Come consider Uncle John's Plan

Carol wrote:UJ, your stance surprises me because it appears that you assume we are not being helped by other alien civilizations.

Thank you so much Carol for responding to my post and thus helping me explain my views further. I'm the only human that has express these opinions that I know of. These are only my opinions and I realize I could be wrong about these things.

I believe that the offworlders are orchestrating human society and humans individually. I consider the offworlder's inputs to be in many instances positive and thus I agree with you that we are being helped by other alien civilizations.

UncleJohn wrote:This network is two way. Humans receive messages through the imagination,
dreams and memory. Any offworlder group could send messages to humans to inform them of their situation, but they refuse to do so.

Carol wrote:Humans also receive messages from E.T.s all the time through imagination, dreams and past life recall. They also get the message direct through electronic communications and face-to-face communications. The Tall Whites use electronics to pass on telepathic communication. The W56s/CTR even use the telephone. Physical contact has happened and is happening so your assumption is basically false. What proof do you have that this is not going on? My proof that it is going on is the taped conversations between off-worlders and humans that has been shared by contactees.

It is also my opinion that humans receive messages from E.T.s all the time. These messages are largely unknown and unrecognized by the vast majority of humans. "Any" offworlder group could inform all humans that they are subject to these messages and control by various other offworlder groups and they all chose not to. I understand that this is a rather bold statement.

UncleJohn wrote: We are dumbed down with STS and STO designations. STA (service to all) is the only enlightened way to go. Thus all these offworlders in the universe are not very enlightened. Humans have a great opportunity to educate them about this.

Carol wrote:Okay. Indeed there are both aliens and humans who work at keeping the human population dumbed down as a means to control and manipulate them. Your assessment that ALL offworlders in the universe are not very enlightened is a bit misleading. Yes, it is true that some offworlders are not very spiritually evolved... and yes, the vast majority of offworlders are just as if not more spiritually evolved than humans. And yes, some humans are not very spiritually evolved ~ just as other humans are very spiritually evolved. What I'm curious about is how did you come about your conclusions and shut the door to other possibilities that you may yet be unaware of?

I'm not shutting the door to the fact that I could be wrong by virtue of being unaware or many other reasons.

What I'm stating is when I consider "my" assessment of Christ consciousness, I conclude that all the offworlder groups in the universe don't measure up to this. I think is is very reasonable to consider that individual offworlders in each group would have reached the level of Christ consciousness. But consider what human society has done with the story and messages of Christ. They have twisted it to gain control over they majority of humans.

It is my opinion that every offworlder and human group is not following the spirit of the teachings of Christ. I don't think that Christ would keep any sentient beings in the dark about the possibilities of their well being and spiritual growth.

UncleJohn wrote: The consciousness of Christ is the awareness and caring for all. Google "bodhisattva vows" to get another perspective on this.

Carol wrote:Indeed, there are various alien cultures who have expressed this same Christ consciousness compassion toward humans as Alex Collier has expressed along with Steven Greer, Joan Ocean and many, many other contactees. As I have personally had conversations with a number of contactees what stood out was the variety of different experiences and perceptions... yet the vast majority of contactee (as compared to milab abductee) experiences were of a spiritual nature where the contactee was spiritually uplifted.

I'm not saying that many offworlder contacts are not of a spiritual nature, because I believe that is true.

I have been blessed to experience many humans of high spiritual nature. Their was a great variance among them. IMO, none reached the level of Christ consciousness.

What I'm saying is that no offworlder or human groups consider and act upon the well being of "all" sentient beings.

UJ, I would like to share something with you from the UM-MO/W56s who first came to earth in 1950 to study and analyze earth culture. These human beings come from the star system of Wolf 424 ~ 14.437 light years away (real distance in space 10 dimensions away). Rotation of UMMO is about 30 hours as compared to earths 24-hour roatation. Oceans occupy about 61.84% of the planet and one single continent full of lakes. Mountain ranges are eroded and similar to volcanoes that look like big fissures that emit high and brilliant columns of incandescent mixtures of Methane-Pentane-Oxygen. Most living is in underground facilities. Physical characteristics is that of Homo Sapiens. They have reached an elevated level of civilization and social structure is quite different where they are ruled by a Council of four based of Psycho-physiological examinations. They don't use money and consumer goods is of no value due to having an over abundance of these items. Land and space are Public.

