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Mercuriel- Admin
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Hmmm - A Lot are leaving Us lately eh ?
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lindabaker- Posts : 1385
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Mercuriel, I have noticed the same thing...our teachers are leaving us now. I thank every one who assisted in our awakening and for giving us steps to enlightenment. After all, we are visitors here on this beautiful earth, for a relatively short time. I want to know where those teachers are going, hmmm. If we have truly made our planet uninhabitable in the long term, what planet would be a good replacement? Plutonium release alone is enough to tip the balance, and it's not in our favor. Ah, what mistakes were made by our so called leaders. Those of us who try to conserve our ecology have been hit like a car wreck. Is there another place we can go now that we have fouled our nest? I want to know where the dolphins are going, those that are leaving us in great numbers. And the elephants. I read the other day that elephants will most likely not survive on earth very much longer due to loss of habitat. Where are the animal souls going next I wonder. Maybe a planet with fewer humans will be a better place in general. Meantime, we gather around our campfire in the Mists, and honor those who contributed so much. Linda
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If I may - IMO ;
I think many Guides and Teachers of the past Generation are now leaving Us as Their tasks are done and Its time for Them to move on to a next position on Their own respective Soul Paths...
Simply put - They were to lay the seeds. To be good examples to those Who would take up the Gnosis and move It along once They HAD left...
We are to now take the examples and Guide where We can - All of Us - And assist wherever possible. I do feel that the Shift has always been about Vibration and Frequency so It will not matter much longer about the Radiation...
The outward Manifestation of this so that Logicality can be maintained is that to those moving up in Vibration - Those of discordant Vibration become less and less obvious - Sometimes through Cataclysm and at other times due to disease and Old age. To those remaining in Materialism and Separation - The Higher Vibrationals also seem to meet ends thinning Themselves out through natural means reaching that Equilibrium and Logicality to each's Mentalisms as They both move - Either into Unity or Separation on Their respective Soul Paths...
It is My hope that I have not been too obtuse in the above explanation. If I have please say so and I will try to refine My comment.
I think many Guides and Teachers of the past Generation are now leaving Us as Their tasks are done and Its time for Them to move on to a next position on Their own respective Soul Paths...
Simply put - They were to lay the seeds. To be good examples to those Who would take up the Gnosis and move It along once They HAD left...
We are to now take the examples and Guide where We can - All of Us - And assist wherever possible. I do feel that the Shift has always been about Vibration and Frequency so It will not matter much longer about the Radiation...
The outward Manifestation of this so that Logicality can be maintained is that to those moving up in Vibration - Those of discordant Vibration become less and less obvious - Sometimes through Cataclysm and at other times due to disease and Old age. To those remaining in Materialism and Separation - The Higher Vibrationals also seem to meet ends thinning Themselves out through natural means reaching that Equilibrium and Logicality to each's Mentalisms as They both move - Either into Unity or Separation on Their respective Soul Paths...
It is My hope that I have not been too obtuse in the above explanation. If I have please say so and I will try to refine My comment.
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Namaste...
Peace, Light, Love, Harmony and Unity...
LeeEllisMusic- Posts : 174
Join date : 2010-05-09
Age : 66
Location : Boulder, Colorado, USA
I have never met Sai Baba in person, but he has been in my heart and consciousness for at least a decade. I have spiritual teachers who have been with him and passed on profound teachings. I know PERSONALLY stories of people who have been with him, in his audience room, and had profound ife changes, and yes, even given the miracle trinkets that are so widely derided. I met a New York Physicist who met Baba personally, and Baba manifested a ring on his finger and asked if he liked the design. He said no, and Baba passed his hand over the ring and changed it's face. The man showed me the ring. He was clearly not prepared to be faced with something he could not explain whit with he just saw with his very own eyes!
I have been with Baba's devotees around the country, and in Japan and Cambodia and seen the effects His presence has had on their lives, GOOD people, inspired to do good in the world. i could go on and on with stories of Baba, of the monk I travelled with in Japan and Cambodia taking tons of rice to the orphans across the Mekong, of myself being in homes where vibhuti (sacred ash) poured forth from the photos (I have seen this myself) I have tasted the Amrit, a honeylike substance that Baba manifested, and I tell you the vibrations are so pure and uplifting, there are no words to describe it.
I have been profoundly affected by the life and teachings of Sri Satya Sai Baba, and am ever grateful that He came to be with us for a time, whatever you conceive His Spirit to be, His mission was and continues to be that of instilling he five virtues = Love, Peace, Truth, Non-Violence and Right Action.
Baba has built great hospitals and water projects throughout India and inspired countless devotees to serve others. He is lauded by countless political leaders in India.
BBC News reports that Prime Minister Manmohan Singh described his death as an "irreparable loss".
His most Famous motto: LOVE ALL SERVE ALL ~ ~ ~
I even wrote a song with that title - it goes like this:
BUt these are pale words compared to the actual words Baba spoke. Reflect on them, and let them lead to you your own Indwelling Light ~ ~
JAI SAI RAAM!
The same God dwells in all beings. There is no justification for differences on the basis of religion. It is attachment to the body which accounts for religious differences. Do not regard the body as permanent. It is a water bubble. The mind too is like a mad monkey. Don't follow either of them. Follow the conscience. Recognize the fact that the whole universe is within you. You have all the powers in you. They are derived from the Divine Spirit within you. Forgetting the supreme power of the Spirit, people rely on the powers of the body, the mind and the intellect.
Vedanta (Vedic philosophy) declares: "Brahman is Sathya (Truth); the Cosmos is Mithya (illusory)". Your primary concern must be to understand whether you are real or unreal or what in you is real and what is unreal. It is only when you have recognised the truth of your own being that you can recognise the world as illusory and your own self as the only reality. The realized person asserts: "I am Brahman". Wherefrom has this statement emanated? What does it mean? It is a spontaneous expression and not the result of a thought or feeling. The "I" is boundless Infinite. When the finite individual merges in the Infinite "I", the "I" alone remains.
Human body is meant to serve others, not to indulge in selfish deeds. Due to selfishness, one indulges in many sinful activities. Eschew selfishness, take to selfless service. Give up attachment to the body. Become attached to the Self. Understand that the same Atma (Self) exists in everybody. Though you find myriad bulbs glowing, the current that is passing through them is the same. Bodies are like bulbs, the principle of the Atma is the current that is present in them. With such a feeling of oneness, make efforts to alleviate the suffering of your fellowmen.
The same Atma, the same love and the same divinity is present in all beings. All are one. The heart is like a tank and all the senses are like taps. When the 'tank' is full of love, all that comes out of the 'taps' will also be love. Whatever you see in others is only a reflection of your inner being. Understand this truth. If you see evil in others, it is actually the reflection of your own evil feelings. What is outside is only the reflection, reaction, and resound of what is within you. If you wear blue glasses, you see everything blue. If you wear red glasses, you see everything red. If you are a good person, you will see goodness all around.
The Vedas deal with rituals and worship, which imply a dualism between the worshipper and the object worshipped. Vedanta spells out the principle of Adwaitha (non-duality). It is interpreted in different ways, but the real basis of the Adwaithik principle is Ekaatma Bhaava, the feeling that there is only one Atma pervading everywhere and none else. "Adhwaita Darshanam Jnanam" (Wisdom lies in the perception of oneness). The Upanishads preach this oneness, based on the concept of unity in diversity.
