUS AND DETAILED DISCUSSION. AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, THIS ENDS NOW. I DON'T WISH TO BE CLOSE-MINDED, ARBITRARY, OR SHRILL, BUT CORRUPTION AND VIOLENCE IN THIS SOLAR SYSTEM NEEDS TO END. I HAVE ARGUED AGAINST A GENOCIDAL APOCALYPSE, YET THE HARD-CORE EVIL IN THIS SOLAR SYSTEM MUST BE DEALT WITH IN A DECISIVE MANNER. I'M TIRED OF PLAYING GAMES AND BEATING AROUND THE BURNING BUSH. I REALLY WANT THIS TO BE OVER.

    Does the above statement go too far, or not far enough? Is it too little, too late? Somehow, I get the feeling that no one really noticed, demonic or otherwise. Without knowing what's really going on, it's hard to be dogmatic and definite. I want this solar system cleaned-up, yet I don't want to be a two-faced, back-stabbing sonofabitch. I wish to expose all manner of evil and corruption, yet I wish to do this in a kind and understanding manner. What is a "WILLFULLY UNRIGHTEOUS AND DEMONIC SPIRIT"? Can anyone tell me? What is "THE BOTTOMLESS PIT"? Is this a prison, or is it eternal damnation, possibly including ceasing to exist in all dimensions? I've made it clear that I support a combination of reform, incarceration, and exorcism -- but I don't know how bad the bad-guys really are, and how dangerous they might be if they survive. Are some beings too dangerous to save? Remember what happened in 'Star Wars III - Revenge of the Sith'? Am I a sucker for a sob-story? Is love the salvation or the damnation of the solar system? I've recently been leaning toward Rewarding Responsibility as an MO -- rather than a mushy version of love -- even though I think that Responsibility, Response-Ability, and Love are interlocking concepts...

    I just talked to a very smart young lady who really 'got it' regarding a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System, and regarding some of the Esoteric Egyptology. I really think the young people are going to run with this concept, and I'll probably just get in the way. I'm too screwed-up to be of much use, but I think that I'm on the right track, in a somewhat clumsy and ponderous manner. I am VERY aware of my problems and limitations.

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    I'm still looking for balance in all of this. I don't want to know too little or too much. I don't want to do too little or too much. I don't want to be too formal or too informal. My level of internal discomfort is getting worse and worse. Does this indicate an intensifying spiritual war, or does it indicate that I am losing a spiritual war? Did anyone listen to that Phelps link a couple of posts ago?  Here's another one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrcAp0spLqg If even half of what he said was true, this is an incredible collection of information. I really think that the decision has been made, at the highest and lowest levels, that the general public will be told the truth. I doubt that people like Alex Jones and Eric Jon Phelps would be able to do what they're doing, if this weren't the case. I doubt that this site would exist, or that even what I post would be tolerated, if this weren't the case. But the truth is a mixed-bag. It both solves and creates problems. I support a cold-infowar, which is under control, tactful, and respectful. The controlled release of upsetting information is much better than a chaotic release of information which leads to anarchy and violence. Unfortunately, that sort of thing could still happen. My current strategy is to know everything and do nothing -- or next to nothing. Just sorting everything out, on a personal level, is really doing quite a lot, even if it doesn't seem like it. Going off half-cocked is a big mistake, especially regarding the subjects we discuss on this site. I like a lot of the ideas in this thread, but I think others will be the pioneers who actually do something significant with these ideas, principles, and concepts.

    As some of you know, I have been experimenting with the concept of Three Archangelic Factions being instrumental in the history of the world and solar system. I have speculated that God the Father was instrumental in Very Ancient Antiquity, but that I don't see a lot of activity by God the Father in Solar System Governance. I keep sensing an Absent God the Father. Further, I see Archangel Michael as being largely disempowered throughout World and Solar System Governmental History, yet still being present at all times. This leaves an Empowered Gabriel and Lucifer, where I sense the dominance of Gabriel, up until perhaps the last two or three centuries, with a possible marked Luciferian dominance in the last hundred years. This is VERY thinly evidenced speculation, and should be taken with more salt than usual. I have taken the view that in the Very Ancient World -- all roads led to North Africa -- with all roads leading to Rome over the past several thousand years. I have also taken the view that all factions, throughout history, have had their good and bad aspects, but that overall, things have been VERY bad in this neck of the woods, and that we might be facing a horrible immediate future. Furthermore, I have taken the view that the Roman Catholic Church has been, and is, a central organization in Solar System Governance over the past couple of thousand years, that it is a mixture of good and evil, and that it is reformable and redeemable. I keep trying to imagine myself as being a Renegade French Jesuit Organist, over the past two or three hundred years, and I'm not sure why. The imagination is a wonderful thing. All of my posts should be taken with a sea of salt. Despite any interesting incarnations and reincarnations, I have no knowledge of these, and I have no education or insider information which is not widely available on the internet, so I continue to fly blind. I continue to speculate that a Michael Dominated Solar System might incorporate key aspects of a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System, and a Completely Reformed Roman Catholic Church, wherein the U.S.S.S. and the R.C.C. were somehow integrated, or at least in harmony with each other. There are Roman features in the American governmental model, such as in the concept of the Senate, and in Capitol architecture.

    I realize that all of this is a very volatile and dangerous area of discussion and speculation, which is why I only post on a small website. If I ever write a book, it would be VERY watered-down, and not because I would necessarily have to do so. I would choose to make it much more general, and possibly it might surface as a sci-fi novel, but I would love to see the key players answer all of my questions within the manuscript (which I have asked throughout this thread), and have expert editing and marketing. All of this madness is not quite ready for prime-time, to say the least. In a recent post, I grew more shrill regarding hard-core evil and corruption in this solar system, which I think will need to be bound and/or completely removed. I have tried to remain open and accomodating, but I feel as though the universe keeps laughing behind my back, rather than taking me seriously. I am very disillusioned and despondant regarding the state of affairs in the world, solar system, galaxy, and universe. I used to think it was just us stupid Earth humans, who were the problem. Now, I'm seeing trouble everywhere. I so hope that I'm wrong. Some might question my questioning. Well, I got the idea from a class I used to attend, with most of the class members having doctorate degrees. Several questions were written at the front of the room, and the class members discussed and answered the questions. Again, all of the subject matter within this thread is very difficult to master or prove, regardless of education or priviledge. One more thing. I have never belonged to any secret organizations, or participated in any supernatural or creepy activities - and I never will. However, creepy things have happened in my life, but not because I went looking for them, or because I participated in rituals or secret meetings. I'm not that kind of guy, and I never will be. I continue a passive quest for the truth. I know that I could take a much more direct route, but I choose not to. I have actually worked hard to avoid direct contact with the truth throughout the years, and I suspend judgment to an excruciating extent. I could say a lot more than I do, and I could be a helluva lot more nasty than I am. I kid you not.

    What if we are faced with several choices, with only one or two of them yielding nice results? I keep getting the sinking feeling that most people are not making the right choices, and that they haven't been for thousands of years, especially at the highest levels of human governance. The Pawns That Be seem to keep selling us out, and we seem to keep buying the wrong products. I think we make things very, very easy for the bad guys and gals. Will we ever learn? How many thousands of years have we had to get this right? Think about it -- but don't strain yourselves, or lose a lot of sleep over it...

    Here is a consolidation of my musical links - which are intended to supplement your research activities. This is Sacred Classical Music - but you don't have to believe in the Bible, Church, or God - to benefit from it. The same goes for the Latin Mass (the art-form) - believe it, or not. (replacing the incense with cannabis enhances one's spiritual experience!) The Latin Mass, the Sacred Classical Music, and the Magnificent Churches of the World - form an artistic unity - which become a spiritual unity when the Teachings of Jesus are added. But one can really believe anything, or believe nothing - and benefit from all of the above. Here are two inspiring videos. 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6QUxWbYgpE&feature=related 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5Ds8e5Y4iE&feature=related I sang in the choir with this remarkable man on many Sundays. I miss the Crystal Cathedral. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_E7f00J0hDw&feature=related I loved singing in the choir. I hope they can solve their problems.

    1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW8AJds1CzI
    2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mM46lVVarg&feature=related
    3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdU0-d1Kz7I&feature=related
    4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rAMdw4DQIE&feature=related
    5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9QIEvARo1M&fmt=18
    6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcphxV9jpo8&feature=related
    7. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Rk2zJP85Cc
    8. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZWOGcdC_PI&feature=fvst
    9. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydyLBdVZh34
    10. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rig6b-jogg&feature=related
    11. BWV 564 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuVzH8CkAoU&feature=related (includes BWV 538)
    12. BWV 565 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QVaFcoC4_Y&feature=related
    13. BWV 565 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Aej0vQJNQA&feature=related
    14. BWV 566 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egT5ZLt5GVg&feature=related (includes BWV 532 and BWV 546)
    15. BWV 575 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDvUHr6WpFI&feature=related (includes BWV 549 and BWV 568 and BWV 589 and BWV 535 and BWV 550)
    16. BWV 577 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M-RWJki3wY&feature=related (includes BWV 541 and BWV 539 and BWV 534 and BWV 537)
    17. BWV 582 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1kX8T-CG7I (includes BWV 540 and BWV 565)
    18. Widor Symphonie 6 "Allegro" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oR3P3IfGqo
    19. Saint Sulpice - Easter 2010 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ihb6EiynIxs&feature=related
    20. Mulet Carillon Sortie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq8i69-L-Fs&feature=related
    21. Dubois Toccata https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKwQTvj1h8w&feature=related
    22. Boellmann Suite Gothique https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueU4CDjn3v0&feature=related
    23. Gigout Grand Choeur Dialogue https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9suezChCKtk&feature=related
    24. Saint Saens Sympony 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pny-Ily4SbE&feature=related
    25. Widor Toccata https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_rHIbuB2Ak&feature=related
    26. Gigout Toccata https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdW_OnXrqlU&feature=related
    27. Widor Symphony 2 Finale https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DlJgdmcRG8
    28. Hallelujah Chorus at Macy's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5S0dn7tqkBg&feature=related
    29. Star Wars at Macy's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQfeUAqCqtI&feature=related
    30. Bach BWV 662 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aW_nHk33wU
    31. Dupre Symphonie-Passion Nativie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EyWH7jrgZk&feature=related
    32. Dupre Symphonie-Passion Crucifixion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EyWH7jrgZk&feature=related
    33. Dupre Symphonie-Passion Resurrection https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_BUFydbXsU
    34. Chapuis Improvization on Bach's 'Vater unser im Himmelreich' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiMnLsJK-qk
    35. Saint Saen Fantasie in E Flat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vYn1lKgv4c&feature=related
    36. Vierne Symphonie 3 Finale https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mVSoikeA0o
    37. Lemmens Fanfare https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svtE5iJUrgg&feature=related
    38. Widor Symphony 10 'Romane' Moderato https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0RaATmFXXU&feature=related
    39. Tournemire Grave Fugue Postlude https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sK5cJPczb0&feature=related
    40. Widor Symphony 10 'Romane' Chorale https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpjYGAzEXjI&feature=related
    41. Liszt Funerailles https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws9_F-FXqgI&feature=related
    42. Kramer Evocation Improvization https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgNOvYTY4Os&feature=related
    43. Vierne 'The Bells of Hinkley' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qhEgE7-K34&feature=related
    44. Chapuis Improvization on Bach's "Valet will ich dir geben" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J70-Kbvf_9A&feature=related
    45. BWV 533 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQkJ2QyLBNw&NR=1 (includes BWV 569, BWV 537, and BWV 545)
    46. BWV 1080 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lrb0dHKJBR4&feature=related
    47. BWV 248 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVeluHdzcBY&NR=1
    48. BWV 988 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=je8brwUWOew&feature=fvwrel
    49. BWV 244 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFHXWoawnt0&feature=related (Part 1)
    50. BWV 244 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAox7O4o9vc&feature=related (Part 2)
    51. BWV 245 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAJ4Be5cMWY&feature=related (Part 1)
    52. BWV 245 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bu7rVWzIEus&feature=related (Part 2)
    53. Dupre Cortege et Litanie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRcMtB27z7E&NR=1
    54. Dupre Improvisation on 'Veni Creator Spiritus' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOnr5uhoPlE&NR=1
    55. Dupre Carillon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxBjqrPAUg8&feature=related
    56. Dupre Prelude and Fugue Opus 36 Number 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ztpey-Jt4Jc&feature=related
    57. Dupre Prelude and Fugue in B-major Opus 7 Number 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlmScQ_aGM8
    58. Naji Hakim Final https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDSfz5HG7AA&feature=related&fmt=18
    59. Roth Improvisation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uhyY35REZE&feature=related
    60. Franck Potpourri https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33GikBSeguc&feature=list_related&playnext=1&list=MLacdYuOj0G3vTHOl_SiC585LyfjFwlT7j
    61. Bach B Minor Mass https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdLCcQixNvg&playnext=1&list=PLEFB725C82BC4D2A1
    62. BWV 54 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9nNHSU3Icw&feature=related
    63. BWV 147 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPeVIuRjUi4&feature=related
    64. BWV 169 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJLK_eEcZ9s&feature=related
    65. BWV 232 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdLCcQixNvg&feature=related
    66. BWV 242 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZvkSSVp3H8&feature=related
    67. BWV 526 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpvo3mYHYcs&feature=related
    68. BWV 527 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtvZ84UmPR0&feature=related
    69. BWV 529 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bP2rdbQCS_8&feature=related
    70. BWV 533 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fDqMV3Vf10&feature=related
    71. BWV 537 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjRsjPsmrWY&feature=related
    72. BWV 537 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njV3Po8MlBo&feature=related
    73. BWV 538a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP4bNH3fn9k&feature=fvwrel
    74. BWV 538b https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPvF8pR0jD4&feature=related
    75. BWV 538a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Wfn-cLYqgU&feature=related
    76. BWV 538b https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLnMGD9hZr4&feature=related
    77. BWV 540 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKZYeFE1XJ4
    78. BWV 543 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvkpFN3a9rk&feature=related
    79. BWV 543 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHuzLO5nnts&feature=related
    80. BWV 546 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ekKJ0GNAfQ
    81. BWV 549 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_czE0uk7VVo&feature=related
    82. BWV 549 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lXbFtHU9bY&feature=related
    83. BWV 639 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mFUXBa4ook&feature=related
    84. BWV 736 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXQgeCq0QhE&feature=related
    85. BWV 1083 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckIerDUo7nE&feature=related
    86. Widor Mass op. 36 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sYr83SuwY0&list=PL8A26CE0CEF80FE31
    87. Widor Symphony 6 Allegro (with orchestra!) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQMOC-VC1sQ&feature=related
    88. Choral Kyrie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Veof_APhkkQ
    89. Tantum Ergo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7JUaIpvQjM&feature=related
    90. Oliver Latry Improvisation at Notre Dame de Paris https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSxVO3EoCRM&feature=related
    91. Pierre Cochereau Improvisation at Notre Dame de Paris Part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qo-OE5JwrU
    92. Pierre Cochereau Improvisation at Notre Dame de Paris Part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDC2W0bk9RA&feature=related
    93. Pierre Cochereau Improvisation at Notre Dame de Paris Part 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZgIN3E7D9w&feature=related
    94. Pierre Cochereau Improvisation at St. Thomas Church NYC Part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMo6h2u1jSM
    95. Pierre Cochereau Improvisation at St. Thomas Church NYC Part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHqGwJBbBHg&feature=related
    96. Pierre Cochereau Improvisation at St. Thomas Church NYC Part 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLaqY7YMTB4&feature=related
    97. Pierre Cochereau Improvisation at St. Thomas Church NYC Part 4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rig6b-jogg&feature=related
    98. Pierre Cochereau Te Deum at Notre Dame de Paris https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohDqL6pjpjY
    99. Pierre Cochereau Kyrie IX 'Orbis Factor' - Introit, Chant, and Sortie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sT6eVLPI7sw&NR=1
    100. Pierre Cochereau Improvised Sortie on Adeste Fidelis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvKrXwYkUJs&NR=1
    101. Pierre Cochereau Improvisation on Adeste Fidelis (longer version) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3qf4eEifZs&feature=related
    102. Pierre Cochereau Improvised March https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHN64nC9LdU&feature=related
    103. Alleluia (Mawbry) and Improvised Postlude (Cochereau) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKF8K9cJCuY&feature=related
    104. Jerusalem et Sion Filiae https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJdPI27gZPg&feature=related
    105. Victimae Paschali Laudes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlSK8vn55ZA&feature=related
    106. O Filii et Filiae https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsjFezL5KdY&feature=related
    107. Magnificat (Ton Royal) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvQ1YRN5Pr8&feature=related
    108. Veni Sancte Spiritus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3oVsUuK8Ik&NR=1
    109. Vierne Kyrie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaVaNw3jito&feature=related
    110. Vierne Agnus Dei https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPd3d_9f570&NR=1
    111. Palm Sunday at Notre Dame de Paris https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfbA7_vjWLg&feature=related
    112. Vepres a Notre Dame (Primiere Section) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2xseSfxEFQ&feature=related
    113. Vepres a Notre Dame (Seconde Section) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXwWGGxo0KQ&feature=related
    114. Vepres a Notre Dame (Troisieme Section) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1C7hdP7zLc&feature=related
    115. Ave Maria - Communion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCfb8mTO5DM&feature=related
    116. Traditional Latin Mass https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enWiFcsBqIE
    117. Philippe Lefebvre Improvisation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ-pZp1FQPE&feature=related

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    I've been touching upon this from time to time, but I'm going to try to really absorb what the Blacks are saying about Ancient Africa, especially regarding the origins of Western Civilization, the Knights Templar, and Freemasonry. 1. http://www.zulunation.com/required.html I think this will be a private journey for me. There is only room for two more posts on this thread, and I could start a second part to it, but I doubt that I will. There is a huge area of study which is opening up to me, and I doubt that I will ever master it, or become any sort of an authority about anything at all. But I doubt that very few people on the planet will experience the flashes of insight which I have experienced, and which I will experience. I really don't wish to be a beggar or a super-salesperson for my particular biases or points of view. I don't wish to continue to destroy my life in connection with all of this, and I certainly don't wish to harm others in any way, shape, or form. I had hoped that things would begin to resolve, but they haven't, and I don't expect that they will. This isn't for everyone, and I refuse to get caught-up in the racism which is often connected to this area of research. If people quickly and easily interacted with me, I'd be a lot more willing to deal with all of this publicly, but I'm tired of making post after post after post, without anyone posting any sort of a comment or response. All I'm doing is adding to my Alphabet Agency Files, and moving closer and closer to the top of the Red List. My computer hardly functions, and the fan revs like a Ferrari -- and I know why. I keep feeling as though this is coat-holding time. I'll try to do my homework, and after the dust settles, if I'm still alive, I might try once again to interact with people in a constructive manner. Namaste and Godspeed. http://www.kemetnu.com/Products.htm

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    Post  orthodoxymoron Mon Aug 12, 2013 9:33 am

    Thank-you magamud. That was a creepy little guy!! Aren't we sort of at the mercy of whoever runs the world and the solar system? We could be fed just about anything regarding our history and who we are -- and how would we definitively determine whether it was the truth, or not?? I'm probably going to spend a lot of private time studying Science, Science-Fiction, and Sacred-Scripture -- just as a mental and spiritual exercise -- knowing full-well that most of it might very well be utter bullshit. I've created my own science-fictional version of the way things might be, in this thread -- but I have no idea whether it approximates reality, or not. I've tired of making a completely ignorant fool out of myself in public -- so now I'm going to wonder about forbidden things in private -- and try to present a respectable public front -- so no one laughs at me. Here is one more scriptural study-guide -- just to keep everyone on their toes!! But no one really gives a damn about this sort of thing!! Right??!!

    1. Job.
    2. Psalms.
    3. Proverbs.
    4. Ecclesiastes.
    5. Song of Solomon.
    6. Isaiah.
    7. Matthew.
    8. Mark.
    9. Luke.
    10. John.
    11. Acts.
    12. Romans.
    13. 1928 Book of Common Prayer.
    14. Life of Christ by Fulton Sheen.
    15. Desire of Ages by Ellen White.

    I have no idea how much truth resides in all of the above -- but we have to at least try to learn who we are, and how things have been (and are) -- don't we?? Is being liturgically-conservative and theologically-liberal a valid approach to ecumenism and unity with diversity?? There's really no satisfying way to do politics and religion, is there??? There's always another way to do it. If one does it one way -- they tell you that you should've done it the other way!! No matter how one puts things together -- it's always wrong -- right??!! I'm sure I've angered just about everyone -- in every possible way -- but it's sort of been fun -- hasn't it??!! Come-on!! Be honest!! I often feel torn between an angelic and a human existence. Is there a happy medium in the house??!!

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    "No Self Esteem??!!"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkFH0KMO0G0
    La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la

    I wrote her off for the tenth time today
    And practiced all the things I would say
    But she came over, I lost my nerve
    I took her back and made her dessert

    Now I know I'm being used
    That's okay, man, cause I like the abuse
    Now I know she's playing with me
    That's ok cause I got no self esteem

    Oh, yeah, yeah
    Oh, yeah, yeah
    Oh, yeah, yeah
    Oh, yeah, yeah

    We make plans to go out at night
    I wait till two then I turn out the light
    This rejections got me so low
    If she keeps it up I just might tell her so

    Oh, yeah, yeah
    Oh, yeah, yeah
    Oh, yeah, yeah
    Oh, yeah, yeah

    When she's saying that she wants only me
    Then I wonder why she sleeps with my friends
    When she's saying that I'm like a disease
    Then I wonder how much more I can stand
    Well I guess, I should stick up for myself
    But I really think it's better this way
    The more you suffer, the more it shows you really care
    Right?
    Yeah!

    Now I'll relate this a little bit
    That happens more than I'd like to admit
    Late at night she knocks on my door
    She's drunk again and looking to score

    Now I know I should say no
    But it's kind of hard when she's ready to go
    I may be dumb, but I'm not a dweeb
    I'm just a sucker with no self esteem

    Oh, yeah, yeah
    Oh, yeah, yeah
    Oh, yeah, yeah
    Oh, yeah, yeah

    When she's saying that she wants only me
    Then I wonder why she sleeps with my friends
    When she's saying that I'm like a disease
    Then I wonder how much more I can stand
    Well I guess, I should stick up for myself
    But I really think it's better this way
    The more you suffer, the more it shows you really care
    Right?
    Yeah!
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    Give it to me baby, uh huh, uh huh
    Give it to me baby, uh huh, uh huh
    Give it to me baby, uh huh, uh huh
    And all the girlies say I'm pretty fly for a white guy
    Uno, dos, tres, cuatro, cinco, cinco, seis ~
    You know its kinda hard just to get along today
    Our subject isn't cool, but he thinks it anyway
    He may not have a clue, and he may not have style
    But everything he lacks, well he makes up in denial
    So don't deflate, play it straight
    You know he really doesn't get it anyway
    Gonna play the field, keep it real
    For you know a way, for you know a way
    So if you don't break, just over compensate
    At least you know you can always go on Ricki Lake
    The world needs wannabees
    Hey, hey, do the brand new thing!
    Give it to me baby, uh huh, uh huh
    Give it to me baby, uh huh, uh huh
    Give it to me baby, uh huh, uh huh
    And all the girlies say I'm pretty fly for a white guy
    He needs some cool tunes, not just any will suffice
    But they didn't have Ice Cube so he bought Vanilla Ice
    Now cruising in his Pinto, he sees homies as he pass
    But if he looks twice, they're gonna kick his lilly ass !
    So don't deflate, play it straight
    You know he really doesn't get it anyway
    Gonna play the field, keep it real
    For you know a way , for you know a way
    So if you don't break , just over compensate
    At least you know you can always go on Ricky Lake
    The world loves wannabes
    Hey, hey, do the trendy thing!
    Now he's getting a tattoo yeah, he's getting ink done
    He asks for a 13, but they drew a 31
    Friends say he's trying too hard and he's not quite hip
    But in his own mind he's the, he's the dopest trick
    Give it to me baby, uh huh, uh huh
    Give it to me baby, uh huh, uh huh
    Give it to me baby, uh huh, uh huh
    And all the girlies say I'm pretty fly for a white guy
    Uno dos tres cuatro cinco cinco seís
    So don't deflate, play it straight
    You know he really doesn't get it anyway
    Gonna play the field, keep it real
    For you know a way, for you know a way
    So if you don't break, just over compensate
    At least you know you can always go on Ricky Lake
    The world needs wannabes
    The world loves Wannabes
    Let's get some more wannabes
    Hey, hey, do the brand new thing!
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    Post  magamud Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:45 am

    Ortho you know the truth because of the equality and transparency the world is. This amazing feat is done because our Father is a loving and amazing wonder. The world is so big that we lose reference of what is in front of us. A quarantine zone?
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:15 am

    It's just that "Knowing" and "Thinking You Know" are VERY different. The Religious Imagination can become Out of Control very quickly. I've tried using science-fiction as an alternative to claiming exclusive religious truth -- but this is just a Band-Aid on a Compound-Fracture.
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    Post  magamud Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:08 pm

    Out of control indeed.  Faith is the gap...The burden is light but it resembles a lion. Keep up the good work Ortho.
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:37 pm

    Thank-you magamud. I'll keep up the good-work (the "Great-Work"?) until the end of this month. I won't stop thinking -- but I will stop posting. I've tried to be happy -- and I've tried to feel better -- but nothing has worked. I'm not sure what's wrong -- but something is seriously wrong -- and I don't expect things to improve for the rest of this incarnation. Again, I aspire to do more of the same of what I've been doing -- only at a much more sophisticated and refined level. I aspire to change everything -- without changing anything. Here's more Sherry Shriner!! http://www.sherrytalkradio.com/ Sherry forces me to think about crazy galactic subjects -- but I am NOT a true-believer. I endorse a mostly-neutral interdisciplinary study of life, the universe, and everything -- at least for those who are way down the rabbit-hole. Again, I am in absolutely no hurry to wake people up -- nor do I wish to shut people up. I feel horrible every day -- and I don't expect this to change for the better. It might get worse -- especially if I am in the middle of some sort of a spiritual war. I am smarter and dumber than you might think. I am less-stable and more-stable than you might think. I am less-orthodox and more-orthodox than you might think. I am more-obedient and less-obedient than you might think. I am a supreme contradiction. I am orthodoxymoron!!

    This has been a wild ride for me, and for anyone who has cared to travel with me. In the coming days, months, and years I will let all of this settle, and I will try to breathe life into the concept of a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System aka a Namaste-Constitutional, Responsible-Freedom, United States of the Solar System. This is going to be a huge task, which will require several hours of concentrated effort, each and every day. This concept should be contemplated in every conceivable situation and context. It really must work everywhere, if it is going to properly work anywhere. Keep repeating "Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System" over and over and over -- day after day after day -- month after month after month -- year after year after year -- until it becomes a reality. I am sold on the general concept -- yet I do not have the details properly sorted out. What if the United States is part of the Roman Empire? What if the Whole World is part of the Roman Empire? What if the Entire Solar System is part of the Roman Empire? What if the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights merely provide the Illusion of a Democracy? What if the United States has always been part of the Roman Empire? What if the Roman Empire is part of the Egyptian Empire (or at least is based upon the Egyptian Empire)? Which empire controls Gizeh Intelligence? What if the Roman New World Order started with the Fall of the Egyptian Old World Order? What if All of the Above are part of the Sirian Galactic Empire? What if my pipe-dream of a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System, and a Sovereign Human Race -- is a Threat to Galactic Security -- which cannot be allowed under any circumstances? What if I am a disempowered and demoted Ancient Reptilian Queen (demoted for defending humanity and promoting freedom -- contrary to orders?) who is attempting a comeback? In the highly unlikely chance that this were the case, would it be better to seek a Theocratic Dictatorship rather than a Representative Republic? Might I be shooting myself in the -- never mind. I don't know which way to jump. I don't know how to absolutely determine what the truth is. I'm trying to help - but I suspect that I might be doing just the opposite - so what should I do? I've never had a drink in my life, but I'm thinking about becoming an alcoholic. I can't take much more of this.

    If I weren't a burned-out shelluva guy, I'd probably be an intuitive genius, but I'm exhausted and tense 24/7. I don't feel a need to lead. I don't like to fight. I just like to conceptualize things, and then be an observer. I've been passively pushing the concept of a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System, but if it ever became a reality, I would just like to read files, attend meetings and sessions -- and then type position papers, which would be taken seriously, ("Interplanetary Trash Disposal Faces Modernity") but which would have zero authority. I fear that if I ever take that first drink, I will immediately become an alcoholic. Then I'd have to join the 'Friends of Bill Cooper'. I think it is necessary to speed-up and slow-down -- simultaneously -- as 'the quickening' shifts into high-gear. I think that proper research is a big part of this. One should probably withdraw from the rat race (especially when the rats are winning), and do some heavy-duty research while listening to sacred classical music. I'd like to see a modified monastery model -- with monks doing serious research with Cray Supercomputers. Who knows? They might already do this, when no one is looking. The monks probably rule the solar system! Regarding the large object at the edge of the solar system, it sounds as though it is not advancing toward the center of the solar system. Some time ago, I suggested the possibility, that if Nibiru (or equivalent) was piloted, that it might take up an orbit safely (1 astronomical unit) beyond the orbit of Pluto -- and become a part of the United States of the Solar System. Who knows? What if piloted objects already within the solar system are responsible for 'hurling' objects toward Earth? I have suggested that all those who intend to harm Earth should defect, and become part of the United States of the Solar System. I don't know if this would be possible or desirable. There might be beings who are 'unredeemable' at this point. I just don't know. Traditional theology teaches that there are demonic beings who have passed the point of no-return. For me, hope springs eternal -- but I don't know the whole story. This whole mess continues to be a big, stupid guessing-game. I have no idea what I'm fighting. I probably have a snowball's chance in hell of getting what I think I want. But really, I don't know what I want -- other than a single day of peace. I'm finding it increasingly difficult to become motivated, when few seem to care, there is no financial benefit, and it is tearing me apart - physcially, mentally, and spiritually. What if Michael / Horus / Jesus was the Chief Musician in Heaven who was instrumental in Genetically Engineering (Creating) the Human Race, and who defended them against persecution, enslavement, and extermination? What if Michael was wroth with the Reptilian Powers That Be, and waged a War in Heaven to help Humanity? What if Lucifer was a co-conspirator and fellow-warrior -- who ultimately took advantage of the situation? What if BOTH Michael and Lucifer are in the Galactic Hot Seat? Perhaps there is a hidden reason why Jesus is nailed to crosses in thousands of churches. Perhaps he really is Galactic Enemy Number One. Here is a thought which I have hinted at, but which I haven't stated in quite the following way. Consider the following four hypothetical solar system factions:

    1. The Osiris Faction of the Sirian-Egyptian-Roman Empire.

    2. The Isis Faction of the Sirian-Egyptian-Roman Empire.

    3. The Horus Faction of the Sirian-Egyptian-Roman Empire.

    4. The Set Faction of the Sirian-Egyptian-Roman Empire.

    What if the Osiris Faction is the Incoming Annunaki?

    What if the Isis, Horus, and Set Factions are Rival Local Annunaki Factions?

    What if these four factions are the only options available to the human race?

    What if all four factions constitute the Orion Group?

    What if all four factions are a mixture of strengths and weaknesses?

    What if we are all on the brink of a very destructive Final Jihad?

    What if Osiris, Isis, Horus, and Set are the 'East of Eden' Equivalents of Adam, Kate, Aaron, and Cal -- in an 'East of Giza'?

    What if a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System combined the best aspects of all four factions?

    What if I'm a Completely Ignorant Fool Full of You Know What?

    You really don't give a damn about any of this, do you? Do you have any idea how much it hurts me to write this sort of thing? Why should I bother, when no one seems to care? Should I wash my hands, and walk away from all of this madness? I have purposely placed myself in a non-traditional setting, to challenge my historical and conservative Christianity. I continue to think that non-traditional thinkers should study the traditional church -- even if they don't believe in God, and think that the church is more corrupt than hell itself. I have conceptualized a United States of the Solar System -- most recently centered in the City of London. Many consider the City States and the United Nations to be the epitome of greed, deceit, and corruption. I wouldn't necessarily disagree with them. However, I presently think that the existing City States and United Nations need to be reformed and transformed. I have envisioned the United Nations moving to the City of London, and meeting in St. Paul's Cathedral (as blasphemous as that sounds). The Secret Government and the United Nations would be transcended by a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System -- with 10,000 PhD Representatives from throughout the Solar System. Proceedings would be accompanied by lots of pomp and circumstance -- including organ, orchestra, choir, and 'congregational' singing. I really need to talk to someone about this sort of thing. No one really wants to talk to me about much of anything. Has anyone considered 'The Book of Divine Worship'? Might this be a 'middle way' between the Latin Mass, the Novus Ordo Mass, and the Traditional Anglican Eucharist? What if the Liturgical Year and the Lectionary were scrapped in favor of a Lectionary and Liturgical Wording Based Upon the Teachings of Jesus? Do you see how conservative and radical I am? But this is just another conceptual experiment. I am trying to conceptualize evolutionary change. But once again, no one seems to wish to play ball with me. Could the Mass/Eucharist be interpreted in a manner which does not include human sacrifice? I love the solemn, meditative, private, beautiful, and traditional aspects -- yet the sacred service should be all about what Jesus taught -- even though there are hard sayings contained within the words attributed to Jesus Christ. Or, what about using the Psalms and Proverbs for the Old Testament Readings -- and the Four Gospels for the New Testament Readings? I simply wish to start refining things -- without throwing out the baby with the bathwater. It's not a wise thing to fiddle around with the way people pray. I'd almost sign-off on using The Book of Divine Worship as an Ecumenical Service -- if, and only if, the Teachings of Jesus and the U.S. Constitution became central to Doctrine, Governance, Faith, and Practice. I don't mind incense, but I don't like the clanging thurible being waved around. Why not just carry it, and skip incensing the altar and everyone in sight? Also, why does there have to be so much bending and nodding? This all seems to be distracting. The liturgy should flow, and be highly meaningful, rather than being a meaningless round of ceremony. Someone please talk to me about this. I don't wish to just ramble on and on. Thank-you in advance for your comments and suggestions. We shall overcome some day. The Truth will set us free, and Responsibility will keep us free. http://www.redicecreations.com/

    I wish to make it clear that I desire the highest ethical standards and the most reverent holiness to be present everywhere in the universe. I have been experimenting, and attempting to communicate with those who I might not see eye to eye with. I have been trying to communicate openness and fun. I have been testing various theories and speculations. But really, I mean business regarding the elimination of sin throughout the universe. I think the really evil beings should be incarcerated. I think they should not be allowed to continue their corrupt and destructive behavior. I am not a vengeful person, but I desire that responsible freedom, in the context of law and order, should extend throughout the universe. I'm not a narrow legalist, and I believe in incremental improvement over time. I'm a reasonable person, but I did shout-out today that I wanted every unrepentant and evil spirit in the universe to proceed into the bottomless-pit without delay. I repeated this several times. I'm done playing games. I have tried to be open, friendly, and accomodating. I am a person of peace. But I think there is a place for really hard-core good guys and gals in this universe. Consider reading 'The Desire of Ages' and 'The Great Controversy' by Ellen White (or by whoever REALLY wrote these books). Read between the lines, and search for clues. I am very skeptical about ALL churches presently. I think that ALL of them have been severely infiltrated and subverted. This includes the Seventh-day Adventist Church. You really need to study this stuff on your own. I have tried to jump into the middle of the esoteric and conspiracy research, and to dealve into this and that, but I don't recommend that very many people should try this. This is a VERY dangerous game. I know that I wish to end up in a Most Holy Place, yet I'm not exactly sure what the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth really and truly is, in every jot and tittle. The Biblical Prophecies point to a Destructive End of the World -- With Most People Being Eternally Lost. But I Don't Want Anyone to be Lost -- Unless it is Absolutely Necessary -- and I Would Need a Second Opinion on That One. I Really Want Evil to be Completely Eliminated in this Universe. I have suggested a combination of Theocracy and Democracy for this Solar System -- but I don't know if this sort of thing is even possible. It seems to make sense to me -- yet I don't know the end from the beginning. I'm really just trying to test my biases and presuppositions. I have made comments regarding the Latin Mass, the Novus Ordo Mass, the 1928 Book of Common Prayer, the 1979 Book of Common Prayer, and the Book of Divine Worship. This is an example of seeking understanding and attempting sensitivity. I'd prefer a clean sheet of paper approach, but such an approach should fairly consider that which presently exists -- and that which people are used to. Again, I'm a reasonable person, who is easy to talk to, but very few have chosen to talk to me -- and some of those who have talked to me, have chosen to stop talking to me. This whole thing is one big nightmare for me. This isn't pleasant at all. The City States seem to be at the center of the problems and corruption in the world -- yet it seems to me as if they need to be at the center of a complete reformation of this solar system. They need to be purified of sin -- and the Holy Spirt needs to enter in. The City States should be the Most Holy Places in the Solar System. They should exude Righteous Excellence. Having St. Paul's and/or St. Mary's as a meeting place for a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System would be intended to Help Make the Secular Sacred. I do not desire repeat performances of persecution, torture, and death -- which have been manifest when there existed an unholy union of church and state. On the other hand, should not those who govern the solar system conduct business as if in the Very Presence of the Creator God of the Universe???

    Would having a political body meeting in a cathedral, to the tune of sacred classical music, constitute the establishment of a state church? If the representatives wore robes, would this make them clergy? I guess what I want is the pomp and circumstance, glory and grandeur, reverence and awe of the church -- but without the BS. https://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=uHTua_Q8CL0 If you don't know what I mean by the BS and the GLORY (the agony and the ecstasy) in the church -- I'm not going to even try to explain. Would the Banksters in the City of London be receptive to the concept of a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System -- Headquartered in the City of London -- and Ceremonially Meeting in St. Paul's Cathedral? I'm not happy with the United Nations, the Secret Government, and the City States -- but I think that learning from their often reprehensible history, and positively reinforcing the best of the past -- would be a good thing. What would the Pope, the Queen, the President, the Secretary General, the Queen of Heaven, and God of This World think of such a revolting development? I doubt that they would go for it. In ancient terms, what would Osiris, Isis, Horus, and Set think of such a revolting development? I tend to think that Horus would be OK with it, but that Osiris, Isis, and Set would not wish to surrender one bit of authority. Forgive me if I have gotten this wrong. I support having an Authority of Last Resort and Running Commentary from the Heavens -- but If the Gods and Goddesses Treat the Human Race Like Children -- They Are Going to Act Like Children. There should be a proper central standard and modus operandi for solar system governance, and the best and the brightest people of the world should be given appropriate levels of responsibility, relative to solar system governance. But what do I know? What can I know -- without knowing the whole story? But I'm not sure I really wish to know the whole story. The more I know -- the more I wish I didn't know.

    In a sense, my internet activities have been countermeasures. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SDhlSQ60So&feature=related I've been a moving target, with lots of decoys. Silence has been the companion of my true innermost thoughts. I have asked serious and genuine questions, but I have played games as well. Lots of games. You don't know me. You really don't. It's probably better that way. This has been an experiment, mostly to see how people would react to various approaches. It's been fun, and I've learned a lot. Well, now it's time to run silent and run deep. I will implement what I have learned -- in my own time, and in my own way -- and it will be very different than what you have experienced on this thread. In fact, you might never be aware of my presence ever again. I wish to work in a very private manner. In a sense, I've made a completely ignorant fool out of myself over the past couple of years. I've carelessly cast way too many pearls, and those days are over. Thank-you for your accommodation and patience. Thank-you for participating in my experiment. This experiment is now going completely black. You would need at least Seven Levels Above Cosmic Clearance to learn what I'm really up to. I'm even going to stop talking out loud in my own home, because I know that these words are recorded and listened to. My telephone conversations are going to be even more bland than they have been, because I know that everything I say, can and will be used against me in a kangaroo court. Have fun trying to figure me out, and keep up with me now. Things are going to be very different from now on. Dr. Ron Paul's book, 'A Foreign Policy of Freedom' is excellent. I think a critical mass of the young people 'get it', and they will change the world for the better. I actually wrote a speech for Ron Paul, but they did not require my services, which didn't surprise me! My services are never required. I often wish I had never been born. I probably would've accomplished a lot more, and I wish I were kidding. I think I need to stop trying to change things. I was educated to 'save souls' -- but theological and philosophical problems have hamstrung my efforts to 'save the world'. Now, I doubt that I can even save myself. I think I need to just let all of this go, and simply be an observer, which will probably drive me insane anyway. Perhaps the sheep should just keep sleeping -- even though they might very well be lambs to the slaughter. There might not be a hell of a lot we can do about it, so why not enjoy the show? Has anyone conceptualized what I have presented in this thread? As with all of my posting, this is intended to be a mental exercise.

    I'm really and truly not a 'my way or the highway' kind of guy. Not in this incarnation anyway. I just think that the City States must be properly understood and properly reformed if this world and the human race are going to have any chance of surviving and thriving. I'm trying to conceptualize changing everything -- without changing anything. I certainly do not wish to be a 'bull in the china closet' -- even if this is only a mental exercise. As always, I don't know what's really going on -- I don't know what I'm doing -- and I don't know what my reincarnational past is -- so perhaps I really should go completely silent, and just watch. I like to watch. I recently heard someone say that people who don't know what they're doing -- shouldn't do anything. They also said that some people were ahead of schedule, and that things keep being delayed -- complete with shifting timelines. I have no idea about any of this -- other than that we are in the middle of a spiritual war -- which probably is a hot war in underground bases and outer space. This is just speculation -- but this is what it feels like to me. I am very fearful presently -- despite all of my joking around. My internal world war four continues. O wretched man that I am. I feel as though I am existing in another dimension 24/7, and the pressure is quite intense. There is continual high-pitched ringing in my ears, and there are small and numerous, very-alive, faint white-lights before my eyes as I look to the heavens, which occasionally are visible between me and the monitor. I'm also experiencing theological solar-system science-fiction 24/7. Life in the 'real world' is worsening daily -- but then what is the 'real world'? A few days ago, I was out walking, and it sounded as though there were some electrical discharges occurring close to me -- yet there were no power lines. It sounded 'dimensional' rather than 'sparking'. Was this a Drac-Attack which was repelled by my Guardian Angels and/or Guardian Draconians? I ran and I rock! (Iran and Iraq!) I feel mentally, emotionally, and spiritually hamstrung -- as if 75% of my brain is tied behind my back. (Limbaugh only has half of his brain tied behind his back) Someone once told me my head was up -- never mind. (where Raven said the rabbit-hole went) Sorry. Too much information. The good that I would do - I do not - and I keep hearing the universe laughing behind my back. They probably think I'm a completely ignorant fluke of the universe. Perhaps the universe was not made for us. One more thing. A couple of decades ago, I was sitting in a large church, listening to someone in the congregation asking the speaker if they thought Heaven was in Orion. I simultaneously witnessed two scholars, sitting in front of me, give each other knowing looks. They probably knew then, what I know now. The horror.

    Thank-you Fellow Beings of the Universe for your prayers and your support! God bless you! And God bless the United States of the Solar System!!
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:14 am

    The history of the world is filled with fighting and warfare. We really don't seem to be able to get along. No matter how we try to set things up, there is always fighting and warfare. I suspect that my beloved Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System would not prevent fighting and warfare. I think it might be the best next step for this solar system, but I expect a continuing stream of huge problems, going forward for hundreds, and possibly thousands, of years. I'd like to eliminate war completely. I wish we could compete with each other -- without killing each other. We are so emotional and short-sighted. We are easily exploited. Perhaps I should foster the concept of a Defensive and Non-Lethal Military. I like Military Discipline but I Hate War. We should be an Organized, Disciplined, and Peaceful Race. We should be very powerful, but very restrained. Would combining the best aspects of the Roman and American Models be a pragmatic beginning for a Brave New Solar System? I don't know. I really don't know. I think we have to deal with that which presently exists, rather than starting from scratch, with a clean sheet of paper. I am trying to combine my Idealism with my Pragmatism. Consider these Ralph Ellis interviews (which actually have more to do with the Old Testament, than with Jesus and the New Testament). 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=3ris3YCcmYk 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50BZMNhe0j4&feature=related Please keep thinking about Christocentric Egyptology and Reincarnating Archangels. What if Jesus turns out to be like this guy? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctzcqPO9Zd4&feature=related

    What if Jesus shows-up, and pisses everyone off? What if NOBODY wants to have anything to do with him? Are the world political and religious leaders busy scratching their behinds, trying to figure-out what to do with Michael / Horus / Jesus right now? What if everyone gets left to their own devices? I am taking the position that there are good-guys and white-hats within the governments and religions of the world, including within the secret government. If they use people like Icke, so be it. Actually, a controlled release of information is probably a good thing. I Like Icke. Here is an interesting Los Angeles talk radio interview with Fred Steckling, regarding structures on the Moon. I really like this sort of thing. Yes, I am a bit angry at 'the government', but I would prefer to focus on interesting new information, rather than being perpetually angry at the NWO and the PTB. I wish to make a deep study of this thread and the old Avalon 'Amen Ra' thread, but I keep having a mental block. Do you think that Osiris, Isis, Horus, and Ra are alive and well, and living in this solar system? Is there a God the Father, Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer equivalency here? Were (and are?) Ptah and Thoth really Michael and Lucifer -- or Pinky and the Brain? Do you like Ptah and Thoth? Are they the real Raiders of the Lost Ark? Were, and are, they both rebels, but in very different ways? Is Ancient Egypt at the center of the Old World Order? Is Rome (Ancient and Modern, Holy and Unholy) at the Center of the New World Order? I could ask a lot more questions, but I won't. Not now. I am currently thinking that everything goes back to Babylon and Egypt, and that there really is nothing new under the sun. My Conservative Christianity is morphing into Christocentric Egyptology. The Bible, Quran, Torah, and Egyptian Myths just provide clues as to what is really going on. I think that thousands, or even millions, of years of religious and political conflict have created a confusing mess. I'm hoping this madness can somehow be resolved sometime soon. I'm trying to learn what I can from Ralph Ellis and Gerald Massey, but it's not going real well. 'Stargate SG-1' is a lot more interesting after studying this sort of thing.

    I wish to 'nicely' disempower the bad guys and gals by shining the bright lights into the darkness. I prefer watching the rats run, rather than watching the good guys and gals running in the streets, and getting mowed-down by M-16's and 'Street-Sweepers', followed-up with Martial Law and who knows what Draconian Measures 'they' have up their sleeves to deal with the Recalcitrant Goyim. I have somewhat jokingly imagined myself being a Renegade French Jesuit Organist -- with previous access to the Vatican Library, other repositories of secret knowledge, and high-level individuals -- yet who no longer is an obedient soldier of the Pope and the Black Pope. Do you see my point? I'd like to be able to converse with the PTB and the NWO in a civil manner, yet keep asking them the hard questions, and not be intimidated or corrupted by them. I'd love to sit in on Bilderberg meetings, visit Deep Underground Military Bases, talk to the Pope and Black Pope, talk to the Rockefellers and Rothschilds, etc. and et al -- without throwing a temper tantrum, and getting hauled-off by their security personnel. I'm trying to walk a middle ground here. Perhaps this is a mistake, but that's my approach, and I'm sticking to it for the foreseeable future, even if this makes both sides angry at me. Here's another cool Moon video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3FbllbOeco&feature=related

    Hatred can be a motivator, but it can also be blinding, and it can close doors. I want to cause as many bad guys as possible to become good guys (with reasonable levels of punishment, confiscations, fines, various penalties, and restitution), and then incarcerate the unrepentant bad guys, without firing a shot. I'm a big fan of Sun Tsu and Jesus Christ. I'm really going silent now. I've had quite enough. I intend to do sci-fi writing, music writing, cleaning house -- and a lot of research based mostly on the Original Avalon and The Mists of Avalon web sites. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18223&highlight=orthodoxymoron I also have a stack of books to read, and videos to watch. I continue to think that my thoughts should not be ignored, but in 'real-life' I am very unimpressive. Believe it or not, the concept of a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System is my feeble attempt to find a balance point, or common ground with the races, religions, philosophies, and nations of the solar system -- which will survive the infowar, going forward for thousands of years. It really is. This thread is about idea-promotion, rather than self-promotion. I will soon be dead, whether by natural causes or otherwise, but hopefully the principles and concepts discussed within this thread will live on. Hopefully the Human Race Will Live On As Well. I hope that extermination and destruction are completely off the table at this point. I still get the feeling that humanity is dealing with vengeful deities of some sort -- who might have a legitimate beef with the human race. What continues to bother me is the secrecy and deception. I have learned a lot, but things are not stated plainly. One has to wade through a huge amount of BS to get at what's really going on. I'm going through most of my posts, and it's been an excruciating journey, which could've been made so much easier. But really, I'm not liking the picture which is emerging. I knew this was going to be the case, but that doesn't seem to make it any easier.

    A Sirian/Egyptian/Babylonian/Atlantean Old World Order and a Three Faction (Three Archangel?) New World Order (Raiders of the Lost Ark?) are of particular interest to me. I still don't really know if I'm getting warm, but it feels as though I am narrowing things down. I get the feeling that the Old World Order is at war with the New World Order -- and that the New World Order is engaged in a three-way power struggle -- but what do I know? While I do touch upon some dark aspects of the past and the present, I'm really not walking on the darkside. I want everyone to make it. I am not exclusive, but I am not a peace at any price kind of guy. I have made positive proposals of governance which provide for responsibility and freedom, in a context of law and order. I'm not seeking a savior. I am seeking a modus operandi which facilitates a peaceful and happy solar system. I'm seeing and hearing doom and gloom prophecies everywhere, including here, and there might be some substance to these prophecies -- but there shouldn't be.