UMMO are a profoundly religious society and believe in God and have scientific arguments in the favor of the existence of the Soul. They are also aware of the 3rd element in man that connect him to the A-dimensional Soul and claim that this is lodged within the Encephalic Cortex. Their religion is so similar to Earth's Christianity that they were very surprised to discover this and claim that they differ only in the fact that thier religion emerged in UMMO at a time in which their society was much more developed that Earth at the times when Jesus Christ lived.

They first arrived in the French Alps area and experienced great difficulties due to their ignorance of earth language and customs. Subsequently more ships arrived and contact with individuals who were more science or research oriented as their Scientific and Technological is much more evolved then earths ~ however, earth humans cultivated the arts (painting, sculpturing, music) to a much higher level then theirs. Many scientists and cultural entities have been receiving UMMO off-worlders communications all over the Earth and claim that their results have been very poor.

This information is from Stefano Breccia who has been in contact with the UMMOs since 1956 and written about in his book Mass Contacts.

Carol wrote:UJ, I would like to share something with you from the UM-MO/W56s who first came to earth in 1950 to study and analyze earth culture.

I'm aware of the UMMO and perhaps a thousand more. None of them, and I repeat none of them, rise up to the level of Christ or Boddhisattva consciousness.

Any offworlder group with the ability to travel faster than light and thus visit earth is probably connected to the universe's internet and should know about these things.

How many times must I respond to this, how many times? EDIT: I regret this remark.

Have you considered the possibility that all of us (off-worlders included) are awaiting the galactice super wave that will possibly allow the experience of Christ Consciousness to be experienced throughout the multiverse?

UJ, Given your last response I can also see that you are set in your viewpoint and dialog on my part is unnesscessary. I'm still of the opinion that this is a personal journey and each must make their choice. I also fully "hope" that each will also have a Christ Consciousness" experience sooner then later as the result of the Cosmic Compassion of the Universe where others who have continued to remain alseep will awake and they too will have a choice. The choice is to move toward singularity or toward separation. And I would like to add that in my personal opinion, it is the journey that helps each person appreciate the gift of Christ Consciousness when experienced.

Namaste,
Carol

UncleJohn wrote: Let me add something from Castaneda's book, "The Active Side of Infinity."

I'm listening right now to David Icke reading the same passage I quoted from above book.
http://www.journeyswithrebecca.com/jwr10/jwr10_april24.mp3
This makes me very, very happy.
An amazing interview, particularly his conjecture on the moon.

Check out this: http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/153063/

One of my favorite renditions of the Boddhisattva vows is from the book "The Cave of Poison Grass" by Seikan Hasegawa

Ah, indeed, there are immumerable sentient beings inside and outside of me.
But I vow to save them.
This is my energy, and why I am living.

However, when I see the passions, now inexhaustible they are!
Still I vow to cut them off.
How?
KA!

It is very fortunate that the Dharmas are immeasurable,
Of course I vow to enjoy all of them.

The Buddha Way is the highest,
I vow to attain it.

full article here:
http://www.intrex.net/chzg/Fronsdal.htm

The article, a lecture, contains some good examples that contrast experiencing life objectively and subjectively with the bottom line:
"It's really about how you are going to meet the next moment."
(the four bodhisattva vows)
a snippet:
"One of the things I find very interesting about the four noble truths is that the way they are stated there is no pronoun involved. It doesn't refer to my suffering or your suffering; it simply says neutrally, suffering exists and that it has a source..... Wherever it arises we are interested in noticing suffering and the causes of it. This also points to the idea that much of our suffering arises when we enter into objectification. We objectify the world. Our desire, our thirst, our compulsion usually has an object: we want something or we want to get rid of something. There is a thing that we are relating to as an object outside of ourselves."

