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Thank-you magamud. That video-clip is one of my favorite scenes. I feel a bit like Daniel Jackson regarding the exodus of viewers and contributors to this thread. The view-count is almost at a standstill compared to what it's been in the past. This probably is an excellent time to exit stage-left. Unfortunately, I still have a lot of reposting and editing to do, so I might be quite busy, right up to the end of August, at which time I really will from all my labors rest. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqXWR-sdDQc I really enjoy hymn-singing (especially with the alternative verses we used at the Crystal Cathedral). I remember that first Sunday in the Morning-Choir, when we sang People, People Everywhere!! Fred called it 'People, People All Over the Place!!' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TWTWpYOD8c Isn't that a very cool church, organ, organist, and acoustical-environment??!! Check this out!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5DzwtEyPj0 I would be quite pleased if church consisted of nothing more than a Prelude, Processional, Hymn-Singing, a Sermon, a Recessional, and a Postlude!! The more hymn-singing the better!!!

Consider Natural-Law. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_law Natural law, or the law of nature (Latin: lex naturalis), is a system of law that is purportedly determined by nature, and thus universal.[1] Classically, natural law refers to the use of reason to analyze human nature—both social and personal—and deduce binding rules of moral behavior from it. Natural law is classically contrasted with the positive law of a given political community, society, or state, and thus serves as a standard by which to criticize said positive law.[2] In legal theory, on the other hand, the interpretation of positive law requires some reference to natural law. On this understanding of natural law, natural law can be invoked to criticize judicial decisions about what the law says but not to criticize the best interpretation of the law itself. Some scholars use natural law synonymously with natural justice or natural right (Latin ius naturale),[3] while others distinguish between natural law and natural right.[1]

Although natural law is often conflated with common law, the two are distinct in that natural law is a view that certain rights or values are inherent in or universally cognizable by virtue of human reason or human nature, while common law is the legal tradition whereby certain rights or values are legally cognizable by virtue of judicial recognition or articulation.[4] Natural law theories have, however, exercised a profound influence on the development of English common law,[5][full citation needed] and have featured greatly in the philosophies of Thomas Aquinas, Francisco Suárez, Richard Hooker, Thomas Hobbes, Hugo Grotius, Samuel von Pufendorf, John Locke, Francis Hutcheson, Jean Jacques Burlamaqui, and Emmerich de Vattel. Because of the intersection between natural law and natural rights, it has been cited as a component in the United States Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States, as well as in the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen. Declarationism states that the founding of the United States is based on Natural law.

History

The use of natural law, in its various incarnations, has varied widely through its history. There are a number of different theories of natural law, differing from each other with respect to the role that morality plays in determining the authority of legal norms. This article deals with its usages separately rather than attempt to unify them into a single theory.

Plato

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Although Plato does not have an explicit theory of natural law (he almost never uses the phrase natural law except in Gorgias 484 and Timaeus 83e), his concept of nature, according to John Wild, contains some of the elements found in many natural law theories.[6] According to Plato we live in an orderly universe.[7] At the basis of this orderly universe or nature are the forms, most fundamentally the Form of the Good, which Plato describes as "the brightest region of Being".[8] The Form of the Good is the cause of all things and when it is seen it leads a person to act wisely.[9] In the Symposium, the Good is closely identified with the Beautiful.[10] Also in the Symposium, Plato describes how the experience of the Beautiful by Socrates enables him to resist the temptations of wealth and sex.[11] In the Republic, the ideal community is, “...a city which would be established in accordance with nature.”[12]

Aristotle

Greek philosophy emphasized the distinction between "nature" (physis, φúσις) on the one hand and "law", "custom", or "convention" (nomos, νóμος) on the other. What the law commanded varied from place to place, but what was "by nature" should be the same everywhere. A "law of nature" would therefore have had the flavor more of a paradox than something that obviously existed.[1] Against the conventionalism that the distinction between nature and custom could engender, Socrates and his philosophic heirs, Plato and Aristotle, posited the existence of natural justice or natural right (dikaion physikon, δικαιον φυσικον, Latin ius naturale). Of these, Aristotle is often said to be the father of natural law.[3]

Aristotle's association with natural law may be due to the interpretation given to his works by Thomas Aquinas.[13] But whether Aquinas correctly read Aristotle is a disputed question. According to some, Aquinas conflates the natural law and natural right, the latter of which Aristotle posits in Book V of the Nicomachean Ethics (Book IV of the Eudemian Ethics). According to this interpretation, Aquinas's influence was such as to affect a number of early translations of these passages in an unfortunate manner, though more recent translations render them more literally.[14] Aristotle notes that natural justice is a species of political justice, viz. the scheme of distributive and corrective justice that would be established under the best political community; were this to take the form of law, this could be called a natural law, though Aristotle does not discuss this and suggests in the Politics that the best regime may not rule by law at all.[15]

The best evidence of Aristotle's having thought there was a natural law comes from the Rhetoric, where Aristotle notes that, aside from the "particular" laws that each people has set up for itself, there is a "common" law that is according to nature.[16] Specifically, he quotes Sophocles and Empedocles:

Universal law is the law of Nature. For there really is, as every one to some extent divines, a natural justice and injustice that is binding on all men, even on those who have no association or covenant with each other. It is this that Sophocles' Antigone clearly means when she says that the burial of Polyneices was a just act in spite of the prohibition: she means that it was just by nature: "Not of to-day or yesterday it is, But lives eternal: none can date its birth." And so Empedocles, when he bids us kill no living creature, says that doing this is not just for some people while unjust for others: "Nay, but, an all-embracing law, through the realms of the sky Unbroken it stretcheth, and over the earth's immensity."[17]

Some critics believe that the context of this remark suggests only that Aristotle advised that it could be rhetorically advantageous to appeal to such a law, especially when the "particular" law of one's own city was averse to the case being made, not that there actually was such a law;[3] Moreover, they claim that Aristotle considered two of the three candidates for a universally valid, natural law provided in this passage to be wrong.[1] Aristotle's theoretical paternity of the natural law tradition is consequently disputed.

Stoic natural law

The development of this tradition of natural justice into one of natural law is usually attributed to the Stoics. The rise of natural law as a universal system coincided with the rise of large empires and kingdoms in the Greek world.[18][full citation needed] Whereas the "higher" law Aristotle suggested one could appeal to was emphatically natural, in contradistinction to being the result of divine positive legislation, the Stoic natural law was indifferent to the divine or natural source of the law: the Stoics asserted the existence of a rational and purposeful order to the universe (a divine or eternal law), and the means by which a rational being lived in accordance with this order was the natural law, which spelled out action that accorded with virtue.[1]

As the historian A.J. Carlyle notes: "There is no change in political theory so startling in its completeness as the change from the theory of Aristotle to the later philosophical view represented by Cicero and Seneca.... We think that this cannot be better exemplified than with regard to the theory of the equality of human nature." [19] Charles H. McIlwain likewise observes that "the idea of the equality of men is the profoundest contribution of the Stoics to political thought" and that "its greatest influence is in the changed conception of law that in part resulted from it."[20]

Natural law first appeared among the stoics who believed that God is everywhere and in everyone. Within humans is a "divine spark" which helps them to live in accordance with nature. The stoics felt that there was a way in which the universe had been designed and natural law helped us to harmonise with this.

Marcus Tullius Cicero

Cicero wrote in his De Legibus that both justice and law derive their origin from what nature has given to man, from what the human mind embraces, from the function of man, and from what serves to unite humanity.[21] For Cicero, natural law obliges us to contribute to the general good of the larger society.[22] The purpose of positive laws is to provide for "the safety of citizens, the preservation of states, and the tranquility and happiness of human life." In this view, "wicked and unjust statutes" are "anything but 'laws,'" because "in the very definition of the term 'law' there inheres the idea and principle of choosing what is just and true."[23] Law, for Cicero, "ought to be a reformer of vice and an incentive to virtue."[24] Cicero expressed the view that "the virtues which we ought to cultivate, always tend to our own happiness, and that the best means of promoting them consists in living with men in that perfect union and charity which are cemented by mutual benefits."[22]

Cicero influenced the discussion of natural law for many centuries to come, up through the era of the American Revolution. The jurisprudence of the Roman Empire was rooted in Cicero, who held "an extraordinary grip . . . upon the imagination of posterity" as "the medium for the propagation of those ideas which informed the law and institutions of the empire."[25] Cicero's conception of natural law "found its way to later centuries notably through the writings of Saint Isidore of Seville and the Decretum of Gratian."[26] Thomas Aquinas, in his summary of medieval natural law, quoted Cicero's statement that "nature" and "custom" were the sources of a society's laws.[27]

The Renaissance Florentine chancellor Leonardo Bruni praised Cicero as the man "who carried philosophy from Greece to Italy, and nourished it with the golden river of his eloquence."[28] The legal culture of Elizabethan England, exemplified by Sir Edward Coke, was "steeped in Ciceronian rhetoric."[29] The Scottish moral philosopher Francis Hutcheson, as a student at Glasgow, "was attracted most by Cicero, for whom he always professed the greatest admiration."[30] More generally in eighteenth-century Great Britain, Cicero's name was a household word among educated people.[30] Likewise, "in the admiration of early Americans Cicero took pride of place as orator, political theorist, stylist, and moralist."[31]

The British polemicist Thomas Gordon "incorporated Cicero into the radical ideological tradition that travelled from the mother country to the colonies in the course of the eighteenth century and decisively shaped early American political culture."[32] Cicero's description of the immutable, eternal, and universal natural law was quoted by Burlamaqui[33] and later by the American revolutionary legal scholar James Wilson.[34] Cicero became John Adams's "foremost model of public service, republican virtue, and forensic eloquence."[35] Adams wrote of Cicero that "as all the ages of the world have not produced a greater statesman and philosopher united in the same character, his authority should have great weight."[36] Thomas Jefferson "first encountered Cicero as a schoolboy learning Latin, and continued to read his letters and discourses as long as he lived. He admired him as a patriot, valued his opinions as a moral philosopher, and there is little doubt that he looked upon Cicero's life, with his love of study and aristocratic country life, as a model for his own."[37] Jefferson described Cicero as "the father of eloquence and philosophy."[38]

Christian natural law

Some early Church Fathers, especially those in the West, sought to incorporate natural law into Christianity. The most notable among these was Augustine of Hippo, who equated natural law with man's prelapsarian state; as such, a life according to nature was no longer possible and men needed instead to seek salvation through the divine law and grace of Jesus Christ.

In the Twelfth Century, Gratian equated the natural law with divine law. A century later, St. Thomas Aquinas in his Summa Theologiae I-II qq. 90-106, restored Natural Law to its independent state, asserting natural law as the rational creature's participation in the eternal law.[39] Yet, since human reason could not fully comprehend the Eternal law, it needed to be supplemented by revealed Divine law. (See also Biblical law in Christianity.) Meanwhile, Aquinas taught that all human or positive laws were to be judged by their conformity to the natural law. An unjust law is not a law, in the full sense of the word. It retains merely the 'appearance' of law insofar as it is duly constituted and enforced in the same way a just law is, but is itself a 'perversion of law.'[40] At this point, the natural law was not only used to pass judgment on the moral worth of various laws, but also to determine what the law said in the first place. This principle laid the seed for possible societal tension with reference to tyrants.[41]

The natural law was inherently teleological and deontological in that although it is aimed at goodness, it is entirely focused on the ethicalness of actions, rather than the consequence. The specific content of the natural law was therefore determined by a conception of what things constituted happiness, be they temporal satisfaction or salvation. The state, in being bound by the natural law, was conceived as an institution directed at bringing its subjects to true happiness.

In the 16th century, the School of Salamanca (Francisco Suárez, Francisco de Vitoria, etc.) further developed a philosophy of natural law. After the Church of England broke from Rome, the English theologian Richard Hooker adapted Thomistic notions of natural law to Anglicanism. There are five important principles: to live, to learn, to reproduce, to worship God, and to live in an ordered society.[citation needed]

Those who see biblical support for the doctrine of natural law often point to Paul's Epistle to the Romans: "For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another. (Romans 2:14-15). The intellectual historian A.J. Carlyle has commented on this passage, "There can be little doubt that St Paul's words imply some conception analogous to the 'natural law' in Cicero, a law written in men's hearts, recognized by man's reason, a law distinct from the positive law of any State, or from what St Paul recognized as the revealed law of God. It is in this sense that St Paul's words are taken by the Fathers of the fourth and fifth centuries like St Hilary of Poitiers, St Ambrose, and St Augustine, and there seems no reason to doubt the correctness of their interpretation."[42]

English jurisprudence

Heinrich A. Rommen remarked upon "the tenacity with which the spirit of the English common law retained the conceptions of natural law and equity which it had assimilated during the Catholic Middle Ages, thanks especially to the influence of Henry de Bracton (d. 1268) and Sir John Fortescue (d. cir. 1476)."[43] Bracton's translator notes that Bracton "was a trained jurist with the principles and distinctions of Roman jurisprudence firmly in mind"; but Bracton adapted such principles to English purposes rather than copying slavishly.[44] In particular, Bracton turned the imperial Roman maxim that "the will of the prince is law" on its head, insisting that the king is under the law.[45] The legal historian Charles F. Mullett has noted Bracton's "ethical definition of law, his recognition of justice, and finally his devotion to natural rights."[46] Bracton considered justice to be the "fountain-head" from which "all rights arise."[47] For his definition of justice, Bracton quoted the twelfth-century Italian jurist Azo: "'Justice is the constant and unfailing will to give to each his right.'"[48] Bracton's work was the second legal treatise studied by the young apprentice lawyer Thomas Jefferson.[49]

Fortescue stressed "the supreme importance of the law of God and of nature" in works that "profoundly influenced the course of legal development in the following centuries."[50] The legal scholar Ellis Sandoz has noted that "the historically ancient and the ontologically higher law--eternal, divine, natural--are woven together to compose a single harmonious texture in Fortescue's account of English law."[51] As the legal historian Norman Doe explains: "Fortescue follows the general pattern set by Aquinas. The objective of every legislator is to dispose people to virtue. It is by means of law that this is accomplished. Fortescue's definition of law (also found in Accursius and Bracton), after all, was 'a sacred sanction commanding what is virtuous [honesta] and forbidding the contrary.'"[52] Fortescue cited Leonardo Bruni for his statement that "virtue alone produces happiness."[53]

Christopher St. Germain's Doctor and Student was a classic of English jurisprudence,[54] and it was thoroughly annotated by Thomas Jefferson.[55] St. Germain informs his readers that English lawyers generally don't use the phrase "law of nature," but rather use "reason" as the preferred synonym.[56][57] Norman Doe notes that St. Germain's view "is essentially Thomist," quoting Thomas Aquinas's definition of law as "an ordinance of reason made for the common good by him who has charge of the community, and promulgated."[58]

Sir Edward Coke was the preeminent jurist of his time.[59] Coke's preeminence extended across the ocean: "For the American revolutionary leaders, 'law' meant Sir Edward Coke's custom and right reason."[60] [61] Coke defined law as "perfect reason, which commands those things that are proper and necessary and which prohibits contrary things."[62] For Coke, human nature determined the purpose of law; and law was superior to any one man's reason or will.[63] Coke's discussion of natural law appears in his report of Calvin's Case (1608): "The law of nature is that which God at the time of creation of the nature of man infused into his heart, for his preservation and direction." In this case the judges found that "the ligeance or faith of the subject is due unto the King by the law of nature: secondly, that the law of nature is part of the law of England: thirdly, that the law of nature was before any judicial or municipal law: fourthly, that the law of nature is immutable." To support these findings, the assembled judges (as reported by Coke, who was one of them) cited as authorities Aristotle, Cicero, and the Apostle Paul; as well as Bracton, Fortescue, and St. Germain.[64]

As early as the thirteenth century, it was held that "the law of nature...is the ground of all laws"[65] and by the Chancellor and Judges that "it is required by the law of nature that every person, before he can be punish’d, ought to be present; and if absent by contumacy, he ought to be summoned and make default.".[66][67] Further, in 1824, we find it held that "proceedings in our Courts are founded upon the law of England, and that law is again founded upon the law of nature and the revealed law of God. If the right sought to be enforced is inconsistent with either of these, the English municipal courts cannot recognize it."[68]

American jurisprudence

The U.S. Declaration of Independence states that it has become necessary for the United States to assume "the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them". Some early American lawyers and judges perceived natural law as too tenuous, amorphous and evanescent a legal basis for grounding concrete rights and governmental limitations.[4] Natural law did, however, serve as authority for legal claims and rights in some judicial decisions, legislative acts, and legal pronouncements.[69] Robert Lowry Clinton argues that the U.S. Constitution rests on a common law foundation and the common law, in turn, rests on a classical natural law foundation.[70]

Islamic natural law

Abū Rayhān al-Bīrūnī, an Islamic scholar and polymath scientist, understood natural law as the survival of the fittest. He argued that the antagonism between human beings can only be overcome through a divine law, which he believed to have been sent through prophets. This is also the position of the Ashari school, the largest school of Sunni theology.[71] Averroes (Ibn Rushd), in his treatise on Justice and Jihad and his commentary on Plato's Republic, writes that the human mind can know of the unlawfulness of killing and stealing and thus of the five maqasid or higher intents of the Islamic sharia or to protect religion, life, property, offspring, and reason. The concept of natural law entered the mainstream of Western culture through his Aristotelian commentaries, influencing the subsequent Averroist movement and the writings of Thomas Aquinas.[72]

The Maturidi school, the second largest school of Sunni theology, posits the existence of a form of natural law. Abu Mansur al-Maturidi stated that the human mind could know of the existence of God and the major forms of 'good' and 'evil' without the help of revelation. Al-Maturidi gives the example of stealing, which is known to be evil by reason alone due to man's working hard for his property. Killing, fornication, and drinking alcohol were all 'evils' the human mind could know of according to al-Maturidi. The concept of Istislah in Islamic law bears some similarities to the natural law tradition in the West, as exemplified by Thomas Aquinas. However, whereas natural law deems good what is self-evidently good, according as it tends towards the fulfilment of the person, istislah calls good whatever is connected to one of five "basic goods". Al-Ghazali abstracted these "basic goods" from the legal precepts in the Qur'an and Sunnah: they are religion, life, reason, lineage and property. Some add also "honour". Ibn Qayyim Al-Jawziyya also posited that human reason could discern between 'great sins' and good deeds.[citation needed]

Thomas Hobbes

By the 17th Century, the Medieval teleological view came under intense criticism from some quarters. Thomas Hobbes instead founded a contractualist theory of legal positivism on what all men could agree upon: what they sought (happiness) was subject to contention, but a broad consensus could form around what they feared (violent death at the hands of another). The natural law was how a rational human being, seeking to survive and prosper, would act. Natural law, therefore, was discovered by considering humankind's natural rights, whereas previously it could be said that natural rights were discovered by considering the natural law. In Hobbes' opinion, the only way natural law could prevail was for men to submit to the commands of the sovereign. Because the ultimate source of law now comes from the sovereign, and the sovereign's decisions need not be grounded in morality, legal positivism is born. Jeremy Bentham's modifications on legal positivism further developed the theory.

As used by Thomas Hobbes in his treatises Leviathan and De Cive, natural law is "a precept, or general rule, found out by reason, by which a man is forbidden to do that which is destructive of his life, or takes away the means of preserving the same; and to omit that by which he thinks it may best be preserved."[73]

According to Hobbes, there are nineteen Laws. The first two are expounded in chapter XIV of Leviathan ("of the first and second natural laws; and of contracts"); the others in chapter XV ("of other laws of nature").
The first Law of nature is that every man ought to endeavour peace, as far as he has hope of obtaining it; and when he cannot obtain it, that he may seek and use all helps and advantages of war.
The second Law of nature is that a man be willing, when others are so too, as far forth, as for peace, and defence of himself he shall think it necessary, to lay down this right to all things; and be contented with so much liberty against other men, as he would allow other men against himself.
The third Law is that men perform their covenants made. In this law of nature consisteth the fountain and original of justice... when a covenant is made, then to break it is unjust and the definition of injustice is no other than the not performance of covenant. And whatsoever is not unjust is just.
The fourth Law is that a man which receiveth benefit from another of mere grace, endeavour that he which giveth it, have no reasonable cause to repent him of his good will. Breach of this law is called ingratitude.
The fifth Law is complaisance: that every man strive to accommodate himself to the rest. The observers of this law may be called sociable; the contrary, stubborn, insociable, froward, intractable.
The sixth Law is that upon caution of the future time, a man ought to pardon the offences past of them that repenting, desire it.
The seventh Law is that in revenges, men look not at the greatness of the evil past, but the greatness of the good to follow.
The eighth Law is that no man by deed, word, countenance, or gesture, declare hatred or contempt of another. The breach of which law is commonly called contumely.
The ninth Law is that every man acknowledge another for his equal by nature. The breach of this precept is pride.
The tenth law is that at the entrance into the conditions of peace, no man require to reserve to himself any right, which he is not content should be reserved to every one of the rest. The breach of this precept is arrogance, and observers of the precept are called modest.
The eleventh law is that if a man be trusted to judge between man and man, that he deal equally between them.
The twelfth law is that such things as cannot be divided, be enjoyed in common, if it can be; and if the quantity of the thing permit, without stint; otherwise proportionably to the number of them that have right.
The thirteenth law is the entire right, or else...the first possession (in the case of alternating use), of a thing that can neither be divided nor enjoyed in common should be determined by lottery.
The fourteenth law is that those things which cannot be enjoyed in common, nor divided, ought to be adjudged to the first possessor; and in some cases to the first born, as acquired by lot.
The fifteenth law is that all men that mediate peace be allowed safe conduct.
The sixteenth law is that they that are at controversie, submit their Right to the judgement of an Arbitrator.
The seventeenth law is that no man is a fit Arbitrator in his own cause.
The eighteenth law is that no man should serve as a judge in a case if greater profit, or honour, or pleasure apparently ariseth [for him] out of the victory of one party, than of the other.
The nineteenth law is that in a disagreement of fact, the judge should not give more weight to the testimony of one party than another, and absent other evidence, should give credit to the testimony of other witnesses.

Hobbes's philosophy includes a frontal assault on the founding principles of the earlier natural legal tradition,[74] disregarding the traditional association of virtue with happiness,[75] and likewise re-defining "law" to remove any notion of the promotion of the common good.[76] Hobbes has no use for Aristotle's association of nature with human perfection, inverting Aristotle's use of the word "nature." Hobbes posits a primitive, unconnected state of nature in which men, having a "natural proclivity...to hurt each other" also have "a Right to every thing, even to one anothers body";[77] and "nothing can be Unjust" in this "warre of every man against every man" in which human life is "solitary, poore, nasty, brutish, and short."[78] Rejecting Cicero's view that men join in society primarily through "a certain social spirit which nature has implanted in man,"[79] Hobbes declares that men join in society simply for the purpose of "getting themselves out from that miserable condition of Warre, which is necessarily consequent...to the naturall Passions of men, when there is no visible Power to keep them in awe."[80] As part of his campaign against the classical idea of natural human sociability, Hobbes inverts that fundamental natural legal maxim, the Golden Rule. Hobbes's version is "Do not that to another, which thou wouldst not have done to thy selfe."[81]

Cumberland's rebuttal of Hobbes

The English cleric Richard Cumberland wrote a lengthy and influential attack on Hobbes's depiction of individual self-interest as the essential feature of human motivation. Historian Knud Haakonssen has noted that in the eighteenth century, Cumberland was commonly placed alongside Hugo Grotius and Samuel Pufendorf "in the triumvirate of seventeenth-century founders of the 'modern' school of natural law."[82] The eighteenth-century philosophers Shaftesbury and Hutcheson "were obviously inspired in part by Cumberland."[83] Historian Jon Parkin likewise describes Cumberland's work as "one of the most important works of ethical and political theory of the seventeenth century."[84] Parkin observes that much of Cumberland's material "is derived from Roman Stoicism, particularly from the work of Cicero, as "Cumberland deliberately cast his engagement with Hobbes in the mould of Cicero's debate between the Stoics, who believed that nature could provide an objective morality, and Epicureans, who argued that morality was human, conventional and self-interested." [85] In doing so, Cumberland de-emphasized the overlay of Christian dogma (in particular, the doctrine of "original sin" and the corresponding presumption that humans are incapable of "perfecting" themselves without divine intervention) that had accreted to natural law in the Middle Ages.

By way of contrast to Hobbes's multiplicity of laws, Cumberland states in the very first sentence of his Treatise of the Laws of Nature that "all the Laws of Nature are reduc'd to that one, of Benevolence toward all Rationals." [86] He later clarifies: "By the name Rationals I beg leave to understand, as well God as Man; and I do it upon the Authority of Cicero." Cumberland argues that the mature development ("perfection") of human nature involves the individual human willing and acting for the common good.[87] For Cumberland, human interdependence precludes Hobbes's natural right of each individual to wage war against all the rest for personal survival. However, Haakonssen warns against reading Cumberland as a proponent of "enlightened self-interest." Rather, the "proper moral love of humanity" is "a disinterested love of God through love of humanity in ourselves as well as others."[88] Cumberland concludes that actions "principally conducive to our Happiness" are those that promote "the Honour and Glory of God" and also "Charity and Justice towards men."[89] Cumberland emphasizes that desiring the well-being of our fellow humans is essential to the "pursuit of our own Happiness."[90] He cites "reason" as the authority for his conclusion that happiness consists in "the most extensive Benevolence," but he also mentions as "Essential Ingredients of Happiness" the "Benevolent Affections," meaning "Love and Benevolence towards others," as well as "that Joy, which arises from their Happiness."[91]

Liberal natural law

Hugo Grotius

Liberal natural law grew out of the medieval Christian natural law theories and out of Hobbes' revision of natural law, sometimes in an uneasy balance of the two. Hugo Grotius based his philosophy of international law on natural law. In particular, his writings on freedom of the seas and just war theory directly appealed to natural law. About natural law itself, he wrote that "even the will of an omnipotent being cannot change or abrogate" natural law, which "would maintain its objective validity even if we should assume the impossible, that there is no God or that he does not care for human affairs." (De iure belli ac pacis, Prolegomeni XI). This is the famous argument etiamsi daremus (non esse Deum), that made natural law no longer dependent on theology. However, German church-historians Ernst Wolf and M. Elze disagreed and claimed that Grotius' concept of natural law did have a theological basis.[92] In Grotius' view, the Old Testament contained moral precepts (e.g. the Decalogue) which Christ confirmed and therefore were still valid. Moreover, they were useful in explaining the content of natural law. Both biblical revelation and natural law originated in God and could therefore not contradict each other.[93]

In a similar way, Samuel Pufendorf gave natural law a theological foundation and applied it to his concepts of government and international law.[94]

John Locke incorporated natural law into many of his theories and philosophy, especially in Two Treatises of Government. There is considerable debate about whether his conception of natural law was more akin to that of Aquinas (filtered through Richard Hooker) or Hobbes' radical reinterpretation, though the effect of Locke's understanding is usually phrased in terms of a revision of Hobbes upon Hobbesean contractualist grounds. Locke turned Hobbes' prescription around, saying that if the ruler went against natural law and failed to protect "life, liberty, and property," people could justifiably overthrow the existing state and create a new one.[95]

While Locke spoke in the language of natural law, the content of this law was by and large protective of natural rights, and it was this language that later liberal thinkers preferred. Political philosopher Jeremy Waldron has pointed out that Locke's political thought was based on "a particular set of Protestant Christian assumptions."[96] To Locke, the content of natural law was identical with biblical ethics as laid down especially in the Decalogue, Christ's teaching and exemplary life, and St. Paul's admonitions.[97] Locke derived the concept of basic human equality, including the equality of the sexes ("Adam and Eve"), from Genesis 1, 26-28, the starting-point of the theological doctrine of Imago Dei.[98] One of the consequences is that as all humans are created equally free, governments need the consent of the governed.[99] Thomas Jefferson, arguably echoing Locke, appealed to unalienable rights in the Declaration of Independence, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."[100] The Lockean idea that governments need the consent of the governed was also fundamental to the Declaration of Independence, as the American Revolutionaries used it as justification for their separation from the British crown.[101]

The Belgian philosopher of law Frank van Dun is one among those who are elaborating a secular conception [2] of natural law in the liberal tradition. Libertarian theorist Murray Rothbard argues that "the very existence of a natural law discoverable by reason is a potentially powerful threat to the status quo and a standing reproach to the reign of blindly traditional custom or the arbitrary will of the State apparatus."[102] Ludwig von Mises states that he relaid the general sociological and economic foundations of the liberal doctrine upon utilitarianism, rather than natural law, but R.A. Gonce argues that "the reality of the argument constituting his system overwhelms his denial."[103] David Gordon notes, "When most people speak of natural law, what they have in mind is the contention that morality can be derived from human nature. If human beings are rational animals of such-and-such a sort, then the moral virtues are...(filling in the blanks is the difficult part)."[104]

However, a secular critique of the natural law doctrine was stated by Pierre Charron in his De la sagesse (1601): "The sign of a natural law must be the universal respect in which it is held, for if there was anything that nature had truly commanded us to do, we would undoubtedly obey it universally: not only would every nation respect it, but every individual. Instead there is nothing in the world that is not subject to contradiction and dispute, nothing that is not rejected, not just by one nation, but by many; equally, there is nothing that is strange and (in the opinion of many) unnatural that is not approved in many countries, and authorized by their customs."

Contemporary Christian understanding

Thomas Aquinas

The Roman Catholic Church holds the view of natural law set forth by Thomas Aquinas,[105] particularly in his Summa Theologica, and often as filtered through the School of Salamanca. This view is also shared by some Protestant churches,[106] and was delineated by C.S. Lewis in his works Mere Christianity and The Abolition of Man.[107]

The Catholic Church understands human beings to consist of body and mind, the physical and the non-physical (or soul perhaps), and that the two are inextricably linked.[108] Humans are capable of discerning the difference between good and evil because they have a conscience.[109] There are many manifestations of the good that we can pursue. Some, like procreation, are common to other animals, while others, like the pursuit of truth, are inclinations peculiar to the capacities of human beings.[110] Some contemporary Catholic theologians, such as John Wijngaards, dispute the Magisterium's interpretation of Natural Law as applied to specific points of sexual ethics, such as in the areas of contraceptives and homosexual unions.[111]

To know what is right, one must use one's reason and apply it to Aquinas' precepts. This reason is believed to be embodied, in its most abstract form, in the concept of a primary precept: "Good is to be sought, evil avoided."[112] St. Thomas explains that:

there belongs to the natural law, first, certain most general precepts, that are known to all; and secondly, certain secondary and more detailed precepts, which are, as it were, conclusions following closely from first principles. As to those general principles, the natural law, in the abstract, can nowise be blotted out from men's hearts. But it is blotted out in the case of a particular action, insofar as reason is hindered from applying the general principle to a particular point of practice, on account of concupiscence or some other passion, as stated above (77, 2). But as to the other, i.e., the secondary precepts, the natural law can be blotted out from the human heart, either by evil persuasions, just as in speculative matters errors occur in respect of necessary conclusions; or by vicious customs and corrupt habits, as among some men, theft, and even unnatural vices, as the Apostle states (Rm. i), were not esteemed sinful.[113]

However, while the primary and immediate precepts cannot be "blotted out", the secondary precepts can be. Therefore, for a deontological ethical theory they are open to a surprisingly large amount of interpretation and flexibility. Any rule that helps man to live up to the primary or subsidiary precepts can be a secondary precept, for example:

Drunkenness is wrong because it injures one's health, and worse, destroys one's ability to reason, which is fundamental to man as a rational animal (i.e. does not support self-preservation). Theft is wrong because it destroys social relations, and man is by nature a social animal (i.e. does not support the subsidiary precept of living in society).

Natural moral law is concerned with both exterior and interior acts, also known as action and motive. Simply doing the right thing is not enough; to be truly moral one's motive must be right as well. For example, helping an old lady across the road (good exterior act) to impress someone (bad interior act) is wrong. However, good intentions don't always lead to good actions. The motive must coincide with the cardinal or theological virtues. Cardinal virtues are acquired through reason applied to nature; they are:

1.Prudence
2.Justice
3.Temperance
4.Fortitude

The theological virtues are:

1.Faith
2.Hope
3.Charity

According to Aquinas, to lack any of these virtues is to lack the ability to make a moral choice. For example, consider a man who possesses the virtues of justice, prudence, and fortitude, yet lacks temperance. Due to his lack of self-control and desire for pleasure, despite his good intentions, he will find himself swaying from the moral path.

I just started reading The God Shaped Brain by Timothy R. Jennings, M.D. http://www.amazon.com/The-God-Shaped-Brain-Changing-Transforms/dp/0830834168/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1375389240&sr=8-1&keywords=god+shaped+brain This book might shed light upon the subject of 'Natural Law'. Natural Law continued In contemporary jurisprudence. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_law

In jurisprudence, natural law can refer to the several doctrines:

That just laws are immanent in nature; that is, they can be "discovered" or "found" but not "created" by such things as a bill of rights;
That they can emerge by the natural process of resolving conflicts, as embodied by the evolutionary process of the common law; or
That the meaning of law is such that its content cannot be determined except by reference to moral principles. These meanings can either oppose or complement each other, although they share the common trait that they rely on inherence as opposed to design in finding just laws.

Whereas legal positivism would say that a law can be unjust without it being any less a law, a natural law jurisprudence would say that there is something legally deficient about an unjust law. Legal interpretivism, famously defended in the English speaking world by Ronald Dworkin, claims to have a position different from both natural law and positivism.

Besides utilitarianism and Kantianism, natural law jurisprudence has in common with virtue ethics that it is a live option for a first principles ethics theory in analytic philosophy.

The concept of natural law was very important in the development of the English common law. In the struggles between Parliament and the monarch, Parliament often made reference to the Fundamental Laws of England, which were at times said to embody natural law principles since time immemorial and set limits on the power of the monarchy. According to William Blackstone, however, natural law might be useful in determining the content of the common law and in deciding cases of equity, but was not itself identical with the laws of England. Nonetheless, the implication of natural law in the common law tradition has meant that the great opponents of natural law and advocates of legal positivism, like Jeremy Bentham, have also been staunch critics of the common law.

Natural law jurisprudence is currently undergoing a period of reformulation (as is legal positivism). The most prominent contemporary natural law jurist, Australian John Finnis, is based in Oxford, but there are also Americans Germain Grisez, Robert P. George, and Canadian Joseph Boyle. All have tried to construct a new version of natural law. The 19th-century anarchist and legal theorist, Lysander Spooner, was also a figure in the expression of modern natural law.

"New Natural Law" as it is sometimes called, originated with Grisez. It focuses on "basic human goods," such as human life, knowledge, and aesthetic experience, which are self-evidently and intrinsically worthwhile, and states that these goods reveal themselves as being incommensurable with one another.

The tensions between the natural law and the positive law have played, and continue to play a key role in the development of international law.[114]

See also

Aristotle
Antigone
Thomas Aquinas
Jean Barbeyrac
Richard Cumberland
Declarationism
John Finnis
Henry George
Robert P. George
Hugo Grotius
Thomas Hobbes
International legal theory
Land Value Taxation
John Locke
Legal positivism
Lysander Spooner
Moral realism
Natural justice
Natural order
Natural rights
Naturalistic fallacy
Non-aggression principle
Objectivism (philosophy)
Orders of creation
Samuel von Pufendorf
Social contract
Purposive theory
Rule of law
Rule according to higher law
School of Salamanca
Spontaneous order
Stoicism
Substantive due process
Unenumerated rights
Universality (philosophy)
White Rose Society
Xeer

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7.^ Plato, Gorgias 508a.
8.^ Plato, The Republic, 518b–d.
9.^ Plato, The Republic, 540a, 517b–d.
10.^ Plato, Symposium, 205e–6a.
11.^ Plato, Symposium, 211d–e.
12.^ Plato, The Republic, 428e9.
13.^ Jaffa, Harry (1979) [1952]. Thomism and Aristotelianism. Westport, CT: Greenwood Press.
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15.^ Corbett, Ross J. (Summer 2009). "The Question of Natural Law in Aristotle". History of Political Thought 30 (2): 229–50.
16.^ Aristotle, Rhetoric 1373b2–8.
17.^ Aristotle, Rhetoric, Book I - Chapter 13, http://rhetoric.eserver.org/aristotle/rhet1-13.html
18.^ Lloyd's Introduction to Jurisprudence Seventh Edition.
19.^ Carlyle, A.J. (1903). A History of Medieval Political Theory in the West, vol. 1. Edinburgh. pp. 8–9.
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21.^ Cicero, De Legibus, bk. 1, sec. 16–17.
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24.^ Cicero, De Legibus (Keyes translation), bk. 1, sec. 58.
25.^ Cochrane, Charles Norris (1957). Christianity and Classical Culture: A Study of Thought and Action from Augustus to Augustine. New York: Oxford University Press. p. 39.
26.^ Corwin, Edward S. (1955). The "Higher Law" Background of American Constitutional Law. Ithaca, NY: Cornell University Press. pp. 17–18.
27.^ Thomas Aquinas, Treatise on Law (Summa Theologica, Questions 90-97), ed. Stanley Parry (Chicago: Henry Regnery Company, 1969), p. 18
28.^ Quoted in Quentin Skinner, The Foundations of Modern Political Thought(Cambridge, 1978), vol. 1, p.89.
29.^ Boyer, Allen D. (2004), "Sir Edward Coke, Ciceronianus: Classical Rhetoric and the Common Law Tradition", in Allen D. Boyer, Law, Liberty, and Parliament: Selected Essays on the Writings of Sir Edward Coke, Indianapolis: Liberty Fund, pp. 224–25
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40.^ Summa Theologicae, Q. 95, A. 2.
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56.^ Doctor and Student, bk. 1, ch. 5.
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60.^ John Phillip Reid, In a Defiant Stance: The Conditions of Law in Massachusetts Bay, The Irish Comparison, and the Coming of the American Revolution (University Park, Penn.: The Pennsylvania State University Press, 1977), 71.
61.^ Thomas Jefferson wrote to James Madison in 1826 that before the Revolution, the first volume of Coke's Institutes of the Laws of England "was the universal elementary book of law students, and a sounder Whig never wrote, nor of profounder learning in the orthodox doctrines of the British constitution, or in what were called English liberties." See The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, vol. 16, p. 155.
62.^ John Underwood Lewis, "Sir Edward Coke (1552-1634): His Theory of 'Artificial Reason' as a Context for Modern Basic Legal Theory," in Law, Liberty, and Parliament: Selected Essays on the Writings of Sir Edward Coke, ed. Allen D. Boyer (Indianapolis: Liberty Fund, 2004), pp. 108-109; citing Edward Coke, First Part of the Institutes, 319b.
63.^ Lewis, "Sir Edward Coke (1552-1634): His Theory of 'Artificial Reason' as a Context for Modern Basic Legal Theory,", p. 120.
64.^ Sir Edward Coke, The Selected Writings and Speeches of Sir Edward Coke, ed. Steve Sheppard (Indianapolis: Liberty Fund, 2003), vol. 1, pp. 195-97.
65.^ 8 Edw 4 fol. 12
66.^ 9 Ed. 4 fol. 14
67.^ Fort. 206
68.^ 2 B. & C. 471
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74.^ Paul A. Rahe, Republics Ancient and Modern: Classical Republicanism and the American Revolution (Chapel Hill, 1992), pp. 372-73
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77.^ Thomas Hobbes, De Cive (The Citizen), ed. Sterling P. Lamprecht (New York, 1949; orig. 1642), ch. 2, sec. 2 (p. 29).
78.^ Thomas Hobbes, Leviathan, or the Matter, Forme, & Power of a Common-Wealth Ecclesiasticall and Civill (Mineola, N.Y., 2006; orig. 1651), pt. 1, ch. 14 (p. 72); p. 1, ch. 13 (pp. 21, 70).
79.^ Cicero, De re publica (Keyes translation), bk. 1, ch. 25, sec. 39
80.^ Hobbes, Leviathan, pt. 2, ch. 17 (p. 93)
81.^ Hobbes, Leviathan, pt. 1, ch. 15 (p. 79)(emphasis in original). See also Rahe, Republics Ancient and Modern, p. 387.
82.^ Knud Haakonssen, "The Character and Obligation of Natural Law according to Richard Cumberland," in English Philosophy in the Age of Locke, ed. M.A. Stewart (Oxford, 2000), 29.
83.^ Haakonssen, Natural Law and Moral Philosophy: From Grotius to the Scottish Enlightenment (Cambridge, 1996), 51.
84.^ Jon Parkin, Science, Religion and Politics in Restoration England: Richard Cumberland's De Legibus Naturae (Bury St. Edmunds, United Kingdom, 1999), 8.
85.^ Parkin, 8.
86.^ Richard Cumberland, A Treatise of the Laws of Nature, trans. John Maxwell (Indianapolis, 2005; orig. 1727), "Contents" (p. 237). Cumberland's treatise was originally published in Latin in 1672. A Latin edition was published in Germany in 1684.
87.^ Cumberland, ch. 1, sec. 33 (p. 356)
88.^ Haakonssen, "The Character and Obligation of Natural Law according to Richard Cumberland," pp. 34, 35.
89.^ Cumberland, ch. 5, sec. 13 (pp. 523-24).
90.^ Cumberland, ch. 5, sec. 12 (p. 525)
91.^ Cumberland, ch. 5, sec. 15 (pp. 527-28).
92.^ Ernst Wolf, Naturrecht, in Die Religion in Geschichte und Gegenwart, 3. Auflage, Band IV (1960), Tübingen (Germany), col. 1357
93.^ M. Elze, Grotius, Hugo, in Die Religion in Geschichte und Gegenwart, 3. Auflage, Band II (1958), col. 1885
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95.^ John Locke, Two Treatises of Government, Second Treatise, Chapter 13, §149
96.^ Jeremy Waldron (2002), God, Locke, and Equality: Christian Foundations in Locke's Political Thought. Cambridge University Press, p. 13
97.^ Jeremy Waldron, God, Locke, and Equality, pp. 12-15, 45-46, 95-97, 195-198, 230
98.^ Jeremy Waldron, God, Locke, and Equailiy, pp. 21-43
99.^ Jeremy Waldron, God, Locke, and Equality, p. 136
100.^ Pangle, The Spirit of Modern Republicanism (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1988), 209.
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104.^ Gordon, David, Review of In Defense of Natural Law by Robert George, Ludwig von Mises Institute
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113.^ Summa Theologica I-II, Q. 94, A. 6.
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I would suggest we dont even know what reason looks like.  All of reasons energy is being used to lubricate the machines synaptic clefts for self actualization.  I would compare it to a black hole.  It has force and weight and its magnetizing people to conform to its resonance.
But I agree natural law is good if we can get there.

The whole premise behind this thread is that there is another level of civilization which rules humanity, which is smarter than mankind, with more resources than mankind, and with a completely different system of religion and governance. This is not to imply that they are God with a Big-G -- but rather Gods and Goddesses who MIGHT be at war with BOTH God (with a Big-G) and with Humanity. They could be Gizeh-Intelligence (or whoever the Nazis, the Masons, the Vatican, the City of London, the Monarchy, the United Nations, the Elites, et al REALLY deal with in secret). I'm trying to be neutral toward this hypothetical phenomenon. Without knowing my level of Karmic-Debt, it might not be wise for me to cast too many stones. I'm seeing Humanity as seemingly being a Herd of Lemmings in Quickening Mode. However, if one stops to reflect upon the madness, they get run over by the stampeding sheeple. I am SO hamstrung and fatigued. I'd actually rather be dealing with THIS!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HHz-INVUhk OR THIS!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZEl8d-RE4M BTW -- I wonder how many of us would be here if it weren't for Bill and Kerry. I'm not a Bill and Kerry basher -- but I never felt that they were really friendly toward the humble rank and file posters. Cool!!!! I just saw a group of Fighter-Jets fly by!!!

What do you think about this?? 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOj76xrG62k 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rED-YiDYG00 3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksGY8q_UBJk 4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxR1NrlH0zE 5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujYH6H4z6Oc 6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WhbP3JHqJw I am NOT endorsing these videos!! As you all know, I post a wide variety of perspectives, to attempt to make all of us think. Consider studying Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Solomon, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Lamentations, Ezekiel, and Daniel -- as sort of a Testament within the Old Testament -- and as of a Road Less Travelled -- which MIGHT not have been messed-with as much as some other Biblical Books MIGHT have been. Just a thought. I'm NOT trying to spoon-feed you with answers. I am merely providing a somewhat strange study-guide, to possibly assist those who are already way down the rabbit-hole. I am NOT trying to spoil the faith of the Faithful. Can you even begin to imagine the response to my posting if I posted this stuff on a Christian Website??? OMG!!! This does NOT mean that I'm NOT a Christian -- or that I don't believe in God. I'm simply taking contrarian approaches, in order to consider all of the possibilities -- even those which seem absurd and ridiculous. This madness is NOT intended for the General Public. I do NOT talk about this stuff in public -- other than on this small and select website -- where I perceive that I am mostly ignored (and even hated).  

I am truly NOT dangerous in any conventional sense -- but I certainly don't know who I might really be on a soul-level. I MIGHT be more of a threat (to someone) than I think I might be. I might scare myself if I knew the truth about myself. I could pursue that FoIA thing (I never received a reply from my request submitted approximately one year ago), but perhaps it is better NOT to know. The PTB are NOT tripping over each other to tell me the truth -- and I think I might know why -- but I'm NOT going to talk about it!! I am frankly preparing myself for as many possibilities as possible. I just think this solar system (and everyone in it) is SO screwed. A promotion (as I keep joking about) would only multiply the problems and perplexities. I'm trying to imagine being part of an Ethical and Righteous Gizeh Intelligence. I really don't wish to be too specific regarding this fantasy -- which is a major reason why I am going silent at the end of this month. It's too nerve-wracking and potentially-dangerous to keep blurting-out this and that theory. I have hinted at a lot of things -- and given all of you tools to work with -- to build a new tomorrow, on plans we make today. Just keep researching and responding responsibly. Here is a roommate-candidate for that room with a supercomputer!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzjkBwZtxp4

Take a look at this Phobos portion of Richard Hoagland's website. http://www.enterprisemission.com/Phobos2.html I will continue to be open, yet critical, regarding this sort of thing. I've done a lot of joking about Phobos and the Dracs, but this could be a very serious matter. I prefer to keep treating all of this solar system stuff (SSS) as science-fiction. When I don't really know the truth, I will continue to be somewhat irreverent and sarcastic. We need to keep asking the hard questions. At this point, I'm more interested in Phobos than I am in Nibiru, simply because Phobos has been close to us for so long, and we have had so many spacecraft doing flybys. Actually, the Secret Space Program probably has unconventional craft going to Phobos all the time! There has to be a helluva lot of classified information on Phobos! Hopefully, some of this info will start leaking and seeping out of the agencies who are 'protecting' us from the horrors of the universe, and there probably are legion horrors to look forward to. The Moon and Phobos are probably excellent 'spaceships' to focus upon. They could be 'practice' for Nibiru, and who knows what else is out there? I guess I'm trying to learn how to think clearly, while in a state of petrifying horror, if you know what I mean. I guess I'm practicing for I know not what. There really is no security or reward in this line of voluntary madness. It's really a labor of insanity, but somebody's gotta do it.

I like what Richard wrote about Phobos, but he speaks as though whoever was within Phobos is no longer there, and that we will be free to plunder and scavenge as we please. I tend to think that Phobos is occupied with those who are related to us, at least on a soul-level, and that the advanced technology is ancient technology, which might be our own. I'm sensing that a lot of technology stealing has occurred, or the stealing of 'fire' from the gods. I further think that a lot of this technology is already in the underground bases, and some of it might be most of the 'modern' technology we use each and every day. Theology and Star Wars should not be minimized when discussing the Moon, Phobos, Iapetus, and Advanced Technology. I worry that we can't even handle the technology which we already possess. I also worry that the nukes and other weapons of mass-destruction might not be under the control of human beings. The military-industrial complex might not have been for the benefit of human beings. Perhaps just the opposite. What if none of the advanced spacecraft, underground bases, and weapons of mass-destruction were intended to benefit the human-race, in any way, shape, or form? What if we really are slaves who are so stupid that we think we are in control, when we are just prisoners on a prison-planet in rebellion??? What if we have built up the solar system real nice - for someone else? What if they don't like to share? Think about it. I have been working toward the establishment of a United States of the Solar System, but I don't know what the hell is really going on. How would I ever know when I was finally being told the true story? If, I have appeared to be somewhat rude and ungrateful, it's because I have a HUGE crisis of confidence. I am so disillusioned and despondant regarding the state of affairs in this solar system, that it will take a series of major miracles to cheer me up. 'Everything is Fine' is going to be a VERY hard sell. I'm expecting nothing but trouble for a very long time. Promising me a rose-garden won't get me to walk happily and stupidly down the primrose path. Trust me.
What would be the harm in studying world-government, the solar system, and watching science-fiction - in a non-paranoid and non-conspiratorial frame of mind? Also, what would be the harm in studying reptiles and mammals, without necessarily thinking about reptilian humanoids? This sort of relates to the idea of a University of Solar System Studies and Governance. I'd like to make this whole thing be an academic pursuit, rather than a sneaking around in the mountains with guns, ammo, constitutions, and bandanas - waiting for the Feds, the Chinese, the UN Troops, and the Aliens - if you know what I mean. I continue to like the idea of multidisciplinary studies, rather than getting into a rut on any one subject. I might do some posting, but I think I'm going to lay-off of the Namaste Constititutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System thing for a while. I've ridden that dead-horse for long enough. I'm going to study the Moon, Phobos, the SS, the Jesuits, and Gizeh-Intelligence for a while. That oughtta keep me out of trouble!!!! That oughtta make them stop watching me for a while!!!!!! That oughtta get me off the Red-List!!!!! Here's more. A lot more.

Interstellar War and Genetic Hybridization are sort of at the center of my speculations. I obviously want peace, but not at any price. I'm very concerned about deception by both the good and bad guys and gals. I'd sort of like to get to the truth with all deliberate speed, regardless of how brutal the gang of facts (gang of dracs?) are. I keep getting the impression that we all came here in other than human form (as the Orion Group?), and engaged in genetic hybridization, advanced technology development, and the inevitable rivalries and jealousies, leading to Star Wars in Heaven (or at least in the Solar System). I think that the whole Nazi-Phenomenon might be quite revealing regarding this subject. I think we might be in the middle of a continuing Star War. The SS, the Jesuits, and Gizeh-Intelligence are of interest to me. I smell smoke, but I'm not sure I really want to see the fire. It might be quite blinding. It feels as though we have a somewhat out of control situation, which I would like to see become safe and sane, for all concerned. Here is the truth about Aliens, Nibiru, 2012, Lucifer, and the USSS Namaste aka Phobos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u810PTA5Tc&NR=1 The secret government doesn't want you to know about this! After viewing this explosive video, they will stop at nothing to stop you! You know too much! What's that helicopter doing over my house? Why are they pounding on my front-door! Aaaaaaaaaagh!!!!!!!

Imagine being in a room with 100 of the best and brightest individuals in the solar system - discussing solar system governance issues. What might that be like? Is this the way it should be? But how would one ensure that you really had the 100 best and brightest individuals? How would one keep this group from becoming cold, hard, cynical, and corrupt? So many things start out looking so very promising, and then they go to hell in a hurry. Would an Idealized Queen of Heaven really be the best final authority? Imagine dealing with an Uber Competent Queen of Heaven in a Temple Palace on the Moon. What might that be like? If they were really, really good - that would be an exhilarating experience, especially if they were really, really sexy!! But what if they made Bloody Mary look like Mother Teresa? How about Kali or Hathor on a bad day?? Think about it. The human race should be treated with dignity and respect, and be given appropriate levels of responsibility, but does there need to be a theocratic authority of last resort? If people are treated like children, they're going to act like children. But, on the other hand, if they are allowed to run wild, they might exterminate themselves rather quickly. Where is the happy medium or proper balance point in all of this governance madness? I really just want things to operate properly, and for wars, starvation, gross-injustice, etc. to be completely eliminated. The drama should be kept to an absolute minimum. There are probably hundreds of viable models of solar system governance, which would work just fine, but a Theocratically Implemented United States of the Solar System is the one I'm going to run with, until I find something better, and I am open to being shown something better. But it better be really good! This thread is not born of arrogance and superiority, but rather of insecurity and inferiority. I'm really just trying to make sense out of things, so as to try to help make things better for everyone. I like a mixture of the royal model, the servant model, formality, informality, democracy, and theocracy. Even if there has been historical and contemporary governmental malfeasance, a new team might not be much better. I really am trying to understand that which has been hidden from the goyim and commoners. I hate having to keep guessing about all of this, but when I really find out the truth, I might hate myself regarding my historical reincarnational role in the troubles which have plagued this solar system. Ignorance is bliss, right?

I deal in possibilities and probabilities, and I also mostly connect dots to information which has been revealed by others. But I do this very passively, and only on this little forum. I think most of those who read what I write, know a lot more than I do, even though they rarely comment. I have no credentials, so my credibility is zero. Even if I'm mostly right, the impact is probably close to zero. It's not like I've been given the grand-tour by a group of Dracs and Tall, Long-Nosed Greys, and then told not to tell anyone. I really don't know, but I worry constantly, and I suspect deception and foul-play on a grand scale. And no, it's not worth it, but I do it anyway. It might be of some benefit to someone, somehow, somewhere, somewhen. This is sort of like 'Mr. Smith Goes to Phobos'. This is honestly an attempt to reconstruct a badly shattered faith, but it obviously is not working. They promised me a rose-garden. They lied. I'm not complaining about the primrose path. It's what's at the end of the path that troubles me. The light at the end of the tunnel might be an oncoming magneto-leviton train travelling at mach 2. They never promised me a rose-garden in Avalon or the Mists of Avalon, and I don't expect one here, or on Phobos, for that matter. But the truth of our predicament seems to have been carefully hidden by both the good guys and the bad guys. They all have their reasons. But it seems to me that the time has come for the truth to be tactfully revealed to everyone, regardless of whether satisfactory solutions can be achieved, or not. My continued speculation might prepare myself and others for whatever horrors await us, just around the corner. I'm trying to keep all of this in the realm of science-fiction, and mostly for a morbid sort of entertainment. If someone becomes upset by this, they can be consoled that I'm just a stupid crackpot conspiracy theorist, rather than a credentialed whistleblower. If the Mists of Avalon gets taken down, perhaps we can start the Fog of Phobos...

I GET HOW THIS THING WORKS. IF YOU'RE QUALIFIED - YOU'RE COMPROMISED. IF YOU'RE NOT COMPROMIZED - YOU'RE NOT QUALIFIED. RIGHT? RECRUIT 'EM - OR REMOVE 'EM. RIGHT? PRETTY GOOD WAY TO CONTROL THE SITUATION - ISN'T IT? THOSE WHO TALK, DON'T KNOW. THOSE WHO KNOW, DON'T TALK. RIGHT? GO COMPLETELY IGNORANT SCIENCE FICTION WRITERS! THE PIOUS ZOMBIES SHALL INHERIT THE EARTH! I NEED TO SHUT-UP!
Regardless of what has transpired throughout history, there is probably no simple and easy way to manage a solar system, past, present, or future, especially when very high technology is involved. I think a lot of people are experiencing future-shock and an information overload. There is a loss of innocence and security. We are hurtling through space on a spaceship filled with weapons of mass-destruction, and who knows what horrors lurk throughout the solar system? We have been lied to by the preachers, politicians, scientists, banksters, et al, and it seems that there is a corrupt and deceptive core to this world and solar system. But what is one to do, when to rule men it is necessary to deceive them? I'm just very worried about all of the problems which seem to have been deliberately perpetrated against humanity. I don't expect things to ever be perfect, but I think they could be a helluva lot better than they have been, or are presently. The principles and concepts presented in this thread could help achieve a better solar system, but I know there are many other ways to improve things. I need to let all of this settle in my soul. I am worried about the possibility of global unrest as we learn more and more upsetting facts and figures relevant to our predicament. I'm really trying to cool-it. Soul-craft needs to be central to societal evolution. I think I might be able to expose a lot of things if I really tried, but I really don't wish to try. I think I've stirred-up enough trouble already. But what really bothers me, is that justice does not seem to be forthcoming regarding all of the corruption and wrongdoing which has been clearly uncovered by thousands of people throughout the world. Covering things up seems to be the top priority of the custodians of the status-quo, rather than making things right. The bad guys and gals are still riding high, and I see no signs that anything is changing for the better. The average person seems to be under attack, rather than the real thieves and violent criminals, who often wear Armani, Prada, and Rolex. Many of the pillars of society appear to be rotten or crumbling, but not many notice because of all the smoke and mirrors. This world really is sick, and trying to change things for the better seems to make one mentally ill, and become a person of concern to the law-enforcement and intelligence-communities. Not giving a damn and being morally-ambiguous seems to work a helluva lot better. The irresponsible seem to be rewarded, and the responsible seem to be punished. Are we witnessing and experiencing the controlled-demolition of the human-race? Anyway, I need to heal, so I'll be in better shape when the excrement really hits the refrigeration system. Perhaps I need to find a good 'Armageddon Trainer'. I'm half-joking and half-serious. A big thank-you to those who frequent these alternative sites, regardless of your point of view, and regardless of whether you work for the secret-government or not. I feel really lost today. The infowar seems to have gotten to me. You know, once we get everything all figured-out, and put all of the bad guys and gals in prison, we will still face huge problems and disappointments. The struggle will be ongoing. I hope things will be better, but I don't expect things to ever be easy and painless. Once again, pain is the cost of doing business in the universe, regardless of who runs the solar system, and regardless of how they do it.