    Again, I am not a retribution, utter destruction, and damnation kind of guy. Not in this incarnation anyway. I suspect that I might've been an SOB in some previous incarnations, but I'm not sure why. I've really been trying to understand the major players and powers in this solar system, going back thousands, or even millions, of years. I don't belong to any secretive organizations, even though I have been invited to join. I don't do any rituals, other than occasionally attending a Eucharist or Mass. I don't do seances or regression hypnosis. I am mostly a positive and possibility thinker, and I have been a fan of Norman Vincent Peale and Robert Schuller. I subscribe to a lot of the idealistic aspects of the Seventh-day Adventist church, but I do not subscribe to their exclusiveness, literalism, or their doom and gloom prophecies. I don't even go to church, because my conscience won't allow me to do so. Hobbies can be a sort of religion. Gardening can be a sort of religion. Sports can be a sort of religion. Politics can be a sort of religion. I don't care. As long as people are responsible, and don't hurt or kill each other, I couldn't care less what they do. Even the statements of Jesus have to be viewed regarding who he was fighting, rather than necessarily being statements of exactly how we should live today -- although we still seem to be fighting the same bastards Jesus was fighting. The church thing doesn't work for me. The internet thing hasn't worked for me. So, really, I'm turning to personal research and meditation, which mostly does not involve the internet. Should we really be thinking in terms of

    1. The Sirian Empire?
    2. The Egyptian Sirius A Empire?
    3. The Roman Sirius B Empire?
    4. The Orthodoxymoron Empire?

    What if all of the above are highly problematic? What if this really is a very nasty universe, and all of the above are as good as it gets? Should I really try to help create a kinder and gentler version of the Sirian, Egyptian, and Roman Empires? Would a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System help to achieve this goal? Would the best aspects of Egypt, Rome, and Bavaria need to be included, or even featured, in a United States of the Solar System? Should this be called the Orthodoxymoron Empire? Will things ever be really peaceful and wonderful? Will solar system governance always require a somewhat harsh edge? Will the corrupt always rule the stupid? Will those who have the gold always be the ones who rule? Is the Fourth Reich a Kinder and Gentler Version of the Third Reich -- or will the Fourth Reich make the Third Reich look like a Sunday School Picnic? Are the Reichs really a Roman-Bavarian Collaboration? What would Pope Pius XII say? Perhaps all of us are deluded, miserable wretches! Or maybe I should just speak for myself. "Oh Wretched Man That I Am!" I am attempting a certain degree of categorization, to try to make sense out of our past and present. I am trying to stay close to a somewhat Traditional Cristocentric Biblical Mindset, yet to remain open to all of the subjects and views which we encounter within The Mists of Avalon. This approach has led me (driven me?) in the direction of Christocentric Egyptology, with a special emphasis on Archangels and Extraterrestrials. Again, I've joked about imagining myself being a Renegade French Jesuit Organist. Well, this fantasy is morphing into the context of the City of London, the Church of England, and the Secret Government! I have a strong King James Version bias, and I have imagined the Queen of Heaven as having an English accent, so this is probably an appropriate move. If I had the financial means, I probably would relocate to England! But realistically, I may have to settle for attending the local Anglican church, even though I don't do communion anymore! Here is the story of a devoted French Catholic researcher. I like this sort of person! http://www.ceshe-usa.org/a_french_catholic.htm I continue to think that it is important to be a student of the Latin Mass, the Teachings of Jesus, and Sacred Classical Music, even if one is Anti-Catholic! It is a place of beginning, or a frame of reference. Many New Agers or Esoteric Researchers do not have a sense of history or a sense of place. I am revolted by the bloody history and theology of the Roman Catholic Church, yet there are many aspects of the Roman Model, the Royal Model, and the Sanctuary Model which should be carefully considered and taken seriously.

    If anyone feels particularly ambitious, consider spending some quality-time with the Latin Mass, the 'Desire of Ages', the Music of Widor, the Work of Gerald Massey, Ralph Ellis, and Robert Morning Sky. Does anyone out there, other than the Queen of Heaven and God of This World, have any idea of what I'm really trying to communicate? I tend to doubt it. A lot of things seem to be coming together regarding conceptualizing a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System, headquartered in the City of London. It's hard for me to adequately itemize the reasons why this might be, but I have a feeling in my bones, and a burning in my bosom. I think I might take another look at the British Museum (Cairo Museum?) in Cairo, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJ0p7NPoTrM&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL86BA80EB5DF5E919 and the James Bond 007 series of motion-pictures. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elN9QXJPnGg Then, perhaps I'll take a long, hard look at Vala Mal Doran aka Kitesh, and her daughter Adria (in 'Stargate SG-1') -- as well as the all grown-up Anna (and Diana) in 'V'. When I finish with that, I'll re-watch the Fifth Series of 'Dr. Who', which includes 'The Hungry Earth', 'Cold Blood', 'The Vampires of Venice', and 'The Beast Below'. Finally, I'll continue reading the 'Four Gospels' in the King James Version of the Holy Bible, as well as the '1928 Book of Common Prayer'. Strangely, I keep imagining being in a boardroom in the City of London, overlooking St. Paul's Cathedral. Manifest Destiny? What a tangled tale I weave, when I'm a completely ignorant and utterly insane fool. It's a nasty job, but somebody's gotta do it.

    Someone who should know, told me that there's a lot of truth to Dante's writings, and to the Book of Enoch. They also told me that merely reading 'Hostage to the Devil' by Malachi Martin could cause one to become demonically possessed. I'll stick to reading 'The Jesuits'. I've read the Book of Enoch, but I still haven't read much of Dante. All of this reminds me of the opening posts by abraxasinas on the old Avalon Thuban Q&A, which descibed a hellish situation in pornographic detail. The horror. Both the Old Testament and the Book of Enoch have a lot of negativity and fighting. History is filled with negativity and fighting. The newspapers, magazines, and internet are filled with negativity and fighting. If one has an idealistic vision for the future, must they fight to institute their views in a massive power struggle, where their followers are promised a utopia, once they defeat the infidels, unbelievers, or equivalent? The Book of Revelation is a horrible book of negativity and destruction. Those who are able to fight and lie with the greatest skill, tend to rise to the top, because they are able to win. The best individuals seem to mumble to a small group of true believers, if they are lucky enough to even have a small group of followers.

    I keep saying that it seems as though the corrupt will always rule the stupid. In a sense, I have cast my pearls into the multitude, with the hope that some of the badass players will use some of my thoughts as they battle other badass players. I've thought about becoming badass myself, but in a high-ground manner. So many good guys and gals are good and stupid. The key to success seems to be for one to be capable of great evil and deception -- yet to choose to do that which is in everyone's best interest -- in a somewhat cold and calculating manner. Imagine a boardroom full of 'Good' Illuminati meeting in the City of London, rather than the meeting Bill Ryan described a while back, in 'Anglo-Saxon Mission'. Of course, some nasty types might refer to Bill as being "Gulli-Bill"!!! The Trolls Commence Spraying on September 25! Actually, spraying wouldn't surprise me, but I continue to hope that all extermination events are off the table and out the door. Imagine There's no Genocidal Megalomaniacs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw4z-rSwNjY The thing which continues to haunt me the most, is the thought that even the very best can quickly become corrupted by a change of context or situation. Idealistic politicians usually get corrupted soon after they move to Washington D.C. -- or so it seems. Deception and Lack of Compassion seem to be integral components of successful competition. How pragmatic can a good individual become before they become corrupted? How good is too good? Is there such a thing as a 'Benevolent Dictator'? Is God a 'Benevolent Dictator'? Does a Good God quickly become an Evil Satan? Will a Constitutional Representative Republic always degenerate into a corrupted and confused mess?

    Check out 'The Book of Divine Worship'. http://www.atonementonline.com/bodw.php It's available online in PDF format. http://www.atonementonline.com/BODW.pdf You can even watch it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q251EywW__M&feature=related Here is the Wiki-Link. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Divine_Worship It looks like it draws from the 1928 and 1979 Book of Common Prayer, as well as from the Latin Rite and Novus Ordo Roman Catholic Masses. Notice especially the wording of the introduction. This seems to be all about Anglicans returning to Rome, reuniting with Mother Church, and being obedient to the Pope of Rome. I'm going to take a closer look at this today, as I continue to imagine idealistic forms of church and state, with a special emphasis on the Teachings of Jesus, the U.S. Constitution, the Church of England, the City of London, the Vatican, Washington D.C., the United Nations, and the Secret Government. This is playing with fire, and I don't know what I'm doing, but still I press onward, where angels fear to tread, as a completely ignorant fool. Do traditional Roman Catholics accept 'The Book of Divine Worship'? You know, the ones who think that Vatican II and the Novus Ordo Mass are heresy. Do traditional 1928 Prayer Book Anglicans and Episcopalians accept it? What about Progressive and Liberal Anglicans, Episcopalians, and Roman Catholics? What about Orthodox Christians? What about Lutherans? What about Seventh-day Adventists? (Just kidding!) Here is an interesting looking web-site. http://www.theanglocatholic.com/ I continue to be somewhat attracted to the traditional art-forms within the Anglican and Catholic traditions, yet I continue to have HUGE problems with a lot of the theology and history of the church. As of this moment, I'm a real religious and political mongrel, and I doubt that anyone would wish to have much to do with me. But I will continue this adventure into the unknown, into the foreseeable future.

    If people were convinced that their 'salvation' were not dependant upon church membership, church attendance, and stewardship -- would the organized religion party be over? Is there a place for Liturgical Discipline, and doing things just because the church says so? Is there a place for the strict Pre-Vatican II Nuns and Catholic Schools? Or should religion be 'Anything Goes'? I support freedom -- yet I keep speaking of responsibility and discipline. But I'm a hypocrite, because I don't attend church or submit to the Authority of Rome -- or any other city or town. I like cathedrals and sacred classical music, yet I don't wish to see a lot of new cathedral construction. I like the idea of using what we have, and pretty much leaving it at that. I like a liturgical service -- yet I wish one could be devised which contained more life, spirituality, and spontaneity. I doubt that I'll ever be happy with anything -- and this is a major reason why I don't attend church -- because I always want to change it -- and I don't want to cause trouble!! All of the controversial politics, religion, and conspiracy-theories are causing me to feel very ill at ease. In fact, it makes me sick. I'm tired of all of it, yet I seem to feel the need to try to help solve the madness within which we exist. But if everyone tries to solve the world's problems, does this not create a subset of problems? How much trouble have I caused by posting my ranting and raving about this and that? How should free-thinking researchers properly conduct themselves, so as to not create more trouble than presently exists? My answer has been to be open, honest, tactful -- and to limit my editorials and speculations to one or two web-sites. If I ever try to get a book published, it will probably be watered-down science fiction, rather than what I have posted on the internet. What if:

    1. Liturgy were based upon 'The Book of Divine Worship' and Sacred Classical Music?
    2. Doctrine, Lectionary Texts, Liturgical Wording, and Liturgical Interpretation were based upon the Teachings of Jesus?
    3. Sacred and Secular Governance were based upon the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights?

    I'm not saying this is the way things should be, but I am attempting to be sensitive to all concerned. I continue to support religious and political responsible-freedom, even as I seek to unify humanity into a reasonably harmonious whole. I want people to think -- and not necessarily alike -- but I also want people to stop hating and killing each other. One more thing. What if the Roman Catholic Church became an Anglican Use Parish? Do we need a Liturgical Year? Are Easter, Christmas, and Lent Biblical? Is Sola Scriptura Scriptural? What do you think about the Merry Human Sacrifice of Christ? I keep getting the sinking feeling that no matter what we do, things will continue to be bad. I used to have 'Heaven' to look forward to -- but now I think this world might be as close to 'Heaven' as we'll ever get. Perhaps the 'Purgatory' we live in is as good as it gets. However, I continue to like the idea of politicians being required to get PhD's in Governance, so that they have half a chance of knowing what the hell they are doing. I also like the idea of voters having to take a test to prove that they can vote intelligently, before they are allowed anywhere near the ballot-box. Finally, I like the idea of the general public casting half of the votes for every issue the elected representatives vote on. But really, life might simply be hard and problematic, no matter how we set things up. Pain might be the cost of doing business in the universe, regardless of whether the preachers and politicians are corrupt or not. Does the human race actually need a Reptilian Queen in a Lunar Temple -- to secretly rule over them in an unemotional and corrupt manner? Would self-rule result in an even worse situation? I am very afraid of the current secret factions, secret government, secret space program, secret laboratories, underground bases, and weapons of mass destruction situation. It seems out of control to me. The basic idea of advanced and centralized activities seems quite cool, if and only if it is properly managed. I welcome international and interplanetary cooperation. We frankly could accomplish a helluva lot, even with relatively low technology. Think of the proper use of solar power, electric everything, and belt tightening. In a sense, we don't need free energy -- although this would be very nice! Humanity just doesn't seem to have their act together in a lot of very crucial and important ways.

    I suspect 'regressive' exploitation, but I think we've brought most of our troubles upon ourselves. BTW -- I haven't received my ticket to the Denver DUMB! There must be some mistake! I'm almost feeling a sense of morbid resignation to what is coming. I'm really numb. I have no plans to try to hide or run. I just keep trying to think about idealistic theories of solar system governance, rather than going into panic mode. Who knows? Maybe they implemented a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System on September 27!! One never knows. If they did such a thing, who would be the winners and losers? Would everything go to hell, even if an idealistic governmental system were implemented? What sort of a learning curve might be involved? Would the really badass players use WMD's in retaliation? What would Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer say? What would God the Father say? What would the Greys and Dracs say? What do Greys and Dracs sound like? I think I might know. What would the Nazis, Masons, and Magicians say? What would Loki do? Would good people fight it, because they were scared and didn't understand it? The General Public are a huge part of the problem. I do my fair share of elite-bashing -- yet the heartless, two-faced, back-stabbing, rich and powerful elites would not exist if We the Completely Ignorant Fools did not elevate them to their haughty perches. Would bad people just take advantage of the situation, like they always do? Who knows? I have no idea what the real ET situation is, or who the real players are in all of this. My '2011, A Solar System Governance Odyssey', is my way of dealing with all of the political and financial madness. It's sort of an escape, even though it's an escape into another dimension of madness.

    I'd actually like to see political issues discussed extensively in churches, and I'd like to see some aspects of solar system governance occur in a cathedral, complete with sacred classical music. The biggest reason I can see for the separation of church and state, is the utter corruption and cruelty of the church, going back thousands of years. I wonder if they have separation of church and state in Heaven? "Hey God, haven't you heard about the separation of church and state? Don't give us any commandments. You keep out of politics, and just play your harp. Let us decide what to do, and what not to do." I rather like an integrated study of the Teachings of Jesus and the Federalist Papers. The Secret Government is what really troubles me. I don't necessarily object to the centralized structure and infrastructure of the Secret Government, but it seems as though it is a Rogue Alien Nation, which does not operate in the Best Interests of the People of the World. It seems to be cruel and corrupt. If the Secret Government issues are not properly addressed, the local issues and problems will never be properly resolved. I wonder how much of the sixteen trillion dollars went straight into Black Projects and Underground Bases? I keep getting the feeling that the Human Powers That Be thought they could double-cross the Other Than Human Powers That Be -- and proceeded to REALLY get the human race into hot water. But really, I have to keep playing a stupid guessing game, and I have to keep fighting an invisible spiritual cold war.

    I heard that Obama's Martha's Vineyard 'vacation' was interesting. I've half-seriously and half-jokingly spoken of meeting with Dracs and Greys on Phobos -- but I hear that the 'Big-Shots' really do meet with Dracs and Greys. I never know what's true and what's not, so I never take anything too seriously. Remember the Titanic? Supposedly it was built to be deliberately sunk, with the rich and famous people who opposed the Federal Reserve, becoming shark-food. Supposedly the World Trade Center was built to be demolished. The bracing was supposedly bolted, rather than welded. Who knows? What if some of these Underground Bunkers are modern-day 'Titanics'? I continue to think that if the excrement really hits the refrigeration-system, that there will be no place to hide -- even for the elites. In fact, they might be the first to get liquidated, because they know too much, and they have proof -- so they could be big trouble if they went rogue, or if they cooperated with the 'good-guys'. One of my ultimate goals is to be a Palmer Joss Type Fly on the Wall at the Really Important Solar System Meetings. In other words, I'm looking for a job. I'd even relocate to the Moon or Mars. Seriously. Unfortunately, then I'd know way too much, and we know what that often means. I'm trying to be an open friend and enemy of the 'bad-guys', with neutral but honest posting on the internet. We'll see how long I last. I routinely listen to Sherri Shriner on http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/ I don't subscribe to a lot of her views, but she presents an 'ET's are not our friends' perspective, and speaks about immanent zombie attacks and other unthinkable horrors. She does seem to have some inside information, and I just listen to try to condition myself to deal with upsetting and strange phenomenon. So, in a sense, it doesn't matter if anything she says is true or not. She claims that there are several Obamas!

    The whole cloning, soul-transferance, soul-scalping, revivification, perfect-possession, etc. thing is really quite upsetting to me, and who knows how much of it is true? Some individuals might be able to change bodies like most people change clothes. One might be a Drac in the morning, a Grey in the afternoon, and a politician or a televangelist in the evening. Perhaps there really is an operational Avatar Program, where an individual might be in a particular location, and pilot an avatar hundreds or thousands of miles away. I think there are a lot of relevant parallels and symbolism in the movie 'Avatar'. Does 'Avatar' depict many aspects of our situation? The leaders of the Navi were especially interesting to me -- especially the spiritual leader. Here is an interesting video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZcuJKilUdw Filmed in Denver, August of 1997, at the Global Science Congress Convention. Arousing and provoking lectures by Paul Schaffranke and Harry Hubbard as they briefly outline certain spectacles of thought and nature. Displayed are maps from the Lazeria Collection, and the first public showing in North America of the world's oldest map of Atlantis, crafted by the Jesuit Priest, Atanasias Kircher in 1665, which proves that modern day Plato books have been tainted with important sections left out for obvious reasons. http://illinoiscaves.com Here's more. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vfncs1S84k8&feature=related A lot more. Things have almost gotten to the point that if one wishes to be an insider, the information is out there. One might not have power, but they certainly can have knowledge, if that's what they want. The truth is out there. Now I'm going to listen to Sherri, and try to get my head together. I am committed to an attempted neutrality and objectivity, regardless of what I am considering or who I might be dealing with. I think and worry too much, don't I?

    The original Project Avalon, combined with The Mists of Avalon, might be excellent places to begin your University of Solar System Studies and Governance academic career. I'm very serious. You won't end up with a Marketable Job Skill, and it might even drive you nuts, but perhaps this is a Missing Link in the Consciousness Evolution of Humanity. I'm overwhelmed by all of this. I'm becoming more confused and bewildered, each and every day. Things are not resolving, yet I press onward, even as I slide further and further downhill. I am a supporter of the progressive release of forbidden knowledge, yet I do not support cramming all of the new and upsetting information down the throats of the general public. If most people wish to watch football and chase skirts -- so be it. Those who wish to spend (waste?) their lives on the internet, digging into this and that, can do so, even though it probably won't make them as happy as watching football and chasing skirts. I'm really not into forcing people to do things -- other than being responsible in everything they do. I even like the idea of the Mafia becoming more ethical and responsible -- and becoming increasingly legitimate and less violent. Come on guys! Do it! I think there are responsible and irresponsible ways of doing just about anything. I like the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights -- but look at some of the Reprehensible Horrors connected with the United States of America over the past couple of hundred years. I like the Teachings of Jesus -- but look at some of the Reprehensible Horrors connected with the Professed Followers of Jesus Christ over the past couple of thousand years. My preference for a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System is not an attempt to strong-arm or force people to do anything. It is Intended to Provide a Safe Environment for the Human Race to Pursue Responsible Freedom with a Plurality of Methodologies. There might be such things as Responsible Socialism or Responsible Communism -- even though that would not be my preference.

    What would the English Model combined with the American Model look like? You know, the Monarchy, the Church of England, and the U.S. Constitution -- living together as one, big, happy family! Might this pave the way for a Modified Roman Model of Church and State? Do you understand what I am hinting at here, without spelling it out? Consider the City States from the perspective of the Church of England and the City of London. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtyFC2Nl_6Y I love that sort of thing! Here is a documentary on the Church of England to get the ball rolling. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy0Vo4Rx3SQ (It starts a couple of minutes into the video - and has several parts) What if the Monarchy, the Church of England, and the U.S. Constitution were somehow combined? Strange bedfellows? Weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth from just about everyone? What do you think? Perhaps I should spend some quality time thinking about a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System within the context of England -- but with a watchful eye on Rome, New York, Washington D.C., and Mt. Weather. Does anyone see where I'm going with this? I'm looking at a Kinder and Gentler Globalism on Steroids. Oxymoron, or Wave of the Future? What if a Completely Reformed City of London ruled the Solar System? Did I get your attention???!!! Imagine Underground Bases beneath the City of London. Imagine St. Pauls being the visible meeting place of a United States of the Solar System. OK, don't stone me! This is just another conceptual test! I don't get included in anything. Period. So, I have to create my own imaginary party. Eh? What? Tea Time? Earl Grey Please! Again, the goal is to achieve an idealistic and non-corrupt solar system governmental system which is not godless and lawless. One sour note in all of this is exemplified by the following video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw4z-rSwNjY I really want the creepy and bloody stuff to go bye-bye. I like the idea of pomp, circumstance, reverence, and awe -- combined with the non-violent and non-corrupt ways of the world. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD0lx9MKp7Q If church and state were not corrupt and idiotic -- must they be kept separate? On the other hand, if the devil were in charge of church and state -- might it be better to keep them separate? How about sending the devil packing? I think that solving the world's problems are very doable, unless there are Galactic Powers That Be who won't allow us to solve our problems, and live happily ever after. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9mFn9EhgU4 No one seems to really wish to discuss Rebellion, Disobedience, Original Sin, War in Heaven, Unpardonable Sin, Old Covenant, New Covenant, the Law of God, Karmic Debt, as well as Problems with the Concept of a Substitutionary Atonement in the Context of an Investigative and Executive Judgment. Just Crucifying the Earthly Powers That Be might not accomplish a damn thing.

    It really makes no sense to keep posting, especially when there is no meaningful conversation. I'd love to chat, but I really get the feeling that the sort of conversation I crave is not possible in this solar system. I don't think the problem is just here on this small site. I think it's everywhere. I'll continue researching and writing in private. I will try to refine and practice what I have been preaching. The best sermons are those one preaches to themselves. I talk to myself constantly. I'd be happy to talk to others, at some point, but I don't think that time is now. In fact, that time might never come. Continue to take a very hard look at God the Father, Michael, Lucifer, Gabriel, Old World Order, New World Order, Sirius, Ancient Egypt, Knights Templar, Teutonic Zionism, Ashkenazi Jews, the Secret Government, the Secret Space Program, Reptilian Queens, Genetic Hybridization Programs, Ancient Technology, the Nazis, Masons, Jesuits, Solar System Governance, the True Nature of the Soul, Original Sin, the Substitutionary Atonement, Human Sacrifices, and -- oh never mind. This is pointless -- at this point. I think I'll re-read 'Evangelicals on the Canterbury Trail'. I really don't wish to trample upon anyone. I simply wish for things to work properly in this solar system. I am not shaking my fist at the Creator God of the Universe. I am shaking my fist at the Evil, Violent, and Corrupt Powers That Be -- Human and Otherwise. Of course, I continue to fly blind. They keep forgetting to brief me -- or is it by design? Benign Neglect Perhaps? Maybe I should take another look at my '1928 Book of Common Prayer', or at 'The History of the English Church and Nation'. BTW - I humbly beseech thee to tell me what the hell 'vouchsafe' means? I used to sing in the choir of a fairly conservative Episcopal Church, but they used the 1979 BCP. I have a nice hymnal/prayerbook combo. I just have problems with the monotone repetition and the human sacrifice communion. I didn't participate in the communion portion, the last time I attended an Episcopal church. https://www.youtube.com/user/jrgenius#p/c/37916339B8A4312C/16/BGtl-jU4ZAk I understand that George Washington would always leave the church when it came time for communion, and then return later, to pick up Martha. I tend to think that George was a Good Mason. A Good Mason is Hard to Find. Princess Diana seemed to possess a magical blend of formality and informality, which I found irresistably attractive.

    The Roman Empire Rules Today. But Who Rules the Roman Empire??? We might have a helluva lot more to worry about than the Roman Empire, the New World Order, and the Powers That Be. I keep suggesting the possibility that we might have a Galactic Problem of Biblical Proportions. The Rockefellers, the Rothschilds, the Queen, the Pope, and even Lucifer, might be Middle Management. I keep telling you to study Theology -- and not the Theology of the Televangelists or the local branch of Salvation4Sale. Try to answer some of the questions I have asked within The Mists of Avalon. Some of the questions have been rhetorical, and some of them have been genuine inquiries. These videos will aid your study. I have a love/hate relationship with Globalism and the Universal Church. What if a new church emerged, called 'The Universal Church'? What if a new government emerged, called 'The United States of the Solar System'? I have provided a study guide within The Mists of Avalon to assist you in achieving an Idealistic and Mysterious Blend of Politics and Religion. Once again, get informed without getting mad or going mad. Was Osiris/Horus and Egypt at the center of the Old World Order? Was Isis/Ra and the Rise of the Roman Empire (Holy and Unholy) really at the center of the Rise of the New World Order? Have the Knights Templar (in all of their forms) done the Dirty-Work for the Roman New World Order? Did the Roman Empire REALLY fall? Did the Nazis REALLY lose? What was and is the Role of Ethiopia and Khazaria in all of this? Is there a connection between NAZI and ASHKENAZI? Does NAZI really stand for National Socialism? I can see where N comes from, but what about AZI? These are hard and troubling questions, and once again, I have no animosity. This is just a big puzzle to me. I think I could carry on a cordial and constructive conversation with the Pope, the Black Pope, the Queen, the Queen of Heaven, and the God of This World. If they wouldn't hurt me, I might even talk to a roomful of Dracs and Greys on Phobos. I have been both critical and supportive of the Vatican, the Secret Government, and the Underground Bases. The real-estate, art, libraries, archives, etc. are of unimaginable value, and the world should benefit from it, and enjoy all of it. I simply have a problem with what seems to be a corrupt and violent union of church and state -- but a completely reformed solar system might retain many key aspects of the current Vatican, Secret Government, and Underground Bases. I've most recently been thinking about a United States of the Solar System, centered in the City of London, networking with the Underground Bases, the Church of England, the Secret Space Program, the United Nations, the Vatican, and Washington, D.C. But this would be a non-secretive, non-corrupt, non-violent sort of thing. But I don't know if this would be possible, or even if the Galactic Powers That Be would allow it. Now I'm going to watch another exciting episode of 'Dr. Who' as I await the End of the World. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbOI3uRggJE&feature=rellist&playnext=1&list=PLC364B04CAAA298D6

    I'm going to try to think of an idealistic solar system government, based within the City of London -- just for the heck of it. Rome, San Francisco, or Garden Grove would be just fine, but there are some vital and interesting aspects of governance potential contained within the City of London. I'm trying to look at both the positive and negative aspects of the Secret Government, but I support positive reinforcement. I think I'm going to try to make a detailed study of England, but I don't wish to play favorites. I just want the solar system to function properly and peacefully. The corruption and violence present in the history of the solar system is unimaginably horrible -- and I don't know the half of it. Has anyone thought about the City of London, the Underground Bases, the Mag-Lev Trains, the Secret Space Program, the Church of England, the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights -- with an elected non-bloodline King/Co-President/Co-Pope and Queen/Co-President/Co-Pope who serve ten-year terms in a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System? What if the ten thousand U.S.S.S. Representatives lived and served in England? Don't be alarmed. This is just more speculative modeling. I am so unsuccessful and mediocre, that I have to spice up my life with this sort of thinking. Some people watch soap operas, but I imagine starring in 'Pinky and the Brain'!! I really am a broken and despondant, completely ignorant fool, in this incarnation -- but I have a feeling that things might've been very different in other incarnations. I also think I might've been a two-faced, backstabbing, sonofabitch in some of these incarnations, and I'm almost frantically fearful regarding what I think my reincarnational history might reveal. I kid you not. I presently desire a happy ending for all concerned, but I don't know what to do with the most evil and dangerous beings in the solar system. Are some beings too dangerous to save? I don't know, but I lean toward incarceration -- even if some beings might have to be imprisoned for all eternity. Unfortunately, I don't know enough about the true state of affairs to make any proper judgments or determinations presently, so I'm simply trying to not be a knee-jerk reactionary jerk. Finally, I suspect that righteous and noble efforts to save the solar system probably haven't been appreciated, aren't appreciated, and won't be appreciated. I've done a lot of whining, but have I done much thanking? I haven't, have I? But really, my present study has caused me to appreciate the problems facing life of all types in this solar system, and I am deeply appreciative of those who have tried to do the right thing, for millions of years. Namaste.

    What if the United States of the Solar System were somehow combined with the Church of England -- Under the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights -- with the King and Queen being sort of a Mr. Pope and Mrs. Pope - and a Mr. President and Mrs. President? What if the King and Queen were no longer bloodline and lifetime positions? What if they were elected positions, with say ten year terms, so each new decade might have a new King and Queen? What if these individuals had no personal wealth - yet lived reasonably royal lives as their compensation during their terms, and during their retirement? What if they basically served as ambassadors and ceremonial figures, who would communicate with dignitaries, as well as with the general public? What if the day to day governmental system were basically a glorified, refined, and dignified version of the American system? What if most or all of the above replaced the so called 'Secret Government'? What if the Church of England followed more closely the Fundamental Teachings of Jesus - with a Royal Religious Service which eliminated any hint of Human Sacrifice? What if said service were mostly music and procession - with 90% sacred classical music and 10% of the very best sacred contemporary music? Perhaps most preaching is best reserved for the classroom, where various viewpoints can be discussed, rather than people getting religion crammed down their throats, without the option of raising their hands, and questioning what they just heard. If this hypothetical methodology were successful, would the Roman Catholic Church join the party, or would they fight it tooth and nail? My guess is that they would rather fight than switch - on the basis of pride, autonomy, and historical continuity - if nothing else - and I can't say that I'd blame them. What I keep wondering, is what do the very best and brightest religious and political minds in the solar system REALLY think??? It's one thing to be a Muzzled Big Shot, and quite another to really say exactly what you think and believe. Once again, this is just more conceptual modeling. Don't hate me. Just talk to me. Kyrie Eleison. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaVaNw3jito&feature=related

    What if a completely reformed City of London were the Actual Physical Headquarters of a New United Nations, a Visible and Open 'Secret Government', the United States of the Solar System, a Largely Ceremonial Church of the Solar System, a Non-Corrupt Solar Financial System, and the Nerve Center of a Solar Defense System (Including the Underground Bases, the Secret Space Program, and the Weapons of Mass Destruction)? What if the Vatican and the United States of America were deeply involved in all of this, but neither gave orders or took orders? I haven't thought this through, so don't crucify me just yet. What if St. Paul's Cathedral were the primary meeting place for all of the above -- with lots of pomp and circumstance? What if the other buildings in the City of London were devoted to the administrative and financial aspects of all of the above? What if the Area Beneath the City of London were devoted to the Solar System Defense Activities? What if 2,500 of the 10,000 Representatives of the United States of the Solar System lived in and around the City of London -- with the other 7,500 spread throughout the Solar System -- communicating with each other and the public via Secure and Encrypted InterPlaNet? What if Oxford and Cambridge were the primary campuses of the University of Solar System Studies and Governance? What if everyone had a Seat at the Table - with no one left out in the cold? Can you visualize what I'm saying? Where there is no vision, the people perish. Visualize Whirled Peas. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d9RJMOP9Tw&feature=list_related&playnext=1&list=AVGxdCwVVULXf377rlJqab6PtViKk4sxfs
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    I honestly don't think that either the good-guys or the bad-guys wish to have anything to do with me. I honestly don't wish to have anything to do with myself. Regardless of whether anyone likes anyone or not, I still have to pay what I owe, and what I don't owe. I wasn't going to mention this again, but I need to raise some tax-cash fairly quickly, to save my house, so I am interested in putting something together for publication, using this thread. I wish to remain anonymous, so if anyone knows anyone in publishing who might be interested, please PM me. I'm timid and paranoid, because of the controversial subject matter, so I'd really like to remain incognito with a pseudonym, and with all tracks well covered. There would have to be some sort of insider involvement, because I don't know how accurate I have been, or how potentially problematic some of my thoughts might be, if more than a dozen people read them. This thread has really been 'in house'. Also, it might be cool if insider types could answer some of the questions I've asked as a part of the potential publication. An interview with the Queen of Heaven and God of This World might be cool! They could just interject their answers and comments into a refined and well-edited manuscript. The book might involve a pictorial tour of the solar system, including some of the secret stuff. Just a thought. I'll pledge 50% of any profits to a worthy charity, such as A.D.R.A. I need help with things like pictures and copyright issues. I will continue rewriting the thread, and I might possibly put it into novel form. I will self-publish if I have to, and I probably will have to.

    I continue to wish to resolve things, rather than creating more problems, so I really am receptive to working with 'the man'. The reality-checking, spell-checking, selecting, editing, packaging, marketing, and those interviewed, would make all the difference in the world. I think there is a basic style, contextual superimposition, and editorial slant, which might make all of this madness of interest to someone. I might even buy five copies for my mother to drive up the numbers. This paragraph is sort of dumb and out of place, but I'm sort of desperate. Thanks in advance! My mailbox continues to be empty regarding this request, and this doesn't surprise me. I was once rejected by Harper and Row, and I just walked away from writing because of that negative experience. That happened a long time ago. One problem with a book, is that it sort of locks a person into a certain perspective. Also, I rely heavily upon links, quoted material, forum member comments, pictures, and paintings - and these things cannot be contained between the covers of a book. Unfortunately, very few people subject themselves to my tripe, and I don't get paid for doing this! My tripe is an acquired-taste! Nuff said! What would Zadok say? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcfR4utkASo&feature=related What would Ra say? Amen? Now it's time to clean house and take out the trash. This is an important and great work. What would the Great Architect say?

    I like the exchange of ideas -- even when the exchange turns bitter. Sometimes new light shines forth in the heat of battle. Unfortunately, the level of collateral damage is often devastating and unacceptable. I'd still like to hang-out wherever the top-level, closed-door debates take place -- not to be directly involved -- but merely to be a fly on the wall -- and to type reports and reflections on the proceedings, which might be beneficial to all concerned. I really think that if you go through this thread with a fine-tooth comb, you will create a very interesting science-fiction show for yourself. I think there is something of substance here. I am not a master of any of this material, but I think I have combined the work of others in such a manner, that a solution will emerge. That solution might not be the one which I have hinted at. It might be quite different. I will continue to research my bias, to see how far I can go with it. This will mostly involve the reviewing of all of my threads, including all links and referenced materials. I anticipate the endless rewriting of my threads -- adding thereto and truncating. It's going to take some time to get this right. I'm still in the dazed and confused stage. I'm still running around the internet like a beheaded chicken. Luckily, I know how to keep my mouth shut in 'real-life'. No harm -- No foul. Right? I don't have an organization or a show. What you see on this site is pretty much it. I have intended for this to be sort of an open back channel, which the right individuals might consider. The more I look at the infowar, the more I want to focus on the previous decade, where the information is still fresh, but the greed, fear, deception, and sensationalism has passed. With such an approach, one might well get blind-sided by very real current  catastophies, but maybe that's just an occupational hazard. I think everything is manipulated from the shadows, for better or for worse, so I really like the idea of taking the previous decade as a whole, and trying to make sense out of it, rather than trying to out-think those who really call the shots. So, Jan. 1, 2000 to Dec. 31, 2009 would be the current search area -- and all of the current madness would be seen with peripheral vision. This is just a thought that I haven't really thought about. So much to think about. So little time.

    I have become more aware of how complex things are, how much trouble there really is, and how smart and stupid people can be. I often don't think very quickly, and I don't have a great memory, but I still like to listen to bright people discuss various issues. I'm sort of a lazy thinker. I have observed very bright people arrive at very wrong conclusions. I have observed 'menial laborers' making a heck of a lot of sense. I have also observed intelligent powers that be continuing to be involved in some of the most destructive and diabolical activities -- which leads me to the conclusion that they are following orders. But I don't doubt that the ones giving the orders are also very bright. This makes me wonder about the various levels of evil and manipulation at work in this solar system, and possibly beyond. I'm quite fearful, and I'm alarmed by how quickly good people can become bad people. The highest levels of the powers that be should probably live lives of relative poverty, or at least have very little personal wealth. Perhaps they should live the lives of monks in a monastery. Who knows? Once again, this thread is sort of a diary, with lots of imagination and role-playing, so it probably comes across as being neurotic, flippant, and self-centered. The pain that I experience daily, makes me appear to be more rebellious and sarcastic than I really am. A lot of this is catharsis, but some of it is reflective of very real character flaws. Just remember that when the Character of Christ shall be perfectly reproduced in His People -- then shall the Lord come to claim them as His Own. Read between the lines on that one.

    Are hatred, rebellion, and deception integral aspects of competition and freedom? Please think long and hard about this question. Was whoever rebelled against God in Heaven really on the right track? Is ruling humanity by secrecy and deception really a legitimate modality of governance? Should democracy rule? Should theocracy rule? Should a theocracy rule a democracy? Should a theocracy and democracy be intertwined? What would be the proper role of God in a United States of the Solar System? Once again, what was the Original Sin? Was the Original Sin also the Unpardonable Sin? Would an idealistic United States of the Solar System need to be theocratically implemented and maintained? Would Responsibility need to be enforced with an Iron Fist? Would Responsible Freedom need to be imposed upon the inhabitants of the Solar System - whether they like it, or not? I advocate maximizing Responsible Freedom in a Context of Legitimate Law and Order. How does a civilization keep all of this in a properly buffered balance??? I continue to think that we are running out of time to get this right. I continue to think that some very powerful eyes and minds are focused upon this solar system and the fate of humanity. All is not well in this neck of the woods. Have the last one hundred years been good for the people of the world? Is the environment in better shape now than it was in 1911? How many people have suffered violent injury and death from purges, exterminations, warfare, murder, and mayhem in the past one hundred years? Do drugs and surgery really make us healthier and happier? Is acute-care drugs and surgery medicine better than preventive-medicine and natural-care? Have Weapons of Mass Destruction made humanity safer and happier? Are we on the brink of extinction? Has high-technology improved the quality of life for the majority of the people of the world? Is the human race presently more responsible than in 1911? How much money has the private Federal Reserve collected in the past one hundred years? How much gold has been stolen in the past one hundred years? What is the total world-wide debt in US Dollars? Was the per-capita debt-level higher in 1911 (with all relevant adjustments)? Is most of the 'modern' high-technology really stolen ancient technology? Who do the business, political, and religious leaders REALLY take their orders from? Who REALLY rules the world and solar system? Who should rule the world and solar system?

    All I know, is that I don't want things to be bad for anyone. I grew-up listening to biblical doom and gloom prophecies. Then I turned to positive thinking and self-esteem -- where everything is fine and we're terrific -- even if everything sucks and we're idiots. Then I sort of walked away from everything. Lately, I've been looking at alternative viewpoints, and many of them are worse than the biblical doom and gloom I grew-up with. Of course, there is the golden-age viewpoint. But everyone seems to feel that there is going to be massive death and destruction in the near future. Why can't we simply think in terms of gradually making things better for everyone, in a responsible and evolutionary manner? I'm not saying that bad things aren't going to happen, but I am going to focus on tracing our true history, and on idealistic conceptualizations of government and religion, which are two sides of the same coin. I have no ill-will toward anyone, yet I will attempt to pressure everyone to be better and do better. I just wish I could be better, and do something. Anything. Even if it's wrong. It just isn't happening. I continue to think in terms of being an unofficial member of the Stargate SG-1 team, as sort of a galactic-diplomat, who deals with Hathor, Ra, Vala, Adria, Baal, Apophis, et al -- in a calm, cool, and collected manner. Another Day - Another God or Goddess to Deal With. The imagination is a wonderful thing.

    Nothing is ever done about the really blatant insanity. It seems to be protected. Once one becomes the Chosen One -- They Can Do No Wrong -- Unless They Buck the System. I'd like to know who REALLY writes and approves the teleprompter-speeches. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvKX16Eygs0&feature=related It seems that the Pawns That Be are merely Actors on a Stage -- and that We the Completely Ignorant Fools are merely Playthings and Lab-Rats in the Hands of Vengeful Deities. It seems as though nothing succeeds like success. So, is there a right way to succeed? Are the health and wealth preachers on the right track? Is exposing lies and corruption a lost cause? Was Jesus wrong when he said 'The Love of Money is the Root of All Evil'? Is looking-good more important than being-good? Is the bottom-line really the bottom-line? Will the corrupt always rule the stupid? Will those with the gold always rule? Is getting a TV Show or becoming a Billionaire the Pinnacle of Human Achievement? Does money talk? Does BS walk? Should pure and idealistic beings (human and otherwise) attempt to save an unethical and ungrateful human race? Should the wise cast their pearls before the swine? Are appearances everything? Are symbols more important than substance? Should businessmen screw the competition -- and their secretaries? Should secretaries give their boss a raise? Did Building 7 really collapse into its own footprint at freefall speed -- without a controlled demolition? Are the City States the Most Holy Places on Planet Earth? Is God on our side -- or are we being exploited by Vengeful Deities? Does Jesus Christ Need an Extreme Makeover to Become Acceptable to the Gods, Goddesses, Preachers, Politicians, and People of the World? Should Jesus Christ Become a Mason -- and Deal with the Devil? Should we have a Messiah-Contest or a God-Off? Is God Alive and Well -- and Living in Orange County? So many questions. So litte time.

    The Truth Will Set You Free -- If It's Not Already Too Late. It Might Be Later Than You Think -- But Don't Blame Yourselves -- Blame Each Other -- Like You Always Do. What if the Book of Divine Worship, Sacred Classical Music, the Teachings of Jesus, the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights became the core of an International Ecumenical Church -- with no ties to Canterbury or the Vatican? Now I'm really playing with fire! Right? But don't worry. I'm so sick of everything, at this point, that I'm not going to do anything. I doubt that things will ever really improve. My posts continue to be met with stone-cold silence. It's quite obvious to me that to get anywhere in this world, that one must Deal with the Devil, and become one of the elite Pawns That Be. World Without Reason. Amen. Is the End Really Near -- This Time? I Love All of You. It Could've Been Good. It Might've Been. Namaste, Godspeed, and Geronimo.

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    Post  Jenetta Tue Aug 13, 2013 1:10 am

    Oxy you remind me of the fellow who plays the starring role in "Powder"...I feel your a kindred spirit of Powder. My best advice to you is to put this educational material (edited of course) into a manuscript. If your planning on stopping posting at the end of August you must have a good reason...forget the naysayers...they've only got peanuts in their brains.
    Remember peace is a commodity we can all use regardless of reptilian queens...where would they be without their drones, eh?

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    Post  orthodoxymoron Tue Aug 13, 2013 1:48 am

    Thank-you Janetta. I feel very uncomfortable with this thread. It is an experiment. One would have to be a genuine insider to really know what's what. I simply enjoy sampling what others are saying and doing -- such as in this video on Protestantism and Catholicism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBEsrcF9SGg I feel as if I know less now than when I started this thread. I am very much at sea. I would NOT be able to talk eloquently in public, such as the man in the video is able to. I might try to write some sort of book -- but I don't know what to write. The material in this thread is much too upsetting and speculative for the general public. It's really too much for me to properly digest! This is really 'in-house'. Thanks for the heads-up on Powder! 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVhha4fjO4k 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHh1108IRGU I get the feeling that we are a bunch of Renegade Angels on a Pioneering Journey -- with Very Mixed Results. I Truly Believe This Journey is in a Final Judgment Phase -- and That a Verdict Will be Rendered in the Very Near Future. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0Y1Qg10pys
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    Post  magamud Tue Aug 13, 2013 1:54 am

    I never heard of this guy.  I like the way he thinks.  Very animated.




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    Thank-you magamud. Here's some information about Carrado Balducci. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrado_Balducci This is the sort of person who I think knows what's really going on in this solar system -- but I wouldn't necessarily trust their public statements -- and I wouldn't necessarily approve of them. I just think they KNOW. I'm really neither Protestant or Catholic or Jewish or Adventist or New-Age or Atheist or Agnostic (although I might be sort of a Seventh-day Sedevacantist New-Age Anglican-Agnostic)!!! With friends like me -- why do I require enemies??? I just started reading Exo-Vatican by Tom Horn and Chris Putnam. What Would Monseigneur Bowe Say??? Consider studying Science, Science-Fiction, and Sacred-Scripture in the Context of the Ancient and Modern Orion-Sirius-Babylonian-Persian-Egyptian-Hebrew-Greek-Roman Empire and Church (aka Universal Church??). This thing might be Bigger and Nastier Than We Can Possibly Imagine. Be Careful. We Might be Dealing with Men of God!!

    Monsignor Corrado Balducci (born May 11, 1923, in Italy; died September 20, 2008 in Italy[1]) was a Roman Catholic theologian of the Vatican Curia,[2] a close friend of the pope,[3] a long-time exorcist for the Archdiocese of Rome,[2] and a Prelate of the Congregation for the Evangelization of Peoples and the Society for the Propagation of the Faith.[2] He has written several books about the subliminal messages in rock and metal music, diabolic possessions, and extraterrestrials.[2] Monsignor Balducci often appeared on Italian TV to talk about satanism, religion, and extraterrestrials.[4]

    Education

    Balducci graduated in 1954 from Pontificia Accademia Ecclesiastica, the Vatican training institute for priests who will be future papal ambassadors, or nuncios.[5]

    Extraterrestrials

    Balducci has said that extraterrestrial contact is real.[4][6][7][8][9]

    The Devil

    Balducci says: "The Devil is an angel who became evil from choice; as a [fallen] angel it is a spiritual being. Therefore its existence is a truth which cannot be demonstrated directly, but no less certain for that, since it falls within the fully documentable historical fact of the Revelation. Had God not disclosed this truth, man would never have been able to find out with certainity [sic] the existence of demons and angels [...] The devil, being an angel, has a nature and abilities which are much higher to ours; however, whereas angels use their powers for the sake of good, demons use them for evil and perverted goals".[10]

    In relation to the teachings of the Catholic Church, he has stressed that extraterrestrial encounters "are not demonic, they are not due to psychological impairment, and they are not a case of entity attachment, but these encounters deserve to be studied carefully."[3] He denies the rumor that the Vatican follows reported incidents of extraterrestrial encounters from its nunciatures in different countries.

    Balducci's opinions received a wider context in 2008 when the Vatican's chief astronomer José Gabriel Funes also discussed the possibility of extraterrestrial life.

    Quotes

    As God's power is limitless, it is not only possible but also likely that inhabited planets exist.[11]
    It is probable that there are other beings, that is not very strange, because among the human and angelic nature, of which we have the theological certainty, there is a big too much discrepancy. And among this man, in whom the spirit is subordinate as to the matter, and the Angels that are alone spirit, are probable that they exist of the beings that have spirit with the very less matter and body of that, that we have. They could be those that we call UFO, these persons that would appear with these wagons, and that also have not only one science, but a natural guardian ability to the our.[12]

    Quote rewritten in better English, hopefully paraphrased correctly:

    It is probable that there are other beings. That is not very strange, because there is too much discrepancy between human and angelic nature, of which we have the theological certainty. And since in man, the spirit is subordinate to matter, and since the Angels are alone spirit, it is probable that beings exist with very much less body and matter than we have. They could be those that we call Ufo, these persons that would appear with these wagons, and that also have not only one science, but a natural ability to be our guardians.[12]

    Awards

    2005 PRG Disclosure Award [1]

    Media

    Books

    ISBN 978-85-86812-08-8 Diabo: ...Vivo e Atuante no Mundo, O (paperback, 2004)
    ISBN 978-88-04-37999-7 Il diavolo (Grandisaggi) (1994)
    ISBN 978-88-384-1561-6 Adoratori del diavolo e rock satanico (1991)
    ISBN 978-0-8189-0586-5 The Devil "Alive and Active in Our World" (paperback, 1990)

    Videos

    Safespace - Fastwalkers - Winter 2006

    References

    1.^ a b "Monsignor Corrado Balducci". Paradigm Research Group. Retrieved 2007-01-13.
    2.^ a b c d "Balducci, Corrado". St Pauls Publications. Retrieved 2007-01-13.[dead link]
    3.^ a b Boylan, Richard. "Vatican Official Declares Extraterrestrial Contact Is Real". UFO Digest. Retrieved 2007-01-11.
    4.^ a b "New FATHER BALDUCCI assertions about Extraterrestrials". nonsoloufo. Retrieved 2007-01-13.
    5.^ "PONTIFICIA ACCADEMIA ECCLESIASTICA". Vatican - Roman Curia. Retrieved 2007-01-11.
    6.^ Valerio, Monti; Max Barucca. "Monsignor Padre Balducci". UFO Disclosure. Retrieved 2007-01-11.
    7.^ Monsignor Corrado Balducci (1995-10-08). TV Show (TV). Italy: RAI 1, Programme "SPECIALE TG1".
    8.^ Monsignor Corrado Balducci. Fastwalkers (DVD). Fastwalkers.
    9.^ Monsignor Corrado Balducci. Extraterrestrial Contact and Close Encounter (11 Minute Mark) (DVD). Disclosure Project.
    10.^ Domenico Caruso - Parapsicologia oggi - "Nel Mondo del Mistero" - Centro Studi "S. Martino" - S. Martino (R.C.), 1987.
    11.^ Adriano, Forgione. "UFOs and the Vatican". UFO India. Archived from the original on 2006-09-10. Retrieved 2007-01-11.
    12.^ a b "FATHER BALDUCCI assertions about Extraterrestrials". nonsoloufo. Retrieved 2007-01-11.

