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    Post  Raven Tue Oct 19, 2010 11:38 am

    investigator wrote: lol! Thuban material. I have no idea what that means Raven, but I fully support your right to free speech.

    Investigator thank you, you are a bit more savvy then most :) If you really look at the word Thuban, you may discern its true meaning and not run scared like most.
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    Post  Mercuriel Tue Oct 19, 2010 11:52 am

    Thuban...

    Thuban (α Dra, α Draconis, Alpha Draconis) is a star (or star system) in the constellation of Draco. A relatively inconspicuous star in the night sky of the Northern Hemisphere, it is historically significant as having been the north pole star in ancient times.

    Even though Thuban carries the Bayer designation Alpha Draconis, at apparent magnitude 3.65 it is 3.7 times fainter than the brightest star in the constellation, Gamma Draconis (Etamin), whose apparent magnitude is 2.24. Thuban is not bright enough to be viewed from light-polluted areas.

    Given good viewing conditions, Thuban is relatively easy to spot in the night sky, due to its location in relation to the Big Dipper asterism of Ursa Major. While it is well known that the two outer stars of the 'dipper' point to the modern-day pole star Polaris, it is less well known that the two inner stars, Phecda and Megrez, point to Thuban, just 15 degrees of arc from Megrez.

    From - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thuban


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    Post  Guest Tue Oct 19, 2010 11:58 am

    Raven, please help me here...so you are saying that Kavassilas is Luciferian? and is this a Luciferians vs Reptilians game? Hypnotize

    What can those that are neither expect to happen to them? It is all rather confusing...who else maybe luciferian and who represents the Reptilians?

    Are all pleiadians Luciferians?
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    Post  Raven Tue Oct 19, 2010 12:50 pm

    YES all ETs are Luciferians in disguise; BUT they understand a lot more about the symbols and the cosmic history of themselves than humans do.

    No Kavassilas is NOT Luciferian he 'fights' Lucifer. He is a forgetful human, who has experienced hints of remembrance of his origins and he is confused.
    He is 'attacking' his own shadows.

    All HUMANS ARE both IN THE 'MESS OF EARTH' IN PREGNANCY AND IN THE 'disembodied state' as ETs of many intelligences.

    So ALL humans are at 2 places at the same time, but most cant make any sense of their bilocations, because they are stuck in a 26,000 year agenda of the ETs of hiding themselves from themselves.

    Here is an example of this from the Dark Crystal Movie




    At the time of the great convergence,

    the Mystics come out of their mountain hideaway

    in order to heal the broken crystal.

    The greedy Skeksis will become integrated,

    as humanity returns to its seat of goodness once more.

    So the human self empowerment defeats the devils as unreal images of the real dark origins like reptilian brain stem biologically. But the ET agenda is not evil. The Evil is purely human made in the belief in devils and demons and whatever. Those devils and demons have INDEED become real as thought forms, but cannot do anything unless the humans empower them.

    The thing Kavassilas got absolutely RIGHT is that ALL ETs are imaged in the lifeforms on Gaia. We are Image makers, in the Image of the creator.

    So PART of the ETs are already here incarnated as humans, the other part is like 'Spock and Data' of Startrek.

    So with all the information and data overload occurring right now, one has to be descerning and able to pluck the Pearls of Wisdom from all of it.

    Most importantly the EVIL on earth is like a lion killing an antelope. Its the screw up in the creation from the old adam-eve distortion that results in the need for survival, food etc.

    So the Starwars of the Old Races are played out say when one group of chimpanzees invades the territory of another group killing them for territory - sound familiar? Or ant colonies or world wars or Israelis versus Palestinians and many other worldy dramas. Hope this helps somewhat and doesn't confuse you further.


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    Post  Lionhawk Tue Oct 19, 2010 1:08 pm

    Oh Boy! pale

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    Post  burgundia Tue Oct 19, 2010 1:33 pm

    Lionhawk wrote:Oh Boy! pale


    Ditto.... Shocked
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    Post  Brook Tue Oct 19, 2010 2:06 pm

    Who did the biggest "psych" job in the last 100 years?

    Hitler.

    He had a whole nation believing they were a pure superior race.

    And who is the Father of Archetypes?

    Carl Jung.