There are good and bad people in every race, religion, country, business, and political system. What is the common factor uniting the good people? What is the common factor uniting the bad people? What turns good people into bad people? What turns bad people into good people? Do you see my point? There could be good and bad proponents of a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System. I really wish to maximize the good people and minimize the bad people. But who is qualified to judge who is good and who is bad? What if the judge is bad? Or what if a good judge has bad judgment? I read 'The Communist Manifesto' in high-school, and it had a lot of good points, but look at the horrors of the Soviet Union! I lean strongly toward the U.S. Constitution, but look at the many absurdities and abuses in the history of the United States! Just establishing the ultimate religion, the ultimate government, or the ultimate union of church and state, really doesn't solve the problem. Are we really fighting an unseen and supernatural foe, or is there a problem at the soul-level? Do we all have negative baggage at the soul-level, which rears it's ugly head, to taunt, harass, and possess us? I don't know, but we seem to live in a somewhat creepy solar system, which a New Solar System might not remedy. It might go deeper than my band-aid fix. Think long and hard about what I just said in this post. Again, the ultimate goal, for me at least, is a perfected humanity living in a perfected solar system. But how do we achieve this? Do the ends justify the means? I think that the means determine the ends. Methodology is extremely important. The journey is as important as the destination. In many respects, the journey is the destination. When I spoke with Terence McKenna, he told me that 'if you dream it, you've already done it'. Once again, this thread is a study-guide rather than a manifesto. Use it while you can. I suspect that the internet might become severely restricted in the near future. All is not well in this solar system. All might not be well throughout the universe. I have conceptualized being a solar system administrator, just for the hell of it, and it has frankly scared the hell out of me. So many things could go so very wrong, as I suspect that they have, throughout the history of this solar system. Idealism doesn't necessarily equal effectiveness. Someone who is good today, can be bad tomorrow, and the reverse can be true. I have dealt with individuals who I had very mixed feelings about. They seemed to be a mixture of extreme good and extreme evil. I was, and am, extremely conflicted about this. I have faked being nutty on this thread, but I do feel a bit nutty, most of the time. I feel as if we are presently in the eye of the storm, and that something is a brewing. Hmmmmmmmmmm. What would tone3jaguar say? What would Dr. Who say? Which one? Do you think that Dr. Who might be a bit like Michael / ??????? / Horus / Mithras / Various Pharaohs / Jesus / ????? / ?????!!!???
I like Ron Paul, but I don't dislike Bernanke. I do dislike the IRS and the Federal Reserve, but if Bernanke told the truth about what's really going on, I think all hell would break loose. He seems to be keeping the lid on what could potentially be a very explosive situation. The existing system seems to be corrupt and hostile toward the public. I want to End the Fed, and institute a 5% National-Federal Point of Sale Tax on every sale, even stocks and produce. I supose that foreign visitors and food-stamp recipients would not be exempted either. No exceptions. No exemptions. No forms. No kidding. Agents would enforce the point of sale collection of this tax, and the money would go directly to the government, without going through private hands. I realize this would create a problem for the black projects, secret government, secret space program, and underground bases, but the legitimate aspects of these programs could be legitimately and openly funded, without resorting to corrupt taxation, blood-money, and illegal-drug money. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

Tangentially, I noticed that when I disconnected the internet line to my computer, that the computer fan continued to rev like a sports-car, even when not in active use. Either this phenomenon has nothing to do with being monitored, or there is some sort of wireless or satellite access to my computer. I know I'm paranoid, and I often wear a Ron Paul hat, but I do think that back-door access to computers and 24/7 monitoring of problem people is a reality. I think I'm problematic on the internet, but not in real-life. The devil used to make me do it, but now the internet makes me do it. What if all of our computers are possessed by evil-spirits? Amoeba-like whisps of white-light pass between me and the computer-screen, at least once a month, and that's just when I notice them. As I watch the screen, the screen is probably watching me. The devil used to tempt me, but now I tempt the devil, in sort of a Last Temptation of Satan. I need some sleep, or maybe I just need to get laid.

On yet another tangent, to me, at least, there is a strange underlying attitude or atmosphere connected with the management and directorial aspects of Hollywood and Showbiz, which is quite different than the finished products on television or on the silver screen. I think these people know a lot, but they don't say a lot, which is understandable. I also think they get fed scripts and information by those who know a helluva lot. Again, this is understandable. But I would like to see showbiz take a much higher road than it has over the past few decades. Some sex and violence is necessary for a realistic story-line, but not the trash the public is bombarded with. The same goes for Las Vegas. A sexy show is one thing, but the escort, call-girl, and prostitution situation is sickening and out of control. It really cheapens that town. I visited there a couple of years ago, and I really don't wish to go back, until they clean things up. I don't oppose the basic concept, but the reality stinks, in my view. In a way, it would be sort of cool to live in Vegas, and work at Area 51, but only if the whole thing were cleaned-up. I don't wish to reinvent the solar system. I just want it cleaned-up and streamlined. I don't want it to be a toilet and a slaughterhouse. The courruption, misery, and degradation in this solar system is indescribable and unimaginable. Consider the butchery and environmental destruction over the past 150 years. This deplorable state of affairs must and will be corrected. Nuff said. What would Bugsy say? Who shot Bugsy Siegel? Notice Virginia Hill's (Bugsy's mistress) brooch. Watch this rather strange video, in light of some of the things I've said on this thread. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn_HECGW1OM&NR=1 What was Virginia's occupation? What are Hollywood and Vegas sometimes called? Virginia wasn't exactly a virgin, or was she? What would TREEE say? I need to stop, and watch my 3 DVD's called 'Hollywood vs the Mob', after I finish watching 'La Femme Nikita'. http://www.crackle.com/c/La_Femme_Nikita/La_Femme_Nikita/2449081 I don't go much for raw violence, but this movie is quite good, even though it's in French. I really just need to drop this whole thing. I'm really just trying to find peace, for myself and the solar system.

What do you think about this? I lean toward Dana's perspective - but I have learned a lot from Sherri and TREEE. Perhaps Dana, TREEE, and Sherry are all ONE?!

DANA:

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgv9JAH7HWA&feature=related
2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7tyRIySzGk&feature=related
3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZZ1TS_7F60&feature=related

TREEE:

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKvoUyAzKY4
2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdywVpflh40
3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ1lQYeC2x0

(I sat across from a MALE with a tattoo in the same place as TREEE's!! When I mentioned this, they said something like "You have me figured-out, don't you??" I'm telling you the truth -- even though I am representing this thread as mostly being science-fictional in nature. I once received a very interesting list of emails from TREEE -- which I didn't use -- and which I no longer have. Just saying.)

SHERRY:

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzV4U2kMkjg&feature=related
2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZZ7esFbE1E&feature=related
3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5jYlvLtgOM&feature=related

I so don't want to keep dealing with this madness - but I so don't want the madness to continue. It is interesting to compare these three interesting ladies with each other. It's sort of like a cat-fight, in a way - even though they don't usually refer to each other. Once again - I am not a follower of any of these three - but I do like to keep my eye of them...

What if the three interesting ladies are all the same individual? I'm not saying they are, and I could say a lot more, but why would Dana have all of TREEE's passwords, and access to all of her accounts? I like listening to all three, and they know a helluva lot, but I don't trust them. Could this be sort of a test? There is another individual of interest, who I won't name, and I won't say anything further about them. I just think there are a lot of deceptive games being played, for who knows what reasons?! What would Lilith say? I'm both supportive and angry at just about everyone right now. I'm pretty much disgusted with everything. I'm really winding-down my posting activities. I'm going to be reviewing everything I have done, in sort of a private investigative judgment. I think I've been on the right track, but there are huge gaps in my theories and ideas. I also need to get my personal act together. I'm seeing lies everywhere. It seems that even the good-guys fight the bad-guys with white-lies. Perhaps telling the absolute truth is an impossibility. The truth is so overrated, right? Well, I think we should get to the truth of the matter, with all deliberate speed, in a highly tactful manner. I will not yell 'FIRE' in a crowded theater, even if the theater is on fire. I think I've said quite enough on the internet, and I think others are saying quite enough, but the dots are not being properly connected. Also, we seem to want to hurt each other, no matter what. This needs to change.

Here is yet another interesting website I found while looking at one of TREEE's You Tube videos. http://hellenandchaos.blogspot.com/2010/04/suicidal-attitude-usa-government-is.html It doesn't seem that TREEE has posted anything since last summer. What's going on? If you watch TREEE, you will see someone who appears scatter-brained, but who seems to be able to rattle-off a huge amount of esoteric information. I have no idea whether it's true or not, but it would be difficult for anyone to speak this quickly and abstractly. Nuff said. You figure it out. Here is something from that site:

USA Government stupidly rushing to build a forward moon base in cooperation with the lunar Dragonians in order to meet ...the alien "threat". Namely in order to try to stop the Andromedians Universal Hierarchy Judges that are about to free us from the criminal cancerous 13.500 years presence of the Lunar "Lord" who has instigated genocides that bloodbathed humanity and the White and Black Race in world wars, civil wars and riots and who is now trying to cause the terminal WWIII of the Dragonian "Armageddon" in order to completely annihilate everyone except the pure yellow Sinese saurianhumo Race.

-These collusion gangs of Dragonian Spirits, through besotted earthly priesthoods, established all the contrary Religions (888 vs 666, etc), all the contrary Political ideologies (Capitalism, Communism, Nazism, Fascism, Socialism, Democracy, etc.), all the contrary Economical systems, and all the contrary Military pacts (NATO, Shanghai Pact, etc) of our Planet, with end purpose the division and the civil genocides of all races of our planet, and with end purpose the final Genocide of all the Human Races, Nations and States of our Planet, by the armies of the Dragonian pure yellow race Chinese and Koreans in the Chinese "Armageddon" of the Dragonian Judeo-Christian "Holy Scripture", because according to the G.H.REES research, planet Earth became a Theater of War, as a projection of the Space War between the coalition of the "Constellation of Andromeda" and the coalition of the "Hyper Solar System of Sirius", against the "Constellation of Draco".

-There are attempts to connect G.H.REES with Groups of "New Age Spiritual Mediums" who communicate with the Dragonians like the "Ashtar Command of the non existent Galactic Federation of Light" posing as the returning Andromedian Dodecatheon of Zeus.

NesaRA's Descended Demonic Imposter Disasters. (cartoon shapeshifting Draconian fakes) http://nesara.insights2.org/Founders.html

Cancerous entrapped reincarnation dragonian - lunar policy (cause) and Universal Hierarchy arriving Judges (effect). Should Anna Hayes aka Ashayana Deane be a fourth interesting lady? I'm somewhat intrigued by these four interesting ladies, for a variety of reasons. And what about Orgone, for making UFO's crash, and killing aliens, as advocated by Sherry Shriner? I'm somewhat suspicious about the whole Orgone thing. What if Orgone is something the darkside wants spread everywhere, or what if all the alien-haters are marked by using Orgone? What if Orgone attracts evil-spirits? I'm going to say it one more time, be very discerning, and listen to a wide variety of sources. I'm doing the best I can, but I think that at least half of what I speculate about is probably pure, unmitigated popycock. What about Colleen Thomas? She's foxy and easy to listen to, but what is the true source of her voluminous information. I listen, but I am very suspicious of so much of what I listen to on the internet. I think the bs and delusion is rampant, and that it will probably get worse. I continue to be very concerned about the small numbers and lack of active discussion of extremely important topics, on this site and other similar sites. I think this world might be really, really screwed. I don't trust the good-guys or the bad-guys at this point. What if all we are dealing with in this solar system is different factions of the Orion Group. What if all of us are part of the Orion Group, including the humans, hybrids, reptilians, and greys? I'm thinking Orion Group and Sirius A and B, as being 95% of what's going on in this solar system. I think there is SO MUCH DECEPTION AND MANIPULATION. Keep thinking about Occam's Razor, and don't stop thinking about tomorrow.

I just want to apologize one more time for anything I have posted which has been offensive to anyone. I'm trying to be informal, honest, and sometimes funny. I'm trying to be a pure-soul, but I'm also trying to be a real-soul. I sometimes swear privately, but I never swear at anyone. I am a very, very frustrated person, at this point, and I am trying to think about a lot of things which are difficult to think about, and I am doing so in some very unconventional ways, which make me a lone-ranger with my @#$% hanging out. I really wish to be pure and refined, and live in a rarified spiritual atomosphere, but I am finding that there are very few kindred spirits, or so it often seems. And when one engages in this sort of thinking, there are various and sundry intellectual, spiritual, and emotional challenges, which could resemble a mild case of going nucking futs. Once again, I need to stop.

I'm going to continue to spend most of my time looking at recent history and solar system governance, rather than focusing on predictions and prophecy. I grew-up in a church which focused on prophecy, and while I still respect the principles and concepts, I think predictions and prophecy can be a mental and spiritual trap. I'm simply going to try to make things better, and just take whatever comes my way, be it good or bad. There might very well be an apocalypse, but I'm not preparing for it, or trying to get a ticket for an underground base, or a ride on a ufo. I'm just going to stay where I am, and go down with the ship, if it does go down. The darkside needs to cease and desist. Game Over.

The history and philosophy of science might be a beneficial area of research. Again, I have a bad feeling about a lot of traditional theology and about a lot of new age teaching. I'm trying to pick and choose from a very wide variety of topics and sources. I still like the idea of a University of Solar System Studies and Governance. Hold that thought. What do the people at JPL really think? What do the people at the Vatican really think? What do the people at the Pentagon really think? What does the Secret Government really think? What does the World Council of Churches really think? What does Obama really think? What does the Queen really think? What does the Queen of Heaven and God of This World really think? We might be surprised. What does orthodoxymoron really think? You don't wanna know...

I am trying so very hard to stop posting, and just research. Period. I'm also liking the idea of eliminating the cell-phone and endless hours on the internet, because of the monitoring. I realize that monitoring can still occur, but I still would like to minimize my exposure at this point. This latest crisis of confidence is one more reason for me to go dark, and become an ultra-secret society of one. I can give myself the secret orthodoxymoron handshake, as I watch the end of the world from the comfort of my shallow underground civilian base. I plan to swelter in my shelter. Or perhaps I should say 'Beam me up SaLuSa!'

What if at least one branch of the military were based upon 1. The Writings of Sun Tsu. 2. The U.S. Constitution. 3. The Teachings of Jesus? I don't have a problem with military discipline, but I have a HUGE problem with nearly all of the wars, throughout history. I love the air-shows, parades, exercises, etc., but I hate the damn body-bags and injuries. What if everyone got cycled through a military branch, such as the National Guard, where people learned trades, discipline, civil defense, search and rescue, how to properly use weapons, and how to follow instructions under pressure? Do you see my point? The purpose of this branch of the military might be to avoid war, and to make friends around the world. The other branches would be ready to kick @$$, if need be. Civilian gun owners would need to go through this training, and would be part of a well-regulated militia. Do you see what I'm saying? Once again, my posts are intended to make you think, and to then arrive at your own conclusions.

I'm thinking mostly in terms of This Solar System, Sirius A & B, and the Orion Group - and that we might all be a part of the Orion Group from Sirius - and that all of the humanoid forms in all of the above might be pretty much the same at the soul-level. I'm seeing mostly a continuing ancient Civil Star War in Heaven, with at least three factions led by Reptilian Queens. (We Three Queens of Orion are Trying to Rule the Heavens Afar.) There might be a lot more to it than this simple view, but why not completely explore the simple view, before making things more complex than they really are? I'm hoping there can be a satisfactory resolution to this madness, very soon, but I certainly don't know how bad things really are. I'm feeling nothing but negativity and dread. This thing doesn't seem to be even close to being over. I have repeatedly gotten my hopes up, but now I'm preparing for a very long and hard winter. Once again, hope springs eternal. Once again, I don't necessarily hate scales and tails, or suffer from Phobos-Phobia, but I don't know enough to make proper judgments and determinations. Consider reading and watching a lot of science-fiction to prepare for a wide variety of possible scenarios. I don't think we have a clue about what's really going to happen in the future, if we even have a future. I wouldn't count on anything. I think we all need to become a lot tougher and resiliant, but in a kinder and gentler manner. We should be prepared for just about anything, and I mean anything. I still think it would be cool to live in a non-militaristic version of the Stargate SG-1 base, which might be sort of a think-tank, with perhaps a couple of dozen team-members. An old decommissioned missile silo might be used for such a purpose. I don't like all of the machine-gunning in SG-1 episodes, but I like the discussions they get into, and I like the team members.
What about a Calculus-Based United States of the Solar System? What would Reimann say? Would this create a derivative scandal? What about the derivative of X, with no respect for Y? dx de heck with it! Seriously. What mathematical models might we use in a Cray, to test competing political and religious solar systems? Resource allocation spreadsheets might be interesting. What about modelling Asteroid Wars? How many Asteroid Drones are in this Solar System? What about deriving the Galactic Wave Equation? What would Schroedinger say? What would his cat say? I was a helluva lot smarter when I was a little child. I used to imagine flying through the solar system in a one-child ufo, that I designed and built myself. I imagined designing personal computers and frictionless magnetic bearings, and I looked at the solar system through my little telescope, with innocent wonder. But then I grew-up and got really mean, stubborn, and stupid. I'm trying to get nice and smart again, but now I'm going crazy, and this Disneyland of the Gods E-Ticket Ride is almost over. Now what do I do? What would John Keel say? What would the Mothman say? Is God going to hit the reset button, and reboot the universe? Perhaps it just needs a new operating system or a software upgrade. Has technology made us safer and happier? What would Palmer Joss say? What would Ellie say? What would Rachel say? What would Mr. Haddon say? If we had ten times as many WMD's as we have now, would we be ten times as safe? Put that in your Cray, and model it. Or perhaps it might be better to smoke the peace-pipe. Maybe if we all got a bong, we'd all get along. Perhaps the thurifer should replace the incense with some Maui-Wowie! Or maybe a little angel dust in the refrigeration system would bring us face to face with the Almighty, and without a Mediator! Would the excrement contact the blower? Perhaps we should eliminate 90% of the least beneficial technology and industrialization, and only implement the most beneficial new technology and industrialization. Why should we bury ourselves with the work we dig? Can you dig it? Solar System Governance is an Abstract. It's a Human Construct. What would Azrael say? How much truth is there in 'Legion' and 'Dogma'? What would Gabriel, Lucifer, and Michael say? WWJD? Should Jesus be called 'Jesus'? Who is responsible for creating Astro-Theology? Something fishy's going on. Do Draconian Reptilians have Fish-Heads? What would the Dogons say? What would Robert Temple say? What would the Nommos say? What would the Pope say? Siriusly!

Why is the Woman in Scarlet called 'The Whore of Babylon'? Because she babbles on and on and on and on. What would TREEE say? Tehuti is important, and so are tatoos! Don't get stung by Serqet! She's a real mother! She might give you the kiss of death and the last supper. I don't know why I'm doing this, and you probably wish that I weren't doing this. Perhaps I should stop. Or maybe I should talk about sex. What would Raven say? Who invented sex? What would Michael say? What would Horus say? What would Mithras say? Was and is Jesus archangelic and pharaonic? Was Jesus black? Was Jesus Annunaki? Did Jesus get fired? Did he get blacklisted? What is the Nature of Christ, at the soul-level? Fully God and Fully Man? Or Truly God and Truly Man? Will Jesus return? Did he leave? How many Incarnations have there been? Incarnation or Reincarnation? Example or Substitute? Is the Substitutionary Atonement Ethical? Is cleansing the universe of sin and sinners really mass murder? Is Mass Murder Ever Ethical? What would Joseph Fletcher say? Is War a Sin? What would Karl Menninger say? Is the Latin Mass a Human Sacrifice? Who gave Adolph Hitler and Eugenio Pacelli their marching orders? What would Heinrich Himmler say? What would the Jesuit General say? What would the Bavarian Illuminati say? What would the Teutonic Zionists say? What would the Freemasons say? What would the Queen of Heaven and God of This World say? What would the Moving Finger Write? Babylon is Fallen - and can't get up? Are we fiddling, while Rome burns? I should stop, drop, and roll another joint. Actually, I've never smoked anything in my life. Not even a fish. I've never had a single drink of beer or wine (except for communion wine - Port Tawny), but still you judge me as unworthy. Perhaps I should've become an Unnecessary Surgeon or a Lying Leader in the Synagogue of Satan. That wouldn't make me righteous, but at least I'd be respectable and presentable. Appearances are Everything, aren't they? What would Joe Kennedy say? Now I really do need to stop, and finish rewatching 'Avatar'. What did James Cameron know, and when did he know it? What was Steven afraid of? Was Stephen stoned, drunk, or just stupid? What about you? What's your excuse? What would Bartleby say? What would Loki do? Hocus Pocus Dominocus - the Spirits are About to Speak! This might be a good time to cover your ears. Now I shall improvise a fugue. As the voices enter, one by one - the people leave, one by one. Open the doors of the church! Twelve O'Clock, and All's Well!!! At least that's what you think! What about the secretary who gave her boss a raise??!! That temptress from hell!! They're both gonna burn!! Fire!! Fire!! Your Pants Were on Fire!! Your Hearts Were Filled With Burning Desire!! Sex as Sin is Good for Business, When Salvation is For Sale. Indulgences by PayPal. Visa and MasterCard (formerly BankAmeriCard) Accepted!! What would Eric John Phelps say? Pretty fly for a white-guy!! What would Noodles say? The Offspring is the Spawn of Satan!! New Solar System Without End. Orthodoxymoron. Completely Ignorant Fool, or Wave of the Future?? I had you fooled, didn't I?!

I just watched Iron Sky -- and I found it quite entertaining (in a rather dark sense) -- and it really made me think. Same goes for the movie Paul. I'm not a real science-fiction aficionado. I use science-fiction as a crutch. I frankly simply wish for things to be peaceful and happy. Perhaps someone dropped me off on the wrong planet. Once again, I am going to attempt to read Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Solomon, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Lamentations, Ezekiel, and Daniel -- straight-through -- over and over -- as a mental and spiritual exercise. Again, I am suggesting that the Bible be studied, rather than quoted, with a variety of approaches. What if the Teachings of Jesus preceded the Story of Jesus?? Consider the source Q. What if the Teachings of Jesus are really an Old Testament phenomenon??!! Do the Teachings of Jesus harmonize with the Old Testament Books listed above?? Notice that the Book of Common Prayer is all about the Psalms and Ancient Israel. What if Ancient Israel equals Ancient Egypt?? Perhaps the Bible Teachings should be divorced from the Bible Stories?! Just a thought!! I get the feeling that the Bible has been massively messed-with and misrepresented. Should we simply positively-reinforce EVERYTHING??? I tend to think so. Again, regarding Schuller and Peale -- I lean much more toward Positive-Thinking than I do Self-Esteem. I actually prefer the term Positive Response Ability. Study the books and sermons of Schuller and Peale -- positively reinforcing their material (especially regarding the principles and concepts). Positively Reinforce ALL Religions and Countries. I'm liking the term Paradise Incorporated as being representative of the next best step forward from Purgatory Incorporated. I don't wish to throw stones. I wish to move on with evolutionary change. On the other hand, we really need to learn from the past. We need to learn from the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly. Finally, consider the interrelationship of Nature, Human-Nature, Natural-Law, and the Perfect Law of the Lord. Please think long and hard about this paragraph.

Some things are becoming a lot clearer to me, and it's not a pretty picture. It has to do with how the world has really worked, over the past thousand years, in general, and over the past hundred years, in particular. I won't spell it out in this post, but I desire that the human race learn the truth in as gentle and tactful of a manner as possible. I doubt that things will go smoothly, but I'd like us to move on to bigger and better things as soon as possible. Take a closer look at World War II, and the Nazi Phenomenon, especially in relation to the Vatican and Gizeh Intelligence. I'm tending to think that Pope Pius XII and Adolph Hitler basically followed orders, and that they might not have had a lot of choice in the matter. I don't wish to excuse the horrors of the Nazis, or the silence of the Pope, but I don't think they were in the driver's seat. This doesn't get them off the hook, but I think it helps to explain a lot of things. I'm presently interested in Heinrich Himmler and the Jesuit General as being the links between Gizeh Intelligence and the Vatican and Nazis. I'm still grasping at straws, and very little is really known about the so called 'Gizeh Intelligence', but it seems that is where the planning, financing, technology, and authority originated. But what the heck do I know? I wasn't there. Or was I? Who knows? It just seems that Gizeh Intelligence, the Bavarian Illuminati, the Freemasons, Teutonic Zionism, the Jesuits, and the SS somehow had control of the Vatican and the Nazi Party - or so it seems - and that the madness continued after the war, throughout the world, but especially in South America, Antarctica, and the United States. I think this thing is really, really bad, sad, and messy. Once again, I'm just scratching the surface, and I need to do a helluva lot of research before I can say anything with any authority at all. Lest anyone be too self-righteous, if some of us had been in the shoes of the bad guys and gals, we might've been just as bad as them, or worse. This post is not a negative reflection on the German People or the Faithful Members of the Roman Catholic Church. I just think all of this is a continuation of an Ancient Civil War in Heaven, which seems to be ongoing, to this very day. Hopefully, things can be resolved soon.

Ancient Technology seems to be in the middle of all of this, and I wonder where Nicola Tesla really got all of that very advanced technology? The Vatican Library, or somewhere beneath Rome? Was ancient destructive technology brought back to life, after laying dormant for thousands of years? If so, should it have continued to lay dormant. I tend to think so. I don't know which way to jump, regarding what I'm learning, but again, I really wish to move on as quickly as possible. Obviously, I want justice to be served, but let him who is without sin cast the first stone. I'm leaning toward the idea that very, very few of us are really good. Some of us might be shocked and horrified when we learn how bad we've been in previous lives. I am extremely worried about my reincarnational history. I'm disgusted with my present life, but I'm almost frantic with fear regarding my potential misdeeds in previous lives, going back into ancient Egypt, and even before that. The rabbit hole might be a bottomless pit. I think people like Eric John Phelps, Jordan Maxwell, Joseph Farrell, Richard Hoagland, Alex Collier, Alex Jones, and Jim Marrs know a helluva lot about all of this, and if Bill Cooper were still alive, he would know a helluva lot as well. I'm hoping that Bill is still alive, and that his death was faked so he could go underground. I think there are a lot of good Jesuits and Alphabet Agents who are trying to do the right thing in relation to this, as well. Anyway, when the general public starts learning the truth, I think a lot of them are going to literally go insane. Please exercise extreme caution in all of this. Firings, divorces, suicides, murders, riots, and people going completely insane - could result from some very upsetting information being spread in an irresponsible and insensitive manner. The truth should not be supressed, but it needs to be handled properly. I still like the idea of a United States of the Solar System, as being one way of dealing with the horrible situation we're in. But I'm not exactly shouting this from the top of one of the Seven Hills of Rome. There's a time and a place for everything. Right now, I can't seem to stop crying.

Consider again, this interesting Alex Jones and Jordan Maxwell clip on Teutonic Zionsim. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlCSw8euO68 Could Ancient Egypt and the Teutonic Knights be the key to a lot of things? How do the Archangels fit into all of this? Who knows what this might lead to? The True Raiders of the Lost or Stolen Ark? What was really under Jerusalem? Ancient Architecture? Ancient Music? Ancient Texts? Ancient Technology? What if the Ark of the Covenant was a UFO filled with Ancient Knowledge and Wisdom from Sirius? Fire Stolen from the Gods? Is this where the Nazi Advanced Technology orginated? Sirius A = Zionism = The Old World Order = Gabriel? Sirius B = Teutonic Zionism = The New World Order = Lucifer? This Solar System = The New Earth = The New Solar System = Michael? Did Gabriel and Lucifer steal this solar system from Michael? Have they been fighting over it and exploiting it for thousands of years? I'm not sure I really want to go down this rabbit-hole. I might not be able to stop screaming. The horror. How does the rest of the universe view what's been going on here in this solar system? Is the Orion Group a Sirius Issue? Are all of us part of the Orion Group, whether we are human, grey, or reptilian? Are our souls identical? Are our souls interdimensional reptilian? Is that why we have a reptilian portion of our brains? If all of the above were true, would the general public go insane, or would they just say 'well I'll be damned' and move on? I don't know, but 87% of us might go nuts. Danger Will Robinson! Danger!

Take a look at this interesting, but troubling, link. "Is War a Ritual Human Sacrifice?" by Acharya S. http://www.paranoiamagazine.com/warritual.html I am particularly interested in the possibility of the origins of Teutonic Zionism occurring in the Ninth Century A.D. This could be key to the history of the world for the past twelve-hundred years. Could this be the origin of the so-called 'New World Order'? I don't know, but I think this might be extremely important. I hate to say it, but Human Sacrifice and Teutonic Zionism are of special interest to me presently, and not in a good way. This seems to open a can of worms which I'm not sure I really wish to deal with. Here is the most pertinent part of the linked article by Acharya S:

Teutonic/Zionist Connection

Despite the fact that "the Jews" of Palestine were nearly driven to extinction during the first and second centuries CE, when the Christian tale was beginning to be formulated in large part to preserve Judaism/Israel, their numbers recovered enough to continue the play for supremacy. And there was a significant number of Jews outside Palestine as well, some of whom evidently continued their ancient barbaric rites. The noted historian Edward Gibbon wrote in History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire:

From the reign of Nero to that of Antonius Pius [80-160 CE], the Jews discovered a fierce impatience of the dominion of Rome, which repeatedly broke out in the most furious massacres and insurrections. Humanity is shocked at the recital of the horrid cruelties which they committed in the cities of Egypt, of Cyprus, and of Cyrene, where they dwelt in treacherous friendship with the unsuspecting natives... In Cyrene they massacred 220,000 Greeks; in Cyprus 240,000; in Egypt, a very great multitude. Many of these victims were 'sawed asunder,' according to a precedent in which David had given the sanction of his example. The victorious Jews devoured the flesh, licked the blood, and twisted the entrails like a girdle around their bodies. (vol. 2, chap. XVI, part I)

Later, through the conversion of an entire kingdom, that of the Khazars, Judaism continued on and, as before, was not racially determinate, since the Khazars seem to have been both Caucasians and Asiatics, who subsequently became known as the Ashkenazis or Europeans Jews. According to Genesis 10, "the Ashkenazis" were not Semites but Japhethites, or Caucasians.

In the 9th century Zionists (Jews) and Teutons (Germans) allegedly collaborated against the Catholic Church and established a strange partnership linked by their respective priesthoods' secret and sickening sacrificial rituals. This group was alleged over the centuries to have engaged in human/child sacrifice, an accusation, founded or unfounded, that gave many rulers in Europe the excuse to expel "the Jews" from a number of countries, including from England by Edward I in 1290, as well as from Spain by Isabella and Ferdinando.

The rebuttal of those accused or expelled was that these rulers simply wished to seize Jewish assets. Nevertheless, what had been done in ancient times by both Jews and Gentiles, i.e., the sacrifice of both animals and humans by immolation and by slitting the neck and sprinkling the blood upon the congregation, was alleged to be continuing in the priesthoods of the Teutons and the Zionists. The Zionist elite, in fact, had been accused many times over the centuries of using the "common Jews" as well as "Christian children" as pawns and sacrificial victims in its quest for world domination, a quest outlined in the Old Testament, the Jewish Apocrypha and the Talmud. That the Israelite priesthood used its "own people" as sacrificial victims is admitted in the Old Testament, in which not only foreigners but "the Jews" are slaughtered by their handlers to propitiate the angry, jealous Yahweh (Ezekiel 9, et al.).

There seems to be a sort of "Praying Warrior" motif, where blood is shed in religious-ritual (symbolically or literally) and in warfare and persecution. I get the picture of warriors dressed in uniforms or armor, participating in religious-rituals (such as the Mass) which involve human-sacrifice (symbolically or literally) - and then going into battle, where they literally shed the blood of human-beings. What is it with "Blood and Death"? The core of Judeo-Christianity seems to involve "Blood, Death, and Sacrifice". Is this simply a reflection of the evolution of primitive humanity, or are we dealing with the appeasement of very-real, and very-cruel, vengeful-deities? Perhaps Jonathan Edwards wasn't too far off when he delivered the fiery sermon, 'Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God'. I once heard a Protestant Minister say that very few knew how much it really cost to keep light on the Earth. He didn't elaborate, but I'm beginning to fear the worst, concerning the Gods and Goddesses of Eden.

Consider the possible relationships between Sirius, Aldebaran, the Creation of Male and Female Human Physicality, the Original Sin, the Unpardonable Sin, Ancient Technology and Wisdom, Atlantis, Babylon, Egypt, Greece, Rome, Israel, Christians, Catholics, Zionists, Teutonic Zionists, Teutonic Knights, Jesuits, Masons, Bavarian Illuminati, Rothschilds, Windsors, Rockefellers, Monarchy, Papacy, SS, Nazis, Gizeh Intelligence, Secret Government, Osiris, Isis, Horus, Mithras, Jesus, Gabriel, Michael, Lucifer, Amen Ra, Reptilians, Greys, Dracs, Hybrids, the Old World Order, the New World Order, Earth-Changes, and Armageddon.

I have no animosity in all of this. I might even be engaging in some sort of a sub-conscious self-incrimination. I simply wish to learn the truth of our existence, in a rather passive and admittedly unscholarly manner. A lot of this in intuitive and speculative, for me anyway, so consider all of this with a sea of salt.
The following letter was supposed to have been written by Eric John Phelps, but I don't know this for certain, but it certainly connects some dots. Eric is an amazing researcher and speaker. He has more courage and brains than I can even imagine. http://crashrecovery.org/teutonic/eric-on-teutonic-knights.html

Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 00:33:45 -0500
From: Eric Jon Phelps
To: Robert M. Stockmann
Cc: skolnick@ameritech.net, cloak.dagger@gmail.com
Subject: Re: a new conspiracy has been shown up

Dear Robert,

Thank you for the thought regarding the Teutonic Knights. As you must
know, the German Teutonic Knights, with uniforms being identical in their
colors with Bavarian Roman Catholic Heinrich Himmler's SS, "Order of the
Death's Head" (black trimmed with silver), were the Pope's crusaders led
by Emperor Frederick Barbarossa. The Teutonic Knights always executed
the will of its master in Rome and were never anti-Rome, or truly
Protestant. Their rule was Augustinian; Himmler's rule was that of the
Jesuits.

To assert that the German Teutonic Knights descended into the hands of
the Protestant Lutheran Prussians is a popish error. We must remember
that the Knights were formally disbanded by Napoleon, the Roman Catholic
Masonic Jesuit-advised Avenger for the Order, in 1806; they were then
revived under the name of the New Templars by occult Freemason George
Lanz in 1912, that former Roman Catholic priest who met Hitler at Lambach
Abbey when Hitler was a boy; the priest who openly left the priesthood,
openly became a Lutheran, openly turned anti-Jesuit, yet remaining a
Jesuit Temporal Coadjutor in accordance with the bloody Jesuit Oath.

After the death of Freemason List, Freemason Lanz was the immediate
influence upon both Hitler and Himmler, those Roman Catholic Jesuit
Temporal Coadjutors who destroyed Protestant Prussia via their
connections with Jesuit-trained Joseph Stalin and his Jesuit-ruled
"headhunters," the NKVD. Yes, the head of the NKVD and also a Lubyanka
General was the Jesuit, who aided Stalin in the murder of his (the
Jesuit's) Jewish wife, Alexander N. Poskrebyshev.

The Order then carried out the designs of Lanz with regard to the Jews of
Europe and Western Russia, along with the mass-murder of 20 million
"heretic" Orthodox Russian Christians---aided by Stalin himself. After
the war Himmler and his Teutonic Knights were saved by Allied
Intelligence---the British SIS and the American OSS, both led by the
Knights of Malta---via Pope Pius XII's Vatican Ratlines.

Meanwhile, the apostate Lutheran morphine drug addict and non-member of
the Teutonic SS, Prussian Herman Goering, paid with his life for
resisting Hitler's all-powerful Jesuit secretary, Martin Bormann. But
the obedient ex-Lutheran Bormann, disguised as a Jesuit, escaped to South
America via Bishop Hudal's Ratline. His, Adolf Martin, son became a
Jesuit "missionary" to the Congo.

In conclusion, the Jesuit Order rules the Papacy; it rules all secret
societies especially the Luciferian Masonic orders. It ruled Himmler and
his Teutonic Knights of the SS. Today, it rules the Knights of Malta
governing the CIA to the end that the NWO will be centered in that
Antichrist in Rome---the Pope who pretends to be Jesus Christ in the
flesh, the priest of Jerusalem---Melchisedec. To this no Bible-believing
Protestant or Baptist Calvinist would ever submit.

I trust this is helpful.

Sincerely in Faith,

Brother Eric

There's more. A lot more. http://crashrecovery.org/teutonic/eric-on-teutonic-knights.html

To get a good understanding about who the Teutonic Knights actually were since the early mideaval ages, checkout Chapter I "The Teutonic Knights and Germany" inside John Beaty's "Iron Curtain Over America". In short, throughout history, the German Teutonic Knights were the only Chivalric Order who could withstand the Pagan Barbarian's from far east Europe, preventing Germany and other European nation states falling down into a Sodom and Gomorrah alike "Civilization".

The author of The Iron Curtain Over America has written, or collaborated on, a dozen books. His texts have been used in more than seven hundred colleges and universities, and his historical novel, Swords in the Dawn, published originally in New York, had London and Australian editions, and was adopted for state-wide use in the public schools of Texas. His education (M.A., University of Virginia; Ph.D., Columbia University; post-graduate study, University of Montpellier, France), his travel in Europe and Asia, and his five years with the Military Intelligence Service in World War II rounded out the background for the reading and research (1946-1951) which resulted in "The Iron Curtain Over America".

The Pope [Urban II, at Clermont, France, on November 26, 1095] crossed
the Alps from schism-torn Italy and, Frenchman himself, stirred the
people of France as he rode among them. In the chapel at Clermont, he
first swayed the men of the church who had answered his summons to the
meeting; then, surrounded by cardinals and mail-clad knights on a
golden-canopied platform in a field by the church, he addressed the
multitude:

  You are girded knights, but you are arrogant with pride. You
  turn upon your brothers with fury, cutting down one the other.
  Is this the service of Christ? ... Come forward to the defense
  of Christ.

The great Pope gave his eager audience some pertinent and inspiring
texts from the recorded words of Jesus Christ:

  For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there
  am I in the midst of them.
    (The Gospel According to Saint Matthew, Chapter XVIII, Verse 20)

  And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or
  sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands,
  for my namees sake, shall receive a hundredfold, and shall
  inherit everlasting life.
    (Saint Matthew, Chapter XIX, Verse 29)

To the words of the Saviour, the Pope added his own specific promise:

  Set forth then upon the way to the Holy Sepulcher ... and fear
  not. Your possessions here will be safeguarded, and you will
  despoil the enemy of greater treasures. Do not fear death, where
  Christ laid down His life for you. If any should lose their
  lives, even on the way thither, by sea or land, or in strife
  with the pagans, their sins will be requited them. I grant this
  to all who go, by the power vested in me by God.
    (Harold Lamb, op. cit., p. 42).

Through the long winter, men scanned their supplies, hammered out
weapons and armor, and dreamed dreams of their holy mission. In the
summer that followed, they "started out on what they called the voyage
of God" (Harold Lamb, op. cit., p. VII) As they faced East they shouted
on plains and in mountain valleys, "God wills it."

The third body of medieval military-religious Crusaders was the
Knighthood of the Teutonic Order. This organization was founded as a
hospital in the winter of 1190-91 -- according to tradition, on a small
ship which had been pulled ashore near Acre.  Its services came to be
so highly regarded that in March, 1198, "the great men of the army and
the [Latin] Kingdom raised the brethren of the German Hospital of St.
Mary to the rank of an Order of Knights" (Encyc. Brit., Vol. XXI, pp.
983-984). Soon, however, the Order found that "its true work lay on the
Eastern frontiers of Germany" (Encyc. Brit., Vol. XXI, p. 894). Invited
by a Christian Polish Prince (1226) to help against the still
unconverted Prussians, a body of knights sailed down the Vistula
establishing blockhouses and pushed eastward to found Koenigsburg in
1255. In 1274, a castle was established at Marienburg and in 1309 the
headquarters of the Grand Master was transferred (Encyc. Brit., Vol.
XIV, p. 886) from Venice to this remote border city on the Nojat River,
an eastern outlet of the Vistula (The Rise of Brandenburg-Prussia to
1786, by Sidney Bradshaw Fay, Henry Holt and Company, New York, 1937).

  It was to the Teutonic Order that the Knight of Chaucers famous
Canterbury Tales belonged (Sections from Chaucer, edited by Clarence
Griffin Child, D. C. Heath & Co., Boston, 1912, p. 150). Chauceras
lines (prologue to the Canterbury Tales, II., 52- 53):

  Ful ofte tyme he hadde the bord bigonne
  Aboven alle naciouns in Pruce

tell us that this Knight occupied the seat of Grand Master, presumably
at the capital, Marienburg, and presided over Knights from the various
nations assembled in "Puce" (Prussia) to hold the pagan East at bay. In
his military-religious capacity Chaucer's Knight "fought for our faith"
in fifteen battles, including those in Lithuania and in Russia
(Prologue, II., 54-63).
 The Teutonic Knights soon drove eastward, or converted to Christianity,
the sparsely settled native Prussian people, and assumed sovereignty
over East Prussia. They encouraged the immigration of German families
of farmers and artisans, and their domain on the south shore of the
Baltic became a self-contained German state, outside the Holy Roman
Empire. The boundaries varied, at one time reaching the Gulf of Finland
(see Historical Atlas, by William R. Shepherd, Henry Holt and Company,
New York, 1911, maps 77, 79, 87, 99, 119). "The hundred years from 1309
to 1409 were the Golden Age of the Teutonic Knights.  Young nobles from
all over Europe found no greater honor than to come out and fight under
their banner and be knighted by their Grand Master" (Fay, op. cit., pp.
32-33). As the years passed, the function of the Teutonic Knights as
defenders, or potential defenders, of the Christian West remained
unchanged.

As I was reading Life of Christ by Fulton Sheen, I had a 'vision' of St. Patrick's Cathedral in the early 1960's, with a televised service, featuring the 1928 Book of Common Prayer -- Sacred Classical Music -- and Fulton Sheen preaching homilies taken directly from his Life of Christ(1958) -- combined with the best aspects of the relatively new Garden Grove Community Church with Robert H. Schuller!!!! This 'Ecumenical Hollywood Service' would've supplemented the pre-existing modus operandi of St. Patrick's Cathedral -- in complete harmony with the Vatican!!! If THAT had been done --- would the Second Vatican Council and the Novus Ordo Mass have really been necessary??? Put those stones down!!! This is just one more mind game!!! There's a reason why some people get to wear fancy robes in ornate cathedrals -- and why some people have to sit in their old car, wearing holey blue jeans, and using their entry-level laptop with public internet!!! Read the introduction to the new edition of Life of Christ . I have read it repeatedly -- and it always brings tears to my eyes.

'On October 3, 1979, Pope John Paul II was making his first papal visit to the United States. He came to New York City and was met by Terence Cardinal Cooke, Archbishop of New York, who escorted the Pope into St. Patrick's Cathedral. When the Holy Father reached the sanctuary, he paused and looked around. Then he turned to Cardinal Cooke and asked, "Where is Archbishop Sheen?" The Cardinal had to send his secretary to find the Archbishop, who was toward the back of the cathedral in the Mary Chapel. The Holy Father waited motionlessly. The people were wondering what was happening to cause this apparent delay. Finally, Archbishop Sheen emerged from the chapel. When the people realized that the Pope had been waiting for the Archbishop, they stood up and gave Archbishop Sheen a seven-minute standing ovation. Here was the man, after all, who had been the voice of the Catholic Church in America for some thirty years. Then Pope John Paul II went over and embraced the Archbishop, now quite frail with age and sickness. The Holy Father said to him: "You have written and spoken well of the Lord Jesus! You have been a loyal son of the Church." These powerful words certainly apply to Archbishop Sheen's Life of Christ.' -- Father Andrew Apostoli, C.F.R. -- Vice-Postulator, Cause of Canonization of Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen.

BTW -- has anyone speculated regarding what the church and world would be like if the First and Second Vatican Councils had never taken place??!! What if the Anglican Communion were considered to be the Experimental Catholic Church -- where new ideas might be explored on a smaller scale prior to implementing them on a larger scale??!! Consider Innovative-Continuity. What if the 'Faithful' don't REALLY know WHY they are 'Faithful'??!! What if the 'Protestants' don't REALLY know WHAT and WHY they are 'Protesting'??!! I'm probably neither Protestant or Catholic -- although I am very interested in both perspectives. Perhaps ALL of us are deluded with Conflicting-Delusions!! Still, I think that Top Catholics know more about what's REALLY going on in this solar system than just about anyone else -- other than the Queen of Heaven and God of This World!! I know that makes a lot of you very angry -- but I am NOT attempting to win a Popularity-Contest -- and I am NOT looking for a Job (even one on the Dark-Side of the Moon). I simply wish to help turn this Purgatory in a Paradise. Consider these interesting videos:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulton_J._Sheen Fulton John Sheen (born Peter John Sheen, May 8, 1895 – December 9, 1979) was an American archbishop of the Roman Catholic Church known for his preaching and especially his work on television and radio. His cause for canonization for sainthood was officially opened in 2002. In June 2012, Pope Benedict XVI officially recognized a decree from the Congregation for the Causes of Saints stating that he lived a life of "heroic virtues" – a major step towards beatification – so he is now referred to as "Venerable".[2][3]

Ordained a priest of the Diocese of Peoria in 1919,[1] Sheen quickly became a renowned theologian, earning the Cardinal Mercier Prize for International Philosophy in 1923. He went on to teach theology and philosophy as well as acting as a parish priest before being appointed Auxiliary Bishop of the Archdiocese of New York in 1951. He held this position until 1966 when he was made the Bishop of Rochester from October 21, 1966 to October 6, 1969, when he resigned[4] and was made the Archbishop of the Titular See of Newport, Wales.

For 20 years he hosted the night-time radio program The Catholic Hour (1930–1950) before moving to television and presenting Life Is Worth Living (1951–1957). Sheen's final presenting role was on the syndicated The Fulton Sheen Program (1961–1968) with a format very similar to that of the earlier Life is Worth Living show. For this work, Sheen twice won an Emmy Award for Most Outstanding Television Personality, the only personality appearing on the DuMont Network ever to win a major Emmy award.[clarification needed] Starting in 2009, his shows were being re-broadcast on the EWTN and the Trinity Broadcasting Network's Church Channel cable networks.[5] Due to his contribution to televised preaching Sheen is often referred to as one of the first televangelists.[6][7]

Sheen was born in El Paso, Illinois, the oldest of four sons of Newton and Delia. Though he was known as Fulton, his mother's maiden name, he was baptized as Peter John Sheen.[8][1] As an infant, Sheen contracted tuberculosis.[9] After the family moved to nearby Peoria, Illinois, Sheen's first role in the Church was as an altar boy at St. Mary's Cathedral.[1][8]

Education

After earning high school valedictorian honors at Spalding Institute in Peoria in 1913, Sheen was educated at St. Viator College in Bourbonnais, Illinois, attended Saint Paul Seminary in Minnesota before his ordination on September 20, 1919,[1] then followed that with further studies at The Catholic University of America in Washington, D.C..[8][10] His youthful appearance was still evident on one occasion when a local priest asked Sheen to assist as altar boy during the celebration of the Mass.[8]

Sheen earned a doctorate in philosophy at the Catholic University of Leuven in Belgium in 1923.[10] While there, he became the first American ever to win the Cardinal Mercier award for the best philosophical treatise.[8] In 1924 Sheen pursued further studies in Rome earning a Sacred Theology Doctorate at the Pontificium Collegium Internationale Angelicum, the future Pontifical University of Saint Thomas Aquinas, Angelicum.[11]

Priestly life

Sheen was for a year assistant to the pastor at St. Patrick's Church, Soho Square in London while teaching theology at St. Edmund's College, Ware, where he met Ronald Knox. Although Oxford and Columbia wanted him to teach philosophy, in 1926 Bishop Edmund Dunne of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Peoria, Illinois asked Sheen to take over St. Patrick's Parish. After nine months, Dunne returned him to Catholic University, where he taught philosophy until 1950.[12][8]

In 1929, Sheen gave a speech at the National Catholic Educational Association. He encouraged teachers to "educate for a Catholic Renaissance" in the United States. Sheen was hoping that Catholics would become more influential in their country through education, which would help attract others to the faith. He believed that Catholics should "integrate" their faith into the rest of their daily life.[13]

He was consecrated a bishop on June 11, 1951,[14] and served as an Auxiliary Bishop of the Archdiocese of New York from 1951 to 1965. The Principal Consecrator was the Discalced Carmelite Cardinal Adeodato Giovanni Piazza, the Cardinal-Bishop of Sabina e Poggio Mirteto and the Secretary of the Sacred Consistorial Congregation (what is today the Congregation for Bishops). The Principal Co-Consecrators were Archbishop Leone Giovanni Battista Nigris, Titular Archbishop of Philippi and the Secretary of the Congregation for the Propagation of the Faith (what is today the Congregation for the Evangelization of Peoples); and Archbishop Martin John O'Connor, Titular Archbishop of Laodicea in Syria and President Emeritus of the Pontifical Council for Social Communications.

Media career

Radio

A popular instructor, Sheen wrote the first of 73 books in 1925, and in 1930 began a weekly Sunday night radio broadcast, The Catholic Hour.[10] Sheen called WWII not only a political struggle, but also a "theological one." He referred to Hitler as an example of the "Anti-Christ."[15] Two decades later, the broadcast had a weekly listening audience of four million people. Time referred to him in 1946 as "the golden-voiced Msgr. Fulton J. Sheen, U.S. Catholicism's famed proselytizer" and reported that his radio broadcast received 3,000–6,000 letters weekly from listeners.[16] During the middle of this era, he conducted the first religious service broadcast on the new medium of television, putting in motion a new avenue for his religious pursuits.

Television

In 1951 he began a weekly television program on the DuMont Television Network titled Life Is Worth Living. Filmed at the Adelphi Theatre in New York City, the program consisted of the unpaid Sheen simply speaking in front of a live audience without a script or cue cards, occasionally using a chalkboard.

The show, scheduled in a graveyard slot on Tuesday nights at 8:00 p.m., was not expected to challenge the ratings giants Milton Berle and Frank Sinatra, but did surprisingly well. Berle joked, "He uses old material, too", and observed that "[i]f I'm going to be eased off the top by anyone, it's better that I lose to the One for whom Bishop Sheen is speaking."[8] Sheen responded in jest that people should start calling him "Uncle Fultie".[17] Life and Time magazine ran feature stories on Bishop Sheen. The number of stations carrying Life Is Worth Living jumped from three to fifteen in less than two months. There was fan mail that flowed in at a rate of 8,500 letters per week. There were four times as many requests for tickets than could be fulfilled. Admiral, the sponsor, paid the production costs in return for a one minute commercial at the opening of the show and another minute at the close.[18] In 1952, Sheen won an Emmy Award for his efforts,[19] accepting the acknowledgment by saying, "I feel it is time I pay tribute to my four writers—Matthew, Mark, Luke and John." Time called him "the first 'televangelist'", and the Archdiocese of New York could not meet the demand for tickets.[8]

One of his best-remembered presentations came in February 1953, when he forcefully denounced the Soviet regime of Joseph Stalin. Sheen gave a dramatic reading of the burial scene from Shakespeare's Julius Caesar, substituting the names of Caesar, Cassius, Mark Antony, and Brutus with those of prominent Soviet leaders Stalin, Lavrenty Beria, Georgy Malenkov, and Andrey Vyshinsky. He concluded by saying, "Stalin must one day meet his judgment." The dictator suffered a stroke a few days later and died within a week.[20]

The show ran until 1957, drawing as many as 30 million people on a weekly basis. In 1958, Sheen became national director of the Society for the Propagation of the Faith, serving for eight years before being appointed Bishop of Rochester, New York, on October 26, 1966. He also hosted a nationally-syndicated series, The Fulton Sheen Program, from 1961 to 1968 (first in black and white and then in color). The format of this series was essentially the same as Life Is Worth Living.

International Cassette Tape Ministry

In September 1974, the Archbishop of Washington asked Sheen to be the speaker for a retreat for diocesan priests at the Loyola Retreat House[21] in Faulkner, Maryland. This was recorded on reel-to-reel tape, state of the art at the time. [22]

Sheen requested that the recorded talks be produced for distribution. This was the first production of what would become a worldwide cassette tape ministry called Ministr-O-Media, a nonprofit company that operated on the grounds of St. Joseph’s Parish. The retreat album was titled, Renewal and Reconciliation, and included nine 60-minute audio tapes. [23]

For several years, Ministr-O-Media was one of the largest distributors of non-musical tapes in the United States.[citation needed] The operation started in the St. Joseph’s rectory dining room and eventually grew into five temporary classrooms on the church property, employing nine parishioners full-time, and at one point 18 workers in all. At its height, Ministr-O-Media staff and volunteers were packaging and mailing 500 albums a week, and in ten years, shipped a million tapes to clients worldwide. The effort generated income of $15,000 per week.[citation needed]

St. Joseph’s Parish was targeted to be closed due to lack of funding for repairs before the chance connection between Sheen and Brady.[citation needed] The parish, founded in 1763, owed its continued existence to the intervention of Sheen and the tape ministry that rebuilt the church, in collaboration with a dedicated workforce of parish volunteers.[citation needed]

At Sheen’s direction, most of the tape ministry profits were turned over to the pope’s worldwide missionary effort, the Society for the Propagation of the Faith. In its decade of existence, Ministr-O-Media routed over a quarter million U.S. dollars to this charity.[citation needed]

Evangelization

Sheen was credited with helping convert a number of notable figures to the Catholic faith, including agnostic writer Heywood Broun, politician Clare Boothe Luce, automaker Henry Ford II, Communist writer Louis F. Budenz, theatrical designer Jo Mielziner, violinist and composer Fritz Kreisler, and actress Virginia Mayo. Each conversion process took an average of 25 hours of lessons, and reportedly more than 95% of his students in private instruction were baptized.[8]

Later years

While serving in Rochester, he created the Sheen Ecumenical Housing Foundation, which survives to this day. He also spent some of his energy on political activities, such as his denunciation of the Vietnam War in late July 1967.[24] On Ash Wednesday in 1967, Sheen decided to give St. Bridget’s Parish building to the federal Housing and Urban Development program. Sheen wanted to let the government use it for African-Americans. There was a protest, since Sheen acted on his own accord. The pastor disagreed, saying that “There is enough empty property around without taking down the church and the school.” The deal fell through.[25]

On October 15, 1969, one month after celebrating his 50th anniversary as a priest, Sheen resigned from his position and was then appointed Archbishop of the Titular See of Newport (Wales) by Pope Paul VI. This ceremonial position allowed Sheen to continue his extensive writing. Archbishop Sheen wrote 73 books and numerous articles and columns.[19]

On October 2, 1979, two months before Sheen's death, Pope John Paul II visited St. Patrick's Cathedral in New York City and embraced Sheen, saying, "You have written and spoken well of the Lord Jesus Christ. You are a loyal son of the Church."

Death and legacy

Sheen died of heart disease on December 9, 1979, having previously had open-heart surgery at Lenox Hill Hospital.[19] He is interred in the crypt of St. Patrick's Cathedral, near the deceased Archbishops of New York. The official repository of Sheen's papers, television programs, and other materials is at St. Bernard's School of Theology and Ministry in Rochester, New York.[26]

Joseph Campanella introduces the re-runs of Sheen's various programs that are aired on EWTN. Reruns are also aired on Trinity Broadcasting Network. In addition to his television appearances, Archbishop Sheen can also be heard on Relevant Radio.

