The Full of Crap Files

But one thing is sure -we all just had enough of crap, horse dung or just sheer

I `ll take a bit of funny end here
for all those second hand folks...

Second hand is second hand... always used and dirty...
No matter how you wash it ,it always comes with some stain or ripped part...

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Beg your pardon Beren? I buy secondhand all the time and once in awhile come up with a real gem from secondhand that is first hand!! No stains, no fuss, no muss!

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Jester, some of them know they are full of crap, some are 'doing a job' and some really do believe in what they are saying but nothing ever comes of it. I have a certain amount of empathy for the latter but none for the former two as they are obviously working against the best interests of the human race.



Many of these villains are quite clearly off the scale.

gscraig wrote:

In regards to the Meier ray gun photo. LOL..Yeah, that cracked me up too back when I first seen it and my immediate reaction was "fake". It's interesting that we would reach for the most questionable item to make an argument.

Yes here is the alien (face off cam) holding a ray gun.


Its not just this that helps us to refute Meier however. There is the dubious authenticity of his Talmud Jmmanuel.
http://home.swipnet.se/corbie/Fuskwww/talmud.html

Here is a passage from it:
“And if two men bed down with each other, they should also be punished, because the fallible are unworthy of life and its laws and behave heretically; thus they should be castrated, expelled and banished before the people. If, however, two women bed down with one another, they should not be punished, because they do not violate life and its laws, since they are not inseminating, but are bearing” (12:6-7)

Oh dear. Very unfortunate if one happens to be a gay male then, but there is more-


It is written, however, 'whosoever commits adultery and fornication shall be punished, because the fallible are unworthy of life and its laws;thus they shall be castrated or sterilized 12:4


Its ok if you are a lesbian though as inseminating is not involved. maybe he just likes to watch. I can see why people would get on their high horse being indoctrinated with this bile.

I cant believe I am reading this crap. Im 'assuming' that the followers of Meiers pseudo religion follow these edicts.

There is a distinct anti semetic tone that which in all fairness is not uncommon in new age thought. For example, Jewish groups abhor the writings of Alice Bailey as they think it riddled with anti zionism. The exact details of that particular argument are debatable but there is no doubt Bailey was calling for the collapse of the major religions. This, in part, is why Christianity and Judaism have unleashed a wave of propaganda against the so called new age movement and paganism.

Truly, I say to you: the nation of Israel was never one distinct people and has at all times lived with murder, robbery and fire. They have acquired this land through ruse and murder in abominable, predatory wars, slaughtering their best friends like wild animals. May the nation of Israel be cursed until the end of the world and never find its peace.(10:26-27)


I detect a lot of hatred thus far, homophobia and anti semitism. There is one thing to be critical of Zionism but hatred against an entire race of people is a let down is it not? There are similarities here with Arisophy, the bastard offspring of Theosophy. A Teutonic, Nordic religion contrived by white supremacist esotericists in pre war Germany.


I cant go on.. I have seen enough.

There is much more to this man than tin foil space suits and plastic lazer pistols.
Dig a little deeper and you will find the theology of this invented religion is racist and homophobic.

I would say the man is somewhat twisted.

This video alleges Meier is a cult leader. His ex wife also outs him as a fraud. Having seen him build a pseudo religion around his fake UFO images it is understandable.

This man, Billy Meier, has done more to discredit the UFO movement than any skeptic or debunker.

Thanks Floyd. Not good when your ex wife testifies against you.

Now if George Green was basing his info off of Billie's contact with the Pleidians......hmmmmmmmm

Floyd wrote:You know its always funny Beren when people talk about experience when they have absolutely no idea what another has experienced . Assumptions more than often lead to nothing.

On Collier, I kind of like him in a weird kind of way. I almost feel sorry for him. And I dont know why.

Hi Floyd! Something struck me about this statement particularly the part in red. Very true! And I believe that is where you have to draw the line.

Someone also addressed secondhand information. Let's face it....ALL of history before you were born is "secondhand"....so at some time you have to decide what to believe. Facts and drawn conclusions would form opinions based on such historical facts given. I believe we (humanity) often base our actions from past history.