Oil is present within the sesame seed. Ghee is present in every drop of milk. Fragrance is latent in every flower. A fruit is imbued with sweet juice. In every piece of wood, fire is latent. In the same manner, the Divine is immanent in the entire cosmos in a subtle form as Chaitanya (Consciousness). The cosmos is the visible manifestation of the invisible Supreme Self. The Divine shines effulgently in every man as Sath-Chith-Ananda (Being-Awareness-Bliss). While the Divine is in such close proximity to him, man in his ignorance goes about seeking God outside himself.
Pure and selfless love towards all living beings, considering everyone as embodiments of the Divine, with no expectation of reward, is true Love. With this attitude, when one regards divinity as present in all beings, he experiences true love. Whatever be the vicissitudes one may face, whatever be the personal sorrows and privations one may undergo, true love will remain unaffected. Today, the moment a difficulty arises, love turns into hatred. True love is the sweet fruit that grows out of the fragrant flower of good deeds. Love rules without recourse to the sword. It binds without laws. Only one who has such true love can be described as human, for, divine love is the basic quality of a true human being.
Realize that you have within you the source of power, wisdom and joy. Assert that you are unconquerable and free, that you cannot be tempted or frightened in to wrong. So long as a trace of body consciousness persists in you, the search for God must continue. Do not get caught in the sticky tangles of the external world. Do not harden your heart through greed and hate. Instead, soften it with love. Cleanse it through pure habits of living and thinking. Make it your shrine, wherein you install and worship God. Then, you can enter the sacred precincts of Moksha (Liberation).
Every aspirant who seeks the Eternal through the path of Bhakthi (devotion) should strive to acquire these characteristics: He must (1) keep away from the turmoils, the cruelties, the falsehoods of this world; (2) practise truth, righteousness, love and peace; (3) discard as worthless both praise and blame, appreciation and derision, prosperity and adversity; (4) keep steady faith in his own Innate Reality; and (5) dedicate himself to spiritual uplift.
All that you speak is a reflection of inner thoughts. All that you do is a reflection of inner action. Hence, to act according to your inner impulse is Dharma (right conduct). To speak what you feel inside is Sathya (truth). To contemplate on what you experience in your heart is Shanti (peace). To understand properly the promptings of the heart is Ahimsa (non-violence). Consideration for all emanating from the heart is Prema (love). The five values are thus reflections of feelings emanating from the heart. Being truly human means having complete harmony between thought, word and deed. If there is divergence between thought, word and deed, what is the outcome? Fruitless action.
One need not search for spiritual power, going around the world and spending a lot of money. You can stay in your own house and develop it within yourself. You do not have to run for it hither and thither. You are not a mere man, but God Himself. Do not be under the delusion that God is residing somewhere and that you have to search for Him; God is within you.
God is the great Unseen, the vast Unknowable. Though you do not see the roots or know how deep inside the earth they are, you pour water round the trunk, so that it may reach them. You expect that the roots will absorb the water and the tree will grow and yield fruit. Recognize that similarly there is God as the very basis of Creation; pray to Him, and He will shower fruit.
Man does not live by food alone. In fact he lives by the power of the Atma. So you must use your strength of body and mind, wealth and education with intelligence, in order to realize the power of the soul. Without discrimination, what is the use of physical strength? Everyday, when you take food, you are offering eatables to the Fire that God has put in you to digest food. You have to eat in a prayerful mood, in profound gratitude. The Bhagavad Gita says that the fire that cooked the meal is God; the meal is God, the eater is God; the purpose of eating is to carry on the work entrusted by God, or pleasing to God; and the fruit of that work is progress towards God.

God is the Antharyaami (Indweller), and so, when He is sought in the outer world He cannot be caught. Love Him with no other thought; feel that without Him nothing is worth anything; feel that He is all. Then you become His and He becomes yours. There is no nearer kinship than that. You have come from God; you are a spark of His Glory; you are a wave of that Ocean of bliss; you will get peace only when you again merge in Him. Like a child who has lost his way, you can have joy only when you rejoin your mother.
Man has springs of joy and peace in his heart, even as a child. Cultivate them, give them fullest freedom to gush forth and fertilize all fields of activity, that is the real purpose of education. Man is born to be perpetually happy, but he is always in misery. This is tragic; it is like the man who died of thirst though he was standing knee-deep in the running stream. The source of happiness is in you. Real education has to teach man how to tap this spring of joy.
Why is man so pathetically afflicted today with fear and anxiety? Are we to search for the reasons outside us or do they lie within us? The reason lies in the false emphasis we have laid on things of the material world, ignoring matters of the spirit. The body that man bears is essentially a receptacle of God. It is a temple where God is installed, where God is the Master. Hence, it does not behove you to pander to its every whim. Instead, realise it to be a very valuable instrument in your journey to God.
Gu' means darkness and 'Ru' means light. Guru (spiritual preceptor) scatters darkness through light; he imparts wisdom which roots out our ignorance. 'Gu' also connotes 'Gunaatheetha' (One who is beyond 'gunas' or attributes) and 'Ru' connotes 'Roopavarjitha' (One who has transcended Form). Do not seek human Gurus, however great their reputation. They are bound by the qualities they have developed and they are still in need of the Form so that they may conceive of Reality. They themselves being limited, how can they communicate to you the Unlimited? Pray to the Parabrahma Principle (transcendental principle) or God within you to reveal Itself. Accept that as the Guru and you will be illumined.
In this Kali Age, people have forgotten human values and exhibit animal qualities such as lust, anger, greed and hatred. One may study all the scriptures, perform all types of sacrifices, go on extensive pilgrimages, but it is not easy to control the senses and the mind, direct one's vision inward and maintain equanimity. In ancient times, the sages and seers maintained purity in thought, truth in words and righteousness in deeds. Purity of heart and selflessness are the hallmarks of human life
Man expects the New Year to confer on him and the world at large peace, happiness and prosperity. But the welfare of the world depends on man's conduct and behavior. Man's conduct depends on his mind. The nature of the mind depends on thoughts. Only when man's thoughts are based on truth will the world flourish. One who aspires for the welfare of the world should see to it that his thoughts and actions are in accordance with his aspirations. The New Year brings with it neither happiness nor misery. Man attains happiness or misery based on the actions he performs. So, he should perform righteous deeds.
What is spirituality? It is the resolute pursuit of cosmic consciousness. Spirituality aims at enabling a person to manifest in all its fullness the divine cosmic consciousness (Chaitanya) that is present both within and outside oneself. It means getting rid of one’s animal nature and developing the divine tendencies within one. It means breaking down the barriers between God and Nature and establishing their essential oneness. Today, people think that spirituality has no relation to mundane life, and vice versa. This is a big mistake. True divinity is a combination of spirituality and social obligations. National unity and social harmony are founded upon spirituality. It is the Divine that links spirituality and social existence
Attachment causes pain, and detachment results in joy. But, you cannot easily detach yourself from activity; the mind clings to something or the other. Make it cling to God, let it perform all actions for God and leave the success or failure, the loss and the profit, the elation or the dejection, to God. This is the secret of Shanti (Peace) and contentment.
