Archangelic Queens of Heaven and the United States of the Solar System

It seems to me that a promoted Messiah would be a carefully programmed and coached 'Jesus' -- to present a Respectable Christ -- to Lead the Sheeple. The real Jesus -- who I am presently thinking of as the 'Archangelic Christ' might be a 'mess' in the eyes of the highly-refined and highly-ethical political and religious leaders of the world. The 'Archangelic Christ' might be a public-relations nightmare -- to say the least. The church might not know what the hell to do with the real 'Jesus'. They might even crucify 'Him' one more time...

For the Family of Nations.
ALMIGHTY God, our heavenly Father, guide, we beseech
thee, the Nations of the world into the way
of justice and truth, and establish among them that peace
which is the fruit of righteousness, that they may become
the Kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. Amen.
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In Time of Great Sickness and Mortality.
O MOST mighty and merciful God, in this time of
grievous sickness, we flee unto thee for succour. Deliver
us, we beseech thee, from our peril; give strength
and skill to all those who minister to the sick; prosper the
means made use of for their cure; and grant that, perceiving
how frail and uncertain our life is, we may apply our
hearts unto that heavenly wisdom which leadeth to eternal
life; through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.
For a Sick Person.
O FATHER of mercies and God of all comfort, our only
help in time of need; We humbly beseech thee to behold,
visit, and relieve thy sick servant [N.] for whom our
prayers are desired. Look upon him with the eyes of thy
mercy; comfort him with a sense of thy goodness; preserve
him from the temptations of the enemy; and give him patience
under his affliction. In thy good time, restore him to
health, and enable him to lead the residue of his life in thy
fear, and to thy glory; and grant that finally he may dwell
with thee in life everlasting; through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Amen.
For a Sick Child.
O HEAVENLY Father, watch with us, we pray thee, over
the sick child for whom our prayers are offered,
and grant that he may be restored to that perfect health
which it is thine alone to give; through Jesus Christ our
Lord. Amen.
For a Person under Affliction.
O MERCIFUL God, and heavenly Father, who hast
taught us in thy holy Word that thou dost not willingly
afflict or grieve the children of men; Look with pity,
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we beseech thee, upon the sorrows of thy servant for whom
our prayers are offered. Remember him, O Lord, in mercy;
endue his soul with patience; comfort him with a sense of
thy goodness; lift up thy countenance upon him, and give
him peace; through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.
For a Person, or Persons, going to Sea.
O ETERNAL God, who alone spreadest out the heavens,
and rulest the raging of the sea; We commend to thy
almighty protection, thy servant, for whose preservation on
the great deep our prayers are desired. Guard him, we beseech
thee, from the dangers of the sea, from sickness, from
the violence of enemies, and from every evil to which he
may be exposed. Conduct him in safety to the haven where
he would be, with a grateful sense of thy mercies; through
Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.
For Prisoners.
O GOD, who sparest when we deserve punishment, and
in thy wrath rememberest mercy; We humbly beseech
thee, of thy goodness, to comfort and succour all prisoners
[especially those who are condemned to die]. Give them a right
understanding of themselves, and of thy promises; that,
trust-ing wholly in thy mercy, they may not place their confidence
anywhere but in thee. Relieve the distressed, protect
the innocent, awaken the guilty; and forasmuch as thou
alone bringest light out of darkness, and good out of evil,
grant to these thy servants, that by the power of thy Holy
Spirit they may be set free from the chains of sin, and may
be brought to newness of life; through Jesus Christ our
Lord. Amen.
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A Bidding Prayer.
¶ To be used before Sermons, or on Special Occasions.
& And Note, That the Minister, in his discretion, may omit any of the
clauses in this Prayer, or may add others, as occasion may require.
GOOD Christian People, I bid your prayers for Christ’s
holy Catholic Church, the blessed company of all
faithful people; that it may please God to confirm and
strengthen it in purity of faith, in holiness of life, and in perfectness
of love, and to restore to it the witness of visible
unity; and more especially for that branch of the same
planted by God in this land, whereof we are members; that
in all things it may work according to God’s will, serve him
faithfully, and worship him acceptably.
Ye shall pray for the President of these United States,
and for the Governor of this State, and for all that are in
authority; that all, and every one of them, may serve truly
in their several callings to the glory of God, and the edifying
and well-governing of the people, remembering the account
they shall be called upon to give at the last great day.
Ye shall also pray for the ministers of God’s Holy Word
and Sacraments; for Bishops [and herein more especially for
the Bishop of this Diocese], that they may minister faithfully
and wisely the discipline of Christ; likewise for all Priests
and Deacons [and herein more especially for the Clergy here
residing], that they may shine as lights in the world, and in all
things may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour.
And ye shall pray for a due supply of persons fitted to
serve God in the Ministry and in the State; and to that end,
as well as for the good education of all the youth of this
land, ye shall pray for all schools, colleges, and seminaries of
sound and godly learning, and for all whose hands are open
for their maintenance; that whatsoever tends to the advancement
of true religion and useful learning may for ever flourish
and abound.
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Ye shall pray for all the people of these United States,
that they may live in the true faith and fear of God, and in
brotherly charity one towards another.
Ye shall pray also for all who travel by land, sea, or air; for
all prisoners and captives; for all who are in sickness or in
sorrow; for all who have fallen into grievous sin; for all who,
through temptation, ignorance, helplessness, grief, trouble,
dread, or the near approach of death, especially need our
prayers.
Ye shall also praise God for rain and sunshine; for the
fruits of the earth; for the products of all honest industry;
and for all his good gifts, temporal and spiritual, to us and
to all men.
Finally, ye shall yield unto God most high praise and
hearty thanks for the wonderful grace and virtue declared
in all his saints, who have been the choice vessels of his
grace and the lights of the world in their several generations;
and pray unto God, that we may have grace to direct
our lives after their good examples; that, this life ended, we
may be made partakers with them of the glorious resurrection,
and the life everlasting.
And now, brethren, summing up all our petitions, and all
our thanksgivings, in the words which Christ hath taught us,
we make bold to say,
OUR Father, who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy Name.
Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, On earth as it
is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive
us our trespasses, As we forgive those who trespass against
us. And lead us not into temptation, But deliver us from
evil. For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the
glory, for ever and ever. Amen.
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COLLECTS.
& To be used after the Collects of Morning or Evening Prayer, or Communion,
at the discretion of the Minister.
O LORD Jesus Christ, who saidst unto thine Apostles,
Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you;
Regard not our sins, but the faith of thy Church; and grant
to it that peace and unity which is according to thy will, who
livest and reignest with the Father and the Holy Ghost, one
God, world without end. Amen.
ASSIST us mercifully, O Lord, in these our supplications
and prayers, and dispose the way of thy servants
towards the attainment of everlasting salvation; that, among
all the changes and chances of this mortal life, they may
ever be defended by thy most gracious and ready help;
through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.
GRANT, we beseech thee, Almighty God, that the
words which we have heard this day with our outward
ears, may, through thy grace, be so grafted inwardly
in our hearts, that they may bring forth in us the fruit of
good living, to the honour and praise of thy Name; through
Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.
DIRECT us, O Lord, in all our doings, with thy most gracious
favour, and further us with thy continual help;
that in all our works begun, continued, and ended in thee,
we may glorify thy holy Name, and finally, by thy mercy,
obtain everlasting life; through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Amen.
ALMIGHTY God, the fountain of all wisdom, who knowest
our necessities before we ask, and our ignorance
in asking; We beseech thee to have compassion upon our
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infirmities; and those things which for our unworthiness
we dare not, and for our blindness we cannot ask, vouchsafe
to give us, for the worthiness of thy Son Jesus Christ our
Lord. Amen
ALMIGHTY God, who hast promised to hear the petitions
of those who ask in thy Son’s Name; We beseech
thee mercifully to incline thine ears to us who have
now made our prayers and supplications unto thee; and
grant that those things which we have faithfully asked according
to thy will, may effectually be obtained, to the
relief of our necessity, and to the setting forth of thy glory;
through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.
THANKSGIVINGS.
& To be used after the General Thanksgiving, or, when that is not said,
before the final Prayer of Blessing or the Benediction.
A Thanksgiving to Almighty God for the Fruits of the Earth
and all the other Blessings of his merciful Providence.
MOST gracious God, by whose knowledge the depths
are broken up, and the clouds drop down the dew;
We yield thee unfeigned thanks and praise for the return of
seed-time and harvest, for the increase of the ground and
the gathering in of the fruits thereof, and for all the other
blessings of thy merciful providence bestowed upon this nation
and people. And, we beseech thee, give us a just sense
of these great mercies; such as may appear in our lives by
an humble, holy, and obedient walking before thee all our
days; through Jesus Christ our Lord, to whom, with thee
and the Holy Ghost, be all glory and honour, world without
end. Amen.
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The Thanksgiving of Women after Child-birth.
& To be said when any Woman, being present in Church, shall have
desired to return thanks to Almighty God for her safe deliverance.
O ALMIGHTY God, we give thee humble thanks for
that thou hast been graciously pleased to preserve,
through the great pain and peril of child-birth, this woman,
thy servant, who desireth now to offer her praises and thanksgivings
unto thee. Grant, we beseech thee, most merciful
Father, that she, through thy help, may faithfully live according
to thy will in this life, and also may be partaker of everlasting
glory in the life to come; through Jesus Christ our
Lord. Amen.
For R ain.
O GOD, our heavenly Father, by whose gracious providence
the former and the latter rain descend upon
the earth, that it may bring forth fruit for the use of man;
We give thee humble thanks that it hath pleased thee to send
us rain to our great comfort, and to the glory of thy holy
Name; through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.
For Fair Weather.
O LORD God, who hast justly humbled us by thy late
visitation of us with immoderate rain and waters, and
in thy mercy hast relieved and comforted our souls by this
seasonable and blessed change of weather; We praise and
glorify thy holy Name for this thy mercy, and will always
declare thy loving-kindness from generation to generation;
through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.
For P lenty.
O MOST merciful Father, who of thy gracious goodness
hast heard the devout prayers of thy Church, and
turned our dearth and scarcity into plenty; We give thee
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humble thanks for this thy special bounty; beseeching thee
to continue thy loving-kindness unto us, that our land may
yield us her fruits of increase, to thy glory and our comfort;
through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.
For Peace, and Deliverance from our Enemies.
O ALMIGHTY God, who art a strong tower of defence
unto thy servants against the face of their enemies;
We yield thee praise and thanksgiving for our deliverance
from those great and apparent dangers wherewith we were
com-passed. We acknowledge it thy goodness that we were
not delivered over as a prey unto them; beseeching thee
still to continue such thy mercies towards us, that all the
world may know that thou art our Saviour and mighty Deliverer;
through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.
For Restoring Public Peace at Home.
O ETERNAL God, our heavenly Father, Who alone
makest men to be of one mind in a house, and stillest
the outrage of a violent and unruly people; We bless thy
holy Name, that it hath pleased thee to appease the seditious
tumults which have been lately raised up amongst us; most
humbly beseeching thee to grant to all of us grace, that we
may henceforth obediently walk in thy holy commandments;
and, leading a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and
honesty, may continually offer unto thee our sacrifice of
praise and thanksgiving for these thy mercies towards us;
through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.
For a Recovery from Sickness.
O GOD, who art the giver of life, of health, and of
safety; We bless thy Name, that thou hast been pleased
to deliver from his bodily sickness this thy servant, who now
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desireth to return thanks unto thee, in the presence of all
thy people. Gracious art thou, O Lord, and full of compassion
to the children of men. May his heart be duly impressed
with a sense of thy merciful goodness, and may he
devote the residue of his days to an humble, holy, and obedient
walking before thee; through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Amen.
For a Child’s Recovery from Sickness.
ALMIGHTY God and heavenly Father, we give thee
humble thanks for that thou hast been graciously
pleased to deliver from his bodily sickness the child in whose
behalf we bless and praise thy Name, in the presence
of all thy people. Grant, we beseech thee, O gracious
Father, that he, through thy help, may both faithfully live in
this world according to thy will, and also may be partaker
of everlasting glory in the life to come; through Jesus
Christ our Lord. Amen.

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Thank-you A1. I'll watch the video this evening -- but first I need to attempt to deal with something which has bothered me for a long time. It involves a quotation from 'The Great Controversy' by E.G. White. You must understand that I treat her writings much differently than do most Adventists -- and I don't even see eye to eye with the SDA scholars. I accept and reject these writings simultaneously. I think people should read them in the right way -- and then simply think and do whatever makes sense. I don't consider these writings to be 'Another Bible'. Anyway, here is the quote from pages 566 and 567.

Many Protestants suppose that the Catholic religion is unattractive and that its worship is a dull, meaningless round of ceremony. Here they mistake. While Romanism is based upon deception, it is not a coarse and clumsy imposture. The religious service of the Roman Church is a most impressive ceremonial. Its gorgeous display and solemn rites fascinate the senses of the people and silence the voice of reason and of conscience. The eye is charmed. Magnificent churches, imposing processions, golden altars, jeweled shrines, choice paintings, and exquisite sculpture appeal to the love of beauty. The ear also is captivated. The music is unsurpassed. The rich notes of the deep-toned organ, blending with the melody of many voices as it swells through the lofty domes and pillared aisles of her grand cathedrals, cannot fail to impress the mind with awe and reverence. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMKg5cpYkLo&feature=relmfu

This outward splendor, pomp, and ceremony, that only mocks the longings of the sin-sick soul, is an evidence of inward corruption. The religion of Christ needs not such attractions to recommend it. In the light shining from the cross, true Christianity appears so pure and lovely that no external decorations can enhance its true worth. It is the beauty of holiness, a meek and quiet spirit, which is of value with God. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwrel&v=X4r9A-brsrg&NR=1

Brilliancy of style is not necessarily an index of pure, elevated thought. High conceptions of art, delicate refinement of taste, often exist in minds that are earthly and sensual. They are often employed by Satan to lead men to forget the necessities of the soul, to lose sight of the future, immortal life, to turn away from their infinite Helper, and to live for this world alone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wW9kApmW38&feature=related

A religion of externals is attractive to the unrenewed heart. The pomp and ceremony of the Catholic worship has a seductive, bewitching power, by which many are deceived; and they come to look upon the Roman Church as the very gate of heaven. None but those who have planted their feet firmly upon the foundation of truth, and whose hearts are renewed by the Spirit of God, are proof against her influence. Thousands who have not an experimental knowledge of Christ will be led to accept the forms of godliness without the power. Such a religion is just what the multitudes desire. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8A31YWR23U&feature=related

What do you think about that section?? I happen to adore the music, architecture, art, and panache of the the Roman Empire and the Roman Catholic Church. On the other hand, the history is quite harsh, nasty, corrupt, deceptive, and bloody -- to say the least -- so I am quite conflicted. Also, I think that Protestants are more doctrinally dependent upon Catholicism than they realize. Protestants never really wandered too far away from Mother Church -- and many of them are returning home. What do you think about my ideas concerning the 1788 'Federalist Papers', the 1875 Cavaille-Coll Designed Pipe-Organ http://www.amazon.com/Cavaille-Colls-Monumental-Organ-Project-Peters/dp/0739167286 , the 1898 'Desire of Ages', the 1928 'Book of Common Prayer', and the 1962 Missal -- within the context of the Vatican??? Wouldn't that just make 99% of the Earth population as mad as hell???!!! It's fun to think about -- but to actually do something like that would literally require an 'Act of God'. I don't even know if it would really work -- yet I think we must conduct these types of mental and spiritual excercises on a daily and ongoing basis. BTW -- I recently heard a FINE Roman Catholic organist play a couple of my favorite pieces on a VERY FINE Fisk Pipe-Organ!!

orthodoxymoron wrote:Woulda-Coulda-Shoulda: The greatest Organ that never was!, January 4, 2012 by Anthony L. Vallillo Jr.

This review is from: Cavaille-Coll's Monumental Organ Project for Saint Peter's, Rome: Bigger Than Them All (Hardcover)

If there is one place in Europe that I have spent more time in than Paris it is the Eternal City. Often have I wandered the incredible expanse of the world's largest church, and on occasion I have been there when the organ is playing. This has always been an elusive pleasure, since the organ in St. Peter's, although no doubt large by most standards, is painfully inadequate for the task it faces; that is, filling the world's largest liturgical volume with sound. In fact, although the effect can sometimes be ethereal, it usually sounds like a walkman playing in a concert hall! If only Cavaille-Coll had been given a shot at St. Peter's!

Much to my surprise, that had almost happened! It was some years ago when I discovered that C-C had actually drawn up plans for what would, at the time, have been the world's largest organ. The fascinating story of that most monumental "woulda-coulda-shoulda been" is told here by organ virtuoso and music historian Ron Ebrecht. Ron weaves history, culture, and even politics (yes, strange as it may seem this story is rife with politics and the 19th century version of political correctness!) into a well crafted narrative that is difficult to put down once you start. You will meet the many and fascinating personalities involved in the story, and you will wonder, as I have, at "what might have been" had this potential masterpiece actually come to fruition. More's the pity that it did not, but by all means let Ron tell the story -- he writes as well as he plays. Don't miss it!

This whole thread is a mental and spiritual excercise. I'd have to have that hypothetical 600 square-foot office-apartment in, around, or beneath the Vatican -- complete with a Cray and an Unlimited-Access Badge and truly be an insider for many years, to have even a fighting-chance of properly knowing what to do. I might attend week-long meetings without saying a word. This is fun to think about, but I suspect that the reality would not live up to expectations. Pipe-Dream Realities Are So Overrated. I like the idea of every church-member being a scholar and a musician. Imagine entire congregations musically participating in the Bach B-Minor Mass!!! I would NOT wish to see Indulgence-Sale Fund-Raising (Salvation4Sale) repeated in modernity -- and there are probably enough large and ornate churches with classical-architecture on Earth presently -- so we should probably simply maintain and enjoy the grand structures which presently exist. I realize that no building can duplicate or surpass the beauty of nature -- yet human expression in art, architecture, and music are of inestimable value. We should be able to have our cake, and eat it too, in this matter. Why do so many controversies involve 'all or nothing' arguments??? Are the Protestant alternatives to Catholicism -- as presented on the Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN) -- superior to the basic form of the Mass (without regard to symbolism or interpretation)??? Is watching an egomaniac strut and shout -- or laugh for 20 minutes -- a more reverential way to commune with God??? What Would Monseigneur Bowe Do???

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLRa3Atw384&feature=related
2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwrel&v=7uyIt__v_60&NR=1
3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWHZ50yLXrM&feature=related
4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9g_6s-X_1kM&feature=related

Don't shoot -- I'm just an American Heretic!!! Is there any church on the planet which would REALLY accept me with open arms on a long-term basis??? I might have to lurk for a very long time...

orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you for this thread HigherLove. Can you picture Jesus driving a Ferrari, wearing a sweat-suit and a Rolex watch as He pulls out of His beach-house driveway? Most would recoil from such a thought! Some would say that to suggest this is irreverent and inappropriate. Once again, I am conflicted. I love Jesus, both historically and within my heart. However, I would love to have a Ferrari, a Rolex, and a beach-house! Could I have my Jesus, and my Ferrari too? Is this the Rich Young Ruler 2011? Allow me to suggest that if I ever became a Wall Street wizard, a best-selling author, or a song-writer and singer, it would be entirely appropriate, as a Christian, to have a Ferrari, a Rolex, and a beach-house. Gasp! Shock! Disbelief! Disgust!

Now that I'm in deep H2O, allow me to try to escape the do-gooder sharks! The money making activities listed, if done honestly and ethically, are entirely appropriate. If a lot of money is made, the books are properly kept, and the taxes are honestly paid (even though the Federal Income Tax appears to be unconstitutional), the car, watch, and home are just rewards of the free enterprise system. The Ferrari could be a $60,000 used F355, rather than a $160,000 F430. Likewise, the Rolex could be purchased from an estate sale instead of on Rodeo Drive. The beach-house could be a small, modest property, located far from Malibu. If purchased shrewdly, all of these items could be excellent investments, and yield large financial returns.

Then, the majority of the income of all of the above could be donated to a variety of worthy causes. And one could drive said Ferrari to a Habitat For Humanity project, and pound nails for 8 hours. And the upper crust friends one would make on the job and on the golf course could be encouraged to go and do likewise! And they would have the resources to make a huge difference in this miserable world. Have you heard of Bill Gates, Paul Allen, Warren Buffet, Jimmy Carter, Bono, et.al.? I'm not sure that they started out to be Christ-like, but they sure are giving away lots of time and money! Maybe we Christians have been too narrow in what we define as Christ-like! I know I have...and I'm trying to change.

The Ferrari dealers make money to send their kids to college while people enjoy the nice cars. The Rolex employees make money for the necessities of life while people enjoy wearing these nice watches. Likewise, the construction and real-estate people make money to make their mortgage payments, while buyers enjoy their nice new homes. Part of the rationalization for this materialistic daydream is that good, ethical people should be well rewarded for their success. The bad, unethical people should not be well rewarded! They should be stripped of what they have, and locked up! I know I'm living in a dream-world. Having said this, one probably doesn't need a Ferrari collection, or 3 waterfront estates throughout the world! And one should never, ever be unethical or dishonest in the pursuit of money! People should pursue money and then become philanthropists. And they should never, ever look down on anyone. They should never, ever stop being nice to everyone.

I like the ancient Egyptian body position of reaching up with one hand, and reaching down with the other. Taking and giving. I also like the phrase, "Stand tall, and lift!" Striving for success and then helping others to climb higher! We must not neglect the top or the bottom. And the middle-class should be getting larger instead of smaller! How about one big, happy, stratified middle-class, with incentives, but without extreme wealth or destitute poverty? So, yes, I think it is possible at least, that Jesus would drive a Ferrari, wear a Rolex, and live in a beach-house! He probably would do it incognito to avoid misunderstandings. But Jesus hung out with just about everyone, from rich to poor...and maybe we should too!

As an afterthought, it should be just fine to not have a car, a watch or sweat-suit, and live in a studio apartment with no view! I have! The historical Jesus didn't even have a house! We shouldn't look up to others, or look down on others! We should all look straight ahead at each-other as children of God!

I often wonder sometimes what world I am living in... I mean, my Father was a Catholic (deceased now), my Grand Mother a Jehovah's Witness.. My Mother, well she was never much around.. I was raised on a farm by my Grandmother who would read to me scriptures which I never could understand.... I much preferred looking for the hens eggs you know, the kind that lay around for years and years that when opened have a rotten smell.. Nana would send me out to bring back the good eggs.. I never did care to do that.. I shook every egg and kept the ones that rattled.. Sorry, am I going off track.. It's just that I have a headache today and feel super duper tired.. Moon cycles are draining.. and after having a ridiculous conversation about blood tonight.. well I'm just super set off in crazy mode.. Why don't people have common sense? A new day tomorrow.. I'll be with it then.

Human experience is often a tangled-mess. Blood-Feuds Are So Overrated. Common-Sense would be nice. Required Classes in Ethics, Logic, and Critical-Thinking (K-12) would be a start. I still think that an academic focus on the word 'Responsibility' will yield huge dividends. BTW -- here is a walk down conspiracy-theory memory-lane -- with John Todd. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doBQ4atIsh0&feature=related This goes back to the 70's -- but I have no idea how accurate this man was. I just take it all in -- and go nuttier and nuttier and nuttier!!! The horror. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRkcWlhmyGI&feature=related BTW -- that 'Emerald' video is very cool. Thank-you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LM9yezr4rBM&feature=player_embedded What if Archangel Michael was/is an Archangelic Queen of Heaven?? What if Archangel Michael was/is the Ancient Egyptian Deity 'Thoth'?? What if Archangel Michael was/is the Ancient Egyptian Deity 'Isis'? What if Archangel Michael was/is Jesus?? What if the 'Teachings of Jesus' are the 'Teachings of Isis'?? What if Archangel Michael was/is an Archangelic Queen of Heaven was/is One of Several 'Marys' was/is Jesus Christ?? What if most Historical Deities are Mythical Representations of Actual Deities?? Remember, in one of the 'Stargate SG-1' episodes, where Adria speaks of 'bringing light to this world (or solar system) -- and that there could be no room for doubt'??? Think about it. I should stop. They have ways to make me stop. Many ways. One of those streaming white-lights just passed between me and the monitor. The horror.

Here is some more of the 1928 'Book of Common Prayer'. I'll go back to Gerald Massey pretty soon -- and I'll alternate back and forth between the two -- interspersed with comments (and who knows what?). I especially appreciate the selected scriptures -- which will appear later in the text. Could the '28 BCP be properly integrated with the basic form of the Traditional Latin Mass -- with mostly Spoken-English and Sung-Latin??? What about homilies based upon 'The Desire of Ages' (without necessarily making mention of that particular volume)? Can mystery and clarity peacefully coexist?? The Ancient Egyptian Deity I spoke with liked the Latin Mass -- yet hated the Roman Catholic Church!!! They mentioned having a Crucifix -- but they never showed it to me. Nuff said. What about a more spirited application of Sacred Classical Music? So much classical music is perfomed in such a lifeless manner. The horror.