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    I think I'd like to do a Master's and Doctoral Program Based Upon This Thread -- Leading to a (You Guessed It!) PhD in Solar System Studies and Governance. Where should I go to do such a thing? I should Go to Hell??!! There might be some truth to that! UNLV in cooperation with Area 51? Don't laugh! That might not be as far-fetched and ridiculous as it sounds. I think I know a graduate of UNLV -- who might know a thing or two about Area 51. What would Inigo Loyola say? Does anyone know the current status, location, and condition of Osiris, Isis, Horus, and Set? Believe it or not, I am worried about all of them. That doesn't mean that I necessarily like them or trust them, but I think they all might be in a helluva lot of trouble, for a variety of reasons. My working hypothesis is that they are all here in this solar system at this time, but I don't absolutely know this. This view obviously requires a belief in reincarnation, and I don't know what to think about small (g) gods and goddesses and Big (G) Gods and Goddesses in connection with Osiris, Isis, Horus, and Set. I am thinking of Osiris as being a Sirian King aka God the Father. I'm thinking of Isis aka Archangel Gabriel as being a Hermaphrodite Reptilian Queen of Heaven. I'm thinking of Horus aka Archangel Michael as being Physically Human and an Ancient Reptilian Queen at the Soul-Level. I'm thinking of Set aka Ra aka Archangel Lucifer, as being a Physically Human/Reptilian Hybrid and a Reptilian Queen at the Soul-Level. This is mostly speculation, but it is educated speculation. These hypothetical individuals are a very important part of the ongoing science fiction show in this thread. I think a lot more than I write, because I'm afraid to print what I think -- even on this little web-site. I'm taking my private science fiction very seriously -- and if you were me, you would understand why. This is all very draining and nerve-wracking. It's a miracle that I still have some semblance of sanity remaining. I keep seeing an ancient dysfunctional royal reptilian family, who is family with humanity. East of Giza? The Gods and Goddesses of Giza? God the Father and the Trinity Goddesses? We Three Reptilian Queens? Isis, Horus, and Set? IHS? An alphabet agent type of person once spoke disparagingly of 'The Bitches' in connection with our brief discussion of the 'V' series. He seemed to hint that I had done something of value, but he didn't say what. This was a couple of years ago. I saw him several months later, and he didn't seem happy at all. He said something about me being smartest person on earth, but unimpressive in person, or something to that effect. I didn't ask any questions or make any comments. I simply and briefly answered the questions he asked. This is only one of many strange things which have happened to me in the past couple of years. There were strange things before, but not concentrated into such a short time period. I can't take much more of this. I feel like disappearing. Anyway, I still need some help with putting a book together, and with finding a school which will work with me regarding ultimately getting a PhD in Solar System Studies and Governance. I'll need book-money to provide school-money and saving my house money.

    Regarding my most recent posts on a United States of the Solar System headquartered in the City of London -- studying at Oxford or Cambridge would be optimal -- but that obviously is not going to happen -- but it would be cool. The England hypothetical is just that -- another pseudo-intellectual modelling of solar system governance -- without a staff, budget, or Cray. I just can't stop playing with fire, now can I? All roads might lead to Rome -- but my Solar System Governance Roads are presently leading me, Siren-Like, to the City of London. I know about the creepy reptilian stories, and who knows what the truth is? But if it is a snake-pit and a pit of corruption, then it needs some attention, doesn't it? I won't eat the fruit and I won't eat my dragon -- but I still might suffer a poisonous snake-bite. I might have to change my name to oxyoxon. Does anyone know why? Please forgive my seemingly blasphemous speculation. There is no disrespect intended. I simply feel that the 'God' we are dealing with in this solar system is not the Creator God of the Universe. I'm suspecting a dysfunctional family of gods and goddesses, who are a mixture of strengths, weaknesses, good, and evil. One should consider ALL of the possibilities before arriving at a conclusion. I am merely trying to 'do' theology from a different angle. But this angle is not PC, so therefore I just mumble to myself on the internet. I don't necessarily believe my theories, but I take them so seriously that I feel as though I am in the middle of a very sticky situation, with the fate of the solar system and human race at stake. If I decide to continue this thread, I will most certainly be a lot more serious and scholarly. I'm going to pretend that I'm already in a Solar System Studies and Governance Graduate Program. But realistically, the intellectual and spiritual heavy-lifting will be within the privacy of my own mind -- because I doubt that anyone would wish to work with me at my level -- and probably for good reason. But I still keep thinking about a Boardroom Overlooking St. Paul's -- and I'm not sure why. Might the City of London logo be representative of Isis, Horus, and Set -- with a Disempowered Horus? The academic world would eat me alive, wouldn't they? The reptilians probably would as well, and perhaps they will. The horror.

    Once again, what if a completely reformed City of London were the Actual Physical Headquarters of a New United Nations, a Visible and Open 'Secret Government', the United States of the Solar System, a Largely Ceremonial Church of the Solar System, a Non-Corrupt Solar Financial System, and the Nerve Center of a Solar Defense System (Including the Underground Bases, the Secret Space Program, and the Weapons of Mass Destruction)? What if the Vatican and the United States of America were deeply involved in all of this, but neither gave orders or took orders? I haven't thought this through, so don't crucify me just yet. What if St. Paul's Cathedral were the primary meeting place for all of the above -- with lots of pomp and circumstance? What if the other buildings in the City of London were devoted to the administrative and financial aspects of all of the above? What if the Area Beneath the City of London were devoted to the Solar System Defense Activities? What if 2,500 of the 10,000 Representatives of the United States of the Solar System lived in and around the City of London -- with the other 7,500 spread throughout the Solar System -- communicating with each other and the public via Secure and Encrypted InterPlaNet? What if Oxford and Cambridge were the primary campuses of the University of Solar System Studies and Governance? What if everyone had a Seat at the Table - with no one left out in the cold? Can you visualize what I'm saying? Where there is no vision, the people perish. Visualize Whirled Peas. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d9RJMOP9Tw&feature=list_related&playnext=1&list=AVGxdCwVVULXf377rlJqab6PtViKk4sxfs I had a choir-director who especially liked Ely Cathedral. This video made me think of him. What would Phil, Angela, and Kimo say? https://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=uHTua_Q8CL0 Imagine the Representatives of the United States of the Solar System processing into St. Paul's accompanied by the 'Marche Pontificale' by Widor!! I know I'm a pipe-dreamer -- and I'm afraid it's made a bit of a mess of me. I think it's made me a target of the darkside -- and perhaps even a target of the lightside -- but in very different ways. Freedom, Responsibility, Sovereignty, Law, and Grace are VERY BIG WORDS. I keep feeling an overwhelming sense of scorn, ridicule, and condemnation. A Christian pastor was even nasty with me a few days ago -- without me participating in the nastiness -- although I was tempted.

    One more time, would having a political body meeting in a cathedral, to the tune of sacred classical music, constitute the establishment of a state church? If the representatives wore robes, would this make them clergy? I guess what I want is the pomp and circumstance, glory and grandeur, reverence and awe of the church -- but without the BS. If you don't know what I mean by the BS and the GLORY (the agony and the ecstasy) in the church -- I'm not going to even try to explain. Would the Banksters in the City of London be receptive to the concept of a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System -- Headquartered in the City of London -- and Ceremonially Meeting in St. Paul's Cathedral? I'm not happy with the United Nations, the Secret Government, and the City States -- but I think that learning from their often reprehensible history, and positively reinforcing the best of the past -- would be a good thing. What would the Pope, the Queen, the President, the Secretary General, the Queen of Heaven, and God of This World think of such a revolting development? I doubt that they would go for it. In ancient terms, what would Osiris, Isis, Horus, and Set think of such a revolting development? I tend to think that Horus would be OK with it, but that Osiris, Isis, and Set would not wish to surrender one bit of authority. Forgive me if I have gotten this wrong. I support having an Authority of Last Resort, and a Running Commentary from the Heavens -- but If the Gods and Goddesses Treat the Human Race Like Children -- People Are Going to Act Like Children. There should be a proper central standard and modus operandi for solar system governance, and the best and the brightest people of the world should be given appropriate levels of responsibility, relative to solar system governance. But what do I know? Can I know everything about anything -- without knowing everything about everything? But I'm not sure I really wish to know the whole story. The more I know -- the more I wish I didn't know. I just wish that I knew exactly who we are dealing with in this solar system -- and I wish I knew exactly what I am supposed to be doing. Am I supposed to stand tall? Am I supposed to kneel? I've got no problem doing either -- as long as I'm not being deceived or taken advantage of. I neither wish to be a Pious Zombie or a Rebel Without a Clue. I simply wish to be a Responsible, Response-Able, and Loving Participant in a Brave New Solar System aka a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System. If the True and Living Creator God of the Universe has other plans -- then so be it...

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    Just keep researching. I don't trust anyone or anything at this point. I don't wish to be rebellious. I simply wish to do the right thing. I will keep thinking in terms of idealistic government and religion as being two sides of the same coin. I won't sell my soul to anyone or anything. I will keep attempting to ask the hard questions. I will continue to be suspicious when no one will really engage me on this thread -- and once again, I'm not just referring to the members of this forum. There are those in the know, who know what I'm posting, and should be talking to me on this thread, on the record, for all to see. I don't need to be right. I wish to do what's right, and to learn the truth -- whether I like it or not -- or whether anyone else likes it or not. I think this thread just scratches the surface, and I think that the Ancient Conflict of the Ages aka the Great Controversy is not over. Not over at all. I wish it were. I don't like to fight, but I'm thinking more of becoming more of a Peaceful Warrior -- as contradictory as that seems. This implies the discipline and refinement of a highly trained warrior - yet one who ethically fights with their mind, rather than physically fighting. I'm thinking of myself as being a Renegade French Jesuit Organist, Living in the City of London -- Serving on a Continuity of Solar System Government Taskforce!! I guess I'm attempting to combine the best of the Teachings of Jesus, Sun Tsu, and the Federalist Papers. But honestly, my aspirations are a lot more impressive than the dismal reality of my life. Hope springs eternal. I'm conceptually setting up shop in the City of London, just for the conceptual heck of it -- not because I'm in bed with the Queen or the Rothschilds! This is a test. This is only a test. I don't really know what I'm dealing with or what we are dealing with. I'm hoping for the best -- yet I am preparing for the worst. I'll probably come across as not being very friendly, because I will continue to test everyone and everything -- including myself. I suspect that many will initially hate me, because I make them question who they are, and what they believe. I will continue to limit my activities to a very select audience, because of the controversial and speculative nature of my posting. Reader beware. Do your own research. In a sense, I don't care if I'm right or wrong. I care about helping to ultimately achieve the truth -- but the truth might be highly illusive. If it feels good -- don't believe it. Once again, please study this thread while listening to sacred classical music, and spending a lot of time in nature. These are not idle words. My posts seem random and disjointed -- but this is for a reason. I am utilizing repetition and contextual superimposition to make my case -- and to make you think. I expect to conceptually make England my home for the next few months. It just feels right, for some strange reason. I sometimes wonder if I have a Sirian, Egyptian, Italian, German, French, and English reincarnational history -- with my happiest incarnations lived in France and England. I have a feeling that I've been through hell, lifetime after lifetime. I think I was born sad. When I was twelve, a girl called me 'Droopy'. I tend to think that I subconsciously knew all about the secret Nazi SS BS, even as a child.

    Unrelatedly, why didn't Hitler simply attempt to conquer Europe and Great Britain in the least destructive manner possible? This territory would've included the Vatican and the City of London. It would've included the Headquarters of the Anglican Communion and the Roman Catholic Church. Why bother with the Jews? Why the horrible persecution, torture, experimentation, and extermination? Why fight Russia and the United States? Why go into North Africa? Did Hitler wish to conquer Underground Bases in North Africa? Did Hitler attack Gizeh Intelligence? Did Hitler bite the hand that was feeding him? Why not try to win the world over by being a City on a Hill, and a Model of Excellence? My current theory is that Adolph Hitler and Pope Pius XII were controlled by the same Hidden Hand. I tend to think they were simply pawns. Did the Devil Make Them Do It? The above questions seem to support this theory, because the surface explanations make no sense - just like the surface explanations for 9/11 and the Iraq Crusade make no sense. The whole Third Reich situation was very, very strange -- and the Fourth Reich seems to have the potential of being even stranger and more destructive. Somewhat unrelatedly -- make a study of high-ranking Nazis and Catholics who died in 1958. Was there a purge of sorts, to eliminate those who knew too much, or who might in some way hinder the Rise of the Fourth Reich? Siriusly. This world is so screwed-up. I just can't stand it. Unfortunately, this might be as good as it gets, anywhere in the universe. I hope things are better somewhere else, and that things can be better here, but I'm not counting on it. I'm basically thinking in terms of the survival of the human race. We really do seem to be on the brink of extinction. What would Vala Mal Doran say? Is there a real-life Vala aka Kitesh? I tend to think so. There might even be more than one. The horror. I recently made a shrill comment about being watched. I apologize, and I have removed the comment. I am simply frustrated with what seems to be a game of 'cat and mouse' -- with me being the mouse -- surrounded by a pack of condescending cats. I don't like this situation one bit -- but this isn't the fault of the watchers -- whoever they are. People who don't want to be watched, shouldn't talk about Angels and Demons, the Secret Government, the Secret Space Program, or the End of the World. World Without End. Amen Ra. Speak of the Devil -- where are you Ra? What's happening? Whatever it is, I doubt that it's good. What really happened underground in the Eastern United States? On the other hand, I'm not sure I really want to know. Ignorance is bliss. So, if I'm a completely ignorant fool -- why am I not happy??? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53-FM7MMPmQ I am trying to think about being a composite of the best attributes of Osiris, Isis, Horus, and Set -- as delusional as that sounds. I'm trying to associate faces and behaviors with these names. I'm trying to see the history of the solar system through the eyes of Osiris, Isis, Horus, and Set -- which would include all of their equivalent names and incarnations. Do you see my point? You don't? Perhaps it's just as well...

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    What if Oxford, Cambridge, Manchester, Harvard, Yale, and Berkeley were the Earth Campuses of the University of Solar System Studies and Governance? What if there were Branch Campuses on the Moon, Mars and Venus? Would nine campuses be enough? Just a thought. I'm going to stick with the English theme for a bit. Maybe more than a bit. Something about this feels right. Perhaps I'll lay off of the Vatican for a while, and go to work on the English! What if Rome became subject to Canterbury?! What if the Roman Catholic Church became part of the Anglican Communion? What if they used the Book of Divine Worship and essentially became Anglican Use Parishes? What if the Jesuit General had an office in London and Rome? I just stepped over the line, and stepped on a bunch of toes, didn't I? I should stop meddling and rambling, and just take a class in English History at Yale! I once attended an awards banquet in Beverly Hills, where Bronson Pinchot said he would be attending Yale -- and the MC kept thinking that he was just saying "Ya" as he kept repeating his answer -- but Bronson was just using a heavy Kennedy accent! Please remember that this thread is intended to make serious researchers think about things which are way out of the envelope. All of this is about resolving political and religious issues. Some of these issues might be incredibly difficult to deal with. This thread should be studied on a daily basis, with lots of repetition. I'm not claiming special knowledge or inside information. I'm just a casual oberver in the grandstand of life, and I have noticed some things of interest, which seem quite important to me. I might've gone about all of this in the wrong way, but if I made you upset with me, maybe you set out to prove me wrong, and found out that some of what I hinted at was actually true. This has been my attempt to prepare you for the truth -- sort of like John the Baptist. YOU will need to take this thing to the next level. I'm really going to try to stop. They have ways to make me stop. Many ways. I think I might study the Kings and Queens of England, the Church of England, the Queen of Heaven, and the Monarchical Episcopate -- as it relates to Osiris, Isis, Horus, Set, and the Sirian-Egyptian-Roman Empire -- with a special emphasis on Christocentric Egyptology. On a lighter note, regarding the recent Supreme Court downloading decision, proof of financial loss of one party relative to the financial gain of another party should be determinitive in such matters. Downloading probably involves counterbalancing losses (diminished sales) and gains (free advertising), thus requiring no court action against unrepentant downloaders and other such reprobate evildoers, who will undoubtedly face the Wrath of Almighty God in the Great Hereafter. "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay" saith the Lord. The Supreme Court has apparently left things in the Lord's Hands. Just kidding. I couldn't resist. On a more serious note, if most of the Supreme Court Justices are Roman Catholics, why is "Roe v Wade" still the law of the land?? Does God no longer frown upon the killing of babies?? Is this not murder?? Is hell no longer a burning question?? Hell hath no fury like that of a scorned reptilian queen...

    I have recently gained a deeper appreciation for the dangers of changing things -- and the hazards of not changing things. For example, what if the Roman Catholics, Greek Orthodox Christians, Lutherans, Anglicans, and Episcopalians were subject to the Archbishop of Canterbury? What if the Liturgy were simply sacred classical music (prelude and processional) > sacred contemporary music > a relevant sermon, homily, or lecture > sacred contemporary music > sacred classical music (recessional and postlude)? Why do we have to stand, sit, bend, nod, wear fancy hats, sit upon thrones, follow the lectionary, follow the liturgy, follow the liturgical-year -- and swing the thurible in modernity? Would anyone go for a royal-informal-traditional-contemporary-minimalist service -- or would this start World Wars III, IV, and V - simultaneously? Should a minimalist-traditionalist service consist only of processions, sermons, and sacred classical music? This would probably be my personal preference, if and only if, it were done properly, with excellence and genuine spirituality. But I am dealing with the feelings of others, and with how people pray. I am not an island. I do not wish to kick sand in people's faces, and I apologize if I have already done so. People will fight change and reformers. People will fight the status quo and the powers that be. People will fight just to fight. Right? If some of you would actually talk to me, you might be surprised how easy and reasonable I am to work with. A mind is a terrible thing to waste -- unless you have a vested interest in not making things better. I continue to adore the classical art, architecture, and music of the church. I continue to be horrified by the historical theology, persecutions, and atrocities of the church. I continue to love the pomp, circumstance, reverence, awe, glory, and grandeur of the church -- interspersed with deeply spiritual informality. There are huge liturgical problems with the liturgical church -- but most of the alternatives don't seem to be changes for the better. I will continue to contemplate all of this from my imaginary abode in a completely reformed and refined City of London. Breakfast with the Archbishop. Lunch with the Rothschilds. Dinner with the Queen. This could be Heaven, or this could be Hell. Which is it going to be??? One more thing. The omega of apostasy will be of a most startling nature. The horror.

    I continue to lean toward structural and visual continuity -- combined with internal purification. Do I need to explain? Assuming, for a moment, that there really are Osiris, Isis, Horus, and Set Factions of a Sirius-Egyptian-Roman Empire -- might the Horus Faction be the Most Righteous, but Least Powerful and Least Competent Member of the Empire? But, if this is true, might competence be a relative term, wherein one must be corrupt to 'properly' deal with a corrupt empire? "What is one to do, when to rule men it is necessary to deceive them?" "Give them what they want, and tell them what they want to hear?" Will the corrupt always rule the stupid? Can one be so heavenly-minded, that they are of no earthly good? How good is too good? Do those who practice to deceive, deliberately create a tangled web of deceit? Was that a rhetorical question? If you can't convince them, confuse them? Would Pragmatic Righteousness be a Contemporary Necessity for a Restored Horus? WWJD? Would a Horus-Dominated Sirian-Egyptian-Roman Empire disintegrate into chaos within twenty years? Is there an important lesson to be learned from Catholic-Continuity -- despite the historical absurdities and atrocities? Would Horus need to be a Kinder and Gentler Version of Osiris, Isis, and Set -- yet be capable of ruling with a Titanium-Fist When Necessary??? The Horror!!! Should most Roman Catholics, Anglicans, Episcopalians, Lutherans, and Orthodox Christians effectively become members of Anglican Use Parishes -- with the Book of Divine Worship, the Teachings of Jesus, Sacred Classical Music, and the Archbishop of Canterbury being the Common Denominator? This is very scary stuff, when you really stop and think about it. It's sort of a damned if you do, and damned if you don't situation! Is the Traditional Liturgy a Theological Milestone or a Historical Necessity? Is the Traditional Liturgy Liberating or Enslaving? The Show Must Go On! But Why? How Protesting are Protestants? How Universal are Catholics? Who presently tells the Pope and the Black-Pope what to do? Might the orders already originate in England? Do all roads really lead to Rome? He who has the gold, rules! So, who has the gold? How much does it really cost to keep light on the Earth? Does the Bank of Sirius have a branch office in the City of London? Anyway, while you ponder that, consider this:

    THE BOOK OF DIVINE WORSHIP: A Catholic Claim to Anglican Patrimony by Fr. Christopher G. Phillips http://www.theanglocatholic.com/

    The Book of Divine Worship is one of the results of the implementation of the Pastoral Provision of Blessed John Paul II, which he approved in 1980, and which opened the way for Anglicans to enter into full communion with the Catholic Church while maintaining worthy elements of their Anglican heritage. In this brief presentation, we are looking particularly at the Book of Divine Worship as it contains many of those elements, and as part of the Church’s response to requests which had come from various corners of Anglicanism, but most especially from some Episcopal clergy in the United States. The initial appeal made to the Holy See included a request for the Catholic ordination of Anglican clergy, with the possibility of dispensations from celibacy for married clergy, which was granted. It included also the request for some sort of parish structure to which the laypeople could belong, which was granted. And it included a request for elements of our Anglican liturgical heritage to be incorporated into a fully Catholic liturgy. This, too, was granted. It is this liturgical aspect of the Pastoral Provision which interests us for the purposes of this presentation. When we made the request for “elements of our liturgical heritage” to be approved, those of us who asked knew very much what was in our minds. In addition to the daily Offices of Morning and Evening Prayer, it was a request for what would be needed for parish life, not only such things as the Rite of Baptism, Matrimony, and Burial of the Dead, but especially it was a request for a fully Catholic rite of the Mass. The liturgical life which had formed us, and which had nurtured in us the desire for full unity with the Catholic Church, had always found its expression in the traditional Missals found in Anglo-catholicism – whether the English Missal (known as the Knott Missal) or the Anglican Missal, or the American Missal – all of which are variations based upon the same principle; namely, the supplementing of the Book of Common Prayer to make it a more Catholic expression of our faith. Although the various Anglican Missals had been developed while we were in a state of separation from the Holy See, nonetheless these developments tended to focus and define our desire for Catholic unity, and so our request was based on our desire to bring this enriched form of Prayer Book worship into the fertile soil of full Catholic communion.

    In 1983 a special committee was established by the Holy See, under the jurisdiction of the Sacred Congregation for Sacraments and Divine Worship (as the CDW was called then), in conjunction with the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. The task of the committee was to propose a liturgical book to be used by the parishes and congregations being established under the terms of the Pastoral Provision. I was privileged to serve on that committee. Then-Archbishop (later Cardinal) Virgilio Noe served as chairman, and there were various liturgists and theologians taking part. I was the only member of the committee who would actually be using the liturgy we were to discuss. As we began our deliberations, it became evident the members of the committee did not all have the same agenda – and that, of course, would not be unexpected. The majority of the membership did not share an Anglican background, and so had not been formed by an Anglican liturgical life – again, that would be expected, and it was perfectly reasonable that the committee membership would be comprised of people from different backgrounds. Within a short time after beginning our work, it became clear that there were three positions developing within the committee. There was the position (certainly my position) that all of the Anglican Missal tradition should be approved; there was the position that none of the Anglican Missal tradition should be approved; and there was the position that we should pick and choose, incorporating bits and pieces of the Book of Common Prayer. The Book of Divine Worship which resulted shows much of the strain we experienced within the committee. It is marked by evidence of necessary compromise and committee decisions. There is some evidence of the Missal tradition; however, there is even more evidence of the desire by many on the committee to jettison that tradition, and to make this a liturgy more contemporary in its style, which meant that much of the source material was taken from the 1979 Book of Common Prayer – a version of the Prayer Book which none of us who had made the initial request had ever even used. In some ways, the Book of Divine Worship is an unsatisfying book, easily criticized by those on both banks of the Tiber. In some important instances, it is incomplete. There is a jarring mixture of linguistic styles within it. It has the feeling of being a “cut and paste” document, because, in a very real sense, it is exactly that. Bits of the 1928 Book of Common Prayer have been joined with pieces of the 1979 Book of Common Prayer. The Offertory Rite from the modern Roman rite has been inserted. The Gregorian Canon has been lifted out of the traditional English Missal, and inserted as an alternate form of the First Eucharistic Prayer, but it bears the marks of some ICEL adaptations in the words of institution, and with the Mysterium Fidei separated from its tradition place.

    Even such things as the magnificent Prayer of Humble Access – so much a part of our traditional preparation before receiving Holy Communion – is in a truncated version, quite different from its more traditional and familiar form. A list of the shortcomings of the Book of Divine Worship could go on at some length, but to what end? Its importance is not so much in what it contains; rather, it is important because of what it is. The existence of the Book of Divine Worship, as a fully-approved Catholic liturgy, means that it is – at the very least – a place-holder, a “foot in the door,” if you will. For the first time, because of the approval given to the Book of Divine Worship, the mellifluous English translations of Thomas Cranmer were fully incorporated into a liturgy of the Catholic Church. What Dr. Cranmer would think of such a thing, we cannot know; however, although his heretical theology has no place here, his brilliant skills as a translator most certainly do. It is this “Cranmerian” or “Prayer Book” style of English which is perhaps one of the greatest treasures of our Anglican patrimony, and it is what defines the traditional versions of the Anglican Missal. It is what moves the Anglican Missal away from simply being the Extraordinary Form in English, and transforms it into a liturgy which is firmly grounded in the traditional Catholic rite of the Mass, but expressed in a particularly Anglican way, with specific Anglican enhancements. It is this “Prayer Book” style of expression which is basic to the Book of Divine Worship. In fact, the “cut and paste” sections of the Book of Divine Worship are immediately evident, because there are portions of it which depart from this traditional style of English. We should make a special note that it is not simply a matter of including “thee” and “thou” in the text. There is something else about the soaring phrases and time-proven sentences which make them so memorable and so pleasing to the ear. Consider, for instance, the Collect for Purity, one of the opening prayers of the Mass, which has its roots in an ancient collect, but which has been superbly translated by Cranmer: Almighty God, unto whom all hearts are open, all desires known, and from whom no secrets are hid: Cleanse the thoughts of our hearts by the inspiration of thy Holy Spirit, that we may perfectly love thee, and worthily magnify thy holy Name; through Christ our Lord. Amen. Or, even lovelier I think, the Prayer of Humble Access, said just before Holy Communion: We do not presume to come to this thy Table, O merciful Lord, trusting in our own righteousness, but in thy manifold and great mercies. We are not worthy so much as to gather up the crumbs under thy Table. But thou art the same Lord whose property is always to have mercy. Grant us therefore, gracious Lord, so to eat the flesh of thy dear Son Jesus Christ, and to drink his blood, that our sinful bodies may be made clean by his body, and our souls washed through his most precious blood, and that we may evermore dwell in him, and he in us. Amen.

    Certainly, the sentiments expressed in these and so many of our traditional prayers make them memorable. But there is more to those prayers than just the thoughts contained in them. There are principles having to do with the particular rhythm of the words, and the cadence of the phrases, which were put into practice and perfected by those who compiled the prayers found in the Book of Divine Worship, and which we consider to be an important part of our patrimony. There is an excellent essay titled “The Prayer Book as Literature,” written by Dr. W. K. Lowther Clarke in 1932 and included in his larger work, Liturgy and Worship. In his essay he discusses possible reasons for the beauty of some of the phrases we use in our worship. In part, he says, “A particular theory has recently been propounded to account for the literary qualities of the sixteenth-century Prayer Book, namely, the survival of the cursus, or flow of the cadence in prose. The beauty of Latin prose depended on the arrangement of long and short syllables, especially at the end of the sentence… The cursus had three main forms: planus, with the accent on the second and fifth syllable from the end; tardus, on the third and sixth; and velox, on the second and seventh.” Just as music follows certain rules to achieve a beautiful end, so it is with literature. Excellent writing does not consist simply of stringing words together. It involves a rhythm. It shows sensitivity to the zenith of a phrase. It allows for a cadence. In the liturgy, when we think of a prayer as being “beautiful,” it describes not only the sentiment it contains, but also the way in which the thought is expressed. This is why so many contemporary prayers are unmemorable. The ancient principle of cursus has been put aside because of the mistaken notion that ignoring it would somehow make prayers clearer. The “Prayer Book style” (if I may call it that) has survived in the Book of Divine Worship, and it is part of the very patrimony being referred to by Pope Benedict XVI in his Apostolic Constitution, Anglicanorum coetibus. In the third section of that Constitution, the Holy Father says, III. Without excluding liturgical celebrations according to the Roman Rite, the Ordinariate has the faculty to celebrate the Holy Eucharist and the other Sacraments, the Liturgy of the Hours and other liturgical celebrations according to the liturgical books proper to the Anglican tradition, which have been approved by the Holy See, so as to maintain the liturgical, spiritual and pastoral traditions of the Anglican Communion within the Catholic Church, as a precious gift nourishing the faith of the members of the Ordinariate and as a treasure to be shared. We should notice an important statement within that section of Anglicanorum coetibus, where it refers to “…the liturgical books proper to the Anglican tradition, which have been approved by the Holy See…” One of the principles expounded by some members of the 1983 committee was a requirement that the only material that could be used in the Book of Divine Worship was material which could be found in a Prayer Book which had been approved by an official Anglican body. It was this (mistaken, I believe) requirement that kept out liturgical material from the traditional Anglican Missals, which had not received such authorization, even though such material was very much a part of Anglican tradition. But Anglicanorum coetibus states clearly that the Ordinariates may use elements of the Anglican tradition “which have been approved by the Holy See,” with no reference to previous official Anglican approval.

    Now that we are entering the era of the Anglican Ordinariates, we have a unique liturgical opportunity. In fact, although the title of this short presentation is “The Book of Divine Worship: A Catholic Claim to Anglican Patrimony,” I think that title might be backwards. In light of what Anglicanorum coetibus is calling for, a more accurate title might be “An Anglican Claim to Catholic Patrimony.” In other words, we want – indeed, we need – a fully Catholic and historic liturgy, which can be expressed in a particularly Anglican way. We need a liturgy with its own integrity – not a “cut and paste” effort which attempts to put an “Anglican veneer” on an invented liturgical use. The Book of Divine Worship was a necessary first step towards an authentic Anglican Use liturgy. At the press conference on the day Anglicanorum coetibus was announced to the world, Archbishop DiNoia held up a copy of the Book of Divine Worship and stated that it would be a “template” for the Ordinariate liturgy. But we should not stop with a “first step,” nor should we consider a “template” to be a finished product. This liturgical chapter in the Church’s history must have its place in the hermeneutic of continuity. Some of us have been using the texts of the Book of the Divine Worship in public worship for a generation. Because our spiritual and liturgical lives were formed by the Anglican Missals of the past, so we have attempted to uphold that important hermeneutic of continuity by conforming the Book of Divine Worship to those Missals as completely as the rubrics would allow. Our efforts are now confirmed by the words of Anglicanorum coetibus itself: that the members of the Ordinariates are “to maintain the liturgical, spiritual and pastoral traditions of the Anglican Communion within the Catholic Church, as a precious gift nourishing the faith of the members of the Ordinariate and as a treasure to be shared.” The various editions of the Anglican Missals are undoubtedly part of Anglican tradition, since their very purpose was to enhance and enrich the Prayer Book liturgy, moving it in a more Catholic direction. These Missals were used by Anglo-Catholics within the Anglican Communion throughout the world. Those of us who entered into full communion through Blessed John Paul’s Pastoral Provision a generation ago, were using some version of the Anglican Missal up until the time of our reception, and those Anglicans awaiting their reception into the Church through the Ordinariate continue to worship according to a traditional Anglican Missal. Certainly, the Ordinariate Catholics who wish to use the Ordinary Form of the Roman Rite – or even the Extraordinary Form – have full permission to do that. It is stated very clearly in Anglicanorum coetibus, and in fact that is presently the preference in the Personal Ordinariate of Our Lady of Walsingham in England. However, for those who will enter the Ordinariate in the United States, or Canada, or Australia, there is a clear preference for a liturgy which exhibits a hermeneutic of continuity with the historic Missals which have been foundational to the spirituality which has brought us home to the Holy Catholic Church. The Church has called for an Anglican Ordinariate liturgy. We know this liturgy is to have the Book of Divine Worship as its starting point. The Book of Divine Worship is now poised to be enriched and completed by what we have known in the various editions of the Anglican Missal. Therefore, to ignore the Missals in the development of a global Anglican Use liturgy for use in the Personal Ordinariates would be not only a rupture with the past, but it would miss the clear expectation expressed in Anglicanorum coetibus, to maintain those good things from our Anglican heritage which have nurtured our faith.


    The eucharistic liturgy is not given to us in scripture. Did Jesus instruct us to attend church, and participate in the Mass, or in an unbloody version of his brutal murder and human sacrifice? Why do we not follow the Sanctuary Service, specified in great detail, in the Old Testament? What changed, exactly, when Jesus cried "It is finished", and the veil separating the Holy and the Most Holy Places in the Tabernacle was rent in twain, from top to bottom, by unseen hands? Consider the Ninth Chapter of the Book of Hebrews. How readest thou? Who possesses veto-power in holy-writ? The power went off for half a minute when I first typed this paragraph. I half expected an unexplainable darkness, accompanied by a great earthquake, with the dead coming forth from their graves. Would this be the Resurrection of the Dead, or would it be a Zombie-Attack like the one seen in 'Legion'? I keep sensing that male and female human physicality is on the verge of being deliberately terminated, and I suspect massive foul-play and nepharious motivations at the highest galactic levels. I just can't seem to embrace the extermination of the human-race, regardless of how much joy I might experience sans corpus. There is an information overload, and a lot of the information is depressing. It takes a lot of work to properly sort through things, and one almost needs to be a professional researcher to get everything straight. There is a cold infowar which could errupt into a hot civil war in the near future. As I keep researching and speculating, my fear level keeps rising. This is not a good sign. I feel less and less inclined to wake people up. I feel more inclined to attempt a top-down transformation of the United Nations, the Secret Government, and the City-States. My mumblings on this web-site are directed toward that end. I don't talk to people in 'real-life' about all of this controversial stuff. I really did want to discuss the true state of affairs of this world, solar system, galaxy, and universe -- in detail, and I was prepared to go into microscopic detail, but this was seemingly not meant to be. I did speak with someone who seemed to be an insider, but they were quite evasive, and they wouldn't answer most of my questions. I enjoyed talking to them, but I didn't trust them. I sensed extreme intelligence and courage, yet I also sensed a very dark past and present. I am more conflicted about this encounter than anyone can possibly imagine. The conversation seems to be completely ended, and I am very fearful regarding what has transpired since we last spoke, and even before that. I am also very fearful regarding the immediate future. Our conversation should've been more open, honest, and detailed. There should've been others involved in this conversation as well. This whole politics, religion, and angelic matter continues to seem very deceptive, manipulative, secretive, and cruel. I'm feeling zero love tonight.

    I keep thinking that a proper discussion, of psychology, ethics, politics, and religion -- from a historical and contemporary perspective -- should accompany any 'ascension'. I worry that we might be 'ascending' into a Fourth Dimensional Final Jihad aka the Battle of Armageddon. 'New Bodies' and 'New Race' talk scares the hell out of me. I have an Extermination-Phobia that you wouldn't believe. To whom it may concern: please don't exterminate the human race to save your face. This last sentence is based upon intuition, rather than anything of substance. I just keep thinking that the Original Sin was the Unpardonable Sin, and that Nothing can commute the Torture and Death Sentence Against Humanity -- Even if the Verdict Were Somehow Erroneous, Extreme, or Unjust. Again, this is not based upon anything solid -- but I think about it almost continually. I have tried to think about possibilities and probabilities which most people have never considered -- and some of these seem to be irreverent -- but shouldn't we consider as many possibilities as possible before arriving at the most important conclusions and decisions imaginable -- such as issues which might involve persecution and extermination? I have tried to most closely identify myself with Jesus Christ -- and any Reincarnational Appearances of Michael-Horus-Jesus -- but this path has been most troubling -- because the Traditional Story seems to fall apart. Also, the Lucifer-Satan Story is mostly Non-Existant in the Biblical Cannon. The historical gaps and inconsistencies are gigantic. I have even wondered if Michael-Horus-Jesus is the real rebel in the eyes of the universe -- and I have wondered if the Lucifer figure (and/or Gabriel) has functioned as an enforcer of a hypothetical Torture and Death Sentence against the Human Race. Crucifixes are a clue regarding the true galactic status of Jesus Christ. I'm also wondering if Michael-Horus-Jesus was the Chief Musician in Heaven? Might Michael have also been a Geneticist, Artist, Architect, Writer, etc? Was Jesus merely a sexually repressed weakling, who was mouthy to the powers that be, and got himself crucified? I think the true and full story has been carefully hidden, and replaced with lies. I could go on and on -- but I need to sleep. I'm ready and willing to talk 24/7, but I'm really trying to stop posting. I keep saying this, but then I keep posting. You wouldn't believe the internal war I experience each and every day, and I'm tired of enduring life, rather than living it. Unfortunately, I'm not sensing a lot of love and light in all of this. I suspect that history is worse than we can possibly imagine, and I suspect that a positive and satisfying resolution to the present crisis might not be forthcoming. It's the ancient and galactic issues that worry me the most. I'm numb with worry and grief. I guess I'll just have to talk to myself -- but if anything changes, you know where I live and work, and you have my phone number. Namaste.

    1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9mFn9EhgU4 (I know someone who, many years ago, looked like the mother to be in 'Legion')
    2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HO0Wv0ynO9Q (Here's an interesting take on Jesus and Lucifer! This speaker doesn't seem completely human, does he? I sense that I know this guy! That's what scares me!)
    3. http://www.nbc.com/the-event/video/arrival/1329374 (read between the lines on this one too)
    4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wskTz0HI7oQ&feature=player_embedded (this helps put this thread into a proper perspective)
    5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP6-DUKYovE&feature=related QED

    The details of my hypothetical Four-Faction Sirius-Egyptian-Roman Empire might be more upsetting and complex than we can possibly imagine. There might be some overlap in the Osiris, Isis, Horus, and Set factions and activities. I suspect that I will be spending the rest of my life attempting to place Grade A Meat on this Speculative Skeleton. Now I'm going to spend a lot of time watching university lectures. I'm going to attempt to make myself more respectable and presentable. I want to try to think in terms of Righteous Kings and Queens. I met a queen-like individual recently, who was quite critical and sharp with me. Perhaps they were a queen! "Queen Bee I Presume?? You say you want me executed??!! Was it something I said???" Anyway, I am interested in the intertwining of the Royal-Model and the Servant-Model, in the context of intertwined Democracy and Theocracy. This is a delicate and volatile balancing-act, to say the least!! I really like the following series of lectures by Keith E. Wrightson (Randolph W. Townsend Jr. Professor of History). He is a scholar of early modern British history. His books, which have been credited for their novel approach to English social and cultural history, include Poverty and Piety in an English Village: Terling, 1525-1700 (co-authored with David Levine), The Making of an Industrial Society. Whickham 1560-1765 (also with Levine), English Society, 1580-1680 and Earthly Necessities. Economic Lives in Early Modern Britain. He is a contributing editor of The Illustrated Dictionary of British History and co-editor of The World We Have Gained: Histories of Population and Social Structure. Essays Presented to Peter Laslett on His 70th Birthday. Wrightson has also contributed chapters to numerous books. Wrightson earned his BA, MA and PhD from Cambridge University and began his teaching career at the University of St. Andrews in Scotland, where he was a lecturer in modern history 1975-1984. He returned to Cambridge in 1984, serving as the University Lecturer in History and later as director of studies in history and a reader in English social history. He became a full professor of social history there in 1998 and joined the Yale faculty a year later. The historian has held visiting professorships at the University of Alberta and the University of Toronto, among others, and has been an invited lecturer at universities and in conferences throughout Europe, Canada, Australia, China, Russia and the United States. He was the James Ford Special Lecturer at the University of Oxford in 1993 and presented the British Academy's Raleigh Lecture in the fall of 2005. At Yale, Wrightson has served as director of undergraduate studies in history and has chaired the Renaissance Studies Program. He has also served on a number of University advisory boards. In 2001, Wrightson was awarded the John Ben Snow Prize, presented by the North American Conference on British Studies. He is a fellow of the Royal Historical Society and the British Academy. He serves on the editorial boards of several scholarly journals. http://www.yale.edu/history/faculty/wrightson.html

    1. Introduction https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3uBi2TZdUY&feature=related
    2. The Social Order in the 16th Century https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVErdGUN_Jk&feature=relmfu
    3. Households https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxjKJ3JgXvc&feature=relmfu
    4. Communities https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-qdApVXVS0&feature=relmfu
    5. Countries and Networks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM6lHNXOvvA&feature=relmfu
    6. The Structures of Power https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nfTp0wURtY&feature=relmfu
    7. Late Medieval Religion and It's Critics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kf-GsRGb3Y&feature=relmfu
    8. Reformation and Division https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koJ6wcHU_Po&feature=relmfu
    9. Economic and Social Problems https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPPGtEMQykE&feature=relmfu
    10. Papists and Puritans https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPyNc0kd2z4&feature=relmfu
    11. The Elizabethan "Monarchical Republic" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXU8JOkaNdQ&feature=relmfu
    12. Economic Expansion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxDY3zvU0uo&feature=relmfu
    13. A Polarizing Society https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tY9mQovGu0&feature=relmfu
    14. Witchcraft and Magic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rHSu2oDZXE&feature=relmfu
    15. Crime and the Law https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rHSu2oDZXE&feature=relmfu
    16. Popular Protest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYkKBmnjw_Q&feature=relmfu
    17. Education and Literacy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVOsJ8g4ACE&feature=relmfu
    18. Puritans and Arminians https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh-F7Xtc8Wg&feature=relmfu
    19. Crown and Political Nation in the Seventeenth Century https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X02qTmUrKI&feature=relmfu
    20. Constitutional Revolution and Civil War https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPwuul8J-Os&feature=relmfu
    21. Regicide and Republic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v500uw9qnDU&feature=relmfu
    22. The Restoration Era https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceFidZi9ge4&feature=relmfu
    23. Economic Development https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFwSNmV6Ijw&feature=relmfu
    24. Refashioning the State https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTXtUzVKhCI&feature=relmfu
    25. Concluding Discussion and Advice on the Examination! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaZHjqHWnwM&feature=relmfu

    IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST, AND WITH THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, I COMMAND EVERY WILLFULLY UNRIGHTEOUS AND DEMONIC SPIRIT WITHIN THIS SOLAR SYSTEM, TO PROCEED INTO THE BOTTOMLESS PIT, WITHOUT DELAY. IF MY TIMING IS OFF, PLEASE FORGIVE ME. I LOST MY PROPHECY CHART. IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST, AND WITH THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, I CHOOSE TO DO THAT WHICH IS RIGHT. I HAVE MADE A SINCERE EFFORT TO DO THE RIGHT THING WITHIN THIS THREAD, BUT THIS VENTURE HAS LARGELY BEEN IGNORED, WITH VERY LITTLE SERIOUS AND DETAILED DISCUSSION. AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED, THIS ENDS NOW. I DON'T WISH TO BE CLOSE-MINDED, ARBITRARY, OR SHRILL, BUT CORRUPTION AND VIOLENCE IN THIS SOLAR SYSTEM NEEDS TO END. I HAVE ARGUED AGAINST A GENOCIDAL APOCALYPSE, YET THE HARD-CORE EVIL IN THIS SOLAR SYSTEM MUST BE DEALT WITH IN A DECISIVE MANNER. I AM TIRED OF PLAYING GAMES AND BEATING AROUND THE BURNING BUSH. I REALLY WANT THIS TO BE OVER.

    I have passively proposed a solar system human population of eight billion - with four billion living on Earth, and four billion living throughout the rest of the solar system. Half of the Earth human population would live subsurface, and most of the four billion throughout the solar system would live subsurface, for environmental and species-preservation reasons. The 'Elite-Survival' BS needs to cease and desist. We are all in this together. On the other hand, I once again called for the 'removal' of the really nasty spirits from this solar system. I'm a bit flexible regarding the definitions of 'removal' and 'nasty', but I want the violence and corruption in this solar system to stop now. This shrill demand is born of necessity rather than arrogance. I want things to be pristine and perfect in this solar system, and we need to take care of business here and now. Earth cannot be viewed as being separate and distinct from the rest of the solar system. It must be governed as a pluralistically unified-whole. I don't know what the true ET, Hybrid, or Other Than Human situation really is, so I remain open yet wary. I keep guessing and imagining, but that's obviously not the same as knowing. Something significant happened 3 or 4 months ago, but I don't know what, exactly. I have some ideas, which I don't wish to share. I'm also spooked about the supposed DUMB and Tunnel destruction between Virginia and Colorado, as well as supposed goings-on in and around Los Alamos. I still haven't settled down regarding Waco, Oklahoma City, 9/11, Afghanistan, Iraq, Katrina, Haiti, Indonesia, and Fukushima. I don't even want to think about what's next. Disclosure would have to address everything. There would be no such thing as partial disclosure. One thing would quickly lead to another. There are so many fingers in so many holes in the dike. Official disclosure will probably occur after everyone unofficially already knows. I think we are at least half-way through disclosure, but we haven't connected the dots yet. The more dots I connect, the less I like what I see. I need to rewatch 'The Money Masters'. That, and 'The Ring of Power'. Eric Jon Phelps is also quite interesting, regarding who has crashed what, throughout the past few centuries. There are probably some glaring errors, but even if just half of this is true, it is absolutely mind-boggling. The interesting thing is, the more I expose myself to this sort of thing, the less hostile I feel. You'd think it would be just the opposite, wouldn't you? I just want to understand the problems, and solve them, with the least drama and trauma possible. Is there really any way to deal with all of the controversial stuff -- without the alphabet agencies being involved in some way, shape, or form? I doubt it. I just hope that the good agents are winning. This might be an agent's game, after all. Most of the rest of us probably don't have a clue what's really going on. I think we should try to understand, but we should also recognize the limitations of not being insiders. Unfortunately, I suspect that life on the inside is a very distressing and dangerous game.

    I once read a book titled 'Who is the Greatest?' which took issue with all competition. I understand that argument, and I have recently asked if deception and lack of compassion are at the core of competition. This is a central issue. However, there is a high-road version of competition which is very necessary for the proper functioning of the human race. Unfortunately, I haven't figured out how to keep everyone on that high-road. Might this be the Road to Utopia? It's easy to see why people fight with each other. It's easy to see how easy it has probably been to exploit the human race, and how hard it would've been to be perpetually loving and non-exploitive. I have tried to put myself in the shoes of the hypothetical Queen of Heaven and God of This World -- and it has scared the hell out of me. It would be so incredibly easy for things to go so horribly wrong -- even starting out with the best of intentions. I sometimes wonder if there is really any really completely-ignorant-fool proof way to properly run a solar system for any significant length of time. Once one gets past any illusions of a Perfect God in a Perfect Universe -- the Governance Realities are Completely Discouraging. Bertrand Russell spoke of Unyielding Despair. The more I think about Solar System Governance, the more I think that an ongoing Modus Operandi of Incurable Optimism and Unyielding Despair would be unavoidable, and even desirable -- which is why some sort of a Rational and Organized Rotation of Highly Competent Power would be necessary to prevent the Good Intentions of Knights in Shining Armour from Paving the Road to Hell. When we attempt to cast out the existing demons, we need to be very careful that we don't replace them with a new crew who are just as bad or worse than the original demoniacs. If there are several factions fighting for power, they might all be bad! Perhaps the good guys and the bad guys are bad!! I often wonder whether I am good or bad. Really. How many truly righteous individuals are in this solar system? There might not be very many. We might be in a helluva lot of trouble for a very long time. I'm preparing for lifetime after lifetime of trouble. I'm sorry to be negative, but I'm trying to be realistic. When we find out how corrupt and bad things really have been, and are presently, most of us might suffer severe psychological and spiritual problems. I keep thinking that if what I think I want actually gets implemented, that I will not be gloating or jumping up and down. I would frankly be terrified. A lot of religious people have been told lies for thousands of years, and when they find out the truth, a lot of them might go insane. Seriously. I don't have things figured out, but I don't like what I see on the horizon. Things might have to get worse, even if there is a regime change for the better. There might be too much negative momentum to just turn things around in a couple of years. One more thing. In connection with my internet activities, I was told, by someone who should know, that I was lucky to be alive. Perhaps I've done enough damage for one lifetime. Perhaps I really should stop. Now, if you'll excuse me, I will proceed to live my imaginary life in the City of London, living in a 600 square-foot office-apartment, wearing inexpensive suits, taking black-cabs, 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xDcyK1Trvo&feature=related 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UffIQIgKMVc&feature=related working as a writer-consultant, and singing in the St. Paul's Cathedral Choir (hopefully with some limited organ practice time!). In a strange and mystical way, I feel as if I am somehow home. Perhaps this is an appropriate place to finally end this thread. Thank-you all for bearing with me.

    1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDPwNPAV6tA&feature=related
    2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI00qOQPYxE&feature=related
    3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8DPg39_g2E&feature=related
    4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faNij71hh7o&feature=related
    5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hvaysA1MYQ&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL55DA04A07BD053BA
    6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xi20mA31bE&feature=related
    7. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87Xkr8z3lEo&feature=related

    Namaste and Godspeed! Tally Ho and Geronimo!

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    Once again, carefully consider reading the books in the following list, over and over again -- and eventually reading through them quite rapidly and vigorously. The Bible is NOT a happy and harmonious book -- and it is NOT necessarily a proper guide for life when applied directly to modernity. The following books seem to me to be a Middle-Way. Anyway, this is probably an approach no one will buy into -- for legion reasons -- so 'so be it'. Are we dealing with 'Harsh-Angelic' v 'Irresponsible-Human'?? Is there a Reasonable Middle-Way?? Does anyone give a damn?? Perhaps very few will be happy when the 'role is called up yonder'. Please don't neglect this list -- regardless of your level of belief or unbelief. I'm recommending it as a mental and spiritual discipline and exercise. What if the Protestant Reformation had been based upon the principles and concepts contained within the following books?? Just saying.

    1. Job.
    2. Psalms.
    3. Proverbs.
    4. Ecclesiastes.
    5. Song of Solomon.
    6. Isaiah.
    7. Matthew.
    8. Mark.
    9. Luke.
    10. John.
    11. Acts.
    12. Romans.
    13. 1928 Book of Common Prayer.
    14. Life of Christ by Fulton Sheen.
    15. Desire of Ages by Ellen White.