Cause for canonization

The Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen Foundation was formed in 1998 by Gregory J. Ladd and Lawrence F. Hickey to make known the life of the archbishop. The foundation approached Cardinal John O'Connor of the Archdiocese of New York for permission to commence the process of for cause, which was under the authority of the Diocese of Peoria.[5]

In 2002, Sheen's Cause for Canonization as a saint was officially opened, and from then on he was referred to as a "Servant of God".

On February 2, 2008, the archives of Sheen were sealed at a ceremony during a special Mass at the Cathedral of Saint Mary of the Immaculate Conception in Peoria, Illinois, where the diocese was sponsoring his canonization.[19]

In November 2010, it was announced that it was expected that the Archdiocese of New York would likely take over his cause for canonization upon an unsettled debate concerning the return of Sheen's remains to the Diocese of Peoria.[27]

In 2009, the diocesan phase of the investigation came to an end, and the records were sent to the Congregation for the Causes of Saints at the Vatican in Rome.

On June 28, 2012, the Vatican announced[28] officially that it had recognized Sheen's life as one of "heroic virtue". This is a major step towards an eventual beatification. From this moment on, Sheen is styled "Venerable Servant of God".

According to Catholic News Service and The Catholic Post (the official newspaper of the Peoria Diocese), the case of a boy who as an infant had no discernible pulse for 61 minutes (who was about to be declared dead at OSF Saint Francis Medical Center in Peoria, Illinois, as a stillborn infant) and yet allegedly still lived to be healthy – without physical or mental impairment – is in the preliminary stages of being investigated as the possible miracle needed for Archbishop Sheen's potential beatification. If the miracle is approved at the diocesan level, and then by the Congregation for the Causes of Saints at the Vatican (being both medically unexplainable and directly attributable theologically to Sheen's intercession according to expert panels in both subject areas), then beatification may proceed. Another such miracle would be required for him to be considered for canonization as a saint. On Wednesday, September 7, 2011, a tribunal of inquiry was sworn in to investigate the alleged healing. During a special Mass at 10:30 am on Sunday, December 11, 2011, at St. Mary's Cathedral in Peoria, the documentation gathered by the tribunal over nearly three months will be boxed and sealed. It will then be shipped to the Vatican for consideration by the Congregation for the Causes of Saints, concluding the diocesan tribunal's work- which makes up much of the diocese's work on the project.[29]

On Sunday, September 9, 2012, a Mass of Thanksgiving and banquet was held at St. Mary's Cathedral and the Spalding Pastoral Center in celebration of the advancement of Archbishop Sheen's cause, with Bishop Daniel R. Jenky, C.S.C., and his predecessor as Bishop of Peoria, Newark Archbishop John J. Myers (celebrating his 25th anniversary of episcopal ordination), in attendance, along with many of the clergy and religious of the Diocese and from around the country. Copies of the "Positio", or the book detailing the documentation behind his cause, were presented to Archbishop Myers, to representatives of the Church in other states, and to a delegate from the Archdiocese of Chicago, and to other patrons and supporters of his cause. According to statements made during the service by clergy connected to the Cause, the medical and theological study of the potential miracles needed for his beatification and canonization is currently well underway and at least one is seriously being considered. Due to new rules under Pope Benedict XVI stating that a beatification should occur locally, ideally in the candidate's home Diocese (which is usually but not always the Diocese that sponsors the Cause), it would likely take place in Peoria, the first there. Should he be beatified and canonized, he would be among a select few natives of the U.S. to hold that distinction.[30][31][32]

Selected books authored

God and Intelligence in Modern Philosophy (1925, Longmans, Green and Co.)
The Seven Last Words (1933, The Century Co.)
Philosophy of Science (1934, Bruce Publishing Co.)
The Eternal Galilean (1934, Appleton-Century-Crofts)
Calvary and the Mass (1936, P. J. Kenedy & Sons)
The Cross and the Beatitudes (1937, P. J. Kenedy & Sons)
Seven Words of Jesus and Mary (1945, P. J. Kenedy & Sons)
Communism and the Conscience of the West (1948, Bobbs-Merrill)
Peace of Soul (1949, McGraw–Hill)[33]
Three to Get Married (1951, Appleton-Century-Crofts)
The World's First Love (1952, McGraw-Hill)
Life Is Worth Living Series 1–5 (1953–1957, McGraw–Hill)
Way to Happiness (1953, Maco Magazine)
Way to Inner Peace (1955, Garden City Books)
Life of Christ (1958, McGraw–Hill)
Missions and the World Crisis (1963, Bruce Publishing Co.)
The Power of Love (1965, Simon & Schuster)
Footprints in a Darkened Forest (1967, Meredith Press)
Lenten and Easter Inspirations (1967, Maco Ecumenical Books)
Treasure in Clay: The Autobiography of Fulton J. Sheen (1980, Doubleday & Co.)

Further reading

Timothy H. Sherwood (2010), The Preaching of Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen: The Gospel Meets the Cold War. Lexington Books. 137 p.
Reeves, Thomas C. (2001), America’s Bishop. The Life and Times of Fulton J. Sheen. Encounter Books, San Francisco.
Irvin D. S. Winsboro, Michael Epple, "Religion, Culture, and the Cold War: Bishop Fulton J. Sheen and America's Anti-Communist Crusade of the 1950s," Historian, 71,2 (2009), 209–233.
An Enduring Journey of Faith: St. Joseph's Parish, Pomfret, Maryland, (2012 by St. Joseph's Church, Pomfret, MD, Harambee Productions, Inc. White Plains, MD 150 p)

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3.^ "The Venerable Fulton J. Sheen: a model of virtue for our time". News.va. Pontifical Council for Social Communications. June 30, 2012. Retrieved July 5, 2012.
4.^ http://catholic-hierarchy.org/bishop/bsheen.html
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33.^ This book was Sheen’s response to Rabbi Joshua L. Liebman’s 1946 best-seller Peace of Mind.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Patrick%27s_Cathedral,_New_York The Cathedral of St. Patrick (commonly called St. Patrick's Cathedral) is a decorated Neo-Gothic-style Roman Catholic cathedral church in the United States and a prominent landmark of New York City. It is the seat of the archbishop of the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of New York, and a parish church, located on the east side of Fifth Avenue between 50th and 51st Streets in midtown Manhattan, New York City, New York, directly across the street from Rockefeller Center and specifically facing the Atlas statue.

According to Catholic News Service (CNS) and the Catholic News Agency (CNA), Cardinal Timothy Michael Dolan, the incumbent Archbishop of New York, announced before reviewing the city's parade on St. Patrick's Day 2012 that the Cathedral would undergo a massive five-year, three-phase, $175 million renovation because of crumbling bricks, faulty heating, and acid rain and pollution that has eaten away at the Tuckahoe marble of the 135-year-old church. Early donors and grants from the Archdiocese and the Trustees of the Cathedral have already raised $45 million for the first phase, which began in late March. This involves repairing, restoring, and cleaning the soot-covered exterior, and an extensive cleaning of the outside and inside surfaces of the stained glass windows. The Cathedral will remain open during the renovations and work will pause during Masses, according to the Cathedral's rector, Monsignor Robert T. Ritchie.[3][4]

History

Purchase of the property

The land on which the present cathedral sits, sold by the city's aldermen in 1799 at a quit-rent, was purchased at auction for unpaid taxes in November 1828 by Francis Cooper, who conveyed it to the trustees of St. Peter's Church in the city that still lay far to the south.[5] The trustees intended it for a Catholic burial ground. The site at 50th Street and Fifth Avenue contained a "fine old house," which was then fitted with a chapel of St. Ignatius.[6] The school closed in 1814 and the Jesuits sold the lot to the diocese. In 1813, the diocese gave use of the property to Dom Augustin LeStrange, abbot of a community of Trappists (from the original monastery of La Trappe) who came to America fleeing persecution by French authorities. In addition to a small monastic community, they also looked after some thirty-three orphans. With the downfall of Napoleon in that year, the Trappists returned to France in 1815, abandoning the property. The property at this point was designated for a future cemetery. The neighboring orphanage was maintained by the diocese into the late nineteenth century. Some of the Trappists resettled to Canada and eventually founded St. Joseph's Abbey in Spencer, Massachusetts.[7]

Bishop DuBois reopened the chapel in 1840 for Catholics employed at the Deaf and Dumb Asylum and in the general neighborhood.[6] A modest frame church was built for the parish of St. John the Evangelist and dedicated May 9, 1841 by the Rev. John Hughes, administrator of the diocese. Tickets were sold to the dedication to ease the parish's debt level, managed by a lay Board of Trustees, but to no avail and the property mortgage was finally foreclosed on and the church sold at auction in 1844.[6] The stress is said to have contributed to the death that year of the church's pastor, the Rev. Felix Larkin.[6] The experience was blamed on the management of the trustees and this incident is said to have played a significant role in the abolishment of the lay trusteeship, which occurred shortly thereafter.[6] The young and energetic Rev. Michael A. Curran was appointed to raise funds for the devastated parish, and shortly fitted up an old college hall as a temporary church.[6] Fr. Curran continued raising funds to buy back the church during the Great Famine in Ireland, eventually succeeding and taking the deed in his own name.[6] "The site of St. Patrick's Cathedral, hence, came to the Church through the labors of this young priest and the self-denial of his countrymen and not by the fight of the city."[6] The debt was finally all paid for by 1853 when it was clear a large church was needed and the site was selected as appropriate for the new cathedral.[6]

Construction of the cathedral

The Diocese of New York, created in 1808, was made an archdiocese by Pope Pius IX on July 19, 1850. In 1853, Archbishop John Joseph Hughes announced his intention to erect a new cathedral to replace the Old Saint Patrick's Cathedral in downtown Manhattan. The new cathedral was designed by James Renwick, Jr. in the Gothic Revival style. On August 15, 1858, the cornerstone was laid, just south of the diocese's orphanage. At that time, present-day midtown Manhattan was far north of the populous areas of New York City.[8]

Work was begun in 1858 but was halted during the Civil War and resumed in 1865. The cathedral was completed in 1878 and dedicated on May 25, 1879, its huge proportions dominating the midtown of that time. The archbishop's house and rectory were added from 1882 to 1884, and an adjacent school (no longer in existence) opened in 1882.[9] The spires were added in 1888, and an addition on the east, including a Lady chapel, designed by Charles T. Mathews, was begun in 1900.[10] The Lady Chapel's stained-glass windows were made between 1912 and 1930 by English stained glass artist and designer Paul Vincent Woodroffe.[11] In 1927 and 1931, the cathedral was renovated, which included enlarging the sanctuary and installing the great organ.[12] The cathedral and associated buildings were declared a National Historic Landmark in 1976.[2][13][14]

Restoration

The cathedral is undergoing a huge restoration that will last a planned 3 years at a cost of $177 million.[15]

Architectural features

The cathedral, which can accommodate 2,200 people, is built of brick clad in marble, quarried in Massachusetts and New York. It takes up a whole city block, between 50th and 51st streets, Madison Avenue and Fifth Avenue. At the transepts it is 174 feet wide and 332 feet long. The spires rise 330 feet (100 meters) from street level. The slate for the roof came from Monson, Maine.[11]

Stained glass

The windows were made by artists in Boston, Massachusetts and European artists from Chartres, France Birmingham, England. Charles Connick created the rose window.[11]

Altar

The Roman artist Paolo Medici designed the Saint Elizabeth altar. The Saint John Baptist de la Salle altar, one of the few original side-chapel altars, was sculpted by Dominic Borgia. The Papal bull is featured in the adjoining stained-glass window. Tiffany & Co. designed the Saint Louis and the Saint Michael altar.[11]

In the late 1930s and early 1940s, there was a renovation of the cathedral's main altar area under the guidance of Archbishop Francis Spellman, then cardinal. The previous high altar and reredos were removed and are now located at Spellman's alma mater, Fordham University, in the University Church. The new items include the sanctuary bronze baldachin and the rose stained glass window. The altar was further renovated in the 1980s, under the direction of Cardinal John Joseph O'Connor. To be more visible to the congregation, a stone altar was built from sections of the side altars and added to the middle of the sanctuary.[11]

Art works

The Pietà, sculpted by William Ordway Partridge, is three times larger than Michelangelo's Pietà. The cathedral's Stations of the Cross won a 1893 artistry prize at Chicago's World's Columbian Exposition. Commemorating his visit to the city in 1979, Pope John Paul II bust is located in the rear of the cathedral.[11]

Organs

The original pipe organs, built by George Jardine & Son in the 19th century, have been replaced. The chancel organ, in the north ambulatory, was made by the St. Louis, Missouri, firm of George Kilgen & Son, and installed in 1928; it has 3,920 pipes. The grand gallery organ, by the same company, was installed in 1930, and has 5,918 pipes.[16]

The combined organs, totaling 177 stops and 9,838 pipes, can be played from either of two five-manual consoles installed in the early 1990s to replace the original Kilgen consoles.

Burials and funeral Masses

Located underneath the high altar is a crypt in which notable Catholic figures that served the Archdiocese are entombed. They include:

The eight past deceased Archbishops of New York:
John Joseph Hughes (interred 1883)
John Cardinal McCloskey (interred 1885)
Michael Augustine Corrigan (interred 1902)
John Murphy Cardinal Farley (interred 1918)
Patrick Joseph Cardinal Hayes (interred 1938)
Francis Joseph Cardinal Spellman (interred 1967)
Terence James Cardinal Cooke (interred 1983)
John Joseph Cardinal O'Connor (interred 2000)

Other interments:
Michael J. Lavelle (Cathedral Rector and Vicar General; interred 1939)
Joseph F. Flannelly (Auxiliary Bishop, 1948–1969; interred 1973)
Fulton J. Sheen (Auxiliary Bishop, 1951–1965, later bishop of Rochester; interred 1979)
John Maguire (Coadjutor Archbishop, 1965–1980; interred 1989)
Pierre Toussaint (interred 1990)

In the above list, Cardinal O'Connor declared Pierre Toussaint and Cardinal Cooke to be servants of God, a step in process of being declared a saint of the Catholic Church. Toussaint was declared venerable in 1996 by Pope John Paul II and Archbishop Sheen was declared venerable on June 28, 2012.

Four of the Cardinals' galeros (those of Cardinals McCloskey, Farley, Hayes, and Spellman) are located high above the crypt at the back of the sanctuary. Cardinal Spellman's galero was also worn by Pope Pius XII (as Cardinal Eugenio Pacelli) until the latter's election to the papacy at the 1939 Papal conclave. In 1967, the ceremony of the consistory was revised by Pope Paul VI and therefore no galero was presented to Cardinal Cooke or any of his successors.

Some notable people whose Requiem Masses were said at the cathedral include New York Yankees greats Babe Ruth, Roger Maris, and Billy Martin; legendary football coach Vince Lombardi, singer Celia Cruz, former Attorney General and U.S. Senator from New York Robert F. Kennedy, New York Giants owner Wellington Mara, and former Governor of New York Hugh Carey. Special memorial Masses were also held at the cathedral following the deaths of artist Andy Warhol, baseball player Joe DiMaggio, and noted author William F. Buckley, Jr.

In popular culture
The film Miracle in the Rain (1956) was filmed in the cathedral.
Nelson DeMille's novel, Cathedral, (1981) concerns a fictional seizure and threatened destruction of Saint Patrick's Cathedral by members of the Irish Republican Army. Much of the novel is set in and around the cathedral and details of the cathedral's structure contribute important elements to the plot.
Progressive-metal band Savatage's album Streets: A Rock Opera (1991) features a song called "St. Patrick's" during which the main character, DT Jesus, speaks to God in the cathedral demanding an explanation for his misfortunes.
In the Giannina Braschi's novel, Empire of Dreams (1994), the ringing of the church bells at the cathedral marks a pastoral revolution in New York City.
The cathedral appeared in the 2002 movie Spider-Man, when Spider-Man saves Mary Jane Watson and leaves her on one of the Rockefeller Center roof gardens across the street.
The cathedral features prominently in James Patterson's novel, Step on a Crack (2007) and in the graphic novel version of Maximum Ride (2005).
In Stephen Frey's 2001 novel "Trust Fund" the cathedral is the venue for a double family funeral.
The underground ruins were the setting for the climax of Beneath the Planet of the Apes (1970) where Taylor destroyed Earth with the Alpha-Omega bomb. Centuries earlier, mutant humans surviving a nuclear holocaust founded a religion on the bomb (later depicted in Battle for the Planet of the Apes), reconsecrated the cathedral to their new religion, and installed the bomb in front of the organ pipes in place of the crucifix.
In the ABC television series Ugly Betty, the cathedral was used as the venue for the wedding of Wilhelmina Slater to Bradford Meade.
In the 2008 video game Grand Theft Auto IV, this seems to be the basis for the Columbus Cathedral in Hatton Gardens.

See also

Roman Catholic Archdiocese of New York

Notes

1.^ "National Register Information System". National Register of Historic Places. National Park Service. 2009-03-13.
2.^ a b St. Patrick's Cathedral, Lady Chapel, Rectory and Cardinal's Residence. National Historic Landmark summary listing, September 18, 2007. National Park Service.
3.^ Restoring St. Patrick's Cathedral to cost $175 million, take five years. Catholic News Service. March 19, 2012. Retrieved September 4, 2012
4.^ Cardinals launch drive to restore St. Patrick’s Cathedral. Catholic News Service. March 20, 2012. Retrieved September 4, 2012.
5.^ Farley, John Murphy. (1908). History of St. Patrick's Cathedral Society for the propagation of the faith. p. 112ff.
6.^ a b c d e f g h i Lafort, Remigius, S.T.D., Censor. (1914). The Catholic Church in the United States of America: Undertaken to Celebrate the Golden Jubilee of His Holiness, Pope Pius X. Volume 3. New York City: The Catholic Editing Company. pp. 339-340.
7.^ Farley, John M. (1908). History of St. Patrick's Cathedral. Society for the Propagation of the Faith.
8.^ Farley, John Murphy. (1908). History of St. Patrick's Cathedral Society for the propagation of the faith. pp. 49, 111, 115, 122.
9.^ Farley, John Murphy. (1908). History of St. Patrick's Cathedral Society for the propagation of the faith. pp. 127-128, 130, 151.
10.^ Farley, John Murphy. (1908). History of St. Patrick's Cathedral Society for the propagation of the faith. pp. 140, 163.
11.^ a b c d e f St. Patrick’s Cathedral (RC). New York City Architecture. Retrieve 4 September 2012.
12.^ Cathedral of Saint Patrick. The NYC Chapter of the American Guild of Organists. Retrieve 4 September 2012.
13.^ Pitts, Carolyn. "St. Patrick's Cathedral, Lady Chapel, Rectory, and Cardinal's Residence". National Register of Historic Places Inventory-Nomination. August 1976. National Park Service.
14.^ St. Patrick's Cathedral, Lady Chapel, Rectory, and Cardinal's Residence. National Register of Historic Places Inventory-Nomination. August 1976. National Park Service.
15.^ St. Patrick’s Cathedral Set To Undergo $177 Million Restoration. CBS News New York. July 7, 2012.
16.^ Unknown writer (undated)."Cathedral of Saint Patrick" NYC Chapter of the American Guild of Organists. Accessed August 12, 2009.

Please remember that this thread is a mental and spiritual gymnasium which is intended to make all of us think -- and that it does not necessarily reflect my true views. Sorry if this post is somewhat repetitious. What about mostly studying materials which are at least five years old, but less than five hundred years old, so as to be able to gain a proper perspective, yet still be able to verify sources, and know something about authorship? Wouldn't this help to avoid sensationalism, and also avoid having to deal with fragments, obscure ancient languages, or the deciphering of hieroglyphics? 1511 AD to 2006 AD? Just a thought. I like to read the Bible, but how do I really know that what I'm reading is accurate, or that it is what the original authors actually wrote? I continue to be interested in idealistic theology, but I have become somewhat pessimistic regarding using the Bible as a modern infallible standard. Anyway, the infowar will be ongoing and problematic. I'm going to see what sort of mileage I can get out of Responsibility and the U.S. Constitution, at least as being a frame of reference or a base camp. I don't wish to be harsh and narrow, but I do wish to avoid becoming lost at sea, or to avoid beating upon the rocks of who knows what absurdities? There is so much information to wade through. How should we properly sort everything out? If you don't stand for something, you tend to fall for anything. If one does not believe in God, the problem is that they will then be much more likely to believe in just about anything. I like thinking about a Vatican-Based Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System, regardless of where it should be headquartered, or who should preside over it. At this point, it is a mental and spiritual exercise for me. It's an ultimate neo-reformation, if you will. Admittedly, the problems connected with implementation and application would be huge. It might not work, but thinking about it might help us to determine what would work. I'm finding it to be a helpful starting point. Look at the pluralistic mass of information I have collected in connection with these few words!!! Once again, take this thread as a whole, when considering the possibility of a United States of the Solar System, based solidly on a foundation of Responsibility. Sorry for the repetition, but theme and variation is a useful tool, in music and politics!! It sounds as though my threads are about to go up in smoke because of copyright and forum issues. I smell a rat, but what do I know? I continue to believe that I don't have things figured-out at all. I'm just making this up as I go completely insane. Is this an alien with a bong filled with orgone water??!!! What fate Omoroca? How does this dude blow his nose? What would Sherry Shriner say??? I'm going to listen to six hours straight of Sherry Shriner to try to get my pius-zombie head together...

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My computer is running slower than constipation, and I think I know why. I once attended a couple of lectures by Charles Thomas Casey. I think he was a grandson of Edgar Casey. It was quite interesting, but I don't remember the details, and I'm not sure why I didn't pursue the work of Edgar Casey. I come from a somewhat suspicious and paranoid religious tradition, which might explain some of my reluctance to jump right in to something supernatural and spooky. I was attending a Whole Life Expo, and I was a bit overwhelmed by everything. I was also singing in four televised church services at the time, two on Saturday (Sabbath) and two on Sunday, so I was a bit overchurched, to say the least! How does one properly combine order, organization, and discipline with freedom and creativity? How does one properly avoid confusion and anarchy? There are probably seven billion different opinions regarding politics and religion, and how they should relate to each other, so do we need a super father or mother figure to bring order out of chaos? If we keep a certain few items constant, in a minimalist-traditionalist approach, can we then safely engage in a responsible and harmonious pluralism? If the center doesn't hold, we're pretty much screwed, aren't we? Would a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System be a center which would hold? My answer is that it would depend on what people infused this concept with. It could work, or it could fail. What are the psychological, ethical, political, and religious implications and ramifications of a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System? Would such a concept compete with the Roman Catholic Church and maybe China or Russia, or could there be a grand and glorious integration? I really don't know. Again, it would depend on what people brought to the table. I really don't favor a particular race, religion, or country. I really don't. I'm trying to be a watcher from a distance, and do that which is in EVERYONE'S BEST INTEREST. But does that sort of approach make EVERYONE UNHAPPY???

There are some aspects of the Nazi phenomenon, which might have it's roots in Gizeh Intelligence (or equivalent), which have-been, and are, quite attractive, but with legion and devastating final-solutions. Fame, Fortune, Power, Pleasure, and Technology are big draws for a lot of people. But reprehensible means lead to unthinkable ends. Just keep researching a wide variety of subjects. A couple of interesting books which combine politics and religion in a historical setting are 'Hitler's Pope' by John Cornwell, and 'The Keys of This Blood' by Malachi Martin. I'm thinking about going back to church, not because they teach the truth, but because of community. 'The Rise of the Fourth Reich' by Jim Marrs, is an excellent book regarding the persistence of the Nazi phenomenon. I think we need to study the history of the 20th century very carefully, or the human race might not make it to the 22nd century. I will continue to be honest, rather than sanitizing my true feelings with love and light. Intensity and honesty seems to be viewed as being a vice rather than a virtue. I know how to do placid and peaceful. Been there and done that. I just watched a documentary on Heinrich Himmler, and I'm presently agonizing over the Nazi phenomenon. Why didn't the Germans simply promote excellence, and leave everyone alone? Why go to war at all? Why didn't they simply try to win the hearts and minds of the rest of the world, without fighting with them? The Nazi Party seemed to be an authoritarian humanist religion. If one can grapple with the horrors of history, and remain placid and happy, then something is seriously wrong with them. I hope some good guys and gals with Cray Supercomputers are saving the best internet content, and engaging in expert analysis 24/7. I think this infowar is just warming up, and that we haven't seen anything yet. I'd love for things to be resolved and placid by December 21, 2012, but at this point, I'm bracing for the worst, and for a long and drawn-out conflict, which might involve the entire solar system. But I'm pleading with everyone, weak and strong, to keep the infowar completely non-violent. I realize that there are huge issues to discuss and argue about, but hurting and killing should be kept completely off the table. Justice should be delivered in a legal context, and without capital, cruel, or unusual punishment. I don't wish to just sweep everything under the galactic rug, hold hands (or whatever), and sing kumbaya, but I get the feeling that there have been way too many star wars, over billions of years. I want this to be over, but I'm certainly not holding my breath. Well, I might be going down for the 30th time, but I'm going to try to stay down this time, in my Shallow Underground Civilian Base, and just read books and watch documentaries. I might even enter a Vibrational Rehab Center to try to vibrate fast enough to make a difference. I have no idea what I'm supposed to be thinking and doing. I got the distinct impression today, that someone does not like what I'm thinking and doing, but I'm not sure if that is a good thing or a bad thing. Everything seems like a big, sick, most dangerous game. I just wish to turn Purgatory into Paradise. Is this unreasonable or irresponsible? I'm sensing no love from anyone, good or bad. So, once again, are we stuck with either the Old World Order or the New World Order? Is there another better option? What the hell is really going on? Damned if I know, but this thrashing madness of mine is over, for now anyway. This thread is born of insecurity, rather than arrogance. It is merely a tool. It is a means to an end, rather than being the answer to life, the universe, and everything. Namaste. Mea Culpa. Kyrie Eleison. Good-Night. God Bless You. And God Bless the United States (slight pause) of the Solar System. Geronimo! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAzD2Y-opJo&feature=related

I was finally going to stop, but here I go again. I like the idea of a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System, with a University of Solar System Studies and Governance being an integral part of this Brave New Solar System. There might be a hundred campuses located throughout the solar system. I think the best aspects of all political and religious systems could be incorporated into a United States of the Solar System. The idea is to end up with 10,000 of the best and the brightest highly educated and trained representatives, who are not corrupted in any way, shape, or form. I don't know enough about the various beings and factions in the world, solar system, galaxy, and universe to make proper determinations and judgments about them at this time. I simply wish for the corrupt and evil bullshit to cease and desist in this solar system, with all deliberate speed. Do not twist and misuse my words and intentions. I desire only the best for this solar system. Perhaps I should narrow my study to 'The Federalist Papers', 'The Anti-Federalist Papers', The United States Constitution and Bill of Rights, in the context of Nature and Sacred Classical Music. Studying this subject while listening to appropriate music makes all the difference in the world. I am not in bed with any particular race, country, or religion. I might be confused or deceived, but my intentions are to do that which is in everyone's best interest. I remain open to all beings and all points of view, but I am quite suspicious and paranoid at this point. I am attempting neutrality, to the best of my ability. I have tried to keep things light, throughout this thread, but I am very serious about cleaning up the mess in this solar system. Formality and informality both have their proper spheres, and I will attempt to be sensitive regarding what is appropriate and inappropriate in various contexts. Would all of the above need to be theocratically approved, established, and administered? I tend to think so, but I don't know enough about the true state of affairs, regarding God, Satan, Angels, Demons, the Human, and the Divine. I continue to fly-blind, with not nearly enough reliable information. A brutal gang of facts, or a brutal gang of dracs, could change everything. I still don't have an enemies list, but I continue to work on one, as I continue to try to understand. Namaste.

Is competition an integral part of freedom? Are deception, cruelty, and moral ambiguity integral parts of competition? Can pure love compete in the reptilian eat human solar system we live in? I'm leaning toward responsibility and response-ability as being a modus operandi where the good guys and gals can actually win, instead of huddling in a corner, singing kumbaya, while the bad guys and gals rule the solar system. I really do want the good guys and gals to win, but a lot of what masquerades as love and goodness is really naivety and stupidity, and I have engaged in plenty of this myself, which is why I know so much about it. Has high-technology made us safer and happier people? Has it really made things better? Was the Industrial Revolution a good idea? Are all of the Weapons of Mass Destruction making the solar system a really great place? I'm not anti high-tech or anti factory, but probably 90% of this complex mess should be eliminated. Is the world an environmentally better place than it was a century ago? Have we made this world much more beautiful and peaceful, or have we turned it into a toilet and a slaughterhouse? Answer these questions honestly, instead of just struggling to get more and more and more. I wish to turn this solar system into a paradise for everyone, not just for some select faction, religion, or race. I support a responsible pluralism. Obviously, defining and applying this would be something to behold. Once again, please study this thread as a whole, rather than just reading a couple of posts, and then issuing a verdict. This thread is a mental and spiritual exercise, and a means to an end, rather than being the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. This thread is intended to make you face yourself, and think. One more thing. Please understand that I have engaged in a certain amount of role-playing and imagined-importance in this thread. Little people with inferiority complexes, sometimes imagine themselves in important roles and situations. It's sort of fun, and it can be instructional, but it really is dreamland, and there are massive doses of dreamland in this thread. But I have attempted to approximate what I think the hidden realities might really be. Once again, I would love to play some sort of a role in a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar Sytem, but this would have to be in one of my future lives. I'm sort of a basket-case in this life, but in a good way. I mean well, but Raven was right, I am a completely ignorant fool, and I know it. We all have our crosses to bear.
Take a very close look at the Knights Templar and the Teutonic Knights. Where and when did they REALLY originate? What have they been doing for the past 500 years, in particular? What are they doing presently? Are there two or three factions, or are they monolithic? What if they really go back into ancient Sirius, Atlantis, Babylon, Egypt, Greece, and Rome? What if they are at the center of the Bloody Drama on this Prison Planet in Rebellion? Are they the Secret Government? I haven't really gotten into this, but I see and smell a helluva lot of smoke, and the smoke is just pouring out of my ears. Consider the Praying and Fighting aspects of the Knights. What might be the World War II parallels? Do we basically need to reform all factions and aspects of the Knights Templar and Teutonic Knights, or whatever names they presently use? Read between the lines here. I don't want to speculate too freely in this area. I think this might be playing with hotter fire than I'm prepared to handle. One more time. 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z7O7UZxipM 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiMgwNw9Tyw

Has anyone considered or attempted Expository Preaching based upon 'The Teachings of Jesus', 'The Federalist Papers', and 'The Anti-Federalist Papers', in the interest of 'Responsible Freedom', in the Context of the Cathedral? What if there were a French Romantic Organ Prelude (foreplay), followed by a Processional with French Romantic Choral Music, followed by a French Romantic Choral Anthem, followed by Expository Preaching Based Upon 'The Teachings of Jesus', 'The Federalist Papers' and the 'Anti-Federalist Papers', followed by a French Romantic Choral Work, followed by a Recessional with French Romantic Choral Music, followed by a Climactic French Romantic Organ Postlude, with Bells and Fireworks Outside???? Why won't anyone talk to me about any of this? I'm not just talking to the regular posters. I'm talking to everyone who monitors this site and thread. You probably know a helluva lot more about what's really going on than I do, and you could very easily carry on an intelligent conversation with me. Why is there a conversational brick wall? I'm dumber and smarter than you think. I could explain, but it's complicated. I'm just starting to figure it out, and I'm probably making a lot of mistakes, but they are just stumbling baby steps on the road to utopia. Check this out. You can watch services from Notre Dame in Paris. I've spoken of Latin Masses, but I really just like listening to services in languages other than English, so I can read, write, or just think, while listening to them. Don't crucify me regarding my comments on Latin Masses. I would still like to know the full story behind the origins of the Latin Mass and the Novus Ordo Mass. I'm not Catholic, so go easy on me, as I try to understand a lot of things which most people couldn't care less about. http://www.ktotv.com/videos-chretiennes/emissions/messe-a-notre-dame/messe-a-notre-dame-messe-du-dimanche-soir/00060005 I love the music!!! Je T'aime Notre Dame de Paris!!!

Imagine being in a room with 100 of the best and brightest individuals in the solar system - discussing solar system governance issues. What might that be like? Is this the way it should be? But how would one ensure that you really had the 100 best and brightest individuals? How would one keep this group from becoming cold, hard, cynical, and corrupt? So many things start out looking so very promising, and then they go to hell in a hurry. Would an Idealized Queen of Heaven really be the best final authority? Imagine dealing with an Uber Competent Queen of Heaven in a Temple Palace on the Moon. What might that be like? If they were really, really good - that would be an exhilarating experience, especially if they were really, really sexy!! But what if they made Bloody Mary look like Mother Teresa? How about Kali or Hathor on a bad day?? Think about it. The human race should be treated with dignity and respect, and be given appropriate levels of responsibility, but does there need to be a theocratic authority of last resort? If people are treated like children, they're going to act like children. But, on the other hand, if they are allowed to run wild, they might exterminate themselves rather quickly. Where is the happy medium or proper balance point in all of this governance madness? I really just want things to operate properly, and for wars, starvation, gross-injustice, etc. to be completely eliminated. The drama should be kept to an absolute minimum. There are probably hundreds of viable models of solar system governance, which would work just fine, but a Theocratically Implemented, Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System is the one I'm going to run with, until I find something better, and I am open to being shown something better. But it better be really good! This thread is not born of arrogance and superiority, but rather of insecurity and inferiority. I'm really just trying to make sense out of things, so as to try to help make things better for everyone. I like a mixture of the royal model, the servant model, formality, informality, democracy, and theocracy. Even if there has been historical and contemporary governmental malfeasance, a new team might not be much better. I really am trying to understand that which has been hidden from the goyim and commoners. I hate having to keep guessing about all of this, but when I really find out the truth, I might hate myself regarding my historical reincarnational role in the troubles which have plagued this solar system. Ignorance is bliss, right?

I deal in possibilities and probabilities, and I also mostly connect dots to information which has been revealed by others. But I do this very passively, and only on this little forum. I think most of those who read what I write, know a lot more than I do, even though they rarely comment. I have no credentials, so my credibility is zero. Even if I'm mostly right, the impact is probably close to zero. It's not like I've been given the grand-tour by a group of Dracs and Tall, Long-Nosed Greys, and then told not to tell anyone. I really don't know, but I worry constantly, and I suspect deception and foul-play on a grand scale. And no, it's not worth it, but I do it anyway. It might be of some benefit to someone, somehow, somewhere, somewhen. This is sort of like 'Mr. Smith Goes to Phobos'. This is honestly an attempt to reconstruct a badly shattered faith, but it obviously is not working. They promised me a rose-garden. They lied. I'm not complaining about the primrose path. It's what's at the end of the path that troubles me. The light at the end of the tunnel might be an oncoming magneto-leviton train travelling at mach 2. They never promised me a rose-garden in Avalon or the Mists of Avalon, and I don't expect one here, or on Phobos, for that matter. But the truth of our predicament seems to have been carefully hidden by both the good guys and the bad guys. They all have their reasons. But it seems to me that the time has come for the truth to be tactfully revealed to everyone, regardless of whether satisfactory solutions can be achieved, or not. My continued speculation might prepare myself and others for whatever horrors await us, just around the corner. I'm trying to keep all of this in the realm of science-fiction, and mostly for a morbid sort of entertainment. If someone becomes upset by this, they can be consoled that I'm just a stupid crackpot conspiracy theorist, rather than a credentialed whistleblower. If the Mists of Avalon gets taken down, perhaps we can start the Fog of Phobos...

Take a look at this documentary on the Dead Sea Scrolls. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzLfZgzuN-s Here is an interesting lecture. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92hyhBXLaWE I continue to experience a profound and devastating crisis of faith, but I also continue to believe that biblical and theological studies are foundational for bigger and better things. Don't just write-off the Bible and Religion, and avoid the whole subject. As unpleasant as it might be, I think we need to properly deal with this. It's really hard to master calculus, without learning algebra and trigonometry. I've been trying to keep one foot in the Old Age and the other foot in the New Age, and I'm doing the splits.

The antediluvian world was supposedly surrounded by some sort of a mist, which did not exist post-deluge. Is there any evidence of such a mist, and what it might've consisted of? The chem-trails (laced with radioactive materials?), Fukushima (deliberately inflicted?), and weather modification (courtesy of HAARP?) might be designed to produce conditions conducive to certain life-forms. Is this possible? Some speak of the 'veil being lifted'. What are they referring to? Are we going to be dealing with zombies, giants, and plf's? How might orgone affect humans and other than humans, physically and on a soul-level? I'm feeling a tremendous sense of dread. Perhaps I should make my shallow underground civilian base a bit deeper. Can you dig it? In the biblical record, Adam lived to the ripe, old age of 939 earth years, but in a very short time period, people were lucky to make it to 100. What the hell happened? That can't possibly be blamed on 'The Fall' can it? Then, 'God' was sorry that 'he' created 'man', and committed genocide, nearly wiping-out the entire human race. In Babylon, 'God' seemed to forbid a One World Government and the Unification of Humanity. I am not a slave to the biblical scrolls, but I do think they contain important clues.

Has anyone read any Ralph Ellis books, such as 'Jesus: Last of the Pharaohs'? How about any of Gerald Massey's books, such as 'The Historical Jesus and the Mythical Christ'? Both authors focus upon the intersection of Biblical Studies and Egyptology. Does anyone have any thoughts regarding Biblical Egyptology? What about Michael / Horus / Mithras / Jesus / ??? as being a reincarnating archangel, or even a reptilian queen on a soul-level? Perhaps a forbidden genetic hybridization program resulted in an undesirable and threatening product of conception, namely the human race. I am interested in idealistic government and religion, and even the constructive combining of the two, but I'm not seeing much of a solid historical foundation for this sort of thing. Is the human race predestined to defeat, by divine design? Am I getting warm (due to increased levels of radioactivity?), or am I just cracking-up? Sometimes I feel like a potted-plant. What would Brendan Sullivan say? Anyway, has anyone read or re-read 'Megatrends' or 'Future Shock' lately, to see how things have played-out in relation to the forecasts and projections? Should I be reading Daniel and the Revelation in the Holy Bible, for the real-deal about the future? Should I try to change the future, or is it pretty-much already determined? Have the gods and goddesses made up their minds what they're going to do with us, or to us? Or, has the Creator God of the Universe decided what to do with the gods and goddesses - and with us? Is the ball in our court, or not? I guess I'm seeking a productive partnership of the Human and the Divine, whatever that really means. Where does the BS stop, and the truth begin? Which Heins 57 varieties of religion and philosophy do we embrace? How shall we then live? Should we just eat, drink, and be merry, as we prepare to die? Please listen to this Bill Cooper video, over and over again. Please determine how much of it is true. I think a lot of it is true, but my interpretation is somewhat different than the conclusions which Bill arrive at. This material is enough to drive a man to irritability and drunkeness. I've never had a drink in my life, but I'm tempted to become an alcoholic, and join the Friends of Bill Cooper! Sorry Bill. I have no respect, even for my friends! Would Mt. Weather be a good United States of the Solar System Headquarters? How about Camp David? What about the Crater Copernicus? If nothing else works out, there's always Phobos! Should I rent a Ferrari, and do my version of 'On the Beach'? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upg2eqNbF3w&feature=related What would Jon Shirley say? What would Shirley Maclaine say? Wait. Don't tell me. Once again, I want to make it clear that I don't hate anyone, but I am annoyed by nearly everyone. I'm really just trying to understand, and to then respond responsibly. I'm very hesitant to throw stones, because I might live in a glass house. Hell, I spent years in a glass cathedral. I really just want to resolve this mess, and move on to bigger and better things, with all deliberate speed. I'm going to spend years attempting to sleep in the bed I've made in this thread. I intend to remain virtually invisible and low key, but who knows what the future will bring, if we even have a future.

The following is just a current theory of mine. I speculate a lot. I somehow think that in antiquity, Michael/Jesus was instrumental in the intelligent design and genetic engineering of male and female human beings, and that this was considered to be the original and unpardonable sin in a reptilian universe. Then, this rebellion was put-down by the Old World Order. At some point Michael/Jesus tried to take back the solar system with a New World Order, which was quickly put-down. At some point, a Counterfeit New World Order came into existence, and battled with the Old World Order. I think Michael/Jesus has largely been disempowered for a very long time. I'm hoping that a New Solar System will replace both the Old World Order and the New World Order. I have tried to approximate what I think the New Solar System might be like, by hypothetically creating a Theocratically-Implemented, Responsibility-Based, United States of the Solar System. The crucifixion might've originally occurred in ancient Atlantis, Babylon, or Egypt, simply as a punishment, with Jesus as a Sinner in the Hands of an Angry God. Then, the story was later modified into the version we are taught in the churches. The crucifixion is essentially a human-sacrifice, and the eucharist is essentially cannibalism, especially when the doctrine of transubstantiation is taken literally and seriously. The substitutionary atonement promises that we can be considered as being good, even if we continue to be bad. I agree with Bernard Shaw, that the substitutionary atonement is unethical. I think we simply must be good, which means we must be responsible, and make the problems of others, our problems. We really are our brother's and sister's keepers. A human sacrifice and cannibalism (symbolic or literal) will not get us off the hook with a legitimate deity. But we might be dealing with regressive and vengeful deities, who use God's name in vain, to punish and enslave us. Read 'The God's of Eden' by William Bramley, 'The Great Controversy' by Ellen White, and 'Rule by Secrecy' by Jim Marrs, as evidence for this hypothesis. Crucifixes do not honor Jesus Christ. They are hideous, and most of them should be removed. Obviously, stained-gl@ss windows, and such, should be left alone, as works of art, and integral parts of existing buildings.

Anyway, the Teachings of Jesus emphasize being ethical and righteous. The writings of Paul promote the substitutionary atonement, and many consider Paul to be a heretic against the message of Christ. Paul did not follow the Great Commission in Matthew 28. He started an essentially new religion, which was not based upon the Teachings of Jesus. As far as I can tell, no church in 2,000 years has followed the Teachings of Jesus as it's doctrinal statement, and rule of faith and practice. I'd love to be proven wrong, but no one seems to wish to talk to me, regardless of whether they agree with me, or not. No one really seems to give a damn. I have also seen the little white amoeba-like lights between me and the computer screen today. I know someone hates me, but at least they are interested in what I'm doing. I think this thing is really nasty and bitter, and I don't think I know 5% of what has really gone on for thousands and even millions of years. I have no animosity presently, but if I knew the full story, I might start applying the war-paint and beating the drums of war! Unfortunately, we're not dealing with sticks and stones anymore. We're dealing with planet-busting WMD's. So, I will continue to attempt to be a neutral pacifist, rather than a war monger. The regressives would probably kick my @$$ anyway!!!! There has been minimal dialogue on this thread, and then, in the past couple of months, conversation has dried-up completely. I have some ideas. I'm challenging the status-quo, and while I intend no harm, the implications and ramifications of my challenge might be very far-reaching. Again, I continue to fly blind. I'm just trying to do the right thing, despite feeling like poop most of the time. But this doesn't seem to be welcome and appreciated. I guess I'm attempting a jail-break, but it's really a nice and peaceful jail-break. This all seems so futile. I really just want things to make sense, and for this solar system to be run properly. Herein probably lies the problem. I am criticizing the prison planet administration, and I am trying to convert a harsh and punishing prison into a peaceful paradise. This might be attempting an impossibility. I just don't know the true nature of our predicament. I doubt that the management is incompetent, but I do think it is corrupt and cruel. But what the hell do I know?

What's going on with China and Korea? I feel very apprehensive. I have heard some troubling things, which I can't verify, and which I'd rather not talk about. To all concerned, be very careful, and don't believe everything the Secret Government (or equivalent) tells you. I continue to think there is a hidden power which incites and causes us to war with each other. We need to stop falling for this bullshit. Again, I am not partial toward any race, religion, or country. I'm White, American, Christian, and Male, but I'm doing my best to be a composite of everyone and everything, if you know what I mean. A Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System might not be particularly American, if you know what I mean. My continued discussion of the Roman Catholic Church doesn't mean that I'm in bed with the Pope. There is a positive and a negative side to everyone and everything, and I wish to accentuate the positive, eliminate the negative, and get rid of the dracs! Just kidding! I'd still like to hang-out with the Dracs on Phobos! Someone told me that they like me, but I'm not sure why, or if that was a sarcastic comment. I simply wish to give everyone a fair shake, but obviously I don't know what's really been going on throughout the solar system for thousands of years. Full disclosure might change everything. I will attempt to adapt appropriately and ethically to changing circumstances and situations. What would Joseph Fletcher say? I know what he told me privately, but it was rather negative, and wouldn't apply to this post! BTW, is Titan the new Prison Planet? If so, is it really big enough? Just wondering. If they cause any trouble, airlock 'em!!! I'm half-joking and half-serious! Probably keeping them in a Deep Underground Faraday-Shielded Maximum-Security Prison would be the best idea. For now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANqYvooR4Rs&feature=fvsr Should eating people be a capital offense? Are people really being eaten? Alex Collier says yes. Sherry Shriner says yes. I haven't said much about this, because it is so horrific and sensational, and because I don't know. I have chosen to focus on solar system governance as a method of dealing with whatever horrors exist in this solar system, which might include non-humans eating humans, or even humans eating humans. We don't seem to be bothered by humans eating non-humans, do we? Well, actually it does bother me, because I'm a vegetarian. Nothing would surprise me, at this point. I am becoming more jaded and cynical than you can imagine. I really doubt that participation in solar system governance would bring happiness and fulfillment. One might become a cold and heartless bastard, which is why I like the idea of a rational and organized rotation of power, with plenty of oversight, checks, and balances. But what do I know? Probably very little. I'm going to spend a lot of time listening to Alex Jones. I'm not recommending this to others, but it's something I need to do. I need some of what Alex has, but not too much! I like Ron Paul and Alex Jones, regardless of any hidden agendas. Also, consider studying 1. Science. 2. Theology. 3. Science Fiction. 4. New Age. 5. Conspiracy Theories. I'm not sure why I wrote that, but I think each of us needs to find a proper balance of several subjects. I like the words 'multidisciplinary' and 'pluralistic'.

Are there good Dracs, Greys, Hybrids, Nazis, Masons, Magicians, Jesuits, and Alphabet Agents? I think so. Imagine working with all of them on the Darkside of the Moon!!! It might be cool if there were a site for whistle-blowers, where they would just post to each other, and others would simply read, and not comment. A Jesuit and Alphabet Agent Site would be sort of cool, where they would reveal bits and pieces of previously classified information, in a manner which would avoid confusion and sensationalism. I hate having to speculate about everything. I'd like to just go into a room full of Jesuits and Alphabet Agents, and have them give me an education for a couple of weeks. I'd probably want to kill myself when I found out the truth, but at least I'd know the truth. A thousand-page, eyes-only document would be the next best thing. But really, ignorance is probably bliss, and completely ignorant fools like me shouldn't be told too much! We might spook the herd! I remain very troubled regarding the low-level of communication refinement, throughout the world. We might not be ready for disclosure or ascension. My quest has revealed how little I know, and how much I need to learn about everything, really. I intend to read a lot of books and watch a lot of documentaries, and say a lot less. I've probably said too much already, and there is probably a very good reason why very little substantial conversation results, but I'm not sure what that reason is. I'm really sorry that we couldn't discuss solar system governance. I really do have to talk to myself. You wouldn't believe the conversations and arguments I get into with my higher-self!! That prude always hides behind a puritanical skirt. I think something monumental and historical has occurred over the past 18 months, but I'm not sure what it is, exactly. I have some ideas, which I'd rather not talk about. I continue to desire that things work out well for all concerned, but without knowing what's really going on, it's very difficult to say anything with any certainty. I just feel very beat-up, very sad, and very scared. If you can remain calm in this situation, you haven't been paying attention. I think things could go in any direction, and I have no idea regarding my fate, and the fate of the human race. I think things have been very bad, for a very long time, and I have no idea whether things can be properly resolved, or not. Things have gotten so bad, that I really don't wish to continue, but I obviously will. Everything is a struggle. Life should be lived, rather than endured. Just consider how precarious our situation really is. Seven Billion Inmates on a Prison Planet in Rebellion, Filled with Weapons of Mass Destruction, Hurtling Through Space, Under the Scornful Gaze of the Gods and Goddesses. Either this world is nicer than I thought it was, or I am receiving some sort of protection, because I am posting things which would've gotten people removed a few years ago. Perhaps it's just that so much forbidden information is being released and discussed presently. I get the feeling that I am being supernaturally attacked, but that I am being physically protected. I know that is counter-intuitive, but I feel as though I am left to fight my own spiritual battles, but that physically, it's claws-off. But who knows? I try to be in an attitude of prayer 24/7, but I rarely engage in traditional prayer, where specific things are asked for. I'm not recommending this approach, but it's just my modus operandi presently. Think About It. Namaste and Godspeed.
Researching Teutonic Zionism, Teutonic Knights, Knights Templer, et al is getting into an area of study which frankly scares the hell out of me. When I got into the subject of Amen Ra, on Avalon 1, I felt the same way. By the way, the 'Amen Ra' thread on Avalon 1 presently has nearly 20,000 views, with nearly half of these views occurring after the shut-down. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18223 Could the two subjects be related? I'm beginning to think so. Here is a link to some related links. http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2008/07jul/RICR-080720-SUB.html Incidently, I'm thinking that Eric Jon Phelps is an excellent resource for this topic. He mostly deals with the Jesuit and Catholic aspects, but perhaps they are important pieces of the puzzle. I still do not wish to be angry at anyone, and I still wonder what my reincarnational role might've been in all of the historical madness. I've been completely out of the loop throughout this incarnation, with the exception of my recent internet expedition into madness. I will continue to blurt things out, in a tactful and tentative manner, on this little site. I hope this helps more than it hurts, but I am open to a redirection of my attention, with the appropriate use of reason, rather than meanness. I want to help to clean things up, but I want to do it the right way. There is a right and a wrong way to do the right thing, you know. Think about religious-ritual human-sacrifice and military human-sacrifice. Are the two related? Is there a religious and a military branch of a secret government, which specializes in blood, death, and sacrifice? And what about blood-money banksters? What about the City-States? Like I said, this subject is getting too scary and creepy for me. I was just going to stop posting, while I wait for Armageddon. How far out on a limb should I venture, if I am to follow my own advice concerning responsibility? I'm going to stop whimpering and rambling, and just listen to Eric Jon Phelps, Leo Zagami, Alex Jones, Bill Cooper, Jordan Maxwell, and Sherry Shriner. That should calm me down, and help me get my head together. I certainly do NOT want bad things to happen -- yet my internet activities have made me quite paranoid. Some real-life conversations have made me even more paranoid. It seems as if things are ripe for something bad to happen -- to cover-up a lot of things -- maintain control of Purgatory Incorporated -- and for a few people (and other than people?) to make a lot of money. I understand that life might have to be somewhat harsh for most of us for quite some time -- but please do NOT deliberately inflict pain, suffering, death, and destruction upon humanity. If certain individuals deserve the worst -- deal with them on a case by case basis -- and leave the rest of us alone. If all of us deserve the worst -- then I don't know what to say, other than "Adhere to a REASONABLE System of Rewards and Punishments". One more thing. I am NOT Anti-Alien. I AM Anti-Bullshit. World Without End. Amen -- or Whoever.

I keep wondering what 'They' think of a thread such as this?! Is it just ho-hum faire -- or does it really cause concern? I often wish I knew when I could safely go farther -- and when I should shut-up. I truly do not wish to cause more problems. I am honestly trying to make things better. Unfortunately, I keep getting the feeling that I it might not be possible to make things better -- and that things might get a helluva lot worse. Were those 'alien' images genuine or bogus?? I have no idea. I don't lurk in parking-garages at 3AM to get such things. I simply pull them off the internet. I'm only doing this stuff because of the volume of very upsetting and problematic material on the internet. I wouldn't have dreamed of doing such things just a few years ago -- and I am truly going to stop doing this sort of thing at the end of August. I think I've more than made my point. Now I think it is high-time to sit-down and shut-up. I'm just reposting and editing old posts. When this process is done -- I'm done. I probably should've stopped a couple of years ago, after my encounter with someone claiming to be a particular Ancient Egyptian Deity. THAT should've been the last straw. It's important to know when to stop.

I just wonder how many nukes or potent explosives are pre-positioned throughout the world?! I've even heard the theory that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were destroyed by pre-positioned nukes. I keep wondering if everyone involved in the planning and execution of 9/11 really knew that the towers were going to be brought down?! I wonder what the effect of flying only one actual airliner into one tower (with no implosion) would've had regarding Going to War -- the Patriot Act -- Airport Security -- Conspiracy Theorists -- Re-Elections -- Etc.?? It seems as if 'They' made things way too complex and messy. What if 'They' had merely used a pre-planted nuke in one tower (with no plane or missile)?? 'They' seem to be very smart and very stupid -- simultaneously. I don't necessarily have a problem with appropriate watching and listening -- but I keep thinking that the bad-guys are cracking-down on the good-guys -- and that the bad-guys can do whatever the hell they want -- and get away with it. I keep getting the feeling that this solar system was taken-over by a Sun God who wasn't (and isn't) very nice -- thousands of years ago. Enough Said.

I've got to tell you that I am somewhat suspicious of the Exodus -- the beginning of the Intertestamental Period -- the Ninth Century AD (relative to Catholicism and Judaism) -- and the beginning of the Great Schism. What if there is such a thing as an Ancient Egyptian-Christian Universal-Church??!! What if this hypothetical church got taken over at the beginning of one of those suspect times just stated?? From a couple of posts back -- consider this once more: Take a look at "Is War a Ritual Human Sacrifice?" by Acharya S. I am particularly interested in the possibility of the origins of Teutonic Zionism occurring in the Ninth Century A.D. This could be key to the history of the world for the past twelve-hundred years. Could this be the origin of the so-called 'New World Order'? I don't know, but I think this might be extremely important. I hate to say it, but Human Sacrifice and Teutonic Zionism are of special interest to me presently, and not in a good way. This seems to open a can of worms which I'm not sure I really wish to deal with. Here is the most pertinent part of the article by Acharya S:

Teutonic/Zionist Connection

Despite the fact that "the Jews" of Palestine were nearly driven to extinction during the first and second centuries CE, when the Christian tale was beginning to be formulated in large part to preserve Judaism/Israel, their numbers recovered enough to continue the play for supremacy. And there was a significant number of Jews outside Palestine as well, some of whom evidently continued their ancient barbaric rites. The noted historian Edward Gibbon wrote in History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire:

From the reign of Nero to that of Antonius Pius [80-160 CE], the Jews discovered a fierce impatience of the dominion of Rome, which repeatedly broke out in the most furious massacres and insurrections. Humanity is shocked at the recital of the horrid cruelties which they committed in the cities of Egypt, of Cyprus, and of Cyrene, where they dwelt in treacherous friendship with the unsuspecting natives... In Cyrene they massacred 220,000 Greeks; in Cyprus 240,000; in Egypt, a very great multitude. Many of these victims were 'sawed asunder,' according to a precedent in which David had given the sanction of his example. The victorious Jews devoured the flesh, licked the blood, and twisted the entrails like a girdle around their bodies. (vol. 2, chap. XVI, part I)

Later, through the conversion of an entire kingdom, that of the Khazars, Judaism continued on and, as before, was not racially determinate, since the Khazars seem to have been both Caucasians and Asiatics, who subsequently became known as the Ashkenazis or Europeans Jews. According to Genesis 10, "the Ashkenazis" were not Semites but Japhethites, or Caucasians.

In the 9th century Zionists (Jews) and Teutons (Germans) allegedly collaborated against the Catholic Church and established a strange partnership linked by their respective priesthoods' secret and sickening sacrificial rituals. This group was alleged over the centuries to have engaged in human/child sacrifice, an accusation, founded or unfounded, that gave many rulers in Europe the excuse to expel "the Jews" from a number of countries, including from England by Edward I in 1290, as well as from Spain by Isabella and Ferdinando.

The rebuttal of those accused or expelled was that these rulers simply wished to seize Jewish assets. Nevertheless, what had been done in ancient times by both Jews and Gentiles, i.e., the sacrifice of both animals and humans by immolation and by slitting the neck and sprinkling the blood upon the congregation, was alleged to be continuing in the priesthoods of the Teutons and the Zionists. The Zionist elite, in fact, had been accused many times over the centuries of using the "common Jews" as well as "Christian children" as pawns and sacrificial victims in its quest for world domination, a quest outlined in the Old Testament, the Jewish Apocrypha and the Talmud. That the Israelite priesthood used its "own people" as sacrificial victims is admitted in the Old Testament, in which not only foreigners but "the Jews" are slaughtered by their handlers to propitiate the angry, jealous Yahweh (Ezekiel 9, et al.).

