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    Walking between The Worlds - Bilocation - The Final Synthesis ... So, who was The eXchanger from The Original Project Avalon & Camelot ? Susan Lynne Schwenger - curated lineages

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    Post  THEeXchanger Mon Sep 23, 2013 10:54 pm

    Fearchar (Ferquhard) mac an t-sacairt, 1st Mormaer/Earl of Ross is your 23rd great grandfather.

    http://www.geni.com/people/Fearchar-Ferquhard-mac-an-t-sacairt/6000000006724737125?through=6000000006724843022



    Susan Lynne Schwenger
    You




    Lynda Mae Handy - Schwenger
    your mother



    JAMES "Jim" EDWARD HANDY JR.
    her father



    JAMES HANDY
    his father



    Marian Ruthven - Handy
    his mother



    Alexander Ruthven
    her father



    Robert Ruthven
    his father



    John Ruthven
    his father



    John Ruthven
    his father



    John Ruthven
    his father



    George Ruthven
    his father



    William Alexander Ruthven
    his father



    William Ruthven
    his father



    Sir William Ruthven
    his father



    William Ruthven, 2nd Lord of Ruthven
    his father



    Catherine Gray of Buttergask - Stewart - Ruthven
    his mother



    Elisabeth Stewart, Countess of Argyll
    her mother



    Margaret Douglas, Fair Maid of Galloway
    her mother



    Eupheme Graham, Lady Hamilton
    her mother



    Euphemia Stewart, Countess of Strathern
    her mother



    David Stewart, 1st Earl of Caithness
    her father



    Euphemia de Ross, Queen Consort of Scotland
    his mother



    Hugh O'Beolan, 4th Earl of Ross
    her father



    Uilleam (William) II de Ross, 3rd Mormaer/Earl of Ross
    his father



    Uilleam (William) I de Ross, 2nd Mormaer of Ross
    his father



    Fearchar (Ferquhard) mac an t-sacairt, 1st Mormaer/Earl of Ross
    his father

    Fearchar (Ferquhard) mac an t-sacairt ("Son of the Priest"), 1st Mormaer/Earl of Ross MP
    Birth: 1195
    Cromarty, Ross & Cromarty, Scotland
    Death: February 1, 1257 (62)
    Cromarty, Ross & Cromarty, Scotland
    Immediate Family:

    Husband of NN wife of Fearchar
    Father of Uilleam (William) I de Ross, 2nd Mormaer of Ross

    Curated by: Pam Wilson

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    Fearchar, Earl of Ross From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fearchar,_Earl_of_Ross

    Fearchar of Ross or Ferchar mac in tSagairt (Fearchar mac an t-sagairt, often anglicized as Farquhar MacTaggart), was the first Mormaer or Earl of Ross (1223–1251) we know of from the thirteenth century, whose career brought Ross into the fold of the Scottish kings for the first time, and who is remembered as the founder of the Earldom of Ross.

    Image: Hutton's sketch of Ferchar's tomb, Fearn Abbey, 1819.
    Origins

    The traditional story is that Fearchar was part of the ancient family Ó Beólláin (O'Beolain, Boland, Bolan) of the Gaelic Cenél Eoghain that were co-arbs (hereditary abbots) of St. Maelrubha at Applecross in Ross-shire. This idea goes back to the work of the great William F. Skene, and indeed, even before him, with William Reeves, whom Skene cited.[1] The historian Alexander Grant has recently challenged this theory, arguing that the evidence for this origin is far too thin to contradict the intuitive and well attested idea that he came from Easter Ross. Grant takes up the idea instead that mac an t-Sacairt (= Son of the Priest') probably refers to a background as keeper of the shrine to St Duthac, at Tain, Scotland.[2]
    Career

    Scholarly work on Fearchar has led to the conclusion that Fearchar was a native nobleman who benefitted by upholding the interests of the King of Scots.[3] Fearchar emerges from nothingness in 1215, as the local warlord who crushed a large-scale revolt against the Scottish king, Alexander II. The Chronicle of Melrose reported that :

    "Machentagar attacked them and mightily overthrew the king's enemies; and he cut off their heads and presented them as gifts to the new king ... And because of this, the lord king appointed him a new knight."[4]

    Fearchar's ability to defeat the proven might of the Meic Uilleim and MacHeths together suggests that Fearchar could command large military resources, and as McDonald points out, this can hardly be entirely explained by his background as a hereditary priest from Tain.[5] However, the Scottish kings themselves were hardly without authority in Ross, and their position could command social power even in this distant land, something proved by the MacWilliams, whose authority depended on their descent from a Scottish king. Fearchar's power then is not so mysterious.
    Promotion to Mormaer

    It is possible that Fearchar was made Mormaer when the grateful King Alexander II visited Inverness in 1221.[6] Macdonald, however, gives some reasons why this might be a little early; around 1226 is a more likely date, but he was almost certainly Mormaer by 1230, and definitely by 1232, the year in which Fearchar's initial (as the father of his son Uilleam) appears in a charter, with the style Comes de Ross (i.e. Mormaer of Ross). Fearchar's initial and comital style also appear in a charter granting some lands to Walter de Moravia, a charter dating somewhere between 1224 and 1231.[7]

    So did Fearchar appear from nowhere as a "novus homo"? The facts are that we do not know what happened to the Mormaerdom of Ross after the death, in 1168, of the last known Mormaer, Malcolm MacHeth. We might compare Ross with other Mormaerdoms, such as Lennox and Carrick, in which these apparently new Mormaerdoms were merely de iure royal grants to native lords who already possessed kinship leadership and de facto status as provincial rulers. In this view, conferring this style was simply an act of harnessing organic Gaelic power structures to the political, terminological and ideological framework of the regnum Scottorum.
    Fearchar & Scotland

    In 1235, it is reported that Fearchar was active in Galloway. The Revolt of Gille Ruadh in Galloway in 1234/5 required a large-scale levying by the Scottish king. King Alexander invaded Galloway, and Gille Ruadh ambushed the royal army, almost bringing it to destruction. However the Scottish King was saved by Fearchar, who appeared to the rescue with the Men of Ross.[8]

    The defeat of the rebellious Galwegians by another peripheral Gaelic lord in the service of the Scottish King had been paralled in 1187, when Lochlann, Lord of Galloway defeated the rebellious Domnall mac Uilleim, claimant of the Scottish throne, at the Battle of Mam Garvia, somewhere near Dingwall. In fact, one historian has linked the two events as revenge.[9]

    Fearchar was also recorded as being present at the negotiations which led to the Treaty of York, signed in 1237
    Marriages & Family

    We know that Fearchar married one of his daughters, called Euphemia, to Walter de Moravia, a magnate who ruled Duffus. Walter's family were of Flemish origin, and had been planted in Moray by the Scottish crown as agents of royal authority, but were steadily building an independent power-base. Christina, another of Fearchar's daughters, was married to Amlaibh, the King of Mann and the Isles. If we are to use the chronology of the Chronicles of Mann, this happened sometime before 1223, but after 1188. Such a move is not surprising, as the Manx king ruled over the isle of Skye.[10] This reminds us that Fearchar was not merely a slavish Scottish magnate with narrow local aspirations, but an ambitious Gaelic warlord with greater regional goals in the Norse-Gaelic world of the Irish Sea, the world of Alan, Lord of Galloway and the Manx kings.
    Church Patronage

    Fearchar's wider connections are further illustrated by his religious patronage. In the 1220s he granted the Premonstratensian Order (perhaps the most modern one about) of Whithorn in Galloway a new monastery at Mid Fearn in Ross, moving it a decade later to New Fearn.[11] They brought with them some relics of St Ninian too, which is why to this day Fearn Abbey is associated with that saint. Such a move was hardly surprising, since all aspiring magnates needed their own monastery.

    [edit]Death

    We do not know the precise year in which Fearchar died. The traditional date, 1251, is based on the date given in the spurious Ane Breve Cronicle of the Erllis of Ross. The latter gives his birthplace as Tain. Despite the unreliability of this source and date, he was certainly dead by the 1250s, when his son appears as Mormaer in his own right.[12]
    Notes

    ^ Reeves, William, 'Saint Maelrubha: His History and Churches' (in Proceedings of the Society of Antiquaries of Scotland, vol. III (1857–60), 258-96, at pp. 275-6); Skene Celtic Scotland, Vol. II, pp. 483-4 .
    ^ Grant, "The Province of Ross", p. 121.
    ^ e.g. McDonald, "Old and new", p. 24.
    ^ A.O.Anderson, Early Sources, Vol. II, p. 404, with Macdonald, p. 28.
    ^ MacDonald, p. 29.
    ^ Grant, p. 122.
    ^ For all this, see McDonald, pp. 30-3.
    ^ Anderson, Vol. II, p. 476.
    ^ e.g. Brooke, Wild Men & Holy Places, p. 136.
    ^ McDonald, p. 39
    ^ McDonald, p. 41.
    ^ McDonald, p. 42.

    References

    Anderson, Alan Orr, Early Sources of Scottish History: AD 500-1286, 2 Vols (Edinburgh, 1922)
    Brooke, Daphne, Wild Men and Holy Places, (Edinburgh, 1994)
    Grant, Alexander, "The Province of Ross and the Kingdom of Alba" in E.J. Cowan and R.Andrew McDonald (eds.) Alba: Celtic Scotland in the Medieval Era", (Edinburgh, 2000)
    McDonald, R. Andrew, "Old and new in the far North: Ferchar Maccintsacairt and the early earls of Ross" in Steve Boardman and Alasdair Ross (eds.) The Exercise of Power in Medieval Scotland, c.1200-1500, (Dublin/Portland, 2003)
    Reeves, W., "Saint Maelrubha, his history and churches" in Proceedings of the Antiquaries of Scotland, III, 258-96
    Roberts, John L., Lost Kingdoms: Celtic Scotland in the Middle Ages, (Edinburgh, 1997)
    Skene, William Forbes, Celtic Scotland: A History of Ancient Alban, Vol. II: Church and Culture, (1877).
    McDonald, R. Andrew, Outlaws of Medieval Scotland: Challenges to the Canmore Kings, 1058–1266, East Linton, 2003. ISBN 1-86232-236-8 [McDonald, Outlaws of Medieval Scotland]

    External links

    Chronicles of Mann Scran & The Breve Cronicle of the Erllis of Ross Preceded by MacHeths Mormaer of Ross 1223–1251 Succeeded by Uilleam I
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    Post  THEeXchanger Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:11 pm

    Clan/Family Histories

    Rose aka Ross The gaelic word "ros" means a "headland" and is often used as part of place names in Scotland.

    There was an ancient Celtic earldom of Ross in the north-east of Scotland, in what is now the county of Ross and Cromarty,

    between the Cromarty and Dornoch Firths, north of Inverness.

    The clan was sometimes referred to as Clan Anrias or Gille Andras/Gillanders,

    the old Celtic Earls of Ross, who were said to have descended from Gillianrias, the son of the hereditary abbot at the monastery of Applecross.

    In 1214, when Alexander II led an army to the north to repress a rebellion by Donald Bane,

    who was claiming the throne, Clan Ross assisted the king and was rewarded with the title Earl of Ross.

    The Rosses fought at the Battle of Largs against the Vikings in 1263. The clan and their chief served with distinction in the Wars of Independence against the English.

    Their chief was captured at the Battle of Dunbar in 1296 and was taken as a prisoner to London.

    He was released but was captured again while protecting Robert the Bruce's wife and daughter at the shrine of St Duthac in Tain.

    The clan fought bravely at Battle of Bannockburn in 1314 and the earl's seal is one of those on the Declaration of Arbroath in 1320.

    Hugh Ross married a sister of Robert the Bruce and fell at the Battle of Halidon Hill in 1333.

    The earldom was forfeited when the Lord of the Isles was defeated in 1476 but the surname survived

    and the chieftainship devolved to the Rosses of Balnagowan near Tain.

    The 12th chief led 1,000 of his clansmen against Oliver Cromwell at the Battle of Worcester in 1651.

    However, many were captured and transported to the colonies in New England.

    After a long struggle with the neighbouring clan MacKays,

    the clan Ross was defeated at a battle at Strathcarron by the Mackays in 1486 and never recovered.

    Despite this, Ross is still one of the five most frequent names in the northern Highlands

    and the 16th most frequently registered in the whole of Scotland in 1995.

    A Norman family called de Ros settled in south-west Scotland in the 11th century

    and some of their descendants also became known as "Ross" or sometimes "Rose".

    At one time they managed to convince the Lord Lyon that they were the chieftains of the clan Ross

    but this was overturned in 1903 and David Ross of Ross and Shandwick is the current chief.

    The Ross motto is "Spem successus alit" - literaly, "Success nourishes hope",

    which nowadays we would call "Success breeds success".

    The Corbet, Dingwall, Duthie, Fair, Gillanders, Haggart, McLulich, MacTaggart, MacTear, MacTire, Taggart,

    Train, Vass and Wass families are all regarded as septs (sub-branches) of the powerful Clan Ross.

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    Post  THEeXchanger Wed Sep 25, 2013 7:45 pm

    IRELAND in plain english !!!

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    Post  THEeXchanger Thu Sep 26, 2013 8:34 am

    http://www.geni.com/people/Daire-Doimtech-MacSithbolg/6000000018408550644?through=6000000018408120994

    The High Irish Kings, The High Scottish Kings, The Pict - Pictish Kings through Ruthven, Halyburton - Haliburton - etc.,

    Lineages:

    Daire Doimtech MacSithbolg is your 59th great grandfather.

    Susan Lynne Schwenger

    You




    Lynda Mae Handy - Schwenger
    your mother



    JAMES "Jim" EDWARD HANDY JR.
    her father



    JAMES HANDY
    his father



    Marian Ruthven - Handy
    his mother



    Alexander Ruthven
    her father



    Robert Ruthven
    his father



    John Ruthven
    his father



    John Ruthven
    his father



    John Ruthven
    his father



    George Ruthven
    his father



    William Alexander Ruthven
    his father



    William Ruthven
    his father



    Sir William Ruthven
    his father



    Janet Ruthven (Halyburton), 6th Lady Dirletoun
    his mother



    Patrick Halyburton, 5th/6th Lord Dirletoun
    her father



    George Halyburton, 3rd/4th Lord Dirletoun
    his father



    Sir John Halyburton
    his father



    Sir Walter Halyburton, Lord Halyburton of Dirleton
    his father



    Sir Walter Halyburton of Dirleton
    his father



    Margaret Cameron of Ballegarno
    his mother



    Sir John Cameron of Ballegarno
    her father



    Robert Cameron, Atholl
    his father



    Robert Cameron
    his father



    John Cameron
    his father



    Gillespic Cameron
    his father



    Marion, of Lechaber
    his mother



    Dunclina nic Cineada
    her mother



    Kenneth II, King of Scots
    her father



    Malcolm I, King of Scots
    his father



    Donald II "The Madman", King of Scots
    his father



    Constantine I, King of the Picts and Scots
    his father



    Kenneth I mac Alpine, King of Pictland
    his father



    Alpín mac Echdach, Rí na Dál Riata
    his father



    Eochaid mac Áeda Find, Rí na Dál Riata
    his father



    Áed Find mac Echdach, Rí na Dál Riata
    his father



    Eochaid mac Echdach, Rí na Dál Riata
    his father



    Eochaid Rinnavel mac Domangairt, Rí na Dál Riata
    his father



    Domangart mac Domnall, Rí na Dál Riata
    his father



    Domhnall Brecc mac Eochaid, Rí na Dál Riata
    his father



    Eochaid Buide mac Aidan, Rí na Dál Riata
    his father



    Áedán mac Gabráin, Rí na Dál Riata
    his father



    Gabhran mac Domangart, Rí na Dál Riada
    his father



    Domangart mac Fergus, Rí na Dál Riata
    his father



    Fergus Mór mac Earc, Rí na Dál Riata
    his father



    Erc mac Echach, Rí na Dál Riata
    his father



    Eochaid Muinremuir mac Oengus, Rí na Dál Riata
    his father



    Áengus Fert mac Feideilmid, Rí na Dál Riata
    his father



    Fedelmid Aislingich mac Aengusa, Rí na Dál Riata
    his father



    Aengus mac Feideilmid, Rí na Dál Riata
    his father



    Fedelmid Ruamach mac Senchormac
    his father



    Senchormac mac Cruithluithe
    his father



    Cruitlinde mac Finn, Rí na Dál Riata
    his father



    Finn Fiacc mac Achir, Rí na Dál Riata
    his father



    Achir Cirre MacEchach, Rí na Dál Riata
    his father



    Eochaid mac Fiachrach, Rí na Dál Riata
    his father



    Fiachra Cathmail MacEchach
    his father



    Eochaid Cairpre Riata mac Conaire, Rí na Dál Riata
    his father



    Conaire Caem mac Modh Lamha, Ard-rí na h'Éireann
    his father



    Eithne Lugdach
    his mother



    Lugaid MacDaire
    her father



    Daire Doimtech MacSithbolg
    his father

    Daire Doimtech MacSithbolg
    Birth: estimated before 130
    Immediate Family:

    Father of Lugaid MacDaire

    http://www.geni.com/people/Daire-Doimtech-MacSithbolg/6000000018408550644?through=6000000018408120994