He who considers himself free is free indeed, and he who considers himself bound remains bound. Constantly think yourself as being eternal, unlimited, Consciousness-Bliss, and you will be free and happy. So long as you trap yourself in body consciousness you are like a lion moping about in a musty cave. Do not feel satisfied by saying, 'I am the body'. Roar and say, 'I am the Universal Absolute. I am all that is, was and will be.' Pettiness, ego, time and space - all will flee from your heart and you will realise your own Divinity.
There is a tendency to interpret renunciation as merely giving up worldly attachments. Renunciation truly means attaining perfect equanimity. People may criticize you or praise you, take them both with a sense of equanimity. One may try to harm you while another may try to do you a good turn; treat both situations with equanimity. In one business venture, you may incur a loss while in another you may make a profit; treat them both alike. Equanimity is the hallmark of yoga (spiritual attainment).
I have been with Baba's devotees around the country, and in Japan and Cambodia and seen the effects His presence has had on their lives, GOOD people, inspired to do good in the world. i could go on and on with stories of Baba, of the monk I travelled with in Japan and Cambodia taking tons of rice to the orphans across the Mekong, of myself being in homes where vibhuti (sacred ash) poured forth from the photos (I have seen this myself) I have tasted the Amrit, a honeylike substance that Baba manifested, and I tell you the vibrations are so pure and uplifting, there are no words to describe it.
I have been profoundly affected by the life and teachings of Sri Satya Sai Baba, and am ever grateful that He came to be with us for a time, whatever you conceive His Spirit to be, His mission was and continues to be that of instilling he five virtues = Love, Peace, Truth, Non-Violence and Right Action.
Baba has built great hospitals and water projects throughout India and inspired countless devotees to serve others. He is lauded by countless political leaders in India.
BBC News reports that Prime Minister Manmohan Singh described his death as an "irreparable loss".
His most Famous motto: LOVE ALL SERVE ALL ~ ~ ~
I even wrote a song with that title - it goes like this:
Love all, serve all, heal all, free all - Be the love that you are
When you love yourself-You love all
When you serve yourself-You serve all
When you heal yourself-You heal all
When you free yourself-You free all
When you love yourself-You love all
When you serve yourself-You serve all
When you heal yourself-You heal all
When you free yourself-You free all
BUt these are pale words compared to the actual words Baba spoke. Reflect on them, and let them lead to you your own Indwelling Light ~ ~
JAI SAI RAAM!
The same God dwells in all beings. There is no justification for differences on the basis of religion. It is attachment to the body which accounts for religious differences. Do not regard the body as permanent. It is a water bubble. The mind too is like a mad monkey. Don't follow either of them. Follow the conscience. Recognize the fact that the whole universe is within you. You have all the powers in you. They are derived from the Divine Spirit within you. Forgetting the supreme power of the Spirit, people rely on the powers of the body, the mind and the intellect.
Vedanta (Vedic philosophy) declares: "Brahman is Sathya (Truth); the Cosmos is Mithya (illusory)". Your primary concern must be to understand whether you are real or unreal or what in you is real and what is unreal. It is only when you have recognised the truth of your own being that you can recognise the world as illusory and your own self as the only reality. The realized person asserts: "I am Brahman". Wherefrom has this statement emanated? What does it mean? It is a spontaneous expression and not the result of a thought or feeling. The "I" is boundless Infinite. When the finite individual merges in the Infinite "I", the "I" alone remains.
Human body is meant to serve others, not to indulge in selfish deeds. Due to selfishness, one indulges in many sinful activities. Eschew selfishness, take to selfless service. Give up attachment to the body. Become attached to the Self. Understand that the same Atma (Self) exists in everybody. Though you find myriad bulbs glowing, the current that is passing through them is the same. Bodies are like bulbs, the principle of the Atma is the current that is present in them. With such a feeling of oneness, make efforts to alleviate the suffering of your fellowmen.
The same Atma, the same love and the same divinity is present in all beings. All are one. The heart is like a tank and all the senses are like taps. When the 'tank' is full of love, all that comes out of the 'taps' will also be love. Whatever you see in others is only a reflection of your inner being. Understand this truth. If you see evil in others, it is actually the reflection of your own evil feelings. What is outside is only the reflection, reaction, and resound of what is within you. If you wear blue glasses, you see everything blue. If you wear red glasses, you see everything red. If you are a good person, you will see goodness all around.
The Vedas deal with rituals and worship, which imply a dualism between the worshipper and the object worshipped. Vedanta spells out the principle of Adwaitha (non-duality). It is interpreted in different ways, but the real basis of the Adwaithik principle is Ekaatma Bhaava, the feeling that there is only one Atma pervading everywhere and none else. "Adhwaita Darshanam Jnanam" (Wisdom lies in the perception of oneness). The Upanishads preach this oneness, based on the concept of unity in diversity.
Oil is present within the sesame seed. Ghee is present in every drop of milk. Fragrance is latent in every flower. A fruit is imbued with sweet juice. In every piece of wood, fire is latent. In the same manner, the Divine is immanent in the entire cosmos in a subtle form as Chaitanya (Consciousness). The cosmos is the visible manifestation of the invisible Supreme Self. The Divine shines effulgently in every man as Sath-Chith-Ananda (Being-Awareness-Bliss). While the Divine is in such close proximity to him, man in his ignorance goes about seeking God outside himself.
Pure and selfless love towards all living beings, considering everyone as embodiments of the Divine, with no expectation of reward, is true Love. With this attitude, when one regards divinity as present in all beings, he experiences true love. Whatever be the vicissitudes one may face, whatever be the personal sorrows and privations one may undergo, true love will remain unaffected. Today, the moment a difficulty arises, love turns into hatred. True love is the sweet fruit that grows out of the fragrant flower of good deeds. Love rules without recourse to the sword. It binds without laws. Only one who has such true love can be described as human, for, divine love is the basic quality of a true human being.
Realize that you have within you the source of power, wisdom and joy. Assert that you are unconquerable and free, that you cannot be tempted or frightened in to wrong. So long as a trace of body consciousness persists in you, the search for God must continue. Do not get caught in the sticky tangles of the external world. Do not harden your heart through greed and hate. Instead, soften it with love. Cleanse it through pure habits of living and thinking. Make it your shrine, wherein you install and worship God. Then, you can enter the sacred precincts of Moksha (Liberation).
Every aspirant who seeks the Eternal through the path of Bhakthi (devotion) should strive to acquire these characteristics: He must (1) keep away from the turmoils, the cruelties, the falsehoods of this world; (2) practise truth, righteousness, love and peace; (3) discard as worthless both praise and blame, appreciation and derision, prosperity and adversity; (4) keep steady faith in his own Innate Reality; and (5) dedicate himself to spiritual uplift.
All that you speak is a reflection of inner thoughts. All that you do is a reflection of inner action. Hence, to act according to your inner impulse is Dharma (right conduct). To speak what you feel inside is Sathya (truth). To contemplate on what you experience in your heart is Shanti (peace). To understand properly the promptings of the heart is Ahimsa (non-violence). Consideration for all emanating from the heart is Prema (love). The five values are thus reflections of feelings emanating from the heart. Being truly human means having complete harmony between thought, word and deed. If there is divergence between thought, word and deed, what is the outcome? Fruitless action.
One need not search for spiritual power, going around the world and spending a lot of money. You can stay in your own house and develop it within yourself. You do not have to run for it hither and thither. You are not a mere man, but God Himself. Do not be under the delusion that God is residing somewhere and that you have to search for Him; God is within you.