I am actually so burned out on all of this speculative madness, that I can hardly wait to finish reposting this thread, so I can finally be done with it, once and for all. I'm continuing to think in terms of Three Archangels in Conflict with Each Other. Frankly, if I were one of these three, I'd just shrug my shoulders, and wish to move on to another topic. The magnitude of the problems, and the nature of the beast, would make it very difficult for me to be triumphalist. Those who are most screwed might very well be insiders. I'm frankly so disillusioned and fatigued that I doubt that I'd be of much use on the 'inside'. I almost wish I didn't exist -- and I'm sure there are others who feel the same way. Those around me seem so much smarter and full of life. I'm a shelluva guy. What if the Real-Insiders are at war with God (with a upper-case 'G') and with Mankind?? I doubt there is any neat and clean way to deal with God and Man. The problems are probably beyond belief and beyond description. If I'm really a nobody -- going way, way back -- I still think I might try to at least go through the motions of being a Make-Believe Insider -- with a small home or apartment outfitted in a science-fictional manner, with an entry-level Cray and science-fictional theme throughout the house or apartment. If I had the money, I probably really would buy an old decommissioned missile-silo -- and decorate it like the Stargate SG-1 Base -- or perhaps I wouldn't. I keep thinking about the episode where some UFO Conspiracy Nut claimed to be an Alien from Another Planet -- and it turned out that he really was!!!!!

Could we be dealing with the Annunaki vs Gizeh Intelligence? Or - are we really dealing with only one Solar System Super Power? Could they have created all of the mythologies, theologies, hybrids, greys, reptilians, nukes, anti-gravity craft, etc and et al? Damned if I know. I just keep marching bravely and stupidly into the unknown - waiting to get shot down. Is there any truth to the following?

ALDEBARAN -- Human militarists of a fascist slant who have traditionally sided with the Dracos and Greys. They collaborate within a large underground facility below Egypt, the base of a secret "Kamagol-II" cult which has connections to the Bavarian Thule Society and the Montauk time-space projects. This cult is also referred to as the Gizeh empire or Gizeh Intelligence, and they are working with secret societies on earth in an effort to dissolve all national sovereignties into a global religio-eco-political order. There are also Insectoid forces involved with Aldebaran. Apparently a neo-Nazi space force may have helped to colonize that system by sending time-space forces back into the distant past to inhabit the 4th dimensional realm of one or more of its planets. These forces from the past are currently involved with the New World Order scenario, attempting to carry out their dictatorial agenda on earth from their "base" within another time-space dimension of Aldebaran (source: Preston Nicholes, and others). The link to the site where I found this information no longer works.

Alex Collier Video: 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW4wA55jII8. 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok0QDWj52mU&feature=related.

Alex Collier Lecture ..A; 1995: Interaction Between Gizeh Group and Nazi Germany: The Greys made contact with a world governmental body for the first time in 1931. This was in Germany. The Greys were however turned away by the German government, because it had already committed itself to involvement with the Gizeh Intelligence. Now, I don't know if you know who Gizeh intelligence is, but I will tell you that it is a renegade group of human extraterrestrials that were headquartered under the Gizeh plateau in Egypt. They were predominantly Pleiadians at the time. Ashtar was part of that group, Kamagol was part of that group. Even Jehovah was part of that group for some time. They did their own thing. They came down here and "played God" with us, and people worshipped them as "Gods" because they had this technology. They abused their power. The Germans were, in the 1930's, building rockets and starting a space program because of their contacts with extraterrestrials - the Gizeh Intelligence.

Technology was developed and used to create weapons, because the German governmental bodies involved were concerned that there was going to be an alien invasion. The Gizeh intelligence told them that the Greys were here. However, there was not an actual invasion, per se, in progress. Weapons, such as sound devices, lasers, neutron bombs, particle beam weapons were created, although many of these were actualized later on in history. The Germans were given a lot of this technology by the Gizeh intelligence. These technologies also included free energy devices and anti-gravity technology. Tripartite Interaction: US, USSR and Britain. The United States was the first to open its doors to the alien race known as the Greys. I have been told of a contact in 1934, wherein the Greys made their presence known to the United States government in Washington State. It wasn't until 1947 that actual contact occurred with the aliens and United States officials, due to the shooting down of an alien craft in Roswell, New Mexico. This pressed the Greys into contact earlier than they had anticipated. After this crash at Roswell in 1947 the United States, the Soviet Union and the British, at the very highest levels of government, became "blood-brothers".

Now, these governments did not know what Germany was really up to at that time in history. The Germans were very very secretive about their contact with Gizeh intelligences. What was going on in Germany and what was going on between these other countries were two separate issues. The Roswell incident created more of an urgency to develop a true space program in order to defend the Earth. Again, the United States government and the Soviets thought that there was a threat due to the technologically advanced state of the aliens they had encountered. The true space program as an "underground" development that we are just now beginning to hear about. It was originally financed by members of the Club of Rome. Now, you will need to do some homework to find out who those members are, and don't be surprised at who you see. We'll talk more about that when we discuss the moon. The Greys assisted the "black government" with the building of some of the first facilities on the moon and Mars. Once again, the link to this information no longer works.

The observation leads to the conclusion that Al Gore is a top member of Gizeh intelligence. This was the reported occult backing of Adolf Hitler and his Nazi movement in Germany. Ethnically, the Mars connection of pyramid builders (Caucasian white race component of modern humanity via Atlantis, in their original form fitting the Nazi stereotype and extremely racist, the people described by contactee Elizabeth Klarer). The story is very old and very complex. In order to give a short intro, just take a look at this ancient Egyptian painting of Toth writing judgment: Toth, or Hermes Trismegistos, was born during the times of Atlantis and achieved personal immortality. A part of this was a shape-shifting ability. In the painting above, he is depicted with an animal head (ibis). Gizeh intelligence comprized around 8000 highly advanced people under the supreme leadership of shape-shifting Toth. They lived since ancient times in a network of underground cities, the main city being under Gizeh, Egypt, another site being under a location in the Grand Canyon, U.S.A. Other animal shapes reported from ancient times include a crocodile face, a lion face, etc. Toth is the fading embodiment of a fallen angel, Lucifer. In the 19th century, some of the 8000 started becoming active, such as through the Theosophical society of Madame Helena Petrovna Blavatsky. In the early 20th century, the Gizeh intelligence became active as a backer of Adolf Hitler in Germany and his Rothschild-Windsor sponsors in England. Today, all the 8000 have left their cities and are active among humanity. From this connection it is plausible that they are also the force behind the Jesuits in the Vatican and the Knights Templar before that. Reference: Books by Drunvalo Melchizedek. Contrary to myth, the Nazis won the second world war and took over the United States of America. See research by Mae Brussell, Webster G. Tarpley, Anton Chaitkin, David Emory and Greg Hallett. From this connection it is plausible that Gizeh intelligence is in control of America. My personal psychic experience is that Al Gore is a shape-shifting demonic entity from the very top of Gizeh intelligence with Assamite ability (one of the so-called „Ascended Masters” who are highly developed negative beings). The activation of the Gizeh intelligence over the past 150 years (since John D. Rockefeller, Sr.’s time) is to my mind an incidental part of the prophecy that is frequently discussed today under the caption of „2012”. The traditional Christian name for this is the Apocalypse (after the Book of Revelation, the last book of the Bible). Here is the link: http://www.cloakanddagger.de/home%20page%20items/Al_Gore_Evil.htm.

In light of the above information, please watch the following: 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJfc63rCnWE. 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTe2tUW2LS8&feature=related. Do you see a pattern...or is it just me? Tell me I'm not crazy! Pretty please!! Help! I'm finding very little information on 'Gizeh Intelligence'. The above description seems to place 'them' at the center of our troubles. The views expressed above are not necessarily mine...but they seem intriquing. What is going on here?

I am looking for a plurality of sources regarding 'Gizeh Intelligence'. Collier says they are gone...but I doubt this. If they existed here historically...I would expect that they are still here. Could Gizeh Intelligence be the group wherein Lucifer resides? Are they the 'fallen angels'? Do they compose the present day Illuminati? Is David Icke speaking of Gizeh Intelligence? Has he ever mentioned this term? Did they create the greys...as well as a mythology to go along with their creation? Are they creating an army and air-force of aliens in the Deep Underground Military Base genetics labs? Will we end up fighting these creations...which we have helped to develop? Are we building the UFO's which they fly? Is most of ufology utter bs...invented mostly by Gizeh Intelligence? Do they live on the inside of our hollow earth(if it is indeed hollow) ...and come through their tunnel system in the earth's crust...to raise heck with us? Are Pleiadians the only aliens here on earth? Are we all Pleiadians? Are the Gizeh Intelligence Pleiadian Aliens those who at some point in history, mated with reptillians? So...might there be Reptillian Pleiadians and Non-Reptillian Pleiadians...and nothing more? Are the reptillians the real bad-guys(demons)? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWR6WE4z20g&feature=related Are the off-world Pleiadians the real good-guys(angels)? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-9xai73_n8&feature=related Are we the wild card in-between guys? It's the real nice guys who get you! I think I just became a heretic! I recant!! What? You don't believe me?! Oh, come on! I'll be good! What are you doing with that torch?

So...who the heck is Gizeh Intelligence? Do they have a Central Giza Intelligence Agency? Or how about the GIA (Gizeh Intelligence Agency)? Or might it be the CIA (Central-earth Intelligence Agency)? I actually prefer Compassion In Action! Hi guys! Is MI6...Middle-earth Intelligence 6? Is no one interested in this topic? Can someone direct me to where people might be interested in this topic? Sometimes I feel like I'm from another planet...and I wish I were kidding. Please consider all the information available so far on this thread...and give me some feed-back. If these guys are in charge...and no one knows or cares...they have been very, very sucessful. Our greed, fear, and stupidity makes it very, very easy for the bad-guys. Did Billy Meier ever mention 'Gizeh Intelligence'? There seems to be very little information available on this subject. Are the Pleiadians he interacted with...'off-world'...in other words, not residing here on earth, or interveining in human affairs, other than providing warning, inspiration, and advice? Could Gizeh Intelligence be Pleiadians who are in cahoots with reptillians and greys? Do they live in the crust of the earth...and possibly in the allegedly hollow earth? Have they interbred with the reptillians? Is this the basis of the Illuminati, and are the Illuminati actually Pleiadian/Reptillian hybrids? Are the Illuminati and Greys actually subservient pawns to the Draconian Reptillians? Are all of the above the foundation of the New World Order? Could this righly be called the Old World Disorder Alien-Theocracy? Is this really old, rather than new...and possibly thousands of years old? Are we humans...all Pleiadians?

It's difficult for me to distill the truth from the bs. The Hyperborean reference reminded me of a passage in Frederick Nietzsche's book 'The Anti-Christ' which reads 'We are Hyperboreans'. It's been years since I read this, but that phrase stuck. I'm guessing he was referring to the Germanic people, but I don't really know for sure. The thesis of Jim Marrs' book 'Rise of the Fourth Reich' is that Nazi Fascism is alive and well in the good 'ol US of A. Seperately, the Alex Collier allegation that Gizeh Intelligence was behind Hitler and the Third Reich, would suggest that the same forces are at work today, if in fact, there is a Fourth Reich on the rise presently. Why would Gizeh Intelligence be removed without the other rascals being 86'd? The US/Gray treaties? What about the Reptilians? The whole concept of the earth's crust being laced with bases, tunnels, cities, and aliens is a very unsettling hypothesis. If there is a hollow earth with a central sun...the plot thickens, to say the least! Mind you, I don't know if any of this is true. I have been jilted in the area of traditional religion...and I believe that it is possible to be jilted in the area of ufology and conspiracy research. It's hard to simply say 'could be...but then again...might not be'. Was it Carl Sagan who said 'I don't want to believe. I want to know'? I want to know, as well. Yet I am tending to be very detached...and I have a chronic case of commitment-phobia. I tend to change my mind on a daily basis. The upside is that it's harder to hit a moving target! :

The man behind the curtain must just about die laughing at us...that sob! Perhaps it would be interesting to study the previous decade in light of the current decade. This would provide some perspective and some critique and potential validation or debunking. The current decade may be too close to focus upon...and going back futher than the previous decade may be too far. I don't know. Maybe comparing everything with everything...without latching on to anything in particular...is a good approach. But the emotional and spiritual trauma may be too much for many people. I started a thread recently titled '1990's Prophets Vindicated or Debunked?' where I looked at Bill Cooper, Alex Collier, and Bill Still. The response was pretty minimal, and focused only on Bill Cooper. The constant asking and answering of questions may be a good approach. I keep getting the feeling that no matter which way we turn we are going to encounter trouble. There seems to be no simple, easy road to utopia. If you are ignorant and guillible, you get taken. If you know too much, they're out to get you! If you're at the bottom, you're a slave. If you're at the top, you might not like the view! I don't have the answer. I'm not even sure what the question is.

Could the tall, long-nosed greys, who supposedly met Eisenhower...and who our government supposedly signed treaties with...have been Gizeh Intelligence, with some plastic surgery perhaps? Please, someone shoot this thread down, provide some additional sources, or substantiate and expand on this initial hypothesis. Do benevolent aliens have the green light to remove malevolent aliens...as is alleged to have occured with Gizeh Intelligence in 1978? I thought benevolent aliens were non-interventionist. We supposedly signed treaties with the tall greys...not the short greys...right? Well...do people report seeing tall greys? I'm sensing that there may be a lot of 'local' aliens with human 'help' really screwing the human race. Isn't this an important topic? You can vibrate as fast as you want...but the details of who really controls our planet...and why so many people have died in the past 100 years...may determine the destiny of the human race. If we don't get our house in order...we may be stuck in enslavement/extinction...instead of going into 4th or 5th densities. Do we have our heads stuck in the clouds...and are we too sure that we are going to 'graduate' from all the trouble here on earth? We may be in for a big surprise...

Gizeh Intelligence may go by other names...but the descriptions in my first post seem to fit what is going on in our world. Go through the whole first post a couple of times...including the video clips...and see if you can see a startling pattern emerging. The whole Nazi/Hitler/Illuminati/Military Industrial Complex/New World Order/Fascist/Enslavement/Extermination/International Banking thing really has me spooked...as it seems to be a global phenomenon which can convincingly be traced for nearly 100 years...right up to 2009. Everything we have seen and experienced thus far may just be practice for the main event. I don't even want to think about what that might be. Check out EVERYTHING on YouTube or Google Video on Jim Marrs, Joseph Ferrell, and Bill Cooper ...for starters. The dots should start connecting...with a very disturbing picture emerging. Please give this some serious thought. The truth may set us free...but it's sure scaring the heck out of me!

I don't have anything in particular against Forrest Gore...but life is like a Google search...you never know what you're gonna get! However, it might be wise to look closely at the Vice Presidents of the past 60 years...and how they were selected. Were they who the President really wanted? I'm simply interested in how corruptible the top jobs in our country are. Is our political system a glorified 'The Price is Right' show? Who's the host? Who's the parasite? Are we the suckers?

Dr. Earlyne Chaney, in an article titled 'ODYSSEY INTO EGYPT', in her occult-oriented magazine VOICE OF ASTARA (May, 1982) tells of a discovery she and researcher Bill Cox was shown in Egypt. These were two tunnels, neither of which had been fully explored. One was in the temple of Edfu between Luxor and Cairo in the ruins of El Tuna Gabel; and the other near Zozer's Step Pyramid at Cairo near Memphis-Saqqarah, within the tomb of the Bull, called "Serapium". The Egyptian government sealed both tunnels because of fears of certain archaeologists who alleged that they "lead too deeply down into the depths of the earth," and because they found the earth to be "honeycombed with passages leading off into other depths," and the possibility of explorers becoming lost. If such labyrinths do exist, then it may explain one story which alleged that men dressed like "ancient Egyptians" have been seen deep in unexplored tunnels near Cairo, as well as possible confirmation of the story which appeared in Nevada Aerial Research's 'LEADING EDGE' Publication to the effect that the U.S.(?) Government secretly maintains a huge base within a cavern of tremendous size (several miles in diameter) beneath the desert sands of Egypt. Could this tie in with the vaque references to a subterranean society(s) referred to by certain people 'in the know' which is/are known as the 'Phoenix Empire' and/or the 'Gizeh People'?

How many factions of humans/aliens are there in this solar system? I think that it is important to know who all of the major players are throughout the solar system...what their track records are...and what their intentions for the future are. Ignorance may be bliss...but it could also be deadly. To me...there should be no secrets regarding all of the above. If Hitler was interacting with Giza Intelligence (is it Giza or Gizeh?)...this is something which should be examined very carefully. Why is there so little information on this subject? Supposedly they broke off interaction with Hitler in 1941 and were driven off planet in 1979. Does this have something to do with the Dulce Wars? Is this when the military industrial complex and the secret human government really lost control of the alien situation...or were they never in control? Did Giza Intelligence simply move voluntarily to the Dark Side of the Moon? Is this the Capitol of the Solar System? Is there a Vatican Connection? Is Lucifer the head of Giza Intelligence? Do they still have a presence in North Africa?

The Secret Space Program. The Deep Underground Military Bases. The City-States. The Reptilians and Greys. Lucifer. Who Owns and Operates the Solar System? These are the key words and phrases. All of the secrecy should end...and the Solar System should be based upon Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom with an uncorrupted form of the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights, which is adapted to incorporate 100's of states throughout the Solar System. Gizeh Intelligence may be at the center of all of the above. What do you think?

I know that dealing with this subject is playing with fire. I don't know what the stakes really are. If I did...I'd probably just play video games. I just don't want malevolent humans or aliens to play god in this part of the universe...and engage in genocide, atrocity, or enslavement. Bad-guys need secrecy a lot more than good-guys.

Perhaps I could return to the subject of the thread by saying that all of this stuff is interconnected. Compartmentalizing what we discuss may be a mistake. Thinking about the Secret Space Program while watching a motorcycle race may unlock new insights. I'm not kidding. I call this Contextual Superimposition...and related to the Eureka Phenomenon. The military industrial complex has a huge presence in Southern California. Just ask John Lear. California...in general...is hugely important regarding the subject of aliens and ufo's. I guess that North Africa and the Southwestern United States are two of the most interesting areas to me...at this time...other than the Dark Side of the Moon.

Richard Hoagland states that the three main factions within NASA are 1. The Masons 2. The NAZI's 3. The Magicians (Occultists?). My question is...which of these three factions is most closely associated with Giza Intelligence? Or are all of the seemingly different factions simply different facets of the same diamond? There has to be a supreme council headed by a supreme leader...which oversees all of the madness. I suspect that this leader is Lucifer. Again...did Giza Intelligence move their headquarters from North Africa to the Dark Side of the Moon in 1979 (or shortly thereafter)?

Actually...I think the underground bases, leviton trains, secret space program, etc...is kinda cool...but all of this should not be secret...and should not be under malevolent reptilian control. We the People of Earth should control all of this very, very expensive activity. We're paying for it...aren't we? We the People should be invited to the party. It should be 'Our Party'...so to speak. Again...I don't know if any of this is true. I'm simply exploring different lines of possibility and probability. The Vatican, the Pentagon, the NSA, the CIA, etc, etc...all keep forgetting to brief me on what's REALLY going on! I am NOT a potted-plant!

Could Giza Intelligence be a relatively benevolent faction of humans, greys, and reptilians? Are they fighting more malevolent factions of humans, greys, and reptilians? I'm sensing a very dark and complex power struggle...with lots of collateral damage. Are the various factions really different shades of black? Disclosure could be unbelievably complex. Are there good Masons? Are there good NAZI's? Are there good Occultists? Are there good Popes? Are there good Illuminati? Are there good Zionists? Are there good Reptilians? Are there good Greys? What were the World Wars REALLY all about? Did WWII really end? Is it still raging (over our heads, beneath our feet, and invisibly all around us...and even in us)?

I'm sensing that we are discussing the tip of the iceberg. We may be picking a scab which covers a very ugly and grotesque wound. We may not like what we see when 'Disclosure' fully occurs. I'm thinking that we may have to become very unhappy and disillusioned before we can really begin to build a better world and solar system. Keep digging...but don't be surprised if you don't like what you find. Abandon all hope ye who enter Avalon. Just kidding...or am I? What if Earth (and the Solar System) was colonized millions of years ago by Humans (rather than having evolved here on Earth, at least)...who brought all of the fancy technology with them (including antigravity, nuclear weapons, holographic, free energy, etc). Could we Earth Humans really be Humans from Sirius? Sirius is the All Seeing Eye at the Top of the Pyramid. Sirius is at the center of EVERYTHING.

What if we Humans can exist both physically and spiritually...and simply get recycled here on Earth (and the Solar System)? What if a faction of Humans hoarded the technology, dumbed the rest of the Humans down genetically and educationally. What if all of the religions are manmade? What if all of the alien races are either made up...or have been genetically created by Humans? What if a faction of Human Beings is behind all of this? Could this be Gizeh (Giza) Intelligence? I've asked this sort of thing before...and I live in perpetual uncertainty. This uncertainty is taking a toll. I'm just asking at least some of you to think through what a completely Human Earth scenario would look like. Imagine being part of a faction of Humans...living throughout the Solar System...and deceiving 99% of the other Humans. How would you pull it off...century after century? We have to consider all possibilities...don't we?

I know Humans exist. I know Spirits exist. I know UFO's are real. I know we are in HUGE trouble. Beyond that...I don't really know a damn thing. I'm getting everything second, third, fourth, and fifth hand. Many of us have open minds regarding Aliens, UFO's, time-travel, etc, etc...but what about being open-minded about the possibility that all of this phenomenon is Human? Could the supposed Roswell future Humans really be the elite underground Humans called Giza Intelligence? Bill Cooper was perplexed by the 'Alien Presence' and wondered if it could be a completely homegrown phenomenon. What's going on here? Somebody help me out here. I'm feeling very small, stupid, and helpless. I'm in way over my head thinking about this stuff. I need to stop. Could the superimposed parallel universes simply be 1. The elite members of Giza Intelligence (1% of the Human Race?). 2. The rest of us peons (99% of the Human Race?). Who knows? Oh...I forgot...the Shadow Government knows. Gotta go. Someone's pounding on my front-door...

A special note to Gizeh Intelligence: If what I have said in the previous post is correct...all I ask at this point...is that all extermination and enslavement scenarios be conclusively terminated. Just join the rest of the human race. I request that all factions throughout the solar system reconcile and join together under the authority of the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. This sad chapter of universal history can have a happy ending...and a new beginning. Namaste. I'm feeling really close to the truth...yet really far away. I'm thinking that Sirius is at the center of everything...yet I'm not sure exactly how.

Could it be that the God of This World is a Draconian-possessed androgynous black human alien from Sirius who heads Giza Intelligence, the Secret Space Program, and the Deep Underground Military Bases...and who is the real Black Pope? Could the Ark of the Covenant be the UFO which brought us here from Sirius along with technology obtained from Draconian-demons in exchange for allowing the Draconians to possess the elite-humans? Is this solar system really part of the Siran solar system? Is our sun really Sirius C? Is the ancient depiction of three suns really Sirius A, Sirius B, and Sirius C? Are the tall greys from Sirius, really just human beings? Did we all come from Sirius? Is there a stargate between this solar system and Sirius? Is all of the cr@p we have been in for millions of years really a Sirian civil war? Are we all different factions of Sirians? Would my pet project of The United States of the Solar System really have to apply to Sirius as well? Is Sirius the All Seeing Eye at the top of the pyramid? Is Sunday really Sun God Day? Is this sun really Sirius? Is the Roman Catholic Church all about Sirius? Are the Masons all about Sirius? Are the occultists all about Sirius? Is the layout of Washington D.C. all about Sirius? Is the Sirian Theocratic System really the Universal Church aka The Holy Roman Empire aka the New World Order? How answerest thou...SaLuSa?

I just wonder if it's possible to remove the Draco part of the unholy trinity you mentioned? Are the Draconians really demons who are usually invisible...but who can manifest themselves in reptilian/grey form? Are the Sirians we are dealing with really human beings? When the Vatican referred to extraterrestrials as our brothers...perhaps they meant this literally. Are the Nazis, Masons, Vatican, City of London...and most of the people we love to hate...really pawns? Would an exorcism of the Sirius system as well as our solar system be necessary to rid us of most of our problems? If so...what would make this possible? Is it even possible? Has a significant faction of humanity been dealing with the devil? How expensive would this divorce be?

I have no hatred in asking these questions. I'm treating this like a science fiction mystery novel. I realize that if even 5% of it is true that we are in very deep trouble. I'm thinking that Sirius A, B, and C need to be completely divorced from Draco...and that Sirius A, B, and C need to completely reconcile under the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights...and completely expose all of the dark secrets, horrific wars, and deals with the devil. I just want the BS to stop. Hope springs eternal. Conduit closing.

They have to use Secrecy and Deception to pull-off their agenda. That is Not a good sign. I think we have a chance to properly handle this BS...but that the window of opportunity is very small. The consequences of getting this wrong are enormous...I think. We seem to be like an abused spouse who believes the promise that it will be different this time. How many times do we have to get beat-up before we wake-up and get a cosmic divorce and a universal restraining order? If we keep going back for more...there is probably very little the benevolent forces throughout the universe can do for us.

I keep wondering about the distinction between supposed 'native' reptilians and the alleged 'Draconian' reptilians. Perhaps the 'native' reptilians are not really a huge problem. They seem to be more physical than supernatural. Perhaps greys are a type of 'native' reptilian. I don't know. But it does seem that there are 'non-native' reptilians which seem to be more supernatural than physical. These Draconian reptilians seem to be very evil, smart, and dangerous. Perhaps these Draconians can manifest as reptilians or hijack the native reptilians (and greys?) to do their bidding...or at least blame them for all the trouble. The greys with two brains (one which is computerized?) seem to just be robots. Do the Draconians sometimes (or always?) possess these greys? The Draconians seem to need physicality. Why is this? Why do they possess people?

We are told that we need to ascend beyond physicality. I don't buy this at all. We are also told that we will be taken to better places with spaceships and stargates. Are we sure we would really go to 'better' places? It sounds like they want our bodies and our planet. It sounds like they want to rule over us as Gods. I want to keep my body. I want to keep my planet. I want Constitutional Responsible Freedom. I want the Draconians to go to hell...and leave us alone.

Giza Intelligence is supposedly connected with Aldebaran...but I am considering the possibility that they are connected with Sirius. I haven't decided if they are with the Draconians...or against them. It sounds like they are with them...and even possessed by them. I really don't know. It just sounds like our solar system and the Sirian solar system are linked...and that we are dealing with a human phenomenon(Sirian humans and Earth humans)...with the exception of the Draconians...and perhaps some native reptilians and greys(native to both Sirius and Earth). Again...I don't know. Help somebody. I'm simply suspecting huge doses of BS everywhere...especially from ET's who are oh so superior to us stupid mortals...and are here to help us evolve...by abducting us, experimenting on us, terrorizing us, and dictating to us...whether we like it or not. BS!!!!!

Here is something of interest regarding Aldebaran from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldebaran Notice especially the section on the Gnostic Neo-Nazis.

The name Aldebaran comes from the Arabic (الدبران al-dabarān) meaning "the follower" and refers to the way the star follows the Pleiades star cluster in its nightly journey across the sky. In Persia it was known as Sadvis and Kugard.[7] The Romans called it Palilicium, and it is known as 畢宿五 (Bìxiùwŭ, the Fifth Star of the Net) in Chinese. Aldebaran is identified as the lunar mansion Rohini in Hindu astronomy and as one of the twenty-seven daughters of Daksha and the wife of the god Chandra.

An esoteric neo-Nazi sect headquartered in Vienna, Austria called the Tempelhofgesellschaft, founded in the early 1990s, teaches a form of Gnosticism called Marcionism. They distribute pamphlets claiming that the Aryan race originally came to Atlantis from the star Aldebaran (this information is supposedly based on "ancient Sumerian manuscripts"). They maintain that the Aryans from Aldebaran derive their power from the vril energy of the Black Sun. They teach that since the Aryan race is of extraterrestrial origin it has a divine mission to dominate all the other races. It is believed by adherents of this religion that an enormous space fleet is on its way to Earth from Aldebaran which, when it arrives, will join forces with the Nazi Flying Saucers from Antarctica to establish the Western Imperium. [8]

In Inuit astronomy, Aldebaran is called "Spirit of a Polar Bear". In the religion of Stregheria, Aldebaran is a fallen angel and quarter guardian of the eastern gate. Aldebaran is referred to in Edmund Spenser's The Faerie Queene (1590), book one, canto three, stanza 16:

Now when Aldeboran was mounted hye
Aboue the shinie Cassiopeia chaire (I.III.16.1-2)
In American horror writer H. P. Lovecraft's Cthulhu Mythos, Hastur resides in the Hyades cluster, and is signified by Aldebaran being above the horizon. When Aldebaran is visible, Hastur's eye is said to be upon all it oversees.

For the Seris of northwestern Mexico, this star is providing light for the seven women giving birth (Pleiades). It has three different names: Hant Caalajc Ipápjö, Queeto, and Azoj Yeen oo Caap ("star that goes ahead"). The lunar month corresponding to October is called Queeto yaao "Aldebaran's path".[9]

For the Dakotas (a branch of the Native American Sioux tribe), Aldebaran took on a heroic aspect. The young star was the child of the sun and the lady Blue Star. One day, he desired to hunt the white buffalo (the Pleiades). After he pulled up a sapling to make a spear, a hole was made in the ground and he could see all the people of Earth down below. The white buffalo took this chance to push him through. He was found by an old woman and was to be known as Old Woman's Grandson. On Earth, he killed many strange monsters that had been troubling the Native Americans; one monster of which was a serpent that caused drought. The young hero killed the serpent, releasing a great stream of water that became the Mississippi River. In time, Old Woman's Grandson remembered the white buffalo and returned to hunting him in the sky to fulfill his destiny.

Reference to Aldebaran appears in the The Rolling Stones song "2000 light years from home" from the 1967 psychedelic rock album Their Satanic Majesties Request. The Welsh-born Dark Ambient musician Brian Williams (Lustmord) has a track entitled Aldebaran of the Hyades on his 1994 album The Place where the Black Stars Hang. Enya included a song named Alderbaran on her first album, Enya (later re-released as The Celts). Austrian musician B. Fleischmann includes a song called "Aldebaran Waltz" in his 2006 album, The Humbucking Coil.

Aldebaran is also the title of a song by Essra Mohawk, and is included on her album "Revelations Of The Secret Diva". What if what we are really dealing with is Draconian Demon Possessed or Controlled Humans vs Pleiadian Angelic Assisted Humans? What if all of the physical ET's who are here are really Human Beings? Would this violate the non-intervention rule? Are native Reptilians and Greys being forced to do the bidding of the Draconians? Are the Greys who are doing the abductions, etc...really clones, robots, or PLF's? Will the native Reptilians and Greys be used as scapegoats by the Draconian Cabal?

I'm presently seeing Draco > Aldebaran > Sirius B > Earth (Giza Intelligence, Vatican, Nazis, Masons, Illuminati, Occultists, City of London, United Nations, Washington D.C., Deep Underground Military Bases, Secret Space Program) = Military/Industrial/Financial/Draconian Theocracy. This is not exactly a happy-go-lucky, live and let live, group of humans and extraterrestrials (in spirit form?)...to say the least! I suspect that this is where all the drug money...tax money...war blood money...bankster bail-out money...missing trillions from the defense budget, etc...really goes. Negative Karma to the nth degree is being generated daily. Judgement Day will not be pretty or pleasant. Crime does not pay on Judgement Day. Getting nervous guys? It won't be long now. The Horror. The fun never ends...does it? That figure at the 1984 Olympics looks like one of our Draconian Masters...looking down on us stupid mortals...like a Gargoyle on a Cathedral.

Here is something relevant to this thread that I posted on another thread: The Aldebarans are supposedly renegade Pleiadians. Did they thumb their noses at the Pleiadian Powers That Be...and make deals with the Devil aka Draconians...to obtain Technology and Spiritual Power? Was the Pleiades really Heaven? Was the Person In Charge really God. Was Lucifer a Pleiadian who tried to get a better deal by dealing with the Dracs? Did this result in the famous War in Heaven? Did Lucifer drag one third of the Pleiadians to Aldebaran...then to Sirius...and finally to Earth? Are we all Fallen Angels? Is this why Lucifer is the God of This World? Some say Lucifer is no more...but I doubt this. Is Aldebaran still renegade Pleiadian presently? Is Sirius A and Arcturus completely unfallen Pleiadian presently? Is Sirius B and Earth in Sirius trouble? Is a final battle brewing to settle this thing once and for all?

Or...is the whole Universe under Draconian control...including the Pleiades? Did the God in the Pleiades keep this a secret to make a bad situation seem like Heaven? Did Lucifer smell a rat...and try to fight fire with fire...hoping to get technology and spirituality from the Dracs...and then turn on them? Could the final phase of this be happening presently? Is that what's brewing? Is this 'The Great Work'? Are Sirius B and Earth engaged in a rebellion against the Dracs which must be crushed? Will the Empire strike back? Does Sirius B and our Sun contain Planets in Rebellion? Do they threaten the Draconian Universal Church Theocracy? Did Lucifer mean well...but did he or she bite off more than they could chew...and go insane? I keep thinking that Lucifer is like Colonel Kurz in 'Apocalypse Now'. If Constitutional Responsible Freedom really catches fire...will this be the end of Draconian Universal Domination? I really and truly don't know. All of the above could be complete BS. I don't know who the good-guys and who the bad-guys are anymore. Do you?

Take another look at the details of my previous couple of posts. If the whole universe was Drac-controlled...and this was being hidden from you...but you figured it out. How would you fight the tyranny being effected through your beloved leader? Would you confront your leader publicly while privately dealing with the Dracs to try to get their technology and spirituality? You'd end up fighting both your beloved leader and his loyal (and clueless?) followers...plus when you double-crossed the Dracs...you'd have to fight them as well. Did Lucifer and his(her?) followers get kicked out of Heaven...and then get involved in a horrific fight with the Dracs? Was this the 600,000 year Gaian-Orion War? Supposedly no one won...they just stopped killing each other. Did a sort of 'cold-war' follow? Is this the situation we find ourselves in presently? Is this why everything is so $crewed-up? Is the New World Order a Draconian attempt to completely regain domination over humanity? Is this how much trouble we are really in...or is it much worse? I suspect that it is. Is Lucifer insane because of the hopelessness of the situation? Are all of us Renegade Pleiadians?

I continue to believe that Constitutional Responsible Freedom would be in everyone's best interest...including the Pleiadians and Dracs. The God thing really doesn't work. I suspect that Lucifer found this out the hard way. Humanity is waking up to this very harsh reality as well. If what I am thinking is true...the Pleiadian God was wrong. Lucifer was wrong. And the Draconians were (and are) wrong. Two new commandments I give unto all of you: I. Thou Shalt Have No Gods. Period. II. Thou Shalt Not Be An @sshole. Period. I really don't want to fight with the Dracs. I can't believe that there is no possibility of them warming to the idea of Responsible Freedom. I don't know what made them so mean...but perhaps there is a legitimate reason. Regardless...why not base the Universe on the best principles...rather than on brute-force? Why is this so hard? Lord Draco...we need to talk. Soon. In the meantime...you're a warrior Lord Draco...aren't you?? Isn't war and killing really, really stupid? Isn't it insane? I think it is. We can do better than this...can't we Lord Draco?

Here is a bit of a restatement of questions which I have previously asked: Are we really dealing with the following? Draconian-Pleiadian-Annunaki Theocracy vs Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom. How would Giza Intelligence fit in with the above? Is Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom a grave threat to the Universal Church? Is Earth a Planet in Rebellion against the Draconian-Pleiadian-Annunaki Theocracy aka Universal Church? Will the Empire Strike Back to crush this rebellion? Does might trump right? We might not have to wait long to find out. Something seems to be brewing. Hmmmmmm.

Is Gizeh Intelligence the key to all of the mysteries we discuss on this site? I just want all of us to get informed about who we really are...and what's really going on...without becoming angry or going crazy. Obviously...I want a sovereign and free humanity...especially in this solar system. I certainly hope this is a possible possibility. I'm leaning toward a hypothesis that the original creation is a mystery...which is probably a combination of evolution and intelligent design. I see evidence of this everywhere. What I don't see is an All Powerful, All Knowing, All Loving, and All Present Creator God of the Universe running this solar system. I'm seeing something quite sinister.

I don't think the Annunaki, Pleiadians, or Dracs created us. They may have done some genetic engineering (mostly dumbing us down to control us). I'm seeing a cabal of Annunaki, Pleiadians, and Dracs playing god. Could this have been what Lucifer rebelled against in the Pleiades? Did war in heaven result? Did Lucifer and a third of the Pleiadians get kicked out of heaven? Did Lucifer then try to play god in Aldebaran with a third of the angels? Did this apostasy spread to Sirius and Earth...among other places? Are we all part of the third of the angels? Did Lucifer try to fight a wrong with a wrong? We know that two wrongs don't make a right. Did Lucifer go insane? Is the whole concept of theocracy the real root problem? Should the Ten Commandments be replaced by the Two Commandments?

I. Thou Shalt Have No Gods. (In the traditional sense)
II. Thou Shalt Not Be An @$$hole.

I really don't wish to demonize or destroy anyone. I just want the bs to stop. Here is a comment which I posted on another thread which is relevant to this thread:

I have a fascination regarding cathedrals and pipe-organs. The whole temple and worship concept goes way back into antiquity. Lucifer was supposedly the chief musician in 'heaven'. If 'heaven' is really the Pleiades...perhaps there were cathedrals and pipe organs in the Pleiades...and Lucifer brought the whole theological concept...including temples, cathedrals, pipe-organs, and worship...from the Pleiades to Aldebaran...then to Sirius...and finally to Earth. As above...so below. I guess I'm seeing two rival 'gods' leading a civil war. Are the Annunaki and Dracs mercenary interdimensional warriors and laborers? Was the Pleiadian 'god' instrumental in the destruction of Atlantis? Did the Luciferian 'god' take the Atlantian civilization underground? Is this Giza Intelligence? Are there underground mansions, cathedrals, libraries, and museums...combined with military bases and stargate temples? Does Lucifer (or equivalent) possess the ability to end most life on Earth through 'Earth Changes'? Is alien technology really ancient Pleiadian technology? I'm beginning to think so. The exact composition and motivations of the various secret factions are obviously unknown. My guess is that there may be three major factions...two theocratic (one Pleiadian and one Aldebaran Luciferian)...and one namaste constitutional responsible freedom faction.

Hitler may very well have been a regular visitor to this underground or inner Earth realm. This may also be true for the Popes. I don't know. This is all just wild speculation. But studying the Nazi phenomenon may be the real window into what is going on.

When Henry Kissenger was learning about the 'alien presence' he worked night and day...and wouldn't communicate with anyone...not even his wife. What he was learning must have been devastating. It couldn't have been good. Notice that certain key people, such as Henry Kissinger and Zbigniew Brzezinski (both Jason Scholar study directors)...who presumably know the complete story...quietly direct the Presidents...administration after administration. The Presidents presumably do not know the complete story...with the possible exception of George H.W. Bush.

Once again...I just want the secrecy to end...I want all hard core regressive beings (human and non-human) to leave this solar system...and I want the solar system to be based upon namaste constitutional responsible freedom. That should correct most of the major ills...regardless of who is presently running things or which et's are good or bad. If this works...other star systems might try doing this as well. Is this too much to ask?

I love this sort of thing! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyUW3vW3nP8 What do you think about this sort of thing?! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loDZCpN-YQI I treat it as more science-fiction which might be real. It might be realistic -- even if it is faked. I simply take everything in -- and passively treat it as science-fiction. I truly am tiring of all of this madness -- and I am preparing to move in another direction -- which I really do not wish to discuss. It isn't well with my soul. Is it well with yours? I hope so, but peace does not equal piety and righteousness. The opposite might be the case, in many cases. I'm experiencing continual and severe turmoil, for a variety of reasons. Unfortunately, I'm expecting things to worsen. 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8_EfDqF7YI 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI9PMxd9jfw&feature=relatedI have no idea what our true situation is. I meant the best with this thread, but my hopes have been dashed. I seem to be in the middle of some sort of a power struggle, but no one will really open up, and spill the beans. My personal situation has dramatically worsened, and life presently holds very little attraction for me. I love the theory, but I hate the reality, and I sense that things are about to get exponentially worse. I so hope that I'm wrong. I'm going to try to move in a very different direction, and I don't wish to talk about it. I don't wish to talk about much of anything, at this point. I think this thing is just going to have to play out, for better or for worse. Anyway, I used to listen to 'The Second Chapter of Acts' all the time, but I had forgotten how good they were. I'm going to start listening to them again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfH7aZ6BIBk&list=PLDB7411A7F629AF6C

I've never been opposed to Contemporary Christian Music, although some of the Prima Donna Soloists and Mindless Scores get on my nerves. Angela didn't appreciate my tolerance of Contemporary Christian Music!! But, really, I prefer Louis Victor Jules Vierne at St. Mary's Cathedral in San Francisco and Notre Dame de Paris!! What would Kimo say? What about a combination of Vierne and the 'Second Chapter of Acts' at Notre Dame de Paris? Thank-you for putting-up with my rambling and brainstorming. The crazy phase is ending, and hopefully, I can refine this thread into something which really makes sense. I am very disillusioned with this whole thing, but I will continue privately, in my own way and in my own time, without begging for help, attention, and approval. I'll be spending a lot of time considering 'The Federalist Papers', 'The Anti-Federalist Papers', Nature, and Sacred Classical Music. But that's just my little mission. You really have no idea what I would do with a church service. No idea at all. But it would knock your socks off!! I really liked participating in the services at the Crystal Cathedral, but I would make significant changes, without making a lot of changes. Puzzled? Good! I like to keep people guessing! Once again, I am very sorry if I have harmed anyone in any way with my internet posting, or in my various and sundry reincarnations. Please keep thinking about idealistic political and religious forms and practices, but don't go nuts trying to make the world a better place. This is going to be a difficult and nasty process.

I think there is a good side and a bad side to all of this power-struggling governance-madness, and I will do my best to appreciate both aspects, but I am presently in so far over my head, that I MUST go into a READ-ONLY mode. I need to heal BIG TIME, but I doubt that healing will occur. I think I'm stuck in the muck for this entire incarnation, and I don't think I really had a choice in the matter, once I was born. Sorry for the negativity, but that's just how I feel. You wouldn't believe what I think about, but never talk about. Just think of Michael/Horus/Mithras/Jesus/????? as being a reincarnating archangel, who has been, and is, on the side of humanity, and who rebelled against the Old World Order, and got himself crucified. Then, consider that Christianity has NOT been a Religion of Responsibly Following the Teachings of Jesus. Further, consider that around 800-900 A.D. Teutonic Zionism was hatched, and might've been the Genesis of the New World Order, which we are dealing with presently. But I doubt that it's new. Anyway, I have serious problems with both the Old World Order and the New World Order, and I think they should be replaced by a Theocratically-Implemented, Responsibility-Based, United States of the Solar System, with 10,000 Representatives, who have PhD's in Solar System Studies and Governance. Unfortunately, things are so bad, and there is so much negative momentum, that things might get a lot worse, no matter what we do. People will probably never really be satisfied or happy. Major gains for humanity will probably not be appreciated. We might exterminate ourselves, with or without the assistance of the Old World Order, the New World Order, or the Aliens. I think we are in a VERY PRECARIOUS SITUATION, and that this will be ongoing, into the foreseeable future. I'm not promising anyone a rose garden - not even a primrose garden path. I simply desire the best for ALL CONCERNED. And Now Abideth Responsibility, Response-Ability, and Love. Namaste and Godspeed.

When peace like a river, attendeth my way,
When sorrows like sea billows roll;
Whatever my lot, Thou hast taught me to say,
It is well, it is well, with my soul.

It is well, with my soul,
It is well, with my soul,
It is well, it is well, with my soul
.
Though Satan should buffet, though trials should come,
Let this blessed assurance control,
That Christ has regarded my helpless estate,
And hath shed His own blood for my soul.

My sin - O the joy of this glorious thought! -
My sin, not in part but the whole,
Is nailed to the cross, and I bear it no more,
Praise the Lord, praise the Lord, O my soul!

For me, be it Christ, be it Christ hence to live:
If Jordan above me shall roll,
No pang shall be mine, for in death as in life,
Thou wilt whisper Thy peace to my soul.

But Lord, 'tis for Thee, for Thy coming we wait,
The sky, not the grave, is our goal;
Oh, trump of the angel! Oh, voice of the Lord!
Blessed hope, blessed rest of my soul.

And Lord, haste the day when my faith shall be sight,
The clouds be rolled back as a scroll;
The trump shall resound, and the Lord shall descend,
Even so, it is well with my soul.

Horatio G. Spafford - 1873

FOCUS ON THE SECRET GOVERNMENT, HISTORICALLY AND PRESENTLY. I THINK WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE ALL OF THE POSITIVES AND NEGATIVES. WE SHOULD NOT BE IGNORANT, BUT WE SHOULDN'T RUN IN THE STREETS EITHER. IMAGINE BEING PART OF A NON-CORRUPT SECRET GOVERNMENT, JUST TO GET A FEEL FOR THIS PHENOMENON. I KNOW VERY LITTLE ABOUT THIS SUBJECT, BUT I THINK THIS MIGHT BE AT THE CENTER OF EVERYTHING. GETTING THIS SUBJECT WRONG, MIGHT MEAN GETTING EVERYTHING WRONG. EVEN IF THE SECRET GOVERNMENT WAS LEGITIMATE, AT SOME POINT, I THINK THIS MIGHT NO LONGER BE THE CASE. I THINK THINGS MIGHT BE SPIRALLING OUT OF CONTROL, FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS. ONCE AGAIN, I GUESS I SEEK A MORE REFINED AND RATIONAL SECRET GOVERNMENT, WHICH BECOMES LESS AND LESS SECRET. THE SECRET GOVERNMENT MIGHT TRANSITION INTO A RESPONSIBILITY-BASED UNITED STATES OF THE SOLAR SYSTEM. I DON'T WISH TO REINVENT THE WHEEL. I WISH TO RETAIN THAT WHICH IS WORKING, AND REPLACE THAT WHICH IS NOT WORKING. I BLAME VIRTUALLY EVERYONE, INCLUDING MYSELF, FOR THIS MESS. WE SIMPLY NEED TO CLEAN THINGS UP, WITHOUT BECOMING BLINDED BY THE BLAME GAME. WE NEED TO FIX THINGS, AND MOVE ON TO BIGGER AND BETTER THINGS. I THINK IT MIGHT BE AN EXCELLENT TIME FOR A LOT OF HUMANS (AND OTHER THAN HUMANS) TO SWITCH SIDES, OR AT LEAST BECOME A LOT MORE ETHICAL. PROBATION IS CLOSING. DON'T GET CAUGHT ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THIS THING.

What do you think about what I wrote in the previous paragraph? I know you're not talking to me, but I just thought I'd ask anyway. I wonder how this thing is really going to play out. I doubt that things are going to proceed in a reasonable and rational manner. Just look at history. I can almost understand why some have sought to work from the shadows, rather than reasoning openly with the Gods, Goddesses, and Masses. I have found that attempting to be accommodating, open, and honest doesn't seem to work. I'm feeling as though a multitude of unfriendly eyes are viewing my well intentioned, but feeble, activities. Are solar system studies and governance really that uninteresting, or is it just that you don't like me one little bit? Am I too unscholarly, or am I too much of an irreverent smart-alec? I have tried to deal with this subject as though it were sort of a midnight fireside-chat among friends. Was this a mistake? Is this solar system really as irrational and hostile as it seems? I treated the subject of Jesus and Christianity in a rather free-wheeling manner throughout this thread. I have even tried to be Christ-like, in a rather unconventional manner, which has included a bit of role-playing. Was this a mistake? Is it better to not enjoy the use of the imagination? I sense that no one would really like the real Jesus, if he showed-up in modernity, and refused to play anyone's prefabricated games. Perhaps humanity has rejected Jesus, century after century after century. Just a thought. Should this world and humanity be destroyed? Are Daniel and the Revelation really histories of the future, which are set in concrete? Various religions fight and fight and fight over what the future will be like. Which one is right? Are any of them right? What if all of them are wrong? Will everyone be saved? Will a select few be saved? Will no one be saved? Or, is 'saved' a deceptive and irrelevant concept? Is Earth really Heaven? Purgatory? Hell? Will a UFO take people to Heaven, Purgatory, or Hell? What if you thought you were being taken to Heaven, and you ended-up on a Reptilian Slave-Labor Planet, where people get eaten? What if Earth is such a planet? Can this seeming Purgatory be turned into Paradise, or would efforts toward this end really be exercises in futility?

Why did all of you stop talking to me? What did I do wrong? I feel as if I need to just be myself, regardless of whether it makes anyone happy, or not. Should I fight with everyone? Should I tell everyone what they wish to hear? Should I give everyone what they want? Do Lucifer or Satan tell people what they wish to hear, and give them what they want, while deceiving and destroying them, with the people being none the wiser? Does humanity embrace their destroyer and reject their savior? Has everyone made up their minds for all eternity? Should the wicked be destroyed? Are there any righteous souls? Even one? What would Bartleby and Loki say and do? What if the B-movie 'Legion' approximates reality? BTW, what is the relationship between Abraham, Moses, David, and Jesus? What if they are ancient Egyptian royalty, rather than being the stereotypical figures? What if Egyptology and Teutonic Zionism are at the core of a lot of very important things? What kind of a Jesus does the general public want? Is there so much corruption and confusion, that people have mostly given-up regarding the Second-Coming of Christ, and a Grand Prize Trip to a Perfect Heaven, Possibly Located Beyond M-42 in Orion? I really can't talk to anyone. I have to pretty much exist in my own little world. I have a difficult time making small-talk. I have nothing to talk about most of the time, and I feel and act like an idiot. Yet, I love to watch some of the most complex and abstract videos and lectures on the internet, and science-fiction doesn't come close to the sci-fi I generate in my own mind. What's going on here? I have really found no one who I can really relate to, and I am very lonely. I doubt that things will improve. It seems as though too much water has gone under the bridge, and things have gone too far wrong, for this sad story to have a happy ending. All of this seems to be an exercise in futility. Perhaps this thread should be renamed 'Solar System Governance in the Hands of a Completely Ignorant Fool'. I wish I were kidding.

I have no idea what I'm supposed to be doing. Perhaps I should try to imitate Alex Jones, and promote the United States of the Solar System with a bullhorn and a three-hour daily internet show. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acPoAQOYzcQ Perhaps I should imitate Dr. Robert H. Schuller. Maybe I should imitate Anna. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIQcD2FfGeM&feature=related Can you imagine orthodoxymoron as a composite of Alex Jones, Robert Schuller, and Anna!! Actually, that might not be a bad idea. Seriously. Well then, I'd better get busy! I've got work to do!! Or, should I try to improvise like Pierre Cochereau? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rig6b-jogg It might be cool to be a composite of Robert Schuller and Fred Swann, promoting a Positive Response Ability Based United States of the Solar System!!! Seriously, I'd rewrite Schuller's sermons and use Fred's hymn improvisations! And once in a while, I'd let-go with an Alex Jones rant!! Let Go, and Let God!!! The Bliss!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHTD4onNs-U&NR=1

Once again, I don't think anything is for certain, and I certainly don't think that everyone is going to be happy anytime soon. I simply think that we should assume that we keep getting recycled in this solar system, and that it's up to us to create a solar system paradise. I continue to be opposed to false-flag terrorism, deliberately inflicted earth-changes, planned wars, enslavement of any kind, or any kind of extermination events. If we are in prison, the jailers should at least be better than the inmates. Mass Murder is not a Family Value. I am extremely upset with the state of the world, and with modern civilization. We seem to have created a very sophisticated toilet and slaughterhouse on this prison planet in rebellion. Am I mentally-ill because all of this madness bothers me so much? Are those who don't know and don't care the ones we should pattern our lives after? I get the feeling that this thing is going to just keep grinding on and on, and that we will continue to lack real warmth and spirituality as a race. I'm mad at the so-called 'regressives', but I'm mad at us too. Would civilization really collapse if the politicians, scientists, and clergy stopped lying to us, and started telling us the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? I once heard Dr. Walter Martin say that the young people were honest. I also heard him suggest studying the Bible, but not talking to people directly about theology and scripture. I think Dr. Robert H. Schuller did that, but I still think that ministry lost it's way, at some point. One of the first Schuller books, 'Move Ahead With Possibility Thinking' was probably one of the best. I don't want a Godless Society, but I certainly don't want the Religious Insanity which has plagued humanity for thousands of years. I want all nations and religions to be RESPONSIBLE, but I don't wish to specify or dictate the details to them. There can be responsible Atheists, Agnostics, Catholics, Protestants, Jews, Muslims, Capitalists, Constitutionalists, Communists, Socialists, et al. I would insist upon responsibility throughout the solar system, in a Brave New Solar System aka the United States of the Solar System. People should feel safe to do what they want to do, even if they are completely ignorant fools, and are engaging in strange and seemingly irrational behavior. But they must do whatever they want in a completely responsible manner. Beware of the Responsibility Police!!! What would Alex Jones say??? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myFwr8bV7Dg

Unrelatedly, what is the point of the stock-market? Is it simply the world's biggest casino? Does a successful trader or investor really make a contribution to society, or are they sophisticated thieves? Greed, fear, and deception seem to be at the top of the list of what drives the stock-market. Is the market rigged and corrupt? What would happen if we didn't have a stock-market at all? Or what would happen if Day-Trading were forbidden? How would my idea of a 5% Federal Point of Sale Tax affect the stock-market? Human beings seem to need to play games. Games of all kinds. We need challenges. Is the stock-market merely one more game that people play? Does it place money in the hands of the clever, and remove it from those who are stupid, or who fail to do their homework? When one owns stock, they don't own part of the company. What if people had to go directly to a company, and become a part-owner? The United States is doing a lot of money moving, but what about production? On the other hand, is industrialization and technology really in the best interests of humanity? Perhaps the Amish and the Monks have the right idea. What if we pale-faces had adopted the culture and life-style of the Native Americans, instead of stealing their land and slaughtering them? Is China really becoming a better place with it's industrialization? What if the whole world became much less industrialized and technological? I'm not necessarily against either, but I think we're killing ourselves. I think the guilt and absurdities throughout human history are reprehensible to the nth degree. I think we've screwed-up BIG TIME, and that we continue to blow it. We never seem to learn. The regressives might have a point, but I still want to find constructive ways to reign-in our stupidity and unethical behavior. I desire more sane ways to manage the insanity. I continue to be VERY DISAPPOINTED that no one will engage in any sort of an ongoing intelligent conversation with me. Perhaps I should start a secret society, or at least a think-tank, with maybe a couple of dozen members, who are devoted to a completely non-corrupt and highly-ethical manipulation of society from the shadows. But how long would such a thing remain non-corrupt? Probably not for very long, which is why I should probably just keep doing what I'm doing, by brainstorming in a completely open and naive manner, with no smoke-filled rooms and hacking-laughter...

TO BE A LEADER - ONE MUST BE A LIAR. RIGHT? APPEARANCES ARE EVERYTHING. RIGHT? ACT LIKE GOD. LIVE LIKE THE DEVIL. RIGHT? TO RISE TO THE TOP, ONE MUST SLEEP WITH SATAN. RIGHT? THE CORRUPT RULE THE STUPID. RIGHT? THOSE WITH THE GOLD - RULE. RIGHT? SATAN, LUCIFER, AND THE REGRESSIVES (SOUNDS LIKE A PUNK-ROCK GROUP) HAVE MERELY EXPLOITED THE GREED, FEAR, AND STUPIDITY OF HUMANITY. RIGHT? YOU ALL HATE ME, DON'T YOU? OR MAYBE YOU JUST DON'T GIVE A DAMN. WELL, I'M MAD AT HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE. I WILL CONTINUE TO BE A THINK-TANK OF ONE, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT DOES ANY GOOD, OR NOT. I'LL PROBABLY SPEND A LOT OF TIME LISTENING TO ALEX JONES, BECAUSE HE ACTUALLY SEEMS TO GIVE A DAMN. IT'S LIKE 'NETWORK' EVERY DAY. 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WINDtlPXmmE&feature=related 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlcJnZBPQEc VIEWER DISCRETION ADVISED - BECAUSE I HAVE NONE. SOME OF YOU HYPER-CRITICAL RETENTIVE-HYPOCRITES NEED TO OVERDOSE ON EX-LAX. NOW I'M GOING TO CALM-DOWN, AND LISTEN TO ALEX JONES. THEN, I'LL LISTEN TO DANA, SHERRY, AND TREEE - TO TRY TO GET MY HEAD TOGETHER. THEY ALWAYS GIVE ME SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t1347-three-interesting-ladies ONE MORE THING. DON'T WORRY ABOUT ME. SMART-ALECS ALWAYS END-UP HANGING THEMSELVES. JUST KEEP FEEDING THE ROPE...