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    Post  THEeXchanger Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:34 am

    The Avalon - Camelot - Tintagel - Pendragon - Uther ap Custennyn - Head Dragon, Father of King Arthur

    Uther ap Custennyn, King of Britons is your 40th great grandfather.

    aka Uther Pendragon "The Head Dragon" ap Custennyn, King of Britons

    http://www.geni.com/people/Uther-ap-Custennyn/6000000003827288024?through=6000000003827288033
    Place of Burial: Stonehenge, Wiltshire, England
    Birth: circa 430
    Tintagel Castle, Cornwall, England
    Death: circa 496 (66)
    Cornwall, England
    Immediate Family:

    Son of Constantine ap Selyfan, King of Britain and Ivoire

    Igerna ferch Amlawdd is your 40th great grandmother.
    Birth: circa 450
    Britain
    Death: Caerlaveroc,Solwayfirth,Dumfries-Shire,Scotland
    Immediate Family:

    Daughter of Taliesin, Chief of the Bards and Viviane del Acqs - The Lake Family

    http://www.geni.com/people/Igerna-ferch-Amlawdd/6000000003827288033?through=6000000000380318096



    LINEAGES:

    Susan Lynne Schwenger is the 40th Great Grandfather of

    Uther ap Custennyn, King of Britons is your 40th great grandfather.

    aka Uther Pendragon "The Head Dragon" ap Custennyn, King of Britons - The Pendragon Lineage

    You




    Lynda Mae Handy - Schwenger
    your mother



    JAMES "Jim" EDWARD HANDY JR.
    her father



    JAMES HANDY
    his father



    Marian Ruthven - Handy
    his mother



    Alexander Ruthven
    her father



    Robert Ruthven
    his father



    John Ruthven
    his father



    John Ruthven
    his father



    John Ruthven
    his father



    George Ruthven
    his father



    William Alexander Ruthven
    his father



    William Ruthven
    his father



    Sir William Ruthven
    his father



    Janet Ruthven (Halyburton), 6th Lady Dirletoun
    his mother



    Patrick Halyburton, 5th/6th Lord Dirletoun
    her father



    George Halyburton, 3rd/4th Lord Dirletoun
    his father



    Sir John Halyburton
    his father



    Marjorie Stewart Haliburton, Countess of Atholl
    his mother



    Joanna Moray, Lady of Drumersgard
    her mother



    Joan de Menteith
    her mother



    Helena of Mar
    her mother



    Gartnait MacDomhnaill, 7th Earl of Mar
    her father



    Elen ferch Llywelyn
    his mother



    Llywelyn ap Iorwerth, Prince of Wales
    her father



    Marared verch Madog
    his mother



    Susanna verch Gruffydd
    her mother



    Gruffydd ap Cynan
    her father



    Cynan ap Iago
    his father



    Iago ap Idwal
    his father



    Idwal ap Meurig
    his father



    Meurig ap Idwal, Brenin Gwynedd
    his father



    Idwal Foel ap Anarawd
    his father



    Anarawd ap Rhodri Mawr
    his father



    Rhodri Mawr ap Merfyn
    his father



    Merfyn Frych ap Gwriad
    his father



    Gwriad ap Elidir
    his father



    Elidir ap Sandde
    his father



    Sandde ap Alcwn
    his father



    Alcwn ap Tegid
    his father



    Tegid ap Gwair
    his father



    Morgause (Anna)
    his mother



    Uther ap Custennyn, King of Britons aka Pendragon aka Head Dragon
    her father

    http://www.geni.com/people/Uther-ap-Custennyn/6000000003827288024?through=6000000003827288033
    Immediate Family:

    Son of Constantine ap Selyfan, King of Britain and Ivoire
    Husband of Igerna ferch Amlawdd
    Father of Arthwyr ap Uthyr, High King of Britain; Gania de Cornouaille; Elen d'Anaumide;

    Morgause (Anna); Madog ap Uthyr; Wife of Percival Verch Uther; Wife of Urien verch Uther;

    Cador Duke of Cornwall and Anna verch Uthyr
    Brother of Constans ap Custennin; Aurelianus Ambrosius and Alda verch Constantine
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    Post  THEeXchanger Fri Sep 27, 2013 10:47 am



    This info connects a lot of interesting people:

    Aumale, Bailleul, BALIOL, Baliol of Barnard Castle, Baillie, BALLIOL, Borthwick, Braidfute, BYWELL, CLERK, d'Aumale, de Bailleul, de Baliol, de Balliol, de Borthwick, de Dover, de Fontaines, de Huntington, de Knightley, de Lutegareshale, de MONTGOMERY,

    de Picquigny, de Seton, de Strathbogie, DOUGLAS, Dover, DRURY, Fontaines, Galloway, GIBBONS, GRAY, HANDY, Helicourt, Helicourt de Bailleul, HENDERSON, HEPBURN, HOME, HUNTINGTON, HUNTLEY, HUTCHESON, Knightley, KOPITOWSKI, LAUDER, LESLIE, LINDSAY, Lutegareshale, MERCER, MONTGOMERY, OGILVY, PEADIE, Picquingny, REID, RENNIE, ROSSLYN, RUSSELL, RUTHVEN, SCHWENGER, Seton, SINCLAIR, Strathbogie, THOMPSON, WALLACE, Wotherspoon aka Weatherspoon

    which includes the Lineages of: SIR WILLIAM 'BRAVEHEART' WALLACE & ROSSLYN

    Wydo Baliol is your 32nd great grandfather.

    Wydo Baliol is your 32nd Great Grandfather

    Wydo Baliol
    Birth: 986
    Baileul-En-Vimeu, Abbeville, Picardy, France
    Death: 1015 (29)
    Baileul, Abbeville, Picardie, France
    Immediate Family:

    Father of Guy de Balliol
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    LINEAGE:

    Susan Lynne Schwenger

    You



    Lynda Mae Handy - Schwenger
    your mother

    Murray Bruce "Muff" Schwenger

    your father



    JAMES "Jim" EDWARD HANDY JR.
    her father

    is your grandfather

    Viola Mae Drury - Handy is your grandmother

    Daughter of Dr. George Walker Herbert Drury and Eva 'Effie' Teresa Kopitoski is your great grandfather & grandmother



    JAMES HANDY
    his father

    is your great grandfather

    IDA EVA MORTON RUSSELL is your great grandmother

    Daughter of ROBERT J RUSSELL is your 2nd great grandfather



    Marian Ruthven - Handy
    his mother

    is your 2nd great grandmother

    EDWARD HANDY is your 2nd great grandfather

    Son of Charles handy and Mary Gibbons is your 3rd great grandfather & grandmother

    Son of Benjamin Thomas aka Ben Handy is your 4th great grandfather - The Greatest Horseman in The World - Circus - Partner of Astley

    Son of Anthony Handy and Jane Unknown - Handy is your 5th great grandfather & grandmother

    and Mary Huntley - Grant - Handy - Catawba Tribe is your 4th great grandmother (wife of Benjamin Thomas aka Ben Handy)

    Daughter of Chief Neil Huntley - Catawba Tribe is your 5th great grandfather



    ALEXANDER RUTHVEN
    her father

    is your 3rd great grandfather

    MARION RENNIE - RUTHVEN is your 3rd great grandmother



    ROBERT RUTHVEN
    his father

    is your 4th great grandfather

    MARGARET THOMPSON is your 4th great grandmother



    JOHN RUTHVEN
    his father

    is your 5th great grandfather

    Margaret Wotherspoon - Weatherspoon - Ruthven is your 5th great grandmother



    JOHN RUTHVEN
    his father

    is your 6th Great Grandfather

    MARY HENDERSON is your 6th Great Grandmother



    John Ruthven
    his father

    is your 7th Great Grandfather

    Marrion Margaret Peadie-Ruthven is your 7th Great Grandmother



    George Ruthven
    his father

    is your 8th Great Grandfather

    Elspeth Hutcheson - Ruthven is your 8th Great Grandmother



    William Alexander Ruthven
    his father

    is your 9th great grandfather

    Isobell Reid - Ruthven is your 9th great grandmother

    Daughter of James Reid is your 10th great grandfather



    William Ruthven
    his father

    is your 10th Great Grandfather

    Marion Clerk is your 10th Great Grandmother



    Mary Gray - Seaton - Ruthven
    his mother

    is your 11th Great Grandmother

    Sir William Ruthven is your 11th Great Grandfather

    Son of William Ruthven, 2nd Lord of Ruthven and Janet Ruthven (Halyburton), 6th Lady Dirletoun is your 12th Great Grandfather & Grandmother



    Marion Gray
    her mother

    is your 12th Great Grandmother

    Sir Patrick Gray, 4th Lord Gray is your 12th great grandfather

    Son of Gilbert Gray, of Buttergask and Egidia Mercer - Gray is your 13th Great Grandfather & Grandmother



    Helen Ogilvy (Sinclair), Lady Ogilvy of Airlie
    her mother

    is your 13th Great Grandmother
    James Ogilvy, 4th Lord Ogilvy of Airlie is your 13th great grandfather
    Birth: circa 1505
    Airlie, Angus, Scotland
    Son of James Ogilvy, 3rd Lord Ogilvy of Airlie and Lady Margaret Ogilvy (Lindsay) is your 14th great grandfather



    Margaret Sinclair
    her mother

    is your 14th great grandmother
    Henry Sinclair, 3rd Lord Sinclair is your 14th Great Grandfather
    Birth: 1459
    Caithnessshire, Scotland
    Son of Rosslyn - William Sinclair, 2nd lord St. Clair and Lady Christina Leslie is your 15th Great Grandfather + Grandmother

    Son of Rosslyn - William Sinclair, 1st Earl of Caithness, 3rd Earl of Orkney and Elizabeth Douglas, is your 16th Great Grandfather + Grandmother



    Adam Hepburn, Master of Hailes, Sheriff of Berwick
    her father

    is your 15th Great Grandfather
    Helen Home is your 15th Great Grandmother
    Birth: circa 1437
    Home, Berwickshire, Scotland

    Daughter of Alexander Home, 1st Lord Home and Marion Lauder



    Lady Ellen Wallace - Hepburn
    his mother

    is your 16th Great Grandmother
    Sir Patrick Hepburn of Dunsyre is your 16th Great Grandfather
    Birth: circa 1412
    Hailes Castle, Prestonkirk, East Lothian, Scotland
    Son of Sir Adam Hepburn, Lord Of Hailes and Janet de Borthwick



    daughter of Malcolm Wallace, heiress of Elderslie
    her mother

    is your 17th Great Grandmother
    James Wallace, Laird of Elderslie is your 17th Great Grandfather
    Birth: circa 1355
    Craigie Village near Kilmarnock, Ayrshire, Scotland
    Son of John Wallace, of Craigie and Margaret Lindsay, heiress of Craigie



    Helen Baillie, of Lamington
    her mother

    is your 18th Great Grandmother
    Malcolm Wallace of Elderslie, Laird of Elderslie is your 18th Great Grandfather
    Birth: circa 1335
    Elderslie, Paisley Parish, Renfrewshire, Scotland, (Present UK)
    Son of Adam Wallace, Laird of Elderslie and Auchinbothie and Lady Adam Wallace of Elderslie and Auchinbothie



    William Baillie of Hoprig and Lamington
    her father

    is your 19th Great Grandfather
    Isabella de Seton is your 19th Great Grandmother
    Birth: circa 1330
    Seton, East Lothian, Scotland
    Daughter of Sir William Seton and Katherine Sinclair



    Sir William Baillie of Hoprig, 2nd Laird of Hoprig
    his father

    is your 20th Great Grandfather
    Elizabeth Wallace of Lamington, heiress of Lamington is your 20th Great Grandmother
    Birth: circa 1295
    Elderslie, Paisley Parish, Renfrewshire, Scotland, (Present UK)
    Managed by: jessie whitmire

    Daughter of Sir William "Braveheart" Wallace, Kt. is your 21st Great Grandfather

    and Marion Cornellia Wallace (Braidfute) of Lamington is your 21st Great Grandmother



    Sir William Baillie of Hoprig, Knight
    his father

    is your 21st Great Grandfather



    Alexander de Baliol of Cavers
    his father

    is your 22nd Great Grandfather
    Isabella de Strathbogie is your 22nd Great Grandmother
    Birth: circa 1245
    Chilham, Kent, , England
    Daughter of Richard de Dover, Baron of Chilham and Matilda nic Máel Coluim, Countess of Angus



    John de Baliol
    his father

    is your 23rd Great Grandfather
    Devorguilla (Dearbhfhorghaill) of Galloway is your 23rd Great Grandmother
    Birth: circa 1218
    Fotheringhay Castle, Galloway, Wigtownshire, Scotland
    Daughter of Alan, Lord of Galloway and Margaret de Huntington



    Hugh de Baliol of Barnard Castle aka Hugh Gainford de Bailleul (de Baliol), Lord of Biwell & Hiche
    his father

    is your 24th Great Grandfather
    Cecily de Fontaines is your 24th Great Grandmother
    Birth: circa 1195
    Richmond Castle, Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire, Scotland
    Daughter of Aléaume I, seigneur de Fontaines and Laura de Saint-Valéry



    Eustace de Baliol aka Eustache Helicourt de Bailleul, seigneur de Bailleul en Vimeu et de Hornoy
    his father

    is your 25th Great Grandfather
    Perronnelle Fitzpiers is your 25 Great Grandmother
    Birth: 1168
    Shere Farmbridge,,Essex,England
    Daughter of Piers de Lutegareshale and Matilda (Maud) NN



    Bernard de Balliol, Baron of Bywell of Barnard Castle
    his father

    is your 26th Great Grandfather
    Agnès de Picquigny is your 26th Great Grandmother
    Birth: circa 1148
    Piquigny, France
    Daughter of Gérard I, Seigneur de Picquigny and Béatrix d'Aumale



    Barnard de Balliol aka Bernard (Reginald) de Baliol (de Bailleul), I
    his father

    is your 27th Great Grandfather
    Baroness Maud Bywell is your 27th Great Grandmother
    Birth: circa 1090
    Bailleul,Nord,,France



    FNU de Bailiol
    his father

    is your 28th Great Grandfather



    Hugh II de Baliol, of Bywell aka Guy de Baliol (de Bailleul)
    his father

    is your 29th Great Grandfather



    Reginald de Balliol , Sheriff of Shropshire aka Rainald (Renard, Reynold, Reginald) de Knightley (de Balliol), Sheriff of Shropshire
    his father

    is your 30th Great Grandfather
    Ameria de Montgomery is your 30th Great Grandmother
    Birth: 1045
    Montgommery, Saint-Germain-de-Montgommery, Lower Normandy, France

    Reginald de Balliol, Sheriff of Shropshire

    is your 30th Great Grandfather



    Guy de Balliol
    his father

    is your 31st Great Grandfather



    Wydo Baliol
    his father

    is your 32nd great grandfather

    Wydo Baliol
    Wydo Baliol
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    Post  THEeXchanger Fri Sep 27, 2013 10:48 am



    i discovered something to:

    Lion of Judah ???
    Pendragon Seal - Tintagel



    http://www.thuban.spruz.com/gfile/75r4!-!GKLGHE!-!zrzor45!-!HSQDQOH...

    if this was pressed into wax, it would look like this:

    https://i.servimg.com/u/f33/17/17/85/25/pendra10.jpg

    PENDRAGON SEAL

    https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1005128_3926...

    Painting, by Neroccio di Bartolomeo de Landi,
    is titled St John the Baptist with Madonna and Child and St Mary Magdalene.

    Symbology of The Heraldry, The Lion of Judah on the top left side,
    and,on the top left side, a bloodline expanding into two from one, a genesis

    i thought it might be connected to:

    Scottish lion - http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Medieval-Handcrafted-Scotland-Lion-Coat-of-A...

    Tintagel -

    http://i.ebayimg.com/t/TINTAGEL-CASTLE-GRIFFIN-COAT-OF-ARMS-HERALD-...

    however; check this out;

    Baloil - http://photos.geni.com/p13/97/35/d7/ec/5344483a80eb3ad1/wydo3_mediu...

    Wydo Baliol is your 32nd Great Grandfather
    Wydo Baliol

    Wallace
    http://photos.geni.com/p13/62/19/15/d3/5344483ace77c0e5/c1ed2ed2880...

    http://photos.geni.com/p13/62/19/15/d3/5344483ace77c0e5/c1ed2ed2880...

    (remember, its a seal - pressed into wax, so, it would be opposite,
    lion is facing left) like on the coat of arms of wallace, baloil, pendragon, ap custennyn, and, tintagel castle

    and, also found here:
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f0/WallaceLin...

    Wallace and Lindsay conjoined coat of arms,
    From the 16th century - Craigie Castle.
    Craigie Mains Farm, South Ayrshire, Scotland.

    (but, it is medieval - so, it likely is PENDRAGON)
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    Post  THEeXchanger Fri Sep 27, 2013 10:49 am

    The Medieval Seal of Pendragon - ap Custennyn / Tintagel Castle
    ~ Baloil - Wallace

    http://www.thuban.spruz.com/gfile/75r4!-!GKLGHE!-!zrzor45!-!HSQDQOH...

    is in the private collection of Susan Lynne Schwenger

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    Ian Winton
    7/7/2013 at 5:20 AM

    WOW Susan! That Pendragon/Lion of Judah symbology is very interesting!

