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    WikiLeaks' Afghan War Diary, 2004-2010

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    Post  newel Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:03 pm



    Webster Tarpley on the WikiLeaks' Afghan War Diary

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxCjprXXuQc&feature=PlayList&p=B145DF19BF742F98&index=0&playnext=1

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    Post  Anchor Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:24 pm

    enemyofNWO wrote:"I'm constantly annoyed that people are distracted by false conspiracies such as 9/11"

    I actually interpreted this statement as nothing sinister.

    I think he is referring to a lot of idiotic crap that is said about 9/11 the "conspiracy theories" - many of which could be psyops to discredit the core notion that anything was false about with the official story in the first place. So I will readily agree with him that they are a distraction for many people. He is not dismissing its status as a false-flag terror event that is the one of the core conspiracies of our time. He should have worded it better perhaps.

    I like him. I think what wiki leaks has done so far can only help us with the shift to a new paradigm

    John..

    (I accept I could be wrong about this though - I'm not so sure - wikileaks has done a lot to discredit TPTB)


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    Post  pineal-pilot-in merkabah Thu Jul 29, 2010 8:20 am

    Floyd wrote:I wonder if it was leaked accidently on purpose.
    yes floyd the guy assange doestn beleive in 9/11 ect. they have a board of directors. webster tarpley aS USUAL amasses an amzing amountof info in double quick time. i never looked a t wkil leaks site, i didnt like the namke from day one. its good to see tha alternative media are sitting on the fence obseving whilst the main stream are jumping straight on it. disinfo honeypot fits the b ill imo
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    Post  pineal-pilot-in merkabah Thu Jul 29, 2010 8:49 am

    enemyofNWO wrote:Is Wikileaks a classic gatekeeping operation ?


    http://kevboyle.blogspot.com/2010/07/wikileakswikipedia-truth-serving-lies.html
    i think so to. it stinks. totally tows the main stream line, osama is alive and here are your excuses to attack pakistanh.. classic baiting.
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    Post  pineal-pilot-in merkabah Sat Jul 31, 2010 11:00 am

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEqWtfnGDdU&feature=PlayList&p=BB5F7E56C6647A75&index=0

    jay weidner is again spot on .. he thinks as i do wiki leaks is a psy op from within to destroy whats left of america and make it a hated nation to the rest of the world.. job done imo.
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    Post  enemyofNWO Fri Aug 06, 2010 12:35 pm

    According to Cliff High , Wikileaks is going to release the US plan of attack of Iran the 10th of August .
    Cliff says that there are about 90 days before all hell break loose .
    Definite worth reading

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    Post  mudra Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:20 pm

    Wikileaks, Legitimate Whistleblowers or CointelPro?
    August 7, 2010 by Alex

    http://theintelhub.com/2010/08/07/wikileaks-whistleblowers-cointelpro/

    I have received multiples tips from our sources that indicate Wikileaks is part of a massive government operation. Rather than posting an article with quotes from sources that must remain unnamed, I have decided to let what we know about Wikileaks speak for itself.

    Wikileaks and their founder, Julian Assange have been the focus of intense media scrutiny for what has been dubbed the “New Pentagon Papers.” With all the attention focused on how they received the information and what it means, most media outlets have overlooked some very important questions. Who is Julian Assange and how has Wikileaks managed to out run both the CIA and NSA? Why has the world elite stood by and let a group fronted by a former hacker release information that is perceived to damage them? Is it possible that Wikileaks has been set up as a shill group, used to spread misinformation on a massive scale?

    From its inception, Wikileaks has been hailed as a mysterious entity, capable of exposing government corruption on every level. Even more mysterious, Wikileaks founder and public face, Julian Assange, has been able to out maneuver multiple federal agency’s on his supposed quest for truth. Alternative news outlets across the globe have applauded Wikileaks for its exposure of our disastrous military policies and there implications for the people of Afghanistan. Basically,Wikileaks has been given a free pass within the “truther” community. In our info battle against this so called “New World Order,”[Old World Order] we tend to overlook the shady tendencies of the people and groups we perceive to be allies. Clearly this is the case with Julian Assange and his supposed release of classified material. Could Wikileaks be a well place group of Cointelpro Agents, started not only to take the spotlight off other, more legitimate whistleblowers, but to be used as a pawn in order to demonize all whistleblowers as potential threats to national security?