    Archetypes are, according to Swiss psychiatrist Carl Jung, innate universal psychic dispositions that form the substrate from which the basic symbols or representations of unconscious-experience emerge. 'The archetype is a tendency to form such representations of a motif - representations that can vary a great deal in detail without losing their basic pattern...They are indeed an instinctive trend '[1]. Thus for example 'the archetype of initiation is strongly activated to provide a meaningful transition...with a "rite of passage" from one stage of life to the next'[2]: such stages may include being parented, initiation, courtship, marriage and preparation for death.[3]




    And more on Archetypes............


    An archetype (pronounced /ˈɑrkɪtaɪp/)is an original model of a person, ideal example, or a prototype upon which others are copied, patterned, or emulated; a symbol universally recognized by all. In psychology, an archetype is a model of a person, personality, or behavior.In philosophy, archetypes since Plato at least, refer to ideal forms of the perceived or sensible things or types.In the analysis of personality, the term archetype is often broadly used to refer to

    1. a stereotype—personality type observed multiple times, especially an oversimplification of such a type,
    2. an epitome—personality type exemplified, especially the "greatest" such example, or
    3. a literary term to express details.
    Archetype refers to a generic version of a personality. In this sense "mother figure" may be considered an archetype and may be identified in various characters with otherwise distinct (non-generic)personalities.
    And lets look at "Logos"......
    Although the term "Logos" is widely used in this Christian sense, in academic circles it often refers to the various ancient Greek uses, or to post-Christian uses within contemporary philosophy, Sufism, and the analytical psychology of Carl Jung.

    Did I see that right? Logos is used as the contemporary philosophy of Carl Jung?

    Lets look further.....As the basis of almost all of the Thuban material is based on the Archetypes and Logos....stressed heavily...and used to influence the material brought forth by them.

    So lets take a further look at Mr. Carl Jung, who spend the latter part of his life defending himself as NOT being a Nazi sympathizer.

    He would make this statement.....

    Jung's reply was:<blockquote class="templatequote">We do not know whether Hitler is going to found a new Islam. He is already on the way; he is like Mohammed. The emotion in Germany is Islamic; warlike and Islamic. They are all drunk with wild god. That can be the historic future.[45]



    </blockquote>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Jung
    Jung and his professional organizations from 1933 to 1939

    In 1933, after the Nazis gained power in Germany, Jung took part in restructuring of the General Medical Society for Psychotherapy (Allgemeine Ärztliche Gesellschaft für Psychotherapy), a German-based professional body with an international membership. The society was reorganized into two distinct bodies:

    1. A strictly German body, the Deutsche Allgemeine Ärztliche Gesellschaft für Psychotherapie, led by Matthias Heinrich Göring, an Adlerian psychotherapist [48] and a cousin of the prominent Nazi Hermann Göring;
    2. International General Medical Society for Psychotherapy, led by Jung. The German body was to be affiliated to the international society, as were new national societies being set up in Switzerland and elsewhere.[49]

    And who exactly is this Hermann Goring?......

    Hermann Wilhelm Göring (or Goering;[2] German pronunciation: [ˈɡœʁɪŋ] (George Kavassilas - contactee on photon belt, 5D earth, ascension - Page 2 13px-Speaker_Icon.svg listen); 12 January 1893– 15 October 1946)[1] was a German politician, military leader, and a leading member of the Nazi Party. He was a veteran of the First World War as an ace fighter pilot, and a recipient of the coveted Pour le Mérite ("The Blue Max"). He was the last commander of Jagdgeschwader 1, the air squadron of Manfred von Richthofen, "The Red Baron".In 1935 Göring was appointed Commander-in-Chief of the Luftwaffe (or German Air Force), a position he was to hold until the final days of the Second World War. By mid-1940, Göring was at the peak of his power and influence. Hitler had promoted him to the rank of Reichsmarschall,making Göring senior to all other Wehrmacht commanders, and in 1941Hitler designated him as his successor and deputy in all his offices.By 1942, with the German war effort stumbling on both fronts, Göring's standing with Hitler was very greatly reduced. Göring largely withdrew from the military and political scene to enjoy the pleasures of life asa wealthy and powerful man. After the Second World War, Göring was convicted of war crimes and crimes against humanity at the Nuremberg Trials. He was sentenced to death by hanging, but committed suicide by cyanide ingestion the night before he was due to be hanged.
    And who was Adlerian?

    His most famous concept is the inferiority complex which speaks to the problem of self-esteem and its negative effects on human health (e.g. sometimes producing a paradoxical superiority striving).

    And more on Carl Jung............