I had a Vietnamese friend, who grew-up in Vietnam during the Vietnam War, and would sleep through most bombing-raids, unless the bombs started getting really close and loud!! I witnessed him sleeping right next to a very loud alarm clock!! I am supportive of a strong military - with a non-lethal military branch - but I am dead-set against war. Hurting and Killing Each Other is the Epitome of Stupidity. War is a sin. War is insane. War is hell.

Here is another look at the Viet Nam War, from a German/American perspective. https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3zw7g_little-dieter-1_news
It is unimaginable what people had to go through during the Viet Nam War (and all wars). We need to end all wars. Period. War is a Racket. What would Smedley Butler say?
I just want you all to know that I think this thread is worthy of your consideration, even with all of it's speculation and smart-alec comments. I also want you to know that all is not well with me personally, and that it hasn't been, throughout my entire life. Something has been, and continues to be, very wrong. I don't know what it is, but I think it might have something to do with the spiritual warfare thing. Nothing seems to help. I seem to have lived a miserable and non-productive life, even though I have tried to do just the opposite. It feels as though I am supernaturally targeted for some reason. Once again, I'm going to try to exit stage-left, and nurse my wounds in silence, for the rest of my life. Thanks again for your contributions to innovative and progressive conceptualizations of solar system governance. Unfortunately, I suspect that we will continue to be ruled by secrecy and deception, and that achieving a Perfected Humanity in a Perfected Solar System will continue to be illusive. It seems as if we will not be allowed to be too successful as a race. It seems as if we will stay in jail, and continue to be tortured and killed, as sacrificial lambs, for who knows what reasons. I am very disillusioned with the universe, at this point. I started-out trying to solve my problems and the world's problems, but my pseudointellectual research seems to have made things exponentially worse. I seem to have made the gods and goddesses extremely unhappy with me. I suspect that this has been the case for a very long time, lifetime after lifetime after lifetime. My conceptualizing and writing skills are sort of ok, but you would be very unimpressed with me in real life. I am very unimpressed with myself. On the other hand, I think I could read through sensitive classified files on all manner of subjects, including aliens, star-wars, underground-bases, the secret space program, the secret government, etc, etc, etc, and write well thought-out and rational analysis and recommendation reports. But then, in the D.U.M.B. Cafeteria, I wouldn't be able to carry on much of a conversation, and I'd probably sit in a corner, all by myself. I guess my plans are to think about a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System, in a wide variety of contexts. I want to try to think this thing through from as many angles as possible. I'd like to be able to constructively deal with all races, religions, and countries. I needed help with this subject, but very little seemed to materialize, and possibly there were legitimate reasons why. I keep feeling as though there are numerous individuals, who know the whole story, but are carefully keeping it from me, and possibly for legitimate reasons. Whatever the case may be, I'm super sick of this stupid game. Rational and honest conversation might've been nice, but it might be a little late in the game for that. Many years ago, Dr. Bruce Larson asked me how we should properly process all of the conflicting and confusing information in the world? I didn't have a proper answer then, and I don't have one now, but I now realize how profound and important his question was. You might wish to take a close look at the books and ministry of Dr. Bruce Larson. I have joked around a lot, and been quite irreverent, but at the core of my soul, I am very serious and reverent. Know that light, truth, justice, and righteousness will triumph.

Consider the following areas of study and speculation:

1. Babylon, Egypt, Greece, and Rome before Akhenaten.
2. Babylon, Egypt, Greece, and Rome after Akhenaten and before Jesus Christ.
3. Babylon, Egypt, Greece, and Rome after Jesus Christ until 800-900 A.D.
4. Babylon, Egypt, Greece, and Rome from 800-900 A.D. up to the Present, noting especially the role of the Teutonic Knights and Teutonic Zionism in all of it's forms.

1. The Old World Order. (Led by Isis?)
2. The New World Order. (Led by Amen Ra?)
3. The New Solar System. (Led by Horus?)

1. Gabriel. (Isis?)
2. Lucifer. (Amen Ra?)
3. Michael. (Horus?)

Chain of Command?
1. Draconian Reptilian Queen of Heaven.
2. Hybrid Hermaphrodite God of This World. (who manifests as male, female, black, white, ?????)
3. Hybrid Elites.
4. Human Elites.
5. Human Front-Men and Errand-Boys. (Patriarchy)
6. The Rest of Us.

1. Old World Order - Positive and Negative Aspects - Past, Present, and Future. Problem? Thesis?
2. New World Order - Positive and Negative Aspects - Past, Present, and Future. Reaction? Antithesis?
3. New Solar System - Positive and Negative Aspects - Past, Present, and Future. Solution? Synthesis?

I could say a lot more, but I'm done for now. I'm tired of kicking against the pricks, although it might be fun to kick dick again! (from Avalon 1) Just keep thinking about Ancient Egypt and Teutonic Zionism, with an emphasis on the archangelic roles in the history and future of the solar system. Remember, this is a HUGE subject, and it won't necessarily make you happy. You could study 24/7, for your entire life (if you didn't need to sleep!), and I doubt that you would get everything figured-out and neatly packaged. The confusion and pain are seemingly ongoing. Again, consider this thread as being a study-guide. Consider me as being a smart-alec at the back of the room. I can't imagine delivering a speech from the New York Mothership, or participating in a press-conference on 'Meet the Depressed'. But I suppose that professional speech-writers, endless practice-sessions, chip-implantation, mind-control, teleprompters, drugs, and an extreme makeover would work wonders. I think this sort of thing goes on all the time, possibly in underground bases. But really, I'm not that kind of guy. I'm genuinely trying to be on everyone's side, even though this is probably impossible. I continue to fly-blind, and I continue to attempt neutrality, as I continue to have no animosity toward anyone. But full disclosure might change everything. I'm starting to figure this out, and it's destroying me. I'm going down fast, and I need to pull the rip-cord. I'm descending at terminal velocity through flight level 2,000. Unfortunately, Jaws, Silas, and a Brutal Gang of Dracs are waiting for me on the ground! Fair warning. If you ever talk directly with me, I might ask a lot of questions, and make a lot of comments, which might make you mad at me. I might seem like a two-faced, back-stabbing s.o.b. Friendly (in a distant sort of way) but trenchant. Don't take it personally. Don't be frightened. I mean no harm. I am of peace. Always.  

Note the following, very carefully. Consider combining 1. Orthodoxymoron (this thread, with all linked material), 2. Alex Jones (shows and documentaries), and 3. Dr. Robert H. Schuller (especially his books and broadcasts during 1965-2000). Consider internalizing these three, and exhibiting the best aspects of Anna externally! (in an appropriately masculine and feminine manner) I realize that sounds idiotic, but I'm a bit different, to say the least! Good Anna v Bad Anna? Who knows? Rewatch the entire 'V' series (old and new) with this paragraph in mind. All of this confusing-madness and thrashing-about has caused me to conclude that I don't know much of anything about anything. That is not simply a becoming humility. I mean it. Anyway, that's all folks. I'm going underground. Perhaps you should too. It might be later than we think. Taking the easy way, isn't an easy way.

This is a cool song by 'The 2nd Chapter of Acts'. Some of the verses are taken from Proverbs 17:28, Matthew 11:28/30, and Matthew 28:18/20. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_zFFvqMdEA

All of my life they said be quiet
Be quiet for crying out loud
Taking the easy way isn't an easy way
Even a fool when he is silent
People will think he's wise
Taking the easy way isn't an easy way
In your footprints this is what I read
Tell the children
Tell them what I said
Tell all nations
Tell them I'm not dead
My yoke is easy and my burden is light
My yoke is easy and my burden is light
I might be taken by my sadness and still be filled with joy
Taking the easy way isn't an easy way
I have taken to sing my silent song
Taking the easy way isn't an easy way
My hearts bursting, bursting with your Word
I will tell them, tell them what I've heard
Some though brokenhearted will be cured
For there is healing, healing in Your wings
Yes, there is healing, healing in Your wings
So I take you into my weakness
I'm weak but You are strong
Taking the easy way isn't an easy way
Learning of You has made me give up
Give up all that I am
Taking the easy way isn't an easy way
Transformation in every word
Relocation, hell to heavenward
Education says that You're absurd
Taking the narrow road isn't an easy way
Taking the narrow road isn't an easy way
Taking the easy way isn't an easy way
I recently heard Gerald Celente championing the concept of 'Direct Democracy', wherein everyone votes directly on every issue, rather than depending on often corrupt and incompetent politicians to think and vote for us. As I have stated repeatedly, I like the idea of a combination of direct electorate voting and a constitutional representative republic. I like the idea of everyone voting on every issue, and comprising perhaps 50% of the vote, with the votes of the elected representatives comprising the other 50% of the vote. I continue to like the idea of elected representatives in a United States of the Solar System, all having PhD's in Solar System Studies and Governance. Also, if the general public were to be involved in direct democracy voting, perhaps they should have at least a two-year degree in Governance, to be able to participate in such a program. Do you see my point? I don't want a mob-rule free for all, and I don't want us ruled by corrupt and stupid nitwits in smoke-filled rooms, laughing at the stupid sheeple, with hacking-laughter and contempt. Do you see my point? Today, I'm watching 'Invisible Empire'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&v=NO24XmP1c5E&NR=1 It's really quite good. Again, I don't simply want to engage in throwing stones. I really wish to understand. Someone recently asked me who I would like to be taught by, regarding Solar System Governance. I responded, that even though I didn't really like them, I would want to spend some quality-time with David Rockefeller, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Henry Kissinger, George H.W. Bush, George W. Bush (sorry for all of the funny pictures below), Dick Cheney, Bill and Hillary Clinton, President Obama, Various CEO's, the Queen, the Pope, the Black Pope, the Rothschilds, the Queen of Heaven, and God of This World - just to get their side of the story. Some might be shocked by this damaging admission, but I really and truly am not trying to win a popularity contest. This continues to be a very serious form of entertainment for me, but I refuse to take this too seriously. My endgame is simply to achieve a Brave New Solar System, which Maximizes Long-Term and Sustainable Responsible Freedom in the Context of a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System. I simply wish to keep doing what I'm doing, but perhaps in a more sophisticated and refined manner. But obviously, I don't know the whole story, and it would be important to know the whole story, before saying anything too definitely and confidently. This is why I mostly ask questions and provide links. I like to talk under certain circumstances, but I'm a dud at a party. I am definitely not a party animal, at this point, but who knows what the future holds? I just think people need to become lifelong researchers, and speak in responsive, rather than reactionary, ways. Unfortunately, I've come to the sad conclusion, that the best conversations I engage in, are with myself, or imaginary conversations with various speakers, actors, actresses, or authors. It's really quite strange. I'm not good at small-talk at all. I prefer communicating with people on the internet, as impersonal as that is. I need to get out more. I once held an apple box next to my head, and told a Chris Rock ('Rufus' in 'Dogma') look-alike, that I liked to think outside of the box. He told me about 'Dogma' and the 'Golgothan', but I didn't watch it until long after I had met the 'cast'. I spent quite a bit of time with 'Rufus' and 'Bartleby' (or was it Azrael?), especially the latter. I think Bartleby and Loki pulled-up next to me in their car, when I was out walking my dog, and Loki looked at me very intently and strangely for at least 10 seconds. I hadn't seen 'Dogma' yet, so it didn't register. I think I've met the 'Last Scion' and possibly 'Serendipity'. I knew a Loki-Like many years ago. He spoke of big-time spiritualism in Ancient Egypt. It makes me wonder. It really makes me wonder. Just keep feeding the rope...

What if the New World Order really started in Ancient Egypt? Something catastrophic happened, but I don't know exactly what. I believe in Michael/Jesus, but not necessarily in the standard story. I think the real story has been carefully hidden. I'm really more conservative than the most devout Latin Mass Catholic, in many ways, yet I'm sort of a basket-case smart-alec. I'm all over the charts, and I can't even figure myself out. I'm in bed with no one, other than my dog. I guess I'm in bed with an idealism, which could be applied to most groups and individuals. I'm functioning at about 25%, so I'm dumber and smarter than you think. I continue to believe that I am supernaturally targeted, or something creepy like that. I am willing to work with anyone, but I am very suspicious of everyone. I don't even trust myself, or my dog. Please spend a lot of time researching Ancient Egypt and Teutonic Zionism. The Black People have some very interesting things to say about Ancient Egypt. But don't get caught-up in the racial thing. I have absolutely no hatred for any groups or individuals. I just think the human race needs to stop fiddling around, and we need to really fix things on this planet, and throughout the solar system, hopefully without destroying it and ourselves. I think we're hanging-on by a thread. I really do. Sometimes one can make things worse when they try to make things better. I hope that I haven't been guilty of this, but I fear that I have. I am very worried. No, I'm very frantic.

Once again, what is the true nature of the soul? I come from a religious tradition which preaches against the 'immortality of the soul'. Were the founders of this religion (SDA) trying to protect people from a dangerous aspect of human existence? I truly do not participate in any creepy activities, but creepy things still keep happening to me, uninvited. What if we are all interdimensional reptilian souls who are living in human bodies? I think this might possibly be the case, but it hasn't caused me to become any more insane than I already was. But what about the general public? Probably a third wouldn't believe it, no matter what the evidence or proof was. Probably a third would just shrug their shoulders, and take it in stride. Probably a third would go insane, in various degrees. Just speculation. Are good interdimensional reptilians really angels? Are bad interdimensional reptilians really demons? Did a third of the angels incarnate into male and female human bodies? Was this an act of rebellion? Was this the Fall? Was this the Original and Unpardonable Sin? Did this cause the War in Heaven? Are we presently in the Cold War phase of a previously Hot War? Is it impossible for Spirits in Sinful Human Flesh to perfectly obey the Law of God? Are the wages of sin really and truly death? The end of male and female human physicality? Eternal soul-death or perpetual-punishment? Damned if I know. Or damned if I am who I think I might reincarnationally be? I know I've been over this territory before, but that picture sort of got to me. All of the religions may need to redefine and reinvent themselves. I certainly do not wish to dictate what anyone should think or not think. I'll just keep asking questions.

Unless I'm mistaken, the last comment on this thread, other than mine, was two months ago, even though I have been adding one or two posts nearly every day. I've tried to keep things light, in a serious way, and I have been craving conversation, but it just isn't happening. This thread really is dead, isn't it? I've tried to stop posting several dozen times, but I always have something to add. Perhaps I should get very serious about all of this, and become a hard-core researcher, instead of merely being an armchair smart-alec. It has been suggested that if I used a 5D approach, that I might be more successful. I really can write in a very elevated and inspirational manner. I can remain completely positive. I think I might've become a great evangelist. I once made a passioned religious appeal (along with others) to my fellow classmates in high-school, and they lined up, and gave often tearful testimonies for nearly two hours. I walked though the Greek Theater and the Hollywood Bowl, contemplating an outdoor ministry, many years ago, but nothing ever came of it. I spoke up in Bible classes, and people got mad, and tried to shut me up. I was spoken to in a stern manner by men of great experience and faith. I had doubts, and so I moved on. Was this a mistake? Should I have tried to be another Billy Graham or Robert Schuller? BTW, did they achieve high degrees in Freemasonry? Anyway, I'm pretty disgusted with this whole thing. The whole thing seems to stink from top to bottom. The good guys, the bad guys, everyone, seem to not wish to be challenged or crossed. But I think I should've done more. A lot more. I have some lame excuses, but none of them really hold water. Should I continue to think outside of the box, and challenge the status quo and cherished beliefs of just about everyone? Should I become appropriately pastoral or statesman-like? We really wish to be told what we wish to hear, don't we? We really wish to feel good about ourselves, don't we? We really wish to be proved right, don't we? What was really behind 'Oh God!'and 'Dogma'? I hadn't watched either of them until I had completed at least 75% of this thread, and I found that they were irreverent in ways a bit similar to my own posting style. What's going on here? In many respects, I am more conservative than the conservatives. In other ways, I am more liberal than the liberals.

I feel like a fish out of water, and this has been the case throughout my life. I'd like to know who I was during my last two or three incarnations. I'd like to know who I was in my ancient incarnations. What if I were Cleopatra? What if I were related to Cleopatra? Everyone thinks they were Cleopatra, don't they?! They don't want to think that they might've been Freddy the Freeloader! What would Red Skelton say? I liked the music on the 'Red Skelton Show'. That's a funny thing to say, isn't it? I guess I lost my train of thought. Anyway, I think I need to try to be more appropriately 5D on my Highway to Heaven (Somewhere Over the Rainbow). Red could make people laugh, without using four-letter words. Perhaps I should get a Little House on the Prairie, after I get kicked-out of the one I'm in. That might make my spiritual quest a lot easier. But perhaps I should move to a mountain prairie, to avoid that wall of water. I wish I were kidding, but this is no joke. One more thing. What happened in the last half of June? I have a strange feeling that something significant occurred, but I don't know what. Might whatever it was have something to do with the absence of comments on this thread for the past two months? I feel very uneasy about this. Something seems to be amiss and creepy. I've been very troubled by the sneaky and deceptive aspects connected with trying to find out what's really going on in this solar system. Nothing is straight-forward and honest. I think this whole thing could be properly cleared-up in a proper science-fiction movie, series, or documentary. A Presidential Disclosure Speech should probably occur after everyone already knows what's going on. That speech should probably be anticlimactic. I just wish I knew what I should be doing, or not doing. The fact that no one will talk to me, makes this exponentially more difficult. This continues to feel like a very creepy game, with very high stakes. It feels like a Galactic Most Dangerous Game. What would Rainsford say? One Moor Thing. Look at the Moor's eye (below). Is the slit just an artistic touch, or is this a reptilian hybrid queen? Is there a connection between Arians, Persians, Nazis, Teutonic Zionism, and Bohemian Grove? Think about it. OK, this approach obviously doesn't work, so I should probably do some market research, and figure out what people want, and then give them what they want, right? You wouldn't believe my latest theory! I don't know if I believe it, and I'm certainly not talking about it. It's the wildest theory yet! But, if it's true, it's actually quite sad. There is a clue on this page, but that's all you're going to get. Just blame Inigo Loyola, or someone like him. Tehuti and Vegas are important. I like the desert and the palms. Especially the dates. Read 'The Jesuits' by Malachi Martin. It's a VERY interesting book. I actually like the best aspects of the Jesuits, and I sometimes think of myself as being a Renegade French Jesuit Organist, who is both a friend and enemy of the church! Isn't that strange! The Orthodoxymoron of Notre Dame! What would Arrupe say? Those of you who have been monitoring my internet activities will probably be surprised by the changes I'm about to make. They might even surprise me! Actually, I might just sit back, and enjoy the show. You might have to find someone else to criticize and laugh at. If I were in your shoes, I'd criticize and laugh at myself. Did that make sense? I really despise myself. I think I've really struck-out, and I'm very discouraged. Time to change the batter, because this one's battered to a pulp. Over and out. What would Casey say?

Should this thread morph into a Lunar Studies thread? Who is the premier Lunar Guru, in both an exoteric and esoteric sense? I think I should spend a lot of time considering the work of Richard Hoagland. http://enterprisemission.com/ There are undoubtedly many others, but are they as vocal? I wish I had access to everyone throughout the solar system!! Wouldn't that be cool!! But then I would know way, way too much!! But seriously, the Moon is quite close, and we have officially been there, regardless of whether we went there with conventional or unconvential propulsion. I tend to think that the Lunar Module used some sort of anti-gravity. Plus, there are plenty of conspiracy theories to keep one's blood pressure up! And what about thinking of the possibility of the Queen of Heaven living in a Lunar Palace? It would be cool to go to the Moon, but once the novelty wore off, would one long to be back on Earth? I think it would be cool to have a University of Solar System Studies and Governance campus on the Moon! Should I consider living in such a setting, located within Lunar Base II, using my imagination, or should I stop? What would the Nazis and Greys say?! I was just thinking about Thomas and Sophia in 'The Event'. Could Thomas be compared with the God of This World? Could Sophia be compared with the Queen of Heaven? Notice that Thomas got carried away and became a loose-cannon, while Sophia was incarcerated. Both of them could be quite nice, and incredibly cold, calculating, and violent. Do our visible world leaders have to deal with the equivalent of Thomas and Sophia? I really wonder. http://www.nbc.com/the-event/video/arrival/1329374

Here is some very wild speculation. Read this with extreme discernment, and take it with a sea of salt. What if the World Wars were really wars between various factions of Teutonic Zionists? Or between various factions of Gizeh Intelligence? Were we really dealing with a sort of a Gang War or a Weapons Deal Gone Bad? Crips v Bloods? When we speak of Aryan, are we really speaking of Blond Hair and Blue Eyes? I don't think so. Are we really dealing with Secret Government v Secret Government? Are we dealing with Kabbalists and Nazis? Or are we dealing with Kabbalistic Nazis? How dark and deep is this thing? Each side probably has well thought out justifications for their often brutal and reprehensible actions, but I am very fearful that we are on the verge of exterminating ourselves, or being enslaved by an unimaginable Theocracy and Technocracy. If this occurs, we will undoubtedly blame everyone other than ourselves, but we will still be existing in a living hell. This might be an excellent time to REALLY think this thing through, from cause to effect, rather than just trying to get more, more, more, while the world goes to hell. I suspect that the elites are in more danger than the peons, because they are in too deep, and know too much. The DUMB's might very well become TOMBS. Face yourselves, and think, while we still have a chance.

Could my idealistic and well-intentioned Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System be used as a stepping-stone by an Evil and Corrupt Secret Government? Could I become a naive and unwitting pawn of the Corrupt Powers That Be? It certainly wouldn't surprise me. If my cherished United States of the Solar System were implemented exactly as I envision it, I wouldn't be jumping up and down, or gloating triumphantly. I would probably be in seclusion, working around the clock, to attempt to anticipate problems, and to preemptively create solutions. I really don't think the United States of America was founded free and clear on a clean-sheet of paper. I think there were strings attached. No, I think there were thick steel-cables attached. I think these cables are still attached. I suspect a Constitutional Theocracy. Could the United States of America have been a Teutonic Zionist project? Think about it. Could there be a good and a bad side to this alleged phenomenon? I think so, which is why I think we need to look at the positives and negatives of EVERYONE and EVERYTHING, rather than dealing in broad generalizations. A Brave New Solar System should incorporate the best of the past, no matter who or what these best aspects might've been associated with. I would want to look very closely at both the Old and New World Orders, when determining the character and content of a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System. The infrastructure of the present factions of secret government might be left mostly intact, while being cleaned-up and reformed. We shouldn't try to fix what isn't broken. We shouldn't attempt to reinvent the wheel. We should simply try to make it round and true. I'd like to think of this as being a Non-Hostile Takeover, with No Poison Pills or Scuttling in Absensia. I truly wish to do that which is in EVERYONE'S BEST INTEREST. If this weren't the case, we would doom ourselves to endless hatred and warfare, and ultimately exterminate ourselves. If we fumbled the ball, the same old bad guys and gals might very well be back in the saddle within twenty years, with extreme prejudice and vengence. Think long and hard about what I just said, but don't strain yourselves. Sorry, but sometimes sarcasm is irresistible!

I just feel like Spaceship Earth is out of control, and that it is heading toward a horrible fate. I feel like I am one of millions, or billions, who are frantically trying to get this runaway train under control. I hope that an interplanetary team of PhD Representatives, with Educated Constituents, will be able to keep this beast under control. This whole thing is very iffy and precarious. The consequences of failure are unimaginable. I'm not happy Pre-USSS, and I doubt that I will be happy with a fully implemented and operational USSS. There are just too many problems and potential problems. There is too much horrific and bloody history to ever forget, and to be happy and care-free ever again. Perhaps many church services will be memorials to those who suffered and died on the Road to Utopia. Hopefully, the cost of doing business in a Brave New Solar System will simply be Hard Work, with No Criminal-Violence or Warfare Whatsoever. Could there be such a thing as a Responsible Free Enterprise Workers Paradise? I don't see why not. I sure don't relish Bourgeois v Proletariat class warfare. How about one big stratified and competitive middle-class, with no destitute-poor, and no non-compassionate use of accumulated wealth? How hard is this? This isn't Multivariable Calculus, Nuclear Physics, or Quantum Mechanics. This isn't even Rocket Science, but I guess we're not dealing with Rocket Scientists, now are we? I successfully resisted sarcasm for a whole paragraph. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak. And sorry, I couldn't just pick on 'W'.

orthodoxymoron wrote:Once again, this thread is intended to be a mental and spiritual exercise. I try to make you think, laugh, get mad, get scared, and look at a lot of different things from a lot of different angles. Take all of this seriously, but not too seriously. I am trying to help us avoid the 'Deer in the Headlights' phenomenon, in connection with all of the controversial, confusing, and conflicting material. It's a combination of a zoo and a jungle out there, and I don't think things are going to get any easier any time soon. In fact, I think things might get a lot worse, and they might not get better for a very long time. But do try to treat all of this as science fiction, which might contain some truth, and if it gets too hard to deal with, just move on to something else. A lot of my writing is speculative and intuitive, and I have not exhaustively researched the topics which I address. But I have tried to get as close to the truth as I possibly can, and I have not tried to deceive or mislead anyone. I have also not tried to make a fast buck, although judging from my dismal financial situation, I probably should have. I might write some sort of a science fiction book to try to help pay my bills. Take everything I say with a sea of salt, and with extreme discernment. Probably half of what I say is utter BS, or pure, unmitigated popycock. Consider all of this to be a grand adventure, even if it is very difficult and painful for you. We will all make it through this madness somehow. Namaste.

I don't like the character I've presented in this thread. It's NOT the real me. Not in this life anyway! Here's what I might be in my next life! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFH0WUsg-Uc What if my success or failure as a soul was NOT dependent upon my success or failure in this particular incarnation?? Something is VERY wrong with my present incarnation -- but I'm not sure what that might be, exactly. I seem to be deep and shallow -- simultaneously. I seem to care and not care -- simultaneously. Perhaps this incarnation was intended as a Red-Herring!! What is a Completely Ignorant Fool to do?? I am NOT who I wish to be. I mostly loathe myself and my pathetic life. Honestly. Here's more of my Musical Road Less Traveled!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRHmCtPX0SY I listen to most all types of music -- but Sacred Classical Music is a Sleeping Giant (as far as I'm concerned).

Aquaries1111 wrote:Sorry All,

I  had a bit of a breakdown.

Almost 2 years in missing Brian O'Leary.

I do miss him.

orthodoxymoron wrote:A1, in the coming months and years, I will be reviewing your posts (and others). Right now, I'm just trying to wrap things up. Interestingly (to me) the AED (you know who I'm referring to) told me they had just spoken with Brian O'Leary. I'd like to know who you and the AED really are!! What if you are ONE!! I wouldn't be surprised or shocked by much of anything, at this point.

I don't know where the lying and deception stops, and the truth begins. I suspect a lot of clues throughout history, but if we are all a bunch of prisoners, no one could really speak plainly and clearly. My latest theories and fears are stated in this repost below. Everyone seems to be waiting for the Antichrist, the Alien Invasion, the New World Order, and the Second Coming of Christ, but what if Christ has been a prisoner, along with all the rest of us? What if the Alien Invasion and the creation of the New World Order occurred in ancient Atlantis, Babylon, or Egypt, and that we've just been experiencing various types of torture for thousands of years? What if we are in our last days on Death Row? Sorry for the gloom, but things have gotten quite bad on the home front, and it's probably spilling over into my posting. I'm trying to stop. James Casebolt made a post on my 'Gizeh Intelligence' thread on the old Project Avalon. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=11123 In another thread, he seemed to endorse the first couple of posts of the 'Gizeh Intelligence' thread, if I'm not mistaken. '34,'54,'64. Could these have been staged events? I don't think these guys just showed up. I think they've been here for a very long time. In fact, they might've arrived when we arrived. What if we are all interdimensional reptilian at the soul-level, and simply differ by our being subject to various aspects of environmental and genetic manipulation? What if our jailers are our relatives? Obviously, I can't prove this, but I really wonder. I think we've been on the brink of extinction for at least a hundred years, and I don't see things improving anytime soon.

I have an incredible sense of dread. I am very concerned about an Irresponsible Humanity and Angry, Jealous, Vengeful Gods of Eden. I feel as though I have nowhere to turn, and that I have no friends. What is, is not necessarily right. Might does not necessarily make right. I am pretty much disgusted and despondent regarding the situation and circumstances existing in this Solar System. I'm troubled by both the inmates and the jailers. I feel as though we are facing the end of Male and Female Human Physicality, and that we would probably be shocked, and probably will be shocked, by the fate which awaits us in the near future. Consider very carefully the Science Fiction and Disaster Movies and Television Series of the Past Couple of Decades. Watch them over and over and over again, and look for clues. I will be doing some of this myself, but others, with greater intellectual and technological resources, need to do this. I really do seek a resolution, which is in everyone's best interests, but it's hard to know what to say or do, when I don't really know what the hell is going on. Everything continues to be obscure, sneaky, and sinister. I will continue to pursue a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System, unless and until, something vastly superior emerges, which has stood the test of time, and which would actually work in this Solar System Context. I continue to feel haunted, taunted, and attacked, and that my questions, speculations, and proposed-solutions are not welcome. I really think we're just about out of time. This whole thing does not appear to be about ethics. It seems to be all about obedience. Remember at the beginning of the movie 'Brides of Christ' where OBEDIENCE was emphasized? I don't have a problem with Authority and Obedience, but I do have a problem with the Abuse of Power. Can Theocracy and Democracy be properly and safely combined? Was the Nuremberg Defense 'Just Following Orders' a legitimate defense? What about the 'Twinkie Defense'? What would Dan White say? I honestly believe in Reverence and Respect, but there are dangers connected with Unquestioning Obedience. Very grave dangers indeed. How does one properly question one who is seemingly infinitely superior to themselves? At what point is disobedience the right thing to do? I really wanted to discuss politics and religion, in the deepest and most profound manner imaginable, but this hasn't happened. We haven't even started talking about this. I'm a rather quiet male, but I feel like the stereotypical wife, who babbles on and on and on, while her husband silently hides behind the morning newspaper. I still wish to talk, but I'm not going to hold my breath, waiting for meaningful and useful conversation. Actually, with the chemtrails, and who knows what else, perhaps I should hold my breath, at least when I'm outside. Perhaps I should stop going for my daily walks. I really feel like we are on Death Row. Or, maybe I am on Death Row. Perhaps everyone else will enjoy the bliss of paradise, once orthodoxymoron is gone. Ding-Dong, Namaste, and Have a Nice Day. Don't Let the Sun Go Down on Me. Amen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srP3FXW0Dpo&feature=related


One more time. One last time? I'd like to be like President Martinez in 'The Event', but it's a bit late for that. Perhaps in my next life. http://www.nbc.com/the-event/video/arrival/1329374 Consider the Planet X and Elenin (extermination-level event?) parallels in this episode. I still think it would be cool if all of the renegade piloted-planets, piloted-comets, piloted-dwarf-stars, piloted-asteroids, piloted-moons, subsurface-bases, ufo's, etc., became part of a Brave New Solar System aka the United States of the Solar System, and I'm not speaking of a harsh, dictatorial, and Nazi-like solar system. Not the Old World Order. Not the New World Order. But the New Solar System, based upon Responsibility and an uncorrupted-form of the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights, appropriately adapted and applied to the entire solar system. Perhaps Nibiru (if it really exists) could orbit 1 astronomical-unit beyond the orbit of Pluto. Pluto and Nibiru for Planethood!! I will continue to think about Solar System Governance because of my insecurity and disillusionment with the bullshit. I think the truth is really, really bad, and I doubt there is a satisfying solution. The antediluvian world was supposedly surrounded by some sort of a mist, which did not exist post-deluge. Is there any evidence of such a mist, and what it might've consisted of? The chem-trails (laced with radioactive materials?), Fukushima (deliberately inflicted?), and weather modification (courtesy of HAARP?) might be designed to produce conditions conducive to certain life-forms. Is this possible? Some speak of the 'veil being lifted'. What are they referring to? Are we going to be dealing with zombies, giants, and plf's? How might orgone affect humans and other than humans, physically and on a soul-level? I'm feeling a tremendous sense of dread. Perhaps I should make my shallow underground civilian base a bit deeper. Can you dig it? In the biblical record, Adam lived to the ripe, old age of 939 earth years, but in a very short time period, people were lucky to make it to 100. What the hell happened? That can't possibly be blamed on 'The Fall' can it? Then, 'God' was sorry that 'he' created 'man', and committed genocide, nearly wiping-out the entire human race. In Babylon, 'God' seemed to forbid a One World Government and the Unification of Humanity. I am not a slave to the biblical scrolls, but I do think they contain important clues. Has anyone read any Ralph Ellis books, such as 'Jesus: Last of the Pharaohs'? How about any of Gerald Massey's books, such as 'The Historical Jesus and the Mythical Christ'? Both authors focus upon the intersection of Biblical Studies and Egyptology. Does anyone have any thoughts regarding Biblical Egyptology? What about Michael / Horus / Mithras / Jesus / ??? as being a reincarnating archangel, or even a reptilian queen on a soul-level?

Perhaps a forbidden genetic hybridization program resulted in an undesirable and threatening product of conception, namely the human race. I am interested in idealistic government and religion, and even the constructive combining of the two, but I'm not seeing much of a solid historical foundation for this sort of thing. Is the human race predestined to defeat, by divine design? Am I getting warm (due to increased levels of radioactivity?), or am I just cracking-up? Sometimes I feel like a potted-plant. What would Brendan Sullivan say? Anyway, has anyone read or re-read 'Megatrends' or 'Future Shock' lately, to see how things have played-out in relation to the forecasts and projections? Should I be reading Daniel and the Revelation in the Holy Bible, for the real-deal about the future? Should I try to change the future, or is it pretty-much already determined? Have the gods and goddesses made up their minds what they're going to do with us, or to us? Or, has the Creator God of the Universe decided what to do with the gods and goddesses - and with us? Is the ball in our court, or not? I guess I'm seeking a productive partnership of the Human and the Divine, whatever that really means. Where does the BS stop, and the truth begin? Which Heins 57 varieties of religion and philosophy do we embrace? How shall we then live? Should we just eat, drink, and be merry, as we prepare to die? Should I rent a Ferrari, and do my version of 'On the Beach'? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upg2eqNbF3w&feature=related Most days I feel like Daniel Jackson at that lecture, where everyone walked out, in the movie 'Stargate'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq1RPu2aaU4 Some days I just feel like a Cipher in the Snow. 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw8_ZZviedI 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGXfZFlb46U&feature=related I wish I were joking about the last couple of sentences and links. I think I'll try to cheer myself up by making a pot of coffee, having a shower, and re-watching '2012'. This is no joke, but I think I can hear the universe laughing behind my back. Maybe it's the Dracs on the Moon and Phobos, or maybe it's the cars going up and down my street. BTW, did you guys get my message? One more thing. Maybe I should take another look at 'The Aquarian Conspiracy' by Marilyn Ferguson, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marilyn_Ferguson and perhaps I should re-listen to John Todd, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Todd_(occultist) (you gotta read this wiki link!!) or perhaps I should just shut-up, and eat that frozen lasagna. One more thing. I wish I had gotten better acquainted with Carol Rosin and Edgar Mitchell. I really enjoyed talking with them, and in retrospect I think I should've followed-through on my visits to Whole Life Expos. I think I blew-it, and now it's too late. But regardless of my regrets and fears, I think I'll continue to try to imagine myself on the inside, but in an idealistic sense, if you know what I mean. I really don't want to rant and rave at anyone. I just want to try to imagine the realities of the day to day operation of this solar system. Past, present, and future. I suppose this might involve placing myself in the shoes of the Queen of Heaven, and God of This World. I know this is delusional, but might this provide the best perspective for understanding this Solar System? Past, present, and future? Well folks, is it time for probation to close? Is it time to close the books, and render an Investigative Judgment? Is it time to stand before a Holy God, without a Mediator? The jokes are over, folks. I suspect that this has happened repeatedly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-8b5SDMR1k&feature=fvsr I do not want this to happen again. Face yourselves, and think.

Warning. The following post simply outlines a possible area of study. It does not contain an editorial bias. My questions are sometimes rhetorical. The following questions are not. Is there a connection between the Ashkenazi Jews and Teutonic Zionism? Was the Holocaust an attempt to rid Teutonic Zionism of the Jewish component? How does the Kabbalah fit into this subject? What can reasonably be derived from the term 'Ashkenazi'? Is there a Gizeh Intelligence connection? Here is the wiki link for Ashkenazi. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews I am simply taking a closer look at the Nazis and the Holocaust, in the context of the esoteric and conspiracy research. It continues to be my conviction that factions contain factions - some good, and some bad. What if the most powerful factions in the world, for at least a thousand years, have had some connection to the term 'Teutonic Zionism'? Please don't send the ADL after me. I'm not that kind of guy. I simply think the history of the world and solar system are very complex and messy, complete with hidden factions and covert wars. My primary goal in this thread is to try to unite most, or all, of the various factions into some sort of a constructive whole, where all of them can reach most of their goals, other than destroying or enslaving their enemies! Also, how might the Vatican and Ancient Egypt fit into all of this? Those who really rule the world and solar system are undoubtedly into everything, with certain key individuals and organizations serving as pawns and gofers. They probably all hope to have their particular faction eventually dominate all of the other factions. This might be a vain and fatal delusion. The real rulers might not give a damn about any of the factions. They are all probably just minions and errand-boys, even though they probably think they're special and part of the inner circle. I think this world and solar system are rotten to the core, but other than what I've presented in this thread, I don't have a clue how to make things right. And really, even if we did make things right, many of the problems would persist. I will not promise anyone a rose garden, and I will not lead anyone down the primrose path. Hopefully my good intentions will not pave the road to hell. But frankly, it wouldn't surprise me. I mean well, but I don't think I have a clue. The infowar is already pretty nasty, but I think it's going to get a lot worse. But still, I support a well-moderated, and under-control infowar. Just don't expect it to make you happy. Here is yet another example of the often bitter infowar. It is an interesting looking twelve-part documentary regarding the so called 'Khazar Jews'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Haj-CJOERTs&feature=related I'll be watching this for the next couple of hours. What am I getting involved in??!! Is there possibly a Persian connection in all of this? I like the theory of America, yet when one takes a closer look, the history is horrible. How could all of the atrocities happen, when the founding documents and intentions of the founders seemed so noble? Have you read the 'Federalist Papers' and the 'Anti-Federalist Papers'? Taking this a step further, could the Crusades, the Inquisition, the Native-American Holocaust, and the Jewish Holocaust all be related? What about the many atrocities and mass-murders in the Old Testament of the Holy Bible? What is the common thread? BTW, why don't we include all of the various races who were butchered in World War II when we speak of the Holocaust? Are we on the brink of yet another holocaust at the hands of the same hidden forces? Perhaps we'd better think fast. Please remember, I am trying to be on everyone's side, even though this is probably impossible. I'm really just trying to understand. Unfortunately, there are a lot of cross people with cross purposes. We all seem to get in each other's way, don't we?? What if the human race really does need to be externally-ruled with an iron-fist by malevolent-regressives, simply because we can't work things out, and get along with each other??? I continue to have HUGE problems with BOTH the Human Race and the Gods of Eden. Most of the researchers who have huge problems with the Secret Government, also have huge problems with the General Public. Once again, I am a combination of Incurable Optimism and Unyielding Despair. Perhaps we need both, in order to move forward in any constructive and meaningful way. The Dracs probably look at us, and then look at each other, and shake their heads. What if the Dracs have been authorized to rule over us, simply because we are so problematic? Sometimes I really wonder. Would a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System have to be implemented and maintained with a tough-loving iron-fist? Would we really need a Theocratically-Implemented, Responsibility-Based, United States of the Solar System, with absolutely no corruption, but with a titanium backbone and an iron fist? The most idealistic form of governance might make everyone angry!! It might take a couple of centuries for everyone to calm down!! Everyone might hate me for all eternity!! Just how expensive is the Stairway to Heaven? How much does it cost to keep Light on the Earth? What if the 'Lady We All Know' is an Archangel? Who's the 'Piper'? Another Archangel? It makes me wonder. It really makes me wonder... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcL---4xQYA

There's a lady who's sure all that glitters is gold
And she's buying a stairway to heaven
(And) when she gets there she knows if the stores are all closed
With a word she can get what she came for

Ooh ooh ooh...ooh...ooh ooh ooh
And she's buying a stairway to heaven

There's a sign on the wall but she wants to be sure
'Cause you know sometimes words have two meanings
In the tree by the brook there's a songbird who sings
Sometimes all of our thoughts are misgiven

Oooh...It makes me wonder
Oooh...It makes me wonder

There's a feeling I get when I look to the west
And my spirit is crying for leaving
In my thoughts I have seen rings of smoke through the trees
And the voices of those who stand looking

Oooh...It makes me wonder
Oooh...And it makes me wonder

And it's whispered that soon, if we all called the tune
Then the piper will lead us to reason
And a new day will dawn for those who stand long
And the forest will echo with laughter

Woe woe woe woe woe oh
If there's a bustle in your hedgerow
Don't be alarmed now
It's just a spring clean for the May Queen
Yes there are two paths you can go by
but in the long run
There's still time to change the road you're on

And it makes me wonder...ohhh ooh woe

Your head is humming and it won't go -- in case you don´t know
The piper's calling you to join him
Dear lady can you hear the wind blow and did you know
Your stairway lies on the whispering wind

And as we wind on down the road
Our shadows taller than our souls
There walks a lady we all know
Who shines white light and wants to show
How everything still turns to gold
And if you listen very hard
The tune will come to you at last
When all are one and one is all, yeah
To be a rock and not to roll
Ooooooooooooh

And she's buying a stairway to heaven

The last few posts, and the past few days have taken a lot out of me, and I didn't have a lot left to take. I don't even want to talk about the particulars. But really, take a look at all of my recent posts, starting with the 'Oh, God!' post. (post#886) Just go through all of those posts, and completely watch all of the links. I have never felt more drained in my life, and I really don't have a lot left to give. I feel as though I am everyone's friend, and no one's friend. I'm on everyone's side, and no one's side. I love everyone, but I am annoyed by just about everyone. I especially annoy myself. I continue to be annoyed by the fact that for over two months now, no one has commented on this thread. But really, is this Solo Karaoke Act making me stronger? Perhaps, but in a rather strange way. The more I research and post, the less I seem to know, and the less stable I become. Isn't this strange? At this rate, I should be a Complete Idiot in a Secret Mental Institution by December 21, 2012!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NntcOTdDuxU&feature=fvsr By the way, a complete idiot has an IQ of less than 25, so I'm a bit over-qualified for that designation presently, but not by much. If you think this thread is strange, you should see what I see in my mind's eye!! All of this is so sad, that it's actually funny!! I feel a bit like that guy in the movie (can't remember which one, 'Core' maybe?) where he is deep underground, just before a huge underground nuclear detonation, which will kill him, yet he is talking into his tape-recorder, and he suddenly realizes how absurd that is!! Perhaps this thread is a bit like that!! I don't know whether to hide under the rocks, or to expect the angels to minister to me. I'm one confused dude! Dudes on Ludes shouldn't start controversial threads. Perhaps I need some R&R in that Deep Underground Reptilian Monastery under the Vatican...

Has anyone heard of Doris Ekker, who supposedly translated for Hatonn? The source sounds rather shaky, but the information sounds somewhat interesting, from what little I've heard, so far. Listen to this, and tell me what you think. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-GdtmJD7Cw I don't know what to think. I'm just making this up as I go insane! BTW, when I pretended to be KRLLL, I said that I was from Pleone in the Pleiades, before I knew that there was a Pleione in the Pleiades! What are the odds? I continue to think that it's probably a good idea to listen to a wide variety of individuals and organizations, without taking any of them too seriously. Just keep researching and asking questions. Get informed, without getting mad, or going mad. Even if a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System becomes a reality, I'll probably just continue posting on this thread, or one like it, but with an entry-level Cray, in my 600 square-foot office/apartment, in my shallow underground civilian base, with a sport-model ufo in the garage! The imagination is a wonderful thing, and Google is my friend! Namaste!

I was just outside, looking at the moon. I watched the moonrise, and it was really cool. I spend too much time on the internet, and not enough time in nature. Also, I don't read enough books. What profiteth a man, if he gaineth the whole solar system, but loseth his mind in the process? Perhaps I need to step away from the computer, and read books in nature, while listening to sacred classical music. The computer is turning into an intellectual and spiritual black hole, and I feel like I'm being sucked through the monitor. The lack of conversation on this thread is also a powerful reason to stop. I keep trying, and I keep falling off the wagon. I keep slipping further and further down the rabbit-hole (or is it a snake-hole?), with no bottom in sight. Perhaps the Beast Below is waiting for me. Do I still have a condom in my wallet? What would Dr. Who Do? Who? Anu? I need to take a nice break, and pull my hair out...

This is just a study-guide, which I am trying to rewrite presently, just as an exercise, which I doubt that I'll post. It should probably be read by those who have been struggling with controversial and esoteric subjects for a significant time period, rather than by someone who is still asleep, and doesn't have a clue regarding how problematic things really are. I want to help people, rather than destroy them. I just hope that the right humans and other than humans are dealing with all of this in an ethical and proper manner. Unfortunately, I have my doubts. I suspect that the history of this solar system has been too nasty and bitter for that. I also suspect that all of the life-forms present in this solar system are more problematic than I can imagine. I continue to realize that I know very little concerning the true state of affairs. I just wish I knew what to do to make things better. This whole thing feels like the most significant cold-case in the history of the solar system. Is this really heaven? If so, it's hard to believe. "Another day in paradise" might be more than a figure of speech. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_fzUGA7w54&feature=related Should I do an foia? Which agency? Should I turn this thread into a book? I'd sort of like to keep my house, but I'm afraid to go through the process of openly having a book published. I'd sort of like to remain incognito and back-channel. I also don't know how much of my speculation is true, and I don't know if my ideas and proposals are constructive, so I really don't wish to make a great, big deal out of this highly speculative and controversial material, and then fall flat on my face. There's really more than enough sensationalism and confusion out there presently. I don't wish to add another dimension of insanity to this crazy world. I'd almost need some sort of an insider editor/publisher to put something together, and then submit it to me for final approval, if you know what I mean? I don't even feel comfortable with this thread being on the internet. The implications and ramifications are too enormous. I get the feeling that there are those who don't like me one little bit, and I can't say that I blame them. I don't like myself, which is why I don't date. I don't wish to subject anyone to me. Am I just paranoid, or are they really out to get me? Are we facing an 'October Surprise'? What should I do? What shouldn't I do? Is 'something wonderful' going to happen, or are we truly screwed? I have no idea. But I do know that I'm going into scientist, lawyer, media-mogul, and secret-government mode, but I'm not sure what I really mean by that, other than that I'm going to stop playing softball, and start playing hardball. Richard Nixon told Jimmy Carter that "in Georgia they play softball, but in Washington they play hardball". I wonder what they play on the Darkside of the Moon? I have a feeling I'm about to find out. Perhaps we all are. The sad thing that I am universally noticing, is that the really bad beings seem to get away with just about anything and everything, but generally good beings who make a mistake get crucified. Guess who's running the show in this neck of the woods? On the other hand, how high up the universal chain of command does this go? If this is a prison planet, and we are all on death row, by order of the universal powers that be, perhaps all manner of insanity is sanctioned as a means of punishment prior to execution. I hope I'm wrong, but something is horribly wrong, and we seem to keep getting told BS. Years ago, it was Monolithic BS, but now we have Pluralistic BS. We've come a long way, baby. I am preparing to lose my house, as I have nearly my entire paycheck garnished to pay taxes I don't owe, to pay for the Secret Government, the Secret Space Program, and Deep Underground Military Bases -- all of which seem to not be under the control of the People of This World, and which seem to be hostile toward the People of This World. What's wrong with this picture?

"You know, gentlemen, that I do not owe any personal income tax. But nevertheless, I send a small check, now and then, to the Internal Revenue Service out of the kindness of my heart." -- David Rockefeller (1915-), before a Congressional Committee

I haven't paid much attention to the Nobel Prize, but I just looked at the wiki entry. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Prize Alfred Nobel was born on 21 October 1833 in Stockholm, Sweden, into a family of engineers. He was a chemist, engineer, and inventor. In 1894 Nobel purchased the Bofors iron and steel mill, which he made into a major armaments manufacturer. Nobel also invented ballistite, a precursor to many smokeless military explosives, especially the British smokeless powder cordite. Nobel was even involved in a patent infringement lawsuit over cordite. Nobel amassed a fortune during his lifetime. Most of his wealth was from his 355 inventions, of which dynamite is the most famous. There are six categories. Chemistry, Physics, Medicine, Peace, Literature, and Economics. This is interesting. I appreciate the existence of the Nobel Prize, but these categories are really quite narrow. A lot of top people in other disciplines are not eligible. Also, I suspect that one must be more respectable than profound. If someone didn't have a degree, had a messy house, no track record, was crude, rude, and socially unacceptable - would they have a chance at a Nobel Prize? But isn't this true in many areas of life? Appearances are everything. It's not how good you are. It's how good you look. Right? We are so sophisticated, yet we live in a toilet and a slaughterhouse. Right now, I am disgusted with the whole thing. I've been conducting a test, of sorts, and I've learned more than enough, and I am about to render my verdict. BTW, someday I'd like to establish a prize for Solar System Governance. But really, this will have to be in another life, if I have another life. I'm feeling no love from the Gods or the People. I'm feeling completely alone. Perhaps it's always been that way. Perhaps it will always be that way...
Why will no one properly debate me on the contents of this thread? Why is there no open and honest discussion of the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth concerning the human predicament? This whole thing continues to feel like some sort of a sick shell-game. It continues to feel like a rigged-game. The bad-guys continue to win, and the good-guys continue to lose. I get the feeling that this solar system will never be a genuinely happy and peaceful place. This is a sneaky and stupid mess. The lies and absurdities are endless. We major in minors, and minor in majors. I really feel like this is the end of the human race. I feel like this universe had a fleeting chance, which is quickly vanishing. I have very little hope. I have no joy. I am morphing from a passively-disillusioned nice-guy -- into a peaceful warrior. Perhaps it might've been better to just live the lie, but I'm not that kind of guy. I tried. I really did try to make classical theology and politics work. But it never did work. This thing seems to be set up in such a way that things will never work, no matter how hard we try, or how well-intentioned we are. I'm getting the picture that we really are in a hopeless situation. Yet I will continue to conceptualize an idealistic Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System, even though I think the chances of such a grandiose development are close to zero. But really, even if such a pipe-dream became a reality, would it be appreciated and cherished? I doubt it. Well now. Back to reality. There's no problem. Everything's fine. I love Big Brother. (or is it Big Sister?) Is Big Brother a Real Mother?

I just wish I knew more about what's really going on in this solar system. I wish I knew all about the various factions, and what they are really all about. What if it turned out that Teutonic Zionism, the Nazis, the Fed, the IRS, the CIA, the Secret Government, the Vatican, the City of London, Washington DC, the UN, the Secret Space Program, etc. and et al -- were all necessary in some twisted way??!! I am still very worried about the ancient history of the human race, and it's relevance to what is occurring presently. The creation, rebellion, original sin, unpardonable sin, war in heaven, the arrival of the moon, the origins of monotheism, the nature of the soul, battling archangels, vengeful deities, reptilians, greys, dracs, reptilian queens, etc, and et al --- could have everything to do with what Alex Jones bitches about for three hours every week-day. We might have a helluva lot more to worry about than the elites, the CFR, the Bilderbergers, et al. It just seems that the current taxation system is sinister, corrupt, and even illegal. But really, I endorse a 5% point of sale tax, with funds going directly to our government, without passing through private hands. I would not be opposed to the funding of legitimate underground bases and exotic spacecraft. I just get the feeling that we've been had big-time. But how high up the universal chain of command does the madness go? Or what did the human race do to possibly deserve such treatment? I'm pursuing a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System, to try to properly manage what seems to be a prison planet in rebellion -- and to establish a proper and constructive relationship with the universal powers that be, who we might have HUGE karmic-debt issues with. Something went very wrong in antiquity, but I don't know what it was, exactly. Blood, death, taxes, war, and human-sacrifice are sore-subjects with me presently. Once again, I am not necessarily against scales and tails, especially if these beings are somehow related to us. I'd even tour the solar system on a Draconian Mothership, if and only if, nothing bad would happen to me. But how could one be sure? It just seems that the history of this solar system is insanely violent and bloody, and that much of the politics and religion seem to be absurd, in retrospect. This is even more sigificant if we had advanced technology and culture in the antedeluvian world. It seems as though we lost a war, and then got royally screwed. I'd still like to know the real connection between the Ashkenazi Jews, Teutonic Zionism, and Ancient Egypt. What if the New World Order began in Ancient Egypt? The tax-money, war blood-money, illegal drug-money, etc. seems to get sucked into a deep underground black hole, that even the President is not allowed to visit or know about. I suspect that the Bankster Bailout had a lot to do with feeding that underground black hole. This is very frightening to me, especially when I no longer leave everything in the Lord's Hands. How can one be truly responsible when they 'let go, and let God'? BTW, I'm sick and tired of being spied on. Akashic-Survaillance should violate some universal laws...

I still try to be Christ-Centered, but now my Christocentricity seems to be centered in Ancient Egypt, and embellished with a combination of science and science-fiction. Robert Morningsky has had a bit to do with this. I'm trying to look at the major currents through history, rather than just looking at isolated texts and events. There seem to be strong and deep undercurrents, which are mostly invisible, yet which have everything to do with everything. Studying the Teutonic Knights and Teutonic Zionism has opened-up a can of worms that I can't believe. And now I'm looking at it's origins, and the dates keep getting earlier and earlier. I'm down to around 700 A.D., and I'm sure this trend will continue. But I sense that 800-900 A.D. is really crucial and pivitol. I think the New World Order has everything to do with this history. It's not just the modern errand-boys, which include the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Bilderberg Members, et al. I think we've had world government for thousands or millions of years. I'm just seeing battling factions within world government. But this is mostly an imaginary vision presently. I'm just stubbornly following my intuition and sketchy research. In many ways, I'm not sure I really want to know the truth. I think I might've been a reincarnational piece of work. I continue to have a mental-block connected with Ancient Egypt. I've had a very difficult time concentrating on the 'Red Pill' thread. In fact, despite making semi-coherent posts, I'm not doing very well at all, and this pseudo-intellectual pursuit is sort of like reinventing the wheel. I have a crazy vision of getting things all figured-out while in the nut-house, shouting out the 'hidden-truth' to the men in the white coats! I recently heard of various agencies accessing the Akashic Records as a method of spying on people. This is what I found repulsive, and not that our various activites might be noted and recorded in a rather impersonal manner. I have a problem with being personally watched 24/7. I feel like a lab-rat in Pinky and the Brain's laboratory. I guess I have a problem with Watchers who like to watch...