    Post more stuff like that!! I like to learn to!!

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    Alcwn
    Alcwn, Sandde ap Alcwn
    Alcwn ap Tegid
    Alexander Ruthven
    Amlawdd of Dumnonia
    Amlawdd of Dumnonia, Igerna ferch, Amlawdd of Dumnonia
    Anarawd, Brenin Ynys Manau
    Anarawd, Brenin Ynys Manau, Tudwal ap Anarawd, Brenin Ynys Manau
    Angharad verch Llewellyn
    Angharad verch Maredudd
    Angharad verch Meurig
    Angharad verch Owain


    Anna aka Morgause - Daughter of Uther Pendragon

    aka "The Head Dragon" ap Custennyn, King of Britons

    Annandale


    Anne of Britain


    Anthony Handy


    ap Alcwn
    ap Alcwn, Sandde ap Alcwn


    ap Anarawd, Brenin Ynys Manau
    ap Anarawd, Brenin Ynys Manau,


    ap Blaidd
    ap Blaidd, Cynyllyn ap Blaidd, Lord of Gestyn


    ap Bleddyn
    ap Bleddyn , Maredudd

    Braveheart

    Brenin Ynys Manauap Brochwel


    ap Brochwel , Cadell ap Brochwel


    ap Cadell
    ap Cadell, King of the Britons, Hywel Dda ap Cadell, King of the Britons

    ap Custennyn
    ap Custennyn, Uther - Pendragon aka

    "The Head Dragon", King of Britons


    ap Cynan
    ap Cynan, Gruffydd ap Cynan
    ap Cynfyn
    ap Cynfyn, Bleddyn ap Cynfyn

    Duffrynn

    ap Dyfnwallon
    ap Dyfnwallon, Meurig ap Dyfnwallon


    ap Dwywg
    ap Dwywg , Caid ap Dwywg


    ap Elidir
    ap Elidir , Gwriad ap Elidir


    ap Gwaethfoed
    ap Gwaethfoed , Gwerystan ap Gwaethfoed


    ap Gruffydd
    ap Gruffydd, Owain Fawr, King of Gwynedd


    ap Gwair ap Gwair , Tegid ap Gwair


    ap Gwerystan
    ap Gwerystan, Cynfyn ap Gwerystan


    ap Gwriad
    ap Gwriad , Merfyn Frych ap Gwriad


    ap Hywel
    ap Hywel, Owain ap Hywel


    ap Llywarch Hen
    ap Llywarch Hen, Dwywg ap Llywarch Hen


    ap Iorwerth
    ap Iorwerth, Llywelyn - Prince of Wales


    ap Maredudd
    ap Maredudd, Madog ap Maredudd

    ap Merfyn
    ap Merfyn , Llewellyn ap Merfyn
    ap Merfyn , Rhodri Mawr ap Merfyn


    ap Morien
    ap Morien, Lord of Duffryn, Einudd ap Morien, Lord of

    Duffryn


    ap Owain
    ap Owain, Iorwerth Drwyndwn
    ap Owain, Maredudd ap Owain
    ap Rhodri Mawr, Brenin Powys
    ap Rhodri Mawr, Brenin Powys , Merfyn ap Rhodri Mawr, Brenin Powys
    ap Rhodri , Cynan Dindaethwy ap Rhodri
    ap Sandde
    ap Sandde, Elidir ap Sandde
    ap Tegid
    ap Tegid , Alcwn ap Tegid


    Archibald Douglas "The Grim", 3rd Earl of Douglas


    Astley’s Circus – Benjamin Thomas aka Ben Handy, Partner of Astley’s Circus,


    Atholl - Marjorie Stewart - Haliburton aka Halyburton Countess of Atholl


    Avalon


    Blaidd
    Blaidd, Cynyllyn ap Blaidd, Lord of Gestyn


    Baliol
    Baliol, Wydo


    Ben Handy Circus Troupe


    Benjamin Handy Circus Troupe


    Bleddyn
    Bleddyn , Maredudd ap Bleddyn
    Bleddyn ap Cynfyn


    Bors, King of Gaul


    Brenin Ynys Manau, Tudwal ap Anarawd


    Britons


    Brochwel
    Brochwel , Cadell ap Brochwel


    Burgundy


    Buttergask


    Cadell
    Cadell, Hywel Dda ap Cadell, King of the Britons
    Cadell, Nesta verch Cadell
    Cadell ap Brochwel


    Caid ap Dwywg


    Camelot


    Carrick


    Catawba Tribe


    Catherine Gray of Buttergask - Stewart – Ruthven


    Celeinion verch Tudwal


    Charles Handy


    Chief Neil Huntley, Catawba Tribe


    Christian de Seton


    Clerk – Ruthven, Marion


    Comyn
    Comyn, Elizabeth – de Mar


    Constantine ap Selyfan, King of Britian


    Cornwall


    Custennyn


    Cynan Dindaethwy ap Rhodri

    Cynan
    Cynan, Gruffydd ap Cynan
    Cynan, Esyllt verch Cynan


    Cynfyn
    Cynfyn, Bleddyn ap Cynfyn


    D’Alqs aka The Family of Lake
    D’Alqs, Vivane, Lady of The Lake aka Queen of Avalon,

    Queen of Camelot, Queen of Burgundy


    de Bruce
    de Bruce, Robert, The 6th Lord of Annandale


    Del Acq
    Del Acq, Vivane ~ Lady of The Lake aka Queen of Avalon, Queen of Camelot, Queen of Burgundy
    Del Acqs
    Del Acqs. Vivane ~ Lady of The Lake aka Queen of Avalon, Queen of Camelot, Queen of Burgundy


    de Mar
    de Mar, Donald – The 6th Earl of Mar
    de Mar - Elizabeth Comyn
    de Mar, William – The 5th Earl of Mar

    de Moray of Strathearn


    de Menteith
    de Menteith, Joan


    De Moray, Joan aka Joanna aka Johanna de Moray of Strathearn - Douglas, Lady of Drumersgard


    de Seton
    de Seton, Christian


    Desposyni
    Desposyni, Owen – Archdruid & Prince Bard


    Dirletoun Castle


    Donald de Mar, 6th Earl of Mar


    Douglas
    Douglas of Lothian
    Douglas, Archibald "The Grim", 3rd Earl of Douglas
    Douglas - de Moray, Joan aka Joanna aka Johanna Douglas de Moray of Strathearn, Lady of Drumersgard
    Douglas - Halyburton, Margaret
    Douglas, Sir James of Lothian


    Drumersgard

    Dr. George Walker Herbert Drury
    Drury
    Drury, Dr. George Walker Herbert
    Drury-Kopitoski, Eva 'Effie' Teresa
    Drury- Handy, Viola Mae


    Duffryn

    Dumnonia


    Dunbar of March
    Dunbar, Janet of March – Janet of March, Janet of March - Seton of Seton


    Dwywg
    Dwywg , Caid ap Dwywg
    Dwywg ap Llywarch Hen


    Dyfnwallon
    Dyfnwallon, Meurig ap Dyfnwallon


    Elspeth Hutcheson - Ruthven


    Efa (Eva) verch Llywelyn


    Eva 'Effie' Teresa Kopitoski- Drury


    Edward Handy


    Elen verch Llywarch
    Elen ferch Llywelyn


    Elidir
    Elidir , Gwriad ap Elidir
    Elidir ap Sandde


    Elizabeth Comyn – de Mar


    Esyllt verch Cynan


    ferch Amlawdd of Dumnonia
    ferch Amlawdd, of Dumnonia, Igerna ferch Amlawdd,
    ferch Llancelod
    ferch Llanceload, Ivoire
    ferch Llywelyn
    ferch Llywelyn, Elen


    Flint


    Gartnait MacDomhnaill, 7th Earl of Mar


    Gaul


    George Halyburton, The 3rd/4th Lord of Dirletoun
    George Ruthven
    George Walker Herbert Drury, Dr.


    Gestyn


    Gibbons


    Gibbons - Handy, Mary
    Grant - Handy, Mary Huntley
    Gray of Buttergask
    Gray
    Gray of Buttergask, Catharine - Stewart - Ruthven
    Gray, Mary aka Mary Gray - Seaton – Ruthven
    Gruffydd
    Gruffydd, Susanna verch Gruffydd
    Gruffydd ap Cynan
    Gwaethfoed
    Gwaethfoed , Gwerystan ap Gwaethfoed
    Gwair
    Gwair , Tegid ap Gwair
    Gwerystan
    Gwerystan, Cynfyn ap Gwerystan
    Gwladys verch Llywarch
    Gwriad
    Gwriad , Merfyn Frych ap Gwriad
    Gwriad ap Elidir
    Haer verch Cyllyn
    Haliburton
    Haliburton, Marjorie Stewart - aka Halyburton Countess of Atholl
    Haliburton, Sir Walter aka Lord Halyburton or Haliburton of Dirleton
    Halyburton
    Halyburton of Seton
    Halyburton, George, The 3rd/4th Lord of Dirletoun
    Halyburton, Isabel of Albany, Stewart - Halyburton of Dirleton Castle
    Halyburton, Marjorie Stewart aka Haliburton, Countess of Atholl
    Halyburton – Ruthven, Janet, The 6th Lady of Dirletoun
    Halyburton of Seton, Janet
    Halyburton, Margaret Douglas –
    Halyburton, Mariota
    Halyburton, Patrick- The 5th/6th Lord of Dirletoun
    Halyburton, Sir John
    Halyburton, Sir Walter aka Lord Halyburton or Haliburton of Dirleton Castle
    Halyburton , Sir Walter - of Dirleton Castle
    Handy, Anthony
    Handy, Benjamin Thomas aka Ben Handy – Partner, Astley’s Circus
    Handy, Benjamin Thomas aka Ben Handy – The Greatest Horseman in The World
    Handy, Benjamin Thomas aka Ben Handy - The Unparalleled Vaulting Horseman
    Handy, Charles
    Handy Circus Troupe aka Benjamin Handy Circus Troupe aka Ben Handy Circus Troupe
    Handy, Edward
    Handy, James
    Handy, James Edward (jr)
    Handy, Jane (UNKNOWN)
    Handy, Mary Grant Huntley
    Handy – Schwenger, Lynda Mae
    Handy Circus Troupe
    Helena of Mar
    Henderson – Ruthven , Mary
    Hunydd Einudd
    Huntley, Chief Neil – Catawba Tribe
    Huntley – Handy, Mary Grant
    Hywel Dda ap Cadell, King of the Britons
    Hywel
    Hywel, Owain ap Hywel
    Hutcheson – Ruthven, Elspeth
    Ida Eva Morton Russell
    Igerna ferch Amlawdd, of Dumnonia
    Iorwerth Drwyndwn ap Owain
    Isabel Stewart of Albany - Halyburton of Dirleton, Isabel
    Isobell Reid - Ruthven
    James Edward Handy, Jr.
    James Morton
    James Reid
    Janet Halyburton of Seton
    Janet Halyburton - Ruthven, 6th Lady Dirletoun
    Joan de Menteith
    Joan aka Joanna aka Johanna Douglas de Moray of Strathearn, Lady of Drumersgard

    John Halyburton, Sir
    John Menteith of Rusky & Knapdale
    John Ruthven
    John Ruthven
    John Ruthven
    Lake aka D’Alqs aka Del Acq aka Del Acqs
    King of Britain
    King of Britons
    ap Custennyn, Uther - Pendragon "The Head Dragon", King of Britons
    Hywel Dda ap Cadell, King of the Britons
    King of Gaul
    Bors, King of Gaul
    King of Gwynedd
    Owain Fawr ap Gruffydd, King of Gwynedd
    Ivoire ferch Llancelod
    Lady of The Lake aka
    D’Alqs, Vivane ~ Lady of The Lake aka Queen of Avalon, Queen of Camelot, Queen of Burgundy
    Del Acqs, Vivane ~ Lady of The Lake aka Queen of Avalon, Queen of Camelot, Queen of Burgundy
    Viviane Del Acq ~ Lady of The Lake aka Queen of Avalon, Queen of Camelot, Queen of Burgundy
    Llancelod
    Llewellyn
    Llewellyn, Angharad verch Llewellyn
    Llewellyn ap Merfyn
    Llywarch
    Llywarch, Elen verch Llywarch
    Llywarch, Gwladys verch Llywarch
    Llywarch Hen
    Llywarch Hen, Dwywg ap Llywarch Hen
    Llywelyn
    Llywelyn, Efa (Eva) verch Llywelyn
    Llywelyn ap Iorwerth, Prince of Wales
    Lorwerth
    ap Iorwerth, Llywelyn - Prince of Wales
    Lynda Mae Handy – Schwenger
    MacDomhnaill
    MacDomhnaill, Gartnait – The 7th Earl of Mar
    Madog
    Madog, Marared verch
    Madog ap Maredudd
    Mar
    Mar, Helena of
    Marared verch Madog
    March
    March, Janet of Dunbar of March – Janet of March, Janet of March - Seton of Seton
    Maredudd
    Maredudd, Madog ap
    Maredudd , Angharad verch Maredudd
    Maredudd ap Bleddyn
    Maredudd ap Owain
    Margaret Douglas – Halyburton
    Margaret Morton
    Margaret Thompson – Ruthven
    Margaret Weatherspoon - Ruthven
    Margaret Wotherspoon – Ruthven
    Marian Ruthven - Handy
    Marion Clerk - Ruthven
    Marion Rennie – Ruthven
    Mariota Halyburton
    Marjorie Stewart - Haliburton aka Halyburton Countess of Atholl
    Marrion Margaret Peadie-Ruthven
    Marthok nic Niall, Countess of Carrick
    Mary Henderson – Ruthven
    Mary Gray - Seaton - Ruthven
    Mary Moray of Drumsargard
    Mary Stewart of Menteith, Countess of Menteith
    Matilda of Flint
    Maurice Moray, of Drumsargard, Earl of Strathearn
    Madog ap Maredudd
    Menteith
    Menteith, John of Rusky & Knapdale
    Merfyn
    Merfyn, Llewellyn ap Merfyn
    Merfyn, Rhodri Mawr ap Merfyn
    Merfyn ap Rhodri Mawr, Brenin Powys
    Merfyn Frych ap Gwriad
    Meurig
    Meurig, Angharad verch Meurig
    Meurig ap Dyfnwallon
    MORAY
    Moray, Sir John of Drumsargard
    Moray, Mary of Drumsargard
    Moray, Maurice of Drumsargard, Earl of Strathearn
    Morgause (Anna)
    Morien
    Morien, Einudd ap Morien, Lord of Duffryn
    Morton
    Morton, James
    Morton, Margaret
    Neil Huntley, Chief – Catawba Tribe
    Nesta verch Cadell
    nic Niall
    nic Niall, Marthok, Countess of Carrick Countess of Carrick
    Owain
    Owain Fawr ap Gruffydd, King of Gwynedd
    Owain, Angharad verch
    Owain, Maredudd ap Owain
    Owain ap Hywel
    Patrick Halyburton, 5th/6th Lord Dirletoun
    Peadie-Ruthven, Marrion Margaret
    Pendragon aka
    Uther ap Custennyn, Pendragon Lineage: "The Head Dragon", King of Britons
    Prince of Wales
    - Llywelyn ap Iorwerth, Prince of Wales
    Queen of Avalon
    D’Alqs, Vivane ~ Lady of The Lake aka Queen of Avalon, Queen of Camelot, Queen of Burgundy
    Del Acqs, Vivane ~ Lady of The Lake aka Queen of Avalon, Queen of Camelot, Queen of Burgundy
    Viviane Del Acq ~ Lady of The Lake aka Queen of Avalon, Queen of Camelot, Queen of Burgundy
    Queen of Camelot
    D’Alqs, Vivane ~ Lady of The Lake aka Queen of Avalon, Queen of Camelot, Queen of Burgundy
    Del Acqs, Vivane ~ Lady of The Lake aka Queen of Avalon, Queen of Camelot, Queen of Burgundy
    Viviane Del Acq ~ Lady of The Lake aka Queen of Avalon, Queen of Camelot, Queen of Burgundy