    Recently, Wikileaks released the Afghan War Logs, which documented multiple operations that killed a high number of civilians, “secret” operations/units, a rise in Taliban attacks on NATO, and perhaps most importantly the perception that the Pakistani intelligence service has aided the enemy by double crossing NATO forces and passing intelligence to the Taliban.
    A common theme has emerged from the revelations brought forth by the Afghan War Logs, a theme that does more good than harm to the government its supposed to be exposing.

    Let’s start with the evidence in the logs which revealed that U.S. forces were responsible for thousands of civilian deaths. Similar to the video, Collateral Murder, this evidence does nothing but incite anger towards individual U.S. soldiers while shielding the real enemies, most notably the offshore banking cartel that is actively working towards the destruction of our beloved Constitution in order to implement a tyrannical world government. As shown, these type of leaks only further the hatred that many Muslims have towards whom they deem the oppressors. When you see your family murdered, the fact that groups such as Hamas, and Al Qaeda were created by western intelligence agencies most likely does not play into your decision to join a terrorist group.

    Another revelation brought forth by the Afghan War Logs is the supposed rise in attacks on NATO forces by the Taliban. This information is very beneficial to the forces that have invaded Afghanistan. Support for the Afghan war continues to decrease, and to counter that the government needs to show the public that the terrorists are just as deadly and mysterious as before. From the beginning ,the Afghan war has been a lie, started on the false pretense that cave dwelling terrorists pulled off one of the most deadly terrorists attack in American history. The CIA, along with the Mossad and MI6, have a long history of staging terror attacks, whether it be 9/11, 7/7, or the multiple bombings that happen daily throughout the middle east. While that may be hard to swallow for some, these facts are documented in hundreds of research papers as well as the internal documents of the intelligence agencies involved.

    Perhaps the most sinister information brought forth by the war logs is the claim that the Pakistani ISI are working in cohesion with the Taliban. The suggestion by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton that the ISI has known and hidden the whereabouts of top Al Qaeda members is nothing more than a ploy to push for more drone attacks, as well as a possible troop deployment inside Pakistan. As reported in the New York Times, the logs go as far as claiming that members of the ISI have worked with the Taliban to organize groups of militants! War propaganda anyone?

    As reported by Wayne Madsen, Wikileaks is most likely a Mossad/CIA front. Its hard to argue with that claim as everything put forward by Wikileaks has been, for the most part, beneficial to the world elite.

    WMR has confirmed Young’s contention that Wikileaks is a CIA front operation. Wikileaks is intimately involved in a $20 million CIA operation that U.S.-based Chinese dissidents that hack into computers in China. Some of the Chinese hackers route special hacking program through Chinese computers that then target U.S. government and military computer systems. After this hacking is accomplished, the U.S. government announces through friendly media outlets that U.S. computers have been subjected to a Chinese cyber-attack. The “threat” increases an already-bloated cyber-defense and offense budget and plays into the fears of the American public and businesses that heavily rely on information technology. Article
    If in-fact the government was in fear of more “leaked” documents wouldn’t logic suggest they just shut down the WikiLeak Site? An article in The Sydney Morning Herald contains the following quote,
    “That the President already had authority under the Communications Act to “cause the closing of any facility or station for wire communication” when there is a “state or threat of war”,

    The most scary aspect of this whole psi op is the fact that there is now an open call to ban whistleblowers and in extremely instances execute them! Republican Congressman Mike Rogers has openly declared that all whistleblowers should be tried for treason and then executed. Rogers strongly indicated that Daniel Ellsberg, who released the Pentagon Papers, should have been executed when he released his classified information on the history of the United States political and military involvement in Vietnam.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgO1eGdgAwE&feature=player_embedded



    more at the link: http://theintelhub.com/2010/08/07/wikileaks-whistleblowers-cointelpro/