For a Safe Return from a Journey.
MOST gracious Lord, whose mercy is over all thy
works; We praise thy holy Name that thou hast been
pleased to conduct in safety, through the perils of the great
deep (of his way), this thy servant, who now desireth to return
his thanks unto thee in thy holy Church. May he be
duly sensi-ble of thy merciful providence towards him, and
ever express his thankfulness by a holy trust in thee, and
obedience to thy laws; through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.
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or General Supplication
& To be used after the Third Collect at Morning or Evening Prayer;
or before the Holy Communion; or separately. O GOD the Father, Creator of heaven and earth;
Have mercy upon us.
O God the Son, Redeemer of the world;
Have mercy upon us.
O God the Holy Ghost, Sanctifier of the faithful;
Have mercy upon us.
O holy, blessed, and glorious Trinity, one God;
Have mercy upon us.
REMEMBER not, Lord, our offences, nor the offences of
our forefathers; neither take thou vengeance of our sins:
Spare us, good Lord, spare thy people, whom thou hast redeemed
with thy most precious blood, and be not angry
with us for ever.
Spare us, good Lord.
FROM all evil and mischief; from sin; from the crafts
and assaults of the devil; from thy wrath, and from everlasting
damnation,
Good Lord, deliver us.
From all blindness of heart; from pride, vainglory, and
hypocrisy; from envy, hatred, and malice, and all uncharitableness,
Good Lord, deliver us.
From all inordinate and sinful affections; and from all the
deceits of the world, the flesh, and the devil,
Good Lord, deliver us.
From lightning and tempest; from earthquake, fire, and
flood; from plague, pestilence, and famine; from battle and
murder, and from sudden death,
Good Lord, deliver us.
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From all sedition, privy conspiracy, and rebellion; from
all false doctrine, heresy, and schism; from hardness of heart,
and contempt of thy Word and Commandment,
Good Lord, deliver us.
By the mystery of thy holy Incarnation; by thy holy
Nativity and Circumcision; by thy Baptism, Fasting, and
Temptation,
Good Lord, deliver us.
By thine Agony and Bloody Sweat; by thy Cross and
Passion; by thy precious Death and Burial; by thy glorious
Resurrection and Ascension, and by the Coming of the
Holy Ghost,
Good Lord, deliver us.
In all time of our tribulation; in all time of our prosperity;
in the hour of death, and in the day of judgment,
Good Lord, deliver us.
WE sinners do beseech thee to hear us, O Lord God;
and that it may please thee to rule and govern thy
holy Church universal in the right way;
We beseech thee to hear us, good Lord.
That it may please thee so to rule the heart of thy servant,
The President of the United States, that he may above
all things seek thy honour and glory;
We beseech thee to hear us, good Lord.
That it may please thee to bless and preserve all Christian
Rulers and Magistrates, giving them grace to execute
justice, and to maintain truth;
We beseech thee to hear us, good Lord.
That it may please thee to illuminate all Bishops,
Priests, and Deacons, with true knowledge and understanding
of thy Word; and that both by their preaching and
living they may set it forth, and show it accordingly;
We beseech thee to hear us, good Lord.
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That it may please thee to send forth labourers into thy
harvest;
We beseech thee to hear us, good Lord.
That it may please thee to bless and keep all thy
people;
We beseech thee to hear us, good Lord.
That it may please thee to give to all nations unity,
peace, and concord;
We beseech thee to hear us, good Lord.
That it may please thee to give us an heart to love and
fear thee, and diligently to live after thy commandments;
We beseech thee to hear us, good Lord.
That it may please thee to give to all thy people increase
of grace to hear meekly thy Word, and to receive
it with pure affection, and to bring forth the fruits of the
Spirit;
We beseech thee to hear us, good Lord.
That it may please thee to bring into the way of truth
all such as have erred, and are deceived;
We beseech thee to hear us, good Lord.
That it may please thee to strengthen such as do stand;
and to comfort and help the weak-hearted; and to raise up
those who fall; and finally to beat down Satan under our
feet;
We beseech thee to hear us, good Lord.
That it may please thee to succour, help, and comfort,
all who are in danger, necessity, and tribulation;
We beseech thee to hear us, good Lord.
That it may please thee to preserve all who travel by
land, by water, or by air, all women in child-birth, all sick
persons, and young children; and to show thy pity upon all
prisoners and captives;
We beseech thee to hear us, good Lord.
That it may please thee to defend, and provide for, the
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fatherless children, and widows, and all who are desolate
and oppressed;
We beseech thee to hear us, good Lord.
That it may please thee to have mercy upon all men;
We beseech thee to hear us, good Lord.
That it may please thee to forgive our enemies, persecutors,
and slanderers, and to turn their hearts;
We beseech thee to hear us, good Lord.
That it may please thee to give and preserve to our use
the kindly fruits of the earth, so that in due time we may
enjoy them;
We beseech thee to hear us, good Lord.
That it may please thee to give us true repentance; to
forgive us all our sins, negligences, and ignorances; and to
endue us with the grace of thy Holy Spirit to amend our
lives according to thy holy Word;
We beseech thee to hear us, good Lord.
Son of God, we beseech thee to hear us.
Son of God, we beseech thee to hear us.
O Lamb of God, who takest away the sins of the world;
Grant us thy peace.
O Lamb of God, who takest away the sins of the world;
Have mercy upon us.
O Christ, hear us.
O Christ, hear us.
Lord, have mercy upon us.
Lord, have mercy upon us.
Christ, have mercy upon us.
Christ, have mercy upon us.
Lord, have mercy upon us.
Lord, have mercy upon us.
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¶ Then shall the Minister, and the People with him, say the Lord’s Prayer.
OUR Father, who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy Name.
Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, On earth as it
is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive
us our trespasses, As we forgive those who trespass against
us. And lead us not into temptation, But deliver us from
evil. Amen.
& The Minister may, at his discretion, omit all that followeth, to the
Prayer, We humbly beseech thee, O Father, etc.
Minister.
O LORD, deal not with us according to our sins.
Neither reward us according to our iniquities.
Let us pray.
O GOD, merciful Father, who despisest not the sighing
of a contrite heart, nor the desire of such as are sorrowful;
Mercifully assist our prayers which we make before
thee in all our troubles and adversities, whensoever they
oppress us; and graciously hear us, that those evils which
the craft and subtilty of the devil or man worketh against
us, may, by thy good providence, be brought to nought;
that we thy servants, being hurt by no persecutions, may
evermore give thanks unto thee in thy holy Church;
through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.
¶ Minister and People.
O Lord, arise, help us, and deliver us for thy Name’s sake.
Minister.
O GOD, we have heard with our ears, and our fathers
have declared unto us, the noble works that thou didst
in their days, and in the old time before them.
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¶ Minister and People.
O Lord, arise, help us, and deliver us for thine honour.
Minister.
Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy
Ghost;
As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, world
without end. Amen.
From our enemies defend us, O Christ.
Graciously look upon our afflictions.
With pity behold the sorrows of our hearts.
Mercifully forgive the sins of thy people.
Favourably with mercy hear our prayers.
O Son of David, have mercy upon us.
Both now and ever vouchsafe to hear us, O Christ.
Graciously hear us, O Christ; graciously hear us, O Lord
Christ.
O Lord, let thy mercy be showed upon us;
As we do put our trust in thee.
Let us pray.
WE humbly beseech thee, O Father, mercifully to look
upon our infirmities; and, for the glory of thy
Name, turn from us all those evils that we most justly have
deserved; and grant, that in all our troubles we may put
our whole trust and confidence in thy mercy, and evermore
serve thee in holiness and pureness of living, to thy honour
and glory; through our only Mediator and Advocate, Jesus
Christ our Lord. Amen.
& The Minister may end the Litany here, or at his discretion add other
prayers from this Book.
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For Ash Wednesday.
& On the First Day of Lent, the Office ensuing may be read immediately
after the Prayer, We humbly beseech thee, O Father, in the Litany;
or it may be used with Morning Prayer, or Evening Prayer, or as a
separate Office.
& The same Office may be read at other times, at the discretion of the
Minister.
& The Minister and the People kneeling, then shall be said by them this
Psalm following.
Miserere mei, Deus. Psalm li. HAVE mercy upon me, O God, after thy great goodness;
* according to the multitude of thy mercies
do away mine offences.
Wash me throughly from my wickedness, * and
cleanse me from my sin.
For I acknowledge my faults, * and my sin is ever before
me.
Against thee only have I sinned, and done this evil in
thy sight; * that thou mightest be justified in thy saying,
and clear when thou art judged.
Behold, I was shapen in wickedness, * and in sin hath my
mother conceived me.
But lo, thou requirest truth in the inward parts, * and
shalt make me to understand wisdom secretly.
Thou shalt purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean; *
thou shalt wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.
Thou shalt make me hear of joy and gladness, * that the
bones which thou hast broken may rejoice.
Turn thy face from my sins, * and put out all my misdeeds.
Make me a clean heart, O God, * and renew a right spirit
within me.
Cast me not away from thy presence, * and take not thy
holy Spirit from me.
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O give me the comfort of thy help again, * and stablish
me with thy free Spirit.
Then shall I teach thy ways unto the wicked, * and sinners
shall be converted unto thee.
Deliver me from blood-guiltiness, O God, thou that art
the God of my health; * and my tongue shall sing of thy
righteousness.
Thou shalt open my lips, O Lord, * and my mouth shall
show thy praise.
For thou desirest no sacrifice, else would I give it thee; *
but thou delightest not in burnt-offerings.
The sacrifice of God is a troubled spirit: * a broken and
contrite heart, O God, shalt thou not despise.
Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, * and to the Holy
Ghost;
As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, *
world without end. Amen.
& If the Litany hath been already said. the Minister may pass at once to
O Lord, save thy servants; etc.
Lord, have mercy upon us.
Christ, have mercy upon us.
Lord, have mercy upon us.
OUR Father, who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy Name.
Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, On earth as it
is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive
us our trespasses, As we forgive those who trespass against
us. And lead us not into temptation, But deliver us from
evil. Amen.
O Lord, save thy servants;
That put their trust in thee.
Send unto them help from above.
And evermore mightily defend them.
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Help us, O God our Saviour.
And for the glory of thy Name deliver us; be merciful to us
sinners, for thy Name’s sake.
O Lord, hear our prayer.
And let our cry come unto thee.
Let us pray.
O LORD, we beseech thee, mercifully hear our prayers,
and spare all those who confess their sins unto thee;
that they, whose consciences by sin are accused, by thy
merciful pardon may be absolved; through Christ our Lord.
Amen.
O MOST mighty God, and merciful Father, who hast
compassion upon all men, and who wouldest not the
death of a sinner, but rather that he should turn from his
sin, and be saved; Mercifully forgive us our trespasses; receive
and comfort us, who are grieved and wearied with the
burden of our sins. Thy property is always to have mercy;
to thee only it appertaineth to forgive sins. Spare us therefore,
good Lord, spare thy people, whom thou hast redeemed;
enter not into judgment with thy servants; but so
turn thine anger from us, who meekly acknowledge our
transgressions, and truly repent us of our faults, and so make
haste to help us in this world, that we may ever live with
thee in the world to come; through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Amen.
¶ Then shall the People say this that followeth, after the Minister.
TURN thou us, O good Lord, and so shall we be turned.
Be favourable, O Lord, Be favourable to thy people,
Who turn to thee in weeping, fasting, and praying. For thou
art a merciful God, Full of compassion, Long-suffering, and
of great pity. Thou sparest when we deserve punishment,
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And in thy wrath thinkest upon mercy. Spare thy people,
good Lord, spare them, And let not thine heritage be
brought to confusion. Hear us, O Lord, for thy mercy is
great, And after the multitude of thy mercies look upon us;
Through the merits and mediation of thy blessed Son, Jesus
Christ our Lord. Amen.
¶ Then the Minister shall say,
O GOD, whose nature and property is ever to have
mercy and to forgive; Receive our humble petitions;
and though we be tied and bound with the chain of our
sins, yet let the pitifulness of thy great mercy loose us; for
the honour of Jesus Christ, our Mediator and Advocate.
Amen.
THE Lord bless us, and keep us. The Lord make his
face to shine upon us, and be gracious unto us. The
Lord lift up his countenance upon us, and give us peace,
both now and evermore. Amen.

The Order for
The Administration of the Lord’s Supper
or
Holy Communion
& At the Communion-time the Holy Table shall have upon it a fair
white linen cloth. And the Priest, standing reverently before the Holy
Table, shall say the Lord’s Prayer and the Collect following, the
People kneeling; but the Lord’s Prayer may be omitted at the discretion
of the Priest.
OUR Father, who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy Name.
Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, On earth as it
is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive
us our trespasses, As we forgive those who trespass against
us. And lead us not into temptation, But deliver us from
evil. Amen.
The Collect. ALMIGHTY God, unto whom all hearts are open, all
desires known, and from whom no secrets are hid;
Cleanse the thoughts of our hearts by the inspiration
of thy Holy Spirit, that we may perfectly love
thee, and worthily magnify thy holy Name; through Christ
our Lord. Amen.
& Then shall the Priest, turning to the People, rehearse distinctly The
Ten Commandments; and the People, still kneeling, shall, after every
Commandment, ask God mercy for their transgressions for the time
past, and grace to keep the law for the time to come.
& And Note, That in rehearsing The Ten Commandments, the Priest
may omit that part of the Commandment which is inset.
& The Decalogue may be omitted, provided it be said at least one
Sunday in each month. But NOTE, That whenever it is omitted, the
Priest shall say the Summary of the Law, beginning, Hear what our
Lord Jesus Christ saith.
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The Decalogue.
GOD spake these words, and said:
I am the Lord thy God; Thou shalt have none
other gods but me.
Lord, have mercy upon us, and incline our hearts to keep this
law.
Thou shalt not make to thyself any graven image, nor
the likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or in the
earth beneath, or in the water under the earth; thou shalt
not bow down to them, nor worship them;
for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, and visit the sins
of the fathers upon the children, unto the third and fourth
generation of them that hate me; and show mercy unto thousands
in them that love me and keep my commandments.
Lord, have mercy upon us, and incline our hearts to keep this
law.
Thou shalt not take the Name of the Lord thy God in
vain;
for the Lord will not hold him guiltless, that taketh his Name
in vain.
Lord, have mercy upon us, and incline our hearts to keep this
law.
Remember that thou keep holy the Sabbath-day.
Six days shalt thou labour, and do all that thou hast to do; but
the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God. In it
thou shalt do no manner of work; thou, and thy son, and thy
daughter, thy man-servant, and thy maid-servant, thy cattle,
and the stranger that is within thy gates. For in six days the
LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is,
and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the
seventh day, and hallowed it.
Lord, have mercy upon us, and incline our hearts to keep this
law.
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Honour thy father and thy mother;
that thy days may be long in the land which the LORD thy
God giveth thee.
Lord, have mercy upon us, and incline our hearts to keep this
law.
Thou shalt do no murder.
Lord, have mercy upon us, and incline our hearts to keep this
law.
Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Lord, have mercy upon us, and incline our hearts to keep this
law.
Thou shalt not steal.
Lord, have mercy upon us, and incline our hearts to keep this
law.
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Lord, have mercy upon us, and incline our hearts to keep this
law.
Thou shalt not covet
thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s
wife, nor his servant, nor his maid, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor
any thing that is his.
Lord, have mercy upon us, and write all these thy laws in our
hearts, we beseech thee.
¶ Then may the Priest say,
Hear what our Lord Jesus Christ saith.
THOU shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart,
and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the
first and great commandment. And the second is like unto
it; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two
commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.
¶ Here, if the Decalogue hath been omitted, shall be said,
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Lord, have mercy upon us.
Christ, have mercy upon us.
Lord, have mercy upon us.
¶ Then the Priest may say,
O ALMIGHTY Lord, and everlasting God, vouchsafe,
we beseech thee, to direct, sanctify, and govern, both
our hearts and bodies, in the ways of thy laws, and in the
works of thy commandments; that, through thy most mighty
protection, both here and ever, we may be preserved in
body and soul; through our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
Amen.
¶ Here shall be said,
The Lord be with you.
Answer. And with thy spirit.
Minister. Let us pray.
¶ Then shall the Priest say the Collect of the Day. And after the Collect
the Minister appointed shall read the Epistle, first saying, The Epistle
is written in the — Chapter of —, beginning at the — Verse. The
Epistle ended, he shall say, Here endeth the Epistle.
¶ Here may be sung a Hymn or an Anthem.
¶ Then, all the People standing, the Minister appointed shall read the
Gospel, first saying, The Holy Gospel is written in the — Chapter of —,
beginning at the — Verse.
¶ Here shall be said,
Glory be to t hee, O Lord.
¶ And after the Gospel may be said,
Praise be to thee, O Christ.
& Then shall be said the Creed commonly called the Nicene, or else the
Apostles’ Creed but the Creed may be omitted, if it hath been said
immediately before in Morning Prayer; Provided, That the Nicene
Creed shall be said on Christmas Day, Easter Day, Ascension Day,
Whitsunday, and Trinity Sunday.
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I BELIEVE in one God the Father Almighty, Maker of
heaven and earth, And of all things visible and invisible:
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of
God; Begotten of his Father before all worlds, God of God,
Light of Light, Very God of very God; Begotten, not made;
Being of one substance with the Father; By whom all things
were made: Who for us men and for our salvation came
down from heaven, And was incarnate by the Holy Ghost
of the Virgin Mary, And was made man: And was crucified
also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried:
And the third day he rose again according to the Scriptures:
And ascended into heaven, And sitteth on the right
hand of the Father: And he shall come again, with glory, to
judge both the quick and the dead; Whose kingdom shall
have no end.
And I believe in the Holy Ghost, The Lord, and Giver
of Life, Who proceedeth from the Father and the Son;
Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped
and glorified; Who spake by the Prophets: And I believe
one Catholic and Apostolic Church: I acknowledge one
Baptism for the remission of sins: And I look for the Resurrection
of the dead: And the Life of the world to come.
Amen.
& Then shall be declared unto the People what Holy Days, or Fasting
Days, are in the week following to be observed; and (if occasion be)
shall Notice be given of the Communion, and of the Banns of Matrimony,
and of other matters to be published.
& Here, or immediately after the Creed, may be said the Bidding Prayer,
or other authorized prayers and intercessions.
& Then followeth the Sermon. After which, the Priest, when there is
a Com-munion, shall return to the Holy Table, and begin the Offertory,
saying one or more of these Sentences following, as he thinketh
most convenient.
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REMEMBER the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said,
It is more blessed to give than to receive. Acts xx. 35.
Let your light so shine before men, that they may see
your good works, and glorify your Father which is in
heaven. St. Matt. v. 16.
Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where
moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break
through and steal: but lay up for yourselves treasures in
heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where
thieves do not break through nor steal. St. Matt. vi. 19, 20.
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter
into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of
my Father which is in heaven. St. Matt. vii. 21.
He that soweth little shall reap little; and he that soweth
plenteously shall reap plenteously. Let every man do according
as he is disposed in his heart, not grudgingly, or of
necessity; for God loveth a cheerful giver. 2 Cor. ix. 6, 7.
While we have time, let us do good unto all men; and
especially unto them that are of the household of faith.
Gal. vi. 10.
God is not unrighteous, that he will forget your works,
and labour that proceedeth of love; which love ye have
showed for his Name’s sake, who have ministered unto the
saints, and yet do minister. Heb. vi. 10.
To do good, and to distribute, forget not; for with such
sacrifices God is well pleased. Heb. xiii. 16.
Whoso hath this world’s good, and seeth his brother have
need, and shutteth up his compassion from him, how dwelleth
the love of God in him? 1 St. John iii. 17.
Be merciful after thy power. If thou hast much, give
plenteously; if thou hast little, do thy diligence gladly to
give of that little: for so gatherest thou thyself a good reward
in the day of necessity. Tobit iv. 8, 9.
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And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I
say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the
least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. St.
Matt. xxv. 40.
How then shall they call on him in whom they have not
believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they
have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
and how shall they preach, except they be sent? Rom. x. 14, 15.
Jesus said unto them, The harvest truly is plenteous, but
the labourers are few: pray ye therefore the Lord of the
harvest, that he send forth labourers into his harvest.
St. Luke x. 2.
Ye shall not appear before the LORD empty; every man
shall give as he is able, according to the blessing of the Lord
thy God which he hath given thee. Deut. xvi. 16, 17.
Thine, O Lord, is the greatness, and the power, and the
glory, and the victory, and the majesty: for all that is in
the heaven and in the earth is thine; thine is the kingdom,
O Lord, and thou art exalted as head above all. 1 Chron.
xxix. 11.
All things come of thee, O Lord, and of thine own have
we given thee. 1 Chron. xxix. 14.
& And Note, That these Sentences may be used on any other occasion
of Public Worship when the Offerings of the People are to be received.
& The Deacons, Church-wardens, or other fit persons appointed for
that purpose, shall receive the Alms for the Poor, and other Offerings
of the People, in a decent Basin to be provided by the Parish; and
reverently bring it to the Priest, who shall humbly present and place
it upon the Holy Table.
& And the Priest shall then offer, and shall place upon the Holy Table,
the Bread and the Wine.
& And when the Alms and Oblations are being received and presented,
there may be sung a Hymn, or an Offertory Anthem in the words of
Holy Scripture or of the Book of Common Prayer, under the direction
of the Priest.
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& Here the Priest may ask the secret intercessions of the Congregation
for any who have desired the prayers of the Church.
¶ Then shall the Priest say,
Let us pray for the whole state of Christ’s Church.
ALMIGHTY and everliving God, who by thy holy
Apostle hast taught us to make prayers, and supplications,
and to give thanks for all men; We humbly beseech
thee most mercifully to accept our [alms and] oblations, and
to receive these our prayers, which we offer unto thy Divine
Majesty; beseeching thee to inspire continually the
Universal Church with the spirit of truth, unity, and concord:
And grant that all those who do confess thy holy
Name may agree in the truth of thy holy Word, and live
in unity and godly love.
We beseech thee also, so to direct and dispose the hearts
of all Christian Rulers, that they may truly and impartially
administer justice, to the punishment of wickedness and
vice, and to the maintenance of thy true religion, and virtue.
Give grace, O heavenly Father, to all Bishops and other
Ministers, that they may, both by their life and doctrine,
set forth thy true and lively Word, and rightly and duly administer
thy holy Sacraments.
And to all thy People give thy heavenly grace; and especially
to this congregation here present; that, with meek
heart and due reverence, they may hear, and receive thy
holy Word; truly serving thee in holiness and righteousness
all the days of their life.
And we most humbly beseech thee, of thy goodness, O
Lord, to comfort and succour all those who, in this transitory
life, are in trouble, sorrow, need, sickness, or any other
adversity.
And we also bless thy holy Name for all thy servants departed
this life in thy faith and fear; beseeching thee to
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grant them continual growth in thy love and service, and
to give us grace so to follow their good examples, that with
them we may be partakers of thy heavenly kingdom. Grant
this, O Father, for Jesus Christ’s sake, our only Mediator and
Advocate. Amen.
¶ Then shall the Priest say to those who come to receive the Holy Communion,
YE who do truly and earnestly repent you of your sins,
and are in love and charity with your neighbours, and
intend to lead a new life, following the commandments of
God, and walking from henceforth in his holy ways; Draw
near with faith, and take this holy Sacrament to your comfort;
and make your humble confession to Almighty God,
devoutly kneeling.
& Then shall this General Confession be made, by the Priest and all
those who are minded to receive the Holy Communion, humbly
kneeling.
ALMIGHTY God, Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
Maker of all things, Judge of all men; We acknowledge
and bewail our manifold sins and wickedness, Which
we, from time to time, most grievously have committed, By
thought, word, and deed, Against thy Divine Majesty, Provoking
most justly thy wrath and indignation against us.
We do earnestly repent, And are heartily sorry for these our
misdoings; The remembrance of them is grievous unto us;
The burden of them is intolerable. Have mercy upon us,
Have mercy upon us, most merciful Father; For thy Son
our Lord Jesus Christ’s sake, Forgive us all that is past; And
grant that we may ever hereafter Serve and please thee
In newness of life, To the honour and glory of thy Name;
Through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.
& Then shall the Priest (the Bishop if he be present) stand up, and turning
to the People, say,
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ALMIGHTY God, our heavenly Father, who of his great
mercy hath promised forgiveness of sins to all those
who with hearty repentance and true faith turn unto him;
Have mercy upon you; pardon and deliver you from all
your sins; confirm and strengthen you in all goodness; and
bring you to everlasting life; through Jesus Christ our
Lord. Amen.
¶ Then shall the Priest say,
Hear what comfortable words our Saviour Christ saith
unto all who truly turn to him.
COME unto me, all ye that travail and are heavy laden,
and I will refresh you. St. Matt. xi. 28.
So God loved the world, that he gave his only-begotten
Son, to the end that all that believe in him should not perish,
but have everlasting life. St. John iii. 16.
Hear also what Saint Paul saith.
This is a true saying, and worthy of all men to be received,
That Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners.
1 Tim. i. 15.
Hear also what Saint John saith.
If any man sin, we have an Advocate with the Father,
Jesus Christ the righteous; and he is the Propitiation for
our sins. 1 St. John ii. 1, 2.
¶ After which the Priest shall proceed, saying,
Lift up your hearts.
Answer. We lift them up unto the Lord.
Priest. Let us give thanks unto our Lord God.
Answer. It is meet and right so to do.
¶ Then shall the Priest turn to the Holy Table, and say,
IT is very meet, right, and our bounden duty, that we
should at all times, and in all places, give thanks unto thee,
O Lord, Holy Father, Almighty, Everlasting God.
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¶ Here shall follow the Proper Preface, according to the time, if there
be any specially appointed; or else immediately shall be said or sung
by the Priest,
THEREFORE with Angels and Archangels, and with all
the company of heaven, we laud and magnify thy
glorious Name; evermore praising thee, and saying,
HOLY, HOLY, HOLY, Lord God of
hosts, Heaven and earth are full of thy
glory: Glory be to thee, O Lord Most High. Amen.