    Archetypes and psychology

    Archetypal psychology was developed by James Hillman in the second half of the 20th century. It is in the Jungian tradition and most directly related to Analytical psychology, yet departs radically. Archetypal psychology relativizes and deliteralizes the ego and focuses on the psyche, or soul, itself and the archai,the deepest patterns of psychic functioning, "the fundamental fantasies that animate all life" (Moore, in Hillman, 1991). Archetypal psychology is a polytheistic psychology, in that it attempts to recognize the myriad fantasies and myths—gods,goddesses, demigods, mortals and animals—that shape and are shaped by our psychological lives. The ego is but one psychological fantasy within an assemblage of fantasies.Hillman was trained at the Jung Institute and was its Director after graduation. The main influence on the development of archetypal psychology is Carl Jung's analytical psychology. It is strongly influenced by Classical Greek, Renaissance, and Romantic ideas and thought. Influential artists, poets, philosophers, alchemists, and psychologists include: Nietzsche, Henry Corbin, Keats, Shelley, Petrarch, and Paracelsus. Though all different in their theories and psychologies, they appear to be unified by their common concern for the psyche—the soul.

    Can you say Psyche Job?

    Isn't this interesting?


    Jung continued to publish books until the end of his life, including Flying Saucers: A Modern Myth of Things Seen in the Skies, which analyzed the archetypal meaning and possible psychological significance of the reported observations of UFOs
    Lets see now...UFO equals archetypal meaning.......?
    Rhythm of the Heat" (Security,1982), tells about Jung's visit to Africa, during which he joined agroup of tribal drummers and dancers and became overwhelmed by the fear of losing control of himself. At the time Jung was exploring the concept of the collective unconscious and was afraid he would come under control of the music.


    So Carl Jung understood that the theory of Archetype and Collective unconscious could "control".....This to me would be of great importance to a man who wanted to take over the world with a superior race of superior beings.....Hitler and his psych job did a number on the world...and now the Thubans have taken the works of Carl Jung, and moved it to another level indeed. Wink

    Thubans = Carl Jung = psychic job


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    Post  Guest Tue Oct 19, 2010 2:26 pm

    Thanks Raven, loved the dark crystal clip and in a mystical way I think I have got your message, we are indeed divided, should we therefore seek integration?

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    Post  Guest Tue Oct 19, 2010 2:39 pm

    Very deep and interesting remarks Brook, I see how the 4th Reich is alive an well and has permeated not only the New Age movement but all spheres of life

    My biggest issue perhaps resides on the archetype concept...only 22 and we are billions. It is not surprising that we humans are so disfunctional when we are trying to squeeze ourselves into only 22 types Neutral no wonder we are all unhappy and neurotic!

    But great strategy to disempower humans, I have to admit the Illuminati are very clever

    You make a very interesting remark about music...I do believe in the power of music

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    Post  Brook Tue Oct 19, 2010 3:03 pm

    Andromeda wrote:Very deep and interesting remarks Brook, I see how the 4th Reich is alive an well and has permeated not only the New Age movement but all spheres of life

    My biggest issue perhaps resides on the archetype concept...only 22 and we are billions. It is not surprising that we humans are so disfunctional when we are trying to squeeze ourselves into only 22 types Neutral no wonder we are all unhappy and neurotic!

    But great strategy to disempower humans, I have to admit the Illuminati are very clever

    You make a very interesting remark about music...I do believe in the power of music

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    And this business of being divided into 22 different parts....well excuse me..but I would like to remain "one" with the creator. And will do so, regardless what some group of people have decided is best for them. Let them all walk their path.....and may they choose wisely Wink
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    Post  Mercuriel Tue Oct 19, 2010 3:07 pm

    And isn't it stranger still that ;

    - We have 22 Chromosones in Our DNA.

    - Ancient Aramaiic began with 22 Characters patterned after Constellations and was a Magical Language to begin with.

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    Post  Brook Tue Oct 19, 2010 3:18 pm

    Mercuriel wrote:And isn't it stranger still that ;

    - We have 22 Chromosones in Our DNA.

    - Ancient Aramaiic began with 22 Characters patterned after Constellations and was a Magical Language to begin with.

    albino

    That is interesting Wink
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    Post  Raven Tue Oct 19, 2010 5:07 pm

    LOGOS=WORD of God AS God's Intelligence
    God defined himself in the begining. AKA (first archetype/symbol)

    John.1
    [1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    Andromeda, there are many archetypes, take the alphabet for example, it has 26 letters, each one a symbol on its own. The idea that we are only made of 22 master archetypes is in error.