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    Post  enemyofNWO Tue Aug 10, 2010 3:02 am

    According to some media reports , the US government wants to talk to Mr.Assange .
    This person has recently given interviews to CNN and other media organizations .
    How is it possible that Mr Assange has so much freedom to travel if the US government wants to " talk " to him ?
    Compare his situation with my wife and I . We cannot go 100 metres out of our home without been " monitored " and subjected to " Psy- ops " .
    The point to this is that if the " Government " wanted , it could talk anytime to Mr. Assange . The government can track and find any person anywhere if it wants . Apart , of course , Mr Osama Bin Laden and Mr Assange .
    Something does not compute .
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    Post  TRANCOSO Wed Aug 11, 2010 12:56 pm

    Something Stinks About Wikileaks
    By F. William Engdahl
    8-11-10

    Since the dramatic release of a US military film of a US airborne shooting of unarmed journalists in Iraq, Wiki-Leaks has gained global notoreity and credibility as a daring website that releases sensitive material to the public from whistleblowers within various governments. Their latest 'coup' involved alleged leak of thousands of pages of supposedly sensitive documents regarding US informers within the Taliban in Afghanistan and their ties to senior people linked to Pakistan's ISI military intelligence. The evidence suggests however that far from an honest leak, it is a calculated disinformation to the gain of the US and perhaps Israeli and Indian intelligence and a coverup of the US and Western role in drug trafficking out of Afghanistan.

    Since the posting of the Afghan documents some days ago the Obama White House has given the leaks credibility by claiming further leaks pose a threat to US national security. Yet details of the papers reveals little that is sensitive. The one figure most prominently mentioned, General (Retired) Hamid Gul, former head of the Pakistani military intelligence agency, ISI, is the man who during the 1980's coordinated the CIA-financed Mujahideen guerilla war in Afghanistan against the Soviet regime there. In the latest Wikileaks documents, Gul is accused of regularly meeting Al Qaeda and Taliban leading people and orchestrating suicide attacks on NATO forces in Afghanistan.

    The leaked documents also claim that Osama bin Laden, who was reported dead three years ago by the late Pakistan candidate Benazir Bhutto on BBC, was still alive, conveniently keeping the myth alove for the Obama Administration War on Terror at a point when most Americans had forgotten the original reason ssthe Bush Administration allegedly invaded Afghanistan to pursue the Saudi Bin Laden for the 9/11 attacks.

    Demonizing Pakistan?
    The naming of Gul today as a key liaison to the Afghan 'Taliban' forms part of a larger pattern of US and British recent efforts to demonize the current Pakistan regime as a key part of the problems in Afghanistan. Such a demonization greatly boosts the position of recent US military ally, India. Furthermore, Pakistan is the only muslim country possessing atomic weapons. The Israeli Defense Forces and the Israeli Mossad intelligence agency reportedly would very much like to change that. A phoney campaign against the politically outspoken Gul via Wikileaks could be part of that geopolitical effort.

    The London Financial Times says Gul's name appears in about 10 of roughly 180 classified US files that allege Pakistan's intelligence service supported Afghan militants fighting Nato forces. Gul told the newspaper the US has lost the war in Afghanistan, and that the leak of the documents would help the Obama administration deflect blame by suggesting that Pakistan was responsible. Gul told the paper, "I am a very favourite whipping boy of America. They can't imagine the Afghans can win wars on their own. It would be an abiding shame that a 74-year-old general living a retired life manipulating the Mujahedeen in Afghanistan results in the defeat of America."

    Notable, in light of the latest Afghan Wikileaks documents, is the spotlight on the 74-year-old Gul. As I wrote in a previous piece, 'Warum Afghanistan? Teil VI: Washingtons Kriegsstrategie in Zentralasien', published this June on this website, Gul has been outspoken about the role of the US military in smuggling Afghan heroin out of the country via the top-security Manas Air Base in Kyrgyzstan.