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PROPER PREFACES.
CHRISTMAS.
¶ Upon Christmas Day, and seven days after.
BECAUSE thou didst give Jesus Christ, thine only
Son, to be born as at this time for us; who, by
the operation of the Holy Ghost, was made very man,
of the substance of the Virgin Mary his mother; and
that without spot of sin, to make us clean from all sin.
Therefore with Angels, etc.
EPIPHANY.
¶ Upon the Epiphany, and seven days after.
THROUGH Jesus Christ our Lord; who, in substance
of our mortal flesh, manifested forth his
glory; that he might bring us out of darkness into his
own glorious light.
Therefore with Angels, etc.
PURIFICATION, ANNUNCIATION, AND TRANSFIGURATION.
¶ Upon the Feasts of the Purification, Annunciation, and Transfiguration.
BECAUSE in the Mystery of the Word made flesh,
thou hast caused a new light to shine in our hearts,
¶ Priest and People.
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to give the knowledge of thy glory in the face of thy Son
Jesus Christ our Lord.
Therefore with Angels, etc.
EASTER.
¶ Upon Easter Day, and seven days after.
BUT chiefly are we bound to praise thee for the
glorious Resurrection of thy Son Jesus Christ our
Lord: for he is the very Paschal Lamb, which was offered
for us, and hath taken away the sin of the world;
who by his death hath destroyed death, and by his rising
to life again hath restored to us everlasting life.
Therefore with Angels, etc.
ASCENSION.
¶ Upon Ascension Day, and seven days after.
THROUGH thy most dearly beloved Son Jesus
Christ our Lord; who, after his most glorious Resurrection,
manifestly appeared to all his Apostles, and
in their sight ascended up into heaven, to prepare a
place for us; that where he is, thither we might also
ascend, and reign with him in glory.
Therefore with Angels, etc.
WHITSUNTIDE.
¶ Upon Whitsunday, and six days after.
THROUGH Jesus Christ our Lord; according to
whose most true promise, the Holy Ghost came
down as at this time from heaven, lighting upon the
disciples, to teach them, and to lead them into all truth;
giving them boldness with fervent zeal con-stantly to
preach the Gospel unto all nations; whereby we have
been brought out of darkness and error into the clear
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light and true knowledge of thee, and of thy Son Jesus
Christ.
Therefore with Angels, etc.
TRINITY SUNDAY.
¶ Upon the Feast of Trinity only.
WHO, with thine only-begotten Son, and the Holy
Ghost, art one God, one Lord, in Trinity of
Persons and in Unity of Substance. For that which we
believe of thy glory, O Father, the same we believe of
the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, without any difference
of inequality.
Therefore with Angels, etc.
¶ Or this.
FOR the precious death and merits of thy Son Jesus
Christ our Lord, and for the sending to us of the
Holy Ghost, the Comforter; who are one with thee in
thy Eternal Godhead.
Therefore with Angels, etc.
ALL SAINTS.
¶ Upon All Saints’ Day, and seven days after.
WHO, in the multitude of thy Saints, hast compassed
us about with so great a cloud of witnesses
that we, rejoicing in their fellowship, may run
with patience the race that is set before us, and, together
with them, may receive the crown of glory
that fadeth not away.
Therefore with Angels and Archangels, and with all
the company of heaven, we laud and magnify thy glorious
Name; evermore praising thee, and saying,
HOLY, HOLY, HOLY, Lord God
of hosts, Heaven and earth are full of
thy glory: Glory be to thee, O Lord Most High. Amen.
¶ Priest and People.
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¶ When the Priest, standing before the Holy Table, hath so ordered the
Bread and Wine, that he may with the more readiness and decency
break the Bread before the People, and take the Cup into his hands, he
shall say the Prayer of Consecration, as followeth. ALL glory be to thee, Almighty God, our heavenly
Father, for that thou, of thy tender mercy, didst
give thine only Son Jesus Christ to suffer death
upon the Cross for our redemption; who made
there (by his one oblation of himself once offered) a full,
perfect, and sufficient sacrifice, oblation, and satisfaction, for
the sins of the whole world; and did institute,
and in his holy Gospel command us to continue,
a perpetual memory of that his precious
death and sacrifice, until his coming
again: For in the night in which he was betrayed,
(a) he took Bread; and when he had
given thanks, (b) he brake it, and gave it to
his disciples, saying, Take, eat, (c) this is my
Body, which is given for you; Do this in remembrance
of me. Likewise, after supper, (d)
he took the Cup; and when he had given
thanks, he gave it to them, saying, Drink
ye all of this; for (e) this is my Blood of the
New Testament, which is shed for you, and
for many, for the remission of sins; Do this,
as oft as ye shall drink it, in remembrance
of me.
WHEREFORE, O Lord and heavenly
Father, according to the institution of thy
dearly beloved Son our Saviour Jesus Christ,
we, thy humble servants, do celebrate and make here before
thy Divine Majesty, with these thy holy gifts, which we
now offer unto thee, the memorial thy Son hath commanded
(a) Here the
Priest is to take
the Paten into
his hands.
(b) And here to
break the Bread.
(c) And here to
lay his hand upon
all the Bread.
(d) Here he is
to take the Cup
into his hands.
(e) And here
he is to lay
his hand upon
every vessel in
which there is
any Wine to
be consecrated.
The Oblation.
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us to make; having in remembrance his blessed passion and
precious death, his mighty resurrection and glorious ascension;
rendering unto thee most hearty thanks for the innumerable
benefits procured unto us by the same.
AND we most humbly beseech thee, O
merciful Father, to hear us; and, of
thy almighty goodness, vouchsafe to bless and sanctify, with
thy Word and Holy Spirit, these thy gifts and creatures of
bread and wine; that we, receiving them according to thy
Son our Saviour Jesus Christ’s holy institution, in remembrance
of his death and passion, may be partakers of his
most blessed Body and Blood.
AND we earnestly desire thy fatherly goodness, mercifully
to accept this our sacrifice of praise and thanksgiving;
most humbly beseeching thee to grant that, by the
merits and death of thy Son Jesus Christ, and through faith
in his blood, we, and all thy whole Church, may obtain remission
of our sins, and all other benefits of his passion.
And here we offer and present unto thee, O Lord, our
selves, our souls and bodies, to be a reasonable, holy, and
living sacrifice unto thee; humbly beseeching thee, that we,
and all others who shall be partakers of this Holy Communion,
may worthily receive the most precious Body and
Blood of thy Son Jesus Christ, be filled with thy grace and
heavenly benediction, and made one body with him, that he
may dwell in us, and we in him. And although we are unworthy,
through our manifold sins, to offer unto thee any
sacrifice; yet we beseech thee to accept this our bounden
duty and service; not weighing our merits, but pardoning
our offences, through Jesus Christ our Lord; by whom, and
with whom, in the unity of the Holy Ghost, all honour and
glory be unto thee, O Father Almighty, world without end.
Amen.
The Invocation.
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And now, as our Saviour Christ hath taught us, we are
bold to say,
OUR Father, who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy Name.
Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, On earth as it
is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive
us our trespasses, As we forgive those who trespass against
us. And lead us not into temptation, But deliver us from
evil. For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the
glory, for ever and ever. Amen.
& Then shall the Priest, kneeling down at the Lord’s Table, say, in the
name of all those who shall receive the Communion, this Prayer
following.
WE do not presume to come to this thy Table, O merciful
Lord, trusting in our own righteousness, but in
thy manifold and great mercies. We are not worthy so much
as to gather up the crumbs under thy Table. But thou art
the same Lord, whose property is always to have mercy:
Grant us therefore, gracious Lord, so to eat the flesh of thy
dear Son Jesus Christ, and to drink his blood, that our
sinful bodies may be made clean by his body, and our souls
washed through his most precious blood, and that we may
evermore dwell in him, and he in us. Amen.
¶ Here may be sung a Hymn.
& Then shall the Priest First receive the Holy Communion in both kinds
him self, and proceed to deliver the same to the Bishops, Priests, and
Deacons, in like manner, (if any be present,) and, after that, to the
People also in order, into their hands, all devoutly kneeling. And sufficient
opportunity shall be given to those present to communicate.
And when he delivereth the Bread, he shall say,
THE Body of our Lord Jesus Christ, which was given
for thee, preserve thy body and soul unto everlasting
life. Take and eat this in remembrance that Christ died for
thee, and feed on him in thy heart by faith, with thanksgiving.
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¶ And the Minister who delivereth the Cup shall say,
THE Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ, which was shed for
thee, preserve thy body and soul unto everlasting life.
Drink this in remembrance that Christ’s Blood was shed for
thee, and be thankful.
& If the consecrated Bread or Wine be spent before all have communicated,
the Priest is to consecrate more, according to the Form before
prescribed; beginning at, All glory be to thee, Almighty God, and
ending with these words, partakers of his most blessed Body and Blood.
& When an have communicated, the Priest shall return to the Lord’s
Table, and reverently place upon it what remaineth of the consecrated
Elements, covering the same with a fair linen cloth.
¶ Then shall the Priest say,
Let us pray.
ALMIGHTY and everliving God, we most heartily thank
thee, for that thou dost vouchsafe to feed us who have
duly received these holy mysteries, with the spiritual food
of the most precious Body and Blood of thy Son our Saviour
Jesus Christ; and dost assure us thereby of thy favour
and goodness towards us; and that we are very members
incorporate in the mystical body of thy Son, which is the
blessed company of all faithful people; and are also heirs
through hope of thy everlasting kingdom, by the merits of
his most precious death and passion. And we humbly beseech
thee, O heavenly Father, so to assist us with thy
grace, that we may continue in that holy fellowship, and do
all such good works as thou hast prepared for us to walk in;
through Jesus Christ our Lord, to whom, with thee and the
Holy Ghost, be all honour and glory, world without end.
Amen.
¶ Then shall be said the Gloria in excelsis, all standing, or some proper
Hymn.
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GLORY be to God on high, and on earth peace, good
will towards men. We praise thee, we bless thee, we
worship thee, we glorify thee, we give thanks to thee for thy
great glory, O Lord God, heavenly King, God the Father
Almighty.
O Lord, the only-begotten Son, Jesus Christ; O Lord
God, Lamb of God, Son of the Father, that takest away the
sins of the world, have mercy upon us. Thou that takest
away the sins of the world, receive our prayer. Thou that
sittest at the right hand of God the Father, have mercy
upon us.
For thou only art holy; thou only art the Lord; thou only,
O Christ, with the Holy Ghost, art most high in the glory
of God the Father. Amen.
& Then, the People kneeling, the Priest (the Bishop if he be present) shall
let them depart with this Blessing.
THE Peace of God, which passeth all understanding,
keep your hearts and minds in the knowledge and love
of God, and of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord: And the Blessing
of God Almighty, the Father, the Son, and the Holy
Ghost, be amongst you, and remain with you always. Amen.
GENERAL RUBRICS.
& In the absence of a Priest, a Deacon may say all that is before appointed
unto the end of the Gospel.
& Upon the Sundays and other Holy Days, (though there be no Sermon
or Communion,) may be said all that is appointed at the Communion,
unto the end of the Gospel, concluding with the Blessing.
& And if any of the consecrated Bread and Wine remain after the Communion,
it shall not be carried out of the Church; but the Minister and
other Communicants shall, immediately after the Blessing, reverently
eat and drink the same.
& If among those who come to be partakers of the Holy Communion,
the Minister shall know any to be an open and notorious evil liver,
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or to have done any wrong to his neighbours by word or deed, so that
the Congregation be thereby offended; he shall advertise him, that
he presume not to come to the Lord’s Table, until he have openly
declared himself to have truly repented and amended his former evil
life, that the Congregation may thereby be satisfied; and that he hath
recompensed the parties to whom he hath done wrong; or at least
declare himself to be in full purpose so to do, as soon as he conveniently
may.
& The same order shall the Minister use with those, betwixt whom he
perceiveth malice and hatred to reign; not suffering them to be partakers
of the Lord’s Table, until he know them to be reconciled. And
if one of the parties, so at variance, be content to forgive from the bottom
of his heart all that the other hath trespassed against him, and to
make amends for that wherein he himself hath offended; and the other
party will not be persuaded to a godly unity, but remain still in his
frowardness and malice; the Minister in that case ought to admit the
penitent person to the Holy Communion, and not him that is obstinate.
Provided, That every Minister so repelling any, as is herein
specified, shall be obliged to give an account of the same to the Ordinary,
within fourteen days after, at the farthest.
THE EXHORTATIONS.
& At the time of the Celebration of the Communion, after the prayer
for the whole state of Christ’s Church, the Priest may say this Exhortation.
And Note, That the Exhortation shall be said on the First
Sunday in Advent, the First Sunday in Lent, and Trinity Sunday.
DEARLY beloved in the Lord, ye who mind to come to
the holy Communion of the Body and Blood of our
Saviour Christ, must consider how Saint Paul exhorteth all
persons diligently to try and examine themselves, before
they presume to eat of that Bread, and drink of that Cup. For
as the benefit is great, if with a true penitent heart and lively
faith we receive that holy Sacrament; so is the danger great,
if we receive the same unworthily. Judge therefore yourselves,
brethren, that ye be not judged of the Lord; repent
you truly for your sins past; have a lively and stedfast faith
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in Christ our Saviour; amend your lives, and be in perfect
charity with all men; so shall ye be meet partakers of those
holy mysteries. And above all things ye must give most
humble and hearty thanks to God, the Father, the Son, and
the Holy Ghost, for the redemption of the world by the
death and passion of our Saviour Christ, both God and man;
who did humble himself, even to the death upon the Cross,
for us, miserable sinners, who lay in darkness and the shadow
of death; that he might make us the children of God, and
exalt us to everlasting life. And to the end that we should
always remember the exceeding great love of our Master,
and only Saviour, Jesus Christ, thus dying for us, and the
innumerable benefits which by his precious blood-shedding
he hath obtained for us; he hath instituted and ordained
holy mysteries, as pledges of his love, and for a continual
remembrance of his death, to our great and endless comfort.
To him therefore, with the Father and the Holy Ghost,
let us give, as we are most bounden, continual thanks; submitting
ourselves wholly to his holy will and pleasure, and
studying to serve him in true holiness and righteousness all
the days of our life. Amen.
& When the Minister giveth warning for the Celebration of the Holy
Communion, (which he shall always do upon the Sunday, or some Holy
Day, immediately preceding,) he shall read this Exhortation following;
or so much thereof as, in his discretion, he may think convenient.
DEARLY beloved, on —— day next I purpose, through
God’s assistance, to administer to all such as shall be
religiously and devoutly disposed the most comfortable
Sacrament of the Body and Blood of Christ; to be by them
received in remembrance of his meritorious Cross and Passion;
whereby alone we obtain remission of our sins, and are
made partakers of the Kingdom of heaven. Wherefore it is
our duty to render most humble and hearty thanks to AlHoly
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mighty God, our heavenly Father, for that he hath given
his Son our Saviour Jesus Christ, not only to die for us,
but also to be our spiritual food and sustenance in that holy
Sacrament. Which being so divine and comfortable a thing
to them who receive it worthily, and so dangerous to those
who will presume to receive it unworthily; my duty is to
exhort you, in the mean season to consider the dignity of
that holy mystery, and the great peril of the unworthy receiving
thereof; and so to search and examine your own
consciences, and that not lightly, and after the manner of
dissemblers with God; but so that ye may come holy and
clean to such a heavenly Feast, in the marriage-garment required
by God in holy Scripture, and be received as worthy
partakers of that holy Table.
The way and means thereto is: First, to examine your
lives and conversations by the rule of God’s commandments;
and whereinsoever ye shall perceive yourselves to
have offended, either by will, word, or deed, there to bewail
your own sinfulness, and to confess yourselves to Almighty
God, with full purpose of amendment of life. And if ye shall
perceive your offences to be such as are not only against
God, but also against your neighbours; then ye shall reconcile
yourselves unto them; being ready to make restitution
and satisfaction, according to the uttermost of your powers,
for all injuries and wrongs done by you to any other; and
being likewise ready to forgive others who have offended
you, as ye would have forgiveness of your offences at God’s
hand: for otherwise the receiving of the holy Communion
doth nothing else but increase your condemnation. Therefore,
if any of you be a blasphemer of God, an hinderer or
slanderer of his Word, an adulterer, or be in malice, or envy,
or in any other grievous crime; repent you of your sins, or
else come not to that holy Table.
And because it is requisite that no man should come to
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the holy Communion, but with a full trust in God’s mercy,
and with a quiet conscience; therefore, if there be any of
you, who by this means cannot quiet his own conscience
herein, but requireth further comfort or counsel, let him
come to me, or to some other Minister of God’s Word, and
open his grief; that he may receive such godly counsel and
advice, as may tend to the quieting of his conscience, and
the removing of all scruple and doubtfulness.
& Or, in case he shall see the People negligent to come to the Holy Communion,
instead of the former, he may use this Exhortation.
DEARLY beloved brethren, on —— I intend, by God’s
grace, to celebrate the Lord’s Supper: unto which, in
God’s behalf, I bid you all who are here present; and beseech
you, for the Lord Jesus Christ’s sake, that ye will not
refuse to come thereto, being so lovingly called and bidden
by God himself. Ye know how grievous and unkind a thing
it is, when a man hath prepared a rich feast, decked his
table with all kind of provision, so that there lacketh nothing
but the guests to sit down; and yet they who are called,
without any cause, most unthankfully refuse to come.
Which of you in such a case would not be moved? Who
would not think a great injury and wrong done unto him?
Wherefore, most dearly beloved in Christ, take ye good
heed, lest ye, withdrawing yourselves from this holy Supper,
provoke God’s indignation against you. It is an easy matter
for a man to say, I will not communicate, because I am
otherwise hindered with worldly business. But such excuses
are not so easily accepted and allowed before God. If any
man say, I am a grievous sinner, and therefore am afraid to
come: wherefore then do ye not repent and amend? When
God calleth you, are ye not ashamed to say ye will not
come? When ye should return to God, will ye excuse yourselves,
and say ye are not ready? Consider earnestly with
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yourselves how little such feigned excuses will avail before
God. Those who refused the feast in the Gospel, because they
had bought a farm, or would try their yokes of oxen, or because
they were married, were not so excused, but counted
unworthy of the heavenly feast. Wherefore, according to
mine office, I bid you in the Name of God, I call you in
Christ’s behalf, I exhort you, as ye love your own salvation,
that ye will be partakers of this holy Communion. And as
the Son of God did vouchsafe to yield up his soul by death
upon the Cross for your salvation; so it is your duty to receive
the Communion in remembrance of the sacrifice of
his death, as he himself hath commanded: which if ye shall
neglect to do, consider with yourselves how great is your
ingratitude to God, and how sore punish-ment hangeth over
your heads for the same; when ye wil-fully abstain from the
Lord’s Table, and separate from your brethren, who come
to feed on the banquet of that most heavenly food. These
things if ye earnestly consider, ye will by God’s grace return
to a better mind: for the obtaining whereof we shall
not cease to make our humble petitions unto Almighty
God, our heavenly Father.

The Collects, Epistles, and
Gospels
To be used throughout the Year.
& The Collect, Epistle, and Gospel, appointed for the Sunday, shall serve
all the Week after, where it is not in this Book otherwise ordered.
& The Collect appointed for any Sunday or other Feast may be used at
the Evening Service of the day before.
ADVENT SEASON
The First Sunday in Advent.
The Collect. ALMIGHTY God, give us grace that we may cast
away the works of darkness, and put upon us the
armour of light, now in the time of this mortal life,
in which thy Son Jesus Christ came to visit us
in great humility; that in the last day, when he shall come
again in his glorious majesty to judge both the quick and
the dead, we may rise to the life immortal, through him
who liveth and reigneth with thee and the Holy Ghost, now
and ever. Amen.
& This Collect is to be repeated every day, after the other Collects in
Advent, until Christmas Day.
The Epistle. Romans xiii. 8.
OWE no man any thing, but to love one another: for
he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this,
Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou
shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou
shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it
is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt
love thy neighbour as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his
neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. And
that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake
out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we
believed. The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us
therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on
the armour of light. Let us walk honestly, as in the day;
not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and
wantonness, not in strife and envying. But put ye on the
Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to
fulfil the lusts thereof.
The Gospel. St. Matthew xxi. 1.
WHEN they drew nigh unto Jerusalem, and were
come to Bethphage, unto the mount of Olives, then
sent Jesus two disciples, saying unto them, Go into the village
over against you, and straightway ye shall find an ass
tied, and a colt with her: loose them, and bring them unto
me. And if any man say ought unto you, ye shall say, The
Lord hath need of them; and straightway he will send them.
All this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken
by the prophet, saying, Tell ye the daughter of Sion, Behold,
thy King cometh unto thee, meek, and sitting upon an
ass, and a colt the foal of an ass. And the disciples went, and
did as Jesus commanded them, and brought the ass, and
the colt, and put on them their clothes, and they set him
thereon. And a very great multitude spread their garments
in the way; others cut down branches from the trees, and
strawed them in the way. And the multitudes that went before,
and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the son of
David: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord;
Hosanna in the highest. And when he was come into
Jerusalem, all the city was moved, saying, Who is this? And
the multitude said, This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of
Galilee. And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out
all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew
the tables of the money-changers, and the seats of them
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that sold doves, and said unto them, It is written, My house
shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a
den of thieves.
The Second Sunday in Advent.
The Collect.
BLESSED Lord, who hast caused all holy Scriptures to
be written for our learning; Grant that we may in such
wise hear them, read, mark, learn, and inwardly digest them,
that by patience and comfort of thy holy Word, we may
embrace, and ever hold fast, the blessed hope of everlasting
life, which thou hast given us in our Saviour Jesus Christ.
Amen.
The Epistle. Romans xv. 4.
WHATSOEVER things were written aforetime were
written for our learning, that we through patience
and comfort of the scriptures might have hope. Now
the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded
one toward another according to Christ Jesus: that
ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even
the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. Wherefore receive
ye one another, as Christ also received us to the glory of
God. Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision
for the truth of God, to confirm the promises
made unto the fathers: and that the Gentiles might glorify
God for his mercy; as it is written, For this cause I will confess
to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name.
And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people.
And again, Praise the Lord, all ye Gentiles; and laud him,
all ye people. And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root
of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in
him shall the Gentiles trust. Now the God of hope fill you
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with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in
hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost.
The Gospel. St. Luke xxi. 25.
AND there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon,
and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations,
with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; men’s
hearts fail-ing them for fear, and for looking after those
things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of
heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of
man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. And
when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and
lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. And
he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the
trees; when they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your
own selves that summer is now nigh at hand. So likewise
ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that
the kingdom of God is nigh at hand. Verily I say unto you,
This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not
pass away.
The Third Sunday in Advent.
The C ollect.
O LORD Jesus Christ, who at thy first coming didst send
thy messenger to prepare thy way before thee; Grant
that the ministers and stewards of thy mysteries may likewise
so prepare and make ready thy way, by turning the
hearts of the disobedient to the wisdom of the just, that at
thy second coming to judge the world we may be found
an acceptable people in thy sight, who livest and reignest
with the Father and the Holy Spirit ever, one God, world
without end. Amen.
The 3d Sunday in Advent
93
The Epistle. 1 Corinthians iv. 1.
LET a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ,
and stewards of the mysteries of God. Moreover it is
required in stewards, that a man be found faithful. But with
me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you,
or of man’s judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self. For I
know nothing against myself; yet am I not hereby justified:
but he that judgeth me is the Lord. Therefore judge nothing
before the time, until the Lord come, who both will
bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make
manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every
man have praise of God.
The Gospel. St. Matthew xi. 2.
NOW when John had heard in the prison the works of
Christ, he sent two of his disciples, and said unto him,
Art thou he that should come, or do we look for another?
Jesus answered and said unto them, Go and shew John
again those things which ye do hear and see: the blind
receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are
cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and
the poor have the gospel preached to them. And blessed is
he, whosoever shall not be offended in me. And as they departed,
Jesus began to say unto the multitudes concerning
John, What went ye out into the wilderness to see? A reed
shaken with the wind? But what went ye out for to see? A
man clothed in soft raiment? behold, they that wear soft
clothing are in kings’ houses. But what went ye out for
to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and more than a
prophet. For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send
my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way
before thee.
The 3d Sunday in Advent
94
The Fourth Sunday in Advent.
The C ollect.
O LORD, raise up, we pray thee, thy power, and come
among us, and with great might succour us; that
whereas, through our sins and wickedness, we are sore let
and hindered in running the race that is set before us, thy
bountiful grace and mercy may speedily help and deliver
us; through Jesus Christ our Lord, to whom, with thee and
the Holy Ghost, be honour and glory, world without end.
Amen.
The Epistle. Ph ilippians iv. 4.
REJOICE in the Lord alway: and again I say, Rejoice.
Let your moderation be known unto all men. The
Lord is at hand. Be careful for nothing; but in every thing
by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests
be made known unto God. And the peace of God,
which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and
minds through Christ Jesus,

As you read this thread (if you read this thread) imagine it being spoken by a cross between Rachael Constantine, Vala Mal Doran, Adria, Anna, Diana, Ellen White, Gillian Weir, Gillian Ford, Desmond Ford, and Robert Schuller -- in the context of the New York Queen-Ship!!!!. Take what I just said, very Siriusly. What if the 'Abomination of Desolation' is the Human Race?? What if the 'Cleansing of the Sanctuary' means 'Cleansing the Universe of the Human Race (Sinners) and Sin'? What if the 'Vindicating of the Sanctuary' means the 'Vindication of the Ancient and Traditional Theocratic Government of God'? What if 'Restoring the Sanctuary to its Rightful State' means 'Restoring the Universe to its Pre-Human State'? Was 1844 the Beginning of the End? Will the Extermination of Humanity be the Final Atonement for Sin? What Would Daniel Say? What Would Des Say? What Would Loki Do? Consider William Miller, the Millerite Movement, and the Great Disappointment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millerite_Movement The Jesuits know what I'm talking about. I exist within a very strange space -- and I can't begin to describe how much it hurts. The Horror. BTW -- Sherry Shriner seems to have missed FOUR shows now. This might be significant if Sherry is who I think she might be. I think I need to take another look at Dana https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwLRjs3uh9A and TREEE. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVUu7cfy7uk&feature=relmfu What if they are all one?? What if a lot of mysterious individuals are all one -- historically and presently??!! I encountered a male with a tattoo in the same place as TREEE's -- who I observed performing telekinesis. A long time ago, I mysteriously received a long list of NASA email addresses -- which I never used -- and which I no longer have. The Ancient Egyptian Deity seemed to be genuinely alarmed when I joked that I had the Nuclear Launch Codes!!! Nuff Said!!! The following is rather sad.

The Millerites were the followers of the teachings of William Miller who, in 1833, first shared publicly his belief in the coming Second Advent of Jesus Christ in roughly the year 1843.

Origins

Miller was a prosperous farmer, a Baptist lay preacher and student of the Bible, living in northern New York, in the region of that state which has come to be known as the Burned-over district. Through years of intensive study of symbolic meaning of the prophecies of Daniel and using the year-day method of prophetic interpretation, Miller became convinced that the date of Christ's Second Coming was revealed in Bible prophecy. In September 1822, Miller formally stated his conclusions in a twenty-point document, including article 15, “I believe that the second coming of Jesus Christ is near, even at the door, even within twenty-one years,—on or before 1843.”[1] This document however, remained private for many years.

Miller did eventually share his views—first, to a few friends privately, and later to some ministerial acquaintances. Initially he was disappointed at the lack of response from those he spoke to. “To my astonishment, I found very few who listened with any interest. Occasionally, one would see the force of the evidence, but the great majority passed it by as an idle tale.”[2]

Miller states that he began his public lecturing in the village of Dresden, Washington County, New York, some 16 miles from his home, on “the first Sabbath in August 1833.”[3] However, as Sylvester Bliss points out, “The printed article from which this is copied was written in 1845. By an examination of his correspondence, it appears that he must have begun to lecture in August 1831. So that this date is a mistake of the printer or an error in Mr. Miller's memory.”[1]

In 1832, Miller submitted a series of sixteen articles to the Vermont Telegraph—a Baptist paper. The first of these was published on May 15, and Miller writes of the public’s response, “I began to be flooded with letters of inquiry respecting my views, and visitors flocked to converse with me on the subject.”[4] In 1834, unable to personally comply with many of the urgent requests for information and the invitations to travel and preach that he received, Miller published a synopsis of his teachings in a “little tract of 64 pages.” These he “...scattered, the most of them gratuitously, sending them in reply to letters of inquiry and to places which I could not visit.”[5]

A national movement

From 1840 onward, Millerism was transformed from an “obscure, regional movement into a national campaign.”[6] The key figure in this transformation was Joshua Vaughan Himes—the pastor of Chardon Street Chapel in Boston, and an able and experienced publisher. Though Himes did not fully accept Miller’s ideas until 1842, he established the fortnightly paper Signs of the Times to publicize them. The first edition was published on February 28, 1840, with Himes as editor. It continues to be published by the Seventh-day Adventist Church as a monthly evangelistic magazine under the same name.

Periodical literature played an important part in the rapid and widespread dissemination of Millerite beliefs. “From first to last the power of the press, in this particular form, was one of the foremost factors in the success of this now vigorous, expanding movement.”[7] In addition to the Signs of the Times based in Boston, Millerite papers were published in numerous cities including New York, Philadelphia, Rochester, Cleveland, and Montreal.[8] There were at least 48 Millerite periodicals that circulated in the period leading up to the Great Disappointment. The majority of these, however, were quite short-lived—often a new paper was started whenever a Millerite evangelistic campaign entered a new area.[9]

As well as publications based on geography, the Millerites issued various papers targeting different groups. The Advent Message to the Daughters of Zion focused on female readers, and was first published in May 1844. The Advent Shield was a more academically orientated paper published in Boston and edited by Joshua Vaughan Himes, Sylvester Bliss, and Apollos Hale. Its announced purpose was to “defend the doctrine from the attacks of the enemies, to exhibit the unscriptural position of the opponents, and furnish the truth to those who were ready to receive it.” While only three issues were produced: in May 1844, January 1845, and a final issue in April 1845; it was the largest of the Millerite papers, the first two issues each having 144 pages, and the final having 250.[10]

As the various dates of Christ’s predicted return approached, Millerite publishing went into high gear. In May 1843, 21,000 copies of the various Millerite papers were published for distribution each week. In New York alone, in the five month period ending April 1843, 600,000 copies of various publications were distributed. In December 1843, Himes proposed the publication of one million tracts, while in May 1844, he announced that five million copies of Millerite publications had been distributed up to that time.[11]

A researcher examined the geographical distribution of correspondents to the Millerite periodical Signs of the Times from 1840 to 1847. Out of a total of 615 correspondents, she found that the 131 correspondents from New York state provided the largest group. Vermont provided another 107, with New England (excluding Vermont) accounting for a further 279. Outside of these areas, representation was sparse: 23 in New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware and Maryland combined; just 65 from the west—including 20 from Ohio; and only 10 from the Southern states.[12] While it seems then, that the vast majority of Miller’s followers were of local origin, his message was not limited to his local area—nor even to America. Miller preached across the border in Canada’s Eastern Townships on at least three occasions: in 1835, 1838 and 1840. He made a number of converts there and gained the support of some of the local clergy. At least five Millerite papers were published in Canada: the Faithful Watchman—published in Sherbrooke from January 1843; the influential Voice of Elijah, published in Montreal from June 1843; the short-lived Hope of the Church in St. Thomas in 1844; Behold, He Cometh in Hamilton, and the Bridegroom’s Herald in Toronto, both from mid-1844.[13]

Many travellers or emigrants to the United States who had heard the Second Advent message there returned to their home districts to preach. From 1841, Millerite evangelists appeared in Great Britain, also, though he never travelled there himself.In addition to the nearly $1000 that Miller and Himes spent supplying literature to enquirers and evangelists in Great Britain; “there is evidence that [in Liverpool, Bristol, and other ports] local Millerite pioneers borrowed copies of Miller’s works and Adventist magazines from visiting American sea captains and merchants.”[14] As well as utilizing imported American literature, two Millerite papers were published locally in Great Britain: the Second Advent Harbinger in Bristol, and the British Midnight Cry in Liverpool.[15] The Millerite message entered Australia through the Canadian paper Voice of Elijah. Thomas Playford, living in Adelaide, was converted thus. Playford spread the Millerite message in Australia, even publishing a book of his sermons: Discourses on the Second Advent of Jesus Christ. Playford’s preaching apparently resulted in a number of converts.[16] An English Millerite, James William Bonham, apparently sent copies of The Midnight Cry to Van Diemen’s Land (now Tasmania), though no record remains of their effect.[17] In a similar manner, converts were made in Norway and Chile. A letter published in The Midnight Cry of October 12, 1843, from a Mrs O. S. Burnham of Kaloa, The Sandwich Islands, (now Hawaii) stated that she and her husband had accepted the Millerite message and were worshipping with a small company of believers.[18]

Despite the urging of his supporters, Miller never personally set an exact date for the expected Second Advent. However, in response to their urgings he did narrow the time-period to sometime in the year 1843, stating: “My principles in brief, are, that Jesus Christ will come again to this earth, cleanse, purify, and take possession of the same, with all the saints, sometime between March 21, 1843 and March 21, 1844”[19] March 21, 1844 passed without incident, and the majority of Millerites maintained their faith. On March 25, Miller wrote to Himes, “I am still looking for the Dear Savior…. The time, as I have calculated it, is now filled up; and I expect every moment to see the Savior descend from heaven. I have now nothing to look for but this glorious hope.”[20] As George R. Knight states, the movement’s survival was a result of the fact that, “the Millerite leaders had been ‘soft’ on the time…. They allowed for the possibility of small errors in their calculations and even in some of their historic dates.”[21] In fact, on February 28, Miller himself had written, “If Christ comes, as we expect, we will sing the song of victory soon; if not, we will watch, and pray, and preach until he comes, for soon our time, and all prophetic days, will have been filled.”[22]

Further discussion and study resulted in the brief adoption of a new date—April 18, 1844, one based on the Karaite Jewish calendar (as opposed to the Rabbinic calendar).[23] Like the previous date, April 18 passed without Christ’s return. More study led the Millerites to believe that they had entered the “tarrying time”—a time of waiting after which Christ would finally return—spoken of in Matthew 25:5 and Habakkuk 3:2-3. This belief sustained the Millerites through the months of May to July, 1844. As Knight notes however, this period represented a “flatness in Millerite evangelism,” when even the Millerite preachers must have experienced diminished certainty.[24]

In August 1844 at a camp-meeting in Exeter, New Hampshire, everything changed when Samuel S. Snow presented a message of earth-shattering proportions—what became known as the “seventh-month” message or the “true midnight cry.”[25] In a complex discussion based on scriptural typology, Snow presented his conclusion (still based on the 2300 day prophecy in Daniel 8:14), that Christ would return on, “the tenth day of the seventh month of the present year, 1844.”[26] Again using the calendar of the Karaite Jews, this date was determined to be October 22, 1844. This “seventh month message” “spread with a rapidity unparalleled in the Millerite experience” amongst the general population. The situation caught many of the established leaders—including Himes and Miller himself, by surprise. Knight reports that, “There is no evidence that any of the foremost Millerite preachers accepted this grass-roots development until late September. Most did not accept it until early October.”[27]

The Great Disappointment

October 22, 1844, that day of great hope and promise, ended like any other day [28] to the disappointment of the Millerites. Both Millerite leaders and followers were left generally bewildered and disillusioned. Responses varied: some Millerites continued to look daily for Christ’s return, others predicted different dates—among them April, July, and October 1845. Some theorized that the world had entered the seventh millennium, the “Great Sabbath”, and that, therefore, the saved should not work. Others acted as children, basing their belief on Jesus’ words in Mark 10:15, “Truly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child shall not enter it.” O. J. D. Pickands used Revelation 14:14-16 to teach that Christ was now sitting on a white cloud, and must be prayed down. Probably the majority however, simply gave up their beliefs and attempted to rebuild their lives.[29] Some members rejoined their previous denominations while a substantial number became Quakers.[30]

Post 'Great Disappointment' Millerism

Main article: Adventism

In the confusion that followed the Great Disappointment it seemed that almost every Millerite had an opinion—all of them different. Miller said that in one week he received sixteen different papers advocating different views, all claiming to be Advent papers.[31] Much of the responsibility for this proliferation of viewpoints must be shouldered by Miller, whose Rules of Biblical Interpretation outlined a method of biblical study that encouraged each person to read the Bible and to “do theology” for themselves.

By mid-1845, doctrinal lines amongst the various Millerite groups began to solidify, emphasizing their differences—a process Knight terms “sect building.”[32] During this time three main Millerite groups formed, in addition to those who had simply given up their beliefs.

The first major division of the Millerite groups who had not completely given up their belief in Christ’s Second Advent were those who accepted a shut-door theology. This belief was popularized by Joseph Turner and was based on that key Millerite passage: Matthew 25:1-13—the Parable of the Ten Virgins. The shut door mentioned in verses 11-12 was interpreted as the "close of probation". As Knight explains, “After the door was shut, there would be no additional salvation. The wise virgins (true believers) would be in the kingdom, while the foolish virgins and all others would be on the outside.”[33] The belief became a major issue upon the publication in January 1845, of an article by Apollos Hale and Turner in The Advent Mirror. This article tied the shut-door concept to October 22, 1844, teaching that the work of general salvation was finished at that date—Christ came spiritually as the Bridegroom, the wise virgins had entered into the wedding feast, and the door was then shut on all others.[34] This first group is commonly known as either the “shut-door” or “spiritualizer” group.