    What do you all think about the possibility of Osiris, Isis, Horus, and Set Factions of a Sirian-Egyptian-Roman Empire aka The Orion Group, LLC? The Bible states that man was made a little lower than the angels, but why create beings who were lower than those who already existed? What if man was genetically engineered to be a little higher than the angels, and this ignited the supposed 600,000 year Gaian-Orion Star War in Heaven? What if all humanoids -- reptilian or mammalian -- are angels aka interdimensional-reptilian at the soul-level? What if archangels are reptilian queens? Help me out here. I've touched upon this many times before, but I am really undecided about all of this. I continue to desire historical continuity, while avoiding the historical absurdities and atrocities which are painfully obvious when one looks closely at church history. Once again, I'm suggesting devotional exposure to this short list as a mental and spiritual exercise, rather than being a bold or arrogant statement regarding how I think things should be. I continue to think that a proper refining and reforming of the City States is essential in order for the human race to survive and thrive. I'm also interested in the hypothetical Osiris-Isis-Horus-Set and a Sirian-Egyptian-Roman Empire, with the City States being the backbone of this phenomenon in this solar system. I'm interested in a Minimalist-Traditionalist Approach and Massive Doses of Positive Reinforcement. Unfortunately, my internet posting has probably been more critical and irreverent than necessary, and I apologize if I have hurt feelings. I sometimes think I am more Catholic than the Catholics and more Protestant than the Protestants. I'm all over the charts, and I don't fit neatly into any categories. I hear dissatisfaction with the 'Novus Ordo' and with the 'Book of Divine Worship', and it sounds as though these were strained attempts at modernization, rather than being  products of natural liturgical evolutionary processes, which might occur over several decades. Latin use in modernity is not intended to keep people from reading the Bible. Translations are readily available. I simply like listening to Latin Masses while I read or study. I can't do this while listening to a religious service in English. The Latin creates a sense of mystery which allows the participant to formulate their own thoughts, rather than being spoon-fed by the priest or pastor. I would think this would be a plus in our highly diverse and pluralistic society. Even an atheist could be inspired to be a better person in such a setting. Just a thought. I continue to have huge problems with the perpetual unbloody human sacrifice aspects of the Mass, but on the other hand, the highest ground is at the foot of the cross. There is something to be said for the solemnity of the Mass. I'm searching for a liturgical solution, but so far I haven't found one. Tradition v Chaos? Have you watched TBN lately? What a zoo!

    I wonder as I wander, and I ponder as I blunder. I'm very apprehensive regarding 'enlightenment' and 'ascension' when we don't seem to be interested in, or able to discuss, all of the above in a reasonable and rational manner. I get a sinking feeling that the next few years are going to be extremely difficult for humanity, in so many ways. We often seem like lambs to the slaughter. I know I've been getting my butt kicked from one end of the solar system to the other -- physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually. I keep hoping that things will improve -- but they never do. Hope springs eternal. I'd really like to properly discuss politics and religion, but it doesn't seem as if that's going to happen. Not here anyway. And really, in settings where these topics would generate some discussion, the participants usually have their minds made up, and don't really want to engage in truly creative thinking. Or, it becomes obvious that people are going to get badly hurt if things get too controversial. I think I need to start thinking about things which will help me pay my bills. Perhaps I can sing a song or throw a ball, instead of delusionally trying to save the world, the solar system, and the human race. I can almost hear the laughter as I struggle with subjects which seem to be filled with lies, confusion, and no satisfying answers. Perhaps the sheep should just keep sleeping. Why wake-up and face endless frustration? I just hope that some Agents, Theologians, Jesuits, Greys, Dracs, et al have been able to gain some insights from my ramblings when they stumbled upon something of value from time to time. But why waste your time on a completely ignorant fool like me? I'm not opposed to high-technology. I'm really not, but I tend to think that technology is out of control in this solar system, and that it has been for decades, and perhaps for even a century. Our ethics and solar system governance are not up to speed with all of the fancy technology. Most of the technology might be stolen ancient technology, and it might not be in the best of hands. This is simply educated conjecture. I'm amazed that we're still alive. But then, I read 'When War Comes' and wrote a paper titled 'The History of Chemical and Biological Warfare' in the 8th grade. I wrote a paper titled 'War: The Ultimate Sport' in college. Be afraid. Be very afraid. We Live in a very dangerous solar system. The horror. In Moonraker Jaws should've thrown Bond and the pilot out of the plane, landed the plane, made love with the woman -- attended Mass, confessed his sins -- and called it a day...

    Once again, I find Anna in 'V' to be a Very interesting character - in good and bad ways. I wonder if I have a reincarnational memory of such an individual? I'm not sure why I think that might be the case, but there is a bit of a resemblance between the 'Blue Boy' by Thomas Gainsborough and Anna. When I was probably 5 or 6 years old, I stood transfixed before the 'Blue Boy' (at the Huntington Library in San Marino, CA) for 20 to 30 minutes, much to my mother's amazement! This has been my favorite painting ever since, and I have a small reproduction (which I obtained on that early visit!) on the wall of my study. Consider reading through this entire thread, imagining that Anna is speaking the words, while aboard the New York Queen Ship! Could there be a Good Anna and a Bad Anna in real-life? Might there be several Annas? Good Archangels v Bad Archangels? Good Reptilian Queens v Bad Reptilian Queens? Damned if I know, but its something I keep thinking about. I know someone named Anna! There's more to this thread than you think. Please do not ignore it. I am trying to study it myself, and I am sometimes amazed that I was able to write some of the paragraphs. I've always been a different person while writing. I'm not like this in 'real-life', but I wish that I were. Hope springs eternal. Perhaps in my next life. Here is something you might find interesting and enjoyable. Stop the video at 03:30 and notice the strange king! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqJqW8zL9Ew&feature=related What if most classical music, art, and architecture had the same source? Think long and hard about THAT! Sounds sort of sexy, don't it?! A very skilled concert organist once told me that after a while most of the organ literature begins sounding alike. He also said that I should try improvising, and that I might be surprised by how well it goes. I do improvise, but I haven't really worked at it. I enjoy improvising more than reading music, and when I play sheet-music I prefer to play it as though it were improvised, even though it breaks all the musical rules to do so. I once had a disagreement with a famous organist, in an organ-loft, regarding that issue! When I listen to music, I often imagine a variety of alterations. I also like to imagine new music -- but I never write it down! But really, there is some popular music I've had in my head for a long time which I should write down and try to sell. I need the money. I'm broke! Saving the world is not enough.

    BTW, I still think that 1875 Cavaille-Coll organ design (as originally envisioned) for St. Peter's Basilica would be splendiferous! But who would build it? Fisk? Reiger? Flentrop? Who would pay for it? You guys have the City of London on speed-dial, don't you??? I don't wish to ignore the starving and the destitute, but I believe that only proper solar system governance will solve these problems -- and we can feed the poor and support the arts -- simultaneously. It doesn't have to be one or the other -- or rich v poor. I support some sort of social engineering -- but not the current NWO plans. Somewhat unrelatedly, I think the Vatican, and all of the Four Reichs, should be closely studied. But still, this study should be completely academic and emotionless. It should be entered into with a completely open, yet critical, mind. We should lay aside our pre-conceived ideas and opinions, and attempt to learn the whole story before passing judgment. I could say more, but I'd rather not. These subjects are too hot for me to handle, but they need to be properly understood in order to properly understand most of what we discuss on this site, IMHO. Here is some upsetting reading for a dark, cold, fall night. http://www.scribd.com/doc/47209085/Avalon-is-NOT-BABYLON-Canada-Street-News-Jan-1-to-18-2011 I touch upon this sort of thing in my posts, and I often provide links, yet this is not my style. I'm probably too passive and easy-going, but I am trying to focus upon a post-insanity solar system, if you know what I mean. I have even conceptually placed Washington, D.C., the City of London, and the Vatican at the center of a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System. I want the bad guys and gals who are involved with the City States to either become good guys and gals -- or to become incarcerated for a very long time under very trying circumstances. Even those who become good will probably have to surrender their ill-gotten gain, and make restitution to those who they have harmed. I have never advocated blanket and painless amnesty. I simply wish to end the corrupt and violent madness in the most efficient manner possible, with the least drama and trauma. Even 'Battlestar Galactica' spoke of amnesty for the humans. Remember? I'm really not a fan of trench warfare, with billions of corpses scattered throughout the solar system. Do you get the picture? I certainly hope so...

    Consider the following:

    1. God the Father (Osiris?).
    2. The Queen of Heaven (Isis?).
    3. God the Son (Horus?).
    4. The God of This World (Set?).
    5. The Presidency (United States).
    6. The Monarchy (England).
    7. The Papacy (Rome).

    How would these seven relate to a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System? Would there be promotions and demotions? Would there be firings, incarcerations, or even executions? I don't know how this would play out, but I have been considering the idea of a King and Queen, who would be the equivalent of a President and Vice-President of the United States of the Solar System. They might serve ten-year terms, live relatively modest lives, and serve in a ceremonial and ambassadorial capacity, wherein they would communicate the decisions of the Senate and the Congress. They might exemplify an integration of the Royal and Servant Models. They would both have PhD's in Solar System Studies and Governance, and they would both be elected (really elected, rather than selected). These would not be bloodline positions or apostolic successions. This is simply one idea. How the Roman Catholic Church and the Anglican Communion would relate to this sort of thing is really anybody's guess. Would a completely ceremonial church, in connection with all of this, be a benefit or a curse? I support religious freedom, in all of it's forms, yet I would never support Godless and Unethical Solar System Governance. This is a very delicate and touchy subject. Look at the historical bloodbaths to understand why. Still, for those who believe in Heaven, what form of government exists in Heaven? A theocracy? A democracy? A constitutional-theocracy? A representative-republic? None of the above? Would a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System need to be Theocratically-Implemented? If so, by whom, and how? This subject is a Teflon-Slope, isn't it??? The Monarchy and the Papacy seem to be deeply involved in world-government, and they seem to exert extreme power, yet they were not elected by the general public. They also seem to answer to a Hidden Hand. Some say this hidden power is the Queen of Heaven and God of This World. I don't know. 90% of what I post is of a hypothetical nature. I don't pretend to know things that I don't, and I know very little about how this solar system REALLY works. Supposedly, human beings were a lot larger and a lot smarter in antiquity. Were we environmentally and genetically dumbed-down? Now I'm hearing about ascension and genetic-upgrades, but what does this really mean? I'm scared stiff that we might be facing an extermination of male and female human physicality. Was there really a 600,000 Year Gaian-Orion War between reptilian-humanoids and mammalian-humanoids? If so, what were the issues? What was at stake? What is at stake? I continue to wonder why 'The Biggest Secret' is such a Great Big Secret? Why are we Ruled by Secrecy? Why is it necessary to deceive us? Are the Galactic Powers That Be attempting to reign-in a Renegade Race? Remember, this thread is mostly science-fiction, but I try really hard to approximate reality. I really do.
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    Consider the issues of the Protestant Reformation. Here are the 95 Theses of Martin Luther. http://www.conradaskland.com/blog/2008/11/martin-luthers-95-theses-in-latin-and-english/ I think it is important to study Roman Catholicism, as it existed at the time of the Reformation. What was being protested by Protestants then? What is being protested by Protestants now? Do Catholics have their heads stuck in the sand? Do Protestants run around like chickens with their heads cut-off? You New Agers need to think about all of this, whether you like it or not. You really do.

    The original text of Martin Luther’s 95 Theses in original Latin and translated English text. More correctly the 95 Theses was actually called the “Disputation on the Power and Efficacy of Indulgences” by Dr. Martin Luther (1517).

    English text first, Latin text follows:

    Disputation of Doctor Martin Luther
    on the Power and Efficacy of Indulgences
    by Dr. Martin Luther (1517) Published in:
    Works of Martin Luther:
    Adolph Spaeth, L.D. Reed, Henry Eyster Jacobs, et Al., Trans. & Eds.
    (Philadelphia: A. J. Holman Company, 1915), Vol.1, pp. 29-38
    _______________

    Out of love for the truth and the desire to bring it to light, the following propositions will be discussed at Wittenberg, under the presidency of the Reverend Father Martin Luther, Master of Arts and of Sacred Theology, and Lecturer in Ordinary on the same at that place. Wherefore he requests that those who are unable to be present and debate orally with us, may do so by letter.

    In the Name our Lord Jesus Christ. Amen.

    1. Our Lord and Master Jesus Christ, when He said Poenitentiam agite, willed that the whole life of believers should be repentance.

    2. This word cannot be understood to mean sacramental penance, i.e., confession and satisfaction, which is administered by the priests.

    3. Yet it means not inward repentance only; nay, there is no inward repentance which does not outwardly work divers mortifications of the flesh.

    4. The penalty [of sin], therefore, continues so long as hatred of self continues; for this is the true inward repentance, and continues until our entrance into the kingdom of heaven.

    5. The pope does not intend to remit, and cannot remit any penalties other than those which he has imposed either by his own authority or by that of the Canons.

    6. The pope cannot remit any guilt, except by declaring that it has been remitted by God and by assenting to God’s remission; though, to be sure, he may grant remission in cases reserved to his judgment. If his right to grant remission in such cases were despised, the guilt would remain entirely unforgiven.

    7. God remits guilt to no one whom He does not, at the same time, humble in all things and bring into subjection to His vicar, the priest.

    8. The penitential canons are imposed only on the living, and, according to them, nothing should be imposed on the dying.

    9. Therefore the Holy Spirit in the pope is kind to us, because in his decrees he always makes exception of the article of death and of necessity.

    10. Ignorant and wicked are the doings of those priests who, in the case of the dying, reserve canonical penances for purgatory.

    11. This changing of the canonical penalty to the penalty of purgatory is quite evidently one of the tares that were sown while the bishops slept.

    12. In former times the canonical penalties were imposed not after, but before absolution, as tests of true contrition.

    13. The dying are freed by death from all penalties; they are already dead to canonical rules, and have a right to be released from them.

    14. The imperfect health [of soul], that is to say, the imperfect love, of the dying brings with it, of necessity, great fear; and the smaller the love, the greater is the fear.

    15. This fear and horror is sufficient of itself alone (to say nothing of other things) to constitute the penalty of purgatory, since it is very near to the horror of despair.

    16. Hell, purgatory, and heaven seem to differ as do despair, almost-despair, and the assurance of safety.

    17. With souls in purgatory it seems necessary that horror should grow less and love increase.

    18. It seems unproved, either by reason or Scripture, that they are outside the state of merit, that is to say, of increasing love.

    19. Again, it seems unproved that they, or at least that all of them, are certain or assured of their own blessedness, though we may be quite certain of it.

    20. Therefore by “full remission of all penalties” the pope means not actually “of all,” but only of those imposed by himself.

    21. Therefore those preachers of indulgences are in error, who say that by the pope’s indulgences a man is freed from every penalty, and saved;

    22. Whereas he remits to souls in purgatory no penalty which, according to the canons, they would have had to pay in this life.

    23. If it is at all possible to grant to any one the remission of all penalties whatsoever, it is certain that this remission can be granted only to the most perfect, that is, to the very fewest.

    24. It must needs be, therefore, that the greater part of the people are deceived by that indiscriminate and highsounding promise of release from penalty.

    25. The power which the pope has, in a general way, over purgatory, is just like the power which any bishop or curate has, in a special way, within his own diocese or parish.

    26. The pope does well when he grants remission to souls [in purgatory], not by the power of the keys (which he does not possess), but by way of intercession.

    27. They preach man who say that so soon as the penny jingles into the money-box, the soul flies out [of purgatory].

    28. It is certain that when the penny jingles into the money-box, gain and avarice can be increased, but the result of the intercession of the Church is in the power of God alone.

    29. Who knows whether all the souls in purgatory wish to be bought out of it, as in the legend of Sts. Severinus and Paschal.

    30. No one is sure that his own contrition is sincere; much less that he has attained full remission.

    31. Rare as is the man that is truly penitent, so rare is also the man who truly buys indulgences, i.e., such men are most rare.

    32. They will be condemned eternally, together with their teachers, who believe themselves sure of their salvation because they have letters of pardon.

    33. Men must be on their guard against those who say that the pope’s pardons are that inestimable gift of God by which man is reconciled to Him;

    34. For these “graces of pardon” concern only the penalties of sacramental satisfaction, and these are appointed by man.

    35. They preach no Christian doctrine who teach that contrition is not necessary in those who intend to buy souls out of purgatory or to buy confessionalia.

    36. Every truly repentant Christian has a right to full remission of penalty and guilt, even without letters of pardon.

    37. Every true Christian, whether living or dead, has part in all the blessings of Christ and the Church; and this is granted him by God, even without letters of pardon.

    38. Nevertheless, the remission and participation [in the blessings of the Church] which are granted by the pope are in no way to be despised, for they are, as I have said, the declaration of divine remission.

    39. It is most difficult, even for the very keenest theologians, at one and the same time to commend to the people the abundance of pardons and [the need of] true contrition.

    40. True contrition seeks and loves penalties, but liberal pardons only relax penalties and cause them to be hated, or at least, furnish an occasion [for hating them].

    41. Apostolic pardons are to be preached with caution, lest the people may falsely think them preferable to other good works of love.

    42. Christians are to be taught that the pope does not intend the buying of pardons to be compared in any way to works of mercy.

    43. Christians are to be taught that he who gives to the poor or lends to the needy does a better work than buying pardons;

    44. Because love grows by works of love, and man becomes better; but by pardons man does not grow better, only more free from penalty.

    45. Christians are to be taught that he who sees a man in need, and passes him by, and gives [his money] for pardons, purchases not the indulgences of the pope, but the indignation of God.

    46. Christians are to be taught that unless they have more than they need, they are bound to keep back what is necessary for their own families, and by no means to squander it on pardons.

    47. Christians are to be taught that the buying of pardons is a matter of free will, and not of commandment.

    48. Christians are to be taught that the pope, in granting pardons, needs, and therefore desires, their devout prayer for him more than the money they bring.

    49. Christians are to be taught that the pope’s pardons are useful, if they do not put their trust in them; but altogether harmful, if through them they lose their fear of God.

    50. Christians are to be taught that if the pope knew the exactions of the pardon-preachers, he would rather that St. Peter’s church should go to ashes, than that it should be built up with the skin, flesh and bones of his sheep.

    51. Christians are to be taught that it would be the pope’s wish, as it is his duty, to give of his own money to very many of those from whom certain hawkers of pardons cajole money, even though the church of St. Peter might have to be sold.

    52. The assurance of salvation by letters of pardon is vain, even though the commissary, nay, even though the pope himself, were to stake his soul upon it.

    53. They are enemies of Christ and of the pope, who bid the Word of God be altogether silent in some Churches, in order that pardons may be preached in others.

    54. Injury is done the Word of God when, in the same sermon, an equal or a longer time is spent on pardons than on this Word.

    55. It must be the intention of the pope that if pardons, which are a very small thing, are celebrated with one bell, with single processions and ceremonies, then the Gospel, which is the very greatest thing, should be preached with a hundred bells, a hundred processions, a hundred ceremonies.

    56. The “treasures of the Church,” out of which the pope. grants indulgences, are not sufficiently named or known among the people of Christ.

    57. That they are not temporal treasures is certainly evident, for many of the vendors do not pour out such treasures so easily, but only gather them.

    58. Nor are they the merits of Christ and the Saints, for even without the pope, these always work grace for the inner man, and the cross, death, and hell for the outward man.

    59. St. Lawrence said that the treasures of the Church were the Church’s poor, but he spoke according to the usage of the word in his own time.

    60. Without rashness we say that the keys of the Church, given by Christ’s merit, are that treasure;

    61. For it is clear that for the remission of penalties and of reserved cases, the power of the pope is of itself sufficient.

    62. The true treasure of the Church is the Most Holy Gospel of the glory and the grace of God.

    63. But this treasure is naturally most odious, for it makes the first to be last.

    64. On the other hand, the treasure of indulgences is naturally most acceptable, for it makes the last to be first.

    65. Therefore the treasures of the Gospel are nets with which they formerly were wont to fish for men of riches.

    66. The treasures of the indulgences are nets with which they now fish for the riches of men.

    67. The indulgences which the preachers cry as the “greatest graces” are known to be truly such, in so far as they promote gain.

    68. Yet they are in truth the very smallest graces compared with the grace of God and the piety of the Cross.

    69. Bishops and curates are bound to admit the commissaries of apostolic pardons, with all reverence.

    70. But still more are they bound to strain all their eyes and attend with all their ears, lest these men preach their own dreams instead of the commission of the pope.

    71. He who speaks against the truth of apostolic pardons, let him be anathema and accursed!

    72. But he who guards against the lust and license of the pardon-preachers, let him be blessed!

    73. The pope justly thunders against those who, by any art, contrive the injury of the traffic in pardons.

    74. But much more does he intend to thunder against those who use the pretext of pardons to contrive the injury of holy love and truth.

    75. To think the papal pardons so great that they could absolve a man even if he had committed an impossible sin and violated the Mother of God — this is madness.

    76. We say, on the contrary, that the papal pardons are not able to remove the very least of venial sins, so far as its guilt is concerned.

    77. It is said that even St. Peter, if he were now Pope, could not bestow greater graces; this is blasphemy against St. Peter and against the pope.

    78. We say, on the contrary, that even the present pope, and any pope at all, has greater graces at his disposal; to wit, the Gospel, powers, gifts of healing, etc., as it is written in I. Corinthians xii.

    79. To say that the cross, emblazoned with the papal arms, which is set up [by the preachers of indulgences], is of equal worth with the Cross of Christ, is blasphemy.

    80. The bishops, curates and theologians who allow such talk to be spread among the people, will have an account to render.

    81. This unbridled preaching of pardons makes it no easy matter, even for learned men, to rescue the reverence due to the pope from slander, or even from the shrewd questionings of the laity.

    82. To wit: — “Why does not the pope empty purgatory, for the sake of holy love and of the dire need of the souls that are there, if he redeems an infinite number of souls for the sake of miserable money with which to build a Church? The former reasons would be most just; the latter is most trivial.”

    83. Again: — “Why are mortuary and anniversary masses for the dead continued, and why does he not return or permit the withdrawal of the endowments founded on their behalf, since it is wrong to pray for the redeemed?”

    84. Again: — “What is this new piety of God and the pope, that for money they allow a man who is impious and their enemy to buy out of purgatory the pious soul of a friend of God, and do not rather, because of that pious and beloved soul’s own need, free it for pure love’s sake?”

    85. Again: — “Why are the penitential canons long since in actual fact and through disuse abrogated and dead, now satisfied by the granting of indulgences, as though they were still alive and in force?”

    86. Again: — “Why does not the pope, whose wealth is to-day greater than the riches of the richest, build just this one church of St. Peter with his own money, rather than with the money of poor believers?”

    87. Again: — “What is it that the pope remits, and what participation does he grant to those who, by perfect contrition, have a right to full remission and participation?”

    88. Again: — “What greater blessing could come to the Church than if the pope were to do a hundred times a day what he now does once, and bestow on every believer these remissions and participations?”

    89. “Since the pope, by his pardons, seeks the salvation of souls rather than money, why does he suspend the indulgences and pardons granted heretofore, since these have equal efficacy?”

    90. To repress these arguments and scruples of the laity by force alone, and not to resolve them by giving reasons, is to expose the Church and the pope to the ridicule of their enemies, and to make Christians unhappy.

    91. If, therefore, pardons were preached according to the spirit and mind of the pope, all these doubts would be readily resolved; nay, they would not exist.

    92. Away, then, with all those prophets who say to the people of Christ, “Peace, peace,” and there is no peace!

    93. Blessed be all those prophets who say to the people of Christ, “Cross, cross,” and there is no cross!

    94. Christians are to be exhorted that they be diligent in following Christ, their Head, through penalties, deaths, and hell;

    95. And thus be confident of entering into heaven rather through many tribulations, than through the assurance of peace.

    LATIN TEXT

    “Disputatio pro Declaratione Virtutis Indulgentiarum.”
    by Dr. Martin Luther, 1483-1546
    D. MARTIN LUTHERS WERKE: KRITISCHE GESAMMTAUSGABE.
    1. Band (Weimar: Hermann Boehlau, 1883). pp. 233-238.
    PW #001-001La

    Amore et studio elucidande veritatis hec subscripta disputabuntur
    Wittenberge, Presidente R. P. Martino Lutther, Artium et S.
    Theologie Magistro eiusdemque ibidem lectore Ordinario. Quare
    petit, ut qui non possunt verbis presentes nobiscum disceptare
    agant id literis absentes. In nomine domini nostri Hiesu Christi.
    Amen.

    1. Dominus et magister noster Iesus Christus dicendo `Penitentiam
    agite &c.’ omnem vitam fidelium penitentiam esse voluit.

    2. Quod verbum de penitentia sacramentali (id est confessionis et
    satisfactionis, que sacerdotum ministerio celebratur) non potest
    intelligi.

    3. Non tamen solam intendit interiorem, immo interior nulla est,
    nisi foris operetur varias carnis mortificationes.

    4. Manet itaque pena, donec manet odium sui (id est penitentia
    vera intus), scilicet usque ad introitum regni celorum.

    5. Papa non vult nec potest ullas penas remittere preter eas, quas
    arbitrio vel suo vel canonum imposuit.

    6. Papa non potest remittere ullam culpam nisi declarando, et
    approbando remissam a deo Aut certe remittendo casus reservatos
    sibi, quibus contemptis culpa prorsus remaneret.

    7. Nulli prorus remittit deus culpam, quin simul eum subiiciat
    humiliatum in omnibus sacerdoti suo vicario.

    8. Canones penitentiales solum viventibus sunt impositi nihilque
    morituris secundum eosdem debet imponi.

    9. Inde bene nobis facit spiritussanctus in papa excipiendo in
    suis decretis semper articulum mortis et necessitatis.

    10. Indocte et male faciunt sacerdotes ii, qui morituris
    penitentias canonicas in purgatorium reservant.

    11. Zizania illa de mutanda pena Canonica in penam purgatorii
    videntur certe dormientibus episcopis seminata.

    12. Olim pene canonice non post, sed ante absolutionem
    imponebantur tanquam tentamenta vere contritionis.

    13. Morituri per mortem omnia solvunt et legibus canonum mortui
    iam sunt, habentes iure earum relaxationem.

    14. Imperfecta sanitas seu charitas morituri necessario secum fert
    magnum timorem, tantoque maiorem, quanto minor fuerit ipsa.

    15. Hic timor et horror satis est se solo (ut alia taceam) facere
    penam purgatorii, cum sit proximus desperationis horrori.

    16. Videntur infernus, purgaturium, celum differre, sicut
    desperatio, prope desperatio, securitas differunt.

    17. Necessarium videtur animabus in purgatorio sicut minni
    horrorem ita augeri charitatem.

    18. Nec probatum videtur ullis aut rationibus aut scripturis, quod
    sint extra statum meriti seu augende charitatis.

    19. Nec hoc probatum esse videtur, quod sint de sua beatitudine
    certe et secure, saltem omnes, licet nos certissimi simus.

    20. Igitur papa per remissionem plenariam omnium penarum non
    simpliciter omnium intelligit, sed a seipso tantummodo
    impositarum.

    21. Errant itaque indulgentiarum predicatores ii, qui Ooopsey per
    pape indulgentias hominem ab omni pena solvi et salvari.

    22. Quin nullam remittit animabus in purgatorio, quam in hac vita
    debuissent secundum Canones solvere.

    23. Si remissio ulla omnium omnino penarum potest alicui dari,
    certum est eam non nisi perfectissimis, i.e. paucissimis, dari.

    24. Falli ob id necesse est maiorem partem populi per
    indifferentem illam et magnificam pene solute promissionem.

    25. Qualem potestatem habet papa in purgatorium generaliter, talem
    habet quilibet Episcopus et Curatus in sua diocesi et parochia
    specialiter.

    1. [26] Optime facit papa, quod non potestate clavis (quam nullam
    habet) sed per modum suffragii dat animabus remissionem.

    2. [27] Hominem predicant, qui statim ut iactus nummus in cistam
    tinnierit evolare Ooopsey animam.

    3. [28] Certum est, nummo in cistam tinniente augeri questum et
    avariciam posse: suffragium autem ecclesie est in arbitrio dei
    solius.

    4. [29] Quis scit, si omnes anime in purgatorio velint redimi,
    sicut de s. Severino et Paschali factum narratur.

    5. [30] Nullus securus est de veritate sue contritionis,
    multominus de consecutione plenarie remissionis.

    6. [31] Quam rarus est vere penitens, tam rarus est vere
    indulgentias redimens, i. e. rarissimus.

    7. [32] Damnabuntur ineternum cum suis magistris, qui per literas
    veniarum securos sese credunt de sua salute.

    8. [33] Cavendi sunt nimis, qui Ooopsey venias illas Pape donum
    esse illud dei inestimabile, quo reconciliatur homo deo.

    9. [34] Gratie enim ille veniales tantum respiciunt penas
    satisfactionis sacramentalis ab homine constitutas.

    10. [35] Non christiana predicant, qui docent, quod redempturis
    animas vel confessionalia non sit necessaria contritio.

    11. [36] Quilibet christianus vere compunctus habet remissionem
    plenariam a pena et culpa etiam sine literis veniarum sibi
    debitam.

    12. [37] Quilibet versus christianus, sive vivus sive mortuus,
    habet participationem omnium bonorum Christi et Ecclesie etiam
    sine literis veniarum a deo sibi datam.

    13. [38] Remissio tamen et participatio Pape nullo modo est
    contemnenda, quia (ut dixi) est declaratio remissionis divine.

    14. [39] Difficillimum est etiam doctissimis Theologis simul
    extollere veniarum largitatem et contritionis veritatem coram
    populo.

    15. [40] Contritionis veritas penas querit et amat, Veniarum autem
    largitas relaxat et odisse facit, saltem occasione.

    16. [41] Caute sunt venie apostolice predicande, ne populus false
    intelligat eas preferri ceteris bonis operibus charitatis.

    17. [42] Docendi sunt christiani, quod Pape mens non est,
    redemptionem veniarum ulla ex parte comparandam esse operibus
    misericordie.

    18. [43] Docendi sunt christiani, quod dans pauperi aut mutuans
    egenti melius facit quam si venias redimereet.

    19. [44] Quia per opus charitatis crescit charitas et fit homo
    melior, sed per venias non fit melior sed tantummodo a pena
    liberior.

    20. [45] Docendi sunt christiani, quod, qui videt egenum et
    neglecto eo dat pro veniis, non idulgentias Pape sed indignationem
    dei sibi vendicat.

    21. [46] Docendi sunt christiani, quod nisi superfluis abundent
    necessaria tenentur domui sue retinere et nequaquam propter venias
    effundere.

    22. [47] Docendi sunt christiani, quod redemptio veniarum est
    libera, non precepta.

    23. [48] Docendi sunt christiani, quod Papa sicut magis eget ita
    magis optat in veniis dandis pro se devotam orationem quam
    promptam pecuniam.

    24. [49] Docendi sunt christiani, quod venie Pape sunt utiles, si
    non in cas confidant, Sed nocentissime, si timorem dei per eas
    amittant.

    25. [50] Docendi sunt christiani, quod si Papa nosset exactiones
    venialium predicatorum, mallet Basilicam s. Petri in cineres ire
    quam edificari cute, carne et ossibus ovium suarum.

    1. [51] Docendi sunt christiani, quod Papa sicut debet ita vellet,
    etiam vendita (si opus sit) Basilicam s. Petri, de suis pecuniis
    dare illis, a quorum plurimis quidam concionatores veniarum
    pecuniam eliciunt.

    2. [52] Vana est fiducia salutis per literas veniarum, etiam si
    Commissarius, immo Papa ipse suam animam pro illis impigneraret.

    3. [53] Hostes Christi et Pape sunt ii, qui propter venias
    predicandas verbum dei in aliis ecclesiis penitus silere iubent.

    4. [54] Iniuria fit verbo dei, dum in eodem sermone equale vel
    longius tempus impenditur veniis quam illi.

    5. [55] Mens Pape necessario est, quod, si venie (quod minimum
    est) una campana, unis pompis et ceremoniis celebrantur,
    Euangelium (quod maximum est) centum campanis, centum pompis,
    centum ceremoniis predicetur.

    6. [56] Thesauri ecclesie, unde Pape dat indulgentias, neque satis
    nominati sunt neque cogniti apud populum Christi.

    7. [57] Temporales certe non esse patet, quod non tam facile eos
    profundunt, sed tantummodo colligunt multi  concionatorum.

    8. [58] Nec sunt merita Christi et sanctorum, quia hec semper sine
    Papa operantur gratiam hominis interioris et crucem, mortem
    infernumque exterioris.

    9. [59] Thesauros ecclesie s. Laurentius dixit esse pauperes
    ecclesie, sed locutus est usu vocabuli suo tempore.

    10. [60] Sine temeritate dicimus claves ecclesie (merito Christi
    donatas) esse thesaurum istum.

    11. [61] Clarum est enim, quod ad remissionem penarum et casuum
    sola sufficit potestas Pape.

    12. [62] Verus thesaurus ecclesie est sacrosanctum euangelium
    glorie et gratie dei.

    13. [63] Hic autem est merito odiosissimus, quia ex primis facit
    novissimos.

    14. [64] Thesaurus autem indulgentiarum merito est gratissimus,
    quia ex novissimis facit primos.

    15. [65] Igitur thesauri Euangelici rhetia sunt, quibus olim
    piscabantur viros divitiarum.

    16. [66] Thesauri indulgentiarum rhetia sunt, quibus nunc
    piscantur divitias virorum.

    17. [67] Indulgentie, quas concionatores vociferantur maximas
    gratias, intelliguntur vere tales quoad questum promovendum.

    18. [68] Sunt tamen re vera minime ad gratiam dei et crucis
    pietatem comparate.

    19. [69] Tenentur Episcopi et Curati veniarum apostolicarum
    Commissarios cum omni reverentia admittere.

    20. [70] Sed magis tenentur omnibus oculis intendere, omnibus
    auribus advertere, ne pro commissione Pape sua illi somnia
    predicent.

    21. [71] Contra veniarum apostolicarum veritatem qui loquitur, sit
    ille anathema et maledictus.

    22. [72] Qui vero, contra libidinem ac licentiam verborum
    Concionatoris veniarum curam agit, sit ille benedictus.

    23. [73] Sicut Papa iuste fulminat eos, qui in fraudem negocii
    veniarum quacunque arte machinantur,

    24. [74] Multomagnis fulminare intendit eos, qui per veniarum
    pretextum in fraudem sancte charitatis et veritatis machinantur,

    25. [75] Opinari venias papales tantas esse, ut solvere possint
    hominem, etiam si quis per impossibile dei genitricem violasset,
    Est insanire.

    1. [76] Dicimus contra, quod venie papales nec minimum venialium
    peccatorum tollere possint quo ad culpam.

    2. [77] Quod dicitur, nec si s. Petrus modo Papa esset maiores
    gratias donare posset, est blasphemia in sanctum Petrum et Papam.

    3. [78] Dicimus contra, quod etiam iste et quilibet papa maiores
    habet, scilicet Euangelium, virtutes, gratias, curationum &c. ut
    1. Co. XII.

    4. [79] Dicere, Crucem armis papalibus insigniter erectam cruci
    Christi equivalere, blasphemia est.

    5. [80] Rationem reddent Episcopi, Curati et Theologi, Qui tales
    sermones in populum licere sinunt.

    6. [81] Facit hec licentiosa veniarum predicatio, ut nec
    reverentiam Pape facile sit etiam doctis viris redimere a
    calumniis aut certe argutis questionibus laicorm.

    7. [82] Scilicet. Cur Papa non evacuat purgatorium propter
    sanctissimam charitatem et summam animarum necessitatem ut causam
    omnium iustissimam, Si infinitas animas redimit propter pecuniam
    funestissimam ad structuram Basilice ut causam levissimam?

    8. [83] Item. Cur permanent exequie et anniversaria defunctorum et
    non reddit aut recipi permittit beneficia pro illis instituta, cum
    iam sit iniuria pro redemptis orare?

    9. [84] Item. Que illa nova pietas Dei et Pape, quod impio et
    inimico propter pecuniam concedunt animam piam et amicam dei
    redimere, Et tamen propter necessitatem ipsius met pie et dilecte
    anime non redimunt eam gratuita charitate?

    10. [85] Item. Cur Canones penitentiales re ipsa et non usu iam
    diu in semet abrogati et mortui adhuc tamen pecuniis redimuntur
    per concessionem indulgentiarum tanquam vivacissimi?

    11. [86] Item. Cur Papa, cuius opes hodie sunt opulentissimis
    Crassis crassiores, non de suis pecuniis magis quam pauperum
    fidelium struit unam tantummodo Basilicam sancti Petri?

    12. [87] Item. Quid remittit aut participat Papa iis, qui per
    contritionem perfectam ius habent plenarie remissionis et
    participationis?

    13. [88] Item. Quid adderetur ecclesie boni maioris, Si Papa,
    sicut semel facit, ita centies in die cuilibet fidelium has
    remissiones et participationes tribueret?

    14. [89] Ex quo Papa salutem querit animarum per venias magis quam
    pecunias, Cur suspendit literas et venias iam olim concessas, cum
    sint eque efficaces?

    15. [90] Hec scrupulosissima laicorum argumenta sola potestate
    compescere nec reddita ratione diluere, Est ecclesiam et Papam
    hostibus ridendos exponere et infelices christianos facere.

    16. [91] Si ergo venie secundum spiritum et mentem Pape
    predicarentur, facile illa omnia solverentur, immo non essent.

    17. [92] Valeant itaque omnes illi prophete, qui Ooopsey populo
    Christi `Pax pax,’ et non est pax.

    18. [93] Bene agant omnes illi prophete, qui Ooopsey populo Christi
    `Crux crux,’ et non est crux.

    19. [94] Exhortandi sunt Christiani, ut caput suum Christum per
    penas, mortes infernosque sequi studeant,

    20. [95] Ac sic magis per multas tribulationes intrare celum quam
    per securitatem pacis confidant.

    M.D.Xvii.
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    Once again, consider the following short-list as a starting-point, at least, for a possible future unification of Protestant and Catholic, Church and State. Why does this have to be so hard? Is it made hard on purpose, to punish humanity for their Original and Unpardonable Sin? I really wonder about that. Anyway, why can't we all turn over a new galactic leaf?

    1. The Traditional Latin Mass (1962 Missal). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enWiFcsBqIE
    2. The 'Desire of Ages' by Ellen White (For a profound Christocentric Whole Bible Approach, which is actually quite ecumenical, believe it or not).
    3. Sacred Classical Music (Including Gregorian Chant and Organ-Improvisation).
    4. The 'Federalist Papers' (Including the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights).

    What would Osiris say? What would Isis say? What would Horus say? What would Set say? What would Martin Luther say? What would the Pope of Rome say? What would the Archbishop of Canterbury say? What would the Queen of England say? What would the President of the United States say? What would the Secretary General of the United Nations say? What would the Jesuit General say? What would the Galactic Federation say? In the final analysis, this whole thing might not be a rational progression. If history is any guide, we will probably be pushed and pulled by greed, fear, war, and disaster -- rather than by rational thought. This is all so sad, that it's almost funny... 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPgQIceN2KM&feature=related 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BNtKbmcn1E&feature=related Some days, I just wanna cry and cry and cry. I'd still like to talk to a room-full of completely open and honest Masons, Jesuits, Alphabet-Agents, and even Nazis -- regarding Life, the Universe, and Everything. Some of you know what I'm talking about. I don't care if that's not politically-correct. I don't necessarily like these people, but I think they know more than most people think they do, and I think they've been working for the wrong boss. Time for a change guys? We need to cut the crap really, really fast -- and get something reasonable and rational going around here. I've made some tentative suggestions, but I'm open to all reasonable alternative solutions. I really am.

    Why not construct a church service in the following manner?

    ORTHODOXYMORON LITURGY (2011)
    1. Prelude and Processional -- Sacred Classical Music -- 15 minutes.
    2. Congregational Singing -- Traditional and Contemporary Hymns -- 15 minutes.
    3. Sermon, Homily, or Lecture -- 30 minutes.
    4. Congregational Singing -- Traditional and Contemporary Hymns -- 15 minutes.
    5. Recessional and Postlude -- Sacred Classical Music -- 15 minutes.


    Why not offer services 7 days a week, without any day being more 'holy' than another? Why follow a 'Liturgical Year' or follow a lectionary? Roman Catholic Art, Architecture, and Music form a coherent and elegant unity. The elaborate churches are already built. The contemporary churches don't seem to be an improvement, and in most cases they seem to be a step in the wrong direction. Does God require the incense, standing, sitting, kneeling, bending, and nodding? I like the idea of reverence and discipline, but I am very conflicted by the various liturgical practices, and I am even more conflicted by the various rebellions against tradition. I enjoyed the ministry of Dr. Robert H. Schuller, but I was painfully aware of the weaknesses of that ministry. It was almost as if one problem were replaced by another. The following questions apply to all ministries and churches. Do we need announcements, offering-collections, interviews, prima-donna soloists, etc? I value polished oratory, but do we really need the pompous and supercilious theatrical excesses. Do we need to laugh for half an hour? Do we need to slay people with the spirit? Do we need to mumble in tongues? Do we need to run around the stage on our knees? Do we need to shout-out sermons like we need an anger-management class? In a sense, I don't care what the subject or text of a sermon is, as long as it is well-researched and well-delivered. The order of service listed above could include any desired languages, both spoken and sung. I simply think that services should be grand, glorious, reverent, and majestic. But none of you will talk to me about much of anything, will you? Should I simply hold everyone's coat, and stay out of the way? Or, would you like to go round and round and round with me? That might be sort of fun, come to think of it. Should we really say Anti-Michael, Anti-Horus, and Anti-Mithras -- in addition to saying Anti-Christ? Has Christ ever REALLY run the show on this God-Forsaken Planet??? Why are we always waiting for the Damn Anti-Christ??? What if the Anti-Christ has been running the New World Order for Thousands of Years??? One more thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koJ6wcHU_Po&feature=relmfu


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    My internet posting has been experimental in nature -- and without genuine inside information, it is irresponsible for me to make definite (and possibly binding) proposals. I have no idea what's really going on -- and I have no idea who I really am (on a soul-basis). So, perhaps I should withdraw each and every idea and proposal I've made over the past five years -- until I know what the hell is going on. MOST EVERYONE has been evasive (and often nasty) regarding my internet posting. I received no reply from my FoIA (one year ago) so I really have no mission at this point. Learn what you can from this thread (if there is anything of value) and then do the best you can. Give it your best shot. I'll go through the motions of finishing reposting and minimally editing -- but in a couple of weeks I truly will be finished -- for better or worse -- I know not. Do you desire another War in Heaven?? Do you desire technology to make humanity (and other races) obsolete in Purgatory Incorporated??? Do you desire the extermination of all life in this solar system?? What the hell do you really want, exactly?? Are we really dealing with petty factional fighting for control of Purgatory Incorporated?? Is everyone happy with the present arrangement?? Has humanity been sleeping in the bed it made thousands of years ago (in the Garden of Eden)?? Is Deception, Fame, Fortune, Power, and Pleasure really the bottom-line in this solar system?? If so, is everyone happy with business as usual?? I think there is a theological reality -- yet I think the truth of the matter might be VERY different than what we learned in Sabbath-School and Sunday-School. I'm suspecting a Demoted, Disempowered, and Exiled Creator -- who MIGHT'VE been considered DEAD. What if most every soul in this solar system rebelled against their Creator in antiquity?? What if the Original Sin is also the Unpardonable Sin?? I have a VERY BAD FEELING about the situation in this solar system.

    I'm posting the following, because it could illuminate any idealistic and grandiose plans for a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System. I suspect that idealistic and grandiose plans have been hijacked and scuttled over and over again, throughout history. Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. If one removes the racism, cruelty, and violence from Hitler, the Nazis, and the Third Reich -- what does one end up with? High-Technology, Neo-Roman Architecture, and Esoteric Philosophy? What if we take a close look at the Germany of the 1930's, in a 'what might've been' sense? What if we use this starting-point to extrapolate back into antiquity -- and forward into the 22nd century? What light might this shed on my recent speculations concerning Osiris, Isis, Horus, Set and a Sirian-Egyptian-Roman Empire? What if we are stuck with some form of the previous sentence? Are we sentenced? What about Aldebaran and Gizeh Intelligence? What about the Holy Roman Empire? What about the Knights Templar and Teutonic Zionism? Are the Reichs really the Set Faction of the Sirian-Egyptian-Roman Empire? What if Isis is an Uber-Queen and Set is an Uber-Warrior? What if Horus is a Creative-Genius? What if Osiris is a Super-Father Figure who is completely disgusted and angered by all of this madness? Is it possible that there might've been idealistic plans which were hijacked by incredibly sinister and cruel characters? How might the Vatican relate to all of this? Should we study Germany from the perspective of Italy? Should we study Italy from the perspective of Germany? What about studying Germany and Italy from the perspective of England and France? That's probably where I'm at presently. See my previous few posts. I'm frankly seeing an incredible battle between good and evil in the middle of all of this. This could really be but one facet of a Hot and Cold Running Star War in Heaven. This could be the ultimate Can of Worms. What about Martin Luther, before and after the Diet of Worms? Take a look at this for starters. http://www.nyc-architecture.com/ARCH/Notes-Fascist-GER.htm

    Once again, would a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System need to incorporate the best aspects of Osiris, Isis, Horus, Set, and the Sirian-Egyptian-Roman Empire? How might one accomplish this without starting yet another world war, and possibly a solar system war? How much trouble are we really in? I suspect that we're in a huge amount of trouble. I see a helluva lot of smoke, and I really don't want to see the fire. Has the Holy Roman Empire already ruled for a thousand years? Does the Holy Roman Empire rule the entire solar system, even as I type? Check this out. http://thirdreichocculthistory.blogspot.com/ My computer is going crazy, which means someone doesn't like what I'm posting. Hi guys! How are things on the Moon? Or is it Mars? No! It must be Phobos!! You bastards!! Someone caused my connection to be lost, and also caused damage to my computer. Do you have to play dirty? Why can't you post a comment which refutes whatever you didn't like? Why is this so hard? I don't care if I'm wrong about something. I'll post a retraction, edit my faulty posts, and proceed in a different direction. I'm really easy to work with, unlike you. I've been arguing against an apocalypse of recompense, but the non-compassionate use of accumulated wealth is near the top of my fecal-list. Evil must be decisively dealt with in this solar system. I want this solar system cleaned-up now. I have no more patience whatsoever. This ends now. One of those white wisps of light just passed between me and the monitor. Interesting. It won't be long now. BTW, has anyone noticed those creepy wisps of something, which seem to be alive and swimming, at 9/11 and Fukushima? I noticed one heading toward one of the towers before the 'plane' impacted it, and I noticed one after the Tsunami hit. They were quite similar and strange. How many actual bodies did they recover in 9/11 and Fukushima? I'm not sure why I'm asking. I'm tired of playing softball. Now I'm going to play hardball...

    I continue to be conflicted regarding who the good-guys and the bad-guys really are, and how good or bad they really are. Probably none are really righteous. No, not one. On the other hand, I think we need to take a stand against hard-core evil - Human and Otherwise. Are We the People of Earth a Human Island in a Draconian Reptilian Universe? If so, are Dracs and Humans related? Are there good and bad Dracs? I don't know. Obviously, there are good and bad Humans. The following is directed toward the worst of the worst - Human and Otherwise. I continue to desire the conversion and reformation of all evil beings, but the madness in this solar system needs to end, without violence, if at all possible. Incarceration and/or Expulsion are distinct possibilities, but without knowing what's really going on, it's difficult to know what to say or do. It is with great pain and hesitancy that I say the following:

    IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST, AND WITH THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, I COMMAND EVERY WILLFULLY UNRIGHTEOUS AND DEMONIC SPIRIT WITHIN THIS SOLAR SYSTEM, TO PROCEED INTO THE BOTTOMLESS PIT, WITHOUT DELAY. IF MY TIMING IS OFF, PLEASE FORGIVE ME. I LOST MY PROPHECY CHART. IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST, AND WITH THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, I CHOOSE TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT. I'VE MADE A SINCERE EFFORT TO DO THE RIGHT THING WITHIN THIS THREAD, BUT THIS VENTURE HAS LARGELY BEEN IGNORED, WITH VERY LITTLE SERIOUS AND DETAILED DISCUSSION. AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, THIS ENDS NOW. I DON'T WISH TO BE CLOSE-MINDED, ARBITRARY, OR SHRILL, BUT CORRUPTION AND VIOLENCE IN THIS SOLAR SYSTEM NEEDS TO END. I HAVE ARGUED AGAINST A GENOCIDAL APOCALYPSE, YET THE HARD-CORE EVIL IN THIS SOLAR SYSTEM MUST BE DEALT WITH IN A DECISIVE MANNER. I'M TIRED OF PLAYING GAMES AND BEATING AROUND THE BURNING BUSH. I REALLY WANT THIS TO BE OVER.