    As well, in a UPI interview on September 26, 2001, two weeks after the 9-11 attacks, Gul stated, in reply to the question who did Black Sept. 11?, "Mossad and its accomplices. The US spends $40 billion a year on its 11 intelligence agencies. That's $400 billion in 10 years. Yet the Bush Administration says it was taken by surprise. I don't believe it. Within 10 minutes of the second twin tower being hit in the World Trade Center CNN said Osama bin Laden had done it. That was a planned piece of disinformation by the real perpetrators" Gul is clearly not well liked in Washington. He claims his request for travel visas to the UK and to the USA have repeatedly been denied. Making Gul into the arch enemy would suit some in Washington nicely.

    Who is Julian Assange?
    Wikileaks founder and self-described 'Editor-in-chief', Julian Assange, is a mysterious 29-year-old Australian about whom little is known. He has suddenly become a prominent public figure offering to mediate with the White House over the leaks. Following the latest leaks, Assange told Der Spiegel, one of three outlets with which he shared material from the most recent leak, that the documents he had unearthed would "change our perspective on not only the war in Afghanistan, but on all modern wars." He stated in the same interview that '"I enjoy crushing bastards." Wikileaks, founded in 2006 by Assange, has no fixed home and Assange claims he "lives in airports these days."

    Yet a closer examination of the public position of Assange on one of the most controversial issues of recent decades, the forces behind the September 11, 2001 attacks on the Pentagon and World Trade Center shows him to be curiously establishment. When the Belfast Telegraph interviewed him on July 19, he stated, "Any time people with power plan in secret, they are conducting a conspiracy. So there are conspiracies everywhere. There are also crazed conspiracy theories. It's important not to confuse these two...." What about 9/11?: "I'm constantly annoyed that people are distracted by false conspiracies such as 9/11, when all around we provide evidence of real conspiracies, for war or mass financial fraud." What about the Bilderberg Conference?: "That is vaguely conspiratorial, in a networking sense. We have published their meeting notes."

    That statement from a person who has built a reputation on being anti-establishment is more than notable. First, as thousands of physicists, engineers, military professionals and airline pilots have testified, the idea that 19 barely-trained Arabs armed with box-cutters could divert four US commercial jets and execute the near-impossible strikes on the Twin Towers and Pentagon over a time period of 93 minutes with not one Air Force NORAD military interception, is beyond belief. Precisely who executed the professional attack is a matter for genuine unbiased international inquiry.

    Notable for Mr Assange's blunt denial of any sinister 9/11 conspiracy is the statement in a BBC interview by former US Senator, Bob Graham, who chaired the United States Senate Select Committee on Intelligence when it performed its Joint Inquiry into 9/11. Graham told BBC, "I can just state that within 9/11 there are too many secrets, that is information that has not been made available to the public for which there are specific tangible credible answers and that that withholding of those secrets has eroded public confidence in their government as it relates to their own security."
    BBC narrator: "Senator Graham found that the cover-up led to the heart of the administration."
    Bob Graham: "I called the White House and talked with Ms. Rice and said, 'Look, we've been told we're gonna get cooperation in this inquiry, and she said she'd look into it, and nothing happened.'"

    Of course, the Bush Administration was able to use the 9/11 attacks to launch its War on Terrorism in Afghanistan and then Iraq, a point Assange conveniently omits.

    For his part, General Gul claims that US intelligence orchestrated the Wikileaks on Afghanistan to find a scapegoat, Gul, to blame. Conveniently, as if on cue, British Conservative Prime Minister David Cameron, on a state visit to India, lashed out at the alleged role of Pakistan in supporting Taliban in Afghanistan, conveniently lending further credibility to the Wikileaks story. The real story of Wikileaks has clearly not yet been told.

    Endnotes
    - General Hamid Gul, Arnaud de Borchgrave 2001 Interview with Hamid Gul, Former ISI Chief, UPI, reprinted July 2010 on http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/07/28/arnaud-de-borchgrave2001-interview-with-hamid-gul-former-isi-chief/

    - Julian Assange, Interview in Belfast Telegraph, July 19, 2010.

