Do you believe dimensions exist?

GODDESS OF PURPLE LIGHT wrote:

• Three dimensional consciousness – the consciousness of the
  personality
  
• Four dimensional consciousness – the consciousness of the causal
  vehicle or soul
  
• Five dimensional consciousness – the consciousness of spirit
  

Floyd wrote:There are lots of pretty and complicated diagrams around demonstrating various dimensions. Also there are lots of different people explaining where they are and how to get there. Clearly, the dimensions are objective whilst the experience of the dimension is subjective leading to the varied descriptions of such places. I think there is a lot of nonsense written about dimensions and Ascension and it is a misunderstood area. Im not in the habbit of copying and pasting the works of others but below is the wisest commenatry on Ascension and dimensions I have seen and personally I totally agree with it. Im sure not everyone will though but that doesnt really matter does it?

Fifth dimensional consciousness is a case in point (although I prefer
to use the term the consciousness of spirit). The events of 2012
present a very real opportunity for those who are prepared, because
developments will destroy all that is familiar to us and force the
stopper out of the bottle. If our minds can withstand this, if we can
hold up without the things which at present give us our identity, and
if, of course, we are still physically alive, we will face a new world
with new possibilities.

• Three dimensional consciousness – the consciousness of the
  personality
  
• Four dimensional consciousness – the consciousness of the causal
  vehicle or soul
  
• Five dimensional consciousness – the consciousness of spirit
  

The small print says that accessing higher consciousness does not
remove from us the responsibility to look after ourselves physically.
Physicality is the point of a Man. We are designed to walk on the Earth
and draw our creative inspiration from Heaven. The point of incarnation
is to come down to Earth and take our journeys onwards. If we don’t want
physicality then we don’t incarnate; and if we don’t look after our
physicality then we will not remain in incarnation.
The small print also says that the consciousness of spirit is not a
substitute for materiality; it is a supplement to it and made possible
by it. Then, if we live consciously and in alignment with the
requirements of spiritual consciousness, our physical bodies will be
subsumed in our spiritual being and we will ascend, a process which
removes us from the Planetary energy field. Until then we must share its
vicissitudes.

The wise person will not be sitting around waiting for ascension.
Literacy and communication, both expressions of throat centre energy
have opened wide the door to spiritual opportunity. The New Age was made
possible by them; but written sources can only point out the way, they
cannot take us on the journey beyond personality consciousness. Knowing
of something does not denote the ability to access it.


Personal power and a clear intention are the only things that can move
us out from the prison of self-reflection, which I will define as seeing
the world in terms of what we have experienced before, which is the
nature of personality consciousness.


Personal power comes from engaging with life and accepting its
challenges with detachment, not retreating into intellectualism. What
ideas abstracted from a practical context can do and have done is excite
and inflame the non-aligned personality until it is reeling with
self-importance. We have seen much of this in the last 25 years. The
Internet is encouraging a lot of virtual Masters. They know of many
things, but they cannot use their knowledge to bring about a result on
the material plane because they have no positive relationship with
materiality, and have no personal power as a consequence.


Knowing about the consciousness of spirit does not offer any of us
protection against anything, but it may inspire us to live our lives
differently, provided we still have that option. Then we may know it
indeed, and that would change everything.

dominic777 wrote:

Floyd wrote:There are lots of pretty and complicated diagrams around demonstrating various dimensions. Also there are lots of different people explaining where they are and how to get there. Clearly, the dimensions are objective whilst the experience of the dimension is subjective leading to the varied descriptions of such places. I think there is a lot of nonsense written about dimensions and Ascension and it is a misunderstood area. Im not in the habbit of copying and pasting the works of others but below is the wisest commenatry on Ascension and dimensions I have seen and personally I totally agree with it. Im sure not everyone will though but that doesnt really matter does it?

Fifth dimensional consciousness is a case in point (although I prefer
to use the term the consciousness of spirit). The events of 2012
present a very real opportunity for those who are prepared, because
developments will destroy all that is familiar to us and force the
stopper out of the bottle. If our minds can withstand this, if we can
hold up without the things which at present give us our identity, and
if, of course, we are still physically alive, we will face a new world
with new possibilities.