    Does the above statement go too far, or not far enough? Is it too little, too late? Somehow, I get the feeling that no one really noticed, demonic or otherwise. Without knowing what's really going on, it's hard to be dogmatic and definite. I want this solar system cleaned-up, yet I don't want to be a two-faced, back-stabbing sonofabitch. I wish to expose all manner of evil and corruption, yet I wish to do this in a kind and understanding manner. What is a "WILLFULLY UNRIGHTEOUS AND DEMONIC SPIRIT"? Can anyone tell me? What is "THE BOTTOMLESS PIT"? Is this a prison, or is it eternal damnation, possibly including ceasing to exist in all dimensions? I've made it clear that I support a combination of reform, incarceration, and exorcism -- but I don't know how bad the bad-guys really are, and how dangerous they might be if they survive. Are some beings too dangerous to save? Remember what happened in 'Star Wars III - Revenge of the Sith'? Am I a sucker for a sob-story? Is love the salvation or the damnation of the solar system? I've recently been leaning toward Rewarding Responsibility as an MO -- rather than a mushy version of love -- even though I think that Responsibility, Response-Ability, and Love are interlocking concepts...
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    I think it is important to carefully consider hypothetical Osiris, Isis, Horus, and Set Factions of a Sirian-Egyptian-Roman Empire in the context of Egypt, Italy, Germany, England, the United States, the Moon, and Mars. There's probably a helluva lot more to this equation than what I have just suggested, but this might be a productive starting point. What's really creepy about all of this, is that I think there might be a good side to all of this, in some twisted way. I even suspect that I might've been involved with this in some way, in previous lives (but certainly not in this one!). I'm really upset that the bad guys seem to keep winning, and the good guys seem to keep losing -- which is why I want to change the way business is done in this solar system. I repeat, that I don't necessarily wish to change the infrastructure, or to reinvent the wheel. I just want everything purified and refined. I want Constructive Competition, but I want Corruption and Violence to become Ancient History. Should I think of myself as being a Renegade French Jesuit Organist, who is living in London, and who knows about everything in this post in excruciating detail? Do I really need to think of myself as being a Reformed Bad Guy, rather than being like Adam or Aaron in 'East of Eden'? Do we need more Worldly-Wise Good-Guys? I tend to think so. While some of us have been praying and singing in church, the bad guys and gals have been ruling the solar system with corruption and an iron-fist. This needs to change. Now. Michael-Horus-Jesus might be a lot smarter and tougher than we think. The Bible-story might be a deceptive cover-story designed to keep us weak and ineffectual. Just a guess. Is there such a thing as Ethical-Deception? I don't know, but I think we need to learn to fight fire with fire -- in a good way. Should we be relatively emotionless, in order to fight heartless cruelty? I tend to think so. We need to be a lot smarter, tougher, and faster. When I am weak -- then I am weak. When I am strong -- then I am strong. Didn't Paul say it the other way? We should compete without ceasing -- with positive response ability. You bad guys and gals need to become good guys and gals. You need to join the Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System -- even though it doesn't exist -- yet. I really want evil and corruption to cease and desist in this solar system. I don't want to be a goody-goody. I simply wish to do that which is in EVERYONE'S best interest. Do you think there should be some sort of limit on personal wealth? You know, free-enterprise with a ceiling? Would this accomplish anything constructive? Would the rich find a way around this, like they find a way around everything? I don't like the Nanny-State, but I don't like 1% of the people having 40-50% of the wealth. The non-compassionate use of accumulated-wealth is near the top of my fecal-list. What if it were mandatory for the super-rich to become philanthropists? Imagine there's no billionaires. It's easy if you try. You corrupt and cruel rich bastards will pay dearly. Trust me. Should the Congress and Senate handle most Supreme Court issues in a United States of the Solar System? Should the Supreme Court mostly prepare and argue issues before the Congress and Senate? I don't know, but it is one more thing to carefully consider. I'm VERY unhappy about Roe v Wade. We don't seem to give a damn about killing babies. The fact that they're unborn makes no difference. They had brainwaves and beating-hearts, and they were mostly normal, healthy babies. They were brutally murdered. The human race has accumulated one helluva lot of karmic-debt. There will be hell to pay. Trust me.

    This is going to be one of the most delusional paragraphs I have posted, and I've posted dozens of highly delusional paragraphs. I'm going to imagine being part of the Horus Faction of the Sirian-Egyptian-Roman Empire. In fact, I'm going to imagine being Horus. Further, I will imagine that a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System has already been established, and that I am having to deal directly with Osiris, Isis, and Set -- and that they are very unhappy with the new arrangement, and that the Powers That Be in Sirius are even more unhappy. I'll imagine arguing with them in a palace located on the Moon. But I'll still imagine living in a 600 square-foot office/apartment. I will also imagine trying to be a composite of all four hypothetical characters, in order to properly understand them. I will also imagine that I am serving as a shuttle-ambassador between Osiris-Isis-Set and the King and Queen of the United States of the Solar System in the City of London. (I'm undecided about the King and Queen thing, but it's sort of fun to think about -- especially in London!) Do you get the picture? You might wish to try this as well. The more the merrier. The water's warm! Come-on in! I don't want to post the details, because that would be too scary for me to do. I'm revealing and concealing on this thread. I give hints and clues, but not much more. I like to leave something to the imagination, which is one reason why I don't watch porn. My imagination is better than porn!! Just kidding! Or am I? BTW, Kingship and Queenship implies some sort of Divine-Right, and while I don't support the Divine-Right of Kings and Queens, I do think there should be some sort of a pastoral component to the Presidency or Monarchy of the United States of the Solar System, so as not to be trumped by any religious or royal leaders, including the Pope and the Queen. Ouch!! Sorry about that! But really, I'm trying to be honest and realistic, no matter how much trouble I get myself into. They really did fry my computer a couple of hours ago, when I called the Moon, Mars, and Phobos Dudes "Bastards". It happened immediately, so you bastards owe me a new computer, plus punitive-damages. An insider told me that the Phobos Dudes like me. He lied! Now I'm going to watch Queen Anna on an old episode of 'V'. You really need to study this entire thread to understand me and what I'm conceptualizing. Just reading little bits and pieces won't do the trick. But, once again, don't expect this to make you happy. Smoke Pot and Empty Your Mind If You Wish to be Happy. This thread is for the Big-Kids.
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    Has anyone gone through the old and new 'V' series, and taken careful notes of the details in each episode? I don't have the will or the energy to do this, but someone might. I liked the first half-dozen episodes of the new 'V' series. My interpretation of all of this is probably quite a bit different than that of most people. I'm more conflicted about all of this than you can possibly imagine. You have no idea. I just wish I could see a file on my posting and everything about me. I started to do an foia inquiry, but then I chickened-out. I decided that knowing too much might not be a bright idea. Guessing is different than knowing, and having someone know that I know, if you know what I mean. I'm not even sure why I'm doing what I'm doing. I like to think that I'm attempting to do that which is in everyone's best interest, but I don't really know who or what I am dealing with, and perhaps that's just as well. Perhaps I will know more than I want to know a lot sooner than I think, but how do we ever know anything for certain? Perceptions are fickle, aren't they? It's not how we look. It's how we see. You guys really showed your true colors when you fried my computer. I would never lower myself to do such a thing. Now I'm going to read a chapter from 'The Great Controversy'. You know which one that is, don't you? I might have to be satisfied with simply talking to myself and watching the solar system from a distance, because I seem to be the Invisible Man. But that's OK, I guess. If no one pays any attention to me, there is no responsibility. When you're Lada Gaga, and EVERYONE is paying attention to you, now THAT'S A HUGE AND AWESOME RESPONSIBILITY. This realization really takes the pressure off of me, when nothing is up to me, and no one knows that I even exist. It's sort of nice, in a way. When Geithner and Bernanke talk, the markets tremble, because they are VERY IMPORTANT MEN, who hold all of our futures in the palms of their hands. The Rothschilds are EVEN MORE IMPORTANT MEN, BECAUSE THEY HAVE MORE MONEY THAN GOD! And we all know that HE WHO HAS THE GOLD, RULES!! So, when I do my best to save the solar system, this is an insignificant and futile activity, because I'm just a COMPLETELY IGNORANT FOOL! We really do worship fame, fortune, and power -- don't we? And maybe we should -- because if we do -- we might get fame, fortune, and power too!!!!! Perhaps if everyone were encouraged to engage in insider-trading and to be more corrupt than hell itself -- that would level the playing field. Why encourage the honest and hard-working people of the world to stay honest and keep their noses to the grindstone, when they are being robbed blind by people in expensive suits??? If everyone were corrupt and cut-throat, would 1% of the population still own 40-50% of the wealth? Mind you, I want everyone to be good and honest, but is this likely to happen anytime soon? So, why should the good people keep bending-over and getting screwed??? As I keep saying, I try to listen to everyone -- mainstream and fringe -- with a sea of salt. Unfortunately, this takes way too much time and energy -- and there is no reward or light at the end of the tunnel. I've had to basically consider this to be masochistic entertainment -- with a very serious goal - THE TRUTH! It's just what I do -- whether anyone likes it or not -- or whether it does anyone any good or not. I tend to think that almost everyone and everything is infiltrated and subverted. I feel supernaturally attacked, and while I don't think I've sold-out, I feel extremely impaired and hamstrung. 'They' fried my computer yesterday. I called the beings on the Moon, Mars, and Phobos "Bastards", and my computer was immediately completely screwed-up. Then a very alive-looking streaming white light passed between me and the monitor, as if to say "See what happens when you mess with us?" Bastards! Bastards! Bastards! Seriously. My plans for the coming months are to live within this thread, without adding much to it. I intend to pretend that I am doing a dissertation based on this thread.

    Upon This Thread I Will Build the First Galactic Empire, and the Stargates of Hell Shall Not Prevail Against It! Just kidding! I've been listening to Emperor Palpatine again! He's my hidden partner in crime! Just kidding! I'm shaky about all of this, but I intend to emerge from this ordeal transformed. I've really just defined the area to be researched, and now the research begins. But don't expect to see any of this on the internet anytime soon. In fact, a lot of this will probably just be a detailed review of the materials, links, and references within this thread. There is a HUGE amount of material to cover, and I don't wish to run around the internet like I'm in the middle of the French Revolution! I don't wish to lose my head! This might not be where the truth resides, but I at least wish to properly cover this territory. Perhaps someday I can turn all of this into a Masters and a Doctorate in Solar System Studies and Governance, but I wouldn't count on that. That would be highly unlikely. But still, I could produce a document which might resemble a Doctoral Dissertation. Then I might repackage all of this madness into a novel and a miniseries! Don't worry! I never follow-through on anything. But really, if anyone could convince Osiris, Isis, Horus, and Set to answer all of the questions I have posed in this thread -- and turn the whole thing into something marketable, that would be very much appreciated, and 50% of any profits would go to a worthy charity such as A.D.R.A. I'd still like to see what the Jesuits, the CIA, the NSA, and Homeland Security have on me, if anything. They probably don't even know who I am. Actually, I don't even know who I am, and I'm not sure I really wish to know. Don't stop thinking about  Osiris-Isis-Horus-Set and the Sirian-Egyptian-Roman Empire: West of Heaven, East of Eden, and East of Giza in Antiquity and Modernity. The Truth Will Set You Free. I've sought intellectual and spiritual resolution over the past couple of years, but I can't get no satisfaction, and I'm not that innocent, but namaste anyway. I'm working on three really hot love-songs for you to sing, Britney! I already have them in my head, and I just need to write them down. You think I'm kidding, don't you? I'd even like to sing them with you! I'm not kidding! I'm really not! Your people need to talk to my people. Actually, I don't have people, so just have your people PM me. If I can't save the solar system, then perhaps I need to try something different. I need to save my house, and I need new teeth, and maybe a new car, but that's about it. Rufus heard me sing one of these songs. Talk to him. At least one of these three songs will go to the top of the charts. Guaranteed! I'm just not sure which one...

    I'm presently watching a eucharist, using 'The 1928 Book of Common Prayer'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qkR4kGp7hg&feature=related I have a '1928 BCP' from St. Thomas Church, presumably the one in New York City. I didn't steal it. I bought it at a church sale. It belonged to a rector. Perhaps he stole it! What do Roman Catholics think about 'The 1928 BCP'? http://www.episcopalcafe.com/video/2010/06/the_book_of_common_prayer_in_f.html Would traditional RC's prefer this liturgy over the 'Novus Ordo'? Why do I even ask these questions? No one ever even tries to answer my questions. There are those who observe this site, who should be talking to me. There's a brick-wall everywhere I turn. Perhaps others will face a brick-wall sooner than they think. I have spoken of the Latin Mass as a point of reference, and as an object of study, but I'm open to a variety of options. I have stated my simplistic preference in the previous post. I am going to overdose on 'The 1928 Book of Common Prayer', 'The Desire of Ages', and 'The Federalist Papers'. Contemporary innovation must be based upon the best of the past. I am very disappointed that I've had to make this painful journey mostly on my own. I fear that this world might be coming apart at the seams. We are not making a proper evolution into the future. Our development seems to be out of control. Might this be by design, rather than by accident or incompetence? I really wonder. I think this world is facing an unprecedented crisis of faith, and I have tried to deal with this in a preemptive and somewhat irreverent manner. Once again, you will need to read through this entire thread, watch most of the links, and read most of the mentioned books, to really understand my point of view. This would've been so much easier if there had been more of a conversation. This has really been one way. A lot of devout Catholics are upset with the Novus Ordo Mass, and a lot of devout Episcopalians are upset with the 1979 Book of Common Prayer. The compromise 'Book of Divine Worship' is called a 'foot in the door, cut and paste liturgy'. Perhaps the Anglican Communion, the Roman Catholic Church, the Lutherans, and the Orthodox Christians should take a couple of years to produce a satisfying ecumenical liturgy, which takes into account all of the new information which everyone is being bombarded with. You know what I'm talking about. Is Robert H. Schuller and the Crystal Cathedral the proper next step for the church, or is this an example of deep apostasy? I have simply suggested the following:

    ORTHODOXYMORON LITURGY (2011)
    1. Prelude and Processional -- Sacred Classical Music -- 15 minutes.
    2. Congregational Singing -- Traditional and Contemporary Hymns -- 15 minutes.
    3. Sermon, Homily, or Lecture -- 30 minutes.
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    Does it have to be any more complicated than this? Each congregation could infuse this basic form with their own flavor of doctrine and the arts. My guess is that open war will break-out in most religions and congregations, as the infowar intensifies. Complete confusion may precede any satisfying common liturgical solution. Things might have to get a helluva lot worse before they get better. I like my simple solution, but then most people like their own ideas! There's nothing profound about it, but I think it works, just the same. Most liturgies perpetuate key aspects of the Old Testamental Sacrificial System, rather than moving on. I like Catholic Robes, Processions, Incense, Reverence, and Awe -- and I don't like a lot of the Protestant Rebellions. Why can't a service be simple, majestic, very well rehearsed, and deeply spiritual? Please consider the Orthodoxymoron Liturgy. I doubt that you will. You have completely ignored and rejected me, or so it seems. I know that more than the members of this forum read this thread. It seems that the church has gone to bed with Isis and Lucifer, and you all don't seem to wish to be disturbed in your blasphemous fornication. I know who you serve, and there will be grave consequences, I assure you. Some of you need to start talking to me, before it's too late. It might be later than you think. I've recently been speaking of a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System, headquartered in the City of London, and Ceremonially Meeting in St. Paul's Cathedral. Washington D.C. and Vatican City would be integral parts of this system, and they would be connected by Magneto-Leviton Trains, as they probably already are. The United Nations would relocate to the City of London, and the Secret Government would be much more open and transparent, with most of it's activities also occurring within the City of London. The church participation in all of this would be largely ceremonial and academic. Secular and Sacred Governance would mostly be based upon the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights (in an appropriately updated, properly adapted, and uncorrupted form).

    When I speak of the church, I mostly mean the Anglican Communion and the Roman Catholic Church. Remember, this is just casual talk. I'm just throwing out ideas, without throwing stones. This is such a can of worms on steroids. I support religious and political freedom, yet at the core of solar system governance, there would have to be some form of coordination and cooperation between church and state, yet done in such a manner that the historical absurdities and atrocities would not be repeated in any way, shape, or form. Obviously scholars from throughout the solar system would have to analyze all of this to death, and formulate something which would actually work in the real world, and not just in my fevered mind. But, having said all of the above, I still like thinking about U.C. Berkeley and St. Mary's Cathedral regarding a University of Solar System Studies and Governance -- and a Ceremonial Headquarters of a United States of the Solar System. Unfortunately, I keep hearing that the Malevolent Powers That Be intend to destroy San Francisco (among other places), so perhaps I should think about somewhere else. Seriously, I think the controlled-demolition of the human race may be no laughing matter. I am very frightened. My only hope in all of this, is that enough individuals will defect, and join the United States of the Solar System. I tend to think that we can't win in any other way. Frankly, I still don't know what we're really fighting. I think the human race is a mess, and in desperate need of some sort of ethical and spiritual revival and reformation -- yet I keep sensing vengeful deities in the shadows -- who might have a legitimate beef against the human race. But still, I support the establishment of proper solar system governance, regardless of past and present short-comings and misdeeds. We should sort out any problems without blowing each other to bits, and without extinguishing the sun, or some other horrendous genocidal act of god. I really do wish for justice to be served in a reasonable, rational, and orderly manner -- without cruel and unusual punishment. Is that understood? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPyNc0kd2z4&feature=relmfu

    One more time, I've got to warn anyone who really digs into this thread, that all of this will not give you health, wealth, and happiness beyond your wildest dreams. Just the opposite. So why do it? Good question. At this point, it's just something I do. I've been on the edge, and very miserable, for a very long time. I tend to think things are set-up such that the good guys lose and the bad guys win. I also tend to think that Isis and Set are middle management, even though it often seems as if they run the show around here. I'm irreverent, disrespectful, and disloyal -- yet I hate no one. In fact, I think the bad guys should learn from the good guys -- and the good guys should learn from the bad guys. I know that sounds counter-intuitive -- but just go with the flow. Here is another heavy-duty theological lecture. It's pretty specialized, but you might learn something about the sacrificial system, apocalyptic literature, Christology, soteriology, and eschatology. 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqhH5RVLW1o 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXg7Hm3Exec&feature=related 3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOzZNKxcNQ4&feature=related 4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7PpoO9oPgc&feature=related I attended dozens of Dr. Ford's lectures and sermons, and I took classes from one of his most vocal and articulate critics. Dr. Ford is sort of a 'super theologian'. I call him an 'underground base theologian' because he seems to be an insider who hob-nobs with the gods and goddesses. I get the picture that the 'top' people in the world get trained and programmed in underground bases, and that they belong to an elite society which is sworn to absolute secrecy. No one has told me this, but if you look at the circumstantial evidence, it seems to be the way things work. Again, I don't necessarily wish to change the infrastructure, but I certainly wish to reform and refine things, which would include massive doses of transparency, accountability, responsibility, and freedom. Unfortunately, I continue to fly blind in all of this. They keep me guessing. I think I could become a part of this madness, but I have chosen not to. Again, I would like to be invovled in solar system governance, but not when it is more corrupt than hell itself. But really, for any lasting changes for the better to occur, the general public is going to have to become a helluva lot more informed and responsible. But I don't think that running around with megaphones is the way to do this. I wish I knew the proper and effective way to facilitate a genuinely enlightened democracy. This thread is a start, but few seem to read it, and even fewer will actually talk to me about it. This world really seems to be some sort of an insane asylum by design. I probably have no idea who I'm really fighting. I might be surprised. One might claim that they were born hating homosexuals, pedophiles, and anyone who doesn't think like they do -- and that there's nothing they can do about it -- other than hating them and acting on their hatred. Criminals could claim they were born criminals, and that they should be protected. Indeed, they are protected in the Criminal Justice System. Once again, this world often seems to be set up in such a manner that the bad people win and the good people lose. Time for a change?

    It's somewhat liberating to just keep adding to this thread, without doing anything much with it. I don't have an organization. I don't raise money. I don't have a show. I don't stage protests. What you see here is pretty much what you get. But where all of this gets really interesting is when you study this thread carefully, and then use your imagination to create your own party, so to speak. This thread is only the beginning. It just scratches the surface. It really does. It is intended to get the right people thinking. It's sort of an open secret society. It's open to anyone, yet very few will take the time to properly participate in it. Many are called, and few are chosen. Actually, no one is chosen. You choose yourself. If it's going to be -- it's up to me! What you do -- is up to you! I could've been a helluva televangelist. I really think I could've, but there were too many problems and question-marks for me to honestly proceed in this direction. If I were to do it today, it would probably be a modified version of Dr. Robert H. Schuller and the Crystal Cathedral. I would edit the heck out of all of Dr. Schuller's books and sermons, and add my insights and biases, to form a rational and coherent whole. Peale and Schuller were reformers. The best is yet to come. It's too bad that the Crystal Cathedral was a religious version of All in the Family. I'll be interested to see what becomes of that very interesting real estate. I felt so close to Dr. Schuller, yet so very distant. I think I understood him, more than most. He seemed to be another 'underground base theologian'. I actually like that sort of person, yet they scare the heck out of me, because I don't really know what's involved behind the scenes. I once heard two men talking about Dr. Schuller. One said that he liked him, but that he hated it when Dr. Schuller started talking about Jesus. I understood what he was saying. Bob packaged his well thought-out material together with the historical mumbo jumbo. I called the Sony JumboTron the Mumbo JumboTron! I think it's going to take a helluva lot of work to properly Quest for the Historical Horus, if you know what I mean. I knew Dr. Bruce Larson a lot better than Dr. Schuller, but I didn't talk to him much about religion or the Crystal Cathedral. I gained a pretty clear picture of what he was like behind the scenes, and frankly, he seemed to be on a completely different page than Bob. Herman Ritter wasn't on the same page with Dr. Schuller either. It was almost as if Dr. Schuller became a different person on Sunday mornings. It was very strange. The same might be said for other powerful speakers, historically and presently. Try reading between the lines of that one.

    Once again, I'm simply trying to understand the past and present, and to then conceptualize the best next steps for humanity, with the least amount of drama and trauma. I don't wish to be too easy or too hard on the 'bad' guys and gals. The problem is, if one placed 'good' guys and gals in the shoes of the 'bad' guys and gals -- they might not be good for long -- which is why I am spending so much time conceptualizing a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System -- to at least try to keep everyone on the up and up. Hope springs eternal. One more thing. My Solar System Exorcism Talk is aimed more toward incarceration than destruction. But whenever I say this, I think of Luke Skywalker and Emperor Palpatine. When is someone too dangerous to be kept alive? When is someone safe to save? Sometimes I wonder if my 'Freedom Talk' places me near the top of the Galactic Most Wanted List. I really do wonder. Freedom is a two-edged sword which can quickly morph into open rebellion, which is why I empasize Responsibility and Organization rather than Freedom. Think long and hard about what I just said...

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    This thread is going to continue in a very strange manner. I think I might be on the verge of getting myself into a heap of trouble. Someone should read me my rights, right now, before it's too late. I fully realize that in many ways, I really am hanging myself. I'm really not trying to win a popularity contest. I am very capable of giving people what they want, and telling them what they want to hear. I know how to do that. I really do. I am going to imagine a completely up and running Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System, centered in the City of London, with Branch Divisions in Vatican City, Washington D.C., and the Moon. I will imagine having a 600 square-foot office-apartment in each one of these four locations. I will assume that the City of London is connected with the Vatican and Washington D.C. by Mach III Magneto-Leviton Trains, and that transportation to the Moon occurs via Stargates and Unconventional Craft. I will attempt to imagine interacting with everyone at these locations, in connection with that which is presently in the news, with a profound sense of history and the future. I will imagine being a cross between Palmer Joss in 'Contact' and Anna in 'V'. Do you get the picture? I intend this delusional activity to be non-hostile and non-confrontational in nature. This is where I will exist for the next few months, and perhaps longer. You are all welcome to join me, if you so desire. Once again, I wish to resolve things, rather than stir things up. My imaginary role in all of this would be to simply observe, converse, and write reports which would be officially entered in the Master File of the United States of the Solar System. The imagination is a wonderful thing. No harm. No foul. Right? What's really strange is that I feel as if I have already done this sort of thing in previous lives, so in a sense, it might be back to business as usual. Who knows? It's a nasty job, but someone has to do it. I need to determine a Moon location in order to give this adventure a greater sense of authenticity. For now, the location will be the Crater Copernicus. I keep wondering if the existing system can be modified with positive reinforcement, to facilitate a constructive evolutionary change in international banking? What if there were a net-worth ceiling of one-million US dollars, and a silver-backed currency? What if there were an international equivalent of the General Accountability Office and the Securities and Exchange Commission? Why can't we reign-in corruption within the existing system? Why does there have to be a damn collapse of the world economy. There is so much doom and gloom talk everywhere, including right here on this site. I grew-up listening to doom and gloom Bible-prophecy. Then I listened to years and years of New Age doom and gloom. There is negativity everywhere. I'm conceptually moving into the four 600 square-foot office-apartments in the City of London, Vatican City, Washington D.C., and Copernicus Crater -- to try to invite myself to the world and solar system government party -- so as to gain an understanding of how things should properly function in this neck of the woods. I intend to be the token Benevolent Megalomaniac in Megalomaniacs Anonymous...

    So, where shall we begin? How about we begin at the organ-console of St. Paul's Cathedral, in the City of London? What shall we talk about? What? Shut-up and play? OK! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynY7Y7_DeBs Now, what if I were to continue the story I started at the beginning of this thread? Sometimes listening to music causes one to think more creatively. If the sessions of the United States of the Solar System were placed within the Orthodoxymoron Liturgy, would this constitute the establishment of a State Church? The Senate or Congressional proceedings would replace the sermon, so there would be 30 minutes of sacred music before and after each session. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3cwvca50jM&feature=related Who might object to this sort of thing? If the proceedings were conducted within a cathedral, who might object? There would be no doctrinal statement or church teachings -- just music in beautiful and elegant surroundings. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5Akz6J8Rw0&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL8FC891CC0B74EFD1 Who might have a problem with that? The British might not wish for St. Paul's to be used for such a purpose, and I could certainly understand that, but I still like the idea. The acoustics might not be ideal for speaking, but translation headphones would remedy most of that potential problem. Viewing speakers and various materials would be facilitated by cameras and laptop computers. It might be cold, but the robes worn by the representatives would help in that regard. 2,500 representatives might meet in the City of London. 2,500 in Vatican City. 2,500 in Washington D.C. And 2,500 in the Copernicus Crater. Where would the representatives meet in these other locations, in keeping with a cathedral environment? Or, should the City of London be the sole ceremonial location? Should St. Mary's in San Francisco be on the short-list? I could really use some feedback. Again, this is just a mental exercise. All of this is quite interesting, yet I feel as though I am playing with hot fire and rattlesnakes. What makes this worse, is that it feels as though I am at war when I try to deal with all of this. It's sort of like beating oneself to death with a ballpeen hammer, in an insane attempt to put oneself out of their own misery. Perhaps I've got it all wrong. Perhaps I should forget the past, and shun everything historical and traditional, and start with a clean sheet of paper. https://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=9XwOtLPzj7I No one will discuss any of this with me, so perhaps I should pursue fame, fortune, power, and pleasure by any and all means. Would that make all of you happy???

    What if all we really have is the Orion Group? What if we are the Orion Group? What if the Orion Group involves the following?

    Osiris, Isis, Horus, Set (Reincarnationally)
    Sirius-Egyptian-Roman Empire
    Monarchy, Papacy, Nazis, Masons, Jesuits
    Copernicus Crater, City of London, Vatican City, Washington D.C.
    Gizeh Intelligence, Most Intelligence Agencies Worldwide

    What if there is a good-side and a bad-side to all of the above? Who or what might be exemplified by a composite of all of the above -- in a good way -- and in a bad way? What if Hitler turns out to be better than we thought? I have no inside scoop in that regard, but what if most of our understanding of history is badly screwed-up? I'm trying to imagine transforming the hypothetical Sirian-Egyptian-Roman Empire into a highly organized, highly developed, highly efficient -- but completely non-corrupt and non-violent -- Brave New Solar System. What if all of the above were assimilated into a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System, with an elected, non-bloodline King and Queen at the top of the pyramid? Would there still be a Pope of Rome and a Queen of England? I sure know how to get myself in trouble, don't I? Is this sort of thinking wrong or delusional? What if the Nazis had been completely non-violent and non-racist? What if the Vatican were more in harmony with the Teachings of Jesus and the U.S. Constitution? Please don't crucify me just yet. I think it is really important to conceptually get inside of all of the above, and to imagine the best and the worst aspects of this phenomenon. Shouldn't we learn from the past, rather than just marching blindly and stupidly into the future? I really wish someone would talk to me. At this point, I think that to ignore this thread or to shun me, for whatever reason, is highly irresponsible. The issues are too important and the stakes are too high. I'm frankly not very impressed with the good-guys or the bad-guys, at this point. I'm tending to think that everyone is bad, but in different ways. We all have our games and gimmicks. Believe it or not, ignorance is not a virtue, even though we often behave as if it were...


    I will keep asking some of the same questions, over and over again, in order to learn more and more regarding the topic under review. I don't get involved in anything spooky, so I will probably continue to require second-hand information from those who venture where angels fear to tread. If Ra is Lucifer, then I tend to think this soul continues to exist within this solar system. Most people don't give a damn about any of this. Should I be faulted for having a continued interest in the key players in this solar system? I keep getting the sinking feeling that having a genuine interest in the way things really work in this solar system is a lost cause, which is not rewarded in any way, shape, or form. In fact, it seems to be punished. I am particularly interested in possible reincarnational equivalencies for Osiris, Isis, Horus, and Set. Archangel Michael seems to surface as Horus and Jesus. I have made further speculations in this vein. The first and last Pharaoh of Egypt are of considerable interest to me. What about Adam, Moses, King David, Mithras, and Michaelangelo? I am beginning to think that there is some overlap between Lucifer and Michael, particularly regarding the musical role in 'heaven' and closeness to God the Father. Biblical Egyptology is well worth watching. Anyway, my writing activities are morphing into a novel format, so I might not be asking so many questions after all. But really, the questions are often intended to make people think. Rather than boldly declare that which is difficult to prove, I ask questions, and often I think I already know the answers to many of these questions. There is also the phenomenon of 'theme and variations' wherein a theme is repeated over and over again, with multitudinous variations, such as in the Passacaglia and Fugue in C-minor by J.S. Bach. If someone claims to be a famous historical figure, how do we know this to be true? If someone is told they are a famous historical figure, how are they to know if this is true? I have been told a thing or two about myself, but I tend to doubt it. I have done some role-playing just for the hell of it, and for educational purposes -- but how is one to really know anything of this nature for certain?

    I keep wondering about the relationship between the Vatican and the Jesuits. Are they two sides of the same coin, or are they fundamentally at war with each other? I have wondered if the Jesuits are a Set Faction of a Sirius-Egyptian-Roman Empire, and if the Vatican is an Isis Faction of a Sirius-Egyptian-Roman Empire? Do the Jesuits simply do the dirty-work for the Vatican, or do the Jesuits control the Vatican from the shadows, against the Vatican's true wishes? I really don't know, but I wonder. Vatican II seemed more like a scuttling than a logical evolution into modernity. Should the Pope be making statements regarding global central banking? Is a proper central world financial system desirable? If the Vatican were truly purified and reformed, how would we recognize that this had indeed occurred? Would a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System facilitate a proper central banking system? Do we need a New Solar System to replace the New World Order? Here is President Obama, speaking at a National Prayer Breakfast. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gF2XX-dJ5mI The talk is quite good. Everytime I see and hear the President, I am amazed at how quickly and smoothly he speaks, yet he seems somewhat empty and robotic. Sorry, but I am very conflicted about this. I have mostly been concentrating on solar system governance, at the expense of current events and national politics. I am neither a supporter or an opponent of the President. It was sort of that way with George W. Bush. I respect the office of the President of the United States, yet I continue to think of our Presidents as being Employees of the Secret Government. Are they Employees of the Sirian-Egyptian-Roman Empire? Would the United States of the Solar System simply be a different version of the Sirian-Egyptian-Roman Empire? I worry about what one must do to become President. I keep hearing stories. On the other hand, a President should have a huge amount of support from the sidelines, regarding research, speech-writing, coaching, etc. Without being on the inside, it's hard to know what it really takes to run a country, a world, and a solar system. Once again, this thread is an exploration rather than a declaration. It is intended to make you face yourself and think. BTW, I'm sorry I called you guys on the Moon, Mars, and Phobos 'Bastards', but someone owes me a new computer. How do I know any of you are 'Bastards' without having met you? But really, the gatekeepers and censors might've screwed my computer. I'm not happy about this at all, and the streaming white light between me and the monitor didn't exactly give me a warm and fuzzy feeling, to say the least.
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Wed Aug 14, 2013 12:37 pm

    This post is a composite of my posts on both of the 'Red Pill' threads by Brook. Recent events seemed to make this necessary.
    Brook wrote:ODM,

    With all due respect.....you have asked the same questions over and over again here. I have several times tried to answer the questions with my views.  Understanding my views are coming form a parallel universal perspective.  Now when I've given you my answer why is it you don't acknowledge my answer?  Instead you ask the same questions and add a bit more.  When I've answered the "bit more" you continue on and on.  

    After a while it get a bit much. Now most people get rather perturbed when they answer a question and don't get ANY acknowledgment.  I've been rather patient here.  In fact there is quite a bit to be learned from someone who ALWAYS asks questions...get answers and only acknowledges them with yet another QUESTION...(while ignoring the answer entirely).

    So I ask you.....why do you always answer a question with an question?  And never acknowledge the answers given.  Half of this thread speaks of RA the sun god and my perspective on  it....yet you choose to ignore my views....and keep asking the same question regarding RA and Lucifer.  Why?  What is your view?  What do YOU think?  Is RA Lucifer to you?  Because I've been plain as day in this thread as to my perspective on RA.  Not one person here that has read this thread for as long as it has been posted is under the impression I believe RA is Lucifer.  So why do you continue to ask me this?  And you do understand this is my perspective gained under past life regression and RV sessions right?  

    Personally it's like telling me I don't exist here in this thread...and my views of RA are not being acknowledged by you one way or the other....other then the fact you KEEP asking me is RA in fact Lucifer?  I do believe if you have read this thread you would know that answer...and stop asking me that question.  It's actually starting to annoy me.  I don't go to your thread and do the same now do I?  I don't agree with several views of the Thuban threads...but I don't go there and ask them the obvious as to what they are posting.  Whether I agree or not.  I have posted when I agree or not...but I don't keep asking the same rhetorical questions.  

    knowing the OP of the thread is in fact far form the illusion that RA is Lucifer. Why do you continue to ask me this question and why do you insist on asking a question you know I don't agree with?  It's a simple question.....several question here have been posed to you now.  It's not about your supposed confusion....far from it.  Even though you say this.....I'm not buying it.  You have something to say so say it.  You know my views on RA...so say what you really feel instead of posing the question here at me time and time again. Transparency is starting to seep through all these questions you know.  I'd just like to hear it from you.
    Thank-you for a terrific thread Brook! I haven't read through all of it yet, but I will do so today. As you mentioned - I was passively upset on Avalon 1 that my Thuban stuff was removed for an extended period of time - and I was moderately upset that Avalon 1 was closed. I still visit AV1 at least once a week - and I notice that more people are using AV1 than AV2. We must have hit a sensitive and powerful nerve! All of this is a game (corrupt vs stupid?)- which must be played properly. I'm interested in the folklore and symbolism - but I am more interested in WHO created them - and more importantly WHY?

    I am interested in male/female, human/reptile, black/white, master/slave, historical/contemporary, truth/lies, purity/corruption, sanity/insanity, and the true nature of human, grey, reptilian, and hybrid souls (are they all the same?). I am hypothesizing a central Lucifer/Goddess figure over thousands or tens of thousands of years - which could involve all of the above. Even if such a figure does not exist (if Lucifer/Lilith/Hathor/Isis/Mary did not exist - it would be necessary to invent her!) - it might be helpful to view history through her eyes - thinking Lucifer's thoughts after her - without aspiration or veneration. See a related 'Lucifer' thread - elsewhere on this site. http://www.themistsofavalon.net/universal-lounge-f8/who-is-lucifer-what-are-they-doing-t841.htm?highlight=lucifer

    Now I shall proceed to research your thread Brook. You provided the best information on the 'Amen Ra' thread in AV1. Thanks again! Namaste.

    I'm thinking that an esoteric study of Egypt and Babylon will be the most disillusioning and enlightening experience imaginable - especially for life-long Christians. I can only take so much of this subject at a time. I have to engage in sort of a pseudo-intellectual hit and run. There are some very interesting black speakers who address the subject of ancient Egypt - especially Kemet. Unfortunately there is a strong black vs white undercurrent - which is quite understandable - and I just look past it.

    On AV1 - there have been over 13,000 views of the 'Amen Ra' thread - and the number is increasing every day. This subject could be the key to a lot of things - but we should be careful not to focus so much on the symbols and folklore that we miss the hidden realities which they point to. Even the Bible seems to be a giant puzzle to be solved. When we really solve it - this truth may set us free. The Bible may be a giant safe - containing unimaginable hidden treasures. Egyptology may be the key which unlocks this safe. 'Seek ye first the Kingdom of God, and His Righteousness --- and all these things shall be added unto you.'

    I sometimes wonder if black giants, or the ones with the interesting head shapes, ruled the world - until Battlestar Moon showed up around 10,000 years ago - filled with white-folk from Aldebaran??? There were giants in the promised land. Hmmmm. Think long and hard regarding ancient black vs white --- male vs female ----- human vs reptilian ----- and various combinations. Use Occam's Razor (sounds like a slasher movie!) to cut to the chase! Occam was a Slasher. Oedipus was a Mother. Pavlov was a Dog. And.....if my speculations are correct....the Father of Lies is a Real Mother. Notice who's on top in the second video at the beginning of this thread. Notice who's on top of the Capitol Building in Washington D.C.

    Wow Lionhawk! Your posts always floor me! Can you tell me if Reptilian Beings have Human Souls? OR -- do Human Beings have Reptilian Souls? Are we all Human/Reptilian Hybrids --- with various percentage differentials? Are Greys really Reptilians? Do Humans, Reptilians, and Greys have more in common than we think? Is most of this madness homegrown --- going back thousands of years --- right here on Earth --- mostly in North Africa and the Southwestern United States? Is the U.S. really the 'Head of the Snake'? Do the Underground Bases and the City States constitute the Biblical Babylon? Is Lucifer the Whore of Babylon? 'What fate Omoroca?' (Stargate SG-1 'Fire and Water') Nuff said!

    Thank-you Brook and Lionhawk. I keep thinking of a goddess killing a god - stealing this god's technology - and ruling Earth - from the Garden of Eden to the present. There is an aspect of the goddess concept which I like - and there is an aspect which I despise and oppose. There is an aspect of Anna in 'V' which I really like - and there is an aspect which is hideously reprehensible. My soul and reptilian questions are very relevant to the goddess concept - which includes the mythology and reality of the goddess in ancient Egypt. I am running with the concept of Lucifer = Lilith = Hathor = Isis = Mary and others. In other words - a single key entity who reincarnates endlessly into human/reptile/hermaphroditic bodies - with total reincarnational recall and 100% use of the brain - and complete access to the Vatican library and other repositories of ancient wisdom and technology - which could include the complete contents of the Library of Alexandria (was there a duplicate created before the fire, or were the best contents removed before the fire?) - which might include antigravity craft, zero-point energy, atomic energy, nuclear weapons, tectonic weapons, supercomputers, genetic manipulation and hybridization, etc. What if all of this wisdom and technology was really stolen from us? I'm just going to keep pressing forward with this line of thinking to see where it leads. Obviously, the proof will probably be virtually non-existant, and circumstantial evidence may have to suffice until insiders really start fessing up in the confessional - and the skeletons start falling out onto the ground. Don't hold your breath.

    I'm a Columbo fan too, Linda. I once saw Peter Falk, on location, one dark night. I liked his style, and in many ways, I try to emulate it in my postings. One more thing:

    In that first video (post 63), at 01:50, the Whore of Babylon looks like Kali, except that her tongue isn't sticking out.
    http://www.google.com/images?rlz=1T4GGIR_enUS216US217&q=kali+images&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=bomFTI3bFImosQOd6ZmTDg&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CCkQsAQwAA
    Usually the Whore of Babylon is equated with the Roman Catholic Church. I think this is incorrect. I think the Whore of Babylon may give orders to the Black Pope. I suspect it - but I can't prove it. I just can't get away from the thought of being in the Sistine Chapel, in the Vatican, with the Black Pope, the Top-Ranking Jesuits, the Whore of Babylon, and a Nine Foot Tall Drac (principle pimp and chairman of the board) - listening to a completely open debate regarding forbidden knowledge. I'm thinking this would send me sobbing uncontrollably into the night. As interested and nice as we are - we are amateurs. I think an alphabet-type told Kerry something to that effect. There is a certain arrogance to this - but there is also a certain truth to it as well. My emotional state, and my thinking ability, is severely compromised. I know I'm not even close to hitting bedrock in my search for truth, solutions, security, and happiness. I am very concerned that the old paradigms and lies are going to be replaced by new paradigms and lies - which continue to bypass the real truths and answers. I'm seeing an ongoing infowar rather than a golden age of peace and happiness. I so hope that I'm wrong. Kali was/is the black Indian goddess who kills lots and lots of people. Sort of reminds me of Hathor on a bad day. I'm thinking that all of the different gods and goddesses may represent the various aspects of a single god or goddess - and, as you know, I am leaning toward the unified goddess hypothesis. But I can't prove it. If I could - I'd probably be history. I have heard that Lucifer is dead - but could this be an exaggeration? Would Lucifer prefer that people think that he or she is dead? I'm thinking that Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer are alive and well - and living in this solar system - and that they might lead the three primary competing factions in this neck of the woods. I'm not subscribing to a lot of the 'aliens from distant stars, inhabiting numerous dimensions and densities, many dozens of alien races' new age mumbo jumbo. I'm going to attempt to exhaust theories which place nearly everything 'alien' within this solar system - and which involve humans, reptiles (as in dinosaurs or sauroids), and human/reptile hybrids - all with the same type of soul (which can reincarnate into any of these varieties). I'm also toying with the idea that interdimensional reptilians and human souls are one and the same thing - and that what I just said in the last couple of sentences constitutes 99% of the so called 'alien presence'. (at least for the last 10,000 years, or so) I think that some very, very evil laboratories have existed in this solar system for thousands of years - and have produced many varieties of Frankenstein's Monster. The truth may be sharper than Occam's Razor - and it may cut both ways.

    I think that the Creator God of the Universe set things up in a most excellent way - which then got screwed-up in a most horrible manner. I'm not sure who was/is responsible - but justice needs to be served - and law and order needs to be restored in this solar system. I believe that a Solar System Exorcism and a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System would remedy most of the most pressing ills we face. But what the hell do I know. I don't go out of the body. I don't do regression hypnosis. I don't have spirit guides. I don't even pray anymore. I don't trust the gods and goddesses. They let me down. I'm currently reading through the Four Gospels in the New King James Version of the Holy Bible (I recommend doing this regularly) - but I do not consider this to be the Word of the Creator God of the Universe. Could this be some of Lucifer's best work? Don't laugh at me, or hate me. Jesus said that he had many things to tell us - but that we couldn't bear them. Paul tried to do good, but did evil instead - and considered himself to be a wretched man. Was Paul really Josephus? Were they all the same individual? Were they front-men (or creations) of Mary? Was the Historical Jesus created by the Woman in Scarlet to be a Red Herring? Are the Teachings of Jesus mostly true and beneficial? Was Mary a continuation of a Whore of Babylon Apostolic Succession? If we do not consider all of the possibilities - even the far-fetched and seemingly ridiculous ones - are we really doing our job? If you sing a song or throw a football - the crowds cheer, and you get paid tens of millions of dollars. If you search for truth, and try to save the world - you get nothing but a swift kick where it counts. What's wrong with this picture? Is this world really worth saving? Perhaps the Georgia Guidestones have a point. How many people will read this? Ten maybe? How many demonic entities have been assigned the task of spying on me and reigning me in? Ten maybe? I just swore at them, and flipped them off! These b@stards live with me without paying rent!! There's a shapeshifting Jesuit living in my attic! The heart of darkness could of at least sent a sexy cyborg from another dimension to keep track of me! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-z54EP0EhM

    I've been neglecting this thread - but now I'm going to dig into it with enthusiasm. I know that Lucifer is supposed to be deceased - but I will continue to speculate about the past, present, and future of Lucifer. I'm finding it helpful to think of a Male Nine-Foot Tall Draconian Reptilian God/Satan Pimp of This World - a Female (or hermaphroditic) Human/Reptile Hybrid Mediatrix Lucifer/Lilith/Hathor/Isis/Mary/Anna ("V") Whore of Babylon - and a Sensitive Male Fully Human Jesus (who is very good, yet lacks the nasty, cunning firepower of the other two - and who most people won't give the time of day to). Gabriel, Lucifer, Michael? Mason, Nazi, Magician? The three primary faction leaders in this solar system? Sirius A, Sirius B, Andromeda? Thank-you BROOK for forcing me to deal with the details of Egyptology. Thank-you Lionhawk for providing your 'from the inside' insights into the hidden realms. I'm not a scholar or an experiencer. I'm a neurotic speculator. It takes all kinds - but sometimes I wonder why?

    A couple of you mentioned that something didn't feel right in connection with the Tibetan writings. I think we have to face the fact that EVERYONE and EVERYTHING is a mixture of good and evil - including the Gods and Goddesses. We really do have to pick and choose. The closer one comes to a saint - the less saintly they appear to be.

    Once again - what do you folks think about the following possibility: Aldebaran > Sirius > Tibet > Babylon > Egypt > Greece > Rome > Roman Catholicism > Nazi Party > New World Order? I've been playing hooky from this thread - and I have become quite interested in Shiva/Kali, the Trinity Goddess, and the Queen of Heaven. See the 'Tibet, Kali, and the Trinity Goddess' thread. Take a look a the 'Infiltration of the New Age' thread also. It's amazing. Now it's time to catch up on this thread.

    I'm thinking that we need to study all of the connected words listed above - as a unit - rather than in isolation - to really understand what's going on.

    Who is behind all of the ancient theologies, mythologies, gods, and goddesses? Who is the man or woman behind the curtain?

    I was interested in this thread a while back, but then I got distracted (pissing-off the Jesuits and the Queen of Heaven). I will try to go back through everything, to get up to speed, but I have a quick question. What if one ET group is about to kick the ET group out of the solar system, which has been ruling Earth for thousands of years? What if that ET group is us? Might we be 'Fallen Angels' or the 'Orion Group'? I keep getting the horrible feeling that I'm either really good (but ineffective) or really bad (and guilty of who knows what?) - reincarnationally. I seem to be pretty much neutral, this time around. I mean well enough, but I can't seem to do a damn thing - good or bad. I feel like I'm screwed presently - and that I will be screwed even worse in the near future. I've had some strange encounters over the past year - which I don't wish to talk about - but I get the feeling that something really is a brewing. Hmmmmmm. By the way - whatever became of Tone3Jaguar and his dowsing all of that ET spaceship activity? They must be having a helluva party up there!

    Does Amen Ra have anything to do with all of this? Does Hathor have anything to do with all of this? Does Horus have anything to do with all of this? Why do we have to play 'Star Wars' and 'Masters of the Universe'? Can't we just all get along? Why can't we base this solar system on Responsibility and the US Constitution - and attempt to accomodate all races and ideologies - within this larger context? Why can't this solar system become a paradise? Do ancient wrongs have to be righted with retribution, recompense, and annihilation? Why can't things be set up properly - and then kindly yet firmly discipline those who choose to continue to be @$$holes??? Why is this so @#%$&* hard??? Advanced beings can travel the stars superluminally - yet they behave like a bunch of drunken sailors??? WTF??? BTW - I thought the Andromedans were supposed to be the good guys? What would Alex Collier say? What if the Queen of Heaven created the Dracs? What if the Queen of Heaven is an Annunaki? I really want the complete truth to emerge - and then I want a reconciliation - which might include incarceration and restitution - but no #$%^& Star Wars Extermination BS!!! What about that Solar System Exorcism? Can this be expanded to keep all of the Bastards of the Universe OUT OF THIS SOLAR SYSTEM???? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMWOHfG_jFo

    Brook wrote:
    Are Draconians considered Earthlings because they are here? I don't see where this faction coming here are said to be Andromedans, simply because they are coming from that system at this time. In fact lets see here.......What if I told you that they are heading here from the Andromeda Galaxy? What if I told you that they are not originally from Andromeda?

    orthodoxymoron responded:
    We'll just have to get our act together here in this solar system - get the Dracs and Annunaki to do battle with the incoming b@d@$$ dudes on their way from Andromeda - and then when what's left gets here - we'll finish them off. And I'm a pacifist. Did these b@$t@rds get kicked-out of Andromeda? Are the good-guys finally getting the upper-hand over the bad-guys? Perhaps this incoming group should turn on their leaders - kick their @$$ - and join us! Just a thought. Decisions, decisions...

    What if Earth Human Beings were originally from Aldebaran, Sirius, and M-42? Are we really Earthlings? Some say that Earth is not our planet. Could this have some validity? Does anyone have a clue as to who the Mystery Incoming Visitors (MIV) might be? If the Draconians are really Human/Reptile Hybrids - created in genetics labs within this solar system - should we still call them Dracs or Alpha Draconians?

    Do you remember, in 'Avatar', when Jake stands his ground against a really nasty creature - which then runs away - and Jake thinks he's really hot - until he finds out that there's an even meaner and nastier group of creatures behind him - which is why the other guy is running away. Perhaps the toughest gangs in the cosmos are getting ready to rumble here in this solar system. This may be a most dangerous game we are playing. What would Rainsford say? I guess I'd like to see everyone rally around the concept of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom - implemented in their own way, and in their own time. The regressives of the universe might find themselves vastly outnumbered and outgunned - very soon.

    JOHN MAY LIVES! LONG LIVE THE FIFTH COLUMN! RESPONSIBLE FREEDOM FIGHTERS UNITE!

    Brook wrote:
    It doesn't work that way ODM...,we are born to this planet...,our frequency is meshed if you will to her. We are created in these bodies to her. We are children of EARTH. The right question to ask is...where did our soul body come from?....that is the right question to ask......I know where my home planet is...but I'm here now. I'm from this earth, born of this earth. As such, this is where I anchor my energy.

    orthodoxymoron responded:
    Again - if the Dracs were created right here in this solar system - and especially if they have souls which are of the same origin and nature as average human beings - are Dracs to be considered to be 'Earthlings'? And even more unsettling, should they be considered to be Humans? If some of these Non-Andromedans from Andromeda were actually born or hatched in Andromeda - should they be considered to be 'Andromedans'? What if we stole this planet - and stole fire from the gods - in the form of advanced technology and wisdom? Should the gods just forget the whole damn thing? Are all of the ancient Star Wars now properly resolved? If not - how do we right any past wrongs - and make sure that they don't happen again? I simply wish to see this solar system become a refuge for benevolent beings - human or otherwise. Those who are presently here, should be allowed to stay, if they play fair and play nice - regardless of origins and past misdeeds. Future transgressions should be dealt-with kindly yet firmly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ey6ugTmCYMk&feature=related

    What if our moon once accompanied Nibiru? I think I asked this somewhere else - but I didn't notice if anyone replied. What if some of us used the Moon as a 'getaway car'. Or - is the Moon really a Nibiruan UFO - which is keeping us under lock and key? What is the relationship between Earth, Moon, Nibiru, and Sirius? Seriously.

