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    Post  Guest Fri Apr 16, 2010 6:09 am

    malletzky wrote:
    btw...SDA, I read the article you linked us to. Thanks for the pointer. But I must, as I did this with David Icke, almost completely dismiss the presented. Too much angst, too much fear from the reptilians/draconians. The things have changed...

    Nothing is as it used to be...and the way we "vibrate" (talking about the energy matching here) is where we will find ourselves and whom we'll interact with when the appropriate time (THE SHIFT) comes.

    Therefore, don't blaim anyone or anything. BE you, BE souverain if you decide to, but BE. Don't allow other to decide for you what you should BE.

    with much respect

    Mall...

    Hi Mall

    I agree with you that there is no point in blaming. Blaming only disempowers the blamer. To stay in our power we have to own our reality totally and understand all the elements that may be involved.

    With regards to the link, it was inserted as means to explain the behaviour of some of the people. People can get auric implants and attachements that control them not only at an astral level but, many have also microchips that controls their behaviour. Knowing the totality of the interplay in the cosmos is not aim to create fear, for fear is a disempowering response that create chaos...and hence play on the hands of those that are harvesting those energies. To deny the existance of destructive forces will be the equivalent to say there are no nights in this planet, it is part of our reality. We fear what we don't know or what we know is there with our higher senses but we can not bring our mind to accept it because it is too painful. Knowledge is true power because it gives us the choice on how we are going to respond to the circumstances we are facing

    Humanity's predicament is hard and the more we know about what is happening behind the scenes, like satanism and body snatching; the more we can empower ourselves and learn how to deal with this things. But we are no victims and there is no point in blaming

    I think that there are god and possitive draconians and reptilians, like the Seraphin races. But there are also other reptilians and draconians that have chosen to polarize themselves on the opposite path of expression and believe humans are their cattle, which makes one think about our own abuse of the light fields of planet Earth. I am fine with that and the array of grey in the middle which include many humans that are helping them as the Illuminati do too

    Everyone is entitled to chose their path and bear the consequences, that is what free will is about. Source love all its creation for all is inside source, but the preference of source is for its expressions, or faces to embrace the path of joy.

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    Post  Guest Fri Apr 16, 2010 6:28 am

    mp3 wrote:
    stardustaquarion wrote:No, my point is that there are many people that are not as wise as you and don't have soveregnity over themselves. I consider myself a sovereing being and refuse entry to anything that is not in resonance with source so I know what you mean

    But it is my personal oppinion that many in Avalon where infiltrated and played against each other to a frenzy which went beyond reason for what it was at the core. That can be explained by the strategy the reptilians have on brain control and possession. I personally think that is happening more and more as the secret services try to debunk forums like avalon to stop the general public from accessing information on what may be happening

    I myself live and let live, accept other peoples decision regarding what choices they do.

    We may have a slight misalignment on definition. To me, Sovereignty is a "Be", not a "Have". Meaning you are a sovereign, not a being who has sovereignty. It's a trick the PTB use to get us to lesson ourselves. They say they will grant us certain rights, for consideration (payment) of course. That's a scam, because as free beings, we don't need anything granted to us. If you are free, you are free. If you are "given" freedom, then are or recently were, a slave.

    We agree that sovereignity is about being and no one can make you free. We are slaves here but even then we can be free if we chose to be free. It is a state of conscioussness not something that can be given

    My perspective doesn't discount that Avalon was infiltrated, but only the passive role of the infiltratees, if I may coin a word. Free will as a sovereign being is paramount, as I see things, and would only be abrogated or abridged with consent. Even where that consent was achieved through trickery or deceit, there would still have to have been consent, on some level. This to me, extends to all of the activities of any negatively oriented entities as well, meaning they would need permission to do what they do, and if they are doing it, they have permission.

    The problems is that as humans we are not tought in school that we have an auric field that has many layers or that we have chakras that are vortices which are breathing energy in and out of our anatomy so what happens normally ( and I will refer here to my direct experience as energy healer) is that our fields are open and our chakras too. That is an "invitation" to predators

    Most people have some sort of field attachement they vary in size and form that are sucking energy from their souls. This is common and it is not new which is why there were always shamans. The problems of humanity started many hundreds of thousands of years ago.