God is the great Unseen, the vast Unknowable. Though you do not see the roots or know how deep inside the earth they are, you pour water round the trunk, so that it may reach them. You expect that the roots will absorb the water and the tree will grow and yield fruit. Recognize that similarly there is God as the very basis of Creation; pray to Him, and He will shower fruit.
Man does not live by food alone. In fact he lives by the power of the Atma. So you must use your strength of body and mind, wealth and education with intelligence, in order to realize the power of the soul. Without discrimination, what is the use of physical strength? Everyday, when you take food, you are offering eatables to the Fire that God has put in you to digest food. You have to eat in a prayerful mood, in profound gratitude. The Bhagavad Gita says that the fire that cooked the meal is God; the meal is God, the eater is God; the purpose of eating is to carry on the work entrusted by God, or pleasing to God; and the fruit of that work is progress towards God.

God is the Antharyaami (Indweller), and so, when He is sought in the outer world He cannot be caught. Love Him with no other thought; feel that without Him nothing is worth anything; feel that He is all. Then you become His and He becomes yours. There is no nearer kinship than that. You have come from God; you are a spark of His Glory; you are a wave of that Ocean of bliss; you will get peace only when you again merge in Him. Like a child who has lost his way, you can have joy only when you rejoin your mother.
Man has springs of joy and peace in his heart, even as a child. Cultivate them, give them fullest freedom to gush forth and fertilize all fields of activity, that is the real purpose of education. Man is born to be perpetually happy, but he is always in misery. This is tragic; it is like the man who died of thirst though he was standing knee-deep in the running stream. The source of happiness is in you. Real education has to teach man how to tap this spring of joy.
Why is man so pathetically afflicted today with fear and anxiety? Are we to search for the reasons outside us or do they lie within us? The reason lies in the false emphasis we have laid on things of the material world, ignoring matters of the spirit. The body that man bears is essentially a receptacle of God. It is a temple where God is installed, where God is the Master. Hence, it does not behove you to pander to its every whim. Instead, realise it to be a very valuable instrument in your journey to God.
Gu' means darkness and 'Ru' means light. Guru (spiritual preceptor) scatters darkness through light; he imparts wisdom which roots out our ignorance. 'Gu' also connotes 'Gunaatheetha' (One who is beyond 'gunas' or attributes) and 'Ru' connotes 'Roopavarjitha' (One who has transcended Form). Do not seek human Gurus, however great their reputation. They are bound by the qualities they have developed and they are still in need of the Form so that they may conceive of Reality. They themselves being limited, how can they communicate to you the Unlimited? Pray to the Parabrahma Principle (transcendental principle) or God within you to reveal Itself. Accept that as the Guru and you will be illumined.
In this Kali Age, people have forgotten human values and exhibit animal qualities such as lust, anger, greed and hatred. One may study all the scriptures, perform all types of sacrifices, go on extensive pilgrimages, but it is not easy to control the senses and the mind, direct one's vision inward and maintain equanimity. In ancient times, the sages and seers maintained purity in thought, truth in words and righteousness in deeds. Purity of heart and selflessness are the hallmarks of human life
Man expects the New Year to confer on him and the world at large peace, happiness and prosperity. But the welfare of the world depends on man's conduct and behavior. Man's conduct depends on his mind. The nature of the mind depends on thoughts. Only when man's thoughts are based on truth will the world flourish. One who aspires for the welfare of the world should see to it that his thoughts and actions are in accordance with his aspirations. The New Year brings with it neither happiness nor misery. Man attains happiness or misery based on the actions he performs. So, he should perform righteous deeds.
What is spirituality? It is the resolute pursuit of cosmic consciousness. Spirituality aims at enabling a person to manifest in all its fullness the divine cosmic consciousness (Chaitanya) that is present both within and outside oneself. It means getting rid of one’s animal nature and developing the divine tendencies within one. It means breaking down the barriers between God and Nature and establishing their essential oneness. Today, people think that spirituality has no relation to mundane life, and vice versa. This is a big mistake. True divinity is a combination of spirituality and social obligations. National unity and social harmony are founded upon spirituality. It is the Divine that links spirituality and social existence
Attachment causes pain, and detachment results in joy. But, you cannot easily detach yourself from activity; the mind clings to something or the other. Make it cling to God, let it perform all actions for God and leave the success or failure, the loss and the profit, the elation or the dejection, to God. This is the secret of Shanti (Peace) and contentment.
He who considers himself free is free indeed, and he who considers himself bound remains bound. Constantly think yourself as being eternal, unlimited, Consciousness-Bliss, and you will be free and happy. So long as you trap yourself in body consciousness you are like a lion moping about in a musty cave. Do not feel satisfied by saying, 'I am the body'. Roar and say, 'I am the Universal Absolute. I am all that is, was and will be.' Pettiness, ego, time and space - all will flee from your heart and you will realise your own Divinity.
There is a tendency to interpret renunciation as merely giving up worldly attachments. Renunciation truly means attaining perfect equanimity. People may criticize you or praise you, take them both with a sense of equanimity. One may try to harm you while another may try to do you a good turn; treat both situations with equanimity. In one business venture, you may incur a loss while in another you may make a profit; treat them both alike. Equanimity is the hallmark of yoga (spiritual attainment).
My dear friend Connie Shaw has been to see Baba personally over thirty times over several decades and is the author of the book, Wake Up Laughing, which recounts her experiences. this is what I received from her this morning:
Dearest Ones,
He is not the body, nor are we. It is Easter Sunday in India and at 7:40 a.m. Baba left His body due to cardiovascular failure. See the message I just forwarded to you from the latest He gave Seema Dewan and reflect deeply upon it.
Easter Sunday…the day of Resurrection. He told all of us months ago that “Now your mission has begun.” We must bring in the Golden Age of Peace and Plenty together.
Feel Him in your heart and stay established in God consciousness continually now. He has not gone anywhere. He is always with us, as He has been. He is the eternal Love with each of us. Let it radiate out to all we meet, meeting Him in them, loving and serving them in His Name.
He is still, and will ever be, your Rock and Refuge, Father and Mother, Beloved and Spouse, the All-in-All. That has not and could not diminish one iota.
He lives, ever, as do we, with or without the ephemeral body!
Jai Sai Ram, long live Sai in our hearts!
And now we move together in unparalleled harmony to complete His mission of creating a New Era for humankind.
Lovingly,
Connie
Dearest Ones,
He is not the body, nor are we. It is Easter Sunday in India and at 7:40 a.m. Baba left His body due to cardiovascular failure. See the message I just forwarded to you from the latest He gave Seema Dewan and reflect deeply upon it.
Easter Sunday…the day of Resurrection. He told all of us months ago that “Now your mission has begun.” We must bring in the Golden Age of Peace and Plenty together.
Feel Him in your heart and stay established in God consciousness continually now. He has not gone anywhere. He is always with us, as He has been. He is the eternal Love with each of us. Let it radiate out to all we meet, meeting Him in them, loving and serving them in His Name.
He is still, and will ever be, your Rock and Refuge, Father and Mother, Beloved and Spouse, the All-in-All. That has not and could not diminish one iota.
He lives, ever, as do we, with or without the ephemeral body!
Jai Sai Ram, long live Sai in our hearts!