• Three dimensional consciousness – the consciousness of the
  personality
  
• Four dimensional consciousness – the consciousness of the causal
  vehicle or soul
  
• Five dimensional consciousness – the consciousness of spirit
  

The small print says that accessing higher consciousness does not
remove from us the responsibility to look after ourselves physically.
Physicality is the point of a Man. We are designed to walk on the Earth
and draw our creative inspiration from Heaven. The point of incarnation
is to come down to Earth and take our journeys onwards. If we don’t want
physicality then we don’t incarnate; and if we don’t look after our
physicality then we will not remain in incarnation.
The small print also says that the consciousness of spirit is not a
substitute for materiality; it is a supplement to it and made possible
by it. Then, if we live consciously and in alignment with the
requirements of spiritual consciousness, our physical bodies will be
subsumed in our spiritual being and we will ascend, a process which
removes us from the Planetary energy field. Until then we must share its
vicissitudes.

The wise person will not be sitting around waiting for ascension.
Literacy and communication, both expressions of throat centre energy
have opened wide the door to spiritual opportunity. The New Age was made
possible by them; but written sources can only point out the way, they
cannot take us on the journey beyond personality consciousness. Knowing
of something does not denote the ability to access it.


Personal power and a clear intention are the only things that can move
us out from the prison of self-reflection, which I will define as seeing
the world in terms of what we have experienced before, which is the
nature of personality consciousness.


Personal power comes from engaging with life and accepting its
challenges with detachment, not retreating into intellectualism. What
ideas abstracted from a practical context can do and have done is excite
and inflame the non-aligned personality until it is reeling with
self-importance. We have seen much of this in the last 25 years. The
Internet is encouraging a lot of virtual Masters. They know of many
things, but they cannot use their knowledge to bring about a result on
the material plane because they have no positive relationship with
materiality, and have no personal power as a consequence.


Knowing about the consciousness of spirit does not offer any of us
protection against anything, but it may inspire us to live our lives
differently, provided we still have that option. Then we may know it
indeed, and that would change everything.

Hello Floyd
Therefore you see dimensions as consciousness instaed of solid matter?
lol

Floyd wrote:

dominic777 wrote:

Floyd wrote:There are lots of pretty and complicated diagrams around demonstrating various dimensions. Also there are lots of different people explaining where they are and how to get there. Clearly, the dimensions are objective whilst the experience of the dimension is subjective leading to the varied descriptions of such places. I think there is a lot of nonsense written about dimensions and Ascension and it is a misunderstood area. Im not in the habbit of copying and pasting the works of others but below is the wisest commenatry on Ascension and dimensions I have seen and personally I totally agree with it. Im sure not everyone will though but that doesnt really matter does it?

Fifth dimensional consciousness is a case in point (although I prefer
to use the term the consciousness of spirit). The events of 2012
present a very real opportunity for those who are prepared, because
developments will destroy all that is familiar to us and force the
stopper out of the bottle. If our minds can withstand this, if we can
hold up without the things which at present give us our identity, and
if, of course, we are still physically alive, we will face a new world
with new possibilities.

• Three dimensional consciousness – the consciousness of the
  personality
  
• Four dimensional consciousness – the consciousness of the causal
  vehicle or soul
  
• Five dimensional consciousness – the consciousness of spirit
  

The small print says that accessing higher consciousness does not
remove from us the responsibility to look after ourselves physically.
Physicality is the point of a Man. We are designed to walk on the Earth
and draw our creative inspiration from Heaven. The point of incarnation
is to come down to Earth and take our journeys onwards. If we don’t want
physicality then we don’t incarnate; and if we don’t look after our
physicality then we will not remain in incarnation.
The small print also says that the consciousness of spirit is not a
substitute for materiality; it is a supplement to it and made possible
by it. Then, if we live consciously and in alignment with the
requirements of spiritual consciousness, our physical bodies will be
subsumed in our spiritual being and we will ascend, a process which
removes us from the Planetary energy field. Until then we must share its
vicissitudes.

The wise person will not be sitting around waiting for ascension.
Literacy and communication, both expressions of throat centre energy
have opened wide the door to spiritual opportunity. The New Age was made
possible by them; but written sources can only point out the way, they
cannot take us on the journey beyond personality consciousness. Knowing
of something does not denote the ability to access it.


Personal power and a clear intention are the only things that can move
us out from the prison of self-reflection, which I will define as seeing
the world in terms of what we have experienced before, which is the
nature of personality consciousness.