    Queen of Burgundy
    D’Alqs, Vivane ~ Lady of The Lake aka Queen of Avalon, Queen of Camelot, Queen of Burgundy
    Del Acqs, Vivane ~ Lady of The Lake aka Queen of Avalon, Queen of Camelot, Queen of Burgundy
    Viviane Del Acq ~ Lady of The Lake aka Queen of Avalon, Queen of Camelot, Queen of Burgundy
    Reid, James
    Reid – Ruthven, Isobell
    Rennie – Ruthven, Marion
    Rhodri
    Rhodri , Cynan Dindaethwy ap Rhodri
    Rhodri , Cynan Dindaethwy ap Rhodri
    Rhodri Mawr, Brenin Powys
    Rhodri Mawr, Brenin Powys , Merfyn ap Rhodri Mawr, Brenin Powys
    Rhodri Mawr, Brenin Powys , Merfyn ap Rhodri Mawr, Brenin Powys
    Robert de Bruce, 6th Lord of Annandale
    Robert J. Russell
    Robert Ruthven
    Russell
    Russell – Handy, Ida Eva Morton
    Ruthven, Isobell Reid –
    Ruthven, Janet Halyburton -, The 6th Lady Dirletoun Castle
    Ruthven, Marion Clerk –
    Ruthven, Mary Gray - Seaton -
    Ruthven, Robert
    Russell, Robert J.
    Ruthven
    Ruthven, Alexander
    Ruthven, Elspeth Hutcheson
    Ruthven, George
    Ruthven, John
    Ruthven – Handy, Marian
    Ruthven, Margaret Thompson
    Ruthven, Margaret Weatherspoon
    Ruthven, Margaret Wotherspoon
    Ruthven, Marion Rennie
    Ruthven, Mary Henderson
    Ruthven, Marrion Margaret Peadie
    Ruthven, Robert
    Ruthven, William
    Ruthven, Sir William
    Ruthven, William Alexander
    Ruthven, William,, 2nd Lord of Ruthven
    Ruthven, William - Master of Ruthven
    Sandde
    Sandde, Elidir ap Sandde
    Sandde ap Alcwn
    Schwenger
    Schwenger – Lynda Mae Handy-
    Schwenger, Murray Bruce
    Schwenger, Susan Lynne
    Selyfan, Constantine ap, King of Britain
    Seton
    Seton of Seton, Janet Dunbar of March -
    Seton of Seton, Sir William
    Sir James Douglas of Lothian
    Sir John Halyburton
    Sir John Moray of Drumsargard
    Sir William Ruthven
    Sir Walter Halyburton, Lord Halyburton of Dirleton
    Sir Walter Halyburton of Dirleton
    Sir William Seton of Seton
    Stewart
    Stewart of Albany
    Stewart - Halyburton of Dirleton, Isabel of Albany
    Stewart, Marjorie - Haliburton aka Halyburton Countess of Atholl
    Stewart, Mary of Menteith, Countess of Menteith
    Stewart – Ruthven, Catherine Gray of Buttergask –
    Stewart, Walter - Earl of Menteith
    Stonehenge, Wiltshire, England
    Strathearn
    Susanna verch Gruffydd
    Tegid
    Tegid , Alcwn ap Tegid
    Tegid ap Gwair
    The Greatest Horseman in The World – Benjamin aka Ben Thomas Handy, Partner of Astley’s Circus
    The Unparalleled Vaulting Horseman – Benjamin aka Ben Thomas Handy, Partner of Astley’s Circus
    The Head Dragon - Uther ap Custennyn, Pendragon Lineage: "The Head Dragon", King of Britons
    Thompson – Ruthven , Margaret
    Tintagel Castle, Cornwall, England
    Tudwal
    Tudwal, Celeinion verch Tudwal
    Tudwal ap Anarawd, Brenin Ynys Manau
    Unknown – Handy, Jane
    Uther Pendragon aka Uther ap Custennyn-Pendragon Lineages: "The Head Dragon", King of Britons
    verch Cadell
    verch Cadell, Nesta verch Cadell
    verch Cyllyn
    verch Cyllyn, Haer verch Cyllyn
    verch Cynan
    Esyllt verch Cynan
    verch Gruffydd
    verch Gruffydd, Susanna verch Gruffydd
    verch Llywarch
    verch Llywarch, Elen
    verch Llywarch, Gwladys
    verch Llewellyn
    verch Llewellyn, Angharad verch Llewellyn
    verch Llywelyn
    verch Llywelyn, Efa (Eva) verch Llywelyn
    verch Madog
    verch Madog, Marared
    verch Maredudd
    verch Maredudd , Angharad verch Maredudd
    verch Meurig
    verch Meurig, Angharad verch Meurig
    verch Owain
    Angharad verch Owain
    verch Tudwal
    verch Tudwal, Celeinion verch Tudwal
    Viola Mae Handy - Drury
    Viviane, Lady of The Lake aka Lake aka
    D’Alqs, Vivane ~ Lady of The Lake aka Queen of Avalon, Queen of Camelot, Queen of Burgundy
    Del Acqs, Vivane ~ Lady of The Lake aka Queen of Avalon, Queen of Camelot, Queen of Burgundy
    Viviane Del Acq ~ Lady of The Lake aka Queen of Avalon, Queen of Camelot, Queen of Burgundy
    Walter Haliburton, Sir – Lord Halyburton – Haliburton of Direleton Castle
    Walter Halyburton, Sir - Lord Halyburton – Haliburton of Dirleton Castle


    Walter Halyburton, Sir - of Dirleton Castle
    Walter Stewart, Earl of Menteith


    Weatherspoon – Ruthven, Margaret

    William Alexander Ruthven

    William de Mar, 5th Earl of Mar


    William Ruthven
    William Ruthven, Sir
    William Ruthven, 2nd Lord of Ruthven
    William Ruthven, Master of Ruthven

    William Seton of Seton , Sir

    William "Braveheart" Wallace, Sir

    Wotherspoon – Ruthven, Margaret


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    Post  THEeXchanger Fri Sep 27, 2013 1:17 pm

    Question: The isis links don't work properly

    Answer: Someone hacked them on geni

    however, this one works: http://www.geni.com/people/Isis-Reina-de-los-Dioses/6000000006277550280
    Isis Reina de los Dioses
    Isis Reina de los Dioses is your 109th great grandmother.
    Isis Reina de los Dioses
    Birth: estimated before 3205BCE
    Immediate Family:

    Daughter of Amón-Ra Dios del Sol and Amonet Diosa de lo Oculto
    Wife of Osiris Dios de la Vida después de la Muerte
    Mother of Horus Dios del Cielo, el Sol y la Guerra
    Added by:

    Enrique Caballero Peraza on October 2, 2009

    Susan Lynne Schwenger is the 109th great granddaughter of ISIS

    You




    Lynda Mae Handy - Schwenger
    your mother



    JAMES "Jim" EDWARD HANDY JR.
    her father



    JAMES HANDY
    his father



    Marian Ruthven - Handy
    his mother



    Alexander Ruthven
    her father



    Robert Ruthven
    his father



    John Ruthven
    his father



    John Ruthven
    his father



    John Ruthven
    his father



    George Ruthven
    his father



    William Alexander Ruthven
    his father



    William Ruthven
    his father



    Sir William Ruthven
    his father



    Janet Ruthven (Halyburton), 6th Lady Dirletoun
    his mother



    Patrick Halyburton, 5th/6th Lord Dirletoun
    her father



    George Halyburton, 3rd/4th Lord Dirletoun
    his father



    Janet Halyburton, of Seton
    his mother



    Sir William Seton of Seton
    her father



    Katherine Sinclair of Herdmanstoun
    his mother



    Elizabeth Sinclair, de Polwarth
    her mother



    Sir Patrick Polwarth, of that ilk
    her father



    Emma/Eva de Polwarth
    his mother



    Philip de Seton
    her father



    Alexander de Seton
    his father



    Walter de Seton
    his father



    Saier "Dougall" de Lens
    his father



    Lambert II de Boulogne, comte de Lens
    his father



    Mahaut de Louvaine
    his mother



    Lambert I, graaf van Leuven en Brussel
    her father



    Régnier III, comte de Hainaut
    his father



    Regnier II, Count of Hainaut
    his father



    Régnier I, comte de Hainaut
    his father



    Giselbert von der Darnau, Comte d'Aquitaine et Brabant
    his father



    Bertswinda de Hesbaye
    his mother



    Sigrimaine, Count of Hesbaye
    her father



    Lambert II, Bishop of Metz
    his father



    Warinus, Count of Poitiers
    his father



    Bodilon de Trèves
    his father



    Warnacher I, Mayor of the Palace of Burgundy
    his father



    Ansbertus / Ausbert de Moselle
    his father



    Duke Ferreolus de Rodez
    his father



    Tonantius Ferreolus, III
    his father



    Papianilla Avita
    his mother



    Son of Adelphius or Hermogenianus de Limoges
    her father



    [Adelphius or Hermogenianus]
    his father



    Anicia Faltonia Proba
    his mother



    Turrania Anicia Juliana
    her mother



    Anicius Auchenius Bassus
    her father



    Amnius Manius Caesonius Nichomachus Anicius Paulinus
    his father



    Amnius Anicius Julianus
    his father



    Sextus Anicius Faustus Paulinianus
    his father



    Asinia Juliana Nicomacha
    his mother



    Gaius Asinius Nicomachus Julianus
    her father



    Gaius Asinius Quadratus Protimus
    his father



    Julia Quadratilla
    his mother



    Aulus Julius
    her father



    Julia Quadratilla Bassa
    his mother



    Julia Iotapa
    her mother



    Alexander, King of Cilicia
    her father



    Tigranes VI, King of Armenia
    his father



    Alexander II of Judaea
    his father



    Glaphyra of Cappadocia
    his mother



    Archelaus, King of Cappadocia
    her father



    Berenice IV Ptolemy, Princess of Egypt
    his mother



    Ptolemy XII (d. 51 BC)
    her father



    Ptolemy IX Soter II (d. c. 81 BC)
    his father



    Ptolemy VIII Euergetes II Tryphon (d. 116 BC)
    his father



    Ptolemy V Epiphanes Eucharistos (d. 180 BC)
    his father



    Ptolemy IV Philopator
    his father



    Ptolemy III Eurgetes Tryphon
    his father



    Ptolemy II Philadelphus (d. 246 BC)
    his father



    Ptolemy I Soter, Satrap and Pharaoh of Egypt (d. 282 BC)
    his father



    Arisonoe the Argead
    his father



    Meleager of Macedonia
    his father



    Bocrus of Macedonia
    his father



    King Amyntas I of Macedonia
    his father



    King Alketas of Macedonia
    his father



    King Aeropos of Macedonia
    his father



    King Philippos I of Macedonia
    his father



    King Argaios of Macedonia
    his father



    King Perdikkas of Macedonia
    his father



    King Tirimmos of Macedonia
    his father



    King Koinos of Macedonia
    his father



    King Karanos of Macedonia
    his father



    Aristomidas
    his father



    Acous
    his father



    Thestrus
    his father



    Maron
    his father



    Ceisus
    his father



    Temenus
    his father



    Aristomakhos
    his father



    Cleodemus
    his father



    Hyllus
    his father



    Heracles (Hercules) of Argos, King of Tiryns (1286-1226 BC)
    his father



    Princess Alcmene (Alkmênê: “Might of the Moon”) of Mycenea
    his mother



    King Elektryon of Mycenea
    her father



    Perseus of Mycenea
    his father



    Princess Danaë of Argos
    his mother



    Acrisius, King of Argos
    her father



    Abas, King of Argos
    his father



    Prince Lynceus of Aigyptos
    his father



    King Aegyptus / Αἴγυπτος
    his father



    King Hotepsekhemwi (Boethos \ Belus) of Egypt
    his father



    Semiramis (Sarpanitu) .
    his mother



    Aha (Menes) Pharaoh of Egypt, Pharoah of Egypt
    her father



    Narmer, Pharaoh of Egypt
    his father



    Serket (Scorpion) Pharaoh of Egypt
    his father



    Ka Faraón de Egipto
    his father



    Iry-Hor Faraón de Egipto
    his father



    Horus Dios del Cielo, el Sol y la Guerra
    his father



    Isis Reina de los Dioses
    his mother

    your 109th great grandmother

    http://www.geni.com/people/Isis-Reina-de-los-Dioses/6000000006277550280

    *****************************************************************************************

    Amón-Ra Dios del Sol is your 110th great grandfather.

    http://www.geni.com/people/Am%C3%B3n-Ra-Dios-del-Sol/6000000006277494433?through=6000000006277550280
    Amón-Ra Dios del Sol is your 110th great grandfather - Father of ISIS
    Birth: estimated before 3205BCE
    Immediate Family:

    Husband of Amonet Diosa de lo Oculto
    Father of Isis Reina de los Dioses
    Added by: Enrique Caballero Peraza on October 2, 2009
    Managed by:

    Enrique Caballero Peraza, and Ronald Gordon Hanson

    Susan Lynne Schwenger is the 110th Great Granddaughter of Amen-RA

    http://www.geni.com/people/Am%C3%B3n-Ra-Dios-del-Sol/6000000006277494433?through=6000000006277550280

    Susan Lynne Schwenger -- You




    Lynda Mae Handy - Schwenger
    your mother



    JAMES "Jim" EDWARD HANDY JR.
    her father



    JAMES HANDY
    his father



    Marian Ruthven - Handy
    his mother



    Alexander Ruthven
    her father



    Robert Ruthven
    his father



    John Ruthven
    his father



    John Ruthven
    his father



    John Ruthven
    his father



    George Ruthven
    his father



    William Alexander Ruthven
    his father



    William Ruthven
    his father



    Sir William Ruthven
    his father



    Janet Ruthven (Halyburton), 6th Lady Dirletoun
    his mother



    Patrick Halyburton, 5th/6th Lord Dirletoun
    her father



    George Halyburton, 3rd/4th Lord Dirletoun
    his father



    Janet Halyburton, of Seton
    his mother



    Sir William Seton of Seton
    her father



    Katherine Sinclair of Herdmanstoun
    his mother



    Elizabeth Sinclair, de Polwarth
    her mother



    Sir Patrick Polwarth, of that ilk
    her father



    Emma/Eva de Polwarth
    his mother



    Philip de Seton
    her father



    Alexander de Seton
    his father



    Walter de Seton
    his father



    Saier "Dougall" de Lens
    his father



    Lambert II de Boulogne, comte de Lens
    his father



    Mahaut de Louvaine
    his mother



    Lambert I, graaf van Leuven en Brussel
    her father



    Régnier III, comte de Hainaut
    his father



    Regnier II, Count of Hainaut
    his father



    Régnier I, comte de Hainaut
    his father



    Giselbert von der Darnau, Comte d'Aquitaine et Brabant
    his father



    Bertswinda de Hesbaye
    his mother



    Sigrimaine, Count of Hesbaye
    her father



    Lambert II, Bishop of Metz
    his father



    Warinus, Count of Poitiers
    his father



    Bodilon de Trèves
    his father



    Warnacher I, Mayor of the Palace of Burgundy
    his father



    Ansbertus / Ausbert de Moselle
    his father



    Duke Ferreolus de Rodez
    his father



    Tonantius Ferreolus, III
    his father



    Papianilla Avita
    his mother



    Son of Adelphius or Hermogenianus de Limoges
    her father



    [Adelphius or Hermogenianus]
    his father



    Anicia Faltonia Proba
    his mother



    Turrania Anicia Juliana
    her mother



    Anicius Auchenius Bassus
    her father



    Amnius Manius Caesonius Nichomachus Anicius Paulinus
    his father



    Amnius Anicius Julianus
    his father



    Sextus Anicius Faustus Paulinianus
    his father



    Asinia Juliana Nicomacha
    his mother



    Gaius Asinius Nicomachus Julianus
    her father



    Gaius Asinius Quadratus Protimus
    his father



    Julia Quadratilla
    his mother



    Aulus Julius
    her father



    Julia Quadratilla Bassa
    his mother



    Julia Iotapa
    her mother



    Alexander, King of Cilicia
    her father



    Tigranes VI, King of Armenia
    his father



    Alexander II of Judaea
    his father



    Glaphyra of Cappadocia
    his mother



    Archelaus, King of Cappadocia
    her father



    Berenice IV Ptolemy, Princess of Egypt
    his mother



    Ptolemy XII (d. 51 BC)
    her father



    Ptolemy IX Soter II (d. c. 81 BC)
    his father



    Ptolemy VIII Euergetes II Tryphon (d. 116 BC)
    his father



    Ptolemy V Epiphanes Eucharistos (d. 180 BC)
    his father



    Ptolemy IV Philopator
    his father



    Ptolemy III Eurgetes Tryphon
    his father



    Ptolemy II Philadelphus (d. 246 BC)
    his father



    Ptolemy I Soter, Satrap and Pharaoh of Egypt (d. 282 BC)
    his father



    Arisonoe the Argead
    his father



    Meleager of Macedonia
    his father



    Bocrus of Macedonia
    his father



    King Amyntas I of Macedonia
    his father



    King Alketas of Macedonia
    his father



    King Aeropos of Macedonia
    his father



    King Philippos I of Macedonia
    his father



    King Argaios of Macedonia
    his father



    King Perdikkas of Macedonia
    his father



    King Tirimmos of Macedonia
    his father



    King Koinos of Macedonia
    his father



    King Karanos of Macedonia
    his father



    Aristomidas
    his father



    Acous
    his father



    Thestrus
    his father



    Maron
    his father



    Ceisus
    his father



    Temenus
    his father



    Aristomakhos
    his father



    Cleodemus
    his father



    Hyllus
    his father



    Heracles (Hercules) of Argos, King of Tiryns (1286-1226 BC)
    his father



    Princess Alcmene (Alkmênê: “Might of the Moon”) of Mycenea
    his mother



    King Elektryon of Mycenea
    her father



    Perseus of Mycenea
    his father



    Princess Danaë of Argos
    his mother



    Acrisius, King of Argos
    her father



    Abas, King of Argos
    his father



    Prince Lynceus of Aigyptos
    his father



    King Aegyptus / Αἴγυπτος
    his father



    King Hotepsekhemwi (Boethos \ Belus) of Egypt
    his father



    Semiramis (Sarpanitu) .
    his mother



    Aha (Menes) Pharaoh of Egypt, Pharoah of Egypt
    her father



    Narmer, Pharaoh of Egypt
    his father



    Serket (Scorpion) Pharaoh of Egypt
    his father



    Ka Faraón de Egipto
    his father



    Iry-Hor Faraón de Egipto
    his father



    Horus Dios del Cielo, el Sol y la Guerra
    his father



    Isis Reina de los Dioses
    his mother



    Amón-Ra Dios del Sol
    her father

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    Post  THEeXchanger Fri Sep 27, 2013 1:37 pm

    My cousin, Iona Miller
    has a lot of backup info on this link

    http://herebedragons.weebly.com/bennie-lines.html

    (it takes a long time to load)

    or; see it on this link on thuban:

    http://www.thuban.spruz.com/forums/?page=post&fid=73202E8F-6404-4AB8-A825-FDDBD7D765EE&lastp=1&id=61610479-1C00-4366-8B4F-96A837342265
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    Post  THEeXchanger Wed Oct 09, 2013 12:04 pm

    The Dragon Master gold pendant, Persian, first century A.D.