    As a healer, I have observed how people get better and change their behaviour when the attachements and astral worms are removed and then they learn how to have auric awarenes and sense energy so they can do it themselves. Same with the fifteen chakras


    We are responsible for our aura in the same way we are responsible for our physical bodies but if we are not told there is more to life than the physical body, how people can remember these things and become responsible for the totality of their aura or fields?

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    Post  TRANCOSO Tue Apr 20, 2010 2:16 pm

    Slowly but surely the hardcore PA1 family is gathering at MoA.
    Let's keep the house clean!
    Viva Free Speech!
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    Post  eleni Tue Apr 20, 2010 4:35 pm

    I personally don't feel PA1 was infiltrated- I just think the forum was left in the charge of the wrong hands and the Thuban material was too challenging and Bill et al read into it too much. I read the first several pages of the material but it's too complicated for me LOL, I prefer the Zen of things- I also support free speech and have zero interest in being part of a policed forum.
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    Post  Balance Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:16 pm

    mp3 wrote:

    We may have a slight misalignment on definition. To me, Sovereignty is a "Be", not a "Have". Meaning you are a sovereign, not a being who has sovereignty. It's a trick the PTB use to get us to lesson ourselves. They say they will grant us certain rights, for consideration (payment) of course. That's a scam, because as free beings, we don't need anything granted to us. If you are free, you are free. If you are "given" freedom, then are or recently were, a slave.

    I know you didn't take the idea of having sovereignty to the place of being something that is given or taken or reserved to oneself or surrendered. That was my addition. But from my perspective, Sovereign is what we are. Things we have, which demonstrate that we are sovereigns, is "authority", "seniority", "command", "free will", etc.

    My perspective doesn't discount that Avalon was infiltrated, but only the passive role of the infiltratees, if I may coin a word. Free will as a sovereign being is paramount, as I see things, and would only be abrogated or abridged with consent. Even where that consent was achieved through trickery or deceit, there would still have to have been consent, on some level. This to me, extends to all of the activities of any negatively oriented entities as well, meaning they would need permission to do what they do, and if they are doing it, they have permission.

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    Post  TRANCOSO Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:16 pm

    eleni wrote:I personally don't feel PA1 was infiltrated- I just think the forum was left in the charge of the wrong hands and the Thuban material was too challenging and Bill et al read into it too much. I read the first several pages of the material but it's too complicated for me LOL, I prefer the Zen of things- I also support free speech and have zero interest in being part of a policed forum.
    It's 'interesting' to notice that most members of PA2 seem to be fine with the 'tyranny' - in Love & Light - of the PA Mod-Police.

    To me, after all that happened during the last weeks of PA1, becomming an 'invited member' of PA2 was completely out of the question. What happened to Avalon? - Page 2 39782
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    Post  Majorion Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:51 pm

    In just my humble opinion, having dealt with similar situations on other forums as to what occurred with AV...

    I think they made AV2 invite-only because there was an increasing problem with sock puppets on AV1, and I'm sure there are other reasons I'm unaware of, but this is probably the main. When a forum is 'open' like that it leaves a lot of room and its very easy for disruption to occur. I think this culminated with the Thuban material, people divided over what constitutes free-speech, my understanding is that some folks felt 'offended' or 'attacked' by the material - while others were lax about it, and as most decision-making would have been behind-the-scenes, I think most people, including some of the mods at the time, felt left-out and this caused yet another problem. Add the fact Bill and Kerry, the forum co-founders, also happened to disagree and were going their own problems at the exact same time, perhaps for many of the same reasons. Meanwhile, Avalon was at the center of all this, only natural that its members were the ones most affected.
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    Post  Anchor Tue Apr 20, 2010 6:44 pm

    I am coming round to the conclusion that PA1 was getting too successful for its own good on the spiritual side of things and there was getting to be far away from the traditional doom, gloom and fear-mongering.

    At its recent peak, around December 2009, PA1 seemed to be to be expressing a higher than usual order, a high degree of harmony and tolerance among a large number of members and as such was regularly processing through the matrix of that group some pretty cool and spiritually relevant information and ideas, such as about who we are and the tangible freedoms we can all experience – and the importance of being free from the shackles of fear based programming.

    Such things are an anathema to the PTB, but in this case they did not have to act.

    In my view, it was this aspect of harmony and tolerance that attracted the Thuban material in the first place and then later the anti-thuban. A classic duality catalyst – one which MyPlanet2 accurately identified before most people had really got a handle on what was going on as a massive learning opportunity. It was and still is when you read it all quite fascinating.