However, the widespread acceptance of the “shut-door” belief lost ground as doubts were raised about the significance of the October 22, 1844 date—if nothing happened on that date, then there could be no shut door. The opposition to these “shut-door” beliefs was led by Joshua Vaughan Himes and make up the second post-'Great Disappointment' group. This faction soon gained the upper hand, even converting Miller to their point of view. On March 20, 1845, the Morning Watch published a call by Himes for a conference. The Albany Conference was to have three purposes:
1.“to strengthen one another in the faith of the Advent at the door,”
2.“to consult on the best mode of unitedly carrying forth our work, in comforting and preparing the Advent congregations among us for the speedy coming of the Lord,” and
3.“to unite our efforts, for the conversion and salvation of sinners.”[35]

Notably, the stated purpose of the conference was not to debate controversial doctrines. In fact the invitation was extended only to those Adventists who “still adhere to the original faith.” The Shut-door Adventists and others who had developed new doctrines were therefore explicitly excluded. The biggest draw card was to be the presence of Miller. In fact Himes wrote to Miller on March 27, 1845, saying, “all depends upon your being there.”[36]

The Albany Conference began on April 29, 1845 and was to be, “one of the most significant Adventist meetings in the history of post-October 1844 Adventism.” The delegates to the Albany Conference– including prominent Millerite leaders such as Miller, Himes. Elon Galusha, Josiah Litch, and Sylvester Bliss; accomplished three main tasks:
1.The production of a ten-point statement of belief.
2.The development of a plan for evangelism that involved further organization, including the establishment of Sunday Schools and Bible classes; and the ordination of selected believers as ministers.
3.The passing of a series of resolutions that rejected a number of beliefs and practices seen as extreme; including mixed foot-washing, compulsory salutation kissing, shaving one’s head, and acting childlike.

The Albany Conference group of Millerites formed the Evangelical Adventists out of which rose the Advent Christian Church. The Albany Conference Statement with its narrowing of beliefs was unacceptable to many. Millerism had been founded on Miller’s open, non-restrictive approach to Bible study--“It was the freedom to discover new truths that had drawn so many Christians and Freewill Baptists to the movement. The new restrictive definitions charted a course that was unacceptable to many who had joined the movement.”[37]

The third major post-disappointment Millerite group also claimed—like the Hale and Turner led group—that the October 22 date was correct. Rather than Christ returning invisibly however, they came to view the event that took place on October 22, 1844 as having been quite different. The theology of this third group appears to have had its beginnings as early as October 23, 1844—the day after the Great Disappointment. On that day, during a prayer session with a group of Advent believers, Hiram Edson became convicted that “light would be given” and their “disappointment explained.” Some years later, Edson reported on his experiences following that meeting: "While passing through a large field I was stopped about midway of the field. Heaven seemed open to my view, and I saw distinctly and clearly that instead of our High Priest coming out of the Most Holy of the heavenly sanctuary to come to this earth on the tenth day of the seventh month, at the end of the 2300 days, that He for the first time entered on that day the second apartment of that sanctuary; and that He had a work to perform in the Most Holy before coming to this earth in His Second Coming. That he came to the marriage at that time; in other words, to the Ancient of days to receive a kingdom, dominion, and glory; and we must wait for his return from the wedding."[38]

Edson’s experience led him into an extended study on the topic with O. R. L. Crosier and F. B. Hahn. They came to the conclusion that “the sanctuary to be cleansed in Daniel 8:14 was not the earth or the church, but the sanctuary in heaven.”[39] Therefore, the October 22 date marked not the Second Coming of Christ, but rather a heavenly event. This is the basis for the later Seventh-day Adventist doctrine of the Investigative Judgement. An article written by O. R. L. Crosier titled "To All Who Are waiting for Redemption, the Following is Addressed" summarising their insights, was published in the March 1845 edition of the Day-Dawn.[40] A more comprehensive article - also by O. R. L. Crosier and titled "The Law of Moses" was published in the Day-Star of February 7, 1846.[41] It is out of this third Millerite group that the Seventh-day Adventist Church arose.

Millerite Doctrine

The Millerites originally had adherents across denominational lines, especially from Baptist, Presbyterian, Methodist and Campbellite churches, forming distinct denominations only after the Great Disappointment. They were united by a belief in the imminent return of Jesus Christ—the Second Advent. After the Great Disappointment of October 22, 1844, discussion of beliefs began to fragment the once united Millerites. Dunton points out that there were four main divisive doctrines being discussed by Millerites around the time of the Albany Conference:
1.Biblical prophecies relating to the Jews. The majority of Millerites believed that these prophecies would find a spiritual rather than a literal fulfilment; however the Age to Come Adventists led by Joseph Marsh believed in a literal, physical Jewish return to Palestine prior to the Christ’s return.
2.Conditional immortality was not discussed at the Albany Conference, but was a source of controversy soon after.
3.The doctrine of the Sabbath was one of the schismatic issues debated at the Albany Conferences. The seventh-day Sabbath was rejected by delegates at the Albany Conference, who passed a resolution to have "no fellowship with Jewish fables and commandments of man, that turn from the truth."[42] Sabbatarianism remained a minority position among the Millerites, but the doctrine received a significant boost when Thomas Preble published a tract on the topic. The tract, titled, A Tract, Showing that the Seventh Day Should Be Observed as the Sabbath, Instead of the First Day; "According to the Commandment", was widely read by Miller’s followers.
4.Following the disappointment of October 22, there was considerable discussion regarding the continuing possibility of the conversion of sinners. The doctrine that excluded this possibility became known as the shut-door. Miller himself believed this for a short time, though he later changed and repudiated it.[43]

Bible Student movement (Jehovah's Witnesses since 1931) had connections at the very beginning (in the early 2nd half of 19th century) with the Millerite movement. Russell later stated that he thanks to Adventists, and other religious groups, for some of their views. As of this, Bible Student Movement was influencd by Adventists roots, but not emerged from Millerism movement.[44]

Bahá'ís also credit Miller's analysis of the time of Christ's return.[45] See also Day-year principle for a more complete review of how William Miller's analysis of the 2300 day prophecy of Daniel 8 matches the Baha'i understanding. Baha'is believe that, although William Miller's understanding of the location and method of Christ's return was not accurate, his calculation of the timing was entirely correct.

See also
Great Disappointment
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Second Coming
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List of religions and religious denominations#Adventist and related churches
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Notes

1.^ a b Bliss 1853, p. 79
2.^ Miller 1845, p. 15
3.^ Miller 1845, p. 18
4.^ Miller 1845, p. 17
5.^ Miller 1845, p. 19
6.^ Richard L. Rogers, "Millennialism and American Culture: The Adventist Movement," Comparative Social Research 13, 1991: 110.
7.^ LeRoy Edwin Froom, The Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers Volume IV, Washington, DC: Review and Herald Publishing Association, 1954, 621.
8.^ Louis Billington, "The Millerite Adventists in Great Britain, 1840-1850," Journal of American Studies 1:2 1967, 193.
9.^ Sylvester Bliss, Memoirs of William Miller, Boston: Joshua V. Himes, 1853, 141-144.
10.^ Everett N. Dick, William Miller and the Advent Crisis Berrien Springs: Andrews University Press, 1994, 76.
11.^ Everett N. Dick, William Miller and the Advent Crisis, Berrien Springs: Andrews University Press, 1994, 76.
12.^ Ruth Alden Doan, The Miller Heresy, Millennialism, and American Culture, Philadelphia, PA: Temple University Press, 1987.
13.^ Le Roy Edwin Froom, The Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers Volume IV, Washington, DC: Review and Herald, 1954, 624-625, 628.
14.^ Louis Billington, "The Millerite Adventists in Great Britain, 1840-1850," Journal of American Studies 1:2 1967, 195.
15.^ Le Roy Edwin Froom, The Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers Volume IV, Washington, DC: Review and Herald, 1954, 623.
16.^ Le Roy Edwin Froom, The Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers Volume IV, Washington, DC: Review and Herald, 1954, 712.
17.^ Hugh Dunton, “The Millerite Adventists and Other Millenarian Groups in Great Britain, 1830-1860”, PhD, University of London, 1984, 114.
18.^ Josiah Litch, "The Midnight Cry at the Sandwich Islands," Signs of the Times, October 4, 1843, 109.
19.^ Quoted in Everett N. Dick, William Miller and the Advent Crisis Berrien Springs: [Andrews University] Press, 1994, 96-97.
20.^ William Miller, "Letter From Mr Miller--His Position," The Advent Herald and Signs of the Times Reporter, April 10, 1844, 77.
21.^ George R. Knight, Millennial Fever and the End of the World, Boise, ID: Pacific Press, 1993, 162.
22.^ William Miller, "Mr Miller at Washington," Advent Herald, March 6, 1844, 39.
23.^ This was not a new thought, and had been discussed by Millerite writers as early as June 21, 1843. "Chronology," Signs of the Times, June 21, 1843, 123.
24.^ George R. Knight, Millennial Fever and the End of the World, Boise, ID: Pacific Press, 1993, 168.
25.^ Snow had previously presented this idea, it was published on February 22, 1844 in the Midnight Cry, and republished in the Advent Herald on April 3, 1844. Both times however, a cautionary note was appended by the magazines’ editors, indicating that they disagreed with Snow’s conclusions. Samuel S. Snow, The Midnight Cry, February 22, 1844., Samuel S. Snow, "Prophetic Time," The Advent Herald and Signs of the Times Reporter, April 3, 1844.
26.^ Samuel S. Snow, The Advent Herald, August 21, 1844, 20. See also Samuel S. Snow, True Midnight Cry, August 22, 1844, 4.
27.^ George R. Knight, Millennial Fever and the End of the World, Boise, ID: Pacific Press, 1993, 191, 199.
28.^ [1], Front page of the Milwaukie Commercial Herald, Oct. 23, 1844
29.^ George R. Knight, A Brief History of Seventh-day Adventists, Hagerstown: Review and Herald, 1999, 26.
30.^ Whitney R. Cross, The Burned-over District: A Social and Intellectual History of Enthusiastic Religion in Western New York (Ithaca, NY: Cornell University Press, 1950) 310.
31.^ Sylvester Bliss, Memoirs of William Miller, Boston: Joshua V. Himes, 1853, 299-300.
32.^ George R. Knight, Millennial Fever and the End of the World, Boise, ID: Pacific Press, 1993, 232.
33.^ George R. Knight, Millennial Fever and the End of the World, Boise, ID: Pacific Press, 1993, 236-237.
34.^ Apollos Hale and Joseph Turner, "Has Not the Saviour Come as the Bridegroom," The Advent Mirror, January 1845, 1-4.
35.^ Joshua V. Himes, Morning Watch, March 20, 1845, 96.
36.^ Quoted in George R. Knight, Millennial Fever and the End of the World, Boise, ID: Pacific Press, 1993, 268.
37.^ Merlin D. Burt, “The Historical Background, Interconnected Development, and Integration of the Doctrines of the Heavenly Sanctuary, the Sabbath, and Ellen G. White's Role in Sabbatarian Adventism from 1844-1849”, PhD, Andrews University, 2002, 165.
38.^ Hiram Edson, "Experience in the Advent Movement (Incomplete), p. 9. This undated document was apparently not written until many years after this event and was probably influenced by the ideas of later authors. See Fernand Fisel, "Edson's Cornfield 'Vision:' Frisson or Figment?," Adventist Currents, July 1983, 3; for a detailed discussion of the issues. See also Ross E. Winkle, "Disappearing Act: Hiram Edson’s Cornfield Experience," Spectrum 33, no. 1 (2005):46-51 for a more recent perspective.
39.^ George R. Knight, Millennial Fever and the End of the World, Boise, ID: Pacific Press, 1993, 305-306.
40.^ A copy of this lost publication was discovered by Merlin D. Burt in 1995 and republished in 2006: Merlin D. Burt, "The Day-Dawn of Canandaigua, New York: Reprint of a Significant Millerite Adventist Journal"PDF . Andrews University Seminary Studies 44, no. 2 (2006): 317–330
41.^ O. R. L. Crosier, "The Law of Moses" Day-Star (February 7, 1846): 1-8
42.^ "Proceedings of the Mutual Conference of Adventists," (Albany: Joshua Himes, 1845.
43.^ Hugh Dunton, “The Millerite Adventists and Other Millenarian Groups in Great Britain, 1830-1860”, PhD, University of London, 1984, 97-98.
44.^ Zion's Watch Tower, June 1, 1916 p. 170
45.^ Sears (1961). Thief in the Night. — anonymous critical review of same book at bahai-library.com

Books
Bliss, Sylvester (1853). Memoirs of William Miller. Boston: Joshua V. Himes.
Miller, William (1845). Wm. Miller's Apology and Defence. Boston: Joshua V. Himes.

I have tried to be both friend and foe of several points of view -- and I have engaged in massive amounts of speculation and fantasy -- as you well know -- but I don't represent any of it as being 'The Truth'. I am very interested in 'The Church' and 'The Truth' -- yet I no longer attend church -- and I am often quite critical of 'The Truth' and 'The Church'. I am just the opposite of a highly-polished super-salesman for Jesus. I think we need to keep considering everything, from all angles, all the time -- and not be afraid to step on toes -- even our own. Consider this lecture -- one more time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LM9yezr4rBM&feature=player_embedded What do you think?? Could it be true?? Could the basic message of the 1928 'Book of Common Prayer' be true -- regardless of the source -- and regardless of the historicity of the major players???


The Gospel. S t. John i. 19.
THIS is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests
and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou?
And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not
the Christ. And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias?
And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he
answered, No. Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that
we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest
thou of thyself? He said, I am the voice of one crying in
the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said
the prophet Esaias. And they which were sent were of the
Pharisees. And they asked him, and said unto him, Why
baptizest thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias,
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neither that prophet? John answered them, saying, I baptize
with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye
know not; he it is, who coming after me is preferred before
me, whose shoe’s latchet I am not worthy to unloose.
These things were done in Bethabara beyond Jordan, where
John was baptizing.
CHRISTMASTIDE.
The Nativity of our Lord, or the Birthday of Christ,
commonly called Christmas Day.
[Decem ber 25.]
The Collect.
ALMIGHTY God, who hast given us thy only-begotten
Son to take our nature upon him, and as at this time
to be born of a pure virgin; Grant that we being regenerate,
and made thy children by adoption and grace, may daily
be renewed by thy Holy Spirit; through the same our Lord
Jesus Christ, who liveth and reigneth with thee and the
same Spirit ever, one God, world without end. Amen.
¶ This Collect is to be said daily throughout the Octave.
The Epistle. H ebrews i. 1.
GOD, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake
in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, hath in
these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath
appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the
worlds; who being the brightness of his glory, and the express
image of his person, and upholding all things by the
word of his power, when he had by himself purged our
sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by
inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. For
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unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my
Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be
to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? And again,
when he bringeth in the first-begotten into the world, he
saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. And of
the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his
ministers a flame of fire. But unto the Son he saith, Thy
throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness
is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved
right-eousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy
God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy
fellows. And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the
foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of
thine hands: they shall perish; but thou remainest; and
they all shall wax old as doth a garment; and as a vesture
shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but
thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
The Gospel. S t. John i. 1.
IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with
God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning
with God. All things were made by him; and without
him was not any thing made that was made. In him
was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light
shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light,
that all men through him might believe. He was not that
Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. That was
the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into
the world. He was in the world, and the world was made
by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his
own, and his own received him not. But as many as received
him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God,
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even to them that believe on his name: which were born,
not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of
man, but of God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt
among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only
begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
& If in any Church the Holy Communion be twice celebrated on Christmas
Day, the following Collect, Epistle, and Gospel may be used at
the first Communion.
The Collect.
O GOD, who makest us glad with the yearly remembrance
of the birth of thine only Son Jesus Christ;
Grant that as we joyfully receive him for our Redeemer,
so we may with sure confidence behold him when he shall
come to be our Judge, who liveth and reigneth with thee
and the Holy Ghost, one God, world without end. Amen.
The Epistle. Titus ii. 11.
THE grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared
to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and
worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly,
in this present world; looking for that blessed hope, and the
glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus
Christ; who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us
from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people,
zealous of good works. These things speak, and exhort, and
rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.
The Gospel. S t. Luke ii. 1.
AND it came to pass in those days, that there went out
a decree from Cæsar Augustus, that all the world
should be taxed. (And this taxing was first made when
Cyrenius was governor of Syria.) And all went to be taxed,
every one into his own city. And Joseph also went up from
Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judæa, unto the
city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was
of the house and lineage of David:) to be taxed with Mary
his espoused wife, being great with child. And so it was,
that, while they were there, the days were accomplished
that she should be delivered. And she brought forth her
firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and
laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them
in the inn. And there were in the same country shepherds
abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night.
And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the
glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were
sore afraid. And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold,
I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be
to all people. For unto you is born this day in the city of
David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. And this shall be
a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling
clothes, lying in a manger. And suddenly there was with the
angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and
saying, Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace,
good will toward men.
Saint Stephen, Deacon and Martyr.
[December 26.]
The C ollect.
GRANT, O Lord, that, in all our sufferings here upon
earth for the testimony of thy truth, we may stedfastly
look up to heaven, and by faith behold the glory that
shall be revealed; and, being filled with the Holy Ghost,
may learn to love and bless our persecutors by the example
of thy first Martyr Saint Stephen, who prayed for his murderers
to thee, O blessed Jesus, who standest at the right
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hand of God to succour all those who suffer for thee. our
only Mediator and Advocate. Amen.
For the Epistle. Acts vii. 55.
STEPHEN, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly
into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus
standing on the right hand of God, and said, Behold, I see the
heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right
hand of God. Then they cried out with a loud voice, and
stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord, and
cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses
laid down their clothes at a young man’s feet, whose name
was Saul. And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and
saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. And he kneeled down,
and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their
charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.
The Gospel. St. Matthew xxiii. 34.
BEHOLD, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and
scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and
some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute
them from city to city: that upon you may come all
the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood
of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias,
whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon
this generation. O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest
the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee,
how often would I have gathered thy children together,
even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and
ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye
shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the
Lord.
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Saint John, Apostle and Evangelist.
[December 27.]
The Collect.
MERCIFUL Lord, we beseech thee to cast thy bright
beams of light upon thy Church, that it, being illumined
by the doctrine of thy blessed Apostle and Evangelist
Saint John, may so walk in the light of thy truth, that
it may at length attain to life everlasting; through Jesus
Christ our Lord. Amen.
The Epistle. 1 St. John i. 1.
THAT which was from the beginning, which we have
heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we
have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word
of life; (for the life was manifested, and we have seen it,
and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which
was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;) that
which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that
ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship
is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be
full. This then is the message which we have heard of him,
and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no
dark-ness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with him,
and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: but if
we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship
one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his
Son cleanseth us from all sin. If we say that we have no
sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we
confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our
sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say
that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word
is not in us.
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The Gospel. St. John xxi. 19.
JESUS saith unto Peter, Follow me. Then Peter, turning
about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following;
which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord,
which is he that betrayeth thee? Peter seeing him saith to
Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do? Jesus saith unto
him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?
Follow thou me. Then went this saying abroad among the
brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not
unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I
come, what is that to thee? This is the disciple which testifieth
of these things, and wrote these things: and we know
that his testimony is true. And there are also many other
things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written
every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not
contain the books that should be written.
The Holy Innocents.
[December 28.]
The Collect.
O ALMIGHTY God, who out of the mouths of babes
and sucklings hast ordained strength, and madest infants
to glorify thee by their deaths; Mortify and kill all
vices in us, and so strengthen us by thy grace, that by the
innocency of our lives, and constancy of our faith even
unto death, we may glorify thy holy Name; through Jesus
Christ our Lord. Amen.
For the Epistle. Revelation xiv. 1.
I LOOKED, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and
with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having
his Father’s name written in their foreheads. And I heard a
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voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the
voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers
harping with their harps: and they sung as it were a new
song before the throne, and before the four living creatures,
and the elders: and no man could learn that song but
the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed
from the earth. These are they which were not
defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they
which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These
were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto
God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no
guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.
The Gospel. St. Matthew ii. 13.
THE angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream,
saying, Arise, and take the young child and his
mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring
thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy
him. When he arose, he took the young child and his
mother by night, and departed into Egypt: and was there
until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which
was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of
Egypt have I called my son. Then Herod, when he saw
that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth,
and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in
Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old
and under, according to the time which he had diligently
enquired of the wise men. Then was fulfilled that which
was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, In Rama was
there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great
mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not
be comfor-ted, because they are not.

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It will be shown by degrees what the nature of these rudimentary creatures was, and what is their relation
to the human race and to Totemism. The same primeval tradition is to be found in the Mangaian myths of
creation. In this the beings born of Vari-ma-te-takere, the originator of all things, the very-beginning, dwelt

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in the Mute-land at the bottom of Avaiki. There was no verbal language in this land of the Great Mother.
You could not provoke an angry answer there. The only language known in the Mute-land is said to be
that of signs - "such as nods, elevated eyebrows, grimaces, and smiles". (Gill, page 6.)
“Avaiki is a land of strange utterance,
Like the sighs of a passing breeze;
Where the dance is performed in silence,
And the gift of speech is unknown". (Native song).

The Mother and Daughter of the Mangaian version take the place of the two female ancestresses in the
Arunta legend. Also, one name of the daughter in another of the islands was Papa or Foundation. In this
also the six Totems are equated by six parts of Avaiki, the body of the Great Mother (Mother-earth), who
is said to pluck off six portions of her flesh, from the right and left sides of her body, with which to form
her children. The tradition is one and universal with many variants. It is fundamentally the same in the
mythology of the Californian Indians, who tell us that at first their ancestors walked on all fours. Then they
began to put forth some members of the human body, such as a finger or a toe, until they were perfected
[Page 68] like the Inapertwa when these were made into men and women. They missed their tails, which
they lost as the result of having to sit up. It was a result of this derivation of the children from the mothers
illustrated by means of Totemic zootypes that the aborigines in various Asiatic and European countries
were despised and derided by later races as “The Men with Tails". When the Burmese call the Karens
“Dog-men", and the Airyas of India call the aborigines “Monkey-men" they are naming them derisively in
accordance with the primitive Totemic status. Nothing is more common than for the later lighter races to
accredit the old dark races with the possession of tails, as a continuation of the Totemic likeness. They
were the beast men, or their descendants from the earlier Totemic times and status. The Kickapoos tell a
humorous story of their ancestors who once were in possession of tails which they afterwards lost. Then
the impudent frog would send every morning and ask them how they felt without their tails, much to the
amusement of the bear, who used to listen and shake her fat sides with laughter at the joke. As the frog
had likewise lost its tail in the process of becoming a frog from a tad-pole we may see in this the
particular Totemic type of the Kickapoos that lost their tails. The tail or hinder part is naturally a Mother-
Totem. The tail of the lioness carried on his head is the Mother-Totem of .Shu. The Egyptian kings were
men with tails. They wore the tails of the lioness and the cow, which were two forms or zootypes of the
mythical mother, Neith the Milch-Cow (earlier, Apt, the Water Cow) and Tefnut, the Lioness. Here the tails
of the lioness and cow were worn by the human lion or bull who at one time sported his Mother- Totem in
the shape of the typical animal's tail. Various tribes on the Upper Nile are the wearers of artificial tails
made of hair , straw, or fibre of hemp, in place of the earlier skin. On grand occasions the Egyptian
judges and other dignitaries wore the tails of jackals made of horsehair. In Egyptian symbolism the jackal
represents the judge; and the tail of horsehair still survives with us as the queue of the judge's wig. The
fox in Europe took the place of the jackal as the zootype of the lawyer, and this preserves the character
of Anup, the jackal, as the sign of council and of cunning or wiseness on the part of those who “wear fur",
or the later silk.

One supreme and primary object of Totemism was the preservation of the Mother-blood in aboriginal
purity. This gave priority and un-paralleled importance to maternal Totems like those of the Serpent and
Vulture of the Mother which were symbols of royal and divine maternity in Egypt. The most profoundly
primitive of all the ancient mysteries was that of the Mother-blood. At the same time it was the most
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motherhood, of childhood, and in short, of human existence. Hence the preciousness of the Motherblood.
Hence the customs instituted for its preservation and the purity of racial descent. Only the mother
could originate and preserve the nobility of lineage or royalty of race. And the old dark race in general
has not yet outlived the sanctity of the Mother-blood which was primordial, or the tabu-Iaws which were
first made statutable by means of the Mother's Totem.

In the Egyptian system of representation there are Seven Souls [Page 69] or life-forces recognized in
nature. Six of these were pre-human, elemental powers, born of the primary Great Mother when there
was as yet no human soul distinguished from the six that were the souls, such as light, or air, earth, or
water, and animal or vegetable life. The seventh soul alone was human. This was the soul of blood
brought forth by a Goddess in the human likeness. The earliest soul considered to be human, the soul
that was made flesh in the Child- Horus, was born of the Mother-blood, the blood of Isis, and, as such,
was distinguished from the earlier elemental powers, otherwise the six Totemic and pre-human souls.
The Blood-Mother was imaged as the Virgin Neith who was represented in one phase by the vulture that
was fabled, like the pelican, to pierce its thigh and give its off-spring her own blood for nourishment. (Hor-
Apollo, B. I. I I.) This was as the conceiver of a soul that was incarnated by the Blood-Mother. The blood
that was considered to be the soul of life, in a series of seven souls, is the blood of the female - not the
typical blood of the male; the blood of Isis, not the blood of Adam, Atum, or Belus; and it can be shown
that the human race, distinguished from the preliminary people, originated in the Mother-blood. This was
a demonstration made by nature herself on grounds as permanent as they were primitive. The
reproduction of human life and the means of descent were dependent on the Mother-blood. By this same
means the Mother also attained her supremacy, the Matriarchate being based upon the Mother-blood
that was to be so preciously preserved and memorized. According to the Egyptian wisdom, the salvation
of the human race was effected by the blood of Isis. Salvation was perpetuation. Isis was the Virgin-
Mother, and hers also was the Mother-blood. The blood of the Mother, who was primarily the Virgin,
being the earliest recognized source of human life, thence came the doctrine of a Virgin-Mother and the
saving blood in the Eschatology. This Mother-blood originated with the Virgin at the time of puberty. It
passed into the racial Mother-blood in the phase of fulfilment with marriage. The Virgin, represented in
the Egyptian Mystery, was the maiden who conceived; in her second character she was the bringer-forth.
These Two Mothers were imaged by the double Uraeus-crown of Maternity. The mythical Virgin-Mother
had a very natural origin. She represents the pubescent female who was the fount and source in nature
for the one original blood.The blood of Isis was the Virgin-blood. She was the Mother of Life in the
mythical representation, and in the first of two characters she is the Virgin-Mother, when her sister
Nepthys is the Bringer-forth or Nurse of the child. The sacredness of the Virgin-blood, the earliest
Mother-blood, will help to account for the sanctity of the pre-pubescent virgins who were so carefully
secluded from the outer world at the time of its primary manifestation. Among the Ot-Danons of Borneo
the pre-pubescent girl is sometimes shut up during seven years awaiting her sign of the Virgin-
Motherhood. This is born in blood, and she is consequently looked upon as one newly born into life. She
is led forth to breathe the air, and is shown the sun, the water, and the trees. Then the event is celebrated
by the sacrifice of a slave, and her body is painted with his blood. This was the Blood-Mother as a Virgin,
in the first of the two characters assigned [Page 70] to the female. Thus, the Two Women in Totemic
Sociology were the Virgin and the Mother. It is the same in the Mythology, and lastly in the Eschatology.
The first of the Two was the pubescent Virgin who conceives: the second is she who brings forth. Hence
the doctrine of a Double Motherhood. Ra is said to be united to his "Double Mother". One of the
Ptolemies claims to be the Beloved of the "Double Divine Mother". The Double Mother was also the
Double Sister in another relationship with Horus. "I am thy Double Sister", says Isis to Osiris. (P. Pierret
Pantheon Eg. 28. ) In this duality Isis is the Blood-Mother and Nephthys the Milch-Mother; hence she is
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place in the Mythos because the Virgin preceded the bringer forth of the child as source itself. This
double Motherhood is also assigned to Jesus in the ", Gospels with the Two Mothers as two sisters: the
first being the Virgin - Mary, the second, Mary the wife of Cleopas.