Personal power comes from engaging with life and accepting its
challenges with detachment, not retreating into intellectualism. What
ideas abstracted from a practical context can do and have done is excite
and inflame the non-aligned personality until it is reeling with
self-importance. We have seen much of this in the last 25 years. The
Internet is encouraging a lot of virtual Masters. They know of many
things, but they cannot use their knowledge to bring about a result on
the material plane because they have no positive relationship with
materiality, and have no personal power as a consequence.


Knowing about the consciousness of spirit does not offer any of us
protection against anything, but it may inspire us to live our lives
differently, provided we still have that option. Then we may know it
indeed, and that would change everything.

Hello Floyd
Therefore you see dimensions as consciousness instaed of solid matter?
lol

Hi Dom
I dont see anything as solid matter lol

Floyd wrote:I dont generally buy into this theory of Ascension as on a personality or egoic level it reeks of self importance and there is a danger of elitist tendencies.
I view changes from a planetary perspective and not from the individuals. If events transpire that see the planet shifts its axis and as a result there is a dimensional split then whatever dimension a body resides on, its consciousness would be relevant to that. You couldnt have two bodies existing simultaneously on different dimensions. Perhaps your consciousness could have some other perceptions of other dimensions but not the body.
It maybe that the consciousness of some people at the moment are bursting out of their 3D habitats experiencing facets of 4D and 5D and so on. Ive heard this referred to as the ghastly term ascension sickness aswell as DNA acceleration...im sure there are other such terms.
If the planet raises its frequency to a higher dimension then only enties that can resonate within that frequency could subsist on it. It would be a symbiotic process between the new planet and its new inhabitants but on the terms of the planet.
Whether or not a human individual would be able to depart 3D at the time of a dimension split would depend on the condition of their consciousness leading up to and at the time of the splitting of the dimensions.
So to answer your question, there would first be a change in the consciousness of the individual that would resonate with the planetary consciousness at the time of a dimensional split allowing that individual to reside on the new planet in a different dimension. The individual would no longer exist on the old dimension and would lose many facets of consciousness associated with such a state of being.
Therefore the body is just a vehicle for the consciousness but both are able to change to allow residence on a new planet in a different dimension.

Im not saying thats right but thats just how In see it.
now im going for a coffee as mu brain hurts!!!

ClearWater wrote:Hi Dominic,

Thank you for posing the question. I've never really thought about this subject before, but this is what came to my mind when reading your post...

There are many, many colors. We take these numerous different colors and put them into smaller groups (maroon and burgundy would both be considered red, for example). I won't try to go into why we tend to simplify things, but it's something we do constantly in all areas of our lives.

I think that sometimes in our attempts to simplify things, we actually make them more complex...
Perhaps we began by using a different word for each different color, but there were too many different colors to remember so we started to call many similar looking colors by the same name. Makes sense for various reasons.... The problem is that we now have to try to come up with some criteria to separate the colors (what makes one color red, while another is pink, for example? Or are red and pink actually the same, and if they're the same, do we call them red or do we call them pink, or do we come up with an entirely new name for them?) So, as I said, in our attempt to make things simpler, we actually make them more complex.

What makes one color different from another? The obvious answer is...they look different.
What causes one color to look different from another? The eye/brain perceives differences according to vibration.
So then, what is color? It is vibration (simple, right?)

What point am I trying to make? We tend to TRY to simplify things by separating them, thinking that if we can isolate something we can better understand it. The result is that we actually make things more complex and more difficult to understand. The way to simplify things so that we can better understand them is to unite them. My brief discussion about color clearly illustrates this.

Dimensions and colors are one. They are vibration.
I cannot see infrared or ultraviolet. Does this mean they don't exist?
I can see red and violet. Does this mean they exist?
Does something exists according to our ability to perceive it?
What is 'existence'? Is it a relative term, as opposed to something which doesn't exist? Wouldn't that mean that 'non existence' exists...



My personal assessment... One vibration is not separate from another.
There are not separate vibrations. There is vibration.
In attempting to separate vibration into vibrations (Why would we do that? But we do...), everything becomes nonsensical...and the more we try to make sense of it by dissecting it, the less sense it makes.