    The PTB didn’t have to infiltrate the forum. There were enough people who were unable to tolerate the new energetic expressions in the aforementioned harmonious manner and their reaction tore the place apart – the manifestation of the anti-thuban material was the fatal bullet. This was the evident disorder that gave Bill & those un-misted moderators willing to act all the ammunition to get the mandate necessary to take the actions taken.

    As all this was going down, PA2 had been planned and was in the works for a long time. I even played my part in its creation and Gareth and I were the ones that initially decided to give VB4 a try. However, for me, it was the radical nature of Bill's intervention in the Kinsuemei2 case and not the Thuban process that made me realise how this was all going to pan out in the future. PA2 was not looking spiritually fertile.

    The public exchanges between Bill and Kerry was an obvious bullet in PA’s body; but what really was starting to be more obvious was the direction that Bill wanted to take and the idea of moderating the forum as the running a "private party", from which we could eject anyone who was not contributing in the manner supported by the “wise elders” who were in Bills’ eyes the moderating team – to the extent that privileged information would (and was) shared with the moderators for judgment – a role that I had clearly stated to everyone on the team I would refuse to play. Ultimately it was this change in direction that concluded with me resigning as moderator and nothing much to do with the way in which the Thuban thing went down – though it was certainly the last straw. It was clear to me that when PA2 finally did arrive, it was not going to be a forum I wanted to moderate, but one I may like to “contribute” to when I feel ready and after the dust had settled.

    The timing was such that PA2 did provide a timely opportunity to get out of the PA1 mess with a “clean sweep”.
    However, in my view it will be very hard to gain the qualities that had been expressed in PA1. I note they are already drifting back to the old fear based doom and gloom stomping grounds together with highly critical and judgmental treatment of various researcher and whistle blower players.

    That is why I am posting here.

    If there is any forum that has a chance to allow the transplanted harmonious matrix from PA1 to take root, it is this one.

    AJ..


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    Post  mudra Tue Apr 20, 2010 7:27 pm

    Anchor wrote:I am coming round to the conclusion that PA1 was getting too successful for its own good on the spiritual side of things and there was getting to be far away from the traditional doom, gloom and fear-mongering.

    At its recent peak, around December 2009, PA1 seemed to be to be expressing a higher than usual order degree of harmony and tolerance among a large number of members and as such was regularly processing through the matrix of that group some pretty cool and spiritually relevant information and ideas about who we are and the tangible freedoms we can all experience – and the importance of being free from the shackles of fear based programming.

    Such things are an anathema to the PTB, but in this case they did not have to act.

    AJ..

    I believe you made a pretty good analysis of the situation Anchor.

    Personnally I see the fact that the Spiritual section of Avalon is not open to guests in PA2 as an outpoint.
    And this is my main reason not to join there coupled with the fact that I could'nt think of any place in the universe
    where I would open a sanctuary that is not opened to all.

    I asked one the mods at PA2 lately why that choice had been made and this was Gareth 's answer to that :

    [9:55:41 AM] Gareth: k...just for clarity. the idea behind hiding those few sections to non-members is that those ones seemed to draw the most scathing of comments outside the forum. by restricting access to members that hopefully will put a halt to that.


    This does'nt make sense to me.
    In my opinion and from more than a year experience in PA Spirituality and the members supporting it allowed for a constant breath of oxygen within the community as well as peacefull and compassionate relationships and is what made PA so special .

    I received more than one testimony of people that told me they decided to join Avalon because they found it's Spiritual section an inspiring one .

    The new settings will drag a complete new public to PA as the open windows shows no signs of spirtitual matters discussed on that forum .
    People will go there to debate politics, conspirational theories and earth changes .

    Darkness left unbalanced by a poor spirituality section is an open door to fear and gloom imo and possibly not the wisest move .

    Luckily enough the Spiritual Heart of Avalon is kept burning here now in the Mists.

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    Post  eleni Tue Apr 20, 2010 8:32 pm

    Doom and gloom, everyone will exit their physical vehicle anyhow- it's best to concentrate on raising one's spiritual vibration so when the physical body does make that exit,
    well you end up where you need to be. That happens anyhow but I'd rather concentrate on creating positive realities even if I am caught up in latest earth change/earth drama reports LOL......

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