And now we move together in unparalleled harmony to complete His mission of creating a New Era for humankind.
Lovingly,
Connie
greybeard- Posts : 319
Join date : 2010-04-13
Age : 78
Location : Inverness Scotland
Coincides guide me.
Through a series of those I went to his Ashram at Putaparthi about ten years go.
For three weeks I stayed on the Ashram over Chrismas.
My family were not amused.
On Christmas day he manifest a small bible.
But the highlight for me was the fact that there was many many thousand of people sitting cramped together trying their best to sing Holy Night Silent Night.
They were people of all races all religions.
Where in the world would you get such a diverse community gathering together to honor Christ.
I made many longstanding friends through the time I followed the teaching of Baba.
He was asked -- Are you God? his answer. "Yes so are you the only difference is I know it and you dont"
shortly after I was guide to go to Sri Guruji the Kundalin Sage my K being awakened before I even knew there was such a thing.
Baba had awakened Guruji's Kundalini.
Later I was guided to Ramesh Baleskar the non-duality Advaita teacher---who said Baba keeps those who still need form and sends the rest to me.
As a foot note.
My Wife of that time Ita, had a vision of Baba in the room, he waved his finger at her and said temper temper..
I had a big picture of him in the living room and when I was out she had words with the picture, she did not approve on my visit to him at all. The wall light blew up which she atribute to him.
Soon after she was on her way out to India to see him and still follows his teaching.
I have had different teachers since but I was told Baba is headmaster, he sends you to who ever you are ready for.
The founder of The Hard Rock Cafe Isac Tigarett? who was a leading contributor to some projects iniated by Baba said
Baba is an enigma -- I agree.
Chris
Through a series of those I went to his Ashram at Putaparthi about ten years go.
For three weeks I stayed on the Ashram over Chrismas.
My family were not amused.
On Christmas day he manifest a small bible.
But the highlight for me was the fact that there was many many thousand of people sitting cramped together trying their best to sing Holy Night Silent Night.
They were people of all races all religions.
Where in the world would you get such a diverse community gathering together to honor Christ.
I made many longstanding friends through the time I followed the teaching of Baba.
He was asked -- Are you God? his answer. "Yes so are you the only difference is I know it and you dont"
shortly after I was guide to go to Sri Guruji the Kundalin Sage my K being awakened before I even knew there was such a thing.
Baba had awakened Guruji's Kundalini.
Later I was guided to Ramesh Baleskar the non-duality Advaita teacher---who said Baba keeps those who still need form and sends the rest to me.
As a foot note.
My Wife of that time Ita, had a vision of Baba in the room, he waved his finger at her and said temper temper..
I had a big picture of him in the living room and when I was out she had words with the picture, she did not approve on my visit to him at all. The wall light blew up which she atribute to him.
Soon after she was on her way out to India to see him and still follows his teaching.
I have had different teachers since but I was told Baba is headmaster, he sends you to who ever you are ready for.
The founder of The Hard Rock Cafe Isac Tigarett? who was a leading contributor to some projects iniated by Baba said
Baba is an enigma -- I agree.
Chris
mudra- Posts : 23210
Join date : 2010-04-09
Age : 69
Location : belgium
PURE LOVE 
http://www.videosurf.com/video/pure-love-92461077?vlt=ffext&vlt_position=inline My path has 'nt crossed Sai Baba if only through this video.
I am gratefull to be alive in the same time span as these beings that devoted their life to showing the human race that there is more to it than their physical limitations and that carried Love as a message.If it was'nt for them I would have felt quite disoriented on this Earth.
Although as Jose Arguelles Sai Baba left his physical vessel I am sure that on the other side of the veil the work goes on and that they are preparing the way for the next level to come .
Love from me
mudra
Floyd- Posts : 4104
Join date : 2010-04-16
When I said Ickes favourite guru I was being sarcastic. Icke thout he was a lizard peadophile.
There have been allegations of sexual abuse against Sai Baba but he was not prosecuted. Could have been a smear campaign. There are lots of them going on and always have done against people like this.
Here is a bbc documentary. About one hour long. Interesting. Apparently he was very fond of receiving oral sex. From males.
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There have been allegations of sexual abuse against Sai Baba but he was not prosecuted. Could have been a smear campaign. There are lots of them going on and always have done against people like this.
Here is a bbc documentary. About one hour long. Interesting. Apparently he was very fond of receiving oral sex. From males.
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aMuse- Posts : 5
Join date : 2010-11-23
Location : UK
With respect, please show some.
David Icke is a great, unrelenting force to be reckoned with but he does not know everything. At the time he was writing about reptilians, he had a whole lot of people coming forward to say they were reptilian. It has been suggested that this was done to discredit him, because reptilians and Wogan are the two things that sheeple remember best about Icke before descending into loud obnoxious braying.
I personally do not know whether the allegations about Baba were true. Quite frankly he was never, ever convicted and whether you like it or not the fact is the system that declares you guilty once you've been proven as such is better than the system we're heading into - all guilty until proven otherwise. So like you and I, Baba was never found guilty of the claims and therefore everything was speculation of the worst kind. Perhaps it was good to be reminded he was human after all he never wanted to be worshipped.
So let's look at the positives, look at the millions of people his hospitals helped and the millions of people he healed with his miracles and medicine. I know that everyone on this forum also helps millions of people and devotes their entire lives to serving humanity - don't they? (haha a little light sarcasm back at you Floyd).
Baba's website is filled with wonderful information and discourses on any topic - so don't take my word for it. I personally felt his hand when my life fell apart and he gently guided me to where I needed to be. I saw him at Prashanti Nilatam and from my own perspective he was the real deal. It was the best of times and it was the worst of times. Sorry for being evasive, I feel very sad and I don't like to detail things online. The world got a whole lot colder and emptier this week.
Anyway here is a lovely eulogy and summary - I couldn't have said it better but it sums up what I think and shares an important message with the rest of the users on this forum.
lesvisible.blogspot.com/2011/04/ironies-epiphanies-and-satya-sai-baba.html
Peace
David Icke is a great, unrelenting force to be reckoned with but he does not know everything. At the time he was writing about reptilians, he had a whole lot of people coming forward to say they were reptilian. It has been suggested that this was done to discredit him, because reptilians and Wogan are the two things that sheeple remember best about Icke before descending into loud obnoxious braying.
I personally do not know whether the allegations about Baba were true. Quite frankly he was never, ever convicted and whether you like it or not the fact is the system that declares you guilty once you've been proven as such is better than the system we're heading into - all guilty until proven otherwise. So like you and I, Baba was never found guilty of the claims and therefore everything was speculation of the worst kind. Perhaps it was good to be reminded he was human after all he never wanted to be worshipped.
So let's look at the positives, look at the millions of people his hospitals helped and the millions of people he healed with his miracles and medicine. I know that everyone on this forum also helps millions of people and devotes their entire lives to serving humanity - don't they? (haha a little light sarcasm back at you Floyd).
Baba's website is filled with wonderful information and discourses on any topic - so don't take my word for it. I personally felt his hand when my life fell apart and he gently guided me to where I needed to be. I saw him at Prashanti Nilatam and from my own perspective he was the real deal. It was the best of times and it was the worst of times. Sorry for being evasive, I feel very sad and I don't like to detail things online. The world got a whole lot colder and emptier this week.
