Solar Flares

lawlessline wrote:Floyd,

Do your research properly Floyd listen to every side rather than the first handful you get. The dimensional aspect of the system is far greater than what you may think. But I know you are further down the line than that???



t

mudra wrote:I think science focussing on the study of matter alone can only give birth to limited answers.
A holistic approach including all components of life Spiritual, Mental and Material is lacking nowadays.
A clear realization of how these relate to one another would I believe end all controversial debates.

Floyd wrote:


Solar flares are not going to be the cause of any ending of human civilisation. The possibility of that lies much closer to home. Despite fear mongering distractions.

Floyd wrote:

You assume too much Tom. Earthquakes and geology in general is a subject I have been interested in since I was the youngest member of the Liverpool Geological Society back in the 80's but I didnt feel it was necessary to tell you that until that comment above. Even got in the local paper but no photo left lol. Went on to study something completely different but always held my interest. So to glibly suggest I have been listening to the first handful of scientists I get to is both wrong and irrelevant old boy. I have indeed listened to every side, done my research properly but im not sure you have?

Floyd wrote:

Furthermore I dont need to scientists to tell me anything as you suggest there, even though you and others continually quote their work as you frantically google for articles relating solar storms as a causal influence to earthquakes and tsunamis etc but I do value their opinion. The piece you have linked to above like others have done, is an abstract it is not even the full report and I have seen that before.

Floyd wrote:

The abstract itself is not evidence of anything. It even says so. It says the word 'may' twice. Have you read the full study? It also says "On the other hand no clear evidence could be established that higher importance flares precede high magnitude earthquakes"

Floyd wrote:

Again what it does not say, in the abstract and presumably therefore the full study, is that solar flares are causal of tsunamis, earthquakes, volcanoes and geological events that end civilisations. It says it may have some effect. That may be the case or it may not. If I but my big toe in a pool of water it gets wet but it doesn't mean I drown. These reports are not saying saying solar flares cause tsunamis and earthquakes.

Floyd wrote:
As the man said below. Even if solar storms were never to happen again, earthquakes, tsunamis and volcanoes would continue to occur without them because they are essentially interior driven events.

Floyd wrote:

Thus we need not worry about solar flares apart from admire their immense beauty.

Floyd wrote:

Solar flares and magnetic storms belong to a set of phenomena known collectively as "space weather". Technological systems and the activities of modern civilization can be affected by changing space-weather conditions. However, it has never been demonstrated that there is a causal relationship between space weather and earthquakes. Indeed, over the course of the Sun's 11-year variable cycle, the occurrence of flares and magnetic storms waxes and wanes, but earthquakes occur without any such 11-year variability. Since earthquakes are driven by processes in the Earth's interior, they would occur even if solar flares and magnetic storms were to somehow cease occurring.
http://millbrae.patch.com/articles/are-you-ready-for-a-big-earthquake

Eartheart wrote: so the notions of flares make EQ's is mechanic BS. (Bravo Floyd)...
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Floyd wrote:
I don't view this debate as being controversial and the facts as we can know them to date are clear. There are things we should be worrying about and things we should not be worrying about as there is no need. We should, IMHO be focusing our energies elsewhere rather than worrying about something that's never going to happen.

lawlessline wrote:

That is far too simplistic Floyd, you have a greater intelligence to understand that Earth quakes and volcanoes are not just tied to solar spots but the planet rings like a bell so you should be looking at the spikes to get a small view of how this planet works. Once you start adding in like human activities on land sea and air then we could connect the dots. It would be like saying that there is no connections between drinking and driving that account for all the mortality rates on this planet.

Not like you to be that simplistic.


t

Floyd wrote:Phew! for a minute there Tom I thought you were going to post a link to an abstract from a study that admits its has inconclusive evidence as to whether are not solar flares cause earthquakes in the vane hope it would provide absolute proof.

Tom you assumed that I only consulted a handful of scientists when I have been into the subject for years. Even before the mists of avalon. Plain and simple.

This is what you said "Do your research properly Floyd listen to every side rather than the first handful you get"

I have to say your research has been pretty shoddy Tom and you have shown nothing convincing. You could give Patrick Geryl a ring lol and ask him for some evidence. I have listened to every side which is why I am where I am now. One must always look at both sides of an argument to see which one does not stand up.

But you were so very wrong about assuming what you did. But lets move on.

I understand plenty space weather effects earth in various ways thanks very much.

You have provided nothing to show that that solar flares are the cause of earthquakes apart from some conjectural stuff that may or may not have some effect. The odd abstract and quote. Even the scientists behind these studies will not fully admit that solar flares are the determining causal factor in an earthquakes or a volcano. Some influence on some quakes perhaps but one swallow does not a summer make.

Earthquakes and volcanoes happen all the time. More often than not without solar flares being around because they are internally driven. What does that tell you?

It means that your theory that solar flares are the cause of earthquakes is severely dubious.. Maybe the ones that do happen at the same time show minimal effects but that does not mean they flares are the causal factor. How can it be when quakes happen without flares etc/

Im not deciding anything for anyone. Just my own POV.

Im not worried Tom- just showing how easy it is to debunk bullshit pseudo scientists like Geryl who makes money from talking absolute bollocks.

lawlessline wrote:
The world is round but sure aint smooth.


t

mudra wrote:

Floyd wrote:
I don't view this debate as being controversial and the facts as we can know them to date are clear. There are things we should be worrying about and things we should not be worrying about as there is no need. We should, IMHO be focusing our energies elsewhere rather than worrying about something that's never going to happen.