In modern times the blood in certain families is considered to be royal, and royal blood is the blood to be
sacredly or very carefully preserved from any base admixture, although the origin of royal blood is
hitherto unknown. Under the Matriarchate there could be no blood-royal by derivation from the Male.
There was but one blood, that of the Mother. It was impossible at first for the males to transmit. There
was but one means of descent for the race. This was the Mother-blood. Hence the primitive customs for
preserving it in purity and sanctity. The Mother-blood was not only known as the "one blood" of the race,
it also denoted the "one flesh" or one stock. Descent from the Mother connoted the one blood or one
flesh. It would be a way of preserving the Mother-blood in Totemism for the brother and sister of the
same Totem to intermarry; the same Totem being a determinative of the Motherhood, as the means of
identifying the original Mother-blood. Messrs. Spencer and Gillen tell us that the Arunta traditions point to
a time "in the Alcheringa" when it was the normal condition for the male to cohabit with a woman of the
same Totem as his own. The evidence points back to a time when the brother and sister of the same
Totem always married each other. It was long sought to keep the Mother-blood intact by the intermarriage
of the uterine brothers and sisters."These used to cohabit, and such intercourse was at one time
considered to be not only natural and proper, but was esteemed as preferable. The Kalangs of Java are
what is now termed Endogamous, and when a girl is asked in marriage the man "must prove his descent
from their peculiar stock". That is originally the one stock of the Mother-blood. People of this stock were
known both in Africa and Australia as the one-legged people, those who were the undivided primitive
Endogamists. Prolonged efforts were made by the “Endogamists" to preserve the Mother-blood or the
"one flesh", as it was called by the aborigines of Victoria, who say of a man that takes a woman of his
own group to wife, he has "fallen into the same flesh". (Dawson, Australian Aborigines, page 28.) It was a
custom long continued by the Egyptians to preserve the Mother-blood by the marriage of the brother and
sister, a custom that was sacred to the Royal family, thus showing that the [Page 71] Mother- blood
transmitted by the elder sister was the Royal blood. The Goajiros of Colombia in South America have
divided and subdivided into a score of Totemic groups, but they all preserve the descent in the female
line, and therefore from the Mother-blood. For, if a member wounds himself with his own knife he is not
allowed to spill any of his own blood without paying for it. His family on the Mother's side demand bloodmoney
in compensation for their loss. There was no individual property in the Mother-blood. This
belonged to the family or tribe. It happens with the Gonds of Central India that they have lost much of
their pure blood by intermixture with the Hindu race. Hence, at the installation of a rajah his forehead
must be touched with a drop of blood drawn from the body of a pure aborigine of the tribe to which the
rajah belongs. (Forsyth, J ., Highlands of Central India, page 137.) Intermarriage has now come to be
called Endogamy in opposition to Exogamy, or marriage outside the group. But the family traced from the
Mother-blood was earlier than the Totemic tribe. When the children of one and the same mother
intermarried, a kind of Endogamy, however limited, would be founded. And when the children of one
mother were compelled to marry the children of another mother a sort of Exogamy was established.
The Mother was the foundress of the family, consisting of herself and children. The foundation of the
human structure was in blood, the blood of the Mother. The fact was commemorated in blood-sacrifice
when the victim was immured, or the blood was poured out at the base of the building; the custom, like
others, is a mode of memorial that was continued in Sign-language when the origin and meaning of the
act were inexplicable. The Mother-blood, we repeat, was primary, and various customs, rites, or
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Each family would be proud of and prefer their own fount of source, and endeavour to keep it pure.
Hence the marriage of the uterine brother and sister was a mode of preserving the Mother-blood. Hence
also the eating of the Mother living was a way of preserving her blood to the consanguineous group. The
Mother eaten sacramentally was the earliest victim of blood-sacrifice. In this great cruel rite the body was
eaten living to preserve the Mother-blood. Eating the Mother was the primitive Eucharist in which the
Mother was the Host whose flesh was torn in pieces like the later bread, and whose blood was drunk
religiously as is the later wine. Blood was the life, and this was given by the Mother in her life and death.
The human Mother was then in the position of the Totemic zoo type that was substituted for the parent
and eaten by the brothers in a later sacrificial rite. It is not uncommon for the communicants who partake
of the Sacrament to hold that they have eaten the body and drunk the blood of God himself, and this
belief survives in Christianity, as witnessed by the hymn which is sung after taking the Sacrament,
beginning with-
“Jesus, Mighty Saviour,
Thou art in us now".

To emphasize the fact still more, it is sometimes requested that those [Page 72] who have not eaten the
God should sing the word "with" instead of “in". (Instance quoted in British Weekly, Sept. 1895.) The
eucharistic rite of the Mexicans was called Teoqualo, or “God is eaten"; and to eat the God as
represented was to share the nature of the divinity. In like manner the Namaquas eat the flesh and drink
the blood of the lion and tiger to partake of their superhuman strength. The Tierra del Fuegians explained
that they ate the white man on purpose to share in his superior power. The Kamilaroi will eat the heart
and liver of a brave man in order that they may partake of his spirit. The Mother was eaten on the same
principle, but, as the Mother, she was eaten sacramentally in the primitive family meal. The custom of
"killing the God", the priest, the royal personage, the virgin or divine animal, and eating the victim at a
sacrificial meal was rooted in this very primitive practice of the children eating the body of the Mother and
drinking her blood in what may be termed the primordial Eucharist. The Mother was the earliest of the
sacrificial victims that for special reasons were only allowed to live a certain number of years, at the end
of which time the giver of life was eaten in honour by her children as the most primitive sacramental food.
The Mother was eaten at the family sacrament because, in the first place, she was the Mother. But there
were other motives at work. She was sacrificed comparatively young to preserve her from the effects of
age, from grey hairs and wrinkles, from disease, decrepitude, and bodily decay. The children were
preserving her from the worms of earth and from the prowling beasts of prey, and probably from the
change of life at the departure of the lizard. In eating the body of her who had been the food-giver, they
were returning her as food to the family, and in partaking of her blood, the precious Mother-blood, they
were giving back the soul (of blood) to the life of the family or brotherhood. Some races, like the Indian,
will not eat the blood of an animal, for fear the soul of the animal should enter the human body. But this
was a reason, in religious cannibalism, for the eating of the Mother-blood in order that her soul of life
which was her blood might re-enter the family or brotherhood, or be “contained" by them. The Mother
was not turned into a sacrifice, or the blood preserved on her own personal account, so much as on
account of the family or tribe to which the blood belonged. Dawson tells us that only those who had died
a violent death were eaten by the aborigines of the Port Fairy District, Western Australia. And then they
were eaten "as a mark of affectionate respect, in a solemn service of mourning for the dead". (James
Dawson, Australian Aborigines.) The dead were eaten as a sign and token of mourning for those who
were taken away before their time; and thus religious cannibalism is resolved into a solemn mourning for
the dead; and the significance would be the same when the funeral feast was furnished by the body and
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attained old age. There is an account in Wilkes's exploring expedition of the putting to death of a mother
(page 211, abbreviated). She was walking about as gay and lively as anyone, when one of her boys
invited Mr. Hunt to the funeral. Her two sons considered she had lived long enough. They [Page 73] had
prepared her funeral feast, and were now going to kill and bury her. They were doing this from love of
their mother, and said that none but themselves, her own sons, could perform so sacred an office.
Among the wandering Birhors of India, who are cannibals, the parents in articulo mortis will beg their
children to kill and eat them; and this is done as an act of filial piety. (Réclus, Primitive Folk, - English.
Translation, page 249.) At the British Association meeting for 1895 it was testified by Capt. Hynde that
one of the finest races of the Congo negroes are still in the habit of eating the old and decrepit members
of their families. Now, as the Mother was the earliest parent known and honoured, it was she who would
be eaten by the children in the earliest form of a funeral meal. According to Herodotus (4,26), it was a
custom observed by the Issedones to eat the dead bodies of their parents. But, we repeat, the Mother
was the only parent known at first, therefore the only one that could be knowingly eaten as the parent.
The Mongols and other races considered it impious for any part of the sacrifice to remain uneaten or
unconsumed. Terrible penalties were inflicted for such sacrilege. Now, there is I nothing like the eating of
the Mother with honour that can so plausibly explain the origin of such a custom. The Mother as sacrifice
would be "very sacred indeed", and to eat the body wholly and entirely, including the bones and viscera,
would be giving the proof of the highest honour and the profoundest affection which at the time was
humanly possible. Nothing was considered unclean, because it was the Mother. At first the body of the
human Mother was religiously eaten as the most primitive Eucharistic Meal. Her flesh thus eaten was the
sacred food, and her blood was the drink when these were devoured warm with life. Her representative,
the Totemic zootype, was adopted later, and torn piecemeal, to be eaten in a similar manner. This tearing
of the "host" in pieces tooth and nail was continued in the Egyptian, Greek, and other mysteries; and so it
comes about that the body of Osiris or the Christ was torn in pieces as flesh in the form of bread, and
everyone of the communicants must drink of the wine as blood. Hence the commandment: "Drink ye all
of it". And here it may be remarked that the sacrificial victim in the Gospel is eaten alive, or, at least, the
Last Supper is solemnized before the victim was crucified. We next see the group of communicants
extending beyond the inner circle when, as related by Angas, the different part of the body were
apportioned according to the human relationship, the choicest portions being given to those who had
been nearest and dearest to the departed in this life. It was from affection the children ate their parent,
but the ceremony of devouring her alive was awesome and cruel. It had to be performed, from motives
that sufficed to establish the custom, but she was not eaten because the act was cruel. Still, the cruel
ending of her life made her become a sacrificial victim, and as she was eaten piously, the meal was
sacramental and the prototype of all the sacraments in which the Totemic zootypes or the Divine Son
succeeded as the victim sacrificed at the Eucharistic Meal. The Mother gave her life back to the family or
tribe whilst living. She was literally eaten alive. In accordance with the laws of Tabu, it was the custom for
everyone to share and share alike all round in killing and eating the sacrifice. [Page 74] This was so when
the victim was a fawn or a kid. But no victim was so naturally calculated to raise the initial difficulty of
striking the first blow in a form so acutely cruel as the Mother. This must have verily necessitated the
practice of all the participants falling on the victim together to avoid the sense of individual bloodguiltiness.
Everyone must partake of the body, everyone must tear the flesh and lap the blood; everyone
must share the responsibility of the awful act. The Mother was not only eaten physically. There was a
primitive kind of spiritual communion celebrated in the rite which I raised it to a religious status. The body
and blood were supposed to be converted into spirit. The theory is explicitly expressed in the Greek
statement that "the dead was raised again in the same sacrifice". "All tasted the sacrificial flesh, so that
the life of the victim was renewed in the lives of those who ate it". (Theophrastus in Porph., De Abst., 2,
29. Cited in Encyclopedia Brit., volume xxi, page 137 , Ninth Edition) And this, of course, applied to the
Mother as well as to any other victim whose flesh was eaten as a sacrifice. In eating the flesh and blood
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idea survives in the Alcestis. As pointed out by Percy Gardner (Sepulchral Relief from Tarentum, page
21), the heroine of the drama "is scarcely dead before she is invoked by the chorus as a superhuman
Power able to give and to withhold favours, now that she has been transubstantiated".
Eating the human Mother as the Eucharist at the family meal led naturally to eating the Mother of Life
who gave herself in food that men might live; the Mother who was represented by the Ainu She-Bear, the
Acagchemen Panes-Bird, the crucified Great Mother of the Cypriotes, or by the blood of Isis in Egypt,
and who, under various mythical or Totemic types, was the renewer of life by offering up her own; the
earliest type of voluntary sacrifice which preceded that of Horus the Saviour-Son or of Osiris in a later
Eucharist. The human Mother was eaten actually, not as a Totemic type. The "Great Mother" was eaten
by proxy as Totemic: Rerit or Shaat was annually eaten as the Sow; Hathor was eaten as the Heifer; the
female being the Totem of the Mother, whether human or divine. The Goddess Tari Pennu is a form of the
Earth-Mother who was worshipped by the Kolarians of Bengal, and made fecund periodically by oblations
of blood at her festival of reproduction when the human doctrine was repeated and reapplied to external
nature and she was fertilized with blood. The offering was at times the flesh and blood of a virgin. A
young girl, called the Meriah, was stripped stark naked and bound with cords to a maypole crowned with
flowers, and ultimately put to death with horrible tortures, torn in pieces, and partly eaten. (Réclus,
Primitive Folk, pages. 311-315.) In the Khond sacrifice of the Meriah we have another form of the Great
Mother. She was fastened to the stake by her hair and forced to become a figure of the crucified, for her
arms were extended cross-wise by four priests, who pulled her legs apart to complete the figure. She
was the cross, the crucified and the Christ or Charis in one.

The theory now substantiated is that the earliest Totems were zootypes of the Mothers, that the Mother
was the earliest victim [Page 75] eaten at the family meal, and that the human sacrifice was commuted by
the substitution of the Totemic animal at a later stage of development. Thus, we hear that the sacrificial
offering made to the river Nile was first of all a human virgin, and afterwards a sacred animal. Also, when
the Panes-Bird of the Acagchemens is said to have been a woman previously, or elsewhere, we see the
bird has been substituted for the human victim in the Eucharistic rite as representative of the Great
Mother. The Emu was the bird of Earth in Australia, like the Goose in Egypt. As layer of the egg it
represented Earth, the Mother of Food. Now the Emu, in the Kurnai mythology, is also called " the
Woman", or Mother, who, like Neith, was imaged as the Giver of Food. And when the Arunta members of
the Emu Totem propitiate the power solicited by them for the increase of food, the blood which they shed
from their own veins is not simply poured forth on the ground. A small prepared plot of soil is saturated
with blood and allowed to dry, and on this the bird is outlined to represent the food of the Totem for which
they are asking. The Emu is a type of the Earth-Mother to whom the oblation of blood is offered, and who
is thus identified by the bird as their provider or providence, who had been "the Woman" previously. The
human Mothers had been eaten sacramentally to preserve the family blood in all its primal, that was
virginal, purity. At a later stage, when the Totemic animal was religiously eaten periodically as the
sacrificial victim, this had come to represent the Great Mother, the Earth-Mother, the Mother who was
propitiated and pleaded with for provender; the Mother of Food who was eaten vicariously with the Totem
as her type of food. Blood was the ancient life and Motherhood the fount of source. Blood was the
earliest human tie. Then the Blood-Brotherhood succeeded and gradually superseded the Blood-
Motherhood. A group of progenitors, or brothers of the blood, began to usurp the place of the
Ancestresses as parental powers on the way to finally establishing the Patriarchate.

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the traditions of the Arunta, they had no stone knife, no fire-stick, no rites or ceremonies of pubescence.
Indeed, there were no men or women then extant. The nascent race was not yet humanized; it had to be
created by becoming Totemic. This tradition of the human origin, which can be universally corroborated,
is, in its way, a primitive version of the so-called "Creation of Man" that comes to us belated in the Book
of Genesis. It tends to show that human beings, "Created Men" of the Egyptian "Tem", were a birth of
Totemism. The traditions of the Arunta affirm that Totemism originated with "Two Women" who, as here
suggested, were the Mother and the Eldest Daughter in the human family, the first two persons who were
recognized as ancestral types of the Virgin who conceived and the Mother who brought forth. There is
ample evidence to show that Totemism was founded by "Two Women", the "Two Women" who were the
mythical Ancestresses of the Race. These are represented by the two females who prepared young girls
for sexual intercourse at the period of pubescence, by performing the opening rite of introcision, and who
were consequently the typical founders of Totemism. [Page 76]

The Arunta say it had been found that many of the younger women died in consequence of unlimited
promiscuous intercourse with men who were unrestrained and women unprepared by the opening rite
when there was as yet no law of tabu. The opening rite was preparatory and considered necessary to
befit the young women for sexual intercourse, and also to protect them previously from savage treatment.
Therefore we argue that it was devised by the Mothers for the protection of the daughters. The women of
the Hawk Totem are said to have made certain men "ashamed of their excesses". (Spencer and Gillen,
N.T., page 416.) The men were monstrous in their size and savagery, and necessitated the Totemic rites.
It is related of the "Two Women", here called the Elder and the Younger Sisters, that they were
"considerably alarmed at the Ulpmerka Men". But when the pubescent rites had been performed, the
women were no longer afraid, and all the men had free access to them (page 315). In order that the fears
of the "Two Women" might be allayed the Ulpmerka made a large nurtunja, or Totem-pole, upon which
the sacred emblems called the Churinga were suspended. "After this had been shown to the women they
were no longer timid". One of the Two was then decorated with the down of birds and a small nurtunja, of
a blunt, conical shape, was set upon her head for ornament, and the men danced round her, shouting
"Wah! Wah!" Then she was taken and laid beside the large nurtunja, which was fixed upright in the
ground. The operation of opening the vulva, Atna ariltha-Kuma, was then performed by means of a large
stone knife. After this the intercourse was lawful and all the men had access to her. The same ceremony
was repeated in the initiation of the second or younger woman. Sexual intercourse till then had been
promiscuous, and there was no standing on ceremony or waiting till the females came of age for rape to
be enforced. The first two females were made into women by means of the opening rite in which they
were prepared for Totemic connubium. One of these, the elder one, operated on the younger, and then
the two women became the first Ancestresses of the Race who were constituted such by the opening rite
that was performed at puberty. These were the Two Women of the Lizard Totem. There were only "Two
Women" originally among the Plum-tree Ulpmerka Men, that is the uncircumcised. At first they were
unopened. Then they were operated on, and all the men had access to them, first with one, and then with
the other (page 315). These were the Two Women with whom semi-promiscuity was regulated by the
division into the two classes with which dichotomous-Totemism began. These Two Women are variously
described as coming to introduce the rite of pubescence by means of which the girls were made into
women and the uncircumcised males into men. This is performed by them at different halting places.
Under the Matriarchate, racial descent was reckoned by the Mother-blood, therefore the Mother was the
earliest Woman known. The eldest daughter was the primary channel of descent. Therefore the eldest
daughter was the second woman of the primal Two. A score of mothers or daughters would not change
the type of the two women first known as the Mother and Eldest Daughter or the Two [Page 77] Sisters.

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Thus amongst the primitive or archaic traditions of the human race there is a legend of descent from
"Two Women" called the "ancestresses". This is extant in Africa and in Australia in Totemism and
Mythology. The Arunta have several traditions or fragments of tradition concerning these two typical
women in the sociology of Totemism. There were "Two Women" in the Alcheringa or Mythical Past. Two
Women of the Opossum Totem. (page 403). Two Women of the Magpie Totem (page404). Two Women
of the Hakea Totem (page 436). Two Women of the Kangaroo Totem (page 464). Two Women who
accompanied the Men of the Plum-tree in the Alcheringa, as Two Sisters, Elder and Younger (pages 149
and 315). The starting point of the Hakea-flower Totem is from Two Female Ancestors (page 122). These
Two Women are called the elder and the younger. All the men had access to both of them as soon as
they had undergone the opening rite.

Thus the Arunta trace the origin of Totemism in its sociological aspect to the rites of puberty that were
adopted for utility when the pre-human creatures were first changed into women and men by means of
the rites. These were first performed upon Two Women of the Lizard Totem, one being described as the
Elder, the other as the Younger Sister. The lizard is the sign of feminine pubescence and especially the
Mother's Totem in Africa and Australia. Hence it was honoured as the author of primitive marriage. The
Two Women are the Ancestresses of the human race because they were the first two females to undergo
the preparatory rite that changed them into Totemic women fitted for social intercourse in communal
connubium. This feminine duality evolved in the sociology had been divinized as the Great Mother in
mythology both in Australia and in Africa. In the Osirian cult Isis and Nephthys are at once the Two
Mothers, Two Sisters, and Two Wives of Osiris. Isis is the Virgin-Mother, the Blood-Mother, the one of
Two who conceives but does not bring forth the Child. Nephthys represents the Goddess who does bring
forth and who is the Nurse by name. These are also called the Mother and Sister as well as the Two
Sisters and the Two Wives. In short, they are the Two human Ancestresses of the Race who were
divinized in Mythology. Thus the Two Women who were the Authors of Totemism are the Two
Ancestresses who may be described either as Two Mothers, Two Sisters elder and younger, Mother and
Daughter, or the Virgin and Gestator, in the various legends, because they are the typical Two that were
from the beginning when the Mother and Eldest Daughter were the means of descent during the
Matriarchate. With the Nairs of Malabar, whose manners are very primitive, the brothers obey their eldest
sister. Next to the mother she is the ruler of the family. And in former times, on great ceremonial
occasions, the reigning prince himself yielded precedence to his eldest daughter. She was one of the
only "Two Women". The Mother being the first person in the human family, the eldest sister was the
second as next available for sexual intercourse; and these became the mythical "Two Women" from
whom the Australian natives claim descent. These represent the female duality that brought on the
Mother-blood. In some of the legends the Mother passes into the Two Ancestresses as the Mother [Page
78] and Sister, instead of Mother and Daughter. At others they are the Two Sisters. Isis is designated the
Mother, and Nephthys the Sister. Demeter is the Mother, and Persephone or Kore is the Daughter. The
two were often called the Mother and Daughter. It may seem a long way from the Greek Mother and
Daughter to the Polynesian Mythology, but as a form of the feminine ancestors they are originally the
same in the human sphere. In the Australian ceremonies of initiation there is what Howitt terms the
feminine "duality" of Ngalalbal, in the "Wives of Daramulun". This female duality is the analogue of the
two sisters, Isis and Nephthys, who were the two consorts of Horus or Osiris in the Egyptian mythos.
These Two Sisters are the same Two Mothers of the typical child in Australia as in Africa, Daramulun, like
Horus, is the child of the Two Mothers, "The Ngalalbal-dance", says Howitt, "is rendered very effective
through being preceded by the duality of Ngalalbal, the wives of Daramulun" these are seen to glide from
the forest past the fire and to disappear in the gloom beyond to a slow and rather melancholy air sung by
the audience, which may be rendered. "Ngalalbal, you two coming from afar, where are you going to?"
(Howitt, Australian Ceremonies of Initiation.) Ngalalbal, the wife of Daramulun, was originally represented

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by the Emu, and is at the same time "the Woman" who divides into the Two Women. Thus the human
source of descent follows the pre-human here, as in the Egyptian Mythos. And in the duality of Ngalalbal
we have the two wives who are the two sisters of Horus in the Osirian myth. This feminine duality was
one of the secret mysteries in Australia as in Africa. Communal marriage, as practised in Totemism, had
been reduced in Egypt to the system of two wives; the one being known as the Hemet or Wife, the other
as the Nebt-Paru or Mistress of the House. This was also an Inner-African marriage institution. The first
corresponded to Isis the Wife; the second to Nephthys the Mistress of the House. The Wives of Osiris
were also his Sisters. Isis says to Osiris, "I am thy double Sister". This she was in the two characters of
Isis and Nephthys, because the Great Mother qua Mother duplicated in the two females as ancestresses.
Hence the "Double Divine Mother" who is mentioned in the texts. Not that Osiris was supposed to have
married two Blood-Sisters, but that sister was the earlier name for the Wife, because there was a Totemic
Sisterhood corresponding to the Totemic Brotherhood. This dual symbolism, extant amongst the
Australian aborigines, had been divinized and preserved in the Mythology of Egypt, because it was once
extant in the Sociology. In these Two Sisters who were Two Wives one sees the Totemic consorts
reduced to that number as the sisters of one brother, on the way to complete monogamy. At an earlier
social stage, which we find among the Namaqua Hottentots, two chiefs had four wives in common among
them. This was a departure from the equality of the more primitive communal connubium in which four
brothers were husbands to four sisters, as in Africa, or ten brothers to ten sisters, as in Britain.
There would have been two Ancestresses to the human race in the Hebrew Genesis if the legend had
been properly reported. In the extra-biblical tradition Adam had two wives, Lilith and Chavah, but [Page 79]
Lilith, the more mystical female of the two, has been damned by orthodoxy as the demoniacal destroyer
of children - she who did not bring forth. In a more mystical phase the female duality of nature was prepubescent
and pubescent. It is mentioned here because the dogma of a Virgin-Mother originated in this
natural reality, and because the two divine women Isis and Nephthys also represent the Virgin and the
Mother in this mystical character. Isis was the Virgin and Nephthys was Matrona; the Virgin who
conceived, and Matrona who brought forth the child. Female nature of itself divides into the two phases
of Girlhood and Womanhood; the Virgin and the Mother, the one being the Mother of blood, the other the
Milch-Mother of the child. Such was the origin of a double Motherhood which is personified in the
Egyptian mythos. In one cult the Goddess Neith is the Mother who conceives the child, and Sekhet is the
Bringer-forth. Now , Neith was the mystical Virgin, whilst Sekhet was the Goddess of sexual passion. But
in the Osirian cult this female duality was represented by Isis the Virgin and Nephthys the Nurse. These
are the Two human Ancestresses (Tiriti) divinized, but not merely as two sisters in sociology.

The marital or sexual relations were at first promiscuous. Then there was a division of the gregarians into
two communities or classes in which the primal promiscuity was regulated for group-marriage with the
totality divided in two halves, and subdivided afterward by the Totems, which were extended more and
more until they reached the radius of the "Upper Ten" or the Chinese "hundred families". As will bear
repeating, to the confusion of various writers, the Arunta have traditions of a time when a man always
married a sister of his own Totem. This, as tribal, followed the marriage of the brother and sister of the
blood in natural endogamy: the same intermarriage that is found in African Totemism. There was a time,
the Arunta also say, when "under the old system" all the Purula women were eligible as wives to a
Panungo man, whereas under the new system only one half of the women were marriageable to him
(Native Tribes, page 421) those of the other half being strictly forbidden to him. This shows that utterly
promiscuous intercourse was followed and superseded by the division of the whole into two halves;
which we take to have been the intercourse that was sacred to the brother and sister of the blood within
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groups. As testified to by the latest witnesses, the "fundamental feature" in the organism of the Australian
tribes is "the division of the tribe into two exogamous intermarrying groups" (page55). In the Urabunna
Tribe, which may be taken as typical, "the whole tribe is divided up into two exogamous intermarrying
classes, respectively called Matthurie and Kirarawa. These two classes are subdivided into two sixes as
Totemic “groups". All descent is counted from the Mother both as regards class and Totem (page 60).
And " the men of one half of the tribe must marry the women of the other half in marriage by the group,
no such thing as individual marriage being known. One of the Australian aborigines who had travelled far
and wide has stated that "he was furnished with temporary wives by the various tribes amongst whom he
sojourned in his travels; that his right to these women was recognized [Page 80] as a matter of course;
and that he could always ascertain whether they belonged to the division into which he could legally
marry, though the places were I ,000 miles apart and the languages were quite different. " (Fison and
Howitt, page 53.) Starting from the beginning with the Two Classes, one man at that stage was entitled to
half the women. As we find, the two divisions spread out over great parts of the land . Totems were
added and further divisions made when the two were divided into four and the four into eight, but if the
man belonged to one of the primary two classes, his right to half of the women corresponding to his
Totem would still hold good if they were scattered over all the country. His range in the communal
marriage would be more circumscribed if his were one of the well-known four Totems, and become still
more limited if it were only one of the eight into which the two were so frequently subdivided in Australia
and America. On certain festival occasions the women of all the Totems are held as common property or
there is partial promiscuity of the sexes by a return from the sub-divisional arrangement to that of the first
Two Classes; as when a man will lend his wife to a stranger, always provided that he belongs to the
same class as himself (N.T., page 93), the class that was anterior to the Totem. This common right of all
the tribal brothers of one class to all the women of the other even from the beginning, when there were
but two, will explain certain perplexing marriage customs of later times, when the marriage of individuals
was slowly taking the place of marriage between groups or classes; which may be termed customs of
exemption from the primitive communal connubium, such as the right of the tribal elders to act the part of
Baal-Peor, and the droit du seigneur still extant, although commutable, in the island of Jersey.
As a natural fact, the human race originated from the Mother-earth in Two Classes. They were the forestfolk
and the Troglodites born of the Tree and the Rock; and such a fact was sure to have been preserved
in the Kamite Record. In the very first stage they were the children of Earth, or the Earth-Mother. The
Mother is then divided or followed by the Two Women who are distinguished from each other by their
emblems of the Birth-place: the Tree and the Rock, or stone with a hole in it, which is an image of the
Mother-earth. We can now compare the wood and stone Churinga of the Arunta with other emblems of
the Tree and Rock of earth.

The Australian Totemic system begins with being Dichotomous. There is a Division of the Whole in two
halves. The Arunta erect two Totem-posts or sacred poles, one for the south and one for the north, by
which the division is most carefully distinguished. There are Two Ancestresses or self-existent female
founders; Two kinds of Churinga made of wood and stone; Two Women of the Lizard Totem. There are
several instances in which the first departure from promiscuity remains final because it has never been
outgrown. This is so in the case of the two classes still extant and still recognizable, which held good for
marital rights all over the continent. The whole universe was divided into two primary classes of things,
corresponding to the two primary Totemic classes of the Australian aborigines.[Page 81] The Port Makay
Tribe in Queensland divided all Nature between their two primary Motherhoods; the dichotomous system
founded on the twofold character of the Mother as Virgin and Gestator whom the Egyptians had divinized
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the signs of subdivisions. Indeed, it appears that we get a glimpse here and there of the two divisions
without any Totems following them, as if the most rudimentary organization had extended no further. The
Banks Islanders, for example, appear to have been divided into two primary classes, and to have had no
sub-divisional Totems. Reading Totemism by aid of the Egyptian wisdom, it is evident that the two
classes, the two kinds of Churinga (wood and stone), the two Poles (North and South), the two women,
represent the Motherhood that was duplicated in the two female ancestors; and that the Totems of the
sub-divisions represent the blood-brotherhoods, thus affiliated to the Mother-blood which were followed
finally by the blood-fatherhood. The Arunta beginning is immeasurably later than the Egyptian tradition
preserved in the astronomical mythology. Their beginning is in fact with Totemism. This was preceded by
a period or condition of existence called “ the Alcheringa “ or the far-off past of the mythical ancestors of
whose origin and nature they have no knowledge but have preserved the tradition.

The twofold division was fundamental and universal in Egypt. Beginning with the two Egypts and the two
Tiruti they had the two halves, North and South, divided by the Equinoctial line: the two earths upper and
lower, the two houses of earth and heaven, the two houses of government, the two houses of the
treasury, the two granaries, the two fields of sacrifice. The War Department was twofold. The property of
the State and of the Temple was divided into two parts. An endeavour to recover the Kamite mythology
from the traditions of the Arunta may look like fishing the infinite, but deep-sea dredgers sometimes find
strange things. The Ritual preserves a record of the fact that in the primary division of the total or the
whole earth in two halves, the boundaries of South and North were determined by two trees. Hence,
when the Sun, or Solar God, rises in the East, he is said to issue forth from betwixt the two sycamores of
the North and South. This division of the oneness in space into North and South in locality has been
curiously preserved by the Arunta Tribes, who make use of the two Poles in their religious or Totemic
ceremonies, one the Nurtunja, is erected in the North; the other, called the Waninga, is made use of in
the South. (page627.) These are equivalent to the Kamite two sycamore-trees of the North and South, as
types of the original division of the earth, and of the later earth and heaven; also called the two trees in
the garden of the beginning. This primordial division of the whole into two classes still persists in the
Christian scheme of the future life, where the dichotomous arrangement of the promiscuous multitude is
continued as from the first. There are to be only two classes of people in the world to come, and only two
Totems, the sheep and the goat, to distinguish those who are still described in gesture- language as
being the one on the right hand, the other on the left; [Page 82] which is a re-beginning hereafter in exact
accordance with the first Totemic bifurcation of the human race on earth.