    Source: http://www.rense.com/general91/wiik.htm
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    Post  enemyofNWO Sun Nov 28, 2010 4:12 am

    GORDON DUFF: WIKILEAKS, A TOUCH OF ASSANGE AND THE STENCH OF AIPAC
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    "Wikileaks is an intelligence operation to weaken and undermine the American government, orchestrated from Tel Aviv, using dozens of operatives, dual citizens, some at the highest authority levels, spies for Israel. Through leaking carefully selected intelligence along with proven falsified documents, all fed to a controlled press, fully complicit, Wikileaks is, in fact, an act of war against the United States."

    SNIP
    "Last week’s Washington Post story was buried quicker than a carp in a playground: Jeff Stein, at the Washinton Post, reports the following:

    Rosen says his actions were common practice at the organization. He said his next move is to show that AIPAC, Washington’s major pro-Israeli lobbying group by far, regularly traffics in sensitive U.S. government information, especially material related to the Middle East. “I will introduce documentary evidence that AIPAC approved of the receipt of classified information,” he said by e-mail. “Most instances of actual receipt are hard to document, because orally received information rarely comes with classified stamps on it nor record’s alerts that the information is classified.”

    But Rosen said he would produce “statements of AIPAC employees to the FBI, internal documents, deposition statements, public statements and other evidence showing that [the] receipt of classified information by employees other than [himself] … was condoned … for months prior to being condemned in March 2005 after threats from the prosecutors.”

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    Post  Mercuriel Mon Nov 29, 2010 1:15 am

    While We can say a great deal about this Release of Information - We can definately understand this and be grateful in a way for It...

    My point being...

    Its very hard to enter into an Agreement (The NWO namely) and Unlikely as well - When the Negotiating Parties don't like each other and / or harbour ulterior motives behind closed doors...

    Simply put and case in point - Evil tends to eat Itself in the end...

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    Post  enemyofNWO Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:03 am


    Interesting article on the guardian about the Wikileaks files


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    The United States was catapulted into a worldwide diplomatic crisis today, with the leaking to the Guardian and other international media of more than 250,000 classified cables from its embassies, many sent as recently as February this year.

    At the start of a series of daily extracts from the US embassy cables – many designated "secret" – the Guardian can disclose that Arab leaders are privately urging an air strike on Iran and that US officials have been instructed to spy on the UN leadership.

    These two revelations alone would be likely to reverberate around the world. But the secret dispatches, which were obtained by WikiLeaks, the whistleblowers' website, also reveal Washington's evaluation of many other highly sensitive international issues.

    These include a shift in relations between China and North Korea, high-level concerns over Pakistan's growing instability, and details of clandestine US efforts to combat al-Qaida in Yemen.
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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/28/us-embassy-cable-leak-diplomacy-crisis?intcmp=239
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    Post  burgundia Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:08 am

    I have begun to have serious doubts about what the real agenda of Wikileaks is...
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    Post  enemyofNWO Mon Nov 29, 2010 5:07 am

    burgundia wrote:I have begun to have serious doubts about what the real agenda of Wikileaks is...


    I can assure you that a lot of people are asking CUI BONO ? Could it be a huge distraction or a plan to benefit a little country in the ME that has the habit of buying politicians of both side ?
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    Post  dolphin Thu Dec 02, 2010 1:40 am

    i think julian a. is incredibly courageous. i've just watched the ted interview of him. he's the real deal to me. i think anyone can spin this as a cia double agent or just more disinfo, but sometimes you can read people by their body language, the way they talk.

    this is the dawning of a new age/cycle into aquarius, where truths will come out and perhaps he's very bright and knows how to dodge even the cia hunt for him.



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    Post  dolphin Thu Dec 02, 2010 1:46 am

    in fact i think it's really easy to say he's being used to put down america from other countries, just to discredit wikileaks. you get enough people believing that then that is how they're trying to diffuse this information that wikileaks is providing which is soooo damaging. that's all they have as a rebuttal to the classified info.

    and a way to get "truthers" themselves believing he's a just a pawn for tptb.