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    Post  THEeXchanger Wed Oct 09, 2013 12:26 pm

    http://www.geni.com/people/H%C3%A9ribert-de-Furnes/6000000009305030355?through=6000000009305030352

    Héribert de Furnes is your 31st great grandfather.

    Susan Lynne Schwenger

    You




    Lynda Mae Handy - Schwenger
    your mother



    JAMES "Jim" EDWARD HANDY JR.
    her father



    JAMES HANDY
    his father



    Marian Ruthven - Handy
    his mother



    Alexander Ruthven
    her father



    Robert Ruthven
    his father



    John Ruthven
    his father



    John Ruthven
    his father



    John Ruthven
    his father



    George Ruthven
    his father



    William Alexander Ruthven
    his father



    William Ruthven
    his father



    Sir William Ruthven
    his father



    William Ruthven, 2nd Lord of Ruthven
    his father



    Catherine Gray of Buttergask - Stewart - Ruthven
    his mother



    Elisabeth Stewart, Countess of Argyll
    her mother



    John Stewart, 1st Earl of Atholl
    her father



    Joan Beaufort, Queen consort of Scots
    his mother



    Margaret Holland, Duchess of Clarence
    her mother



    Thomas Holland, 2nd Earl of Kent
    her father



    Joan "The Fair Maid of Kent" Plantagenet
    his mother



    Margaret Wake, 3rd Baroness Wake of Liddell
    her mother



    Joan de Fiennes
    her mother



    Guillaume II de Fiennes, baron de Tingry, Lord of Wendover
    her father



    Enguerrand II de Fiennes, baron de Tingry
    his father



    Guillaume, seigneur de Fiennes et de Tingry
    his father



    Enguerrand I de Fiennes, Lord of Martock
    his father



    Eustache II, seigneur de Fiennes
    his father



    Conon de Fiennes, seigneur de Fiennes
    his father



    Adèle de Salvesse, dame d'Ardres
    his mother



    Erard de Furnes
    her father



    Hernulfe de Furnes
    his father



    Héribert de Furnes
    his father
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    Post  THEeXchanger Wed Oct 09, 2013 12:31 pm

    http://www.geni.com/people/Leibulfe-de-Provence/6000000010738631350?through=6000000010736510034

    Leibulfe de Provence is your 38th great grandfather.

    Susan Lynne Schwenger

    You




    Lynda Mae Handy - Schwenger
    your mother



    JAMES "Jim" EDWARD HANDY JR.
    her father



    JAMES HANDY
    his father



    Marian Ruthven - Handy
    his mother



    Alexander Ruthven
    her father



    Robert Ruthven
    his father



    John Ruthven
    his father



    John Ruthven
    his father



    John Ruthven
    his father



    George Ruthven
    his father



    William Alexander Ruthven
    his father



    William Ruthven
    his father



    Sir William Ruthven
    his father



    William Ruthven, 2nd Lord of Ruthven
    his father



    Catherine Gray of Buttergask - Stewart - Ruthven
    his mother



    Elisabeth Stewart, Countess of Argyll
    her mother



    John Stewart, 1st Earl of Atholl
    her father



    Joan Beaufort, Queen consort of Scots
    his mother



    Margaret Holland, Duchess of Clarence
    her mother



    Thomas Holland, 2nd Earl of Kent
    her father



    Joan "The Fair Maid of Kent" Plantagenet
    his mother



    Margaret Wake, 3rd Baroness Wake of Liddell
    her mother



    Joan de Fiennes
    her mother



    Guillaume II de Fiennes, baron de Tingry, Lord of Wendover
    her father



    Enguerrand II de Fiennes, baron de Tingry
    his father



    Guillaume, seigneur de Fiennes et de Tingry
    his father



    Enguerrand I de Fiennes, Lord of Martock
    his father



    Eustache II, seigneur de Fiennes
    his father



    Conon de Fiennes, seigneur de Fiennes
    his father



    Adèle de Salvesse, dame d'Ardres
    his mother



    Adelle de Selvesse, dame d'Ardres
    her mother



    Mahaut de Marseille
    her mother



    Jaufre I, Vescomte de Marselha
    her father



    Guillaume II, III. vicomte de Marseille
    his father



    Guillaume I, 2e vicomte de Marseille
    his father



    Pons II, II. vicomte d'Arles et de Marseille
    his father



    Ison d'Arles
    his father



    Pons d'Arles
    his father



    Leibulfe des Baux
    his father



    Leibulfe de Provence
    his father
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    Post  THEeXchanger Wed Oct 09, 2013 6:38 pm

    http://www.geni.com/people/Saint-Helena-of-he-Cross/6000000002122805101?through=6000000002120145230


    Flavia Iulia Helena Augusta "of the Cross" aka
    Saint Helena of the Cross

    Place of Burial: Vatican, Rome, Italy
    Birth: circa 250
    Drepanum in Bithynia, or 246
    Death: August 18, 330 (80)
    Constantinople,Byzantium Empire,,Turkey, or 8/18/330
    Immediate Family:

    Wife of Constantius I Chlorus, Roman Emperor

    Mother of Constantine I "the Great", Roman Emperor

    Added by: Therese Marie Catherine Bilodeau (Sanders) on June 6, 2007
    Managed by: Jocelynn Elaine Oakes and 95 others
    Curated by: Catherine "Erin" Spiceland

    LINEAGE:
    Saint Helena of the Cross is your 42nd great grandmother.

    http://www.geni.com/people/Saint-Helena-of-the-Cross/6000000002122805101?through=6000000002120145230

    Susan Lynne Schwenger is the 42nd great granddaughter of Saint Helena of The Cross
    aka Flavia Iulia Helena Augusta "of the Cross"

    Susan Lynne Schwenger
    You


    Lynda Mae Handy - Schwenger
    your mother


    JAMES "Jim" EDWARD HANDY JR.
    her father



    JAMES HANDY
    his father



    Marian Ruthven - Handy
    his mother



    Alexander Ruthven
    her father



    Robert Ruthven
    his father



    John Ruthven
    his father



    John Ruthven
    his father



    John Ruthven
    his father



    George Ruthven
    his father



    William Alexander Ruthven
    his father



    William Ruthven
    his father



    Sir William Ruthven
    his father



    Janet Ruthven (Halyburton), 6th Lady Dirletoun
    his mother



    Patrick Halyburton, 5th/6th Lord Dirletoun
    her father



    George Halyburton, 3rd/4th Lord Dirletoun
    his father



    Sir John Halyburton
    his father



    Marjorie Stewart Haliburton, Countess of Atholl
    his mother



    Joanna Moray, Lady of Drumersgard
    her mother



    Joan de Menteith
    her mother



    Helena of Mar
    her mother



    Gartnait MacDomhnaill, 7th Earl of Mar
    her father



    Elen ferch Llywelyn
    his mother



    Llywelyn ap Iorwerth, Prince of Wales
    her father



    Iorwerth Drwyndwn ap Owain
    his father



    Gwladys verch Llywarch
    his mother



    Dyddgu verch Iorwerth
    her mother



    Iorwerth ap Cadwgon
    her father



    Cadwgon ap Elystan
    his father



    Elystan Glodrydd ap Cuhelyn, Earl of Hereford
    his father



    Cuhelyn ap Ifor, Lord of Builth
    his father



    Ifor ap Seferws, Lord of Builth
    his father



    Seferus King of Builth, Lord of Builth
    his father



    Cadwr ap Idnerth, King of Builth
    his father



    Idnerth ab Iowerth
    his father



    Arianwen verch Brychan, Saint
    his mother



    St. Brychan Gododdin, Brenin Brycheiniog
    her father



    Anlach Goronog mac Cormac, King of Ireland
    his father



    Gratiana of Galloway
    his mother



    Helen (Saint) of the Hosts
    her mother



    Constantia of Rome
    her mother



    Fausta of Rome
    her mother



    Constantine I "the Great", Roman Emperor
    her father



    Saint Helena of the Cross
    his mother
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    Post  THEeXchanger Wed Oct 09, 2013 8:26 pm

    www.geni.com/people/Neith-Goddess-of-Wisdom-War-and-Hunting/6000000022837665587

    Neith Goddess of Wisdom, War and Hunting is your 113th great grandmother.

    Neith Goddess of Wisdom, War and Hunting
    Birth: estimated before 3205BCE
    Immediate Family:

    Wife of Ptah God the Creator
    Mother of Ra / Re / Thot Gods of Knowledge, Wisdom and Sun
    Added by: Gomburza Acosta on October 6, 2013
    Managed by: Gomburza Acosta

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    Lineage:

    Neith Goddess of Wisdom, War and Hunting is your 113th great grandmother.

    Susan Lynne Schwenger
    You




    Lynda Mae Handy - Schwenger
    your mother



    JAMES "Jim" EDWARD HANDY JR.
    her father



    JAMES HANDY
    his father



    Marian Ruthven - Handy
    his mother



    Alexander Ruthven
    her father



    Robert Ruthven
    his father



    John Ruthven
    his father



    John Ruthven
    his father



    John Ruthven
    his father



    George Ruthven
    his father



    William Alexander Ruthven
    his father



    William Ruthven
    his father



    Sir William Ruthven
    his father



    Janet Ruthven (Halyburton), 6th Lady Dirletoun
    his mother



    Patrick Halyburton, 5th/6th Lord Dirletoun
    her father



    George Halyburton, 3rd/4th Lord Dirletoun
    his father



    Janet Halyburton, of Seton
    his mother



    Sir William Seton of Seton
    her father



    Katherine Sinclair of Herdmanstoun
    his mother



    Elizabeth Sinclair, de Polwarth
    her mother



    Sir Patrick Polwarth, of that ilk
    her father



    Emma/Eva de Polwarth
    his mother



    Philip de Seton
    her father



    Alexander de Seton
    his father



    Walter de Seton
    his father



    Saier "Dougall" de Lens
    his father



    Lambert II de Boulogne, comte de Lens
    his father



    Mahaut de Louvaine
    his mother



    Lambert I, graaf van Leuven en Brussel
    her father



    Régnier III, comte de Hainaut
    his father



    Regnier II, Count of Hainaut
    his father



    Régnier I, comte de Hainaut
    his father



    Giselbert von der Darnau, Comte d'Aquitaine et Brabant
    his father



    Bertswinda de Hesbaye
    his mother



    Sigrimaine, Count of Hesbaye
    her father



    Lambert II, Bishop of Metz
    his father



    Warinus, Count of Poitiers
    his father



    Bodilon de Trèves
    his father



    Warnacher I, Mayor of the Palace of Burgundy
    his father



    Ansbertus / Ausbert de Moselle
    his father



    Duke Ferreolus de Rodez
    his father



    Tonantius Ferreolus, III
    his father



    Papianilla Avita
    his mother



    Son of Adelphius or Hermogenianus de Limoges
    her father



    [Adelphius or Hermogenianus]
    his father



    Anicia Faltonia Proba
    his mother



    Turrania Anicia Juliana
    her mother



    Anicius Auchenius Bassus
    her father



    Amnius Manius Caesonius Nichomachus Anicius Paulinus
    his father



    Amnius Anicius Julianus
    his father



    Sextus Anicius Faustus Paulinianus
    his father



    Asinia Juliana Nicomacha
    his mother



    Gaius Asinius Nicomachus Julianus
    her father



    Gaius Asinius Quadratus Protimus
    his father



    Julia Quadratilla
    his mother



    Aulus Julius
    her father



    Julia Quadratilla Bassa
    his mother



    Julia Iotapa
    her mother



    Alexander, King of Cilicia
    her father



    Tigranes VI, King of Armenia
    his father



    Alexander II of Judaea
    his father



    Glaphyra of Cappadocia
    his mother



    Archelaus, King of Cappadocia
    her father



    Berenice IV Ptolemy, Princess of Egypt
    his mother



    Ptolemy XII (d. 51 BC)
    her father



    Ptolemy IX Soter II (d. c. 81 BC)
    his father



    Ptolemy VIII Euergetes II Tryphon (d. 116 BC)
    his father



    Ptolemy V Epiphanes Eucharistos (d. 180 BC)
    his father



    Ptolemy IV Philopator
    his father



    Ptolemy III Eurgetes Tryphon
    his father



    Ptolemy II Philadelphus (d. 246 BC)
    his father



    Ptolemy I Soter, Satrap and Pharaoh of Egypt (d. 282 BC)
    his father



    Arisonoe the Argead
    his father



    Meleager of Macedonia
    his father



    Bocrus of Macedonia
    his father



    King Amyntas I of Macedonia
    his father



    King Alketas of Macedonia
    his father



    King Aeropos of Macedonia
    his father



    King Philippos I of Macedonia
    his father



    King Argaios of Macedonia
    his father



    King Perdikkas of Macedonia
    his father



    King Tirimmos of Macedonia
    his father



    King Koinos of Macedonia
    his father



    King Karanos of Macedonia
    his father



    Aristomidas
    his father



    Acous
    his father



    Thestrus
    his father



    Maron
    his father



    Ceisus
    his father



    Temenus
    his father



    Aristomakhos
    his father



    Cleodemus
    his father



    Hyllus
    his father



    Heracles (Hercules) of Argos, King of Tiryns (1286-1226 BC)
    his father



    Princess Alcmene (Alkmênê: “Might of the Moon”) of Mycenea
    his mother



    King Elektryon of Mycenea
    her father



    Perseus of Mycenea
    his father



    Princess Danaë of Argos
    his mother



    Acrisius, King of Argos
    her father



    Abas, King of Argos
    his father



    Prince Lynceus of Aigyptos
    his father



    King Aegyptus / Αἴγυπτος
    his father



    King Hotepsekhemwi (Boethos \ Belus) of Egypt
    his father



    Semiramis (Sarpanitu) .
    his mother



    Aha (Menes) Pharaoh of Egypt, Pharoah of Egypt
    her father



    Narmer, Pharaoh of Egypt
    his father



    Serket (Scorpion) Pharaoh of Egypt
    his father



    Ka Faraón de Egipto
    his father



    Iry-Hor Faraón de Egipto
    his father



    Horus Dios del Cielo, el Sol y la Guerra
    his father



    Osiris Dios de la Vida después de la Muerte
    his father



    Geb Dios de la Tierra
    his father



    Shu Dios del Viento
    his father



    Ra / Re / Thot Gods of Knowledge, Wisdom and Sun
    his father



    Neith Goddess of Wisdom, War and Hunting
    his mother

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    Post  THEeXchanger Wed Oct 09, 2013 8:40 pm

    http://www.geni.com/people/Nut-Diosa-del-Cielo/6000000006277494591?through=6000000006277494392

    Nut Diosa del Cielo is your 110th great grandmother

    LINEAGE:

    Susan Lynne Schwenger

    Nut Diosa del Cielo is your 110th great grandmother.