Anyway here is a lovely eulogy and summary - I couldn't have said it better but it sums up what I think and shares an important message with the rest of the users on this forum.
lesvisible.blogspot.com/2011/04/ironies-epiphanies-and-satya-sai-baba.html
Peace
aMuse- Posts : 5
Join date : 2010-11-23
Location : UK
One more thought. I heard that he also had an addiction to Paan (Indian delicacy made from betel nuts google it) which he was advised to give up because his devotees did not approve. So he did. I guess it's weird we live in a world where our heroes and holy men have to be perfect and when discovered that they're not then EVERYTHING they said and did is discredited. Maybe he was gay, maybe devotees were jealous when he manifested things for other people. He made a bigger difference than most people altogether make in one lifetime.
Just saying.
Just saying.
Floyd- Posts : 4104
Join date : 2010-04-16
aMuse wrote:With respect, please show some.
To those who deserve it yes
David Icke is a great, unrelenting force to be reckoned with but he does not know everything.
Im not really interested in Icke
I personally do not know whether the allegations about Baba were true.
If you watch the video below you will find the allegations against him to be quite convincing.
So let's look at the positives, look at the millions of people his hospitals helped and the millions of people he healed with his miracles and medicine.
If I built a hospital for the sick and poor then asked you to give me a blow job would you still view me as a saint?
Baba's website is filled with wonderful information and discourses on any topic -
That may be the case but the jury is out on him and now he is dead he can never be prosecuted. Perhaps he is both saint and sinner. It does happen you know.
anomalous cowherd- Posts : 611
Join date : 2010-04-14
A lot of little boys will sleep easier with Sai gone bye bye. There is no smoke without fire, and power corrupts.
There is way too much evidence of Mr. Babas predilections, and he seldom gave the special audience to women.
Good luck to him on his life review.
It is true we are seing a lot of hasty exits, but I won't be missing him. Sorry.
Maybe he can hook up with Mother Theresa and start a new clinic where you don't have to be nearly dead to get a biscuit.
I think I need to add to this that I hold no truck wirh peadophilia. I don't see how ruining even one person's life with that behaviour justifies opening a hospital or inspiring other essentially good people to do more good. We need to be our OWN motivators. He may have said this is what he wanted others to do but actions speak, and he ran a tightly heirarchical spiritual gulag.
I know a little too much about a family who rose quite high in the ranks of Mr Buba becuase he was grooming and later abusing their gorgeous son. The boy was confused, his parent's revered Mr Shmuck like a GOD, he tried to tell them many times, they could not take it in, but the son had to. Literally.
Now the parents feel the worst kind of guilt and betrayal, and they are NOT the only ones. Can you imagine? I can. No thanks, no gurus for me. The only kind of guru I might revere is someone who would chase you away with a broom. It's time to stop following, cut out the middle man for god's sake.
Oh and Floyd, what video link? I might take a peek
There is way too much evidence of Mr. Babas predilections, and he seldom gave the special audience to women.
Good luck to him on his life review.
It is true we are seing a lot of hasty exits, but I won't be missing him. Sorry.
Maybe he can hook up with Mother Theresa and start a new clinic where you don't have to be nearly dead to get a biscuit.
I think I need to add to this that I hold no truck wirh peadophilia. I don't see how ruining even one person's life with that behaviour justifies opening a hospital or inspiring other essentially good people to do more good. We need to be our OWN motivators. He may have said this is what he wanted others to do but actions speak, and he ran a tightly heirarchical spiritual gulag.
I know a little too much about a family who rose quite high in the ranks of Mr Buba becuase he was grooming and later abusing their gorgeous son. The boy was confused, his parent's revered Mr Shmuck like a GOD, he tried to tell them many times, they could not take it in, but the son had to. Literally.
Now the parents feel the worst kind of guilt and betrayal, and they are NOT the only ones. Can you imagine? I can. No thanks, no gurus for me. The only kind of guru I might revere is someone who would chase you away with a broom. It's time to stop following, cut out the middle man for god's sake.
Oh and Floyd, what video link? I might take a peek
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Well - All I was basically saying was ; "Tatah - Happy Trails - We got It from here..."
That and We are to be Our own Guru now...
Don't read so much into at least what I've said. Carry on though...
That and We are to be Our own Guru now...
Don't read so much into at least what I've said. Carry on though...
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Floyd- Posts : 4104
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anomalous cowherd wrote:A lot of little boys will sleep easier with Sai gone bye bye. There is no smoke without fire, and power corrupts.
There is way too much evidence of Mr. Babas predilections, and he seldom gave the special audience to women.
Good luck to him on his life review.
It is true we are seing a lot of hasty exits, but I won't be missing him. Sorry.
Maybe he can hook up with Mother Theresa and start a new clinic where you don't have to be nearly dead to get a biscuit.
I think I need to add to this that I hold no truck wirh peadophilia. I don't see how ruining even one person's life with that behaviour justifies opening a hospital or inspiring other essentially good people to do more good. We need to be our OWN motivators. He may have said this is what he wanted others to do but actions speak, and he ran a tightly heirarchical spiritual gulag.
I know a little too much about a family who rose quite high in the ranks of Mr Buba becuase he was grooming and later abusing their gorgeous son. The boy was confused, his parent's revered Mr Shmuck like a GOD, he tried to tell them many times, they could not take it in, but the son had to. Literally.
Now the parents feel the worst kind of guilt and betrayal, and they are NOT the only ones. Can you imagine? I can. No thanks, no gurus for me. The only kind of guru I might revere is someone who would chase you away with a broom. It's time to stop following, cut out the middle man for god's sake.
Oh and Floyd, what video link? I might take a peek
A very interesting watch. Oddly it disappeared from my post over night so here it is again AC
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aMuse- Posts : 5
Join date : 2010-11-23
Location : UK
Please note my replies in bold
Im not really interested in Icke
Then why hide behind Icke - and his most ludicrous theory - in your original post, what was one to think? If you have a point to make, then make it. If you don't rate Icke, why would you cite Icke?
If you watch the video below you will find the allegations against him to be quite convincing.
When I read all your replies it was convincing that you only know how to be sarcastic, especially when you experience some form of cognitive dissonance and you seem to be quite selective in what you choose to respond to - ignoring any items that directly contradict the point you are trying to make - if you ignore it you think it doesn't count, convinced you're 100% right and anyone that doesn't agree must be 100% wrong - and you use the Buddha as your avatar - which is hilarious.
As an aside, I wondered if you might have got a little titillated by that video. How many times did you watch it?
I've seen some of the footage and heard the allegations and they are awful. If he is guilty then he will be judged by his own belief system (Karma). However as much as I love humanity, I think that there are lots and lots of people in the world that would do anything for anything material. I'm not launching into a socio economic discussion but you have to ask what people might gain by alleging horrible things
If I built a hospital for the sick and poor then asked you to give me a blow job would you still view me as a saint?
Did I happen to write that he was a saint? I don't think so, in fact I think if you had any integrity you would have read the entire reply and concede that I said that he helped a lot of people AND that he was a human being. At no point did I mention canonisation or beatification did I?
However having said that, I am fairly certain that most of humanity would suck the respective genetalia of anyone who was in a position of power and authority. For why? Probably for money, recognition, extortion, blackmail, attention, power-trip, daddy issues etc.