    ...and how pathetic that they are after him for an alleged "sexual" abuse crime. give me a break!
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    Post  TRANCOSO Thu Dec 02, 2010 1:56 am

    Who precisely is attacking the world?
    by Paul Craig Roberts

    The stuck pigs are squealing. To shift the onus from the US State Department, Hillary Clinton paints Wikileaks’ release of the “diplomatic cables” as an “attack on the international community.” To reveal truth is equivalent in the eyes of the US government to an attack on the world.

    It is Wikileaks’ fault that all those US diplomats wrote a quarter of a million undiplomatic messages about America’s allies, a.k.a., puppet states. It is also Wikileaks’ fault that a member of the US government could no longer stomach the cynical ways in which the US government manipulates foreign governments to serve, not their own people, but American interests, and delivered the incriminating evidence to Wikileaks.

    The US government actually thinks that it was Wikileaks patriotic duty to return the evidence and to identify the leaker. After all, we mustn’t let the rest of the world find out what we are up to. They might stop believing our lies.

    The influential German magazine, Der Spiegel, writes: “It is nothing short of a political meltdown for US foreign policy.”

    This might be more a hope than a reality. The “Soviet threat” during the second half of the 20th century enabled US governments to create institutions that subordinated the interests of other countries to those of the US government. After decades of following US leadership, European “leaders” know no other way to act. Finding out that the boss badmouths and deceives them is unlikely to light a spirit of independence. At least not until America’s economic collapse becomes more noticeable.

    The question is: how much will the press tell us about the documents? Spiegel itself has said that the magazine is permitting the US government to censure, at least in part, what it prints about the leaked material. Most likely, this means the public will not learn the content of the 4,330 documents that “are so explosive that they are labelled ‘NOFORN,’” meaning that foreigners, including presidents, prime ministers, and security services that share information with the CIA, are not permitted to read the documents. Possibly, also, the content of the 16,652 cables classified as “secret” will not be revealed to the public.

    Most likely the press, considering their readers’ interests, will focus on gossip and the unflattering remarks Americans made about their foreign counterparts. It will be good for laughs. Also, the US government will attempt to focus the media in ways that advance US policies.

    Indeed, it has already begun. On November 29, National Public Radio emphasized that the cables showed that Iran was isolated even in the Muslim world, making it easier for the Israelis and Americans to attack. The leaked cables reveal that the president of Egypt, an American puppet, hates Iran, and the Saudi Arabian government has been long urging the US government to attack Iran. In other words, Iran is so dangerous to the world that even its co-religionists want Iran wiped off the face of the earth.

    NPR presented several nonobjective “Iranian experts” who denigrated Iran and its leadership and declared that the US government, by resisting its Middle Eastern allies’ calls for bombing Iran, was the moderate in the picture. The fact that President George W. Bush declared Iran to be a member of “the axis of evil” and threatened repeatedly to attack Iran, and that President Obama has continued the threats - Adm. Michael Mullen, Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, has just reiterated that the US hasn’t taken the attack option off the table - are not regarded by American “Iran experts” as indications of anything other than American moderation.

    Somehow it did not come across the NPR newscast that it is not Iran but Israel that routinely slaughters civilians in Lebanon, Gaza, and the West Bank, and that it is not Iran but the US and its NATO mercenaries who slaughter civilians in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yeman, and Pakistan.

    Iran has not invaded any of its neighbors, but the Americans are invading countries half way around the globe.

    The “Iranian experts” treated the Saudi and Egyptian rulers’ hatred of Iran as a vindication of the US and Israeli governments’ demonization of Iran. Not a single “Iranian expert” was capable of pointing out that the tyrants who rule Egypt and Saudi Arabia fear Iran because the Iranian government represents the interests of Muslims, and the Saudi and Egyptian governments represent the interests of the Americans.

    Think what it must feel like to be a tyrant suppressing the aspirations of your own people in order to serve the hegemony of a foreign country, while a nearby Muslim government strives to protect its people’s independence from foreign hegemony.