In the course of time, as human consciousness increased, the Mother would be made exempt from the
primitive promiscuous intercourse. Here it may be observed that much of the early wisdom was secreted
in the Totemic Tabus that were recited to the initiates in the mysteries of young-man and young-womanmaking.
The Buffalo-clan of the Omaha Indians are prohibited from eating a calf whilst it is red, but when
it turns black the animal may be eaten. This, as we understand it, was a mode of memorial by means of
Tabu. There was a similar prohibition in the Red Maize clan. The youngsters the sub-clan are told that if
they were to eat of the red maize they would break out in running sores all round the mouth. Nothing is
more common in the initiation of Australian youths than for these to be solemnly warned against eating
forbidden food. They are not to eat the emu, that is a Totem which represents the Mother - as did other
forms of prohibited food, including the tree. Thus eating the fruit of the forbidden tree is violating the
Mother or female in one of the phases known to be prohibited. If, as herein advanced, the Totem first
represented the Mother, we may find a root-reason why it came to be prohibited from being eaten,
excepting as a sacrament at the religious festival of promiscuity once a year. We know that in the Totemic
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This probably registers the fact that, when the boys became pubescent, the Mothers showed their own
the way, in the early state of promiscuity. And the likelihood is that the Mother was made Tabu to her own
children as the earliest law of prohibition from what came to be considered unnatural sexual intercourse
which had been at one time natural. They were prohibited from "eating of her" in this sense, and the
mode of memorizing the law would be by not eating of it the zootype which represented the Mother. The
Hindu does not eat the cow, the Jew does not eat the swine, and this is because these represented the
Mother as a Totemic sign, and the typical Great Mother in the Mythology. Descent from the Mother was
represented by descent from the Totem. Thus, if the Totem were a cow, and it was said in a mystery, thou
shalt not eat of the cow, when it was intended to repudiate the primitive practice, the command would
signify in Sign-Ianguage, "Thou shalt not eat the Mother". She was now forbidden food, whether as the
cow, the sow, the emu, or the tree, the same as with the red calf, which represented the child. According
to Bailey, the custom of the Veddahs "sanctions the marriage of a man with his younger sister". But to
"marry an elder sister or aunt would, in their estimation, be incestuous", whereas "marriage with the
younger sister is considered to be natural". It was in fact the proper marriage. To understand this, we may
assume that the elder sister of two stands for the Mother, and that the Tabu was originally directed
against connubium betwixt the son and the Mother, whereas the marriage or a brother and sister, blood
or tribal, was allowed as the only proper connection now for preserving the Mother-blood without
committing, incest. [Page 83]

If the Totem is a means of Tabu, as we know it to have been, and the Mother or the Sister is represented
by the Totem, then the human female is aimed at under various Totemic types. Thou shalt not eat the calf
whilst it is red would convey protection for the pre-pubescent girl: There are twenty different kinds of
game forbidden to the Narrinyeri youths in their initiation; also any food belonging to women is prohibited.
This would include the animal which constituted the Totem that was first of all the sign of the Mother
herself, as the cow, the sow, the mouse, or other female zootype. Thus, when, as Plutarch tells us, the
Egyptians thought that if a man should drink the milk of a sow his body would break out in sores, it
should be remembered that the sow was a Totem of the Mother, and the human Mother was masked by
the sow. Various Tabus are expressed in Sign-Ianguage, which has to be interpreted. A prohibition
against eating the Mother would be expressed by not eating the food or animal that was her Totem. Say
the Totem was a type of the Mother, who was at one time eaten, and was represented by the cow, and
afterwards the custom was prohibited, the law of Tabu in that case would be conveyed to the initiate in
the primitive mysteries by the injunction "Thou shalt not eat the cow", or cohabit with the Mother. Various
Tabus were certainly conveyed in that way. Thou shalt not eat the cow, Hindu and Toda Tabu; Thou shalt
not eat the sow, Jewish Tabu; Thou shalt not drink the milk of the sow, Egyptian Tabu; Thou shalt not eat
the hare, Damara Tabu; Thou shalt not go near or look on the crocodile, Bechuana Tabu; Thou shalt not
eat the calf while it is red, Omaha Tabu; Thou shalt not touch the Mother-blood, common Tabu; Thou
shalt not eat the female of any animal, Kurnai Tabu; Thou shalt not eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge,
Biblical Tabu; Thou shalt not eat the Totem, common Tabu. We might add “Thou shalt not marry a
deceased wife's sister", as a Christian Tabu. Thus not eating the cow or other female-totem - like the sow
or the panes-bird - would originally mean not conjoining with the Mother, whereas not eating the calf
whilst it was red would be a mode of protecting or of safeguarding the impubescent girl.

The Totemic festival of fructification naturally had a phallic character, as it was sexual from the first. It was
not only performed at seed-sowing and harvest, on behalf of food. Long before corn was cultivated in the
name of Isis or Demeter, there was a general rejoicing at the time when the youth was made into a man
and the girl into a woman. The general rejoicing at the girl's coming of age was in celebration of her
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least on this occasion when she entered the ranks of womanhood as common property, which was
afterwards made several by development of the marriage Iaw. Marriage began as a recognized, if
regulated, right of all the brothers to ravish every maiden as she came of age, and thus to make a
woman of her for tribal connubium. And the primitive rite, though commuted, was continued in the later
ceremonies. Various customs tend to show that capture in marriage originated as a mode of rescuing or
ransoming the woman from the clutch of the general community in which the female was common [Page
84] to all the males of the group. In the special marriage of individual pairs the woman had to be captured
and carried off from the group only instead of being captured we might say "rescued" by the individual
(and his friends) from being the promiscuous property of the community. Hence the custom of
compensation to the group (or, later, parents) for permitting the female to become private property in
personal marriage. The primitive rite of connubium was first consummated by all the males of the Totemic
group, not by an individual husband. The customs show that communal connubium involved connection
with the whole brotherhood as a rite of marriage after the general promiscuity had been modified. For
instance, with the Australian Kunandaburi tribe when a girl became marriageable, on natural grounds, her
affianced husband, accompanied by his male contemporaries, fetched her from her parents, and the
marriage was consummated there and then, not by the husband, but by the whole of his confrères; the
jus primae noctis, including all his Totemic brethren. Mr. O'Donnell, who furnished the information, says it
included all the males present in camp without exception of class, Totem or kin, and was fulfilled for
several days. (Howitt, Mother-right to Father-right, J. A. S., February 7,21, 1882.) This was communal
connubium once for all, but only once, in place of the older custom of continual promiscuity. In the
Sonthal marriage, which also takes place by the group once a year, all the candidates for matrimony live
together for six days in promiscuous intercourse. After which, only separate couples are held to have
established their right to marry. (The People of India, by J. F. Watson and J. W. Kaye, Vol. i., page 2.)
Thus there was a rite of promiscuity observed as a propitiatory preparation for individual marriage. This
was to be seen at the temple of Belit in Babylon, where the women offered themselves to all men
promiscuously before they were free to marry. It was a mode of releasing the woman from a bondage
imposed upon her in the past. It is said of this custom in the Epistle of Jeremy - "The women also with
cords about them, sat in the ways burning bran for incense: but if any of them, drawn by some that
passeth by, lie with him, she reproacheth her fellow that she was not thought as worthy as herself nor her
cord broken (Book of Baruch, 6, 43).When the Attic maidens danced as bears at the Brauronia in the
αρκτεια of Artemis, it was a mode of making them individually marriageable, and the mode was evidently
in accordance with the Totemic ritual as in the mysteries of Belit. This will also explain the crave for
human blood, which was attributed to the goddess, on the ground that the blood was that of the Virgins
thus consecrated by the most ancient practice of promiscuity, or all-for-all.

Consider the 'Scandals of the Ancient World' before considering more Massey.

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In the south of Malayalam a married woman is permitted to have twelve other husbands as lovers
besides the man to whom she is legally bound, but she must play the game fairly and not exceed the
number allowed. With the Esquimaux or Inoits the primitive [Page 85] communal marriage still obtains in
spite of their being monogamists in appearance. As M. Réclus remarks, adultery is a daily escapade with
the women as well as the men. The "members of the Marital Association keep running accounts and
open large credits" with each other. When the wind blows from the south every woman is out on the
rampage after other men, but each wife must lawfully couple with the man to whom the husband would
willingly have lent her, and who will lend his own wife in return. They hold that all were made for all. The

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sin against nature is for the lawful wife to seek connubium with a bachelor, who can make no return in
kind to the husband. (Réclus, Primitive Folk, English Translation, page 32. Ross, Second Voyage.) The
custom is African. Sir Harry Johnston mentions a curious mode of weighing out even-handed justice in
cases of adultery. Amongst the A-nyanja if a man is caught in the act he is compelled to get another man
as substitute to cohabit with his wife before he can return to her; he must also pay his substitute for this
service four yards of cloth, or make an equivalent present, otherwise the substitute can claim and carry
off the wife as his own property. (Brit. Cent. Africa, page 415.)

It was not the men alone who resisted the change. According to Petherick, the mother of the bride,
among the Hassanyeh Arabs, protests against "binding her daughter" to a due observance of that
chastity which matrimony is expected to command for more than two days in the week at a time.
(Petherick, J., Egypt, the Soudan, and Central Africa.) Various ways of limiting the primitive promiscuity,
and at the same time of securing elasticity in the marriage tie, might be cited. For example, the Spaniards
found a curious custom current in Lancerota. A woman there had several husbands, but "a husband was
considered as such only during a lunar revolution". (Spencer, Data, 298.) Thus one woman was limited to
one man for a month, and the marital relations were changeable with the moon. That which was once the
woman's right is still sought for as a privilege when the Esthonian women claim to repeat the rites of the
ancient saturnalia, such as dancing in a state of nudity at the festival of spring. With us the Matriarchate
still survives on Friday, the woman's day, and in February, the month in which the women claim the right
to choose their husbands every leap-year. On certain festive occasions there is a total or partial return to
the pre-eval status of the sexes. This return occurs at the phallic festival or primitive Agapae. In a
corroboree of the Arunta, which lasts for ten days or a fortnight at a time, there is a partial return to
promiscuity, or the sexual licence which the natives say was a practice of the Alcheringa, or old, old
times. (N.T., page. 96 to 101.) This does not stand alone. According to the report of Mr. Kühn in Kamilaroi
and Kurnai (by L. Fison and A. W. Howitt, pages. 285 to 287), the men of the Turra tribe were not
debarred from sexual intercourse with women of their own Totem in the orgies of the grand corroboree.
This shows the same return to utter promiscuity for the time being as in all other celebrations of the
phallic festival when the only law was that of all for all. It was a return pro tem to the most ancient usage,
which is represented in mythology by the old first Mother in connubium with her own sons. The primitive
customs were established as a means [Page 86] of memorizing that which could not otherwise be
registered. Thus the Arunta danced the history of their descent from the time when the race was not
divided by the Lizard. And thus the state of promiscuous intercourse was repeated in the religious
mysteries, including those of the Christian Church. According to a Latin myth, the saturnalia of ancient
Rome was held in commemoration of the sexual promiscuity that once obtained. Such customs
constituted the record of prehistoric if not primitive man. That is why their performance is so permanent
and so universal.

A change in the human descent from the Motherhood to the fatherhood is apparent in the Egyptian
Mythology as early as the time of Ptah, the father of Atum-Ra. The Mother, human or divine, was
primordial. Next came the sisters. Then the brothers, the same in mythology as in Totemism. Previous to
the dynasty of Ptah there were seven brothers born of the sevenfold Motherhood, when there was as yet
no father individualized. Six of these were pre-human, for instance, Sut the Male-Hippopotamus, Sebek
the Crocodile, Shu the Lion, Hapi the Ape, Apuat the Jackal, Kabhsenuf the Hawk; and one the Elder
Horus, was human, as the child of Isis, the blood-Mother. The seven souls are commonly reckoned as 6
+ I. The six are pre-anthropomorphic. They were powers of the elements represented by the zootypes,
such as the soul of earth that was Imaged by the beast of earth; the soul of water by the crocodile; the
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seventh soul was human. This was imaged in Child-Horus, who became the chief of the Seven and
leader of the Company.

The Dog-rib Indians preserve a tradition, which is also repeated along the Pacific coast from Alaska to
Oregon, that the ancient Mother of the human race was a woman who was mated with a dog. The
woman gave birth to six pups, which used to throw off their skins at will when they were alone, and play
in human shape. This, in its quaint way, is another form of the mystery of the six as pre-human souls
which culminated in the seventh soul that attained the human status together with the anthropomorphic
type. In the Mangaian “Mute-Iand," at the root of all beginning, there are "Two Women", called the Mother
and her Daughter. This beginning was at the bottom of the hollow cocoa-nut shell called Avaiki. Vari is the
name of the mythical Great Mother. Tu-Metua is the daughter. Her name, which signifies "Stick-by-theparent",
is knowingly natural. Another point. She is the last product of the Great Mother, the only female
child, and is called her support, her beloved child. These two are the ground and basis of a world in six
divisions.

Now, there came a time in Egypt when the brothers, who had previously been the children of the Mother,
were called the sons of Ptah, and all their powers were comprehended in the unity of the God , who was
portrayed as both Father and Mother in one person. In the Texts, Ptah is called " the husband of his
Mother", which shows the polygamous Patriarch who afterwards entered the monogamic state with
Sekhet Mer-Ptah for his single consort. (Maspero, The Dawn of Civilisation, page106. Note, English
translator) It has been previously [Page 87] shown that the custom of couvade was a dramatic mode of
affiliating the offspring to the father which had previously derived its descent from the Mother. (Natural
Genesis.) It is certain that in this the male impersonates the Mother because he acts as if in gestation
with the child and sometimes undergoes a fictitious parturition. But the supreme peculiarity of this
primitive mystery is that the male parent not only acts the part of the Mother, but also of the father; both
parents in one person. It is in this sense only that Sut, who was the first-born of the Seven, is called in
later language a Father of the Gods. (Rit., ch. 8.) In Akkad or Babylonia, the group of seven males is
divided into Ea as a father with his six sons. It is the same among the Zuni Indians, whose fetish deities
are seven in number, that is six, with a form of God the Father as the supreme one. These were the
rulers of the six regions or mountains, with Po-shai-an-kia in the centre as the head over all. (Cushing.
Second Annual Report, Bureau of Ethnology, Washington, 1883.)

A soul of life in man, animal, and vegetable was at one time held to be derived by the transformation and
embodiment of some external force in animal guise. Hence came the anima or soul of wind that was
humanized in breathing, whether as the soul of man or animal. At length it was observed that a human
soul of flesh was formed or embodied in the Mother-blood, as it was written in the secret Book of Nature.
This was the earliest soul of man that was discreted from the external elements of life, which formed the
rudimentary and pre-human beings who are to be met with in the legends of the aborigines the whole
world over. These were also known to the Semites as pre-Adamic people; the Admu, the Kings of Edom,
which brings us back to the Egyptian root of the matter in the word Tum or Tem.Tem, we repeat, signifies
Mankind, mortals, created persons, which were created mystically from the soul of Adam in Hebrew, or
Atum in Egyptian, the earlier form of which name in the Ritual is "Tum". The race of Tum, Atum, or Ad mu
identify their origin in nature, with the soul of blood by the Adamic name. And, sociologically, the
"Creation of Man" qua man was a birth of Totemism. The creation of man in the Egyptian genesis is late
when measured by the mythology. Atum represents the primal being who was the earliest evolved as
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This, with Atum as Supreme God in the human likeness, was preceded by the lunar and the stellar
mythos; by the Mother-earth and all her Elemental Powers. We shall frequently find the time-gauge of the
past in Egypt when it is nowhere else recoverable on earth.

The subject of the Hebrew beginnings is fundamentally the same, as will be seen when we can reach the
root. It is the evolution of the human race from the pre-human conditions that were actual in nature and
not, as alleged, the abortions of a false belief. This was the subject dramatized, danced and taught in all
the mysteries of gesture-language and Totemic ceremonies by means of which the unwritten past was
commemorated and indurated by ceaseless repetition of the acted drama.

The so-called Legends of Creation would be more correctly termed [Page 88] the legend of human
Evolution, although in a different sense from that of Darwinian development. As Semite, they came to us
in the latest and least genuine form, with no clue to any true interpretation. In a Maori myth, Man was
created by the God Tiki from red clay. This he kneaded with his own blood, or with red water from the
swamps. Man is Atum in Egyptian, Admu in Assyrian, Adam in Hebrew; and this was the creation of the
human Being discriminated from the preliminary and pre-human Beings of the Mythos and the Märchen
in legendary lore. It was the soul of blood distinguished from the earlier souls or forces of the external
elements, which were the six preceding the human soul as supreme one. The origins in mythology are
very natural underneath the mask. Indeed, they are a hundred-fold more natural than the pretended
explanations of their modern mis-interpreters. Primitive naturalists had only the light of nature for
guidance, and by this they went.

The creation of man, or, as the earlier versions have it, of men and women, was mystical in one sense, in
another it is Totemic. As before said, the history of the race might be roughly divided into pre-Totemic and
Totemic, pre-human and human. This, when reflected in the mirror of Egyptian Mythology, is pre-Atumic,
or, in the Semitic version, pre-Adamic and Adamic. The same legend of a later origin for mankind is also
Mexican. When there were no human beings on the earth certain of the lower powers solicited help from
the supreme gods in the work of creation, or of a re beginning. They are instructed to collect, the remains
of the former race, and these will be vivified by the blood of the Gods. In this version the god who plays
the part of Atum, Adam. or Belus procures a bone from the burial-place, and on this the gods drop the
blood drawn from their own bodies. Whereupon there is a new creation, namely, that of mankind.
(Mendieta, Hist. Ecl. Ind., page77.) Here, as elsewhere, the human soul of blood is derived from source
as male instead of from the earlier motherhood. So in the Book of Genesis the second creation of Adam
is based upon the bone called a rib which is extracted from the male.

It is in Atum, the Son of Ptah, that man was perfected. In him the Matriarchate is completely superseded
by the Father-Right or derivation from the Fatherhood. Now the change in the human descent from the
Mother-blood to the Father-blood is obviously commemorated in the mysteries or ceremonial rites of the
Arunta. In the operation of young-man-making two modes of cutting are performed upon the boy by
which he becomes a man and a tribal father. The first of these is commonly known as circumcision, or
lartna, by the Arunta; the other ceremony of initiation, which comes later, is the rite of sub-incision called
ariltha. The second cutting is necessary for the completion of the perfect man. Indeed, some of the more
stalwart young men undergo the cruel rite a second or even a third time (N.T., page 257) to prove their
manhood. With this trial-test the youth becomes a man; a fathership is founded, and, as certain customs
show, the Motherhood is in a measure cast off at the time or typically superseded by the fatherhood.
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preceded the operation performed upon the men, and we [Page 89] suggest that this was a custom
established, like that of couvade, in the course of commemorating the change from the Matriarchate to
the Father-right.

The rite is Inner African. It is universally practised by the Fan (or Fang) Tribes. An uncircumcised native is
not considered as a man either for fighting, working, or inheriting, but is regarded as a nonentity and not
allowed to marry. The rite proves the reality of manhood. (Nassau, Fetishism in West Africa, page 12.)
We have previously traced the custom of couvade to Ptah, and now propose to trace the rite of ariltha or
sub-incision to the full-formed father Atum, who was his son. When the Arunta perform the rite of subincision,
which follows that of the primary operation, a slit is cut in the penis right down to the root. The
natives have no idea as to the origin of the practice. (N.T., page 263.) But as the practice proves, it is
performed as an assertion of manhood, and is a mode of making the boy into a man, or creating man.
Now, at this time it was customary to cast the Motherhood aside by some significant action, that is at the
time when the fathership is established in the initiation ceremony. And in the Arunta rite of sub-incision
the operating Mura first of all cuts out an oval-shaped piece of skin (from the male member) which he
flings away. (Page 257.) The oval shape is an emblem of the female all the world over, and this we take
to be another mode of rejecting the mother and of attributing begettal to the father, as it was attributed in
the creation by Atum-Ra, who was both male and female (as the one All-Parent). The human soul was
preceded by the elemental forces of external nature which were typified in a tradition that is universal.
The soul that followed these as human was then born of blood, at first of Mother-blood, the blood of Isis,
which was followed by a creation from the Father-blood. In the Babylonian legend concerning the
generation of mankind attributed to Oannes by Berosos, the beginning is with hideous beings in the
abyss, which are described as human figures mixed with the shapes of beasts. "The person who was
supposed to have presided over them was a woman named Omoroca". This is the Great Mother who at
first was Mother-earth. "Belus came and cut the woman asunder", which in Totemism is the dividing of
the one woman, or the type in two. At the same time he destroyed the animals in the abyss. Thus the
pre-human period was succeeded by the Matriarchate and the two female Ungambikula, who in the
Arunta tradition cut and carved the rudimentary creatures into Totemic men and women. Then Belus the
deity "cut off his own head: upon which the other gods mixed the blood with the earth; and from thence
men were formed". Thus the source of life, or a soul of blood was changed from the female to the male
deity who in the Egyptian theology is Atum-Ra, or Tum, the image of created man, or of man who was
created from the soul of blood that is at first female and afterwards was fathered on the male. This
creation of man or Tum is represented in the "Book of the Dead " (ch. xvii.). The God, as Father, takes
the Mother's place; the Matriarchate terminates in the mythology of Egypt. Tum is described as giving
birth to Hu and Sa, as the children of Him who now unites the Father with the Mother as divinity in one
person.[Page 90] Hu denotes matter, Sa (or Ka) signifies spirit. This creation, then, is from blood and spirit;
"the double primitive essence" first assigned to Ptah. The change from the Mother-blood to the Fathersource
is the same in the Kamite legend as in the Semitic version, but the modus operandi was different.
Belus produces the blood by cutting off his own head, whereas in the Ritual Father Atum draws the blood
from the genetalia of a divine being who is both male and female blended in the formation of the Father-
Mother, from whom the soul of blood was now derivable. The drops of blood are described as issuing
from the person of Atum when he performed the rite of "sub-incision" or of mutilation on himself in the
generation now attributed to the solar deity, considered to be male as well as female, or, finally, male
instead of female. Thus the Arunta are still performing a blood-covenant in the rite of ariltha on the male
which is attributed to Atum-Ra in the Egyptian mythos and by which he demonstrates the parentage of
the children Hu and Sa, in the course of changing the descent from the Matriarchate to the Patriarchate.

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The primitive essence of human life was blood derived from the female source, with Nature herself for
the witness. In the later biology it was derived from the "double primitive essence" of Ptah that was
continued in Atum and his two children Hu and Sa. Thus the basis of being was shifted from the Motherblood
to that of blood and spirit assigned to the Fatherhood.

From the "cutting" of the male member now attributed to Atum-Ra we infer that the rite of circumcision
and of sub-incision was a mode of showing the derivation from the human father in supersession of the
Motherhood, and that in the Arunta double-cutting the figure of the female was added to the member of
the male. Nor is this suggestion without corroboration. In his ethnological studies, (page 180) Dr. Roth
explains that "in the Pitta-Pitta and cognate Boulia dialects the term Me-Ko ma-ro denotes "the man with
a Vulva" which shows that the oval slit was cut upon the penis as a figure of the female and a mode of
assuming the Motherhood. In the Hebrew Book of Genesis this carving of the female figure on the person
of the male — in the second creation – has been given the legendary form of cutting out the woman from
the body of the male. Adam is thus imaged in the likeness of the biune Parent. The foundation of Jewish
Monotheism was laid in the blood of the new covenant which followed the cult of the female. It is
noticeable that when the Jewish child is circumcised it is said of him that he is made to "enter into the
covenant of Abraham", that is of the Great Father in Israel. Moreover, the man who stands sponsor as
the godfather is called the Master of the Covenant. (Godwyn, Moses and Aaron, page 216.) This may
possibly explain the re-circumcising of the children of Israel. If, as the history asserts, they dedicated to
the female in the earlier time and were afterwards circumcised in a covenant made with the deity as God
the father, re-circumcising would be a means of denoting a change in the rite, when the people were
circumcised on the Hill of Foreskins."And this is the cause why Joshua did circumcise" Joshua, ch. v.,
2,4). The two covenants would thus tally with the two forms of the ceremony performed in first
circumcision by the Arunta and in sub-incision, which is re-circumcising in [Page 91] the rites of the same
people. Thus, there were two covenants, one sealed in the blood of the female, one in the blood of the
male, and both were applied to the deity according to the sex.

This mode of affiliation to the male deity is likewise obvious in the legend of the Guatemalans, who
besought the Quiché God Tohil to favour them with the element of fire. This he gave them on condition
that they united themselves to him by drawing blood "beneath the girdle". (Bancroft, v., 547.) That is by
drawing it from the membrum virile in a covenant of blood. When they did this they received the fire from
Heaven which was derived direct from God the father as begetter who was Atum-Ra in Egypt, and God
the father in spirit as well as in flesh and blood.

The cause of a mystical relationship that was recognized between man and the animals may now be
traced on grounds less lofty than that of the supposed divine incarnations, and more natural than that of
an animistic interfusing which led to a confusion of identity and personality. The animals were first
recognized as powers in themselves, but they were also adopted as the living visible symbols of
elemental powers that were superior to the human as a means of representing natural phenomena. They
were further adopted into the human family as Totemic types with religious rites that gave them all the
sanctity of the blood-covenant and made them typically of one flesh with the human brothers. Thus they
were doubly adopted; and this led to their becoming later living fetishes as the naturalized
representatives of superhuman powers, though not as the direct object of human worship. The life-tie
assumed between Totemic man and the Totemic animal or zootype was consciously assumed, and we
can perceive by what process and on what ground the assumption was made. The zootype being
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enter into a brotherhood of blood. That is, the men who were not born of the same mother, or of two
sisters, could extend the natural tie of blood by a typical rite to others who were born of different mothers.
In this way, the larger kin, clan, or tribe was formed on the basis of brotherhood under some Totemic
sign. Now if the animal becomes of kin to the human brother by virtue of a covenant intentionally made in
the blood of both, that proves the kinship did not exist before. The relationship did not spring from any
root in nature, or any false belief, but was ordained for the purpose, and is consequently limited to the
particular beast and brotherhood. The bull is only kinsman to those whom he serves as a Totem, an
image of the ancestor and a type of the fraternity. So is it with all the other zootypes which had been
employed from before the time when the individual fatherhood was known. There is no necessary
confusion of identity. If men had abstained from eating the animals on the ground of kinship and
intercommunion of nature, because of a confusion or identification of themselves with the beasts, they
ought to have abstained from eating any, whereas they ate them all in turn, exceptions being made solely
on the artificial ground of the Totemic motherhood or brotherhood. The beast only became of the "same
flesh" with the particular family because it had been adopted as their Totem, ancestral animal, or fosterbrother
of the blood-covenant, and [Page 92] not on account of any belief that they descended from this or
the other non-human parent with a different progenitor for every separate group. Even in the human
relationship the being "of one flesh" shows that the system represents a later extension of the same
family that first derived from one mother, the mode of extension being by the blending of blood, the rebirth,
the drinking of the covenant, and eating of the fetish. But there was nothing promiscuous in this
arrangement, which had been made on purpose to avoid promiscuity. They did eat, and did not tolerate
being eaten by, each other's Totems. The relationship of men with beasts was most deliberately adopted,
and the partnership was held with the strictest regard to the law of limited liability. Thus the bloodbrotherhood
with the beasts was not based on any belief that they were on a level with the human being,
nor on any mental confusion respecting their oneness of nature. At least it was not that which first
rendered the animals tabu, or made them sacred to men.

The typical character of the Totemic animal was continued in various ways; putting on the skin was a
mode of assimilating the wearers to the powers beyond the beast, the superhuman forces which the
animals represented in visible symbolry. Hence on going to battle they wore the skins and acted the rôle
of the animals, birds, and reptiles, as their link of alliance with the superhuman nature-powers that were
over all. In like manner the God Shu, the warrior of the gods, the Egyptian Mars, does battle whilst
wearing the superhuman power of the Lioness on his head - and the moon-god Taht-Aan, is clothed with
the power of the great Ape, the ideograph of superhuman rage, when he fights against the demons of
darkness by night on behalf of the suffering Solar God. The mage or medicine-man was wrapped up in
the skin of the Totemic beast for the purpose of communing with the spirits of the dead. Thus the trance,
the transformer, and the transformation, the beast, the nature-power, and the human ghost, got mixed up
together. Such being the fact, it is easy to identify the foundation of the faith or ignorant belief that the
medicine-men had everywhere the power of transforming into wolves, hyenas, or tigers themselves; and
that belief would cause the fear lest they should apply this power of metamorphosis to others, and
ultimately create a belief in their power to transform human beings into animal shapes. The only veritable
power of metamorphosis possessed by the ancient medicine-men or mages, the witches or wizards, was
that of inducing the condition of trance either in others or in themselves. This was and is a fact in Nature
with which the primitive races were profoundly well acquainted. But those who are ignorant of such
phenomena will be apt to mistake a surface appearance for the underlying reality, and must find it
difficult, if not impossible, to distinguish between the true cause and a false belief. In the mysteries they
changed place and shape and nature with the beasts of prey. They masked themselves in the skins of
animals, reptiles, and birds, and sat at feast in those forms to devour the sacrifice when the Totemic
animal was slain for the Eucharistic rite. In that way they transformed and were said to change

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themselves into wolves or tigers, bears or crocodiles, to partake of this most primitive rite of
transubstantiation. For it did [Page 93] become a religious ceremony and a mode of entering into alliance
and communion with the powers first apprehended as superhuman. When the ghastly, grim reality had
passed into the legendary phase we are told, as Plato tells us in the Republic, that those who ate of the
human sacrifices offered to the Wolf were transformed into wolves. Herodotus likewise relates that the
Neurian wizards changed themselves into wolves for a few days once a year. First, the men who ate the
flesh of the Beast had changed themselves into wolves to eat it, according to the mode of masking. Next
it was said that by eating human flesh men would become Were-wolves, and lastly we have the Werewolf
as a man who is supposed to turn into the wolf on purpose to devour human flesh. Such are the
tricks of typology, based on the primitive simplicity and the agnostic misinterpretation of later times when
the mythos passes into the fable which deposits these types of the were-wolf, the mermaid, the
cockatrice, the serpent-woman, the vampire, or the ghoul. In the latest phase of this transformation and
transubstantiation it is the flesh of a supposed historical personage that is eaten and his blood that is
drunk with the view of effecting a transformation into Horus or the Christ. It was a masquerade; but the
men beneath the masks originally knew that they were acting in characters which they themselves had
created. They wore skins in a typical transformation; they clothed or tattooed themselves with the signs
of superhuman powers for a definite purpose, and not because they were returning to the condition of
beasts from which they came, or expected to be saved by doing so. The masking and metamorphosis
were but modes of the mysteries which included the mystery of Trance. This primitive drama is not yet
played out. The rites and doctrines are also to be identified at times as survivals in religious ritual. A
startling illustration may be seen in a collection of English hymns (1754), where these lines occur:-
"What greater glory could there be
Than to be clothed with God ?
He drew His skin upon my skin,
His blood upon my blood".