I think what you failed to get is he did a lot of good despite what his human failings may or may not have been. And now is a time for mourning and for those that managed to find good from his life and example, to feel sad about it.
You only picked on the few points out of context that suited your agenda.
That may be the case but the jury is out on him and now he is dead he can never be prosecuted. Perhaps he is both saint and sinner. It does happen you know.
I never used the word Saint - You did - and you're trying to put the wrong words in my mouth. I believe I used the word Human. You chose to ignore. I had a friend like you, couldn't argue or debate for toffee. I eventually had to tell him to go away and grow up. He picks a point and whatever you say, his cognitive dissonance refuses any swaying of opinion - despite cogent argument - and his perspective never ever grows beyond his current tiny perspective. He eventually became a total pain in the butt and though I tend to miss people that come and go from my life, I am so thankful he is no longer in my life and I never want him back again. He seemed almost possessed of a mean and nasty spirit, yet talked of morality and ethics like he was the epitome for humanity to aspire to.
Thanks for responding, I will not be coming back to this thread. It is not my job to defend what I think, and feel, or for that matter Sai Baba. But my ego just needed some way to express these words to the Universe. You just provided the canvas.
Peace Out
Im not really interested in Icke
Then why hide behind Icke - and his most ludicrous theory - in your original post, what was one to think? If you have a point to make, then make it. If you don't rate Icke, why would you cite Icke?
If you watch the video below you will find the allegations against him to be quite convincing.
When I read all your replies it was convincing that you only know how to be sarcastic, especially when you experience some form of cognitive dissonance and you seem to be quite selective in what you choose to respond to - ignoring any items that directly contradict the point you are trying to make - if you ignore it you think it doesn't count, convinced you're 100% right and anyone that doesn't agree must be 100% wrong - and you use the Buddha as your avatar - which is hilarious.
As an aside, I wondered if you might have got a little titillated by that video. How many times did you watch it?
I've seen some of the footage and heard the allegations and they are awful. If he is guilty then he will be judged by his own belief system (Karma). However as much as I love humanity, I think that there are lots and lots of people in the world that would do anything for anything material. I'm not launching into a socio economic discussion but you have to ask what people might gain by alleging horrible things
If I built a hospital for the sick and poor then asked you to give me a blow job would you still view me as a saint?
Did I happen to write that he was a saint? I don't think so, in fact I think if you had any integrity you would have read the entire reply and concede that I said that he helped a lot of people AND that he was a human being. At no point did I mention canonisation or beatification did I?
However having said that, I am fairly certain that most of humanity would suck the respective genetalia of anyone who was in a position of power and authority. For why? Probably for money, recognition, extortion, blackmail, attention, power-trip, daddy issues etc.
I think what you failed to get is he did a lot of good despite what his human failings may or may not have been. And now is a time for mourning and for those that managed to find good from his life and example, to feel sad about it.
You only picked on the few points out of context that suited your agenda.
That may be the case but the jury is out on him and now he is dead he can never be prosecuted. Perhaps he is both saint and sinner. It does happen you know.
I never used the word Saint - You did - and you're trying to put the wrong words in my mouth. I believe I used the word Human. You chose to ignore. I had a friend like you, couldn't argue or debate for toffee. I eventually had to tell him to go away and grow up. He picks a point and whatever you say, his cognitive dissonance refuses any swaying of opinion - despite cogent argument - and his perspective never ever grows beyond his current tiny perspective. He eventually became a total pain in the butt and though I tend to miss people that come and go from my life, I am so thankful he is no longer in my life and I never want him back again. He seemed almost possessed of a mean and nasty spirit, yet talked of morality and ethics like he was the epitome for humanity to aspire to.
Thanks for responding, I will not be coming back to this thread. It is not my job to defend what I think, and feel, or for that matter Sai Baba. But my ego just needed some way to express these words to the Universe. You just provided the canvas.
Peace Out
anomalous cowherd- Posts : 611
Join date : 2010-04-14
oh dear, I probably just dislike gurus and cults in general, my opinions are probably FAR more inflammatory than Floyd's, and that is, if you abuse anyone in your quest and subsequent LYING in state of power, you ain't worth the things you achieve. Ends do NOT justify the means if you abuse a child, it simply means the person is NOT an empath, and that is not someone I would admire, let alone follow. Boundaries are useful at times.
burgundia- Posts : 5520
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Location : Poland
I dislike gurus and cults in general too...(just a remark)
anomalous cowherd- Posts : 611
Join date : 2010-04-14
YEEEE HAWWW what a relief, and for the record, it upsets me when people fall for someone like the latest Shamantastic-plastic injun guru Little Fraudmugger just as much. These people are very clever at selling you back your OWN GODHOOD and charge you double for it.
Marketing, as Bill Hicks said, if you are in that business...
Marketing, as Bill Hicks said, if you are in that business...
Floyd- Posts : 4104
Join date : 2010-04-16
Well well aMuse (I think you should have named yourself aHole as it would have been far more appropraiate) what a horrid little person you are.
Let me get this right. You barge into this form with a new identity without introducing yourself and in a faceless and cowerdly manner start laying into me in a rather classless rant. Do you have an axe to grind by any chance?
I will answer your nonsense in blue
Then why hide behind Icke - and his most ludicrous theory - in
your original post, what was one to think? If you have a point to make,
then make it. If you don't rate Icke, why would you cite Icke?
Just because I know about Ickes views on Sai baba doesnt mean I have to have any interest Icke. Im aware of the Conservatives Party's views on the Labour Party but I dont follow them, and I have never read their manifesto. Its not only Icke who had these views on Baba so he was just an example really. So what you say is really pointless and you are getting your pantys in a twist over nothing.
As an aside, I wondered if you might have got a little titillated by that video. How many times did you watch it?
So you think I may have been titilalated by a video featuring two men severely traumatised by being raped by Sai baba. What a sick classsles pratt you are. FYI I watched it once. That was enough.
Did I happen to write that he was a saint? I don't think so, in
fact I think if you had any integrity you would have read the entire
reply and concede that I said that he helped a lot of people AND that he
was a human being. At no point did I mention canonisation or
beatification did I?
Thats right you didnt but you did say this look at the millions of people his hospitals helped and the millions of
people he healed with his miracles and medicine. I know that everyone on
this forum also helps millions of people and devotes their entire lives
to serving humanity, implying that you think the sun shines out of his arse which it most certainly does not. It is also no justification to force himself on young men.
You chose to ignore. I had a friend like you, couldn't argue or debate for toffee.
I dont think you had a friend like me as you have never met me. I would think it is you that has to review their debating skills rather than me as you are are seemingly next to useless at it. This is evident by you resorting to an insulting and personal attack on me which demonstrates you have neither class nor style. I thought you may understand this point fully if you recieved a taste of your own medicine. I most certainly am relieved I dont have anyone of your ilk in my circle of friends
I will not be coming back to this thread.
This is excellent news. I find your energy signature , abusive, agressive and sly, so go back to where you crawled out of and spout of your rubbish among your own kind.
Goodbye aHole
Let me get this right. You barge into this form with a new identity without introducing yourself and in a faceless and cowerdly manner start laying into me in a rather classless rant. Do you have an axe to grind by any chance?
I will answer your nonsense in blue
Then why hide behind Icke - and his most ludicrous theory - in
your original post, what was one to think? If you have a point to make,
then make it. If you don't rate Icke, why would you cite Icke?