So in the case of Billy Meier....it's like a card game.....for every debunk video I'm in... and raise you...LOL






I often wonder why when debunking Billy no one mentions Michael Horn? Now there's a guy I don't trust at all! In fact I have this nagging feeling he is the one who intentionally while supporting Billy is in fact doing him more harm than good. But nobody seems to raise this point. Ex wives debunking? Nah..she wouldn't have a reason to harm Billy now would she?

I personally don't know enough about Billy..but something tells me he has been compromised somewhere and I get again this nagging feeling it's through the efforts of Michael Horn.

Funny how that would work as well seeing as he is such a great supported. Now of course....it all boils down to perceptions...those of Billy and the audience that watches.

If you would believe history as it's been documented in ancient tales....there was this group called Knights Templar who existed for two century's. Documented history and much secret information is eluded.

Better yet.....the Tale of Atlantis mentioned in history by Plato....yet so may theory's and conjecture.

Fact is unless like you stated.....and one has 'Experienced it'....Assumptions more often lead to nothing.

Now while I have your attention......the latest in the THEATER of DRAMA of one Mr. Wilcox.....Whoa!!!!!!!!!! This just keeps getting better and better eh?

I will only quote his last statement LOL the rest you may give him yet another "HIT/VIEW" to swell his head a bit for the better....

TO BE CONTINUED -- IN PART THREE!

[color=darkred]ar in mind that Keenan and Scott, those named in the
trillion-dollar lawsuit, are unaware of the information provided by JL. I
do not wish to damage their credibility in any way. They have no
knowledge of extraterrestrials that I am aware of.

I am not trying to say one group is right and one group is wrong. I'm
just presenting you with the information I am receiving, and packaging
it the best way I possibly can, so you can make up your own mind.

I am also aware that very little of the insider testimony I've shared
here can be proven with documentable data at this point. I've done my
best to connect the dots to outside sources wherever possible.

Nonetheless, the credibility of Jade Lion has been firmly established
to me -- and this is tying together many different puzzle pieces I've
been aware of for years now. I find this quite fascinating -- and I am
sharing the discovery process with you as I go.]

And the HITS just keep on rollin' (link below)

http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/1022-lawsuit-end-tyranny-ii

Pleiadians

http://www.skepdic.com/pleiades.html

The Pleiadians are alien beings from the star cluster in the constellation Taurus known as the Pleiades. Barbara Marciniak claims that the Pleiadians chose her to be their messenger. She reveals this in her channeled book, Bringers of the Dawn. According to Marciniak the message is: "If you can clear people of their personal information, they can go cosmic."

Billy Meier (Eduard Albert Meier-Zafiriou), on the other hand, has no book but does have many photos to back up his claim that the Pleiadians have contacted him and given him all the details inquiring minds need to know. Underground Video claims that an investigation of his photos reveals that Billy is a hoaxer. Karl Korff also exposed the hoax, claiming that some of the photos of spaceships were models with bonsai plants as background. One of Billy's photos is claimed to be that a Pleiadian named Semjase, but in fact may have been taken from an old Sears catalog. Billy also claimed that Semjase or some other Pleiadian gave him a piece of alien metal that was analyzed by some character named Vogel [bird in German], but nobody seems to know where this otherworldly metal might be.* A check of www.billymeier.com under "scientific evidence," when it was operating, yielded nothing but a blank page.

One problem with the Pleiadian hypothesis is that the stars in the Pleiades are only tens of millions of years old, while billions of years are needed to develop planets with life and civilizations.*

Also why are they from a star cluster? Wouldn't they be from a planet that orbited around one of the suns?

And if you were there, Pleiades, would it still look like a cluster of 7 stars? Wouldn't the stars still be millions of miles apart?

Something here does add up if you stop and think about it.

@Brook.

Funny you would mention Michael Horn.

You know about the other forum I am onm as you were on there also. (The Force)

Well we started a thread where we were discussing Michael bad mouthing Alex Collier. Well lo and behold if Michael didn't join our forum and started posting.

http://theforceiswithinyou.twilightlegend.net/t3854p15-michael-horn-theyflycom?highlight=michael+horn


It started out fairly friendly, but soon turned ugly. This guy came across very badly and soon everyone got their backs up against him. We figured he was trying to get more hits for his website.