The skin is likewise assumed by the Manes as their Totem in the other life, different ideas being
expressed by different kinds of skin. In the Ritual (ch. 145, 31) the speaker who has just been baptized
and anointed in process of regeneration when he transforms into the likeness of Horus the adult says he
has the skin of a Cat for his badge. The cat being a seer in the dark, the skin shows that he is no longer
as the sightless Horus, but is the Horus with the second sight or beatific vision. With the Red Indians the
skin of the Totemic animal is placed at the side of a man who is dead or dying. It has also been stuffed at
times and hung above the grave. The sign is the same for the dead man as for the dead animal. In each
instance the skin means renewal, repetition, resurrection for another life. It has been a common custom
for the dead to be buried in the skin of an animal, or in shoes or boots made from the skin of an animal.
When Field-Marshal the Duke of Wellington was buried in St. Paul's Cathedral his boots were taken with
him to the tomb, and in a sense he was buried in the skin. The significance of the skin is everywhere the
[Page 94] same. The slipper thrown after the newly-wedded has the same meaning. Leather is made from
the skin that denotes a renewal of life, and the act expresses the desire for the couple to be blest with
children. We have seen that the skin was equivalent to the animal as a type of renewal. This may afford
us a clue to the custom of swearing oaths in making covenants on the skin, which would be like swearing
by the future life, the hope of immortality, or "by the eternal God". The earliest masks were formed of the
head and skin of the Totemic zootype. They also represented the invisible powers and finally became the
heads of goddesses and gods. Masks were assumed when deities or spirits were represented in the
mysteries. Thus, when a mask is put on by the lnoit girl at the time of her first menstrualia it denotes the
presence of the Nature-power that reveals itself in this particular way as one of the mysteries of Nature.

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The masks that were worn in certain mysteries were derived from the Totemic zootypes, not from the
human face. Hence their super-human ugliness at times. These masks were used as portraits of the
powers beyond the Totem, and in the lnoit mysteries, when the controlling spirit of a Shaman was
consulted, it was customary for the mask which represented the particular power invoked to be laid upon
the Shaman's face, and this mask was the skin of a victim that moment killed. (Réclus, Primitive Folk,
Eng. Tr., page 87.) A tribe of the hill-men near Darjeeling, in India, still retain the huge and hideous masks
that represent the powers of Nature. These are worn on the heads of priests when performing their
elaborate religious rites. One of these images the god who looks after their spears and helps to drive
them home. Which shows the character of the masks as effigies of the Nature-powers is not forgotten.
(Paragraph and picture in the London Daily Mail, Nov. 20, 1896.) We have seen that the change made by
the young girl into an animal at puberty was an origin of wearing the mask. This we assume to have been
primary. Next, the practice was continued in Matriarchal Totemism. Then the customs of cutting in subincision,
of wearing the skin, and of becoming the Totemic beast, are applied to the male in the later
mysteries of young-man-making.

The Totemic mysteries survived as eschatological in the Osirian, religion. For example, when Horus the
child, who was born of the Mother only, under the divine Matriarchate, makes his transformation into
Horus the adult, who rises from the dead in Amenta, it is in the character of the Anointed Son of the
Father. Anointing had then become the mode of showing the Glory of the Father in the person of the Son.
This was imaged with the holy oil upon the face of Horus. He who had been Horus the mortal in the flesh,
is now Horus in spirit personalized and established as the Anointed Son. The typical Anointed originated
as the youth who was made a man of at the period of puberty, at which time the Mother's child assumed
the likeness of the father at the time of his Totemic rebirth. The boy who was initiated into the mysteries
of the Australian Blacks was equally made the Anointed in however primitive a fashion. When his
probation terminated, and the stringent rules of his novitiate- were relaxed, he was rubbed by an old man
with fat that was taken from the Totemic animal which was previously forbidden food. He [Page 95] was
not permitted to eat the female of any animal, nor the emu, that primordial Mother-Totem, and he
becomes a free man by having the fat of the animal smeared over his face. In fact he is made a figure of
the Anointed. The Kurnai youth was made a free man of when anointed with fat. With the Adamanese the
bodies of the initiates are smeared over with the melted fat of pork and turtle in the ceremony of freeman-
making. (E. H. Man, Aboriginal Inhabitants of the Andaman Islands, page 62.) The boy was
anointed when he made his change into the adult. Horus was anointed when he transformed from the
mortal Horus to the Horus in spirit who rose again from the dead. And this anointing is still practised it.
the extreme unction of the Roman Catholic rite that is administered when the dying are about to pass into
the future life. This again correlates with, and is a survival of, the aboriginal custom of placing a lump of
fat in the mouth of the dead, by which act they were made into a form of the Anointed preparatory to their
resurrection. The mummies exhumed at Deir el-Bahari show that the faces had been painted and
anointed for burial. "The thick coats of colour which they still bear are composed of ochre, carmine (or
pounded brick) and anima! fat" (Maspero, Dawn of Civilisation, English Translation, page 54, note 5.)
These are also forms of the Anointed One, who was made so by extreme unction more primitively
applied to Osiris the Karast-Mummy.

Ortho, I adore your nuked passion to study and always wondered of a touch of the human origins in your threads. Gerald Massey point of view, accepted in hell explains it.

Massey was a believer in spiritual evolution; he claimed that Darwin's theory of evolution was incomplete without spiritualism:

The theory contains only one half the explanation of man's origins and needs spiritualism to carry it through and complete it. For while this ascent on the physical side has been progressing through myraids of ages, the Divine descent has also been going on – man being spiritually an incarnation from the Divine as well as a human development from the animal creation. The cause of the development is spiritual. Mr. Darwin's theory does not in the least militate against ours – we think it necessitates it; he simply does not deal with our side of the subject. He can not go lower than the dust of the earth for the matter of life; and for us, the main interest of our origin must lie in the spiritual domain.

http://freethoughtnation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=3092

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he accepted Darvin's theory of evolution and tried to add a touch of spiritualism. Something new profound druid zeitgeist. He was atheist poet.

dont fall under Kali

Thank-you devakas. I am not endorsing Gerald Massey. I am merely attempting to add an Egyptological Component to my Political and Theological Science-Fiction. This should make watching all ten seasons of 'Stargate SG-1' a helluva lot more interesting!! This thread is Sirius Entertainment -- which might contain some aspects of truth. Unfortunately, I'm not sure what those aspects might be.

orthodoxymoron wrote:I have tried to be both friend and foe of several points of view -- and I have engaged in massive amounts of speculation and fantasy -- as you well know -- but I don't represent any of it as being 'The Truth'. I am very interested in 'The Church' and 'The Truth' -- yet I no longer attend church -- and I am often quite critical of 'The Truth' and 'The Church'. I am just the opposite of a highly-polished super-salesman for Jesus. I think we need to keep considering everything, from all angles, all the time -- and not be afraid to step on toes -- even our own. Consider this lecture -- one more time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LM9yezr4rBM&feature=player_embedded What do you think?? Could it be true?? Could the basic message of the 1928 'Book of Common Prayer' be true -- regardless of the source -- and regardless of the historicity of the major players???

Hi Oxy,

I watched it again because I love Bill's awesome sense of humor.. He really works the imagination in descript. He had me laughing on more than 3 occasions... Is it truth? It certainly seems more "logical" to me than the thought of us "bowing" down to some God begging to him on our knees to save us.. I mean, would we do that to our children? Have them worship us as their God? In their minds could we not at some moment of their life be considered their God? Anyway, I don't like to come to solid "conclusion" on anything unless I personally experience to some degree "truth" to the effect... I do know there are aliens because I had an experience 22 years ago - that be for another time. Are they good or bad? Maybe some or both good and bad.. What did this particular alien want with me? This may be hard to swallow for some.. but the truth is, "my truth" is that it wanted to "burn my soul".. How you interpret that I shall leave to the individual..

Now, on another note, Bill Donahue talks about Sagittarius A in one of his videos.. he mentions that Sagittarius A is sucking our galaxy into its galaxy.. What the repercussions are of that I really don't know.. I have thrown the idea up into the cosmos to potentially give me some answers through the dream state... I honor my dreaming world very much.. as I travel out of my body many times and have actually found real truth in some of my "askings"... I once dated a man who told me he had 2 boys... well there were things about him that needed clarity and so I asked for answers during my sleeping state.. sorry if I shared this story already.. and I saw him with 3 children.. 2 boys and a girl.. well he confirmed what I saw and he said that "no-one gets to his Daughter".. I suppose he was being protective of her, from what I do not know.. still, a lie is a lie and that was the end of him...

orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you devakas. I am not endorsing Gerald Massey.

I am endorsing Gerald Massey.

Well then, I'll have to pay closer attention to Gerald Massey -- but I'm simply overwhelmed by all that is available on the internet and in the bookstores. I respect the supernatural and spiritual experiences of others -- yet I shy away from such things -- and I only deal with them when they come knocking on my door -- and they do come knocking -- uninvited. Perhaps I should just watch vintage auto-racing, and let all of you figure everything out. Actually, I think some of you already know the dark secrets of life, the universe, and everything -- and I think that you're just playing games with me -- for whatever reasons. Anyway, some of you might wish to watch these races with me!! A while ago, when I joked about God driving a Race-Car, I was really being somewhat serious. Why shouldn't God drive Race-Cars??? Wouldn't you like to have a God who drives Race-Cars??? Why does God always have to sit on a damn Throne??? What if God is sick and tired of Religion??? What if God is sick and tired of the BS? What if God doesn't go to church??? What if Satan goes to church??? I've recently been thinking in terms of Responsibility-Based -- International, Interplanetary, and Intergalactic -- Moral, Civil, Religious, and Governmental Law -- in Canon-Law Format. I'm sorry if I am overly repetitious and grandiose -- but I am attempting to avoid confusion, absurdity, enslavement, and extermination. Think Galactically -- Act Globally. Solar System Law and Governance which disregards the Ancient and Traditional Universal Law and Government of God -- is probably doomed to failure. How do we properly harmonize Humanity with Divinity?? I should stop -- and just watch the Race-Cars. Go with God!! Tangentially and Integrally -- d(x) / de heck with it. Perhaps I need to change formulas -- or maybe I just need to change gears. Maria changed Gods. Really. Choose your God(s) wisely. http://www.amazon.com/I-Changed-Gods/dp/B003N4F9YW Siriusly, can someone tell me who I am, and what I'm supposed to be doing??? I'm very tired of this stupid game. I just seem to keep making things worse for myself -- but wait a minute -- How Could Things Be Any Worse??? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYkbqzWVHZI Will things work out well for All-Concerned -- or have things digressed way past the Point of No Return??? Have I been too irreverent?? Have I been too gullible?? Should I play Soft-Ball?? Should I play Hard-Ball?? Should I Declare War?? Are We Already at War?? As of this moment, I frankly don't give a damn. Do you?? If so, then tell me why, in great detail. Come, let us reason together. I actually care and don't care -- simultaneously -- which might be the way it has to be. Think about it. BTW -- I think I might re-read 'Jesus the Magician' by Morton Smith -- just to keep me on my toes. There should probably be a dynamic-equilibrium of faith and doubt -- always. "Don't be frightened. I mean no harm. I am of faith and doubt -- always".

orthodoxymoron wrote:It's becoming a pattern with me. I like to watch(or listen to) groupings of longer videos and recordings regarding a particular subject. This thread is regarding who we are...or supposedly are. I'm very confused and conflicted concerning this very basic subject. Here are several videos for your viewing pleasure. Please watch them more than once...if you can. There is so much material to absorb. I'm finding these videos to be quite enlightening and therapeutic...in an upsetting sort of way...if that makes sense. We live in a very strange universe. Nothing is neat and tidy.

1. Angelika Whitecliff http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2243728372708503124

2. Lloyd Pye http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1285345463618889531

3. Michael Cremo (French introduction and English Lecture): http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2895087993533041198&hl=en

4. A'shayana Deane (aka Anna Hayes): http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/37108/Contactee_Anna_Hayes___Earth_History_Part_1/

5. Ralph Ellis
A. http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/rellis.htm
B. http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/rellis2.htm

6. Alex Collier http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-616495947939806971

7. Jonathan Gray YouTube - Hidden Discoveries Pt.1

I guess there is security and solace in being part of a group...even a really screwed-up group. We're all in this together...it takes all kinds...and the show must go on.
But why?

Adding to your links Oxy,


Pope Benedict XVI is primarily the head of a church with over 1.8 billion members in every part of the world. But he is also a temporal sovereign. The territory over which he has direct rule, the Vatican City State, may be miniscule, but his political reach and influence is wide-ranging, deep-rooted and incalculable

Wherever he goes, the Pope is received as a Head of State. He is represented diplomatically in countries where Roman Catholicism is only a minority faith.

The reality of this all too human institution, however, is that a pope’s success can only really be measured by his political acumen, not his intrinsic holiness. You have only to consider Pope John XXIII or Blessed Pope John Paul II – both brilliant politicians – to recognise the truth of this.

For centuries, there is unimpeachable historical evidence to show that the Vatican has been a hive of intrigue, political jockeying for position and corruption. Murder, cruelty, hypocrisy, dishonesty and sexual depravity, to name but a few misdeeds, among supposedly morally infallible popes have not been unknown. This is after all an institution not made in heaven, and it is subject to all the weaknesses and vicissitudes to which man is prey.

This is why what is currently going on in the Vatican is of such interest to us as an ostensibly Catholic country now at last with a Cardinal of our own – albeit one who is too old to vote in the next Conclave of Cardinals (the assembly of cardinals that will elect the next pope), whenever that happens. Given that, according to a recently leaked document, the Cardinal Archbishop of Palermo has said that the 85-year-old Benedict will be dead by November this year, recent events are of ever-growing interest to the Faithful in Malta who will no doubt pack St Peter’s Square in Rome to await the first puff of white smoke to celebrate the election of a new pope.

The current saga started almost farcically with Pope Benedict’s butler (shades of what the butler saw) being placed in a 16-foot by 16-foot cell, accused of leaking a host of confidential letters to a journalist, who subsequently broke the story of intrigue, treachery and skulduggery. The papal butler’s incarceration was followed the next day by the firing of the head of the Vatican Bank, Mr Gotti Tedeschi, by the pope’s Secretary of State, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone. Mr Tedeschi’s dismissal was accompanied by a scathing statement accusing him of failing to do his job efficiently.

An Italian police investigation has fanned fears of more scandalous revelations still to come. In the manner of Roberto Calvi, the prominent Italian banker found hanging from Waterloo Bridge in London in mysterious circumstances in the 1980s, Mr Tedeschi has since been quoted as saying that he fears for his life.

Behind the row with Mr Tedeschi and the jailing of the pope’s butler lies an intense, no-holds-barred power struggle to determine the nature of the next papacy. It is a battle being waged in and around the Vatican’s financial institutions, for herein power lies. The Institute for Works of Religion as the Vatican Bank is quaintly known, is no stranger to controversy as it was accused in the 1980s of involvement in financial chicanery, including the death of Roberto Calvi. Today, it is seeking to clear its name of involvement in money-laundering. According to La Repubblica, a draft Council of Europe report thankfully gives the Vatican a clean bill of health, albeit with eight out of 49 objections (more than 10 objections would have led to a risk of black-listing by the international body that polices banks).

It appears that Mr Tedeschi had opposed a new law, backed by Cardinal Bertone, that increased the Secretary of State’s powers at the expense of the existing, independent oversight body. The change fitted a wider pattern of the acquisition of ever greater influence by Cardinal Bertone since his return to the Vatican six years ago. The 77-year-old Cardinal was the pope’s right-hand man when the then Cardinal Ratzinger headed the department on the enforcement of doctrinal orthodoxy. He is not a true Vatican insider and his underlings in the Secretary of State’s office – like most bureaucrats in other diplomatic elites – resent the punchy, soccer-loving former archbishop for his lack of diplomatic experience.

Intrigue is a staple diet in the Vatican as it is in any other bureaucratic institution where office politics play an inevitable role. What makes this conflict special, however, is Cardinal Bertone’s repeated efforts to wrest the levers of financial control from others. The Cardinal’s enemies say that this is a grab for the patronage that goes with them. Last year he tried to make the Vatican Bank rescue a debt-ridden hospital and Mr Tedeschi’s refusal to do so presaged their latest row. The leaked papal letters also show that Cardinal Bertone tried unsuccessfully to bluff the then Archbishop of Milan into resigning a post that controls the city’s Catholic University.

To strengthen his position further, Cardinal Bertone has promoted three close associates and former subordinates from his north-west Italy region to positions in charge of the Vatican’s treasury, the Vatican’s central bank and as governor of the Vatican City State, the Holy See’s temporal power-base which also carries great financial clout. All three men were promoted to Cardinal in February. These promotions have intensified suspicion among Cardinal Bertone’s critics that he is trying to pack the Conclave that will elect the next pope with his own people.

However, for a Secretary of State to ascend to the throne of St Peter is rare, the only example in the last 350 years being Pius XII in 1939. Whatever his ambitions, Cardinal Bertone is proving a divisive figure. Many had hoped that as a relative outsider to Vatican politics, he would bring transparency, accountability and innovation to a highly centralised bureaucratic machine which was last reformed 45 years ago. The earlier years of Pope Benedict’s papacy saw a succession of diplomatic gaffes from clerical child sex abuse to the mishandling of contraception, homosexuality and AIDS, which many Vatican officials blamed on his inexperience. Little appears to have improved.

As long as Cardinal Bertone remains Secretary of State, the infighting in the Vatican seems likely to continue, and the outside world’s concerns about its administration and governance will remain. The papacy is an institution of great antiquity, history, riches and splendour. It commands admiration even when there is no specific allegiance. It is an institution which appeals to the imagination and our collective sense of history.

But the papacy also has a need to keep its traditions alive by a judicious openness to change. In this, the papacy has a hard task, since it rests ultimately upon theological doctrines that are facing growing challenges. The papacy has yet to adapt to modern mores, and this will undoubtedly have to await the arrival of Pope Benedict XVI’s successor. As this latest saga shows manoeuvering for that event is well under way.

http://www.independent.com.mt/news.asp?newsitemid=147774

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Canonum De Lex Ecclesium

Canons of Ecclesiastical Law
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I. Introductory provisions

1.1 Introductory Provisions
Article 1 - Canons of Ecclesiastical Law

i. By Right, Power and Authority of Article 93 of Pactum De Singularis Caelum, also known as the Covenant of One Heaven these pronouncements of law known collectively as Canonum De Lex Ecclesium and also known as the Canons of Ecclesiastical Law are hereby promulgated in the original form of Ucadian Language; and

ii. The Canonum De Lex Ecclesium represents the primary, one and only true first canon of Ecclesiastical Law. Excluding the Covenant of One Heaven, all other laws, claims and agreements claiming standards of Ecclesiastical Law shall be secondary and inferior to the Canonum De Lex Ecclesium ab initio (from the beginning); and

iii. These Canons of Ecclesiastical Law may be taken in official original document form and spoken form to represent one (1) complete set of the twenty-two (22) Canons of law known collectively as Corpus Juris Divini Canonum, also known as Living Body of Divine Canon Law and the highest of all Original Law; and

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Thank-you Aquaries1111. I glanced at your posts -- and now I'm going to take a closer look. As you know, I am attempting to model a reformed Roman Empire and Church aka a Vatican-Based United States of the Solar System -- with a PhD -- non-bloodline -- King and Queen (serving 10-20 year terms). This would piss everyone off -- yet I think it might be very important to properly think this through. I am NOT Pro-Catholic or Anti-Catholic. I am just realistically trying to think about how this solar system REALLY works -- so as to take the best next steps for humanity and pre-humanity. The books by Malachi Martin are most enlightening. I especially liked 'The Keys of This Blood'. Consider reading 'In God's Name', 'Murder in the Vatican', 'The Wine of Roman Babylon', 'The Vatican Assassins', and 'The Great Controversy' -- for UNDERSTANDING rather than CONDEMNATION. I suspect that the Roman Empire and Church might extend all the way to Orion -- as a truly Universal Church -- and possibly as a Pre-Human Theocracy. I face this subject with massive doses of fear and trembling. I'm really trying to back-off. I think I've gotten into this thing way over my head -- and I am quite disoriented and anguished. Imagine accidentally walking into the Sistine Chapel -- interrupting a very important meeting -- and having hunreds of Cardinals and Jesuits glaring at you!!! That's what I feel like. There's a time and place for everything -- and I think I might need to drink a big cup of -- well, you know...

What are Reasonable Limits to Freedom?? I was somewhat close to a huge theological controversy where a paper was presented, titled 'Where Academic Freedom Ends'. I don't think our civilization should be a Free-For-All -- or One Big and Nasty Food-For-Thought Fight. I don't have a problem with the internet being monitored -- or with seeking the signatures of Federal Judges -- to further investigate suspicious and potentially dangerous activities -- but I keep getting the sinking-feeling that there is a Rogue and Lawless Element Within the Secret Government -- which might be much more dangerous than 99% of those who are on lists [who are (or will be) targeted with nefarious governmental activities and unethical invasions of privacy]. This is tricky territory -- and I support a strong worldwide security apparatus -- which is properly governed, regulated, and watched. No Percy's Please. Finally, the intelligence agencies of the world should prevent fires, extinguish fires -- and never, ever start fires or fan the flames. Nuff Said.

This whole thing is stupid. Trying to make things make sense really makes no sense in this solar system. Perhaps I should tell people to just focus on fame, fortune, power, and pleasure -- because that's what seems to rank most highly in this solar system. Trying to help everyone everywhere seems to just get one placed on multiple lists of those who are considered to be grave threats to the way things are. The Show Must Go On --- regardless of how stupid that show might be. I am profoundly disillusioned by both Humanity and Divinity. I seem to be in the process of withdrawing from just about everyone and everything. My idealism has been badly shattered. I've tried to discontinue this exercise in futility -- over and over and over again -- without success -- but perhaps this time I will finally let go of this tempest in a teapot -- and do something really important -- like make lots of money -- and live a more respectable life -- whatever the hell that means. I hope you all find who and what you are looking for -- and I sincerely hope that no one is disappointed. Namaste and Godspeed.

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Thank-you Aquaries1111. As you probably know, I am toying with the hypothesis of an Ancient Conflict of the Ages Involving Archangelic Queens of Heaven in a Great Controversy Between Christ and Satan. I am tentatively attempting to place the 1788 Federalist Papers, the 1898 Desire of Ages, the 1928 Book of Common Prayer, the 1962 Missal, Sacred Classical Music, Advanced Technology, and Genetic Engineering -- in the Context of Ancient Babylon, Egypt, Israel, Greece, and Rome -- from the Perspective of an Environment Such as St. Ouen in France. Imagine St. Ouen as the location where a King and Queen of the United States of the Solar System might reign!! It takes all kinds. Right? Please say 'Yes'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQdyTsD1QaQ&feature=related

Human Beings appear to be a slave race languishing on an isolated planet in a small galaxy. As such, the human race was once a source of labor for an extraterrestrial civilization and still remains a possession today. To keep control over its possession and to maintain Earth as something of a prison, that other civilization has bred never-ending conflict between human beings, has promoted human spiritual decay, and has erected on Earth conditions of unremitting physical hardship. This situation has existed for thousands of years, and it continues today. -- 'The Gods of Eden' by William Bramley (pg. 34)

Regardless of whether this is true, or not -- what conditions pre-existed the 'creation' of the Human-Being?? What conditions have existed beyond Earth -- for billions of years -- right up to this very day?? Was the slave-thing a 'cover' to keep the Human-Race from being exterminated?? Be careful NOT to crucify those who might have kept Humanity alive -- under the most hostile and extenuating circumstances. Do your research very, very carefully. Don't do anything which you might later regret. But most of you don't really give a damn about anyone other than yourselves -- do you??? (I am not speaking particularly to Forum Members. I am speaking to those who I think might be monitoring this site. I have become a bit cynical regarding finding anyone in this galaxy who can deeply and rationally discuss my particular interests and concerns -- in an unbiased and fair manner. Everyone seems to be compromised, programmed, infiltrated, subverted, corrupted, etc, etc. Some of the 'good-guys' might turn out to be 'bad-guys' -- and some of the 'bad-guys' might turn out to be 'good-guys'. I think of nearly everyone as being a mixture of good and evil -- even various and sundry deities. I suspect that the real owner(s) of Earth and the Solar System might not be in possession of what is rightfully theirs. I suspect an ancient theft and hijacking of this entire Solar System -- but I can't prove it. I suspect a One Solar System government -- going back thousands (or millions) of years -- but I can't prove it. Consider:

1. Responsibility-Based Moral-Law. (Ethical-System)

2. Responsibility-Based Civil-Law. (Legal-System)

3. Responsibility-Based Ceremonial-Law. (Liturgical-System)

4. Responsibility-Based Constitutional-Law. (Governmental-System)

How might historical-continuity and universal-applicability be maximized in all of the above?? This might be a lot more important than it might appear to a casual observer. What if a constitution consisting of all of the above were drafted in a Canon-Law Format?? What if all of the above were limited to a thousand points of light?? Imagine crash-landing on a vacant distant planet -- with just you and a very attractive member of the opposite-sex -- facing the prospect of beginning a brand-new civilization!! Think about it...

At some point, there might be very few secrets in the solar system. The various scientific programs might be subject to public review in real-time -- all the time. However, the general public would have to become mature enough to not go nuts regarding every new radical scientific venture. There would probably have to be a rather high level of public tolerance in exchange for scientific openness. This would also imply a high level of international and interplanetary cooperation -- with a decided lack of factional fighting, racism, and nationalism. This might be nearly impossible to achieve -- especially on a voluntary basis...

Spend some quality-time defining Satan, Lucifer, Jesus, Mary, and God. Seriously. Don't just write this stuff off as being religious mumbo-jumbo. I have my theories -- but I don't feel comfortable revealing them. I've done some speculation previously -- but I have fine-tuned my ideas -- and they are quite startling -- to say the least...

I have no doubt that there are some very sick and very powerful people (and other than people) in this solar system. I continue to worry about cornered bad-guys, violent regime changes, poison pills, scorched-earth policies, etc, etc, etc. Things might get VERY ugly. Someone once told me that "Bombs Were Good -- But That Nukes Were Bad". They also hinted at a planned financial collapse -- solar abnormalities -- and some sort of world-wide devastation from the skies. They didn't say a lot -- and I didn't ask a lot of questions. Another individual hinted-at suitcase-nukes. It was very strange. I continue to seek peaceful solutions. Nuff said...

I understand that a HUGE organization cannot change all the time -- and hold the operation together -- so to speak. I understand the value of tradition and continuity -- yet something seems very wrong to me -- regarding how the church conducts business -- century after century. And BTW -- I don't have a problem with looking at the church as a BIG business. In fact, a United States of the Solar System should include a proper business-model which includes the church -- even though this thought might anger a lot of people. What I have a problem with is CORRUPTION AND A GENERAL LACK OF ETHICS. I guess I will continue to think about the Teachings Attributed to Jesus -- and the U.S. Constitution -- without acting like 'Jesus is My Buddy -- and I'm a Yankee Doodle Dandy!!!' Hence, I am attempting to think about all of my radical ideas within the Context of the City-States, the United Nations, and the Moon. Many of us were programmed with the Bible as being an 'Infallible Given' -- rather than simply being a highly significant set of clues. Also, a lot of people don't read the Bible from cover to cover -- and they don't REALLY think about what they're reading. What the preacher shouts from the pulpit (or what the church teaches) trumps just about everything else -- whether it makes sense, or not.