    Psychology, myth, anthropology


    Campbell's thinking on universal symbols and stories was deeply influenced by James Frazer (The Golden Bough), Adolf Bastian, and Otto Rank (The Myth of the Birth of the Hero), among others.





    Anthropologist Leo Frobenius was important to Campbell’s view of cultural history.Campbell's ideas regarding myth and its relation to the human psyche are dependent in part on the pioneering work of Sigmund Freud, but in particular on the work of Carl Jung, whose studies of human psychology, as previously mentioned, greatly influenced Campbell. Campbell's conception of myth is closely related to the Jungian method of dream interpretation, which is heavily reliant on symbolic interpretation.Jung's insights into archetypes were in turn heavily influenced by the Bardo Thodol (also known as The Tibetan Book of the Dead). In his book The Mythic Image, Campbell quotes Jung's statement about the Bardo Thodol, that it "belongs to that class of writings which not only are of interest to specialists in Mahayana Buddhism, but also, because of their deep humanity and still deeper insight into the secrets of the human psyche, make an especial appeal to the layman seeking to broaden his knowledge of life... For years, ever since it was first published, the Bardo Thodol has been my constant companion, and to it I owe not only many stimulating ideas and discoveries, but also many fundamental insights."[18]Comparative religion

    Campbell relied often upon the writings of Carl Jung as an explanation of psychological phenomena, as experienced through archetypes. But Campbell did not necessarily agree with Jung upon every issue, and had very definite ideas of his own.A fundamental belief of Campbell's was that all spirituality is a search for the same basic, unknown force from which everything came, within which everything currently exists, and into which everything will return. This elemental force is ultimately “unknowable” because it exists before words and knowledge. Although this basic driving force cannot be expressed in words, spiritual rituals and stories refer to the force through the use of "metaphors"—these metaphors being the various stories, deities, and objects of spirituality we see in the world. For example, the Genesis myth in the Bible ought not be taken as a literal description of actual events, but rather its poetic, metaphorical meaning should be examined for clues concerning the fundamental truths of the world and our existence.[19]Accordingly, Campbell believed the religions of the world to be the various, culturally influenced “masks” of the same fundamental, transcendent truths. All religions, including Christianity and Buddhism, can bring one to an elevated awareness above and beyond a dualistic conception of reality, or idea of “pairs of opposites,” such as being and non-being, or right and wrong. Indeed, he quotes in the preface of The Hero with a Thousand Faces: "Truth is one, the sages speak of it by many names."—which is a translation of the Rig Vedic saying, "Ekam Sat Vipra Bahuda Vadanthi."


    BTW Freud was a Jew and Joseph Campbell an American, if culture reference is somehow important to you.

    Heroes and the monomyth



    The role of the hero figured largely in Campbell's comparative studies. In 1949 The Hero with a Thousand Faces introduced Campbell's idea of the monomyth (as stated above, a word borrowed from Joyce), outlining some of the archetypal patterns that Campbell recognized. Heroes were important to Campbell because, to him, they conveyed universal truths about one's personal self-discovery and self-transcendence, one's role in society, and the relation between the two.Campbell explores the theory that important myths from around the world which have survived for thousands of years all share a fundamental structure, which Campbell called the monomyth. In a well-known quote from the introduction to The Hero with a Thousand Faces, Campbell summarized the monomyth:
    A hero ventures forth from the world of common day into a region of supernatural wonder: fabulous forces are there encountered and a decisive victory is won: the hero comes back from this mysterious adventure with the power to bestow boons on his fellow man.[2]

    The Masks of God

    Campbell's four-volume work The Masks of God covers mythology from around the world, from ancient to modern. Where The Hero with a Thousand Faces focused on the commonality of mythology (the “elementary ideas”), the Masks of God books focus upon historical and cultural variations the monomyth takes on (the “folk ideas”). In other words, where The Hero with a Thousand Faces draws perhaps more from psychology, the Masks of God books draw more from anthropology and history. The four volumes of Masks of God are as follows: Primitive Mythology, Oriental Mythology, Occidental Mythology, and Creative Mythology.