Either the good-guys are supernaturally attacking me because I'm a reincarnationally bad-guy, the bad-guys are supernaturally attacking me because I'm a reincarnationally good-guy, or I've been both a good-guy and a bad-guy throughout the millenia, and both sides have a lot to lose in connection with my reincarnational connections. I don't have much to base any of this on, and it's just how I feel. Am I presently exposing evil, or is the tripe I type really just a regurgitation of what everyone who is anyone already knows? I'm really trying to do the right thing, even if I'm destroying myself in the process, and I suspect that I'm doing just that. Just keep feeding the rope...and I'll eventually hang myself, if I haven't already. Frankly, I don't give a damn. Frankly, all I really care about is the transformation of this purgatory into the paradise it was intended to be. I wonder if anyone has really examined this thread from an ivory-tower academic point of view. I've just been stumbling around the internet, but what would a dozen Harvard or Oxford professors conclude after spending a month studying and discussing what I have posted? This is where things might become very interesting. I have stated repeatedly that this is a study-guide, and that it merely scratches the surface of a very deep study. So, what would a group of scholars come up with, after studying all of this in a devotional and academic manner? Perhaps someday I'll find out. But for now, I need to stop posting, rewrite this thread into novel form, clean up my act on the home front, do an foia, spend more time reading in nature, as I prepare for the end of the world as we know it. I am much more impressed with this thread than I am with myself, but I probably need to repackage the thread and myself so as to win friends and influence people. The present packaging really doesn't work. Once again, if I'm not posting, that keeps people guessing, which is probably a good thing. I will attempt an extreme makeover of myself, so as to become neat, clean, prim, proper, and respectable. Selling my house, fixing my teeth, paying my alleged taxes, and enrolling in charm school might be a feeble start, but perhaps I'm past the point of no return, and perhaps I really don't wish to attempt to impress anyone. Again, I just wish to see this solar system run properly, and I think I've already stated one way that this might be properly done, so perhaps my work is over. Perhaps I should just get out of the way, and fade away. Should I leave the solar system? Should everything I created throughout the millenia (if anything) be removed from this solar system? Should I leave everyone to their own devices? I leave you with music which is very special to me. It was composed by someone who I knew personally for many years. Namaste and Godspeed. 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YdMaZRVUU8&feature=list_related&playnext=1&list=AVGxdCwVVULXdf9IpJJeopOYVwpFe6v3is 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlj6KlFEcm0
So, has anyone watched 'The Event'? http://www.nbc.com/the-event/video/arrival/1329374 If so, what about the Planet X and Elenin (extermination-level event?) parallels in this episode? I still think it would be cool if all of the renegade piloted-planets, piloted-comets, piloted-dwarf-stars, piloted-asteroids, piloted-moons, subsurface-bases, ufo's, etc., became part of a Brave New Solar System aka the United States of the Solar System, and I'm not speaking of Nazi-like, harsh, and dictatorial solar system governance. Not the Old World Order. Not the New World Order. But the New Solar System, based upon Responsibility and an uncorrupted-form of the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights, appropriately adapted and applied to the entire solar system. Perhaps Nibiru (if it really exists) could orbit 1 astronomical-unit beyond the orbit of Pluto. Pluto and Nibiru for Planethood!! I will continue to think about Solar System Governance because of my insecurity and disillusionment with the lies, corruption, and confusion. I think the truth is really bad, and I doubt there is a satisfying solution. On the original Project Avalon, Tone3Jaguar posted on a thread regarding dowsing-derived information on a huge number of ufo's and et's surrounding Earth in cloaked-form. Has there been a follow-up or a reality-check on that information? If there are thousands of piloted asteroids and ufo's throughout the solar system, and all manner of life-forms and advanced-technology in underground bases, how significant would this make the approach of Elenin? Is something a brewing? Hmmmmmmmmm. I'm leaning toward the investigation of material which is at least five years old, to avoid the sensationalism of 'just around the corner' events. I realize that it's not as much fun to reality-check the older material, but this type of study might be very revealing. In a sense, I have been reality-checking myself as I review the contents of my internet posting, especially on this thread. I continue to think that the 'good-stuff' is yet to come, as various individuals conduct research based upon the principles, concepts, and particulars of this thread. I have really just expressed an interest in various areas of study, which seem to be complementary. This is only the beginning. I continue to be puzzled by the lack of interest in this thread. My present situation is limiting my progress in this area, but what about everyone else? I've simply been trying to open doors and windows which might help others to experience the 'Eureka Phenomenon'. I certainly don't have a 'Monopoly on God'. I have no idea regarding my fate and everyone else's fate. I really don't know what's going to happen. I think the future is up for grabs, or so it seems. We seem to be in a very unstable and precarious situation, but without more reliable information, how can anyone know what's really going on? I just have to keep pressing forward, with fear and trembling...but seemingly without company. Misery loves company, and the company loves misery. What if this madness turns into a nasty survival of the fittest destructive competition frenzy? Nations are angry. Men run to and fro. Where did I hear that? Jesus? Paul? John the Revelator? Art Bell? The Quickening? The Horror! I continue to wonder how the Vatican should be properly run. Really, it's a huge and complex problem. I joke a lot, but it's really a serious subject. I suspect that the Vatican is in panic-mode right now. They have so many skeletons (and aliens?) in the confessionals, and the stakes are so high, as the church confronts modernity and a brutal gang of dracs. I have tried to imagine myself walking through the Vatican, contemplating the problems of the church, world, solar system, and universe. If one really cared, and dealved deeply, this would be quite an overwhelming task. I suspect that the Vatican is both the problem and the solution, in many ways. I continue to be interested in the Teutonic Knight Connection. All Roads lead to Rome, but where did all of these roads originate, exactly? Just tearing down the powers that be, will not solve our problems. I do not relish anarchy. I desire an evolutionary transition into a great, big, beautiful tomorrow.

Once again, I wish to state that I am NOT an authority on ANYTHING. I can formulate semi-profound insights -- but I can't think fast and win arguments. I'm truly a back of the room reflector and smart@ss. It takes all kinds -- right?? Beware of 1. Disclosure. 2. Regime-Change. 3. Earth-Changes. 4. Terrorism. 5. Financial-Resets, Events, and Announcements which cause the markets to go nuts. 6. Alien Invasions. 7. Arrival of Saviors, Gods, Goddesses, Antichrists, et al. 8. Stupidly-Implemented Brilliant-Ideas. 9. Poison-Pills. 10. Sour-Grapes. 11. Retribution and Utter-Destruction. I think there are some very hard feelings and deep-seated hatreds in this solar system -- but I have NO idea regarding the details. The Ancient and Ongoing Problems and Issues Might be Unimaginable and Nearly Unsolvable. Don't Expect Quick-Fixes and Happy-Clappy Solutions. If Something Sounds Too Good to be True -- it Probably IS.

I'm a Law, Order, Trial, and Prison Kind of Guy -- rather than a Slavery, Exploitation, and Extermination Kind of Guy. I believe in Innovative-Continuity and Evolutionary-Change -- rather than Revolutionary-Change and Strong-Arm Tactics. I believe in Paradise Incorporated rather than Purgatory Incorporated. I believe in Positively-Reinforcing the Best of the Past (even the best aspects of that which might be quite reprehensible overall). I believe in a 5,000 Justice and 5,000 Representative United States of the Solar System (with JD and PhD Justices and Representatives). I believe in an Absolutely Ethical and Well Thought-Out International and Interplanetary Supreme Court System of Justice. I lean toward a 'Good-Anna' rather than a 'Bad-Anna'. On the other hand, 'Bad-People' might require a 'Bad-Anna' to manage them!! Consider watching 1. The Europa Report. 2. Iron Sky. 3. Paul. 4. Contact (1997). 5. V (old and new versions). 6. Earth: Final Conflict. This is just an intuitive list to use as a mental and spiritual exercise in connection with all of the new and upsetting information we are being bombarded with. There are many objectionable aspects to these movies and series -- yet we should probably wrestle with them (as a group) for a while. Then, try reading the Bible (and consider it to be Historical-Fiction if you must) -- but read book after book straight-through, as a mental and spiritual exercise. I believe that EVERYONE should STUDY the Bible -- but that there should be very little Angry or Arrogant Bible Quoting. Try combining Science, Science-Fiction, and Bible-Study. Probably all ancient sources are problematic regarding being absolute standards of ethics, history, and knowledge. I believe that we truly see through a glass, darkly.

Consider the life of Astronaut Brian O'Leary. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_O%27Leary Brian Todd O'Leary (January 27, 1940 – July 28, 2011)[1] was an American scientist, author, and former NASA astronaut. He was a member of the sixth group of astronauts selected by NASA in August 1967.[1] The members of this group of eleven were known as the scientist-astronauts, intended to train for the Apollo Applications Program - a follow-on to the Apollo Program, which was ultimately canceled. In later life he became an advocate of utilizing exotic energy sources to resolve humanity's energy problems.

Personal

O'Leary was born and raised in Boston, and credited a teenage visit to Washington, D.C. with inspiring the patriotism that drove his efforts to become an astronaut.[2] Climbing the Matterhorn, running the Boston Marathon and becoming an Eagle Scout were among his pre-astronautic activities. O'Leary had two children. He was married to Meredith Miller.

Education

O'Leary graduated from Belmont High School, Belmont, Massachusetts, in 1957. He received a bachelor of arts degree in physics from Williams College in 1961, a masters of arts in Astronomy from Georgetown University in 1964, and a doctor of philosophy in astronomy from the University of California at Berkeley in 1967.[1]

Organizations

O'Leary became a Fellow of the American Association for the Advancement of Science in 1975.[1] Other organizations are: 1970-1976, secretary of the American Geophysical Union's Planetology Section; 1977, team leader of the Asteroidal Resources Group, NASA Ames Summer Study on Space Settlements;[1] 1976–1979, member of the nominating committee of the American Astronomical Society Division for Planetary Sciences; 1983–1985, chairman of the board of directors of the Institute for Security and Cooperation in Space; 1990, founding board member of the International Association for New Science; 2003, founding president of the New Energy Movement; 2007-2011, Fellow, World Innovation Foundation.

Astronaut program

While attending graduate school in astronomy at the University of California, Berkeley, O'Leary published several scientific papers on the Martian atmosphere.[3] O'Leary's Ph.D. thesis in 1967 was on the Martian surface.[4] Soon after completing his Ph.D. thesis, O'Leary was the first astronaut specifically selected for a potential manned Mars mission when it was still in NASA's program plan, projected for the 1980s as a follow-on to the Apollo lunar program.[1][5] O'Leary was the only planetary scientist-astronaut in NASA's astronaut corps during the Apollo program.[6] O'Leary resigned from the astronaut program in April 1968, and cited several reasons for resigning in his The Making of an Ex-Astronaut, which included the cancellation of the Mars program in early 1968.

Academic career

After O'Leary's resignation from NASA, Carl Sagan recruited him to teach at Cornell University in 1968, where he researched and lectured until 1971. While teaching at Cornell, he studied lunar mascons.[7] O'Leary subsequently taught astronomy, physics, and science policy assessment at several academic institutions, including the University of California at Berkeley School of Law (1971–1972) Hampshire College (1972–75) and Princeton University (1976–1981).[8]

O'Leary was a member of the Mariner 10 Venus-Mercury TV Science Team.[9] The team received NASA's group achievement award for its participation.[10]

O'Leary authored several popular books and more than one hundred peer-reviewed articles in the fields of planetary science, astronautics, and science policy.[11] He was one of the more visible scientists who participated in Gerard K. O'Neill and the L5 Society's plans for an orbiting city.[12] O'Leary suggested that Earth-approaching asteroids and the moons of Mars would be the most accessible space-based resource for space colonies.[13] O'Leary was among the earliest to coordinate observations and interpretations of stellar occultations by planetary satellites and asteroids.[14] O'Leary also wrote and edited popular books on astronomy and astronautics.[15] During the 1970s and 1980s, O'Leary was a regular contributor to the magazines Omni, Science Digest, New Scientist, Astronomy, and Sky and Telescope.

Political activities

O'Leary became politically active early in his career. He participated in a demonstration in Washington, D.C. in 1970, to protest the war in Cambodia. Richard Nixon administration officials invited O'Leary and his fellow Cornell professors into the White House to present their grievances and their meeting appeared as the lead story of CBS Evening News on May 9, 1970.[16] O'Leary was Morris Udall's energy advisor during his 1975-1976 campaign for U.S. president, and served under Udall as a special staff consultant on energy for the U.S. House Interior Committee subcommittee on energy and the environment in 1975-1976.[8] O'Leary advised other U.S. presidential candidates, including George McGovern, Walter Mondale, Jesse Jackson, and Dennis Kucinich.

During those years, he also immersed himself in several controversies relating to NASA's objectives, including its manned lunar landings, the Space Shuttle, and the weaponization of space.[17] O'Leary promoted a joint manned mission to Mars between the U.S. and the Soviet Union.[18] O'Leary twice traveled to the Soviet Union in the late 1980s to promote the peaceful exploration of space. O'Leary participated in a peace cruise along the Dnieper River in the Ukraine with the first Westerners to visit the area in decades.[19]

Moon landing controversy

O'Leary once stated that it was "remotely" possible some footage from the Apollo moon missions could have been created in a studio environment to avoid embarrassment on NASA's part. This started a controversy over O' Leary's beliefs whether the moon landings were real or not. In March 2001, O'Leary appeared briefly in Fox TV's "Conspiracy Theory: Did We Land on the Moon," stating that "I can't say for sure 100%, whether these men walked on the moon. It is possible that NASA could have covered it up, just in order to cut corners, and to be the first to allegedly go to the moon." This has been a question of many hoax advocates for years but O' Leary remained quiet about the Moon program saying that he had "no interest" in rejoining the debate.

Alternative beliefs

A remote viewing experience in 1979[20] and a near-death experience in 1982[21] initiated O'Leary's departure from orthodox science. After Princeton, O'Leary worked in the space industry at Science Applications International Corporation in Hermosa Beach, California, beginning in 1982.[8] O'Leary refused to work on military space applications, which resulted in losing his position there in 1987.[22]

Beginning in 1987, O'Leary increasingly explored unorthodox ideas, particularly the relationship between consciousness and science, and became widely known for his writings on "the frontiers of science, space, energy and culture".[8][23] He lectured extensively since the 1980s on science and consciousness, in places such as the Findhorn Foundation, Esalen Institute, Omega Institute, Unity Churches, Religious Science churches and Sivananda Yoga Vedanta Centres. He extensively traveled internationally during his investigations, which included visiting scientific laboratories and mystics such as Sathya Sai Baba. In the mid-1990s, O'Leary began to write about his investigations regarding innovative technologies that allegedly utilize energy sources that science does not currently recognize (also called new energy), and how those technologies can transform the planet and the human journey.[24] O'Leary believed there is an extraterrestrial presence on Earth, its relationship to those potentially transformative technologies, and their conjoined organized suppression.[25] O'Leary also participated in the Face on Mars debate.[26]

In 2003,[citation needed] O'Leary founded the New Energy Movement.[27] Shortly after his new energy colleague Eugene Mallove was murdered in 2004,[28] O'Leary moved to Ecuador, where he resided for the rest of his life. He continued to travel and publicly lecture on the subject of new energy and planetary healing.[29] In 2007, O'Leary presented a paper titled "Renewable and Unconventional Energy for a Sustainable Future: Can We Convert in Time?", at the International Energy Conference and Exhibition in Daegu, South Korea.[30] With his artist wife Meredith Miller, in 2008 he co-established[citation needed] the Montesueños Eco-Retreat in Vilcabamba, Ecuador, which is devoted to "peace, sustainability, the arts and new science".[31] In 2009, O'Leary published The Energy Solution Revolution.[32] In 2010, O'Leary published "The Turquoise Revolution".[33]

Publications

The Making of an Ex-Astronaut 1971. ISBN 0671772856.
The fertile stars 1981. ISBN 089696079X.
Project Space Station 1983. ISBN 0811717011.
Mars 1999 1987. ISBN 0811709825.
Exploring Inner & Outer Space 1989. ISBN 155643068X.
The Second Coming of Science 1993. ISBN 155643152X.
Miracle in the Void: Free Energy, Ufos and Other Scientific Revelations 1996. ISBN 096478260X.
Reinheriting the Earth 2003. ISBN 0939040379.
The Energy Solution Revolution 2009. ISBN 0979917646.

References

1.^ a b c d e f National Aeronautics and Space Administration (August 2011). "Astronaut Bio: Brian T. O'Leary". NASA. Retrieved April 10, 2012.
2.^ O'Leary, Brian (2009). The Energy Solution Revolution. Bridger House Publishers, Inc. pp. 176–177. ISBN 978-0-9799176-4-6.
3.^ Among the papers on Mars published before O'Leary's astronaut selection were: Rea, D.G.; O'Leary, B.T. (1965). "Visible Polarization Data of Mars". Nature 206 (4989): 1138–1140. Bibcode:1965Natur.206.1138R. doi:10.1038/2061138a0.; O'Leary, Brian T. (1965). "A Revised Upper Limit of NO2 in the Martian Atmosphere". Publ. of the Astronomical Soc. of the Pacific 12 (456).; Rea, D.G.; O'Leary, B.T.; Sinton, W.M. (March 12, 1965). "Mars: The Origin of the 3.58- and 3.69-Micron Minima in the Infrared Spectra". Science 147 (3663): 1286–1288. Bibcode:1965Sci...147.1286R. doi:10.1126/science.147.3663.1286.; O'Leary, B.T; Rea, D.G. (January 20, 1967). "Mars: Influence of Topography on Formation of Temporary Bright Patches". Science 155 (3760): 317–319. Bibcode:1967Sci...155..317O. doi:10.1126/science.155.3760.317. PMID 17792055.
4.^ O'Leary's Ph.D. thesis: O'Leary, Brian T. (1967). Mars: Visible and Near Infrared Studies and the Composition of the Surface. Department of Astronomy, University of California, Berkeley. Abstract in: Astronomical Journal. American Institute of Physics. 1967. p. 317.
5.^ O'Leary, Brian (1970). The Making of an Ex-Astronaut. Houghton Mifflin. ISBN 0-671-77285-6. In this autobiographical account, O'Leary describes his astronaut selection committee interview in which his unique Mars credentials and willingness to risk a two-year hazardous mission to Mars were discussed.
6.^ Shayler, David J.; Burgess, Colin (2006). NASA's Scientist-Astronauts. Springer Praxis Books. p. 154. ISBN 0-387-21897-1.
7.^ O'Leary, B.T. (1968). "The influence of lunar mascons on its dynamical figure". Nature 220 (5174): 1309. Bibcode:1968Natur.220.1309O. doi:10.1038/2201309a0.; O'Leary, Brian T.; Campbell, Malcolm J.; Sagan, Carl (August 15, 1969). "Lunar and Planetary Mass Concentrations". Science 165 (3894): 651–657. Bibcode:1969Sci...165..651O. doi:10.1126/science.165.3894.651. PMID 17780710.; Campbell, Malcolm J.; O'Leary, Brian T.; Sagan, Carl (June 13, 1968). "Moon: Two New Mascon Basins". Science 164 (3885): 1273–1275. Bibcode:1969Sci...164.1273C. doi:10.1126/science.164.3885.1273. PMID 17772565.
8.^ a b c d Shayler and Burgess, p. 524.
9.^ Murray, Bruce C.; Brian O'Leary, et al (March 29, 1974). "Venus: Atmospheric Motion and Structure from Mariner 10 Pictures". Science 183 (4131): 1307–1315. Bibcode:1974Sci...183.1307M. doi:10.1126/science.183.4131.1307. PMID 17791373.; Murray, Bruce C.; Brian O'Leary, et al (July 12, 1974). "Mercury's Surface: Preliminary Description and Interpretation from Mariner 10 Pictures". Science 185 (4146): 169–179. Bibcode:1974Sci...185..169M. doi:10.1126/science.185.4146.169. PMID 17810511.; O'Leary, Brian (1975). "Venus: vertical structure of stratospheric hazes from Mariner 10 pictures". Journal of Atmospheric Science 32 (6): 1091–1100. Bibcode:1975JAtS...32.1091O. doi:10.1175/1520-0469(1975)032<1091:VVSOSH>2.0.CO;2. ISSN 1520-0469.; O'Leary, "Comments on Mariner 10 and Ground-based UV observations of Venus", Conference on the atmosphere of Venus, Goddard Institute for Space Studies, October 1974, pp. 63-68, and in same publication: O'Leary, "Stratospheric hazes from Mariner 10 limb pictures of Venus", pp. 129-132.
10.^ "appendix d". SP-424 The Voyage of Mariner 10. NASA. Retrieved April 10, 2012.
11.^ "C.V. of Dr. Brian O'Leary". brianoleary.info. Retrieved April 10, 2012.
12.^ O'Leary, Brian T.; O'Neill, Gerard K. (September 1979). "Space Manufacturing, Satellite Power and Human Exploration". Interdisciplinary Science Reviews (Maney Publishing) 4 (3): 193–207. Bibcode:1979ISRv....4..193O. doi:10.1179/030801879789768144.; O'Neill, Gerard K.; Driggers, G., O'Leary, B. (1980). "New Routes to Manufacturing in Space". Astronautics and Aeronautics 18: 46–51.; O'Leary, Brian (1982). Space Industrialization – Volume 1 1. CRC Press. ISBN 0-8493-5890-6.; O'Leary, Brian (1982). Space Industrialization – Volume 2 2. CRC Press. ISBN 0-8493-5891-4.
13.^ O'Leary, Brian (July 22, 1977). "Mining the Apollo and Amor Asteroids". Science 197 (4301): 363–366. Bibcode:1977Sci...197..363O. doi:10.1126/science.197.4301.363-a. PMID 17797965.; O'Leary, Brian (1983). "Mining the Earth-Approaching Asteroids for Their Precious and Strategic Metals". In Burke, James D.; Whitt, April S. Advances in the Astronautical Sciences. Proceedings of Princeton Conference on Space Manufacturing (San Diego: American Astronautical Society) 53: 375–389.; O'Leary, Brian (1984). "Phobos & Deimos as Resource & Exploration Centers". In McKay, Christopher. The Case for Mars II. Presented at the 2nd Case For Mars conference, Boulder (Boulder, CO: American Astronautical Society). 81-164: 225–245.; O'Leary, Brian (1989). "Mars 1999: A Concept for Low-Cost Near Term Human Exploration and Propulsion Processing on Phobos and Deimos". In McKay, Christopher. Case for Mars III (American Astronautical Society) 204.; O'Leary, Brian (1985). "Rationales for Early Human Missions to Phobos and Deimos". In Mendell, W.W. Lunar Bases and Space Activities of the 21st Century. Lunar and Planetary Institute. p. 154. ISBN 0-942862-02-3.; O'Neill, G.; O'Leary, B., eds. (1977). Space Manufacturing from Nonterrestrial Materials - in Progress in Astronautics and Aeronautics. vol. 57. AIAA.; Billingham, John; Gilbreath, William; O'Leary, Brian, eds. (1979). Space Resources and Space Settlements. SP-428. Washington, D.C.: NASA.; O'Leary, Brian; Gaffey, Michael J.; Ross, David J.; Salkeld, Robert (1979). "Retrieval of Asteroidal Materials". In John Billingham; William Gilbreath; Brian O'Leary eds. Space Resources and Space Settlements. SP-428. Washington, D.C.: NASA. pp. 142–154.
14.^ Taylor, G.E.; O'Leary, B. et al (December 17, 1971). "Occultation of Beta Scorpii C by Io on May 14, 1971". Nature 234 (5329): 405–406. Bibcode:1971Natur.234..405T. doi:10.1038/234405a0.; O'Leary, B. (March 10, 1972). "Frequencies of Occultations of Stars by Planets, Satellites, and Asteroids". Science 175 (4026): 1108–1112. Bibcode:1972Sci...175.1108O. doi:10.1126/science.175.4026.1108. PMID 17797390.; O'Leary, Brian; Van Flandern, Thomas C. (August 1972). "Io's triaxial figure". Icarus 17 (1): 209–215. Bibcode:1972Icar...17..209O. doi:10.1016/0019-1035(72)90057-7.; Carlson, R.W.; B. O'Leary, et al (October 5, 1973). "An Atmosphere on Ganymede from Its Occultation of SAO 186800 on 7 June 1972". Science 182 (4107): 53–55. Bibcode:1973Sci...182...53C. doi:10.1126/science.182.4107.53. PMID 17829812.
15.^ O'Leary, Brian (1981). The Fertile Stars. Everest House. ISBN 0-89696-079-X.; Beatty, J. Kelly; O'Leary, Brian; Chaikin, Andrew, eds. (1981). The New Solar System. Cambridge University Press and Sky Publishing Corp. ISBN 0-521-23881-1.
16.^ CBS Special - "Colleges, Cambodia, and Confrontation", originally aired on May 9, 1970.
17.^ O'Leary, B. (April 25, 1977). "Topics – Science – Or Stunts – On the Moon?". The New York Times.; O'Leary, B. (January 20, 1971). "The Wild Blue Space Shuttle". The New York Times.; O'Leary, B. (February 16, 1972). "Do We Really Want a Space Shuttle?". The New York Times.; O'Leary, B. (April 6, 1981). "Space Hawks: Military Race to Keep Shuttle Flying". The Globe and Mail.; O'Leary, B. (January 22, 1984). "Wanted: A Space Program that will Fly into the Future". Los Angeles Times.; O'Leary testified at the space authorization hearings in the U.S. Senate; Congressional Record, June 29, 1971.
18.^ O'Leary, B. (September 3, 1986). "Will U.S. Join Russians for a Trip to Mars in 1998? / The benefits, both scientific and economic, of a joint-manned Martian expedition are incalculable". San Francisco Chronicle.; O'Leary, B. (1987). Mars 1999 – Exclusive Preview of the U.S. – Soviet Manned Mission. Harrisburg, Pennsylvania: Stackpole Books. ISBN 0-8117-0982-5.
19.^ "Peace Cruise on the Dnieper". Soviet Life: 16. February 1990.
20.^ O'Leary, Brian (1989). Exploring Inner and Outer Space. Berkeley, California: North Atlantic Books. pp. 6–9. ISBN 1-55643-068-X.
21.^ O'Leary, Brian (1989). Exploring Inner and Outer Space. Berkeley, California: North Atlantic Books. pp. 131–132. ISBN 1-55643-068-X.
22.^ O'Leary, Brian (2009). The Energy Solution Revolution. Bridger House Publishers, Inc. pp. 180–181. ISBN 978-0-9799176-4-6.
23.^ O'Leary, Brian (1989). Exploring Inner and Outer Space. Berkeley, California: North Atlantic Books. ISBN 1-55643-068-X.; O'Leary, Brian (1993). The Second Coming of Science. Berkeley, California: North Atlantic Books. ISBN 1-55643-152-X.
24.^ O'Leary, Brian (1996). Miracle in the Void. Kihei, Hawaii: Kamapua'a Press. ISBN 0-9647826-0-X.; O'Leary, Brian (2003). Re-Inheriting the Earth. self-published. ISBN 0-939040-37-9.
25.^ In 2005, O'Leary wrote the forward to Steven Greer's Hidden Truth, Forbidden Knowledge (Crossing Point, 2006, ISBN 0-9673238-2-7), which is concerned with the extraterrestrial presence on Earth and related free energy, anti-gravity and other exotic technologies.
26.^ O'Leary, B. (1990). "Analysis of images of the Face on Mars and possible intelligent origin". Journal of the British Interplanetary Society 43: 203–208. Bibcode:1990JBIS...43..203O.; O'Leary, Brian (1998). "Carl Sagan and I: On Opposite Sides of Mars". In McDaniel, Stanley V.; Paxson, Monica Rix. The Case for the Face. Adventures Unlimited Press. pp. 40–44. ISBN 0-932813-59-3.
27.^ "New Energy Movement - conference speakers". New Energy Movement. Retrieved April 12, 2012.
28.^ "Infinite Energy Magazine - Dr. Eugene F. Mallove 1947-2004". New Energy Foundation, Inc. Retrieved April 12, 2012.
29.^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3cBOq5-nZw - Project Camelot interview.
30.^ O'Leary, Brian (February 2007). "Renewable and Unconventional Energy for a Sustainable Future". brianoleary.info. Retrieved April 12, 2012.
31.^ "Montesuenos: A center for peace, sustainability, the arts and new science". Montesueños Eco-Retreat. Retrieved April 12, 2012.
32.^ O'Leary, Brian (2009). The Energy Solution Revolution. Bridger House Publishers, Inc. ISBN 978-0-9799176-4-6.
33.^ "The Turquoise Revolution" (http://www.brianoleary.info/TheTurquoiseRevolution.pdf) was the cover story for the September/October 2010 issue of Infinite Energy Magazine (http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue93/index.html).

Something you may not have known Oxy.  Brian O'Leary talked about the Patterson Power Cell.  I used to work for Jim Patterson and his Grandson Jim Reding in Sarasota, Florida.  Jim Reding died from a brain aneurysm, maybe fowl play, since he declined an offer of $10million from Motorola for the patents and technology of the Patterson Power Cell.  Also, Jim Patterson died on my birthday, February 11th 2008.  His Grandson died 9 years or so before him at the young age of 31.  He was one year younger than me.

http://www.newenergytimes.com/v2/views/Group1/Patterson.shtml

http://consciouslifenews.com/patterson-power-cell-cold-fusion-energy-clean-radioactive-waste/115725/
'COLD FUSION' BREAKTHROUGH

Have 15,000 Energy Pros in Anaheim Seen the Light of a New Era?

From: Atlantis Rising, Number 6, 1996, pp 37 and 56

By: Jeanne Manning

Copyright Atlantis Rising.

Did a clean energy era just slip into our lives, unnoticed by mainstream news cameras? Its arrival may coincide with the recent success of an unpretentious "cold fusion" device, reported to put out a thousand times more energy than it takes to run it, at the world's largest trade show for electric power producers.

(Cold fusion is the popular term for what the Japanese more accurately call New Hydrogen Energy Technology. See David Lewis' introduction to cold fusion in Atlantis Rising # 2. In 1989 Drs. Martin Fleischmann and Stanley Pons were first to claim to have produced nuclear reactions by putting palladium rods in water cells and getting excess energy out. They are now in a million-dollar laboratory in France, funded by Japanese money.)

Clean Energy Technologies Inc. (CETI) of Texas is a small company that doesn't hesitate to walk among giants of the fossil fuel and nuclear industries. CETI booked a booth at the Power-Gen '95 Americas conference in Anaheim, California, and demonstrated their breakthrough nonpolluting energy device, invented by James Patterson, Ph.D. Earlier, at fusion conferences, they proved that the Patterson "cold fusion" cell, the size of your thumb, outperforms fusion reactors the size of factories by putting out eighty times more energy, in the form of heat, than the electricity that runs it. While the Tokomaks of the megabucks world - huge donut-shaped structures pervaded by high-intensity magnetic fields - attempt fusion of atoms and are rewarded with brief bursts of less power-out-than-in accompanied by dangerous radiation, CETI's and other room-temperature "cold fusion" experiments quietly and cleanly put out more power than it takes to run them and they keep this up for weeks at a time.

[Large picture of two men holding a small device about the size of a tennis ball]

"Dr. James Patterson and CETI's Jim Reding are ready to take on the energy establishment./ Photo from "Infinite Energy" [Magazine]."

Meanwhile, as if in a parallel but outdated universe, a physics professor at the University of British Columbia sputters when I ask about cold fusion. "There is no such thing! That has been proven to be just bad science!"

In the Anaheim conference, where more than 15,000 engineers and other visitors showed up from 75 countries, foot traffic was heavy at the CETI booth. The company's most impressive demonstrations, however, took place in their hotel room for select groups. Scientists who witnessed or knew firsthand witnesses of various tests of the device at the power-generating meeting gave me varying reports on CETI's demonstrations. The most conservative report was "sixteen to one" (more output than input), and other witnesses said "one thousand times more power out than went in."

No matter which numbers we look

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at, the fact remains that a four-inch long (by one-inch in diameter) tube of metal-coated beads and ordinary water, put out a kilowatt (a thousand watts) of power in equivalent heat with only about one watt of electricity going in. Water flowed through it and out into coils of plastic tubing while an electric fan blew the room's air past the coils.

"My colleague was there and could feel the hot air coming out,' says Eugene Mallove, Ph.D., editor of "Infinite Energy" Magazine."

Why didn't the company make a bigger splash by keeping the device running day and night on the floor of the convention center? Mallove says he believes CETI came to the conference to nail down a contract with a multi-billion-annual-sales corporation, so the hotel room was the site of high-level negotiations. "They went there to give further encouragement to this very large, Fortune 500 company or maybe even Fortune 100 company in the United States." Mallove said in December that the corporation either has already, or probably will shortly, make a deal with Clean Energy Technologies to license the technology for manufacturing and production of these reactors. Who is the mysterious giant? "It is not an energy company per se. It is a very high-tech, instantly recognizable corporation."

Mallove is expected to reveal more in the next issue of "Infinite Energy", promising details on the testing of the CETI cell at the PowerGen 95 convention.

Mallove reports that CETI representatives ran their tiny cell for five hours with only about 1.4 watts going in but 1,344 watts were coming out. It was able to heat a room; in fact, the CETI crew had to call the hotel desk and have room service increase the air conditioning for the room.

"They reduced the output power at one point to about 470 watts, for safety reasons, but the input power at that point was .1 watt (one-tenth of a watt). So the ratio at that point was 4700 to one. We're talking about some gigantic ratios-for all practical purposes, no input power, and it will be shown ultimately, of course, that input power if needed at all can be generated easily thermoelectrically and just fed back. So the whole thing, for all practical purposes, is a self-sustaining unit to heat anything you want!"

This working prototype of a "cold fusion" heating unit shows more performance than glitz. "Frankly, the whole apparatus looks like a science fair project," Mallove told me. "Of course, most of the important inventions in history looked like that in their prototypes. And it wasn't designed to be a commercial heating unit; it was a demonstration unit."

It may not look like much, but if someone made multiples of the unit and put it in your basement, Mallove says, they could heat the whole house for a fraction of the cost of an electric light bulb. "In theory, if I wanted to have something like that and CETI was willing to sell units to me, they could heat this house in New Hampshire even in the bitter cold."

[Picture of the inside of a large donut-shaped metal hot fusion device.]

"Princeton's Hot Fusion project. Dinosaur?"

Is it reliable? "This is not the old days of cold fusion where you do some finicky experiment and hope and pray that it works," replies Mallove. "It works every time."

The CETI process starts very rapidly. "First, you apply a heater to it, equivalent to an automobile electric starter. You have to get it to proper temperature first. Then you remove the heater ... and the thing just goes."

But can it replace internal combustion engines? Mallove is optimistic. "Since there is no known upper limit to the pressure under which it can operate, there is every indication that fairly quickly, people will develop this for steam production. And I fully expect that in 1996 a vehicle will be powered by this process."

Mallove is of course not predicting it will be in the stores next year, but we do know researchers who want to be first to put a new-energy device into a small vehicle and drive across the country.

CETI is more interested in getting into production than getting into newspapers. The company is not returning phone calls from journalists; it is bombarded by would-be purchasers. Their marketing strategy is to sell distributors' licenses to a relatively small set of serious groups and businesses.

Paralleling the dramatic improvements in "cold fusion" are advances in magnetic motor technologies. Mallove says he strongly suspects they are closely related. I've interviewed additional scientists who speculate that "cold fusion" processes, and magnets, tap into a free energy universally present in the space around us.

For example, even though as a mainstream engineer/physicist he shuns the word overunity (meaning he is not publicly claiming more-power-output-than-input), Yasunori Takahashi from Japan is stirring up the new-energy scene with his magnetic motor. He claims to have the world's most powerful permanent magnets and is looking for business partners in the U.S. and England to produce the motor. New-energy researcher Christopher Tinsley rode a motor scooter powered by Takahashi's "Self-Generating Motor" throughout London for about a half hour and reports that the motor remained cool, which is highly unusual for a motor. Although it does need four 12-volt batteries to spin the motor up to speed for startup, a professor from London University said the motor seems to go 500 miles without fuel. New Energy News, monthly publication of the Institute for New Energy based in Salt Lake City, reports that Takahashi also invented an extremely powerful small capacitor (energy storage unit) and a Battery Doubler which promises to extend the running time of laptop computers, cellular phones and camcorders.

These are among many promising new-energy technologies emerging around the world.

Mallove sees the irony in the recent scene at Anaheim Convention Center. There were a thousand exhibitor booths, all sorts of megaproject technologies from oil, coal, gas and nuclear fission Ñ "all this stuff that's going to die completely, with this one (CETI) booth being the most important booth at the entire meeting. But you know the story. The dinosaurs did not realize their demise."

Jeane Manning is co-author of several books including "Angels Don't Play This HAARP" (distributed by Book People). Her first solo book, "The Coming Energy Revolution" will be out in spring, 1996, from Avery Publishing Group.

For anyone who wants to learn about the emerging scene, the International Association for New Science is planning a conference on new energy technologies for April 25-28, 1996 in Denver. The IANS office is in Fort Collins, Colorado, phone (970) 482-3731.

http://www.padrak.com/ine/CFARNOSIX.html



We are all connected Oxy, in ways we cannot even comprehend until the future.

Thank-you A1. I'll take a closer look at your post, later today, after I've had some sleep, but I just wanted to say that I think the List of Murdered Good Guys and Gals Throughout History -- Murdered Because of an Irresponsible Quest for Money and Power -- Would be Absolutely Sickening and Mind-Boggling. I really think that the term Purgatory Incorporated gets at the heart of what's been going on in this solar system for thousands of years. What I don't know is what Galactic and Angelic Issues might be behind the madness. Once again, I am very hesitant to throw stones. Who knows what dastardly deeds I might've done -- lifetime after lifetime. I suspect that the REAL Solar System History is Unimaginably Horrible. There are probably legitimate and illegitimate reasons why we've been lied to for thousands of years. However, I think we might need to get at the truth over the next couple of decades, if we wish to advance significantly as a Seemingly Relatively-New and Experimental Race. We Seemingly Have Great Potential and Much to Prove. I Continue to Think That We Might be on the Brink of Extinction from a Variety of Sources, and for a Variety of Reasons. We Should NOT Take Biblical-Prophecy Lightly and Flippantly. Once again, I support evolutionary-change rather than revolutionary-change. Will the 'Bad-Guys' give the 'Good-Guys' a chance to Really Screw Things Up by Trying to Make Things Better -- and then 'Save the World' from the Well-Meaning but Incompetent 'Good-Guys'??!! I am VERY Paranoid and Suspicious. I tend to think that this solar system is highly organized -- but not necessarily in a 'nice' way -- and that changing everything might be similar to performing emergency neurosurgery on an inoperable brain-tumor with a butcher for a surgeon. If I had the chance to 'change everything' I'd probably change very little. I might even appear to be a 'sellout'. Think Idealistically. Act Realistically. More Sherry Shriner!! http://www.sherrytalkradio.com/ What Would 'Brother Rich' Say??

Once again, this thread is intended to be a mental and spiritual exercise. I try to make you think, laugh, get mad, get scared, and look at a lot of different things from a lot of different angles. Take all of this seriously, but not too seriously. I am trying to help us avoid the 'Deer in the Headlights' phenomenon, in connection with all of the controversial, confusing, and conflicting material. It's a combination of a zoo and a jungle out there, and I don't think things are going to get any easier any time soon. In fact, I think things might get a lot worse, and they might not get better for a very long time. But do try to treat all of this as science fiction, which might contain some truth, and if it gets too hard to deal with, just move on to something else. A lot of my writing is speculative and intuitive, and I have not exhaustively researched the topics which I address. But I have tried to get as close to the truth as I possibly can, and I have not tried to deceive or mislead anyone. I have also not tried to make a fast buck, although judging from my dismal financial situation, I probably should have. I might write some sort of a science fiction book to try to help pay my bills. Take everything I say with a sea of salt, and with extreme discernment. Probably half of what I say is utter BS, or pure, unmitigated popycock. Consider all of this to be a grand adventure, even if it is very difficult and painful for you. We will all make it through this madness somehow.

Is the ultimate truth of our existence so disturbing that the good guys and the bad guys in all of the various factions, overt and covert, have decided throughout the millenia, that the masses must be told lies??? Are the custodians of this ultimate truth, or the biggest secret, the secret government? Has the internet broken the code, and allowed the commoners and goyim to peer within the torn veil, rent from top to bottom by unseen hands, and gaze into the face of the Shekinah without a mediator, and utter the true name of G-d? I told you things were going to get worse. Seriously, to get any real benefit from this thread, you will need to go through it repeatedly. Repetition, repetition, repetion. I haven't even internalized all of this yet. I've really just created a script for myself, but it's a little late for me to really do anything with it. I'll do my best to become articulate and presentable in connection with my editorial bias, but don't expect too much. Really.

What would Loki do? You people have no idea. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC3cWTo9ADk&feature=related I'm sorry, but I have to temper the most difficult subjects with the most indelicate comments, at least on this little website. It's just between you and me. What would Connie Chung say? What if the bulk of the Bible Story really occurred in Ancient Egypt? What if it was later modified to suit the tastes of the Raiders of the Lost Ark? I don't know that this is the case, but do seriously consider Biblical Egyptology. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mXs8E30mTw&feature=related What if the Bible Story is centered in Osiris, Isis, Ra, and Horus, in Ancient Egypt? Jordan Maxwell stated at 'Awake and Aware' that there was no Ancient Israel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvjROPfv0X4 Then he proceeded to bash the Vatican, and got himself yanked off the stage with the proverbial hook. What if Constantine and the Council of Nicea marked the point in time where history was rewritten, the 66 Books of the Bible were Canonized, and the Old World Order was officially superseded by the New World Order aka Teutonic Zionism (or the foundation of TZ anyway) aka Raiders of the Lost Ark? What if this really occurred around 700-900 A.D.? What if Atlantis, Lemuria, Babylon, Greece, and Rome revolved around Egypt? What if this were the Old World Order? What if Rome defeated Egypt in an Ancient War or Uprising of Some Sort, and became the Center of the New World Order? Perhaps Judeo-Christianity has had very little to do with Real Jews or the Teachings of Jesus. Was Jesus the Last Egyptian Pharaoh? Was Jesus at the heart of Old World Order Governance? Did Jesus become a Reincarnational Hostage of the New World Order, or did Jesus create the New World Order? Did Jesus have an idealistic plan which got hijacked? The crucifixes and the virtual rejection of the Teachings of Jesus seem to be smoking guns. Again, I don't know that this was the case, but do some serious research in this area after you stop laughing. What would Daniel Jackson say? What would Alex Collier say? What would Acharya S say? I would love to have a heart to heart talk with a roomful of Jesuit and Nazi Egyptologists on the Dark Side of the Moon regarding this topic, with the Queen of Heaven and God of This World present. "What shall we talk about?" I'm very serious, and I say this with no animosity whatsoever.

I talked with Carol Rosin about nuclear war, and I talked with Timothy Leary about Jesus, but I've never taken Lysergic Acid Diethylamide. How can one properly deal with all of the alternative and controversial stuff without turning into a nut? On the other hand, how can one become heavily involved in religion without turning into a nut? Perhaps the Backslidden Anglican Agnostics have had it right all along. BTW, I'm ending this thread (really!), and I will be spending my time looking at everyone else's threads. Tell me, Egyptologists, what is the relationship between Egypt, Persia, Rome, the Old World Order, the New World Order, the Knights Templar, and Teutonic Zionism? I see some basic patterns emerging, and it is quite startling to me. It frankly scares me. I'm becoming increasingly Egypt-Centered, but I can't really get into all of the mythologies and ceremonies, perhaps because of reincarnational issues. I'm primarily interested in Biblical Egyptology, particularly Christocentric Egyptology and Science Fiction! Are we dealing with Egypt v Rome in antiquity, and possibly presently (in a hidden sense)? Are there good Masons who know about all of the above who are at odds with evil Masons? I don't mind learning about forbidden archaeology, esoteric theology, and hidden history, but I'm not into creepy rituals, human sacrifices, terrorism, assassinations, starting wars and profitting from them, planning exterminations, rigging the stock market, selling illegal drugs, corrupting elections, etc, etc. Do you see what I mean? I was recently invited to become a Mason, but I declined because of all of the creepy things that I've heard about. But I really do think that the higher level Masons know a helluva lot. You'd almost have to hang out with reformed bad-guys to really find out what's what. That's one reason why I don't shut my ears to those who are accused of being connected with the Masons, the Jesuits, or some secret society. But really, I don't want to get too close to this stuff, for fear of being sucked into the dark-side, if you know what I mean...

I mostly want to resolve things, and move on. Is my concept of a Theocratically-Implemented, Responsibility-Based, United States of the Solar System still a valid idea if most of the previous paragraphs are true? Which system would Michael/Horus/Jesus desire? What about God the Father? Should I really be so passionate about having everyone make-it, or do some people really deserve to die, in an eschatological and eternal sense? The more I thrash around, unassisted, the angrier I get. I know there are those who could easily tell me the truth, yet they refuse to do so. Why does this have to be a game? Probably because the truth is too horrible. This is my assumption, given the lack of cooperation and communication. Watching me thrash around on the internet is probably easier than watching me go completely insane on national television. If our positions were reversed, I'd probably do the same thing to you guys and gals. I'm just really tired of being an Uppity Lab Rat. Also, if you are going to spy on me, stop making my computer slower than growing grass, with that fancy back-door bs. Egypt v Rome? Old World Order v New World Order? Incoming-Annunaki v Local-Annunaki? Is there such a thing as Semetic-Zionism, or is there really only Teutonic-Zionism? Egyptian-Zionism v Roman-Zionsim? Pharaohs>Emperors>Popes? Interesting and inflammatory questions, but I have no idea what the answers are. Once again, would a Theocratically-Implemented, Responsibility-Based, United States of the Solar System incorporate the best aspects of the Old and New World Orders, and preside over a Brave New Solar System? Is this a political and religious milestone, or is this an utter absurdity? Again, I'm not difficult to deal with, and I would love to hear a representative sampling of viewpoints from around the solar system. This is all about idealistic governance, rather than arbitrary and egotestical (get it?) domination. This whole thing is so potentially volatile, especially if we are dealing with planet-busting WMD's, and desperate deities. Once again, we might have a helluva lot more to worry about than the Queen, the Pope, the Rothschilds, the Bilderbergers, and the Rockefellers. If it were just these people, this thing would be easy. The scary thing is that the further I go down the rabbit hole, or snake hole, the more at home I feel! Isn't this strange? And I'm not even telling you my strangest thoughts... 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3A6_blpqpU 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b365_qJEpDg 3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyKy8_sF4xY 4. http://www.nbc.com/the-event/video/arrival/1329374 I had more to say, but my computer is barely functioning, no one seems to be interested in what I have to say, and I guess I don't really trust anyone anyway. This internet adventure has taught me to research a lot more, and say a lot less. I obviously haven't been able to walk the walk, but I'm working on it. Someone once told me to fight on the inside, rather than on the outside, and to improvise on the pipe-organ. Interesting. One 'last' thing. What if the Final Judgment of the World 'ends' up being a Vala Mal Doran? Namaste and Have a Nice Day!

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The spotless Son of God hung upon the cross, His flesh lacerated with stripes; those hands so often reached out in blessing, nailed to the wooden bars; those feet so tireless on ministries of love, spiked to the tree; that royal head pierced by the crown of thorns; those quivering lips shaped to the cry of woe. And all that He endured--the blood drops that flowed from His head, His hands, His feet, the agony that racked His frame, and the unutterable anguish that filled His soul at the hiding of His Father's face--speaks to each child of humanity, declaring, It is for thee that the Son of God consents to bear this burden of guilt; for thee He spoils the domain of death, and opens the gates of Paradise. He who stilled the angry waves and walked the foam-capped billows, who made devils tremble and disease flee, who opened blind eyes and called forth the dead to life,--offers Himself upon the cross as a sacrifice, and this from love to thee. He, the Sin Bearer, endures the wrath of divine justice, and for thy sake becomes sin itself. In silence the beholders watched for the end of the fearful scene. The sun shone forth; but the cross was still enveloped in darkness. Priests and rulers looked toward Jerusalem; and lo, the dense cloud had settled over the city and the plains of Judea. The Sun of Righteousness, the Light of the world, was withdrawing His beams from the once favored city of Jerusalem. The fierce lightnings of God's wrath were directed against the fated city. Suddenly the gloom lifted from the cross, and in clear, trumpetlike tones, that seemed to resound throughout creation, Jesus cried, "It is finished." "Father, into Thy hands I commend My spirit." A light encircled the cross, and the face of the Saviour shone with a glory like the sun. He then bowed His head upon His breast, and died. Amid the awful darkness, apparently forsaken of God, Christ had drained the last dregs in the cup of human woe. In those dreadful hours He had relied upon the evidence of His Father's acceptance heretofore given Him. He was acquainted with the character of His Father; He understood His justice, His mercy, and His great love. By faith He rested in Him whom it had ever been His joy to obey. And as in submission He committed Himself to God, the sense of the loss of His Father's favor was withdrawn. By faith, Christ was victor.

Never before had the earth witnessed such a scene. The multitude stood paralyzed, and with bated breath gazed upon the Saviour. Again darkness settled upon the earth, and a hoarse rumbling, like heavy thunder, was heard. There was a violent earthquake. The people were shaken together in heaps. The wildest confusion and consternation ensued. In the surrounding mountains, rocks were rent asunder, and went crashing down into the plains. Sepulchers were broken open, and the dead were cast out of their tombs. Creation seemed to be shivering to atoms. Priests, rulers, soldiers, executioners, and people, mute with terror, lay prostrate upon the ground. When the loud cry, "It is finished," came from the lips of Christ, the priests were officiating in the temple. It was the hour of the evening sacrifice. The lamb representing Christ had been brought to be slain. Clothed in his significant and beautiful dress, the priest stood with lifted knife, as did Abraham when he was about to slay his son. With intense interest the people were looking on. But the earth trembles and quakes; for the Lord Himself draws near. With a rending noise the inner veil of the temple is torn from top to bottom by an unseen hand, throwing open to the gaze of the multitude a place once filled with the presence of God. In this place the Shekinah had dwelt. Here God had manifested His glory above the mercy seat. No one but the high priest ever lifted the veil separating this apartment from the rest of the temple. He entered in once a year to make an atonement for the sins of the people. But lo, this veil is rent in twain. The most holy place of the earthly sanctuary is no longer sacred. All is terror and confusion. The priest is about to slay the victim; but the knife drops from his nerveless hand, and the lamb escapes. Type has met antitype in the death of God's Son. The great sacrifice has been made. The way into the holiest is laid open. A new and living way is prepared for all. No longer need sinful, sorrowing humanity await the coming of the high priest. Henceforth the Saviour was to officiate as priest and advocate in the heaven of heavens. It was as if a living voice had spoken to the worshipers: There is now an end to all sacrifices and offerings for sin. The Son of God is come according to His word, "Lo, I come (in the volume of the Book it is written of Me,) to do Thy will, O God." "By His own blood" He entereth "in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us." Heb. 10:7; 9:12. --- Desire of Ages, pgs. 755-757, by Ellen Gould White

Jenetta wrote:Orthodoxy have you ever considered putting all this material from this thread into a book?  Happened to read the Lacerta files on this Thread (do you have the material in another post as well?) and find the material quite fascinating as I am interested in the evolution of mankind our species. I do believe that you are a genius who very few are taking seriously.  Keep up the good work.
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Vincit Omnia Veritas

I need to raise some tax-cash fairly quickly, to save my house, so I am interested in putting something together for publication, using this thread. I wish to remain anonymous, so if anyone knows anyone in publishing who might be interested, please PM me. I'm timid and paranoid, because of the controversial subject matter, so I'd really like to remain incognito with a pseudonym, and with all tracks well covered. There would have to be some sort of insider involvement, because I don't know how accurate I have been, or how potentially problematic some of my thoughts might be, if more than a dozen people read them. This thread has really been 'in house'. Also, it might be cool if insider types could answer some of the questions I've asked as a part of the potential publication. An interview with the Queen of Heaven and God of This World might be cool! They could just interject their answers and comments into a refined and well-edited manuscript. The book might involve a pictorial tour of the solar system, including some of the secret stuff. Just a thought. I'll pledge 50% of any profits to a worthy charity, such as A.D.R.A. I need help with things like pictures and copyright issues. I will continue rewriting the thread, and I might possibly put it into novel form. I will self-publish if I have to, and I probably will have to. I continue to wish to resolve things, rather than creating more problems, so I really am receptive to working with 'the man'. The reality-checking, spell-checking, selecting, editing, packaging, marketing, and those interviewed, would make all the difference in the world. I think there is a basic style, contextual superimposition, and editorial slant, which might make all of this madness of interest to someone. I might even buy five copies for my mother to drive up the numbers. This paragraph is sort of dumb and out of place, but I'm sort of desperate. I won't mention this again, and I think this might be an excellent way to end this thread. Thanks in advance! My mailbox continues to be empty regarding this request, and this doesn't surprise me. I was once rejected by Harper and Rowe, and I just walked away from writing because of that negative experience. That happened a long time ago. One problem with a book, is that it sort of locks a person into a certain perspective. Also, I rely heavily upon links, quoted material, forum member comments, pictures, and paintings - and these things cannot be contained between the covers of a book. Unfortunately, very few people subject themselves to my tripe, and I don't get paid for doing this! My tripe is an acquired-taste! Nuff said!

I just wanted to add that I think that academic and liturgical discipline are excellent exercises, when properly engaged in. I don't presently attend church services, but I do anticipate doing so at some point, but I'm not sure where. Who knows? I might even start a church! I've thought about that for a very long time. Who knows? It might consist of nothing but sacred classical music combined with the very best of contemporary sacred music, with processions, but with very little standing, sitting, bending, and nodding -- and certainly with no sacrifice or meat-eating (symbolic or literal, human or otherwise, as I'm a Liturgical Vegetarian). I continue to appreciate the community, reverence, and beauty of the Mass (Latin or otherwise), but the sacrificial and theological issues continue to be a problem for me. I have enjoyed serivices at Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa, with Chuck Smith. Crystal Cathedral, with Robert Schuller and Norman Vincent Peale. Hollywood Presbyterian, with Lloyd John Oglivie. The Vineyard, with John Wimber, a Jerry Falwell rally, SDA services with HMS Richards, Morris Venden, Louis Venden, Lloyd Wyman, Arthur Beitz, George Vandeman, Desmond Ford, et al, Masses at St. Mary's Roman Catholic Cathedral, Eucharists at Grace Episcopal Cathedral, services at Hollywood United Methodist, a Jewish Sedar in Hollywood, a Pentecostal Revival with David Paul, services at First Congregational, Los Angeles, services at Rancho Capastrano, with Robert A. Schuller, services at Fullerton Evangelical Free Church with Charles Swindoll, a service at Bel-Air Presbyterian with Donn Moomaw, classes with Walter Martin, etc, and et al. Everyone has their charm and joy. I have participated in services extensively, in bands, choirs, as an organist, and as a vocal soloist (even acapella). But presently, my crisis of faith is profound and devastating, and I don't see a light at the end of the tunnel. I am walking a path that I don't necessarily want a lot of people to walk with me. Some, yes. Most, no. Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, and down the rabbit-hole, I will fear no Jesuit or Alphabet-Agent, even though I am on the Red-List, for I am a completely ignorant fool. For the present, I will continue to research various subjects to the tune of sacred classical and contemporary music. I don't formally pray, but I try to maintain an attitude of prayer 24/7. Again, I'm not attempting to lead, and I don't expect anyone to follow, although all are welcome. My various internet postings are intended as study guides and mental and spiritual exercises.

I reverence the Creator God of the Universe and the Divinity Within Humanity, but I am very wary of the Ultimate Political and Religious Leadership in This Solar System, Throughout Recorded History. I suspect minor deities, gods, and goddesses engaging in various and sundry power struggles, some of which might've involved massive planetary destruction and mass murder. So, really, I'm not a happy camper right now, and I don't expect to be one anytime soon. I am convinced that the entire solar system could be converted into one big asteroid-belt in a matter of minutes, which is why I have been examining various modalities and reforms of solar system governance. I actually think we've been on the brink for at least a hundred years. We seem to be living on borrowed time. Despite the Leary LSD connection, I wish that I had gotten better acquainted with Carol Rosin, and gotten better acquainted with the WMD situation throughout the solar system. She seemed to be very passionate against the weaponization of space. I just wish I knew how hostile the rest of the universe really is. If we are the only violent jerks in the universe, I might be in favor of some sort of disarmament, or at least the proper centralized supervision of the WMD's. Again, it seems that we could cease to exist in a matter of minutes, and what I really worry about is whether or not there are weapons which can destroy all traces of the soul, resulting in the complete and permanent annihilation of a being (human or otherwise). Remember the words of Jesus regarding the destruction of the soul? This solar system seems to be in an extremely dangerous and out of control emergency situation. But would a well-intentioned Theocratically-Implemented, Responsibility-Based, United States of the Solar System, which existed in harmony with the Genuinely Benevolent Beings of the Universe, really be the Road to Utopia -- or would it ultimately be the Highway to Hell? Is this Experiment in Male and Female Human Physicality and Responsible Freedom really a failed-experiment which is past the point of no return? Or was this experiment doomed from the beginning by an original and unpardonable sin? I have my theories, but I don't know much of anything for certain. I just keep feeling as if Sol is S.O.L. I Love All of You, and I Wish Things Had Turned Out Better for All of Us. Namaste and Godspeed.


There's no escaping it. I will need to continue this thread -- for better or worse -- I know not which. I will view a lot of other material, including other threads on this site, but I will bring everything I learn back into this thread. The concept of a Theocratically-Implemented, Responsibility-Based, United States of the Solar System is virtually my politics and religion, at this point anyway. I remain open to all views, regardless of how ridiculous they might seem to be. But, as of this moment, I am not at war with anyone, even though some probably think that I should be. Who knows? I might start fighting, at some point, but I don't feel particularly inclined to do so. Even when I cite detrimental information about various individuals and groups, I feel no animosity. I'm merely attempting to understand.

This is an amazing interview. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVwKKsvtdag&feature=player_embedded All roads really do lead to Rome, and I continue to think that everything we discuss should be viewed from the Roman context. I continue to imagine myself as being a well-connected Renegade French Jesuit Organist. I continue to love the artistic aspects of Rome, but the history, theology, and politics are horrible, and I'm sure that most upper-level and well-informed Roman Catholics know this, but they have a Dragon by the Tail, and they are probably terrified of what might happen if they let go. As the general public finds out about all of this, things could get very, very nasty. I'm interested in this area of research, but it scares the hell out of me. I'm trying to be open and fair in all of this, and I'm trying to look at both the positives and negatives in all of this. All roads lead to Rome, but where did all of these roads originate?