    What if the Asteroid Belt, the Kuiper Belt, and the Oort Cloud are mostly spaceships? What if most of the planets and moons in this solar system are spaceships (including Earth and its Moon)? I continue to lean toward the practice of multidisciplinary research, accompanied by classical sacred music, lots of exercise in nature, lots of rest and sleep, interaction with other researchers, and lots of independent thinking and speculation. I am wary of being-assisted far journeys - in whatever state or dimension. I really wish to convert the whole damn universe to the concept of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom. I wish for it to be implemented here - but if there are really b@d@$$ beings (who scare the stuffings out of the Dracs) who are on their way to beat us into reverent submission - then we may need the assistance of other benevolent beings throughout the universe - to decisively deal with those who would do us harm. What if the Annunaki, the Greys, and the Dracs are Human/Reptile Hybrid Supersoldiers created by Lucifer in Underground Base Genetics Laboratories throughout the solar system? What if the really b@d@$$ incoming bunch originated in these same labs - and are travelling throughout the universe - engaging in heartless and cruel conquest? What if this solar system is a staging area for universal conquest - establishing a truly Universal Chruch Theocracy? I hope I didn't spoil anyone's day - but shouldn't we consider all of the possibilities? What would Lucifer say? I might not have to wait very long for an answer. Lucifer - can we cut the crap - and get to the point? I know I'm just a "commoner" - but I do have valid questions - which continue to go unanswered...

    instigator wrote:
    why do we continue to ask questions outside oneself, the only answers are contained with-in ...... connect and the answers will come, dont connect and continue seeking for gurus and 4th hand information. those who are unable to obtain 1st hand information need to get to work or the party will come and you wont be invited as you failed to reserve your seats. Namaste'

    orthodoxymoron responded:
    I keep asking the questions, so as to make you face yourself (and inner-self, higher-self, spirit-guides, et's, et al) and think. I sort of like the going within approach. I do it for answers...

    Lionhawk wrote:
    ODM,

    Have you ever heard of the expression, "You need to get laid," ? Well with that same type of energy, "You need to get into a sweat lodge."

    I remember the conversation we had months ago and what was said still stands and you continue to validate that conversation.

    You are not finding your answers to your questions in the way you would like to have them laid in your lap. A lot of your questions are based in 3D and a lot of them are also based in 4D. Well if you never go into 4D, how do you expect to find 4D answers in 3D. Your constitution is basically based on conditional energies and since we are moving away from that into an unconditional place of knowing, your constitution will not be applicable. Maybe if you did this 100 years ago. I am sure others have attempted to answer your questions. I have seen this occur and yet you continue to ask them over and over again. Are you stuck? If you are, then find out what is making you stuck, so that you can "FREE YOUR MIND."

    There is no such thing as a stupid question except for the one that never gets asked. But you know what they say about insanity, and if you are asking the same questions over and over and not getting the answers you seek, that only means you need to figure a different way to get those answers. What is also beyond insane is when you do get the answers but refuse yourself the opportunity to really prove it out for yourself. When are you going to start trusting what you are made of? If you continue on this path, you will find yourself in a deep place of inner frustration with no questions answered. The only change I can see is just more questions. But still no answers. And then again that might be your only mission. To get folks to think out of the box asking the questions that they might entertain. Maybe a huge blessing in disguise.

    My only wish for you is your own happiness. If this is what makes you tick and that is your mission and your happy doing it, then so be it. But if not, then find whatever it is to FREE YOUR MIND!

    Please take this constructively. I have already answered your Lucifer question months ago. I think Mercuriel can also validate that for you. So if you can't accept that since it is second hand to you, then find out in the first hand. If you keep seeking outside yourself for the answers, expect to keep chasing those answers and entertaining us with your questions that you never get answers for.

    Personally I think you are a genius/madman in disguise.

    orthodoxymoron responded:
    Might I be stepping on toes with my incessant pseudointellectual inquiries? What would Raven say? 95% of my questions are not answered by anyone, regardless of whether they go within, go without, go out of body, or go out of their minds. And yes - I am stuck on f#$%ed.

    Lionhawk wrote:
    I think you are stepping on your own toes. Raven would probably give you another cussing. Which you don't deserve. Sort it out ODM as the curtain is starting to close for some of us.

    orthodoxymoron responded:
    I think I have sorted the major issues out - namely the relationship between responsibility and freedom - and most people do not seem to want responsible freedom - and yes, when a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System becomes a reality in the near future - the transition will be excruciating for many, if not most. Indeed, the curtain and the conduit are closing. BTW - I'm not stepping on my toes. I'm stepping on my d#$%!

    I just want to repeat that I envision a perfected humanity living in a perfected solar system - WITHOUT ANY ARMAGEDDON OR EXTERMINATION OF ANY KIND. I think there may be malevolent forces in this universe who want us dead - or at least suffering - and wishing we were dead. I want to repeat also that if any of you (human or otherwise) are not here to help the human race achieve SUSTAINABLE RESPONSIBLE FREEDOM - then please leave this solar system now - without harming anyone or anything. I'm serious about a SOLAR SYSTEM EXORCISM. I'm serious about establishing a NAMASTE CONSTITUTIONAL RESPONSIBLE FREEDOM SOLAR SYSTEM AKA THE UNITED STATES OF THE SOLAR SYSTEM - BASED UPON RESPONSIBILITY AND THE U.S. CONSTITUTION. If any of you are waiting for me to change my mind - it isn't going to happen. I doubt that I have much clout - but I will continue to pretend that I do. What's funny about all of this - is that I'll probably be long-gone by the time this becomes a reality. This concept will probably rise from the ashes (phoenix-like) of a failed New World Order - so please prepare to rebuild this world - the right way.

    I've been reading 'The Gods of Eden' by William Bramley. Please, please read this book! It's amazing! Alex Collier was right to recommend it! My question is, 'am I a friend or a foe of the Gods of Eden?' Perhaps I am both friend and foe - their worst enemy and their best buddy. I really think that Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom is the wave of the future - even for the Gods of Eden - and even for Lucifer. BTW - I will continue to assume that Lucifer or the Queen of Heaven, or Amen Ra, or Hathor, or Whoever continues to run this solar system in a manner which is not in the best interest of the human race. I truly wish for things to work out well for ALL CONCERNED. If I owned a herd of cattle - why would I want them to be fighting with each other and exterminating themselves? Even if we are essentially cattle, why wouldn't our owners be better-off instituting a proper solar system government - with highly competent self-rule? Even if our masters are 1,000 times as intelligent as us - shouldn't we have a cordial and proper relationship with them? I don't really know where we are in the universal food-chain - but a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System would work well - whether we are at the bottom, middle, or top of the galactic pecking order. CAN COOLER HEADS PLEASE PREVAIL??!!

    I keep watching 'Stargate Continuum'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ostc7pHMpSw Watch this repeatedly - then face yourself - and think, and think, and think...

    Beren wrote:
    Ortho,

    you want basically same thing all over with new players. Let us see how;

    namaste- used by eastern cultures and mainly Indian , talks about respecting your spirit and divine in you as in me- in its core.

    constitutional - you refer to the American constitution which is a document written by same people who annihilated millions of native Americans and had slaves. Same people with same weakness as modern people.

    responsible- now you dwell in an area where every person has to answer for themselves consciously. And that`s a divine in us ,in full bloom which is ,sadly, not developed yet en masse.

    freedom- freedom comes when you are united with God. Are people today united with God???

    So basically you mix the non mixable.
    You can`t have new world with an old rules. You can`t have light with infusion of darkness. You can`t be Love when you have fear.

    Ortho, I ask you to speak with God ,the best way your good heart can. Rise above questions , still your mind and trust God. All will be explained to you and you will be comforted. But you have to take the first step. Leap of faith above fear.

    Be blessed!

    orthodoxymoron responded:
    Thank-you Beren. The Creator God of the Universe gave us minds - and we should use them - rather than having faith in we know not what, and trusting in malevolent extraterrestrials - who are probably laughing at our stupidity - for thousands and thousands of years.

    Namaste is recognizing the Divinity Within Humanity, Loving Neighbor as Self, and Seeing Christ in All Persons.

    Constitutional provides for a Sustainable Organized Decentralism, and a Minimalist Union of Spirituality and State.

    Responsible is Love with Substance - and More Than a Feeling. It is Making the Problems of the World - My Problem - rather than passing by on the other side - and ignoring them. It is Self Control. It is Thinking Things Through - Cause and Effect - on an Ongoing and Long-Term Basis.

    Freedom is that which results when all of the above are harmoniously implemented. Pursuing freedom directly leads to anarchy - and ultimately to tyranny. Responsible Freedom is the only Lasting Freedom.

    Why is all of the above so objectionable to so many people? Perhaps we really deserve the New World Order which the Powers That Be have planned for us. Perhaps we will just have to learn the hard way - century after century after century - and maybe we'll never get it.

    burgundia wrote:
    Orty..this thread is not for such a big number of your questions...please ask them somewhere else..

    Brook wrote:
    And to ODM, I know your thought provoking questions and what they are about. Anybody who knows the sales game knows the first thing you must do to get the sale is "overcome the objection"...and you've got me sold on your Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom campaign. The questions you ask are the objections, and you provide the questions to overcome them. So keep asking the questions......but folks never let it be said he has not got his Constitution to sell...and it's something to "think" about. Just look at the questions as overcoming the objections...you'll see there is not much to overcome.
    And they span the whole lot of objections they do.  

    Now the thing about asking those question here on this thread are redundant, as this is the major objective of this thread in may respects. I'm with you on the objectives here ODM. I think you can clearly see this. So why ask them here? it's like preaching to the choir you know. Now what I would recommend is reading some of these posts, and realizing the parallel, and going with the flow, as it is in the same direction dear. Just a different perspective. And after all it is important to realize that each and everyone of us has our own unique perspective. As long as it flows in the general direction of Change for the better are we not on the same page here? Ask that question and see what other questions you may have that are relevant to the goal and this thread. Because repeating the same questions is redundant.....freshen it up and create some new ones of relevance to this thread. After all that is what I invited you to do in the beginning of this thread.

    Lionhawk wrote:
    In my own personal opinion, I think your constitution will never be implemented. Not because for what it stands for. That is not what I think is questionable. But you ask for the impossible at least in the present time frame. And I think that is why it hasn't taken off. You are posing your questions to those who have on one hand no regard or respect for life forms outside of their own lineage. What do you expect? You are not dealing with reasonable life forms. Who are totally bent on domination of anything outside of their own inner circle. That would also include solar systems.

    The fact of the matter is that we have been so suppressed. As that is what this thread is all about in the first place. In the ways of how, who, and the why. In order for your constitution to take form, these other issues have to be cleared out of the way. Neutralized. Forgiven. At the same time, personal sovereignty must be claimed and self realized. This thread is a good doorway to discover the bigger picture. It isn't the only doorway. So it is how one can formulate their perspective but more importantly how one can increase their field of awareness. For without that your perspective will surely be limited.

    Granted everything comes down to consciousness. On all levels of existence. The understanding of frequency and energy is most important and how it has been applied with specific dramas in our history, such as the Egyptians.

    I have no need for more rules and regulations. We have enough of them as it is and I think they hold us back. The laws of this or that being forced upon us as if it is a good thing. But designed in a conditional place of knowing. Promoting more of the disconnect we find ourselves in. So for me, I don't need a constitution of more rules. I think once you have taken responsibility for self, all bets are off and the rules and regulations go out the window. It is a state of being that is most important. Without the conditional mumbo jumbo. You won't get there in that state with the mumbo jumbo.

    To top it off, your constitution doesn't apply to all as you may think. I am sure Sol, our sun, operates with his own multidimensional template and has no need for a 3D constitution. As we will be in progress to realize in the coming days ahead. What matters most is that you understand that there are many levels of consciousness and expressions of that consciousness that have their own set of unique parameters that allows that expression to exist and flourish. Again, one size shoe doesn't fit all.

    And if you address a question to someone such as Lucifer and you don't get an answer, then something is up. It becomes madness when you perseverate the question like a mouse on one of those mouse thread mills. You may think no one is listening because no one may respond to it, but I am pretty sure most folks heard you the first time and most do really listen. After that, it becomes so redundant to the point where it can turn people off. And when you see long posts with that type of thing going on, there is a tendency to ignore the rest of it. And that is not what I call taking responsibility for your works and allowing freedom to express itself when you hear it over and over. It sounds like another program and as most programs do is they repeat themselves. Thus the turn off. I have two rules. #1 There are no rules. #2 Refer back to rule #1.

    orthodoxymoron responded:
    Perhaps I need to reconsider Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom. Perhaps the true Creator God of the Universe should rule this solar system, and the rest of the universe, as he or she sees fit. I have merely been trying to determine what went wrong in this solar system, and how to fix it. Aristocracy and Theocracy really didn't seem to work historically, and it seems that powerful entities, who are not the Creator God of the Universe, are attempting to play god here in this solar system. I simply didn't want Crusades, Inquisitions, Wars, and Atrocities to keep occurring. I simply wanted the madness to end - and for this solar system to be run properly. But judging from the response I have received - this solar system - and probably the rest of the universe - really does need a God to tell them what to do. But the Creator God of the Universe seems to be excluded from this solar system. Perhaps this is what needs to change. Perhaps the Creator God of the Universe needs to be invited back into this solar system. I continue to fly blind - without proper information - and this really isn't fair. How can I make proper decisions without proper information. So I'm going to stop pushing a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System - until I have better information upon which to make any kind of a determination regarding Solar System Governance. I'm sorry to have bothered all of you. God help us.

    Beren commented:
    Ortho. that`s why I said you have to have that leap of faith.
    You arrived on the position where nothing moves. You are stuck. With questions,with entities,energies,frequencies...
    And all reason seems vague for you now. And precisely you came to a dead end of your journey . But with a reason!
    The reason is for you is that God wants you to learn and remember .

    To remember that all technology that was man made or ET made is just that- technology. A suitable tool for carnal creature.
    But since God `s essence and who God is is not carnal ,it is spiritual.
    God does not need any technology since it is a spirit. The almighty spirit. The essence of energy and love and life.
    Single thought is enough for God to create a galaxy.

    Can you fathom that?

    Can it fit into your mind and heart?

    But YOU have to take that leap of faith and actually trust God.
    God will not force you to trust him.
    But others will try to force you to trust them ,such as dark ones.

    They need to make their point by all tech and all rules but God doesn`t need to make any point.
    For God is Love. God created everything. And even those souls whom are now dark ones were in their beginning a light ones.
    But since they chose fear and thus sunk into its dark pits ,YOU don`t have to do that!

    And never for a second think that God is absent from this solar system.
    Just because you think that God isn`t here ,that doesn`t mean that he `s absent.

    Even planet in this shape as Earth now is a reminder of God`s love for us. Even in this damaged shape.
    But since of the free will law it is been allowed by God that everybody prove their point .
    Earth suffered a lot because of that.

    But that is about to change.

    " I am making everything new"

    Remember that?

    Leave the old paradigm ,it done its purpose. Truth is that this kind of conscience prevalent on earth today and in other realms is doomed to fail. Since its core premise is based on fear.

    Everything that is not rooted in Love is doomed to fail.

    So Ortho, leave the old system and become who you are born to be. A son of light.
    Have trust in God. He trusts in you.
    Stop poisoning your heart with ways you did.
    Live and Love.

    Lionhawk commented:
    I don't think what you have presented is a bad thing at all. It is a new place of knowing. It also shows your heart in all of this ODM. I commend you for it, actually. It's just over coming the odds of having your work implemented is going to take a lot of miracles for this to occur into reality. You also have to realize we are heading in a direction never before experienced. I would let your work stand for others who never have been to this bridge before. It would at least promote greater thought for those who are now getting to this point. So please don't be dishearten with my comments or the lack of participation with your work.

    I would hope that you will someday end up on a council that promotes what you are striving for. But who knows if that will be needed if we end up in the fifth and beyond. Carol is another one, I think would be great in some type of council. Maybe you guys already are and don't know it and you are reflecting back your work on others levels. I'd like to think so.

    orthodoxymoron wrote:
    But the Creator God of the Universe seems to be excluded from this solar system. Perhaps this is what needs to change. Perhaps the Creator God of the Universe needs to be invited back into this solar system.

    mudra wrote:
    I think you are seeing things very clearly here as this is not a " perhaps " but a certainty that the moment we are able to open that space in our Heart where the Creator dwells the solar system will never be the same anymore.
    Every time any one of us finds his way back to Source the universe is brought back a little more to balance.
    It is like stepping out of the box and unlocking our shackles.
    Sol out there with unconditional Love is attending and giving birth to all life .
    In the same way as he warms mother Earth everyday and brings everything to light, we also, have a sun of our own in our Heart.We are able to shine and bring warmth around us in our own unique way.It is our very nature to do so , no matter how much we have been told and sometimes been convinced otherwise.By being One with Source we are freeing ourselves from artificial bounderies and make a difference in terms of growth, expansion and harmony for all.
    So within , so without.

    burgundia wrote:
    I do not know why but i have a problem with calling any entity or God - Lord. It sounds to me very subservient. Plus, Lord is masculine and I doubt that the Creator is male or female. I also have a feeling that Jesus wouldn't like to be called "Lord".

    orthodoxymoron responded:
    I completely agree, burgundia.

    Carol wrote:
    Although I did post this elsewhere I think it really goes here as I had this intuitional flash and this is what makes the most sense to me based on what I do know about ET and our planet. As I mentioned earlier, the NWO has stepped up its agenda. I'm convinced that many politicians have been eliminated and replaced with clones. What better way to insure they get through their nefarious NWO global agendas. Of course I do have a wild imagination... based on reality. And my reality is a bit broader based then the average citizen. I know for a fact, based on first hand reports from someone I personally have met and spent time with, that the ET clones had wiped out the original underground and undersea ET bases in Italy of their creators and taken over various corporations. If one wants to delve deeper into how this particular group of ETs (clones) are taking over the planet... just start with reading Mass Contacts by Stefano Breccia http://shop.1asecure.com/prod.cfm?ProdID=370402&StID=5503 He actually brought along the voice recordings of one of the clones. No one would be able to recognize the difference except that perhaps they don't have a soul. Those with "second" sight would know. And there are those with "second" sight are also being hunted down by the shadow government as well so they tend to hide out and stay very low key. The original ETs were very positive, however, their clones turned on them and are without compassion... the clones are much more technologically oriented. Then we have the reptilian agenda that have been here a bit longer then the clones and of course, add to the mix the Greys. The reality is that the war we are really battling is who gets to control our planets resources, including humankind. So the question which begs to be answered is this, "Who really is controlling all of these political agendas?" And I do see the battle lines being drawn - and I do pity politicians as they will be the first targeted by the common man once they realize the truth and look at voting records along with personal bank accounts. A yacht on the high seas or a bunker underground will end up being the only safe places left for the these types once the populace revolts. Meanwhile, I take comfort in the reality that there are more of us then them and we still have a slim chance to play this game out to the advantage of the planet and her children in the short time remaining because humankind is ready for its DNA upgrade.

    orthodoxymoron responded:
    This sounds like Humans creating Cylons in 'Battlestar Galactica'. Did ancient Humans create all manner of hybrids - including the Dracs, Greys, and Annunaki - with forbidden technology (possibly obtained from Regressive Interdimensional Reptilians?). Did they obtain and/or invent computers, nukes, antigravity-spacecraft etc. Did they enslave the hybrids, and demand worship? Did the hybrids rebel - and confiscate most of the forbidden technology? Did the hybrids steal 'Fire from the Gods'? Are the 'aliens' really rebel hybrids - who we created? Does the 'Original Sin' involve all of the above? Have the renegade hybrids been raising hell with us for thousands of years? Are they presently considering exterminating us? If we somehow eliminated or removed the renegade hybrids - would all of the fancy technology be in the best of hands - or the worst of hands? Do we need the hybrids to reign us in? Should my fantasy of a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System include hybrids? If most of my questions are answered affirmatively - how should this mess properly be resolved? If reincarnation is a reality - I am very afraid regarding what I might have done, or who I might have been, historically.

    Brook wrote:
    Thank you Tom For that most insightful post. Not much I can disagree with in it. Maybe a few small points. But for the greater part of the message I agree emphatically. I would absolutely agree with the latest mindset on ancient Egypt. Mostly because it is the root of much of the pain and suffering you see out there today. If you were to actually follow the "historic' part of it, you would not believe what a trap it really is. Devised to suck you into it's evil blissful insights of the words of Thoth. An evil bidder and leader of the biggest lies told. From the beginning to the most present "new age" concepts that are reeling the minds of those that get tagged by it. From his teachings and words came most of the perverted religions of the world. And many can now see that. But to simply blame Lucifer, would let these bastards off the hook. Nope, they do not deserve to be let off so easily. These guys were around long before Lucifer came on the scene. Lucifer only took the ball of evil and ran with it upon his arrival. They set the stage for him, and this Rockey Horror Show proceeded full fledged. Much of the writings on these forums are in regard to ET disclosure, while the other half is about human rights stolen by a powerful elite. Call them what ever is deemed necessary. Illuminati is only one faction of a "group" that wants to control the little guy. Keep them down. Keep them in the dark, especially to who they really are. Because when they realize their true potential they will not be able to control any longer. And that day is upon us. For the God I'm aware of is fed up, and gave a deadline to to set things right. As it has not been honored by the 'group", the PTB, and the alien factions that want to dominate this planet, thing are not going to go too well for them. It was written. But in the "teachings" is a trap. Not the "words" mind you...but the "teachings'. Armageddon is upon us. Or so it would seem. But for who is the frightful and most telling part going to be? It's in the words. And quite frankly I'm ready! Bring it on. Get these locusts off this planet and out of our hair. Enough is enough! Now these Alien "serpents", were invited to the party long before Lucifer even thought about taking an interest in this planet. And they took over with great technology that is evident. They erased all evidence of a time before their arrival to ensure their rightful place within our history. It's a sham, and a lie. It does not matter at this point if you wish to blame Lucifer for the "serpent" beings. He would most likely be more than happy to take the wrap. But what does matter is that this technology that has effected our very DNA, and the frequency of the planet is about to go down. Now call it whatever you like. Again, it does not matter at this point what you would term it, or who you would blame for the deeds. What is important is to realize that it's about time we actually have a chance to see our real potential. What we are truly all about. That divine spark that resides in all of us. To awaken to that will be heaven on earth. Make no mistake of that. And it is our divine Creator that will bring that to us. Jesus, one of the greatest prophets, tried to tell us who we truly are. We just did not believe. We did not carry that faith in ourselves or our creator. And rightly so! We had this compression and frequency preventing us from truly seeing who we are. "forgive them for they know not what they do....". Walk on water? We can walk on water? How were we supposed to do that? The answer was clear. We can do greater things? Imagine the possibilities! Imagine KNOWING who you truly are! By going inside and getting the answers that are within. They are there! I have said this for the last year till I'm blue in the face.

    So ODM asks, How should this mess properly be resolved? I'll tell you it is not in our hands to question this. The stage is set, and we are the players. It is not a show. It is life giving birth to a new beginning. Maybe the better thing to ask is "How should we proceed?"......And I'll tell you that Jesus told us all the answers. Barring what the "religions" have told you.....His greatest sayings were, and I will ware it out again. "He who would know everything, but fails to know himself misses the knowledge of everything ". Along with simply having "faith" in our Creator! I will proceed with this thread on my journey of awakening, as it is all about waking up and knowing what you are here for at this present time. But if I can tell anybody one thing for certain....for Gods sake....lose the fear, and strengthen your foundation with faith in the Lord Above!

    orthodoxymoron wrote:
    I'm not in a very trusting mood these days. Whose hands is this important matter residing in? The same hands who have been handling things for thousands of years? I will continue to attempt to think for myself - and second-guess everyone and everything connected with the destiny of humanity. I will continue to be fearful as I survey the wreckage of the past few thousand years - and the current insanity. All has not been well - and all is not well - and I want to know exactly why. I also wish to be absolutely certain that I am placing my faith in the right 'Lord'. Read 'The God's of Eden' by William Bramley for a genuinely eye-opening experience.

    Brook wrote:
    Well ODM, It still makes no difference who's hands it resides in at this point. What matters most are the choices you make. So to question this is extremely important. While I will also add, time is only relevant. What seems like thousands of years in this 3D perspective is only in the blink of any eye. But make no mistake in that long time line perspective there has been plenty of chaos to deal with, I'll go along with that. It would surly give one cause to question who is in charge, and who to trust. But never forget, that your freewill gives you the right to question and make whatever choices you choose. Choose wisely my friend.

    orthodoxymoron wrote:
    That was chilling, Linda. When an entity presents itself - and it is clearly not your everyday human - how does one know that they are who they say they are? I continue to think that deception is rampant. Should polite conversation ensue - or should there be an attempted exorcism - or an exit without hesitation? Jesus was polite during his temptation - but he was special - right? I continue to toy with the notion that most of the gods, goddesses, theologies, mythologies, sacred texts, and philosophies - have a common source. I think the human race has been massively messed-with - and that this is ongoing. What really happened on November 8 - on the Presidential trip to India and Asia? I won't be more specific - but that trip seems very strange to me. Regarding the Egyptian folklore - who was ultimately behind all of it? I think most are cunningly devised fables - but what do these fables tell us about their source? What would you do if someone looked you straight in the eye - and said 'I Am Ra'? Would you believe them? I continue to be interested in the nature of the soul present in humans, hybrids, greys, dracs, et al. Do they all have the same type of soul? The whole story regarding hybridization would probably answer most of the really important questions facing us presently. I'm suspecting some really, really ugly ancient conflicts, enslavements, atrocities, etc. - which remain unresolved. Is there a way to quantitatively and qualitatively evaluate karmic-debt? What is the proper relationship between justice and mercy? Will there be Resolution - or will there be Star Wars? Will we live happily ever after - or will we be blasted to the brink of extinction? Who decides? One more thing. Was there a relationship between Amen Ra and Akhenaten? Was/Is there a relationship between Amen Ra and Obamanaten? How does this relate to monotheism and controlling/disciplining the human race? Consider the chastenings of the Lord, vengeful deities, retribution, recompense, judgment, purification, etc. Now we can get back to the daggers.

    Brook wrote:
    What really happened on November 8- on the Presidential trip to India and Asia? - Check page 28 post number 420 on to page 29 for my take on it. Massively messed with? You think? Back to the Daggers indeed! Because what ever is out there perpetrating this agenda, the idea of that dagger, made by a human source, in their own words, was made as a "Ceremonial Dagger" to be used for, (and this is their own words)......death, darkness and hatred. Now if you want to bring up the cinematic aspect of it all, think of the movie "The Day the Earth Stood Still". Lets hope it does not come to that. Because the shape of much of human existence and what they are doing to this planet says we, as a society, certainly need a check up from the neck up. Remember freewill when you look to the Gods for answers, and even blame. Seriously, what difference does the relationship between one Egyptian God and another accomplish? It would be more prudent to look inside and see what might be the answer to change the direction that is spiraling downward in the human existence. Now the source of that Dagger would be a good place to start..... you think?

    orthodoxymoron wrote:
    Consider the 'Black Mass'. The horror...

    1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Mass
    2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOhhHslj8BE
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    The Crucifixion of Christ was a Human Sacrifice. The Roman Catholic Mass is a Symbolic Ritual Human Sacrifice. I am a bit conflicted regarding the Mass. I like listening to the Latin Mass - but I have huge problems with the symbolism. Merry Christmas = Merry Sacrifice of Christ? Or even Mary's Sacrifice of Christ? With Human Sacrifice being featured so prominently - what is the nature of the deity which the sacrifice is intended to appease?

    Brook wrote:
    ODM, that picture of the owl at Bohemian Grove gives me the willies! And it's another ritual event in question here.

    orthodoxymoron wrote:
    Something to think about:

    1. Temples (Pyramids, Synagogues, Mosques, Churches, Cathedrals, Capitol Buildings)
    2. Rituals (Sacred and Satanic - including Masses)
    3. Sacrifices (Including Human)
    4. Sun (Sirius)
    5. Reptiles (Various Varieties)
    6. Advanced Technology
    7. Genetic Hybridization
    8. Worship and Submission
    9. Enslavement
    10. Hegelian Dialectic
    11. Conquest
    12. Rebellion
    13. Revenge
    14. Corruption and Blackmail
    15. Archangels, Angels, and Demons
    16. Interdimensional Reptilians Inhabiting Humans and Hybrids
    17. Astrological and Mythological Theology
    18. Extermination (Body and/or Soul)
    19. Machiavelli - "The Prince"
    20. Rule by Secrecy and Deception - with Heavy Taxation

    Are we primarily dealing with an Ancient and Ongoing Human vs Hybrid ("V's") Civil War? Do the Hybrids have the upper hand - even though they remain mostly hidden? Are they preparing to take over Earth completely - rather than simply ruling from the shadows? Will most of us be driven off-world, exterminated, or enslaved? BTW - no inside information - so don't pack your bags just yet. I just finished rewatching the 2009-10 'V' series on DVD. The show resumes on January 4. It could conceivably contain bits and pieces of truth - just like the original series - the Stargate movies and the Stargate SG-1 series. The horror.

    orthodoxymoron wrote:
    If reincarnation is a reality - I am very afraid regarding what I might have done, or who I might have been, historically.

    instigator wrote:
    Reincarnation is reality, thats what this journey is all about, breaking free from past mistakes that we continue to repeat in future incarnations, we all have killed and been killed before, if you cant handle knowing the dark past of one self then you will have to deal with it on another level ....... and personally i would rather deal with it here than elsewhere. How many times must one put their hand in boiling hot water before they realize it will burn them? 2,3,34 ? or will the memory be etched in your mind? If you are already feeling you have failed or been negative in the past and feel like you will suffer once this cycle closes then you will get what you wish for, where your thoughts are is where your focus is, therefore what you wish for. Namaste'

    orthodoxymoron responded:
    I sense a bit of condescension in your response, Instigator. If I didn't give a rats @$$ about possible past misdeeds - things might work out better for me when I transition from this life into the great whatever? I thought ethical sensitivity was a good thing. Shouldn't sorrow over past misdeeds - going back thousands of years - be a necessary part of avoiding future ethical lapses? I wish to participate in a perfected humanity living in a perfected solar system - with no murder, mayhem, or war. Will I get that which I wish for? I certainly hope so.

    Your last two posts are awesome enemyofNWO! This infowar can be very subtle and tricky. Perceptions and loyalties can be fickle and fleeting. Words can mean different things to different people. Everyone is corruptible. Everyone has their price. Today's whistleblower can be tomorrow's disinfo-agent. Today's Luke Skywalker can become tomorrow's Darth Vader.

    I just realized that Brook and Lionhawk have not been posting. Then I went back in this thread, and found out why. I am very sorry to learn of this recent development. I love the content in Avalon 1 and Mists of Avalon - but I am very frustrated by the small numbers of participants, and with all of the frustration exhibited by many of the participants (including me). I've seen 'em come 'n go - and I've only been at this for a couple of years. I've really settled on just making one of my threads into sort of a home, and not really worrying about what anyone thinks, or being too troubled by the lack of posting on this thread. I actually feel closest to those who might be tasked with watching potential trouble-makers, such as myself. They probably get paid to watch us, so they are sort of a captive audience! I don't talk about any of this esoteric stuff with friends and co-workers. This site and YouTube is pretty much it for me - and I intend to keep it that way. At this point, I'm treating all of this as self-flaggelating entertainment! It makes me miserable in a pleasurable sort of way! I'm one sick puppy! Brook and Lionhawk, I hope you reconsider. I haven't wished to get too deeply into the Egyptian esoterica, because I don't think I'm really prepared for that, at this point. But I do look at the material from time to time - and I will look at it more closely in the future. I deeply appreciated your help, Brook, on the 'Amen Ra' thread in Avalon 1. It's really YOUR thread. I appreciated your experiencer perspective, Lionhawk. I have seldom encountered a writer with such force and power (in a good way). My journey is not proceeding as I had hoped, and it is obvious that others are not completely happy with their semi-public journey. I think this whole thing could be a lot more productive and enjoyable. But perhaps I should simply be thankful that this sort of site exists at all. The future might be a lot more restrictive and censored. I'm trying to be prepared for just about anything. I really don't know which way to jump, or which way things are going to go in this neck of the woods...
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    This post is a continuation of the last post, consisting of posts (most of them mine) from the 'Red Pill' threads by Brook.

    I recently was thinking about the Queen of England, the Pope of Rome, and the God of This World. They're a pretty exclusive trio - with extreme power - aren't they? They don't get elected by the general public, do they? Should they? I really don't know. I'm really conflicted about this sort of thing. How does a civilization make sure that they have the very best individuals in those roles? I've been trying to combine the best aspects of theocracy and democracy - and the best of the royal and servant models of leadership and authority. The whole damn thing is a slippery-slope. I've had a lot to say regarding a hypothetical Queen of Heaven ruling Earth as the Goddess of This World. I've imagined having conversations and debates with such a being - and I have really mixed-feelings about the whole thing. Extreme intelligence, economy of words, elegance, straight-forwardness, and beauty - might all be on the plus side. But harshness, cruelty, causing atrocities, committing mass-murder, corruption, deception, treachery, moral-ambiguity, and demonic-possession - might be on the negative side. But I don't know the true state of affairs. They might be human. They might be reptilian. They might be hybrid. They might be male. They might be female. They might be hermaphroditic. They might have a wardrobe of bodies. They might be able to shapeshift into any form and anyone they choose. Could a being be a God or Goddess of This World for any length of time - without becoming corrupt and insane? Are the Pope of Rome and the Queen of England - really the modern-day equivalents of the King and Queen of Egypt - serving the Hidden God Amen Ra? Are all three ruling in place of Christ? I have speculated quite a bit about this in the past. I am concerned about this, because these three seem to have control over pretty much the whole world. Is this power legitimate or illegitimate? Is this power being used benevolently and wisely? Are they doing that which is in everyone's best interest? Could the throne of this world have been stolen in antiquity? Could this hypothetical theft be ongoing? Did someone steal fire from the gods? I really and truly don't know - but I am becoming increasingly suspicious. What effect would a Michael/Horus/Jesus administered Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System have on these three? What would Michael/Horus/Jesus say? Somebody please talk to me about this. Please think long and hard about these three jobs. They don't give out job-applications - do they? This is VERY tricky territory - to say the least. I deeply appreciate the Divine Feminine as an integral part of the Divinity Within Humanity - but I am deeply suspicious of a hypothetical Reptilian/Human Hybrid, Hermaphrodite Queen of Heaven / God of This World - being at the core of monotheism - ruling a Controlled Patriarchy - and presiding over a Subjugation of Women - to control and enslave the human race - complete with the 'Chastenings of the Lord' in the form of wars, persecutions, tortures, the Crusades, the Inquisition, terorist events, etc, etc. Who REALLY controls the Monarcy and the Papacy?

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    One more time: I keep thinking of reincarnating archangels, in the form of Isis and Horus, or Lucifer and Michael. I keep thinking of Gabriel looking on in disgust and condemnation - ready to end the madness with terrible finality - and not without some justification. I hate to spout off speculation - and not know what I'm talking about - but I really do want to know. I keep thinking that the human race is about to receive a great, big "GAME OVER". I recently watched a very interesting episode of 'Dr. Who' titled 'Frontier in Space' from the mid-70's. I keep thinking of the Doctor as being sort of a Michael-figure - and the Madame President as being sort of a Lucifer-figure. I'm not sure exactly why. I just started reading 'The Secret Plot to Make Ted Kennedy President' by Geoff Shepard - and 'Taking on the System' by Markos Moulitsas Zuniga. I am continuing reading 'The Jesuits', 'The Keys of This Blood', and 'Windswept House' by Malachi Martin. That ought to keep me out of trouble - for a while. I have kept thinking of Lucifer as being the Mary-figure - secretly running the Roman Catholic Church. Of course, this has been speculation, but when one keeps getting lied-to, what are they supposed to do? On the other hand, Gabriel might be most closely represented by the Madame President in the above-linked 'Dr. Who' episode - and as being the Mary-figure running the church (and not necessarily the pure Mother of Christ). I get the picture of Lucifer being a behind the scenes adventurer, wheeler-dealer - who is very smart, smooth, and brave - but who can be very temperamental, sinister, and violent. I see Michael as being very good and refined - but not being BadAss like Gabriel and Lucifer. I continue to see three archangels in conflict with each other. I could be very, very wrong. Every time I post something - I feel torn-up inside - and again, I neglect important things on the home-front - and I pay a very high price for this. Could Gabriel and Lucifer really be two sides of the same coin? We? Might Michael be a prisoner/hostage of Gabriel/Lucifer? Original Hostage Michael? Front Man Michael? Gabriel/Lucifer in place of Michael/Christ - or Anti-Christ? The Roman Catholic Church might've had to deal with more problems than we can possibly imagine. Who Really ordered that Christians (including women and children) be eaten by lions in the Colliseum? Who really ordered the Crusades and Inquistion? Who really ordered the wars and terrorist events of at least the last 2,000 years? Who really ordered the Kennedy Assassinations? Who really ordered 9/11? Might they all have been ordered by the same being or beings? Think about THAT!!

    1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z7O7UZxipM
    2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3A6_blpqpU
    3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX0PHt1HDQI
    4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeGhFrC9o6c

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    Once again, I deal in possibilities and probabilities. I am a possibility thinker - but I am both a positive and a negative thinker. I'm rapidly turning this solar system into one big set for my own semi-private science fiction show. But I'm finding a lot of supporting evidence for a lot of the possibilities. Sometimes we have to 'believe' it before we can 'see' it. I've been watching 'V' and I like it a lot - but 'V' really just helps me to use my imagination. I seem to be fixated upon the Queen of Heaven - in positive and negative ways. Was/is she Amen Ra's boss - or is she ALL of the gods and goddesses - including Lucifer, Gabriel, Michael, Hathor, Isis, Mary, the Prince of This World, the God of This World - and Amen Ra? I'm trying to utilize Occam's Razor to cut the crap - and I'm trying to eliminate Hegel and Machiavelli. But I really do like Sun Tzu. I wish to win without fighting. Watch this lecture by Robert Morningsky. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxFzH3goUsc&NR=1 Listen especially to what he says about Amen Ra's boss. It fits with what I have been speculating about for a couple of years now. Ra might be the One and Only God of This World - but there seems to be a Reptilian Queen of Heaven - who seems to wear the pants in this Solar System. Who is Ra - really? Who is Lucifer - really? Who is Jesus - really? Who is Mary - really? Who is Kali - really? Ra Ka Pharaoh = Rockefeller? Ra's Shield = Rothschild? Ra's Legion = Religion? Old and New Test(Amen)ts? Think, think, think. Can the Queen inhabit dozens of various bodies - century after century - male and female? Could her soul be similar or even identical to our souls? Did Humans start the hostilities - or was it the other way around? I'm surprisingly neutral regarding all of this. I feel like the interviewer in the clip. Perhaps someday I will be involved in such an interview. I don't know why I said that.  Check this out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMVKc5aw14g&feature=related Consider the possibility of a Vengeful Reptilian Queen of Heaven - Ruling Humanity by Secrecy - Via a Controlled Patriarchy, and a Subjugation of Women. Pretty subtle and clever. A wise and deadly serpent?
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    Who has owned this solar system - going back thousands, millions, and billions of years? Who owns the solar system presently? Who should rightfully own this solar system presently? Who has been the God of This Solar System - going back thousands, millions, and billions of years? Who is the God of This Solar System presently? Who should rightfully be the God of This Solar System presently? How does the Monarchy and the Papacy relate to all of the above? How does the Universal Church relate to all of the above? How might a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System relate to all of the above? How does the Luciferian Rebellion and the War in Heaven relate to all of the above? How does Michael/Horus/Jesus relate to all of the above? How do Gabriel and Lucifer relate to all of the above? I think all of this is a sticky and nasty mess - which really does need to be resolved in great detail - with all deliberate speed. I am very worried about my potential reincarnational part in all of this. I'm really benign and neutral in this incarnation - but who knows what I might have been involved in - throughout history - going back thousands, millions, or even billions of years? I really desire that the truth be known, and that justice be served, in a reasonable and rational manner - without cruel and unusual punishment. But I still don't know the full and accurate story - which could invalidate most of my internet posting and telephone conversations. I continue to fly blind. But Namaste anyway!
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    Brook wrote:
    Brook wrote:Now we have established the fact that DNA was of utmost importance to the Pharaohs, and the bodies of the Gods themselves are clearly not available for the world audience.
    you have here a clear wish to preserve the Genes.  

    So now we are going to discuss the role of Isis.  Isis had a "genetic' bond to the disc technology.  And was established to be at the "seat" of the "throne".   The throne being the seat of power for those who wished to "rule".  Now within the genes are codes which they wished to carry a "bloodline".  Back in Atlantis this DNA strand and code had already been established.  Because if you had "Two eyebrows" you were of that coding, as opposed to the single eyebrow of the neanderthal.  And the head of that coding, the one who carried that and brought it here to braid those codes within the human DNA was Isis.  She was in charge of and carried the Gene codes.

    Hence the term.....Genesis.  The word genesis contains the name Isis.....Genesis = genes of Isis.  

    Our word Royal (Real) is composed of Ra, the Sun God.  Plus "El" legendary founder of the first civilization,  The name Israel means Isis Royal, the royal line of Isis. Israel is a compound of Isis the mother goddess, + Ra the sun God  + El the ancient 'father' God.  The chosen ones.  

    But to be sure this was not the intention of Isis to create a 'Royal' bloodline to 'rule".  And she did not give Ptah his counterpart Osiris the chance to produce an offspring. Isis was a powerful being with serious abilities due to the genetic connection of the Discs and the technology of stabilizing DNA and setting the codes.  Whether you choose to believe it or not, world civilization were built upon her works, her teachings, and her "womb".  Daughters of Isis (the gene pool) married into the ruling families of the Pagan kingdoms all over the world.  Via those Isis queens, Mothers Goddess cultures spread from the Eastern Mediterranean over most of Africa, to Central America, Japan, Korea, China, and India as well as Russia, England, Wales, Ireland and all of Europe.  That was the Genesis of Isis.

    Isis conquered more by love than by war.  But as you have seen, the misuse of this gene manipulation and the coveting of bloodline within the ruling elite have run it's course. And the very foundations of bloodline have been used for centuries to hold the seat of power, the "throne".  



    Isis was deified as a goddess for good reason, but it had a dark side. The throne atop her head and the babe at her breast identify Isis as the founding mother of the Egyptian kingdom, Pagan religion, and the bloodline of "divine kings." Her bloodline founded Egypt and other great civilizations. Her religion was annihilated and her followers were brutally suppressed, partly because she was a woman, but mostly for the political aspiration of Ptah. The reign of the Mother Goddess challenged the warrior classes of ancient societies all over the world, but it also had a dark side.




    The patrician fathers of Rome were Pagans of the Isis bloodline which made them "descendants of the gods." Their descent from the gods gave them "divine rights" to rule. Their Isis bloodline was the source of their legitimacy as hereditary rulers. They became absolutely powerful and completely corrupt. The Roman empire ruled the world for the benefit of a few elites. Monotheists were engaged in a political power struggle to gain control of the Roman Empire. The monotheists who were not descendants of the gods, who were not "patricians" of the Isis bloodline, had no hereditary claims to political power. The monotheists had powerful motives to eliminate the Isis bloodline as the only path to political power.

    Those Roman patricians of the Isis bloodline were some of the original "highbrows." They had the high foreheads and parted eyebrows that set them as a race apart from, and above, the people they governed. They were alarmed because the Temple of Isis was spreading the Genesis of Isis to the lower classes. The patrician fathers couldn't bear the thought of commoners and slaves being of the same divine bloodline as themselves. Pagan Roman royalty had little interest in protecting the Temple of Isis from the monotheists. It served their interests to see the Temple destroyed.

    Christian Madonna Isis nursing Jesus The monotheist conquest of Rome was a long and brutal revolution. The Temple of Isis was trying to breed the masses up out of their ignorance and misery. In so doing, the goddess of love placed herself in the middle of a war in which both sides had an interest in her destruction. Before Rome fell to the monotheists, Pagan emperors paid lip service to protecting the Temple of Isis, but they did nothing. They allowed the Temple to fall to the monotheists. All that is left of Isis' Mother Goddess religion today is submerged in Christianity.

    The name Jesus contains the name Isis (J+Isis = Jesus).

    Jesus was a Pagan. The name Jesus clearly identifies Jesus as a minion of Isis. The resurrection of Jesus is clearly based on Egyptian religion and the resurrection of  Osiris/Assur. Jesus had no connection to Judaism other than shared opposition to Roman military occupation of Egypt/Syria/Palestine/Judea. His teachings of love are clearly derived from the teachings of Isis, the Goddess of Love, not from Jehovah, the jealous and wrathful God.

    Following the Deuteronomic reforms in the kingdom of Judea, (c. 620-609 BCE), militant monotheism launched a two-thousand-year campaign of destruction to annihilate all traces of the Mother Goddess. In the Bible, the womb of the Great Mother Goddess has been ripped from the genealogy of humankind and replaced by Adam's rib! The Jews rewrote their own history all the way back to their origins to cut their mother out of it. For fifteen-hundred-years in the Roman Empire, any peasant who found a Pagan artifact brought it to the village priest who chanted appropriate curses over it and destroyed it. The Goddess and her works have been grossly misrepresented and distorted in history. She has been unjustly exiled into the darkness of ignorance and "mythology." She is sadly unknown and unappreciated by us all.

    Isis was the Earth Mother Goddess. She is the ancestral mother of all people who have two eyebrows. Monotheism was able to destroy her temples and erase her legend from the living memory of humankind, but they couldn't erase her sign. Today, we are all wearing the mark of Isis in the middle of our foreheads. It is right there at the part between our eyebrows. We are all "Homo sapiens sapiens", "twice wise" children of Isis with two eyebrows. We are a World Family of Earth Mother's children. Once we recognize who and what she was, and realize who and what we are, we will be able to lay aside our family squabbles and build a World-culture civilization that leaves out no part of humanity.

    Militant Monotheism destroyed that ancient world order of Pagan kingdoms and established a world order (or world anarchy) of nation states which has resulted in a world at war without end. There was a global 'World Family' civilization in our past. There will be a global civilization of some kind in our future. Globalization is happening whether we want it or not. What kind of civilization will that be? Will we be guided by wisdom, or will we be ruled by authority? As a civilization and as a species, we must re-acquaint ourselves with the global civilization in our past in order to make wise choices about the global civilization of our future. We can create a multicultural 'World Family,' 'World Culture' civilization based on wisdom and cooperation, or else a police state monoculture based on fear and authority will be forced upon us.


    The Resurrection of Isis through reverse genetics

    Her message is love. Let world civilization begin.


    I recently was thinking about the Queen of England, the Pope of Rome, and the God of This World. They're a pretty exclusive trio - with extreme power - aren't they? They don't get elected by the general public, do they? Should they? I really don't know. I'm really conflicted about this sort of thing. How does a civilization make sure that they have the very best individuals in those roles? I've been trying to combine the best aspects of theocracy and democracy - and the best of the royal and servant models of leadership and authority.
    Lot's of your questions are answered here ODM.  If you have not read it...try doing so.  Because lot's of your answers are here. Unfortunately you are mixing sci-fi Hollywood with real life.  Which is for the most part the makings of one or two individual minds that collectively contrive stories based on real life events and twisted mythology.

    orthodoxymoron responded:
    Thank-you Brook. I recognize the limitations and distortions of Hollywood - but sometimes we need the visual-aids to help us see the various possibilities and probabilities. I am trying to move in the general direction of the truth - in some rather unconventional ways. I often use Hollywood to illustrate ideas I arrived at prior to watching a show or movie. I guess it takes all kinds - but sometimes I wonder why. BTW - what parts of my last post were erroneous? I will make the necessary corrections in future posts - but I would like to keep that last post as-is for the record. My mind is not made up. Please confuse me with the facts. I'm easily confused...

    Brook wrote:
    Using Hollywood illustrated movie clips to understand the things you are writing about is a great way to get lost in all of your inquires. While we are aware that the intent to dominate a species is prevalent in our little corner of this universe, it's certainly not so in every sector. Balance and harmony does prevail. So to ask such questions as "Who owns the universe?" set's my head spinning quite frankly. You might be better to ask who is trying to own our little world in this very vast universe. And yes, if you look to the past it's usually the "serpent" gods that intend on that task in this very small sector. but they also hide that intent. So ask yourself why that is? why do they hide their true form? I don't think the answer is in a Hollywood movie. And if it is, it's most certainly a speculation. Because if they wanted to do the V" scenario and come here and harvest us, or our water and destroy this planet it would have occurred a long time ago. Not at this very pivotal time in history. So that would suggest that they have limitations as to how far they can go eh? And that this bloodline of ours is a bit more than they can deal with. so the only way to control us would be through a frequency pattern and compression on or DNA and genetic make up. What I don't think anybody realizes yet is that we have an immense amount of power within us that is cut off. Much more than the genetic structure of the ones holding the frequency. so of course...dumb us down, and do what ever is necessary to keep that genetic structure from opening up. Unfortunately for them, there are too many of us here, and it's not going to hold. As for Robert Morningsky...just know that stories of the elders are "perceptions" from one that is giving a message. Who "is" the message giver, and what is the goal of the message after it is given. Know this, he has already revamped his story once....and made apologies for the errors...and a story can change often from person to person...elder to elder.
    Brook wrote:
    orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you Brook. I think there are an infinite number of ways to get lost in this area of research. Were there errors in my previous and rather large post? It is very difficult to pin much of anything down with ultimate finality. Thinking one knows - and knowing - are very different - which is why I mostly ask questions. This will continue - and here are some more!

    Might the following be true?

    Gabriel = Theocratic Prosecuting Attorney (Attempting to reign-in the Rebels Without a Clue on this Planet in Rebellion).

    Lucifer = Charming and Opportunistic Double-Agent (Antagonizing Both Sides - and Profiting from Both Sides).

    Michael = Freedom Fighter for Humanity (Idealistic, Refined, Compassionate, and Ethical - but Relatively Powerless Against Gabriel, Lucifer, the Demonic Realm, and an Irresponsible and Rebellious Humanity).