Here is Michael's attempt to prove photo s are not fake.

http://theyfly.com/Final_Proof_Hasenbol.html

Jenetta wrote:But one thing is sure -we all just had enough of crap, horse dung or just sheer

I `ll take a bit of funny end here
for all those second hand folks...

Second hand is second hand... always used and dirty...
No matter how you wash it ,it always comes with some stain or ripped part...

Beg your pardon Beren? I buy secondhand all the time and once in awhile come up with a real gem from secondhand that is first hand!! No stains, no fuss, no muss!

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As an ex student of cults and NRMS (new religious movements) I would say the best way of refuting Meier is through his invented sacred text Talmud Jmmanuel apparently written by Judas. Like the founder of the Unification Church (moonies) Meier, cast in the similar roll as messiah attempts to present a mysterious scripture then go on to assert that this version is the only true version and that everything else is a load of old rubbish.

The authenticity of the book is highly dubious and there is a cogent and detailed refutation of it here.
http://home.swipnet.se/corbie/Fuskwww/dear.html.

The content of the book itself is bilious, alarming and full of hatred
I repeat quotes from it from an earlier post I made to demonstrate.

Here is a passage from it:
“And if two men bed down with each other, they should also be punished, because the fallible are unworthy of life and its laws and behave heretically; thus they should be castrated, expelled and banished before the people. If, however, two women bed down with one another, they should not be punished, because they do not violate life and its laws, since they are not inseminating, but are bearing” (12:6-7)

Oh dear. Very unfortunate if one happens to be a gay male then, but there is more-

It is written, however, 'whosoever commits adultery and fornication shall be punished, because the fallible are unworthy of life and its laws;thus they shall be castrated or sterilized 12:4

Its ok if you are a lesbian though as inseminating is not involved. maybe he just likes to watch. I can see why people would get on their high horse being indoctrinated with this bile.

I cant believe I am reading this crap. Im 'assuming' that the followers of Meiers pseudo religion follow these edicts.

There is a distinct anti semetic tone that which in all fairness is not uncommon in new age thought. For example, Jewish groups abhor the writings of Alice Bailey as they think it riddled with anti zionism. The exact details of that particular argument are debatable but there is no doubt Bailey was calling for the collapse of the major religions. This, in part, is why Christianity and Judaism have unleashed a wave of propaganda against the so called new age movement and paganism.

Truly, I say to you: the nation of Israel was never one distinct people and has at all times lived with murder, robbery and fire. They have acquired this land through ruse and murder in abominable, predatory wars, slaughtering their best friends like wild animals. May the nation of Israel be cursed until the end of the world and never find its peace.(10:26-27)

I detect a lot of hatred thus far, homophobia and anti semitism. There is one thing to be critical of Zionism but hatred against an entire race of people is a let down is it not? There are similarities here with Arisophy, the bastard offspring of Theosophy. A Teutonic, Nordic religion contrived by white supremacist esotericists in pre war Germany. [i]


Like other cult leaders (Anna Hayes etc) he spouts that only he is the contactee of validity. This is synptomatic of deluded and often mentally Ill founders of new religions.


As for his homemade spaceships,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUc1nKGjXaU&feature=fvsr

There are just too many good debunking vids to choose from. I could be here all day.
We should not assume that his wife was bitter and estranged. There is every reason to believe her claims are valid and that Meier is indeed a charlatan.

In the final analysis I would say Meier is hoping to wipe out the Jews with a fleet of spaceships made from household objects.

Micjer wrote:@Brook.

Funny you would mention Michael Horn.

You know about the other forum I am onm as you were on there also. (The Force)

Well we started a thread where we were discussing Michael bad mouthing Alex Collier. Well lo and behold if Michael didn't join our forum and started posting.

http://theforceiswithinyou.twilightlegend.net/t3854p15-michael-horn-theyflycom?highlight=michael+horn


It started out fairly friendly, but soon turned ugly. This guy came across very badly and soon everyone got their backs up against him. We figured he was trying to get more hits for his website.