Consider once again, the work of William Bramley, especially his pioneering book 'The God's of Eden'. I like his attitude and approach. I learned about him from Alex Collier, in his 1994 interview with Rick Keefe. One of the things which trouble me greatly is the corruptibility of individuals and institutions. Not just that it can be accomplished, but how easily the deed is done. Many sell-out at fire-sale prices. Even my idealistic proposals could be infiltrated and subverted, and possibly quite easily. Seemingly, even the best of us can be corrupted and degraded. I'm frankly seeing endless corruption and conflict, going forward for thousands of years. Perhaps my concept of a United States of the Solar System would merely prevent us from being exterminated, or exterminating ourselves. It might not re-create the Garden of Eden, or be the Road to Utopia. It might just be a band-aid fix, rather than really addressing the deeper issues, some of which might be galactic, universal, and theological in nature...

She sounds better than my Harmonica Playing.

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Thank-you A1. The music-video and harmonica-playing were both cool! Do we ultimately end-up with 1. Idealistic Artists and Visionaries? 2. Mad Scientists? 3. Power-Hungry Bankers, Clergy, Politicians, and Warriors? In Iron Sky we had the foxy and idealistic Renate Richter with her mad-scientist father, combined with the power-hungry brute Klaus Adler. "Heil Adler!!" Could Renate be the equivalent of Isis, Cleopatra, Mary, and a 'Good-Anna'??!! Think about it!! Is there an Isis, Cleopatra, Mary, and 'Good-Anna' version of the Babylonian-Persian-Egyptian-Greek-Roman Empire and Church??!! Think about it!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxroiTRg7Tg Note that I include both light and dark material on this thread to challenge us on many levels. This is Galactic Boot-Camp -- Remember??!! What if I turned out to be a lot like Renate (Foxy-Nazi) and Her Father (Mini-Mengele) -- in previous lives??!! Very little would shock me or surprise me at this point. I'm hoping for the best -- and preparing for the worst. 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUB_Qoi30Js 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrpkDnZ5y-8 3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ADU5Qlc6pU I am very straight-laced -- yet I might place myself in hostile and unsavory contexts to test myself and others. I realize that sounds hypocritical and dangerous -- but that is the price of being fair and open-minded. Truth can afford to be fair.
Here is another study-list consisting of the Torah, the Wisdom-Books, the Major-Prophets, and the Gospels (with key-books in bold-print):

1. Genesis.
2. Exodus.
3. Leviticus.
4. Numbers.
5. Deuteronomy.
6. Job.
7. Psalms.
8. Proverbs.
9. Ecclesiastes.
10. Song of Solomon.
11. Isaiah.
12. Jeremiah.
13. Lamentations.
14. Ezekiel.
15. Daniel.
16. Matthew.
17. Mark.
18. Luke.
19. John.
20. Acts (as an extension of Luke).

What if the first five books of the New Testament (especially the Red-Letter Teachings Attributed to Jesus) were somehow considered to be part of the Old Testament? Do the Moral-Teachings of the above list really work in modernity?? What Would the Best and Brightest Contemporary Scholars Say?? What if Romans through Revelation (or Acts through Revelation) were considered the New Testament?? I have huge problems with a lot of the Old Testament Events -- yet I love the writing-style and moral-teachings. What's going-on here?? Paul is highly articulate and profound -- yet he seems to move in a completely new direction. Hebrews through Jude seem to echo a lot of what Jesus taught. Revelation is completely different than the rest of the Bible -- and if someone came up with something like that today -- they would probably be considered insane. What's really going-on here?? Peale and Schuller made a lot of sense -- yet they avoided the difficult historical issues. They mostly accentuated the positive -- without positively-reinforcing Sacred-Scripture -- as mostly Lone-Rangers. Some find Peale appalling and Paul appealing!! Peter was supposedly the First Pope -- yet Paul steals the show!! What's really going-on here?? What if the Wisdom-Books of the Old-Testament (Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, and Song of Solomon) were considered Fundamentally-Foundational?? I continue to lean toward the idea that we live in a Rough and Tumble Universe which is really Quite Harsh -- and that this solar system is sort of a Renegade Experimental Genetic and Social Laboratory -- with red-lights flashing, and alarms sounding, throughout the universe. I get the distinct feeling that the rest of the universe is NOT impressed or amused. What's really going-on here?? What if the Teachings of All 66 Canonical Books of the Bible were isolated into a Book of Biblical Teachings?? But what if the Blood, Guts, Sacrifices, Fighting, and Mass-Murder are all necessary to guide our lives in modernity?? Why do we sanctimoniously condemn the Roman Catholic Church, the Nazis, and the Communists (among others) for all of the Murder and Torture -- when the Bible is Full of Murder and Torture (with God and the Angels right in the middle of it)??!! What the hell is going-on here??!! I attempted to paraphrase the Gospels -- but it wasn't good enough for Harper and Rowe. What Would Bartleby and Loki Say?? Consider the Books of the Bible. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Books_of_the_Bible (Note: It is really necessary to view the link because of the charts which do not appear below.)

Different religious groups include different books in their Biblical canons, in varying orders, and sometimes divide or combine books, or incorporate additional material into canonical books. Christian Bibles range from the sixty-six books of the Protestant canon to the eighty-one books of the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church canon.

The Hebrew Bible, or Tanakh, contains twenty-four books divided into three parts; the five books of the Torah ("teaching" or "law"), the Nevi'im ("prophets"), and the Ketuvim ("writings"). The first part of Christian Bibles is the Old Testament, which contains, at minimum, the twenty-four books of the Hebrew Bible divided into thirty-nine books and ordered differently from the Hebrew Bible. The Catholic Church and Eastern Christian churches also hold certain deuterocanonical books and passages to be part of the Old Testament canon. The second part is the New Testament, containing twenty-seven books; the four Canonical gospels, Acts of the Apostles, twenty-one Epistles or letters and the Book of Revelation.

The Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox and Eastern Catholic churches may have minor differences in their lists of accepted books. The list given here for these churches is the most inclusive: if at least one Eastern church accepts the book it is included here.

Hebrew Bible/Old Testament

See also: Development of the Hebrew Bible canon and Hebrew Bible

Rabbinic Judaism recognizes the 24 books of the Masoretic Text, commonly called the Tanakh or Hebrew Bible, as authoritative. Evidence suggests that the process of canonization occurred between 200 BCE and 200 CE. A popular former theory is that the Torah was canonized c. 400 BCE, the Prophets c. 200 BCE, and the Writings c. 100 CE,[1] perhaps at a hypothetical Council of Jamnia, but this position is increasingly rejected by most modern scholars.

Christian Old Testament

The books of the Old Testament, showing their positions in both the Tanakh (Hebrew Bible, shown with their names in Hebrew) and Christian Bibles. The Deuterocanon or Apocrypha are colored differently from the Protocanon (the Hebrew Bible books which are considered canonical by all).
Main articles: Development of the Old Testament canon and Christian biblical canons

Protestants and Catholics[2] use the Masoretic Text as the textual basis for their translations of the protocanonical books (those which are accepted as canonical by both Jews and all Christians), with various changes derived from a multiplicity of other ancient sources (such as the Septuagint, the Vulgate, the Dead Sea Scrolls, etc.), while generally using the Septuagint and Vulgate, now supplemented by the ancient Hebrew and Aramaic manuscripts, as the textual basis for the deuterocanonical books.

The Eastern Orthodox use the Septuagint as the textual basis for the entire Old Testament, in books both protocanonical and deuteroncanonical, to be used both in the Greek for liturgical purposes, and as the basis for translations into the vernacular.[3][4] Most of the quotations (300 of 400) of the Old Testament in the New Testament, while differing more or less from the version presented by the Masoretic text, align with that of the Septuagint.[5]

Intertestamental books

See also: Biblical apocrypha, Pseudepigraph, and Antilegomena

The intertestamental books, largely written during the intertestamental period, are called the Biblical apocrypha ("hidden things") by Protestants, the deuterocanon ("second canon") by Catholics, and the deuterocanon or anagignoskomena ("worthy of reading") by Orthodox. These are works recognized by the Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Oriental Orthodox Churches as being part of scripture (and thus deuterocanonical rather than apocryphal), but Protestants do not recognize them as divinely inspired. Many other Christians recognize them as good, but not on the level of the other books of the Bible. Anglicanism considers the apocrypha to be "read for example of life" but not used "to establish any doctrine".[6] Luther made a parallel statement in calling them: "not considered equal to the Holy Scriptures, but are useful and good to read."[7]

The difference in canons derives from the difference in the Masoretic Text and the Septuagint. Books found in both the Hebrew and the Greek are accepted by all denominations, and by Jews, these are the protocanonical books. Catholics and Orthodox also accept those books present in manuscripts of the Septuagint, an ancient Greek translation of the Old Testament with great currency among the Jews of the ancient world, with the coda that Catholics consider 3 Esdras and 3 Maccabees apocryphal.

Most quotations of the Old Testament in the New Testament, differing by varying degrees from the Masoretic Text, are taken from the Septuagint. When the Jews closed the Old Testament canon, two criteria were used, that the book be written in Hebrew or Aramaic, and that it be no younger than the time of Ezra. This process led to the 24/39 books of the Tanakh and Old Testament (even though Daniel was written several hundred years after the time of Ezra, and since that time several books of the Septuagint have been found in the original Hebrew, in the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Cairo Geniza, and at Masada, including a Hebrew text of Sirach (Qumran, Masada) and an Aramaic text of Tobit (Qumran); the additions to Esther and Daniel are also in their respective Semitic languages. The unanimous consensus of modern (and ancient) scholars consider several other books, including 1 Maccabees and Judith, to have been composed in Hebrew or Aramaic. Opinion is divided on the book of Baruch, while it is acknowledged that the Epistle of Jeremiah, the Wisdom of Solomon, and 2 Maccabees are originally Greek compositions.

1 Esdras/3 Esdras
2 Esdras/4 Esdras[8]
Tobit
Judith
Additions to Esther
Wisdom of Solomon
Ecclesiasticus (Sirach)
Baruch with the Letter of Jeremiah
Song of the Three Young Men and Prayer of Azariah[9]
Story of Susanna[9]
Bel and the Dragon[9]
Prayer of Manasseh
1 Maccabees
2 Maccabees

Additional books accepted by the Eastern Orthodox:

3 Esdras
4 Esdras (in an appendix to the Slavonic Bible)
3 Maccabees
4 Maccabees (in an appendix to the Greek Bible)
Psalm 151 (in the Septuagint)

Additional books accepted by the Syrian Orthodox (due to inclusion in the Peshitta):

2 Baruch with the Letter of Baruch (only the letter has achieved canonical status)
Psalms 152-155 (not canonical)

The Ethiopian Tewahedo church accepts all of the deuterocanonical books of Catholicism and anagignoskomena of Eastern Orthodoxy except for the four Books of Maccabees.[10] It accepts the 24/39 books of the Masoretic Text along with the following books, called the "narrow canon".[11] The enumeration of books in the Ethiopic Bible varies greatly between different authorities and printings.[12]

4 Baruch or the Paralipomena of Jeremiah
1 Enoch
Jubilees
1 Meqabyan
2 Meqabyan
3 Meqabyan
The Ethiopian broader Biblical Canon

Table

The table uses the spellings and names present in modern editions of the Bible, such as the New American Bible Revised Edition, Revised Standard Version and English Standard Version. The spelling and names in both the 1609–1610 Douay Old Testament (and in the 1582 Rheims New Testament) and the 1749 revision by Bishop Challoner (the edition currently in print used by many Catholics, and the source of traditional Catholic spellings in English) and in the Septuagint differ from those spellings and names used in modern editions which are derived from the Hebrew Masoretic text.[13]

For the Orthodox canon, Septuagint titles are provided in parentheses when these differ from those editions. For the Catholic canon, the Douaic titles are provided in parentheses when these differ from those editions. Likewise, the King James Version references some of these books by the traditional spelling when referring to them in the New Testament, such as "Esaias" (for Isaiah). In the spirit of ecumenism more recent Catholic translations (e.g. the New American Bible, Jerusalem Bible, and ecumenical translations used by Catholics, such as the Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition) use the same "standardized" (King James Version) spellings and names as Protestant Bibles (e.g. 1 Chronicles as opposed to the Douaic 1 Paralipomenon, 1-2 Samuel and 1-2 Kings instead of 1-4 Kings) in those books which are universally considered canonical, the protocanonicals. The Talmud in Bava Batra 14b gives a different order for the books in Nevi'im and Ketuvim. This order is also quoted in Mishneh Torah Hilchot Sefer Torah 7:15. The order of the books of the Torah are universal through all denominations of Judaism and Christianity.

The disputed books, included in one canon but not in others, are often called the Biblical apocrypha, a term that is sometimes used specifically to describe the books in the Catholic and Orthodox canons that are absent from the Jewish Masoretic Text and most modern Protestant Bibles. Catholics, following the Canon of Trent (1546), describe these books as deuterocanonical, while Greek Orthodox Christians, following the Synod of Jerusalem (1672), use the traditional name of anagignoskomena, meaning "that which is to be read." They are present in a few historic Protestant versions; the German Luther Bible included such books, as did the English 1611 King James Version.[6]

Empty table cells indicate that a book is absent from that canon.

Tanakh
(Jewish Bible)
(24 books)[14]
Books in bold are part of the Ketuvim

Protestant
Old Testament
(39 books)

Catholic
Old Testament
(46 books)

Eastern Orthodox
Old Testament
(51 books)

New Testament

See also: Christian biblical canons, Development of the New Testament canon, New Testament apocrypha, and Template:Books of the New Testament

In general, among Christian denominations, the New Testament canon is an agreed-upon list of 27 books, although book order can vary. The book order is the same in the Greek Orthodox, Roman Catholic, and Protestant tradition.[N 1] The Slavonic, Armenian and Ethiopian traditions have different New Testament book orders.

Chart notes

1.^ a b c d e f Four New Testament works were questioned or "spoken against" by Martin Luther, and he changed the order of his New Testament to reflect this, but he did not leave them out, nor has any Lutheran body since. Traditional German "Luther Bibles" are still printed with the New Testament in this changed "Luther Bible" order.
2.^ a b c d e f The Peshitta, the traditional Syriac Bible, excludes 2 Peter, 2–3 John, Jude, and Revelation, but Bibles of the modern Syriac Orthodox Church include later translations of those books. Still today the lectionary followed by the Syrian Orthodox Church, present lessons from only the twenty-two books of Peshitta.
3.^ See Rabbinical translations of Matthew. Most modern scholars consider the Gospel of Matthew to have been composed in Koine Greek, see Language of the New Testament. According to tradition as expressed by Papias of Hierapolis, writing in the late first or early second centuries, the Gospel was originally composed in the "Hebrew dialect" (which at the time was largely the related Aramaic) and then translated into Greek (Eusebius, "Ecclesiastical History", 3.39.15-16; Epiphanius of Salamis, Panarion 30:3). According to Jerome, Hebrew manuscripts of Matthew were extant while he was translating the Vulgate: "Matthew ... composed a gospel of Christ at first published in Judea in Hebrew for the sake of those of the circumcision who believed, but this was afterwards translated into Greek though by what author is uncertain. The Hebrew itself has been preserved until the present day in the library at Caesarea which Pamphilus so diligently gathered (St Jerome, "On Illustrious Men", Chapter 3).

Notes

1.^ McDonald & Sanders, page 4
2.^ "Liturgiam Authenticam" (in Latin and English.). Vatican City. 7 May 2001. Retrieved 18 January 2012. "Canon 24. 'Furthermore, it is not permissible that the translations be produced from other translations already made into other languages; rather, the new translations must be made directly from the original texts, namely ... the Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek, as the case may be, as regards the texts of Sacred Scripture.'"
3.^ Ware, Timothy (1993). The Orthodox Church: New Edition. Penguin Books. p. 368. ISBN 978-0-14-014656-1.
4.^ "Introduction". Orthodox Study Bible (Annotated ed.). Nashville, TN, USA: Thomas Nelson. 2008. p. 1824. ISBN 978-0-7180-0359-3.
5.^ McLay, R. Timothy (2004). The Use of the Septuagint in New Testament Research. Wm. B. Eerdman's. p. 222. ISBN 978-0-8028-6091-0.
6.^ a b The foundational Thirty-Nine Articles of Anglicanism, in Article VI, asserts that these disputed books are not (to be) used "to establish any doctrine," but "read for example of life." Although the Biblical apocrypha are still used in Anglican Liturgy, ("Two of the hymns used in the American Prayer Book office of Morning Prayer, the Benedictus es and Benedicite, are taken from the Apocrypha. One of the offertory sentences in Holy Communion comes from an apocryphal book (Tob. 4: 8-9). Lessons from the Apocrypha are regularly appointed to be read in the daily, Sunday, and special services of Morning and Evening Prayer. There are altogether 111 such lessons in the latest revised American Prayer Book Lectionary [The books used are: II Esdras, Tobit, Wisdom, Ecclesiasticus, Baruch, Three Holy Children, and I Maccabees.]" —The Apocrypha, Bridge of the Testaments), the modern trend has been to not even print the Old Testament apocrypha in editions of Anglican-used Bibles.
7.^ The Popular and Critical Bible Encyclopædia and Scriptural Dictionary, Fully Defining and Explaining All Religious Terms, Including Biographical, Geographical, Historical, Archæological and Doctrinal Themes, p.521, edited by Samuel Fallows et al., The Howard-Severance company, 1901,1910. - Google Books
8.^ Including what is known as 5 Ezra (ch. 1-2) and 6 Ezra (ch. 15-16); only chapters 3-14 are denoted 4 Ezra proper in critical editions; the full book of 16 chapters is often printed as one work, "2 Esdras" or "4 Esdras", in popular editions. See Wikipedia's article on the naming conventions of all of the Books of Ezra (and Nehemiah). The naming conventions of the various deuterocanonical and apocryphal Books of Ezra/Esdras are different in every tradition (Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, Roman Catholic, Byzantine Catholic, Protestant). Critical editions generally have settled on the Vulgate naming conventions, where Ezra and Nehemiah were 1 and 2 Esdras, Esdras A is 3 Esdras, and the Latin Apocalypse of Ezra is 4 Esdras (Charlesworth's Old Testament Pseudepigrapha).
9.^ a b c Prayer of Azariah, Bel, and Susanna are often enumerated as one book, "Additions to Daniel"
10.^ According to some enumerations, including Ecclesiasticus, Judith, Tobit, 1 Esdras, 4 Ezra (not including chs. 1-2 or 15-16), Wisdom, the rest of Daniel, Baruch, and 1-2 Maccabees
11.^ These books are accounted pseudepigrapha by all other Christian groups, Protestant, Catholic, and Orthodox (Charlesworth's Old Testament Pseudepigrapha, Introduction)
12.^ "The Biblical Canon Of The Ethiopian Orthodox Church Today". Islamic-awareness.org. Retrieved 2012-08-14.
13.^ Generally due to derivation from transliterations of names used in the Latin Vulgate in the case of Catholicism, and from transliterations of the Greek Septuagint in the case of the Orthodox (as opposed to derivation of translations, instead of transliterations, of Hebrew titles) such Ecclesiasticus (DRC) instead of Sirach (LXX) or Ben Sira (Hebrew), Paralipomenon (Greek, meaning "things omitted") instead of Chronicles, Sophonias instead of Zephaniah, Noe instead of Noah, Henoch instead of Enoch, Messias instead of Messiah, Sion instead of Zion, etc.
14.^ The 24 books of the Hebrew Bible are the same as the 39 books of the Protestant Old Testament, only divided and ordered differently: the books of the Minor Prophets are in Christian Bibles twelve different books, and in Hebrew Bibles, one book called "The Twelve". Likewise, Christian Bibles divide the Books of Kingdoms into four books, either 1-2 Samuel and 1-2 Kings or 1-4 Kings: Jewish Bibles divide these into two books. The Jews likewise keep 1-2 Chronicles/Paralipomenon as one book. Ezra and Nehemiah are likewise combined in the Jewish Bible, as they are in many Orthodox Bibles, instead of divided into two books, as per the Catholic and Protestant tradition.
15.^ a b c d e f g h i j k This book is part of the Ketuvim, the third section of the Jewish canon. They have a different order in Jewish canon than in Christian canon.
16.^ a b c d The books of Samuel and Kings are often called First through Fourth Kings in the Catholic tradition, much like the Orthodox.
17.^ a b c d e f Names in parentheses are the Septuagint names and are often used by the Orthodox Christians.
18.^ a b Some Eastern Orthodox churches follow the Septuagint and the Hebrew bibles by considering the books of Ezra and Nehemiah as one book.
19.^ a b The Catholic and Orthodox Book of Esther includes 103 verses not in the Protestant Book of Esther.
20.^ a b The Latin Vulgate, Douay-Rheims, and Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition place First and Second Maccabees after Malachi; other Catholic translations place them after Esther.
21.^ In Greek Bibles, 4 Maccabees is found in the appendix.
22.^ Eastern Orthodox churches include Psalm 151 and the Prayer of Manasseh, not present in all canons.
23.^ a b In Catholic Bibles, Baruch includes a sixth chapter called the Letter of Jeremiah. Baruch is not in the Protestant Bible or the Tanakh.
24.^ Britannica 1911
25.^ Eastern Orthodox Bibles have the books of Baruch and the Letter of Jeremiah separate.
26.^ Hebrew (minority view); see Letter of Jeremiah for details.
27.^ a b In Catholic and Orthodox Bibles, Daniel includes three sections not included in Protestant Bibles. The Prayer of Azariah and Song of the Three Holy Children are included between Daniel 3:23-24. Susanna is included as Daniel 13. Bel and the Dragon is included as Daniel 14. These are not in the Protestant Old Testament.
28.^ Eusebius, Ecclesiastical History, Book 3, Chapter 39.15-16
29.^ Hieronymous (St Jerome), Eusebius Sophronius (1999). On Illustrious Men (Fathers of the Church). Catholic University of America Press. p. 200. ISBN 978-0-8132-0100-9.
30.^ Philip Schaff (editors), Church Fathers; Alexander Roberts, James Donaldson (1994). The Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers. Series II, Volume VI: Jerome, Letters and Select Works. Hendrickson. p. 8000. ISBN 978-1-56563-116-8.
31.^ Contemporary scholars believe the Hebrews to have been written in Greek, though a minority believe it was originally written in Hebrew, then translated into Greek by Luke. See Wikipedia's New Testament article.
Consider this Old Testament Approach (with one token New Testament book)!!

1. Deuteronomy.
2. Job.
3. Psalms.
4. Proverbs.
5. Ecclesiastes.
6. Song of Solomon.
7. Isaiah.
8. Jeremiah.
9. Lamentations.
10. Ezekiel.
11. Daniel.
12. Matthew.

What if Deuteronomy were added to the five Wisdom Books -- and Matthew were considered a Major Prophet?? Eleven Old Testament Books and One New Testament Book?! Matthew was written by a Jew for a Jewish audience -- right?? Matthew seems to harmonize with these particular OT Books. What if one read these twelve books straight-through -- over and over and over again -- as a mental and spiritual exercise?! I guess I'm trying to blur the lines of division between Jew and Gentile -- Protestant and Catholic. What Would Martin Luther King Jr. Say?? What Would the Creator-God Say?? What Would the God of This World Say?? I am suggesting this exercise as being something internal rather than external. Studying rather than Quoting. BTW -- Would the Creator-God rule as a Mean-Dictator or as a Cool Authority of Last Resort?? The Creator-God Invented Sex!!!! Think About It -- Long and Hard!!!!

Has anyone, in all of human history, properly understood the Bible?? In this skeptical and secular age, many might think this to be an anti-intellectual pursuit -- but what if Bible Study was intended to be a Rough and Tumble Spiritual War?? We often seek peace and solace in the Scriptures -- but was this the original intent?? Does anyone see any rational to the above approach?? Again, perhaps an integration of Science, Science-Fiction, and Scripture might be MOST interesting and beneficial. But what if scripture was NOT intended to make us happy?? Do we need thicker skin?? I am certain that I have been severely criticized for my irreverent and upsetting approach in this thread -- but what if we really do need to consider even the most absurd and upsetting possibilities?? Imagine discussing the Bible with Anna in V!! Once again, if we discard the Bible, what is our historical theological frame of reference?? I'm NOT a Bible-Thumper -- yet my free-thinking pursuit has brought me face to face with the Bible and the Roman Catholic Church -- but not necessarily in a pleasant manner. I think my posting has gotten me into a helluva lot of trouble -- and I'm sure I have multiple files -- but I have gone way out of my way to be tactful and discrete. This posting madness was intended to be an 'in house' matter. If anyone REALLY studies Science, Science-Fiction, and Scripture in a very aggressive manner -- it will scare the hell out of them -- I guarantee it. I've hinted at a lot of things -- and then just let it go. In three weeks, I'm going to stop completely.

As I mentioned previously, consider reading Israel and the Nations by F.F. Bruce -- and Daniel (1978) by Desmond Ford -- for context and exemplary scholarship -- especially regarding The New Old Testament According to Orthodoxymoron!! I don't know what I'm going to do with this concept (other than devotionally study it). Just for the 'fun' of it -- imagine a Royal Babylonian or Egyptian Jesus (RBEJ) teaching from these twelve books (in the context of a palace)!!

If I were, by some curse of the gods, placed on the inside, I truly think that I would do nothing but watch and listen, certainly for the rest of this incarnation. I'd read all the important memos and position-papers, etc. I'd attend all the important meetings and watch many lesser gatherings on the InterPlaNet. I'd see and be seen -- yet I would say and do very, very little. Everyone would know that I know -- and that might be enough. I call it Quantum Diplomacy -- where a situation is changed, simply by observing it. I'd work on the 'Poker-Face' and 'Penetrating-Gaze'!! The Ancient Egyptian Deity had a Disarmingly-Disturbing Stare -- especially when they told me we had 'fought side by side' -- I was 'lucky to be alive' -- that they were 'tired of keeping me alive' -- that 'people deserved to die (even women and children in the Roman Colosseum)' -- and  that they could 'snap their fingers, and I'd be dead'!! True Story. What was unsettling was the fact that I 'enjoyed' talking to them, because they seemed to know so much, and we seemed to understand each-other -- even though we seemed to be on opposite sides of some sort of ancient conflict. We seemed to know each-other -- going way, way back. The AED said that we were 'ancient'. I'm only relating this because it's been years since I knowingly spoke to them (although I suspect that I might've subsequently spoken with them in various forms). Also, hardly anyone reads this thread or takes it seriously, so I'm really just communicating with a few Alphabet-Interns (or so it seems).

Has technology reached the point where we are nearly obsolete -- and where we can exterminate ourselves (with a click of a mouse)?? Should I go into Maximum-Technology and Maximum-Exploitation Mode?? Should I become a MOST Feared Star-Warrior?? Should I become a MOST Corrupt and Deceptive Intergalactic-Bankster?? Should I become the Worst SOB in the Universe?? Is LOVE really the answer throughout the Universe?? I desire Idealism, Love, Responsibility, etc. -- but what if that is simply NOT how things really work??

There are several New Yorkers who I'd at least wish to know what they know (or knew) -- and be at their level of skill and intellect. Fred Swann (Riverside Church and Crystal Cathedral) -- Norman Vincent Peale (Marble Collegiate Church) -- Archbishop Fulton Sheen (St. Patrick's Cathedral) -- David Rockefeller (Chase Manhattan Bank and the Council on Foreign Relations). Some might find these names highly objectionable -- and some might find these names somewhat puzzling, considering my editorial-slant -- but there is a method to my madness -- but I don't wish to discuss it further, at this point in time.

Is the Purgatory Incorporated Solar System Model a legitimate one -- even after all of the internet revelations and exposures?? Is Paradise Incorporated still too idealistic and pure for this solar system, at this point in time, and at this stage of evolution?? With an End of the World perspective, one does not need to worry about Saving the World and Humanity. One simply makes sure they're saved -- and God takes care of the rest. If the world is going up in smoke -- why try to save it?? But what if BOTH Humanity and Divinity are Highly Problematic?? What if the War in Heaven is worse and more far-reaching than we can possibly imagine?? Once again, should we not consider ALL of the possibilities -- before it's too late?? It might be later than we think. Was it important for me to stir things up??? Did I do the right-thing or the wrong-thing?? I frankly have NO idea. I honestly don't.

I'm liking the idea of a New Old-Testament consisting of Deuteronomy, Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Solomon, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Lamentations, Ezekiel, Daniel, and Matthew -- as Profound-Wisdom and Major-Prophets!!! I'm liking combining the repeated devotional study of the NOT with Science and Science-Fiction!! But, once again, do NOT expect my study suggestions to make you happy or wealthy!! This is for people who are already way-down the damn rabbit-hole!! I'm trying to unify the Old and New Testaments, Science, Religion, and Science-Fiction!! I think someone has been driving us apart -- and against each-other -- for thousands of years. Once again, think long and hard about the Flood of Noah -- and the Tower of Babel. I think something REALLY BAD happened in the Garden of Eden (other than Adam and Eve eating the fruit and talking to a flying and talking snake). I don't think we have ANY idea which is even close to the real truth. I speculate -- but I know that I don't know. What if ALL of us are REALLY BAD??? THAT Would be a BAD-THING...

I keep feeling as if we are being set-up for a Disclosure-Disaster -- with all of the 2012 stuff happening between now and the end of 2013. Whatever it is -- I'm sure 'THEY' have it all planned out in great detail. Once again, if I am cursed with a Room with a Cray with a View from the Top of the Pyramid, I would say and do very little (if anything) -- regardless of how good or bad things got -- at least for the remainder of this particular incarnation. I think someone is going to be turned into a ScapeGoat when the Dracs and Greys come home to roost!! Just a feeling -- but a VERY BAD Feeling, mind you. Scales and Tails -- Angels and Demons -- Scare the Hell Out of Me!!! What About YOU???

I'm presently interested in Christocentric Egyptology and Teutonic Zionism, with a particular emphasis on Pharaohs, Emperors, and Popes. I have another thread devoted to the Teutonic Knights and Teutonic Zionism, of which I still know next to nothing, but this thread will have more of an Egyptian and Roman slant. Did Pharaohs morph into Emperors? Did Emperors morph into Popes? What's really going on here? Was Michael / Horus / Jesus the last Egyptian Pharaoh? If so, does this imply that Egypt died with the Crucifixion of Christ? Was the Antichrist born when Jesus died, in a symbolic, literal, and reincarnational sense? Is the Biblical Record of the Historical Jesus really just a Cover for a Darker and Deeper Story? Who controlled the Pharaohs? Who controlled the Emperors? Who controlled and controls the Popes? How does the Old World Order and the New World Order fit into all of the above? How do the Archangels Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer relate to all of the above? What about God the Father? There is some indication that the Ark of the Covenant was Egyptian. If this is true, who were the Real Raiders of the Lost Ark? As I have said before, this area of study deeply frightens me. I felt this way when I started the Amen Ra thread on the old Avalon site, and this fear has turned out to have had some justification. I have no links presently. I just wanted to start something. Consider the following threads in light of Pharaohs, Emperors, and Popes. I think some of you know all about this, but would rather not discuss it, especially with me! Others, like me, might be fearful of all of this. And still others are probably not interested if it's not something really sensational. Well, at a deeper level, this really is sensational, but it's an acquired terror...

1. Teutonic Zionsim. http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t3047-teutonic-zionsim

2. The Jesuits. http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t1407-the-jesuits

3. Ring of Power. http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t2921-ring-of-power

4. Reptilian Queens. http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t2639-reptilian-queens

5. Who is Lucifer? What Are They Doing? http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t841-who-is-lucifer-what-are-they-doing

6. Tibet, Kali, and the Trinity Goddess. http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t1019-tibet-kali-and-the-trinity-goddess

7. The History of Orthodox Christianity. http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t2971-the-history-of-orthodox-christianity

8. Eric John Phelps. http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t2779-eric-jon-phelps

9. The Hidden Story of Jesus. http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t2618-the-hidden-story-of-jesus

10. Cosmic War - Joseph Farrel. http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t1818-cosmic-war-joseph-farrel

11. What is Gizeh Intelligence? http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t1348-what-is-gizeh-intelligence

12. Amen Ra, et al. http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t1116-amen-ra-et-al

13. Egyptian Folklore and the Red Pill. Part 1. http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t791-egyptian-folklore-and-the-red-pill-part-1?highlight=egyptian+folklore

14. Egyptian Folklore and the Red Pill. Part 2. http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t2666-egyptian-folklore-and-the-red-pill-part-2

15. Old World Order v New World Order. http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t3123-old-world-order-v-new-world-order
I really feel as though I have lost the battle I was supposed to fight in this incarnation. I just wish there had been more communication and compassion. Sorry. Well, this thread is pretty much dead, like all the others, with no real interest. Should I stay, or should I go? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqH21LEmfbQ There are over three million views for this song -- not to mention the millions and millions of dollars of income, and nights in white satin. I live in a dump, and sleep with my dog, and I have no one to blame but myself. Writing and performing mindless songs seems to be valued a lot more than efforts to save the solar system. The latter will only get you placed on a dozen lists, including the Red-List, and watched by the Jesuits, the Alphabet Agencies, and by Various and Nepharious Unseen Entities. What shall I do? Decisions, decisions. BTW, I sang one of my own songs to Rufus -- acapella. I really did. Perhaps I should forget about all of the serious nonsense, and imagine someone who looks and sounds like Amadeus, who lives on the Moon, and rules the solar system, while walking around the Moon Palace all day with a bottle of wine, and no clothes on, assisted by 70 gorgeous naked virgins!! That would be a lot more interesting than endlessly speculating about Pharaohs, Emperors, and Popes, now wouldn't it? Come on! Be honest, for once!!

Anchor wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:I tried to PM Anchor, but the message never got sent, even though I tried repeatedly. The message is not really private, so I am posting it here. Anchor, I don't see you posting much anymore. Right from the beginning, I detected that you knew a lot more about a lot of things than you openly revealed. I have a bad feeling about what's going on throughout the solar system, but I don't know the details. I keep posting, even though I keep flying blind. The other forum members have pretty much stopped talking to me. Something seemed to occur as a consequence of that ill-fated Thuban thread, which was of major significance, but I don't know exactly what it was. I have been speaking with a somewhat mysterious individual, who seems to know a huge amount, yet will only tell me so much, and won't answer most of my questions. I don't know who they really are, even though I have a pretty good idea. Something seemed to ominously change two months ago, and this is when the forum members stopped talking to me. I don't know what happened, but I have some ideas. I won't elaborate. You seemed to be supportive of 'The Law of One'. I haven't spent much time looking at this material, but I think something major and catastrophic occurred in ancient Egypt. I have even speculated that the Old World Order was replaced by the New World Order at that time, and that this had everything to do with Amen Ra. I have suggested the possibility that an angel is a soul, which would make all of us angels in human form. Might angels in human form be considered to be 'Fallen Angels', or angels who have fallen into physicality? I once read a passage in a book, which read 'demons in human form, sitting in church pews'. Isn't that creepy?! I feel an overwhelming need to read 'The Law of One'. What do you think about "I Am Ra" being repeated throughout the 'Law of One'? How would you feel if someone looked you straight in the eye, and said "I Am Ra"? Was there a significant controversy and rebellion connected with 'The Law of One'? But really, I am so burned-out and disgusted with everything, that I might not be back. I've pretty much had it. Anyway, now I'm rambling. Let's just say that I am very afraid of what the remainder of 2011 will bring, and I am very worried about who I might be reincarnationally. I am also very concerned about the effect of my posting activities. I don't think I have enough information to properly press forward, but yet I do, probably mostly out of insecurity. I feel as though I got something very wrong, and that now I'm in huge trouble. Just my feeling. Namaste.

Well blow me down.

I logged in here today to find three PM's, and the first thread I looked at was this and I saw anchors.

Orthodoxymoron, sounds like you need an Anchor.

One is on the way.

Thank-you for the PM Anchor. I'll take a look at the 'Law of One' and your various posts on Avalon and Mists, and then perhaps I can gain a better understanding of your point of view. I posted the following on another thread, but I'd like to include it here as well. I have an idealism, on a spiritual level, which I desire for myself and others. I have an idealized self-image, which I would like to achieve. But really, as I dig deeper, I actually seem to be moving away from these idealistic conceptualizations. The battle for the ideal seems to be making me destitute in a physical, mental, and spiritual sense. The corrupt Washington and Wall Street people seem to have it together a lot more than I do. Reflecting, questioning, and trailblazing seems to take so much out of a person, that they can't seem to do much. I speak endlessly about responsibility, yet I am quite irresponsible in many ways. I feel like I'm fighting an unseen war. Someone who plays the game, becomes a Mason, does what they're told, is morally ambiguous, doesn't try to do the right thing, just takes the money and runs -- gets a lot farther in this world than someone like me. My quest has really destroyed me, as far as I can tell. This wouldn't be so bad, if it had actually done some good. I can see clearly now. The rain is gone, and so is my life. Just competing for fame, fortune, power, and pleasure seems to be a lot more productive in this world. Then, one can make a significant tax-deductable donation to charity, attend a prestigious church, and be considered a pillar of the community -- even though they live like the devil, and are more corrupt than hell. My idealism is morphing into a realism, wherein a modus operandi is devised, such that the good-guys can go head to head with the bad-guys -- and actually win. Hence, a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System, which does not hamstring the good-guys, and which neuters the bad-guys. Once again, those who study these concepts are the ones who are going to make great strides forward. I think I've pretty much cooked my own goose. Someone else is going to have to pick up my flag, and press forward into battle. I'm going to bite the bullet, and read through the 'Amen Ra' thread on Avalon 1, and both parts of the 'Red Pill' thread. Plus, I will continue to read my Egyptology books, and view various videos and documentaries, including those expressing the Black Perspective on Kemet and Ethiopia. I might think about the Dogon Tribe and the work of Dr. Robert Temple. I thought that I should spend a significant period of time on solar system governance, which I have done, but I just got bucked off of that dead horse, probably because I whipped it to death. BTW, I will try to include the Annunaki in my thinking about all of the above. I will also try to view all of this from the perspective of Michael / Horus / Jesus. I'm still waiting for that briefing or eyes-only document, revealing the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, in a month or less, or in a thousand pages or less. This is enough to drive a dude to ludes. I'm a loon as it is. Can you imagine what I'd be like if I really did take LSD and Quaaludes, or if I maxed-out on mushrooms, hung-out in sweat-lodges, and channeled Aton?? I should stop...  
What is the Old World Order? What is the New World Order? When did each begin, and who started them? Wikipedia isn't much help! When did the NWO REALLY begin? Could it have begun in Ancient Egypt, possibly with the Hyksos Exodus? I'm presently interested in the concept of Archangels in Ancient Egypt. But I think things have heated-up in the last 100 years, in part because of all of the fancy technology and underground bases. Did Nicola Tesla have anything to do with this? What if three Archangels governed Ancient Egypt? What if two of the Archangels rebelled, and started the New World Order? What if these two Archangels went their separate ways, possibly around the time of the Crucifixion of Christ, whenever that REALLY occurred? I'm obviously on a fishing expedition, but I think it's important to properly understand all aspects of both the Old World Order and the New World Order. I know it's 'fun' to rant and rave against the NWO and the PTB, but do we really understand the OWO, NWO, and PTB - historically and presently? My present working hypothesis is that we need to focus upon the concept of Reincarnating Archangels in Ancient Egypt -- in order to properly understand anything about secular and sacred history. On the other hand, why would Powerful Archangels set up shop in the desert, with other parts of the world being more beautiful? But what if things weren't always this way? Or, what if there were a worldwide 'Egyptian' society, which included all of the continents, and possibly some of the other planets and moons of the solar system? What if this were the Old World Order? What if a Rebellion and War in Heaven resulted in the New World Order? What if there has been an ongoing war between the Old World Order and the New World Order - spanning thousands of years? When some of us yell insults at the New World Order, do we really know what we're yelling about? I am vowing to understand the Old World Order, the New World Order, and the Powers That Be -- in terms of Reincarnating Archangels and Ancient Egypt. Please -- I need help with this! I seem to have a mental block in this area, and I can't really get into it, even though I want to. The Biblical Egyptology of Gerald Massey and Ralph Ellis are currently of interest to me, but I also keep picking up bits and pieces of information from a wide variety of sources, including science fiction, such as Stargate SG-1, and from an overactive imagination, which feeds upon intuition and contextual superimposition. Perhaps I should add 'Sirius Mystery' and 'Egyptian Dawn' by Robert Temple, to my reading list. http://www.egyptiandawn.info/ Should I really think in terms of Biblical Solar System Egyptology, with Special Emphasis Upon Science, Science Fiction, and Solar System Governance? I'm getting really shaky regarding all of this. What would Ra say? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2fnk2YzXbo
What do you think about internalizing Alex Jones, Robert H. Schuller, Orthodoxymoron -- and externally manifesting the best aspects of Anna in the series 'V'? This is sort of an extrapolation from the 'Duck Philosophy' wherein one is ever so placid on the surface, but underwater they're paddling like hell! The Alex Jones approach works well on his show, and when he shows up at the State Capitol to protest, but this approach really doesn't work for people in everyday life. It might even get one arrested! I have enjoyed watching and listening to the flamboyant approach of Dr. Robert H. Schuller, and I agree with 95% of what he has written and spoken. But his approach leaves out a lot of very important material, and try using his theatrical speaking-style at the local grocery store! His ministry is more corrective than normative. My material is fine within the context of alternative research and personal reflection, but try talking about this stuff at work! Actually, don't talk about this thread at work, because you'd probably get fired or placed on a list! But if you combine Jones, Schuller, and Orthodoxymoron as sort of an internal Committee of Three -- you can then externally manifest a very polished and smooth demeanor, such as demonstrated by Anna. Incidentally, would a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System need to be presided over by someone like Anna? Would they be necessary to ensure a continuity of government in an orderly manner? Would this form of government keep someone like Anna in check? What if this solar system included the best aspects of Anna and the Visitors? How would a civilization guard against the worst aspects? My favorite painting has always been the 'Blue Boy' by Thomas Gainsborough. I've recently been trying to use this painting as sort of a personal model, which is decidely male, yet which is sensitive, refined, noble, and youthful. I'm not doing very well at implementing all of the above, but I'll keep trying. Anyway, back to reality. I need to mow my lawn. A neighbor yelled at me the other day, and I can't say that I blamed them. I was really quite embarrassed.

Ego and humility are tricky terms. We're supposed to have self-esteem, yet we're supposed to be humble. We're not supposed to engage in self-exaltation or self-agrandizement, but look at who's winning in politics, religion, and entertainment!! Worshipping and Praising God opens a can of worms regarding humility, self-esteem, self-exaltation, self-agrandizement, etc. I keep imagining myself as being a Renegade French Jesuit Organist -- so living in a French Monastery with Fast Internet and Access to the Organs at Notre Dame, St. Ouen, and Saint Sulpice might be sort of cool! I like the Roman Catholic Context, in many ways, but I hate a lot of the theology and history. I've even joked about getting some R&R in a Deep Underground Reptilian Monastery under the Vatican!! I like the idea of working behind the scenes, with very little personal wealth and luxury, but with access to a lot of interesting people and information, yet with no real authority. Just analyzing situations and writing reports (which would actually be taken seriously) would be neat. I've been in an active television control room, and in many ways that seemed more attractive than being on stage. I think I have a pretty good idea how the world works, at this point, and in a sense, my reaction is 'so what?' I just wish to conceptualize things being better for everyone. Speaking of behind the scenes, I once made a televangelist mad at me when I made what I thought was a pretty neutral observation regarding the relationship of self-esteem and self-forgetfulness. I moved on after that, but I often wish that I hadn't. Good and Evil might be two sides of the same coin. I recently spoke with someone who told me that no one was really good. I didn't agrue the point. I then asked them 'how good is too good?' They didn't have an answer, and neither do I. Terrorism, Murder, and Warfare really bother me. I can tolerate a certain amount of naughtiness, mischief, and corruption -- but suffering and violence are at the top of my fecal-list.

Some of the most simple things can become very complex. Innocent ideas and concepts can morph into very sinister monstrosities. Just try taking the few words 'Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System' and think this through in every conceivable setting and situation. This is a HUGE and never-ending task! How would one talk to the Chinese government about such a thing? How would one talk to the Russians about such a thing? How would one talk to the Europeans about such a thing? How would one talk to the English about such a thing? How would one talk to the Teutonic Zionists about such a thing? How would one talk to the Vatican about such a thing? How would one talk to the Secret Government about such a thing? How would one talk to the Queen of Heaven and God of This World about such a thing? How would one talk to God the Father about such a thing? How would one talk to Michael/Horus/Jesus about such a thing? How would one talk to Other Than Human Lifeforms about such a thing? How would one talk to the General Public about such a thing? This gets very complicated and sticky. What about church and state? What about national sovereignty? What about ET's? If one goes through every race, country, faction, religion, company, leader, etc. and et al -- and tries to deal with them in a satisfactory manner, one might go slightly nuts -- even though they were just trying to help everyone and do the right thing. I joke around a lot, but this is a very difficult and far-reaching subject. I just think it would be cool to be on a Moon Base with all races, religions, nations, and factions represented -- sharing a once Secret Space Program. Would misunderstandings develop? Would there be the equivalent of the Dulce Wars? It's very possible, and even likely, but consider the alternatives. Here are some clips from 'V' where Anna and the V's use their charm to win friends and influence people. Too bad there's a bad side. But why does there have to be a bad side? Try thinking about a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System while watching a wide variety of Science Fiction series and motion-pictures. This exercise is very important, and should be engaged in on an ongoing basis. This seems trivial, but it is crucial. What would Diana and Anna say? 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIQcD2FfGeM&feature=related 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyo7dsEhYBM&feature=related 3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbL3KmFwVSo&feature=related 4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXrkF-K9HZM&feature=related 5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZYoAmZX4rI&feature=related 6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP49-qftyuk&feature=related 7. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atWqEdyuy8U&feature=related

Has anyone turned this solar system into a gigantic movie set, for their very own science-fiction series, which is a combination of reality and fantasy? I try to make my imaginary personal science-fiction as real and as close to reality as possible. This isn't just idle entertainment either. This is a very serious and important activity, in my not so humble opinion! This is sort of a New Theology and a New Politics combined into a mysterious blend of church and state. This is a very volatile and dangerous combination, but perhaps an idealistic combination of some sort of politics and religion should at least be considered on an ongoing basis. I support the sovereignty and independence of individual nations and religions, but what about at the solar system governance level? Solar System Governance really does include church and state, politics and religion, regardless of how problematic this matrimonial union of strange bedfellows might be. I have previously spoken of studying 1. The Teachings of Jesus. 2. The Federalist Papers (including the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights). 3. The Latin Mass. and 4. Sacred Classical Music. This does not imply that this is the way I think things should be. It is simply a suggested area of study, or a starting point, for a consideration of the problems connected with politics, religion, and the combination thereof. This is not a 'My Way or the Highway' proclamation. I don't have this all figured-out, and I doubt that I ever will. Really. I just think we need to consider a Minimalist Traditionalist approach, before moving on to bigger and better things, and I really do think there are bigger and better things. This is sort of a 'Back to Basics' approach, which might be a possible prerequisite to a constructive consideration of what might legitimately constitute a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System, which would be neither Fundamentalist nor Godless. Solar System Without End. Namaste. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oayTmmL9xJc&NR=1 I need to listen to more Buxtehude! I love the rhapsodic style. His music sounds especially fine on the Silbermann organs found in North Germany. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5w1RWKCMQdo Bach, Buxtehude, Widor, Vierne, Silbermann, Cavaille-Coll, and the Federalist Papers! Try it! You'll like it! What if a liturgical church were based upon this combination? Would this be an appropriate union of the sacred and the secular? The sacred must become secular, and the secular must become sacred! What would Robert Schuller say? WWJD? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeSbFIgNl94 How about a Silbermann at one end of the nave, and a Cavaille-Coll at the other end??!! What would Angela say? We're both Tracker-Backers!! I bet they have pipe-organs and cathedrals on the Moon and Mars! I think I need to cease and desist!! 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-PrW3lpoaw&feature=related 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk4aoN96C18&NR=1 BTW, Morena Baccarin is a highly-trained musician!! I'm listening to sacred classical music as I rewrite this thread. I don't know if it's going to be a simple rewrite, or if I will put it into a novel format. Perhaps I will do both! I need to think fast, if I want to keep my house! I'll probably have to self publish. I doubt that anyone would publish this sort of thing. But who knows, I might even have a difficult time self publishing. I will sanitize the material, and water things down a bit for mass consumption. But really, I'll probably only sell as many copies as Daniel Jackson, or the Jackson in '2012'! I really prefer this material with all of the pictures and links, but they will obviously not be included in a book. I'll probably eliminate most or all copyrighted material, and just leave my editorial comments and endless questions. Unfortunately, I might have to do a Salman Rushdie, and get Scotland Yard to give me a hand. But wait! They're probably controlled by the Illuminati!!
What if there were a lectionary based upon 'The Federalist Papers', 'The Anti-Federalist Papers', and 'The Teachings of Jesus'? I know I'm cruisin for a bruisin with all of this heretical religious stuff, but perhaps it will cause someone to determine how to do it right. But really, what if there were a liturgical church which used such a lectionary, combined with sacred classical music? What type of a church would best facilitate an enlightened democracy? Does the separation of church and state facilitate an enlightened democracy? Here's some beautiful music to listen to while you consider these questions. It really is important to listen to sacred classical music as you read through this thread. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJnv53fpusc&feature=list_related&playnext=1&list=PLD768A221F84347A8

I really hope that my words and posted material on this thread are not being used in evil, twisted, or nepharious ways. I intend only a high-road righteous approach. I'm trying to be pure without being a prude. This is why I joke around a lot, and I continue to be sorry if this offends anyone. I continue to not know the real story or the whole story. I think I've narrowed things down a bit, and I continue to test certain theories, but I would really need a lot more information and conversation to have real substance behind my words. I am truly walking through a minefield, and I know it. I continue to ask for help from those who know a lot more than I do. On the other hand, there might be those who know a lot more than I do, who are a lot more evil than I am. I don't think I'm evil, but I don't trust myself or my hidden intentions. I might not be as good as I think I am. I feel tremendously oppressed, but what does this mean regarding my true soul-state? My theological theories are heretical toward most traditional Protestant and Roman Catholic Theology. But I am trying to think through various approaches, regardless of their origins, because who knows what the true history of God and Humanity really are? Should we just accept assumptions, or should we test them? Is it OK to just go along to get along? If this is a Prison Planet in Rebellion, and if this is Occupied Territory, what should we properly believe? If we are prisoners, do we deserve our predicament? Again, I continue to ask for assistance, but the plug seems to have been pulled on any sort of detailed interaction with me on this thread, or so it seems. Is everyone just standing back, and waiting to see my inevitable crash? I have no idea regarding my status and true situation. I really don't. I continue to think that things could play out in just about any direction or manner. My thoughts are not set in concrete, and this makes life very unstable and unhappy, because everything is always up in the air, with very little blessed assurance. If I could look in the mirror, and see beyond the veil, I might be shocked. But really, all of us might be shocked at our true nature. I'm bracing for just about anything. I don't think we've seen anything yet... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRwuui7oS_g&NR=1

What would be wrong with the President staying at Camp David 90% of the time, and having that be the Primary White House, and just taking the helicopter into D.C. only when absolutely necessary? Wouldn't this be much more secure and economical? Why be traveling all the time? How can one be more than an order-following, teleprompter-reading puppet, when they are on the go all the time? The fraud, abuse, and waste in D.C. is reprehensible. I wouldn't even have so much of a problem with the secret government if things weren't so evil and corrupt. I love reading 'The Federalist Papers', 'The Anti-Federalist Papers', the U.S. Constitution, and the Bill of Rights -- but I hate the harsh reality of what America has become, and the seemingly unstoppable and impending train-wreck. The American People and the People of the World deserve better than this. What happened to the 'City on a Hill'? Unfortunately, I expect to keep seeing the bad-guys promoted, and the good-guys demoted, while high-level crime keeps getting swept under the proverbial rug. This seems to have become an integral part of Americana. We probably wouldn't know what the hell to do if things got cleaned-up. Who says that crime doesn't pay??? A grave-stone read

Stop my friend, as you pass by,
As you are now, so once was I,
As I am now, you will surely be,
So prepare yourself to follow me.

Crime might pay today, but crime does not pay on judgment-day, and I have a feeling that probation is about to close, and that an investigative judgment will soon be rendered, and that the wheels of justice will grind exceedingly fine. I keep getting the feeling that Earth is going to be destroyed, and the human race exterminated, by an Act of God. Why can't this mess be cleaned up with surgical precision? Again, I wouldn't have so much of a problem with a Lunar and Underground Secret Government if they really made things function properly on Planet Earth. I keep getting the feeling that this whole thing is the way it is because this is part of some sort of a sentence which affects the whole human race because of a very real original and unpardonable sin. I doubt that all of this madness is just accidental, or simply because of human stupidity and incompetence. This whole thing is sneaky and creepy. I'm re-watching '2012', so I'm in a bit of a mood. Why can't the really evil beings in this solar system be incarcerated and re-educated, even if it takes a million years? Why can't Earth be saved, salvaged, and run properly? I'm sensing impending doom and gloom, and that the end of the world will not be a natural occurrance. I grew up in an End-Time Judgment Church, namely the Seventh-day Adventist Church. Then I tried the Norman Vincent Peale / Robert Schuller / Crystal Cathedral approach, and I vowed to combine the best aspects of the two organizations, but I never really followed through. I kept encountering too many problems with everything. My internet posting is too little, too late, but it is my feeble attempt to help save this God Forsaken World. I'd like to see the corrupt aspects of America go down HARD, but why should hard-working rank and file Americans be relegated to hell because of corrupt individuals and organizations? I don't relish a confrontation with Russia, China, and Korea (or anyone else for that matter, including the Greys and Dracs!). I would like to have a positive working relationship with them, with no back-room back-stabbing whatsoever...

One Sunday, while sitting in the choir-loft of the Crystal Cathedral, I seemed to hear a still, small voice whispering 'He says we need a war'. Later, Dr. Schuller said 'A storm is coming'. Shortly thereafter, we got 'Desert Storm'. What scares me is that I now think that even the best, brightest, and most-pure can descend into corruption and madness more quickly and easily than we might think possible, which is why I keep speaking of a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System, like a broken record. I have no idea if this is possible, or even if it would actually work for any significant length of time. I just don't know what the true state of affairs are. I keep sensing that things are past the point of no return, but I keep trying to think and plan as if there were some hope of salvaging this mess. Believe it, or not, I have often thought that there is too much pain and suffering on Earth, for this to continue. On the other hand, if Earth and Humanity are destroyed, what chance does the Universe really have? What if Earth is the last, great hope for a very harsh, nasty, and dictatorial Universe? How are we supposed to know anything with any degree of certainty? We could be told just about anything by the 'experts'. I know a very intelligent individual, who knows a helluva lot about everything, yet they seem to have a dark soul, and they appear to be somewhat sloppy and out of control, in many important ways. I love talking to them, but they scare me. I keep thinking of Thomas and Sophia in 'The Event'. Sophia's son Thomas is running things while his mother is incarcerated, but he goes rogue, and really starts screwing things up, much to his mother's chagrin. I keep wondering if something similar to this is occurring within this solar system? And once things go out of control, and reach a critical point of no return, the madness seems to accelerate in an exponential manner, sort of like when a bank-robber is being chased by the police, and feels they have nothing to lose by running away and fighting with the police. I guess this is one reason why I have passively promoted the idea of some sort of reasonable amnesty for bad-guys who try to become good-guys, are fully cooperative, make full disclosure and reasonable restitution. Obviously justice must be served, but how does one turn a seemingly hopeless and corrupt situation around, and set things on a reasonable and responsible course, going forward?