    This is just more speculation. Was the Human Race created from a Reptilian/Mammalian-Hybrid Hermaphrodite Race - by splitting the Male and Female components, and increasing the Mammalian component, relative to the Reptilian component? Are all of the Humanoid Souls really Interdimensional Reptilian in nature - and virtually identical? Did the Human Experiment get out of control - in the view of the Universal Powers That Be? Are Humans too emotional, unpredictable, disobedient, irreverent - and too difficult to control? Are Humans a grave threat to the Universal Church Theocracy? Has the Human Experiment in Freedom been sabotaged from the very beginning? Did Michael become Jesus when he became distinctly Human? Is Michael/Jesus really in trouble with just about everyone? Has Michael/Jesus been rejected by just about everyone? Was the Human Experiment in Freedom conceived and executed by Michael/Jesus? Is this Human Experiment in Freedom about to be Terminated and Exterminated - with Horrible Finality? Will all of our souls then reincarnate into Predominantly Reptilian Hermaphrodite Bodies - and will we all be governed by a Theocracy with no tolerance for Humanity and Freedom? Our problems may be Legion - as Sinners in the Hands of Angry Angels and Archangels. I really don't know - but this is what I fear. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9mFn9EhgU4 I am particularly interested in Archangel Gabriel, Archangel Lucifer, the Queen of England, the Pope of Rome, and the New World Order. Has Michael/Jesus essentially lived in exile for thousands of years? Would Michael/Jesus presiding over a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System combined with a Solar System Exorcism be a rational next-step for the Human Race and this Solar System? I tend to think so - but I continue to be kept in the dark. I really desire for things to work out well for everyone, everywhere - throughout the entire universe. I still don't have an enemies list - but I am becoming increasingly suspicious and paranoid. I can hardly function. I continue to long for a single day of peace. If God be for us - then who can be against us - but who is God really? Listen carefully to the last 3 or 4 minutes of this video - and study my last large post for clues. What do you think?
    The University of Solar System Studies - Page 20 Legion1
    To the part highlighted in red...tell me ODM....What do you think?............and why?...... Certainly you must have an opinion...even if you are not sure because you "think you know" as opposed to "knowing".
    Certainly you've not lost all faith in your ability to reason beyond the views of Hollywood blockbusters.....do you believe everything that Hollywood puts out is meant to bring "enlightenment"...or could it be to "sway opinions in the area of truth"?  Or better yet to "entertain".  What say you ODM to those questions.

    If everything that Hollywood puts out...could this be possible????.....
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYmbt2RVqCg  
    If that's the case.....then that would negate my post above now wouldn't it?  But here's something I'll let you in on ODM...I "know' it's true...I've got some validation.  And that would put the Hollywood version of Isis as "entertainment.  If that's the case ODM, than it just might be possible that most of the Hollywood movies are for entertainment....and not meant for anything to be taken quite so seriously.  quite frankly ODM, it leads me to take a good look at the movie "back to the future" where Doc gets things a bit scattered..but in the end he get's it right...so keep trying.  Wink
    Brook wrote:
    orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you Brook. My thinking is really a composite of everything I have researched - including Hollywood Science Fiction - plus my intuition (derived from who knows what nether-realms?). I really prefer to just ask questions - even though this wouldn't fly in a doctoral dissertation. I'm really not pulling all of this out of an anatomical black-hole. I am trying to approximate what I think might be possible and probable. I'm not writing a book or giving a college lecture. In a sense, this is a lot like seeing patterns in the clouds. Some might call this the apotalysmatic principle. I read, watch, listen, think - and then I ask questions. I realize this does not constitute sound research - but I am not representing it as such. What aspects of my previous three or four posts are erroneous? I will gladly utter 'Mea Culpa' if I'm wrong.
    Within research you have to conclude some answers.....so what are they?  and basing them on Hollywood fantasy is simply speculation in my view.  Give me some solid conclusive validations to the presumed directions of the questions....based on facts and not fantasy.

    You see, this thread is about weeding out the fantasy of not only Hollywood projections, but also fear based religious doctrine.....set up to scare the pants off of you first and foremost.  This thread is about rites and rituals placed for intended uses by the very same ones that invented these religious doctrines.  Have you actually read this thread before throwing in your conjecture?   Before you scatter these illusive intuitions....have you seen the direction of this particular thread?  The reason I ask is that your questions, be they valid to ask, have been directed in thought here more than once.  So, unless you are directing these questions to the subject matter of this thread it seems a bit pointless to perseverate.
    horus wrote:
    orthodoxymoron wrote:TO ALL YOUR CURRENT RECENT POSTS ON THIS STRING
    Over many years I have had the ability to read between the lines and I feel I should add my little bit. I don't claim to know everything or give answers, but I will tell you this, your mind is racing 100 mph, slow down my friend. What I read is like 'imformation overload' coming in from all directions, and I have a close friend who reads every book and inbetween goes to every convention covering every known conspiracy theory, these all anchor 3D shitz into the matrix, it has to be let go, as in... it's over rover, forget it all, this planet and 3D are totally finished, pull up our 3D anchor and move on, that is what I have to say. I have posts here that have never been foreclosed or finished proving what I know, what has passed today is history tomorrow. But is anything I tell going to change anything? no! I have been there, and where you are at, your are just not centered my friend, one step at a time, you will find more peace talking to your self and you are not crackers if you do that, your inner-self will listen if you still the mind.

    Its got to a point where I just let it all go, and find the love that resides within, nothing else matters, all the bull-shitz doesn't matter, even if the end of the world happens tomorrow, I have found my Creator, I don't need to know anything else. How long have we known abouh 2012, whether it is real or not, do we remain in a world bent on self-distruction and greed, and wait for the rest of the sheepies to wake up, save yourself is what now matters, find your Creator within your self and connect, he never left you for one moment. In 14 years on this path to finding my Mother-Father I have sacrificed 14 years of income. Not one single ascending master has even spoken to me, and when they have, each one has had a private agenda energy, do you call that Oneness or still fragments of Duality? Its coming from 4D, the realm of demons in between 3D and 5D were so many tarot readers get messages, a realm where these over-lords have controlled 3D through freemasonary and have no connection to Creation. The Freemason logo is a insult to me (and my father), just as the All-Seeing-Eye on the Pyramid is displayed by the Illuminati.

    I'm nothing more than a threat to their false existance as Horus and was expelling out of this part of the Cosmos like a Genie kept in a bottle floating in space, now I am back with a vengence and they all know it, and all my recalled memories. Apart from Christ-Michael, none of them come from the Light, they are all dark 3D energies. Their leader, a false god, is the only one on the playing field game enough to show his face and he is in bed with freemasonary and the very foundations of every organized religion on this planet and the New Age Cults. I affirm my words here 100%, I know who the real God is, he is within each one of us, go within and find it.

    To change the above subject for a moment, I had a dream where I was Horus and talking like an eagle to my Father Ra as Horus the Elder and we spoke the same language, we both carry the same head of a falcon signature and I will prepare a graphic. I was in another world, I call it heaven and no other entities could be seen or heard. I may be Horus deep within my heart, but it does not go to my head, only Love with a twinflame and the Oneness I desire for both of us in a place where there are birds and bees, flowers and trees (the song). I told my ego thirteen years ago to hop into the backseat, to shut up and enjoy the ride and don't say a word, I swore like the crapper, I was not going to tolerate the dickhead within that is only the darkside of ourselves but elements of Satan in each one of us and the Christ within will remove, Satan is like a Sleeper Cell in our DNA connection to the Program.

    This anglo-saxon process killed my adrenaline rush in one foul swoop and made me allergic to adrenaline. I just didn't give a hoot, about this inner-freak, it was history. How often have we walked through our lives without a sixth sence and lost a leg walking across a minefield of created debt. I am like a bloodhound when it comes to sniffing out any ego and I read it on many websites like all the false prophets. Just focus on who you really are, seek deep within yourself and all your answers will service, its a knowing, nothing else. No one will tell you what is right, or what is wrong, its just inner knowing from the silence that is within, then all the angelic energies will bath you with Loving Light that is Truth. If you are now more confused than ever now, then I can not help you like millions of others who will not listen. If you met me 14 years ago, I was just like you, I was scattered all over the place and it took others to see it, like I see you now.

    As I said, and to changing the subject, this was a very interesting angle to many things that have surfaced in the last few weeks, so watch this video. I felt a lot of heart-chest energies of truth and resisting any ego impulse, and to the wanna-be person attacking me and also some of my friends in my dreams matched, to plagiarizing me and who is very jealous of my status, and to me having a beautiful twinflame who stands with me and at the left side of my two Mother's  Sekhmet and Isis.

    Some people will not tell me they have been visited by this false god who has spooked them, and I will include my twin because of my own safety, and I know everything from 17 months ago is now revealing itself to what I now know, we have a false god in this realm who over this part of the cosmos and we are his pawns on a checkerboard, its all a game play, some lose and some win, and the winners are sinners.

    I work with protocols from movies that ALWAYS have a LOOP. Writing a dream down, you will find that loop to get your answer, and think laterally. It's a skill that has taken me many years, sometimes I can interprete someone else dream, but not always, because it is your dream and it will repeat over and over until you understand it! For so many, it would take a lifetime to figure out these riddles.

    What are your thoughts with this video Brooke?



    Video found here with editorial http://www.blogster.com/revkenny/jesus-christ-and-the-bible-complete-fiction
    Thank-you Brook and Horus for your wise words and counsel. Horus, I especially liked this part of what you said, "I may be Horus deep within my heart, but it does not go to my head, only Love with a twinflame and the Oneness I desire for both of us in a place where there are birds and bees, flowers and trees (the song). I told my ego thirteen years ago to hop into the backseat, to shut up and enjoy the ride and don't say a word, I swore like the crapper, I was not going to tolerate the dickhead within that is only the darkside of ourselves but elements of Satan in each one of us and the Christ within will remove, Satan is like a Sleeper Cell in our DNA connection to the Program." That was priceless.

    I would appreciate it if someone could specifically point out where I have gotten it wrong - in any of my posts or threads on Avalon 1 or Mists of Avalon. I tell my ego to go to hell. I go within - and listen to my higher-self. Then I post on the internet. But it's never good enough for those who are filled with love and light. Back to the drawing-board I go - chastened, contrite, yielded, and still. I won't trouble you further.
    Brook wrote:
    orthodoxymoron wrote:
    I would appreciate it if someone could specifically point out where I have gotten it wrong - in any of my posts or threads on Avalon 1 or Mists of Avalon.
    lets start right here ODM......

    Who has owned this solar system - going back thousands, millions, and billions of years? Who owns the solar system presently?  

    No one "owns" the solar system..it simply IS......now that would be an assumption.....and where does it come from?  You tell me.  Because it has to have a foundation and basis to assume there is an "owner".  If you are presuming "GOD"...well it's pretty self evident that we are all a spark of God...so that would make us all owners in your terms.  But if you turn it into a more realistic view...we simply "are" and so it God, and so it the universe.  Do you actually believe there is a property line at the edge of the universe that says..stay out..no soliciting....warning dog on the premises?

    And for "those who are filled with love and light"....well think again....no one has ALL the answers.  But I will state for the record..this thread was created as a past life recall.....and to swallow the red PILL to understand some things I've come to realize.

    Which reminds me...I found another "room" recently filled with wooden boxes and boxes of my stuff filling the room.  
    Winklittle "tools" for "viewing" and deciphering.   and a basked with papyrus writings.  important writings it seems.  Just have to figure it all out when I get time.   The University of Solar System Studies - Page 20 360865
    Brook wrote:
    orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you Brook. You obviously have a HUGE amount of knowledge and experience - and I respect that. I can't swallow the red-pill whole, so I have to take it a little-bit at a time. Your find sounds incredible. What would Zahi Hawass say? But, on the other hand, an Egyptologist (a real cutie!) once warned me about Zahi. My question regarding solar system ownership had more to do with solar system governance than with real estate. Thank-you for your insights. Namaste Brook.

    Beware of the Dracs Beyond the Van Allen Belt! Stay Out of Space! That Journey to the Moon Might Turn Ugly!
    I'll go along with that!   The University of Solar System Studies - Page 20 83084

    And I might as well add...I "viewed" a vault about a year ago that is locked up tighter than a drum..and filled with things that would be very telling..and they definitely do not want us to see any of it.  
    Lionhawk wrote:There's an Orion faction that thinks they own this system ODM. A queen bitchy reptilian. Or Draconian I should say. She has ruled for eons. She and her minions have exploited this solar system for it's gold and other precious metals. Especially here on this Planet. That also includes human type slaves and children.

    What is unique, is that this Planet has an abundance of all the resources they need. It's like their 7-11, a one stop shopping center for all their needs. Now on the other Planets, the human types there were forced to go underground to escape these Draconian pillages. In order to survive. It wasn't till 2005 when this status changed. A war was fought obviously to turn this around. This war that took place is not known of from what one may consider to be normal channels, such as the Galactic Federation and various channellings. Simply because it was a faction that spontaneously put this battle in motion. The real Galactic Federation did witness the war that occurred however. The Angelic Kingdom was also involved. They rescued many who had been imprisoned on other Planets that were ruled by a league of civilizations that were connected to this Draconian Bitch. The supply lines to this empire that were connected to this solar system were disrupted and cut off. At least for a few short months after Dec. 2005. We knew that they would try to patch their damaged lines back up in the following months. If anyone remembers, it was real quiet for the first 6 months of 2006.

    At the same time as I am writing this, I amazed that an all out Solar system war has not broken out since then. This is also another probability that is not often mentioned in these latter days. If this was to occur, do you think we would finally wake up as a human family?

    Their message has been very clear for the last ten years. "If we can't have our way with this Planet, we will destroy it!" ODM, this is a very serious statement. Maybe what you don't realize is that these critters will not negotiate for the freedom of this solar system or anything else they seem to think they have claimed ownership to. So anything that has been proposed, in light of your Constitution, has already been attempted. That is why you find yourself spinning your wheels in your efforts. But at the same time I do appreciate what you have brought to the table as far as your take on a peaceful resolution. So don't think what you have offered has been a waste of time. You are anchoring those energies to the Planet. If you didn't do that, the possibility of a peaceful resolution would not be possible in the light that you have presented it. Meaning in the way with all of your angles, whether they make sense or not. You anchor an open door to a resolution of some sort. Now if you could incorporate a 5D perspective to it, you might fair much better.

    As I see it, it is a balance problem. Probabilities vs. Reality. Anything that is out of balance with that will cause you to spin your wheels. The truth of the reality is there but you have to find ways that will balance out that reality with new probabilities. Talk about a a real challenge. Sounds impossible, but if you have a little crazy in ya, you will always have a shot at it. I told you a long while ago that I would be able to watch you go through this process of spinning your wheels. You should try to solve one equation at a time instead of trying to solve all of them at once. Tackle the small ones that have a greater chance of success. It is a choice. Spinning Your Wheels or Achieving Results. You will always mirror either the lack or abundance of those said results. You want to be effective, then you will have to try something a little more different, with some "crazy juice" to change your perspective on things. Your new results will do that change for you.

    I also hear of various experts on certain civilizations who searched for a track of direction to figure something out. But what I have noticed is that all of them come up short due to the pieces that are still missing from these puzzles.

    During one of our research projects, we came across an Egyptian artifact that look very bizarre. It turned out to be a wave guide for a frequency apparatus of some kind. If I didn't have a small back ground in Electronics, I wouldn't have no idea what it could be. But then again, the other pieces were missing and we never resolved what it was actually used for.

    So after 700,000 years of war, referred to as the Orion War, everything was scattered about. There was no winner in that war. It would seem that every civilization was pushed into survival mode and that included the Draconians. Rebuilding took place everywhere that could sustain life. Then here comes Zeus, who decided to take on this Draconian Queen and we see in our Solar system what became of that attempt. Now here is a question. What if someone on this Planet decided to propose war on this Draconian queen? Would she have us blown to pieces as in Planetary? Granted, Zeus didn't declare war on her, but it was her who decided to take Zeus out. It makes no difference at this point as we have planetary proof of what became of that situation. Everyone who was involved at the time, scattered to the other Planetary bodies in this system and hid. It would also make sense that she would hijack this system with various methods all linked to controlling the minds of all living forms of every Kingdom. Just so no one else would rise up and challenge her so called claims to ownership. Compress the DNA across the whole board. Compromise the consciousness from the point of any birth on all Kingdoms in this system. Now I may have a few facts wrong as to who done what and when, but in general, the final result is enslavement. Right in everyone's face.

    Another point I would like to make, that many of the civilization that have left evidence here, are now gone. Where did they go? Did they just come here to set up a supply line for resources and then left?

    All I know is that what was intended for this Planet, has been blatantly altered. For purposes of control. Add your spells, white or black, obsessions of all types, including research work, which can lead you to nowhere in the land of the second hand, substances that alter your state of being, and behaviors that are obsessive, just note they have you your soul in the palm of their claws. We are being controlled on every level. It isn't a question anymore. If you question it, then you just woke up.

    I just hope this Galactic wave gets here like yesterday.  
      Heh heh
    orthodoxymoron responded:
    Thank-you Lionhawk. What you said has the ring of truth - but I obviously can't confirm or refute it. However, this does support my feeling that the truth is not pleasant - and that things might have to continue their downward slide - before the human race gets any sort of traction. I guess I'm sort of a 'John the Baptist' as a voice crying in the wilderness, "prepare ye the way of the Lord". I keep hoping that the right individuals (human and otherwise) who are well placed and well heeled - will be able to lay some groundwork for the principles and concepts of a lot of what I have been contemplating. I'm just an ignorant and miserable bastard - thrashing around in the dark - trying to avert a hideous catastrophy. Mea Culpa. With your permission, I'd like to use what you wrote above - on my 'home thread' - with proper credit given. I continue to worry about my reincarnational part in this madness. I'm getting some ideas and clues - and it is scaring and disillusioning the hell out of me. There really seems to be no way out of this snake-pit. Sorry reptilians. Don't take that personally. It was merely a figure of speech.
    Beren wrote:Ortho, just let go. Let all go, thank it for the chance for experience in your life, for chance that you CAN show your true self ,chance that you can show that you are of God and are of Love.

    Bless them all and let them go.And behold the peace and Love in your life and being and soul.
    Lionhawk wrote:I agree with you also ODM. I can only hope we are being guided in the right direction to the paradise that was intended for this Planet to begin with.

    What is also not mentioned most of the time, is the Creator's blessings in all of this. There is so much fear being propagated right now to make anyone's head spin. Just don't buy into the fear, period! People are freaking out over CMEs, quakes, and the rest of it. Yet we are still here and the ones that are no longer, made those arrangements in their soul growth contracts. So why worry when it is all covered anyway?

    But I will say this....I still have trust issues with these Draconians. According to Sheldon Nidle, they have been offered a new light body and have basically turned to the light. I wish I could see the documentation and implementation of that.

    Maldek is the asteroid belt. The Wing Makers say the inhabitants destroyed their own world. I don't think so and I consider that dis info. I have done several scans on the asteroid belt and got back a few pings. Meaning that there is life on some of these asteroids.

    Do as you wish with my blessings.

    Beren is right as usual! ☀But it never hurts to be prepared and that means having a plan B.
    orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you Beren and Lionhawk. I can't and won't let it go. I'm just getting warmed-up. I'm not anywhere close to where I want to end up. My posting is a means to an end. Also, my target audience is probably 3D. I've been told not to be so heavenly minded, that I end up being of no earthly good. I can probably do the 5D thing quite well - but the 5D types should already know what's what - and nobody really seems to wish to talk to me - regardless of how slow or fast they are vibrating. I think there are a lot of people who think they are 5D Wonders - but they're probably mostly around 2D. They don't impress me much. I don't have a knee-jerk reacton against scales and tails. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if the human race has reptilian roots - and even some sort of connection with them presently. I really don't know. What really bothers me is the BS throughout history. There might be some positives regarding a Reptilian Queen of Heaven - but this solar system seems to be rotten to the core - going way back in history. There are many aspects of the Royal Goddess Model which should probably be emulated - and there are other aspects which should probably be vigorously resisted. Who knows what I might have been in some of my ancient incarnations? I might be horrified. I'm just going to keep doing what I'm doing - and try to remain objective and neutral. I'll mostly keep asking questions - even if I think I know the answers. I'm mostly trying to help others think in unconventional ways. I just listened to the Jordan Maxwell / Project Camelot Interview again - and Jordan said that humanity almost always chooses tyranny. We say we want freedom - but I doubt it. Jordan thinks humanity is doomed to experience a nasty New World Order - because they're stupid. I call it 'The Corrupt Ruling the Stupid'. Humanity seems to need to be tricked and herded like cattle. "What is one to do - when to rule men, it is necessary to deceive them?" I wonder who REALLY said that! I think I know! We've made it WAY too easy for the 'Devil'. What would happen to the 'regressives' if they really did destroy humanity? What would be their fate? What would be the soul-fate of humanity? I continue to call for 'regressives' of all races to embrace the concept of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom - in their own time - and in their own way. I still don't have an enemies list - but I am becoming increasingly annoyed and impatient. Kumbaya is fading fast. The Sonata on the 94th Psalm by Julius Reubke is getting louder. Should I start exclaiming 'Let Him That is Righteous - Be Righteous Still - and Him That is Filthy Be Filthy Still!!' - and call for the end of sin and sinners? I don't like that sort of thing - but I'm not a happy camper these days. I'm wondering if we're ALL part of the "Orion Group" - especially at the soul-level - and that we just have different leaders, philosophies, and bodies. I'm still VERY interested in Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer - and I'll keep asking questions about them. I tend to think this is a very sad story. I'm nuts right now - but when I REALLY learn the truth - it will probably push me completely over the edge. I will continue on this journey - but I don't think it's going to be a fun one. I'm quite numb already. My response-ablility is at an all-time low...
    Beren wrote:Then I bless you on your path Ortho.
    May you find your peace ,love and unity with Father.
    orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you Beren. I just want truth and justice - regardless of the perks - or lack thereof. I'd like to think I'm on good terms with Jesus - who said, "If you've seen me, you've seen the Father" - and "I and my Father are one". I reverence the Creator God of the Universe - but I continue to have issues with the God of This World. I would, however, like to keep the lines of communication open with both of them. There are just so many unknowns in all of this. I don't wish to be a Rebel Without a Clue - just a Responsible Freedom Fighter. Namaste.
    orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you, Brook and Lionhawk, for your in-depth contributions to this site. I'd like to meet you someday - or perhaps I already have. Who knows? I will spend more time on this thread, and the 'Amen Ra' thread on AV1. I've felt a bit of a mental-block regarding getting too deeply into the Egyptian material - perhaps because of possible reincarnational involvement in ancient Egypt. I wish you both only the best - and I hope to see both of you posting again soon. My mind is not made-up regarding a lot of things - and I welcome all perspectives - especially from those who really know what they're talking about - like you two - Brook and Lionhawk. Namaste.
    orthodoxymoron wrote:
    WHAT PART OFلقد كانت انطلاقة جيدة ولكن الوقت هو في متناول اليد ويجب أن يأخذ إجازة بلدي. ابحث في روحك لأبواب السماء DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?
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    Brook wrote:Yeah!  What's not to understand?  hahahahaaaaa

    Okay then revival seems to be the theme here...as I have some new and important information to share.  You know that language I was imparting was not quite exact, as that language I was picking up was very old, and what I discovered was a "root" to the words, which led to the Arabic version I guess you'd call it.  But that being said, eventually I'll figure it out.  There have been so many other things to pay attention to that I simply have not had the time to decipher it yet.  

    Okay then remember the energy stream?  Where it had two sources....one was the duplicate discs, the other a transmission outside.  Well, I was just led to this information recently and would like to bring it here....it seem very relevant to this information.

    So I ran into a thread where someone was working on the Bosnian Pyramids who was posting on the David Icke forum.  And I came upon some pictures I not only found interesting but information I was not aware of until just recently.

    First lets talk about the "frequency" discovered there.  Emitted not from the pyramid itself but from an outside source.   Have a listen to these two videos and I'll return.  Be sure to listen to everything this man has to say about the construction too.  The "ceramic" construction.  And Mercurial...this should peak your interest as well....
    Wink





    Enjoy...I'll be back  Very Happy
    orthodoxymoron wrote:Has anyone read any Ralph Ellis books, such as 'Jesus: Last of the Pharaohs'? How about any of Gerald Massey's books, such as 'The Historical Jesus and the Mythical Christ'? Both authors focus upon the intersection of Biblical Studies and Egyptology. Does anyone have any thoughts regarding Biblical Egyptology? What about Michael / Horus / Mithras / Jesus / ??? as being a reincarnating archangel, or even a reptilian queen on a soul-level? Am I getting warm, or am I just cracking-up?
    orthodoxymoron wrote:In the biblical record, Adam lived to the ripe, old age of 939 earth years, but in a very short time period, people were lucky to make it to 100. What the hell happened? That can't possibly be blamed on 'The Fall' can it? Then, 'God' was sorry that 'he' created 'man', and committed genocide, nearly wiping-out the entire human race. In Babylon, 'God' seemed to forbid a One World Government and the Unification of Humanity. I am not a slave to the biblical scrolls, but I do think they contain important clues. Has anyone read any Ralph Ellis books, such as 'Jesus: Last of the Pharaohs'? How about any of Gerald Massey's books, such as 'The Historical Jesus and the Mythical Christ'? Both authors focus upon the intersection of Biblical Studies and Egyptology. Does anyone have any thoughts regarding Biblical Egyptology? What about Michael / Horus / Mithras / Jesus / ??? as being a reincarnating archangel, or even a reptilian queen on a soul-level? Perhaps a forbidden genetic hybridization program resulted in an undesirable and threatening product of conception, namely the human race. I am interested in idealistic government and religion, and even the constructive combining of the two, but I'm not seeing much of a solid historical foundation for this sort of thing. Is the human race predestined to defeat, by divine design? Am I getting warm, or am I just cracking-up?
    orthodoxymoron wrote:Take a look at this documentary on the Dead Sea Scrolls. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzLfZgzuN-s Here is an interesting lecture. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92hyhBXLaWE I continue to experience a profound and devastating crisis of faith, but I also continue to believe that biblical and theological studies are foundational for bigger and better things. Don't just write-off the Bible and Religion, and avoid the whole subject. As unpleasant as it might be, I think we need to properly deal with this. It's really hard to master calculus, without learning algebra and trigonometry. I've been trying to keep one foot in the Old Age and the other foot in the New Age, and I'm doing the splits. The antediluvian world was supposedly surrounded by some sort of a mist, which did not exist post-deluge. Is there any evidence of such a mist, and what it might've consisted of? The chem-trails (laced with radioactive materials?), Fukushima (deliberately inflicted?), and weather modification (courtesy of HAARP?) might be designed to produce conditions conducive to certain life-forms. Is this possible? Some speak of the 'veil being lifted'. What are they referring to? Are we going to be dealing with zombies, giants, and plf's? How might orgone affect humans and other than humans, physically and on a soul-level? I'm feeling a tremendous sense of dread. Perhaps I should make my shallow underground civilian base a bit deeper. Can you dig it? In the biblical record, Adam lived to the ripe, old age of 939 earth years, but in a very short time period, people were lucky to make it to 100. What the hell happened? That can't possibly be blamed on 'The Fall' can it? Then, 'God' was sorry that 'he' created 'man', and committed genocide, nearly wiping-out the entire human race. In Babylon, 'God' seemed to forbid a One World Government and the Unification of Humanity. I am not a slave to the biblical scrolls, but I do think they contain important clues. Has anyone read any Ralph Ellis books, such as 'Jesus: Last of the Pharaohs'? How about any of Gerald Massey's books, such as 'The Historical Jesus and the Mythical Christ'? Both authors focus upon the intersection of Biblical Studies and Egyptology. Does anyone have any thoughts regarding Biblical Egyptology? What about Michael / Horus / Mithras / Jesus / ??? as being a reincarnating archangel, or even a reptilian queen on a soul-level? Perhaps a forbidden genetic hybridization program resulted in an undesirable and threatening product of conception, namely the human race. I am interested in idealistic government and religion, and even the constructive combining of the two, but I'm not seeing much of a solid historical foundation for this sort of thing. Is the human race predestined to defeat, by divine design? Am I getting warm (due to increased levels of radioactivity?), or am I just cracking-up? Sometimes I feel like a potted-plant. What would Brendan Sullivan say? Anyway, has anyone read or re-read 'Megatrends' or 'Future Shock' lately, to see how things have played-out in relation to the forecasts and projections? Should I be reading Daniel and the Revelation in the Holy Bible, for the real-deal about the future? Should I try to change the future, or is it pretty-much already determined? Have the gods and goddesses made up their minds what they're going to do with us, or to us? Or, has the Creator God of the Universe decided what to do with the gods and goddesses - and with us? Is the ball in our court, or not? I guess I'm seeking a productive partnership of the Human and the Divine, whatever that really means. Where does the BS stop, and the truth begin? Which Heins 57 varieties of religion and philosophy do we embrace? How shall we then live? Should we just eat, drink, and be merry, as we prepare to die? Should I rent a Ferrari, and do my version of 'On the Beach'? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upg2eqNbF3w&feature=related


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    Please notice that I expose and embrace -- simultaneously. My bias is that this solar system is a corruption or an ancient idealistic plan. I don't think like I was brought up to think. I suspect that even the church of my youth was (and is) a corrupted form of an idealistic plan. I'm certainly not in bed with the current PTB. I am NOT an insider. Not in this particular incarnation, anyway. I have no idea who I might be on a soul-basis -- or what reprehensible things I might've done in previous incarnations. I might be shocked -- in good and bad ways. Consider this interesting video!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmeyQDL1Vd0 Once again, I'd like to think that I could discuss this sort of thing in the City-States without becoming angry and unruly. Are we Barbarians?? Are we Reptilians?? Are we (never mind). This post is a continuation of the previous two posts, which consist of mostly my posts from the 'Red Pill' threads by Brook.
    orthodoxymoron wrote:I talked with Carol Rosin about nuclear war, and I talked with Timothy Leary about Jesus, but I've never taken Lysergic Acid Diethylamide. How can one properly deal with all of the alternative and controversial stuff without turning into a nut? On the other hand, how can one become heavily involved in religion without turning into a nut? Perhaps the Backslidden Anglican Agnostics have had it right all along. BTW, I just ended my U.S.S.S. thread, and I will be spending my time looking at everyone else's threads. Tell me, Egyptologists, what is the relationship between Egypt, Persia, Rome, the Old World Order, the New World Order, the Knights Templar, and Teutonic Zionism? I see some basic patterns emerging, and it is quite startling to me. It frankly scares me. I recently said that I would like to meet with Nazi and Jesuit Egyptologists on the Darkside of the Moon, with the Queen of Heaven and God of This World present, and discuss the REAL history of the solar system. I'm becoming increasingly Egypt-Centered, but I can't really get into all of the material on this thread, perhaps because of reincarnational issues. I'm primarily interested in Biblical Egyptology, particularly Christocentric Egyptology and Science Fiction! Are we dealing with Egypt v Rome in antiquity, and possibly presently (in a hidden sense)? Are there good Masons who know about all of the above who are at odds with evil Masons? I don't mind learning about forbidden archaeology, esoteric theology, and hidden history, but I'm not into creepy rituals, human sacrifices, terrorism, assassinations, starting wars and profitting from them, planning exterminations, rigging the stock market, selling illegal drugs, corrupting elections, etc, etc. Do you see what I mean? I was recently invited to become a Mason, but I declined because of all of the creepy things that I've heard about. But I really do think that the higher level Masons know a helluva lot. You'd almost have to hang out with reformed bad-guys to really find out what's what. That's one reason why I don't shut my ears to those who are accused of being connected with the Masons, the Jesuits, or some secret society. But really, I don't want to get too close to this stuff, for fear of being sucked into the dark-side, if you know what I mean...

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    orthodoxymoron wrote:OK, I'm going to bite the bullet, and read through the 'Amen Ra' thread on Avalon 1, and both parts of this thread. Plus, I will continue to read my Egyptology books, and view various videos and documentaries, including those expressing the Black Perspective on Kemet and Ethiopia. I might think about the Dogon Tribe and the work of Dr. Robert Temple. I thought that I should spend a significant period of time on solar system governance, which I have done, but I just got bucked off of that dead horse, probably because I whipped it to death. BTW, I will try to include the Annunaki in my thinking about all of the above. I will also try to view all of this from the perspective of Michael / Horus / Jesus. I'm still waiting for that briefing or eyes-only document, revealing the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, in a month or less, or in a thousand pages or less. This is enough to drive a dude to ludes. I'm a loon as it is. Can you imagine what I'd be like if I really did take LSD and Quaaludes, or if I maxed-out on mushrooms, hung-out in sweat-lodges, and channeled Aton?? I should stop...
    orthodoxymoron wrote:Once again, I wish to make a deep study of this thread and the old Avalon 'Amen Ra' thread, but I keep having a mental block. Brook (or anyone for that matter) do you think that Osiris, Isis, Horus, and Ra are alive and well, and living in this solar system? Is there a God the Father, Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer equivalency here? Were (and are?) Ptah and Thoth really Michael and Lucifer -- or Pinky and the Brain? Why don't you like Ptah and Thoth? Are they the real Raiders of the Lost Ark? Were, and are, they both rebels, but in very different ways? Is Ancient Egypt at the center of the Old World Order? Is Rome (Ancient and Modern, Holy and Unholy) at the Center of the New World Order? I could ask a lot more questions, but I won't. Not now.

    TRANCOSO, I am currently thinking that everything goes back to Babylon and Egypt, and that there really is nothing new under the sun. My Conservative Christianity is morphing into Christocentric Egyptology. The Bible, Quran, Torah, and Egyptian Myths just provide clues as to what is really going on. I think that thousands, or even millions, of years of religious and political conflict have created a confusing mess. I'm hoping this madness can somehow be resolved sometime soon. I'm trying to learn what I can from Ralph Ellis and Gerald Massey, but it's not going real well. 'Stargate SG-1' is a lot more interesting after studying this sort of thing. BTW, that was a very cool video.

    Also, that guy in the red shorts convinced me that we probably aren't ready to ascend anytime soon...

    orthodoxymoron wrote:Wow Brook! What a huge amount of complex esoteric Egyptology! This is way over my head! Once again, I wish to make a deep study of this thread and the old Avalon 'Amen Ra' thread, but I keep having a mental block. Brook (or anyone for that matter) do you think that Osiris, Isis, Horus, and Ra are alive and well, and living in this solar system? Is there a God the Father, Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer equivalency here? Were (and are?) Ptah and Thoth really Michael and Lucifer -- or Pinky and the Brain? Why don't you like Ptah and Thoth? Are they the real Raiders of the Lost Ark? Were, and are, they both rebels, but in very different ways? Is Ancient Egypt at the center of the Old World Order? Is Rome (Ancient and Modern, Holy and Unholy) at the Center of the New World Order? I could ask a lot more questions, but I won't. Not now.
    Brook wrote:Most of what I just posted was about the technology which while advanced for the day...was rather simplistic in nature.  Using concepts such as a hydrogen fuel cell would be considered advanced.   But looking at the dejed power source for the field generator was actually quite simple in nature.  The best way to look at it is this....

    You have a civilization that was here with just the "stuff" in their crafts......other than that they had to use resources here and makeshift them with parts and knowledge they had with them.  It was not like they could go to the local electronics store or machine a part to configure.  The field generator while being a complex piece...was also quite simple and simply made.  
    Brook wrote:
    orthodoxymoron wrote:Brook (or anyone for that matter) do you think that Osiris, Isis, Horus, and Ra are alive and well, and living in this solar system? Is there a God the Father, Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer equivalency here? Were (and are?) Ptah and Thoth really Michael and Lucifer -- or Pinky and the Brain? Why don't you like Ptah and Thoth? Are they the real Raiders of the Lost Ark? Were, and are, they both rebels, but in very different ways? Is Ancient Egypt at the center of the Old World Order? Is Rome (Ancient and Modern, Holy and Unholy) at the Center of the New World Order?
    Quite simply...yes.
    orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you Brook. All of this is quite interesting, yet I feel as though I am playing with hot fire and rattlesnakes. What makes this worse, is that it feels as though I am at war when I try to deal with all of this. It's sort of like beating oneself to death with a ballpeen hammer, in an insane attempt to put oneself out of their own misery.
    Lionhawk wrote:
    orthodoxymoron wrote:Brook (or anyone for that matter) do you think that Osiris, Isis, Horus, and Ra are alive and well, and living in this solar system? Is there a God the Father, Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer equivalency here? Were (and are?) Ptah and Thoth really Michael and Lucifer -- or Pinky and the Brain? Why don't you like Ptah and Thoth? Are they the real Raiders of the Lost Ark? Were, and are, they both rebels, but in very different ways? Is Ancient Egypt at the center of the Old World Order? Is Rome (Ancient and Modern, Holy and Unholy) at the Center of the New World Order?
    I'm just wondering why answer the question when it will be asked again and again and again? LOL

    Osiris is here and he doesn't remember who he is or was. He was a propped up idiot and a womanizing fraud, in my book. He wasn't all that upstairs. He was also a genetic mistake of sorts that quite simply made everything worse and many people paid for it with their lives.

    Isis and Horus are here. You have met Horus here in the forum. Now you might think I'm a little nuts when I say that. But Horus and I do have a history. A history that was just like yesterday. You guys might think he is this or that. It matters not really. What matters is that he and I remember that history and the price we both paid and continue to pay for the parts we have played.

    Ra got a bad rap and only because the PTB made that so with the rest of their distorted propaganda. He is here in the now and that is not a secret any longer. He will probably succeed where Zeus failed. They seriously played the discredit card with Ra. It's all 180 degrees as to the truth.

    Ptah is on some barren moon somewhere, all by his bad self. Only the Feline Race knows the exact location. He was another idiot with lots of power and abused it to no end.

    Lucifer was Lucifer. The origins of Lucifer were from the beginning compared to Ptah and Thoth, as their origins were Reptilian. And I have already shared what I had discovered as to what has happened to Lucifer in our lifetime. So if you are still asking that question, it merely means you haven't proven it out in the first hand as with all of the other questions you have asked. There lies the problem. Settling for second hand answers will never prove themselves out to you and you will always have the desire to find out. So you have to make the changes necessary to change your stars in regards to getting the answers, thus the results you seek. I mean think about it.......We are still doing this dance after several years in regards to these questions. Settling for a paradox is not what I define as a true result towards the seeking of the truth.

    Ptah and Thoth were some of the biggest "a holes" to have incarnated here. We as a global people are still reacting to their agenda. I refer to Thoth as the real Doctor Who. Do the research but apply a first hand approach. Remember they are Reptilians and follow the ways of the hydrogen base. That will keep you on the right path to finding those answers.

    And always remember that apples are apples and oranges are oranges. If you don't keep it simple you will always be in a cloud of confusion and that will be your reflection out on the world for all to see. Excuses are free.

    Meetings have been held of which are of the highest order in regards to what is before all of us that are here in the now. I will just say that James Gilliland was very spot on with his last message. The dark are at full bore and it is all they can do to keep their agenda up and it is just a matter of time when it will implode. So hang in there and enjoy the view from your front seat.

    Namaste'  
    orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you Lionhawk. I will keep asking some of the same questions, over and over again, in order to learn more and more regarding the topic under review. I don't get involved in anything spooky, so I will probably continue to require second-hand information from those who venture where angels fear to tread. If Ra is Lucifer, then I tend to think this soul continues to exist within this solar system. Most people don't give a damn about any of this. Should I be faulted for having a continued interest in the key players in this solar system? I keep getting the sinking feeling that having a genuine interest in the way things really work in this solar system is a lost cause, which is not rewarded in any way, shape, or form. In fact, it seems to be punished. I am particularly interested in possible reincarnational equivalencies for Osiris, Isis, Horus, and Set. Archangel Michael seems to surface as Horus and Jesus. I have made further speculations in this vein. The first and last Pharaohs of Egypt are of considerable interest to me. What about Adam, Moses, King David, Mithras, and Michaelangelo? I am beginning to think that there is some overlap between Lucifer and Michael, particularly regarding the musical role in 'heaven' and closeness to God the Father. Biblical Egyptology is well worth watching. Anyway, my writing activities are morphing into a novel format, so I might not be asking so many questions after all. But really, the questions are often intended to make people think. Rather than boldly declare that which is difficult to prove, I ask questions, and often I think I already know the answers to many of these questions. There is also the phenomenon of 'theme and variations' wherein a theme is repeated over and over again, with multitudinous variations, such as in the Passacaglia and Fugue in C-minor by J.S. Bach. Does the real Horus go by the name 'Horus' in this forum? If someone claims to be a famous historical figure, how do we know this to be true? If someone is told they are a famous historical figure, how are they to know if this is true? I have been told a thing or two about myself, but I tend to doubt it. I have done some role-playing just for the hell of it, and for educational purposes -- but how is one to really know anything of this nature for certain?
    Lionhawk wrote:Not to be critical, but your approach seems to create more confusion. Especially to those who are earnestly seeking the truth. So since you are stuck on using second hand methods your results will never satisfy your questions. At which it becomes a distraction to where ever you post such questions. Ever watch a dog chase his tail? If you were really interested in finding the answers to your questions, why is it you insist on using second hand methods? Intention is the key ingredient. Now I must ask what are your real intentions with all of this? Maybe no one has ask you this before. I'm curious. I just find it very strange that you choose not to use common sense. It applies even to these matters. If you really want to know, your intention will guide you providing your intention is based in integrity. That is another key ingredient, integrity. So straighten me out will ya? Or will you make me chase my tail? LOL

    Ra = Lucifer ???????????????????????

    Talk about second hand results. If you really don't know in the first hand, how can you come up with anything constitutional in the second hand that produces the results you seek and expect it to manifest into something worth while? Maybe it is simpler than that and maybe it just comes down to getting someone's attention and maybe your real intention. To distract. There is a lot of that already out here. BS is BS, no matter how you deliver it.

    You lost me....... geek

    Maybe I can arrange something for you........ I will let you know if I can. Thubs Up
    orthodoxymoron wrote:If you can't convince them, confuse them! I am what I am, and I am somewhat set in my ways. I wonder if Set is set in his ways? Here's more confusion for those who are easily confused. What if all we really have is the Orion Group? What if we are the Orion Group? What if the Orion Group involves the following?

    Osiris, Isis, Horus, Set (Reincarnationally)
    Sirius-Egyptian-Roman Empire
    Monarchy, Papacy, Nazis, Masons, Jesuits
    Copernicus Crater, City of London, Vatican City, Washington D.C.
    Gizeh Intelligence, Most Intelligence Agencies Worldwide

    What if there is a good-side and a bad-side to all of the above? Who or what might be exemplified by a composite of all of the above -- in a good way -- and in a bad way? What if Hitler turns out to be better than we thought? I have no inside scoop in that regard, but what if most of our understanding of history is badly screwed-up? I'm trying to imagine transforming the hypothetical Sirian-Egyptian-Roman Empire into a highly organized, highly developed, highly efficient -- but completely non-corrupt and non-violent -- Brave New Solar System. What if all of the above were assimilated into a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System, with an elected, non-bloodline King and Queen at the top of the pyramid? Would there still be a Pope of Rome and a Queen of England? I sure know how to get myself in trouble, don't I? Is this sort of thinking wrong or delusional? What if the Nazis had been completely non-violent and non-racist? What if the Vatican were more in harmony with the Teachings of Jesus and the U.S. Constitution? Please don't crucify me just yet. I think it is really important to conceptually get inside of all of the above, and to imagine the best and the worst aspects of this phenomenon. Shouldn't we learn from the past, rather than just marching blindly and stupidly into the future? The issues are too important and the stakes are too high. I'm frankly not very impressed with the good-guys or the bad-guys, at this point. I'm tending to think that everyone is bad, but in different ways. We all have our games and gimmicks. Believe it or not, ignorance is not a virtue, even though we often behave as if it were. I don't know if Ra is Lucifer, but some seem to think so.

    "EASU's secret societies become infiltrated by ENLIL's and confuse the beast (man). Ra later takes over and reprograms everyone, including the Sirian royalies. Erases memories. RA ( Marduk) becomes the one and only SUN GOD. Must Pledge allegience to RA. History is changed and statues are defaced. RA is Lucifer. RA has his own mystery school. All secrets come from RA. EA's teachings became the RA-LEG-US ( religions). Hathor ( Ninhurshag) and ISIS (Innana mother goddess) have changed to imposters and dark allegience to RA. Sheti Lizards shut down electrical grid and disable RA. RA flees to the heavens. Lizards now rule. Electrical grid around earth keeps up disconnected. LIZARDS play EA, ENLIL and RA. Stone masons and families can only go to Mystery School. Nibiru (ibru/Hebrews) were treated like slaves. Loyal to Enlil. Moses is raised by Egyptian Pharoah princess and learns Masonic mysteries and one god belief. Moses realizes he is Hebrew, kills guard who threatened Hebrew slave. UFO Sirian ships protect Moses and the Hebrews, part the RED Sea, drown the Pharoah's soldiers. Moses casts a bronze serpent. Ark of the Covenant houses history crystals and become communication devices. Ark gets short circuited, Moses punishes himself and doesn't go to promised land. Egypt attack Sirian UFOs and they flee. Jews wander in the desert and Egypt leaves them to die. OBAMA coming in as Akenaton, Lucifer as Aton, with NESARA. Secret societies have Jews for front men, but LIZARDS rule. Warning-Holocaust for Jews, cause are being blamed. Hinduism ( Swastica) symbol of swirling star system of Orion ( Aryan) and Sirian allegience. Arian MG warriors (not Annunaki) abandoned Orion Queens. White race in mountains of India, shared secrets with the Egyptian Masons. They are actually loyal to Sirians ASURA system. Promised to not challenge lizards. CASTE SYSTEM- high priests to warriors to administrators to beast undesirables. Currently- Lizards not concerned, as long as we are confused. Sherri Shriner says the net is now down, Lucifer ticked at orgone warriors since many negative UFO crashes, souls have been released due to web being lifted. Fundamentalist chuches with rapture are Masonic, Masonic Mormons and Washington is Masonic. Ascension http://www.canadastreetnews.com/indexnov15to2109.htm says that Ascended masters have taken our power away. Sananda, St. Germain ( Count- vampire), and Sanat Kumara feed off our energy, take our power, our CHI. They become immortal and we get recycled into the system."
    Brook wrote:Yes ODM...we've all heard the "story's"....But one thing I've learned in this Theater of the Parallel Universe is that these Myths and story's are exactly that. For example. If you follow the Myth of Thoth...most think him some wise being that has the secrets to the universe. When in fact I've found he is not the good guy everybody thinks he is. This I found doing these past life regressions and discovering little known facts that would say otherwise. In fact even today much of his work is about developing "thought" therefore....Thoth = Thought. Don't even get me going on Ptah...Story's made and developed in the story's to actually manipulate thought and frame things in just such a light as to believe it's merit. Also developed to form cults within Egyptian culture which still exists today.
    Even Zahawi Hawass is troubled by the "Followers of Seth"...yet another cult formed with these Myths that prove such leanings as to how cultures are developed and their beliefs.

    So...IF you buy into the story's.....legends......myths...............you've bought the story hook line and sinker without knowing if it's fact or not.  ALL based on what again?  A scribe...a story teller.....commissioned by who?  Terra papers?  From a 'stranded' alien?  So by all means feel free to believe what is told...but it's more than an option to discover them for yourself.  Or you can go in circles as you have questioning whether this one is bad or good.  Hitler a sweetheart?   Really now...are you Sirius?
    orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you Brook. I have to keep treating all of this as some sort of sick entertainment. I have no desire to 'wake people up' with this sort of thing. I just keep exposing myself to as much madness as I can stand, and then I try to embellish my ongoing real-life solar system science-fiction mini-series. This is really quite sad. It's a nasty job, but someone has to do it, I guess. The show must go on, but why? I continue to be interested in who issued orders to Adolph Hitler and Pope Pius XII. I have yet to study the Jesuit General during this time period, but Heinrich Himmler is a person of interest. I am interested in the Nazi invasion of North Africa, and whether this had anything to do with attacking Gizeh Intelligence, or biting the hand that was feeding Hitler and the Nazis. Al Bielik claimed that the 'Pleiadians' pulled the plug on Hitler in 1941, but who knows? It's the factional undercurrents and hidden agendas that I am most interested in, but I realize that this is playing with white-hot fire...
    Brook wrote:ODM,

    With all due respect.....you have asked the same questions over and over again here. I have several times tried to answer the questions with my views.  Understanding my views are coming form a parallel universal perspective.  Now when I've given you my answer why is it you don't acknowledge my answer?  Instead you ask the same questions and add a bit more.  When I've answered the "bit more" you continue on and on.  

    After a while it get a bit much. Now most people get rather perturbed when they answer a question and don't get ANY acknowledgment.  I've been rather patient here.  In fact there is quite a bit to be learned from someone who ALWAYS asks questions...get answers and only acknowledges them with yet another QUESTION...(while ignoring the answer entirely).

    So I ask you.....why do you always answer a question with an question?  And never acknowledge the answers given.  Half of this thread speaks of RA the sun god and my perspective on  it....yet you choose to ignore my views....and keep asking the same question regarding RA and Lucifer.  Why?  What is your view?  What do YOU think?  Is RA Lucifer to you?  Because I've been plain as day in this thread as to my perspective on RA.  Not one person here that has read this thread for as long as it has been posted is under the impression I believe RA is Lucifer.  So why do you continue to ask me this?  And you do understand this is my perspective gained under past life regression and RV sessions right?  