Anyway, as far as I know, you cannot crack someone's head open and pour in Knowledge. I'm speaking Inner knowledge (subjectivity) and I think that is what you speak of when you mention the 4 bodhisattva vows, correct? from the article: "It is very easy to state the first three
noble truths: there is suffering, there is a cause, and there is an end to it. Great! But because it is not so easy to do that, the Buddha laid down the Buddhist eight-fold path for us to follow."

Anyway I did a google search as was suggested and found that interesting article.

Shirley wrote:http://www.intrex.net/chzg/Fronsdal.htm

Beings are numberless, I vow to save them
Desires are inexhaustible, I vow to end them
Dharma gates are boundless, I vow to enter them
Buddha's way is unsurpassable, I vow to become it.

Shirley wrote:Anyway, as far as I know, you cannot crack someone's head open and pour in Knowledge. I'm speaking Inner knowledge (subjectivity) and I think that is what you speak of when you mention the 4 bodhisattva vows, correct?

Yes, Shirley. From all the channelers and contactee's, it appears a uniform message that humans are not going to get the chance to rise up to the bodhisattva vows.

My focus is that somebody in the universe needs to step up to the bodhisattva plate and only humans seem to be considering this approach.

Funny that the offworlders with billions of years of history don't seem to fathom this?

Perhaps these Others were never meant to and even then perhaps that is Why We're cherished among Hyperversals...

Perhaps It is Our Lot to Trip the Consciousness Fantastic and get to this Level as Beings - Incarnate in Matter...

Perhaps not but I'd bet on the latter...

From what I've been reading about a number of the off-worlders who are in physicality is that many of them are more intellectually oriented at the expense of the development of their emotional being which is the foundation of compassion. This being said it also means that many of them may not be any more spiritually evolved then some humans and that some humans may be more spiritually evolved then some off-worlders.

UncleJohn wrote:One of my favorite renditions of the Boddhisattva vows is from the book "The Cave of Poison Grass" by Seikan Hasegawa

Ah, indeed, there are immumerable sentient beings inside and outside of me.
But I vow to save them.
This is my energy, and why I am living.

However, when I see the passions, now inexhaustible they are!
Still I vow to cut them off.
How?
KA!

It is very fortunate that the Dharmas are immeasurable,
Of course I vow to enjoy all of them.

The Buddha Way is the highest,
I vow to attain it.

I met some of those beings with unchanging ideal of service to life in Universe and all I may say is that 'they' are pure love.
The same way as humankind would be pure love if it does not have to struggle so hard against nature , diseases and death , all of which evokes strong emotional response, dissonant emotions .

Contrary to what church has preached for millenia ( and not only one church but most of them ) , this planet is not the center of Universe , it's not the only blessed place in Universe, mankind is not the only 'child of God' and moreover , it's not the heaven,
and not the place of our origin either. Humans are stranded here for too long to remember ...
They've degenerated in few grades and the path of ascension and path to enlightenment is in fact not more or less than remembering your true nature, call it the 'christ consciousness' or 'bodhisattva nature' .


Even if we are all inherently pure, we usually notice that we have to produce effort to overcome various external and internal obstacles to fulfill the true visions, missions and wishes of our life . More people find themselves on the path of self-discipline and pure aspirations, the easier for everyone to proceed of course.
I wonder why there is not more influence upon mankind from these very benevolent, loving and highly advanced beings who are probably willing to guide and help if we allow them ..
but as one living among humans , I must say that it feels extraordinary tough here at times, aggressive, rude , together with the ages long human indoctrination .
Looking at it from the more practical side ..what do you want to do now with 7 milliards of humans , how to help all of them, how to heal their trouble .

Peace&Love

Edgar Cayce spoke about some of the Christ consciousness ideals for the new age.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqxx35A07r4&NR=1

My suggestion is to apply these ideals to the whole universe.

Those offworlders need to be able to communicate directly with God too.

They are Old..they are Knowers, not Believers. That's the substantial difference between Buddhism and Christianity ..
They bow to Allmighty in all they do, and they're sparkle of divine intelligence, of the Source of Life. They live on very high concepts, from your point of view, you may say...

They're pure from inside and carriers of that allmighty..

There's only one Source of Life in the Universe and from that Source we are all related ..