Floyd I was'nt thinking of the controversy of the debate going on this thread but rather about what's taking place in the realm of Science itself where people come up with models that aren't unified. So long as they will study matter alone without seeing the relation between the realm of Spirit and the manifested world something will always be badly missing I believe.
But that really is the subject of another topic of it's own.

I have absolutely no idea wether solar flares would be able to cause mass extinction on Earth.
That's not what I heard about anyways where I cared to pay close attention.
I am taking notice that alarming scenarios are predicted here and there but I don't align the course of my life around them.

Regarding forecasted cataclysmic events of any sort I would'nt go into a panic mode myself anyways as this is part of speculation.
I have undergone enough cataclysmic episodes in my life to have come to realize that what goes away brings always something new and worry and fear are of no use unless you overcome them completely.

I tend to agree with you about the fact that a common endeavour starting with each one individually in healing Earth from the burdens we have inflicted on her by working along with her rather than against , is part of our humane responsabilities if we want to make sure to create a future that is harmonious for all.
What else is there to do but to give our very best to what we have as it is today.

Love from me
mudra

Floyd wrote:Tom

You seem to be answering recently with some strange emotionally based stuff that deals with attempts to understand and judge my nature that is irrelevant to the topic at hand. You are way off the mark but thats ok I wont hold it against you.

Firstly lets deal with the minor peripheral stuff. The brook thing was a playful jibe after her recent comment about the mists on the Thuban chat she made a few weeks ago as to being so glad she left the mists and is were she was now. I interpreted this as she will be back any minute lol due to the non traffic at her new forum and the controversy surrounding it. . and lo and behold! In saying that this place is hardly busy either. Of course she would come back and why not. She likes it here really. But if you would rather talk about that and emotional stuff in lieu of the evidence that you dont have thats fine lol.


Im not looking for a scrap. Im looking for answers as to why people would say there is a link between solar flares and earthquakes and tsunamis and not be able to provide conclusive evidence to back up their claims apart from links to a few abstracts which I have already seen a while back. Have you noticed the dates on some of them? . When a scientist says the evidence is not there to support this claim they are not saying it to piss people off lol. They are just doing their job and more often than not they are good at it. Dont you see Tom. The claim cannot be substantiated.

The main reason for starting this thread was to demonstrate that the information being used by fear mongers like Patrick Geryl and Masters is built on foundations of sand. Then, you and others entered my thread postings links to abstracts and so on claiming (yourselves) that there was a link between the two when there is no conclusive proof there is, so therefore what you are saying cannot be substantiated. I noticed someone dropped in the word heliocentric and you mentioned climate change so perhaps that was the road you were walking towards. Perhaps the slender and tenuous hypotheses linking space weather to terrestrial geological activity would help you to base theories supporting these views? Alas there is none.

You also mentioned somewhere irrelevant stuff about scientists having egos etc. I just don't think that's relevant and possibly, incorrect. Have you met them all personally Tom? You should know better than that mate to judge and make assumptions. In my view they are doing a great service and I have no reason to assume they are egotistical. That's just a non argument pure and simple.

There is a dangerous undercurrent (in my view) in conspiracy circles to shun traditional science and accept only fringe science which is based on flimsy ground that some times has an agenda.
This leads to a kind of anti science paranoia which is why pseudo science thrives in alternative circles and the people that peddle it and the publishing houses that sell it start rubbing their hands when they get dollar signs in their eyes as the gullible thousands line up to purchase it whilst building their underground Acme Anti-Flare shelters from www... XXXX me a solar flare is coming quick run as fast as you Xxxxxxxx can.com lol.

Certainly new discoveries are made and paradigms shift but this is not the case here at the moment. It would be foolish not to think new discoveries replace older ones and even more foolish for particular individuals to remark that I am not aware of this bless them.

The evidence to link solar flares to earthquakes is coincidental on an infrequent basis and inconclusive and that's why the there is no evidence for it because it is unreliable and not significant enough

Earthquakes happen all the time without them. The pseudo scientists like to take this poor data and base grand theories around them claiming this that and the other. Like the world ending this year because of freak space weather that is predicted. It sells books but it is complete horse XXXX as you know. That is why mainstream science can be our friend and not our enemy and there is more often than not no reason to mistrust its findings, specifically when there is little else to offer in its stead.

You need to understand this is nothing personal Tom which is why I have left assumptions about your nature out of it and focused on the issue and the lack of evidence surrounding it.

In the meantime I would recommend all watching this simple video on what does cause geological (non atmospheric) activity rather than what does not cause it.

http://www.learner.org/resources/series78.html

This series shows the physical processes and human activities that shape our planet. From earthquakes and volcanoes to the creation of sea-floor crusts and shifting river courses, Earth Revealed offers stunning visuals that explain plate tectonics and other geologic concepts and principles. Follow geologists in the field as they explore the primal forces of the Earth. This series can also be used as a resource for teacher professional development.

John Telfer outlines his project exploring the interrelationship of cymatic phenomena and music.

Floyd wrote:

Mudra, perhaps we shouldnt always operate from the belief that some have saying that spirit is behind matter.