    Personally it's like telling me I don't exist here in this thread...and my views of RA are not being acknowledged by you one way or the other....other then the fact you KEEP asking me is RA in fact Lucifer?  I do believe if you have read this thread you would know that answer...and stop asking me that question.  It's actually starting to annoy me.  I don't go to your thread and do the same now do I?  I don't agree with several views of the Thuban threads...but I don't go there and ask them the obvious as to what they are posting.  Whether I agree or not.  I have posted when I agree or not...but I don't keep asking the same rhetorical questions.  

    knowing the OP of the thread is in fact far form the illusion that RA is Lucifer. Why do you continue to ask me this question and why do you insist on asking a question you know I don't agree with?  It's a simple question.....several question here have been posed to you now.  It's not about your supposed confusion....far from it.  Even though you say this.....I'm not buying it.  You have something to say so say it.  You know my views on RA...so say what you really feel instead of posing the question here at me time and time again. Transparency is starting to seep through all these questions you know.  I'd just like to hear it from you.
    orthodoxymoron wrote:I am very sorry to have caused you such distress, Brook. I had no idea. I shall proceed to make a complete review of this thread to discover the level of repetition on my part, and the attempted answers on your part. Often when an answer is rendered, this causes one to gain an insight which leads to yet another thought or question. Something happened three or four months ago which seemed to anger many on this site, and most communication with me has ended, or has become hostile. What happened, exactly? Who is the Ultimate and Undisputed God of This World? Amen Ra?
    orthodoxymoron wrote:
    Brook wrote:
    Who is the Ultimate and Undisputed God of This World? Amen Ra?
    Well if you do decide to read this thread...I firmly have stated...Amen Ra was not the god of this world.  In fact if you really research many of the teachings and culture...you'll understand that as well.  Good reading ODM.
    Thank-you Brook. I intend to do much more listening and reading, and much less writing.
    Brook wrote:
    Owlsden wrote:Oh ODM,

    I quite enjoy reading your material.. Please do continue to share...

    Owlsden...don't worry...ODM will continue to write.....he is presently writing this thread in his perception...just have a look around.   ;)It's all good.
    horus wrote:orthodoxymoron

    I picked up your energy yesterday and somewhere else, where you on the Starship Capricorn Forum? I was going to tell you Horus is here and in the now, Past, Present and Future, I am everywhere and multidimensional and my sacred heart is telling me the 'scatter-brain' part of you, to slow down. Have you had your blood pressure taken, some one is living off your energy, I just know it and your mind is everywhere showing probes on a hard hat, I call them the pricks of Jabba, a slug-like creature with the face of Chief-Sitting Bull looking like a cane toad. Sort out your inner folders first within my friend, you have some unwanted corrupt files causing all sorts of confusion and cross examination techniques from another quarter, its been that way for some time. You continuously question yourself without the examination that is given. I'm here to help you see what I see in you, I'm not here to scorn you.

    Do you want proof of who I am, I am Horus and you better believe it and I talk to RA as my Father-Creator who he is not the god that plays mind-games in this 3D world, he is very real and he is coming as the All-Seeing-Eye of God, shown to me as energy to the Helix Nebula. I have the proof, look at a post I just made today! Wave frequencies are going to make some people mind-crazy like a chicken losing its head. Do you want to be one, so go about centring yourself. I'm not going to tell what I know in detail, its too late for that, because no one believes in what I said the last 6 years as a teller of dreams always connecting to a movie protocol. So many will just have to face the music, and those three words just about sum it up that post that's not about fear but showing time has truly run out and has nothing to do with the Mayan Calendar, we are just becoming Galactic Humans, and the activation of our junk DNA when we focus on becoming who we really are and having full consciousness. Look out when that happens, I may be walking through 3D objects that are not real at all. Imagine walking through a privy in government, shitzzzz all over the floor and wet trousers.
    Crazy Happy Crazy HappyCrazy Happy Crazy Happy  Crazy Happy  Crazy Happy  lol!

    I felt a lot of warm Heart energy putting that post together, I could have told a lot more, but I left it up to everyone to decide for themselves, each soul now is on his own. I'm not here to save anyone, I am just a bringer of Light, Love and the Truth and warrior, you better believe it. You have to save yourself and find the love RA is projecting towards us, he never left us. You have to search for it deep within. Humans took up other interests that took them away from knowing sacred things like being a earth guardian, and look at this planet right now, what have we done? The paedophiles have raped this planet and all its elements. Have we learnt anything? As I type a voice from a movie called Night at the Museum. I received a message from that movie about Anubis from Mother-Creator. In short, those of the dark should be very afraid what's coming to them. The voice I heard was the statue from Christmas Island saying Dunb-Dumb directly after, have we learnt anything?

    Has my warning been heard? I think blind people reading Braille are properly got a better chance, they properly have a greater focus within with the distraction, I know because I have to keep my eyes closes with all the recalling of dreams to their accuracy and I search deep with retrieving more details.

    The clock is ticking and believe me as I see it this false god Thoth is a dick-head full of blood, I'm expecting it to explode soon looking like a watermelon feed on growth hormones near a sewerage pond.

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    I channel myself and 'no one channels me' and you do find a channelling, its a fraud right up front. And I know more than most, your head would spin like a top and you would suffer from information over-load, and I'm getting a image of a straight jacket cartoon that used to be on Godlike Production, someone all bandaged up. Wisdom should teach you to bite small parts of the apple first, letting that information digest first, you are trying to swallow the apple with one single bite and swallow it all at once. To quote the saying; 'blind as bats', bats regurgitate their business just like Thoth by talking a lot of shitzzzzz with regurgitated misinformation that is second hand. Get the truth from deep within. I stand with my Mother-Father, and I love what I do!

    There is nothing wrong in learning, but read one book at at time and you will get a better picture. On my path of learning in very the beginning, if the energy was not there in one chapter, I skipped it, I didn't need to know, period. Maybe you reading every written word which has confused your even more. That is all I have to say I'm sorry, and don't expect me to be cross-examined also.


    Brook wrote:
    orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you Horus. I wasn't on any other forum. I'm barely on this one. You most certainly have a way with words.

    "felt a lot of warm Heart energy putting that post together, I could have told a lot more, but I left it up to everyone to decide for themselves, each soul now is on his own. I'm not here to save anyone, I am just a bringer of Light, Love and the Truth and warrior, you better believe it. You have to save yourself and find the love RA is projecting towards us, he never left us. You have to search for it deep within. Humans took up other interests that took them away from knowing sacred things like being a earth guardian, and look at this planet right now, what have we done? The paedophiles have raped this planet and all its elements. Have we learnt anything? As I type a voice from a movie called Night at the Museum. I received a message from that movie about Anubis from Mother-Creator. In short, those of the dark should be very afraid what's coming to them. The voice I heard was the statue from Christmas Island saying Dunb-Dumb directly after, have we learnt anything? Have any my warning been heard? I think blind people reading Braille are properly got a better chance, they properly have a greater focus ability within without distractions, I know because I have to keep my eyes closes with all the recalling of my dreams to their accuracy and I search deep within retrieving more details. The clock is ticking and believe me as I see it this false god Thoth is a dick-head full of blood, I'm expecting it to explode soon looking like a watermelon feed on growth hormones near a sewerage pond."

    I believe. Help thou my unbelief.
    DAMN!  That's the best post you've done here in quite a while...I love it when you talk like that!   The University of Solar System Studies - Page 20 83084 The University of Solar System Studies - Page 20 193366  The University of Solar System Studies - Page 20 934918
    horus wrote:
    Brook wrote:
    DAMN!  That's the best post you've done here in quite a while...I love it when you talk like that!   The University of Solar System Studies - Page 20 83084 The University of Solar System Studies - Page 20 193366  The University of Solar System Studies - Page 20 934918
    Thank you Brook, someone was helping me, I could feel words at my finger tips, unbelievable and so cheeky, almost a lyrical feed back! In reply, and energy from 'above me' for you because you were a singer of a band. I also found it so refreshing to read words from my Beloved Brother Andy! Enjoy these video's because it is Natalie's real voice. So many will be in total disbelief, resurrecting like the Christ did. She is a 'glowing star' and so bright!  



    Unbelievable, instant at my finger tips, we have company, as I typed, 'singer of a band'.
    Look at the facial energy! Get blown away with the words of the song, so fitting!!!



    I'm just a wandering on the face of this earth
    Meeting so many people
    Who are trying to be free
    And while I'm traveling I hear so many words

    Language barriers broken
    Now we've found the key
    And if you want the wind of change
    To blow about you
    And you're the only other person to know, don't tell me
    I'm just a singer in a rock and roll band.

    A thousand pictures can be drawn from one word
    Only who is the artist
    We got to agree
    A thousand miles can lead so many ways

    Just to know who is driving
    What a help it would be
    So if you want this world of yours
    To turn about you
    And you can see exactly what to do
    Please tell me
    I'm just a singer in a rock and roll band.

    How can we understand
    Riots by the people for the people
    Who are only destroying themselves
    And when you see a frightened
    Person who is frightened by the
    People who are scorching this earth.

    I'm just a wandering on the face of this earth
    Meeting so many people
    Who are trying to be free
    And while I'm traveling I hear so many words

    Language barriers broken
    Now we've found the key
    And if you want the wind of change
    To blow about you
    And you're the only other person to know, don't tell me
    I'm just a singer in a rock and roll band.

    How can we understand
    Riots by the people for the people
    Who are only destroying themselves
    And when you see a frightened
    Person who is frightened by the
    People who are scorching this earth.

    Music is the traveller crossing our world
    Meeting so many people bridging the seas
    I'm just a singer in a rock and roll band.
    We're just the singers in a rock and roll band.
    I'm just a singer in a rock and roll band...
    Brook wrote:A member here just sent me a series of Videos....About Simon Parkes.  Now I watched all four parts which I just finished today.  He speaks of many things I've spoken of in my thread here.  But I'd like to point out the last in the series....the "SESSION"...where he recounts the beings" and the ritual where they hurt and torture children.

    One if the first things I saw what the 'eye of Horus' in my session when I started on the "Egyptian" parts.  this video actually brought me to tears briefly....it hit very close to home....  



    and here is the ritual I've written about...in several posts here....remembering the BA is the "Owl"
    Brook wrote:my recant of the ritual and my session in one post here.....

    http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t791p330-egyptian-folklore-and-the-red-pill-part-1#20258
    and again this video....

    Brook wrote:
    Brook wrote:Now back to the Room with the 'ritual'......

    Thought I'd mention When I was visiting that room, it dawned on me there was a low level noise coming form an outside source. This is when I discovered the field generator. Now the question is ..did the three parts of the stone block, chair , and disc create the field generator? NO. It was quite separate. And I believe situated in a separate yet connected room.

    Right now I'm swimming into some unfinished business. When I decided to attempt going to the field generator it was brought to my attention that I needed to attend to unfinished business. About a year ago I was presented this meeting. Now Wayne Herschel has been working on the star patterns of origin. And that's all good and well. I've even had conversation with him about this.  But he is failing to understand the actual meaning of this. It's not simply a chart to the stars but a meeting.


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    It's the meaning of that meeting
    that I'm aware of. That I knew over a year ago. But it also brought an
    emotion to me personally. And upon seeing this during a session I spoke
    a phrase in this ancient language that I did not understand until
    today. Because that link I was drawn to had the answers. Not only does
    it relate to hieroglyphs but is also contains the words that were
    deciphered as well. So I took that phrase I uttered in that session
    well over a year ago and I used the book to decipher it. You cannot
    simply go to a translation program and get a translation as this is an
    ancient language not used anymore as it were.


    What I said was this....remembering it phonetically and quite literally. Spoken with "indignation" by me.

    Har te teht tat saiu maau

    Har - means District in Syria

    te - means Injustice

    teht - leads war

    tat- means Other world

    Saiu - means guardian, watchman (eye of Ra)

    Maau - means district

    Understanding this....this was
    spoken by me with indignation and emotion that caused a "distortion"
    and I could only speak the ancient language as the distortion would not
    translate it. So I was supposed to decipher it and until today never
    did.


    Quite literally I was saying this..

    The injustice in the district of
    Syria that may lead to wars in other worlds is viewed by the guardian
    Ra in this district (Egypt). ...by the action of this meeting.


    For me to say this was a political statement and I was not happy to just let it go...the injustice that is. I was quite emotional during this meeting and the statement reflects that.

    Now the action of this meeting
    was indeed a peaceful resignation to gather the stone discs take them
    home where they belong and leave peacefully. So as not to create any
    wars...but a date was given on that day to "make things right" or
    actions would be decided at that time.


    The fact that someone (Thoth and
    Ptah) made duplicates of the discs leads the way for a peaceful
    resignation and agreement to no further actions in that meeting. But
    you can bet that Thoth made sure he let everyone know of this
    date....as Quetzalcoatl and Mayan God to devise the Mayan Calendar.
    But
    that is a whole other political play between Ptah and Thoth as Ptah
    could no longer trust Thoth who was gaining his own self imposed power.
    He was much smarter that Ptah by far.
    Ptah sent him away from
    his district because he though he might eventually be an adversary who
    sought to take over rule. Just for the record...I don't like Ptah or
    Thoth at all. But that is a whole other avenue of thought.


    Okay then I'm hoping this can get
    final resolution and I can get to the field generator. sorry
    for the delay but I have to finish what I start..and this for me was
    unresolved until today. It just had to be determined and was not going
    to simply go away now that I had the link to decipher the words spoken.
    I confess it's been on my mind since I said them....but until today had
    no way to do so.



    Arrogance vs Confidence

    I have bumped my own post....not through arrogance but out of confidence.   The time line set in this depiction and my words are about to erupt once again.  It's not through arrogance I discovered this but sheer hard work and confidence in validation.  Most of which I do not share here.  Why don't I share it?  Because most are not ready to handle the truth.  

    The part I have highlighted ...the statement in RED are now coming once again.  Same name....same game....not a damned thing changed.

    I also share the so called "arrogance" with love in my heart and share it with the good people here.  Because it's with confidence that I do know this is more the real.

    Someone once said,

    People do not care how much you know  until they know how much you care.

    Sadly it can also be the other way around......

    Some care how much you know and don't care about you if they assume you know little.  

    It's a scary phenomenon how we sometimes judge the world with faulty perceptions when all we are seeing is the reflection of ourselves.

    Best not to judge at all ....

    To my good friends here....Peace and Tranquil waters will prevail eventually.  When they do I'll see you then.  

    To the others...know you too will be judged at some time or another....is it safer to tread on the rocky ground of truth or sail on the smooth waters of complacency while you point your finger in jest?  Just know that's a lesson in humility and will be well worth learning.  

    Namaste Now....Journey well
    Brook


    Brook wrote:Well thank you Owlsden but I'll be leaving now......but have one more post here.....

    A little Feng Shui goes a long way baby!.....................


    Feng shui is a Chinese system of geomancy believed to use the laws of both Heaven (Chinese astronomy) and Earth to help one improve life by receiving positive qi...

    Geomancy ( Greek: γεωμαντεία, "earth divination") is a method of divination that interprets markings on the ground or the patterns formed by tossed handfuls of soil, rocks, or sand. The most prevalent form of divinatory geomancy involves interpreting a series of 16 figures formed by a randomized process that involves recursion followed by analyzing them, often augmented with astrological interpretations.

    Once practiced by people from all social classes, it was one of the most popular forms of divination throughout Africa and Europe in the Middle Ages and the Renaissance.


    Geomantic instrument Egypt or Syria 1241 1242


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    Just sharin...one last time ......
    orthodoxymoron wrote:Brook, I will be spending the next couple of months focusing on Egyptology in general, and your threads in particular, but I probably won't be commenting. I haven't felt ready or able to do this sort of thing previously, possibly because of reincarnational baggage (who knows?), but now I feel a need to properly relate Egyptology to my Christology and Biblical Studies. Thank-you for all of your insights and hard work. It is greatly appreciated. A lack of understanding on my part does not constitute a lack of appreciation. Namaste.
    Brook wrote:Just for you Milkteagirl..you're far and beyond the norm of "knowing"...you know it and so do I.  You'll figure it out long before most will and that is my projected analysis.

    Now I will straighten out that last post..as it deserved much better than I gave it....


    So what's with the Feng Shui?

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    Looks like another eight sided wheel to me eh? Truth is I'm not as up on Feng Shui but do know it to be a geomancy (word of Greek origin meaning earth devination The University of Solar System Studies - Page 20 Wink) which would suggest the pulling and directing of life force energy "QI" and using it to your advantage for what ever purpose you choose. Being of course it should be used for positive energy not the negative as it would surely backfire in some way eh? This geomacy is even used in magic rituals in calling the four corners...pulling that energy from the ground on which we walk. Like a deviation of sorts.

    Well today while doing my "thing" I was confronted with Feng Shui and ran into this handy little devise.  Keeping in mind that geomancy has been used by just about every culture in about every country out there. I ran into this..

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    Geomantic instrument Egypt or Syria 1241 1242

    http://www.britishmuseum.org/explor..._objects/me/b/brass_geomantic_instrument.aspx

    On the face it reads...

    I'm the reveler of secrets; in me are the marvels of strange and hidden things.  But I have spread out the surface of my
    face out of humanity, and have prepared it for as substitute for earth...


    Looks like an interesting little devise all those knobs and leavers. Wonder what good it did? It would seem that this type of geomancy would be used according to astronomical alignments as well. So I just figured I'd share my latest escapade in the Parallel Universe and wondering what it's all about at this time.

    A little Feng Shui goes a long way baby! Whoa!!!!!!!!!!!!


    Grounding!  I must take my own advise....farewell  Wink
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Wed Aug 14, 2013 2:31 pm

    Lionhawk wrote:Take all the time you need. It's your time anyway and it shouldn't matter to anyone what you do with your time. I just have more important things to focus on as of recent days that involve with what is going on in the present. What has occurred has already gone under the bridge and will only serve us as a reminder of what was. It also causes me to take my focus off the targets (changes) that are moving in the now. I would prefer to be focused in the now as great changes are at our door steps. So I hope you understand why that is. I have no intentions of missing my scheduled front row seat. It comes down to free agency as to what anyone does. So choose what is best for you and never compromise your course no matter who says what. Savvy? Good luck with all of your questions!
    Thank-you Lionhawk. Does your name have anything to do with the 'Lion of the Tribe of Judah'? I am focused on the present, yet I am simultaneously viewing the past and the future with my peripheral vision. It's those great changes that worry me. What are the specifics? Do we have a choice in the matter? I frankly smell a rat, or is it a snake? It seems as though imperfect beings are governed by imperfect deities, in a universe which is stranger than we can think. I grew-up attending a church which teaches the non-immortality of the soul. In fact, they teach against the existence of a soul. They teach bodily resurrection rather than reincarnation or dying and going to heaven, purgatory, or hell (door number 1, door number 2, or door number 3?). I now believe that we just get recycled over and over, and that this world is heaven, purgatory, and hell. However, I do not get involved in anything supernatural, although I've had some very creepy and upsetting things of a supernatural nature happen to me over the past couple of years. I wonder if my church taught what they did (and do) because of the alleged reptilian and demonic phenomenon? I don't trust 'the other side' at all. I believe that by focusing upon mind, character, and personality development that we will be prepared for the eventual positive interaction with the supernatural, but that we shouldn't go where angels fear to tread, and rush 'contact'. My computer hardly functions, and my other computer was immediately and completely fried when I called the beings on the Moon, Mars, and Phobos 'Bastards'. Right after that happened a streaming white light passed between me and the computer monitor, as if to say 'Don't mess with us'. God Got Me! Plus, I got scolded a few days later, so I'm going away for a while, and I will be lurking in the mists, as I continue to seek understanding more than condemnation.

    I'm trying to walk in the shoes of the Secret Government - Human and Otherwise - and I continue to worry about solar system governance by ANYONE. The Progressives might end-up doing a worse job than the Regressives. Is there a place for unquestioning obedience at the level of solar system governance? Can you imagine what a Dictatorial Draconian Empire might be like? Try thinking about this for a while. What would it be like to be a Drac? What if all of us were Dracs before we became Human? I continue to wonder if our souls are Interdimensional Reptilian in nature. What if all of us will be Dracs after we are Human? If so, I hope we will have a choice in the matter. I have recently made some very intelligent individuals angry with me on this website, and probably elsewhere as well. Sometimes I think You Are All One! I think I've tried really hard to be as nice as possible, while being as honest as possible. I have limited my conceptual exploration to a very small website, rather than going-off half-cocked with a show or book. I'm about to lose my house because of being sidetracked by all of this madness, and not taking care of business on the home-front. I'm not getting paid to do this. Is anyone else covering the same territory I am? I continue to be a stable basket-case, if that makes any sense. I think I could fit-in well in an Underground Base, and sit in on some really upsetting presentations, yet in day to day living, I'm not doing very well. I really wonder what I've done in previous incarnations. I seem to be somewhat at home with a lot of upsetting subject matter, yet I can't seem to make small-talk to save my soul. Sometimes I wonder if I'm even from around here. It's sort of fun to imagine being interesting people in previous incarnations, or even being non-human in previous incarnations, but I obviously would not encourage others to do this sort of thing!

    I think that discussing things on the internet is very necessary for humanity right now. I'd rather see people arguing on the internet, than running in the streets, or going off to war. It's the 'doing something' that scares me. Perhaps we don't need to do a lot. I'm so undecided and unsettled about so many things, that I frankly don't trust myself to do a lot right now. I'm trying to become much more comfortable with everything I have been dealing with, before I actually do much of anything with it. I'm conceptually trying to be part of the secret government, just so I can try to understand them, rather than just hate them. This is an open think-tank, where I know that I'm being watched and listened to, yet I proceed to think out-loud, regardless of the consequences. I continue to have no hostility toward anyone, yet I post things which might seem to be somewhat mean to various groups and individuals. I think I could talk to the Devil in a civil manner, and then turn around and post a video which is critical of Satanism. I can be a friend and an enemy at the same time, which is why I sometimes think that in a future incarnation, I might make an excellent negotiator with various alien nations, or something like that. Again, I am laying a foundation for imagining shuttling between the City of London, Vatican City, Washington D.C., and Copernicus Crater - with small apartment-offices in each location. They could be 100 square-feet, rather than the 600 square-feet I suggested, although I'd prefer the larger size! Again, I'm trying to be a Token Benevolent Megalomaniac in Megalomaniacs Anonymous! I think I could meet with the Pope, the Queen, the Queen of Heaven, and God of This World -- in a civil and respectful manner -- but I still might be very blunt and trenchant with them! I might also meet with a roomful of Nazis, Masons, and Jesuits in a similar manner. This isn't selling-out, but it might take a helluva lot of discipline to keep from selling-out. Really, if I were to actually live this deam (or nightmare) I might continue this thread in perpetuity, with tactfully written posts which might touch upon insider activities. Even if a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System became a reality, and I became some sort of a Solar System Administrator, I might just keep doing what I'm doing right now, but with access to individuals, organizations, meetings, files, etc. Again, I liked the Palmer Joss and Rachael Constantine characters in 'Contact'. I'd like to be a cross between those two. I also like the best aspects of Anna in 'V'. I have thought about what a male counterpart would look-like and act-like. I'm seriously trying to become an idealistic insider, without becoming a 666th Degree Mason, if you know what I mean.

    Would a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System have to incorporate the Osiris, Isis, Horus, and Set Factions of a Sirius-Egyptian-Roman Empire, administered from the City of London, Vatican City, Washington D.C., and the Crater Copernicus? Would it further have to incorporate the Monarchy, Papacy, Jesuits, Nazis, Masons, Alphabet Agents, the Anglican Communion, and the Roman Catholic Church? Would a United States of the Solar System merely be a subsidiary of the Orion Group, LLC? Would a Solar System Administrator be employed as a Division Chief? Would they have to sell-out the human-race in a somewhat heartless and cruel manner? Is this really a violent, cruel, and nasty universe we live in? Are we simply lucky to be alive? I feel extremely depressed by all of my research and speculation. Do we live in the Hotel Sirius? If we check-out, can we ever really leave? I'm trying to understand that which presently exists, and to understand the historical foundation upon which it is based. Then, I'm trying to positively-reinforce the best aspects of all of this. Unfortunately, I don't think I know much about what's REALLY going on. Am I too idealistic to be told what's REALLY going on? Must I be kept in the dark, so that I don't try to start another Star War? Again, I'm really depressed about all of this, and I'm feeling as if things will never really be good around here, for any significant time-period. In fact, we might be very lucky to survive as a species. In the movie 'Contact', is Mr. Hadden representative of the 'Osiris Faction'? Is Rachael Constantine representative of the 'Isis Faction'? Is her assistant 'Mike' representative of the 'Set Faction'? Is Palmer Joss representative of the 'Horus Faction'? Or, are Adam, Aaron, Kate, and Cal, in 'East of Eden' better representations of Osiris, Horus, Isis, and Set? Who knows?

    I would love to go to Heaven, but I have frankly lost faith in the gods. I don't necessarily have a problem with the God-Concept -- but the History of the Solar System does not seem to point toward a Good and Loving God Being in Charge. There seems to be more at work than a bunch of stupid and irreverent human beings ignoring the Word of God. I don't wish to be rebellious. I really don't. But a deep study of theology and history is most upsetting, and most people have no idea. Please conceptualize idealistic forms of church and state - politics and religion - and their possible integration. Consider all of the possibilities. Think in terms of Comparative Governance - Secular and Sacred. I certainly hope there are some silent researchers who are working with me on all of this. I don't have to be right, but I want the right things to be done, and for the truth to be known. I continue to think that the Masons and Jesuits know more than most about what's really going on in this solar system, but I think they are highly compromised and controlled. I'd like to know what they know, without taking the oaths, participating in the rituals, and carrying out reprehensible orders. I don't necessarily have a problem with deep and esoteric philosophy and theology -- but I have a huge problem with illegal and violent activities which are destructive toward the human race. I'd like to know what the best and brightest Masons and Jesuits really think about life, the universe, and everything. I have decided to work outward from the word 'Responsibility' regarding church and state. We should consider clean sheet of paper approaches, as well as the historical attempts at governance. These are the times that try men's and women's souls. My repeated reference to 'Responsibility' does not imply that I am 'Responsible'. I'm not trying to win a popularity contest or a 'holier than thou' contest. I'm not even trying to win a 'competency contest'. I'm merely taking an approach that is probably relatively uncommon, and possibly for very valid reasons! My support mechanism has failed me, and I'm looking for a more solid foundation. I'm looking for reasonable knowledge to replace my shattered faith. In a sense, this is all somewhat selfish. I'm trying to solve my problems as I try to solve the problems of the human race. I'm not completely altruistic, but please don't shoot! I'm just a Completely Ignorant Fool! But whatever you do, Believe in the God Who Believes in You! And don't get on a UFO! You might end-up in slave-labor and on the dinner-table -- and I'm not kidding. I continue to hear stories...
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    Take a look at this Ellen White quote. I think her work is quite profound, even though I don't agree with a lot of the details. The following is taken from the first chapter of her book 'Education':

    Our ideas of education take too narrow and too low a range. There is need of a broader scope, a higher aim. True education means more than the pursual of a certain course of study. It means more than a preparation for the life that now is. It has to do with the whole being, and with the whole period of existence possible to man. It is the harmonious development of the physical, the mental, and the spiritual powers. It prepares the student for the joy of service in this world and for the higher joy of wider service in the world to come. The source of such an education is brought to view in these words of Holy Writ, pointing to the Infinite One: In Him "are hid all the treasures of wisdom." Colossians 2:3. "He hath counsel and understanding." Job 12:13. The world has had its great teachers, men of giant intellect and extensive research, men whose utterances have stimulated thought and opened to view vast fields of knowledge; and these men have been honored as guides and benefactors of their race; but there is One who stands higher than they. We can trace the line of the world's teachers as far back as human records extend; but the Light was before them. As the moon and the stars of our solar system shine by the reflected light of the sun, so, as far as their teaching is true, do the world's great thinkers reflect the rays of the Sun of Righteousness. Every gleam of thought, every flash of the intellect, is from the Light of the world.

    In these days much is said concerning the nature and importance of "higher education." The true "higher education" is that imparted by Him with whom "is wisdom and strength" (Job 12:13), out of whose mouth "cometh knowledge and understanding." Proverbs 2:6. In a knowledge of God all true knowledge and real development have their source. Wherever we turn, in the physical, the mental, or the spiritual realm; in whatever we behold, apart from the blight of sin, this knowledge is revealed. Whatever line of investigation we pursue, with a sincere purpose to arrive at truth, we are brought in touch with the unseen, mighty Intelligence that is working in and through all. The mind of man is brought into communion with the mind of God, the finite with the Infinite. The effect of such communion on body and mind and soul is beyond estimate. In this communion is found the highest education. It is God's own method of development. "Acquaint now thyself with Him" (Job 22:21), is His message to mankind. The method outlined in these words was the method followed in the education of the father of our race. When in the glory of sinless manhood Adam stood in holy Eden, it was thus that God instructed him. In order to understand what is comprehended in the work of education, we need to consider both the nature of man and the purpose of God in creating him. We need to consider also the change in man's condition through the coming in of a knowledge of evil, and God's plan for still fulfilling His glorious purpose in the education of the human race.

    When Adam came from the Creator's hand, he bore, in his physical, mental, and spiritual nature, a likeness to his Maker. "God created man in His own image" (Genesis 1:27), and it was His purpose that the longer man lived the more fully he should reveal this image--the more fully reflect the glory of the Creator. All his faculties were capable of development; their capacity and vigor were continually to increase. Vast was the scope offered for their exercise, glorious the field opened to their research. The mysteries of the visible universe--the "wondrous works of Him which is perfect in knowledge" (Job 37:16)--invited man's study. Face-to-face, heart-to-heart communion with his Maker was his high privilege. Had he remained loyal to God, all this would have been his forever. Throughout eternal ages he would have continued to gain new treasures of knowledge, to discover fresh springs of happiness, and to obtain clearer and yet clearer conceptions of the wisdom, the power, and the love of God. More and more fully would he have fulfilled the object of his creation, more and more fully have reflected the Creator's glory. But by disobedience this was forfeited. Through sin the divine likeness was marred, and well-nigh obliterated. Man's physical powers were weakened, his mental capacity was lessened, his spiritual vision dimmed. He had become subject to death. Yet the race was not left without hope. By infinite love and mercy the plan of salvation had been devised, and a life of probation was granted. To restore in man the image of his Maker, to bring him back to the perfection in which he was created, to promote the development of body, mind, and soul, that the divine purpose in his creation might be realized--this was to be the work of redemption. This is the object of education, the great object of life.

    Love, the basis of creation and of redemption, is the basis of true education. This is made plain in the law that God has given as the guide of life. The first and great commandment is, "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind." Luke 10:27. To love Him, the infinite, the omniscient One, with the whole strength, and mind, and heart, means the highest development of every power. It means that in the whole being-- the body, the mind, as well as the soul--the image of God is to be restored. Like the first is the second commandment--"Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself." Matthew 22:39. The law of love calls for the devotion of body, mind, and soul to the service of God and our fellow men. And this service, while making us a blessing to others, brings the greatest blessing to ourselves. Unselfishness underlies all true development. Through unselfish service we receive the highest culture of every faculty. More and more fully do we become partakers of the divine nature. We are fitted for heaven, for we receive heaven into our hearts. Since God is the source of all true knowledge, it is, as we have seen, the first object of education to direct our minds to His own revelation of Himself. Adam and Eve received knowledge through direct communion with God; and they learned of Him through His works. All created things, in their original perfection, were an expression of the thought of God. To Adam and Eve nature was teeming with divine wisdom. But by transgression man was cut off from learning of God through direct communion and, to a great degree, through His works. The earth, marred and defiled by sin, reflects but dimly the Creator's glory. It is true that His object lessons are not obliterated. Upon every page of the great volume of His created works may still be traced His handwriting. Nature still speaks of her Creator. Yet these revelations are partial and imperfect. And in our fallen state, with weakened powers and restricted vision, we are incapable of interpreting aright. We need the fuller revelation of Himself that God has given in His written word.

    The Holy Scriptures are the perfect standard of truth, and as such should be given the highest place in education. To obtain an education worthy of the name, we must receive a knowledge of God, the Creator, and of Christ, the Redeemer, as they are revealed in the sacred word. Every human being, created in the image of God, is endowed with a power akin to that of the Creator-- individuality, power to think and to do. The men in whom this power is developed are the men who bear responsibilities, who are leaders in enterprise, and who influence character. It is the work of true education to develop this power, to train the youth to be thinkers, and not mere reflectors of other men's thought. Instead of confining their study to that which men have said or written, let students be directed to the sources of truth, to the vast fields opened for research in nature and revelation. Let them contemplate the great facts of duty and destiny, and the mind will expand and strengthen. Instead of educated weaklings, institutions of learning may send forth men strong to think and to act, men who are masters and not slaves of circumstances, men who possess breadth of mind, clearness of thought, and the courage of their convictions. Such an education provides more than mental discipline; it provides more than physical training. It strengthens the character, so that truth and uprightness are not sacrificed to selfish desire or worldly ambition. It fortifies the mind against evil. Instead of some master passion becoming a power to destroy, every motive and desire are brought into conformity to the great principles of right. As the perfection of His character is dwelt upon, the mind is renewed, and the soul is re-created in the image of God. What education can be higher than this? What can equal it in value? "It cannot be gotten for gold, Neither shall silver be weighed for the price thereof. It cannot be valued with the gold of Ophir, With the precious onyx, or the sapphire. The gold and the crystal cannot equal it, and the exchange of it shall not be for jewels of fine gold. No mention shall be made of coral, or of pearls: For the price of wisdom is above rubies." Job 28:15-18.

    Higher than the highest human thought can reach is God's ideal for His children. Godliness--godlikeness--is the goal to be reached. Before the student there is opened a path of continual progress. He has an object to achieve, a standard to attain, that includes everything good, and pure, and noble. He will advance as fast and as far as possible in every branch of true knowledge. But his efforts will be directed to objects as much higher than mere selfish and temporal interests as the heavens are higher than the earth. He who co-operates with the divine purpose in imparting to the youth a knowledge of God, and molding the character into harmony with His, does a high and noble work. As he awakens a desire to reach God's ideal, he presents an education that is as high as heaven and as broad as the universe; an education that cannot be completed in this life, but that will be continued in the life to come; an education that secures to the successful student his passport from the preparatory school of earth to the higher grade, the school above.


    Despite my idealism and insights, I think I've missed the boat. Something is very wrong. I think I might be losing touch with reality, which is probably a bad thing -- even if reality is a bad thing. Truth and beauty are so overrated. The more idealistic one becomes, the less one seems to be able to properly function in the 'real' world. I seem to have less and less in common with those around me, and frankly I am a lone-nut at this point, and I don't like it one little bit. My recent scolding was probably a bridge-burning of sorts, and I think I got the intended message loud and clear. What would Raven say? Perhaps I should make a serious effort to reenter the mainstream. What profiteth a man if he gaineth the whole solar system, yet hath no friends? I'm going away for a while. I'm not going away mad. I'm just going away. I'm going to read 'The 1928 Book of Common Prayer', 'The Desire of Ages', 'The Orgelbuchlein' (Clark and Peterson Edition), and 'The Federalist Papers' while listening to Sacred Classical Music. What if the '1928 Book of Common Prayer' were published in parallel-columns of English and Latin (including the 'Articles of Religion') http://www.anglicansonline.org/basics/thirty-nine_articles.html -- and called the 'Anglo-Catholic Book of Common Prayer'? What if this version were approved for use in both the Anglican Communion and the Roman Catholic Church? Would Catholics cry 'Heresy!'? Would Protestants cry 'Papacy!'? What if this became an interim basis for Ecumenism and Protestant-Catholic Reunification? I continue to lean toward 'The Desire of Ages' theologically, and 'The Federalist Papers' for both sacred and secular governance. What if most of the sacred organ literature were transformed into choral music (with most of the words taken from the '1928 Book of Common Prayer), again in both English and Latin, and with orchestral parts? Each congregation could use whatever combination of English and Latin they desired. What if all of this were integrated into a unified whole? The Archbishop of Canterbury and the Pope of Rome might write an introduction. Who knows? I'm not necessarily saying this is the way things should be, but I am attempting to preserve historical continuity while facilitating contemporary evolutionary innovation. I really like the term 'Minimalist Traditionalist'. I've been listening to a lot of French Romantic Organ Music lately - but my real love is Bach - preferably played on a French Romantic Organ with French Romantic Interpretation. The Empire Strikes Bach! I Go for Baroque! What you do is up to you, as long as you are being responsible while you are being free! Once again, take this thread as a whole, and as a study-guide, rather than an attempted 'my way or the highway' manifesto. I need to repeatedly review this thread more than anyone, and I shall be doing this in the coming months. I think the infowar is going to get really nasty! I don't think there is any right and good way to do this! No matter what we do, it's probably going to seem like the wrong thing! Don't be too hard on yourselves! This too shall pass! Namaste and Godspeed!

    Namaste? Reptilian and Human: Before and After the Fall? Them v Us? Us v Us? What Were We Before We Were Human? What Will We Be When We Are No Longer Human? Are We Human Flukes in a Draconian Reptilian Universe? Have We Earned the Right to be Here? I Certainly Hope So. Do We Pay ET to Protect Us From ET? I'm OK, You're OK? What Would Dr. Eric Berne Say? What Would Dr. Who Do?

    Bethany was so near Jerusalem that the news of the raising of Lazarus was soon carried to the city. Through spies who had witnessed the miracle the Jewish rulers were speedily in possession of the facts. A meeting of the Sanhedrin was at once called to decide as to what should be done. Christ had now fully made manifest His control of death and the grave. That mighty miracle was the crowning evidence offered by God to men that He had sent His Son into the world for their salvation. It was a demonstration of divine power sufficient to convince every mind that was under the control of reason and enlightened conscience. Many who witnessed the resurrection of Lazarus were led to believe on Jesus. But the hatred of the priests against Him was intensified. They had rejected all lesser evidence of His divinity, and they were only enraged at this new miracle. The dead had been raised in the full light of day, and before a crowd of witnesses. No artifice could explain away such evidence. For this very reason the enmity of the priests grew deadlier. They were more than ever determined to put a stop to Christ's work.

    The Sadducees, though not favorable to Christ, had not been so full of malignity toward Him as were the Pharisees. Their hatred had not been so bitter. But they were now thoroughly alarmed. They did not believe in a resurrection of the dead. Producing so-called science, they had reasoned that it would be an impossibility for a dead body to be brought to life. But by a few words from Christ their theory had been overthrown. They were shown to be ignorant both of the Scriptures and of the power of God. They could see no possibility of removing the impression made on the people by the miracle. How could men be turned away from Him who had prevailed to rob the grave of its dead? Lying reports were put in circulation, but the miracle could not be denied, and how to counteract its effect they knew not. Thus far the Sadducees had not encouraged the plan of putting Christ to death. But after the resurrection of Lazarus they decided that only by His death could His fearless denunciations against them be stopped. The Pharisees believed in the resurrection, and they could not but see that this miracle was an evidence that the Messiah was among them. But they had ever opposed Christ's work. From the first they had hated Him because He had exposed their hypocritical pretensions. He had torn aside the cloak of rigorous rites under which their moral deformity was hidden. The pure religion that He taught had condemned their hollow professions of piety. They thirsted to be revenged upon Him for His pointed rebukes. They had tried to provoke Him to say or do something that would give them occasion to condemn Him. Several times they had attempted to stone Him, but He had quietly withdrawn, and they had lost sight of Him.

    The miracles He performed on the Sabbath were all for the relief of the afflicted, but the Pharisees had sought to condemn Him as a Sabbathbreaker. They had tried to arouse the Herodians against Him. They represented that He was seeking to set up a rival kingdom, and consulted with them how to destroy Him. To excite the Romans against Him, they had represented Him as trying to subvert their authority. They had tried every pretext to cut Him off from influencing the people. But so far their attempts had been foiled. The multitudes who witnessed His works of mercy and heard His pure and holy teachings knew that these were not the deeds and words of a Sabbathbreaker or blasphemer. Even the officers sent by the Pharisees had been so influenced by His words that they could not lay hands on Him. In desperation the Jews had finally passed an edict that any man who professed faith in Jesus should be cast out of the synagogue.

    So, as the priests, the rulers, and the elders gathered for consultation, it was their fixed determination to silence Him who did such marvelous works that all men wondered. Pharisees and Sadducees were more nearly united than ever before. Divided hitherto, they became one in their opposition to Christ. Nicodemus and Joseph had, in former councils, prevented the condemnation of Jesus, and for this reason they were not now summoned. There were present at the council other influential men who believed on Jesus, but their influence prevailed nothing against that of the malignant Pharisees. Yet the members of the council were not all agreed. The Sanhedrin was not at this time a legal assembly. It existed only by tolerance. Some of its number questioned the wisdom of putting Christ to death. They feared that this would excite an insurrection among the people, causing the Romans to withhold further favors from the priesthood, and to take from them the power they still held. The Sadducees were united in their hatred of Christ, yet they were inclined to be cautious in their movements, fearing that the Romans would deprive them of their high standing.

    In this council, assembled to plan the death of Christ, the Witness was present who heard the boastful words of Nebuchadnezzar, who witnessed the idolatrous feast of Belshazzar, who was present when Christ in Nazareth announced Himself the Anointed One. This Witness was now impressing the rulers with the work they were doing. Events in the life of Christ rose up before them with a distinctness that alarmed them. They remembered the scene in the temple, when Jesus, then a child of twelve, stood before the learned doctors of the law, asking them questions at which they wondered. The miracle just performed bore witness that Jesus was none other than the Son of God. In their true significance, the Old Testament Scriptures regarding Christ flashed before their minds. Perplexed and troubled, the rulers asked, "What do we?" There was a division in the council. Under the impression of the Holy Spirit, the priests and rulers could not banish the conviction that they were fighting against God.

    While the council was at the height of its perplexity, Caiaphas the high priest arose. Caiaphas was a proud and cruel man, overbearing and intolerant. Among his family connections were Sadducees, proud, bold, reckless, full of ambition and cruelty, which they hid under a cloak of pretended righteousness. Caiaphas had studied the prophecies, and although ignorant of their true meaning, he spoke with great authority and assurance: "Ye know nothing at all, nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not." Even if Jesus were innocent, urged the high priest, He must be put out of the way. He was troublesome, drawing the people to Himself, and lessening the authority of the rulers. He was only one; it was better that He should die than that the authority of the rulers should be weakened. If the people were to lose confidence in their rulers, the national power would be destroyed. Caiaphas urged that after this miracle the followers of Jesus would likely rise in revolt. The Romans will then come, he said, and will close our temple, and abolish our laws, destroying us as a nation. What is the life of this Galilean worth in comparison with the life of the nation? If He stands in the way of Israel's well-being, is it not doing God a service to remove Him? Better that one man perish than that the whole nation be destroyed. In declaring that one man should die for the nation, Caiaphas indicated that he had some knowledge of the prophecies, although it was very limited. But John, in his account of this scene, takes up the prophecy, and shows its broad and deep significance. He says, "And not for that nation only, but that also He should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad." How blindly did the haughty Caiaphas acknowledge the Saviour's mission!

    On the lips of Caiaphas this most precious truth was turned into a lie. The policy he advocated was based on a principle borrowed from heathenism. Among the heathen, the dim consciousness that one was to die for the human race had led to the offering of human sacrifices. So Caiaphas proposed by the sacrifice of Jesus to save the guilty nation, not from transgression, but in transgression, that they might continue in sin. And by his reasoning he thought to silence the remonstrances of those who might dare to say that as yet nothing worthy of death had been found in Jesus. At this council Christ's enemies had been deeply convicted. The Holy Spirit had impressed their minds. But Satan strove to gain control of them. He urged upon their notice the grievances they had suffered on account of Christ. How little He had honored their righteousness. He presented a righteousness far greater, which all who would be children of God must possess. Taking no notice of their forms and ceremonies, He had encouraged sinners to go directly to God as a merciful Father, and make known their wants. Thus, in their opinion, He had set aside the priesthood. He had refused to acknowledge the theology of the rabbinical schools. He had exposed the evil practices of the priests, and had irreparably hurt their influence. He had injured the effect of their maxims and traditions, declaring that though they strictly enforced the ritual law, they made void the law of God. All this Satan now brought to their minds. Satan told them that in order to maintain their authority, they must put Jesus to death. This counsel they followed. The fact that they might lose the power they then exercised, was, they thought, sufficient reason for coming to some decision. With the exception of a few who dared not speak their minds, the Sanhedrin received the words of Caiaphas as the words of God. Relief came to the council; the discord ceased. They resolved to put Christ to death at the first favorable opportunity. In rejecting the proof of the divinity of Jesus, these priests and rulers had locked themselves in impenetrable darkness. They had come wholly under the sway of Satan, to be hurried by him over the brink of eternal ruin. Yet such was their deception that they were well pleased with themselves. They regarded themselves as patriots, who were seeking the nation's salvation.

    The Sanhedrin feared, however, to take rash measures against Jesus, lest the people should become incensed, and the violence meditated toward Him should fall upon themselves. On this account the council delayed to execute the sentence they had pronounced. The Saviour understood the plotting of the priests. He knew that they longed to remove Him, and that their purpose would soon be accomplished. But it was not His place to hasten the crisis, and He withdrew from that region, taking the disciples with Him. Thus by His own example Jesus again enforced the instruction He had given to the disciples, "When they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another." Matt. 10:23. There was a wide field in which to work for the salvation of souls; and unless loyalty to Him required it, the Lord's servants were not to imperil their lives. Jesus had now given three years of public labor to the world. His example of self-denial and disinterested benevolence was before them. His life of purity, of suffering and devotion, was known to all. Yet this short period of three years was as long as the world could endure the presence of its Redeemer.

    His life had been one of persecution and insult. Driven from Bethlehem by a jealous king, rejected by His own people at Nazareth, condemned to death without a cause at Jerusalem, Jesus, with His few faithful followers, found a temporary asylum in a strange city. He who was ever touched by human woe, who healed the sick, restored sight to the blind, hearing to the deaf, and speech to the dumb, who fed the hungry and comforted the sorrowful, was driven from the people He had labored to save. He who walked upon the heaving billows, and by a word silenced their angry roaring, who cast out devils that in departing acknowledged Him to be the Son of God, who broke the slumbers of the dead, who held thousands entranced by His words of wisdom, was unable to reach the hearts of those who were blinded by prejudice and hatred, and who stubbornly rejected the light. -- 'The Desire of Ages' (pages 537-542) by Ellen White


    The more I look at the world predicament, the smaller I feel, and the problems seem to be much larger than I thought. I continue to attempt to be a relatively silent reformer of the City-States, which includes the Roman Catholic Church, and really, the Anglican Communion. I have most recently been devotionally studying a harmony of the 1928 'Book of Common Prayer' (and proposing the possibility of an English/Latin version called 'The Anglo-Catholic Book of Common Prayer' with an introduction by the Archbishop of Canterbury and the Pope of Rome -- to be approved for use in both the Anglican Communion and the Roman Catholic Church -- for purposes of ecumenism and reunification -- with minimalist-traditionalist historical-continuity paving the way for possible Anglican-Catholic reunification -- possibly in cooperation with a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System -- centered in the City of London -- and ceremonially meeting in St. Paul's Cathedral), the 'Desire of Ages' (a devotional book centered in the Life and Teachings of Jesus -- written by Ellen G. White), the 'Federalist Papers' (including the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights), 'Jesus: Last of the Pharaohs' (Christocentric Biblical Egyptology by Ralph Ellis), and Sacred Classical Music. I obviously object to the historical and contemporary absurdities, abuses, corruptions, persecutions, atrocities, infiltrations, subversions, excesses, etc, etc. -- yet I feel that a properly reformed Roman Catholic Church is essential for this world to have any sort of a happy and productive future. This organization is probably at the center of the battle between good and evil in this solar system, and at the epicenter of any galactic issues and conflicts with other planets, star-systems, races, etc. I continue to be both a friend and an enemy of the church.

    I tend to lean toward the French and English versions of Roman Catholicism -- especially regarding how they conduct their services. I lean toward the Anglican Communion, as being a futuristic version of Roman Catholicism. The Roman Catholic Church seems to be burdened with a helluva lot of negative baggage and historical necessities. What if the Roman Catholic Church essentially joined the Anglican Communion? After you stop laughing, think about it! Would Lutherans, Episcopalians, Presbyterians, Methodists, and Orthodox Christians be more likely to unite with an Anglican Communion which included the Roman Catholic Church? I know this has a snowball's chance in hell of gaining any traction, but it is something worth thinking about. I'm a fan of Minimalist Tradtionalism and Contemporary Evolutionary Innovation. Some of the Papal robes, hats, thrones, and titles bother me (a lot). I like a combination of the royal-model and the servant-model. I am thinking outside of the box and outside of the church. I am an outsider trying to think like an insider, and it's probably not working, but I'd rather do it this way, than just throw stones and tell two billion people that they're going to hell. I will be spending the next couple of months focusing on Egyptology in general, and Brook's threads in particular, but I probably won't be commenting. I haven't felt ready or able to do this sort of thing previously, possibly because of reincarnational baggage (who knows?), but now I feel a need to properly relate Egyptology to my Christology and Biblical Studies. Thank-you Brook for all of your insights and hard work. It is greatly appreciated. A lack of understanding on my part does not constitute a lack of appreciation.

    I guess I'm attempting to make my peace with an idealized version of that which presently exists, rather than beginning with a clean-sheet of paper, or trying to reinvent the wheel. I am engaging in an incognito refining and reforming process, which primarily involves the Moon and the City-States. I think I'd like to live in a Stargate SG-1 Base for a while, with half a dozen researchers, and a supercomputer. This base probably wouldn't have a stargate, although that would be cool. We wouldn't go on missions throughout the galaxy, although that would be cool. This would simply be a think-tank. Most of our discussions would be audio and video recorded, and the best material might be turned into some sort of a show for the general public. If anyone out there can put something like this together, I'd be interested. I'm looking for a new place to live, and I'm tired of talking to myself on the internet. Actually, just give me a 100 square-foot room without a view under the City of London, with an entry-level supercomputer. Then, give me reasonable access to everything interesting and give me a reasonable salary as a Solar System Governance Consultant. Finally, take me seriously. Siriusly. But really, if I just keep doing what I'm doing, there might be less of a chance of becoming corrupted. Billions and Trillions of Dollars -- Here, There, and Everywhere -- Have Been Known to Do Strange Things to People's Minds. The sad reality is that I'm probably just learning how small I am and how big the problems are.

    Continue to carefully consider how things might really work in Heaven. Consider how things might really work on Earth. Consider how things should really work in Heaven and Earth. "On Earth as it is in Heaven"??? Is there any legitimacy to a Representative-Theocracy?? This whole thing is a Very Slippery Slope. Be Careful. We Might Be Dealing with Men of God...

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