    Brook wrote:
    So Carl Jung understood that the theory of Archetype and Collective unconscious could "control".....This to me would be of great importance to a man who wanted to take over the world with a superior race of superior beings.....Hitler and his psychic job did a number on the world...and now the Thubans have taken the works of Carl Jung, and moved it to another level indeed. Wink

    Thubans = Carl Jung = psychic job
    Indeed Brook a race of superior beings is about to take over the world, its called the Divine within us aka Christ consciousness.

    Thubans = Carl Jung = psychic job. YES brook, good observation here, you SEE how humanity has deluded itself just like you are doing now. Lookout its a BIG RED TRUCK omg RUN!!!

    Brook, if your going to compare Thuban to Hitler, let me make one distinction very clear, we don't actually burn bodies, just minds with WORDS.

    WORDS=SWORD=Excalibur of Merlin=I AM THAT I AM=95

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    Post  Brook Tue Oct 19, 2010 5:27 pm

    Brook,if your going to compare Thuban to Hitler, let me make one distinctionvery clear, we don't actually burn bodies, just minds with WORDS.

    There ya go with the psych job.........putting "words" where there are none.....I did not say Thubans= Hitler

    I said Thubans = Carl Jung= psych job. But you have done a darn good job proving my theory with your post...thanks for the validation
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    Post  SuiGeneris Tue Oct 19, 2010 5:29 pm

    Andromeda wrote:Thanks Raven, loved the dark crystal clip and in a mystical way I think I have got your message, we are indeed divided, should we therefore seek integration?

    Flowers

    Yes. It's all about integration not exclusion, division or separation.

    That is why so long humans see the evil only "out there", and judge and condemn in their self-righteous attitudes... they won't be able to activate their "chariots of Light" or Merkabah Lightbodies. You can't run from "evil lucifer" or Kali...etc. There is no place to hide really since it lives in you. We all have "the devil" inside.

    Look in the mirror and find that aspect of yourself that needs to be mastered...NOT killed... but "tamed"... and then you'll be able to "fly your Dragon"
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    In order to go back to oneness, you need to be "whole" again... and you can't be whole if you are still polarized and incomplete... even if it's positive polarized as in "love and light" only. The only way to achieve true wholeness is by integrating ALL aspects of you into ONE... again.


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    Post  starninja Tue Oct 19, 2010 6:02 pm


    Thank you Brook for your very perceptive post. I love the way you think. I didn’t know that Adler was a cousin of Goering. Very interesting,indeed.
    I have never been interested in Jung’s theory, particularly, theory of archetypes. The concept of archetypes has never ringed a ball. Thank you for taking it to a deeper level. Interestingly enough, Carolyn Myss explored further Jung’s concept of archetypes. She developed epilepsy that Lady Queenborough in her book Occult Theocracy called as a second stage of spiritual madness.

    Well, they are quite clever in controlling us. When I started connecting the dots and saw how psychology is used to control us I was mad.
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    Post  Brook Tue Oct 19, 2010 6:35 pm

    Look in the mirror and find that aspect of yourselfthat needs to be mastered...NOT killed... but "tamed"... and thenyou'll be able to "fly your Dragon"

    So I need to be "tamed".....to be able to "fly". Interesting...I already fly. And my Merkaba is strong. And I'll be darned if anyone is going to tame me. To jump through hoops. Never.....I am a free sovereign human being.

    As long as I am in alignment with the creator...I will fly with the best of them...and I do not need to join any dragon cult that tells me I have the devil inside to be "tamed".

    You can be whole without drawing aspects that don't belong. And when you decide to "integrate" Lucifer...well you might as well call yourself a slave to madness.

    Walk your path Thubans...but do not try to simplify by lies. As to draw in Lucifer as an aspect of yourself is a lie. It is only you who would "allow" Lucifer into yourself that you walk a very dark path indeed.

    I will remain on the path of true light...and not some false concept. Created by a guy that cannot accept his own theory. Fear that he would be drawn into the music and lose himself...does that not say it all? Lose yourself in this illusion if you must. But do not once try to convince us that we must "integrate" Lucifer to achieve "Christ consciousness"
    It does not wash.