    You




    Lynda Mae Handy - Schwenger
    your mother



    JAMES "Jim" EDWARD HANDY JR.
    her father



    JAMES HANDY
    his father



    Marian Ruthven - Handy
    his mother



    Alexander Ruthven
    her father



    Robert Ruthven
    his father



    John Ruthven
    his father



    John Ruthven
    his father



    John Ruthven
    his father



    George Ruthven
    his father



    William Alexander Ruthven
    his father



    William Ruthven
    his father



    Sir William Ruthven
    his father



    Janet Ruthven (Halyburton), 6th Lady Dirletoun
    his mother



    Patrick Halyburton, 5th/6th Lord Dirletoun
    her father



    George Halyburton, 3rd/4th Lord Dirletoun
    his father



    Janet Halyburton, of Seton
    his mother



    Sir William Seton of Seton
    her father



    Katherine Sinclair of Herdmanstoun
    his mother



    Elizabeth Sinclair, de Polwarth
    her mother



    Sir Patrick Polwarth, of that ilk
    her father



    Emma/Eva de Polwarth
    his mother



    Philip de Seton
    her father



    Alexander de Seton
    his father



    Walter de Seton
    his father



    Saier "Dougall" de Lens
    his father



    Lambert II de Boulogne, comte de Lens
    his father



    Mahaut de Louvaine
    his mother



    Lambert I, graaf van Leuven en Brussel
    her father



    Régnier III, comte de Hainaut
    his father



    Regnier II, Count of Hainaut
    his father



    Régnier I, comte de Hainaut
    his father



    Giselbert von der Darnau, Comte d'Aquitaine et Brabant
    his father



    Bertswinda de Hesbaye
    his mother



    Sigrimaine, Count of Hesbaye
    her father



    Lambert II, Bishop of Metz
    his father



    Warinus, Count of Poitiers
    his father



    Bodilon de Trèves
    his father



    Warnacher I, Mayor of the Palace of Burgundy
    his father



    Ansbertus / Ausbert de Moselle
    his father



    Duke Ferreolus de Rodez
    his father



    Tonantius Ferreolus, III
    his father



    Papianilla Avita
    his mother



    Son of Adelphius or Hermogenianus de Limoges
    her father



    [Adelphius or Hermogenianus]
    his father



    Anicia Faltonia Proba
    his mother



    Turrania Anicia Juliana
    her mother



    Anicius Auchenius Bassus
    her father



    Amnius Manius Caesonius Nichomachus Anicius Paulinus
    his father



    Amnius Anicius Julianus
    his father



    Sextus Anicius Faustus Paulinianus
    his father



    Asinia Juliana Nicomacha
    his mother



    Gaius Asinius Nicomachus Julianus
    her father



    Gaius Asinius Quadratus Protimus
    his father



    Julia Quadratilla
    his mother



    Aulus Julius
    her father



    Julia Quadratilla Bassa
    his mother



    Julia Iotapa
    her mother



    Alexander, King of Cilicia
    her father



    Tigranes VI, King of Armenia
    his father



    Alexander II of Judaea
    his father



    Glaphyra of Cappadocia
    his mother



    Archelaus, King of Cappadocia
    her father



    Berenice IV Ptolemy, Princess of Egypt
    his mother



    Ptolemy XII (d. 51 BC)
    her father



    Ptolemy IX Soter II (d. c. 81 BC)
    his father



    Ptolemy VIII Euergetes II Tryphon (d. 116 BC)
    his father



    Ptolemy V Epiphanes Eucharistos (d. 180 BC)
    his father



    Ptolemy IV Philopator
    his father



    Ptolemy III Eurgetes Tryphon
    his father



    Ptolemy II Philadelphus (d. 246 BC)
    his father



    Ptolemy I Soter, Satrap and Pharaoh of Egypt (d. 282 BC)
    his father



    Arisonoe the Argead
    his father



    Meleager of Macedonia
    his father



    Bocrus of Macedonia
    his father



    King Amyntas I of Macedonia
    his father



    King Alketas of Macedonia
    his father



    King Aeropos of Macedonia
    his father



    King Philippos I of Macedonia
    his father



    King Argaios of Macedonia
    his father



    King Perdikkas of Macedonia
    his father



    King Tirimmos of Macedonia
    his father



    King Koinos of Macedonia
    his father



    King Karanos of Macedonia
    his father



    Aristomidas
    his father



    Acous
    his father



    Thestrus
    his father



    Maron
    his father



    Ceisus
    his father



    Temenus
    his father



    Aristomakhos
    his father



    Cleodemus
    his father



    Hyllus
    his father



    Heracles (Hercules) of Argos, King of Tiryns (1286-1226 BC)
    his father



    Princess Alcmene (Alkmênê: “Might of the Moon”) of Mycenea
    his mother



    King Elektryon of Mycenea
    her father



    Perseus of Mycenea
    his father



    Princess Danaë of Argos
    his mother



    Acrisius, King of Argos
    her father



    Abas, King of Argos
    his father



    Prince Lynceus of Aigyptos
    his father



    King Aegyptus / Αἴγυπτος
    his father



    King Hotepsekhemwi (Boethos \ Belus) of Egypt
    his father



    Semiramis (Sarpanitu) .
    his mother



    Aha (Menes) Pharaoh of Egypt, Pharoah of Egypt
    her father



    Narmer, Pharaoh of Egypt
    his father



    Serket (Scorpion) Pharaoh of Egypt
    his father



    Ka Faraón de Egipto
    his father



    Iry-Hor Faraón de Egipto
    his father



    Horus Dios del Cielo, el Sol y la Guerra
    his father



    Osiris Dios de la Vida después de la Muerte
    his father



    Nut Diosa del Cielo
    his mother
    Birth: estimated before 3205BCE
    Immediate Family:

    Daughter of Shu Dios del Viento and Tofnut Diosa de la Suavidad
    Wife of Geb Dios de la Tierra
    Mother of Osiris Dios de la Vida después de la Muerte and Seth
    Sister of Geb Dios de la Tierra
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    Post  THEeXchanger Thu Oct 10, 2013 9:52 am

    "The hidden ones; can no longer stay hidden"

    - Susan Lynne Schwenger

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    Post  THEeXchanger Fri Oct 11, 2013 11:59 am

    Beli "The Great" Mawr, King of Britain is your 49th great grandfather.

    http://www.geni.com/people/Beli-The-Great-King-of-Britain/6000000002709559312?through=6000000002288795849

    Lineage:
    Susan Lynne Schwenger
    You




    Lynda Mae Handy - Schwenger
    your mother



    JAMES "Jim" EDWARD HANDY JR.
    her father



    JAMES HANDY
    his father



    Marian Ruthven - Handy
    his mother



    Alexander Ruthven
    her father



    Robert Ruthven
    his father



    John Ruthven
    his father



    John Ruthven
    his father



    John Ruthven
    his father



    George Ruthven
    his father



    William Alexander Ruthven
    his father



    William Ruthven
    his father



    Sir William Ruthven
    his father



    Janet Ruthven (Halyburton), 6th Lady Dirletoun
    his mother



    Patrick Halyburton, 5th/6th Lord Dirletoun
    her father



    George Halyburton, 3rd/4th Lord Dirletoun
    his father



    Sir John Halyburton
    his father



    Marjorie Stewart Haliburton, Countess of Atholl
    his mother



    Joanna Moray, Lady of Drumersgard
    her mother



    Joan de Menteith
    her mother



    Helena of Mar
    her mother



    Gartnait MacDomhnaill, 7th Earl of Mar
    her father



    Elen ferch Llywelyn
    his mother



    Llywelyn ap Iorwerth, Prince of Wales
    her father



    Iorwerth Drwyndwn ap Owain
    his father



    Gwladys verch Llywarch
    his mother



    Dyddgu verch Iorwerth
    her mother



    Iorwerth ap Cadwgon
    her father



    Cadwgon ap Elystan
    his father



    Elystan Glodrydd ap Cuhelyn, Earl of Hereford
    his father



    Cuhelyn ap Ifor, Lord of Builth
    his father



    Ifor ap Seferws, Lord of Builth
    his father



    Seferus King of Builth, Lord of Builth
    his father



    Cadwr ap Idnerth, King of Builth
    his father



    Idnerth ab Iowerth
    his father



    Arianwen verch Brychan, Saint
    his mother



    Ribrawst verch Vortigern
    her mother



    Severa Macsen
    her mother



    St. Elen Lwyddog 'of the Host' of Britain
    her mother



    Eudaf ab Einydd
    her father



    Einudd Ap Gwrddwfn, King of Wales
    his father



    Gwrddwfin ap Cwrrig
    his father



    Cwrrig Goruc Mawr ap Meirchion, King of Wales
    his father



    Meirchion ap Owain, King of Wales
    his father



    Owain Eurgen ap Marius Cyllin, King of Wales
    his father



    St. Cyllin / Marius ap Caradog, King of Britain
    his father



    Arvirargus ap Cunobelin, King of the Catuvellauni
    his father



    Cunobelinus ap Tasciovanus, King of the Britons and the Catuvellauni
    his father



    Tasciovanus ap Llud, King of Catuvellauni
    his father



    Lludd Llaw Ereint, King of Britain
    his father



    Beli "The Great" Mawr, King of Britain
    his father

    Beli Mawr
    Place of Burial: Previously Siluria, Wales, United Kingdom
    Birth: -110
    Britain
    Death: -72 (38)
    Previously Siluria, Wales, United Kingdom
    Immediate Family:

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    Beli Mawr (translated into English as Beli the Great)
    was an ancestor figure in medieval Welsh literature and genealogies.
    He is the father of Caswallawn, Arianrhod, Lludd Llaw Eraint, Llefelys, and Afallach.
    In certain medieval genealogies he is listed as the husband of Anna,
    cousin of the Virgin Mary.

    Several royal lines in medieval Wales traced their ancestry to him.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beli_Mawr
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    Descents from Antiquity

    Internet genealogies suffer a well-known defect -- many of them accept as true many lines that are known by scholars to be false. Geni is no exception. In Geni’s early days, many users uploaded GEDCOM files with sleo purious and fantastic genealogies. As users we’ve done a lot of cleanup, merging duplicates and cutting bad connections, but there is a lot of work still to do.

    Usually, the term “Descents from Antiquity” refers to modern efforts to find plausible lines of descent. However, it can also include traditional descents that have varying degrees of reliability.

    This project is designed to help clean up the many fictitious genealogies and to focus attention on legitimate debate about extending our shared genealogy. You can help us by identifying questionable lines. It is generally unhelpful to simply say something like, “No one can prove a descent from Julius Caesar.” What is most helpful is to identify the specific generations where the evidence fails, search for reliable sources, then start a discussion.

    Because Geni is a collaborative environment, you should be cautious about cutting any connections mentioned here without starting a discussion and giving other users ample opportunity to weigh in.
    Medieval forgeries

    A common belief in antiquity and in the middle ages was that tribes took their name from a common ancestor. For example, the Historia Brittonum (Nennius, 9th century) names Alanus as the first man to live in Europe. He had a son Hiscion, and Hiscion’s four sons Francus, Romanus, Alamanus, and Brutus were the ancestors respectively of the French, Romans, Germans, and British. The name of this Alanus was probably a corrupted form of Mannus, the Old Germanic god who was the ancestor of mankind. Some scholars believe that Mannus was another name for Bor, the father of the god Odin in Norse tradition. In English, German and the Scandinavian languages we get our word man from Mannus.

    When the Europeans converted to Christianity, they had a problem. Their royal families were only a few generations removed from the old gods. And, worse. Exposed to Roman arts and sciences, they discovered the idea of “historical time”. The world was older than they had ever thought about. Their royal pedigrees weren’t long enough to go back to the creation of the world.

    From the Romans they learned that modern science had proved that everyone on earth was descended from Adam and Eve. (It said so in the Christian scriptures, which were absolutely true -- according the scholars.)

    The answer was simple and obvious. The old gods had to have been humans, famous men and great warriors who came to worshipped as gods. And, if they were human, they must have been descended from Adam and Eve like everyone else. The trick was to figure out how.

    One of the earliest surviving attempts to create this kind of genealogy is the Historia Brittonum by the Welsh monk Nennius (9th century), who recorded the following genealogy:

    (1) Noah, his son (2) Japheth, his son (3) Joham, his son (4) Jobath, his son (5) Bath, his son (6) Hisrau, his son (7) Esraa, his son (Cool Ra, his son (9) Aber, his son (10) Ooth, his son (11) Ethec, his son (12) Aurthack, his son (13) Ecthactur, his son (14) Ecthactur, his son (15) Mair, his son (16) Semion, his son (17) Boibus, his son (18) Thoi, his son (19) Ogomuin, his son (20) Fethuir, and his son (21) Alanus.

    Nennius also tied Alanus to Rome by making him a husband of Rhea Silvia, whose twin sons Romulus and Remus are said to have founded Rome in 753 BCE. The connection is scarcely credible historically, but served neatly to graft the eponymous ancestors of the northern Europeans onto classical tradition by making them brothers of Romulus, the eponymous ancestor of the Romans.

    These medieval genealogies connecting ancient kings to Adam are pure invention. They are interesting now because they show the history of history.
    England

    The Anglo-Saxons, forerunners of the modern English, were ruled by kings who claimed to be descended from the god Woden (Odin in the Norse versions). In later Scandinavian versions, Woden was the son of Bor, son of Búri. Some scholars believe that in the Germanic version, which included the Anglo-Saxons, Woden was the son of Mannus, the ancestor of mankind, who was son of Tuisto.

    English monks kept Woden, but dumped Bor and Búri. They “discovered” that Woden was descended from Noah, but the process took several tries.

    In one place, the 9th century Anglo-Saxon chronicle gives the following line. There are too few generations here, but this fragment might preserve the earliest non-divine version of Woden’s ancestry.

    (1) Noah, his son (2) ---, his son (3) Finn, who was born in the ark, his son (4) Freothelaf, his son (5) Frithuwald, his son (6) Woden.

    About the same time, Nennius in his Historia Brittonum gives a slightly different version. Here we get two more generations beyond Finn, which might also represent an authentic tradition.

    (1) Geat, “who, as they say, was the son of a god”, his son (2) Godwulf, his son (3) Finn, his son (4) Frithuwulf, his son (5) Frithowald, and his son (6) Woden.

    Nennius gives us more theology than genealogy. He says that Geat “as they say, was the son of a god, not of the omnipotent God and our Lord Jesus Christ (who before the beginning of the world, was with the Father and the Holy Spirit, co-eternal and of the same substance, and who, in compassion to human nature, disdained not to assume the form of a servant), but the offspring of one of their idols, and whom, blinded by some demon, they worshipped according to the custom of the heathen.”

    The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle is a collection of documents rather than a single document. In another place (855), it gives a fuller line.

    (1) Noe [Noah], his son (2) Sceaf, his son (3) Bedwig Sceafing, his son (4) Hwala Bedwiging, his son (5) Haþra Hwalaing, his son (6) Itermon Haðraing, his son (7) Heremod Itermoning, his son (Cool Sceldwea Heremoding, his son (9) Beaw Sceldwaing, his son (10) Taetwa Beawing, his son (11) Geat Taetwaing, his son (12) God wulf Geating, his son (13) Fin Godwulfing, his son (14) Frealaf Finning, and his son (15) Woden Frealafing. (Two of the Saxon Chronicles Parallel, Plummer and Earle (eds.), 66, 67 and note 6).

    A note says, “id est filius Noe se waes geboren on þaere earce Noes.” That is, “he [Sceaf] is the son of Noah, he was born in Noah’s ark.” This detail ties the old pagan tradition to the new Christian tradition. Sceaf was a Norse god who arrived by boat as a baby to rule the Danes. Now, he is neatly made the son of the Christian ark builder.

    Later monks, perhaps competing for prestige with the Franks, decided to dump Noah and take Woden’s ancestry back to Troy, then connect the Trojans to the Jewish scriptures. This version runs as follows. Note that the names of the new generations, between (10) and (16) have been drawn chiefly from nicknames of the old god Thor. Some of the other names might have been invented in a similar way.

    (1) Judah, ancestor of the tribe of Judah, his son (2) Zara, his son (3) Darda, his son (4) Erichthonious, his son (5) Tros, his son (6) Ilus, his son (7) Laomedon, his son (Cool Tithonius, his son (9) Memnon, his son (10) Thor, his son (11) Einridi, his son (12) Vingethor, his son (13) Vingener, his son (14) Móda, his son (15) Magi [Noe], his son (16) Sceaf [Seskef], his son (17) Bedwig [Bedvig], his son (18) Hwala, his son (19) Hrathra [Annarr], his son (20) Itermon [Ítermann], his son (21) Heremod [Heremód], his son (22) Heremod [Heremód], his son (23) Beaw [Bjárr], his son (24) Tætwa, his son (25) Geat [Ját], his son (26) Godwulf [Gudólfr], his son (27) Finn, his son (28) Frithuwulf, his son (29) Frealaf [Fridleifr], his son Frealaf [Fridleifr], his son (30) Freawine, his son (31) Frithuwald, and his son (32) Woden.

    Attempts to reconcile these genealogies by equating the human Frithuwald with the divine Bor, and the human Frealaf with divine Búri have been problematic, because they end by giving Woden a set of mythical relatives that include the Ice Giants.
    France

    The Franks, a confederation of Germanic tribes that formed the core of modern France, claimed descent from Francus (or Francio). According to one version of the story, Francus and his people were defeated by the Roman general Drusus in 11 BCE. Francus was killed, and they were relocated to the region between the Rhine and the Danube.

    Frankish monks linked Francus to the kings of Troy. The Chronicle of Fredegar (7th century) mentions the legend. It was elaborated in the Liber historiae Francorum (probably 727). Successive generations continued adding new details.

    In other words, the Franks claimed to be the distant cousins of the Romans (who claimed descent from Aeneas, another Trojan). It was a nice piece of political propaganda because it fit nicely with two things the Franks wanted to emphasize: (1) as cousins of the Romans they were equal to the Romans, and (2) as cousins and equals, they were the legitimate successors of the Roman empire.

    The Grandes Chroniques de France (13th - 15th centuries), a vast compilation of historic material, refers to the Trojan origins of the French dynasty.