Micjer. Cult leaders can be very defensive sometimes. It is a symptom of their unshakable belief that the sect they are in has the answers for everything and that everything and everyone else is wrong. Often things get nasty. The scientologists are particularly talented at this.

We are still at it over here?
Now, others have joined the game.


Ok, I will try to share this in another light.

Again, we are missing the point and to be honest, are playing the game designed for us to do exactly what we're doing. Attempting to argue over people, information and events that we have no personal knowledge or experience. The point is to pull out the consistent information that aligns with information that spans over thousands of years. It's not as much who is saying, and how they may be saying it differently now, but what legitimate information they may have shared or woven in with the falsehoods. That was my point in regards to all of the above. You see, for every debunk you can dream up, there is someone ready and willing to put together something to debunk your debunk. Get It?

So, people will begin to spin their wheels (and free will) rumaging through the information for personal comfort with their stance on these issues. However, we are essentially playing the game, designed for us to play it in just the manner we are playing it.

Every member on this site, doesn't matter who you are, who you claim to be, your intelligence level, education or how clever you are with words or your belief system. ALL of us are playing the game by visiting this and similar websites. We are sorting and forever digesting information for which we dearly want clarity. However, when you claim to have identified all the facts, frauds, and hoaxes, which is not possible on this level...You are participating and expanding the game for those same facts, frauds, and hoaxes you think you've identified. Discernment is great, but opinions reached based on personal research at the end of the day, week, month, year...Will still be your opinion via this thread any website you may start a similar thread. This game can be played until your 100 years old or dead. Get it?

As far as UFO's themselves go, aside from the so called contactees aforementioned. I KNOW they exist, because of personal experiences and ongoing experiences. I've been followed by a black military grade helicopter before, so please be careful as I stressed before, when we are throwing around peoples experiences or lack thereof, and facts based on your research only to make your case. Because you are actually doing yourself and everyone on this site a disservice. Simply because you only KNOW what you THINK and what you FEEL. It's the human element...Fair Enough.

We all are paying attention, and to a small degree will play the game rather it be via the internet, or in our daily lives for the system/game has been constructed all around us. So, once we choose to participate, we have to evaluate what role will we play? Minimizing our role? Disengage entirely (off the grid, etc)? Gathering facts is great, but gathering opinions?

At this point, I will exit stage door on the left. You guys have at it.

Yep....as I said...it's all about perception and who you want to believe and disbelieve. But it doesn't mean a thing unless you have experienced it firsthand. I have as well. Now....I have a rather interesting pic taken extremely close to my home ....I'll post before and after pics form the next day. I thought it was rather interesting the shape of the thing (look to the left of the stop light) ..... And it was not visible to the naked eye....it was very fast and appeared as a flash. It was only by luck this photo was taken. And within view of this same photo...I've encountered a black helicopter about three blocks within the view of this shot. There is a bridge over a wash.....and it was there.....searching for "something" for quite some time. Along with other 'encounters" I've had it makes a whole lot of difference when you are coming from a place of experience and one of simply hearing about it.


Taken with a cell phone.



After the next morning...

As for Michael Horn....I'm glad somebody finally brought him up....Thanks Micjer.

To me he's just a real piece of work..but that's my opinion which carries little weight now doesn't it? As for Billy Meier...I can't comment because I know very little and really don't follow it.....other than to say I feel there is something there but he and the stuff brought forth has been compromised. So it's just another thing to bring a dis-service to in the area of UFO research.

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For me the disgusting nature of the fabricated scripture given to us by Meier is enough.
I wonder about those who would want to follow its vile tenets.
I would also wonder why no one would be alarmed by its contents.

Enforced sterilization, racism and homophobia. Do these not perturb anyone? This is the word and message of the true Jesus according to Meier.
Experience is fine but understanding is too.
And I understand what he stands for. The rest I can leave.

As I said, there is more to Meier and his fleet of household objects than meets the eye.

Is it really good enough to brush this offensive philosophy under he carpet?
Experience is one thing but venomous hatred is another


Some people keep their experiences private. It would be an error to assume they havent had any just because they dont talk about it.