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    Post  Lionhawk Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:38 pm

    SuiGeneris wrote, "Yes. It's all about integration not exclusion, division or separation. "

    I'm a little confused here. Maybe a lot. Maybe totally. Like my aspects are all over the place. I guess that could happen when you get blasted with a beam weapon that came from Thuban, you know the sub station in the Alpha Draconis sector. Talk about swords. I now have 4 of them. The real ones that will lop your head off type. 2 Katanas and two broad swords. I was walking the walk of a peaceful warrior till you Thubans came along. Thubans equal Reptilians equal Draconians. You Thuban agents are not working for a Christ consciousness at all. You are working for a Reptilian consciousness. I could care less about all the analogies be who it is from. We can skip all the Carl Jungs and the Hitlers and just get to the real point without all the dressing called words. It is about integration. Integration of total control over this Planet. This "aspect" crap is about separation and division. It sets the stage. Maybe you can take a paint brush and say everyone is fragmented and has all these aspects. Then again, maybe not all of us are fragmented and have all these flippin aspects all over the place. Maybe some of us are whole and maybe more than you realize.

    You, the Thuban agents, are only trying to open a door for further harvestation of souls on this Planet. Matter of fact you have opened that door successfully.

    So someone had run into a mod with control issues and that Mod rejected you. Isn't that calling the damn kettle black when your council didn't like what I had to say and you pulled the big guns out. I'm still breathing if you haven't noticed. Your actions weren't warranted at all. Talk about control issues and now we are being plagued by Thuban agents who spread their version of oneness with out dated second hand texts. Acting as though they know who God is and with that, Jesus.

    This updated program of the same old Reptilian mind is F in boring. Lucifer is not one of my aspects. That is disinformation if I have ever heard it. You agents need to go back to school and get a real update. Jesus is not one of my aspects. Jesus is Jesus for God's sake. I think you folks are mad in the head. Why not have everyone have their own consciousness? Come to their own full potential of that upon their own free will without all these buzzards looking to further prey on what the Creator had intended in the first place?

    All that needs to be done here is recognize the behaviors and if your memories are in place, you will see these behaviors existed back then. Let me show you the real mirror. From Antiquity. Your kind has compiled a karmic debt that you are not able to pay. You were granted the time to make it right but instead you further compiled more debt. You have hijacked technology that was in alignment with the Creator's will and have abused every gift he/she honored us with. The will and I mean the will of those that you have exploited in this Universe, that honor the gifts of the Creator, you could not entirely wipe out, although you have tried. That very will is going to point the mirror back onto you in such a way that you will have no further choice to exercise. Your threads on a soul level are so dim now that with the right solar wind, they will just snap. Where this Universe is heading, is going to leave you behind, allowing you to feed on yourselves. Because we won't be here for you to further feed on.

    It's like this....the deadline of your kind is coming up very soon. You will not be allowed to escape. You think you got a way out and you think you can get away. Not this time. Personages are in place and the noose is getting tighter. The judgment is that you will not change your ways and you can not be allowed to further abuse the Creator's own ascension to the next level. You will recycle yourselves. Just as Lucifer did in our lifetime. Ra warned you to do the right thing. Jesus warned you. Hell, everyone who is aware has warned you. Yet your resolve is to refuse. Your free agency will be honored.

    And you want to be my friend? Not with the field of integrity any of you reptilians presently hold. I already know what is in your mind. Maybe you think you can just bamboozle everyone with your sophisticated answers coming from 11.5. It damn sure isn't coming from above 12. Where all this crap is coming from is between 4. and 4.5. You don't have me fooled. You have shown me your true colors and they are not about Love or Light. Mirror that!

    Better get updated on Lucifer's current status. Jesus as well.... but I already know you won't be able to, because of your sophisticated limits of the soul.

    Integrate that!
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    Post  Raven Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:42 pm

    The True Lucifer, being the Serpent of Eden as the Melchizedek aka the World Logos (check out the apocryphon or secret book of John in the Nag Hammadi Gnostic Library) cannot even be recognized in Duality. So all of your 'intuitive feelings from the heart' are rather likely to 'fail' as your 'gut instincts' conditioned by your life's journey across whatever time scales of incarnation.

    So the Logos Fire is very hot and burns the chaff from the little wheat and the 'old ways' of 'discernment' are in jeopardy in poroportion to your Mental Understanding coupled to your Inborn worldy Wisdom (in the clichee' of the Yin-Yang partition of the male-female hemispheres of the brain say).


    Matt.3

    [11] I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

    [12] Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

    Revelation


    [16] I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

    GOT: Nag Hammadi

    5) Jesus said, "Recognize what is in your sight, and that which is hidden from you will become plain to you . For there is nothing hidden which will not become manifest."
    10. Jesus said, "I have cast fire upon the world, and look, I'm guarding it until it blazes."