Just because I know about Ickes views on Sai baba doesnt mean I have to have any interest Icke. Im aware of the Conservatives Party's views on the Labour Party but I dont follow them, and I have never read their manifesto. Its not only Icke who had these views on Baba so he was just an example really. So what you say is really pointless and you are getting your pantys in a twist over nothing.
As an aside, I wondered if you might have got a little titillated by that video. How many times did you watch it?
So you think I may have been titilalated by a video featuring two men severely traumatised by being raped by Sai baba. What a sick classsles pratt you are. FYI I watched it once. That was enough.
Did I happen to write that he was a saint? I don't think so, in
fact I think if you had any integrity you would have read the entire
reply and concede that I said that he helped a lot of people AND that he
was a human being. At no point did I mention canonisation or
beatification did I?
Thats right you didnt but you did say this look at the millions of people his hospitals helped and the millions of
people he healed with his miracles and medicine. I know that everyone on
this forum also helps millions of people and devotes their entire lives
to serving humanity, implying that you think the sun shines out of his arse which it most certainly does not. It is also no justification to force himself on young men.
You chose to ignore. I had a friend like you, couldn't argue or debate for toffee.
I dont think you had a friend like me as you have never met me. I would think it is you that has to review their debating skills rather than me as you are are seemingly next to useless at it. This is evident by you resorting to an insulting and personal attack on me which demonstrates you have neither class nor style. I thought you may understand this point fully if you recieved a taste of your own medicine. I most certainly am relieved I dont have anyone of your ilk in my circle of friends
I will not be coming back to this thread.
This is excellent news. I find your energy signature , abusive, agressive and sly, so go back to where you crawled out of and spout of your rubbish among your own kind.
Goodbye aHole
anomalous cowherd- Posts : 611
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Classic Floyd response!
Why on earth do people fall for these sorts of conmen and women? Is taking responsibility for one's own divinity AND their shadow that hard?
One minute into the BBC doc, it is written all over the Bubba's face what a self serving, sly, dare I say reptilian? cheap trickster he is, and not even a good prestidigitator.
I despair for humanity when the masses (or anyone) think this guy is God in a bod, jeesh... he even makes his own bad self vomit.
Why on earth do people fall for these sorts of conmen and women? Is taking responsibility for one's own divinity AND their shadow that hard?
One minute into the BBC doc, it is written all over the Bubba's face what a self serving, sly, dare I say reptilian? cheap trickster he is, and not even a good prestidigitator.
I despair for humanity when the masses (or anyone) think this guy is God in a bod, jeesh... he even makes his own bad self vomit.
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Small person giving good advice,
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Whatever your personal view on these famous gurus, one thing is a given: the ahsrams they set up provide refuge for thousands of crazy people, people who are better not left to wander the streets (care in the community anyone?)... it will be interesting to see what depths the ashram can plummet to now Sai Baba has left his latest physical body, look what happened to Osho's place since..
Looks like Amma is left holding the fort, long live Amma!
Looks like Amma is left holding the fort, long live Amma!
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anomalous cowherd wrote:Classic Floyd response!
Why on earth do people fall for these sorts of conmen and women? Is taking responsibility for one's own divinity AND their shadow that hard?
One minute into the BBC doc, it is written all over the Bubba's face what a self serving, sly, dare I say reptilian? cheap trickster he is, and not even a good prestidigitator.
I despair for humanity when the masses (or anyone) think this guy is God in a bod, jeesh... he even makes his own bad self vomit.
AC if you want to see some real magick tricks check out Tommy Cooper. Much Better than God
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anomalous cowherd wrote:Classic Floyd response!
Why on earth do people fall for these sorts of conmen and women? Is taking responsibility for one's own divinity AND their shadow that hard?
well, yes, taking responsibility for your own divinity is very hard for most people, if not all of us! Many are afraid and seek those with similar views to give them the comfortable misconception that they arent alone, and those of us that do walk our pwn path dont have too many roadmaps to help us along.
The yogis describe many paths, and the ones involving self awareness are the hardest. The easiet path is bhakti yoga, and then you need to completely surrender to something or some one else, hence the need for a guru (or mother therasa used christ for example).. preferably one you can trust, but its the act of surrender that is key in the process, not the guru, or the teachings.
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I can see the spiritual use for surrender, but surrender to oneself, and situations in life that require it. Basically having a guru and following is choosing to let go of your personal responsibility. Your integrity will only be as good as the mortal you follow. Can you really trust a public figure? It would seem the political and spiritual world of charismatics is much the same at the root.
I have had first hand experience of someone with AMAZING super powers, far exceeding the tricks used by Sigh BooBoo. The guy turned a sealed beer can into water (no wine available), knew things about people seemingly IMPOSSIBLE to know, controlled fire, caused some spontaneaous healings, pulled objects out of thin air, danced like a demon, caused visions in people's heads , some say even enlightened them, gave them super powers themselves and far more peculiar stories too numerous to mention.
All these happenings caused people to believe the man himself to be enlightened. I think these abilities and tricks are called "siddhis" (or to some psychic sport)and people mistakenly assume that person is closer to god with these powers. In fact what it means is energy is flowing and they are able to tap into it. What I saw happen was arch manipulation and some very damaging outcomes, and in some cases lifetime damage and destruction, a few suicides perhaps as well, hard to tell.
Luckily, the above wonder boy, pissed on his chips one too many times and there is a thick file on him with police in London. Slippery customer that he is, he evades prosecution so far, and continues to sell books. I learned a lot seeing this all unfold and the power structure of people on the sidelines jostling for central positions. All very $piritual... but the guy wasn't so much into money, power was the game.
Investigating cults is probably a good idea for anyone tempted to follow anything other than your own nose, if not, you may end up with a brown one.
From my observations, I would say the human ego can not accomodate high levels of power given to them by others without causing corruption, if indeed it was not latent (or intended) in the first place.
Rise and shine!
I have had first hand experience of someone with AMAZING super powers, far exceeding the tricks used by Sigh BooBoo. The guy turned a sealed beer can into water (no wine available), knew things about people seemingly IMPOSSIBLE to know, controlled fire, caused some spontaneaous healings, pulled objects out of thin air, danced like a demon, caused visions in people's heads , some say even enlightened them, gave them super powers themselves and far more peculiar stories too numerous to mention.
All these happenings caused people to believe the man himself to be enlightened. I think these abilities and tricks are called "siddhis" (or to some psychic sport)and people mistakenly assume that person is closer to god with these powers. In fact what it means is energy is flowing and they are able to tap into it. What I saw happen was arch manipulation and some very damaging outcomes, and in some cases lifetime damage and destruction, a few suicides perhaps as well, hard to tell.
Luckily, the above wonder boy, pissed on his chips one too many times and there is a thick file on him with police in London. Slippery customer that he is, he evades prosecution so far, and continues to sell books. I learned a lot seeing this all unfold and the power structure of people on the sidelines jostling for central positions. All very $piritual... but the guy wasn't so much into money, power was the game.
Investigating cults is probably a good idea for anyone tempted to follow anything other than your own nose, if not, you may end up with a brown one.
From my observations, I would say the human ego can not accomodate high levels of power given to them by others without causing corruption, if indeed it was not latent (or intended) in the first place.
Rise and shine!
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