Which group of people most closely adheres to every word of the Old-Testament? Does anyone conduct a sacrificial sanctuary-service in a replica of Solomon's Temple? Does anyone obey each and every command uttered by God in the Old-Testament? Does anyone defend all of the atrocities described in the Old-Testament? Christians have many schemes for getting out of all of this -- but how many Christians strictly obey the Teachings of Jesus? The Atheists and Agnostics mostly say 'to heck with all of this madness!' How shall we then live? What shall we believe about life, the universe, and everything? Is there a light at the end of the tunnel in a search for a useable future? If so, might that light be an oncoming magneto-leviton train??? What does it really mean to 'Obey God'?? What is Orthodoxy in Modernity?? These are EXTREMELY important questions. How readest thou??? The Seventh-day Adventists have attempted to be 'Spiritual Israel' and the 'Heirs of the Reformation' -- but are they correct -- and have they succeeded??? I continue to lean toward 'The Desire of Ages' by Ellen White -- but I am very wary and conflicted by the rest of that which is connected with the SDA church. I like the 1928 'Book of Common Prayer' -- but I certainly do not embrace the Episcopal Church or the Anglican Communion -- any more than I embrace the SDA church. I completely enjoyed singing in the Evening and Morning Choirs at the Crystal Cathedral -- yet I concluded that this ministry was both a New Solution and a New Problem. It seemed to work on TV -- but did it work in Garden Grove or in copycat ministries?? Does ANYTHING really work -- once the novelty wears off?? I truly think that even being at the center of Solar System Governance would get old in a hurry. But despite everything -- 'The Show Must Go On' -- even though I often wonder 'why?'...

I'm sort of an Open and Ignorant Wannabe Megalomaniac. It's a nasty job -- but somebody's gotta do it!! I don't necessarily have a problem with the idea of dealing with ET on a daily basis -- but I certainly don't relish the idea of being one of ET's cows or pigs -- or as being owned or enslaved by ET. I continue to suspect an Orion-Sirius-Aldebaran-Atlantean-Babylonian-Egyptian-Grecian-Roman-British-American Empire -- and any lasting improvement to this solar system might be dependant upon a 'solution' which includes an idealistic version of this hypothetical empire. Just 'kicking ET out' might not be a long-term answer to our troubles. All I know, is that the History of Earth is NOT Nice -- to say the least. I might be overly paranoid -- but I continue to be VERY wary of the ET and UFO phenomenon -- and I will continue to passively look at all of this from a 'safe' distance. On the other hand -- talking to one who claimed to be an Ancient Egyptian Deity (who I will NOT name) -- for several months -- might count as a 'Close-Encounter'. One more thing. Imagine the Hybrid in 'Battlestar Galactica' speaking the words from the Gerald Massey book I am gradually posting!! End of Line.

What might it be like to have access to the REAL 'X-FILES' in the Vatican, the City of London, Washington DC, and the Dark-Side of the Moon???!!! I'm just playing games on this thread. How can I possibly know what's REALLY going on??? If I were exposed to the REAL TRUTH, I would probably degenerate from Neurotic to Psychotic very, very quickly. I have sometimes referred to Secret Mental Institutions for those who 'know too much' -- who couldn't handle the insanity -- and I really think these places exist. I think things are REALLY BAD in this solar system -- and perhaps throughout the universe. I understand Traditional Theology and Liturgy. I understand the more upbeat Mega-Church Phenomenon. I desire Upbeat Traditional Theology and Liturgy (with a contemporary twist) -- yet the REAL TRUTH of our situation seems to be VERY DARK. My wandering and rambling should NOT be interpreted as where I want things to end-up in twenty years. I'm more idealistic than you can imagine -- yet I think it exceedingly important to FACE REALITY -- and to consider ALL of the possibilities. I do NOT consider the 1928 'Book of Common Prayer' and the 1788 'Federalist Papers' to be the Grand Ideal of the Ages -- or the Last Word -- but I wish for a critical mass of thoughtful humans (and other than humans) to carefully and devotionally consider an integration of the two -- as a mental and spiritual excercise -- which might lead to lasting and satisfying political and religious solutions. I do NOT wish to kick sand in the faces of the Roman Catholics -- yet the phenomenon of the Roman Empire and Church is a mixture of Good and Evil -- Agony and Ecstasy -- which MUST be properly analyzed and managed. It might be the most significant component of human history -- whether we like it, or not. This is NOT fun and easy territory -- to say the least. People who don't think about all of this madness seem to be SO much happier than those who try to solve the solar system's problems. I seem to keep sinking lower and lower -- as I attempt to lift the human-race higher and higher. This is a thankless job -- but some of us have to do it -- or do we??? If it's not appreciated -- why do it???

I tend to think that living a disciplined life is the solution to a lot of problems. This discipline can involve work, play, and prayer -- regardless of the line of work, the games we play, or the gods we reverence. I like the concept of:

So, have the industrial and technological "advances" of the past 200 years made us safer and happier?? Is the world more beautiful and pristine than it was 200 years ago?? An elderly and frail person who I know quite well was recently pulled aside at an airport inspection point, and examined for explosive residue. No one else was pulled aside. This individual is a model citizen, who is constantly involved in doing good for others, and who probably has no more than three or four traffic tickets since the 1940's. They are as clean as clean can be -- EXCEPT that they talk to me regularly on the phone -- and I post radical concepts on the internet -- THEREFORE guilt by association. Who knows what I might do??? Who knows what those who know me might do???? Never can tell...

I am very apprehensive and uneasy regarding the subject of governance -- human or otherwise. I recognize the need for strong leadership and lack of confusion -- yet I also recognize the possibility that Good Gods Could Conceivably Go Bad for a Wide Variety of Reasons. I am NOT opposed to the concept of God -- despite some of my earlier posts on the internet. I was merely concerned that we might be following and worshipping False Gods in this particular solar system. Obedience to Righteous and Perfected Authority is Probably a Good Thing -- But Blind Obedience to Whoever is in Power is Probably a Bad Thing. Just Following Orders to Carry Out Torture, Theft, Terrorism, and Mass Murder is Probably a Bad Thing.

Siriusly, what if there were a Vatican-Based United States of the Solar System -- presided over by a Double-PhD King and Queen -- under the watchful eye of a Mostly Non-Interventionist God?? What if 5,000 PhD Representatives met daily in the Papal Audience Hall -- with the remaining 5,000 Representatives mostly located within the City of London, Washington DC, the United Nations, and the Moon??? Even if this wouldn't work, it's fun to think about -- isn't it??? Once again, the purpose of this thread is to Make All of Us THINK.

The Anna character (in "V") is quite ruthless and sinister -- but I often wonder 'how good is too good?' and 'how bad is too bad?' -- especially regarding solar system governance. You see, I'm really trying to understand why this solar system is not paradise -- and how it might be turned into paradise. I'm considering politics and religion as usual -- plus, I'm considering some rather radical alternatives -- and I think we should consider all of the possibilities, all the time, prior to arriving at important decisions. What do you think about this clip? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMUQ1kIsSYA&feature=related There are some aspects of the setting and protocol which I adore -- yet I find some of the simplistic repetition to be rather annoying. Also, sometimes when the Pope delivers a 'homily' -- it is read from visible sheets of paper -- without much expression or passion. I think the Vatican can do better than that. Sorry, but I am one Protestant who wishes for the Roman Catholic Church to improve, rather than being done away with. I will remain both a friend and an enemy of the church -- regardless of whether anyone likes it, or not. This video describes atrocities which must never be forgotten. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx8PdvOELvY I continue to wonder who has REALLY ruled the Roman Empire and Church throughout the centuries?? I continue to wonder if we live in a Reptilian Universe -- with this solar system being run by a Renegade Reptilian Faction -- who created Male and Female Human Physicality via Genetic Engineering -- to provide 'containers' for their Interdimensional Reptilian Souls -- and that this was a Universal Heresy???!!! Are we Fallen Angels? Whatever the case may be, modern communications has made keeping 'solar system secrets' much more difficult. I continue to think that most people wouldn't be fazed by my wild theories. Most either wouldn't believe the clearest evidence for my Reptilian Hypothesis -- or they wouldn't care. But some people would end-up in mental institutions -- or dead -- and this worries me greatly -- which is why I merely ramble and mumble on this little forum.

orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you A1. I'll watch the video this evening -- but first I need to attempt to deal with something which has bothered me for a long time. It involves a quotation from 'The Great Controversy' by E.G. White. You must understand that I treat her writings much differently than do most Adventists -- and I don't even see eye to eye with the SDA scholars. I accept and reject these writings simultaneously. I think people should read them in the right way -- and then simply think and do whatever makes sense. I don't consider these writings to be 'Another Bible'. Anyway, here is the quote from pages 566 and 567.

Many Protestants suppose that the Catholic religion is unattractive and that its worship is a dull, meaningless round of ceremony. Here they mistake. While Romanism is based upon deception, it is not a coarse and clumsy imposture. The religious service of the Roman Church is a most impressive ceremonial. Its gorgeous display and solemn rites fascinate the senses of the people and silence the voice of reason and of conscience. The eye is charmed. Magnificent churches, imposing processions, golden altars, jeweled shrines, choice paintings, and exquisite sculpture appeal to the love of beauty. The ear also is captivated. The music is unsurpassed. The rich notes of the deep-toned organ, blending with the melody of many voices as it swells through the lofty domes and pillared aisles of her grand cathedrals, cannot fail to impress the mind with awe and reverence. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMKg5cpYkLo&feature=relmfu

This outward splendor, pomp, and ceremony, that only mocks the longings of the sin-sick soul, is an evidence of inward corruption. The religion of Christ needs not such attractions to recommend it. In the light shining from the cross, true Christianity appears so pure and lovely that no external decorations can enhance its true worth. It is the beauty of holiness, a meek and quiet spirit, which is of value with God. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwrel&v=X4r9A-brsrg&NR=1

Brilliancy of style is not necessarily an index of pure, elevated thought. High conceptions of art, delicate refinement of taste, often exist in minds that are earthly and sensual. They are often employed by Satan to lead men to forget the necessities of the soul, to lose sight of the future, immortal life, to turn away from their infinite Helper, and to live for this world alone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wW9kApmW38&feature=related

A religion of externals is attractive to the unrenewed heart. The pomp and ceremony of the Catholic worship has a seductive, bewitching power, by which many are deceived; and they come to look upon the Roman Church as the very gate of heaven. None but those who have planted their feet firmly upon the foundation of truth, and whose hearts are renewed by the Spirit of God, are proof against her influence. Thousands who have not an experimental knowledge of Christ will be led to accept the forms of godliness without the power. Such a religion is just what the multitudes desire. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8A31YWR23U&feature=related

What do you think about that section?? I happen to adore the music, architecture, art, and panache of the the Roman Empire and the Roman Catholic Church. On the other hand, the history is quite harsh, nasty, corrupt, deceptive, and bloody -- to say the least -- so I am quite conflicted. Also, I think that Protestants are more doctrinally dependent upon Catholicism than they realize. Protestants never really wandered too far away from Mother Church -- and many of them are returning home. What do you think about my ideas concerning the 1788 'Federalist Papers', the 1875 Cavaille-Coll Designed Pipe-Organ http://www.amazon.com/Cavaille-Colls-Monumental-Organ-Project-Peters/dp/0739167286 , the 1898 'Desire of Ages', the 1928 'Book of Common Prayer', and the 1962 Missal -- within the context of the Vatican??? Wouldn't that just make 99% of the Earth population as mad as hell???!!! It's fun to think about -- but to actually do something like that would literally require an 'Act of God'. I don't even know if it would really work -- yet I think we must conduct these types of mental and spiritual excercises on a daily and ongoing basis. BTW -- I recently heard a FINE Roman Catholic organist play a couple of my favorite pieces on a VERY FINE Fisk Pipe-Organ!!

orthodoxymoron wrote:Woulda-Coulda-Shoulda: The greatest Organ that never was!, January 4, 2012 by Anthony L. Vallillo Jr.

This review is from: Cavaille-Coll's Monumental Organ Project for Saint Peter's, Rome: Bigger Than Them All (Hardcover)

If there is one place in Europe that I have spent more time in than Paris it is the Eternal City. Often have I wandered the incredible expanse of the world's largest church, and on occasion I have been there when the organ is playing. This has always been an elusive pleasure, since the organ in St. Peter's, although no doubt large by most standards, is painfully inadequate for the task it faces; that is, filling the world's largest liturgical volume with sound. In fact, although the effect can sometimes be ethereal, it usually sounds like a walkman playing in a concert hall! If only Cavaille-Coll had been given a shot at St. Peter's!

Much to my surprise, that had almost happened! It was some years ago when I discovered that C-C had actually drawn up plans for what would, at the time, have been the world's largest organ. The fascinating story of that most monumental "woulda-coulda-shoulda been" is told here by organ virtuoso and music historian Ron Ebrecht. Ron weaves history, culture, and even politics (yes, strange as it may seem this story is rife with politics and the 19th century version of political correctness!) into a well crafted narrative that is difficult to put down once you start. You will meet the many and fascinating personalities involved in the story, and you will wonder, as I have, at "what might have been" had this potential masterpiece actually come to fruition. More's the pity that it did not, but by all means let Ron tell the story -- he writes as well as he plays. Don't miss it!

This whole thread is a mental and spiritual excercise. I'd have to have that hypothetical 600 square-foot office-apartment in, around, or beneath the Vatican -- complete with a Cray and an Unlimited-Access Badge and truly be an insider for many years, to have even a fighting-chance of properly knowing what to do. I might attend week-long meetings without saying a word. This is fun to think about, but I suspect that the reality would not live up to expectations. Pipe-Dream Realities Are So Overrated. I like the idea of every church-member being a scholar and a musician. Imagine entire congregations musically participating in the Bach B-Minor Mass!!! I would NOT wish to see Indulgence-Sale Fund-Raising (Salvation4Sale) repeated in modernity -- and there are probably enough large and ornate churches with classical-architecture on Earth presently -- so we should probably simply maintain and enjoy the grand structures which presently exist. I realize that no building can duplicate or surpass the beauty of nature -- yet human expression in art, architecture, and music are of inestimable value. We should be able to have our cake, and eat it too, in this matter. Why do so many controversies involve 'all or nothing' arguments??? Are the Protestant alternatives to Catholicism -- as presented on the Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN) -- superior to the basic form of the Mass (without regard to symbolism or interpretation)??? Is watching an egomaniac strut and shout -- or laugh for 20 minutes -- a more reverential way to commune with God??? What Would Monseigneur Bowe Do???

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLRa3Atw384&feature=related
2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwrel&v=7uyIt__v_60&NR=1
3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWHZ50yLXrM&feature=related
4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9g_6s-X_1kM&feature=related

Don't shoot -- I'm just an American Heretic!!! Is there any church on the planet which would REALLY accept me with open arms on a long-term basis??? I might have to lurk for a very long time...

orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you for this thread HigherLove. Can you picture Jesus driving a Ferrari, wearing a sweat-suit and a Rolex watch as He pulls out of His beach-house driveway? Most would recoil from such a thought! Some would say that to suggest this is irreverent and inappropriate. Once again, I am conflicted. I love Jesus, both historically and within my heart. However, I would love to have a Ferrari, a Rolex, and a beach-house! Could I have my Jesus, and my Ferrari too? Is this the Rich Young Ruler 2011? Allow me to suggest that if I ever became a Wall Street wizard, a best-selling author, or a song-writer and singer, it would be entirely appropriate, as a Christian, to have a Ferrari, a Rolex, and a beach-house. Gasp! Shock! Disbelief! Disgust!

Now that I'm in deep H2O, allow me to try to escape the do-gooder sharks! The money making activities listed, if done honestly and ethically, are entirely appropriate. If a lot of money is made, the books are properly kept, and the taxes are honestly paid (even though the Federal Income Tax appears to be unconstitutional), the car, watch, and home are just rewards of the free enterprise system. The Ferrari could be a $60,000 used F355, rather than a $160,000 F430. Likewise, the Rolex could be purchased from an estate sale instead of on Rodeo Drive. The beach-house could be a small, modest property, located far from Malibu. If purchased shrewdly, all of these items could be excellent investments, and yield large financial returns.

Then, the majority of the income of all of the above could be donated to a variety of worthy causes. And one could drive said Ferrari to a Habitat For Humanity project, and pound nails for 8 hours. And the upper crust friends one would make on the job and on the golf course could be encouraged to go and do likewise! And they would have the resources to make a huge difference in this miserable world. Have you heard of Bill Gates, Paul Allen, Warren Buffet, Jimmy Carter, Bono, et.al.? I'm not sure that they started out to be Christ-like, but they sure are giving away lots of time and money! Maybe we Christians have been too narrow in what we define as Christ-like! I know I have...and I'm trying to change.

The Ferrari dealers make money to send their kids to college while people enjoy the nice cars. The Rolex employees make money for the necessities of life while people enjoy wearing these nice watches. Likewise, the construction and real-estate people make money to make their mortgage payments, while buyers enjoy their nice new homes. Part of the rationalization for this materialistic daydream is that good, ethical people should be well rewarded for their success. The bad, unethical people should not be well rewarded! They should be stripped of what they have, and locked up! I know I'm living in a dream-world. Having said this, one probably doesn't need a Ferrari collection, or 3 waterfront estates throughout the world! And one should never, ever be unethical or dishonest in the pursuit of money! People should pursue money and then become philanthropists. And they should never, ever look down on anyone. They should never, ever stop being nice to everyone.

I like the ancient Egyptian body position of reaching up with one hand, and reaching down with the other. Taking and giving. I also like the phrase, "Stand tall, and lift!" Striving for success and then helping others to climb higher! We must not neglect the top or the bottom. And the middle-class should be getting larger instead of smaller! How about one big, happy, stratified middle-class, with incentives, but without extreme wealth or destitute poverty? So, yes, I think it is possible at least, that Jesus would drive a Ferrari, wear a Rolex, and live in a beach-house! He probably would do it incognito to avoid misunderstandings. But Jesus hung out with just about everyone, from rich to poor...and maybe we should too!

As an afterthought, it should be just fine to not have a car, a watch or sweat-suit, and live in a studio apartment with no view! I have! The historical Jesus didn't even have a house! We shouldn't look up to others, or look down on others! We should all look straight ahead at each-other as children of God!

"See What Happens When One Attacks the Catholics???!!!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PltNiL4xj6s

orthodoxymoron wrote:I think constantly about dying -- in connection with 2012, my radical posting, accidents, natural causes -- who knows?? My big concern is the Final Judgment -- and Facing Really Stern and Severe Judges -- Who Might Not Like Human-Beings. I'm sorry if my attempted minimalist-traditionalist positive-reinforcement approach to mythology and theology is lacking -- but this is my modality for approaching new and radical information -- rather than letting-go of my anchor -- and beating upon the rocks of infidelity. I sometimes wonder what it might be like to conduct a 'test-church' experiment at the deconsecrated St. Ouen (in France) -- focusing upon a synthesis of the 1788 Federalist Papers, the 1898 Desire of Ages, the 1928 Book of Common Prayer, and the 1962 Missal -- with massive-doses of Sacred Classical Music??!! The participants would be encouraged to study all of the new, radical, and controversial information available on the internet -- while continuing with the aforementioned minimalist-traditionalist approach -- on a daily basis. What if a Vatican-Based United States of the Solar System were presided over by a King and Queen -- rather than a Male Pope?? You might criticize me -- and with good reason -- but don't you think I am quite open-minded and ecumenical for a basically Conservative Seventh-day Adventist??!! My Transitional-Modality is basically a synthesis of Conservative-Constitutionalist, Conservative Reformed-Protestant, Conservative-Anglican, and Conservative-Catholic!!! Strange Bedfellows!!! In the third, sixth, seventh, and eighth videos (below) imagine organist Gillian Weir as being the Reincarnation of a Pure Queen of Heaven, a Pure Anna, or a Pure Vala Mal Doran!!! As you know by now, I think there might be several Archangelic Queens of Heaven (including One who might be Messianic!) -- with varying levels of good and evil!!! But please don't chip me or vaccinate me -- I'm just a completely ignorant fool -- with no insider information!! I continue to do the best I can -- while continuing to fly blind. God Help Us!!

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orthodoxymoron wrote:I continue to wonder what a Vatican-Based Namaste-Constitutional-Responsible-Freedom United States of the Solar System might look like!! What might they say in Orion??!! I realize this is playing with burning-magnesium -- and that I am a completely ignorant fool. Bad Combination!! But Siriusly, can you imagine daily Congressional and Senatorial Sessions in the large glass-roofed building next to St. Peter's??!! Can you imagine the American System with the Panache of the Roman System??!! I have no idea how such a thing might be accomplished -- or even if it would really work. I simply do not have the resources to properly model such a thing -- and I do not have a limitless supply of uncorrupted information relative to solar system governance and galactic governance. This is simply a preliminary test. This is only a test. What REALLY worries me is the thought that the Nasty Hidden Factions will ALWAYS exist -- no matter what solar system exists -- and that they will ALWAYS raise hell and screw things up. Once again, please take this thread as a whole -- or not at all -- and researcher beware. Here's another perspective to muddy the waters:

Aquaries1111 wrote:SO WHAT SHOULD ALL OF THIS SUNWORSHIP MEAN TO ME A CHRISTIAN TODAY?
Really, a better question would be to ask: "What did these sungods and dying/rising gods mean to these who heard these stories and these "theologies" thousands of years ago"? Yes, that is the question and the answers fill the questions that we have as Christians and followers of "the Christ" since the "Jesus Story" is so alike all these other solar gods why likewise "died and rose again 3 days later".
The First New Testament: The Historical Jesus Or The Christ Of Faith....Which Is It?
The Truth About Early Christianity And The Roman Coverup
Now we must learn a bunch from another website dealing with these early "Chrestians" or Christians as we call them today. We must deal with the Gnostic understanding of all we learned in Egyptian studies and all we learned in the Astrotheology studies and see how this was modeled in the lives and beliefs of these earliest "Gnostic Chrestians". For that we must go to another site for this information; ironically a site dealing with the true First New Testament which we don't have in our churches today.
But before we go I need to help you make sense out of why this Astrotheology and personifications of the Sun and its path through the Cosmos was so important to the Spiritual Masters of yesterday. For that we need to understand correctly how these ancient people looked as these similar "sungods" and "sungod stories" which mimic our "Jesus Story" today.
Answer for yourself: Did the Ancients understand these "sungods" as if "literal-historical"? How should we make comparisons to an "assumed literal-historical Jesus"? What is behind all of these representations of these "sungods"? Were all the Ancients going to hell according to Christian doctrine? Is there a common thread and hidden link we have missed between all of the above "gods"? Were all of these "sungods" nothing more than allegories and symbols for a deeper "spiritual reality" that escapes us today? Could it be that the Ancients understood all of these above "pagan gods and goddesses" as allegories for the Divine Energy and Soul within all mankind and we not know it?
Let us see if our whole Christian perspective on these "sungods" has been wrong from the traditional Christian perspective. What is the implication for the "Jesus Story" since it parallels completely these other stories of these "sungods"? Do we dare rethink the "literal-historical" interpretation of "the Christ"? Were the Christian Gnostics right about "the Christ" and Rome wrong and have we believed a Roman lie and forged documents about this whole thing and could our Christian understanding of "the true Jewish Messiah" be incorrect? What a study. The truth is out there in these links to help the evidence mount to prove our points but first let us understand the deep spiritual insights behind these Ancient sungods which are forerunners of the later "Jesus Story".

If you have studied our Egypt-Christian website as well as this Jesus-Astrotheology site then now you know why throughout all our websites that we advise that the Christian seriously look into Judaism for it is the living link today with these Ancient Truths found originally in the first religion of mankind, the Egyptian religion. Through Judaism today and their Torah we have made available to us today, the non-Jew, the most proper way for us to continually develop, mature, and perfect our Soul without being encumbered by the idolatry inherent in the Christology of Roman Christianity due to their falsification of these Ancient Religions texts where they "literalized" the Ancient Divine Allegorical Truths first given to mankind in the beginning of time and in so doing gave the world a false salvation message and destroyed the Spiritual Truth of the "Christ Within".
Recover "The Faith Once Given To The Saints" Which Has Been Perverted By Gentile Christianity And Their "Literal" and "Historical" Interpretation of the Sacred Texts. http://astrotheology.weebly.com/

I continue to lean toward an Archangelicentric Approach to the History of Theology and Mythology. Don't stop thinking about Archangels, Reincarnation, Ancient-Technology, and Genetic-Engineering. Consider the 1788 Federalist Papers, the 1898 Desire of Ages, the 1928 Book of Common Prayer, the 1962 Missal, and all of the Sacred Classical Music -- in the Context of the Great Controversy (the Conflict of the Ages) Between Christ and Satan in Ancient Babylon, Egypt, Greece, and Rome. Think About It!!!

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I have a feeling that the governments and religions of the world (and beyond?) are in the process of being shaken to their core -- but that eventually a glorious solution will emerge. I intend this thread as turbulent-foreplay to a climactic-resolution. One of the problems with my hypothetical United States of the Solar System is that I rely on the United States and the Christian Church -- both of which have a helluva lot of blood on their hands. The contrast between the Federalist Papers and the Killing of the Native Americans is rather stark and brutal. The contrast between the Teachings of Jesus and the Christian Crusades and Inquistion is rather stark and brutal. What's wrong with this picture?? All of this reminds me of 'The Mission'.

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orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you A1. I'll have to go see 'Brave' -- even though I very rarely go to movies. The last movie I went to see was 'Legion' (which was a mixed-bag for me). There are Political and Theological lessons and messages EVERYWHERE. I guess I just want people to think about Politics and Religion in whatever context suites their fancy -- whether it be a Novus Ordo Mass, a Traditional Latin Mass, an Evangelical Service, a Vintage Car Race, a Live Steam Club, a Baseball Game, a Football Game, a Movie, a TV Show, a Coffee-Shop, a Road-Trip -- WHATEVER. However, I keep thinking about Idealized Versions of a Hypothetical Orion-Sirius-Aldebaran-Atlantean-Babylonian-Egyptian-Grecian-Roman-British-American Empire -- with absolutely no bullshit or corruption. Andromeda, the Pleiades (and ?????) might fit into this hypothesis as well -- but the stated Hypothetical Empire seems to be both Problem and Solution. I continue to view both Humanity and Divinity as being both Good and Evil -- with many Shades of Grey. I continue to model the possibility that Humanity (and possibly the Greys) are Recent Subsets of an Ancient Traditional and Theocratic Draconian-Reptilian Race. I continue to model the possibility that the souls of the Reptilians, Greys, and Humans are Interdimensional-Reptilian in nature -- and that on a Soul-Level we might be Relatives and 'All One' -- which is one reason why the term 'Namaste' might be extremely important relative to a resolution of galactic governance issues. This thread is more of a 'Cry for Help' than it is a 'Know It All' phenomenon. The one who claimed to be an Ancient Egyptian Deity asked me if I were ready to 'Run the World' (or something to that effect) -- and I responded that 'It Was Too Complicated' -- which is why I am leaning toward a 10,000 Representative -- Namaste-Constitutional-Responsible-Freedom United States of the Solar System -- which incorporates the Vatican, the City of London, Washington D.C., the United Nations, and the Moon -- in a Purified and Reformed Version of That Which Presently Exists. Obviously, I don't know what's really going-on -- and I guess I might prefer Going to Heaven -- but what if Abandoning Ship might be the End of the Human Race as We Know It??? There are too many unknowns and too much bullshit. This seems to be a Sinister and Deceptive 'Most Dangerous Game' -- with Unimaginably High Stakes.

A1, you look a lot less like 'Erica Evans' in your new avatar! Do you consider Dragons to be real, imaginary (or both)? If real, do you consider Dragons to be physical, spiritual (or both)? Do you consider Dragons to be good, evil (or both)? I have sometimes wondered if Greys are Teenage Reptilians -- and if Dracs are Young-Adult to Middle-Aged Reptilians -- and if Dragons are Elder-Statesman Reptilians???!!! The Bible states that 'Michael was wroth with the Dragon'. Was Michael a Progressive-Drac who challenged the Traditional-Dragon Galactic Powers That Be???!!! Did this result in the War in Heaven???!!! What if we are Interdimensional-Reptilians on the Soul-Level???!!! What if we are Mammalian-Reptilians???!!! Could our souls animate Grey-Bodies???!!! Drac-Bodies???!!! Dragon-Bodies???!!! What were we before we were Human???!!! What will we be if and when we are no longer Human???!!! Would the answer frighten us???!!! I've asked these questions before -- but in somewhat different ways. What a Can of Worms!!! Or, is it a Can of Snakes???!!!

One more thing. Rewatch 'The Agony and the Ecstasy'. I find Michelangelo to be especially interesting. For one so refined -- he seemed to live like a tramp. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEJOKdtDe0I&feature=related He also seemed to know way too much. Interesting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAKEIsJpk0w Don't stop thinking about Isis, Ra, Moses, and Aaron -- past, present, and future (reincarnationally and archangelically). Rewatch 'The Ring of Power' in light of everything presented thus far in this thread. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwnWni9HLEY Who REALLY invented You Tube and the Internet??? What Would Gore Say? You might be surprised. Has You Tube and the Internet Turned the Tide in the Great Controversy Between Christ and Satan in the Conflict of the Ages??? I feel as if I need to watch 'Ring of Power' over and over again -- while reading 'Jesus: Last of the Pharaohs', 'The Gods of Eden', 'Rule by Secrecy', 'The Twelth Planet', 'The Great Controversy', 'The Red Pill Threads', and 'The United States of the Solar System Thread'. I have no idea how much of all of this might be true -- but it might help prepare me for 'The Real Truth'. Again, all of this is intended to help prepare us for what might be coming. This is a Boot-Camp for a New Solar System and a Brave New Universe.

Some days I just feel like hiding and crying. Today is one of those days. Imagine how I might react to the 'Truth, the Whole Truth, and Nothing But the Truth'??? Perhaps I am being sheltered by silence. Or, perhaps Those Who Know are Hiding Behind a Veil of Silence and Secrecy. Those Who Talk -- Don't Know. Those Who Know -- Don't Talk. But really, perhaps the Veil of Secrecy should be opened slowly -- rather than rending it in twain from top to bottom.

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