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    John Lear says..........

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    Post  Sanicle Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:55 pm

    Hmmm. Interesting stuff on our friend Billy Meier.

    I supported the Bill Meier case.
    Quoting: johnlear


    There you lost me. Good luck with your thread nevertheless. Meier is a long proven hoax.
    Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1370282


    That means you haven't been to Switzerland, talked to Billy, looked at the grounds, or talked to Wendelle, Britt or Lee but thats ok.

    The Meiers case has been so contaminated with government disinfo I don't blame you.

    You would have had to been in on the invesigation from the beginning.

    Why to you think Michael Malin is now head of Malin Space Systems? Because of his good looks? No. Michael is the head of Malin Space Systems which is the sole contractor for any Mars photo because he made a promise..

    The promise was that he, Michael Malin, would stop backing the Billy Meier case.

    All the best.
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    Post  Sanicle Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:01 am

    orthodoxymoron wrote:A couple of years ago, Edgar Mitchell was on 'The Veritas Show' and was asked if he saw anything of an extraterrestrial and/or ufo nature on the Moon? (I can't remember the exact wording) -- and he started breathing heavily -- he didn't answer the question -- and then the phone connection was lost (or he hung up). It was very strange. I once talked to Edgar Mitchell about Life After Death (of all things)! We didn't talk about the Moon at all!!! Regarding Jesus -- What if the Truth Concerning Jesus is so devastating that It Cannot Be Told??? What if it's expedient and efficient just to say he never existed and that Christianity is a load of BS??? What if a lot of atheists simply don't wish to deal with the Harsh Theological Realities? Perhaps the Jesus Problem is right in the middle of the Biggest Secret. What if Jesus is too big of a Can of Worms for the general public to digest??? Just wondering.
    Sounds like there's some very sad doings around Mr Mitchell, poor man. Living in fear is a terrible thing.

    BTW Oxy, I meant to ask you earlier what conclusions you came to after the search you say you did on 'historical Jesus' were. For or against? I've looked at quite a few sites who argue for both sides but I know with your clever mind and ability to look at the info objectively (despite it causing pain in you emotionally) that your view would be worth listening to.

    Or do you think it's a subject best left alone?
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    Post  Sanicle Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:08 am

    More from him on space travel as it relates to the Apollo Missons.....
    Has the issue of radiation exposure in relationship to the alleged Apollo missions ever been adequately addressed within the mainstream culture?

    More specifically, is it true that one reason for why astronauts could not have been sent to the Moon is that the exposure to radiation that they would receive in space would be absolutely lethal for them if they were forced to depend on conventional technology for shielding from this radiation? This is what I have heard and I was wondering if you know more about this.

    Thanks, John!
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    Thank you AC, those are very kind words.

    On January 31, 1958 Explorer 1 was launched from Cape Canaveral.

    On this rocket, Dr. James Van Allen had placed a geiger counter.

    He knew that earlier stratospheric balloons had already registered high radioactive counts so the results of Explorer 1 were not really unexpected.

    Explorer 1's orbit was elliptical 360-2500 kilometers.
    As the rocket climbed, the Geiger counter went off the scale and then quit.

    So then Explorer 2 was launched on March 5, 1958. but never reached orbit because of rocket failure.

    Explorer 3 was then launched on May 26, 1958. As Explorer three got higher, the radioactivity was so strong the Geiger counter went to max, overloaded and failed. No more readings.

    One of the scientists present at the launch Ernie Gray exclaimed, "My God, space is radioactive!"

    The amount of radiation measured from Explorers 1 and 3 exceeded the capacity of the instruments by a factor of 1000. (America's Space Science Institute.)

    To make matters worse the U.S. began launching nuclear bombs from Johnston Island into the stratosphere over the Pacific seriously altering the shape of the Van Allen belt and increasing its intensity and in addition creating a lower Van Allen belt. Some allege that scientists were trying to 'blow up' the Van Allen belt but simply made it worse.

    I estimate that the bombs detonated in the stratosphere in the late 50's and early 60's by the U.S. and Russia dropped more harmful radiation on the world than 10 times what the Japan nuclear disaster has released to date, and that between 1958 and 1980 there were 3 separate attempts to 'blow up ' the Van Allen belt, each attempt causing more damage than the last.