Beyond The Veil lyrics:

Not fear, nor tears can reach me now
the light seems so clear as the night fades away
Behold of thy flame, below of all shame
Come conquer me sweet dreams of paradise

Dusk drawn hither to my evening star
A glance in thy mirror
The trance of thy mirror
Venus... through the looking glass

Dance so frail and lost in the fields afar
Cast off thy mourning
Clasp life and glory
Venus... through the looking glass

The sense of angels in veils of dawn
Like she runs forever among thy halls
The pale horizons are closing down

The reasons for living are lost somehow

Cross my heart with a glance upon the star of riddance
Drift afar like teardrops on the Stygian River

I'm the nightfall and wizard that summon thee
You're the blizzard that drape my eyes

I'm thy sorrow and vein of obscurity
You're the dagger that cuts

Shivers on the bleak horizon
Profound words... you're my frailty

See the light cease in thy life
Profound words... hurting me

Today, I'm watching Karen Armstrong, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftuw-kZ8fac&feature=related John Shelby Spong, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZM3FXlLMug&feature=relmfu Marcus Borg, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHIv-c-Rpzw&feature=related Diana Eck, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0wDxV4vOqU&feature=related Terry Eagleton, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCqHnwIR1PY Niel Gillman (moderator), Shmuley Boteach, and Christopher Hitchins. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnMYL8sF7bQ Fasten your seatbelts! Lay aside your preconceived and prefabricated beliefs and convictions! Take a break from aliens, ufo's, and the latest disaster! Prepare to be blown away! Just look at these faces! Aren't they intimidating??!! Would any of you buy a used car from any of them??!! I feel comfortable with these types of people. I liked being around a graduate of the Harvard Divinity School for a couple of years. I'm not up to speed with these people, but I love listening to them. I knew a woman who worked with Bishop Spong for many years, and she really liked him. You guys and gals could have saved yourselves a lot of trouble if you had voted for another Bishop of New Hampshire candidate! You guys and gals don't know what to do with me, do you?? But trust me, it's going to get worse. A lot worse. This is just foreplay...

Is there a Teutonic-Zionist v Black-Giant conflict occurring simultaneously with a Reptilian v Human war??? Is Africa somehow at the center of a lot of this hypothetical-madness?? I have NO idea -- but there's no way to even think about this sort of thing, without making someone angry! Wouldn't a completely made-over Africa be really cool?? Springs in the Desert?! Africa seems to be a Sleeping-Giant!! I'm sure the Nazis had something BIG in mind when they invaded North-Africa!! What if the Banksters and Warriors have over-ridden the Idealists and Visionaries -- throughout history??!! Someone told me they had always remained one step ahead of humanity!! THAT scared the hell out of me!! If humanity was bad in antiquity -- they (we) should repay any Karmic-Debt we owe -- but justice should be served with heaping portions of Law and Order. I continue to be supportive of a REASONABLE System of Rewards and Punishments. Why do things often seem SO absurd??!! Up is Down?? Good is Bad?? White is Black?? It could be forward. It could be backward. It could be up. I could be down. It could be a truncated-cone. It could be inside-out. How is one to know?? What is a completely ignorant fool to do??!! I'm SO Confused!!! This is what would probably happen if I were interviewed by a televangelist!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGjVH3XHTgw

Regarding Osiris, Isis, Horus, and Set -- what if Osiris, Horus, and Set are all the Same Archangelic Soul?! What if we are dealing with Isis v Osiris-Horus-Set??!! What if Ra is simply another way of saying 'Sun-God' or 'System-Lord'?? Remember in the movie Stargate where Ra says 'There can only be one Ra'?? What if there are literally billions of Ra's throughout the universe?? I have NO idea. I am NOT an Egyptologist -- and I am continuing with an intuitive (rather than a scholarly) quest -- which is about to go completely incognito. Beware of Sleeper-Cells of Completely Ignorant and Incognito Fools Infected with the Pious-Zombie Virus!!! I realize this stuff might be very serious -- but a lot of it is SO sad, that it's almost funny. When the AED told me something which should've made me sort of angry -- I actually laughed -- and they commented on that!! I tried to be neutral -- and get along -- but perhaps I tried too hard. Once, I joked about bringing my Bible and Shouting at Them -- and they had to laugh -- even though they looked a bit bothered by what I said. Another time, we poured water on dry-ice -- and as the 'smoke' arose -- I joked that it was the 'Bottomless-Pit'! Perhaps I should've been more Sirius and 5D...

Once again, consider Serpent Worship. Is the Goddess really the God 'S'? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0WnSPxGDpU&feature=player_embedded As one goes up the chain of command, at some point, does matriarchy and patriarchy no longer apply? At the 'lower' levels, is the 'Patriarchy' really just a front, staffed by drones? What if Michael / Horus / Jesus was a front-man in Ancient Egypt, who rebelled against the Gods of Eden, and got himself blacklisted and crucified? Might there be a parallel between Jesus and Teal'c in 'Stargate SG-1'? Just a thought. Consider Christocentric Egyptology. Seriously. Consider Ethiopia. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XDpkZL5808&feature=related What is the relationship between Sirius, Mali, Ethiopia, Egypt, Persia, Babylon, Iran, and Iraq? North Africa, Persia, and the countries immediately surrounding Persia, are fascinating to me. What if the Raiders of the Lost Ark were really Persians? One source claims that Bohemian Grove is Persian. But what do I know? Probably too much and too little. This is a dangerous combination...

Take a very long and hard look at this map -- and start connecting the dots. Top (New World Order Raiders of the Lost Ark?) v Bottom (Founders and Old World Order?)? On the other hand, what if North America turns out to be at the center of things, historically and presently? Bill Cooper pointed the finger at America. Leo Zagami stated that the New World Order was 'Made in the U.S.A.' Sherri Shriner thinks that America is Modern Babylon. I think the Secret Government Aspect of America might be Babylon. What if the other parts of the world were outposts or business ventures? The underground and hidden power structure of the world might be very different than the visible powers that be, who we see, and who are recorded in the 'history' books. We might be reading mostly Historical-Fiction. Was Hitler forced into war in 1939, possibly much earlier than planned? Why did Adolph Hitler REALLY go into North Africa? Did Hitler attack Gizeh Intelligence? Did Hitler bite the hidden-hand that was feeding him? Supposedly Gizeh Intelligence pulled the plug on Hitler in 1941. Was it just a coincidence that the United States entered WWII in 1941? Did a previously obedient Hitler go rogue in 1941? The later Hitler blunders might be explained by the absence of the Gizeh Intelligence support. The Lord giveth, and the Lord taketh away...

What if there existed an advanced Native Earth Population centered in North Africa and North America -- seeded by one group of ET's? What if the territory North of Africa were visited by another group of ET's at a later date, who engaged in a program of genetic hybridization and conquest? Something really nasty happened in antiquity, in connection with all of the above, but I'm not sure exactly what it was. I think that ancient history was really, really bad. I mostly wish to make things right presently, with or without full disclosure. Is North Africa the Old World, and the center of the Old World Order? Is North America the New World, and the center of the New World Order? This mess could go back tens of thousands of years. Sirius A v Sirius B? Africa v America? OWO v NWO? Should I run? I'd run -- but I don't think there is any place to hide -- not even under the rocks. I keep thinking that a Beautiful African Goddess, in a Subterranean Palace, somewhere in North Africa -- could clear all of this up for me -- but I have a feeling that I'd have to kneel -- while she decided whether to kill me, or not...

In the movie '2012' do you remember which continent rose thousands of feet, and which was not flooded? Think about it...

In the movie 'Avatar' do you remember the spiritual leader of the Navi? Who were the ET's? Think about it...

I get the feeling that I have been a defender of humanity for a very long time, but I'm not sure why I think this might be the case. If this is true, has this been a wise decision? Why did Raven call me 'Satan', and say that I would be hiding under the rocks when the Lord returned? Think about it...

Perhaps I am a personna non grata of both the OWO and the NWO. Perhaps this is the fate of mediators. Think about it...

Perhaps I am viewed as being a whining, lying, disloyal, insubordinate, two-faced, back-stabbing sonofabitch. Think about it...

In a Theocratically-Implemented, Responsibility-Based, United States of the Solar System -- what would be the nature of the 'Theocratic' portion of this concept? Once the system were established, would the 'Theocratic' aspect play an active role in a U.S.S.S.? These are VERY important questions. I have some ideas about this, but I am afraid to utter them. Does it really do any good to keep making post after post after post after post -- with no responses? Why is this so hard? Should I simply walk away from this mess? Should someone hit the 'reset button', and reboot the whole damn thing? What is going on here? BTW -- Rufus showed me some really cool sci-fi cartoons, which is where I got the 'reset button' idea. A humvee was close by, but I don't know why. In 'Dogma' Rufus said that Jesus was Black. Here is something which might shed some light on what I just said. http://bechollashon.org/population/africa/africa_jews.php  In light of the previous post, think about it...

A little known story is that of the African Jewish Diaspora, which has received relatively little scholarly attention. When Ethiopian-born Ephraim Isaac is greeted with the question familiar to many diverse Jews, “Are you Jewish? You don't look Jewish,” he sometimes responds, “Ethiopia is mentioned in the Bible over 50 times, but Poland not once.” The African story parallels that of other groups of Jews throughout the Diaspora. In Africa, as in other places around the world, there are long-standing communities with greater or lesser degrees of continuous practice, depending on how safe they were. There are those who have Jewish heritage and now practice other religions. Either through assimilation or through forced conversion, some may live as Christians or Muslims and have little sense of their Jewish past. However, others live as Christians or Muslims, yet are proud of their Jewish ancestry. There are also those who discovered Judaism and decided to convert to Judaism. These are more recent newcomers to the Jewish people. Whether ancient or new, a distinctive trait of African communities results from isolation from rabbinic Judaism. Their Judaism has either been passed on through oral tradition or is practiced as pre-Talmudic Torah-based Judaism. These communities would like to be part of world Judaism. Some are ancient, some more recent, and others once existed but are now extinct. The following section briefly describes some of those communities to illustrate both the historical roots and the possibilities for the future of the Jewish people.

Jewish communities have existed throughout Africa for centuries. Some are ancient, some more recent, and others once existed but are now extinct. The following section briefly describes some of those communities to illustrate both the historical roots and the possibilities for the future of the Jewish people. North African, or “Maghrebi” Jews of Algeria , Egypt, Morocco, Tunisia, and Yemen maintained their faith for more than two thousand years, in some instances surviving violence, political and geographic segregation, and legal status as second-class citizens. After the birth of the State of Israel in 1948, most North African Jews were expelled from their places of birth, along with other Mizrahi Jews from Arab states in the Middle East. Some countries still have an active, albeit small contingent of Jews who still practice a unique form of distinctly North African Judaism.

Jews have a long history in Algeria. In the 14th century, with the deterioration of conditions in Spain, many Spanish Jews moved to Algeria. After the French occupation of the country in 1830, Jews gradually adopted French culture and were granted French citizenship in 1870. Most of Algeria's 140,000 Jews left the country for France when Algeria attained independence in 1962. Following the brutal conflict of the Armed Islamic Group's 1994 declaration of war on all non-Muslims in the country, most of the thousand-odd remaining Jews left. A single synagogue functions in Algiers, although there is no rabbi. All other synagogues have been taken over for use as mosques. During British rule and under King Fuad, Egypt was somewhat more friendly towards its Jewish population. Although they were not allowed to claim Egyptian nationality, Jews played important roles in the economy. Of the 100,000 Jews who lived in Egypt before 1948, only a hundred or so remain today. Many Egyptian Jews fled to Israel (35,000), with the rest going to Brazil, France, the United States and Argentina. Today, anti-Semitism is common in the Egyptian media.

The Jewish community of Morocco had a peak population of 300,000 Jews before 1948. In the midst of the first Arab-Israeli war, riots against Jews broke out, and they began leaving for Israel. In 1955, when Morocco attained independence, Jews occupied several political positions, including three seats in parliament and a ministry. The Six-Day War in 1967 led to increased Arab-Jewish tensions worldwide, and by 1971 the Jewish population was down to 35,000. As of 2004, Marrakech had an aging population of about 260 people, most over the age of 60, while around 3,000 Jews remained in Casablanca. Despite their small numbers, Jews continue to play a notable role in Morocco: the king retains a Jewish senior adviser, and Jewish schools and synagogues receive government subsidies. However, Jewish targets have sometimes been attacked (notably in Al-Qaeda's bombing of a Jewish community center in Casablanca in 2003), and there is sporadic anti-Semitic rhetoric from radical Moslem groups. However, King Mohammed VI is taking an assertive stand against Islamic radicalism and reaffirmed the protection his predecessors historically offered to Morocco's Jews.

Tunisia has had a Jewish minority since Roman times. The Jewish community of Tunisia received successive waves of immigration over time, mostly from Spain and Portugal at the times of the Inquisition and then from Italy. In 1948 the Jewish population was an estimated 105,000, but by 1967 most Tunisian Jews had left the country for France and Israel, and the population had shrunk to 20,000. As of 2004, an estimated 1,500 remained, particularly on the island of Djerba, noted for its ancient synagogues, and in Tunis where most Jews still live as they have for centuries, maintaining strict Jewish practices and surviving by metalworking and jewelry-making. In the last few decades, a small but deadly number of attacks against Jews have occurred; however, they are generally not regarded as state sponsored and the Islamic government allows freedom of worship to the Jewish community.

The group of African Jews that has received the most attention in mainstream media is the Beta Israel, the Jews of Ethiopia, a 2,500-year-old biblically Jewish community. The Beta Israel have become so well known that some Jews may think that any dark-skinned Jew is Ethiopian. Although the central legend of Beta Israel Judaism is the story of King Solomon and Queen Sheba, historians trace Ethiopian Jewish ancestry to the tribe of Dan, which migrated through the Nile valley to the ancient African kingdom of Cush. The Beta Israel are often referred to as Falasha, meaning “stranger” in Ge'ez, the classical ecclesiastical tongue of Ethiopia, a derogatory term descriptive of their community's status as outsiders since the 4th century, when King Ezana declared Christianity the official religion of his kingdom. Because of rescue missions Operation Moses (1984-85), Operation Joshua (1985), and Operation Solomon (1991), 100,000 Beta Israel now have Jewish lives in Israel. What most Jews do not know is that the process to recognize Ethiopian Jews as “real” and “legitimate” took well over 100 years, and the struggle is not over. Thousands of “Falash Mura,” Ethiopian Jews who, like Anusim, were forced to convert to Christianity and want to return to Judaism, remain in camps in Addis Ababa and in remote northern villages of Gondar, waiting to be accepted as legitimate Jews and make aliyah to Israel. Although movement toward recognition finally seems achievable, this path also has been tortuously slow.

There have long been many sub-Saharan African communities. Some are dispersed and have found it difficult to maintain their connections to their religious pasts. The geographic challenges are often coupled with aggressive missionary pressures from messianic Jews, Christians, and Muslims. For example, the Lemba of South Africa and Zimbabwe have always been aware and are fiercely proud of their Jewish ancestry, but they do not necessarily practice Judaism today. This is changing, as some leaders of the community, including Rabson Wuriga, Ph.D., and members of the Lemba Cultural Association (LCA), are attempting to organize and educate dispersed individuals and reclaim the practice of Judaism among a wider segment of the Lemba population. There are Lemba who live in urban centers, well-educated professionals and academics. At the same time, they may be the tribal elders who maintain a closely guarded oral Lemba history. Though non-Lemba women are allowed to marry into the tribe, Lemba men face expulsion if they marry gentiles. According to Dr. Rudo Mathivha, daughter of Professor M.E.R. Mathivha, the late president of the LCA, the Lemba are descended from a group of Jews who left Judea in approximately 500 B.C.E. and settled first in Yemen before traveling south through Africa. The story of their long migration through Ethiopia, Tanzania, Kenya, Malawi, Mozambique, Zimbabwe, and South Africa has been retained and passed down through oral tradition.

A 60 Minutes segment, featuring Tudor Parfitt, head of the Judaic Studies department at the University of London, reported the results of DNA testing showing both Semitic origins of the Lemba in general and the now well-known existence of a marker associated with the Kohanim on the Y chromosome of many Lemba males, although DNA cannot necessarily prove or disprove Jewish origins. The testing itself remains controversial among the Lemba, with some feeling vindicated by the results as scientific proof of their Jewish roots, while others are insulted by the very idea of having to prove their identity. In response to those who question his legitimacy as a Jew, Wuriga responds, “My father told me I am a Jew. To whom am I going to listen? I am going to listen to my father.” Other communities have found their way to Judaism only in the last hundred years. In Uganda, the Abayudaya, whose tribal name means “people of Judah,” trace their Jewish origins to the turn of the 20th century. According to Rabbi Gershom Sizomu, their spiritual leader, the Abayudaya began their journey to Judaism under the leadership of Semei Kakungulu, a great warrior who cooperated with the British the British imperialists at the turn of the 20th century. Kakungulu was to be a missionary for the British, converting the people of Mbale to Christianity. However, Kakungulu favored the Hebrew Bible. In 1919, the community began practicing the biblical Judaism they maintain to this day. In 1919, he is reported to have circumcised himself-when he was almost 50 years old - along with the 3,000 men of the 8,000 followers. They began practicing the observant Judaism they maintain to this day. Over the years, Kakungulu's knowledge of Judaism increased as a result of meeting several Jews, who instructed the Abayudaya in Jewish practice and Hebrew, and left them with a Hebrew/English bible. After Kakungulu´s death in 1928, many members drifted away. Since then, as has happened to so many other groups of Jews, the community has at times been subject to governmental pressures to abandon their Jewish practices. In 1971, Idi Amin came to power, banning Jewish practice, ordering Jews to convert to Christianity or Islam. After the fall of Amin in 1979, the remnants of the Abayudaya community gathered to begin rebuild the community. Rabbi Sizomu, his brother JJ Keki and others were leaders of the “Kibbutz Movement” in the early 1980s, reclaiming the land and building a synagogue (the “Moses” synagogue), which restored the Abayudaya community's focus. Music has been critical to the survival of the Abayudaya community. The Abayudaya community leaders used music to attract people back to Judaism. This strategy successfully compelled many youth to return to the almost extinct Abayudaya community. The community has borrowed and adapted to forge a new, distinctly Jewish music. (Link to CD)

In 2007, the approximately 800 members of the Abayudaya community live in 5 villages among the rolling, green hills of Eastern Uganda within several miles of Mbale, the third largest city in Uganda. The overall Christian, Muslim, and Jewish population of these five villages is approximately 10,000. The Abayudaya Jews live among their Christian and Muslim neighbors, supporting themselves through subsistence farming and small businesses. Even though the Abayudaya regard themselves as Jews, they realized that their isolation from the Jewish world was both dangerous and had prevented them from gaining a more thorough understanding of Judaism. At the community´s request in the spring of 2002, four Conservative rabbis from the United States and one from Israel joined Gershom Sizomu in supervising the conversion or reaffirmation of most of Uganda´s 750 remaining Jews in the community's mikva, one further step in their goal to be part world Judaism.

Some recent returnees to the Jewish people have ancient roots. The Ibo (or Igbo) are a tribe in Nigeria numbering in the millions. Remy Illona writes in his 2005 book about the history of the Ibo: The Ibo Benei-Yisrael of Nigeria [...] are an ethnic group [that] descended from the southern and westward migrations of both ancient Hebrew and later Israeli peoples from the Middle East into Africa. [...] The oral traditions of the Ibo maintain that their presence has been in what is termed "Ibo land" for over 1,500 years. [They] state that their ancestors were migrants from ancient Israel, possibly beginning with the Semitic migrations from Northern Arabia into Eastern Africa around 500 B.C.E. Ibo oral tradition references the names of specific Lost Tribes from which these clans are believed to have originated. However, many Ibo have no awareness of their Jewish heritage. Others are aware and proud of their Jewish ancestry and are actively reclaiming Judaism. Certain Nigerian Jewish communities have been making increasing connections with world Jewry. There are relatively recent efforts to reestablish the Jewish community in Nigeria, including building synagogues. Rabbi Capers Funnye's congregation in Chicago, represented by Nigerian-born Dele Jane Osawe, is sponsoring the building of a sister synagogue in Delta State, Nigeria. Because no formal census has been taken in the region, it is unknown how many native Jews reside in Nigeria. There may be twenty-six synagogues of various sizes and estimates of possibly as many as 30,000 Ibos practicing some form of Judaism. Further research is necessary.

The House of Israel, centered in the southwestern towns of Sefwi Wiawso and Sefwi Sui, is a relatively new Jewish community, but one that may have ancient roots. In 1976, a Ghanaian man named Aaron Ahomtre Toakyirafa recognized that the traditions of his Sefwi ancestors were similar to traditions of ancient Jews. Their story is typical of many communities in Africa: Before Christian missionaries converted much of Ghana nearly a hundred years ago, the Sefwi people practiced many “unusual” traditions, such as adherence to Saturday as a day of rest, dietary restrictions that forbade them from eating pork, the circumcision in youth of male community members, and the isolation of women in the community during their menstrual cycle. Toakyirafa, along with his neighbor, David Ahenkorah, and others, researched their community and traced their historical origins from ancient Israel, through Mali, the Ivory Coast, wandering throughout West Africa to escape persecution, to their present home in Ghana. Convinced of their Jewish origins, Toakyirafa began to teach about Judaism. After he died in 1991, many thought that Judaism would disappear from the community, but in 1993 Ahenkorah became community leader. He re-affirmed the community's Jewish identity, reinstituted open Jewish practice, and built a synagogue.

There are several thousand people of unquestioned Jewish ancestry in Timbuktu, Mali. Egyptian Jews began trading with tribes in the northern part of Mali as long ago as biblical times and pushed further and further into the Sahara throughout the centuries. In the eighth century, the Rhadanites (multi-lingual Jewish traders) settled in Timbuktu and used it as a base from which they could solidify their trade routes through the desert. In the 14th and 15th centuries, Jews fleeing Spanish persecution settled in Timbuktu. In 1492, King Askia Muhammed took power in Timbuktu and threatened Jews with execution who did not convert to Islam. Some Jews fled, some converted, and some remained in Mali, suffering centuries of persecution. By the 20th century there were no practicing Jews in Mali. However, Malian Jewry has begun to experience a revival. In 1993, Ismael Diadie Haidara, a historian from Timbuktu, established Zakhor (the Timbuktu Association for Friendship with the Jewish World) for the almost one thousand Malian descendants of Jews who have become interested in exploring their identity. Zakhor's members hope to teach their children about their Jewish heritage and revive their interest in Judaism.

In 1496 when the Portuguese expelled the Jews from their land and forced others to convert, many Cristãos Novos (“New Christians”) escaped to places like the islands of Cape Verde, the refueling stop on the Atlantic Ocean route to the New World. There they worked as merchants and in some cases slave traders, hiding their Judaism for generations. Ultimately, they stopped practicing Judaism in any form. Descendants of the Portuguese Cristãos Novos and the Moroccan-Jewish Cape Verdeans founded the Cape Verde-Israel Friendship Society in 1995 in order to revitalize Jewish life on the islands. In the late 1400s, King Manoel I of Portugal imposed a head tax on Jews to finance his colonial aspirations. When some Jews refused to pay the tax, the king punished them by deporting almost 2,000 Jewish children, ages 2-10, to two small islands off the west coast of Africa, São Tome and Principe; only 600 were alive a year later. Some of the surviving Jewish children retained some semblance of their parents' religion. Observances generally declined, but in the 19th and 20th centuries some Jewish traders arrived on the islands and seeded a small new community. Today there are no known practicing Jews on the islands, but the descendants of these exiled children have expressed interest in learning more about the customs of their ancestors.

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What if the real issues at the heart of our problems really originated long before any of our souls arrived on Planet Earth? What if all of the madness goes back to Sirius, or somewhere in Orion? Once again, are all of our souls part of the 'Orion Group'? If so, why did we come here, and what were our goals? Just tracing our Earth history in great detail might not be enough. I continue to think that we need to work outward from an idealistic and mysterious blend of psychology, ethics, politics, religion, law, communications, arts, and sciences. I would like to pursue this in the context of a Theocratically-Implemented, Responsibility-Based, United States of the Solar System. I might be wrong about this, for various reasons, but I will keep passively promoting this concept, just to see where it all ends up. Others no doubt have other ideas, and this might shape-up to be a very interesting and passionate infowar. What bothers me a lot, is that so much of our civilization seems to be built on the shifting sands of lies and injustice. We seem to have woven a very tangled web of deceit. Perhaps some of this has been necessary, for various and sundry unknown reasons, but I tend to think that we need to move toward the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth -- with all deliberate speed -- whether we like it, or not. I think there have only been a couple of comments on this thread over the past three or four months. Was it something I said? Is this too boring? Is this too complicated? Is this too upsetting? 95% of my questions remain unanswered, despite all of the love, light, and enlightenment. My conclusion is that we are in very, very deep trouble -- and we don't know it -- and we seem to almost be past the point of no return. Getting this planet back on track might be much more difficult than even I think. How many people in the world are really and truly privy to what is really and truly wrong? A thousand? There's a big difference between knowing, and thinking that you know. I don't think I'm one of those who know, but I think that I have defined an area of study, within this thread, which leads one to knowing, in a fairly direct manner. Unfortunately, I am so traumatized by all of this, that I can't seem to function very well, so others really will have to carry the ball, but I'm not seeing that happening. I feel a bit like President Martinez, in 'The Event', when he calls for a reinstatement vote, even though he can hardly stand up. Jarvis reminded me of LBJ.

Is there any evidence that North Africa once had lush vegetation? Why would the gods choose a desert to build the pyramids and a civilization? Is the desert a result of some sort of deliberate flooding or the use of WMD's? I think I need to study the subject of African Royalty. Are we dealing with a plundering of a rich and abundant North Africa by the Raiders of the Lost Ark? Are the subjects of Reptilian Queens and North Africa related? I've heard stories. So, what if things were bad in Sirius? What if things were bad in Africa? What if the Raiders of the Lost Ark were Rebels Without a Clue? What if we are so fragmented and screwed-up that we are way past the point of no return? What if the Gods and Goddesses are Vengeful Deities? What if we are on the brink of extinction? What if the Original Sin was the Unpardonable Sin? What if all of the Pain, Suffering, and Death just isn't worth it? Would a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System which incorporated the very best psychology, ethics, politics, religion, law, communications, arts, and sciences - including the best aspects of the Old World Order and the New World Order - be worth a try? I have made detailed proposals elsewhere in this thread - with very little response - and virtually no alternatives. I have to listen to various researchers, and conduct imaginary conversations with them. There is a war going on inside of me 24/7, and for what? Why am I doing this? Insecurity is breeding more insecurity, as I slide further and further down the snake-hole. It's like a chain-reaction. Conversation is virtually non-existent. This is utter insanity. I don't know who's side I'm on, or who my enemies might be. I don't know what I'm supposed to do, or not do. I'm tired of this sick and stupid game. If one doesn't think, they are considered to be stupid. If one thinks deeply and independently, they are considered to be a threat. I get the feeling that the galactic and supernatural issues and problems are not going away anytime soon. I get the feeling that this galaxy is a zoo, and that we will experience nothing but trouble and insanity, going forward forever, no matter how hard we try to do the right thing. This is all about vengeance, retribution, recompense, utter-destruction, karmic-debt, divine-justice, etc, etc, etc -- rather than being about positive and constructive solutions. I was sort of looking forward to the heaven they promised me in the hundreds of sermons I slept through, but it's beginning to look like purgatory is as good as it gets. I would like to see North Africa become lush with vegetation of some kind, with the help of desalination plants, and massive irrigation projects. Even a system of lakes or small seas would be cool. Then get rid of the war-lords and preventable-diseases -- make all areas of Africa safe to visit, live in,  and invest in -- and we might be able to get something going around here. Oh, I forgot, we're not supposed to make things better. We're supposed to keep things screwed-up. Sorry.

Should the RIGHT kind of censorship occur in this sick and screwed-up world?? Should the RIGHT kind of purification occur in this sick and screwed-up world (wherein no one got hurt or killed in the process)?? Is the Book of Deuteronomy ethical or not?? Can the basic Ten Commandments be divorced from the rest of the Book of Deuteronomy?? Should every man, woman, and child be forced to Keep the Seventh-Day Sabbath Holy from Sundown Friday to Sundown Saturday -- or be executed?? Would this not be consistent with the Book of Deuteronomy?? Is acceptance of the Ten Commandments an endorsement of the Book of Deuteronomy?? Does David Teach Deuteronomy?? Does Solomon Teach Deuteronomy?? Does Isaiah Teach Deuteronomy?? Does Jesus Teach Deuteronomy?? Does Paul Teach Deuteronomy?? Does Paul Teach the Red-Letter Teachings of Jesus??

Are we dealing with a Loving Creator God in conflict with an Angry and Jealous God?? Are we dealing with a Pro-Human God in conflict with an Anti-Human God?? Are ALL of us Ancient Angels (at the soul level)?? Is Humanity Perfectible?? Does the Message of Matthew match the Message of Catholicism, Judaism, Islam, or Protestantism?? What is the Cream of the Old Testament?? What is the Cream of the New Testament?? What is the Cream of Christianity?? Should we positively reinforce the past -- or should we just start over?? Should the Boys with the Most Money, the Biggest Guns, and the Biggest Dicks make the rules?? I'm losing patience with the insanity. I've been advised that we need to start over in this solar system. I have a somewhat more optimistic and cautious view -- yet I am still really, really pissed-off -- to say the least...

I love the idealistic parts of the Bible -- and the best of my SDA experience -- but the worst parts of the Bible and the SDA Phenomenon really bother me -- especially the Elitism, Intolerance, Inconsistency, Blindness, Lying, and Rationalizing of the True Believers. I guess my present view is to work outward from the word RESPONSIBILITY -- In ALL Areas of Life -- Including Politics and Religion. I have attempted to provide a context for the word RESPONSIBILITY in this thread. Unfortunately, in real-life I am becoming more and more irresponsible as I descend into madness -- down the drain -- down the damn rabbit-hole. This is a HUGE part of the reason why I am going silent at the end of August 2013. I have NO idea what will happen to me, at that point. I perceive that to be a successful Politician or Clergyperson one must think and act like an Attorney -- and basically LIE -- or be destroyed by the bosses and the people. Honesty is NOT necessarily the best policy if one wishes to remain employed. "Trust and Obey -- For There's No Other Way -- To Avoid Unemployment -- One Must Trust and Obey!!" "Dare to be a Daniel!! Dare to Stand Alone!! Dare to Think of Something New!! Dare to Make It Known!!" Sorry -- I just couldn't resist...

Is there legitimacy to the Reptilian v Human theory -- or is that just a bunch of scary Internet BS?? I really don't know -- despite everything I've posted on this thread. Should I rename this thread "The Reptilian Brief"?? I suspect Angels v Demons -- but I certainly don't know the details. I'll continue studying this thread -- but I will never take the show on the road -- so to speak. I might write some sort of a watered-down novel -- but it certainly would be MUCH different than this thread. I still think that SOME of what I've posted would be cool in the RIGHT kind of science-fiction movie or series -- but I have NO idea what might work financially or responsibility-wise. I've been mumbling -- and soon I will shut-up and shut-down. I'll try to keep thinking about all of the upsetting stuff -- but I'm NOT going to talk about it. I've said too much already. However, I will keep reposting and editing till the end of the month.

Once again, I'm sorry for whatever I did to make everyone stop talking to me. Actually, hardly anyone talked to me, right from the beginning! I'm still looking for humans, reptilians, and greys to talk to. Should I make this thread more complex and scholarly? Should I make it more down to earth? Should I place the United States of the Solar System in disaster and crisis mode? The doom and gloom threads seem to be doing quite well lately! Should I discuss the likely aftermath of an all-out interplanetary war? Should I produce my own version of 'When War Comes' or 'On the Beach'? Perhaps I should really pull out all of the stops, open the swell-shutters, and produce a complete thread-page of written material, each and every day, with no pictures, but with ample footnotes and big words. Should I do a play by play of the international news? Should I imitate Alex Jones, but in a more esoteric manner? Should I rant and rave about Bill and Kerry? Should I kick Dick? Should I get everyone on the Mists to start fighting with each other? Should I do an abraxasinas imitation? Should I eat my dragon, and join the Council of Thuban? Should I start a flesh-eating and blood-drinking cult or religion, even though there's already a glut in this market? Should I tell dirty jokes, and post soft porn? Should I just give everyone what they want, and tell them what they want to hear? Should I go through the Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, preaching and teaching the Truth of God from the Word of God? Or, should I just smoke a joint and get laid? I really like interviews, documentaries, and science-fiction. I like posting on the internet, but I really do need to lower my expectations. I also need to stop posting, and get serious about writing something which might actually pay my bills. Then I might get enough money to fix-up and redecorate my house, get a new car, get a bong, and seduce a beautiful young woman to discuss the interrelationship of psychology, ethics, politics, and religion in the context of the Old World Order, the New World Order, and the New Solar System - in a Post December 21, 2012 Solar System - with a special emphasis on control of the startgate system and the advanced ancient technology. After that, we could discuss what's REALLY underneath the Vatican. When we get everything all figured-out, then we might smoke pot and get laid. But perhaps we should wait until we get married. But why get married, and spoil a beautiful relationship? We'll compromise, and wait till the second date. "You gonna make me wear one of those rubbers Mildred? You know the church says it's a sin!" What would Joseph Fletcher say? What would Bishop James Pike say? Those backslidden Episcopalians! What? Pass the Port Tawny!

I continue to be interested in the ethics of how money is made - from fractional reserve banking, to selling people things they don't need and which aren't good for them, to day-trading the heck out of a security, to insider-trading, to tobacco and alcohol sales, to illegal and legal drugs, to taxation, to war blood money, to bank robbery, and on and on and on and on. Does competition and money-making usually involve some sort of deception and ill-intent? Do really nice, loving, and trusting people do well in business and athletics? Get out there and win, win, win - and make lots and lots of money! Should there be some sort of an ethics-rating connected with the GNP and the S&P Rating? Does one make money by loving their neighbor as themselves, and doing unto others as they would have others do unto them? Think about it, and be honest. Why prevent an illness or injury which could make our hospitals and doctors 100K - free and clear?! No margin? No mission! Wanna go for a ride in my new Ferrari? Ethics? What's ethics? What are you? Some kind of a nut? Just take the money and run? Screw the competition and your secretary! Right? Worrying about right and wrong all the time will put you in the poor-house and the nut-house! Right? Greed is good! Right? Did I miss anything? 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vscG3k91s58 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWshPH_jsjQ Don't get me wrong, I think the human race needs challenges and game-playing. I'd just like to see us take a higher road regarding the games people play. BTW, I'd love to go for a ride in an Enzo Ferrari, without taking anyone for a ride. One more thing. I was once in an audience of around 500 people, listening to Kenneth L. Woodward, Religion Editor for 'Newsweek', and people had been asking various questions. Well, I raised my hand, and asked a question about Christians and Money. I received a fairly generic answer, and then I noticed that no one had any more questions. Mr. Woodward commented on this, and closed the Q&A. As I previously mentioned, I asked Dr. Charles Windom (C. Everret Koop's boss) what percentage of the national healthcare expenditures were for prevention? A moderator intervened with 'That was a complicated question', and I didn't get an answer. The room was filled with medical doctors, and none of them said a word about this question and the lack of an answer. Should I turn my quest into a busines, or should I just keep casting my pearls for free? What Would Loki Do? I envision a Responsible Free-Enterprise where Responsibility is Rewarded and Irresponsibility is Punished. I really do want the good guys and gals to win in business, athletics, and in all areas of life. It seems to work in just the opposite manner presently. I will continue to conceptualize the most idealistic United States of the Solar System that I possibly can, in the context of real-world catastrophies and horrors. This concept would take a HUGE amount of time and effort to properly develop and implement. I still like the idea of a University of Solar System Studies and Governance, with campuses throughout the solar system, being at the core of a U.S.S.S. Peer review, study, research, graduate-student questions, etc. would help to keep things on the up and up -- but it would obviously not be a guarantee. I really do need a lot of help in developing this concept. This is just a brain-storm and a study-guide. This is the Dawning of a Brave New Solar System. Don't be frightened. I mean no harm. I am of peace. Always.

The following is a rephrasing of what I have already posted. Are we dealing with a Sirius A v Sirius B Civil War - Distally?  Are we dealing with an African (Sirius A) Old World Order v European and American (Sirius B) New World Order continuation of the hypothetical Sirian War in Heaven - Proximally? What were, and are, the issues in Sirius? What were, and are, the issues here? I have issues with the Pope, the Queen, the Queen of Heaven, and the God of This World -- but I don't know what the real issues have been -- going back thousands or even millions of years. We know that Adolph Hitler and Pope Pius XII did some questionable things in the 1930's and 1940's -- but who were they taking orders from -- and did they REALLY know what was going on?? I think that sorting this out could be VERY confusing and dangerous. What if Michael / Horus / Jesus is both a friend and an enemy of BOTH sides? What if he (or she?) has been both a peace-maker and a brutal-warrior? What if he or she is not even close to being perfect? What if Earth was supposed to be Paradise for the Orion Group from Sirius -- but turned out to be Purgatory and Hell? I don't think that physical and spiritual existence began on Earth. I don't think our problems began on Earth, and I don't think our problems will end if we get talked into going somewhere else. My immediate concern is to prevent the extinction of the human race, and to improve Purgatory. I might be aiming too low, but it's a start. One more thing. Xylanthia, which supposedly orbits Sirius C, has no night, because of its proximity to Sirius A and B. Revelation 22:5 speaks of no night in Heaven or the New Jerusalem. Some say that we are from Xylanthia. Check this out. http://xylanthia.com/ Interesting...

I'd still like to know what happened 2-4 months ago, relative to me and my views. I would appreciate articulations, pro or con, regarding what I have posted. I continue to be sluggish and passive, even though I hate being this way. I'm really easy to deal with, at this point, but I'm firming up my views, slowly but surely, so now would be an optimal time to debate me, and possibly change my mind. It might not be quite so easy in a year or two, although I intend to always remain open and honest.
Take another look at 'Star Wars', 'Battlestar Galactica' (I typed this 5 seconds before BSG was mentioned on the Alex Jones show!), 'The Event', 'V' (old and new), 'Avatar', and the Alex Jones documentaries. This all fits together. Once again, I am trying to be on everyone's side, rather than circling the wagons and closing my mind. I don't relish trench-warfare with anyone. Continue to use my work as a study-guide, rather than being the last word. (although I doubt anyone has done that!) I am defining areas of study, and I am posing questions, which will hopefully lead to some of the solutions we need. I'm hoping to become a better live and in-person debater, but I certainly have a long way to go in this regard. I have a burning desire to be a Master-Debater. I'm still a back of the room observer and commenter. But, really, perhaps that's the way it should stay. They say that it takes all kinds, and perhaps I fill some sort of a void. Who knows? Unrelatedly, perhaps I should spend a lot of time studying Sirius from both a scientific and a non-scientific perspective. Even the original 'V' in the 80's revealed the Visitors as being from Sirius. Old 'Dr. Who' episodes dealt with ET's from Sirius. Have there been any suggestions that Nibiru is Sirius C? If so, is a planet orbiting with it? What would happen to the motion of Sirius A and B if Sirius C were removed? It seems strange that the huge Sirius A would orbit the very small Sirius C dwarf-star. Any thoughts? Perhaps I should spend some quality time with Patricia Cori. Finally, is Zeus really Michael / Horus / Jesus? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuFhWvU1nbQ What do you think of the reincarnating archangel hypothesis? What if the mythologies and religions revolve around very real rival archangels? The myths and religions might be 90% fabrication, but might still contain 10% absolute truth ( plus or minus 5%). The various religions and myths might be different versions of the same things. A minor deity might create a myth of a major deity. In the beginning god created God? Perhaps both the fundamentalists and the atheists are wrong. God might not exist - but there might be a very real god. I suggest this with the deepest respect for the Universal Powers That Be. If God did not exist - it might be necessary for god to invent God. Perhaps the Figure of Jesus as the God/Man is a reasonable representation of a very real Divinity - as a Human Body with an Archangelic Soul. Perhaps God really is One of Us. Remember in 'The Day the Earth Stood Still' the ET said that his body was human. Perhaps all of us are ET's on the soul-level. Perhaps all of us are angelic at the soul-level. Once again, watch this Stargate SG-1 compilation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b365_qJEpDg It's somewhat sacrilegious, but it helps to illustrate my point. Think about it, and then talk to me. One more thing, I have a Bible I really like, although I suspect that many Christians would object to it, and I would understand why. It is the 'Remnant Study Bible - with E.G. White Comments'. It is a Red-Letter Edition, New King James Version of the Holy Bible, with Ellen White Quotations Throughout. I like the idea of studying Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John - and looking up the referenced texts throughout the Bible which are in fine-print. You might like to try this approach while listening to sacred classical music. I am not a big fan of Fundamentalist Innerrantists -- or of Backslidden Liberal Scoffers. I like the idea of alternating between liberal and conservative -- rather than being one or the other. Don't try to pin me down or pigeon-hole me. I won't cooperate...
I worry about who REALLY controls ALL of the WMD's in the Solar System. What if they are ALL controlled by a single organization, or even a single individual? My bias is that a New World Order Solar System Government has existed for thousands of years, after defeating an Old World Order Solar System Government, but this is mostly intuition and speculation. When UFO's shut-down a missile silo, it might be a staged show, wherein the Secret Government uses the Secret Space Program to appear to shut-down part of the Secret WMD Program. Are the WMD's currently in the Best of Hands or the Worst of Hands? Who knows? I know who knows, but they're not talking...

Has anyone thought about the Crystal Cathedral or St. Mary's Cathedral (or both) as being the symbolic headquarters of a hypothetical Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System, with the University of California system being the foundation of a University of Solar System Studies and Governance, tied into Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Los Alamos National Laboratory, Area 51, the Mag-Lev Train System, the DUMB's, and the Secret Space Program -- throughout the Solar System? Remember, this is a conceptual test. This is only a test. I get really nervous and uneasy whenever I think about this sort of thing. When I post this sort of thing, probably others do as well. The Cathedral Idea is really for glory, grandeur, pomp, and circumstance - with perhaps 2,000 of the 10,000 U.S.S.S. Representatives in attendance. If both Cathedrals were used, one could serve as the House, with the other as the Senate. All representatives would be united by a very secure and encrypted InterPlaNet SuperLuminal Internet System (Patent Pending). I keep wondering what the Pentagon, the Russians, and the Chinese would think of such a development? Would this result in a safer, or a more dangerous solar system? Lots of eyes would prevent corruption and megalomania -- but would this result in WMD Mass Confusion? All of this is VERY frightening for me to think about. Is it helpful for the general public to think about this subject? What do you think? I think this might be the crazy-stage in my thought process. Probably the DUMB's located throughout the Solar System would be where the 10,000 U.S.S.S. Representatives would reside. I'm nervous about having all of them in one location, or even having all of them on one moon or one planet. Perhaps the University of Solar System Studies and Governance would simply exist to provide an education to prospective Representative Candidates. I don't want corruption. I don't want incompetence. I don't want confusion. I don't want any bullshit whatsoever. Any questions? What would Dr. Strangelove say?
A Thousand Representatives (a thousand points of light?) in a single location would be a lot simpler, wouldn't it? Circular-seating for a thousand at St. Mary's? Or how about Mt. Weather? But how would they be chosen? How would they be kept safe? How would they be kept uncorrupted? How would they be hired and fired? What if one of them went rogue? What if they all went rogue? What would Percy and Nikita say? What if they suddenly all became demon possessed? I just think it would be cool to be around the 1,000 genuinely best and brightest beings in the solar system, for an extended period of time. The trouble is, the best ideas and intentions often turn to ashes. I like really, really smart and wise people who don't talk a lot, but when they do, they have a helluva lot to say, with very few words. Sometimes one sentence in one hour is more than enough. 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgSSRE27GQ0 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpL6EIMShO4&NR=1 3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It0Dtm1gFFQ&feature=related Imagine a roomful of people like Rachael (Angela Bassett) in 'Contact'. I have spoken to individuals who were like this, on very rare occasions. Is anyone following this thread? If so, are they keeping up with this madness? No matter how one puts things together, it always seems wrong somehow. Perhaps that's the way it is. What would Walter Cronkite say? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj0bwLBckkI What if the most competent individuals in the solar system are a roomful of Kabbalists, Nazis, and Dracs? The solar system might be stranger than we can possibly imagine. I'm frankly preparing myself for just about anything. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSzyO86Npj0 Who do you think Mr. Hadden is in real-life? Did Mr. Hadden live on a UFO/JET which rarely landed for anyone? Who is Rachel in real-life? Who is Palmer Joss in real-life? How does one keep the best and the brightest at the top of the heap, at all times -- rather than having the most corrupt and powerful at the top of the pyramid? Those who have the ability to make it to the top, might not do the best job at the top. So, how many individuals should be at the top of solar system governance? Where should they meet? What should they do?

Would a Theocratically-Implemented, Responsibility-Based, United States of the Solar System, with 10,000 PhD Representatives, keep the best and the brightest at the top? Who would compose the Theocratic aspect of this formula? How would they be chosen? What would they do? Would a theocratic aspect even need to exist? Does there need to be an authority of last resort? Or, should we just have a God or a Trinity of Gods run the whole solar system? Can a Good God become a Bad God? What if 95% of the solar system hates God? If there were no theocratic interaction whatsoever, what would be the fate of humanity in this solar system? Are we about to find out? It makes me wonder. It really makes me wonder. They supposedly had the best and the brightest at the Rand Corporation, but read 'Soldiers of Reason'. It'll scare the hell out of you. Then, read 'Family of Secrets'. When you're done with that, read 'The Secret Plot to Make Ted Kennedy President'. I keep getting the sinking feeling that things will always be a mess, no matter what we do. One incompetent and corrupt team replaces another incompetent and corrupt team replaces another incompetent and corrupt team replaces another incompetent and corrupt team. Everyone is an expert, and thinks they can do a better job, until they get their chance, and fall flat on their faces. "Spin-Doctors to the War-Room for Damage-Control! STAT!!" "Forget the economy!! It's appearances, STUPID!!" Imagine there's no idiots! It's easy, if you try! If there is a solar sytem war in progress, can all of you evolve just a little bit more? "Peace! Be still!" Take some Ex-Lax. Smoke a joint. Get laid. Do what you have to do to calm-down. Try really, really hard to think and behave rationally. How much of an Iron-Fist and a Titanium-Backbone is necessary to keep this Solar System from self-destructing? All we need is love? Why didn't I think of that? The rich and the clever always seem to profit from whatever situation exists. The good are often naive. The bad are often clever. How can we make sure that the best and the brightest run things, and continue to do the right thing, regardless of the temptations to do otherwise? One more thing. In 'Contact', why did the blind-guy tell the National Security Advisor, "It's nice to smell you"? I guess the bottom-line is that the fun never ends. We just keep going 'round and 'round in circles with our circular-reasoning and endless-fighting. World without end or reason. Amen Ra. Isis? Both? I know there are millions or even billions of people who are smarter than me, but how many people think like I do? Probably not very many. Is that a good thing or a bad thing? I continue to experience a tremendous sense of dread, combined with my incurable optimism and unyielding despair. Am I too good, or am I not good enough for you? Which is it? Both? Would you like me to hold your coats? You know where I live and work, if you'd like to talk to me. You even have my phone-number and email-address. On the other hand, perhaps I should just get out of Dodge...

I have mixed feelings about reptilian humanoid beings. If they were loving, kind, and ethical - I'd be willing to deal with them in kind - but I keep hearing horror stories. I really get the feeling that most of them don't like human beings one little bit. I don't doubt that there are exceptions, and I have stated repeatedly, that if I absolutely knew that I would not be harmed in any way, and that I wouldn't be kidnapped, I would hitch a ride on a Draconian Mothership or Queenship. Strange appearance and behavior wouldn't make me hate them. But if they enslaved, tortured, killed, and ate humans - the party would be over. I keep wondering if reptilian humanoids have the same type of soul as mammalian humanoids? I keep wondering if the human race has reptilian roots? Instead of being created by the reptilians as a slave race, what if we were the reptilians who created ourselves, so to speak, in a hybridization program? I know that 'Creating Ourselves' sounds strange, but I think we should consider all possibilities, no matter how ridiculous they might seem to be. I keep thinking that evil lurks behind Nibiru, Elenin, and Fukushima. I want this nasty madness to end. I'm not really sure what I'm doing on this thread. It really is a strange mix! What should this sort of thing be called, other than madness? I'm not representing myself as being any sort of authority or insider. I'm not selling anything, yet. I don't do channeling or regression. I've had some strange experiences, but I haven't gone looking for them, other than passively researching and being open to a wide variety of possibilities, including the possibility that bad guys and gals can become good guys and gals. I have been somewhat political, but I don't get involved in politics as usual. I see eye to eye with Alex Jones and Ron Paul, but my style is completely different than theirs. I speak of religion, yet I am a strange mixture of conservative and liberal, orthodox and heretic. I engage in fantasy and science-fiction, yet I try to make it as reality-based as possible. I think I might have an interesting reincarnational past, for a variety of reasons, yet I don't know what that past is. I chickened-out about doing an FOIA inquiry. Sometimes ignorance is bliss. One more thing. What is the relationship between North-Africa, the Vatican, the Nazis, the Persians, and Teutonic-Zionism? The answer to this question might have everything to do with the alleged Vatican Slush Fund Accounts, and with who owns the Presidents, Congress, Treasury, and the Supreme Court. There seems to be an underlying current of the Ancient Raiders of North African Civilization, which might've included the Lost Ark. I wonder if the Vatican and the Secret Government are reformable. I think there is a way to do it right, but what are the chances of this happening? Would a Vatican-Based, Namaste-Constitutional, Responsible-Freedom United States of the Solar System have a chance of properly cleaning things up, and setting this solar system on a proper course, going forward for thousands or millions of years? I tend to think that those who know the most about what's really going on in this solar system are at the highest and deepest levels of the Vatican, both figuratively and literally, if you know what I mean. I will continue to imagine myself as being a Renegade French Jesuit Organist. What a tangled tale I weave...

Don't be frightened. I mean no harm. Continue to watch everything and listen to everyone, without placing too much weight or trust in anyone or anything. Each day is a new day. Be prepared to start over every day. Today, I'm listening to an audio-version of the 'Book of Enoch'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKnTAbmHSrw&feature=related Here is the printed version. http://www.sherryshriner.com/books/complete_book_of_enoch.htm This thread is only a study-guide. It's only the beginning, and it just scratches the surface. The more I learn, the less I seem to know. Just keep researching and asking questions. Never stop, but this won't be easy. Things might be unimaginably difficult, but never give up. Namaste and Godspeed. I am of peace. Always.
The Indian Way is probably a valid and beneficial one, but I'm addicted to a pluralistic internet path, which is reflective and meditative, yet which is just the opposite of emptying one's mind. I wouldn't mind being a Renegade French Jesuit Organist living in a French Catholic Monastery with a Cray Supercomputer and a Sport-Model UFO! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enWiFcsBqIE Imagine what I'd be like if I took drugs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgNj2Sf_mgo Nestled deep in the postcard-perfect French Alps, the Grande Chartreuse is considered one of the world's most ascetic monasteries. In 1984, German filmmaker Philip Gröning wrote to the Carthusian order for permission to make a documentary about them. They said they would get back to him. Sixteen years later, they were ready. Gröning, sans crew or artificial lighting, lived in the monks' quarters for six months—filming their daily prayers, tasks, rituals and rare outdoor excursions. This transcendent, closely observed film seeks to embody a monastery, rather than simply depict one—it has no score, no voiceover and no archival footage. What remains is stunningly elemental: time, space and light. One of the most mesmerizing and poetic chronicles of spirituality ever created, INTO GREAT SILENCE dissolves the border between screen and audience with a total immersion into the hush of monastic life. More meditation than documentary, it's a rare, transformative theatrical experience for all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY45g8trFMY

I'm actually more interested in seeing what people do with the subjects I have briefly touched upon than I am with the thread itself. I'm sort of an intellectual pak-rat. I venture forth into the cold, cruel world - and just keep bringing back bits and pieces of this and that. This is really a 'Look what I just found! Now what are you gonna do!' thread. "OMG! Look what OXY dragged in! Yuck!" What do you think about the warnings of the coastlines being hit by earthquakes, walls of water, and chunks of the coastline falling into the ocean? I'm basing some of my conceptual work on Californian Cathedrals and the University of California Campuses, many of which are very close to the Pacific Ocean. I have a nasty vision of everything being set-up picture-perfect, and subsequently being utterly destroyed by the Vengeful Deities with unrighteous indignation...

Thank-you mudra. This is all way above what I can think about properly, which is why I keep asking for help and insights. I suspected a lot of this decades ago, but I decided not to get in over my head, and to not stick my nose where it didn't belong, so I just listened to Art Bell, and thought a lot. The internet changed everything. I was practicing the pipe-organ 4 or 5 years ago, and I seemed to hear a still, small voice, saying 'Everything is going to be revealed, and brought out into the open. There's going to be a big fight, and then things will be better.' I certainly hope that things will be better, but I'm not holding my breath...

Ortho you appear to be pointing to the dynamic where Jesus talks about the sabbath and what can a man do. I think of it in a manner as, if the light is there, it is there! And when the light is there it exists. You put it on a lampshade? I think the structure was dictated due to the amount of darkness were in. An alien darkness causing us to live in Sin. Morpheus? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morpheus_(mythology)

I think the fathers architecture is the bridge of his grace and compassion he has for us. For the World.

Thank-you magamud. I understand the need for a Clear, Concise, and Comprehensive System of Ethics, Law, and Law-Enforcement -- with a Reasonable System of Rewards and Punishments -- Preferably Applying Uniformly Throughout the Solar System -- but where the hell is it?? The Jews and the SDA Church made a HUGE deal about the Sabbath -- but Jesus didn't -- at least according to Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Paul didn't either. I'd have no problem observing the Sabbath in the right context -- but I'm contemplating what should rightly apply to EVERYONE in Modernity. Once again, I don't think 99.9% of us understand the sort of universe we REALLY live in. Dr. Walter Martin told me that he didn't have a problem with SDA's keeping the Seventh-Day Sabbath -- but he DID have a problem with how they made such a "Big-Deal About It". I am SO sick and tired of the bullshit. You have NO idea. I'm NOT rejecting groups or races I might've been loyal to previously (even in recent or ancient incarnations). I am NOT trying to throw ANYONE under the damn bus. I am simply attempting to understand what is ethical and appropriate in modernity. What religious understanding would emerge if one ONLY studied Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Solomon, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Lamentations, Ezekiel, and Daniel?? What would be involved in a strict observance of these ten books?? How much of Deuteronomy and Matthew do we find in these ten books?? This world is a religious and political nightmare. But really, we might NOT like the Savior who emerges from the shadows. Save Us From Our Saviors?!

Coincidentally I was trying to explain this but I got lost in the details.  I would say your running over it all the time and when you hit it, its to justify breaking free of any mold.  Its a strange thing.  You can scan it all the time but not actualize it.  Something with whole integration.  Is that our baggage we have to willfully take with us?  Probably so, and as to why one should practice ritual, exercise, muscle and order.  Physicality?  This does not include steroids.  


He figured out the world, no less being born for it.  With this access one can really see and be in time/space.  This is a main reason for the suppression of real energy.  The Nazis are afraid of the sovereign man.

This helps if people can reference the light.  Once you have you will find you dont need to tell people anything.

Now, if the ark of the covenant was burning day and night for 40 years?  What kind of power is coming with Jesus and his glory?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcWVL4B-4pI

There was a time when the Catholic Church kept the Bible away from the common man -- and did the Mass in Latin. Is Mystery a good thing?? What if they hadn't gotten so violent and corrupt?? Would there have been some merit to just going with the Latin Mass -- and then leaving everyone alone?? Just think of the beautiful churches and cathedrals!! I would NOT endorse building them today -- and certainly NOT financing their construction with Indulgences or other forms of Salvation4Sale!! But they're already built -- so why not enjoy them!! What if people participated in some sort of Liturgical Discipline (such as the Latin Mass) -- complete with Sacred Classical Music -- in Magnificent Architectural and Acoustical Environments -- at least once a week -- any day of the week -- and then studied and prayed on their own -- any damn way they wanted to???!!! It seems as if the Bible has been MASSIVELY Misunderstood, Misused, and Abused -- and the REAL Message does NOT seem to be a happy-clappy one anyway!! Work Hard!! Play Hard!! Pray Hard!! Why does it have to be much more complex than THAT??!! Why is this SO Hard??!!

I could be very wrong -- but it feels as if someone is really turning-up the supernatural-heat on me. It's more of the same -- but a lot more intense and unpleasant. This, combined with relative silence, makes me extremely apprehensive. Am I being Tested, Restrained, or Destroyed?? I am frankly fearful of BOTH Divinity and Humanity. Perhaps this solar system requires some sort of rebooting -- although I prefer a more selective and surgical approach. If I have anything to do with it -- the reprehensible evil in this solar system will be properly and justly dealt with. The Sanctuary will be Vindicated and Restored to it's Rightful State. The Wheels of Justice WILL Grind Exceedingly Fine -- Even if They Grind Me Finely...

Ortho,

Quit with the imagery will you? You know what you do and your "implants" and not becoming. Seriously, you have gone over the top with your lady high hitlers and your sexy nazi xxxxhes.... and I am not falling for your AED garbage any more.. No I do not know anything about who your AED is, and I don't care to know... He is probably some figment of your imageries you wish to conjure up in us. Or she. Or Artificial, whatever.. I am sorry if I come across as Curt, but maybe I am not. Am I? I am!

Ok, so time to chill with some thrill... I Love this clip, don't you?



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