Uncovering the fraud of Meier is not the same as saying as UFOs don't exist.

Nice pic. Brook.

Let's face it. All contactees tend to be debunked but it doesn't change their experience of a real contact.

i remember michael Horn from a Veritas interview several months ago...my impression of that guy: dark, negative energy, unpleasant feeling...

burgundia wrote:i remember michael Horn from a Veritas interview several months ago...my impression of that guy: dark, negative energy, unpleasant feeling...

Yes and after conversing with him, I would say that would be on a good day.

Beren wrote: I buy secondhand all the time and once in awhile come up with a real gem from secondhand that is first hand!! No stains, no fuss, no muss!

I could have said same myself. As a matter of fact I love to find the real gems where nobody else looks for them.
What I like about second hand shops is that they are completely unpredictable .

Love from me
mudra

Floyd wrote:

Enforced sterilization, racism and homophobia. Do these not perturb anyone?

If there is really something that perturbs me about Billy Meier it is exactly that .
He has an agenda for the human race that makes me wonder whom he is really serving.
It gave me the goose bumps when I first took the time to read it.

post 46: future of mankind world population control petition
http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t3498p45-the-full-of-crap-files#60139

Love from me
mudra

Be that as it may...I'd like to point out at this time another who seemed to have "contact" spoke in a germanic language and wanted to create a pure white race with the same exact kind of details as listed as far as population control and such. His name was Hitler and he had some connection with the Vril society...


Vril, the Power of the Coming Race is a 1871 science fiction novel by Edward Bulwer-Lytton, originally printed as The Coming Race. Many early readers believed that its account of a superior subterranean master race and the energy-form called "Vril" was accurate, to the extent that some theosophists accepted the book as truth. A 1960 popular book speculated on a secret Vril Society in pre-Nazi Berlin .




With that in mind ...the perceptions again of human minds from other human minds. Remember they calime this ET group is HUMAN just like us.

Just a few facts where Billy did get it ring based on contact ....

• 45th Contact, February 25, 1976:
Semjase (Meier's extraterrestrial female contactor) warned him that our extraction of petroleum and natural gas from the Earth, the damming of waters and construction of huge cities are major factors contributing to increased earthquake/volcanic activity.
Corroborated: June 27, 1990, in The Good Life newspaper (now defunct), Los Angeles: "Earthquakes, Oil Interact".



• 115th Contact, October 19, 1978:
Meier described existence of Jupiter's rings, saying they are composed mainly of dust, particles, sulphur ions flung off by volcanoes on Io; described Io as the most volcanically active body in the solar system, and smooth, level-surfaced with no water; described Europa as ice-encrusted; Jupiter said to have 17 "actual" moons (Plejaren don't consider that all of Jupiter's satellites meet their standards for moons); described nature of Jupiter's huge funnel-shaped storm.
Corroborated: March 5, 1979, NASA's Voyager 1 probe discovered the rings of Jupiter, that Io is the most volcanically active body in the solar system and that Europa is covered in ice—five months after Meier published this information.
Corroborated: September 15, 1998, Cornell University scientists confirmed particulate composition of rings from Jupiter's moons (first theorised by astronomers on August 2, 1995). Meier's information is 20 years ahead of Cornell's. (While scientists believe that the source of the particulate matter is explosions caused by meteorite strikes on the moons' surfaces, Meier's information seems more accurate, i.e., matter being explosively propelled from volcanoes at speeds up to 2,300 km/hour to heights of 180 km is more likely the true source of most particulate-forming rings.)


• 29th Contact, July 7, 1975, and 31st Contact, July 17, 1975:
Contact involved specific information about Venus, unknown at the time, including composition of atmospheric gases, surface temperatures, depth of clouds, wind speeds, atmospheric pressure, colouration, variation in terrain, etc.
Corroborated: October 1975 and August 1976, confirmed by probes from the USSR and USA respectively.
Corroborated: February 1981; USGS [US Geological Survey] was producing a topographical map of Venus which, as discovered by the investigative team, further confirmed the details Meier had published five years earlier.