    The shielding capacity of the Apollo capsule was only 7.5 thousands of the shielding provided by the Earth's atmosphere and magnetic field at the equator.

    This means that comparatively speaking the Apollo astronauts would have been flying naked thorough the Van Allen belts if they had truly gone into space.

    Shielding equal to that on earth would have required a wall of water 30 feet thick or a lead wall about 34 inches thick.
    Current NAZA disinformation artists would have you believe that the Apollo astronauts went on the 'edge' of the Van Allen belt (there is no 'edge', it is solid from 500 miles to 25,000 miles) and that anyway 'they were going too fast for radiation to harm them.'

    Informed scientists say that the astronauts, if they had actually flown through the Van Allen belt the astronauts would have received 900 mSv in the one and a half hours it would have taken to go through the Van Allen belt. And the same on the alleged trip back.

    0.5-1 Sv: Changes in blood count, reddening of the skin. in some cases nausea, vomiting, rarely death.
    1-2 Sv Detrimental effects on bone marrow, vomiting, nausea, general sense of being unwell 20% mortality.
    Have a great day.

    *(much of the preceeding was taken from "One Small Step" The Great Moon Hoax and the Race to Dominate Earth From Space by Gerhard Wisnewski. I recommend purchasing the book asap.)
    http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1468214/pg32

    I think we're getting the general picture of why John Lear thinks the way he does about these Apollo Missions, the Moon, etc. I won't post anymore on it unless something really stands out. Or you can take a look at the thread yourselves. Cheerful
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    Post  Sanicle Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:00 am

    This is interesting. John posted the views of his friend 'Sleeper' as to what he believes about Souls.
    A few words about the soul from my friend sleeper:


    The Soul

    Our souls are attached to the bodies we resided in, we are here inside a machine we call a human body----the pain is real, the joy is real, hate and love are real----
    They say you can’t take it with you when you die----not quite true, everyone leaves earth with plenty of baggage----all the pain you caused to others and yourself, and all the joy you created for you and others---that all goes with you when you die.

    Your soul is priceless and there is a huge amount of energy being expanded on your behalf---as is true for all of us.

    Once you are on the other side you have certain options and life choices you can choose from for your next life----perhaps you might want to be a leader of a country, a general in some army, a school teacher, or a janitor. Depending on what level of consciousness you are----determines how many things you can pick from----and the quality of those things.

    You can also be someone who is selfless, like a mother Theresa----or return to earth to help a family member or friend.

    After you make your choice you will be placed into circumstances that lead you to those positions in life.
    Anything you chose is not a guarantee of success or happiness----you have to make those things happen for yourself-----once you are in the shoes of a world leader or super stars like John Belushi, Jimi Hendrix, and Janis Joplin you will learn that those lofty positions are not necessarily easy street-----as you pointed out.

    All life forms are sophisticated machines without souls, however a soul is a soul----and a soul can enter into any machine including pets and insects-----for a variety of purposes including entertainment or punishment----the machine one enters into determines what that soul can or can’t do-----anything less than a human life can be a very boring and tedious existence for a soul.

    Stars and planets are being created by the billions as we speak----a process that has no beginning or ending----new stars and planets replace dieing ones-----unlike stars most souls live forever----some die for a number of reasons including extinguishing themselves----freewill having got the best of them and they refuse to go on.

    Who creates souls? A god? A committee of super beings? A soul machine? A mad scientist?-----souls are created in a similar way as we procreate here on earth----through immense love----on earth it takes the love of two people to reproduce a human machine---body----and then a soul is inserted.

    Creating a soul is accomplished by a number of souls who have reached a high level of unconditional love----and this soul becomes a part of their community----or family.

    Humans could make the machine through cloning but they never will have the ability to transfer the soul from one body to the next----without ET.

    Hypothetically if ET allows humans to successful clone a human a soul of ET’s choosing will be placed into the body----ET has always used clones for themselves and for humans that work for them to enter into.

    Will humans ever create a mechanical replacement for themselves for the purpose of extending their lives----no, it’s not allowed. Humans are placed into baby bodies so that they have a new slate to work from without the distractions of other lives or experiences. Once you leave this life you don’t need a mechanical or physical contraption to exist.

    The soul is advanced beyond what we are allowed to do here on earth. The soul has been to neighboring stars and other galaxies----unless you are brand new.