    11. Jesus said, "This heaven will pass away, and the one above it will pass away.
    The dead are not alive, and the living will not die. During the days when you ate what is dead, you made it come alive. When you are in the light, what will you do? On the day when you were one, you became two. But when you become two, what will you do?"


    (13) Jesus said to his disciples, "Compare me to someone and tell me whom I am like."
    Simon Peter said to him, "You are like a righteous angel."
    Matthew said to him, "You are like a wise philosopher."
    Thomas said to him, "Master, my mouth is wholly incapable of saying whom you are like."
    Jesus said, "I am not your master. Because you have drunk, you have become intoxicated from the bubbling spring which I have measured out."
    And he took him and withdrew and told him three things. When Thomas returned to his companions, they asked him, "What did Jesus say to you?"
    Thomas said to them, "If I tell you one of the things which he told me, you will pick up stones and throw them at me; a fire will come out of the stones and burn you up."

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    Post  Carol Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:46 pm

    The first brain cells that the fetus develops is in the heart. It is only with the heart one understands truth. From spiritual master in the East when I was first practicing meditation we learned the mantra - neti, neti, neti - not this, not this, not this. The goal was to pierce through illusion and discover the truth of one's beingness. When all is said and done - and when all is stripped away - what is left is pure conscious awareness or awareness conscious of itself.


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    Post  Brook Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:59 pm

    The True Lucifer,being the Serpent of Eden as the Melchizedek aka the World Logos (checkout the apocryphon or secret book of John in the Nag Hammadi GnosticLibrary) cannot even be recognized in Duality.So all of your 'intuitive feelings from the heart' are rather likely to'fail' as your 'gut instincts' conditioned by your life's journeyacross whatever time scales of incarnation.

    So the Logos Fireis very hot and burns the chaff from the little wheat and the 'oldways' of 'discernment' are in jeopardy in poroportion to your MentalUnderstanding coupled to your Inborn worldy Wisdom (in the clichee' ofthe Yin-Yang partition of the male-female hemispheres of the brain say).


    Preaching again? My oh my.....I'm so scared.
    geek

    More "jungian" analisys.......

    A Diagnosis and Proposed Treatment of the Jungian Religious Disease

    The Symbiotic Jungian Relationship with the New Age

    Some contemporary Jungians (e.g., David Tacey) have written books and articles stumping for a revised Jungian (and at times, human)perspective on religion. Many Jungians find the association of Jungianism with New Age spiritualities not only dismaying,embarrassing, and unfortunate but also dangerous and potential destructive for Jungianism. I agree with this position, but I have not seen enough fundamental differentiation of and from New Age ideas and obsessions, even in these Jungian critics, to really catalyze change on this front. What I see in the Jungian unconscious regarding its religiosity and New Ageism is a much deeper, more pandemic issue of the Jungian shadow than is more widely acknowledged. As is so often the case, when it comes to Jungian religiosity (and religious quackery)there are not "just a few bad apples". The problem is systemic, and the draw of New Age thinking and spirituality is written into our souls. It is not merely "those people over there"; this shadow is universally Jungian and we all contribute to it in some way.
    In other words, I wish to point toward an internal source of this problem, and that source is the spiritual hunger that burbles within all of those people drawn to Jungianism. It may be impossible to have it both ways, to have and cherish this hunger and also not have it lead to numerous perversions and delusional obsessions and misdirections. At least some of this straying is inevitable . . . and I think the best we can do is to first acknowledge that this is our collective shadow for which we are responsible and then to try to more effectively analyze and understand our spiritual hunger.
    Of course, it has always been known to Jungians (and Jung addressed this pointedly himself) that spiritual hunger is problematic because it leads (most of the time, even) to some form of delusion and/or self-demolition. We use the term "inflation" most commonly . . . and in Jung's most detailed writing about the spiritual individuation experience (in Two Essays on Analytical Psychology), he even states that some degree of this inflation is inevitable in any individuation process where "the unconscious is assimilated". ButJungian thinking on the issue of inflation has, if anything, regressed since Jung's important but still fairly vague reflections on the issue. As I have bemoaned repeatedly since before the beginning of Useless Science, inflation is a terribly bungled issue in Jungianism .. . and it is reasonable to assume that this bungling is largely a matter of Jungians characteristically suffering from some degree of inadequately addressed and still unconscious inflation. Most Jungian literature that address inflation (in patients, but never in analysts!)takes a very condemning stance. Inflation is the Jungian bogeyman. But we need to be able to look at it more constructively and talk about it more honestly and intelligently if we are to ever treat the Jungian shadow or the problem of our New Ageyness.The issue of inflation is related to another facet of the New Ageproblem in Jungianism. The superficial reason that Jungianism attracts so many religiously flaky and delusional people is that it offers an attractive system of valuation of unconscious contents, visions, and fantasies. It promises awakenings and approvals of inwardness . . .and it delivers very nicely on that promise. But the deeper (and rather less attractive) reason it draws so many New Agers is that the Jungian model of individual seems to lack (and generally does lack) a sense of systematic discipline. There are very few if any observable markers that describe an individuant. No one really knows what individuation is, even Jungian analysts . . . and so no one places any regulations or standards on it. Jungian individuation is just another occult, tribal mysticism where learning the lingo and assuming the posture is indistinguishable from any "real" growth or transformation. The Jungian language in which individuation is discussed (a notably mystical and religious one) is simply too vague and cannot set specific definitions on individuation.http://uselessscience.com/blog/2009/10/atheism-jungianism-2/
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    Post  Raven Tue Oct 19, 2010 8:07 pm