    Johannes Trithemius' De origine gentis Francorum compendium (1514) describes the Franks as originally Trojans (called "Sicambers" or "Sicambrians") after the fall of Troy who came into Gaul after being forced out of the area around the mouth of the Danube by the Goths in 439 BCE (1:33). He also details the reigns of each of these kings—including Francus (43:76) from whom the Franks are named—and their battles with the Gauls, Goths, Saxons, etc.

    (Source: Wikipedia, Francus)
    Ireland

    John O'Hart (1824-1902), an Irish genealogist used ancient sources, such as the Lebor Gabála Érenn and the Annals of the Four Masters, to compile a genealogical history of Ireland, Irish pedigrees; or, The origin and stem of the Irish nation (1876). According to his work, the Irish kings are descended from Adam as follows:

       Adam
       Seth
       Enos
       Cainan
       Mahalaleel
       Jared
       Enoch
       Methuselah
       Lamech
       Noah
       Japhet
       Magog. Magog's four sons Boath, Faithechta, Jobbath, and Emoth are said to have been ancestors of the Irish kings.
       Baoth ("to whom Scythia came as his lot")
       Phoeniusa Farsaidh (Fenius Farsa), King of Scythia
       Neuil
       Gaodhal (Gathelus), married Scota
       Asruth
       Sruth (who fled Egypt to Creta)
       Heber Scut (returned to Scythia)
       Beouman, King of Scythia
       Ogaman, King of Scythia
       Tait, King of Scythia
       Agnon (who fled Scythia by sea with the majority of his people)
       Lamhfionn (who led his people to Gothia or Getulia, where Carthage was afterwards built)
       Heber Glunfionn, King of Gothia
       Agnan Fionn, King of Gothia
       Febric Glas, King of Gothia
       Nenuall, King of Gothia
       Nuadhad, King of Gothia
       Alladh, King of Gothia
       Arcadh, King of Gothia
       Deag, King of Gothia
       Brath, King of Gothia (who left Gothia with a large band of his people and settled in Galicia, Spain)
       Breoghan, King of Galicia, Andalusia, Murcia, Castile, and Portugal
       Bile, King of Galicia, Andalusia, Murcia, Castile, and Portugal
       Galamh (also known as Milesius of Spain), King of Galicia, Andalusia, Murcia, Castile, and Portugal, married Scota

    Milesius had four sons, Heber, Ir, Heremon, and Amergin, who were involved, along with their uncle Ithe, in the invasion of ancient Ireland. Milesius himself had died during the planning. Amergin died without issue during the invasion. It is from the four other invaders -- Heber, Ir, Heremon, and Ithe -- that the Irish descend. Conn of the Hundred Battles was a descendant of Heremon, and Brian Boru was descended from both Heber and Conn.

    (Source: Wikipedia, John O’Hart)

    Note: We need to clarify the extent to which O’Hart’s genealogies follow ancient sources, and whether any of it was his own invention.
    Ostrogoths

    The historian Jordanes wrote De origine actibusque Getarum ((The Origin and Deeds of the Getae/Goths, c531), commonly called the Getica. In it, he gives the history of the Goths.

    Jordanes traces the Ostrogothic royal family, the Amelungs (Amali), to Hulmul, son of Gapt (Getica, 14). This Gapt is thought to be the same person as the Norse god Gaut or Geat. His son Hulmul was probably the same person as Humli, the ancestor of the Danes in Norse tradition. In a vairant version, Hervarar saga ok Heiðreks (13th century) says, "Of old, they say, Humli over Huns did rule, Gizur the Gauts, the Goths Angantyr, Valdar the Danes, the Romans Kjar, Alrek the Valiant the English people."

    The genealogy seems to be artificial. Athalaric (?-534), king of the Ostrogoths in Jordanes time, is presented as the 17th Amal king of the Goths since Gapt, just as there had been 17 Roman kings between Aeneas and Romulus. Thus, the Amal dynasty presented itself as a second gens Iulia, ruling both Romans and Goths. In fact, the Amal dynasty is documented no earlier than Theodoric's father or grandfather, an ally of Attila the Hun. The Goths themselves are documented no earlier than 291.

       Gapt
       Hulmul
       Augis
       Amal (from whom the name of the Amali comes)
       Hisarnis
       Ostrogotha
       Hunuil
       Athal
           Achiulf
           Oduulf
       Achiulf
           Ansila
           Ediulf
           Vultuulf
           Hermanaric
       Vultuulf
       Valaravans
       Vinitharius
       Vandalarius
           Thiudimer
           Valamir
           Vidimer
       Thiudimer
       Theodoric the Great (454-526), King of the Ostrogoths

    Key figures and gateway ancestors
    Aeneas

    Gens Iulia, the family to which Julius Caesar belonged, claimed descent from the Roman goddess Venus (Greek: Aphrodite) through Aeneas, her son by her lover Anchises, who was a Trojan prince.

    The legend that Aeneas escaped the Fall of Troy (about 1200 BCE) and journeyed to Italy goes back to at least the 5th century BCE. By 400 BCE, Aeneas was being venerated in Italy as the god Iuppiter Indiges, the tribal ancestor of Latins and Etruscans.

    In some Roman traditions, Iulus, the semi-divine ancestor of gens Iulia, was identical with Aeneas’ son Ascanius (Vergil). In other traditions, Iulus was the son of Aeneas by his Trojan wife, Creusa, while Ascanius was the son of Aeneas' Latin wife Lavinia, daughter of Latinus (Livy). And, in still another tradition, Iulus was son of Ascanius, and disputed the throne with Silvius after Ascanius' death (Dionysius of Halicarnasus).

    When medieval monks were inventing new genealogies Aeneas was a popular figure. In the Norse saga, the Deluding of Gylfe, he is called Anea. Medieval Welsh genealogies called him Annyn Tro. In one Welsh source he is called a son of Brydain (eponymous of Britain) and a grandson of Aedd Mawr (Edward the Great) who lived about 1300 BCE. These chronologies are too confused to be credible.
    Anna, kinswoman of the Virgin Mary

    The early Welsh royal families claimed to be relatives of the family of Jesus.

    According to Harleian MS. 3958, Beli Mawr was husband to Anna (who may be a confabulation of Dôn), a "near kinswoman [consobrina] of the Virgin Mary." A medieval tradition identifies her as a sister (or daughter) of Joseph of Arimathea, but the tradition is not old enough to be authentic. There is no reason to think she was an historical figure.

    Dôn seems to have been a Christianized version of the Celtic goddess Anû, the mother goddess of the Celts. In Gaul she was called Belisama. In Ireland she was Danu, the matriarch of the Túatha Dé Danann, who took their name from her. The Mabinogion, a collection of Welsh legends, calls her Dôn, sister of Mâth mab Mathonwy, King of Gwynedd.

    "Chronologically speaking, if Anna married a Briton after her father arrived in this country, then we must assume that she was nearer to Jesus' age than her cousin, Mary (ie. born c. 0). Beli is recorded in the Mabinogion and Welsh Genealogies as having been the father of Caswallon (or Cassivellaunus), the leader of the Celtic tribes who repelled Cæsar's invasions of 55 & 54 bc. He could, therefore, not possibly have married Anna of Arimathea. Moreover, the local ruler whom Joseph received his land gift from, is said to have been Arfyrag (or Arviragus), Beli & Anna's supposed great great grandson." (David Nash Ford, "St. Joseph of Arimathea: Ancestor of Kings?" in Early British Kingdoms (visited Nov. 21, 2011).
    King Arthur

    If King Arthur was a real person, as many scholars believe, then he was a war leader in 6th century Britain. Some part of his life might have been authentically recorded by English monks such as Gildas (c500-570), Bede (672/3-736), Nennius (9th century), and Geoffrey of Monmouth (c1100-c1155). However, these accounts are confused and contradictory. Arthur might have been related in some way to the Roman aristocrat Ambrosius Aurelianus, although the relationship is first recorded by Geoffrey of Monmouth, who was writing 600 years later.

    There is no doubt about Ambrosius’ existence. He was mentioned in a near contemporary document by the monk Gildas, who says he won an important battle against the invading Anglo-Saxons. Some scholars believe it is possible to sketch a brief genealogy for Ambrosius, perhaps from the Roman usurper Constantine III or from a distant cousin of the Emperor Theodosius I (or both).

    In modern times there has been an explosion of genealogies drawn from Grail romances that turn fictional characters from the 11th and 12th centuries into historical people. The seminal works for these genealogies are Holy Blood, Holy Gail, by Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh, and Henry Lincoln (1982) and Bloodline of the Holy Grail, by Laurence Gardner (1996). They are best characterized as “alternative history”.
    Beli Mawr

    The early Welsh royal families claimed to be descended from Beli Mawr.

    Beli Mawr was in fact a Welsh version the Celtic sun god. Among the Brythonic Celts he was Belenus (the Shining One), a fertility god who looked after sheep and cattle. In Ireland, he was Bilé, the god of death. His festival was Beltaine (Fire of Bel), held May 1st. On that day, purifying fires were lit.

    According to the Mabinogion his name was Beli son of Mynogan. Wikipedia says, "However, it should be noted that in medieval Welsh tradition, Beli Mawr is often given the patronymic fab Manogan / Mynogan ("son of Manogan"). This appears to derive from a textual garbling of the name of a real historical figure, Adminius, son of Cunobelinus; after being transmitted through the Roman authors Suetonius and Orosius, this name became Bellinus filius Minocanni in the medieval Latin text from Wales, Historia Brittonum. Thus, although Beli became a separate personage in medieval pseudohistory from Cunobelinus (Welsh Cynfelyn, Shakespeare's Cymbeline), he was generally presented as a king reigning in the period immediately before the Roman invasion; his "son" Caswallawn is the historical Cassivellaunus."

    According to Geoffrey of Monmouth, his name was Heli, he succeeded his father Digueillus, and he reigned 40 years.

    The Mabinogion names his three sons as Lludd, Casswallawn and Nynnyaw, or four sons Lludd, Casswallawn, Llevelys and Eveyd. According to Geoffrey of Monmouth, he had three sons, Lud, Cassivelaunus and Nennius.
    Brân the Blessed

    The early Welsh royal families claimed to be descended from Brân the Blessed and his father Llŷr Llediath.

    Brân was legendary king of the Silures, probably originating as a Christianized form of the Celtic god Brân. He is one of the principal characters of the 1st Branch of the Mabinogion, which begins "Bran the Blessed (Bendigeidfran), the son of Llyr and Penarddun, daughter of Beli son of Mynogan, was ruler of Britain. Bran was the brother of Manawyddan and Branwen (Bronwen), and the half-brother of Nissyen and Evnissyen." He is said to have been succeeded by his uncle Caswallawn.

    In Christian legend Brân is said to have been baptized in Rome in 36 CE. "Bran was said to have been taken as a captive to Rome where he joined the household of St. Paul. Returning to Britain, with SS. Aristobulus and Joseph of Arimathea some years later, he became among the first to introduce Christianity to the Island, hence his epithet of "the Blessed". This whole story is a late 17th century fabrication based on misinformation." (David Nash Ford, "Bran Fendigaid alias Bendigeitvran: Celtic God of Regeneration" in Early British Kingdoms(http://www.earlybritishkingdoms.com/bios/bran.html, visited Nov. 21, 2011)

    The story of Brân's conversion to Christianity is probably a confusion with the historical Cunobelin (Arfyrag's father) who was thought to have been taken captive to Rome where he became converted to Christianity. (David Nash Ford, "St. Joseph of Arimathea: Ancestor of Kings?" in Early British Kingdoms (http://www.earlybritishkingdoms.com/articles/josanc.html, visited Nov. 21, 2011). Brân and Cunobelin both had sons named Caradoc, and the different Caradocs became confused. There is, no doubt an added confusion of Caradocs here, as far too few generations are given.

    In Arthurian romance Brân became Bron(s), the Fisher King. He is said to have married Enygeus, a sister of Joseph of Arimathea and of Anna the Prophetess (perhaps the same person as Anna, the near kinswoman of the Virgin Mary. She had 12 sons, including Alain de Borron. This story mangles the earlier version, in which Brân was a grandson of Anna, the sister (or daughter) of Joseph of Arimathea.

    In the Arthurian romance 'Bonedd yr Arwyr, Brân is made both a paternal and maternal ancestor of King Arthur.
    Brutus

    The early Welsh kings claimed descent from Brutus, the legendary 1st King of Britain, which is said to have been named for him.

    Welsh genealogists called him Brwt. He is said to have founded Troia Nova ("New Troy"), which became corrupted to Trinovantum, and now is London. He is not mentioned in any classical source and is not considered to be historical.

    Brutus was first mentioned in the 9th century, by Nennius, who says he was a son of Hiscion, grandson of Alanus (Mannus), and a descendant of Noah. One variant makes him a grandson or great grandson of the Trojan hero Aeneas, great grandson of the legendary Roman king Numa Pompilius, and traces his genealogy to Japheth, son of Noah. Another variant makes him the son of Silvius and grandson of Ascanius, the father of Aeneas, and traces his genealogy to Ham, son of Noah. [Historia Brittonum.]

    Geoffrey of Monmouth says Brutus was son of Silvius and grandson of Ascanius. He was exiled from Italy. He went to Greece, and liberated the Trojans enslaved there. Then, he crossed to the island of Albion, which he re-named for himself, and became the first king. After his death, each of his sons received one-third of Britain, Locrinus (England), Albanactus (Scotland) and Kamber (Wales).

    Many scholars believe the Hiscion son of Alanus named by Nennius as Brutus' father was identical to the Istro son of Mannus, who appears in Germanic tradition as the eponymous ancestor of the Istvaeones, one of the three divisions of Germanic proto-tribes.
    Charlemagne

    Millions of people in the world today are descendants of the Frankish emperor Charlemagne, and they can prove it. Charlemagne’s family were upstarts, however. There are no proven links between Charlemagne and his predecessors in the Merovingian dynasty. In fact, Charlemagne has only 10 proven ancestors. Using Ahnentafel numbering, his ancestry looks like this:

       Charlemagne
       Pepin the Short, father
       Bertrade of Laon, mother
       Charles Martel, father’s father
       Rotrude, father’s mother
       Caribert of Laon, mother’s father
       ---
       Pepin of Herstal, father’s father’s father
       Alpaida, father’s father’s mother
       ---
       ---
       ---
       Bertrada of Prüm, mother’s father’s mother
       ---
       ---
       Ansegisel, father’s father’s father’s father
       Begga, father’s father’s father’s mother

    In Charlemagne’s time, genealogists working under the patronage of the royal family claimed that Charlemagne had several connections to the Merovingian dynasty. These claims enhanced the royal family’s prestige and made it look like Charlemagne’s family had a genuine claim to the throne. Modern scholars doubt these connections. Even though the evidence is reasonably contemporary, the political motivations make it suspect.

    Some modern scholars, working with original documents, believe they have found evidence to show that Charlemagne’s ancestry can be traced, probably, to an old Roman senatorial family. The reconstruction is plausible, because the Franks who Charlemagne ruled had conquered the old Roman province of Gaul in 486, and the Franks are known to have intermarried with the surviving Gallo-Roman aristocracy.

       Flavius Afranius Syagrius, of Lyons; a Gallo-Roman senator
       (Syagria), his unknown daughter; married Ferreolus
       Tonantius Ferreolus, a Gallo-Roman senator; married Papianilla, clarissima femina, a relative of the Papianilla who was a daughter of the emperor Avitus, and who married Sidonius Apollinaris
       Tonantius Ferreolus, a Gallo-Roman senator; married Industria
       Ferreolus, a Gallo-Roman senator; married Dode, abbess of St.-Pierre de Rheims
       Ansbert, a senator; married Bilichilde
       Arnoald, Bishop of Metz
       Dode, probably his daughter; married St. Arnulf, Bishop of Metz
       Ansegisel, probably their son; married St. Begga; daughter of Pepin I, Mayor of the Palace of Austrasia
       Pepin of Herstal, Mayor of the Palace of Austrasia; married Alpais / Alpaida
       Charles Martel, Mayor of the Palace of Austrasia; married Rotrude
       Pepin the Short, Mayor of the Palace of Austrasia; married Bertrada of Laon
       Charlemagne

    (Based on the work of David H. Kelley and Christian Settipani. See, for example, Don Stone, soc.genealogy.medieval, March 11, 1998)

    Using this reconstruction as a starting point, many other scholars have attempted to extend Charlemagne’s ancestry further, with varying degrees of success.
    Charles Constantine

    Charles Constantine (c903-c962), comte de Vienne and de Bellay, was a son of Louis III the Blind (c883-928), Holy Roman Emperor. His mother was either the Burgundian princess Adelais or the Byzantine princess Anna Myakes.

    The debate over Charles Constantine’s ancestry is very heated. Anna Myakes was a daughter of the Byzantine emperor Leo VI. There were negotiations to betroth her to Louis III but it isn't clear whether the marriage ever took place. If the marriage did take place, and if Charles Constantine was a son of that marriage, his ancestry would include Byzantine emperors Leo VI and Leo's father, either Basil I or Michael III.