Floyd wrote:What you are saying than is that are is only one vibration presumably with different aspects. Are you also saying that a vibration is the same is a dimension or that dimensions are the same as vibrations, that is to say there is only one dimension.
From what I can understand then you are saying there is only one vibration/dimension with composite sub dimensions/vibrations that fascilitate the existence of seemingly different dimensions and or vibrations and those things within then when perceived from the point of view a thing that is not the vibration/dimension in itself or the creator of.
How ever. As a human being I would say it is impossible to know how many vibrations or dimensions there are as our imprisoned consciousness would not have the experience of such one vibrational,one dimensional existence. If there was only one vibration then why cant we do what we want, teleport where we like etc. Why do we put so much import on 4D and 5D if there is ony SuperD
It may be the case there is only one meta vibration or one meta dimension but as humans we will never understand it or experience it. As beings existing within the seeming confines of a particular dimension, we have to work with what we have got. Maybe there is room for promotion though and perhaps in some timeless eon in a non locational sate of being we will be able to experience the blissful state of one vibrationality.

Floyd wrote:Hi.
When you refer to I AM what does that pertain to? A soul, a consciousness, a body or some kind of kind or supreme experiencier. Is the all encomposing experiencer a seperate being from the being that partakes in limited physicality. Is it though the peep hole of expanded consciousness that the physical being realises HE IS or is he actually part of SOMETHING ELSE? that is to say he/her is not the experienced but the experiencer.

Floyd wrote:I was wondering guys if WE ARE then what is the point of bothering about dimensions and ascension. Surley we could die happy on a devestated 3D planet in the knowlege that there is only oneness.

Floyd wrote:Why do so called enlightened people, those who think they are ready for ascending, hanker for new dimensions if it is the case we can find the truth in this one. Or can we. What unknown truths does 5D consciousness hold. I would say many that would blow our tiny human minds into thousands of splintering pieces scattering our tiny egos over billions of light years of endless nothingness.
Amen

ClearWater wrote:

Floyd wrote:Hi.
When you refer to I AM what does that pertain to? A soul, a consciousness, a body or some kind of kind or supreme experiencier. Is the all encomposing experiencer a seperate being from the being that partakes in limited physicality. Is it though the peep hole of expanded consciousness that the physical being realises HE IS or is he actually part of SOMETHING ELSE? that is to say he/her is not the experienced but the experiencer.

First off, I have very little knowledge about dimensions, and anything I write is just what pops into mind as I read posts...take it for what it's worth...

When I refer to I AM, I am referring to the core and (perhaps paradoxically) the totality of beingness. This would include everything, and would not be restricted to anything in particular. I AM ALL. I am not restricted to being either the experiencer or the experienced. I am neither in particular. I am both simultaneously. I AM the experiencer. I AM the experienced. The experiencer and the experienced are inseparable. They are one.

Floyd wrote:I was wondering guys if WE ARE then what is the point of bothering about dimensions and ascension. Surley we could die happy on a devestated 3D planet in the knowlege that there is only oneness.

I generally do not bother with dimensions or ascension, and I will 'die happy' irregardless of ANY circumstances. I suppose this is a result of a certain 'knowing', but when I use the word 'knowing', I am not necessarily referring to intellectual understanding.

Floyd wrote:Why do so called enlightened people, those who think they are ready for ascending, hanker for new dimensions if it is the case we can find the truth in this one. Or can we. What unknown truths does 5D consciousness hold. I would say many that would blow our tiny human minds into thousands of splintering pieces scattering our tiny egos over billions of light years of endless nothingness.
Amen

Perhaps the 'so called' enlightened people are those who are realizing that they are more than their bodies, minds, and experiences. Perhaps a person who is realizing this begins to search for what that 'more' actually is. Perhaps, also, these people would tend to search for this 'more' by using techniques that are familiar to them. Perhaps these techniques are very effective for 'searching', but are not very effective for 'finding' that which is being searched for.
Because...
These techniques assume that this 'more' is something separate which can be found 'out there'. It is not something separate. It cannot be found 'out there'. I AM that 'more'. YOU ARE that more. You and I are one.

Love and Gratitude!

When you refer to I AM what does that pertain to? A soul, a consciousness, a body or some kind of kind or supreme experiencier. Is the all encomposing experiencer a seperate being from the being that partakes in limited physicality. Is it though the peep hole of expanded consciousness that the physical being realises HE IS or is he actually part of SOMETHING ELSE? that is to say he/her is not the experienced but the experiencer.