    Humans on this planet will not travel outside this solar system while they are alive or in human bodies.
    This is not Hollywood, Star Trek type of travel is not in the cards for earth.

    Life never ends unless you opt out or are thrown out----most souls remain in the universe for a long time----even forever.

    The souls on the other side are pure energy and some exhibit more light than others----some are radiant----when a Christian comes in contact with a radiant being they see Jesus, when a Buddhist sees a radiant being they see Buddha---a Muslim would see Allah, etc----even when it’s the same being.

    The soul cannot be given away or taken away from anyone----your soul belongs to you----you are stuck with it for a long time. The soul is energy not the kind we are familiar with on this planet but energy nonetheless---the only difference is that some souls have more of it than others.

    Human souls and the collective energy of the bazillions of other souls in this and other galaxies is the petrol that fuels the universe. However, it may not feel like it while we are stuck here in the 9 to 5 doldrums called life-----but the view gets better the higher up you go.

    After the soul reaches a certain level reincarnation is a choice------besides, at higher levels life becomes enjoyable and without stress, and is nothing like we experience here on earth regardless of whether you are in a physical type body or a free spirit.

    Past mistakes are irrelevant----the only thing that counts is what you do with this life---which will determine what you do next. Souls are not for sale----we can’t even give them away----we are stuck with our souls for a long time----through good times and bad-----like marriage. Our deepest desires cannot be fulfilled by others----they can be facilitated by others but we are willing participants in the outcome. Humans are free to sell themselves short-----that’s the extent of the soul trade.

    Souls on earth are mostly attached inside of a human body, us-----spirits are souls that have left the body at death and are roaming around this world for any number of reasons----they have regrets after they passed away, they are lost and confused, or they have been given an opportunity to visit a place or a person.

    They come from a place like heaven, where souls are in various stages of physical spiritual energy depending on their level of enlightenment. No machines, souls are on their own for the most part---every soul knows its limits----where they can go and what they can do.

    Undesirables and those in trouble are escorted by ETs and may have no freedom but to reenter earth or another planet.
    Most entering earth are designated where they will be born and under what conditions---there is no tossing of the dice.

    Physics do not apply to souls----those souls that are free to travel do so according to their level of privilege---some travel in ships others get around through will----they can travel light years at the speed of thought----they can materialize or remain invisible. Ever feel like someone is watching you when you are alone? -----No human is ever alone.

    There are no statistical equations for the soul as there is with planets and stars, we can even calculate to a certain degree what matter can do----but not what it is once we take it to the quantum level and beyond.The stuff souls are made of will always remain far deep behind that quantum curtain, more so than the mystical strings, superstrings, bosons and fermions----and the stuff dreams are made of.Yes you have to be in the ranks of ET to know what souls are.

    The soul is the 4th dimension.

    Once we are free of our bodies we become infinitely more aware. The body is the power plant that keeps the brain alive and the soul entrapped---and restricted.

    The soul consumes no energy, instead it creates energy and can manipulate matter----the higher up the soul is.
    http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1468214/pg47
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:57 am

    Sanicle, consider reading 'The Quest of the Historical Jesus' by Albert Schweitzer -- 'Jesus: Last of the Pharaohs' by Ralph Ellis -- and 'The Desire of Ages' by Ellen White. I lean toward the Teachings of Jesus (even though I don't think all of them originated from Jesus) -- but I'm uncomfortable with the traditional Jesus Story. I think the story has probably been tampered with -- and large chunks of the story have been completely removed, and locked away in underground vaults. I presently think the Story of Jesus is the story of a Reincarnating Archangel -- who might've even been an Ancient Reptilian Queen who was instrumental in the Creation of the Human Race -- and who has been part of the Human Family, right from the beginning -- and who never left, and who is alive and well and living on Planet Earth at this very moment -- probably in a very non-messianic manner -- and that most Christians would probably want nothing to do with him -- necessitating the training of a Substitute Jesus -- to play the role of Jesus in a Staged Second Coming of Christ -- which might be part of some God Forsaken Alien Agenda. One more thing, if the Human Body is No Good and So Damned Restrictive -- Why Don't We All Commit Suicide -- and Become Free at Long Last?
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    Post  devakas Sat Feb 18, 2012 5:29 pm


    who is this Sleeper that talks about soul? interesting
    thanks Sanicle for posting

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