    A key part of the debate is whether Charles really had the nickname Constantine. The name was uncommon in the west, so it supports the theory, accepted by Septimani, that his mother was the Byzantine princess Anna. However, the name might refer only to his imperial ancestry. Flodoard (894-966) called him Charles Constantine, but the evidence that he used the name in his lifetime is too weak to be reliable. A diploma of his father and his own charters call him only Charles.
    Érimón mac Míl Espáine

    According to ancient Irish sources Érimón mac Míl Espáine brought his people, the Milesians, to Ireland about 500 BCE, and conquered it from an older race, the Tuatha Dé Danann. (See the Lebor Gabála Érenn, and others.) The story might (very arguably) have some foundation, but cannot be proven or disproven. (See above, under Ireland)
    Francus

    French monks claimed that a Trojan prince, Francus, was the eponymous ancestor of the Frankish kings. Francus is first mentioned in Nennius' Historia Brittonum (8th century) as the son of Hiscion, and eponymous ancestor of the Franks. His Trojan ancestry came later.

    In the Renaissance, Francus was generally considered to be another name for the Trojan hero Astyanax (son of Hector), who was saved from the destruction of Troy.

    Jean Lemaire de Belges's Illustrations de Gaule et Singularités de Troie (1510–12) has Astyanax survive the fall of Troy and arrive in Western Europe. He changes his name to Francus and becomes king of Celtic Gaul (while, at the same time, Bavo, cousin of Priam, comes to the city of Trier) and founds the dynasty leading to Pepin and Charlemagne.[9] He is said to have founded and named the city of Paris in honor of his uncle Paris.

    Gilles Corrozet's La Fleur des antiquitez... de Paris (1532) describes the French king Francis I as the 64th descendant of Hector of Troy.

    In Pierre de Ronsard's epic poem La Franciade (1572), the god Jupiter saves Astyanax (renamed Francus). The young hero arrives in Crete and falls in love with the princess Hyanthe with whom he is destined to found the royal dynasty of France.

    (Source: Wikipedia, Francus)
    Genuissa, wife of Arvirargus

    Venissa (Genissa, Genvissa, Genuissa) is a fictional person who serves to link the Welsh kings to ancient Rome.

    According to Geoffrey of Monmouth's 12th century Historia Regum Britanniae, she was a daughter of the Roman Emperor Claudius, whom he gave in marriage to the British king Arvirargus once he had submitted to Rome.

    According to Geoffrey's account she was very beautiful, and so enchanted Arvirargus that he preferred her company to anyone else's. He founded Gloucester, supposedly named after Claudius, in her honour. When Arvirargus fell out with Rome and Vespasian was sent to enforce a reconciliation, Venissa acted as mediator between them.

    Venissa cannot be considered historical. She is not mentioned in authentic Roman history; her supposed husband Arvirargus is known only from a cryptic reference in Satire IV, a 2nd century satirical poem by Juvenal; and it is in any case inconceivable that a daughter, even an illegitimate daughter, of a Roman emperor could be given in marriage to a barbarian without attracting comment. Nonetheless, she and her husband, identified with the historical Caratacus, appear in many uncritical genealogies originating in the Tudor period.

    (Source: Wikipedia, Venissa)
    Joseph of Arimathea

    The Christian scriptures say that Joseph of Arimathea was an influential member of the Sanhedrin who petitioned Pontius Pilate for Jesus’ body, but give no details about his life or family. According to the Talmud, he was the younger brother of the father of the Virgin Mary. That is, he was Mary's uncle and Jesus' great-uncle.

    Some modern writers venture that he might be identified with Josephus (Jewish: Yosef ben Matityahu, Roman: Titus Flavius Josephus), a Jewish historian and an apologist for the Roman empire. However, scholars dismiss the idea. Josephus was born in 37 CE, making him a generation younger than Jesus, so it would not be possible he was Jesus' great uncle.

    The first mention of Joseph of Arimathea in connection with Britain is the Life of Mary Magdalene by Rabanus Maurus (766-856), Archbishop of Mainz. Jseoph first appears as the legendary Keeper of the Holy Grail in Robert de Boron's Joseph d'Arimathie (early 13th century), which says he settled in Britain after the Crucifixion of Jesus, bringing the Holy Grail with him. The story spawned a rich literature on the same theme. Later tradition says he was a wealthy merchant who owned tin mines in Cornwall. Some popular fiction has him bringing Jesus with him to Britain to be trained by Druids there.
    Lleuver Mawr

    (to be added)
    Llyr Lediaith

    The early Welsh royal families claimed to be descended from Llŷr Llediath.and his son Brân the Blessed.

    The story is not reliable. Llyr was a Celtic sea god, cognate of the Irish god Lir, but perhaps also a historical King of the Silures. As an historical figure, he is said to have been educated in Rome by Augustus Caesar. His home was at Dunraven castle, situated on a hill called Twyn Rhyvan (the Hill of Rome) in Glamorgan.

    He was used by Shakespeare as a prototype for King Lear.
    Makhir of Narbonne

    Makhir of Narbonne (8th century) was the leader of the Jewish community of Narbonne, and the ancestor of an important family there. Prof. Arthur Zuckerman suggested that he was the same person as Natronai ben Habibi, an exilarch who was deposed and exiled from Baghdad (A Jewish Princedom in Feudal France, 1972). He also suggested that Makhir was the same person as Maghario, Count of Narbonne.

    Zuckerman went further. In the poem Willehalm by Wolfram von Eschenbach (c1170-c1220), the hero Guillem de Gellone is the son of Aymeri de Narbonne by his wife Alda / Aldana, daughter of Charles Martel. Guillem de Gellone's real-life counterpart was Guillaume I, comte de Toulouse, son of Theodoric, a count in Septimania. Zuckerman suggested that the poem changed the names, but memorialized actual relationships. So, Guillaume's father Theodoric must have been the same person as Aymeri. Then, Zuckerman identified Theodoric / Aymeri with Makhi / Natronai / Maghario.

    Scholars have dismissed Zuckerman's methodology as flawed. Nevertheless, Guillaume de Toulouse might have been Jewish. He led the Frankish forces when they captured Barcelona in 801. The campaign was memorialized in a poem In honorem Hludovici imperatoris ("In honour of Emperor Louis") (826), by Ermoldus Nigellus. The poem uses Jewish dating and portrays Guillaume de Toulouse as an observant Jew.
    Muhammad

    Modern genealogists have attempted to find a line of descent from the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) through the rulers of Muslim Spain.

    There is a possible line, through Zaida, the wife or concubine of Alfonso VI of Castile, but it is disputed.

    The first problem with the line is that it comes through Ayesha, the wife of Yazîd I, the 2nd Umayyad Caliph (680-683). The Caliph’s descendants claimed that Ayesha was a daughter of Mohammad, a link that would substantially enhance their legitimacy. However, Muslim scholars say she was Muhammad's step-daughter, not his daughter. The title Sharif is accorded only to descendants of Muhammad’s daughter Fatima.

    The second problem is that it is not entirely clear that Zaïda was really descended from Ayesha. Zaïda was a daughter-in-law (and probably also niece) of al-Mutamid, ruler of the taifa of Seville. He was a descendant of Ayesha, and if she was his niece, she shared that descent. Zaïda’s first husband was (her cousin?) Fath al-Ma'mum, the ruler of Córdoba and son of the Emir of Seville. He was killed in 1091 while trying to escape a seige of Córdoba. Zaïda made her way as a refugee to the court of Alfonso VI. He was already mature (age 51), married to a queen who was ill, and was lacking a male heir. Zaïda became his concubine, converted to Christianity, and took the Christian name Isabel. She bore Alfonso his only surviving son Sancho. It is not clear whether Alfonso subsequently married her. Her tombstone, erected long after her death, says, "Aqui descansa la reina Isabel, mujer del rey Alfonso, hija de Aben-Abeth, rey de Sevilla; que antes se llamaba Zayda," which translates as "here lies Queen Elizabeth, wife of King Alfonso, daughter of Aben-abeth, king of Seville; previously called Zaïda."

    The third problem is that there are no known descents from Zaïda. Her only proven son Sancho died in childhood. It’s possible, however, that Zaïda might have been the same person as Alfonso’s wife Elisabeth. Elisabeth had two daughters who became the ancestors of many European royal families. Elisabeth’s burial plaque, erected long after her death, says she was a daughter of Louis [VI], but that would be chronologically impossible. She might have been a sister of Louis VI, or the plaque might be an attempt to disguise her non-Christian identity.
    Pagano Ebriaci

    Pagano Ebriaci (?-c1091), of Pisa, ancestor of the Christian Ebriaci family, might have been a convert from Judaism, a son of Joseph of Fustat. The relationship is conjectural, and seems to have originated in the suggestion that the surname Ebriaci means "the Hebrew". Another theory is that the name Ebriaci might derive from a Latin word meaning drunk.

    If Pagano Ebriaci was a son of Joseph of Fustat, then he was a grandson of Hezekiah IV, 38th Exilarch and a descendant of King David.

    Pagano Ebriaci was an ancestor of Edmund FitzAlan, 9th Earl of Arundel, through Manfredo III, marchese di Saluzzo.
    Scota

    She is a legendary figure from whom the Scots took their name. She is said to have been the daughter of an unnamed Eyptian pharaoh. The context of her story shows that the Irish thought of her as a daughter of the pharaoh of the Exodus and a contemporary of Moses.

    There are two different versions of her place in the genealogy. She was the wife either of Gaodhal Glas or of his descendant Míl Espáine.

    An 11th century rescenison of the Historia Brittonum menions Scota. She also appears in the Book of Leinster, a 12th century redaction of the Lebor Gabála Érenn, where she married Geytholos (Gaodhal Glas). The earliest Scottish sources claim Geytholos was "a certain king of the countries of Greece, Neolus, or Heolaus, by name", while the Leinster redaction of the Lebor Gabála Érenn calls him a Scythian.

    In variant manuscripts of the Lebor Gabála Érenn, Scota's husband was Míl Espáine.

    Faced with the discrepancy, modern genealogists have created two Scotas.

    There are many guesses about her father, Scota the wife of Gaodhal Glas being (perhaps) daughter of Pharaoh Cingeris, and Scota the wife of Míl Espáine being (perhaps) daughter of Pharaoh Nactabaeus. Both pharaohs are named only in medieval Irish sources, not in Egyptian sources.

    Some genealogists make one or both women the daughter of whichever pharaoh they believe was the pharaoh of the Exodus.
    Tamar Tephi

    Tamar Tephi and Teia Tephei are said to have been daughters of Zedekiah, King of Judah, but they are fictitious. Their descents from the kings of Judah is a 19th century fraud, from a misreading of old Irish sources.

    According to the colorful story, Tamar Tephi and her sister Teia avoided the fate of their brothers, who were killed by the King of Babylon at Riblah. The prophet Jeremiah spirited them off to Ireland via Egypt and Spain, along with the Stone of the Covenant, which became known as Lia Fail (Stone of Destiny). (We are left wondering why Jeremiah was not equally helpful to the rest of the royal family.)

    (Source: Wikipedia, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_legendary_kings_of_Britain#Tea_Tephi, List of legendary kings of Britain])
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    The Relic Crown of St. Louis

    - This crown is of ancient medieval origin and is said to contain a piece of the true cross of Christ,

    imbuing it with reliquary status. Called the Crown of St. Louis, it’s made of gold and silver and set with precious stones


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    Ancient Egypt and The Alternative Story of Mankind's Origins


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOL0RnxpPlQ

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    Geb & Nut Parents of ISIS & Seth

    Geb

    Geb is your 110th great grandfather
    Nut is your 110th great grandmother

    Susan Lynne Schwenger
    You
    Lynda Mae Handy - Schwenger
    your mother
    JAMES "Jim" EDWARD HANDY JR.
    her father
    JAMES HANDY
    his father
    Marian Ruthven - Handy
    his mother
    Alexander Ruthven
    her father
    Robert Ruthven
    his father
    John Ruthven
    his father
    John Ruthven
    his father
    John Ruthven
    his father
    George Ruthven
    his father
    William Alexander Ruthven
    his father
    William Ruthven
    his father
    Sir William Ruthven
    his father
    Janet Ruthven (Halyburton), 6th Lady Dirletoun
    his mother
    Patrick Halyburton, 5th/6th Lord Dirletoun
    her father
    George Halyburton, 3rd/4th Lord Dirletoun
    his father
    Sir John Halyburton
    his father
    Marjorie Stewart Haliburton, Countess of Atholl
    his mother
    Archibald Douglas "The Grim", 3rd Earl of Douglas
    her father
    Sir James Douglas of Lothian
    his father
    Sir William "le Hardi" Douglas, 5th Lord of Douglas
    his father
    Martha of Carrick
    his mother
    Donnchadh I mac Gilbert, 1st Earl of Carrick
    her father
    Gilbert mac Fergus, Lord of Galloway
    his father
    Elizabeth Fitzhenry
    his mother
    Henry I Beauclerc, King of England
    her father
    Matilda of Flanders, Queen Consort of England
    his mother
    Adèle de France
    her mother
    Robert II le Pieux, roi des Francs
    her father
    Hugues Capet, roi des Francs
    his father
    Hugues "the Great", duke of the Franks
    his father
    Robert I, King of France
    his father
    Adelaide de Tours
    his mother
    Hugues II the Timid, count of Tours
    her father
    Count Haicho
    his father
    Berswinde d'Austrasie
    his mother
    Emnechilde of the Burgundians
    her mother
    Bodilon de Trèves
    her father
    Warnacher I, Mayor of the Palace of Burgundy
    his father
    Ansbertus / Ausbert de Moselle
    his father
    Duke Ferreolus de Rodez
    his father
    Tonantius Ferreolus, III
    his father
    Papianilla Avita
    his mother
    Son of Adelphius or Hermogenianus de Limoges
    her father
    [Adelphius or Hermogenianus]
    his father
    Anicia Faltonia Proba
    his mother
    Turrania Anicia Juliana
    her mother
    Anicius Auchenius Bassus
    her father
    Amnius Manius Caesonius Nichomachus Anicius Paulinus
    his father
    Amnius Anicius Julianus
    his father
    Sextus Anicius Faustus Paulinianus
    his father
    Asinia Juliana Nicomacha
    his mother
    Gaius Asinius Nicomachus Julianus
    her father
    Gaius Asinius Quadratus Protimus
    his father
    Julia Quadratilla
    his mother
    Aulus Julius
    her father
    Julia Quadratilla Bassa
    his mother
    Julia Iotapa
    her mother
    Alexander, King of Cilicia
    her father
    Tigranes VI, King of Armenia
    his father
    Alexander II of Judaea
    his father
    Glaphyra of Cappadocia
    his mother
    Archelaus, King of Cappadocia
    her father
    Berenice IV Ptolemy, Princess of Egypt
    his mother
    Ptolemy XII (d. 51 BC)
    her father
    Ptolemy IX Soter II (d. c. 81 BC)
    his father
    Ptolemy VIII Euergetes II Tryphon (d. 116 BC)
    his father
    Ptolemy V Epiphanes Eucharistos (d. 180 BC)
    his father
    Ptolemy IV Philopator
    his father
    Ptolemy III Eurgetes Tryphon
    his father
    Ptolemy II Philadelphus (d. 246 BC)
    his father
    Ptolemy I Soter, Satrap and Pharaoh of Egypt (d. 282 BC)
    his father
    Arisonoe the Argead
    his father
    Meleager of Macedonia
    his father
    Bocrus of Macedonia
    his father
    King Amyntas I of Macedonia
    his father
    King Alketas of Macedonia
    his father
    King Aeropos of Macedonia
    his father
    King Philippos I of Macedonia
    his father
    King Argaios of Macedonia
    his father
    King Perdikkas of Macedonia
    his father
    King Tirimmos of Macedonia
    his father
    King Koinos of Macedonia
    his father
    King Karanos of Macedonia
    his father
    Aristomidas
    his father
    Acous
    his father
    Thestrus
    his father
    Maron
    his father
    Ceisus
    his father
    Temenus
    his father
    Aristomakhos
    his father
    Cleodemus
    his father
    Hyllus
    his father
    Heracles (Hercules) of Argos, King of Tiryns (1286-1226 BC)
    his father
    Princess Alcmene (Alkmênê: “Might of the Moon”) of Mycenea
    his mother
    King Elektryon of Mycenea
    her father
    Perseus of Mycenea
    his father
    Princess Danaë of Argos
    his mother
    Acrisius, King of Argos
    her father
    Abas, King of Argos
    his father
    Prince Lynceus of Aigyptos
    his father
    King Aegyptus / Αἴγυπτος
    his father
    King Hotepsekhemwi (Boethos \ Belus) of Egypt
    his father
    Semiramis (Sarpanitu) .
    his mother
    Aha (Menes) Pharaoh of Egypt, Pharoah of Egypt
    her father
    Narmer, Pharaoh of Egypt
    his father
    Serket (Scorpion) Pharaoh of Egypt
    his father
    Ka Faraón de Egipto
    his father
    Iry-Hor Faraón de Egipto
    his father
    Horus Dios del Cielo, el Sol y la Guerra
    his father
    Isis Reina de los Dioses
    his mother
    Geb & Nut
    her father & her mother

    http://www.geni.com/people/Geb/6000000006277494433


    Geb is your 110th great grandfather & Nut is your 110th great grandmother

    Geb



    Birth:

    estimated before 3205BCE



    Immediate Family:


    Husband of Nut
    Father of Isis Reina de los Dioses and Seth



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