    Undoubtedly, the tyrants become very anxious. What if their oppressed subjects get ideas? Little wonder the Saudis and Egyptian rulers want the Americans to eliminate the independent-minded country that is a bad example for Egyptian and Saudi subjects.

    As long as the dollar has enough value that it can be used to purchase foreign governments, information damaging to the US government is unlikely to have much affect. As Alain of Lille said a long time ago, “money is all.”

    Paul Craig Roberts is a frequent contributor to Global Research.

    SOURCE: http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=22196
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    Post  enemyofNWO Thu Dec 02, 2010 2:19 am

    metaw3 wrote:I wonder if it will affect the upcoming Iran aggression. Can they go to war even if the public opinion is against them? They will need a false flag to rally public opinion. But then there could also be a leak about this false flag. Their game is screwed up without secrecy. Is it too late to kill Assange? Killing Assange now can turn out to be like killing Che. And if Assange gets away with it, not only will he post more sensitive data in the future, but you're also gonna see new sites/groups doing the same. For a long time they played the card of non credibility for the Internet but now they're losing it.


    "Can they go to war even if the public opinion is against them? " The short answer is YES . They have done it before . Remember the IRAQ war ?
    The moral of the story is that we vote every 3 or 4 years and then the pollies do what they like .

    On Assange , I am sure that wikileaks is a Mossad operation .The "authorities are looking for Assange for a while now but he attends press conferences and gives interviews . But the authorities know exactly where we are and where I went today ! Remember the Gary McKinnon story ? So Gary is risking 60 years of jail . The art of disinformation is to mix facts with BS . This is like the bait used to kill the foxes : some appetizing morsel with poison .
    Have a look at the link below . It's an eye opener

    http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=15318

    http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=15342
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    Post  dolphin Thu Dec 02, 2010 2:37 am

    i disagree. truthseeker.com speaks about what most of us in the alternative community already know, most of the sheeple don't know what govts really do in war. assange is bringing this to light to the masses. and just bec. other people have been reporting this doesn't mean that bec he is it's not relevant info. he's getting it out there in a way other alternative sites have not been able to.

    perhaps he's taking all the limelight away from popular alternative sites that have been reporting abuses for years and they're accusing him of being an agent for tptb.

    he's a hero to me!
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    Post  burgundia Thu Dec 02, 2010 3:39 am

    Wikileaks server is down.
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    Post  newel Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:05 am

    enemyofNWO wrote:On Assange , I am sure that wikileaks is a Mossad operation.

    It appears that way. But it's so much more.

    BTW, I changed my mind since I started this thread. I see Wikileaks now as a corporate takeover of truth, which is an oxymoron, because the technique used to market corporate products is public relations (lies and manipulation). So how can you market truth?

    Wikileaks = Truth Inc.
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    Post  enemyofNWO Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:38 am

    Interesting between 45 minutes and 1 hour and 5 minutes when Michael speaks about Wikileaks .



    http://dprogram.net/2010/12/01/what-really-happened-with-michael-rivero-december-1st-2010/#more-62528
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    Assange’s latest Wikileaks have been hyped by the mainstream media around the world as a major diplomatic row and destabilizing factor in spite of the fact that they are largely trivial gossip and news items that are in alignment with the Globalist’s goals.

    If Assange were a real activist, he would not be getting any coverage from the mainstream media, let alone so headlines every day in every well known corporate media outlet. The alleged hide and seek between Assange and the US government as well as Interpol is played out on the theatrical stage of the world’s media when it is well known the US government and Interpol can arrest anyone they want virtually any time they want given their immense resources."

    END SNIP

    The rest at:

    http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=15442
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    Post  burgundia Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:02 pm

    I am still on the fence here...there are many layers to it..and the final results might be not what even the forces behind Wikileaks planned, if they are indeed "dark forces". However there is one , extremely good thing about it all. It has become official that the governments lie and manipulate and that things are not as they seem to be. to many people in this world it was not so obvious. But Wikileaks has got them interested in it, which is good.

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