    Carol wrote:The first brain cells that the fetus develops is in the heart. It is only with the heart one understands truth. In the East when I was first practicing meditation we learned the mantra - neti, neti, neti - not this, not this, not this. The goal was to pierce through illusion and discover the truth of one's beingness. When all is said and done - and when all is stripped away - what is left is pure conscious awareness or awareness conscious of itself.

    Indeed Carol, and this is what we would call stripping away of duality, the awareness of our superconscious self or in other terms Christ Consiousness. The heart is not the only organ capable of understanding the truth, we have a mind as well, its a balance of both the MIND=FATHER, HEART=MOTHER, BALANCE and in knowing this we truely birth our consciousness.
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    Post  Carol Tue Oct 19, 2010 8:14 pm

    There is supra-conscious mind/god-mind and ego-mind. The ego-mind is the trickster (coyote) and often can deceive. Which is why it is so important to strip ego-mind away. When in the presence of Christ, there are no words as one is in a state of awe. The ego-mind is the wall that prevents singularity and it is the ego-mind that creates duality. One does not need intellect to experience Christ-consciousness. One just - is.

    I share this from personaly experience and from having spent hundreds if not thousands of hours in meditation dealing with ego-mind. However, when sigularity occurs it is a spontaneous happening and a gift of grace.


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    Post  TRANCOSO Wed Oct 20, 2010 12:43 am

    Lionhawk wrote:Oh Boy! pale
    I couldn't have said it any better, Lionhawk.
    'Oh Boy!'

    I've always kept/keep in the back of my mind that this whole PA1/PA2 showdown was staged, just to see whom would follow 'the Leader(s)' - Bill & His Priesthood of Mods - & whom wouldn't.

    The latter 'group' (the Rebels With a Cause, who united in 'the Mists') being far more interesting than the 'sheep', because the 'RWaC - MoA' are the people with a mind of their own.

    (Devide & Conquer - and keep your friends close, but your enemies even closer.)

    Now, just suppose this is the case, something odd & interesting happened: the Mists of Avalon became a non-moderated forum, where everyone posts as (s)he likes - as long as it wasn't 'arty' porn (Carol - Starninja Wink) - & this forum hasn't blown up itself - yet!

    Meaning that TPTB's (supposed) experiment - & its predicted outcome, has taken an unexpected U-turn.

    Following the line of this supposed experiment, I've noticed that there have been attempts by 'trolls' to infiltrate the MoA, in order to devide its members.

    And then something very peculiar happened: because there were no moderators (Power Egos) to step in, devide, ban & conquer, the infiltrating 'troll' operation ended up without any (predicted) result.

    Ergo: If no one wants to controle anybody else in a community - forum, & the members of that community have the basic civilisation to mind their own businnes & avoid clashes with those members whose opinions don't match with their own, people can actually get along quite well.

    n.b. I had never visited this thread before & was amazed what I read. To be quite honest I think we all should be proud of ourselves that we've kept this experiment (forum) alive, the way we do.

    For there is true knowledge here.
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    Post  starninja Wed Oct 20, 2010 1:39 am

    TRANCOSO,
    If you didn’t keep me busy watching you tread, I would let my spirit fly high. lol!

    You can always make me smile. sunny

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